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Log from 2006-09-15:
--- Day changed Fri Sep 15 2006
00:01 <spidey> heh
00:01 <spidey> i love recruiting clan members by personality and not skill =D
00:02 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
00:12 <Vanhayes> hello ghableska 
00:12 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
00:13 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
00:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (14 players) || ~*Speeders*~ Classic Server (9 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (8 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag (7 players) || Capture The Flag Sty (7 players) || 135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix-- (7 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (7 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (5 players) || (1 more message)
00:13 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
00:13 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 67 hours 16 minutes ago.
00:13 <Vanhayes> #more
00:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: .Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas|.High-rubber|TiP-Clan.De.ms (4 players) || Norm's Place (4 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (2 players) || Test Low-Ping Euro Armaserver (0 players) || The Lobster Cage (0 players) || armagetron.nixda.net (Original) (0 players)
00:13 <ghableska> hmm
00:13 <ghableska> still not working
00:13 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
00:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 2 hours 9 minutes ago.
00:14 <Vanhayes> heh
00:14 <ghableska> O_o
00:14 <ghableska> huh
00:14 <Vanhayes> when was the last time you played?
00:14 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ica
00:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Lackadaisical has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 24 hours 5 minutes ago.
00:14 <Vanhayes> ha
00:14 <Vanhayes> #lastseen icar
00:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Icarus has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 24 hours 50 minutes ago.
00:14 <Vanhayes> hmm some servers are still not showing up
00:14 <ghableska> I was on strawberry fields
00:15 <Vanhayes> ya I was on both CTF sty ans CT CTF as icarus about an hour ago
00:16 <ghableska> #lasteen ghableska
00:17 <ghableska> uh
00:17 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
00:17 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 67 hours 19 minutes ago.
00:17 <ghableska> hmm
00:17 <ghableska> I'm on there now
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02:10 <ghableska> hi
02:10 <Luke-Jr> hi
02:12 <madmax|pt> hi
02:14 <Luke-Jr> madmax|pt: you set fortress?
02:18 <madmax|pt> kind of
02:18 <madmax|pt> dunno how i left it when i left
02:19 <Luke-Jr> how far down the server list is it when you sort by ping?
02:19 <madmax|pt> top, second...
02:20 <Luke-Jr> hm
02:20 <Luke-Jr> really?
02:20 <madmax|pt> something like that
02:21 <madmax|pt> not always (chaos theory)
02:21 <madmax|pt> but it stays on the topside...
02:22 <Luke-Jr> I'm surprised, a bit
02:22 <Luke-Jr> the US host has lower pings for me and it's usually only top 10ish
02:23 <Luke-Jr> I think
02:23 <madmax|pt> well, that's without players too
02:23 <Luke-Jr> sorted by ping ignores players...
02:24 <madmax|pt> i mean, more players > higher ping ?
02:24 <Luke-Jr> not usually
02:24 <Luke-Jr> unless you run out of bandwidth
02:24 <madmax|pt> hmm
02:24 <madmax|pt> ok 
02:24 <madmax|pt> btw, i loaded some fortress map file but... erm...
02:24 <madmax|pt> zones are off
02:24 <madmax|pt> well, they are there, but don't work
02:25  * Luke-Jr blames ph
02:25 <Luke-Jr> it's trunk
02:25 <madmax|pt> i loaded some included... Z-Man/fortress/whatever
02:25 <madmax|pt> that should work?
02:25 <Luke-Jr> include examples/cvs_test/fortress_complete.cfg
02:25 <Luke-Jr> is what I'd do
02:26 <madmax|pt> oh
02:26  * madmax|pt notes he hasn't configured a server in the past
02:26 <madmax|pt> well, just some minor things
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02:49 <ghableska> hi
02:52 <madmax|pt> good night
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02:57 <spidey> Luke-Jr, ping
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03:00 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_work: ...
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03:15  * spidey bitch slaps todd
03:15  * ghableska pokes spidey
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04:45 <spidey> Luke-Jr, ping
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04:52 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: ...
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_work: ...
04:55 <spidey> Luke-Jr, you might not wanna offer soldat hosting
04:55 <spidey> my win2k3 vps says i've already used a gig of bandwith
04:55 <spidey> lol
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05:25 <spidey> oi
05:25 <groundpig> nk
05:27 <spidey> =)
05:47 <spidey> dude wtf
05:47 <spidey> i think i got banned from the warrock servers
05:51 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:52 <spidey> i was playing right
05:52 <spidey> had 12 kills 7 deaths
05:53 <spidey> i was running around looking for a tank, then everything froze, so then i see 'server terminated your connection' now i can't even sign in =(
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06:26 <Your_mom_arma> #q
06:26 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:22 AM, March 27, 2006)
06:36 <Your_mom_arma> master server 4 is giving me a dns error
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06:39 <DrJoeTron> ping
06:39 <Your_mom_arma> pong
06:39 <DrJoeTron> i just watched the best martial arts movie ever
06:40 <DrJoeTron> a man throws an elephant
06:40 <DrJoeTron> 40 people are knee'd
06:40 <DrJoeTron> 40
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07:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm 3, I think
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, dns error would be tank's problem, but he's moving right now
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> tanks master 4?
07:12 <Your_mom_arma> i thought wrtlprnft was 3
07:13 <wrtlprnft> i'm 3
07:14 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you're master 2
07:14 <wrtlprnft> z-man is number 1
07:14 <wrtlprnft> iF is number 4
07:14 <wrtlprnft> i dunno about guru3_ 
07:14 <wrtlprnft> number 5 doesn't exist
07:15 <wrtlprnft> neither does number 0
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07:45 <anjori_> Lucifer_arma?
07:57 <spidey> why would they put a 4th movie into production before the 3rd is done
07:57 <spidey> that seems retarded
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> anjori?
08:06 <Your_mom_arma> Your_mom_arma?
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08:07 <anjori_> tried installing 0.5.1a on this box:
08:07 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i'll give you a dollar to do my homework
08:07 <spidey> +50cents if you get a A+
08:08 <anjori_> configure and make worked, but
08:08 <anjori_> anjori@nesk:~/src/dsac-0.5.1$ ./dsac
08:08 <anjori_> /home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1
08:08 <anjori_> Traceback (most recent call last):
08:08 <anjori_>   File "./dsac", line 76, in ?
08:08 <anjori_>     app = mainqt.dsacApp(sys.argv)
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsacgui/mainqt.py", line 55, in __init__
08:08 <anjori_>     self.mainwin = MainFrame(None)
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsacgui/mainqt.py", line 109, in __init__
08:08 <anjori_>     self.tray = SystrayIcon(pm, self)
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsacgui/systemtray.py", line 73, in __init__
08:08 <anjori_>     iscreen = XScreenNumberOfScreen(XDefaultScreenOfDisplay(dpy))
08:08 <anjori_> ctypes.ArgumentError: argument 1: exceptions.TypeError: wrong type
08:08 <anjori_> Exception in thread DSAC timer thread:
08:08 <anjori_> Traceback (most recent call last):
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/threading.py", line 442, in __bootstrap
08:08 <anjori_>     self.run()
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> ?  that's crazy
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsac/dsTimer.py", line 51, in run
08:08 <anjori_>     self.Notify()
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsac/dsTimer.py", line 72, in Notify
08:08 <anjori_>     self._notify_object.Timer(now)
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 183, in Timer
08:08 <anjori_>     a.ExecuteIfTimeArg(now)
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 61, in ExecuteIfTimeArg
08:08 <anjori_>     self.Execute(arg)
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 57, in Execute
08:08 <anjori_>     self.callback(arg)
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 220, in AlarmComputation
08:08 <anjori_>     self.TimeSignal(timeNowString, "No Alarms Left!")
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> #g 45/1.50
08:08 <anjori_> NameError: global name 'timeNowString' is not defined
08:08 <anjori_>                                                                     
08:08 <anjori_> why it worked on the other machine but not this, i dont know
08:08 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 45 / 1.50 = 30
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> Spidey: you just bought yourself 30 seconds, I think
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> umm, gonna have to talk about this in a bit
08:09 <anjori_> no problem
08:09 <spidey> lol
08:09 <spidey> it's only 90 pages of science
08:09 <spidey> =p
08:10 <spidey> 90 pages of science and 4 pages of history 
08:10 <spidey> s/4/40
08:11 <spidey> gotta have done by the end of the month O.o
08:12 <spidey> i don't see how i downloaded movies on dialup
08:13 <spidey> it must have taken me 2 days a movie
08:13 <spidey> atleast
08:13 <spidey> 36hours to download 717mb at 4kb/s
08:14 <spidey> #night
08:14 <armabot> Good night spidey!
08:15 <spidey> actually wait
08:15 <spidey> deja_vu_, deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ 
08:15 <spidey> ok now #night
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08:49 <Lucifer_arma> ok back
08:50 <anjori> will freenode get pissy if i have to nicks signed on from the same ip?
08:50 <anjori> *two
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> aha, yu're back
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> what system is it on?
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: ^^^^
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: to answer your question, no they won't, I do it every day
09:24 <anjori> okay. i got disconnected from bother when i did it earlier, so i was wondering. probably just a fluke
09:24 <anjori> it's on kubuntu 6.06. am going to go get on that machine
09:24 <anjori> *from both
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09:26 <anjori_> meep meep
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> ok, what version of python, ctypes, and x.org?
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> if you just go to a terminal and type "python", you'll get a python session and the first output tells you the python version
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> then do this:
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> >>> import ctypes
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> >>> ctypes.__version__
09:28 <anjori_> python 2.4.3  ctypes 0.9.8
09:29 <anjori_> xorg 7.0.0
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09:31 <Lucifer_arma> any idea what version of ctypes and xorg on the other machine?
09:33 <anjori> 2.3.5  ctypes   xorg 6.8.2
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> why would this new kubuntu have an older version of ctypes than your mepis box?
09:37 <anjori_> cause the ubuntu repos are static for the 6-month release cycle.  mepis uses debian testing, which is constantly updated and i just installed ctypes on mepis yesterday when you mentioned it
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'm inclined to blame ctypes.  :(
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> here's what's happening:
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> while trying to create the systray icon in the main program thread, it fails with the first exception (type error to a function called via ctypes)
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> that causes initialization to stop because the main program thread threw an exception
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> the timer's already started though, so it keeps running thinking nothing bad has happened
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> when it calls stuff in the first thread that's supposed to be setup, it throws an exception.  So the second exception is caused directly by the first.
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> how badly do you need a systray icon?
09:41  * Lucifer_arma notes that getting a systray icon was one of his primary goals with this rewrite :/
09:42 <anjori_> well, on here, it's not that big of a deal. i was just trying to install it so i could test out autostart methods
09:42 <anjori_> (i'm running gnome right now)
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhhhh
09:44 <anjori_> can ctypes be compiled easily? i could also try upgrading it that way.  i also have dapper-backports enabled, but i take it that's not considered a package of priority.
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I installed it from gentoo's repository
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> and it's going to be standard in python 2.5, so whenever python 2.5 hits mainstream distributions, the question magically goes away
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, not completely.  otoh, the guy that made it makes good python extensions, so it shouldn't be too tricky
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> let me see if I can google up a package for you, though
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/edgy/python/python-ctypes
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> looks like it depends on python 2.5
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> odd, that
09:47 <anjori_> shitty deal
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's only for edgy, which I guess is the one that comes after dapper
09:47 <anjori_> yep
09:48 <anjori_> december, i think
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> http://packages.debian.org/testing/python/python-ctypes   <--- debian's package
09:49  * Lucifer_arma wonders if debian's package would work
09:49 <anjori_> if it'll work with python 2.4.3
09:50 <anjori_> i guess there's only one way to find out..
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=71702&package_id=71318&release_id=437070  <--- the source distribution if that fails
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> ok, there's definitely some c code, but there's no way python would be taking it into their standard distribution if it had serious compile problems
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> reading changelogs for ctypes it looks like there was significant rewriting that happened between the version you have and the one that came next
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> and the rewriting just happens to impact the function call that's failling here
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> all signs point at ctypes, heh
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> and here I thought that would be easier to deal with than python-xlib
09:54 <anjori_> anjori@nesk:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -i python-ctypes_0.9.9.6-1_i386.deb
09:54 <anjori_> Password:
09:54 <anjori_> dpkg: considering removing python2.4-ctypes in favour of python-ctypes ...
09:54 <anjori_> dpkg: yes, will remove python2.4-ctypes in favour of python-ctypes.
09:54 <anjori_> (Reading database ... 109153 files and directories currently installed.)
09:54 <anjori_> Preparing to replace python-ctypes 0.9.6+cvs20051031-1 (using python-ctypes_0.9.9.6-1_i386.deb) ...
09:54 <anjori_> Unpacking replacement python-ctypes ...
09:54 <anjori_> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python-ctypes:
09:54 <anjori_>  python-ctypes depends on python-central (>= 0.5); however:
09:54 <anjori_>   Package python-central is not installed.
09:54 <anjori_> dpkg: error processing python-ctypes (--install):
09:54 <anjori_>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
09:54 <anjori_> Errors were encountered while processing:
09:54 <anjori_>  python-ctypes
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> that's gonne be some weird thing about how debian organizes its packages vs how ubuntu organizes them
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> to install from source you're going to need -dev packages for xlib and python
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> probably no other packages
09:55 <anjori_> should i install python-central and try again? or maybe try to force an install?
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> or you can try to override the dependency check
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, you know you've got the dependencies satisfied, it's only a question of whether or not it was built with the right compiler, and since it's all c code, you shouldn't run into that problem relaly
09:57 <anjori_> and that the newer version requires a new dependancy in python-central
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> python-central is probably a superfluous dependency, but I could be wrong.  I just can't see an extension module needing something like that.
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> you could try from source.  :)
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> it's the 1.0.0 version
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> you probably don't even need the xlib-dev package, now that I think about it, just the python-devl package
09:59 <anjori_> avoid source at all costs :P  but if force doesn't work, ill try that
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> ko
10:01 <anjori_> hmm, i'm not seeing a flag to skip dependancy checking in dpkg. i just realized it was apt-get that had that
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10:04 <Lucifer_arma> --force-things | --no-force-things | --refuse-things
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> er
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10:05 <anjori_> meh. i got disconnected on both names again
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> either --force-depends or --refuse-depends
10:06  * Lucifer_arma wants to know why "dpkg manpage" on google doesn't bring the manpage as the first search result
10:07 <anjori_> do a google search for "search"
10:07  * Lucifer_arma is loving the conversation on holing
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> haha
10:07 <anjori_> heh
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> why do these holing conversations always boil down to "you're not playing fair, na na na" and "you suck if you can't deal with holes"?
10:09 <anjori_> i had actually avoided that thread when it was initially created as there will never be any consensus and people just don't get it
10:09 <anjori_> no sense wasting my breath
10:09 <anjori_> but i got sucked in anyway
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  when people whine I just feel like beating them over the head with a pointy stick
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> a high school kid that's getting dual credit in my calc class whined that the sub gave too much homework
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> then he got pissed when I said "wa wa, too much homework, wa wa"
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> he started talking to somebody else before he got to hear my "just do however much homework you need, teachers here grade on weight anyway"
10:11 <anjori_> i'd probably be whining too if i tried to wrap my head around calc :P
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> awww, it's not that hard.  You just need good visualization skills.
10:12 <anjori_> i'm generally good with language and writing, but have never had that math gene
10:12 <deja_vu_> spidey: 
10:13 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, I try to look at shit from other people's points of view, I'm just gonna have to say I think I'm incapable of seeing it
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> you know, my brain just isn't wired for me to imagine a world where math is terribly difficult.  Agree to disagree, that sort of thing.  ;)
10:14 <anjori_> touche.
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> now, learning math at the pace they feed it to you in college *is* hard
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I flunked algebra the first 2 times I took it
10:16 <anjori_> you?
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> I just didn't get it
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> yep
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> 7th grade, then again in 9th grade
10:17 <anjori_> oh, shit. now it wont let me remove the broken ctypes
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> took the remedial version of algebra II, refusing to retake algebra 1.  Teacher turned me around, showed me how easy it really was.
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> the one you forced is broken?
10:17 <anjori_> yep
10:17 <anjori_> and i cant get rid of it
10:18 <anjori_> E: python-ctypes: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/python/python2.4-ctypes  <-- link to package you had before
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> you could try forcing that one, and if it works, try removing it then
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't want to try all tht and are willing to just let it be broken for now, building ffrom source should just overwrite the installed version
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> a trick I learned awhile back that seems to apply to every distribution provided they don't rearrange the package is to install the distribution's package,
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10:20 <Lucifer_arma> then build the program's source distribution
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> er, how much of that did you get?
10:20 <anjori_> iE: /var/cache/apt/archives/python-ctypes_0.9.6+cvs20051031-1_all.deb: there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up
10:20 <anjori_> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-ctypes_0.9.6+cvs20051031-1_i386.deb: conflicting packages - not installing python2.4-ctypes
10:21 <anjori_> after trying the force version option in synaptic as a downgrade to ubuntu's version
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> --refuse-conflicts
10:21 <anjori_> and i got all of that. that was my other computer finally reconnecting. though i think i'm gonna disconnect it for now, otherwise i seem to keep getting disconnected on both
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10:22 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if you do the trick I mentioned, you wind up with the exact version you want, and it's still managed by the distribution's package management app :)
10:23 <anjori_> ah, i didnt know ubuntu has a web frontend for their repos. let's see if it works
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> it is preferable to get the source package for a newer version and try building it, but that's usually more work
10:26 <anjori_> anjori@nesk:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -i --refuse-conflicts python2.4-ctypes_0.9.6+cvs20051031-1_i386.deb
10:26 <anjori_> Password:
10:26 <anjori_> dpkg: regarding python2.4-ctypes_0.9.6+cvs20051031-1_i386.deb containing python2.4-ctypes:
10:26 <anjori_>  python-ctypes conflicts with python2.4-ctypes
10:26 <anjori_>   python2.4-ctypes (version 0.9.6+cvs20051031-1) is to be installed.
10:26 <anjori_> dpkg: error processing python2.4-ctypes_0.9.6+cvs20051031-1_i386.deb (--install):
10:26 <anjori_>  conflicting packages - not installing python2.4-ctypes
10:26 <anjori_> Errors were encountered while processing:
10:26 <anjori_>  python2.4-ctypes_0.9.6+cvs20051031-1_i386.deb
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> try --force-conflicts
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> the manpage isn't very clear on which one does what, they expect you to have esp
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> Guy:   I may be dating a black girl  <--- what, he's not sure he's dating her?  heh
10:30 <anjori_> python 2.4-ctypes is installed again, but synaptic still says i have a broken package on my system, being python-ctypes. i think it got fucked when debian's actual package was there, whereas i believe ubuntu also had python-ctypes but it was a metapackage for the version of ctypes that conforms with the version of python i have installed
10:31 <anjori_> if my explanation of that didn't completely suck
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's fine, I'm trying to figure out ramifications if any
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> all's I'm coming up with is that the only problem you might have is if you install a package that depends on ctypes
10:32 <anjori_> and a nag every time i run synaptic :P
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> there's a way to fix it, but I don't have any idea what it is
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> I just remember doing it once and being happy with it
10:34 <anjori_> so, that's why they say it's not a good idea to mix packages from various debian distros
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, when I was running kubuntu people kept telling me to hook it up to debian's repo
10:35 <anjori_> oh, god no. bad idea
10:35 <anjori_> generally, it's okay, but you can run into problems
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> apparently so.  I never actually did it, I only ran into problems when I did stupid shit with kubuntu packages
10:36 <anjori_> simply on naming conventions, as seen tonight. ubuntu uses different meta packages and such
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> sooo, build from source now?
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=71702&package_id=71318&release_id=437070  <--- the source distribution if that fails
10:37 <anjori_> yeah. that stuck package is just annoying me
10:37 <anjori_> wait, source distribution if building from source fails?
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> no, I just hit up-arrow to find the link
10:38 <anjori_> ah
10:38 <anjori_> yeah, i saved that earlier. but thanks
10:39 <anjori_> no configure script?
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> here's what you do:
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> python setup.py build
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> sudo python setup.py install
10:40 <anjori_> it ran without nagging me for any python-dev files or anything. i wonder if i already have it installed
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> well, you should have seen gcc run
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> did you?
10:42 <anjori_> i guess...? heh
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> you'd see lines like "gcc -o asdf.o -c -f --winstall -wall " etc
10:44 <anjori_> gcc -pthread and such
10:44 <anjori_> anyway, yeah, i do have python-2.4-dev installed
10:45 <anjori_> >>> ctypes.__version__
10:45 <anjori_> '1.0.0'
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> yay, now try the alarm clock again and cross your fingers :)
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> because, you know, I could have been wrong to blame ctypes
10:46 <anjori_> knowing that i cant get rid of the broken python-ctypes package will forever annoy me, though, until fixed
10:47 <anjori_> should i have removed python2.4-ctypes before building the newer one?
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> can't see that it matters much.  Just remember that if you remove it you'll need to rebuild from source
10:48 <anjori_> heh. i hit apply to do so before reading that
10:49 <anjori_> oh well, at least it was easy and fast to build
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> haha
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> I looked through the source tarball and it's a pretty small module
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> all it does is bridge python and any arbitrary c library
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> pretty neat, really
10:49 <anjori_> it doesnt matter, anyway. wont let me remove that package eitehr :-/
10:51 <anjori_> well, your alarm clock runs at least
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> yay!
10:51 <anjori_> does that affect releasing it before python 2.5 is out?
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't believe it was possible, but now I know someone who spells worse than spidey
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, it means I'll put up a warning that the minimum version of ctypes known to work is or whatever it is I have here
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> 0.9.6 is known not to work, etc.
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> we're talking about a program that's versioned 0.5.1, people should expect some, err, sticky stuff at this point
10:53 <anjori_> yay. my frustrations turned into something semi-positive, at least.
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> but it will encourage me to get cx_Freeze working to build a binary release that doesn't depend on python
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, one of the hardest parts of software development is figuring out minimum versions of stuff
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> now I know that python 2.3 works, which is good, and the stuff about ctypes.  This is more than I knew about it before :)
10:54 <anjori_> mentioning cx_Freeze: are you referring to the concept of frozen binaries?
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  I think.  What's a frozen binary?  heh.
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> it's basically a program that wraps your python program into a self-executing binary
10:55 <anjori_> that's one of the first things that book mentioned could be done. hold on.
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> so the distribution of that program only depends on glibc when it's all said and done
10:55 <anjori_> yeah, it wraps the interpreting with it so you dont need to install separately
10:55 <anjori_> *interpreter
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  I built a test, but it failed to load its own libraries
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> when I'm ready with a windows version I'll use py2exe to do the same thing there
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> and then there's py2app for mac os x
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> man, some people are just fucked up
11:00 <anjori_> what now?
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> my buddy was formerly married to this woman that would literally beat him up.  I mean, I hd to pry her off of him!
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> but he was a sucker and wouldn't leave her
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> so she finally left him, after they finally managed to have 2 kids.  Now she's taking him to court over his "anger problem".
11:01 <anjori_> and of course she'll win.
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> He's like the most laid back kindest mutherfucker you'll ever meet.  I've *seen* him give some stranger the shirt off his back because it was cold out and the guy was homeless!
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> if she wins it'll only be because she married a guy that could afford a better lawyer than my buddy could get.
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> there are police reports that show that she was beating up on him...
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> hell, I'll go in there and tell them what I've seen
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm an eyewitness to some of this so-called anger problem
11:09 <anjori_> dsac seems to require a working directory, am i correct? and would that effect autostarting? (i.e. i couldnt just create a sym link to the binary)
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> shouldn't matter, it uses the complete path given to it by the shell to find itself
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> and, er, maybe I need to normalize it
11:10 <anjori_> also, have you verified that placing a sym link in .Autostart works for kde? a post i read mentioned creating a .desktop in the autostart directory, which would also allow me to specify a working directory for the app
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> yes, creating a symlink works, tried it on my server with my wife's account
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> had to create a shell script for my account because my home directory is synced from laptop->server
11:13 <anjori_> yeah, i read that int he readme, but dont quite understand it. what does creating a sh script do? if the app is installed to /usr/local, you'd still need a copy on each machine
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> it allows me to install it to anywhere in my path
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> if I ran different distributions, that could matter
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> it's mainly because I trust the sync program to sync text files more than I trust it to sync symlinks.  What if it instead synced the file that was linked instead of the link itself?
11:15 <anjori_> so the only purpose is that it solves not hardcoding the path in the event that it were installed different places? 
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, svn finds the real path now, so if the symlink is a problem now it should go away
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> in the long run I want it to use a .desktop file, though
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh, last night I rearranged the code so I can start working on a pyqt4 gui, but now I'm half considering writing an ncurses gui instead
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, no, that's only part of the purpose.  The main thing is how much I trust my sync program (I use unison)
11:21 <anjori_> yeah, i read that after i asked
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> ok, one more feature to add to the "I'm going to bed" button: immediately turn on the screensaver
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder if I can trigger the power-down on the monitor
11:22 <anjori_> what would be the difficulty in creating a .desktop file instead of symlinks now? and do all WMs recognize it, or just kde?
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> better check freedesktop.org for that information, mostly
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> the file itself is pretty straightforward, and for menu items both gnome and kde understand it
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> some of the others don't, though.
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> you can grab one of the old releases of pyalarm to get a desktop file that's already mostly setup, I think
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> basically, for kde, it works like this:
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> the .desktop file goes in a place where both gnome and kde are supposed to read it to generate their menus
11:25 <anjori_> i've looked at them before, just dont know all there is to know
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> it contains a flag in it to enable/disable it for either of them
11:25 <anjori_> do .desktop files for menu entries and something like autostart differ?
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to autostart in kde, you copy that file from there into the autostart directory and it should just work
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> if you need special startup parameters that differ from clicking on the menu entry, you need a special file for autostart purposes
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> so the information you want is whether or not GNOME will let you use a .desktop file for autostart purposes, and if so, how?
11:27 <anjori_> ah, okay
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> now, for generating menus there are additional difficulties.  While GNOME and KDE are supposed to read the driectory, some distrbutions disable it so they can keep generating menus the old way
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> the old way is basically "every distribution does something different and it's a fucking pain"
11:27 <anjori_> yeah. even debian has it's own "menu" pacakge which will generate it's own, messy, menus
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> I intend to support the freedesktop.org spec and if someone wants to make a distro-specific package they can :)
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> but for autostart purposes, distributions leave that alone, so there's no reason I can't add code to deal with it for at least KDE and GNOME
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> I do need to rearrange how shit gets setup, though.  On my laptop the systray icon is being created before the systray itself exists, so it's not getting place right.  :/
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> arma at least partially supports the freedesktop.org spec, so on some kind distributions if you isntall it from source you get a menu item.  It's pretty neat.
11:30  * Lucifer_arma put that little bugger into arma :)
11:31 <anjori_> well, for the readme, i was thinking either a) if the majority of WMs will read them, create a .desktop and tell where to place it for the specific WM. or b) the previous plan of just telling where to create a symlink to the binary
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't know what others do.  I don't know how gnome does it under the hood, I only know what was on that wiki page you linked, which says there's a nice gui for it
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> the wiki page seemed to indicate that other wms differ drastically in how they handle it
11:32 <anjori_> i've read about and looked at desktop entries before, and what menu categories exist that an app can be placed into on gnome and kde. ive just seen .desktops used for different purposes, so i wasnt sure
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, the wiki page didn't go into how any wm actually does it.  I don't think it mentioned using the .desktop file for KDE at all, but I could just be misremembering
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> here's yet another use.  Find ~/Desktop and put a .desktop file in there :)
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> you get an icon on your desktop (if you haven't disabled them, like I have)
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> they're a generic object that describes an application and how to start it and represent it on the desktop in any location.  By itself a .desktop file doesn't mean much,
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> it needs two pieces of information.  What's in the file, and where the file itself is located.  Those two determine what it does at any given point in time.
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> at least, that's what I've concluded.  It's not like there's any canonical guide to desktop files.  :/
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11:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'll tell you what, though.  I prefer these .desktop files and their confusion over the windows registry.
11:36 <anjori_> we need more consistency among desktops for continued adoption
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> can you just imagine thousands of GNOME developers swallowing their pride and dopting the .desktop file that was invented by KDE?  :)
11:37 <anjori_> heh. not a chance
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, they did it!  ;)  Give 'em some credit, man....
11:37 <anjori_> though i remember reading somethign about them trying to use common libraries to make things easier for developers
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> they're working on it.  I think we application developers need to help, though.  THis whole "I use KDE so that's all I support" business has to stop.
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's fine if you use KDE's apis too, but if you don't?  Support more!
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> it's not that hard, really.  It's tedious, so people don't want to do it, but like for arma we've got no good reason not to other than most arma developers that use linux use kde,
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> so we don't have any actual coders that use gnome
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> I will gladly get some other wm's installed so I can test in them, I just don't want to get knocked off-task for the windows version by it,
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> because I consider a windows version more important right now in my own set of priorities
11:40 <anjori_> well, if you're shooting for a larger audience, yeah
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> because a part of my needs for this program involves the fact that the target user is more than likely a windows user anyway :)
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd like to get a set of python modules that abstract some of the desktops in linux and include in that abstraction windows (and hopefully mac eventually)
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a little disappointed that the pyqt4 gui I've started doesn't load my kde theme.  :(  That means pyqt3 will be the default gui for linux :)
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> freedesktop.org offers a python module that gives a lot of useful things, but it doesn't give the things I need.  :(
11:43 <anjori_> when launching the app from a shell and then clicking on the app's window, it produces this:
11:43 <anjori_> anjori@nesk:~$ dsac
11:43 <anjori_> /usr/local/bin
11:43 <anjori_> Exception in thread DSAC timer thread:
11:43 <anjori_> Traceback (most recent call last):
11:43 <anjori_>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/threading.py", line 442, in __bootstrap
11:43 <anjori_>     self.run()
11:43 <anjori_>   File "/usr/local/lib/libdsac/dsTimer.py", line 51, in run
11:43 <anjori_>     self.Notify()
11:43 <anjori_>   File "/usr/local/lib/libdsac/dsTimer.py", line 72, in Notify
11:43 <anjori_>     self._notify_object.Timer(now)
11:43 <anjori_>   File "/usr/local/lib/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 183, in Timer
11:43 <anjori_>     a.ExecuteIfTimeArg(now)
11:43 <anjori_>   File "/usr/local/lib/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 61, in ExecuteIfTimeArg
11:43 <anjori_>     self.Execute(arg)
11:43 <anjori_>   File "/usr/local/lib/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 57, in Execute
11:43 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: wiki down…
11:43 <anjori_>     self.callback(arg)
11:43 <anjori_>   File "/usr/local/lib/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 220, in AlarmComputation
11:44 <anjori_>     self.TimeSignal(timeNowString, "No Alarms Left!")
11:44 <anjori_> NameError: global name 'timeNowString' is not defined
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> up now
11:44 <wrtlprnft> ty
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> np
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> I think it was a broken cronjob
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's weird
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> how fast is your processor and stuff?
11:47 <anjori_> it's a dated athlon 1333
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> did you change the timer interval setting at all?
11:48 <anjori_> that's another thing i should learn about. ive always been into software and interested in writing it and all that, but i've avoided learning much at all about the hardware side.
11:48 <anjori_> nope. running on a default install. nothing changed
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> create an alarm, then close and restart
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> did you grab the svn trunk by any chance?  Or re you still running 0.5.1?
11:51 <anjori_> no output that time (after creating an alarm)
11:51 <anjori_> 0.5.1
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> that time you get a timer complete with the current time in the status bar?
11:52 <anjori_> mm, it came back as soon as i deleted the alarm. before restarting it
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, looks like I borked it.  heh
11:55 <anjori_> also, if i create or delete an alarm and then try closing the app by clicking the X, the shell hangs and changes aren't saved.  only when i go file -> exit does it close properly and save changes.
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> here's what you do to fix it, I'm committing a fix to 0.5.1 right now, but since nobody's downloaded it besides you, I won't worry about it and I"ll try to get a fix posted in the next few days
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> that's by design, it behaves like a systray app
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> right-click on the systray icon and pick "quit"
11:56 <anjori_> oh, duh. i'm a moron.
11:56 <anjori_> i'm on gnome, and the sys tray bar is at the top so i didnt even realize it was still open like i would on kde
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> :)
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> here's the fix:
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> make line 220 in dsMain.py read like this:  (it's in libdsac)
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> self.TimeSignal(now.strftime("	:%M: %p"), "No Alarms Left!")
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> er
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully your irc client didn't just mangle that
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> now.strftime(stuff that gets mangled)  <-- replace timeNowString with this, but copy it from line 218
12:01 <anjori_> yep, xchat did. :%M: [then a box with 0013 in it] %p
12:06 <anjori_> so just duplicate line 218, then?
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> no, just that one part.  Line 220 is what it does if there aren't any alarms found at all, which is what happens when there aren't any created
12:10 <anjori_> i'm missing something. replacing the contents in parenthesis on line 220 with that on 118 would make the lines the same
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> only the part that says "now.strftime( )".  not the part after the comma
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> sorry for the pause there, I found an autostart spec on freedesktop.org's site
12:18 <anjori_> so, it'll be the same up until "No Alarms Left!", right?
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> right
12:19 <anjori_> i assume i have to recompile now?
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12:22 <Lucifer_arma> nah, just run it
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> python automatically recompiles itself :)
12:23 <anjori_> heh, already did. but it works now
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> you only have to do "make" again after you change configure or change one of the designer/*.ui files
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-0.5.html
12:24 <anjori_> oh. i didnt realize dsMain.py was installed outside of the directory i initially built it in. so i altered the one in my home directory and recompiled it and did make install to change the /usr/local
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> heh, hmmmm
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> ok, looks like what you really want to do right now is find out if GNOME supports the freedesktop autostart spec
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> it partially supports it at least, for system-installed part of the spec
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.tribulaciones.org/blog/2006/Apr/09/?flav=html
12:29 <anjori_> it installs in /etc?
12:30  * anjori_ goes to read the doc
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> if I'm reading this correctly, we put the .desktop file in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/autostart, which defaults to ~/.config/autostart if no $XDG_blah exists
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> and it should work for everyone
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> looks like I don't have a .desktop hanging around for pyalarm :/
12:34 <anjori_> anjori@nesk:~$ echo $XDG_CONFIG_HOME
12:34 <anjori_> i can create one
12:35 <anjori_> i'm sure i have a bookmark to a guide on it
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> sure.  :)  I *think* I install the icons to the right place, but you might doublecheck that
12:35 <anjori_> mm, that didnt show the extra line. anyway, that variable is empty for me
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, mine's empty too, but ~/.config exists
12:36 <anjori_> but how would it being under the user's home dir make it available to everyone?
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't, it makes it available only to that user
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> basically, do what's in /etc, and let what's in the user's home directory trump /etc
12:36 <anjori_> Lucifer_arma> and it should work for everyone
12:36 <anjori_> you mean that everyone should be able to do it?
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> oh, I meant "everyone in the world", not "everyone on the computer"  :)
12:37 <anjori_> ah
12:37 <anjori_> and yeah, /etc would require permissions
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> so we could have a little checkbox in preferences that says "Autostart this thing", and it'll install the .desktop file in the user's home dir
12:38 <anjori_> ah, so you are going to build it in?
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> then in Linux, we add another checkbox that says "Autostart for everyone (root permissions required)"
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, in the long run yes, absolutely
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> but supporting freedesktop's standard here may not be enough.  Testing needs to be done to see which desktops we can determine will actually support it
12:39 <anjori_> should i still create directions for the README for the time being? and for other WM, just link to the binary?
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> then find out what the others require and stuff
12:39 <anjori_> right
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, definitely.  Keep going, it'll probably be several months before the code appears to do it, I'm focused on the windows version right now for the most part.
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> get it all tested and stuff, we'll know what works where, and that'll be easy to code :)
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> it's like writing a paper, you do research and crap first, then you write the paper :)
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> and if you create a .desktop file, I'll toss it into svn so it'll at least be there.  Then the directions for the readme might read "try copyin this file or symlinkin it"
12:41  * Lucifer_arma checks his 'g' key.  ggggggggggggggggggggggg
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a grab one last smoke and then go to bed before I fall over
12:42 <anjori_> i should think about that soon, too. but now i want to look more into this :P
12:42 <anjori_> my body would only let me get about 4 hours of broken sleep yesterday
12:44 <anjori_> i believe kde also has a location to autostart for all users. i forget where, but that's easy enough to find out
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16:28 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu: http://himbeere.shacknet.nu/kram/cool_progs.txt ← I'm offended armagetronad isn't on there :P
16:36 <[dlh]> Hey wrtlprnft, can you grep your master logs for my server? I'm not seeing it on my list.
16:39 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: sec
16:40 <wrtlprnft> nothing o_O
16:40 <wrtlprnft> in 29MB, that is
16:40 <[dlh]> hmm, well I can connect to it fine.
16:41 <wrtlprnft> different IP?
16:41 <[dlh]> Yes, different IP
16:41 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i have 18 logins from that IP
16:42 <wrtlprnft> the one from /whois
16:43 <wrtlprnft> weird…
16:43 <luke-jr_work> deja_vu: Konqueror>Opera, KHexClock>KBinaryClock (which does *not* show the binary time)
16:44 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: Opera>Konqeror>IE>Opera :P
16:45 <luke-jr_work> ...
16:45 <wrtlprnft> x
16:45 <wrtlprnft> oops
16:45 <wrtlprnft> that x was an accident, don't interpret it
16:46 <luke-jr_work> nah
16:46 <luke-jr_work> it was quite clearly purposeful
17:00 <wrtlprnft> x
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17:57 <deja_vu> wrtlprnft: that's a very old list :P
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17:57 <deja_vu> luke-jr_work: opera rocks :P
18:01 <luke-jr_work> Konqueror rocks more
18:05 <wrtlprnft> pfft
18:07 <wrtlprnft> http://himbeere.shacknet.nu/kram/:p
18:07  * wrtlprnft wonders if guru3 would kill him if he paster that
18:08 <deja_vu> man banner ;)
18:08 <deja_vu> or /exec -o banner hello
18:08  * deja_vu hides
18:08 <wrtlprnft> haha
18:09 <wrtlprnft> /bin/sh: banner: command not found
18:09 <wrtlprnft> safe :P
18:09 <deja_vu> too bad :P
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18:20 <luke-jr_work> [16:15] [DCOP] Error: Could not find script "-o".
18:33 <wrtlprnft> get a real IRC client :P
18:41 <spidey> o.o
18:41 <spidey> omg
18:41 <spidey> luke-jr_work, 
18:41 <spidey> Luke-Jr, 
18:43 <deja_vu> spidey! :D
18:43 <spidey> it!
18:44 <deja_vu> o.O
18:44 <luke-jr_work> ...
18:45 <spidey> you don't want to host soldat servers
18:45 <spidey> heh
18:45 <luke-jr_work> you alfready said that
18:45 <spidey> i did?
18:45 <spidey> o.o
18:45 <luke-jr_work> yes
18:45 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=bandwidth
18:46 <spidey> hmm
18:46 <spidey> well that didn't work
18:46 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/bandwidth.php
18:48 <luke-jr_work> a broken image?
18:48 <spidey> ...
18:50 <luke-jr_work> ...
18:50 <spidey> oh waitanyways
18:50 <spidey> 2.23gb out and .35gb in... in just under 2 days =p
18:50 <luke-jr_work> ok
18:50 <luke-jr_work> and?
18:51 <spidey> that's alot =D
18:51 <luke-jr_work> you realize Arma would use up to 8 GB in one day with a constant 16 players?
18:51 <spidey> ...
18:52 <spidey> that's with 16
18:52 <spidey> this is with 10 and less
18:52 <luke-jr_work> it's also like 1/4 the bandwidth =p
18:54 <luke-jr_work> with the soldat #s you just said, if they were accurate enough, it would mean maybe 0.50 per slot =p
18:55 <luke-jr_work> but obviously there's lots of data you didn't say, which is why I setup hachi for you to test stuff ....
18:55 <spidey> they're accurate
18:55 <spidey> i dunno why hachi hasn't got any traffic, lol
18:55 <spidey> both the other servers are full
18:56 <luke-jr_work> can you get together a bunch of people to play on hachi at a planned time?
18:56 <luke-jr_work> and turn off bots
18:56 <spidey> possibly
18:57 <spidey> actually
18:57 <spidey> i don't think hachi is talking to the master server
18:58 <spidey> or it should have people in it
18:58 <spidey> hold on
19:00 <spidey> i used the wrong config
19:00 <spidey> lol
19:02  * luke-jr_work stabs spidey =p
19:02 <spidey> it's not working =p
19:03 <spidey> luke-jr_work, btw if you're replying you might wanna identify :p
19:04 <spidey> i sent the guys this bnc is hosted on a email with the details telling them to cancel the shell, they haven't yet o.o
20:18 <MaZuffeR> spidey: come kick some fuckers from the soldat server
20:18 <spidey> lol
20:18 <spidey> who?
20:18 <spidey> and which one
20:18 <MaZuffeR> decaying zombie2 i think
20:19 <MaZuffeR> he left already, got scared when i said i'll get an admin
20:19 <spidey> heh
20:20 <spidey> we need more mods
20:20 <spidey> :/
20:41 <spidey> that was easier than i thought
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22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what would it take to get messenger.hotmail.com down?
22:38 <spidey> ...
22:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anways
22:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> g'nite everyone
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> I think I found me puzzle game
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23:21 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: think you can solve this right after you wake up?  http://phil.freehackers.org/klotski/
23:25 <spidey> dude
23:26 <spidey> that's a old game
23:26 <spidey> and i hated it
23:26 <spidey> -_-
23:31 <anjori> oh, for a clock?
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23:31 <anjori> i dont even wanna try looking at it right now. i'm exhausted
23:32 <anjori> but the good news is i've done a tonne of reading and i think i have a .desktop entry now. there's a tool i downloaded that's supposed to validate it. if it passes, i'll move on to getting it to work in various environments
23:33 <anjori> Lucifer_arma ^
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> saw it.  Yeah, the puzzle game is for when the alarm goes off.  I went through a few puzzles and looked at the code and decided it would be a good game to use.  :)
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23:46 <anjori> (admittedly, i havent looked at it yet, but) after doing it a few times, wouldnt you then be able to do it after you've just woken up? gotta mix it up!
23:48 <anjori> hmm. the Encoding= key has apparently been deprecated since a couple specs ago (if i understood the docs correctly), but the validator bitched that i didnt have it
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> there's several loaders
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> er, maps
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> something like that :)
23:51 <anjori> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-0.9.6.html#deprecated-items
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23:52 <anjori> also, am i understanding this correctly?:  "Version	 Version of Desktop Entry Specification (While the version field is not required to be present, it should be in all newer implementations of the Desktop Entry Specification. If the version number is not present, a "pre-standard" desktop entry file is to be assumed)."
23:53 <anjori> Version= should be, for example, 0.9.6 and _not_ the actual app version, as i've seen most (including arma) do
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> so, Version=0.9.6  <--- the version of the desktop spec
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's how I'm reading it :)
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> we're either both right, or both wrong
23:53 <anjori> okay. that's what i have. but yeah, just about every other apps file i looked at uses the app version
23:58 <anjori> oh, and you need to have DSAC create a symlink in /usr/share/icons to /usr/local/share/dsac/icons/large/dsac.png for the icon to work

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