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Log from 2006-09-01:
--- Day changed Fri Sep 01 2006
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00:28 <DrJoeTron> well looks like taking the ram out has solved most of my problems
00:29 <DrJoeTron> 5 days and not one crash
00:34 <spidey> warrock?
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04:15 <DrJoeTron> heya
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> hihihihihihihihihihi  <--  My Son
04:16 <luke-jr_> ...
04:16 <luke-jr_> hihihihihihi <-- to your son
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> that was a quote, he's sleeping right now.  Him and his brother cuddled up together on the couch, it's really cute.
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04:19 <luke-jr_> your kids don't get a bed to sleep on?
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5304086.stm  <--- finally NASA does something smart
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> sure, my kids get a bed to sleep on
04:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/anthonybox.jpg
04:25 <GodTodd> was gonna say...no they don't they get boxes ;)
04:26 <luke-jr_> you mean sleep in
04:27 <GodTodd> actually...you sleep *on* a bed
04:30 <luke-jr_> not in that picture
04:32 <GodTodd> on a traditional bed you do
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07:06 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5304086.stm  <--- finally NASA does something smart
07:07 <luke-jr_> you already said that
07:07 <DrJoeTron> heh cool
07:07 <DrJoeTron> 2010 the space shuttle ends eh?
07:07 <DrJoeTron> seems right
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07:46 <Lucifer_arma> # Stalin reads his report to the Party Congress. Suddenly someone sneezes. "Who sneezed?" (Silence.) "First row! On your feet! Shoot them!" (Applause.) "Who sneezed?" (Silence.) "Second row! On your feet! Shoot them!" (Long, loud applause.) "Who sneezed?" (Silence.) ...A dejected voice in the back: "It was me" (Sobs.) Stalin leans forward: "Bless you, comrade!" 
07:47 <luke-jr_> ...
07:47 <luke-jr_> was there a point to that?
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> it was funnier than hell?
07:54 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'd like to learn Russian now.  Apparently Russian jokes are funnier in Russian.  Who'da thunk?
07:54 <luke-jr_> ...
07:55 <luke-jr_> #mpd ?
08:00 <luke-jr_> this is fun kinda
08:00 <luke-jr_> we're insisting this guy download a MP3 of the song he wants =p
08:06 <GodTodd> why insisting?
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08:16 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: as opposed to playing the WMAs he has
08:17 <GodTodd> ahhh
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08:36 <Lucifer_arma> Jesus and his disciples were walking around one day, when Jesus said, "The
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> Kingdom of Heaven is like 3x squared plus 8x minus 9."  The disciples
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> looked very puzzled, and finally asked Peter, "What on earth does Jesus
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> mean - the Kingdom of Heaven is like 3x squared plus 8x minus 9?  Peter
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> said, "Don't worry.  It's just another one of his parabolas."
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> If General Calculus actually did exist, he probably knew how to
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> integrate his troops together and differentiate between his enemies and
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> his allies.
08:38 <guru3_> *groan*
08:38 -!- guru3_ is now known as guru3
08:39 <luke-jr_> guru3: how's those email things coming?
08:39 <guru3> i keep forgetting
08:39 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: 9(x^2) + 8x - 9
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> 9x^2+8x-9
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> er, no
08:40 <luke-jr_> ...
08:40 <guru3> 3x...
08:40 <luke-jr_> (3x)^2 - 9(x^2)
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, I only read wht you wrote, I'm like 5 jokes down now :)
08:40 <luke-jr_> =p
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> no, not (3x)^2
08:40 <luke-jr_> ?
08:41 <luke-jr_> that - was supposed to be an =
08:41 <luke-jr_> guru3: doing it before you forget? =p
08:41 <guru3> i'll get around to it
08:41 <guru3> doesn't seem to be much of a rush
08:41 <luke-jr_> heh
08:43 <luke-jr_> 4 "Lucifer_arma" + 3 "guru3" / 2 "Luke−Jr" • 1 "GodTodd"
08:43 <guru3> = scrambled eggs
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, if there's just an expression, y= can be assumed
08:44 <luke-jr_> = 4 Lucifer_arma + (3 GodTodd ∙ guru3) / (2 Luke−Jr)
08:44 <luke-jr_> perhaps, but I lack a graphing calculator app
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> Expand (a+b)^n.
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> Solution:                  (a+b)^n
08:46 <Lucifer_arma>                          (a + b) ^ n
08:46 <Lucifer_arma>                         (a  +  b)  ^  n
08:46 <Lucifer_arma>                        (a   +   b)   ^   n
08:47  * Lucifer_arma is crying over that one, heh
08:47 <guru3> :s
08:52 <luke-jr_> wtf
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> this hurts
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> A Cherokee indian chief had three wives, each of whom was pregnant.  The first squaw gave birth to a boy, and the chief was so elated he  built her a teepee made of buffalo hide.  A few days later, the second
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> squaw gave birth, and also had a boy.  The chief was extremely happy;  he built her a teepee made of antelope hide.  The third squaw gave birth a few days later, but the chief kept the  birth details a secret.  He built the woman a teepee out of
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> hippopotamus hide, and challenged the people in the tribe to guess the  most recent birth details, the correct guesser receiving a fine prize.  Several of his people tried, but were unsuccessful in their guesses.  Finally, a young brave came forth and declared that the third wife had
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> delivered twin boys.  "Correct"!, cried the chief.  "How did you know"?
08:53 <Lucifer_arma>  "It's simple", replied the warrior.  "The value of the squaw of the hippopotamus is equal to the sons of the squaws of the other two hides."
08:55 <luke-jr_> ...
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> Q: To what question is the answer "9W."
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> A: "Dr. Wiener, do you spell your name with a V?"
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> why do so many math jokes include explanations?
09:14 <guru3> because no one would understand them otherwise
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians and all those who make empty prophecies.  The danger already exists that mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and confine man in the bonds of Hell." -- St. Augustine (354-430)
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> I always thought explaining the joke made it instantly lame...
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09:53 <spidey> #g 300,000*6
09:53 <armabot> 300,000 * 6 = 1,800,000
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10:48 <spidey> is today the first?
11:00 <spidey> wow....
11:00 <spidey> like 2/3 of the tron clan websites are down
11:00 <spidey> o.o
11:01 <spidey> including mine!!!!
11:01 <spidey> even though mine's not a clan :/
11:18 <spidey> #last --nolimit
11:18 <armabot> spidey: [13:32:10] <spidey> even though mine's not a clan :/, [13:31:54] <spidey> including mine!!!!, [13:31:49] <spidey> o.o, [13:31:47] <spidey> like 2/3 of the tron clan websites are down, [13:31:14] <spidey> wow...., and [13:19:23] <spidey> is today the first?
11:20 <wrtlprnft> well, it was down again
11:20 <wrtlprnft> i had to bring it down for a few minutes as the harddrive was too noisy
11:27 <spidey> my hdd started spinning pretty fast while i was playing a game with joe
11:27 <spidey> like it's never done before
11:27 <spidey> i didn't like that
11:36 <spidey> #g 1000/ 60
11:36 <armabot> 1,000 / 60 = 16.6666667
11:59 <spidey> hmm
12:04 <wrtlprnft> well, i had to take out my server's hdd cage to add RAM
12:05 <wrtlprnft> when i put it back in I fixed it in there too hard, so the entire case vibrated with the harddrive
12:08 <spidey> mm
12:09 <spidey> you had to take the hd rack out to add ram?
12:09 <spidey> that's a gay case
12:09 <spidey> http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3793/untitledgh4.jpg
12:09 <spidey> those numbers make me wet
12:09 <spidey> =p~
13:07 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverxml.php?stripcolors ← yet another server XML feed
13:07 <wrtlprnft> though this one should never be empty or invalid.
13:56 <spidey> #g 1280 / 2
13:57 <armabot> 1,280 / 2 = 640
14:02 <spidey> yay
14:02 <spidey> i love this whole desktop background thing
14:03 <spidey> i can add everything i need as a javascript or php and have it on my desktop, no need to run a webbrowser or anything like that :D
14:07 <spidey> http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/2051/desktopcg5.jpg
14:07 <spidey> :D
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15:39 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6134 /private/wrtlprnft/armaspyadvanced/ (. armaspyadvanced.py):
15:39 <armabot> armagetronad: Added a small tool that creates a tray icon which displays a list of online servers and players on right- click.
15:39 <armabot> armagetronad: The code is somewhat chaotic as this is my first python app (and my first experience with KDE programming).
15:39 <armabot> armagetronad: Requires pykde.
15:48 <wrtlprnft> actually it was easier than i thought.
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17:36 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6135 /private/wrtlprnft/armaspyadvanced/armaspyadvanced.py:
17:36 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added a shebang
17:36 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added the number of players online/maximum number of players to the server names
17:36 <armabot> armagetronad: - Activating a player name entry now connects to that server (assuming armagetronad is in your PATH)
18:33 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6136 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/ (7 files in 3 dirs):
18:33 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added a currently broken tConfiguration swig interface file.
18:33 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added tLocale interface file.
18:33 <armabot> armagetronad: - catch std::exception's and its subclasses and try to present them in gArmagetron.
19:16 <DrJoeTron> some jerk found out the password to my server
19:24 <mkzelda> it was pretty easy to guess
19:24 <DrJoeTron> what was it
19:24 <mkzelda> talk to you long enough and anyone would know it was 'masturbation'
19:24 <mkzelda> haha, jk, sorry for your misfortune
19:24 <DrJoeTron> buh?
19:25 <DrJoeTron> bah i dont really care
19:25 <DrJoeTron> its one of those "hey! you dick"
19:25 <DrJoeTron> type of situations
19:25 <DrJoeTron> nothing i cant really fix
19:25 <DrJoeTron> and he didnt do anything
19:25 <mkzelda> schadenfreude
19:25 <DrJoeTron> and i mdae sure of it
19:26 <mkzelda> cool
19:26 <DrJoeTron> i was told this in a different server
19:26 <DrJoeTron> im glad the guy remembered the D-bags name
19:26 <DrJoeTron> he's banned for 32 years :D
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19:26 <DrJoeTron> and no it wasnt masturbation
19:26 <mkzelda> you better watch out after that
19:26 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah really
19:26 <DrJoeTron> it was math related
19:26 <mkzelda> prison hardly rehabilitates anyone
19:27 <DrJoeTron> it was dividend
19:27 <DrJoeTron> im pretty sure the only way someone could have gotten it is if a mod screwed up the password
19:27 <mkzelda> yea, ive done it b4
19:27 <DrJoeTron> yeah
19:28 <mkzelda> im constantly hitting console instead of chat
19:28 <mkzelda> and then i finally hit chat and forget to prefix
19:28 <DrJoeTron> i really wish that would be fixed
19:28 <DrJoeTron> well not fixed because its a bug
19:28 <DrJoeTron> but changed
19:28 <DrJoeTron> to console
19:28 <DrJoeTron> its not a bug*
19:28 <mkzelda> dummy proofing
19:29 <mkzelda> someone really needs to fix my dumminess
19:29 <DrJoeTron> at least its not a 2.7.1 server
19:29 <mkzelda> :D
19:29 <DrJoeTron> comming up with eccentric passwords would be annoying
19:29 <DrJoeTron> im loving my new password
19:29 <mkzelda> what is it?
19:30 <DrJoeTron> im not one to kiss and tell mkzelda ;)
19:30 <mkzelda> haha
19:30 <mkzelda> hey i wasnt asking for a kiss
19:30 <DrJoeTron> i'll tell you it when its retired
19:30 <mkzelda> unless thats the hint
19:30 <DrJoeTron> or found out
19:30 <DrJoeTron> i took your advice
19:30 <DrJoeTron> and made it "masturbation"
19:30 <mkzelda> awesome
19:30 <DrJoeTron> haha 
19:31 <DrJoeTron> kidding!
19:31 <mkzelda> if u mess up and type it in the channel
19:31 <mkzelda> no one is the wiser
19:31 <DrJoeTron> haha
19:31 <DrJoeTron> i gotta change the passwords in other places
19:31 <DrJoeTron> they are too eccentric to type in 2.7.1
19:31 <DrJoeTron> so its easy to screw up
19:31 <mkzelda> kinda like the kids who join a channel just to say NIGGERS
19:31 <mkzelda> er, channel = game
19:32 <DrJoeTron> oh i love those
19:32 <mkzelda> i dont know who or why that ever started, but its gone on ever since ive been playing this game
19:32 <DrJoeTron> because people are fucking retarded
19:32 <mkzelda> and it should prolly offend me but it makes me laugh every time
19:33 <DrJoeTron> i usually dont kick them right away
19:33 <mkzelda> its not b/c of the slur, but i guess the manner its delivered
19:33 <mkzelda> you should make that your password
19:33 <DrJoeTron> i take my time and abuse every priveledge i have
19:33 <DrJoeTron> haha i should
19:33 <mkzelda> no one would ever guess that if u typed it out on the chan
19:33 <DrJoeTron> cept for the 2.7.1 servers
19:34 <mkzelda> like killing them right when they're about to win?
19:34 <DrJoeTron> they will just get "Nothing to be done with that! To Bad So Sad!
19:34 <DrJoeTron> i kill them instantly
19:34 <DrJoeTron> or right when they get to the middle
19:34 <DrJoeTron> i kill them
19:35 <DrJoeTron> or if they are on the wall i have cycle_accel_rim 1000000 bounded
19:36 <mkzelda> thats mean
19:36 <mkzelda> i like it
19:42 <DrJoeTron> i learned it from the meanest person ever to play armagetron
19:42 <DrJoeTron> oscilloscope :p
19:43 <DrJoeTron> i rarely use it though
19:53 <mkzelda> i remember he picked a fight with me when i first started playing
19:53 <mkzelda> said i was boring and kept doing circles running away
19:53 <mkzelda> heh
20:04  * MaZuffeR pokes spidey
20:08 <DrJoeTron> yup
20:08 <DrJoeTron> sounds like scope
20:08 <DrJoeTron> he doesnt give me guff
20:08 <DrJoeTron> when he does i usually retaliate
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21:41 <Lucifer_arma> NIGGER
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> peckerwood
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22:02  * luke-jr_ pokes mkzelda 
22:06 <Lucifer_arma> ack, how did my vhost setup get broken?  :/
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22:14 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: tried armaspy advanced yet?
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> not yet, been working and stuff :/
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> I saw you used pykde for it, though :)
22:14 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:15 <wrtlprnft> which makes it windows- incompatible :)
22:15 <wrtlprnft> trying to integrate a map editor
22:15 <wrtlprnft> though i'll probably have to restart it as the current approach sucks
22:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, hmmm, I don't know this for a fact, but it seems like if you used pyQt4, you could use pyKDE for KDE systray, and win32 extensions for windos systray, etc.
22:15 <wrtlprnft> flickers too much if you move objects
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> ?  someone has a map editor?
22:16 <wrtlprnft> i do
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> ah
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> double-buffering, man :)
22:16 <wrtlprnft> it loads maps and you can move points around
22:16 <wrtlprnft> that's about it
22:16 <wrtlprnft> tell me how i can do that with QPainter and QWidget :P
22:16 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  want me to tell you why there's no pyQt4 map editor yet?
22:17 <wrtlprnft> currently the whole map is one big widget. I should probably rewrite it so walls and zones are their own subwidgets
22:17 <wrtlprnft> why?
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22:17 <Lucifer_arma> because I still haven't figured out QPainter and QWidget, heh
22:17 <wrtlprnft> well, i managed to draw lines with them
22:17 <wrtlprnft> http://www.andamooka.org/reader.pl?pgid=kde20develch03lev1sec2
22:18 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I take it back, I'm familiar with a large part of the QWidget interface, it's QPainter by itself I was still struggling with
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> and I have to deal with it sooner or later, got other programs with custom widgets and all :)
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22:19 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, my map editor currently just loads the map and lets you click on the window, but doesn't do anything useful :/
22:20 <wrtlprnft> acme?
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, except it's not the old pygame-based acme anymore, and it's gotta be renamed
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> I basically just started up a pyQt project and grabbed all the non-pygame code out of acme :)
22:28 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:28 <wrtlprnft> just played some arma, using armaspy advanced to directly connect to a server
22:29 <wrtlprnft> only problem is that the title screen appears if you enter the ingame menu
22:29 <wrtlprnft> oops.
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22:36 <wrtlprnft> i'll probably drop my editor then and do other things like a buddy list
22:36 <wrtlprnft> if there's another qt editor
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> well, I dropped my editor because I wanted to do other things
22:45 <Lucifer_arma> so, doesn't matter to me.  If it makes sense for armaspy advanced to have an editor, maybe I'll just bring my code over there, eh?  ;)
22:45 <wrtlprnft> heh
22:46 <wrtlprnft> if you have a solution for the flicker code, sure
22:46 <wrtlprnft> *flicker problem
22:57 <luke-jr_> anyone want to reverse engineer the TeamSpeak protocol and rewrite it?
22:58 <luke-jr_> GPL'd, of course ;)
22:59  * luke-jr_ has a sudden urge of motivation from seeing the TS devs attitude
22:59 <luke-jr_> eg, they threaten to sue anyone using their protocol
22:59 <luke-jr_> which of course wouldn't stand in court
22:59 <cusco> woa
23:00 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6137 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gGame.cpp: The logo isn't displayed anymore if you start arma with the --connect switch and then enter the menu by pressing esc.
23:02 <luke-jr_> so does that mean nobody else wants to? =p
23:02  * wrtlprnft has better things to do
23:03 <wrtlprnft> you too, btw. For example change vValue so i can use it in the cockpit :P
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23:07 <luke-jr_> ?
23:08 <luke-jr_> oh, the parser you mean?
23:08 <luke-jr_> C++ is a PITA for dynamic stuff :(
23:08 <wrtlprnft> so it can parse currentPlayer.speed()
23:08 <wrtlprnft> where both currentPlayer and speed are callbacks
23:19 <GodTodd> you put c++ in a little bread pocket to do dynamic stuff?
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23:28 <DrJoeTron> SuPeRTaRD Ping
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Log from 2006-09-02:
--- Day changed Sat Sep 02 2006
00:00 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:00 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:13 <spidey> MaZuffeR, 
00:13 <MaZuffeR> yes?
00:13 <spidey> sup :)
00:15 <MaZuffeR> i'm playing 4 team fortress atm, it's quite fun
00:15 <spidey> heh
00:16 <spidey> you should play warrock :p
00:21 <MaZuffeR> i don't enjoy that type of games very much
00:22 <spidey> ;p
00:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone got an idea why the front audio out of my laptop (fujitsu siemens amilo d 1840) is not working?
00:27 <spidey> o.o
00:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: know any sane way in C++ to do it?
00:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: without implmenting a factory for every class and property
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00:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
00:51 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
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01:27 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6138 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/ (6 files in 5 dirs):
01:27 <armabot> armagetronad: - Removed some debug output
01:27 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added note about how to make dyld fail
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02:53 <spidey> haha
02:53 <spidey> i got the unlitmate spam bot -_-
02:53 <spidey> there's a bot for soldat servers that spam the console output in a irc channel
03:10 <DrJoeTron> you know what sucls?
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03:17 <spidey> ?
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04:00 <spidey> omg
04:00 <spidey> i found another luke-jr_ 
04:00 <spidey> this world's going to hell now
04:11 <GodTodd> it wasn't before?
04:12 <spidey> 2 luke-jr_ 's makes it happen twice as fast
04:13 <GodTodd> well...if they're here then i'll go gladly ;)
04:13 <spidey> oh gawd
04:13 <spidey> no way i'm telling him about this channel
04:13 <spidey> luke-jr_, + his twin = suicide
04:13 <GodTodd> what channel?
04:14 <spidey> it's on a private server
04:14 <GodTodd> ahh
04:48 <spidey> hmm
04:48 <spidey> anyone heard of react os?
04:49 <spidey> it's open source and runs windows nt apps and drivers
04:49 <spidey> o.o
04:49 <arctanx> I've heard of reactos
04:49 <arctanx> looked at the website
04:49 <arctanx> crazy stuff
04:49 <arctanx> if they get it going it will be utterly awesome
04:50  * arctanx wonders if they have TCP support yet
04:51 <spidey> hmm
04:51 <spidey> lets see
04:51 <arctanx> ooh
04:51 <arctanx> wiki article says 0.3 has full TCP/IP support
04:52 <spidey> i'm downloading mirc
04:52 <spidey> :p
04:53 <spidey> vmware's using 278mb and i still got 100mb free
04:53 <spidey> o.o
04:57 <spidey> hmm
04:57 <spidey> doesn't seem to be able to resolve domains properally
05:04 <spidey> it has tcp support
05:04 <spidey> but it sucks
05:08 <Your_mom_arma> just saw the article on digg spidey
05:09 <Your_mom_arma> looked around
05:09 <Your_mom_arma> would be nice if they had a livecd
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05:11 <spidey> digg?
05:11 <spidey> and they do have a live cd
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05:12 <spidey> wtf
05:12 <spidey> mirc isn't opening a window
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05:16 <spidey> vmware loves my processor
05:22 <spidey> ok
05:22 <spidey> that os sucks
05:23 <spidey> maybe in a few years i'll try it again
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> reactos is going to take awhile, but last I heard they were moving along nicely
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.xprizecup.com/  <--- I guess they haven't finished building the space port, heh
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05:41 <TiTnAsS> SUPERTARD!
05:44 <Your_mom_arma> find a billionaire willing to spend it all to be the first man on mars. problem solved
05:45 <Your_mom_arma> probobly someone who made thier money on oil since they'll have the most liquid assets
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.spaceportamerica.com/locate.html   <--- not far from my parents' house
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> haha
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> man, all that exhaust from the LOX rockets has got to be good for NM :)
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> if that spaceport takes off, my old home in Alamogordo might become prime real estate
05:46 <Your_mom_arma> they could be the first desert area with more smog then L.A.
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> the exhaust from a LOX rocket is water
05:47 <Your_mom_arma> awww
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's hydrogen and oxygen.  :)
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> of course, that's until Virgin Galactic takes off with their fuckin' rubber rocket engine :/
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> I did think that space port ws going to be put closer to Alamogordo, though.  Kinda too bad, but it should still get some residual traffic.
05:55 <GodTodd> bah...now i have casey luna's damn car song in my head, thanks :/
05:55 <GodTodd> heh
06:00  * Lucifer_arma doesn't want to know if he's familiar with that song
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: have you written anything this week?  ;)
06:01  * Lucifer_arma is about to add something he already wrote again, heh
06:06 <GodTodd> ummm...not completely...was going to finish up one this weekend :)
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> ko.  I'll put mine up tonight so when you have one, you finally get to be first on the front page.  :)
06:15 <luke-jr_> spidey: there is only one Luke-Jr
06:15 <luke-jr_> spidey: ReactOS is a rewrite of Windows NT under a moral license
06:23 <Your_mom_arma> so do you hate react os about half as much as you hate windows?
06:24 <Your_mom_arma> freeciv?
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> not my server tonight, it's updating itself right now
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm going to bed in a bit, class in the morning
06:26 <Your_mom_arma> luci do you have eny examples of that auto template extension you posted?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> auto template extension?  er, you mean the menu thing for the wiki?
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> or the txt2tags for documentation?
06:28 <Your_mom_arma> menu
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> no, I don't, sorry.  I'll install it on the wiki real quick.  I was looking into getting the doxy-generated api docs onto the wiki :)
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06:40 <Your_mom_arm1> bah
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> ok, installed that thing
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> how to use it is listed on the linked page.  You might want to just start fooling with the Sections template with it.  :)
06:47 <spidey> luke-jr_, this is where i tell you to take your moral speach and shove it :D
06:48 <spidey> and yes i know what reactos is,it just needs a few more years before it's worth installing
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06:51 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, wanna play freeciv?
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07:13 <spidey> o.o
07:14 <spidey> appearently my shitty typing fucked something up in the code to my forum.php page
07:14 <spidey> but i can't find it :/
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07:24 <spidey> deja_vu, 
07:25 <spidey> liar
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08:21 <deja_vu> spidey: weirdo
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09:49 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: make three new tValues: one holds a class pointer (template) and offers a non–virtual function to get it. Another one holds a function pointer within that class and too offers a function to get it. A third one holds two vValues of the other types, dynamic_cast<>s them to what they should be. If it fails it returns 0 or whatever, if it succeeds it calls the function pointer for the class and returns that result
09:50 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: for best results make all three of them templates.
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12:49  * Vanhayes breaks the 2 hours of silence 
12:49 <Vanhayes> #morning
12:49 <armabot> Good Morning Vanhayes Random Fortune: QOTD: || "I used to jog, but the ice kept bouncing out of my glass."
12:54 <wrtlprnft> morning
12:56 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i count 3 hours of silence
13:09 <Vanhayes> heh well I just woke up, im surprised I was only an hour off
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13:39 <spidey> O.o
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14:18 <spidey> cya in a day or 2
14:28 <wrtlprnft> good
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14:30 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i'm still here!
14:31 <spidey> i'ma make my bnc log so i can grep anything with spidey, retard, annoying and anything else i can think of :p
14:35 <wrtlprnft> spidey and retard are synonyms anyways :Þ
14:35 <spidey> bah
14:35 <wrtlprnft> retard: cya
14:36 <spidey> i'ma make my client replace your name with asshole
14:36 <spidey> -_-
14:37 <wrtlprnft> you're a wrtlprnft spidey 
14:37 <spidey> what's a wrtlprnft ?
14:38 <wrtlprnft> a Nice Guy™
14:38 <spidey> i knew you loved me
14:40 <spidey> when i get home i think i'ma read on perl scripting
14:40 <wrtlprnft> perl sucks.
14:41 <spidey> bye
14:41 <wrtlprnft> good.
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15:50 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: and none of that helps the problem...
15:50 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
15:51 <luke-jr_> eg, how to lookup class or function+arginfo from a string name
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16:52 <joda_bot> test
16:52 <luke-jr_> no
16:53 <luke-jr_> it didn't work
16:53 <luke-jr_> test failed
16:53 <joda_bot> asdsasd
16:53 <nemostultae> anonymous, joda? (tor) ;)
16:54 <joda_bot> aha ;)
16:54 <joda_bot> hehe
16:54 <joda_bot> Just upgraded my router to openwrt
16:54 <joda_bot> now wpa2 wlan works and also tor + privoxy on it
16:54 <luke-jr_> not IPv6 yet tho, eh?
16:55 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6139 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs):
16:55 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added interface file for tString
16:55 <armabot> armagetronad: - Refactored tRuby — tRuby::Sandbox, tRuby::Safe, tRuby::Eval for those without sandbox. Sandbox::Load is not functioning.
16:55 <armabot> armagetronad: - turned on director for abstract class tPath. ArmagetronAd::Tools::Directories.var.get_write_path("blah") works now.
16:55 <joda_bot> not installed yet
16:55 <armabot> armagetronad: - Comment on the two lines indicated in tools.i for dyld not to crash. (#$@*#&)
16:55 <joda_bot> I'd still like to have to rotating user agent support for privoxy
16:56 <joda_bot> but it requires "perl" and microperl just fails to handle use strict and stuff... quite useless to me then
16:59 <joda_bot> brb
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17:06 <madmax|pt> Hello
17:08 <ghableska> hi madmax|pt
17:10 <madmax|pt> AW people: any ideas about the >8 number of players for the ladle?
17:10 <ghableska> oh
17:10 <ghableska> hmm
17:11 <ghableska> is 2020 playing?
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17:11 <MaZuffeR> I wont play if we have enough players
17:12 <ghableska> we need you :P
17:12 <rain> hi programs
17:12 <ghableska> hi rain
17:12 <madmax|pt> i think he is, havent seen him the last days though
17:12 <ghableska> yeah
17:12 <ghableska> I thought he was in malta...
17:12 <MaZuffeR> 2020 played ctf earlier today
17:12 <ghableska> oh
17:13 <rain> so, what about the problem that we are 11?
17:13 <madmax|pt> anyone knows if Van is playing?
17:14 <rain> with van 12
17:14 <ghableska> he hasn't signed up...
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17:15 <ghableska> O_o
17:15 <rain> what do you think about build 2 teams?
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17:16 <Lackadaisical> hey
17:16 <rain> hey lack
17:17 <madmax|pt> well, right now we're 11
17:17 <Lackadaisical> we could try to make two teams instead of 1 aw team
17:17 <Lackadaisical> and thats excluding zop and other people who tend to play but dont sign up
17:17 <rain> that is what I was saying
17:18 <rain> we are too many
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17:19 <Lackadaisical> hi sticky
17:19 <Sticky> ay
17:19 <Sticky> hay
17:19 <rain> well, there was a lot af players signed up last time too, but only 4 showed up...
17:19 <madmax|pt> (gathering the gang)
17:19 <rain> hi sticky
17:20 <ghableska> not everyone on the list will show up...
17:20 <ghableska> so there'll probably be room
17:20 <Sticky> was just saying to madmax, judging by the players you have signed up i wouldnt get into the top 8 so i dont mind being dropped if we are over quota on the night
17:20 <Lackadaisical> well i don't really see alot of people who tend to not show up
17:20 <Sticky> but i thought i would make myself available if there is any need
17:21 <ghableska> Sticky :)
17:22 <rain> we should fix a meeting for tomorrow, after the ladle
17:22 <Sticky> do we know who the first game is yet
17:22 <rain> so we can see who we are
17:22 <rain> the last is at 9 gmt
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17:22 <rain> the first around 8 maybe
17:23 <ghableska> hm
17:23 <ghableska> does anyone else have Skype?
17:23 <rain> we could meet at 8 gmt on my server if you agree
17:23 <Sticky> yup
17:23 <rain> I have skype
17:24 <rain> but not here
17:24 <Lackadaisical> next ladle we need more open teams
17:24 <ghableska> Lackadaisical: what do you mean?
17:24 <ghableska> not restricted by clans?
17:24 <Sticky> yeah i though that
17:24 <rain> and a better organization
17:24 <Lackadaisical> just teams where everyone can register for like aw
17:24 <ghableska> ah
17:24 <madmax|pt> wait, the ladle games start at 9GMT right?
17:25 <ghableska> I thought that's when it ends...
17:25 <Lackadaisical> i think alot of people would be willing to play, but making a new team might seem too much hassle
17:25 <ghableska> probably
17:25 <Sticky> if you do only have one open team it becomes all clans vs the best of the rest
17:25 <rain> last game is at 9 gmt
17:25 <ghableska> ok
17:25 <Lackadaisical> the finals are played at 9pm
17:25 <madmax|pt> oh crap
17:25 <ghableska> ?
17:25 <madmax|pt> ok, so the first games are at ?
17:25 <rain> dunno
17:25 <rain> maybe 8?
17:26 <ghableska> well if no one knows...
17:26 <ghableska> won't it get chaotic?
17:26 <ghableska> when is Z-Man putting up his server, anyway?
17:26 <luke-jr_> ghableska: Skype sucks
17:26 <rain> it is up right now
17:26 <ghableska> luke-jr_: it's decent :)
17:26 <luke-jr_> ghableska: sucks
17:26 <Lackadaisical> the whole ladle part of the wiki is becoming a maze
17:26 <rain> lol
17:26 <ghableska> heh
17:27 <madmax|pt> i can't see when are the first games...
17:27 <rain> lucifer likes mazes, we know
17:27 <madmax|pt> hm... theres this "They [captains] will meet at the Challenge Room at 6.45, 7.30, 8.15 and 9 to..."
17:27 <rain> it isnt fixed
17:27 <ghableska> "The next Tronic Ladle Final is at 9pm GMT on Sun 3rd September(US: 5pm EDT, 3pm MDT, 4pm CDT, UK: 10pm BST, DE: 23:00 CEST)"
17:28 <Lackadaisical> thats the final yes
17:28 <rain> anyway, can we meet tomorrow?
17:28 <madmax|pt> if it starts before +/-8GMT its on top of my dinner time
17:28 <rain> lol
17:28 <wrtlprnft> it's tomorrow, right?
17:28 <madmax|pt> yes
17:28 <rain> right
17:29 <ghableska> heh
17:29 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: how doesn't it? What IS the problem?
17:30 <Lackadaisical> ok we meet before the ladle begins? on rains server?
17:31 <Lackadaisical> which server is that, rain?
17:31 <rain> the name is simply "Fortress"
17:31 <ghableska> ok
17:31 <Sticky> ok
17:31 <ghableska> so when should we meet?
17:31 <rain> 7.30? 8.00?
17:31 <ghableska> gmt?
17:31 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: there's no easy way to turn a tString into a class/function reference
17:31 <rain> yes
17:31 <ghableska> ok
17:31 <Lackadaisical> well there are gonna be three rounds with 4+ teams
17:32 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: or rather, it's impossible without using ugly hacks in C++ it seems
17:32 <Lackadaisical> so we need to gather before 7.30
17:32 <ghableska> ok
17:32 <rain> ok 7.00?
17:32 <ghableska> sure
17:32 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: well, of course you need some way to map strings to pointers
17:32 <Sticky> yeah Wiki currently states 7.30 as start time
17:32 <wrtlprnft> the class part would be a function pointer to a function that returns a reference to an object
17:32 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: should be built into C++ =p
17:32 <rain> 7.00gmt on my server, called Fortress, all agree?
17:32 <ghableska> agreed
17:33 <wrtlprnft> sure
17:33 <Lackadaisical> isnt Vanhayes gonna play?
17:33 <rain> dunno
17:33 <Sticky> yes
17:33 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: string representations of classes/functions are all available at run time
17:33 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: not necessarily
17:33 <rain> ok, see you all tomorrow
17:33 <rain> bye
17:34 <Lackadaisical> hey why did someone take my name of the list :(
17:34 <wrtlprnft> of course you could try using typeid(someclassptr).name()
17:34 <wrtlprnft> cya
17:34 <Lackadaisical> ghableska: why did you take my name of the list?
17:34 <ghableska> ?
17:34 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: um, yes...
17:35 <Lackadaisical> guess it was an accident
17:35 <ghableska> I haven't touched the wiki :P
17:35 <Lackadaisical> 	* ghableska (not captain) I nominate gari. :P
17:35 <Lackadaisical> you didnt write that?
17:35 <ghableska> hmm, oh yes
17:35 <ghableska> I only changed that though...
17:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: objdump -T /lib/libdl.so.2
17:36 <madmax|pt> show him the diff!
17:36 <madmax|pt> lol
17:36 <Lackadaisical> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=LADLE_team-lists&diff=15269&oldid=15265
17:36 <ghableska> eek, sorry about that
17:36 <ghableska> didn't notice :X
17:36 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: i know
17:37 <wrtlprnft> anyways, WTF is SPE
17:37 <madmax|pt> the ladle actually starts at 7:30 GMT?
17:37 <luke-jr_> #wtf SPE
17:37 <Lackadaisical> madmax|pt: yes
17:37 <wrtlprnft> referring to http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=87911#87911
17:37 <Vanhayes> hello
17:37 <Lackadaisical> unless we dont have to play the first round
17:37 <madmax|pt> hi Van
17:37 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
17:37 <Vanhayes> im not playing this ladle
17:38 <ghableska> oh :(
17:38 <wrtlprnft> “…http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=87911#87911”
17:38 <wrtlprnft> hi Vanhayes 
17:38 <wrtlprnft> err
17:38 <Lackadaisical> then we start at 2000 gmt
17:38 <Vanhayes> hey wrtlprnft 
17:38 <ghableska> Lackadaisical: should I put you back on the list?
17:38 <wrtlprnft> “…But in SPE it says:”
17:38 <Lackadaisical> ill do it
17:38 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: Society of Petroleum Engineers
17:38 <ghableska> ok, again, sorry
17:38 <Vanhayes> school starts tuesday and I have alot to do so good luck
17:38 <Vanhayes> hope AW wins again
17:38 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: please, i looked up the wikipedia entry myself
17:38 <wrtlprnft> i need something that makes sense
17:39 <luke-jr_> that was google actually :)
17:39 <wrtlprnft> well, whatever
17:39 <nemostultae> http://stani.be/python/spe/blog/
17:39 <wrtlprnft> ty
17:39  * Vanhayes walks off again
17:40  * wrtlprnft emerges it to see if he can fix it
17:40 <wrtlprnft> cya Vanhayes 
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17:41 <wrtlprnft> urgh. a 21 MB download with depencencies. as if i hadn't enough packages on this system
17:41 <madmax|pt> why isnt it starting at 9pm :/
17:41 <wrtlprnft> it is starting at 9pm gmt, right?
17:42 <ghableska> ending or starting?
17:42 <luke-jr_> <Lackadaisical> then we start at 2000 gmt
17:42 <wrtlprnft> now you got me confused
17:42 <luke-jr_> 2000 = 20:00 = 8 PM
17:42 <wrtlprnft> that's the AW training if i got that right
17:43 <luke-jr_> dunnoi
17:43 <luke-jr_> <madmax|pt> the ladle actually starts at 7:30 GMT?
17:43 <luke-jr_> <Lackadaisical> madmax|pt: yes
17:43 <wrtlprnft> now you got me seriously confused
17:44 <madmax|pt> seems like the final is played at 9pm
17:44 <luke-jr_> I hear the wiki's a maze
17:44 <wrtlprnft> yeah
17:44 <madmax|pt> well, concerning this "the ladle actually starts at 7:30 GMT?"
17:44 <madmax|pt> found that -> "the ladle actually starts at 7:30 GMT?"
17:44 <madmax|pt> oops
17:44 <madmax|pt> lol
17:44 <madmax|pt> -> Team Captains should register at 6.45, 7.30, 8.15 and 9pm GMT. That is, at the beginning of every round...
17:44 <ghableska> O_O
17:44 <ghableska> 6:45 now?
17:44 <wrtlprnft> someone should catch 2020 and drag him in here
17:45 <madmax|pt> according to http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Challenge_Room
17:45 <Lackadaisical> just three rounds with the amount of teams registered
17:45 <madmax|pt> i see
17:45 <Lackadaisical> with six teams two teams start at 8.15, two others start at 7.30
17:45 <Lackadaisical> four others
17:46 <wrtlprnft> > Team Captains use the chat-room to register their team: their team is assembled at the appropriate server and they are ready to play. Team Captains should register at 6.45, 7.30, 8.15 and 9pm GMT. That is, at the beginning of every round...
17:46 <wrtlprnft> i think this is for the 2nd ladle...
17:47 <madmax|pt> glup
17:47 <Lackadaisical> the second ladle started at 9 pm gmt
17:47 <wrtlprnft> x_X
17:48 <wrtlprnft> well, i'll try to be here 26 hours, then hopefully 2020 will be here too
17:48 <wrtlprnft> or no, he won't :s
17:49  * ghableska sent a pm to 2020
17:49  * madmax|pt has a headache, not because of the Ladle though
17:49 <ghableska> :-/
17:49 <wrtlprnft> now someone tell me why this download is going at 30KB/s
17:50 <ghableska> *shrugs*
17:50 <madmax|pt> is spidey alive?
17:50 <wrtlprnft> i need wxpython to see if iDiot's problem has somthing to do with SPE
17:50  * ghableska pokes spidey
17:50 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: luckily no
17:50 <madmax|pt> lol
17:50 <wrtlprnft> 14:18 <spidey> cya in a day or 2
17:50  * wrtlprnft hopes it's 2 days or 3
17:50  * wrtlprnft knows he's mean
17:51 <ghableska> heh
17:51 <wrtlprnft> 15BK/s now…
17:52 <luke-jr_> wtf is BK
17:53 <MaZuffeR> burger king?
17:53 <luke-jr_> spidey was thinking about leaving altogether (the internet)
17:53 <ghableska> :O
17:53 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: Berkelium (symbol Bk) — Burger King — Building Killer (A type of NukeZone unit) — Bad Kid — Brahma Kumari — Banjo-Kazooie (video game) — BK (musician) — Bankruptcy — Battery Captain (UK) — Beekeeper — Below knee (amputation) — Beverley Knight — Beyonce Knowles — Bible Knowledge — Blitzkrieg (game) — Blue Kaffee — Book — Born Killers (Professional Halo clan) — Bosnia and Herzegovina (FIPS Pub 10-4 and obsolete NATO digram) — Brandon Kalani — Brett Koll — Brinkman-Kramers — British Knights (shoes) — Brooklyn — Bruel & Kjaer (bk.dk) — Bundeskanzler (Germany) — Potomac Air IATA code — The ticker symbol for the Bank of New York — Borosilicate crown
17:53 <luke-jr_> He thinks most people here hate him, IIRC
17:54 <luke-jr_> but it's his real world stuff that's not going well with him, mainly
17:54 <wrtlprnft> be aware spidey is probably gonna read this
17:54 <wrtlprnft> the above quote is from wikipedia, BTW
17:55 <madmax|pt> i dont now if ill be available that early on rain's server (at 7pm gmt)
17:55 <Lackadaisical> are any of the brackets already known?
17:55 <wrtlprnft> uh, wouldn't 7pm gmt be after the ladle begins?
17:55 <ghableska> yeah
17:55 <ghableska> I think
17:55 <wrtlprnft> or 7pm today?
17:55 <ghableska> O_o
17:55 <Lackadaisical> no tomorrow
17:56 <wrtlprnft> in 27 hours?
17:56 <Lackadaisical> the ladle doesnt begin till 7.30 pm because we dont have enough teams to do the earlier rounds
17:57 <madmax|pt> (are other teams aware of this?...)
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17:57 <wrtlprnft> wb Sticky 
17:57 <Lackadaisical> I'm afraid they arent..
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17:58 <|Sticky|> hay
17:58 <Lackadaisical> maybe i should post something about that on the clanforums
17:59 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I'm not the one insulting spidey =p
18:00 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: yeah, but i mostly write this because i know he's probably gonna read it :)
18:00 <Lackadaisical> does anyone know if lol is actually gonna play? i havent seen any lol players lately - just wpn people
18:00 <wrtlprnft> aren't they the same thing?
18:01 <wrtlprnft> the 4team fortress server used to be lol, now it's wpn, so i assumed they just renamed
18:01 <wrtlprnft> the same way fe is now sl
18:02 <madmax|pt> i dont think so
18:03 <Lackadaisical> no, durka and some other people from lol (as i see, the only real active ones) thought the skill level was too low in lol so they mad e a new clan
18:03 <wrtlprnft> with a very noble slogan
18:03 <wrtlprnft> come on, only idiots and noobs are proud to pwn other noobs :P
18:04 <Lackadaisical> hehe yeah, pwning noobs isn't really something to be proud of
18:05 <wrtlprnft> i always try to be fair and not trap them, at least on non- team servers
18:08 <ghableska> heh
18:08  * ghableska is almost a noob :P
18:08 <wrtlprnft> nah
18:10 <ghableska> so when does the ladle start? 7:30?
18:11 <wrtlprnft> probably
18:11 <ghableska> and we're meeting at 7?
18:11 <ghableska> at Fortress...
18:13 <wrtlprnft> 1
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18:13 <ghableska> ?
18:13 <wrtlprnft> 1 true yes ja oui si
18:13 <ghableska> :P
18:14 <joda_bot> ah, fine, now tor automatically maps irc.freenode.org to the onion dns name
18:16 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:29 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: /whois joda_bot
18:30 <wrtlprnft> ah
18:30 <wrtlprnft> o well, something seems to be broken with my provider's DNS reverse lookup
18:30 <wrtlprnft> i don't have a hostname, oh well
18:30 <wrtlprnft> not that it mattered
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18:38 <|Sticky|> Lackadaisical: you said something about 2 AW teams?? whats that about?
18:41 <Lackadaisical> well if there are 12 people showing up tomorrow, i dont think we should exclude the idea of making two teams
18:41 <|Sticky|> yeah but you said sign up on the wiki are you actualy asking for 2 team lists now or just divide up when we meet tomorrow
18:42 <Lackadaisical> second one
18:42 <|Sticky|> ok
18:42 <Lackadaisical> i said sign up on the wiki because ady wanted to know how to join
18:43 <|Sticky|> ahh
18:49 <Lucifer_arma> <Lackadaisical> the whole ladle part of the wiki is becoming a maze
18:49 <Lucifer_arma> <rain> lucifer likes mazes, we know
18:49  * Lucifer_arma is not associated with the ladle
18:59 <luke-jr_> madmax|pt: LOL=WPN
18:59 <Lackadaisical> lol =! wpn
18:59 <|Sticky|> wpn>=lol
19:00 <Lackadaisical> durka on lol forums: "Over the past few weeks there has been a rapid flow of n00bs joining LOL clan. When we first made the clan, we wanted to be good, but make it easy to get into. Well, the talent level of the clan has greatly decreased from when it first began. Therefore, I have started a new clan."
19:00 <ghableska> O_o
19:00  * Lackadaisical out
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19:04 <joda_bot> hhh
19:05 <joda_bot> hm
19:05 <joda_bot> interesting ;)
19:05 <joda_bot> ok never mind just restartet privoxy alot but gaim does only depend on tor
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19:24  * ghableska is bored
19:26  * Lucifer_arma thinks fraternities are just clans with greek letters
19:28 <luke-jr_> lol
19:29 <ghableska> heh
19:36 <wrtlprnft> i thought LOL was a team, not a clan...
19:37 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Wrtlprnft&curid=1791&diff=15274&oldid=15246&rcid=13918
19:38 <wrtlprnft> x_X nitpicking³
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> jonathan?
19:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:43 <Lucifer_arma> that's not nitpicking, nitpicking is when he spends time telling you you misspelled a word but doesn't fix it :)
19:44 <wrtlprnft> anyways
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> nitpicking is also when you tell someone "that's not nitpicking, nitpicking is when he spends time telling you you misspelled a world but doesn't fix it"
19:44 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: any idea about this: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=87911#87911 ?
19:44 <wrtlprnft> i'm clueless
19:44 <wrtlprnft> just tried running it from within SPE and it doesn't crash either
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> I just responded on your talk page to 2020, but haven't had a chance to tell you.  The fixed background runs too slow in my browser for me to be willing to make it the default.  :/  Would you mind removing that?
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> what's SPE?  heh
19:45 <wrtlprnft> well, the whole thing only works with a fixed background
19:45 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i asked the same question ;)
19:45 <wrtlprnft> http://stani.be/python/spe/blog/
19:45 <wrtlprnft> it's in portage
19:45 <Lucifer_arma> ah, python editor
19:46 <wrtlprnft> i thought it might have been SPE's fault, but nope
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> his specific error is syntax errors, which might indicate that this SPE he's running has some special config item he's set that changes all the indents
19:46 <Lucifer_arma> that would cause his symptoms, anyway
19:47 <Lucifer_arma> line endings too
19:47 <wrtlprnft> they're all tabs.
19:47 <Lucifer_arma> Ubuntu, does he have pyKDE and pyQT installed?
19:48 <wrtlprnft> well, wouldn't that be other errors then?
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it would be an import error
19:48 <wrtlprnft> à la “can't import module KBlah”
19:48 <Lucifer_arma> my attitude is "Try it like any other program and see if it works, and if you want to hack it, you're on your own for fancy IDEs"
19:49  * Lucifer_arma has gotten used to Kate, no need for an IDE when you're used to Kate
19:49  * wrtlprnft uses gvim
19:49  * Lucifer_arma still wants to write his own editor, just hasn't yet
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> of course you put #!/usr/bin/env python as the first line of the top script and set chmod 775, right?
19:51 <wrtlprnft> uh
19:51 <wrtlprnft> i'm using #!/usr/bin/python
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> that works, but the python guys say do it the other way.  IF you use distutils to build packages (not a bad idea), it'll rewrite that line upon installation using the user's path to python
19:53 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6140 /private/wrtlprnft/armaspyadvanced/armaspyadvanced.py: changed #!/usr/bin/python to #!/usr/bin/env python, for whatever positive effect it might have
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> I've got some stuff for makefiles that is pretty damn useful for pyQt programming you might be interested in.
19:54 <Lucifer_arma> Actually, I wrote a program called newproject that takes a project template and creates a new version doing some substitutions, and there's a pretty solid pyQt template I made for it
19:55 <wrtlprnft> actually i used python because i didn't wanna mess with makefiles and autoconf and linking to libkde and similar stuff
19:55 <wrtlprnft> otherwise i'd have used c++
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> autoconf macros to check for python modules and stuff
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> heh, well, I found that that's the way to go with pyQt.  :/  Weird tradeoff, but distutils isn't really big enough to handle it
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> the other thing it does that's really useful is it compiles .ui files from Qt Designer into .py files
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> rather, I hve build rules that do it, and they work like you'd expect them to work if they were say c++ files
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> that was where distutils fell down, iirc.  Couldn't build .ui files without a bunch of fancy code.
19:57  * wrtlprnft never actually used qtdesigner
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> I saw that you didn't use it here.  But it's freaking useful.  ;)
19:58 <Lucifer_arma> It's not point-and-click programming, you still have to go in and write code, but it's literally "prototype your GUI" and then inherit the class and implement it
19:58 <wrtlprnft> well, i'm currently struggling with with the UI, true
19:59 <wrtlprnft> i wanna make a list of favorite servers
19:59 <Lucifer_arma> Qt Designer is nice, but it does take a bit of work to figure out how to use it.  It's another one of those programs with a fairly steep learning curve, but afterwards it's very easy to use
19:59 <wrtlprnft> those would get a star or something next to their entry in the menu and would show up even if they were empty
20:00 <Lucifer_arma> lemme tar up what I've got for my budget program right now and stick it on my webserver.  It's still small enough in the GUI anyway that you can usefully read the code.
20:00 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't suggest digging past the GUI unless you really want to learn about accounting, heh.
20:00 <wrtlprnft> and wouldn't Qt Designer create lots of QTBlah widgets, but no KBlah widgets?
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's got some support for KDE widgets
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> you'll have to look at how I did it to get a feel for it, anyway.  I make a QWidget, then inherit it, then write the top-level window
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> except for the main window, but I think Designer has support for KMainWindow
20:02  * wrtlprnft feels like he should do an emerge qt-designer
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/dsbp.tar.gz
20:03 <wrtlprnft> that is, if i find out the name of the ebuild
20:03 <Lucifer_arma> it may have installed with qt, not sure
20:04 <wrtlprnft> its command is qtdesigner, right?
20:04 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ qtdesigner                                                   ~
20:04 <wrtlprnft> zsh: command not found: qtdesigner
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> dont' know, actually.  Hmmm
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> dave@ghostwheel:/home/share/Projects$ ls /usr/qt/3/bin/designer
20:07 <Lucifer_arma> /usr/qt/3/bin/designer
20:08 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: erm, I never inherit Qt Designer stuff, I just use it =p
20:08 <luke-jr_> shouldn't need to inherit it
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> here comes luke-jr_ to tell us useless stuff because he doesn't know what we're actually talking about
20:08 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ah, it's already there.
20:09 <wrtlprnft> opens 7 new windows on my already crowded desktop :s
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> ack, what a pain.  I set it to MDI mode so it doesn't do that to me
20:09 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: use MDI mode
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> but MDI mode has it's peculiarities, heh
20:10 <wrtlprnft> well, it's no problem
20:10 <wrtlprnft> just use it on its own desktop :P
20:10 <luke-jr_> to implement stuff, you create a seperate implementation class with slots, and connect the UI's signals to them
20:10 <luke-jr_> for lots of stuff, you can just use slots on the UI itself
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> great, you know that much just spending 5 minutes on TrollTech's site
20:12 <Lucifer_arma> you know why you inherit the designer class instead of using Qt Designer's own code editor on it?
20:12 <luke-jr_> I don't do either
20:12 <wrtlprnft> why?
20:12 <luke-jr_> I keep code off the interface
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> several reasons.  1) Qt Designer doesn't support python directly.  pyuic will handle it, but you're using a C++ editor to write python code
20:13 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: Qt Designer shows KDE widgets if they're installed, usually; Qt4 won't do Qt3 widgets, tho
20:13 <Lucifer_arma> 2) There's no such thing as "we won't modify your code".  You need to keep your own code out of the .ui files, even though Qt Designer can handle it now, no guarantee it always can no matter ho complex your project is
20:14 <luke-jr_> Qt Designer's code editor sucks anyway-- and is removed in Qt4 as far as I can tell
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> 3) as luke-jr_ says, it's bad design anyway, and using Qt Designer that way will lead to VERY bad design
20:14 <Lucifer_arma> so your inherited class implements special slots, emits signals, and you put real work somewhere else anyway
20:14 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:15 <Lucifer_arma> if I thought about it more and wasn't sleepier-than-dirt I could come up with more reasons :)
20:16 <Lucifer_arma> so I use the .ui files like any other program resource, png, sound effect, whatever.  No code in it.
20:18 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: how do you like THAT design?
20:18 <wrtlprnft> jk
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20:19 <wrtlprnft> which gives us the old issue with the tabs :(
20:20 <luke-jr_> ?
20:20 <wrtlprnft> wiki
20:20 <wrtlprnft> select the skin “wrtlprnft”
20:20 <luke-jr_> o
20:25 <Lucifer_arma> scroll bar still takes half a second to move a little bit
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20:27 <wrtlprnft> yeah, it's still fixed
20:27 <wrtlprnft> but using alphatransparent pngs now
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> nvm
20:27 <Lucifer_arma> had to do a hard refresh
20:28 <Lucifer_arma> what's wrong with the tabs?
20:29 <wrtlprnft> they seem to be fine now.
20:34 <wrtlprnft> no, they're still screwed in opera.
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> looks like he doesn't have python installed
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> which doesn't make sense if SPE is running, hrm
20:49 <wrtlprnft> ok, can't have a transparent background AND the current tab overlapping the content are by one pixel, sorry
21:05 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: utf-8 todo: add nice utf-8 chars to our font
21:05 <luke-jr_> (before I forget =p)
21:05 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: there are already a few
21:06 <wrtlprnft> “”…–—€≤≥are already implemented
21:06 <wrtlprnft> + some other less important ones
21:06 <wrtlprnft> „ too
21:06 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: most of those aren't useful =p
21:07 <luke-jr_> I'm thinking from table 38
21:07 <wrtlprnft> those are freaking useful!
21:07 <wrtlprnft> wtf is useful about table 38?
21:08 <luke-jr_> lol
21:08 <luke-jr_> smilies and symbols
21:08 <wrtlprnft> ☀☁☂☃☄★☆☇☈☉☊☋☌☍☎☏☐☑☒☓☔☕☖☗
21:08 <wrtlprnft> can't think about a good use for those
21:08 <luke-jr_> I can see the stars being nice ;p
21:08 <luke-jr_> maybe some chess pieces too
21:08 <wrtlprnft> ☹☺☻ ← feel free to draw them
21:09 <luke-jr_> use a pawn instead of 'n00b'
21:09 <luke-jr_> etc
21:09 <wrtlprnft> well, feel free to add them
21:09 <wrtlprnft> and i think it's more important to get it all working nicely right now
21:12 <luke-jr_> heh
21:12 <luke-jr_> I said 'todo', not 'top priority' ;)
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21:13 <wrtlprnft> feel free to dig into the code and do the utf8 <=> latin-1 conversions
21:13 <wrtlprnft> ie for older servers/clients
21:16 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=88031#88031 :s
21:16 <wrtlprnft> any ideas?
21:17 <wrtlprnft> i thought you could just declare a variable like that, but it looks like you can't everywhere
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21:52 <Nixda276> this thing by joda is pretty cool
21:52 <Nixda276> its Durka by the way
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21:53 <wrtlprnft> hi
21:53 <Durka> woah i can actually put my name too
21:53  * Durka loves joda :D
21:53  * wrtlprnft wonders why so many people join with a default nick
21:53 <Durka> ok bye
21:53 <wrtlprnft> cya
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22:59 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:59 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!

Log from 2006-09-03:
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00:14 <deja_vu> spidey!
00:15 <deja_vu> spidey: you're not paying attention to me stealing yours >:(
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03:10 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: you *should* be able to declare a variable like that.  How else would you declare one?  hmmm
03:10  * Lucifer_arma goes to download armaspy and try to run it
03:24  * Lucifer_arma has to emerge pykde :/
03:24 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: well, haven't got it to run yet becuase I'm emerging pykde, but it at least got past the guilty line in his post.  I'll bet he just copied and pasted it out of the svn browser instead of downloading it like he should've and got the indents fucked up
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05:59 <DrJoeTron> looks like everyone drunk but me tonight
06:07 <luke-jr_> ?
06:22 <DrJoeTron> friends
06:29  * Lucifer_arma isn't drunk
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07:02 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: does it have to be a KDE app?  :/  One of the complaints a lot of us had about iF's armaspy was that it was windows-only...
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07:07 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: there is no cross-DE way to do systray, IIRC
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5307830.stm   <--- Obviously the AI is in control of North Korea
07:08 <luke-jr_> freedesktop may have changed that recently tho
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: the systray protocol "standard" is supported by both KDE and GNOME, however...
07:08 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: AI has control of US too
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> it is possible to build the GUI itself using something like Qt by itself, and then use platform-specific stuff for systray interaction
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> nah, vanhayes is in control of US
07:09 <luke-jr_> true
07:09 <luke-jr_> lol
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> and Spidey's got Great Britain, hell help us
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft's armaspy advanced uses KDE stuff throughout, though.  Probably he just copied the pyKDE systray example and filled it in, though
07:10 <luke-jr_> heh
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> I like the missile defense system, though.  I think that's just neat.  :)
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> it's an interesting problem to solve, and after they get it solved they can start shrinking it until it can be deployed on carriers and other naval vessels.  Then it'll get damn useful.
07:12 <luke-jr_> who?
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> the Missile Defense Agency?
07:12 <luke-jr_> US? NKorea?
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> the article I linked is NOrth Korea bitching about the US testing its missile defense system
07:13 <luke-jr_> o
07:13 <luke-jr_> I thought Clinton cancelled that?
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's not SDI, and Clinton may have canceled whatever Bush I had going, but George W Bush started it up
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> it uses satellites to track missiles, but ground-based interceptors to do the real work
07:14 <luke-jr_> o
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> they're testing out a system to defend themselves thats like hitting us with a nuke right? Lets just plug out more propaganda.--n korea
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> probably won't work terribly well against sub-based missile launches, but the only people with those (afaik) are still us and Russia
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> so after they get it working and armed enough to actually be effective, to attack the US with missiles you have to hit the satellites first, or hope you can overwhelm the defense system with decoys and stuff
07:16 <Your_mom_arma> for 10billion dollars i want a better chance then 5/9
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> you'll get it, it just takes time
07:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: the defense system won't defend the satellites?
07:17 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: time and MORE money =p
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> not that I know of, that's not really needed right yet
07:17 <Your_mom_arma> i wonder why we dont use those 10b$ to get out of debt with other countries
07:17 <luke-jr_> obviously, if the satellites can be attacked to destroy land defense, you need to defend the satellites... =p
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, sure, if we're going to war against China we should think about defending the satellites.  But NOrth Korea?  Come on, they can only hit Japan 5/9 times
07:18 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: what practical effect does that debt have?
07:18 <Your_mom_arma> none reaally i guess
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: that's a bit of a strawman, sorry.  The US is always in debt, but it has *always* paid its debts
07:18 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: China has threatened ;)
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> China has threatened if we do to NK what we did to Iraq, and/or if we step in should they decide to take Taiwan by force.
07:18 <luke-jr_> of course, if they set off an EMP on land, not much to do...
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> i.e. China has threatened only if we get in their way.
07:19 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: which Bush would do
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> I would support hiim in that, too.
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> Unless he invoked 9/11 as a reason, like he did in Iraq
07:19 <Your_mom_arma> if korea attacks us first then china will take our side i would hope at least
07:19 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: at the cost of more freedoms?
07:19 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: doubt it, they're communists
07:20 <luke-jr_> IIRC, communists stick together
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> you have to weigh it against permanent costs.  There wasn't any permanent loss of freedom over WWII, but the country was a virtual dictatorship
07:20 <luke-jr_> If China allied with us, it would only be for our money stream
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07:20 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: Bush would do perma
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, China doesn't want to fight us because there's too much trade between us that they depend on, same for us, so we won't attack them
07:20 <Your_mom_arma> i want to like comunism i do it just doesnt work :{
07:21 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: it is evil
07:21 <luke-jr_> just like capitalism
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't work as implemented, anyway.
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> China has as much as said they'll step out of the way if North Korea actually attacks anybody, and if NK uses a nuke china will go in and kick them into line
07:21 <DrJoeTron> http://urbaniak.livejournal.com/53758.html 
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> but as long as NK hasn't actually attacked anybody, China will defend them against invasion
07:22 <luke-jr_> wasn't one of NK's missiles aimed at Hawaii?
07:22 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/02/the-coolest-video-youll-see-this-year/#comments
07:22 <luke-jr_> you know what country *really* needs to be taken out?
07:22 <luke-jr_> Israel
07:22 <DrJoeTron> this better be true!
07:23 <DrJoeTron> WOAH
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> NK can aim missiles at Hawaii all it wants, but it can't hit it yet, heh
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> Alaska's the only US state in their range so far, based on their own tests
07:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I'd consider the intention worth fighting back =p
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> at least based on the tests they've done that we can see
07:24 <Your_mom_arma> Why isreal?
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> what do you think this missile defense system is all about?
07:24 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: it's a pretty evil country
07:24 <Your_mom_arma> I would think iran is our biggest threat
07:25 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: Israel is a current aggressor to its surrounding nations
07:25 <luke-jr_> not to mention being racist, marxist, and run by Jews
07:25  * Lucifer_arma sees luke-jr_ strapping a bomb on hiimself and blowing up a protestant church
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> since when is run by Jews evil?
07:25 <luke-jr_> Jews are evil
07:25 <GodTodd> heil hitler!
07:25  * Your_mom_arma watches random person connecting to irc with goverment ip
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> right.  Prejudice is a Good Reason for war, always has been always will be
07:26 <Your_mom_arma> heh
07:26 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: Jews are responsible for most wars
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07:26 <Your_mom_arma> "luke-jr_: Jews are evil"
07:26 <luke-jr_> they control the world
07:26  * Lucifer_arma notes the Catholic Church probably still holds the record for the most genocide being inflicted
07:26 <Gov_bot> Crusades are fun! :D
07:26 <luke-jr_> who the heck is GodTodd 
07:26 <luke-jr_> Gov_bot*
07:26 <Lucifer_arma>  *** DrJoeTron is now known as Gov_bot.
07:27  * GodTodd is GodTodd
07:27 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: I know you
07:27 <Gov_bot> go about your typical american activities!
07:27 <luke-jr_> Gov_bot: stop stealing 2-letter aliases!
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> if it weren't for Jews, we wouldn't have Spaceballs, Men in Tights, etc.
07:27 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: small loss
07:27 <Your_mom_arma> luke-jr_->the new mel gibson
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> BIG loss
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> Men in Tights is awesome!
07:27  * luke-jr_ pissed at Gibson for apologizing
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> apologizing for getting drunk and saying stupid shit?
07:28 <luke-jr_> ok, so he shouldn't have been drunk
07:28 <luke-jr_> but nothing wrong with speaking the truth
07:28 <Your_mom_arma> heh
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, I realize some of us around here don't have to get drunk to say stupid shit, but Gibson does
07:28 <GodTodd> yeah...cuz drunkenness is MUCH worse than blind hatred.
07:28 <Your_mom_arma> antisemetic luke?
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> he was both drunk and driving
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> he could've killed someone
07:28 <Gov_bot> ya think Your_mom_arma ?
07:28 <GodTodd> maybe he was aiming for a jew
07:28 <luke-jr_> Gibson's one the few well-known Catholics, and he goes about apologizing so as not to offend Jews
07:28 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: not at all
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_ hates everybody, he's like the guy that founded Providence
07:28 <Your_mom_arma> im still trying to get it thru my thick skull
07:28 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: anti-Jewish
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: can't aim when you're drunk...
07:29 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: I have nothing against the semite race.
07:29 <Gov_bot> i like where this channel is going
07:29 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: well, he was drunk...so maybe he THOUGHT he could ;)
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> he was probably aiming at 3 people, heh
07:30 <luke-jr_> kill 3 birds with one stone?
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> *car
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> he wasn't driving a stone.  Drinking and driving a stone isn't illegal anywhere, afaik
07:30 <luke-jr_> sure?
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> maybe in Iran, but drinking is illegal there by itself
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07:31 <luke-jr_> wow, nice
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, Muslim extremists apparently make sensible laws, eh?
07:31 <Your_mom_arma> Gov_bot left the room (quit: ">-;;,ccc3").
07:31 <luke-jr_> a bunch of teens decided to go nude in public in Vermont, BTW
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> you'd probably love being a Muslim extremist.  You're already sexist as hell, and you hate everybody.  What's the real difference?
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> Nothing at all.
07:31 <Your_mom_arma> luke who cares about nudism?
07:32 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: shrug
07:32 <GodTodd> Your_mom_arma: i do! the more the better! heh
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> in Texas people only pay lip service to modesty.  :)
07:32 <luke-jr_> see
07:32 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
07:32 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma, dont you kknow that thats the 11th commandment
07:32 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: meaning?
07:32 <Your_mom_arma> ?
07:32 <DrJoeTron> "Thou shall be ashamed of ones own anatomy"
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> meaning people in Texas dress very sensibly, considering the weather here.
07:32 <DrJoeTron> thats what moral orel taught me
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: does it matter if I have a little dick?  Should I still be ashamed of it?
07:33 <Your_mom_arma> heh
07:33 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: nah, nudity in itself is fine
07:33 <Your_mom_arma> that show is for the weak
07:33 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: the problem is when people around you have dirty minds
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> a little cocaine will clean that right up
07:33 <DrJoeTron> define dirty
07:34 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: lustful
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> brain surgeon forgets to wash his hands
07:34 <Your_mom_arma> disimbowled and on dirt?
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> bad heroin?
07:34 <DrJoeTron> or thinking about gardening?
07:34 <luke-jr_> bad opium?
07:34 <GodTodd> there's bad heroin?
07:34 <Your_mom_arma> sure
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, stuff that's not terribly clean is *dirty*
07:35 <DrJoeTron> is every one drunk tonight?
07:35 <luke-jr_> heroines are all bad cuz they do men's job
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> and that shit goes to your head!
07:35 <luke-jr_> =p
07:35 <Your_mom_arma> no
07:35 <DrJoeTron> ok
07:35 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: mentally, maybe
07:35 <DrJoeTron> it seems like im the only one tonight
07:35  * Lucifer_arma isn't drunk
07:35 <DrJoeTron> ok, finally
07:35  * luke-jr_ might as well be
07:35 <DrJoeTron> ive been getting drunk calls and instant messages all fucking night
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> nah, you don't really want to get any dumber than you already are
07:35 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: what's ur #
07:35  * GodTodd isn't as think as you drunk he is.
07:35 <Your_mom_arma>  luke-jr_: heroines are all bad cuz they do men's job
07:36 <DrJoeTron> 867-5309
07:36 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: area code
07:36 <DrJoeTron> 555
07:36 <luke-jr_> bs
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> is that eat shit?
07:36 <GodTodd> he lives with jenny ;)
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> no, nvm
07:36 <DrJoeTron> thats jenny's number :p
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> haha
07:36 <luke-jr_> who
07:36 <DrJoeTron> i got her number guys
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> talk show jenny?
07:36 <Your_mom_arma> 362-4368?
07:36 <luke-jr_> my sister?
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> your sister has a trash tv show?
07:36 <DrJoeTron> all can be ight!
07:36 <GodTodd> you wanna do what to your sister?
07:37 <DrJoeTron> right*
07:37 <luke-jr_> lol
07:37 <luke-jr_> what's DrJoeTron 's phone #
07:37 <luke-jr_> incl area code
07:37 <DrJoeTron> yeah, dont call me
07:37 <GodTodd> 123-456-7890
07:37 <Your_mom_arma> dirty deeds
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma already gave part of it
07:37 <luke-jr_> if DrJoeTron tells me first, I call once
07:37 <luke-jr_> if not, I tell comp to call him all night
07:37 <DrJoeTron> that sounds like black mail
07:37 <luke-jr_> and leave messages w/ music
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> #google DrJoeTron's phone number
07:37 <luke-jr_> lol
07:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No matches found. (Search took 0.42 seconds)
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> he doesn't have one
07:38 <DrJoeTron> i traded it for a vcr
07:38  * luke-jr_ tells the computer to try 362-4368 in every area code
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> don't know if you got a good deal, hmmmm
07:38 <DrJoeTron> it seemed right at the time
07:38 <GodTodd> #google luke-jr_'s morality
07:38 <DrJoeTron> it came with billy madison stuck in it
07:38 <Your_mom_arma> i wish i had that phone number
07:38 <armabot> GodTodd: No matches found. (Search took 0.31 seconds)
07:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's not bad then
07:38 <GodTodd> ha! i was right! luke has no morality!
07:38 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: I'm immortal! =p
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> would have been better if you'd have gotten something from that Jewish guy
07:39 <GodTodd> ummm MORALity
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> he can't spell either, apparently
07:39 <luke-jr_> no, morality is God's, not mine
07:39 <GodTodd> like...sense of right and wrong
07:39 <luke-jr_> =p
07:39 <DrJoeTron> God?
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> he's Dr. Righteous
07:39 <DrJoeTron> BONO!?
07:39 <luke-jr_> kami!?
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> He's got the answer, to all my problems
07:39 <Your_mom_arma> bono pff
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> says he'll decide what I should hear and see
07:39 <DrJoeTron> bono thinks he's god
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> I try to turn to another station
07:39 <DrJoeTron> so he must be
07:39 <Lucifer_arma> all I get is more of his morality
07:40 <luke-jr_> what does foobar mean?
07:40 <DrJoeTron> man god sure did change his tone when he had that kid of his
07:40 <GodTodd> it means fubar
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> fubar = fucked up beyond all recognition
07:40 <GodTodd> yeah...that
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> fatherhood does that to you
07:40 <Lucifer_arma> I mellowed a bit too, you know
07:40 <luke-jr_>             echo "You are not licensed to use this software."
07:41 <DrJoeTron> ive been told ive mellowed since high school
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> that usually means you've wussed out
07:41 <DrJoeTron> yeah, i know
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> have you wussed out, DrJoeTron ?
07:41 <Your_mom_arma> haha
07:41 <DrJoeTron> fuck no, im a BAD DUDE
07:41 <Your_mom_arma> barf Throws coins
07:41 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: wuss
07:41 <Lucifer_arma> My name is. Can i ask you?  <-- errrr, what?
07:42 <luke-jr_>             echo "develop free software."
07:42 <luke-jr_>         echo "Invalid license key. Please check the license key."
07:42 <Your_mom_arma> ?
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?  we care....?
07:42 <GodTodd> i think luke needs rebooted....
07:42 <luke-jr_>     elif [ "$PLATFORM_MAC" = "yes" ]; then
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> luke's having an argument with some stupid program and he has to nag us with it?
07:43 <Your_mom_arma> what are you guys talking about.. you lost me
07:43 <DrJoeTron> yeah me too
07:43 <Your_mom_arma> ah
07:43 <luke-jr_> OPT_CONFIRM_LICENSE=no
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> he's apparently writing a shell script here instead of in his text editor
07:43 <DrJoeTron> im gonna look up new drum kits in the mean time
07:43 <luke-jr_> # check SQL drivers, mouse drivers and decorations available in this package
07:43 <armabot> luke-jr_: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
07:43 <DrJoeTron> got my eyes set on this Pearl ELX
07:43 <luke-jr_> armabot: stfu
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> mmmm, pearl
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> you're a drummer, joe?
07:43 <luke-jr_>             CFG_UNIVERSAL_BINARY="$VAL"
07:44 <DrJoeTron> 10 years :D
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> STOP THAT
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> drums are fun :)
07:44 <luke-jr_>     # symlink the mkspecs directory
07:44 <DrJoeTron> you bet
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> you should move to Austin now so we can start a band :)
07:44 <luke-jr_>         PLATFORM=hurd-g++
07:44 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
07:44 <Your_mom_arma> i need to practice playing guitar more
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'll play bass, you play drums, we don't need anything else
07:44 <DrJoeTron> yeah man
07:44 <luke-jr_>     echo "   Please contact qt-bugs@trolltech.com."
07:44  * GodTodd sends luke to Isreal.
07:44 <Lucifer_arma>  /ignore luke-jr_ 
07:44  * luke-jr_ stopped
07:45 <DrJoeTron> im not the biggest fan of pearl
07:45 <luke-jr_> you were supposed to guess where it came from
07:45 <DrJoeTron> but this ELX sounds great
07:45 <Your_mom_arma> trolltech i think they're just messing with you now
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> that assumes we cared in the first place
07:45 <DrJoeTron> and my uncle is sponsored by them so i can get deals too
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: you actually seen it, or just looking at a catalog?
07:45 <DrJoeTron> seen it
07:45 <luke-jr_> aww it could be a game
07:45 <DrJoeTron> and now im looking it up
07:45  * GodTodd writes another commandment: "Thou shalt not spam irc with inane shit."
07:46 <DrJoeTron> my uncle was in a one-hit-wonder band
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> really?  which one?
07:46 <DrJoeTron> Ides of March
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> hahahahahaha
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> I'm your Vehicle baby
07:46 <DrJoeTron> hahaha yeah!
07:46 <DrJoeTron> small world isnt it
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> that song rocks!
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> I love that song!  :)
07:46 <DrJoeTron> yeah, my uncles the drummer
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's got great horns, man
07:47 <DrJoeTron> haha
07:47 <luke-jr_> ...
07:47 <luke-jr_> so DrJoeTron listens to it
07:47 <DrJoeTron> i did!
07:47 <luke-jr_> I know
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> admittedly my first exposure to it was when we played it in high school marching band, heh
07:47 <DrJoeTron> i know you can see what im listening to
07:47 <luke-jr_> I know everything DrJoeTron listens to =p
07:47 <luke-jr_> cuz it pops up that little box on my screen
07:48 <luke-jr_> and says so
07:48 <DrJoeTron> haha really? 
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> yeah :)
07:48 <luke-jr_> yes
07:48 <DrJoeTron> yeah i know, its a a feature on google talk
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> it was a lot of fun
07:48 <DrJoeTron> marching band ruined alot of bands for me
07:48 <luke-jr_> I don't use GTalk =p
07:48 <DrJoeTron> chicago being one of them
07:48 <luke-jr_> it's a Psi feature too =p
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, can't listen to Hip to Be Square anymore, that's for sure, but other than that, marching band and later the symphonic shit just opened up worlds for me
07:49 <DrJoeTron> it almost ruined Tower of Power for me
07:49 <DrJoeTron> and earth wind and fire
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> my brother ruined more bands for me than anything else with his crazy blues shit
07:49 <DrJoeTron> haha
07:49 <DrJoeTron> what did you play in band?
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> "Man, you're not playing real guitar if you're not playing blues, here, I'll play a shitty rendition of something I never heard before so you can see what I mean"
07:49  * Lucifer_arma played clarinet
07:49 <DrJoeTron> hahaha!
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> because my mom thought drums weren't a real instrument
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> and I've been holding it against her ever since
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> what did you play?
07:50 <DrJoeTron> cymbals 1 year, quad 2 years, and then lead snare 1 year
07:50 <DrJoeTron> quads are fun as all hell
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh, you probably had a lot of real fun then.  :)
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> those are toms, right?
07:50 <DrJoeTron> yeah
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> and they sound really neat.  :)
07:51 <DrJoeTron> we got in sooo much trouble
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> drummers always get in trouble
07:51 <DrJoeTron> not just tee hee shit
07:51 <DrJoeTron> oh man one year for doing drills
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> it goes with the territory.  I mean, come on, you guys are the least respected people in the band, but the ones the band needs the most
07:52  * Your_mom_arma has heard band stories from DrJoeTron before
07:52 <luke-jr_> drums aren't an instrument
07:52 <luke-jr_> they're percussion =p
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now I'm realling ignoring luke-jr_ 
07:52 <luke-jr_> aww
07:52 <DrJoeTron> best one ever was when we had to spell ROCK on a football field
07:52 <Your_mom_arma> haha
07:52 <DrJoeTron> well when you know how to talk to people, that "R" can easily be changed to a "C"
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> and you accidentally spell it with an F and a U?
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> haha, did you really spell COCK on the field during a real show?
07:53 <DrJoeTron> rehearsel with a bunch a parents comming by to watch
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:53 <Your_mom_arma> its still funny
07:53  * Lucifer_arma notes his band never spelled words
07:53 <DrJoeTron> neither did we after that
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> haha
07:54 <DrJoeTron> yeah luke-jr_ you're pretty much dead to me
07:54 <DrJoeTron> yeah Your_mom_arma  has heard some of my stories
07:54 <DrJoeTron> getting suspended being involved
07:54  * Lucifer_arma doesn't have any fun stories about his marching band, a bunch of uptight pricks they were
07:54 <DrJoeTron> oh we had them
07:55 <DrJoeTron> we even had our own "percussion room"
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> I cut out after the second semester of marching and went into computers for awhile instead
07:55 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: what do you expect in an uptight prick of a town? :P
07:55 <DrJoeTron> we brought in a recliner, tv N64, and an ice crusher
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, this is like 90% uptight pricks, 9% just-like-luke-jr
07:55 <DrJoeTron> most was removed cept for the ice crusher and the recliner
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> and of the remaining 1%, apparently there was only 1 person not too wussy to speak up, and I quit after 2 semesters (I already said that)
07:56 <DrJoeTron> because someone burnt popcorn and we kept watching movies full blast
07:56 <DrJoeTron> jurassic park was too loud :/
07:56 <GodTodd> you didn't tell them you were studying the drumwork in the soundtrack?
07:57 <DrJoeTron> well see this was when he was cool
07:57 <Your_mom_arma> good answer godtodd
07:57 <DrJoeTron> we would talk to him about star wars and nes games
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't work, though.  I tried playing ...And Justice for All and got in trouble.  That's like the most fun, really.
07:57 <DrJoeTron> and his brand new 9200!
07:58 <DrJoeTron> so he can play AVP on his pc
07:58 <DrJoeTron> he was pulling the "im your friend AND Teacher! :D :D!
07:58 <DrJoeTron> which didnt work
07:58 <DrJoeTron> and ended up getting us suspended because it shifted to fast
07:58 <DrJoeTron> mom knows THAT story
07:59 <DrJoeTron> he was a fairly young guy
07:59 <DrJoeTron> he was like 28 when i left
08:00 <Your_mom_arma> its a good story
08:00 <DrJoeTron> they're running the whole marathon of supergroup
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08:25 <Your_mom_arma> you can see his stripes but you know he's mean
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> you know GWAR's an Austin band, right?  ;)
08:25  * Your_mom_arma doesnt really like gwar
08:26 <DrJoeTron> you go for their shows
08:26 <DrJoeTron> their shows are wild
08:26  * Lucifer_arma never really gave them much of a listen, but they don't play either
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> they're just KISS in metal, just a spectacle.  Go see them the same reasons you go to the circus
08:26 <Your_mom_arma> haha
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> I actually thought kiss was the best when they took off their makeup, I'm such a heretic
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> man, someone in the parking lot at my school was blasting Cruel Summer the other day in the parking lot
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> got that damn xylophone line stuck in my head for hours
08:28  * Lucifer_arma loves 80s chick rock
08:29 <DrJoeTron> haha
08:29 <DrJoeTron> like styx and asia?
08:37 <Your_mom_arma> joe wait, your quitting arma because swampland and shrunkland are filled with 13 year olds?
08:37 <Your_mom_arma> you only found that out now?
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> styx isn't chick rock and they're not 80s :)
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> I do like the half of Mr Roboto that isn't cheezy love songs and I'm not ashamed to admit it
08:38 <Your_mom_arma> cher?
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> 70s
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> banarama, the bangles, Vixen, a few others
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> Pat Benatar did most of her stuff in the 80s
08:39 <Your_mom_arma> Bananarama mixtape
08:39 <GodTodd> go-gos!
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> I love the Hero song but I don't remember who did that
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the Go-Gos and Belinda Carlisle when she went solo
08:40 <DrJoeTron> sort of, i mean i ended up kicking all of them out
08:40 <DrJoeTron> but when thats all you see all day
08:40 <GodTodd> i dunno tho....walk like an egyptian has always annoyed me for some reason...
08:40 <DrJoeTron> it turns into not very fun fast
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> Manic Monday's a fun song :)
08:40 <GodTodd> i like that one
08:40 <Your_mom_arma> pretty much why fortress was fun
08:40 <Your_mom_arma> its a double edge sword
08:40 <DrJoeTron> heh
08:41 <DrJoeTron> yeah tahts why i went to fortress
08:41 <Your_mom_arma> dont know how to grind = kick
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> and the one that goes "I need a hero"
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> I forget who did it, was it Tina Turner?
08:41 <Your_mom_arma> that song makes me think of someone running in place
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> I love the song she did for Thunderdome, but I don't remember it right now
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> Seattle (the good thing they had) had an 80s rock station that played a lot of it, and it was fun
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> then it switched to some other format and started sucking like all the rest of the radio up there
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> and "ain't nothing gonna breaka my stride!  Ain't nothing gonna slow me down, oh no, I've got to keep on movin'!"
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> only I think a man sang it, heh
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.olga.net/   <--- this is annoying as shit
08:45 <GodTodd> shit's not really annoying....stinky tho :/
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> I need someone to jam with :/
08:47 <DrJoeTron> does too :/
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh, move to austin :)
08:47 <DrJoeTron> move to chicago ;)
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> no chance man.  I need lower lattitudes or my sleep gets all fucked up
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> I'd go further south if that didn't mean moving to Mexico
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> when I lived in Seattle, in the summer time I'd be awake for 30 hours and then sleep for 10
08:49 <GodTodd> heh....texas goes a looooooot further south :P
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> in the winter it was the reverse.  It sucked hardcore
08:49 <DrJoeTron> you're in the same time zone man
08:49 <DrJoeTron> i'll show you how to have a good time in the snow ;)
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> longitude isn't the problem, it's latitude
08:50 <DrJoeTron> man north its where its at
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> there's not a lot of variation between day lengths here, but it's still enough to screw me for Christmas, but it's not that bad
08:50 <DrJoeTron> winters are really bleak here
08:50 <DrJoeTron> like especially february
08:50 <DrJoeTron> like the sun?
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> it's like this.  If I lived in Alaska, I'd sleep 3 months out of the year and I'd be awake for 3 months.  That's one day.
08:50 <DrJoeTron> bet you dont!
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> I like regular sleep cycles, that's what I like.
08:51 <DrJoeTron> its not THAT extreme
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it is, actually.  :(
08:51 <DrJoeTron> in chicago?
08:51 <DrJoeTron> trust me
08:51 <DrJoeTron> ive been in houstin
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, no, but it'd be like living in Seattle again
08:51 <DrJoeTron> nope
08:51 <DrJoeTron> we're farther down
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> maybe less rain, but the sun still does the same shit
08:51 <DrJoeTron> seattle is fucking bleak has hell
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> really?  how much farther down?  a couple of degrees?  How long is the summer solstice compared to the winter solstice?
08:52 <DrJoeTron> the shortest day here is like 8 to 4
08:52 <DrJoeTron> for winter solstive
08:52 <DrJoeTron> c*
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> and the longest is like 6am->2am?
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> I might be exaggerating seattle a little bit
08:52 <DrJoeTron> #g summer solstice in illinois
08:52 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:53 <DrJoeTron> it doesnt exsist
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> [CHI]  41.90   87.65  Chicago,IL
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> [SEA]  47.45  122.30  Seattle,WA
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> just under 6 degrees
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> [AUS]  30.30   97.70  Austin,TX
08:54 <DrJoeTron> wow now way
08:54 <DrJoeTron> no*
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> let's see now
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> s = r-theta, right?  but r has to be in radians
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> #g 6 degrees in radians
08:55 <armabot> 6 degrees = 0.104719755 radians
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> er, theta has to be in radians
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> #g radius of earth
08:55 <armabot> radius of Earth = 6,378.1 kilometers
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> #g radius of earth in miles
08:55 <armabot> radius of Earth = 3,963.1676 miles
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> #g 0.104719755 * 3,963.1676
08:55 <armabot> 0.104719755 * 3,963.1676 = 415.02194
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> so 415 miles n/s between seattle and chicago
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> #g 11 degrees in radians
08:56 <armabot> 11 degrees = 0.191986218 radians
08:56 <DrJoeTron> ...road trip?
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> #g 0.191986218 * 3,963.1676
08:56 <armabot> 0.191986218 * 3,963.1676 = 760.873559
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> 760 miles n/s between Austin and Chicago
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> no, s = r-theta is arclength on a circle
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> if the angle is 2pi, then you the arclength formula becomes the circumference formula
08:58  * Lucifer_arma just threw trig at a drummer, hopes he didn't hurt hiim
08:59  * Lucifer_arma wants to study spherical trig, that looks really neat.
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> Brownsville is the southern-most city in Texas, right?
09:00 <DrJoeTron> hahah
09:01 <DrJoeTron> doesnt now
09:01 <DrJoeTron> know*
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> that's only at 25.9 degrees
09:02 <Lucifer_arma> the earth's only inclined at 7.25 degrees or so
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, 23.5 degrees is the tilt
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> in relation to the sun.  So there you go.  I'm right now about 7 degrees north of where the days are about 12/12 day/night
09:05 <DrJoeTron> haha
09:08 <Lucifer_arma> aha, I'm in the subtropical zone, and you're in the "temperate" zone
09:10 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i'm using pykde because i wanted a KDE app :P
09:11 <wrtlprnft> and actually most of the stuff is from menusample.py :P
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I'm not objecting to using pyKDE.  :)  I'm objecting to marrying it.  You can get KDE integration and still have most of the program be more portable.
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> but it's yours, so it's up to you what to do with it, of course.
09:11 <wrtlprnft> well, does QT support tray icons?
09:11 <Lucifer_arma> I was considering hacking together a big main window for you, but got stuck on all the kde stuff
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> no, Qt doesn't, you'd have to do the tray icon in a platform abstraction layer
09:12 <Lucifer_arma> pyXlib or whatever it's called might get you tray icons a different way
09:12 <wrtlprnft> currently the app consists only of a tray icon
09:13 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but it would be neat if it showed a nice list of servers in the main window complete with website links, stats, and stuff
09:14 <wrtlprnft> but sure you could make a QT main window for me :P
09:14 <DrJoeTron> how about a net jam :p
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd be happy to, but I don't know enough pyKDE to split out the tray stuff to do it.  :/
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: latency is the issue there
09:14 <DrJoeTron> oh i totally know
09:14 <DrJoeTron> from where you are
09:15 <wrtlprnft> the reason why I don't think a big main window is that important is the fact that there a plenty of online server viewers
09:15 <DrJoeTron> shit on teamspeak its horrible
09:15 <DrJoeTron> we tried fortress
09:15 <DrJoeTron> its like a 2-4 second delay
09:15 <wrtlprnft> http://armagetron.de/monitor.html
09:15 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: yeah, but there's nothing that's really interactive.  :)  It wouldn't take you much to do the one that rules them all
09:15 <wrtlprnft> http://electricpotential.net/servers.php
09:16 <wrtlprnft> http://beta.armagetronad.net/serverlist.php
09:16 <Lucifer_arma> well, what else would you put in the main window then?
09:17 <wrtlprnft> a confi screen?
09:17 <wrtlprnft> *config
09:17 <wrtlprnft> where you can set your favorite servers, for examples
09:17 <wrtlprnft> those would have a star in front of them in the menu and appear even if they're empty
09:17 <wrtlprnft> or a regex- based buddy list
09:17 <Lucifer_arma> that does limit the app down to pretty much just what it does now, which isn't necessarily a bad thing
09:18 <wrtlprnft> so if those people are online it hilights them in the player list
09:18 <wrtlprnft> or things like a map editor
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> right, maybe pop up a bubble or something like Kopete does to tell you when your watched buddies are online
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> I always thought a map editor in armaspy was out of place, heh
09:19 <wrtlprnft> probably is
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> not that a map editor wouldn't fit in there, just that it seemed like there was a lot of other stuff more worthwhile putting there first
09:19 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i should make it a seperate app
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> also, if it's going to be Qt-based, it should probably be Qt4 so you can release under Windows (assuming someone builds it for windows, of course)
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> don't know how the interaction between Qt4 and pyKDE is though, pyKDE has to be tied to KDE version pretty seriously for obvious reasons
09:20 <wrtlprnft> i can convert all the KBlah classes i have right now to QBlah
09:20 <wrtlprnft> with the exeption of KSystray
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> I got stuck on the KActionList part and was looking at pretty much rewriting what you had, which I didn't really feel like doing
09:21 <wrtlprnft> g2g now, sorry
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> then started wondering over to my budget program, heh.  I really need to finish where I was at so I can start using it.
09:21 <Lucifer_arma> ko
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, it's a neat little app, I'd like to help but don't know enough about pyKDE to really jump in, and don't have time to learn it right now :/
09:22 <DrJoeTron> ko is fun to say :D
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> you know what else is fun to say?
09:23 <DrJoeTron> toothbrush!
09:23 <DrJoeTron> erm
09:30 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron eats CockTron
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> heh, you should change your name to Jonny CockTron
09:33 <DrJoeTron> this should get all of the chicks
09:34 <DrJoeTron> man why is arma getting so retarded
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> it's not, we're just in a low part of the player cycle.  It'll turn back up eventually, hopefully sooner rather than later
09:34 <DrJoeTron> and oh god, fucking audrey, i usually dont have a problem with him, but he sure needs a brick to head when he starts fights out of sheer boredom
09:35 <DrJoeTron> Player 1: Hi 
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, maybe someone should start plotting number of smegheads vs non-smegheads over time so we can get an idea what the function actually looks like
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> Audrey: You fucking stupid dickhead
09:35 <DrJoeTron> haha thank you
09:35 <Lucifer_arma> Audrey: I'm smarter than you'll ever think you are
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> Audrey: Is "Hi" all you can say?
09:36 <DrJoeTron> nothing was greater than catching audrey being racist
09:36 <DrJoeTron> which is the only policy i have on my server
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> why is he still playing?  He's like pissed off everyone around here, he can't be welcome anywhere now, why's he still play?
09:36 <DrJoeTron> the term "white trash" is technically racial banter
09:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, my family's white trash, so is it racist if I call someone else white trash?
09:37 <DrJoeTron> yup
09:37 <DrJoeTron> its the white part
09:37 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, come on man, my parents live in a trailer and my mom works at wal-mart
09:37 <Lucifer_arma> of course, my sister's a chemist, I'm a programmer, and one of my brothers has the security company watching Virgin Galactic's hangar :)
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> so I guess it's more like "my parents are white trash", heh
09:38 <DrJoeTron> haha
09:38 <DrJoeTron> but yeah
09:38 <Lucifer_arma> would you kick me for going in there as Peckerwood?  That's one of my favorite aliases!
09:39 <DrJoeTron> audrey only comes on when he see's invader, fonkay, or I  on
09:39 <DrJoeTron> and when he isnt on a mean streak he usually talks to me about video games
09:40 <DrJoeTron> in which is really pleasent
09:40 <DrJoeTron> but man
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> he quit being capable of holding a conversation with me a long time ago.  He doesn't disagree with people very well at all.
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> if he could just agree to disagree, he'd be fine.  But he can't.  He's worse than luke-jr_ with always needing to be right
09:41 <DrJoeTron> yeah he does
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, as soon as you dare suggest he might be wrong, he starts ranting about all the idiots in the world (and it includes you because you hinted you might think he ws wrong)
09:42 <DrJoeTron> and then when he gets pinned he pulls the "i'm innocent and have done nothing" card
09:42 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I don't have a problem with strong opinions, I've got plenty of my own.  But I'm no stockpile of wisdom or anything, and neither is he.
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they call that the Martyr Syndrome, heh.  (I just made that up)
09:43 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
09:43 <DrJoeTron> thats what i called him too
09:43 <DrJoeTron> he found out the password for my server
09:43 <DrJoeTron> because invader fucked it up
09:43 <DrJoeTron> and started using it on my mods
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> heh, he was the guy that figured it out?
09:43 <DrJoeTron> nah
09:43 <DrJoeTron> turned out the little shit kid never did
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'd firewall hiim out of my server
09:44 <DrJoeTron> he just said he did and changed his name to Admin
09:44 <DrJoeTron> either way the kid was banned
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, pretending to be Admin is a banning offense
09:44 <DrJoeTron> he said the password was "lobbyfun"
09:45 <DrJoeTron> oh well
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> you really need to upgrade.  Borking the password doesn't throw it out for all to see anymore
09:45 <DrJoeTron> its 2.8.2 man
09:45 <DrJoeTron> invader just is a klutz
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> how could invader fuck that up?
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, that's F3->type password here
09:45 <DrJoeTron> he some how did it
09:46 <DrJoeTron> i mean audrey hinted to me "y'know vader has been pretty sloppy with the password"
09:46 <DrJoeTron> i just looked the other way
09:46 <DrJoeTron> but man
09:46 <DrJoeTron> i dont think ive ever been more pissed
09:46 <DrJoeTron> about that game
09:46 <DrJoeTron> i couldnt do anything because i wanted to still play at swampland
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, I think the password and all remote admin should be handled in the console instead
09:46 <DrJoeTron> shrunkland*
09:46 <DrJoeTron> you think?
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> silly doesn't have the shrunkland password anymore, does he?
09:46 <DrJoeTron> YOU THINK
09:46 <DrJoeTron> nope!
09:47 <DrJoeTron> it was swampy, silly, and i
09:47 <DrJoeTron> now its just swampy and i
09:47 <DrJoeTron> it should ALWAYS have been through the console
09:48 <DrJoeTron> speaking of
09:48  * Lucifer_arma notes he's never handed out the remote admin password for his server
09:48 <DrJoeTron> i do, i dont really care anymore
09:49 <DrJoeTron> and i dont want jerks on my server
09:49 <DrJoeTron> the only person who was over kill was kamp
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> well, when I decided I was tired of the headache of running a server I just took mine down
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> nobody's complained yet.  I swear, people bitched when I ran my server, and when I took it down they all got quiet.
09:49 <DrJoeTron> oh trust me
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> Why bother bitching if you hated it so much you don't care if it's gone?
09:50 <DrJoeTron> i took all of your users thats why :p
09:50 <DrJoeTron> i think theres a decline in high speed servers comming up
09:50 <DrJoeTron> alot of people keep asking me how to run a server per usual
09:51 <DrJoeTron> and all are wanting to be low speeds
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, as long as the game is full of people who classify servers as either "rubber" or "fortress", I'm in no hurry to fire up my client
09:51 <DrJoeTron> and smaller grid
09:51 <DrJoeTron> im trying to rid of them
09:51 <DrJoeTron> but trying too nicely
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> what do you call a low-rubber server without fortress zones?
09:52 <DrJoeTron> BORING DURRR
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:52 <DrJoeTron> Imma play socom now lol
09:52 <DrJoeTron> and the halo
09:52 <DrJoeTron> oh man
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> I just got so tired of everyone bitching and/or attacking people I figured I had better things to do.  I'll try to make the game itself better, but man, fuck the players.
09:53 <DrJoeTron> yeah its turning into the angsty teen bitch line
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to worry about local game, seriously.  Good AIs and puzzles and stuff to solve, that's what I want now, so I can play by myself.
09:53 <DrJoeTron> please do so
09:53 <DrJoeTron> because multiplay is nothing without single play
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> unfortunately, the code is so internet-play-specific that it's going to be awhile, and a lot of work, if it ever happens :/
09:54 <DrJoeTron> oh well
09:54 <DrJoeTron> and clans man
09:54 <DrJoeTron> Clans
09:54 <DrJoeTron> why
09:54 <DrJoeTron> they dont stop
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> clans are sprouting up like cancers
09:54 <DrJoeTron> yeah
09:55 <DrJoeTron> really
09:55 <DrJoeTron> i saw a new one dubbed "the dudes"
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> I think we got invaded by frat-boys
09:55 <GodTodd> insecure people have an innate need to "belong"?
09:55 <DrJoeTron> frat-boys woduld be much better than 14 year olds from Mr. Ferridorths Health Class
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what it is, man.  I think they are insecure kids, because every clan is all about being better than everyone else.
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> There's no fun in it anymore, now it's all about superiority
09:56 <DrJoeTron> its not even that man
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> and the racism and prejudice in the game has skyrocketed
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> when I started playing, it was a very tolerant and welcoming community
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> now if you suggest tolerance, "stfu no0b"
09:56 <DrJoeTron> i ask them all the time "so what do you guys do" ...."i dnt no, lol ur ghey"
09:57 <DrJoeTron> see thats the thing
09:57 <DrJoeTron> im either exremely nice and very helping
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> or really pissy and mean, I've seen :)
09:57  * Lucifer_arma is the same way
09:57 <DrJoeTron> or "im totally going to run your sorry ass into the ground"
09:58 <DrJoeTron> we should run a server :D
09:58 <DrJoeTron> Lobster Pipe
09:58 <DrJoeTron> or Crack Lobster 
09:59 <DrJoeTron> Crobster Page?
09:59 <DrJoeTron> :\
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> Lobsters on Crack?
10:00 <DrJoeTron> there we go
10:00 <GodTodd> they'd be too skinny :/
10:00 <DrJoeTron> im thinkin crack settings with a 2 second single use turbo
10:00 <DrJoeTron> -15 
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> you know, if you me and swampy went in and started working on a server(s) together we might be able to straighten out a little niche in the community
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> might have fun servers again, I don't know
10:01 <DrJoeTron> i'd totally be down for that
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> I could bring up a new server for that
10:02 <DrJoeTron> this sounds like a super server in the making
10:02 <DrJoeTron> only we will be good
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> problem is, I'm really into team play now
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> we could go with team slaughter, the old team-style games
10:03 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
10:03 <DrJoeTron> is there a way to set it up so it switches around?
10:03 <Lucifer_arma> map rotation?
10:03 <DrJoeTron> yeah
10:03 <DrJoeTron> like
10:03 <Lucifer_arma> sure, I've got a program that does it.  It's currently match-based, though.
10:03 <Lucifer_arma> so you play the same map for the whole match.
10:03 <DrJoeTron> thats perfect
10:03 <DrJoeTron> i was also thinking
10:04 <DrJoeTron> is there a way to toggle it so its teams one match and then single play next
10:04 <DrJoeTron> i think that would be the greatest
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> technically yes, but I'm not sure how the game would compensate it
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> we'd need to test it, but I don't see why not.  The program lets you associate a settings file with a map
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> so you can change any setting you want between matches :)
10:05 <DrJoeTron> great!
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> I'll email swampy and see wht he thinks about it
10:05 <DrJoeTron> alright
10:05 <DrJoeTron> il thro up the teamspeak server too
10:05 <DrJoeTron> gomes doesnt give a shit
10:06 <DrJoeTron> he wants a community for it
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10:07 <Lucifer_arma> I can host a webserver for it, errr, website, or whatever.  I don't have a lot of time to develop it, though, so if you know someone who'd be willing....
10:15 <DrJoeTron> to run the actual server?
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> to make the website
10:16 <DrJoeTron> i spose i could
10:16 <DrJoeTron> what would you want for it?
10:17 <DrJoeTron> my knowledge in web design is pretty limited
10:17 <DrJoeTron> but i know enough
10:17 <DrJoeTron> to get something up
10:17 <DrJoeTron> www.w-w-c.net is my site
10:18 <DrJoeTron> i just use tables and photoshop the world
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, ideal is something for Drupal, because that lets us have our own little forums and add articles and stuff
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> that's the thing stopping me from setting up a swamplords site, I don't have time to build the template
10:21 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
10:21 <DrJoeTron> theres cutenews
10:21 <DrJoeTron> but that involves php
10:21 <DrJoeTron> i do have an updated version oh phpbb
10:21 <DrJoeTron> for message boards
10:24 <DrJoeTron> ive never ever used drupal
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> drupal's pretty easy when you get into it, and for regular users it shouldn't be a problem at all.
10:26 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
10:26 <DrJoeTron> i'll download it
10:26 <DrJoeTron> define easy
10:40 <Lucifer_arma> go fool with my website for a bit :)
10:40 <Lucifer_arma> www.davefancella.com
10:40 <Lucifer_arma> you know, post comments, look around, post more comments
10:41 <DrJoeTron> haha
10:41 <DrJoeTron> MySQL eh?
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10:42 <DrJoeTron> im gonna do graphics :p
10:43 <DrJoeTron> the*
10:45 <DrJoeTron> well i'll tinker with this system
10:46 <DrJoeTron> maybe i can get gomes to give me a hand if he isnt too busy
10:54 <DrJoeTron> alright
10:54 <DrJoeTron> i need some sleep
10:54 <DrJoeTron> we'll keep in touch :d
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11:32 <deja_vu> spidey Oo
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13:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6142 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eNetGameObject.cpp:
13:17 <armabot> armagetronad: currentFace is cleared on RemoveFromGame(); this avoids zombie game objects from
13:17 <armabot> armagetronad: referencing faces and the sub-faces resulting from grid changes forever. The
13:17 <armabot> armagetronad: same isn't required in eGameObject::RemoveFromGame(), since that one calls the
13:17 <armabot> armagetronad: destructor which does the same job.
13:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6143 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eGameObject.cpp: Fixed typo.
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13:19 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6144 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/nNetObject.cpp: Cosmetic type change.
14:23 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6145 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/ (7 files in 6 dirs):
14:23 <armabot> armagetronad: - tRuby::Sandbox::Load works again
14:23 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added 0.3 second timeout ePlayer evaluation safe
14:23 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added tError interface file
14:23 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added scripts/initialize.rb
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16:06 <wrtlprnft> did i miss anything?
16:14 <GodTodd> my coronation
16:24 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: actually, thinking about it, i see no reason to make a GUI for defining favorite servers :P
16:24 <wrtlprnft> just have it read arma's user.cfg and extract the server bookmarks :P
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17:16 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6146 /private/wrtlprnft/armaspyadvanced/armaspyadvanced.py:
17:16 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added half- working UI approach
17:16 <armabot> armagetronad: - The script now tries to extract the server bookmarks from user.cfg. It displays these servers even if empty and puts an icon in front of them.
17:17 <wrtlprnft> :)
17:18 <wrtlprnft> grr, has a bug
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17:48 <madmax|pt> Hello
17:48 <wrtlprnft> hi madmax|pt 
17:49 <wrtlprnft> someone tell my why durka suddenly decided to move his user page to the main namespace :s
17:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #hello
17:49 <armabot> Hello [Xpert]DarkStar :) Random Fortune: With your bare hands?!?
17:50 <wrtlprnft> …interesting… fortune
17:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes indeed
17:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #f
17:50 <armabot> Random Fortune: Q: What's the difference between Bell Labs and the Boy Scouts of America? || A: The Boy Scouts have adult supervision.
17:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
17:52 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6147 /private/wrtlprnft/armaspyadvanced/armaspyadvanced.py: removed duplicate entries after updates.
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17:54 <madmax|pt> armaspy?
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17:55 <rain> does the first match of the ladle start at 7.30 pm GMT?
17:59 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: armaspy advanced :P
18:00 <madmax|pt> ok, sooooo, whats that?
18:00 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaspyadvanced1.png
18:02 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=88301#88301
18:02 <madmax|pt> nice
18:02 <wrtlprnft> read the first post too
18:02 <wrtlprnft> brb
18:02 <wejp> what's the difference to my original armaspy?
18:04 <wrtlprnft> wejp: it's a KDE app, it shows the “real” server names and now supports server favorites
18:04 <wrtlprnft> and it's in python, so i can add more features :)
18:04 <wejp> where does it get its data from?
18:04 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverxml.php?stripcolors
18:05 <wrtlprnft> which in turn gets it from my master server every minute
18:05 <wejp> ah
18:06 <wrtlprnft> and i beleve it's the only server feed to contain the maximum number of players allowed on the servers
18:06 <wrtlprnft> *believe
18:07 <wrtlprnft> I did like your armaspy, but i wanted it to do more and didn't feel like doing plain C and GTK
18:07 <wrtlprnft> and libxml is a pain compared to python's XML parser
18:07 <wejp> ah ok
18:07 <wejp> i still like C
18:07 <wejp> it is a great language
18:08 <wrtlprnft> c++ is nice
18:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> bash owns :P
18:08 <wejp> hm
18:08 <wrtlprnft> i was thinking about doing it all in c++ instead of python, but then didn
18:08 <wejp> bash sucks, it's damn ugly
18:09 <wejp> i like c for its simplicity
18:09 <wrtlprnft> 't want to go through all the trouble with autoconf and makefiles and stuff
18:09  * wrtlprnft agrees with wejp on bash
18:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> >:(
18:13 <wrtlprnft> wejp: oh, another difference is that it lets you directly connect to a server
18:14 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6148 /private/wrtlprnft/armaspyadvanced/armaspyadvanced.py: more sensible default arma command.
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18:14 <wejp> so it starts armagetron then?
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18:38 <Comsn> yoooo
18:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi
18:38 <Comsn> <~ (ws) kamakazi 
18:38 <Comsn> whos running the ladle?
18:40 <Vanhayes> 2020 is like always I think
18:41 <Comsn> anytone seen blasze?
18:41 <Vanhayes> you mean spidey?
18:41 <Comsn> ya
18:41 <Vanhayes> #last --from spidey --with 2
18:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: [16:49:51] <spidey> cya in a day or 2
18:42 <Vanhayes> that was yesturday
18:42 <Comsn> hes our team captain
18:42 <Lackadaisical> kama write down which team ws is: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Challenge_Board
18:42 <Comsn> heh
18:43 <Comsn> the tourney starts in 2 hours right?
18:43 <Comsn> stupid GMT times
18:43 <Lackadaisical> um.. you mean 6.45 pm gmt?
18:44 <Comsn> 2 hours from now
18:44 <Comsn> or is it one hour?
18:44 <Comsn> ya
18:44 <Comsn> 6:45 pm gmt is 1:45pm est?
18:44 <Lackadaisical> well it would start then but because there arent enough teams we start at 7.30 pm gmt
18:44 <Comsn> ah
18:44 <Comsn> well thats some last minute change ;p
18:45 <Lackadaisical> it was the same last time, the finals are at a set time and we see how late we need to start to have all the matches played before then
18:45 <Comsn> so ladle starts when ?
18:46 <Comsn> how many hours from now ;p
18:46 <Lackadaisical> um.. two hours and 45 minutes?
18:46 <Lackadaisical> but.. it depends if you need to play in the quarter finals or not, not all teams have to because there aren't eight teams
18:47 <Comsn> howd o
18:47 <Lackadaisical> and if you play the quarter finals or not depends which team you are, which you need to write down on http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Challenge_Board
18:47 <Comsn> i know what number?
18:48 <Lackadaisical> you can pick one
18:48 <Comsn> ah
18:48 <Comsn> roll a dice or something... hmmm
18:49 <Lackadaisical> well if you pick team two you need to play aw in the first round
18:49 <Comsn> i've only seen one other teammate online 
18:49 <Comsn> i dont mind playing the best team first off
18:49 <Comsn> just need to find my team first
18:50 <Comsn> ok, cant irc and play fort at same  time... :)
18:51 <Lackadaisical> kama as its looking now you better sign up for team 3 or 4 or we will have too little teams for the next round
18:53 <Comsn> hehe
18:53 <Comsn> i'm just saying ... even after signing up, i dont know if anyone will show ;p
18:55 <Comsn> but ok
18:55 <Comsn> i put it in there ;p\
19:04 <Comsn> happy? :P
19:05 <Lackadaisical> yes
19:05 <Lackadaisical> well not really since sl hasn't put their team down
19:05 <Comsn> i saw sasha on 4team 
19:06 <Lackadaisical> yeah i talked to him -- not sure if he was gonna do anything about it
19:06 <wrtlprnft> AW practice is in 2 hours?
19:06 <Lackadaisical> yes
19:16 <Vanhayes> how long ago was it that AW was formed?
19:16 <Vanhayes> must be at least 6 months now
19:18 <Lackadaisical> there used to be a page with comments about that first match on the wiki but i cant find it anymore
19:27 <Vanhayes> ya its named somrthing like 06. 02.06 or something allong those lines
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19:30 <ghableska> hello
19:31 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska 
19:31 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
19:32 <wrtlprnft> hi ghableska 
19:32 <Vanhayes> so many old CVS(pre bugfarm) people on right now
19:32 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft
19:32 <ghableska> heh
19:32  * wrtlprnft still doesn't get why Durka messed everything up by moving his page :(
19:32 <ghableska> :(
19:33 <wrtlprnft> woo paypal sent me 18 cents(!)
19:33 <Vanhayes> wgat page?
19:33 <Vanhayes> what*
19:33 <wrtlprnft> [[User:Durka]]
19:33 <wrtlprnft> he moved it to [[Durka]]
19:33 <ghableska> O_o
19:33 <Vanhayes> ....
19:33 <Vanhayes> wow thats pointless
19:33 <Vanhayes> and wastefull
19:33 <wrtlprnft> to be exact, he didn't _move_ it
19:33 <Vanhayes> he created a new page?
19:34 <wrtlprnft> he made a new page and copied the contents
19:34 <wrtlprnft> and then deleted the old page's contents
19:34 <wrtlprnft> then decided a redirect would be better
19:34 <ghableska> wow
19:34 <wrtlprnft> then i had to move it back
19:34 <wrtlprnft> resulting in 4 more log entries
19:34 <ghableska> O_O
19:35 <wrtlprnft> (he moved the discussion page too)
19:35 <Vanhayes> he likes to do.... things to the wiki
19:35 <wrtlprnft> which doesn't contain any discussion
19:35 <ghableska> lol Vanhayes
19:36 <ghableska> hmm, did he make all sorts of colorful text this time?
19:36 <wrtlprnft> no
19:37 <wrtlprnft> but he made that page: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/We_Pwn_Noobs
19:37 <ghableska> ...
19:37 <wrtlprnft> contains a useless heading and lots of links to weird stuff
19:37 <wrtlprnft> i'm surprised bad behavior didn't ban him
19:37  * ghableska sighs
19:38 <wrtlprnft> well, i'm gonna leave it there...
19:39 <wrtlprnft> http://durdur.freehostia.com/ is …interesting…
19:39 <wrtlprnft> black text on black background
19:39 <wrtlprnft> and he's one of the guys who are obsessed with Comic Sans MS
19:39 <ghableska> lol
19:40 <wrtlprnft> to be exact, it's default colored text on black background
19:41 <wrtlprnft> the default text color being black in 99.9% of all cases
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19:43 <luke-jr_> eh
19:43 <luke-jr_> text colour is cyan
19:43 <wrtlprnft> err what?
19:44 <luke-jr_> the WPN site
19:44 <wrtlprnft> <body bgcolor=000000 vlink=4ebafa alink=4ebafa>
19:44 <wrtlprnft> besides the fact that 000000 isn
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19:44 <ghableska> hi Sticky
19:44 <wrtlprnft> 't a color at all it's probably meant to be black
19:44 <Sticky> hay
19:44 <wrtlprnft> hi Sticky 
19:45 <wrtlprnft> <font color=4ebafa face="comic sans ms" size=7>
19:45 <wrtlprnft> ah
19:45 <wrtlprnft> o well, but that still isn't a color
19:45 <Sticky> no ban comic sans
19:45  * wrtlprnft agrees
19:45  * wrtlprnft is talking about how much http://durdur.freehostia.com/ sucks
19:46 <Sticky> heh
19:46 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: CSS?
19:46 <luke-jr_> oh
19:46 <wrtlprnft> there is no CSS on that page
19:46 <Sticky> http://bancomicsans.com/
19:46 <nemostultae> the icons don't suck!
19:46 <wrtlprnft> just a font tag surrounding everything
19:50 <wrtlprnft> http://bancomicsans.com/image/AshmoreHouse.jpg
19:50 <wrtlprnft> someone tell me this isn't real
19:51 <Vanhayes> Im wondering why they had 4 different websites when all they really need was one link to their forums, the rest they could do on the wiki
19:51 <Vanhayes> didnt even really need the link either
19:52  * luke-jr_ notes the official forums have clan categories
19:52 <wrtlprnft> we do?
19:53 <Lackadaisical> i dont see it
19:53  * wrtlprnft has to be blind
19:54 <wrtlprnft> maybe he made it so developers can't see them?
19:54 <wrtlprnft> that would actually help considering the anticlan attitude of many devs
19:57  * Vanhayes looks at Lucifer_arma 
19:58 <ghableska> :P
19:59 <Vanhayes> hmm how many people does AW have for the ladle?
19:59 <Sticky> 12
19:59 <Sticky> i think
19:59 <ghableska> hmm
20:00 <Vanhayes> nvrm then
20:00 <Vanhayes> I had a sunden urge to play normal fortress
20:00  * Vanhayes might play for another team then
20:00 <ghableska> :-/
20:00 <Sticky> most have 12
20:01 <madmax|pt> lol Van
20:01 <Lackadaisical> hayes we are gonna see who is actually gonna play at 7pm gmt at Fortress - rains server
20:01 <Lackadaisical> if we are with 12 we could consider two teams?
20:02 <ghableska> would that be unfair?
20:02 <Vanhayes> well seems ws might need some people
20:03 <Vanhayes> Comsn: how many people do WS have now?
20:03 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6149 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/README-Subversion: Updated Mac OS X build instructions
20:05 <Comsn> what do you mean now?
20:05 <Comsn> i dont see anyone on msn ;p
20:06 <wrtlprnft> screw msn
20:06 <ghableska> heh
20:06 <Vanhayes> <Comsn> i'm just saying ... even after signing up, i dont know if anyone will show ;p
20:06 -!- Nixda563 [n=d4388014@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
20:07 <Vanhayes> name?
20:07  * wrtlprnft wonders if ed will hate me for running wget -r on his server
20:07 -!- Nixda563 is now known as i2020
20:07 <i2020> hi
20:07 <wrtlprnft> hi i2020 :)
20:07 <ghableska> hi i2020
20:07 <i2020> looks like captains have finally used the challenge board
20:08 <i2020> provisional playoffs have been determined
20:08 <i2020> just a matter of confirming, and locating the right servers for team captain satisfaction
20:08 <i2020> wow
20:08 <i2020> exciting
20:08 <i2020> you guys playing?
20:09 <Comsn> heh
20:09 <Comsn> as of right now, i am the only ws i know of online ;p
20:09 <Comsn> ashi was around somewhere
20:10 <Vanhayes> i2020: I might play for some team
20:10 <Comsn> spidey is on irc, but afk ;p
20:10  * wrtlprnft is playing
20:10 <Vanhayes> really didnt think I would this time
20:11 <i2020> some team...?
20:11 <i2020> really... why not?
20:13 -!- eggcozy [n=53d0387b@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
20:14 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * resources/ed/fortress/half-0.0.6.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
20:15 <Vanhayes> well school starts tuesday and I had alot of stuff I had to do before then, but I got it done last night so now Ill try to join a team
20:15 <wrtlprnft> join us or die :P
20:15 <wrtlprnft> jk
20:15 <Vanhayes> and since AW has 12 ill probly join another
20:15 <Vanhayes> well I dont want to die either.... :)
20:15 <wrtlprnft> oh no, we're gonna lose!
20:15 <ghableska> nooooo
20:15 <ghableska> :P
20:16  * wrtlprnft uses magic voodoo powers on Vanhayes 
20:16 <ghableska> haha
20:16 <madmax|pt> Being Van the original voodoo caster, i would be afraid
20:16 <Vanhayes> heh I just got that instant back too :)
20:16 <Sticky> well there are enough extras to make a few extra teams(if 5 a side)
20:16 <wrtlprnft> well, i'm gonna try to make a movie out of the ladle game(s) I'm gonna play
20:17 <wrtlprnft> maybe we should just make totally random teams next time
20:18 <Vanhayes> maybe ill create a team
20:18 <Vanhayes> maybe aill call us The Vananators
20:18 <Vanhayes> I'll*
20:18 <wrtlprnft> good luck
20:18 <wrtlprnft> you have 40 minutes to recruit 4 players
20:18 <Vanhayes> im sure anyone with the name van would join
20:18 <Sticky> need 2 teams tho unless you seed a team past the first round
20:19 <madmax|pt> #google fight smileys smilies
20:19 <armabot> madmax|pt: smilies: 136000000, smileys: 39400000
20:19 <Vanhayes> hmm actually I think im the only Van left :(
20:19 <ghableska> @anyone: when is AW meeting in rain's server?
20:19 <wrtlprnft> 10 minutes from now
20:19 <ghableska> oh
20:19 <Vanhayes> #last with fortress, 7
20:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns (1 more message)
20:19 <madmax|pt> ?, not 40 minutes from now?
20:19 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-216-188-42.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
20:19 <Vanhayes> #last --with fortress, 7
20:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns (1 more message)
20:20 <wrtlprnft> uh
20:20 <Sticky> yeah i thought 40 min form now
20:20 <wrtlprnft> i thought that was when the ladle started
20:20 <wrtlprnft> oh well, 40 minutes
20:20  * Vanhayes just completely forgot how #last works....
20:20  * wrtlprnft needs to compile a version of arma real quick
20:20 <wrtlprnft> #last --with fortress --with 7 --nolimit
20:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [22:50:53] <Vanhayes> #last --with fortress, 7, [22:50:47] <Vanhayes> #last with fortress, 7, [22:32:16] <Lackadaisical> hayes we are gonna see who is actually gonna play at 7pm gmt at Fortress - rains server, and [20:03:46] <rain> 7.00gmt on my server, called Fortress, all agree?
20:21 <Vanhayes> ah there we go, thx
20:21 <wrtlprnft> ye
20:21 <wrtlprnft> yw
20:21 <Vanhayes> alot smoother than my attempt
20:21 <Comsn> lol
20:21 <Comsn> omega?
20:21 <Sticky> heh never seen that feature of irc before
20:21 <Comsn> that was funnnnnyyyy
20:21 <i2020> with less than 8 teams, we have quarters beginning at 7.30 pm gmt
20:21 <Sticky> quite nice
20:21 <Comsn> so whens ladle start?
20:21 <Comsn> aynone tell me ? :p
20:21 <wrtlprnft> Sticky: it's a bot
20:21 <i2020> semis at 8.15 a
20:21 <Comsn> i need times from now
20:21 <i2020> and finals at 9pm gmt
20:21 <Comsn> e.g. 20 mins?
20:21 <Sticky> well yeah thats what i ment
20:21 <Comsn> 30 mins?
20:22 <Comsn> 15 mins?
20:22 <i2020> no aw meet in 40 mins
20:22 <i2020> and we should be on the grid playing half hour after that
20:22 <i2020> glad you could make it van...
20:22 <Sticky> start is in 1:10 hours
20:22 <Comsn> ah
20:22 <i2020> yes
20:22 <wrtlprnft> #f
20:22 <Comsn> thanks
20:22 <armabot> Random Fortune: Michelle: You expect me to live in a tiny little hole? || Fry: It'd be deeper, but I'm standing on a gopher.
20:25 <Vanhayes> heh, futurama
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma wanted me to include those
20:27 <wrtlprnft> Team 1 challenges Team 2 on LOD Fortress Server or Z-man's Tournament Fortress 
20:27 <wrtlprnft> Team 3 challenges Team 4 on AST or US Fortress Server 
20:27 <wrtlprnft> Team 5 challenges Team 6 on Bugfarm LOD Server or Wildwest -- Fortress (ladle) 
20:27 <wrtlprnft> Team 7 challenges Team 8 on AST or Dark Syndicates Fortress
20:27 <wrtlprnft> how come we play WS?
20:29 <Vanhayes> I think ill just show up to a game and see if anyone needs a filler
20:29 <i2020> the placements of what server is upto the captains.. all of it is provisional of course
20:29 <i2020> captains decide
20:30 <madmax|pt> btw, i already told lack i most likely wont be on rain's server in time, but i think i'll be cool with the first round at  7:30 GMT
20:31 <wrtlprnft> anyways, I'm gonna test the recording stuff too at 7PM
20:32 <wrtlprnft> if it lags like last time i won't record
20:32 <i2020> we may not have to play at 7.30 as it stands..
20:33 <i2020> since there are only 6 teams
20:33 <i2020> we should be in semis with wd
20:33 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: make your own one, go!
20:33 <i2020> ws
20:33 <madmax|pt> ok
20:34 <madmax|pt> Are you sending Van away wrtl?
20:34 <wrtlprnft> or we might split up totally
20:34 <wrtlprnft> well, it
20:34 <wrtlprnft> 'll all depend on how many AWs will show up
20:34 <madmax|pt> egg here too :D
20:35 <wrtlprnft> actually we could just split up for the first match (the one we don't need to play)
20:35 <wrtlprnft> just for practice
20:35 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
20:35 <ghableska> hmm
20:35 <madmax|pt> are you playing for a team egg?
20:35  * ghableska wonders how running into a fan killed his internet
20:36 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:36 <wrtlprnft> #shuffle
20:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (shuffle <arg> [<arg> ...]) -- Shuffles the arguments given it.
20:36 <wrtlprnft> #shuffle "2020" "~ }{Alex}{ ~" "ghableska" "Lackadaisical" "madmax" "Wrtlprnft" "Sticky" "Hay-Lin" "gArIsImO" "rain" "MaZuffeR" "featherfcuk"
20:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: MaZuffeR 2020 ~ }{Alex}{ ~ Wrtlprnft Lackadaisical madmax rain Sticky featherfcuk Hay-Lin gArIsImO ghableska
20:36 <ghableska> last? :P
20:36 <wrtlprnft> so MaZuffeR 2020 ~ }{Alex}{ ~ Wrtlprnft Lackadaisical madmax
20:36 <wrtlprnft> would be one team, rain Sticky featherfcuk Hay-Lin gArIsImO ghableska
20:36 <wrtlprnft> the other one
20:36 <ghableska> aww
20:36 <i2020> only if it is 5's
20:36 <wrtlprnft> we could split up like that in the first round
20:37 <wrtlprnft> the one we don't have to play anyways
20:37 <i2020> who knows.. .the problem is we don't know who will actually turn up
20:37 <wrtlprnft> then practice like that
20:37 <Sticky> 2 teams would be good
20:37 <i2020> what if they have full teams?
20:37 <madmax|pt> ive seen good things with 4 vs 7
20:37 <madmax|pt> :)
20:37 <wrtlprnft> I'd suggest the following algorythm to decide how many players are allowed to play on each team:
20:38 <wrtlprnft> 1) put a maximum or 8 players per team on the server
20:38 <wrtlprnft> 2) keep removing one player from each ream until
20:38 <wrtlprnft>   a) the teams are equeal
20:38 <Sticky> ta
20:38 <Sticky> that dosent work
20:38 <i2020> suppose so
20:38 <wrtlprnft> err
20:38 <madmax|pt> lol
20:39 <ghableska> o.0
20:39 <madmax|pt> well, i'll be back later
20:39 <wrtlprnft> 2) keep removing one player from the bigger team until
20:39 <Sticky> that just makes one team have 0
20:39 <i2020> i've seen amazing play 4v7 with 4 playing like gods
20:39 <wrtlprnft>   a) the teams are equeal
20:39 <madmax|pt> bye
20:39 <Sticky> ok
20:39 <i2020> qhehhe...
20:39 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-219-157.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["ftw?"]
20:39 <wrtlprnft>   b) the bigger team only has 5 players
20:39 <ghableska> cu madmax|pt
20:39 <wrtlprnft> that should work nicely
20:40 <i2020> if the team captains turn up here and give an idea of the size of their teams... then...
20:40 <i2020> that would be most useful
20:40 <Sticky> numPlayers = max(min(teamA,teamB),5)
20:40 <i2020> just like aw are doing... meeting up at 7pm.. establishing team count...
20:40 <wrtlprnft> maxPlayersPerTeam = max(min(teamA,teamB),5)
20:40 <i2020> and then gar if he turns up comes here and reports to the other captains
20:40 <Lackadaisical> i2020>	looks like captains have finally used the challenge board
20:40 <i2020> and they work it out...
20:41 <i2020> yeah... finally
20:41 <Lackadaisical> yeah i just pursued the three teams :P
20:41 <eggcozy> not sure if I will have time. trying to talk my girlfriend into cheerleading for me
20:41 <Comsn> aha!
20:41 <ghableska> heh
20:41 <Comsn> another of my team is online
20:41 <i2020> the trouble is... wow... did you... well done
20:41 <i2020> hehehhe
20:41 <eggcozy> she would of course rather watch the one of the movies we got
20:41 <i2020> movies of armagetron... you are sick
20:42 <eggcozy> I play them while I am sleeping
20:42  * Sticky wonders how to make whipping noises over the net
20:42 <i2020> the challenge board should have been used for a week
20:42  * Vanhayes makes whipping noise over the net
20:42 <i2020> we could have seen some jumping around between captains
20:42 <i2020> could be an interesting part of the game to watch
20:42 -!- manta [n=kim@64-118-124-32-as-00.dialin.oakhurst.sti.net] has joined #armagetron
20:43 <wrtlprnft> hi manta 
20:43 <ghableska> hi Marco
20:43 <i2020> hi
20:43 <ghableska> *manta :P
20:43 <manta> hi
20:43 <i2020> 15 mins
20:43 <i2020> you guys there already?
20:43 <Sticky> yup
20:43 <wrtlprnft> 1
20:43 <Vanhayes> hmm since alot of fortress people are here, would basic fortress with added respawn zones in a corner, or off to the side, be a good game mode?
20:44 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Ladle_Brackets
20:44 <wrtlprnft> what's the point of that?
20:44 <wrtlprnft> that's pretty much what 
20:44 <wrtlprnft> i2020 already put there
20:44 <Sticky> i thouhgt of having a recharge zone that recharges your rubber and breaks
20:44 <manta> well, it might be nice to try for a while wrtlprnft
20:45 <Comsn> oh sup manta
20:45 <Comsn> <~ kamakazi
20:45 <manta> but I notice long matches seem to slow done clients after a wile and frare rates drop
20:45 <Comsn> Vanhayes : it would make holes very .... inticing
20:45 <ghableska> I thought we were meeting at rain's server...
20:45 <Vanhayes> heh, true
20:46 <i2020> interesting wrtl.. but incorrect
20:46 <Vanhayes> manta: ya I think that might have to do with respawning itself, not the length of the matches
20:46 <wrtlprnft> grr, how do i mark a new page as patrolled?
20:46 <wrtlprnft> i2020: well, it's not EXACTLY the same
20:46 <i2020> if you look at the challenge board, there are four teams in the second half...
20:46 <Comsn> Vanhayes : groundpig's capture the flag , he just fixed a respawn lag bug
20:46 <Vanhayes> but then, I dont think ive ever had that long of a match without respawning so maybe
20:46 <wrtlprnft> yeah, he put the AW vs WS in the 1st round
20:46 <Vanhayes> Comsn: its still there
20:46 <wrtlprnft> you put it into the 2nd round
20:47 <i2020> whcih means the bye comes in the quarters between awa nd ws... at least... i think it is
20:47 <wrtlprnft> no difference
20:47 <Comsn> Vanhayes : i mean he fixed it like 30 mins ago, its s till there?
20:47 <Vanhayes> I was in 10 minutes ago
20:47 <Comsn> oh ok :)
20:47 <Vanhayes> it isnt nearly as bad but it still lags
20:47 <wrtlprnft> Comsn: did he?
20:47 <wrtlprnft> i thought that was zone- related
20:47 <Vanhayes> used to go down to 5-10 from 60-70
20:48 <manta> well that is a nice thing about a game in development promlems don't stay problems for long
20:48 <i2020> it makes the challenge board redundant.. the original idea is for captains to jostle for position...
20:48 <i2020> they know who they are going to play first, second, third... etc
20:48 <wrtlprnft> it's a bit late too
20:48 <i2020> but... who knows..
20:48 <i2020> too late? for what
20:48 <wrtlprnft> 20:48 <wrtlprnft> it's a bit late too
20:48 <wrtlprnft> i never said “too late”
20:49 <ghableska> O_o
20:49 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: i have only seen that kind of fps drain in 3 servers before, pig's z-mans' one that he hosted on his comp with respawning and the one hosted by luke-jr_ that has respaning in it
20:49 <ghableska> wrtlprnft: "i never said “too late”"
20:49 <wrtlprnft> then say that on the forums
20:49 <Vanhayes> respawning*
20:49 <i2020> sorry.. misread
20:49 <Vanhayes> *sigh* ok
20:49 <wrtlprnft> i'm not related to respawning at all
20:49 <wrtlprnft> infact i never compiled a server that had it enabled
20:50 <wrtlprnft> another question is if it's really related to respawning or awfully long matches
20:50 <wrtlprnft> *awfully long rounds
20:51 -!- Nixda264 [n=57f00d30@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
20:51 <wrtlprnft> Nixda264: type /nick <some nick>
20:51 -!- Nixda264 is now known as Sasha
20:51 <Sasha> x=)
20:51 <wrtlprnft> :)
20:51 <ghableska> hi Sasha
20:51 <Sasha> hi there
20:51 <Sasha> xhi
20:52 <Sasha> damn chat key of Arma "x"
20:52 <ghableska> heh
20:52 <Sasha> )
20:52  * wrtlprnft uses the traditional old s
20:52 <wrtlprnft> shi
20:52  * ghableska does too
20:52 <wrtlprnft> actually i should use i or a
20:52 <Sasha> xI use x
20:52 <Sasha> c is for camera
20:52 <wrtlprnft> at least it would give arma some kind of vim feeling
20:52 <wrtlprnft> c is tourn right
20:53 <wrtlprnft> v is camera
20:53 <wrtlprnft> though the only cams i have enabled are custom and free
20:53 <Sasha> s and w is turn left
20:53 -!- luke-jr_ [n=luke-jr@2002:1891:f657:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)]
20:53 <Lackadaisical> v is glance right, q is camera
20:53 <wrtlprnft> <y is turn left
20:53 <wrtlprnft> xc is turn right
20:53 <wrtlprnft> + arrow keys
20:53 <Sasha> ))
20:53 <Sasha> Ctrl+aLt+Del - restart PC
20:53 <wrtlprnft> tux key and down are brake
20:53 <Sasha> lol
20:53 <wrtlprnft> ctrl and alt are glances
20:54 <i2020> can i correct your bracket wrtl?
20:54 <wrtlprnft> and crtl-alt-backspace is bad.
20:54 <wrtlprnft> i2020: huh?
20:54 <wrtlprnft> i never made one
20:54 <Sasha> did anyone see sKy?
20:54 <Lackadaisical> its not wrtls brackter
20:54 <Lackadaisical> durka mad it
20:54 <Lackadaisical> made
20:54 <i2020> oh..
20:54 <wrtlprnft> i just questioned what it was for
20:54  * wrtlprnft looks up
20:54 -!- Sasha [n=57f00d30@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit [Client Quit]
20:55 <i2020> ah.. i will alter it to reflect the stuff on the board... in case people get confused...
20:55  * wrtlprnft sees sky and stars
20:55 <wrtlprnft> i2020: good idea
20:55 <wrtlprnft> it's using some very weird markup too
20:55 <Lackadaisical> i heard durka 'likes to do.... things to the wiki'
20:56 <ghableska> heh
20:56 <wrtlprnft> heh
20:56 <ghableska> Lackadaisical: don't think too hard :P
20:56 <Lackadaisical> it's just what i heard!
20:57 <ghableska> XD
20:57 <wrtlprnft> 110 seconds to our meeting!
20:57 <wrtlprnft> o_O the server's almost ful
20:58 <ghableska> Heh.
20:59 <manta> has anyone sen goodygumdrops around?
20:59 <ghableska> he just came in to the server....and left
21:01 <ghableska> i2020: can you get on Skype?
21:01 <manta> ok I found him
21:01 <manta> is the meeting starting?
21:02 <ghableska> I think so...
21:03 -!- Luke-Jr [n=luke-jr@2002:1891:f657:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d] has joined #armagetron
21:03 <wrtlprnft> i hade that AÐY guy
21:03 <Vanhayes> I hade him too
21:04 <Vanhayes> .... who is Luke-Jr ?
21:04 <ghableska> ?
21:04 <Vanhayes> #seen Luke-Jr 
21:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: Luke-Jr was last seen in #armagetron 3 weeks, 2 days, 20 hours, 29 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <Luke-Jr> config folder is for the system, not the user
21:04 <Vanhayes> been a while
21:04 <Vanhayes> now, I know who Luke-Jr_ is but I havent seen Luke-Jr  in a whil;e
21:05 <Vanhayes> #seen luke-jr_
21:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: luke-jr_ was last seen in #armagetron 1 hour, 12 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: * luke-jr_ notes the official forums have clan categories
21:08 <wrtlprnft> uh, Luke-Jr is there
21:10 -!- G5_Ger [n=G5_Ger@dslb-084-056-192-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron
21:10 <G5_Ger> Hi Ladle players!
21:12 <Vanhayes> hey G5_Ger 
21:13 <manta> hey
21:14 <ghableska> hi
21:14 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:15 <Vanhayes> just an observetion
21:15 <Luke-Jr> it's totally random
21:15 <Luke-Jr> I'm in too many channels for 1 connection, so I'm always on freenode twice
21:15 <Vanhayes> true, but its true
21:15 -!- luke-jr_ [n=luke-jr@CPE-24-31-245-218.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
21:15 <luke-jr_> see
21:15 -!- luke-jr_ [n=luke-jr@CPE-24-31-245-218.kc.res.rr.com] has left #armagetron ["Leaving"]
21:15 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: there's a channel limit?
21:15 <Luke-Jr> yes
21:15 <wrtlprnft> x_X
21:16 <Vanhayes> for your client or for the network?
21:16 <Luke-Jr> network
21:16 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@] has joined #armagetron
21:16 <Luke-Jr> 40, IIRC
21:16 <Vanhayes> ....
21:16 <Vanhayes> your in over 40 channels?
21:16 <Luke-Jr> sometimes
21:16 <Vanhayes> damn, that would be too confusing for me
21:16 <Luke-Jr> 25 autojoin
21:17 <Luke-Jr> so maybe it's 30
21:17 <wrtlprnft> well he only reads hilights and topics he can annoy people with
21:18 <Vanhayes> I get confused with just one channel and the network sometimes
21:18 <Lackadaisical> #shuffle "2020" "~ }{Alex}{ ~" "ghableska" "Lackadaisical" "madmax" "Wrtlprnft" "Sticky" "Hay-Lin" "gArIsImO" "eggcozy" "MaZuffeR" "featherfcuk""Vanhayes""alex"
21:18 <armabot> Lackadaisical: Wrtlprnft 2020 MaZuffeR Lackadaisical Vanhayes Sticky eggcozy ~ }{Alex}{ ~ Hay-Lin gArIsImO ghableska alex madmax featherfcuk
21:18  * wrtlprnft is team 1?
21:18  * Vanhayes is too
21:18 <Lackadaisical> oh alex is in there twice
21:18 <Lackadaisical> Wrtlprnft 2020 MaZuffeR Lackadaisical Vanhayes Sticky
21:18 <wrtlprnft> Wrtlprnft 2020 MaZuffeR Lackadaisical Vanhayes Sticky eggcozy 
21:18 <wrtlprnft> ~ }{Alex}{ ~ Hay-Lin gArIsImO ghableska alex madmax featherfcuk
21:18 <wrtlprnft> like that?
21:18 <Vanhayes> seems like good teams to me
21:18 <Sticky> yup
21:19 <Lackadaisical> eggcozy ~ }{Alex}{ ~ Hay-Lin gArIsImO ghableska  madmax featherfcuk
21:19 <Lackadaisical> ok good
21:19 <wrtlprnft> now you need to tell that to the non- IRC ppl
21:20 <ghableska> garisimo?
21:20 <ghableska> he isn't here...
21:20 <Lackadaisical> yes thats why one team has 7
21:20 <Lackadaisical> thats the one with garisimo
21:20 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Challenge_Room&curid=1981&diff=15342&oldid=15333&rcid=13988
21:20 <ghableska> oh
21:21 <madmax|pt> lol...
21:21  * wrtlprnft kills durka in his mind
21:21 <wrtlprnft> all: did he just decide that alone or was there something i missed?
21:22 <G5_Ger> Durka is ... special ... in some way :-)
21:22 <wrtlprnft> else i'll use that rollback button
21:22 <wrtlprnft> *otherwise
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21:25 <Lackadaisical> i think team B is here right?
21:25 <Comsn> b?
21:25 <Lackadaisical> aw has split into two teams
21:25 <MaZuffeR> <Lackadaisical> Wrtlprnft 2020 MaZuffeR Lackadaisical Vanhayes Sticky 
21:25 <MaZuffeR> that's team B
21:25 <Lackadaisical> yes, and we are all here
21:25 <Vanhayes> nice we are all here
21:26 <Vanhayes> should simplify things
21:26 <Lackadaisical> ok i'm gonna write us down in the challenge board
21:26 <Lackadaisical> lets play wraith squadron in the quarter finals ok?
21:26 <Vanhayes> ok
21:26 <Vanhayes> brb in like 2 minutes
21:27 <Lackadaisical> we have to be playing them in 2 minutes
21:27 <i2020> thats the idea lack... aw cs w
21:27 <i2020> fuck
21:27 <Comsn> ah
21:27 <i2020> is all i can say...
21:27 <i2020> sorry
21:28 <Lackadaisical> where?
21:29 <Sticky> where is the game??
21:29 <wrtlprnft> ok, where do i go now?
21:29 <Lackadaisical> no wth is durka saying
21:29 <wrtlprnft> after i discovered i'm on team b
21:29 <ghableska> where does A go?
21:30 <G5_Ger> Hmmm ... now it is aw-b vs wpn (on wildwest fortress)???
21:30 <Sticky> ok
21:30 <wrtlprnft> ok
21:31 -!- Vanhayes_ [i=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034162208.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
21:31 <Vanhayes_> ok there we go
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21:39 <madmax|pt> ghableska ?
21:39 <ghableska> arma crashed
21:39 <G5_Ger> my client crashed on us fortress
21:39 <Vanhayes> same....
21:39 <MaZuffeR> mine too
21:39 <Vanhayes> weird
21:40 <Vanhayes> twice now
21:40 <wrtlprnft> mine too
21:40 <G5_Ger> or it is very slow ...
21:40 <ghableska> O_O
21:40 <G5_Ger> back to wildwest?
21:40 <wrtlprnft> doesn't respond to UI input
21:40 <Vanhayes> spidey: FIX YOUR SERVER WHEN YOU COME BACK
21:40 <madmax|pt> oO
21:40 <wrtlprnft> ....
21:40 <wrtlprnft> so where do we go now?
21:41 <ghableska> wildwest?
21:41 <Lackadaisical> go back to wildwest?
21:41 <wrtlprnft> kk
21:41 <Vanhayes> sure
21:41 <i2020> omg
21:41 <madmax|pt> according to the challenge room AW-B were the ones to play WS?
21:42 <madmax|pt> @wiki
21:42 <madmax|pt> erm, challenge board
21:42 <Vanhayes> well seems we are playing WPN now...
21:42 <ghableska> ok, madmax|pt: are you on AW-A?
21:42 <madmax|pt> yes...
21:42 <ghableska> then you go to the LoD server...?
21:42 <madmax|pt> i am there ghab
21:42 <ghableska> oh, hmm
21:43 <Vanhayes> arent you team A ghab?
21:44 <madmax|pt> he is
21:44 <madmax|pt> and he's on the server too
21:44 <i2020> christ... self organised... good grief... um... too many cooks...
21:44 <Vanhayes> too many cooks named Durka
21:44 <ghableska> Vanhayes: yeah
21:44 <Vanhayes> bah his way is chaotic
21:45 <i2020> yup and unilateral
21:45 <madmax|pt> what about team B? you guys have a server to play on and a team to play with?
21:45 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:45 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lack@ipd50aa335.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
21:45 <madmax|pt> ok
21:46 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lack@ipd50aa335.speed.planet.nl] has joined #armagetron
21:46 <madmax|pt> next round our match starts
21:46 <madmax|pt> out
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21:51 <Comsn> shit
21:51 <Comsn> anyone lod here?
21:51 <Comsn> tell em someone has to join
21:51 <Comsn> a WS has to join
21:52 <Comsn> damnit
21:52 <Comsn> why lock it? :D
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22:10 <Vanhayes> lame
22:10 <Vanhayes> LAME
22:11 <Vanhayes> got auto kicked for spamming, using a def dead instant
22:11 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: Lackadaisical i2020 MaZuffeR Sticky someone else def
22:11 <wrtlprnft> don't try to reenter yet
22:11 <Vanhayes> cant for 4 mins
22:12 <Lackadaisical> ok
22:12 <wrtlprnft> don't keep trying
22:13 <wrtlprnft> sjust wait 5 mins
22:13 <Vanhayes> im watching A team win
22:16 <ghableska> Vanhayes: tell AW-A that I went to help B
22:16 <ghableska> :P
22:16 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-17-187.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
22:16 <madmax|pt> back
22:16 -!- eggcozy [n=53d0387b@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
22:16 <madmax|pt> did team B played they're match?
22:17 <eggcozy> how much time do I have till the next match for AW-A?
22:17 <madmax|pt> i don't know
22:21 <i2020> hi
22:21 <i2020> it is 1 1 
22:21 <i2020> we won the first, they won the second.. .decider now on
22:21 <i2020> van subbed on for me since his ping is so much better than mine there
22:22 <i2020> what about the other games? 
22:22 <i2020> lol and ct? sl?
22:23 <wrtlprnft> sl won 2-0
22:24 <madmax|pt> eggcozy, gari was trying to play with SL now
22:24 <madmax|pt> set up the match that is
22:25 <eggcozy> hmm
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22:25 <eggcozy> where is gar?
22:26 <i2020> what about lol?
22:26 <eggcozy> I would like about 10 min if possible.
22:26 <eggcozy> ill be back in about 7 min, message please if we know where next game is.
22:28 <ghableska> wrpn=lol?
22:28 <ghableska> *wpn
22:28 <i2020> has lol arrived?
22:28 <i2020> do they exist
22:30 <i2020> so lol haven't turned up?
22:31 <wrtlprnft> ok i say we won
22:32 <Sticky> hay
22:32 <madmax|pt> now you did
22:32 <wrtlprnft> we pwn noobs—but only noobs
22:33 <wrtlprnft> this match got recorded
22:33 <wrtlprnft> i used free cam for final fights when i was dead, so you should get some good video material i2020 :)
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22:33 <Sticky> anyone spectating AW-b vs wpn???
22:33 <wrtlprnft> i'ma be off for a few minutes
22:33 <wrtlprnft> Sticky: we won
22:33 <wrtlprnft> 2-1
22:33 <Sticky> cool
22:34 <ghableska> so who do we play now?
22:34 <i2020> thanks wrtl.. now we need an editor...
22:34 <i2020> how many players in sl?
22:34 <Lackadaisical> now what?
22:34 <Lackadaisical> we have sl, aw a and aw b
22:34 <i2020> sl v aw...
22:34 <Vanhayes> no LOL?
22:34 <Lackadaisical> lol forfeited
22:34 <i2020> find them...
22:34 <i2020> ah
22:34 <Lackadaisical> just 6 teams
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22:34 <Vanhayes> thought that might happen
22:34 <i2020> so how many in the sl team?
22:35 <Lackadaisical> i dk
22:35 <wrtlprnft> i2020: no, i can make a video out of it
22:35 <madmax|pt> seems like AW-A vs SL now @ LOD
22:35 <i2020> well.. i would like to get the material so i can edit it... get the right perspective etc...
22:35 <Vanhayes> hmm SP didnt join this one...
22:35 <wrtlprnft> i'm sure there's a codec that works for you
22:35 <madmax|pt> gari said it
22:35 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
22:36 <i2020> look. how many players in the sl team?
22:36 <Vanhayes> ill try to find someone who knows
22:36 <madmax|pt> two?
22:36 <madmax|pt> lol
22:36 -!- wejp [n=j@i577BAC7B.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
22:36 <madmax|pt> well, two @ LoD
22:36 <Sticky> well good game for those in WA-B..sorry about my probloems at the end
22:36 <G5_Ger> bye
22:37 <Vanhayes> np we didnt lose a round that match :)
22:37 <Vanhayes> cya G5_Ger 
22:37 -!- G5_Ger [n=G5_Ger@dslb-084-056-192-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Quitting!"]
22:37 <Lackadaisical> ok sl is playing against aw a
22:37 <i2020> 2?
22:37 <Lackadaisical> so we got a bye i guess this round
22:37 <Vanhayes> and we play winner?
22:37 <Vanhayes> ok
22:37 <ghableska> what if we end up playing ourselves?
22:37 <Vanhayes> we win :)
22:37 <Vanhayes> heh
22:38 <ghableska> heh
22:38 <i2020> weird
22:38 <Vanhayes> so... how many does SL have?
22:38 <i2020> i just want a good game...
22:38 <Vanhayes> same
22:38 <i2020> still haven't had one yet
22:38 <Vanhayes> I want a good server too
22:38 <Lackadaisical> i think aw vs aw would be fun
22:38 <i2020> no idea...
22:38 <wrtlprnft> well, wpn might pwn noobs, but not us
22:38 <i2020> yeah...
22:39 <Vanhayes> guess I cant say /me is a noob anymore
22:39 <Vanhayes> its official
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22:39 <i2020> i think it a little unfair that sl play two teams of aw if they win the first against aw A
22:39 <ghableska> hehhe
22:39 <DrJoeTron> alright, looks like the wireless card works
22:39 <DrJoeTron> do any of you know a good remote desktop program for windows?
22:39 <Sticky> vnc
22:40 <DrJoeTron> hmm
22:40 <Sticky> tightvnc is best
22:40 <madmax|pt> Durka is funny...
22:40 <madmax|pt> reaaaaal funny
22:40 <Vanhayes> hmm how about AW-A vs AW-B?
22:41 <Lackadaisical> gari already arranged a match against sl
22:41 <Vanhayes> that would be more fair than SL vs AW the n if they win VS AW again
22:41 <madmax|pt> things are being arranged already
22:41 <Lackadaisical> but sl only has two players
22:41 <madmax|pt> 3 now
22:41 <Vanhayes> ahh nvrm then
22:41 <madmax|pt> and durka is seemingly SL too now
22:41 <Lackadaisical> is that including durka?
22:41 <wrtlprnft> wtf
22:41 <DrJoeTron> how secure is it?
22:41 <madmax|pt> no, radian joined
22:41 <wrtlprnft> is durka wpn, lol, or sl now?
22:42 <Lackadaisical> why are ady and mephisto still there?
22:42 <Vanhayes> sl needed "helpers"
22:43 <Vanhayes> Im not sure who is one
22:43 <madmax|pt> well, if we want it to be a SL vs (AWB vs AWA) better say it now
22:43 <madmax|pt> badzilla there too now
22:43 <Vanhayes> looks like it is just about to start
22:44 <wrtlprnft> what?
22:44 <Vanhayes> well next match AW-B plays can it not be in LOD server? I get really bad lagg there
22:44 <wrtlprnft> where shall i go?
22:44 <wrtlprnft> what about z-man's server?
22:44 <Lackadaisical> z-mans is good
22:45 <wrtlprnft> that's what i mean
22:45 <Vanhayes> ya that would be great
22:45 <wrtlprnft> is it online?
22:45 <Vanhayes> no clue :/
22:45 <wrtlprnft> it is
22:45 <Lackadaisical> yes, full with random people though
22:45 <Lackadaisical> 'full'= 6 people
22:45 <wrtlprnft> Z-Man's Tournament Fortress (6/16)
22:45 <wrtlprnft> ~}SD{~Smart
22:45 <wrtlprnft> Raidon
22:45 <wrtlprnft> Qbrain
22:45 <wrtlprnft> (WS) eclipse
22:45 <wrtlprnft> Skunk_it!
22:45 <wrtlprnft> [AW-B] Lack
22:46 <Lackadaisical> armaspy?
22:46 <madmax|pt> eggcozy, LoD server, now
22:46  * wrtlprnft 's gonna join
22:46 <wrtlprnft> Lackadaisical: yeah
22:46 <wrtlprnft> or http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverxml.php?stripcolors
22:46 <Sticky> rains server aint bad for me
22:46 <wrtlprnft> that's where i copied it from
22:46 -!- eggcozy [n=53d0387b@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit ["CGI:IRC"]
22:46 <wrtlprnft> rain's would be fine too
22:46 <wrtlprnft> z-man's is a tournament server, so we have the moral right to kick them :P
22:46 <Lackadaisical> can rain's hold that many people?
22:46 <Lackadaisical> hehe yeah
22:47 <Sticky> z-mans is better for me
22:47 <Vanhayes> ya, Id just prefer it cause its one Im familiar with and like
22:48 <Sticky> so what time is next game??
22:48 <Vanhayes> whenever SL and AW are done
22:48 <wrtlprnft> i'd say as soon as we get everyone there?
22:48 <Vanhayes> we play the winner
22:48 <Lackadaisical> when madmax tells us they either won or lost
22:48 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: we have a bye for the finals
22:49 <Sticky> whats happend to SL, WS and CT??
22:49 <wrtlprnft> ct lost
22:49 <wrtlprnft> ws is gonna play awb i think
22:49 <Lackadaisical> ws lost against aw a
22:49 <wrtlprnft> ack
22:50 <wrtlprnft> i'm too confused
22:50 <Vanhayes> we play in the finals
22:50 <Sticky> err no
22:50 <Lackadaisical> appearantly we had a bye in the semi finals because gari and meri arranged a match before we could
22:51 <Lackadaisical> no?
22:51 <Sticky> so whats happend to WS??
22:53 <Vanhayes> AW-A beat them I think
22:53  * ghableska blames durka for the confusion
22:53 <Sticky> ok so AW-A are on their 3rd game
22:53 <Lackadaisical> aw-a beat ws, sl beat ct, aw-b beat wpn
22:53 <Lackadaisical> no this is their second
22:53 <Lackadaisical> there are no more teams than those six
22:54 <ghableska> AW-A is playing against SL now...
22:54 <Sticky> ahh ok
22:54 <Sticky> any updates from the current game
22:55 <Vanhayes> brb
22:55 -!- Vanhayes [i=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034162208.nb.aliant.net] has quit ["So thats what that button does...."]
22:55 <Lackadaisical> theres individual players score at http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/
22:56 <wrtlprnft> no team scores? :s
22:56 <DrJoeTron> time get that c going!
22:56 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-64-108-205-96.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit [">-;;,ccc3"]
22:57 <Lackadaisical> they have quite a line up with all those subs
22:59 <madmax|pt> 1-0 for SL
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23:02 <ghableska> we are down one person...
23:03 <Sticky> anyone??
23:03 <ghableska> anyone want to join? :P
23:03 <Sticky> wakey everyone
23:04 <Lackadaisical> hi
23:04 <Lackadaisical> yeah hay is at zmans
23:04 <Lackadaisical> is it open?
23:04 <Sticky> get into LOD
23:04 <Lackadaisical> i sent hay and gari
23:05 <Sticky> were still 1 down
23:05 <Sticky> ahh no
23:05 <Lackadaisical> no?
23:06 <Sticky> mo
23:06 <Sticky> no
23:06 <Sticky> well the server has 16 on it
23:09 <Sticky> not going well looking at the scores
23:09 <Lackadaisical> yeah
23:09 <Lackadaisical> guess we have to take them on ;)
23:10 <Sticky> good team too
23:11 <Lackadaisical> it looks more like a clan vs non-clan game than sl vs aw
23:11 <Lackadaisical> they have sl, ct, lod and wpn on their team
23:11 <Sticky> gues they will have AW-A too when they play us
23:12 <ghableska> :-/
23:12 <Lackadaisical> how is it going ghab?
23:13 <Lackadaisical> looks like the third match has started
23:14 <wrtlprnft> what score?
23:14 <wrtlprnft> 1-1?
23:14 <Lackadaisical> i don't know
23:15 <ghableska> 1-1
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23:19 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
23:19 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska 
23:19 <Vanhayes> how are AW-A doing?
23:19 <Lackadaisical> 1-1
23:19 <ghableska> not so well
23:19 <ghableska> 34-54
23:19 <wrtlprnft> x_X
23:19 <Vanhayes> not too bad, still winable
23:20 <ghableska> yeah
23:20 <ghableska> so if we lose, then AW-B gets to play?
23:20 <Lackadaisical> yes
23:21 <Vanhayes> hmm seems that its choppy in all the standard fortress servers except wild west for me
23:21 <Vanhayes> which means maz shoul def
23:21 <Lackadaisical> odd
23:21 <Vanhayes> should*
23:21 <ghableska> Vanhayes: I agree
23:22 <wrtlprnft> stupid z-man's server kicked me for idling :s
23:22 <deja_vu> spidey!
23:22 <ghableska> :(
23:22 <deja_vu> spidey: don't ignore me!
23:22 <ghableska> spidey!
23:22 <wrtlprnft> spidey is away right now
23:23 <deja_vu> why?
23:23 <wrtlprnft> dunno
23:23 <deja_vu> how am i supposed to annoy him that way?
23:23 <wrtlprnft> just do it
23:23 <deja_vu> hm
23:23 <wrtlprnft> he says he's gonna read everything that contains spidey
23:23 <deja_vu> ok
23:23 <deja_vu> spidey :D
23:23 <deja_vu> spidey: i hope you're back soon
23:23 <wrtlprnft> you sure?
23:24 <deja_vu> uhm
23:24 <deja_vu> ^^'
23:24 <deja_vu> don't remind me of the consequences of my actions ;)
23:25 <Vanhayes> #last --frome spidey --with 2
23:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns (1 more message)
23:25 <Vanhayes> #last --from spidey --with 2
23:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: [16:49:51] <spidey> cya in a day or 2
23:26 <deja_vu> :O
23:26 <deja_vu> at least he'll know we miss him
23:26 <Vanhayes> heh but that was about a day and a half ago so...
23:26 <Vanhayes> well 32 hours anyway
23:27 <wrtlprnft> i wanna sleep in peace!
23:27 <Vanhayes> #time
23:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: 01:58 AM, September 04, 2006
23:27 <Vanhayes> wow
23:27 <wrtlprnft> so don't curse it and make him come back too early
23:27 <wrtlprnft> err, WHAT?
23:27 <Vanhayes> that cant be right
23:27 <wrtlprnft> that's wrong
23:27 <Vanhayes> ya thats 7 hours off for me
23:28 <Vanhayes> er -3
23:28 <deja_vu> Sun Sep  3 23:29:06 CEST 2006
23:28 <deja_vu> ;)
23:28 <wrtlprnft> uh, that's the correct time
23:28 <wrtlprnft> now i see why make is complaining
23:28 <ghableska> 88-92 :X
23:28 <wrtlprnft> my server's ahead of its time
23:28 <wrtlprnft> you can win that!
23:29 <Lackadaisical> exciting
23:29 <wrtlprnft> #time
23:29 <deja_vu> very
23:29 <ghableska> heh
23:29 <ghableska> 90-92 now...
23:29 <ghableska> :P
23:29 <wrtlprnft> hello armabot 
23:29 <wrtlprnft> time!
23:29 <wrtlprnft> #time
23:29 <Lackadaisical> lol
23:29 <deja_vu> *g*
23:29 <wrtlprnft> it probably got confused by the jump
23:29 <Vanhayes> armabot should say something
23:29 <ghableska> wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!
23:29 <ghableska> :D
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23:30 <Lackadaisical> you won?!
23:30 <Vanhayes> armabot should have should
23:30 <ghableska> now we get to play you :P
23:30 <Lackadaisical> haha great
23:30 <Vanhayes> heh nice
23:30 <Vanhayes> grats
23:30 <wrtlprnft> YAY
23:30 <Sticky> wow
23:30 <wrtlprnft> grats
23:30 <Sticky> good come back
23:30 <wrtlprnft> rock it AW!
23:30 <Lackadaisical> win for aw
23:30 <Sticky> WD
23:30 <ghableska> :D
23:30 <ghableska> alex was amazing
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23:30 <wrtlprnft> ok, all join z-man's?
23:30 <wrtlprnft> #time
23:30 <Lackadaisical> we are at zmans tournament
23:30 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 11:31 PM, September 03, 2006
23:30 <Lackadaisical> spread the word ghab
23:30 <wrtlprnft> better
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23:31 <madmax|pt> 2-1 for us in case you dont know
23:31 <wrtlprnft> yeah, ghableska kept us updated
23:31 <wrtlprnft> grats
23:31 <ghableska> heh
23:32 <ghableska> grr, can't join
23:32 <Sticky> hmm
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: try again
23:33 <ghableska> ok
23:33 <ghableska> grr, still full
23:34 <Vanhayes> its in AST server now
23:34 <Sticky> AST server
23:34 <wrtlprnft> x_X
23:34 <Lackadaisical> lol the master server is ful?
23:34 <wrtlprnft> haha
23:34 <wrtlprnft> got the same message
23:34 <wrtlprnft> one is, probably
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23:37 <i2020> come to ast
23:40 <wrtlprnft> i am in ast
23:41 <wrtlprnft> online on jabber now...
23:41 <Your_mom_arma> ummm
23:41 <Your_mom_arma> master login denied
23:41 <wrtlprnft> haha
23:41  * wrtlprnft hopes it's not his master that's screwed
23:41 <Your_mom_arma> it said the master server was full
23:42 <wrtlprnft> which one?
23:43 <Your_mom_arma> idk it faded away and i just restarted arma
23:43 <wrtlprnft> haha localhost is banned from my master for 93 minutes
23:43 <wrtlprnft> need to fix that or armaspy won't work
23:43 <Your_mom_arma> banned forom the master server?
23:43 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:44 <wrtlprnft> happens if you log in too frequently
23:44 <wrtlprnft> 91 minutes now
23:44 <wrtlprnft> i was testing so i had my script connect to it all the time
23:44  * Your_mom_arma slams on r button
23:45 <wrtlprnft> better don't
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23:46 <Your_mom_arma> ast server full 12/0
23:47 <wrtlprnft> uh, you aren't supposed to join
23:47 <wrtlprnft> it's a ladle server
23:47 <wrtlprnft> or are you on AW?
23:47 <Your_mom_arma> not really
23:48 <Your_mom_arma> i put my money on aw b
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23:48 <i2020> van left again
23:48 <wrtlprnft> :)
23:49 <Your_mom_arma> the only time i can get ctf flag to crash is when im not recording
23:51 <Your_mom_arma> #help last
23:51 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit (1 more message)
23:52 <Your_mom_arma> #last {from} Ground*
23:52 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit (1 more message)
23:53 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: don't bother
23:53 <wrtlprnft> i just restarted armabot 
23:58 <Your_mom_arma> okay
23:58 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
23:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
23:58 <Your_mom_arma> how would you type it tho?

Log from 2006-09-04:
--- Day changed Mon Sep 04 2006
00:00 <Vanhayes> #last --fromm groundpig
00:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns (1 more message)
00:00 <Vanhayes> #last --from groundpig
00:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 398 messages.
00:00 <wrtlprnft> yeah, like that
00:01 <Your_mom_arma> thanks
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00:13 <wrtlprnft> 1-1
00:15  * Lucifer_arma yawns
00:15  * ghableska yawns too
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> wow, I was kidding when I said I'd be asleep during the ladle, and it turns out I really was asleep during the ladle
00:16 <ghableska> haha
00:29 <wrtlprnft> WE WON!!!!!!!!P
00:29 <wrtlprnft> yay
00:29 <Vanhayes> GO AW-B
00:29 <wrtlprnft> BBBBBBBBB!
00:29 <wrtlprnft> anyways, gonna fool with my recordings tomorrow
00:29 <ghableska> grr
00:29 <wrtlprnft> and gonna clean up the wiki
00:29 <Lackadaisical> hooray
00:29 <ghableska> AW still won :P
00:29 <Vanhayes> heh good luck with that
00:29 <ghableska> heh
00:30 <Vanhayes> then again AW got second too :)
00:30 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=4_Team_Fortress_Tourney_1&curid=2697&diff=15347&oldid=15308&rcid=13993
00:30 <wrtlprnft> wtf
00:30 <wrtlprnft> uh, 7 times TBA?
00:30 <wrtlprnft> or 6
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00:31 <wrtlprnft> well, it was funfunfun
00:31 <madmax|pt> great matches
00:31 <Lackadaisical> hi max
00:31 <Vanhayes> very
00:31 <madmax|pt> hello
00:31 <Lackadaisical> our zone was spinning so hard
00:32 <madmax|pt> yea :| i thought it was over
00:32 <madmax|pt> but then ghab and hay died
00:32 <Vanhayes> heh ya so did I
00:32 <madmax|pt> and boom
00:32 <wrtlprnft> yeah, that was intense
00:32 <Vanhayes> 1 or 2 more seconds and it would have been the other way around
00:32 <wrtlprnft> i2020: great job, when's the 4th ladle?
00:32 <madmax|pt> if they survived a bit longer and "tiny crowded" :D
00:33 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:33 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:33 <madmax|pt> g'night wrtlprnft 
00:34 <Lackadaisical> good night
00:34 <ghableska> cu wrtlprnft
00:34  * ghableska grumbles
00:34 <Vanhayes> hmm I think im all tronned out for a while
00:34 <ghableska> hehe
00:34 <ghableska> me too
00:34 <Lackadaisical> lol
00:34 <madmax|pt> lolol
00:35  * ghableska 's fingers hurt
00:35 <MaZuffeR> mines does too
00:35 <Sticky> if you guys do wana do the golden bike...got to be Alex
00:35 <Vanhayes> that was a good 3 hours of intense tron
00:35 <Lackadaisical> well schools back again tomorrow
00:35 <Vanhayes> ya alex did good
00:35 <Vanhayes> heh I have labour day here so tuesdays school for me
00:35 <MaZuffeR> that is the most annoying def style
00:35 <Vanhayes> ya
00:35 <Vanhayes> kinda boring
00:36 <Sticky> but effective
00:36 <Lackadaisical> it used to be just radian doing that
00:36 <Vanhayes> ya untill people get fed up and take the winzone
00:36 <MaZuffeR> rad stopped doing it
00:36 <Vanhayes> ya but he invented it :/
00:36 <MaZuffeR> well, i dont know about that
00:37 <MaZuffeR> it's hard to stay focused when doing it
00:37 <Lackadaisical>  i used to call it 'radian style def'
00:37 <Vanhayes> ya just like how skip got credit for his style
00:37 <ghableska> heh
00:37 <Vanhayes> pretty sure lag was doing that before him tho
00:38 <Sticky> skip does that perfect circle thing
00:38 <ghableska> Vanhayes: did you find out if you were being admin killed at the LoD server?
00:38 <Sticky> realy anoying
00:38 <Vanhayes> I wasnt in the LOD match
00:38 <ghableska> hmm
00:38 <Vanhayes> I know he has done it before tho
00:38 <ghableska> someone was complaining about that...
00:38 <Lackadaisical> wasnt it max?
00:38 <ghableska> oh yeah
00:39 <Vanhayes> I always use /players in there anyway
00:39 <Vanhayes> if he is logged in and I die without a message, I put two and two together
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00:39 <ghableska> g2g, cu
00:39 <Vanhayes> cya ghableska 
00:39 <Lackadaisical> cya
00:39 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"]
00:43 <madmax|pt> i dont think i got admin killed today, but on the International tron comp some weeeeird things happened, so, i had reasons to doubt
00:44 <madmax|pt> also, Ady was talking through /msg to i think Dez, pretty obvious when they started saying stuff out of context
00:44 <Lackadaisical> didnt alex think he was admin killed?
00:44 <madmax|pt> something about someones death and they were... lol'ing about it
00:45 <madmax|pt> yes Lack
00:45 <madmax|pt> btw, can someone cause lag to an individual player?
00:46 <Sticky> yeah caus i was totaly screwed at one point
00:46 <madmax|pt> also on the Inter tron comp, i was getting some pretty BAD lag, when anyone else was getting it
00:47 <madmax|pt> and i didnt even start amule ...
00:47 <MaZuffeR> meri left SL
00:47 <madmax|pt> :o
00:47 <MaZuffeR> http://aa.shadowleague.de/viewtopic.php?id=18
00:47 <Lackadaisical> oh wow?
00:47 <i2020> wow... that was crazy
00:49 <i2020> wow.. mer seemed well fucked off
00:49 <madmax|pt> yeah...
00:50 <i2020> that was a crazy night... both on and off the grid
00:50 <Sticky> did look a bit bad when only about 1/3rd of the players in their team are in the clan
00:50 <i2020> the organisation was... terrible... complete mayhem... it is a miracle anything actually happened
00:51 <i2020> i would like to talk about stuff this week with players...
00:51 <i2020> did you get my email guys?
00:51 <madmax|pt> oh, forgot to reply to that 
00:51 <madmax|pt> sorry
00:52 <i2020> that's ok... it would be nice to talk to players i know on the grid...
00:52 <MaZuffeR> i don't think you have my email address...
00:52 <Vanhayes> havent checked  mine in about a week
00:52 <Sticky> yes 2020 i got that email
00:52 <i2020> o... that's true... what is it maz?
00:53 <MaZuffeR> mazuffer@mazuffer.com
00:53 <MaZuffeR> quite easy to remember
00:53 <i2020> you still don't have mic i bet...
00:53 <MaZuffeR> nope
00:53 <Lackadaisical> who did you mail?
00:54 <i2020> everyone on aw team
00:54 <i2020> and a few others
00:54 <i2020> i don't have your email for example
00:55 <Lackadaisical> youve sent me a mail yesterday
00:55 <Vanhayes> hmmwell Id like to say im surprised that SL failed to get enought people, but seeing the history of FE its exactally what i excpected
00:55 <Lackadaisical> MREBell@gmail.com
00:55 <i2020> i do have that... i think i sent one... let me check...
00:56 <madmax|pt> do you use MSN maz?
00:56 <MaZuffeR> yes: mazuffer@hotmail.com
00:57 <madmax|pt> ok thanks
00:57 <Lackadaisical> what was the email about?
00:58 <i2020> an invitation to talk...
00:58 <i2020> i want to know if there is anyone who actually wants to take this game further
00:58 <madmax|pt> "it would be much easier if we could talk...", are you sure 2020?
00:59 <i2020> i invited peopl on the forum, but got nothing... so i think perhaps talking... finding out what people are wanting... etc
00:59 <Sticky> what do you mean "further"
00:59 <Lackadaisical> talking as in talking through skype?
00:59 <i2020> talking is my medium, this typing is... a little... 
00:59 <i2020> yeah skype
00:59 <i2020> or i am willing to phone people i suppose
01:00 <i2020> further... as in... better competitions
01:00 <Vanhayes> well they seem to be getting better
01:00 <i2020> which means... more players... a greater retention of rate of people who play
01:00 <Sticky> well the way i see it more players means more noobs so you are going to have to make it more accessible for noobs
01:01 <i2020> yeah... but there is a danger of it becoming stagnant
01:01 <i2020> that's right, and keeping players too
01:01 <Vanhayes> ya the ladle hasnt really changed since the first one
01:01 <i2020> no... the ladle was meant to be a one off like spoon
01:01 <madmax|pt> LOL didnt show up right?
01:01 <Sticky> currently its a bit daunting that the only team that is open has some of the best players there is in it
01:01 <i2020> i just thought we need something...
01:01 <Vanhayes> ya maybe some of us should split up?
01:02 <madmax|pt> well, some of the best players are not in clans
01:02 <Vanhayes> go out recruiting newer players
01:02 <i2020> good... yeah... that's the kind of thinking i was going to ask for... 
01:02 <madmax|pt> which makes me happy, seing all the crap that happens on clans
01:02 <Lackadaisical> but good players tend to prefer to play with other good players
01:02 <i2020> that;'s right... how about each of us makes a team
01:02 <Vanhayes> true
01:02 <i2020> that kind of thing... could be fun
01:02 <i2020> we end up with 8 new teams at least
01:03 <Vanhayes> I ll try it out next one I know ahead of time ill be playing in
01:03 <i2020> we train them up... and we play another ladle like thing
01:03 <madmax|pt> splitting is not a bad idea
01:03 <i2020> that's another thing... how to make it more stable
01:03 <Sticky> naaa you need some sort of tierd system where you dont put everyone on the same level.  looks at other sports.  uk soccer 1st 2nd and 3rd division teams
01:03 <i2020> gads... we don't have enough for that
01:03 <Lackadaisical> we dont have enough people to have different levels
01:03 <Sticky> handicap then
01:04 <i2020> and i don't like the idea of us constraining our system based on traditionally evolved organisations
01:04 <Lackadaisical> but i think 4 open teams would be doable for the next ladle
01:04 <Your_mom_arma> put all the players in a pool and then seperate them into teams trying to make all the teams even?
01:04 <i2020> in the first spoon... there were loads of open teams
01:04 <i2020> that was the idea of the pool....
01:05 <i2020> players should only stick their names down if they can come
01:05 <madmax|pt> another issue is players actually showing up
01:05 <Sticky> well how about you do handicap it.  the team will start off with -ve points depending on the past performance of their players
01:05 <i2020> and if teamcaptains were more captainy, they could determine what their team is
01:06 <i2020> sticky.. i would be interested in your ideas... but we need systems... an organic thing that works...
01:06 <madmax|pt> some days ago newbie proposed me for us to make a team
01:06 <i2020> it is too easy to come up with bits, some rules here, there, and so on... and it becomes unmanageable
01:06 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld like to see smaller teams
01:06 <i2020> i love the mayhem of 8v8
01:06 <madmax|pt> i think there's some interested players who didnt find a suitable team to play
01:06 <Lackadaisical> why didn't you play anyway mom?
01:07 <Your_mom_arma> im still shaking off the spoon
01:07 <i2020> it is big enough for interesting things to happen, like in football with 11
01:07 <Lackadaisical> lol
01:07 <Vanhayes> I like Your_mom_arma's idea, do a random draw sort of thing with a max team of 8 per however many teams
01:07 <i2020> qhehhe
01:07 <i2020> could work...
01:07 <Sticky> also using a double knockout system is an easy way to improve it.  it ensures you dont organise a team...play 3 matches and leave
01:07 <Vanhayes> like, there is no teams only a bug pool
01:07 <i2020> we could try it on the next ladle
01:08 <madmax|pt> maybe a championship like competition? and not knock-off?
01:08 <Lackadaisical> i think we should ask for email or something when people sign up
01:08 <Vanhayes> set a date for when sign ups are done then do the random draw and have the tourney a week or so later
01:08 <Your_mom_arma> max_players_per_team 8  and,  max_playing_per_round 4
01:08 <Vanhayes> that way you could get some practice in
01:08 <i2020> no then you have the same problem of people actually turhing up
01:09 <Sticky> league system is difficult as 8 teams goes to 27 games i think
01:09 <i2020> the pool works on the night... we just sort it out there and then
01:09 <i2020> league is hellish
01:09 <Vanhayes> but that would cause a whole lot of confusion
01:09 <i2020> i think the ladle proves one thing...
01:09 <Vanhayes> who would play where
01:09 <i2020> it is exciting... and somehow it works...
01:09 <madmax|pt> well, at least some more organised games
01:10 <Sticky> double knock out is a giid system. many international gaming tounaments use it
01:10 <Sticky> good even
01:10 <i2020> i am going to set up something along the lines gar suggested
01:10 <i2020> what's this double knock out?
01:10 <Lackadaisical> what did he suggest?
01:10 <Your_mom_arma> ?
01:10 <MaZuffeR> double knockout is a bit confusing though
01:10 <Lackadaisical> winners/loser brackets
01:11 <Sticky> http://www.kttl.helsinki.fi/msiivola/go/knockout.html
01:12 <Sticky> or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-elimination_tournament maybe better
01:13 <i2020> tghanks... my brain was beginning to melt..
01:13 <madmax|pt> lol
01:13 <Lackadaisical> what did gar suggest 2020?
01:13 <MaZuffeR> not much point in double knockout unless we get more teams though
01:13 <i2020> wait a mo... the ladle can support that
01:14 <i2020> there are always plenty of redundant servers in later rounds... and losers can play there if they wish
01:14 <Sticky> yeah and it does mean you are garenteed to play atleast 2 games
01:14 <i2020> as for gar's idea
01:15 <i2020> winner stays on...
01:15 <i2020> so... i was thinking... at eg 7pm gmt.... aw field a team and take any challenging team... noobs or clans or whoever
01:15 <i2020> if we win... we stay on... if we lose, then they must stay on...
01:16 <Vanhayes> so like king of the hill style?
01:16 <Sticky> hmm how does winner stays on work??? who wins at the end... the team who wins the last game
01:16 <i2020> yes... king of the grid...
01:16 <Lackadaisical> that could be done in a longer period of time, like you could challenge the winner every sunday night
01:16 <Lackadaisical> the one who wins the best out of three
01:16 <i2020> kings of the grid.. exactly...
01:16 <i2020> i think with the system we have it should be done by time...
01:17 <Sticky> yeah after all if you do it on 1 night you would have to be mad to play first
01:17 <Vanhayes> hmm you could do that but not as a competition, as something seperate
01:17 <i2020> every half hour.. .best of 3 maybe... or best score on the half hour
01:17 <Lackadaisical> yes, it should be seperate from the ladle
01:17 <i2020> yeah
01:17 <i2020> but you can record the sequence of wins...
01:17 <Lackadaisical> yes
01:17 <Vanhayes> King of the Grid has anice name to it too :)
01:17 <Vanhayes> ring*
01:17 <i2020> eg aw could end up winning 8 challenges in a row... and read those illustrious losers
01:18 <Vanhayes> ya and there would be no definite winner just a "most wins in a row" sort of thing
01:18 <Lackadaisical> we could start with aw-b since they proved to be the best till now
01:18 <i2020> the ladle can run in a month.. i just want to have some good games... and thought this might work
01:19 <i2020> we could do it for a strict amount of time... and have a queue system...
01:19 <i2020> if you lose.. you go to the back of the queue and wait your time to challenge... 
01:19 <Lackadaisical> well you dont need to have the same teams the whole time
01:19 <Lackadaisical> just as long as you are king
01:20 <i2020> anyway... there are plenty of ideas to try out... the trick is... do people want to experiment...?
01:20 <i2020> i think subs are acceptable..
01:20 <Sticky> im still not sure this addresses the problem of making the competition look less of an elitest organisation and encouraging others to take part
01:20 <i2020> that's a different matter...
01:20 <Lackadaisical> did anyone get btw why alf was calling us elitist?
01:20 <Vanhayes> well if we get alot of new people into it that would solve itself I'd hope
01:20 <i2020> look.... to be frank.. this is the best conversation i've had...
01:20 <Sticky> cos we wouldnt admit him last min tp the team
01:21 <i2020> but i think it could be even better...
01:21 <Vanhayes> I dont think he realized it was a tourney, he thought it was just a random match
01:21 <i2020> so... i hope you guys respond to emails... we manage to hook up.. .and we have a good discussion
01:22 <i2020> i am hoping to find one or two people who have enough time and energy to do something...
01:22 <i2020> together...
01:22 <i2020> self-organising works when people pull together
01:22 <i2020> because they want to
01:22 <i2020> not because they are being paid or someone is forcing them too...
01:23 <i2020> but it is a little trickier to pull off...
01:23 <Sticky> i think if you realy want this to take off self organising wont last long
01:23 <i2020> still i am hoping...
01:23 <i2020> it can... it just relies on team captains
01:23 <i2020> i mean... i don't know why durka did what he did
01:23 <Vanhayes> btw a problem getting new people for a Standard fortress tourney is that there aren't many well used standard fortress servers anymore 
01:24 <i2020> but i should not have listened tohim... i should just talk to my captain... he had no right to wander around and tell players to do this or go there etc
01:24 <Sticky> well also on having players that co-operate AW-B got a bye in that for no real reason
01:24 <i2020> bye's should happen in the first round.. obviuosly...
01:24 <i2020> not in the semi.
01:24 <Sticky> if there were non-cooperative people around they would bitch like hell
01:24 <Lackadaisical> yes the difference would only be that ws and aw b would play later
01:24 <Vanhayes> ya it should have been AW vs AW in the semis with SL getting the bye
01:24 <i2020> self-organising is the future... look how this game is being produced by the developers!
01:25 <Sticky> its totaly different
01:25 <i2020> why?
01:25 <Sticky> the developers arnt trying to kill eachother
01:25 <i2020> neither are teammates
01:25 <Sticky> no but the teams are
01:25 <Vanhayes> well there has to be some organising, but i agree that for the most part it should be done by players
01:26 <Your_mom_arma> Sticky: the developers arnt trying to kill eachother   --you havn't been in irc long enough
01:26 <i2020> i need to find some enthusiastic players who are old enough to... use their wisdom... heheh
01:26 <madmax|pt> ... Smaller number of players per teams -> better organisation, better "showing up"
01:26 <Lackadaisical> like.. 5 people per team?
01:26 <madmax|pt> More teams, larger competition
01:26 <i2020> i find the young players are enthusiastic... but they really just don't have a clue... and they don't have the social skills most of them...
01:27 <Vanhayes> ya maybe put a cap at 10
01:27 <madmax|pt> yes Lack
01:27 <Sticky> i would suggest an automatic tournament system to some extent... if z-man and co would like to code it
01:27 <i2020> the game is perfect with 8
01:27 <Vanhayes> that way the 16 + teams that show up with 5 or 6 wont be happening
01:27 <i2020> ?
01:27 <i2020> sorry?
01:28 <i2020> an automatic system might work...
01:28 <i2020> and what do you mean van?
01:28 <Sticky> yeah with an ability to set the team list and each member log ing
01:29 <Sticky> after all if i were looking to realy screw over a tournament i would just go from server to server joining the game and messigna round
01:29 <Vanhayes> if you put a player cap, the teams with 16+ players that only show up with 5 or 6 on the day will chose more carefully on who will actually show up
01:30 <Vanhayes> on who to put on the team based on who will actually show up*
01:30 <madmax|pt> i think some clans just dump they're players names on the sign up lists just show they're "big"
01:30 <Vanhayes> ya like LOL this time
01:30 <Sticky> but also I was thinking a spectator mode.  not logging in individualy to the game server as that will lag the server.  the game server sends the play data to a second server that people can then log into to watch the game
01:31 <MaZuffeR> being "big" is a bad thing for a clan imo
01:31 <madmax|pt> exactly
01:31 <madmax|pt> smaller the team/clan, the better they get along
01:31 <MaZuffeR> yep
01:31 <Sticky> it would be a lot more interesting to watch a game if you could do it without taking up a player spot
01:32 <madmax|pt> Arma TV™
01:32 <i2020> your email bounced... mazuffer@mazuffer.com
01:32 <MaZuffeR> it did?
01:32 <i2020> nice idea sticky... mirror server
01:32 <Lackadaisical> you sent it to mazzufer@mazzufer.com
01:32 <MaZuffeR> mail to mazuffer@hotmail.com instead
01:32 <i2020> for spectators
01:32 <Sticky> yeah would make recording games easy too
01:33 <madmax|pt> its ArmaTV!
01:33 <MaZuffeR> i should change nick to one that's easier to spell...
01:34 <Vanhayes> heh at least its easier than wrtlprnft 
01:34 <i2020> hhehe
01:34 <madmax|pt> "Upcoming next.. the most awaited game in Armagetron's history... Right after this Ad."
01:34 <i2020> heheh
01:34 <i2020> ehhehehe
01:34 <i2020> i am working on the ad
01:35 <madmax|pt> remembers me on how much i wanted instant replays
01:35 <Sticky> thats not a bad idea
01:35 <i2020> quick question... on a scale of 1 to 10... how good do you think this fortress 8v8 is? lightcycles, zman's acceleration... the whole thing...?
01:35 <Sticky> if a 2nd server was doing it, it could handle a action replay
01:35 <Sticky> 8
01:36 <Lackadaisical> it kinda depends on who i am playing with/against
01:36 <madmax|pt> not sure, after all, Zman's settings are the... standard
01:36 <madmax|pt> fortress that is
01:36 <i2020> exactly.. he has a good sense of design...
01:37 <Sticky> the only problem i would have with the game is that the start is very formulaic and any deviation risks certain defeat
01:37 <i2020> he came up with te closer you get to awall the more you acelerate too
01:37 <Sticky> modifying it to allow a range of starting possiblities could help
01:37 <i2020> q?
01:37 <i2020> it is about organising yourself well
01:37 <i2020> it is a beautiful start
01:37 <madmax|pt> "Bugfarm fortress: with non-scary starting positions"
01:38 <i2020> high intensity.... approaching the opponents at break neck speed
01:38 <Sticky> yeah but the start is so set in stone that not doing it is a kicking offense
01:38 <i2020> not true... i just don't think we have had stable enough teams foer variations to evolve
01:38  * Lucifer_arma notes he went to 3-team fortress to see what happened to starting lineups
01:39 <i2020> it is like chess... there seem s to be only one or two openings at this point... but with time... i think players can come up with more
01:39 <Lucifer_arma> of course, there were other issues with the setup
01:39 <Sticky> also...MISSILES
01:39 <i2020> all thre player games are odd...
01:39 <madmax|pt> a new player always gets himself away of the center wall, i wish i could remember my first fortress game to know exactly what i thought
01:39 <i2020> gametheory.... very odd
01:39 <Lackadaisical> ever played fortress with missiles? it sucks
01:40 <Sticky> can you add missiles to armagetron??
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07:58 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i need to adjust my cronjobs a bit...
07:59 <wrtlprnft> if the wlan connection drops for a while they hang, waiting for it to reappear, and stack, eating up all memory
07:59 <wrtlprnft> and killing my processes
08:04 <wrtlprnft> #last --with wrtlprnft --nolimit
08:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [01:35:03] <Vanhayes> heh at least its easier than wrtlprnft, [00:35:15] <ghableska> cu wrtlprnft, and [00:35:01] <madmax|pt> g'night wrtlprnft
08:07 <Your_mom_arma> #last --with wrtl --nolimit
08:07 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: [08:05:45] <wrtlprnft> #last --with wrtlprnft --nolimit, [06:25:55] <Your_mom_arma> is wrtl working on arma chat logs? or did i imagine that?, [01:35:03] <Vanhayes> heh at least its easier than wrtlprnft, [00:35:15] <ghableska> cu wrtlprnft, and [00:35:01] <madmax|pt> g'night wrtlprnft
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: I did "emerge pysqlite" and it failed.  Or something like that.  Trying to get sqlite for armabot awhile back
08:11 <Luke-Jr> oh, well maybe pysqlite is bugged
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> it failed on sqlite
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> which of course meant it couldn't do pysqlite, which has sqlite as a dependency
08:11 <Lucifer_arma> might have been a problem with a use flag, I don't know, didn't have any time to fool with it
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't matter, if the program's supposed to work with a default python install, then even a little dependency is out of the question
08:12 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: well, the chat logs are from my client
08:13 <wrtlprnft> so if it gets killed from lack of RAM the chatlogs won't work
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> and in some future version of python, they intend to bundle sqlite
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I thought he meant for the game server
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> ack, this program is driving me nuts
08:13 <Your_mom_arma> and mabey client
08:14 <Luke-Jr> the nice thing with C/C++ is that you can static link stuff ;)
08:14 <wrtlprnft> which game server?
08:14 <Luke-Jr> Arma
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> armagetronad-dedicated
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> as opposed to, say, civserver :)
08:15 <wrtlprnft> and what am i supposed to log?
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> chat?
08:15  * wrtlprnft just woke up
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhhhhhh
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> basically, his question is his way of asking "wasn't wrtlprnft making arma logs more sensible?"
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> :)
08:16 <wrtlprnft> uh, was i?
08:16 <wrtlprnft> i added timestamps to scorelog.txt, that's about all i did with that
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> [23:26] <Lucifer_arma> you might have imagined that, heh
08:16 <Lucifer_arma> [23:26] <Lucifer_arma> we talked about it a bit, I don't know if anyone started on it
08:17 <wrtlprnft> oh, and i was suggesting a new format for ladderlog
08:17 <Lucifer_arma> and most of us jumped in to bitch about the current logging system (if you can call it that)
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> and we all agreed it was fucked up, and then I think the thread just sort of stopped
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> actually, the log isn't that bad, it's just locale-dependent
08:18 <wrtlprnft> like most threads do if they start to involve actual work
08:18 <Lucifer_arma> yeah :)
08:19 <wrtlprnft> well, shouldn't it be possible to parse it together with the language file?
08:19 <Luke-Jr> How?is?the?log?locale?dependent?
08:20  * Luke-Jr ponders if he likes the extra-wide spaces/dash/qmark
08:20 <wrtlprnft> ie read the language file and find the appropiate string, prefix it with “^”, postix it with “$” and replace “\[0-9]” by “(.*)”
08:20 <wrtlprnft> then use that as a regex
08:20 <Luke-Jr> o that
08:20  * wrtlprnft doesn't use extra-wide spaces
08:20 <wrtlprnft> err
08:20 <wrtlprnft> extra–wide ;)
08:20 <wrtlprnft> well, it's the correct use
08:21 <Luke-Jr> why?not?
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> only problem is there are hard-coded strings too we have to work on
08:21 <wrtlprnft> - is a minus sign, not a dash
08:21 <wrtlprnft> " is an inch–or–something sign, NOT a quote
08:21 <Luke-Jr> I used ?, not -
08:21 <Lucifer_arma> he was correcting himself?
08:21 <Luke-Jr> of course, that's not a dash either
08:21 <wrtlprnft> 08:20  * Luke-Jr ponders if he likes the extra-wide spaces/________dash___________/qmark
08:21  * Lucifer_arma inserts obligatory Luke-Jr-bash
08:22 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr should be named Luke–Jr anyways
08:22 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: `?'?is not a `-'
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> yes and no
08:22 <Luke-Jr> ?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> they need to put a fucking em-dash on the keyboard
08:22 <wrtlprnft> i put one on mine
08:22 <wrtlprnft> –—
08:22 <Lucifer_arma> having to do weird shit to get a dash is dumb
08:23 <wrtlprnft> i have to press right alt+- to get a ndash
08:23 <wrtlprnft> i have to press right alt+shift+- to get a mdash
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> back in the days before we had all these anal typography people, we could use - for all of our dashing needs
08:23 <Luke-Jr> ??-
08:23 <wrtlprnft> …
08:23 <Lucifer_arma> now we have to do weird shit or get nit-picked
08:23  * wrtlprnft is just replying to Luke-Jr complaining about them
08:23 <Luke-Jr> ??-??
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> asdfasdfasdfasdf
08:24 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i only see ?
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't work for me
08:24 <Luke-Jr> who complined?
08:24 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: aww, you are lacking in fonts =p
08:24 <wrtlprnft> no, that's not the reason
08:24 <wrtlprnft> then i'd see those boxes
08:24  * Luke-Jr wonders why he has different dash-like widths when he's using a __fixed__-width font
08:24 <Lucifer_arma> that depends on the font and the client.  The boxes are only in ttf, iirc.  I'm getting question marks
08:24 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, you have to xmodmap those chars
08:24 <Luke-Jr> haha
08:24 <Luke-Jr>  Current charset: ANSI_X3.4-1968
08:24 <Luke-Jr> wtf
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: see?  that's weird shit!
08:25 <Luke-Jr> —ー-ー—
08:25 <wrtlprnft> NOW i'm getting boxes
08:25 <wrtlprnft> wd
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, me too
08:25  * Luke-Jr sets the default right
08:25 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: there's another option too
08:26 <wrtlprnft> bind the multi- key to something
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> how weird is it?
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> on a scale of 1 to 10, that is
08:26 <wrtlprnft> then press that key and --, to get a –
08:26 <wrtlprnft> no, --.
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> I have a better idea, but I can't do it.  Get keyboard makers to include the two dashes people use most and move the math symbols to a different place
08:27 <Luke-Jr> ☆☆☆ Lucifer_arma ☆☆☆
08:27 <wrtlprnft> x_X
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> I used to think _ was an em-dash, that's what it looks like anyway
08:27 <wrtlprnft> haha
08:27 <wrtlprnft> ≤≥≠=<>∈ math symbols ARE useful
08:27 <Luke-Jr> ☧
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:27 <wrtlprnft> ∞
08:27  * Lucifer_arma always wanted more comprehensive math symbols, too
08:27 <Luke-Jr> that looks like a pig nose
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> it is a pig nose
08:28 <wrtlprnft> heh, i have all of those bound to keys :)
08:28 <Luke-Jr> add hex characters with math symbols
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> what's the limit as x goes up the pig's nose?
08:28 <wrtlprnft> ⅛⅜⅝⅞⅞½¼¬°
08:28 <Luke-Jr> ⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> Why can't we just have another shift key?  Like "useful shift" or something?
08:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: german keyboards do
08:28 <Luke-Jr> ☎
08:28 <wrtlprnft> it's the right alt key, callled Alt Gr
08:29 <Luke-Jr> Japanese kbs too
08:29 <Luke-Jr> but it's used for changing character set
08:29 <wrtlprnft> ő
08:29 <Luke-Jr> I have a useful-shift somewhere
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> there you go, quit giving the damn US keyboard and instead give us a keyboard for some language that needs accents, and use the accent shift on characters you don't accent to give us useful shit
08:29 <Luke-Jr> it makes my question mark flip
08:29 <wrtlprnft> and this keyboard has a huge load of deadkeys
08:29 <Luke-Jr> no idea what it is tho
08:30 <Luke-Jr> my right-alt works like my left-alt...
08:30 <wrtlprnft> óòőöọŏôå
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> besides, most people in america need some accents anyway.  There are words in English that should be accented...
08:30 <wrtlprnft> plus at least three more, but i can't find them
08:31 <wrtlprnft> ǫņ
08:31 <wrtlprnft> missing one
08:31 <wrtlprnft> abovedot
08:31 <wrtlprnft> ȯ there we go
08:31 <Luke-Jr> Good night!
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> |_|  <--- another example of double-binding
08:32 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i read boxboxboxboxboxboxbox
08:32 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: your fonts suck >:O
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> how about emoticon keys?  yeah!
08:32  * Lucifer_arma explodes in a cloud of lameness
08:32 <Luke-Jr> ☹
08:33 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: well, dejavu sans mono has quite a few chars
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> er
08:33 <wrtlprnft> but you just can't mix monospaced fonts that ewell
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> luke owes me a monitor!  I thought that was a bug, so I hit it
08:33 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: obviously not nearly enough
08:33 <wrtlprnft> *well
08:33 <wrtlprnft> and japanese chars or whatever aren't that interesting to me
08:33 <Luke-Jr> they're normal English letters =p
08:33 <wrtlprnft> or good night :P
08:33 <Luke-Jr> from codepage 255
08:34 <wrtlprnft> in some weird spaced font
08:34 <Luke-Jr> table 255*
08:34 <Luke-Jr> anyhow, like I said
08:34 <Luke-Jr> g'night =p
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, my a/c just turned off
08:35 <wrtlprnft> night
08:35 <wrtlprnft> actually this font SHOULD have these chars
08:35 <wrtlprnft> probably this konsole instance is older than the font :P
08:35 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: there we go, restarted konsole, now they appear
08:37  * wrtlprnft wonders how long it will take for deja_vu_ to turn up here and say <_< or something similar
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> don't you know deja_vu_ is a bot?
08:38 <wrtlprnft> hehe
08:38 <wrtlprnft> well, he obviosly gets waked by “dejavu”
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> why do cops have to make so much goddamned noise?
08:38 <wrtlprnft> or shall i say she?
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> he better be arresting those kids for all the fucking noise he's making
08:39  * Lucifer_arma is sitting in his back yard at his picnic table and there's a cop in the street behind him bugging some teenagers
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> yep, he's arresting them
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> I just heard the ratcheting noise that handcuffs make
08:42 <wrtlprnft> o_O
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> they were probably smoking a joint or something and he pulled up
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> actually, if they're young enough they might be violating a curfew
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> don't know, we're out in the county and curfews are usually only done by cities
08:49 <wrtlprnft> ok, recording yesterday's matches to video :)
08:49 <wrtlprnft> still has the trouble with twice as many frames produced when the menus are activated
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> now they've got the other fucking cop out there flashing his lights
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> whiny kid just yelled "ow"
08:53 <wrtlprnft> o_O
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> cops aren't gentle with handcuffs
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> they're not being brutal, or there'd be a lot of noise, but they're not gentle either
08:55 <DrJoeTron> haha oh man
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> I think one of the kids' moms just showed up, I heard a loud woman talking
08:57 <wrtlprnft> maybe she was just complaining about the noise
08:57 <DrJoeTron> haha wrtlprnft 
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's not that loud, it's only bothersome if you're trying to program at your picnic table :)
08:58 <wrtlprnft> is there a way to losslessly cut a mpeg4 movie?
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> I think mplayer can do it
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> probably not, though.  Doesn't mpeg4 depend on previous frames?
08:59 <wrtlprnft> need to, this recording contains 5 minutes of trash in at the beginning
08:59 <wrtlprnft> maybe i should just hack arma to skip them
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> how is it doing the encoding?
08:59 <wrtlprnft> with --videoout
09:00 <wrtlprnft> piping screenshots into mplayer
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, is it piping it?
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok.  Hmmm.......
09:00 <Your_mom_arma> i think its 16 frames per index note
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> doesn't mplayer have an option to skip some amount of junk?
09:00 <wrtlprnft> i'd need to know how much junk
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> if you used transcode, you could encode to dvi first, which is lossless, then edit in a number of programs, then output to something else
09:00 <wrtlprnft> i can't just look at the time and multiply it by 30
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> also, if you encode it to some high resolution, then cut it and rescale it down to a lower resolution, the loss shouldn't be noticeable
09:02 <wrtlprnft> maybe i should just pipe it into a file first
09:02 <wrtlprnft> then see what i can do with that
09:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, mplayer will let you skip something at the beginning and copy the stream, which afaik is lossless except for maybe a few affected frames
09:03 <wrtlprnft> you think 9.2GB is enough for an uncompressed file?
09:04 <wrtlprnft> also, how do i tell mencoder to encode to dvi?
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know if mencoder can even handle dvi
09:05 <wrtlprnft> x_X
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> #google transcode
09:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.08 seconds: Transcode_Wiki: Transcode Wiki: <http://www.transcoding.org/>; Transcode_Wiki: Transcode FAQ: <http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?Transcode_FAQ>; freshmeat.net: Project details for transcode: <http://freshmeat.net/projects/transcode/>; Transcode - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcode>; What is transcoding? - A Word (2 more messages)
09:05 <Lucifer_arma> one of the cops just left
09:06 <wrtlprnft> maybe i'll just hack arma :s
09:07 <wrtlprnft> to make a screenshot every frame
09:07 <Lucifer_arma> isn't that what it does?
09:07 <wrtlprnft> then i can decide what to do with them later
09:07 <wrtlprnft> just don't pipe them, save them as PNGs
09:08 <wrtlprnft> #g 640*480*3*3600*30
09:08 <armabot> 640 * 480 * 3 * 3,600 * 30 = 99,532,800,000
09:08 <wrtlprnft> #g 640*480*3*3600*30 bytes in GB
09:08 <armabot> 640 * 480 * 3 * 3,600 * (30 bytes) = 92.6971436 gigabytes
09:08 <wrtlprnft> errm
09:08 <wrtlprnft> that's a LOT
09:08 <wrtlprnft> i can't really save that in raw format
09:09 <wrtlprnft> #g 300*3600*30 kb in GB
09:09 <armabot> 300 * 3,600 * (30 kb) = 3.86238098 gigabytes
09:09 <wrtlprnft> better
09:09 <wrtlprnft> that's about what i'd get PNG- encoded
09:10 <Lucifer_arma> um, isn't that what it does now?  Or what?
09:11 <wrtlprnft> --videoout sends an uncompressed stream to stdout
09:11 <wrtlprnft> i wanna make it write PNG
09:14 <Lucifer_arma> http://lives.sourceforge.net/index.php?do=screenshots
09:18 <Lucifer_arma> Real time capture/recording of interactive (via mouseclicks) external windows  <--- :)
09:19 <Lucifer_arma> cp: cannot stat `.libs/cjpeg': No such file or directory  <--- I've been getting a lot of errors like this, wtf?
09:20 <wrtlprnft> no clue
09:20 <wrtlprnft> o great
09:20 <wrtlprnft> PNG encoding is REALLY slow
09:21 <wrtlprnft> o well, but it's probably the most useful format later :)
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> I'm disapointed by the number of gentoo packages that fail to install with an error like that
09:36 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
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09:54 <Lucifer_arma> that's stupid
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> I fixed my -mcpu to -mtune and it's fixed it
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> :/
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10:32 <Lucifer_arma> I need some video
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12:43 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: need some video?
12:43 <wrtlprnft> what about watching the aw-b vas wpn match?
12:46 <deja_vu_> wrtlprnft: <_<
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12:46 <wrtlprnft> haha
12:46 <wrtlprnft> i like the effect you get when loading a page with the new wiki skin
12:47 <wrtlprnft> you look at a loaded page, go to a link, then it turns white during loading, but you still see the lines burnt into your eyes briefly
13:17 <wrtlprnft> lol i have 6GB of screenshots of the aw-b vs wpn match now.
13:23 <Lucifer_arma> I made a video, but now I need it in a format cinelerra understands
13:23 <wrtlprnft> i need something able to handle 92261 images in the same dir :s
13:24 <wrtlprnft> kuickshow crashes
13:31 <wrtlprnft> #g 350*30
13:31 <armabot> 350 * 30 = 10,500
13:35 <wrtlprnft> frame 015649 is the first one
13:35 <wrtlprnft> writing it here so i don't forget
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> emerge cinelerra
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> then try this for a commandline:
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> armagetronad --videoout --playback test.aarec | mencoder - -demuxer rawvideo -rawvideo w=640:h=480:format=rgb24:fps=11 -o aarec.avi -of avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg
13:37 <wrtlprnft> i'm not gonna play it back again
13:37 <wrtlprnft> now that i have screenshots of every frame i'll just use the images as input :P
13:37 <wrtlprnft> but thanks
13:37 <wrtlprnft> and my framerate is a fixed 30fps
13:37 <wrtlprnft> except in menus where it's 60 for some reason
13:39 <wrtlprnft> #g 92261-15649
13:39 <armabot> 92,261 - 15,649 = 76,612
13:39 <wrtlprnft> #g (92261-15649)/25
13:39 <armabot> (92,261 - 15,649) / 25 = 3,064.48
13:39 <wrtlprnft> #g (92261-15649)/30
13:39 <armabot> (92,261 - 15,649) / 30 = 2,553.73333
13:39 <wrtlprnft> #g (92261-15649)/30 seconds in minutes
13:39 <armabot> (92,261 - 15,649) / (30 arcseconds) = 1.81081699 * 10^(12) arcminutes
13:39 <wrtlprnft> wtf
13:40 <wrtlprnft> #g ((92261-15649)/30) seconds in minutes
13:40 <armabot> ((92,261 - 15,649) / 30) * seconds = 42.5622222 minutes
13:40 <wrtlprnft> gives 42 minutes of video
13:40  * wrtlprnft wonders if creating 76,612 hardlinks is a bad idea
13:45 <wrtlprnft> oh, wow. This is gonna take some time
13:46 <wrtlprnft> 23fps
13:47  * wrtlprnft slaps himself for storing all the images on his server
13:49 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you emerge cinelerra and spend a few minutes reading their docs, you can do what you want with it :)
13:49 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: mjpeg doesn't exactly seem to be a small format
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> probably isn't, heh
13:50 <wrtlprnft> nothing i can make available for download, anyways
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> rendering to something smaller right now
13:50 <wrtlprnft> 250MB already
13:50 <wrtlprnft> how long is your movie?
14:02 <wrtlprnft> #g 15694+30*600
14:02 <armabot> 15,694 + (30 * 600) = 33,694
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> 1.5MB
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> er
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> but umm, wait
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> 12MB
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> but it's only like 20 seconds
14:11 <wrtlprnft> yeah, well
14:11 <wrtlprnft> mine is 45 minutes
14:12 <wrtlprnft> i'll see if i can upload it to google video or youtube once i'm done
14:14 <wrtlprnft> it's at 650 seconds now, this can take a while
14:15 <wrtlprnft> > I thank you now to put the file on the SVN
14:15 <wrtlprnft> sounds funny, though he probably didn't mean it that way
14:16 <wrtlprnft> now PUT THE FILE ON SVN or i'll… ;)
14:33 <Lucifer_arma> I think that's a girl.  Isn't patrice a girl's name, even in france?
14:33 <wrtlprnft> dunno
14:44 <wrtlprnft> looks like the movie's gonna be around 250MB
14:46 <guru3> i've now got my very own DMM :D
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15:28 <wrtlprnft> grr, youtube seems to take forever to convert that movie...
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16:51 <wrtlprnft> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb1Z9VU_Yco
16:51 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:54 <wrtlprnft> and i just found a way to record arma with a total lack of framerate loss: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLn0Y_DA8bc
16:54 <MaZuffeR> lol@bicycletron
16:55 <wrtlprnft> and it still didn't convert my ladle movie :(
16:56 <wrtlprnft> maybe it won't because it's actually got a length of 10 minutes + one frame
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18:11 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *joda* for your CGI:IRC interface, is it possible to set it up so you can join any channel that contains “arma”?
18:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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18:15 <ghableska> hi madmax|pt
18:18 <madmax|pt> hello
18:20 <wrtlprnft> hi
18:21 <ghableska> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5311298.stm?ls <--- Hmm.
18:23 <wrtlprnft> does anyone know how i can mark a new page as patrolled if there have already been changes to it?
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18:32 <madmax|pt> the quarter finals of the ladle were:  AW-B vs WPN, SL vs CT, and AW-A vs WS right?
18:32 <ghableska> yeah
18:37 <madmax|pt> what was the result on WS vs AW-A? 2-1 or 2-0 ?
18:39 <wrtlprnft> Did anyone of you ever upload a movie to youtube? If so, how long was it and how long did it take until it actually appeared on the site?
18:51 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: madmax|pt: Vanhayes: armabot: remind me to lock http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Ladle-4/Challenge_Board on October 1
18:51 <ghableska> ok
18:52 <ghableska> tronic monkeys?
18:52 <ghableska> O_o
18:52 <madmax|pt> ok
18:55 <wrtlprnft> who decided that AW is gonna form 7 teams?
18:55 <ghableska> ?
18:55 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Ladle-4/Team_List
18:56 <ghableska> hmm
18:56 <wrtlprnft> For example, anarchic wanderers players will each or in pairs, start up a new team.
18:56 <wrtlprnft> that makes at least 7 teams with 14 players
18:56 <ghableska> will play each other?
18:56 <ghableska> oh, nvm
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19:01 <madmax|pt> my phone wire which connects to my modem is loose
19:01 <madmax|pt> that's bad
19:01 <ghableska> O_O
19:03 <Luke-Jr> do dialup over voip =p\
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19:10 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: what about voip over dialup over voip over dialup?
19:10 <Luke-Jr> that's guaranteed to not work =p
19:10 <wrtlprnft> why?
19:10 <Luke-Jr> voip over dialup uses GSM
19:11 <Luke-Jr> GSM can't carry modem frequencies
19:11 <wrtlprnft> grr
19:11 <wrtlprnft> unimportant technical problems
19:11 <Luke-Jr> =p
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19:14 <wrtlprnft> lame, just two people downloaded my movie
19:14 <wrtlprnft> or at least started the download, dunno if they finished it
19:20 <madmax|pt> i could be both, i downloaded a bit through my browser, and another bit through wget
19:20 <madmax|pt> lol
19:20 <madmax|pt> thats a big file
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19:28 <wrtlprnft> nah, two different IPs
19:29 <wrtlprnft> three times you, infact
19:29 <wrtlprnft> the other one is probably 2020
19:29 <MaZuffeR> i am downloading it atm
19:29 <wrtlprnft> ah
19:29 <madmax|pt> i restarted downloading it now
19:30 <wrtlprnft> good luck you two
19:30 <wrtlprnft> you'll get 40KB/s probably
19:30 <madmax|pt> theres probably two ip's of mine there, due to the phone wire issue
19:30 <madmax|pt> im getting 70
19:30 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:31 <madmax|pt> hmm, between 50 and 70
19:31 <MaZuffeR> i can't check, my firefox is broken, no download manager
19:31 <wrtlprnft> well, it's a lame connection
19:31 <wrtlprnft> but i can't upload a file that big anywhere I know of
19:32 <Vanhayes> how big is it?
19:32 <[dlh]> google video won't take it?
19:32 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: too big even for that
19:32 <wrtlprnft> ~250mb
19:32 <wrtlprnft> i uploaded the first ten minutes to youtube
19:32 <Vanhayes> hmm where can I download it?
19:32 <madmax|pt> you have the one of the final game too?
19:32 <wrtlprnft> but it's still processing it
19:32 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: i have a recording, no video yet
19:33 <wrtlprnft> i'll make one
19:33 <madmax|pt> ok, that was a nice game :)
19:33 <wrtlprnft> don't expect it to be available soon, it takes its time
19:33 <madmax|pt> Van http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/awbvswpn.avi
19:33 <wrtlprnft> anyone interested in the raw PNGs?
19:33 <wrtlprnft> 9GB
19:35 <[dlh]> can't you upload it to archive.org?
19:35 <Vanhayes> heh no thanks, thats a bit too much for me
19:35 <[dlh]> They accept user videos, right?
19:35 <wrtlprnft> uh, never seen that site
19:35 <[dlh]> Really?
19:35 <wrtlprnft> oh, i did
19:35 <[dlh]> They archive the internet :S
19:35 <wrtlprnft> by looking at it
19:35 <wrtlprnft> but just briefly
19:36 <wrtlprnft> uh, is there any catch with that site?
19:36 <wrtlprnft> or do they just have too much storage/bandwidth?
19:36 <[dlh]> No, everything is done with good intentions, no catches. The media must be in the public domain, though, I think
19:37 <wrtlprnft> o well, no problem with that
19:39 <wrtlprnft> Upload the highest quality file you have (for many formats the Archive will automatically create smaller files).
19:39 <wrtlprnft> they can't MEAN that?!
19:39 <wrtlprnft> the best quality file would be a 9GB tarball of PNGs
19:39 <[dlh]> heh
19:40 <wrtlprnft> well, i'll stick to the avi
19:43 <wrtlprnft> uh
19:43 <wrtlprnft> that ftp server contains 4 dirs
19:43 <wrtlprnft> 0
19:43 <wrtlprnft> 1
19:43 <wrtlprnft> 2
19:43 <wrtlprnft> 3
19:43 <wrtlprnft> 4
19:43 <wrtlprnft> no, not 4
19:44 <wrtlprnft> but all the others
19:50 <wrtlprnft> hmm, console FTP seems to work
19:53 <wrtlprnft> though it won't give me a report on how much of the upload it completed :(
19:55 <mkzelda> Is luke's aa ebuild that snags svn trunk still around?
19:57 <wrtlprnft> uh, i think so
19:58 <wrtlprnft> just don't ask me where
19:59 <wrtlprnft> 23:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> grab it here: http://xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org/~pso/armagetronad-0.3.0.ebuild.tbz2
19:59 <wrtlprnft> dunno if that's it
19:59 <wrtlprnft> just greped my logs
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20:13 <madmax|pt> hi Lack
20:13 <Lackadaisical> hi
20:13 <Lackadaisical> are you going to captain a team on the fourth ladle?
20:16 <wrtlprnft> dunno
20:16 <wrtlprnft> i don't wanna run around recruiting
20:17 <DrJoeTron> boo ladle
20:17 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:18 <DrJoeTron> i mean uh....
20:18 <DrJoeTron> "D
20:18 <Vanhayes> when is the next one?
20:18 <wrtlprnft> x_X
20:18 <wrtlprnft> there seem to be lots of people downloading the movie now
20:18 <Lackadaisical> first of october
20:18 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: RTFW, it's organized now :)
20:18 <Lackadaisical> you made a movie? of the matches yesterday? cool
20:19 <wrtlprnft> of the awbvswpn one
20:19 <wrtlprnft> the final match is in progress
20:19 <wrtlprnft> at stage 1, to be exact
20:19 <DrJoeTron> i wish there were tourneys for classic teamplay
20:19 <Lackadaisical> where can i download it?
20:19 <madmax|pt> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/awbvswpn.avi
20:20 <wrtlprnft> x_X
20:20 <madmax|pt> o_O
20:20 <DrJoeTron> oh god
20:20 <wrtlprnft> i guess at the time i managed uploading it to archive.org everyone will have it
20:20 <Lackadaisical> how big is it?
20:20 <wrtlprnft> 250MB
20:20 <wrtlprnft> *managed to upload it
20:21 <wrtlprnft> 250MB over a 80KB/s connection with approximately 3 people downloading it at the same time
20:21 <Lackadaisical> guess ill wait till you put it on archive.org
20:22 <wrtlprnft> thanks :)
20:22 <wrtlprnft> 9% complete
20:22 <wrtlprnft> i uploaded the first 10 minutes to youtube, but it didn't convert it yet
20:25 <mkzelda> oh shit i just remembered the ladle
20:26 <mkzelda> heh
20:26 <mkzelda> guess i missed that
20:26 <mkzelda> and i was here, playing freeciv
20:27 <wrtlprnft> haha
20:27 <wrtlprnft> hope you had a fun game
20:27 <mkzelda> no im terrible
20:27 <wrtlprnft> next one is on october 1st
20:27 <mkzelda> i dont understand a lot of things about it
20:27 <wrtlprnft> i do understand it, but that doesn't make me better
20:27 <wrtlprnft> i'm too peaceful
20:27 <mkzelda> same here
20:28 <Vanhayes> I attack everyone
20:28 <mkzelda> ive gotten to where im fast enuf that the historian publishes me as the richest/largest/happiest/advanced
20:28 <mkzelda> but, military... no
20:28 <wrtlprnft> i only build diplomats
20:28 <mkzelda> heh
20:28 <wrtlprnft> they don't have upkeep
20:28 <mkzelda> ive started liking them
20:28 <wrtlprnft> but if you actually use them they get expensive
20:29 <wrtlprnft> so you need lots of money
20:29 <Vanhayes> ya in the end if its player vs player the only thing that really matters is military
20:29 <mkzelda> i cant figure out some things like why some of my cities dont produce anything
20:29 <wrtlprnft> well, if you have a good defense and economy you can go to alpha centauri :P
20:29 <Vanhayes> that has to do with where you place them
20:29 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: that's shield points
20:30 <mkzelda> ya, and i place next them next to fish and buffalo n stuff
20:30 <mkzelda> but im always out food, even w/ the pyramids
20:30 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: heh ya but that only works if your enemy is doing the same thing
20:30 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: if your city has to keep up lots of units it will produce less
20:30 <wrtlprnft> like settlers/workers/military stuff
20:30 <mkzelda> so, if i change a unit's home city?
20:30 <mkzelda> it will be okay?
20:30 <Vanhayes> ya the govt. has to do with that too
20:30 <wrtlprnft> they'll use that city's production points
20:31 <mkzelda> ya, and every time i get democracy it wont last more than a few rounds
20:31 <mkzelda> b4 they revolt
20:31 <wrtlprnft> oh
20:31 <wrtlprnft> you need to keep your people happy
20:31 <Vanhayes> democracy is only good for science
20:31 <mkzelda> ya
20:31 <wrtlprnft> a city revolting two consecutive turns causes anarchy
20:31 <Vanhayes> communism is best for war
20:31 <wrtlprnft> increase luxury or give more citisens jobs
20:32 <mkzelda> im terrible w/ alliances too
20:32 <wrtlprnft> you need at least as many happy people as unhappy ones
20:32 <mkzelda> b/c i played a game where i denied everyone and then they said 'your hostile acts have led to war'
20:32 <mkzelda> but i hadnt produced any units that could attack
20:34 <mkzelda> one computer allied me and then attacked me a few turns later
20:34 <mkzelda> and sometimes it says im allied w/ people i totally havent accepted it
20:35 <wrtlprnft> fact is, the AI does have a big advantage on island games
20:35 <wrtlprnft> it already knows which squares are land and which are water from the beginning
20:35 <wrtlprnft> so they can colonize everything with triremes
20:35 <mkzelda> oh im playing an island game and its the first time i can survive
20:35 <mkzelda> oh i was gonna ask how to do that
20:35 <mkzelda> what is the difference between fortify and sentry too?
20:36 <wrtlprnft> uh
20:36 <wrtlprnft> fortify gives you 50% defense bonus
20:36 <wrtlprnft> but you need free movement points
20:37 <wrtlprnft> sentry gives you nothing
20:37 <wrtlprnft> they just stay where they are and don't ask for instructions
20:37 <mkzelda> ok
20:37 <wrtlprnft> but they will as soon as they see an enemy unit
20:37 <mkzelda> is there a way to make units defend you?
20:37 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:37 <wrtlprnft> put them in cities
20:37 <mkzelda> cause my units just watch me die
20:38 <mkzelda> w/ fortify?
20:38 <wrtlprnft> i think you just need to put them on the city square
20:39 <wrtlprnft> umm, and cities on rivers are harder to attack
20:43  * spidey yawbs
20:43  * spidey yawbs
20:43 <spidey> bah
20:45 <mkzelda> so how do i get units to other islands?
20:45 <spidey> ships?
20:45 <mkzelda> which kind?
20:45 <spidey> transport
20:45 <mkzelda> thats what its called?
20:45 <spidey> well
20:46 <spidey> they differ from different ages
20:46  * madmax|pt pokes spidey 
20:46 <spidey> max :)
20:46 <spidey> man
20:46 <spidey> i just got home
20:46 <wrtlprnft> bad.
20:46 <spidey> and haven't ate in 28+ hours -_-
20:46 <mkzelda> i have caravel and ironclad atm
20:46 <spidey> caravel
20:46 <mkzelda> how do i load them into it
20:47 <wrtlprnft> put the ship next to a land square
20:47 <spidey> click the unit press "G" then click the ship
20:47 <wrtlprnft> then move the unit onto the ship
20:47 <mkzelda> oh
20:47 <wrtlprnft> then move the ship away
20:47 <mkzelda> i swear ive tried that
20:48 <mkzelda> then i decided that that was just an explorer for water
20:48 <wrtlprnft> nah
20:48 <wrtlprnft> even triremes can carry people
20:48 <mkzelda> do ironclad attack anything?
20:49 <wrtlprnft> sure
20:49 <wrtlprnft> other ships
20:49 <mkzelda> ah
20:49 <mkzelda> and how do i do that?
20:49 <mkzelda> :D
20:49 <wrtlprnft> well
20:49 <wrtlprnft> just move your ship onto the other ship?
20:50 <mkzelda> can anything attack cities from sea?
20:50 <Vanhayes> any attack ship
20:50 <Vanhayes> but they cant take over a city
20:51 <wrtlprnft> unless someone's on them
20:51 <mkzelda> this game requires too much learning :D
20:52 <mkzelda> i tried reading some walkthroughs and they're tough reads
20:52 <Vanhayes> you can pick it up by playing pretty quickly I found
20:52 <wrtlprnft> http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/Game_Manual
20:52 <mkzelda> I usually do this unless the computer does this and then i do this but then the computer does this so i have to do this before i got to do this when i really wanted to do this but then the computer does this
21:02 <mkzelda> how many cities do u usually build?
21:02 <wrtlprnft> less than 12
21:02 <mkzelda> why?
21:02 <spidey> i build 5-7
21:02 <wrtlprnft> gives you more content citisens
21:02 <spidey> then rapture
21:03 <spidey> no
21:03 <mkzelda> oh, maybe thats why all mine are pissed
21:03 <mkzelda> ive got 15
21:03 <spidey> city size has to do with content citizens unless you use monarchy
21:03 <spidey> not amount of cities,unless that D government or monarchy
21:03 <wrtlprnft> spidey: no
21:03 <spidey> wrtlprnft, yes
21:04 <mkzelda> ya ive got a monarchy atm cause its the only one thats stable for me
21:04 <spidey> Marco, communism
21:04 <wrtlprnft> if you have less than a certain amount of cities you get 4 content citisens, the rest are unhappy
21:04 <spidey> 'er
21:04 <wrtlprnft> if you have more than a certain amount of cities you get 3 content citisens, the rest are unhappy
21:04 <Marco> ?
21:04 <spidey> mkzelda, communism :p
21:04 <Marco> :D
21:04 <spidey> ......
21:04 <wrtlprnft> ………………………………………………
21:04 <spidey> i've never had that problem
21:04 <mkzelda> what do you have to research for space race?
21:05 <wrtlprnft> uh, different things
21:05 <wrtlprnft> plastics
21:05 <wrtlprnft> is one of them
21:05 <wrtlprnft> space flight you need for apollo program
21:05 <wrtlprnft> then someone has to build that wonder
21:06 <wrtlprnft> then you can build space components
21:06 <wrtlprnft> you need superconductors for space modules
21:06 <wrtlprnft> errr
21:06 <wrtlprnft> apollo program gives you space structurals
21:06 <wrtlprnft> plastics gives you space components
21:07 <wrtlprnft> and superconductors give you space modules
21:07 <wrtlprnft> you need all three
21:12 <madmax|pt> some dicks @ shrunkland
21:12 <madmax|pt> that's happening a bit often
21:12 <madmax|pt> so spidey, did you delete tron?
21:13 <spidey> ....
21:14 <madmax|pt> ...
21:15 <Lackadaisical> why is alex saying to everyone he won the ladle?
21:15 <spidey> what's today?
21:15 <spidey> oh,nvm
21:15 <spidey> i missed the ladle :(
21:15 <mkzelda> ya me too
21:16 <mkzelda> cause i was playing freeciv
21:16 <deja_vu> hey spidey :)
21:16 <spidey> i was at my cousins house
21:16 <spidey> like 15 people in a house that shouldn't have more than 7
21:16 <spidey> i be damned if i goto a party in a house that small again!
21:20 <spidey> deja_vu, 
21:22 <spidey> steve irwin bit the dust o.o
21:24 <mkzelda> how do i honor a joint compaign against someone
21:24 <mkzelda> cause i've been attacking the person im supposed to attack
21:24 <mkzelda> but the ai keeps getting mad saying im not holding up my end
21:24 <spidey> don't ally with a AI
21:24 <Vanhayes> the ai makes sense barely half the time
21:24 <spidey> bad idea :p
21:24 <Vanhayes> he will eventually turn on you
21:25 <mkzelda> ya i had one do that 2 turns later
21:28 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
21:30 <mkzelda> how do i create an embassy and how does it help?
21:30 <spidey> bbl, moving computer and stuff to another room
21:31 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: you have to have had contact with that civilisation
21:31 <wrtlprnft> then you can make it part of a treaty
21:31 <mkzelda> yea, i did that
21:31 <wrtlprnft> or build marko polo's embassy
21:31 <mkzelda> i can create one in russia
21:31 <mkzelda> oh i almost have that done
21:31 <wrtlprnft> and it makes available some information about that other culture
21:31 <wrtlprnft> like what techs they have
21:33 <mkzelda> are wonders available only to the first to build them, or are only some of them like that?
21:33 <wrtlprnft> all of them
21:33 <Vanhayes> it also shows how much money they have, what govt. they are using, and what they are currently researching
21:33 <mkzelda> so its like having diplomats everywhere
21:33 <mkzelda> the marco polo
21:33 <wrtlprnft> the first civ who builds it blocks all others
21:34 <mkzelda> i have all but one of them
21:34 <mkzelda> i mean, of the ones built
21:34 <mkzelda> i keep buying the ones the ocmputer is working on
21:34 <wrtlprnft> haha
21:35 <mkzelda> im working on the statue of liberty in new york
21:35 <mkzelda> just kinda worked out like that
21:35 <wrtlprnft> heh
21:35 <wrtlprnft> video recording takes forever
21:35 <wrtlprnft> just recorded the first 2 matches
21:35 <wrtlprnft> now i need the 3rd
21:36 <mkzelda> can i repair my ironclads?
21:36 <wrtlprnft> sure
21:36 <wrtlprnft> put them in a city
21:36 <wrtlprnft> and let them sit there for a few rounds
21:36 <mkzelda> good deal
21:37 <mkzelda> ive gotten 100 questions answered
21:37 <mkzelda> thanks
21:37 <wrtlprnft> yw
21:37 <mkzelda> finding all of it individually would have taken some time
21:37 <wrtlprnft> uh
21:37 <wrtlprnft> just read the manual :P
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21:37 <wrtlprnft> that's what i did
21:37 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: hi, say something
21:38 <mkzelda> i have, as well as faqs and forums
21:38 <joda_bot> HI
21:38 <joda_bot> wops
21:38 <mkzelda> but its hard to make sense of it out of context
21:38 <wrtlprnft> just wanted you to get that #message
21:38 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I'll have a look
21:38 <wrtlprnft> ty
21:39 <wrtlprnft> whoever still downloaded the movie either aborted or finished
21:39 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I've encountered some (for me) difficult problems while compiling trunk
21:40 <wrtlprnft> they're probably not related to me :s
21:40 <wrtlprnft> ask Luke-Jr
21:40 <wrtlprnft> but sure, i'll help you if i can
21:44 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
21:44 <ghableska> hello
21:46 <wrtlprnft> wb
21:46 <ghableska> thx
21:47 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: let me update to the latest build
21:49 -!- joda_web [n=543d0394@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
21:50 <joda_web> wrtprnft: you should now be able to access any "arma" channel
21:51 <wrtlprnft> :)
21:51 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:51  * Luke-Jr blames Lucifer_arma 
21:52 <joda_bot> Ok, I guess I've to read much posts some day ...
21:52 <joda_bot> been to busy to check the forums lately
21:52 <joda_bot> Did Sty join dev ? ;)
21:52 <wrtlprnft> no
21:52 <Luke-Jr> you mean pig? =p
21:52 <joda_bot> Looks like it would be a good idea, to atleast give him a branch to put his code into
21:53 <joda_bot> Would be bad if the capture the flag stuff just remains at demo level
21:54 -!- me435 [n=luke@] has joined #armagetron
21:54 <me435> hi
21:54 <me435> bye
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21:54 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: yes, right ... sty is the shooting mode right ? ... and pig is the developer ;)
21:54 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: no, sty is his server =p
21:54 <joda_bot> He told me to read some thread on armagetronad.net forums, but I've not seen it last time 
21:54 <joda_bot> oh ah
21:55 <Luke-Jr> 8 players is too few for CTF
21:55 <wrtlprnft> uh, the server is full right now
21:55 <wrtlprnft> and pig can't host more
21:55 <Luke-Jr> it's always full
21:55 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: well, host it on your server :P
21:55 <Luke-Jr> pig won't get a dedicated server cuz he doesn't have time to admin it
21:55 <Luke-Jr> so someone should step up to admin for him
21:56 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: I offered him a discount =p
21:56 <Luke-Jr> but he said he doesn't have the time to admin it
21:57 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: http://www.archive.org/details/tronic_ladle_3_awb_vs_wpn
21:58 <ghableska> heh
22:00 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Template:WPN
22:00 <wrtlprnft> omg
22:00 <wrtlprnft> we don't need a template for every clan!
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22:00 <Luke-Jr> ROFL
22:00 <ghableska> ...
22:00 <Luke-Jr> racingmasterweb: that's a long name you've got there
22:00 <racingmasterweb> yes it is
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22:01 <Luke-Jr> wouldn't "-ct-Kyle" be better? ;p
22:01 <wrtlprnft> uh
22:02 <wrtlprnft> a nick can't start with -
22:02 <Luke-Jr> why not?
22:02 <Luke-Jr> it can start with [
22:02 <Luke-Jr> oh well
22:02 <Luke-Jr> "ct-kyle" =p
22:02 <wrtlprnft> well, maybe it can
22:02 <wrtlprnft> 22:02 -!- -asdf Erroneous Nickname
22:02 <joda_bot> kyle: got any luck building with code blocs ?
22:02 <Lackadaisical> only.. 2 and half hours left till the movie has been downloaded
22:02 <joda_bot> Lack ?
22:03 <wrtlprnft> Lackadaisical: x_X
22:03 <joda_bot> hi Lackadaisical ;)
22:03 <Lackadaisical> hi :)
22:03 <wrtlprnft> Lackadaisical: give me better webspace :P
22:03 <Lackadaisical> how long is the movie?
22:04 <Luke-Jr> ...
22:04 <Lackadaisical> i'm not supposed to ask that?
22:04 <wrtlprnft> some 45 minutes
22:04 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: I'm catching up ;)
22:04 <wrtlprnft> the awvsaw one is gonna be even bigger
22:05 <wrtlprnft> still recording btw
22:06 <racingmasterweb> jada_bot no i still have not tried too hard though
22:07 <joda_bot> jada jada joda jada jada ... from which movie is this jada jada jada ?
22:07 <joda_bot> The Nanny ?
22:07 <joda_bot> hm, no cle
22:07 <joda_bot> clue
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22:09 <wrtlprnft> ok, the recording is going into its last round now
22:09 <ghableska> :D
22:09 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: the last round of the last match, did you die on prpose?
22:10 <wrtlprnft> someone from aw-a said, “if you suck hit a wall”
22:10 <wrtlprnft> and you promptly did
22:10 <ghableska> hehe
22:11 <wrtlprnft> 96-92
22:11 <wrtlprnft> exciting
22:11 <wrtlprnft> now the yellow zone is spinning
22:11 <Lackadaisical> spinning hard
22:11 <wrtlprnft> now 2 ppl died
22:12 <wrtlprnft> and gold WON!
22:12  * ghableska died
22:12 <wrtlprnft> now i need to find the first frame of actual play
22:12 <wrtlprnft> then i need to render the movie
22:12 <wrtlprnft> then upload it
22:13 <wrtlprnft> 103325 frames
22:14 <joda_bot> render the movie O.o
22:14 <wrtlprnft> captured to PNG at about 14FPS
22:14 <joda_bot> ui ...
22:14 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: that's gonna take just as long
22:14 <wrtlprnft> the movie's gonna have 30fps
22:15 <wrtlprnft> #g (103325 / 30) seconds in minutes
22:15 <armabot> (103,325 / 30) * seconds = 57.4027778 minutes
22:15 <wrtlprnft> there's a few minutes i'm gonna delete at the beginning
22:16 <wrtlprnft> 6.8GB of PNGs
22:16 <ghableska> O_O
22:17 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: ... --videoout
22:17 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i know
22:18 <wrtlprnft> but i can't cut away the beginning like that
22:18 <Luke-Jr> why not?
22:18 <wrtlprnft> without reencoding the whole thing
22:18 <Luke-Jr> ...
22:18 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: Ready for some mingw bug fixing ?
22:18 <wrtlprnft> so i hacked arma to make a screenshot every frame
22:18 <Luke-Jr> use scene detection
22:18 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: nope!
22:18 <joda_bot> ../../src/tools/values/veMath.h:80: error: type/value mismatch at argument 2 in template parameter list for `template<class T, T (*F)()> class vValue::Expr::Bindings::CFunction::fZeroary'
22:18 <joda_bot> ../../src/tools/values/veMath.h:80: error:   expected a constant of type `T (*)()', got `void'
22:18 <joda_bot> ../../src/tools/values/veMath.h:80: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `Random' with no type
22:18 <joda_bot> Process terminated with status 1 (0 minutes, 14 seconds)
22:18 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: that's what --videoout does
22:18 <joda_bot> There you go ;)
22:18 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i KNOW
22:19 <wrtlprnft> but it makes a real screenshot and saves it to PNG
22:19 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: upgrade mingw?
22:19 <joda_bot> eh ?
22:19 <joda_bot> sure ?
22:19 <wrtlprnft> infact i hacked --videoout itself
22:19 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: so what's wrong with --videoout again? =p
22:19 <joda_bot> I'm not positive it's a bug in mingw ;)
22:19 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: works for everyone else
22:19 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: can't easily edit the result without loss of quality
22:19 <joda_bot> ISO C++ forbids declaration of `Random' with no type
22:20 <joda_bot> typedef Bindings::CFunction::fZeroary<long int, void> Random;
22:20 <joda_bot> That's the line that causes it
22:21 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: why not?
22:22 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: well, cutting should be no problem anyway...
22:22 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: it obviously has a type...
22:22 <wrtlprnft> first actual gameplay frame is 019391.png
22:23 <wrtlprnft> just for me to remember ;)
22:23 <Luke-Jr> erm, wait a sec
22:23 <Luke-Jr> that line doesn't look right
22:23 <wrtlprnft> hard enough to find
22:23 <Luke-Jr> typedef Bindings::CFunction::fZeroary<long int, random> Random;
22:23 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: don't know where you got your sources...
22:24 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: -vc copy
22:24 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: anyways, my way works and gives me some high- quality images
22:24 <wrtlprnft> though i have no effective way to distribute them
22:24 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: you can get HQ images by not compressing or using a lossless codec
22:25 <Luke-Jr> and a much easier time playing the video
22:25 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i am going to convert it to mpeg4
22:25 <wrtlprnft> just like i did with the last one
22:25 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: again, use -vc copy to cut already-compressed stuff
22:25 <wrtlprnft> for what advantage?
22:26 <Luke-Jr> no quality loss by the cut
22:26 <wrtlprnft> i'd rather have files that are <2GB
22:26 <wrtlprnft> for i'm having them on a seperate machine via NFS
22:26 <Luke-Jr> MPEG-4 files are usually < 2gb
22:26 <wrtlprnft> an uncompressed movie file is waaay bigger
22:26 <Luke-Jr> that's why you compress while you render...
22:27 <wrtlprnft> then i won't have my high- quality files
22:27 <wrtlprnft> #last --with .png
22:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [22:24:03] <wrtlprnft> first actual gameplay frame is 019391.png
22:27 <Luke-Jr> ...
22:28 <wrtlprnft> starting encoding the video now
22:29 <wrtlprnft> after i used a very inefficient way to remove excess frames
22:29 <wrtlprnft> rm 00* 01[0-8]? 019[0-2]* 0193[0-8*] 019390*
22:30  * wrtlprnft waits for luke to tell him how to do that waaay better
22:30 <wrtlprnft> getting 18fps
22:31 <Luke-Jr> 0{0*,1{{0..8}*,9{1*,2*,3{{1..8}*,9{0..1}}}}}
22:31 <Luke-Jr> =p
22:31 <wrtlprnft> #g ((103325-19391)/18) seconds in minutes
22:31 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: o well
22:31 <armabot> ((103,325 - 19,391) / 18) * seconds = 77.7166667 minutes
22:31 <wrtlprnft> so come back in 1 hour 17 minutes
22:32 <Luke-Jr> I'd liek to render w/o X =p
22:32 <Luke-Jr> so I can have hachi do it
22:32 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: did you remember to set res & quality to max?
22:32 <Luke-Jr> when you rendered
22:32 <wrtlprnft> -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq
22:33 <wrtlprnft> when getting the pngs i used 640×480 with my usual options
22:33 <wrtlprnft> make a better video if you like
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22:33 <Luke-Jr> boo =p
22:33  * Luke-Jr would do like 1280x1024 w/ max details
22:33 <wrtlprnft> uh
22:34 <wrtlprnft> i probably can't even store that much data
22:34 <spidey> man
22:34 <Luke-Jr> lol
22:34 <Luke-Jr> not uncompressed, no
22:34 <spidey> noone in this house better call me a slob again
22:34 <Luke-Jr> I use a pipe
22:34 <wrtlprnft> and scaling it down means quality loss
22:34 <ghableska> hi spidey :D
22:34 <Luke-Jr> I don't scale it down =p
22:34 <Luke-Jr> but what is really needed for rendering is
22:34 <spidey> i'm cleaning my brothers old room so i can move in there, i've spent 40minutes sweeping the wood floor, a big pile in the middle plus alot's left
22:34 <ghableska> wow
22:34 <Luke-Jr> playing server recordings on the client
22:34 <spidey> it would take me 10minutes to clean my whole room!!!
22:35 <Luke-Jr> and rendering smart cam on every cycle
22:35 <spidey> that doesn't include untangling wires and sorting them out though
22:35 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with youtube
22:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [20:23:50] <wrtlprnft> i uploaded the first 10 minutes to youtube, but it didn't convert it yet
22:35 <spidey> that'd take a hour or two
22:35 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with youtube --with http --nolimit
22:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [16:55:23] <wrtlprnft> and i just found a way to record arma with a total lack of framerate loss: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLn0Y_DA8bc and [16:52:51] <wrtlprnft> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb1Z9VU_Yco
22:35 <DrJoeTron> spidey, 
22:35 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb1Z9VU_Yco
22:35 <DrJoeTron> spidey :p
22:35 <wrtlprnft> that's how you record tron without X11
22:36 <Luke-Jr> or better yet, take recordings from all the players in combination with the server, and render server's-view (lagless etc) of all the player's views
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22:36 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: spare me the youtube nonsense? ;)
22:37  * ghableska is seeing strange characters
22:37 <spidey> DrJoeTron, you kicked me from teamspeak while i was gone :(
22:37 <spidey> now i can't conenct :s
22:37 <DrJoeTron> really?
22:37 <Luke-Jr> ツ
22:37 <DrJoeTron> you should be able to
22:38 <spidey> it said there wasn't a server running there
22:38 <Luke-Jr> spidey: should I write an open source clone of teamspeak?
22:38 <spidey> Luke-Jr, if it's compatible with teamspeak i'll use it
22:38 <DrJoeTron> maybe you're typing something wrog
22:38 <spidey> but i think there's source to teamspeak isn't there?
22:38 <spidey> DrJoeTron, cache bish!
22:38 <Luke-Jr> spidey: no
22:39 <DrJoeTron> well you werent banned
22:39 <DrJoeTron> so i dont know what to tell you
22:39 <Luke-Jr> I do
22:39 <Luke-Jr> spidey: you're being DDoS again
22:39 <Luke-Jr> =p
22:39 <spidey> ....
22:39 <wrtlprnft> what's your IP spidey? I wanna help them!
22:39 <Luke-Jr> lol
22:39 <wrtlprnft> ah, your server?
22:39 <DrJoeTron> im having troubles with the master servers :/
22:40 <wrtlprnft> oh, i am already
22:40 <wrtlprnft> i'm polling his server every minute
22:40 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: hopefully not with master 3
22:40 <Luke-Jr> use ping -f
22:40 <DrJoeTron> im not sure
22:40 <spidey> http://forum.goteamspeak.com/archive/index.php/t-372.html
22:40 <spidey> they make a good point of why not to make it open source
22:40 <DrJoeTron> i think its just with 1
22:40 <Luke-Jr> no they don't
22:41 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr:  The was from trunk I'll check if it differes
22:41 <Luke-Jr> because there is no good point in existence
22:41 <Luke-Jr> that was one of the threads that made me want to write it just to spite them
22:41 <spidey> but to answer your question.. we aren't going open source because simply put we do not want the coörperations like GameVoice/Microsoft and RogerWilco/GameSpy to steal our code.
22:41 <spidey> It is almost impossible to detect it if they rip off code, and its almost impossible to fight it in court due to the legal cost involved..
22:41 <spidey> good enough for me
22:41 <Luke-Jr> it's called GPL
22:41 <Luke-Jr> they can't steal it if you use GPL
22:41 <spidey> they can't?
22:41 <spidey> how would you know?
22:42 <spidey> if they compile it and don't release the source, you wouldn't know
22:42 <Luke-Jr> and what's it matter if the TeamSpeak developers themselves ARE BEING JUST AS BAD?
22:42 <Luke-Jr> you would
22:42 <wrtlprnft> spidey: there were cases where it did come out
22:42 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Some old Family Guy excerp ... http://www.armagetron.nixda.net/FGTron.avi
22:42 <wrtlprnft> you can compare the binaries, and you can search for eastereggs
22:42 <DrJoeTron> im having problems with master 4
22:42 <Luke-Jr> CherryOS? Linksys?
22:43 <wrtlprnft> good.
22:43 <spidey> cherryos?
22:43 <joda_bot> just remembered it, while you've been talking about movies ;)
22:43 <wrtlprnft> then complain to its admin
22:43 <spidey> i was gonna use that along time ago
22:43 <spidey> what is it? :s
22:43 <DrJoeTron> dont know who it is
22:43 <Luke-Jr> spidey: illegal ripoff of PearPC
22:43 <spidey> any good?
22:43 <Luke-Jr> no better than PearPC
22:43 <spidey> wtf's pearpc
22:43 <Luke-Jr> PowerPC emulator
22:44 <spidey> oh
22:44 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft who is the admin for server 4
22:44 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: spidey is
22:44 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: uh, dunno, second
22:44 <spidey> ??
22:44 <Luke-Jr> DDoS him for revenge
22:44 <wrtlprnft> ah, Luke-Jr's right
22:44 <spidey> ....
22:45 <spidey> wtf you on about
22:45 <DrJoeTron> haha
22:45 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: it resolves to something in mxii.com
22:45 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: that would be iF
22:45 <joda_bot> Then it's iF ;)
22:45 <DrJoeTron> ah
22:45 <Luke-Jr> who the heck is iF?
22:46 <spidey> who the heck is Luke-Jr 
22:46 <DrJoeTron> armabell guy
22:46 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: finish downloading :-P
22:46 <Lackadaisical> 1 hour and 36 minutes to go
22:46 <spidey> armabell stopped working for me
22:46 <DrJoeTron> i never used it
22:46 <spidey> said i needed to update, but there's no update last i checked
22:47 <Luke-Jr> use armaspy
22:47 <spidey> linux?
22:47 <Luke-Jr> that's the update
22:47 <Luke-Jr> wrtl wrote it
22:47 <spidey> is there a windows oprt?
22:47 <spidey> port*
22:47 <Luke-Jr> nope!
22:47 <spidey> then no :)
22:47 <spidey> not till i get my server back
22:47 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: but my mplayer classic won't play it
22:47 <spidey> which i'm not sure when that's gonna be :/
22:48 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Where do I get a windows codec for FM4p or whatever it is ?
22:48 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: you mean MPC or Media Player Classic =p
22:48 <Luke-Jr> mplayer = mplayer =p
22:48 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: yea
22:48 <DrJoeTron> there a way to connect to a different master server?
22:48 <joda_bot> :-)
22:48 <joda_bot> edit the mastersrv.list
22:48 <joda_bot> there should be some file for that
22:49 <wrtlprnft> uh
22:49 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: http://google.com/search?btnI=I&q=ffmpeg+windows+codec
22:49 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: it's master.srv
22:49 <DrJoeTron> yeah i see it
22:49  * wrtlprnft edited it
22:49 <wrtlprnft> so it only connects to master3 now
22:50 <wrtlprnft> that way i immediately see if something's messed up
22:50 <Luke-Jr> like I said some months ago, feel free to setup a master server on hachi =p
22:50 <wrtlprnft> uh, we don't have a master5?
22:51 <wrtlprnft> always thought we did
22:52 <wrtlprnft> apparently one belongs to z-man (armagetron.kicks-ass.net, master 1), one to Lucifer_arma (wiki.davefancella.com, master2), to me (wrtlprnft.ath.cx, master3), and to iF (armagetron.de, master4)
22:52 <wrtlprnft> maybe we should put a list on the wiki
22:53 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
22:53 <spidey> [15:54:24] Connecting to
22:53 <spidey> [15:54:27] No reply from server
22:53 <spidey> Maybe the server is offline
22:53 <spidey> or maybe teamspeak is not running on it
22:53 <spidey> nvm, connected that time
22:54 <DrJoeTron> ok
22:54 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: ok, you're right I modified that line to try to fix it ... here is the CVS trunk error, I've got no information where "random" should be defined as type ?
22:54 <DrJoeTron> yeah server doesnt show up on 3 either
22:54 <joda_bot> ../../src/tools/values/veMath.h:80: error: `random' was not declared in this scope
22:54 <joda_bot> ../../src/tools/values/veMath.h:80: error: template argument 2 is invalid
22:54 <joda_bot> ../../src/tools/values/veMath.h:80: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `Random' with no type
22:54 <joda_bot> Process terminated with status 1 (0 minutes, 10 seconds)
22:54 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: what IP?
22:54 <joda_bot> Line reads: typedef Bindings::CFunction::fZeroary<long int, random> Random;
22:55 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft
22:55 <DrJoeTron> it says it connected
22:55  * wrtlprnft greps his log
22:55 <wrtlprnft> [2006/09/04 22:52:13] [2] Updated server:
22:56 <wrtlprnft> oh, freak
22:56 <wrtlprnft> darn 3dot
22:56 <wrtlprnft> he broke my XML
22:56 <DrJoeTron> yeah
22:56 <DrJoeTron> but it doesnt show up for me
22:56 <wrtlprnft> second
22:58 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: any ideas, what's going wrong ?
23:02 <[dlh]> try &random, maybe?
23:04 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: well, you're on the master, definitely
23:04 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverxml.php?stripcolors
23:05 <wrtlprnft> after i just fixed the trouble some jerk with a control char in his nick was causing
23:05 <DrJoeTron> i guess its a personal problem then
23:05 <DrJoeTron> thanks
23:06 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: what codec would I need for that AW-B vs WPN movie?
23:06 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: just connected, works fine
23:06 <joda_bot> http://www.free-codecs.com/download/FFDShow.htm
23:06 <joda_bot> Vanhayes: this one
23:07 <wrtlprnft> windows computers can't play mpeg4 movies by default?!
23:07 <joda_bot> just checked FFDShow development is a bit splittered and confusing...
23:07 <joda_bot> the offic
23:07 <joda_bot> official project at sourceforge is not maintained anymore
23:07 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: It's not MP4
23:07 <joda_bot> it's FMP4
23:08 <wrtlprnft> x_X
23:08 <ghableska> O_o
23:08 <joda_bot> which a customized version from linux players
23:08 <joda_bot> (I guess)
23:08 <DrJoeTron> great
23:08 <DrJoeTron> thank yo ;
23:09 <joda_bot> I can use my Mac or Nero to recode it to mpeg
23:09 <joda_bot> something...
23:09 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: just tell me the flags i need to pass to mengoder?
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> cinelerra
23:09 <joda_bot> perhaps you can even change the FourCC code to another value and like xvid and make it playable
23:09 <joda_bot> hey Lucifer_arma ;9
23:09 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: need mencoder options :P
23:09 <Lucifer_arma> hi joda_bot 
23:10 <wrtlprnft> then i can encode the video again
23:10 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: I've still got not clue about the "random" ISO C++ forbids problem
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> I finally started getting my head wrapped around cinelerra
23:10 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: let me check
23:10 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: I told you
23:11 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: you don't have any code I've ever seen
23:11 <Vanhayes> nice, it works good, thx joda_bot 
23:11 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: certainly not anything in Svn
23:11 <Luke-Jr> that probably wasn't the only line
23:11 <Luke-Jr> re-checkout
23:11 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: i could as well give you a 9GB tarball of PNGs, then you can encode it in any way you want
23:11 <[dlh]> Yes, he fabricated it himself to trick you.
23:12 <joda_bot> I believe the latest VLC Media Player should support FMP4 FourCC. Else change the FourCC of the file using a FourCC changer into XviD or DX50 and then retry with VLC. FMP4 is MPEG-4 compatible, so I don't see any reason why it shouldn't play.
23:12 <wrtlprnft> well, so it is mpeg4
23:12 <wrtlprnft> or at least compatible
23:12 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: ... ok wait ;)
23:12 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: random is defined in stdlib.h
23:13 <joda_bot> it's from tools\values\veMath.h
23:13 <[dlh]> &random didn't work?
23:13 <Luke-Jr> [dlh]: no
23:13 <Luke-Jr> it shouldn't have &
23:13 <joda_bot> well the "type" random is unknown or forbidden
23:13 <Luke-Jr> random isn't a type, it's a function
23:13 <[dlh]> It should if it is a function pointer
23:13 <Luke-Jr> it's a function, not a function pointer
23:14 <joda_bot> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/veMath.h?revision=6061&view=markup
23:14 <joda_bot> Read line 76
23:15 <joda_bot> Well, then ISO C++ forbids this 
23:15 <joda_bot> ../../src/tools/values/veMath.h:80: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of `Random' with no type
23:15 <Luke-Jr>    76 typedef Bindings::CFunction::fZeroary<long int, random> Random;
23:15 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: the lines are moved
23:15 <wrtlprnft> second
23:15 <joda_bot> because I've added three comments above
23:15 <wrtlprnft> you CAN'T habe random in ther!
23:16 <wrtlprnft> *in there
23:16 <wrtlprnft> i think
23:16 <joda_bot> hehe
23:16 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: why not?
23:16 <wrtlprnft> because it's a function
23:16  * joda_bot lets the others fight this out ;)
23:16 <Luke-Jr> so?
23:16 <wrtlprnft> it needs to be a type for a template
23:16 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: that error is irrelevant
23:16 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: news to me
23:16 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr:  it won't compile
23:16 <joda_bot> tell me how to fix this on windows 
23:16 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: it does for everyone else...
23:16 -!- [Xpert]DarkStar is now known as DarkStar|Faraway
23:16 <DarkStar|Faraway> bye all
23:17 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: only the first error is relevant in your case
23:17 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: everyone else is using windows
23:17 <DarkStar|Faraway> i'll be back on sunday evening
23:17 <[dlh]> bye renamed person
23:17 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: EVERYONE else is not me 
23:17 <wrtlprnft> DarkStar|Faraway: cya
23:17 <joda_bot> and I'm on windows ..
23:17 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: not developers
23:17 <Luke-Jr> the majority of people compiling don't use Windows
23:17 <joda_bot> ok, I'm done for today
23:17 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: though the easy solution would be to move to linux or mac jk
23:17 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: like I said, the first error is the problem, not that one
23:17 <Luke-Jr> that is caused by the first one
23:18 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: ok, how would I declare random ?
23:18 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: try just uncommenting the line?
23:19 <Luke-Jr> #include <stdlib.h>
23:19 <wrtlprnft> if it complains a few lines further down you'll see
23:19 <wrtlprnft> typedef Bindings::CFunction::fUnary<float, float, sinf> Sin;
23:19 <joda_bot> Can someone give me the linux line where random / linux are defined ?
23:19 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I tried commenting it
23:19 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: your problem is with fUnary and such
23:19 <Luke-Jr> not random
23:19 <joda_bot> I got a VERY long template error later on
23:20 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: 'random' is defined in stdlib.h
23:20 <Luke-Jr>        #include <stdlib.h>
23:20 <Luke-Jr>        long int random(void);
23:20 <Luke-Jr> that's from the manpage
23:20 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: extern long int random (void) __THROW;
23:20 <[dlh]> it is long random(void); on mac os x.
23:21 <wrtlprnft> that's in stdlib.h:440
23:21 <[dlh]> oh wait...
23:21 <Luke-Jr> [dlh]: hmm!
23:22 <Luke-Jr> if that was the first error message, I'd suspect that
23:24 <joda_bot> random is not defined in stdlib.h for mingw
23:24 <joda_bot> :-(
23:25 <wrtlprnft> well, there has to be some other way to get random numbers
23:25 <joda_bot> I'm looking for it's definition 
23:26 <joda_bot> it's probably part of windows headers
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23:27 <wrtlprnft> #g 16*((2**31)-1)
23:28 <armabot> 16 * ((2 ** 31) - 1) = 34,359,738,352
23:29 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: would rand or srand be ok too ?
23:29 <joda_bo1> because : http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=1505131
23:29 <joda_bo1> mingw does not have random for whatever reasons 
23:29 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: no idea wtf those are
23:30 <Luke-Jr> libiberty is pretty standard, no?
23:30 <joda_bo1> what is the exspected output of random (range?)
23:30 <Luke-Jr> shrug, we haven't defined it yet
23:31 <Luke-Jr> it's just an example right now =p
23:31 <[dlh]>  0 to (2**31) - 1
23:31 <wrtlprnft> or MAX_RAND
23:31 <joda_bo1> thx [dlh]
23:32 <wrtlprnft> random should be implemented as a function from the parser side anyways
23:32 <Luke-Jr> "The function rand() is not reentrant or thread-safe"
23:32 <wrtlprnft> random(min, max)
23:33 <wrtlprnft> #g random(1,2)
23:33 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:33 <Luke-Jr> probably a good idea
23:33 <wrtlprnft> random isn't that easy anyways
23:33 <wrtlprnft> if we implement it we need a way to syncronize between client and server
23:33 <Luke-Jr> or random * 2 + 1
23:34 <Luke-Jr> yes
23:34 <wrtlprnft> 130000 frames to go
23:34 <Luke-Jr> so really, that random implementation is useless =p
23:34 <wrtlprnft> indeed (means i agree)
23:35 <ghableska> :P
23:35 <wrtlprnft> actually
23:35 <wrtlprnft> 13000 frames to go
23:35 <wrtlprnft> it's going fast!
23:35 <ghableska> :D
23:35  * ghableska is counting down :P
23:36 <ghableska> wrtlprnft: what match?
23:36 <wrtlprnft> 12000
23:36 <Luke-Jr> 11000
23:36 <Luke-Jr> 10000
23:36 <Luke-Jr> 9000
23:36 <Luke-Jr> 8000
23:36 <ghableska> 0!
23:36 <Luke-Jr> 7000
23:36 <wrtlprnft> -1
23:36 <ghableska> :P
23:36 <Luke-Jr> -102
23:36 <ghableska> uh oh
23:36 <Luke-Jr> crap, wrtl you encoded too many frames
23:36 <spidey> -infinity+infinity squared
23:36 <spidey> beotch
23:36 <ghableska> XD
23:37 <wrtlprnft> -42 + 23i frames
23:37 <ghableska> O_o
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23:38 <wrtlprnft> which reminds me, i need to find a spot to bind a +- symbol to
23:39 <ghableska> 8
23:39 <wrtlprnft> just where
23:39 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:40 <wrtlprnft> √2
23:40 <wrtlprnft> √3
23:40 <wrtlprnft> ∛3
23:40 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: is that UTF-8 ?
23:40 <wrtlprnft> oh, i already have one
23:40 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: yeah
23:40 <wrtlprnft> 1±2
23:40 <wrtlprnft> yay
23:40 <wrtlprnft> in a weird spot, but oh well
23:41 <joda_bo1> hm, ok the random problem will remain unsolved for a bit longer
23:41 <joda_bo1> rand isn't accepted
23:41 <wrtlprnft> :(
23:41 <joda_bo1> it returns int
23:41 <ghableska> brb
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23:41 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: write a wrapper?
23:41 <joda_bo1> and after adding type conversion I get this:
23:41 <joda_bo1>  `int rand()' cannot appear in a constant-expression
23:41 <joda_bo1> hm, ok I can try that
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23:42 <wrtlprnft> ah, you can't use int rand()
23:43 <wrtlprnft> just change the template to int
23:43 <joda_bo1> eh
23:43 <joda_bo1> Just found a Random function in gAIBase ?
23:43 <joda_bo1> returns a REAL
23:43 <wrtlprnft> haha
23:43 <wrtlprnft> use that
23:44 <joda_bo1>  // an instance of this class will prevent deterministic random lookups
23:44 <joda_bo1> class gRandomController
23:46 <[dlh]> #g 1.0/0
23:46 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:46 <[dlh]> :(
23:47 <wrtlprnft> #g sqrt(-2)
23:47 <armabot> sqrt(-2) = 1.41421356 i
23:49 <wrtlprnft> render finished
23:49 <wrtlprnft> now i need to upload it :s
23:50 <Luke-Jr> um
23:50 <Luke-Jr> what is infinity-infinity?
23:50 <wrtlprnft> bs
23:51 <[dlh]> Just Infinity.
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23:51 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: erm, the syntax of fZeroary is <return-type, func>
23:53 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: thx
23:53 <joda_bo1> long int random()
23:53 <joda_bo1> {
23:53 <joda_bo1>     return (long int)tRandomizer::GetInstance()::Get(RAND_MAX);
23:53 <joda_bo1> }
23:53 <joda_bo1> ../../src/tools/values/veMath.h:39: error: `class tRandomizer' used where a `long int' was expected
23:54 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: just turn Random into a real class...
23:54 <joda_bo1> second :: were wrong .... ?
23:54 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: yeah
23:54 <wrtlprnft> you need a . or -> there
23:54 <wrtlprnft> depending on if GetInstance returns a reference or pointer
23:55 <[dlh]> it returns a reference.
23:55 <wrtlprnft> then . ;)
23:55 <joda_bo1> yeah it ... did not compile *hehe
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23:55  * joda_bo1 has some clue to who dlh might be ? 
23:55  * Luke-Jr didn't write the C binding stuff just so people can implement functions in C ;p
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23:55 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: ;)
23:56 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: You suggest ?
23:56 <joda_bo1> ok, the error I get when uncommenting that line is back
23:57 <joda_bo1> and it's a nasty one 
23:57 <joda_bo1> deeeeeeep in variant.hpp of boost
23:57 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: I suggest implementing an actual vValue class =p
23:57 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: instantiated from where?
23:58 <joda_bo1> ../../../winlibs/boost/includes/boost/variant/variant.hpp: In member function `void boost::variant<T0, T1, T2, T3, T4, T5, T6, T7, T8, T9, T10, T11, T12, T13, T14, T15, T16, T17, T18, T19>::convert_construct(T&, int, mpl_::false_) [with T = const double, T0_ = int, T1 = float, T2 = std::string, T3 = boost::detail::variant::void_, T4 = boost::detail::variant::void_, T5 = boost::detail::variant::void_, T6 = boost::detail::vari
23:58  * Luke-Jr ... blames it on ... Windows
23:58 <wrtlprnft> T0, T1, T2... that's what i call extensible programming
23:58 <joda_bo1> Compiling: ..\..\src\tools\values\veComparison.cpp
23:59 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: do you get a line number in veComparison.cpp?
23:59 <joda_bo1> ..\..\src\tools\values\veComparison.cpp:61:   instantiated from here
23:59 <wrtlprnft> that's something you can work with :)
23:59 <joda_bo1> it's in the middle of the error message so I did miss it

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00:00 <wrtlprnft> because usually the error isn't in the library
00:00 <joda_bo1> usually ;)
00:00 <joda_bo1> NAN does look pretty innocent to me ;)
00:00 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: what happens if you change that to return 0;, for example?
00:00 <wrtlprnft> is it just the NAN?
00:01 <joda_bo1> works for now
00:01 <wrtlprnft> hmm
00:02 <wrtlprnft> do we *need* NAN?
00:02 <wrtlprnft> IIRC that was just Luke-Jr's response to jonathan nitpicking
00:02 <joda_bo1> Isn't there a better way to get "NAN" than 0/0 ?
00:02 <wrtlprnft> uh, NAN's supposed to be defined in <math.h>…
00:03 <joda_bo1> right it is
00:03 <joda_bo1> must have recalled some other spot where it was 0/0
00:03 <wrtlprnft>        INFINITY
00:03 <wrtlprnft>        NAN
00:03 <wrtlprnft>        HUGE_VAL
00:03 <wrtlprnft>        HUGE_VALF
00:03 <wrtlprnft>        HUGE_VALL
00:03 <wrtlprnft> those should all be in there
00:03 <joda_bo1> #define NAN		__builtin_nan("")
00:04 <joda_bo1> yeah
00:04 <joda_bo1> What happens in that spot anyway ?
00:05 <joda_bo1> NAN casted to Variant ?
00:05 <wrtlprnft> where?
00:05 <wrtlprnft> in veComparison.cpp:61?
00:05 <joda_bo1> the error I got
00:05 <wrtlprnft> well
00:05 <joda_bo1> yeah
00:05 <wrtlprnft> probably boost::variant has problems with NAN values
00:05 <wrtlprnft> can't store them
00:06 <wrtlprnft> maybe NAN is internally handled as some type that's neither float nor int
00:06 <wrtlprnft> and that screws up something boost::variant does
00:06 <wrtlprnft> try putting that somewhere:
00:06 <wrtlprnft> Variant asdf;
00:06 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: is it ok to remove gWinzone.* ?
00:06 <wrtlprnft> asdf = NAN;
00:06 <wrtlprnft> see if that compiles
00:07 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: i think ph still wants
00:07 <wrtlprnft> it
00:07 <wrtlprnft> for reference
00:07 <joda_bo1> ah ok, but it does not compile anymore
00:07 <joda_bo1> and he can use svn or keep a local copy ;)
00:07 <wrtlprnft> uh, isn't it all commented out?
00:07 <joda_bo1> it's just too confusing if I have to hand pick some files
00:07 <joda_bo1> but I've got to do that anyway ;)
00:08 <joda_bo1> there are more files which prevent compilation
00:08 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: just remove them from the project
00:08 <wrtlprnft> gWinZone.*, that is
00:08 <wrtlprnft> then they won't cause anymore trouble
00:09 <wrtlprnft> but keep them in SVN and ph happy
00:09 <joda_bo1> Somehow I need tValue.p
00:09 <joda_bo1> tValue.o
00:09 <wrtlprnft> o_p
00:10 <joda_bo1> ah, it doesn't exist anymore
00:10 <joda_bo1> but codeblocks doesn't show missing files anymore
00:11 <joda_bo1> tsk
00:11 <joda_bo1> linking
00:12 <joda_bo1> n/cockpit/cCockpit.cpp: multiple definition of `random()'
00:13 <joda_bo1> looks like I should guard undef the function before defining it
00:13 <joda_bo1> -guard
00:13 <wrtlprnft> o_O
00:13 <wrtlprnft> how's the cockpit even using random?
00:14 <joda_bo1> Linking executable: ..\..\build\debug\ArmagetronAd.exe
00:14 <joda_bo1> ..\..\build\tmp\Armagetron___Win32_Debug\src\tron\cockpit\cCockpit.o(.text+0x0): In function `ZN12nSettingItemI7tStringED1Ev':
00:14 <joda_bo1> C:/Dokumente und Einstellungen/joda/Eigene Dateien/project/armagetronad/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/../../src/tron/cockpit/cCockpit.cpp: multiple definition of `random()'
00:14 <joda_bo1> ..\..\build\tmp\Armagetron___Win32_Debug\src\tools\values\veMath.o(.text+0x0):C:/Dokumente und Einstellungen/joda/Eigene Dateien/project/armagetronad/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/../../src/tools/values//vCore.h: first defined here
00:14 <joda_bo1> happens when linking
00:15 <wrtlprnft> err
00:15 <wrtlprnft> are you defining a function in some header file?
00:16 <wrtlprnft> you need to move the function body to a .cpp file that includes the header with its definition
00:16 <joda_bo1> oh ... but then I've got a problem with the template ?
00:17 <wrtlprnft> ?
00:17 <joda_bo1> because it won't allow undefined sizes for content ?
00:17 <joda_bo1> if I just use a forward declaration
00:17 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/
00:17 <wrtlprnft> mind pasting the header file with that function in there?
00:18 <joda_bo1> done
00:18 <joda_bo1> random is used for the template
00:19 <wrtlprnft> ty
00:19 <spidey> yay for moving
00:19  * spidey rolls eyes
00:19 <spidey> bbl
00:19 <wrtlprnft> well
00:20 <wrtlprnft> what's the exact problem with moving the function body to the .cpp?
00:20 <joda_bo1> won't c++ get in trouble with determining the size of the template
00:21 <wrtlprnft> don't think so
00:21 <wrtlprnft> it's just a function call after all
00:21 <joda_bo1> ok done
00:21 <wrtlprnft> function pointers have a constant size
00:21 <wrtlprnft> of course, the compiler can't inline it
00:21 <joda_bo1> I thought all types have to fully specified but it sounds logical now ;)
00:21 <wrtlprnft> but it couldn't inline it with the original random function, either
00:23 <wrtlprnft> does it compile now?
00:24 <joda_bo1> he seems to
00:24 <joda_bo1> missed some other files
00:24 <joda_bo1> eLagComp..
00:25 <wrtlprnft> umm, i dunno about the windows build system, but you can now make tValue.* part of libtools now
00:26 <wrtlprnft> i fixed it after you left the unix makefiles in some very weird state
00:30 <joda_bo1> ?!?!
00:30 <wrtlprnft> well
00:31 <wrtlprnft> you referenced a src/tron/tValue.cpp
00:31 <joda_bo1> Yeah, I moved tFucntion because it irked me, with it being in the other folder
00:31 <wrtlprnft> it really was in src/tools
00:31 <joda_bo1> I just removed tValue from the project, and it works
00:31 <joda_bo1> just got some nasty boost include troubles (at linking stage)
00:31 <wrtlprnft> x_X
00:32 <joda_bo1> boost includes some additional libraries as it seems
00:32 <joda_bo1> jsut have to find out where for example  RVar::~RVar()' is contained
00:32 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: wait, tValue.cpp is still in tools ?
00:33 <wrtlprnft> no
00:33 <joda_bo1> ah good
00:33 <wrtlprnft> i mean tFunction
00:33 <wrtlprnft> that was messed up
00:33 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: sorry, about moving tFunction
00:33 <wrtlprnft> np
00:33 <wrtlprnft> it used some nNetwork stuff, i “fixed” it
00:33 <wrtlprnft> ie made it a template
00:34 <joda_bo1> well you could also rename it to nFunction ;)
00:34 <joda_bo1> but I thought of that too late ;)
00:35 <wrtlprnft> well, i didn't feel like doing that
00:35 <wrtlprnft> and it might me needed on tools/ level
00:35 <wrtlprnft> as tValue and tFunction should eventually be convertable into each other
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00:39 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: Luke-Jr: the linker does not find RVar or RFunction destructors - I might have missed a file , which would that be ?
00:40 <wrtlprnft> src/thirdparty/mathexpr/mathexpr.cpp:82?
00:42 <joda_bo1> the _c or c++ version ?
00:42 <wrtlprnft> uh
00:42 <joda_bo1> which would be more desireable ?
00:42 <wrtlprnft> _c is complex numbers
00:42 <joda_bo1> oh ah
00:42 <wrtlprnft> so you want the mathexpr.cpp one :)
00:42 <joda_bo1> so both ?
00:42 <wrtlprnft> no
00:42 <wrtlprnft> _c is unused right now
00:42 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't even work as it is right now
00:43 <joda_bo1> I won't need the binreloc files ?
00:43 <wrtlprnft> i converted the non–_c one to use float instead of double
00:43  * wrtlprnft doesn't know what binreloc files are
00:44 <Vanhayes> #night
00:44 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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00:44 <joda_bo1> So, what do I have to do to make the windows fix linux compatible ?
00:45 <wrtlprnft> what fix exacly now?
00:45 <joda_bo1> I should guard with WIN32 atleast, probably even more specific mingw
00:45 <wrtlprnft> btw i recommend you don't call that funcion random()
00:45 <joda_bo1> the random function
00:45 <wrtlprnft> call it Random or myrandom
00:45 <wrtlprnft> then use it under that name
00:45 <joda_bo1> ok, so then just use it for all
00:45 <joda_bo1> ok
00:46 <wrtlprnft> yay 200MB of 268.6MB complete!
00:46 <ghableska> :D
00:49 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: did you change the fourcc ?
00:50 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: no :(
00:50 <wrtlprnft> it was already halfway encoded
00:50 <wrtlprnft> i might make new movies tomorrow
00:51 <joda_bo1> can you access the server via ssh / sftp ?
00:51 <joda_bo1> or just plain ftp ?
00:51 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: which server?
00:51 <wrtlprnft> the archive.orh one?
00:51 <joda_bo1> where you upload to ?
00:51 <wrtlprnft> just ftp
00:52 <joda_bo1> hm, then fixing the file remotly could be tricky
00:52 <wrtlprnft> not even sftp
00:52 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: i can't anyways without losing quality
00:52 <wrtlprnft> i'll just reencode it
00:53 <joda_bo1> eh, the fmp4 is fully compatible with xvid or other mpeg4 fourcc s
00:53 <wrtlprnft> that means?
00:53 <joda_bo1> the problem is just that the avi container has a "bad" indicator for mpeg4
00:53  * wrtlprnft has no clue about video encoding
00:53 <joda_bo1> ok, fourcc codes are inside an avi and there 4 bytes determine which decoder should be used
00:54  * wrtlprnft is happy he found a combination of options that produced movies of acceptable size and quality
00:54 <joda_bo1> either everybody watching it can add fmp4 fourcc and map it to xvid that would work
00:54 <joda_bo1> or you can the four bytes inside the file to xvid (somewhere near the start the file)
00:55 <joda_bo1> and it works on windows with xvid or divx (depends on the fourcc) too
00:55 <joda_bo1> :-)
00:55 <wrtlprnft> well, i need conctrete command line options
00:56 <joda_bo1> oh new music ;)
00:56 <wrtlprnft> mencoder "mf://*.png" -mf fps=30 -o test.avi -of avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq
00:56 <wrtlprnft> that's what i used
00:59 <joda_bo1> -ffourcc xvid (for xvid codec) or -ffourcc divx
00:59 <wrtlprnft> ok
00:59 <wrtlprnft> i'll do that tomorrow
00:59 <joda_bo1> I'll just test it works without any additional stuff ...
00:59 <wrtlprnft> for now the upload finished
01:00 <joda_bo1> lol, the retreating tails on the map look funny
01:01 <joda_bo1> ;)
01:01 <joda_bo1> btw . thx for all the babysitting compiling works now ;
01:01 <wrtlprnft> yw
01:02 <joda_bo1> or worked until it deadlocked now ;)
01:03 <joda_bo1> stupid code blocks gui does let me access gdb commandline to suspend the application and have a look at the spot
01:03 <joda_bo1> somewhere on round start on the speeders server
01:04 <joda_bo1> wops ... (should perhaps update the distribution files ;))
01:08 <joda_bo1> hm, constantly crashes on round start in network game ( server)
01:08 <wrtlprnft> no clue
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01:11 <wrtlprnft> wow, finally youtube accepted my video
01:12 <wrtlprnft> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15EQdC9UB8M
01:14 <mkzelda> I have a computer running winxp that I'm trying to fix. All scans for trojans/spyware/adware/viruses etc all come up negative... no processes needing killing, only 1% cpu usage, yet it acts like its running at 100%
01:14 <mkzelda> cant find any reason why its going so slow
01:14 <mkzelda> any ideas?
01:14 <mkzelda> its not swapping to hd
01:14 <mkzelda> i mean, when its going slow, its not b/c ram is full and its swapping
01:14 <wrtlprnft> no clue
01:15 <mkzelda> b/c its not getting to that point
01:15 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:15 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:15 <mkzelda> its hard to run scans b/c they take so long
01:15 <mkzelda> b/c its running at like 1/10th the speed it used to
01:17 <joda_bo1> b/c = ?
01:17 <joda_bo1> Download a boot cd with a virus scanner ?
01:17 <joda_bo1> other options would be
01:18 <joda_bo1> www.sysinternals.com rootkit revealer
01:18 <joda_bo1> http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/RootkitRevealer.html
01:18 <joda_bo1> mkzelda: You did check for all auto run applications ?
01:19 <joda_bo1> you can also use http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.html which shows the locations of all the processes currently running, you can then inspect them ... but I guess you tried most of that
01:24 <mkzelda> joda_bo1, b/c = because
01:24 <mkzelda> and thanks but ya, i tried all that :/
01:24 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6150 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 2 dirs): compile time fixes
01:25 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: 0/0 throws an error, I thought
01:25 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: NAN is a float, which is a valid Variant type
01:26 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Variant holds types, not values =p
01:26 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6151 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/ (11 files): piece 1 - more boost headers
01:27 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6152 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/utility/ (13 files in 2 dirs): piece 2 - more boost headers
01:27 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: just remove Random if you don't want to fix it properly
01:28 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6153 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/type_traits/ (98 files in 2 dirs): piece 3 - more boost headers
01:29 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: RVar/RFunction will be obsolete eventually, in theory-- that's ph
01:29 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: RVar/RFunction will be obsolete eventually, in theory-- that's ph's MathExpr stuff
01:30 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6154 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/preprocessor/: piece 4 - more boost headers
01:31 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: I tried my fix of it, you're free to find a better fitting solution
01:31 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6155 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/preprocessor/ (128 files in 22 dirs): piece 4 - more boost headers
01:32 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: yeah, 0/0 gives an error must have had a bad dream about it and still remember it as real :P
01:32 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: like I said, Random is currently 100% unused
01:32 <Luke-Jr> it was an example
01:33 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: thx, for the help - good to know :) the real issue was the NAN stuff
01:33 <joda_bo1> I still don't understand what goes wrong there
01:33 <Luke-Jr> what is your NAN defined as?
01:34 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6156 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/preprocessor/ (136 files in 14 dirs): piece 5 - more boost headers
01:35 <joda_bo1> Luke: #define NAN		__builtin_nan("")
01:35 <joda_bo1> but I guess you want the exact value ?
01:35 <joda_bo1> right ?
01:36 <Luke-Jr> maybe
01:36 <Luke-Jr> # define NAN    (__builtin_nanf(""))
01:36 <Luke-Jr> did you try (float)NAN?
01:37 <joda_bo1> no
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01:38 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: works O.o
01:38 <Luke-Jr> heh
01:38 <Luke-Jr> maybe
01:38 <Luke-Jr> might behave differently than expected tho, dunno
01:39 <joda_bo1> I'll try without (float) again
01:39 <joda_bo1> no, that does not work
01:39 <joda_bo1> should I use REAL ?
01:39 <Luke-Jr> chances are that code path will never be used outside of testing
01:40 <joda_bo1> How can NAN not have a specific type ... strange ?
01:41 <joda_bo1> the compiler tries to generate the "right" type of float - double ?
01:41 <Luke-Jr> ph
01:41 <Luke-Jr> oh*
01:42 <Luke-Jr> so casting it should work then
01:42 <joda_bo1> Yes it does
01:42 <joda_bo1> I used REAL now, will commit that in a second
01:43 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6157 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/mpl/aux_/ (508 files in 14 dirs): piece 6 - more boost headers
01:49 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6158 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/mpl/ (308 files in 25 dirs): piece 7 - more boost headers
01:49 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6159 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/veComparison.cpp: fix suggested by Luke-Jr
01:52 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6160 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/mpl/ (182 files): piece 8 - more boost headers
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01:58 <Your_mom_arma> first time anyone ever tried to frame me in arma
01:58 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6161 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/ (57 files in 3 dirs): piece 9 - last boost headers
01:58 <joda_bo1> ?
01:58 -!- joda_bo1 is now known as joda_bot
01:59 <Your_mom_arma> a player kept crashing into me at start and tried to convince everyone i was tk'ing him
02:00 <joda_bot> oh, interesting ... why do ppl seems to enjoy making a mess out of the game ;)
02:01 <joda_bot> Your_mom_arma: have you been on ctf then ? (capture the flag)
02:01  * Your_mom_arma made the map file and custom dtd for that server
02:01 <Your_mom_arma> so yes
02:02 <Your_mom_arma> :-D
02:02 <joda_bot> hehe, cool ;)
02:02 <joda_bot> I really like it
02:02 <joda_bot> If they'd ask me , we should give sty 
02:03 <joda_bot> ah, damn pig dev access, atleast so much that he can add his patches into a branch
02:03 <Your_mom_arma> i agree
02:06  * DrJoeTron updated to 2.8.2
02:06 <joda_bot> Your_mom_arma: What would you say is more common ? XVID or DIVX ?
02:06 <DrJoeTron> divx
02:07 <Your_mom_arma> dvix
02:07 <Your_mom_arma> why not 3.0?
02:07 <joda_bot> ok, if anyone has problems playing wrtls videos just change the fourcc to divx ;)
02:07 <DrJoeTron> many reasons
02:07 <DrJoeTron> well joda
02:07 <DrJoeTron> you can make people download vlc
02:07 <DrJoeTron> that plays EVERYTHING
02:08 <joda_bot> #m wrtlprnft tested with DIVX and XVID, as DIVX seems to be more common (your_man, drjoetron and me poll) change use --fourcc DIVX
02:08 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
02:09 <joda_bot> Yeah, and then you get complains that it does not play FMP4 by default ;)
02:09 <joda_bot> perhaps it does now, but it didn't earlier 
02:09 <Your_mom_arma> (your_man, drjoetron and me poll)
02:09 <joda_bot> earlier = in the past ;)
02:09 <joda_bot> lol
02:09 <joda_bot> damn
02:09 <joda_bot> sorry
02:09 <Your_mom_arma> np
02:09 <joda_bot> New notebook keyboard and I still have to get used to the layout
02:10 <joda_bot> those keys are really far apart ... hm
02:10 <DrJoeTron> should talk to swampy about perma banning people
02:10 <joda_bot> must have been brain lag
02:11 <joda_bot> my impression is that wrtlprnfts video is a bit fast
02:11 <joda_bot> but not sure if I got that right
02:12 <joda_bot> #night
02:12 <armabot> Good night joda_bot!
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02:12 <Your_mom_arma> my impresion was im not downloading a 256 mb video
02:12 <DrJoeTron> yeah thats what mine was
02:12 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:12 <DrJoeTron> especially one for armagetron
02:15 <DrJoeTron> but
02:15 <DrJoeTron> mom did you see the new wii videos?
02:15 <DrJoeTron> steel battalion looks great
02:17 <Your_mom_arma> link?
02:18 <DrJoeTron> http://media.games.ign.com/articles/693/693580/vid_1657122.html
02:18 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: it plays some ancient WMV1 codec nobody cares about?
02:19 <DrJoeTron> Luke-Jr to what are you talking about
02:19 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: VLC
02:20 <DrJoeTron> yes
02:20 <DrJoeTron> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.html
02:21 <Luke-Jr> doubt it
02:21 <DrJoeTron> why dont you download and find out
02:21 <DrJoeTron> it says it does
02:21 <Luke-Jr> maybe it just supports it via VFW
02:21 <Luke-Jr> on Windows
02:21 <DrJoeTron> says for all platforms
02:21 <Luke-Jr> of course, it might not be WMV1 I'm talking about either =p
02:22 <Luke-Jr> just some obscure codec nobody uses anymore
02:24 <Luke-Jr> ATI VCR-1?
02:24 <DrJoeTron> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.html
02:24 <DrJoeTron> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.html
02:24 <DrJoeTron> read
02:25 <Luke-Jr> lol
02:25 <Luke-Jr> no Real support...
02:25 <Luke-Jr> lame
02:26 <Your_mom_arma> lets find a way to convert all our video's to ascii flash animations
02:26 <Luke-Jr> Indeo was what I was thinking of
02:26 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld watch those
02:26 <Luke-Jr> Flash is evil
02:26 <Your_mom_arma> what isnt?
02:26 <Luke-Jr> SVG?
02:27 <Luke-Jr> aalib? libcaca?
02:28 <Your_mom_arma> man that guy sucks at video games howd he get that job
02:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah thats what i thought
02:28 <Your_mom_arma> hey lets use the helicopter against anti aircraft
02:28 <Your_mom_arma> oh wait
02:28 <Your_mom_arma> bad idea (copter crashes) 
02:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah, and just sits there
02:28 <DrJoeTron> and takes it
02:29 <Luke-Jr> wow, VLC supports Qt4
02:30 <Your_mom_arma> is there any way to limit fire fox from taking up 200mb if i leave it running?
02:30 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:31 <Luke-Jr> not unless Firefox itself does the limiting
02:31 <Your_mom_arma> quick make a firefox extension to do that
02:32 <Luke-Jr> my solution is to not use firefox
02:32 <Your_mom_arma> hey lets take the infantry against the tank
02:32 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
02:32 <Your_mom_arma> he hit that tree twice
02:33 <Your_mom_arma> then collided his own tanks
02:34 <Your_mom_arma> he just took another copter against anti air
02:34 <Luke-Jr> Your_mom_arma is fat
02:34 <Your_mom_arma> how fat?
02:34 <Luke-Jr> dunno, just being random
02:34 <Your_mom_arma> i dont get it
02:35 <Luke-Jr> <Servo888> did you call me fat?!
02:35 <Luke-Jr> in #qt
02:35 <Luke-Jr> so I called you fat here instead
02:36 <Your_mom_arma> you see the tank is impervius to missles (missle launcher destroys tank)
02:37 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
02:51 <spidey> duuuuuude
02:51 <spidey> i broke my voip,lol
02:51 <spidey> Luke-Jr, 
02:51 <Your_mom_arma> first half of red steel hes just shaking the controller randomly
02:53 <Your_mom_arma> he keeps complaining about being to close to the tv, either he's never played time crisis or he just doesnt understand how the game works
02:55 <spidey> http://www.hackers-inc.com/power_book.html
02:57 <Your_mom_arma> how can you miss a guy 5 times when hes 3 feet in front of you
03:00 <Your_mom_arma> as he engages bullet time and stands still getting shot
03:02 <spidey> hmm
03:02 <spidey> cat3 = phone line
03:02 <spidey> right?
03:06 <spidey> where's Luke-Jr when you need him :/
03:08 <Your_mom_arma> # google cat3 wiki
03:08 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Search took 0.23 seconds: Category 3 cable - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable>; Cat3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat3>; Image: Cat3 .jpg - Wikimedia Commons: <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Cat3.jpg>; Ruby on the Web: <http://www.rubycentral.com/links/index.html>; wiki :discussion:apachewindows (2 more messages)
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> there ya go
03:09 <spidey> that's not what i need Luke-Jr  for :p
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> that guy made me hat wii :-(
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> hate even
03:11 <spidey> damn
03:11 <spidey> now i gotta goto walmart
03:11 <spidey> radio shack's closed and i don't have the stuff i need to fix the voip line here
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> how could you let yourelf run out of duct tape?
03:14 <spidey> ...
03:14 <spidey> i need a head to the voip line
03:15 <spidey> normal phone line head won't work
03:15 <Your_mom_arma> sinc when am i on wraith squadren?
03:16 <spidey> ....
03:16 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=4_Team_Fortress_Tourney_1&diff=15359&oldid=15347
03:17 <spidey> i can't load a webpage
03:17 <spidey> well i can, but it's slow as shit
03:17 <Your_mom_arma> ignore the spelling errors
03:18 <spidey> hell if i know
03:18 <spidey> i didn't even put my name down :p
03:19 <spidey> something tells me i'ma have to rewire the cable to
03:19 <spidey> even though i did that right
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03:54 <spidey> man, just see someone you haven't seen in months, then you get this
03:54 <spidey> megan: fuck off fatass u were supposed to report me to homeland security u lil faggot
03:54 <spidey> spidey: huh?
04:01 <Luke-Jr> spidey: 
04:01 <mkzelda> he's gone
04:02 <Luke-Jr> says who
04:02 <mkzelda> says me
04:02 <Luke-Jr> spidey: there's 2 kinds of cable
04:02 <Luke-Jr> phone
04:02 <Luke-Jr> and ethernet
04:02 <mkzelda> he's not here
04:02 <Luke-Jr> there is no voip cable
04:02 <Luke-Jr> ..
04:02 <mkzelda> you're talking to everyone but him
04:02  * Luke-Jr picks up the phone
04:03 <Luke-Jr> na
04:03 <Luke-Jr> h
04:11 <mkzelda> wrtlprnft, that vid quality makes it unfun to watch :/
04:23 <Your_mom_arma> that low?
04:34 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, Your_mom_arma 
04:34 <spidey> well, anyone really
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> what?
04:36 <spidey> would my ping being 300 or so affect the server load?
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> not that I know of, why?
04:37 <spidey> some moron on shrunkland
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> was he named Audrey?
04:37 <spidey> i ran the cables wrong and my upstream is fucked, and my ping was about 300
04:38 <spidey> nah it was like vrtkm
04:38 <spidey> or something
04:38 <Your_mom_arma> it was, i was there
04:38 <spidey> who was you O.o
04:38 <spidey> you're not TiS are you? lol
04:38 <Your_mom_arma> player 1
04:39 <spidey> ah
04:39 <spidey> anyways, tomorrow i get to climb ontop of the house again to see if i sliced the line somewhere
04:39 <spidey> :/
04:40 <spidey> i have a feeling when i was using the power drill to skrew the cable to the side of the wall between the first floor and second floor i cut the line when the drill slipped
04:43 <spidey> There is no upper SNR limit, although in practice 40 dB is about the highest seen. 
04:43 <spidey> mine's like 44 
04:43 <spidey> i got a new record :D
04:44 <spidey> 1. Signal levels not within the specifications listed above can cause slow speeds, connection problems, and connection loss due to packet errors, packet loss, and/or constant packet retransmission.
04:44 <spidey> i think i found my connection problem
04:44 <spidey> both of my d/b levels are off from that chart O.o
05:17 <spidey> No new posts, How do I get Linux to use my cable modem? .
05:17 <spidey> lol
05:18 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:18 <spidey> Luke-Jr!
05:18 <Luke-Jr> you plug an ethernet wire into the modem and computer
05:18 <spidey> i know
05:19 <Luke-Jr> then why'd you ask
05:19 <spidey> that was a post on a board somewhere
05:19  * spidey points upward
05:19 <Luke-Jr> o
05:19 <spidey> Luke-Jr, i broke my voip line :/
05:19 <Luke-Jr> spidey: gonna stick around with us longer? :)
05:19 <Luke-Jr> what voip line?
05:19 <spidey> you know that line that runs from the box to the voip router?
05:20 <Luke-Jr> you mean the ethernet cable?
05:20 <spidey> no?
05:20 <Luke-Jr> phone cable, then
05:20 <spidey> ya...
05:20 <spidey> eeither way, i broke the tip off, which is now stuck inside the house :/
05:20 <Luke-Jr> the house?
05:20 <spidey> yes
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> that was dumb, why'd you do that?
05:20 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:21 <Luke-Jr> what house?
05:21 <spidey> charter made a hole and ran the wire through the wall
05:21 <spidey> but it wasn't big enough to come back out
05:21 <spidey> :(
05:21 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:21 <Luke-Jr> you trust Charter for anything more than you need to?
05:21 <spidey> no, i wasn't here
05:22 <Luke-Jr> the correct way to do it is to add a normal phone jack in the wall near the router and plug the phone port into it
05:22 <Luke-Jr> and then all your other phone jacks are connected
05:22 <Luke-Jr> make sure the POTS is disconnected first tho
05:22 <spidey> ah, i can do that
05:22 <spidey> i think O.o
05:22 <spidey> pots?
05:22 <Luke-Jr> Plain Old
05:23 <spidey> mm
05:23 <spidey> first
05:23 <Luke-Jr> if you don't d/c POTS, it will eventually fry the ATA
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: so, if I want to record to video, should I make the recording with -benchmark too?
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> or just play it back like that?
05:23 <spidey> how do i coonnect the voip line to a phonejack, phone lines have 2 wires, voip line has 4
05:26 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: yes, benchmark is needed w/o fixed framerate
05:26 <Luke-Jr> phone lines have 4
05:26 <Luke-Jr> 2 per line
05:26 <Luke-Jr> that's why you see POTS phones w/ 2 lines and 1 jack
05:27 <Luke-Jr> some wires are "shortcut" wires and only connect 1 phone line
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> so which is?  Do I need it both during recording and playback?
05:27 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: playback. recording needs fixed framerate
05:27 <Luke-Jr> I have never seen any ATAs that support 2 lines on 1 wire
05:27 <Luke-Jr> so all you need is the one-line phone wire
05:28 <Luke-Jr> s/wire/cord
05:28 <Luke-Jr> just like 100 Mbit ethernet, actually
05:29 <Luke-Jr> 100 Mbit ethernet only uses 4 wires, even tho Cat5 has 8
05:29 <Luke-Jr> single-line phone wires only use 2 of the 4 wires in the cord
05:32 <spidey> Luke-Jr, i cut the wire, there was 2 lines in it, red and green o.o
05:32 <Luke-Jr> well, there's only 2 possible ways to put a new head on... =p
05:32 <spidey> ...
05:32 <Luke-Jr> lol
05:32 <spidey> the voip has 4
05:33 <Luke-Jr> only 2 are used
05:33 <Luke-Jr> that's why someone cheated with your red/green cord and skipped them
05:33 <spidey> which ones, blue/light blue orange/other color
05:33 <Luke-Jr> dunno
05:33 <Luke-Jr> look at where your red/green ones go
05:33 <Luke-Jr> and that's probably them
05:33 <Luke-Jr> the pins I mean
05:33 <spidey> well
05:34 <spidey> the jack has 8 colors, 
05:34 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:34 <spidey> 4 are used, none are the color i need :p
05:34 <Luke-Jr> what jack?
05:35 <spidey> wall jack...
05:35 <Luke-Jr> where does it have colours?
05:35 <spidey> inside the box...
05:35 <Luke-Jr> oh, you took it out of the wall?
05:35 <spidey> no?
05:35 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:35 <spidey> it's one of those little boxes you mount :p
05:35 <Luke-Jr> erm, ew
05:35 <Luke-Jr> it has 8 wires?
05:36 <spidey> it has spots for 8
05:36 <spidey> 4 are used
05:36 <Luke-Jr> it has 8 pins?
05:36 <spidey> blue, orange, red, black , green , white , yellow , and BR whatever that is
05:37 <Luke-Jr> gnight
05:37 <spidey> lol
05:37 <Luke-Jr> phone jacks only have 4 pins
05:37 <Luke-Jr> 8 pins is ethernet
05:37 <Luke-Jr> gnight
05:38 <spidey> this is a phone jack
05:38 <Luke-Jr> not if it has 8 wires
05:38 <spidey> 1 because a ethernet cord would never fit in here
05:38 <spidey> it's to small
05:38 <spidey> a phone line clips in just fine :p
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05:50 <GodTodd> pbx uses 8 wires
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> my dick has 8 wires
05:53 <DrJoeTron> mine has 12
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> heh, hey joe
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> where you goin' with that gun in your hand?
05:55 <spidey> Many home alarms are wired using a RJ31X jack (an 8-pin modular jack
05:55  * spidey slaps Luke-Jr 
05:56 <Your_mom_arma> to the gun show?(flexes bicep)
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> I wish php would finish compiling, I want to make a real arma video
06:20 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: Know what they have at the beach? SAND (throws sand in your eyes)
06:25 <spidey> hah
06:25 <spidey> i have a phone again
06:25 <spidey> i think it's gay they include line 1 and line 2 in the same line
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> what does that have to do with being in love with people that have the same genitals as you?
06:29 <spidey> lol
06:33 <spidey> Charter High-Speed Cable Internet—Connection Types Offered
06:33 <spidey> Charter’s high speed Internet services run at 3 Mbps, which is about 60 times faster than standard dial-up connections.  Cable connections are reliable and fast, making life on the Internet enjoyable.  
06:33 <spidey> i call bullshit
06:33 <spidey> http://www.broadbandinfo.com/want-high-speed/providers/charter/default.html
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06:56 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma so i donated my blood the other day, not mine
06:57 <Your_mom_arma> alright we'll settle this out of court how about half
06:57 <Your_mom_arma> OF NOTHING
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?  did I miss something?
07:01 <DrJoeTron> Your honor the label on the record clearly says "intended for fish only"
07:05 <spidey> lmao
07:06 <DrJoeTron> see, the beginning and the end of it were great
07:06 <DrJoeTron> tthe middle was eh
07:06 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
07:08 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma http://www.adultswim.com/adultswimfix/index.jsp metalocalypse
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, I need a plugin to watch it that I don't have
07:11 <DrJoeTron> :/ sorry
07:11 <DrJoeTron> wmv
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07:13 <Your_mom_arma> hey
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> Fishes aints gots no good metal
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> I can watch wmv, but I guess I'd have to dig to get a link.  Hmmmm.......
07:15  * Lucifer_arma wonders why glibc takes so goddamn long to build
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07:26 <DrJoeTron> hahah
07:27 <DrJoeTron> This song is called, Mur-maid-er. Its about Mermaid Murder
07:31 <Your_mom_arma> WOWEE
07:31 <DrJoeTron> This is metal... for fish 
07:34 <DrJoeTron> I saw this thing online, thats we coulds names a star after somebody, so's i was thinkings maybe we could name a a star Muhammed ali, the black prized fighter, and give him that for his birthday. How about that?....... Fuck you.
07:38 <Your_mom_arma> we got you just what you wanted...
07:38 <Your_mom_arma> DISAPOINTMENT
07:39 <DrJoeTron> You mean I actually get to destroy american history? Literally!?
07:39 <DrJoeTron> united states*
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10:47 <Your_mom_arma> wb
10:49 <wrtlprnft> ty
10:50 <wrtlprnft> uh, when did i leave?
10:50 <Your_mom_arma> (04:48:20) wrtlprnft [n=wrtlprnf@] entered the room.
10:50 <wrtlprnft> nah
10:50 <wrtlprnft> when did I get disconnected?
10:50 <wrtlprnft> when did my computer crash? :s
10:50 <Your_mom_arma> (02:52:51) wrtlprnft left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
10:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 2:52AM CDT in GMT
10:51 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
10:51 <wrtlprnft> aww
10:51 <wrtlprnft> can't do that
10:51 <wrtlprnft> lame
10:52 <wrtlprnft> something's screwed up with my fonts too :(
10:52 <wrtlprnft> they're all too big
10:53 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: uh, what do you suggest?
10:54 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: make it higher quality and even bigger?
10:54 <cusco> wrtlprnft: that was 07:52:16  :P
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know where I can get a good tablet pc for cheap?
10:56 <DrJoeTron> www.tabletforlucifer.tk
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> right
10:56 <wrtlprnft> http://good-tablet-pc-for-cheap.com
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> jesus, the tablets on ebay are going for the same as brand new
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> what's the point of buying it on ebay if you're paying brand new prices for it?  Is it just the thrill of the auction?
11:00 <wrtlprnft> now someone tell my why my console font has such a weird spacing now...
11:00 <wrtlprnft> way too big
11:01 <wrtlprnft> font size 9 is too small, font size 10 is too big
11:02  * wrtlprnft suspects it has something to do with the two lines he put into his xorg.conf a while ago for Luke-Jr 
11:02 <DrJoeTron> 9.5 :D
11:02 <DrJoeTron> alright, night guys
11:02 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: good idea, with a small catch
11:02 <wrtlprnft> it does't work
11:02 <wrtlprnft> cya
11:02 <DrJoeTron> hah i know
11:03  * wrtlprnft tries editin his konsolerc by hand
11:03 <wrtlprnft> *editing
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> fuck.  every used tablet pc I'm finding is priced at the same as I can get a comparable new one :/
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5638626152.html   <--- this is looking like the best bet, or an older model
11:17  * wrtlprnft is slowly getting angry at durka
11:17 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Strategy_Experiments_%28Anarchic_Wanderers%29&curid=1695&diff=15501&oldid=14006&rcid=14147
11:17 <Your_mom_arma> took you long enough
11:17 <wrtlprnft> i mean *really* fed up
11:18 <Your_mom_arma> i kind of got fed up after the third pm on the forums about port forwording
11:18 <wrtlprnft> o_O
11:18  * wrtlprnft was lucky there, didn't get any
11:20 <Your_mom_arma> i pretty much hate his whole clan too
11:20 <Your_mom_arma> bar one or two members
11:23 <wrtlprnft> what about they rename to wpon
11:23 <wrtlprnft> we pwn only noobs
11:24 <Your_mom_arma> haha
11:25 <wrtlprnft> maybe even NPU?
11:25 <wrtlprnft> noobs pwn us
11:25 <Your_mom_arma> classic
11:25 <wrtlprnft> or WRN, we are noobs
11:36 <wrtlprnft> ok, is i2020 gonna kill me if i join his team? ;)
11:37  * Your_mom_arma shakes eightball
11:37 <Your_mom_arma> zask again later :{
11:37 <wrtlprnft> x_X
11:37 <Your_mom_arma> he wouldnt kill you but i dont think he'ld be pleased
11:38 <wrtlprnft> well, obviously the lobster cage IS on the server list
11:38 <wrtlprnft> 4 players
11:38  * wrtlprnft doesn't know exactly who to recruit
11:38 <Your_mom_arma> you could come get help im a bug
11:39 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:39  * wrtlprnft doesn't even know how he would name his team
11:39 <Your_mom_arma> lobster cage hes a decent player
11:40 <wrtlprnft> does the trunk compile on windows now?
11:40 <Your_mom_arma> ask DrJoeTron for a team name
11:41 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *joda* mplayer doesn't know about --fourcc, neither does he know about --lavcopts fourcc=divx
11:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
11:42 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: could you #m zman that i have a recording of the engine crash from pig sty
11:45 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: uh, he isn't in here that often
11:45 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: you're better off if you ask on the forums
11:45 <Your_mom_arma> okay
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> man, even a wacom cintiq tablet by itself is half the price of a tablet pc
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'd be better off with that pepper web thingee
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> I take it back, they want $2500 for their cintiq, that's a lot more than a tablet pc :/
12:29 <wrtlprnft> I want my old console font back!
12:29 <wrtlprnft> this one sucks.
12:30 <Your_mom_arma> not good enough for your team?
12:33 <wrtlprnft> uh
12:33 <wrtlprnft> oh, i was supposed to ask him?
12:33 <wrtlprnft> argh
12:33 <wrtlprnft> sure he's good.
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'll trade my compaq for a real tablet pc
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12:40 <madmax|pt> hello
12:43 <wrtlprnft> hi there
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12:45 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'll trade my compaq for a real tablet pc
12:45 <Your_mom_arma> :-/
12:45 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:46 <wrtlprnft> man, I'll trade my compaq for a real tablet pc
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> <wrtlprnft> man, I'll trade my compaq for a real tablet pc
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, thought it ws worth mentioning twice in case these newcomers had a tablet pc they'd trade for my compaq
12:48 <Your_mom_arma> tablet pcs are way to expensive
12:48 <Your_mom_arma> why do you wnat one?
12:48 <cusco_> probabl because its a expensive toy :P
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> to take notes
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> http://xournal.sourceforge.net
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> add some handwriting recognition that understands integrals/derivatives/limits and I've got a math note taker
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> with a keyboard I can still take notes for my other classes like I already do, and they tend to be a bit lighter than the 7-pounder I'm lugging around
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5638626152.html   <--- this is still looking like the best bet
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> or I can go for the Nokia 770, which is coming in fairly close to my price range
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> and can replace my aging clie that's about to die
12:51 <Your_mom_arma> i want to get a pda and make zman port arma to it
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12:52 <Lucifer_arma> I might be able to recover up to $500 by selling my presario, maybe more, but that's only if I get a tablet and can replace the laptop
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> that pepper pad won't replace the laptop, and neither would a nokia 770
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, if I preorder a pepper pad and then write a review for it, I might recover $250 from that, bringing it down to within my price range
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12:53 <Your_mom_arma> you mean get one of those wrting tab replacment mouse things?
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, exactly
12:55 <Your_mom_arma> im kind of asleep and playing arma thus the disorientation
12:55 <Lucifer_arma> it still needs a keyboard to do what I need from it, though, but most of the tablet pcs have keyboards
12:55 <Your_mom_arma> you had to stop playing to wait for him to join wrtlprnft
12:56 <spidey> what where those old ass pc's
12:56 <spidey> they where really small
12:56 <spidey> had a apple symbol
12:56 <spidey> had like a little keybord or something rack
12:56 <Your_mom_arma> macintosh?
12:56 <spidey> maybe
12:56 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: anyways, wanna join my team? ;)
12:56 <spidey> i sold one of those a looooooooooong time ago at a yardsale
12:57 <wrtlprnft> #later tell ghab* if i was going to make a ladle team, would you join?
12:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
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12:57 <hiab> hi
12:57 <Your_mom_arma> if you can get lacksadaisical on your team and i get to name it okay
12:57 <wrtlprnft> hi
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> no, I'm after something that's basically a regular notebook, only the screen folds down to cover the keyboard and you can use a pen on it
12:57 <hiab> whoa christ everyone is in here
12:57 <wrtlprnft> haha
12:57 <Your_mom_arma> hi
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> that's never happened before
12:58 <Your_mom_arma> you guys really had to quit playing to join irc?
12:58 <hiab> i didn't have to
12:58 <hiab> but i did
12:58 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: i have other stuff to do :s
12:58 <wrtlprnft> i can't play, but i have no problem chatting
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> list is $1699, actual price is $1649, why do I feel like I won't save any real money at that price point?
13:01 <wrtlprnft> hiab: anyways, any good ideas for a team name
13:02  * wrtlprnft is totally uncreative
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> FIghting Smegheads
13:02 <hiab> haha
13:02 <hiab> so are we the only two right now/
13:03 <wrtlprnft> hiab: there's a 90% chance i'll get vanhayes to join
13:03 <hiab> ok i don't know anything about him
13:03 <Lucifer_arma> oh, that's help I'm a bug
13:03 <hiab> yes :D
13:03  * Lucifer_arma finally figured out hiab, heh
13:03 <wrtlprnft> he's quite a nice guy, but bad lag sometimes
13:03 <Lucifer_arma> he's a dickhead
13:03 <Lucifer_arma> heh
13:04 <Lucifer_arma> ltns, bugboy
13:04 <wrtlprnft> it could be Hi In A Bit o_O
13:04 <hiab> yep yep...
13:04 <Lucifer_arma> well I better git to bed, first class is only 6 hours away
13:04 <hiab> night
13:04 <Lucifer_arma> and I've just about scraped the web of all useful tablet pc info
13:05 <wrtlprnft> night Lucifer_arma 
13:05 <hiab> this is even harder than coming up with names for bands. on the other hand it has less... importance
13:05 <wrtlprnft> true
13:05 <wrtlprnft> heh, there have been bad team names already
13:05 <hiab> what are the teams
13:05 <Your_mom_arma> team monster truck
13:06 <wrtlprnft> currently just tronic monkeys and WPN
13:06 <wrtlprnft> but the 3rd ladle just ended
13:06 <hiab> Pretty Colors
13:06 <hiab> :)
13:06 <wrtlprnft> so it needs time for people to sign up
13:06 <wrtlprnft> don't expect WPN to be any competition
13:08 <hiab> just so i know: what does your name mean?
13:09 <wrtlprnft> heh, not that much
13:09 <wrtlprnft> no vovels
13:09 <wrtlprnft> #cyborg wrtlprnft 
13:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: W.R.T.L.P.R.N.F.T.: Wireless Robotic Technician Limited to Potential Repair, Nullification and Forbidden Troubleshooting
13:10 <hiab> :o
13:10 <wrtlprnft> hiab meet armabot, armabot meet hiab 
13:10 <cusco_> how cool is that, hu?
13:10 <hiab> that's pretty neat
13:10 -!- cusco_ is now known as cusco
13:10 <hiab> hello armabot
13:10 <wrtlprnft> #hi
13:10 <Your_mom_arma> #cyborg hiab
13:10 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: H.I.A.B.: Humanoid Intended for Assassination and Battle
13:10 <wrtlprnft> #g armagetronad wiki
13:10 <hiab> hahahahaha
13:10 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
13:10 <wrtlprnft> ack
13:10 <wrtlprnft> #google armagetronad wiki
13:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.36 seconds: Main Page - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/>; Playing the Game - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Playing_the_Game>; ArmageTRON Advanced - CIA: <http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad>; ArmageTRON Advanced - CIA: <http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad?s_message=1>; Armagetron Forums :: View topic - (2 more messages)
13:10 <hiab> #cyborg hiab
13:11 <armabot> hiab: H.I.A.B.: Humanoid Intended for Assassination and Battle
13:11 <cusco> #cyborg cusco
13:11 <armabot> cusco: C.U.S.C.O.: Cybernetic Unit Skilled in Calculation and Observation
13:11 <wrtlprnft> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
13:11 <cusco> woa
13:11 <armabot> the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
13:11 <hiab> honestly, that's pretty awesome
13:11 <wrtlprnft> #g 100 seconds in years
13:11 <armabot> 100 seconds = 3.16887646 * 10^(-6) years
13:11 <cusco> and cusco in my language means "curious"
13:11 <hiab> #cyborg nnnnnnnnnn
13:11 <armabot> hiab: N.N.N.N.N.N.N.N.N.N.: Networked Nuclear Neohuman Normally for Nocturnal Nullification, Necessary Negotiation and Nimble Nanotechnology
13:12 <hiab> hahaha
13:12 <cusco> lol
13:12 <Your_mom_arma> #cyborg Your_mom
13:12 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Y.O.U.R.M.O.M.: Ytterbium Operational Unit Responsible for Mathematics and Online Murder
13:12 <hiab> online murder?/
13:12 <hiab> wow
13:12 <hiab> harsh
13:13 <spidey> #cyborg spidey
13:13 <armabot> spidey: S.P.I.D.E.Y.: Synthetic Positronic Individual Designed for Efficient Yelling
13:13 <hiab> that's kinda lame, dude
13:13 <hiab> :/
13:13 <wrtlprnft> #cyborg YYZZZXXX
13:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Y.Y.Z.Z.Z.X.X.X.: Youth Yearning for Zealous Zoology, Zesty Xenocide and Xpert Xecution
13:13 <Your_mom_arma> lame but accurate
13:13 <Your_mom_arma> :)
13:13 <hiab> #cyborg helpimabug
13:13 <spidey> o.o
13:13 <armabot> hiab: H.E.L.P.I.M.A.B.U.G.: Handcrafted Electronic Lifeform Programmed for Immediate Mathematics, Accurate Battle and Ultimate Gratification
13:13 <hiab> ultimate gratification!
13:14 <Your_mom_arma> jk around
13:14  * wrtlprnft still can't come up with a good name
13:14 <Your_mom_arma> Monster truck is a good team name
13:15 <wrtlprnft> hiab: agree?
13:15 <hiab> no :/
13:15 <Your_mom_arma> haha
13:15 <wrtlprnft> x_X
13:15 <wrtlprnft> team 42?
13:15 <hiab> just team monster would be better
13:16 <wrtlprnft> uh, ok
13:16 <spidey> team pwn
13:16 <wrtlprnft> we can still change it
13:16 <wrtlprnft> spidey: nah
13:16 <wrtlprnft> sound sto much like team wpn
13:16 <hiab> team tame mate meat
13:16 <spidey> lo
13:16 <spidey> ll
13:16 <wrtlprnft> #shuffle t e a m
13:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: t e a m
13:16 <hiab> haha
13:16 <wrtlprnft> lame
13:16 <wrtlprnft> #shuffle t e a m
13:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: e a m t
13:17 <hiab> #shuffle ambidexterity
13:17 <armabot> hiab: ambidexterity
13:17 <hiab> oh
13:17 <hiab> has to be separated
13:17 <spidey> #shuffle t e a m e
13:17 <armabot> spidey: t e a e m
13:17 <hiab> #shuffle a b c d e f g h i
13:17 <armabot> hiab: b f c d i g a e h
13:17 <spidey> #shuffle t e a m e
13:17 <armabot> spidey: e a e t m
13:17 <wrtlprnft> well, i'll name it team monster for now
13:17 <wrtlprnft> we can still change it
13:17 <hiab> yeah of course
13:18 <spidey> #shuffle t e a m e
13:18 <armabot> spidey: e t e m a
13:18 <hiab> shit
13:18 <hiab> it's 7 am
13:18  * spidey wants it to say eatme
13:18 <hiab> ugh
13:18 <spidey> 6"30am
13:18 <Your_mom_arma> 719 am
13:18 <spidey> liar
13:18 <spidey> %g CDT
13:19 <spidey> %g CDT
13:19  * Your_mom_arma double checks
13:19 <spidey> 'er
13:19 <Your_mom_arma> nope its 19 minutes
13:19 <spidey> no
13:19 <spidey> my computer says it's 4:20am
13:19 <spidey> lol
13:19 <Your_mom_arma> too bad
13:19 <wrtlprnft> hiab: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Ladle-4/Team_List
13:19 <wrtlprnft> add your name, and be sure to read http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Ladle-4
13:19 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, manta said he put your name down
13:21 <Your_mom_arma> well why?
13:22 <spidey> steve irwin got killed by a stingray
13:22 <Your_mom_arma> old news
13:24 <spidey> man i don't feel like climbing back ontop of the house
13:24 <spidey> we need a ladder
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16:34 <madmax|pt> did you recruit 'help im a bug' wrtlprnft ?
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17:49 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: oui
17:50 <wrtlprnft> he's playing quite nicely, though he hasn't played fortress yet
17:54 <madmax|pt> he was giving him some tips a while ago
17:54 <madmax|pt> smart new players are always nice
17:55 <madmax|pt> i think he was excited about the idea...
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17:57 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: yeah
17:57 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6162 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/AATeam/wrtlprnft-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: removed all camera attributes, they didn't make sense anyways.
17:58 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I confirmed the FourCC changing works for XVID and DIVX
17:59 <[dlh]> wrtlprnft: Mind if I leech off your feed? http://generalconsumption.org/tmp/browser.png
18:00 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: not at all
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18:00 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: but how do i tell that to mencoder?
18:01 <wrtlprnft> 93 audio & 211 video codecs
18:01 <wrtlprnft> --fourcc is not an MEncoder option
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18:04 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6163 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/AATeam/wrtlprnft-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Increased version number too
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18:09 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/testfile-0.0.3.aacockpit.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:14 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: tell me if you need “next update” times, ie how long the client should wait at least before requesting the file again
18:44 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft:  http://www.debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=443825&sid=1172691e2802fb98c094a2af063aac1d
18:44 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: seems to be a optional compile time option
18:46 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: my mplayer is compiled with divx support…
18:46 <wrtlprnft> at least portage says so
18:47 <wrtlprnft> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
18:47 <wrtlprnft> Calculating dependencies   ... done!
18:47 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild   R   ] media-video/mplayer-1.0_pre8  USE="X aac aalib alsa encode esd gif gtk ipv6 jpeg live mad opengl oss png real sdl sse sse2 theora truetype unicode vorbis win32codecs xmms xv xvid xvmc -3dfx -3dnow -3dnowext -arts -bidi -bindist -bl -cdparanoia -cpudetection -custom-cflags -debug -dga -directfb -doc -dts -dv -dvb -dvd -dvdread -fbcon -ggi -i8x0 -jack -joystick -libcaca -lirc -livecd -lzo -matrox -mmx -mmxext -musepack -nas -nvidia -openal -rtc -samba -speex -svga -tga -v4l -v4l2 -x264 -xanim -xinerama" 0 kB 
18:47 <wrtlprnft> Total size of downloads: 0 kB
18:48 <wrtlprnft> xvid...
18:49 <wrtlprnft> that guy didn't find a solution for him either btw
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19:10 <joda_bot> no mencoder
19:11 <joda_bot> sorry did not read to the end
19:13 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: mencoder is part of mplayer
19:14 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: that is, if you compile it with the encode USE flag
19:14 <wrtlprnft> MEncoder 1.0pre8-3.4.6 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
19:14 <wrtlprnft> CPU:         Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1300MHz (Family: 6, Model: 9, Stepping: 5)
19:14 <wrtlprnft> MMX supported but disabled
19:14 <wrtlprnft> MMX2 supported but disabled
19:14 <wrtlprnft> CPUflags: Type: 6 MMX: 0 MMX2: 0 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
19:14 <wrtlprnft> Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: SSE SSE2
19:14 <wrtlprnft> 93 audio & 211 video codecs
19:14 <wrtlprnft> No file given
19:14 <wrtlprnft> Exiting... (error parsing command line)
19:14 <wrtlprnft> err
19:14 <wrtlprnft> sorry
19:14 <wrtlprnft> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
19:14 <wrtlprnft> Calculating dependencies   
19:14 <wrtlprnft> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "mencoder".
19:14 <wrtlprnft> that's what i wanted
19:15  * wrtlprnft notes that /exec -o is dangerous
19:22 <guru3> np
19:24 <wrtlprnft> bb in like 1 hour
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21:28 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6164 /private/wrtlprnft/armaspyadvanced/armaspyadvanced.py: (log message trimmed)
21:28 <armabot> armagetronad: - Reinstanciated the quit menu item
21:28 <armabot> armagetronad: - New buddy feature: click on the systray icon to bring up a config screen, then
21:28 <armabot> armagetronad: click on "buddies". You can now add your favorite players (regex) and they'll
21:28 <armabot> armagetronad: appear in the popup menu if they're online (together with the server they're on,
21:28 <armabot> armagetronad: if you click them you directly connect to that server).
21:28 <armabot> armagetronad: - New feature that lets you see all online players on a glance
21:35 <wrtlprnft> take that, armabell!
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22:53 <joda_bot> ding
22:54 <wrtlprnft> …
22:54 <wrtlprnft> someone tell me what those edits on [[Map Making]] are about...
22:56 <joda_bot> no idea ;)
22:56 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Can you use a hexeditor to change the fourcc (that's what I did ;))
22:57 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: what do i need to change then?
22:57  * wrtlprnft wonders if he actually has a hex editor
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23:31 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: just look for FMP4 and replace the two occurences with XVID or DIVX
23:31 <joda_bo1> this makes the videos playable for me
23:31 <joda_bo1> DIVX ist probably more common
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ok
23:33 <wrtlprnft> now i just need to find a hex editor that works
23:33 <wrtlprnft> i don't feel like loading a 250MB file with vim
23:37 <joda_bo1> hexedit ?
23:37 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:37 <wrtlprnft> emerging
23:38 <wrtlprnft> 0000006C   76 69 64 73  46 4D 50 34  00 00 00 00  vidsFMP4....
23:38 <wrtlprnft> that line?
23:39 <joda_bo1> there shoule be two
23:39 <joda_bo1> not sure which one is comment and which one is important
23:39 <joda_bo1> I changed both
23:40 <wrtlprnft> i see it
23:40 <wrtlprnft> looks like i can't edit the ascii directly
23:40 <wrtlprnft> need to punch in hex codes :s
23:41 <wrtlprnft> 0000006C   76 69 64 73  44 49 56 58  00 00 00 00  vidsDIVX....
23:41 <wrtlprnft> 000000B4   E0 01 00 00  01 00 18 00  44 49 56 58  ........DIVX
23:42 <wrtlprnft> i love that cool help feature… just shows me the manpage
23:42 <wrtlprnft> VIDEO:  [DIVX]  640x480  24bpp  30.000 fps  799.3 kbps (97.6 kbyte/s)
23:42 <wrtlprnft> looks like it worked :)
23:44 <wrtlprnft> now, how do i upload it? :s
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23:49 <wrtlprnft> > We're experiencing system slowness - please try again in a little while.  Thanks for your patience!
23:49 <wrtlprnft> that's what i get now when trying to edit my video :s
23:50 <joda_bo1> ask for ssh access, then you can just transfer the differences ;)
23:50 <wrtlprnft> that's probably gonna take even longer
23:51 <joda_bo1> why ?
23:51 <wrtlprnft> well, to wait for them to reply
23:51 <wrtlprnft> i can upload it over night no problem
23:52 <joda_bo1> with rsync you can just compute the differences, the system speed is slow or the cpu there ?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> dunno
23:52 <wrtlprnft> if i had ssh access i'd just copy over the first few kilibytes
23:52 <wrtlprnft> or run hexedit on there
23:52 <joda_bo1> oh right ;)
23:53 <joda_bo1> some kind of ftp resume transfer might work too ,)
23:53 <wrtlprnft> well, i dunno how that works
23:53 <joda_bo1> there are no good FTP clients that really implement these features in a sane way
23:54 <joda_bo1> just thousands of halfbaked FTP clients
23:55 <wrtlprnft> x_X
23:55 <joda_bo1> AFAIK (might be someone can correct me ;))
23:57 <wrtlprnft> upload for awavsawb is going
23:58 <wrtlprnft> the other upload's going too now
23:59 <wrtlprnft> probably gonna take two hours now
23:59 <joda_bo1> does not sound too slow 
23:59 <joda_bo1> What kind of connection do you use for upload ?

Log from 2006-09-06:
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00:00 <wrtlprnft> well, getting a bit over 40KB/s on each upload
00:00 <wrtlprnft> normal internet connection
00:00 <joda_bo1> sounds like some kind of 6MBit/700kBit Connection ;)
00:00 <wrtlprnft> actually
00:00 <wrtlprnft> http://cablesurf.de/tarife.php?id=11
00:01 <wrtlprnft> the bottom–most one
00:01 <wrtlprnft> it was originally 4000kBit/256kBit I think
00:01 <wrtlprnft> then they kept upgrading it for free
00:01 <wrtlprnft> and I didn't complain :)
00:03 <joda_bo1> hows the latency over those cable modems ?
00:03 <wrtlprnft> pretty nice
00:04 <wrtlprnft> i used to get around 50ms ping on BF
00:04 <wrtlprnft> that is, using my higher- end PC over a wired connection
00:04 <wrtlprnft> this laptop over WLAN lags quite a bit :(
00:05 <joda_bo1> hm, I'm pretty new to WLAN ;)
00:06 <wrtlprnft> well, something's screwed up with my router/wlan card/driver/settings too
00:06 <joda_bo1> but after upgrading my router to OpenWRT the linksys WLAN and Intel chipset on windows work pretty well
00:06 <wrtlprnft> i just dunno what to blame :(
00:06 <DrJoeTron> Liberal media
00:06  * wrtlprnft wishes he had a router he could install openwrt on
00:07 <joda_bo1> what kind of router do you have ?
00:07 <joda_bo1> they really advanced their device support (AFAIK)
00:07 <wrtlprnft> wrt54gc
00:08 <wrtlprnft> i might buy a new one
00:08 <joda_bo1> ah, not enough flash memory :-(
00:09 <joda_bo1> Does anyone know a social wlan service company (hard to discribe)
00:09 <joda_bo1> They offer WLAN Hotspots for members for free, if the member hosts a WLAN hotspot for others too
00:10 <wrtlprnft> not me
00:10 <joda_bo1> and then they have some payed subscriptions for ppl who just want to use the hotspots
00:10 <joda_bo1> well, I saw some report on Tv or heard about it, but I canÄt 
00:11 <joda_bo1> can't recall the name or anything to find it with
00:13 <wrtlprnft> sucks :(
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00:23 <MaZuffeR> joda_bo1: http://en.fon.com/
00:24 <MaZuffeR> also https://open.sparknet.fi/index.php
00:24  * spidey pokes MaZuffeR 
00:24  * MaZuffeR pokes spidey
00:24 <spidey> :D
00:25 <spidey> MaZuffeR, teach me how to play fortress again!
00:25 <MaZuffeR> eh?
00:25 <spidey> this is the second time i got caught up in another game and suck at tron :D
00:26 <MaZuffeR> just play a few hours and it'll come back to you
00:26 <spidey> lol
00:26 <spidey> last time it took 2 weeks :p
00:26 <MaZuffeR> it tooks about 5 hours for me
00:26 <joda_bo1> MaZuffeR: thx
00:26 <MaZuffeR> yw
00:26 <spidey> Luke-Jr, 
00:27 <joda_bo1> ah, LINUS BILL ALIEN ;)
00:27 <joda_bo1> ah cool ;)
00:27 <joda_bo1> that's what I remember ;)
00:27 <joda_bo1> anyone using / offering it ?
00:30 <joda_bo1> Woa there a lot of access points in my city Paderborn ;)
00:30 <joda_bo1> cool
00:40 <wrtlprnft> grr, sometime python is annoying
00:41 <wrtlprnft> you can't insert an integer into an XML file without explicitly converting it
00:47 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6165 /private/wrtlprnft/armaspyadvanced/armaspyadvanced.py: Again a more sensible default for the armagetronad command, to prevent further reoccurences of that problem armaspyad now reads its settings from the XML file, too.
00:47 <wrtlprnft> :)
00:48 <joda_bo1> gn8 all, wrtlprnft
00:48 <joda_bo1> #night
00:48 <armabot> Good night joda_bo1!
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00:51 <wrtlprnft> o_O i just managed to crash elinks!
00:58 <wrtlprnft> anyways
00:58 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:58 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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01:18 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: can you add transperent png support to cockpit files?
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05:17 <Lucifer_arma> fucking gentoo
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05:40 <Your_mom_arma> hi
05:40 <hiab> hi
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05:55 <Lucifer_arma> hi bug boy
05:59 <DrJoeTron> i gots to find 70 bucks pronto
05:59 <Your_mom_arma> for?
05:59 <DrJoeTron> friends roomate is selling a mobo with a 2.5ghz P4
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, did you send that machine yet?  and how much am I supposed to paypal you?
06:00 <DrJoeTron> not yet. I finished gathering the parts for the entire thing and I'm trying to figure out how it goes back together
06:00 <DrJoeTron> This case is horrible
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> man, these physics problems are annoying
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> I've done them all before in algebra, trig, and calculus, and I'm just not coming up with the energy to do it again
06:03 <DrJoeTron> sweet somone managed to get autobanned from my server
06:03 <DrJoeTron> the spider keeps catching flies :D
06:04 <Your_mom_arma> spam?
06:06 <DrJoeTron> yeah
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> the wiki autobans 3-6 people every day according to its logs :)
06:08 <DrJoeTron> wow
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> it autobanned jonathan, heh.  Hd to upgrade Bad Behavior so Jonathan could go back to the wiki.
06:09 <DrJoeTron> oh man
06:09 <DrJoeTron> last night
06:09 <DrJoeTron> every possible thing that could go wrong on teamspeak
06:09 <DrJoeTron> happened
06:09 <DrJoeTron> god casper scares the hell out of me
06:10 <DrJoeTron> and and I feel bad kicking him for "you're fucking weird"
06:10 <DrJoeTron> Casper"Hey joe ive never seen what you look like!"
06:10 <DrJoeTron> yeah lets keep it that way
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> you didn't tell hiim you look like his dad?
06:11 <DrJoeTron> he's too creepy
06:11 <DrJoeTron> and he's deaf
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> then what's he doing on teamspeak?
06:11 <DrJoeTron> ever try talking to a deaf guy using a VoiP?
06:11 <DrJoeTron> yeah thats what i fucking said
06:11 <DrJoeTron> i guess he can sort of hear
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, my dad's a bit hard of hearing, but phone's different.
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> when you're plugged into your computer, you have a mixer...
06:12 <DrJoeTron> last time he was on had the sound on max
06:13 <DrJoeTron> i have it set to push to talk for most people to prevent ghosting because usually the people just comming on the server arent very familiar how to use voips
06:13 <DrJoeTron> I've had two instances where I've kicked for not doing it
06:14 <DrJoeTron> one was casper because he was screaming at his dog, everything ghosted and he was smashing the computer.
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> hahahahaha
06:14 <DrJoeTron> keyboard*
06:14 <DrJoeTron> one was optic because he's 12 and also baby talking to his dog
06:14  * Lucifer_arma probably wouldn't set push to talk
06:15 <DrJoeTron> i have it set, dont need to because im on a headset so no ghosting problems.
06:15  * Lucifer_arma probably wouldn't have his mic on anyway
06:15 <DrJoeTron> i have it voice activation on when i need both hands
06:15 <DrJoeTron> and then im stuck breathing through my mouth
06:15 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> no headset for me, just headphones and a fancy mic stand
06:16 <DrJoeTron> haha oh i know ;)
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> but I wouldn't have the mic on anyway, kids are sleeping and stuff.
06:16 <DrJoeTron> GP Cristi was banned for some reason Your_mom_arma 
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> after I get far enough in my drafting class I'm going to take inventory of the wood outside
06:17 <DrJoeTron> it says for flood control and was banned for 5 minutes
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> and design a really nice little hutch that'll let me bolt the boom on so I can put the stand away
06:17 <DrJoeTron> haha cool
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> Cristy being banned isn't a loss, though.  And it's never a bug.
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> *Cristi
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> Cristi: I got autobanned by joe's server
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> Me: That's not a bug, it's a feature.
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> so, I have to do an earth radius (with speed) problem or a hair-growing problem, and I'm not interested in either of them :/
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> will my teacher kill me if I just do different problems than he assigned?
06:21 <GodTodd> do the hair-growing problem....the answer is rogaine
06:21 <Lucifer_arma> "How long will it be until his next trip to the barber shop?"  Rogaine.
06:22 <Lucifer_arma> actually it's not either/or, I have to do both of them.  I'm doing the earth radius problem and hating it.
06:22 <GodTodd> well...if the hair is growing...then it's not really a problem, is it? :P
06:22 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma if you wanna meet a fun T, D member nows your chance in my server! :D
06:22 <DrJoeTron> hurry or il ban him :/
06:23 <GodTodd> i really should be doing the third section of trig homework :/
06:23 <Lucifer_arma> #g 10m/minute in m/s
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> #g 10/60
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> is armabot not here?
06:24 <GodTodd> nope
06:24 <Lucifer_arma> man
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> I refuse to convert m/min to m/s
06:25 <GodTodd> you need to fix that attitude, mister ;)
06:25 <GodTodd> heh
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> I hve to throw off digits if I do the conversion, I don't have to if I don't
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> therefore, even with sigfigs, my answer is more accurate
06:27 <DrJoeTron> Luke-Jr still wanna harp on that kid to get your money?
06:27 <DrJoeTron> cause i have his ip
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> what's annoying is that they want average velocity of a person at the equator, and I want to answer in angular velocity but they want it in linear velocity
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> (because the answer is 2pi/day in angular velocity, heh)
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> :1
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> er, sorry
06:30 <GodTodd> heh
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> ack, wait a minute.  I need average velocity and average speed
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> arg!
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> this really fucking hurts.  So, the kid starts with 1.5 cm hair
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> it grows at the rate of 2.0cm/month
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> how long before he has to cut it again if he wants to cut it at 3.5 cm?
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> ONE MONTH
06:41 <GodTodd> hahaha
06:41  * Lucifer_arma is annoyed now
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> better make sure to answer "1.0 months" and see if I can annoy my teacher
06:41 <GodTodd> convert it to seconds :)
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> nah, then I have to ask how long a month is
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> I could do 1/12 year though
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> I should have said fuck it and signed up for the engineering physics class :/
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> too late now, though
06:43 <GodTodd> yep
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> and there's supposed to be good stuff ahead still
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> we're still in the "learning how to learn physics" part of the class, which should wrap up this week (I hope)
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> word to the wise: if you're going to take algebra-based physics, take it now while you're in trig, or next semester
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> because after you hit calc, it's going to feel genuinely insulting for a little bit
06:44 <GodTodd> well...too late now...maybe next semester tho
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> you might see if they care that much.  I've been talking to a couple of guys in engineering physics that say they could've skipped algebra-based physics
06:45 <GodTodd> heh...i had to borrow a calculator from my father in law
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> to satisfy the "no graphing calculator" requirement?
06:46 <GodTodd> cuz my ti-92 is too advanced for the trig tests
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that one might be too advanced for calc too
06:46 <GodTodd> nah...they require graphing...just no algebraic abilities
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> they want a graphing calculator for trig?  wtf?
06:46 <GodTodd> yep
06:46 <GodTodd> it's in the syllabus
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> in calc 1 they required a graphing calculator for us, but before that it ws "no graphing calculators allowed!"
06:47 <GodTodd> the book even has problems saying "on your graphing calculator" blah blah blah
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I hate those
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> I can rtfm thankyouverymuch
06:48 <GodTodd> i refused to do the finding various points on a circle...it was just how to read the fucking thing
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> ?  but a circle isn't a function...
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> what really irritates me is that nobody let me use my pda as my calculator
06:49 <GodTodd> heh
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> so are you going to do polar coordinates in trig?  ;)
06:49 <GodTodd> i think so
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> we touched on it at the end, mostly focused on what the polar system looks like and how to convert between it and cartesian
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> today in my calc 3 class a lot of kids got lost when my teacher "reviewed" polar coordinates
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> I feel like I know something the rest of my class doesn't know, and I suspect a lot of kids will soon be dropping
06:51 <GodTodd> yeah...that's probably what we'll do...we cover them the last two weeks before the final
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> parametric equations too?
06:53 <GodTodd> heh...last week my c++ class was standing room only and this week there were 5-10 empty seats ;)
06:53 <GodTodd> last chapter is complex numbers and polar coordinates
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06:55 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: eh, sure
06:55 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: more interested in annoying him than getting the money, honestly =p
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> I'm expecting my calc class to thin a bit, but I'm not expecting any of my other classes to thin at all
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> I've got US Gov, drafting, and physics.  I suppose the physics class *might* thin some, but I don't see it
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> not if those kids have their math, anyway
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> who drops a government class?
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> and then all the coursework for the drafting class is done in-class under the teacher's supervision, you'd have to really screw up to have to drop that class
07:14 <GodTodd> heh
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, chapter 3 has vectors in it, that means teh class is looking up now :)
07:14 <GodTodd> wtf doesn't this book simplify the fucking radical ever?
07:14 <GodTodd> it's annoying as hell
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> what radical isn't it simplifying?
07:14 <GodTodd> the one in the denominator
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> it's not rationalizing the denominator?  ;)
07:15 <GodTodd> yep
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, it's better not to when you're dealing with the special angles
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> you know, sin pi/4 = 1/csc pi/4 = sqrt(2)/2
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> so csc pi/4 = 2/sqrt(2)
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> not that I memorized 'em that way, I memorized them with rationalized denominators :)
07:17 <GodTodd> luckily i'm a fart smeller that knows that (2*sqrt(3))/3 == 2/sqrt(3)
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, my trig book rationalized denominators.  Maybe it's just that one section and they'll go back to anal retentiveness next section
07:18 <GodTodd> hahaha
07:18 <GodTodd> maybe
07:18 <GodTodd> my teacher wants them rationalized so that's how i'm doing them
07:18 <GodTodd> :)
07:19 <GodTodd> right now i'm in the challenging 'six trig functions' section
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> man, trig gets really fun after the boring shit in the beginning
07:20 <GodTodd> tho...i do have a question...cot is the inverse of tan right?
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> nope
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> reciprocal
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> don't get those two mixed up!
07:20 <GodTodd> that's what i meant
07:20 <GodTodd> heh
07:20 <GodTodd> i know
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> well, what you said was cot(tan(x)) = x :)
07:20 <GodTodd> anyway...if that's so...why is cos NOT the reciprocal of sin?
07:21 <GodTodd> yeah...we'll hit inverses :)
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> the relationship of a cofunction isn't a reciprocal relationship
07:21 <GodTodd> and if you say some geometry proof i'll hit you :)
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> well, ahem
07:21 <GodTodd> *thwap*
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> sin(x) = cos(90-x)
07:22 <GodTodd> *thwap*
07:22  * Lucifer_arma smiles :)
07:22  * GodTodd HATED geometry. :/
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> at least I gave it to you in degrees
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> didn't you have Mr. Barry for geometry?
07:22 <GodTodd> nope
07:22 <GodTodd> mrs. reyes
07:23 <GodTodd> algebra and geometry
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> oh.  never had her for a class
07:24 <GodTodd> maybe i would have liked geometry better with a better teacher...dunno
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> hard to say, geometry's a sucky class anyway
07:24 <GodTodd> true
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> you don't have enough math to do anything cool, but you're bombarded with weird problems
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> trig is much better, you'll do lots of cool shit there :)
07:24 <GodTodd> i hope so....this is essentially the third time i'm taking it
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> and it's so damn useful, too.  you go back to trig in every class after that
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> it's like a bucket of water thrown on you to cool you down in the middle of the semester
07:26 <Lucifer_arma> refreshing :)
07:26 <GodTodd> yeah...i can see trig being useful
07:27 <GodTodd> all i remember about geometry is drawing a bunch of shapes and reproving shit that i wasn't questioning :/
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> proofs are over for now.  You'll probably still derive shit, but not like geometry proofs
07:27 <GodTodd> good...then i should coast :)
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> and you'll do identities more than likely, you need those for calculus when you have to do trig substitution
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> it's a completely worthless thing, these trig identities, but the skill you're building is very useful
07:28 <GodTodd> at least algebra and trig are used
07:28 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I liked my trig class a lot because there was a lot of visualization
07:28 <GodTodd> geometry is the red headed stepchild
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> the first step for nearly every problem is "draw a picture" :)
07:29 <GodTodd> yeah...i've noticed that
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, geometry is a base
07:29 <GodTodd> i like that
07:29 <Lucifer_arma> we did some applications in calc 2 that used a lot of trig that were the same way, 1. Draw a picture :)
07:29 <hiab> geometry is where you lear proofs
07:29 <hiab> and proofs are the most important part of math
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> only if you're going to study more math ;)
07:30 <hiab> only if you care about beauty :D
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> if you're just taking math so you can go use it out in the Real World, who needs a stinkin' proof?
07:30 <GodTodd> exactly
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> I don't need to prove why my ratchet works before I unbolt your CD player
07:30 <GodTodd> i'll take the word of those math geeks from hundreds of years ago
07:31 <hiab> why are you stealing my cd player
07:31 <hiab> :(
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> ah, you need a proof, sorry
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> big daddy don't do proofs
07:31 <GodTodd> although....if people had to prove how a computer worked before using it....the internet would be a LOT more intelligent ;)
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> and empty
07:32 <GodTodd> true
07:32 <hiab> if people had to know how a car worked before driving
07:32 <hiab> that woudl be cool
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I'll take some basic understanding of motion over knowing shit about how a car works
07:32 <GodTodd> laws of motion?
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> an example in my physics book is "the blazer stops at 7.2m/s, and the celica at 9.8, what's the safe distance for the blazer to follow the celica?"  That's what I'm talking about
07:33 <GodTodd> #g 6400+3600
07:33 <hiab> obv as close as possible
07:33  * Lucifer_arma drives a celica
07:33 <GodTodd> armabot: 10,000
07:33 <GodTodd> k
07:33 <hiab> is there a big triangle somewhere
07:33 <GodTodd> bermuda
07:34 <hiab> i don't think bermuda is a right triangle
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> you didn't specify right triangle
07:34 <hiab> well he added two squares and got a third :o
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> who needs a right triangle?
07:34 <hiab> i assumed
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> oh, heh
07:34 <GodTodd> it is tho
07:34 <GodTodd> heh
07:35 <GodTodd> (60,80) on the terminal side of the angle
07:35 <GodTodd> have to find the trig functions
07:35 <GodTodd> boring
07:35 <GodTodd> so far
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that part is pretty boring
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> and tedious
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> boring and tedious
07:36 <GodTodd> yep :/
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> but after you wade through it, man oh man.  I felt sorry for the kids that found that part too boring and tedious,
07:36 <hiab> sin(x)^2 + cos(x)^2 = 1,000,000
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> then later on they couldn't find sin and cos in a triangle
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> you're gonna need units to justify that statement, bugboy
07:37 <hiab> 1,000,000 micro-ones
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07:40 <Lucifer_arma> hi pig
07:40 <groundpig> Hi
07:40 <Your_mom_arma> hi
07:41 <GodTodd> hi
07:41 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: i had an idea for a more optimized CTF map, but then i got distracted
07:41 <groundpig> so i got nothing
07:41 <Your_mom_arma> haha
07:42 <Lucifer_arma> "Oh, hey, I can do a better CTF map....look, a shiny thing"
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07:42 <groundpig> but i did just go and port all of the CTF / StyBall, etc... code together so I could actually post a patch
07:42 <Your_mom_arma> you kept talking about recessed spawn points thats all i remember
07:42 <groundpig> Lucifer_arma: hehe, pigs have a short attention span
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> not the flying kind :)
07:43 <groundpig> yes yes, recessed spawn points are the ticket, if only i could remember why
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> are you supposed to take the flag back to your spawn point?
07:44 <groundpig> back to your base
07:44 <groundpig> each team has a base and a flag
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> hey, you should modify your hack so that anybody named Jesus can't respawn for 3 days
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07:45 <groundpig> i'm not religious, so I won't hold it against him
07:45 <Your_mom_arma> hi
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> hi joda_bot 
07:46 <joda_bot> lol
07:46 <joda_bot> good night (for you?)
07:46 <joda_bot> it's 7:47 am here
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> I"ll let you know after kdm is finished building and I can load a gui
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> you're in GMT+1, right?
07:46 <joda_bot> gmt+2 right now
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> so it's midnight:47 here
07:46 <joda_bot> summer time
07:47 <Your_mom_arma> im still not sure what you wanted changed groundpig
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> I'm in GMT-5 right now
07:47 <joda_bot> ah, hi groundpig
07:47 <groundpig> hi
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> you guys are making too much noise, I'm gonna go read my physics book outside
07:47 <Your_mom_arma> who left the front door open
07:48 <joda_bot> a long time ago, you told me to have a look at one topic of yours on the forum, guess it was about the soccer style 
07:48 <Your_mom_arma> zall the tron riff raff is getting in
07:48 <groundpig> i was just thinking about making the spawn point back further, but then i lost interest
07:48 <joda_bot> I've never been able to find it, but I haven't searched the forums throughly
07:48 <groundpig> hey the soccer style
07:48 <groundpig> StyBall
07:49 <joda_bot> Where does the Sty come from ?
07:49 <groundpig> funny you should mention, i just took down CTF and put up StyBall about 20 minutes ago
07:49 <Your_mom_arma> pigsty
07:49 <joda_bot> hehe
07:49 <groundpig> people keep logging in and saying bad things to me about it
07:50 <DrJoeTron> SWEET!
07:51 <DrJoeTron> the community fears change groundpig 
07:51 <joda_bot> groundpig: did you submit any patches of the code - I wouldn't mind having your versions atleast in a branch of the armagetronad repository
07:51 <joda_bot> groundpig: hehe, yeah because they liked fortress best
07:51 <joda_bot> ehhh, CTF ;)
07:51 <groundpig> thats what i've been doing the past couple of days, getting an acceptable patch ready to post
07:51 <joda_bot> cool
07:51 <joda_bot> That will be against which branch ?
07:51 <joda_bot> or version ?
07:58  * joda_bot thinks USA fell asleep ;) good night
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08:06 <Your_mom_arma> they all just went in pigs server
08:13 <groundpig> joda_bot: patch will be against branch from svn
08:13 <groundpig> gotta sleep, cyas
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08:13 <spidey> what time is it o.o
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08:27 <DrJoeTron> see ya guys
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08:29 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be in pig's server if I had a gui right now
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> aww man, I missed the commiserating over how the community hates any/all change
08:31 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: You've got my condolence
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: thanks
08:31  * Lucifer_arma is considering going to sleep himself, have to be up at 9am to catch the bus
08:32 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: they just love to have a good server of for each game mode, constantly and without quirks (makes sense to me ;))
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> but I want to boot into a gui first
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I know that's what they want, but to get that, everybody needs to run his own server
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> seriously
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> because folks that run servers like to make changes every now and then, especially developers testing shit
08:33 <joda_bot> I guess I'm going to host an access point ;) http://en.fon.com/info/whats_fon.php
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'll try to remember that when I get a gui back
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> fucking expat changed its name, so now I have to recompile everything
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> I'm starting to feel more burned by gentoo than helped :(
08:34 <joda_bot> oh right, sorry, ... but you can read it with links links2 or lynx;)
08:34 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma:  been there ;)
08:35 <joda_bot> i like some features of gentoo which should be available on any OS but some are just too much work, e.g. merging configfiles by hand, recompiling so much code ;)
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> well, the recompiling is automated, and the merging config files by hand isn't that bad really
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> there's a nice tool that shows you diffs and you can elect to merge the diff or not
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> what's really irritating me is that updating isn't as simple as "run the updater, reboot"
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> they say it is.  Everyone here that uses gentoo has said it is, and it says so in the gentoo docs
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> but that's not reality
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> I ran a simple update, and now I have to recompile 264 packages before I can get a gui, possibly
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> I tried just recompiling kdm and switching my display manager over to kdm, but that was still 27 packages and it's still running
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> had I shown up to my government class today, I'd have been screwed
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> I was about to go order me a nokia 770 after I tried talking it over with my wife and she kept changing the subject, so I can use it as a backup note-taker
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> I'd have needed it today, heh
08:40 <joda_bot> eh, what about the nokia and the goverment class, I don't really get the issue there
08:40 <joda_bot> Why would you have been screwed ?
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> ah, heh, this is kinda dumb.  I ran the update last night, right?  but didn't reboot
08:40 <joda_bot> and the nokia stuff is unrealted ?
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> sorta
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> see, I'm looking for a new note-taker for that class and other lecture classes like it where I use a keyboard for my note-taking
08:41 <joda_bot> ah so, you could use it for goverment class but failed to use it afterwards ?
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> the nokia 770 is the prime candidate
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> no, well, see, I don't have one yet.
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> this morning I didn't go to my government class, so I didn't reboot my laptop until I got home from my calc class
08:42 <joda_bot> ah, ok so you switched topics after "it's still running" ... got it now
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> at which time I found it ws broken.  Had I gone to my government class, the computer would have been broken and I'd have had no backup
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> so I'm looking at a nokia 770 for note-taking.  I'd need a keyboard for it still, but I might be able to use it for math classes too since it's a real tablet
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> I need to see one in person, I think
08:44 <joda_bot> I got a 2kg notebook and up to now, I'm quite happy 
08:44 <joda_bot> especially since it has a geforce 7400 so, I've got some graphics power too
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> this thing's about 7 lbs
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> too bad armabot's not here, I'd try to convert that, heh
08:44 <joda_bot> (which I need for university cg programming not for arma *hehe*)
08:44 <joda_bot> 4lbs is my
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> the computer by itself isn't bad, it's when I stick it in the backback with the calc and physics textbooks
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> those are substantial textbooks!
08:45 <joda_bot> 2.0 kilograms = 4.40924524 pounds
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> aha
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> the tablet pcs I looked at generally came in around 3lbs, which is less than a kg for you
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> but they're freaking expensive
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd gladly trade my notebook for one :)
08:46 <joda_bot> well, it's quite robust, but I've got some DIN A4 (about US Letter) sized Stuff inside my backpack + the notebook without any problems
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> everything fits, I bought a backpack designed to take a notebook computer in it
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> it's just heavy
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> probably comes in somewheres around 25 lbs
08:47 <joda_bot> ugh
08:47 <Lucifer_arma> which is quite a bit of weight to carry around campus
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08:47 <joda_bot> I really did ponder my decision for a long time and did extensive research, but now I'm really happy ;)
08:48 <joda_bot> It's a ASUS W7J btw.
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> I wish I'd have done my research and bought a tablet pc at the outset
08:48 <joda_bot> I'm not sure, I'd be using any of the tablet features
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I stumbled across an asus of some sort last night
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, most of the tablets have keyboards attached, they're basically laptops with touch-screens
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> where you can fold the screen over the keyboard
08:48 <joda_bot> perhaps you can rent a tablet to test it for a day
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> there are a few at the low end that lack keyboards completely
08:49 <joda_bot> just to see if it makes sense
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> just on weight the damn things are worth it.
08:49 <joda_bot> Is it possible to order them in the US and return them in the first two weeks ?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but it's a pain.  Better to just commit myself to one and if I don't like it, stick it on ebay
08:49 <joda_bot> Ah, you're talking about the UMPCs ?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> I can still recover around 80% of the price of this laptop if I sell it
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> UMPC?
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> the real problem is I'd have to front $1000 USD to get one, and I might get $600 for this notebook, but that's not a guarantee
08:51  * guru3_ points to his 770
08:51 <joda_bot> ultra mobile pc, there is some MS / Intel based standard going on
08:51 <joda_bot> something like that
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> guru3_: how's that 770 working out for you?  you using it for note-taking?
08:51 <guru3_> im not in an environment that i need to take notes yet
08:52 <guru3_> but you could
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok.  how big is the screen?  :)
08:52 <guru3_> 800x480
08:52 <guru3_> about like... 4 or 5 inches
08:52 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen measurements and tried visualizing it, but it's not terribly helpful
08:52 <guru3_> the whole device
08:52 <guru3_> is the size of my hand
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> does it have handwriting recognition?  Of course, for real note-taking I'd want a keyboard still
08:53 <guru3_> yes
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> philippe linked me a very nice bluetooth infrared/laser keyboard :)
08:53 <guru3_> that would work with it too
08:53 <joda_bot> O.o bluetooth infrared/laser keyboard ?
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's really neat
08:54  * joda_bot just imagines the combinataion
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> the laser is used to project the keyboard onto a flat surface
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> the infrared is used to detect keypresses
08:54 <joda_bot> oh lol
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> on that flat surface.  So the device itself is the size of a cigarette lighter
08:54 <guru3_> ive seen that too
08:54 <guru3_> tried using it sort of in a shop once
08:54 <joda_bot> just thought of a optical keyboard like a mouse but your descriptions makes it useful
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> at $200 I'd have to see it in person before I bought it
08:55 <joda_bot> have you read anything about problems ppl have using it ?
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> no, couldn't find much on it besides what the company itself said about it :/
08:55 <joda_bot> because from what I've read many ppl in the computer industry tend to stay away from such gadgets for notetaking and just use a phone to call and a small notebook to type ;)
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, I am trying to push the fold a bit
08:56 <guru3_> despite that i'm all techy
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> I checked out xournal, and it looks like a program that would make it possible for me to take my math notes on a tablet
08:56 <guru3_> i still use pencil & paper for notes
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> well, I can type faster than most people can talk, so it's ideal for a lot of note-taking for me to type
08:57 <guru3_> i cant :S
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> the only problem is when the teacher talks slow and screws up his sentences so I have to think about how to write it
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd have to do that anyway, so it's not a problem specific to typing notes
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> so this 4-5 inches on the screen, is that horizontal, vertical, or diagonal?
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09:01 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, I'm halfway considering replacing my clie with an older model that uses regular alkaline batteries and a keyboard
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> because 8 hours of battery life is more important to me right now than a fancy screen
09:03 <guru3_> g2g
09:03 <guru3_> l8r
09:03 <joda_bot> clie ?
09:04 <joda_bot> cu guru3_
09:04 <Lucifer_arma> I have an older sony clie pda that's having some trouble charging off and on
09:06 <Lucifer_arma> so when it charges I'm all happy with it, and when it doesn't I'm looking to replace it
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09:20 <DrJoeTron> i need inspiration
09:21 <DrJoeTron> i need to make a new avatar for the tron boards
09:21 <DrJoeTron> i wanna make one equally as retarded as the first one  i made
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> why don't you try to make one even more retarded than that one?
09:22 <DrJoeTron> because i cant!
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> sure you can
09:22 <Lucifer_arma> can't is a bad word
09:22 <DrJoeTron> im trying to top it
09:22 <DrJoeTron> right now involves dinosaurs wearing sun glasses
09:22 <DrJoeTron> rockin out
09:23 <DrJoeTron> i think i might make another mega man one
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, then drop a big meteor on them, big explosion, then show light cycles driving around
09:23 <DrJoeTron> haha
09:23 <DrJoeTron> Life before tron
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> do one of megaman crashing a hangglider into one of the trade center towers
09:24 <DrJoeTron> no eagle desserves to watch!
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> um, that's a lan address, DrJoeTron 
09:25 <DrJoeTron> it should work
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> um, no, it shouldn't, unless I'm connected to *your* lan
09:25 <DrJoeTron> damn hfs
09:25 <DrJoeTron> alright, time to send it to the other machine
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't have a gui right now
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> can't look at it anyway
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> who was megaman's bad guy?
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> do megaman as a suicide bomber on his evil adversary
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> heh, do mario suicide bombing donkey kong :)
09:26 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
09:26 <DrJoeTron> now im pissed offbecause hfs doesnt work
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> hfs?
09:27 <DrJoeTron> http file server
09:29  * Lucifer_arma is pissed because expat changed its name ondisk and broke everything
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09:44 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I cheated and now I have a gui again
09:47 <DrJoeTron> fixed!
09:50 <DrJoeTron> maybe this should be it
09:51 <DrJoeTron>  bbl
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09:57 <joda_bo1> @lucifer changed the order of emerges ?
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> nah, symbolic link to the expat library that's there under the new name
09:58 <joda_bo1> @ DrJoeTron: the link is broken
10:05 <wrtlprnft> #morning
10:06 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *mom* It's no problem on the render side, but we need to sort out how and where to store these files first :(
10:07 <wrtlprnft> err
10:07 <wrtlprnft> where's armabot?
10:09 -!- joda_bot [n=anonymou@dhcp-75-44.uni-paderborn.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
10:16 <wrtlprnft> looks like my server's power supply is too weak :(
10:19 <wrtlprnft> there we go
10:19 <wrtlprnft> taking out the unused sound card and unplugging a CD drive helped
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10:23 <wrtlprnft> #morning armabot 
10:23 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune: "Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and good || with ketchup."
10:23 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *mom* It's no problem on the render side, but we need to sort out how and where to store these files first :(
10:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:39 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *joda* the new videos are uploaded now…
10:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:41 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
12:09 <spidey> before tonight
12:09 <spidey> my room was a fire hazzard
12:09 <spidey> now, it's a organized fire hazzard
12:29 <spidey> #ping
12:29 <armabot> pong
12:29 <spidey> hmm
12:41 <wrtlprnft> ?
12:44 <spidey> esd seeing what my delay was
12:44 <spidey> not bad, but my connection is still sucking
12:44 <spidey> #ping
12:44 <armabot> pong
12:44 <spidey> about 5-6 seconds
12:45 <wrtlprnft> 12:45 CTCP PING reply from spidey: 0.495 seconds
12:45 <spidey> nah
12:45 <wrtlprnft> don't trust armabot's pings for tinḿing
12:45 <wrtlprnft> *timing
12:45 <spidey> heh
12:45 <spidey> i don't think that's the realy time
12:45 <wrtlprnft> supybot is slooooow
12:45 <spidey> i edited my ctcp replies
12:45 <wrtlprnft> your problem.
12:46 <spidey> paypal is taking forever and a day to load
12:46 <spidey> -_-
12:47 <spidey> i think i'ma put busybox on my router
12:47 <spidey> maybe
12:53 <wrtlprnft> fuck
12:53 <spidey> ?
12:53 <wrtlprnft> server went down again
12:53 <wrtlprnft> #ping
12:53 <wrtlprnft> #ping
12:53 <wrtlprnft> #ping
12:53 <spidey> O.o
12:54 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: read the message
12:55 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: which one?
12:55 <wrtlprnft> armabot's dead right noe
12:55 <wrtlprnft> *now
12:56 -!- joda_bo1 is now known as joda_bot
12:56 <joda_bot> asdf
12:56 <wrtlprnft> it went down together with my server when I switched on my desktop fan :(
12:56 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: the one about the videos
12:56 <joda_bot> #notices
12:56 <joda_bot> #notes
12:56 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: armabot's dead
12:56 <wrtlprnft> 10:49 <armabot> Sent 8 hours and 40 minutes ago: <joda_bot> tested with DIVX and XVID, as DIVX seems to be more common (your_man, drjoetron and me poll) change use --fourcc DIVX
12:56 <wrtlprnft> that one
12:56 <wrtlprnft> ?
12:57 <joda_bot> AH ... my condolence (or whatever the word ist ;))
12:57 <wrtlprnft> about your_man?
12:57 <joda_bot> the one you send just now
12:57 <joda_bot>  #later tell *joda* the new videos are uploaded now…
12:57 <wrtlprnft> aaaaaah
12:57 <joda_bot> :-)
12:58 <wrtlprnft> i understood “read the message” as “there's a message you should read”
12:58 <wrtlprnft> not “I've read the message you sent”
12:58 <joda_bot> so I'm perhaps hosting a fon router, but I'll have to check if it's ok, for the foneros to be send through the tor network ;)
12:58 <joda_bot> that way my ip won't be responsible for most of the troubles the hackery fon users cause
12:59 <joda_bot> image a fon network and each client automatically hosts a onion router for the tor network 
12:59 <joda_bot> that might really generate some serious anonymity ;)
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12:59 <joda_bot> ok bbl
12:59 <wrtlprnft> o_O
12:59 <wrtlprnft> cya
13:00 <wrtlprnft> looks like I'll need a new power supply pretty soon too :(
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13:41 <spidey> MaZuffeR, MaZuffeR MaZuffeR MaZuffeR MaZuffeR 
13:42 <MaZuffeR> ...
13:43 <joda_bot> spidey ...
13:43 <joda_bot> ;)
13:43 <spidey> yes ma'am? :p
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14:35 <wrtlprnft> #ping
14:35 <armabot> pong
14:35 <wrtlprnft> good, still there…
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14:43 <spidey> argh
14:43 <spidey> i gotta move a air conditioner today
14:43 <spidey> a big one :(
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15:27 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6166 /private/wrtlprnft/armaspyadvanced/armaspyadvanced.py: Closing the main window now only hides it instead of exiting the entire program.
15:54 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-245-15.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
15:54 <madmax|pt> hello
15:55 <MaZuffeR> hi
15:56 <wrtlprnft> hi
15:58 <spidey> hi
16:02 <spidey> #last --from --nolimit --with spidey
16:02 <armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1106 messages.
16:02 <spidey> worth a shot :D
16:02 <wrtlprnft> #last --nolimit --with spidey
16:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [18:33:58] <spidey> #last --from --nolimit --with spidey and [16:14:47] <joda_bot> spidey ...
16:02 <spidey> o.o
16:03 <wrtlprnft> spidey: it searched for messages from a user named “--nolimit”
16:03 <spidey> ah
16:03 <spidey> i want my shitty internet back :(
16:03 <spidey> i'm currently on a level beyond shitty -_
16:03 <spidey> -_-
16:04 <spidey> and i can't get dsl now
16:04 <spidey> the whole house is on VoIP :/
16:06 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: meano, disabled ctcp version :P
16:06 <spidey> lol
16:09 <madmax|pt> lol
16:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: mind removing that navigation extension that doesn't work again? It creates quite a mess in the generated HTML and can't be used in its current state...
16:21 <spidey> may i ask why there's 4 servers on the master list? :p
16:27 <madmax|pt> the so called american "football" has home and away games?
16:28 <spidey> yes...
16:28 <madmax|pt> just wondering :P
16:29 <spidey> lol
16:29 <spidey> i need a lighter
16:29 <MaZuffeR> speaking of football, Portugal will lose against Finland today :p
16:30 <spidey> lol
16:31 <madmax|pt> No it won't!
16:32 <spidey> i don't watch football, but just cause max is for portugal, i bet on finland :D
16:32 <madmax|pt> Ok, maybe, they didnt do a very decent game on the friendly against Denmark
16:32 <madmax|pt> which they lost 4-2 ...
16:32 <MaZuffeR> Finland played great away against Poland
16:33 <madmax|pt> in fact, im not very confident
16:33  * madmax|pt pokes spidey 
16:33  * spidey pile drives madmax|pt 
16:33 <madmax|pt> ooh
16:33 <spidey> :D
16:34 <spidey> madmax|pt, wanna do a test for me?
16:34 <madmax|pt> maybe...
16:35 <spidey> well, i always wondered if sticking your finger in a box fan would hurt....and i need a test dummy
16:35 <madmax|pt> ok no
16:35 <spidey> why not :(
16:36 <madmax|pt> i want to be able to play tron you know?
16:36 <spidey> you'll still have another hand
16:36 <spidey> besides you don't need a ring finger, or pinky finger for tron
16:38 <MaZuffeR> the carrot i'm eating is hollow O_o
16:38 <spidey> ewwwwwwwwwwww carrots
16:40 <MaZuffeR> what ewwwwwwwwwwww about carrots?
16:40 <MaZuffeR> what's*
16:40 <spidey> i don't like them :p
16:40 <spidey> they have no taste and they're a weird crunchy
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16:41 <MaZuffeR> they taste carrot :P
16:41  * spidey pokes Lackadaisical 
16:41 <Lackadaisical> ouch
16:41 <spidey> no, carrots taste like chicken
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16:41  * spidey drop kicks madmax|pt 
16:41 <MaZuffeR> the finnish ones don't
16:41  * madmax|pt definitely needs a phone wire that stays in place
16:42 <spidey> i re did all mine
16:42 <spidey> my isp sucks at it
16:43 <spidey> instead of running to the top floor from the outside, they ran it all the way around the house, drilled a hole in the wall, then ran it upstairs
16:43 <madmax|pt> #last --nolimit
16:43 <armabot> madmax|pt: [19:14:50] <spidey> instead of running to the top floor from the outside, they ran it all the way around the house, drilled a hole in the wall, then ran it upstairs, [19:14:08] <spidey> my isp sucks at it, [19:13:50] <spidey> i re did all mine, [19:13:14] * madmax|pt definitely needs a phone wire that stays in place, [19:13:13] <MaZuffeR> the finnish ones don't, [19:13:06] * spidey drop kicks madmax|pt , (9 more messages)
16:43 <madmax|pt> #more
16:43 <armabot> madmax|pt: [19:12:46] <spidey> no, carrots taste like chicken, [19:12:46] <Lackadaisical> ouch, [19:12:39] * spidey pokes Lackadaisical , [19:12:35] <MaZuffeR> they taste carrot :P, [19:12:19] <spidey> they have no taste and they're a weird crunchy, [19:12:02] <spidey> i don't like them :p, [19:11:56] <MaZuffeR> what's*, [19:11:50] <MaZuffeR> what ewwwwwwwwwwww about carrots?, [19:10:31] <spidey> ewwwwwwwwwwww (8 more messages)
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16:43 <madmax|pt> o_O
16:43 <spidey> lol
16:44 <joda_bot> #ping
16:44 <armabot> pong
16:44 <spidey> pong
16:44 <spidey> #pong
16:44 <spidey> o.o
16:44 <joda_bot> #png
16:44 <joda_bot> #pang
16:44 <madmax|pt> Pang is a nice game
16:45 <madmax|pt> that's what he should say
16:45 <spidey> noooooooooooooo way
16:45  * spidey jumps on madmax|pt 
16:45 <GodTodd> get a room
16:45 <GodTodd> :P
16:45  * spidey hog ties GodTodd  and drags him along
16:45  * joda_bot thinks spidey can't jump high enough to stomp madmax (ala mario vs. lugi :-P)
16:46 <madmax|pt> lol
16:46 <spidey> well, when lugi gets a fire flower he's like super strong
16:46 <spidey> and shoot fireballs
16:46 <spidey> so i still pwn mario
16:46 <spidey> :D
16:48 <madmax|pt> you guys mean luIgi right?
16:48 <spidey> luigi
16:49 <madmax|pt> right
16:49 <spidey> wrong
16:50 <joda_bot> moria and loki ;)
16:51 <spidey> can i be zeus?
16:57 <spidey> i have a strange urge to play donkey kong now
16:58 <joda_bot> not my fault ;)
16:58 <spidey> is to
16:58 <spidey> even though i'ma blame max
17:00 <joda_bot> no, he's not responsible either, I guess... sue nintendo :-P 
17:00 <spidey> maybe
17:00 <spidey> but i want to blame max
17:01 <spidey> so max is now the blame
17:01 <spidey> ;x
17:01 <joda_bot> ok, can I blame min ?
17:01 <spidey> min?
17:01 <joda_bot> and max you should blame average ;)
17:01 <spidey> max doesn't get to blame anyone
17:02 <spidey> unless it's Lackadaisical 
17:02 <madmax|pt> i get to kill spidey in the end though
17:02 <joda_bot> he won't blame anyone because he is wise ;)
17:02 <joda_bot> lol, without regret
17:02 <spidey> joda_bot, no, he won't blame anyone cause he doesn't have a choice :D
17:02 <spidey> madmax|pt, can't kill me, i'm a spider :p
17:02 <joda_bot> eh ?
17:02 <spidey> i'll fly off in a webbed balloon!!
17:02 <joda_bot> mad ppl can do anything;)
17:03 <spidey> including getting sent to a psych word
17:03 <spidey> :D
17:03 <madmax|pt> you're a spider, not spiderman
17:03 -!- spidey is now known as spiderman
17:03 <spiderman> pwn
17:03 <madmax|pt> thats just acting :P
17:03 <spiderman> lies
17:03 -!- spiderman is now known as someone
17:04 -!- someone is now known as someone-else
17:04 <joda_bot> hm, now I'm not sure who is mad here ... 
17:04 <joda_bot> ;)
17:04 <someone-else> elohel
17:04 <someone-else> :p
17:04 <madmax|pt> lol
17:04 <madmax|pt> venom was cool :|
17:05 <someone-else> who?
17:05 -!- You're now known as x_X
17:05 <someone-else> i have candel wax all over my desk
17:05 <madmax|pt> although he was sick
17:05 <madmax|pt> http://www.antaninet.it/marvel-universe/v/venom.jpg
17:05 <someone-else> hmmm
17:05 <someone-else> it won't let me change my name o.o
17:05 -!- someone-else is now known as spidey
17:06 <madmax|pt> why do you want candel wax all over your desk?
17:06 -!- spidey is now known as O_o
17:06 <O_o> that works i guess
17:07 <O_o> yehaw
17:07 <x_X> o_O
17:07 <madmax|pt> lol
17:07 <O_o> X_o
17:07 <O_o> X_x
17:07 <x_X> ÷_×
17:07 <x_X> ¤_¤
17:07 <madmax|pt> ™_™
17:08 <x_X> ¨_¨
17:08 <x_X> √_√
17:08 <O_o> Ó_ó
17:08 <madmax|pt> ©_©
17:09 <O_o> mine's cooler
17:09 <O_o> it has eyebrows
17:09 <O_o> Ó_ó
17:09 <madmax|pt> mine has true eyes
17:09 <madmax|pt> ©_©
17:09 <x_X> ǒ_Ō
17:09 <O_o> ¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦
17:09 <madmax|pt> õ_õ
17:09 <O_o> ¡¡
17:09 <x_X> ȯ_Ǫ
17:10 <guru3> you guys are psychotic
17:10 <x_X> x_X
17:10 <O_o> ?_?
17:10 <O_o> lol
17:10 <madmax|pt> *_*
17:10 <x_X> ő_Ő
17:10 <madmax|pt> hey, thats a version of mine
17:10 <x_X> ð_ø
17:11 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
17:11 <wrtlprnft> before whoever owns the nick x_X ghostkills me
17:11 <O_o> X_x is taken
17:11 <O_o> lol
17:12 <O_o> -NickServ- The nickname [o_O] is already registered
17:12 <O_o> :<
17:12 -!- O_o is now known as spiderman
17:12 <wrtlprnft> 17:12 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-          Registered: 1 year 39 weeks 5 days (17h 1m 47s) ago
17:12 <wrtlprnft> 17:12 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-           Last Seen: 1 year 39 weeks 5 days (16h 27m 29s) ago
17:13 <wrtlprnft> i guess the chances he kicks me are pretty slim
17:13 <spiderman> O.o
17:13 <spiderman> æ_æ
17:13 <wrtlprnft> 17:12 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-            Nickname: x_x
17:13 <wrtlprnft> 17:12 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-          Registered: 1 year 39 weeks 5 days (17h 1m 47s) ago
17:13 <wrtlprnft> 17:12 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-           Last Seen: 1 year 39 weeks 5 days (16h 27m 29s) ago
17:13 <wrtlprnft> ¶_¶
17:14 <wrtlprnft> »_«
17:14 <spiderman> ?_?
17:14 <wrtlprnft> Ω_Ω
17:14 <madmax|pt> π_π
17:14 <wrtlprnft> heh
17:14 <spiderman> ?_?
17:14 <wrtlprnft> i think my keyboard could use a pi key
17:14 <wrtlprnft> ≠≤≥<>=+-÷×√∛±
17:15 <spiderman> ø_ø
17:15 <wrtlprnft> that's what i have right now
17:15 <spiderman> i don't have anything
17:15 <spiderman> i use a char chart
17:15 <spiderman> :p
17:15 <spiderman> «_»
17:15 <madmax|pt> ıo_oı
17:15 <madmax|pt> o_O
17:15 <wrtlprnft> ¹²³_³²¹
17:16 <spiderman> ¼+½-¾*½
17:16 <wrtlprnft> anyways, just need to find a spot to bind it to
17:16 <spiderman> hmm
17:16 <wrtlprnft> ←↓→↑
17:16 <spiderman> #g ¼+½-¾*½
17:16 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:16 <wrtlprnft> lame
17:16 <spiderman> :<
17:16 <wrtlprnft> so, where do i put it?
17:16 <wrtlprnft> p is already taken
17:16 <spiderman> scroll lock
17:17 <wrtlprnft> nah, that's my ctrl key
17:17 <spiderman> ...
17:17 <spiderman> wtf
17:17 <wrtlprnft> oh, i have ∞ too
17:17 <spiderman> tab?
17:18 <spiderman> shift
17:18 <wrtlprnft> spiderman: spiderman spiderman spiderman spiderman spiderman no
17:18 <spiderman> windows logo key?
17:18 <wrtlprnft> i just need to find some char i don't need
17:19 <spiderman> if i was to use your keyboard layout i'd end up smashing it
17:19 <wrtlprnft> ĸĸĸĸĸĸĸĸĸĸĸĸĸ ← what's that key, anyways?
17:19 <spiderman> ?
17:20 <spiderman> gah
17:20 <spiderman> i can't focus
17:20 <wrtlprnft> hah, got one
17:20 <wrtlprnft> m
17:20 <wrtlprnft> it's already got µ
17:20 <spiderman> i increased text size to 11 and it's still fuckin blurry
17:21 <madmax|pt> •
17:21 <madmax|pt> hm
17:22 <spiderman> #night
17:22 <armabot> Good night spiderman!
17:22 <wrtlprnft> ah, bullet sign might be useful too
17:22 <wrtlprnft> good.
17:23 <wrtlprnft> ππ∎∎
17:23 <wrtlprnft> err
17:23 <madmax|pt> spidey's sense is tingling
17:24 <wrtlprnft> that's the wrong bullet
17:24 <madmax|pt> ⁄
17:24 <madmax|pt> o.O
17:24 <wrtlprnft> yeah, you typed another one
17:24 <madmax|pt> •••••••
17:25 <wrtlprnft> ••••
17:25 <wrtlprnft> there we go
17:25 <wrtlprnft> bound to shift-altgr-ä now
17:25 <madmax|pt> ◊
17:25 <wrtlprnft> and pi to shift-altgr-m
17:25 <wrtlprnft> that one's useless
17:25 <wrtlprnft> i only need useful ones
17:25 <madmax|pt> lol
17:25 <wrtlprnft> sure i could copy and paste tons of useless chars from kcharselect
17:25 <madmax|pt> maybe nice for ◊_◊
17:26 <madmax|pt> ok, no
17:26 <madmax|pt> lol
17:26 <wrtlprnft> ⚉_⚉
17:26 <madmax|pt> ooh
17:26 <wrtlprnft> ⚡_⚡
17:26 <wrtlprnft> ☉_☉
17:26 <wrtlprnft> ☢_☢
17:26 <wrtlprnft> ☠_☠
17:26 <madmax|pt> i have '…' :o 
17:27 <wrtlprnft> ☀_☀
17:27 <wrtlprnft> ……………
17:27 <wrtlprnft> bound to altgr-ä
17:27 <madmax|pt> ... …
17:27 <wrtlprnft> i like … more :)
17:27 <wrtlprnft> oh, i have – and —
17:27 <madmax|pt> i like it too
17:27 <wrtlprnft> altgr-- and shift-altgr--
17:27 <madmax|pt> and it's easy, never noticed it
17:28  * wrtlprnft hugs xmodmap
17:28 <wrtlprnft> though you apparently can't map some interesting chars with it
17:28  * madmax|pt hugs powerbook's keyboard layout
17:28 <wrtlprnft> for example the interrobang
17:28 <wrtlprnft> ☯_☯
17:29 <madmax|pt> < ‹
17:29  * wrtlprnft wonders if nemo's gonna publish his mac server browser
17:30 <wrtlprnft> http://generalconsumption.org/tmp/browser.png
17:30 <madmax|pt> ooooh
17:30 <madmax|pt> he is! he is!
17:30 <madmax|pt> thats nice
17:31  * wrtlprnft personally likes his armaspyad more, but it probably won't run on a mac without a lot of modification
17:31 <wrtlprnft> and it's based on a systray icon, which doesn't exist in that form on macos
17:32 <madmax|pt> yeah
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19:03 <wrtlprnft> guru3: can you redirect master3 to another master? My server's acting weird, the server's randomly dying
19:03 <wrtlprnft> and randomly the harddrives don't spin up on start
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19:44 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIUy-Qfm1E my new favorite commercial :D
19:53 <guru3> wrtlprnft: done
19:55 <wrtlprnft> ty
19:56 <wrtlprnft> i hope to get it back up and working around noon tomorrow
19:56 <madmax|pt> hehe nice ad
19:56 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:56 <madmax|pt> Honda has some pretty cool ones
19:56 <wrtlprnft> a, nvm
19:56 <wrtlprnft> didn't see DrJoeTron's link
19:57 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIUy-Qfm1E my new favorite commercial :D
20:08 <DrJoeTron> wow these game pads are tiny
20:08 <DrJoeTron> http://akihabaranews.com/en/en/news-12373-Buffalo+USB+Micro-Pads.html
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21:02 <wrtlprnft> umm, is there any way to finf out on which RAM chip a certain memory address lies?
21:02 <wrtlprnft> besides taking all but one of them out
21:03 <wrtlprnft> memtest complains about a failing address at 00006210f10
21:05 <guru3> does counting up from slot 0 work_
21:05 <guru3> ?
21:05 <wrtlprnft> uh
21:05 <wrtlprnft> they're labelled 1, 2 and 3
21:05 <guru3> ok
21:06 <wrtlprnft> it's 3 addresses now :(
21:06 <wrtlprnft> no, 2, actually
21:06 <guru3> just count up the addresses
21:06 <guru3> each address is x bits or whatever
21:06 <guru3> so i assume address 1 is on slot 1...
21:06 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
21:06 <wrtlprnft> so it would all be on the chip in slot 1?
21:07 <wrtlprnft> if that one has 128MB and all the error addresses are <100M
21:07 <guru3> depends on how much space each address is
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21:08 <wrtlprnft> i'll probably end up just taking the whole box to someone who knows what he's doing tomorrow...
21:08 <wrtlprnft> err, …
21:08 <guru3> ><
21:10 <wrtlprnft> memtest's still at 43%…
21:10 <wrtlprnft> takes forever
21:10 <guru3> :o
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22:15 <wrtlprnft> ok, so it IS my old RAM chip that's failing
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22:41 <Your_mom_arma> did you run memtest wrtlprnft?
22:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:42 <wrtlprnft> that's how i found out
22:42 <wrtlprnft> WOOT!
22:42 <wrtlprnft> it's booting!
22:43 <wrtlprnft> now the question is, for how long will it work
22:44 <wrtlprnft> apparently the two harddrives didn't like each other
22:45 <wrtlprnft> put them on different IDE buses, now they work
22:46 <guru3> looks like the master server i run randomly crashes Oo
22:47 <wrtlprnft> o well, you can redirect it to me for now
22:48 <guru3> ><
22:48 <guru3> it's not tse
22:48 <guru3> *it's not that it crashes
22:48 <guru3> it just... stops running with out any warning
22:49 <wrtlprnft> master's running here, armabot is on her way
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22:49 <wrtlprnft> i'll keep my game servers down for now.
22:49 <guru3> the xml feed you're referring to in the armaspy thread
22:50 <guru3> is that the one i run?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> no
22:50 <guru3> good
22:50 <guru3> i don't care about it not working then :D
22:51 <wrtlprnft> nothing's really using it
22:51 <wrtlprnft> i couldn't as it's invalid sometimes
22:51 <guru3> ah well
22:51 <guru3> oops
22:51 <guru3> nothing's perfect
22:51 <wrtlprnft> and my feed is the only one that contains the max number of players on a server
22:51 <guru3> hrhr
22:51 <wrtlprnft> and it has a DTD and some nice CSS
22:51 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/serverxml.php?stripcolors
22:51 <wrtlprnft> so you can view it in a browser
22:53 <guru3> neato
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23:16 <Lucifer_arma> what's 25% of 600?
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> #g 600*.25
23:16 <armabot> 600 * .25 = 150
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #g 25% of 600
23:16 <Lucifer_arma> so, I get 250 if I cut it down and send it to newsforge.  If LinuxJournal takes it for print, it's $600, but if they only put it on their website, it's $150
23:16 <armabot> 25% of 600 = 150
23:16 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: don't even need to think a bit x_X
23:17 <Lucifer_arma> MY PHYSICS CLASS IS BORING!
23:18 <wrtlprnft> boring in the sense of boring stuff (like optics) or in the sense of waaay too easy?
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> waaaay too easy
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> now, true, we're still doing "review", but we should be done with that now and we're still talking about velocity/speed/acceleration
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> next chapter is vectors, which we were supposed to start today
23:21 <guru3> fun
23:21 <Lucifer_arma> what's really boring is that he goes over every homework problem with us, which I can see being very helpful later on, only because we're doing it now on the easy stuff,
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> so, we spent an hour going oer math that everyone's supposed to know before they sign up for this class, then a 10 minute lecture, then he spent 5 minutes reading our new homework assignment
23:23 <wrtlprnft> what's so exitin about vectors?
23:23 <wrtlprnft> *exciting
23:24 <guru3> it's two pieces of information in one :D
23:24 <wrtlprnft> or more
23:24 <guru3> like... real life objects
23:25 <wrtlprnft> stupid question: what happens if you multiply twodimensional vectors? Do you just multiply the corresponding complex numbers or doesn't it make any sense at all?
23:25 <wrtlprnft> if the first is true: what about threedimensional vectors?
23:25 <guru3> beats me
23:26 <guru3> ask Lucifer_arma once he's been taught'
23:26 <wrtlprnft> heh
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> never gonna learn it at this rate
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> multiplying doesn't make sense, iirc
23:27 <guru3> lol
23:29 <wrtlprnft> well, you CAN multiply coordinates, apparently
23:29 <wrtlprnft> though it only really makes sense if you're using polar coordinates
23:29 <MaZuffeR> you can't multiply vectors
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> you can multiply coordinates, but in a vector if you multiply the coordinates it's the same as changing the force
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> um, assuming that component of the vector represents force.
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: want to install phpBB for your talk page?  heh
23:32 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: x_X
23:32 <wrtlprnft> wikipedia talk pages get MUCH larger
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> that's because nobody ever cleans them
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:33 <wrtlprnft> people do clean them once in a while
23:33  * Lucifer_arma hasn't really noticed, he only reads a talk page if the article makes it look like there's a flame war going on
23:33 <wrtlprnft> infact, tak pages on this wiki are much more messy
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, we're all wiki amateurs
23:33 <wrtlprnft> i do have some experience in the german wikipedia ;)
23:41 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6167 /private/wrtlprnft/armaspyadvanced/armaspyadvanced.py: Hopefully fixed problems with parsing an old config file.

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00:31 <spiderman> Luke-Jr, 
00:31 <spiderman> Warning:  fopen(http://spidey.lightfoot.dashjr.org/players.txt): failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable
00:31 <spiderman>  in /home/acid/public_html/body/phpscripts/player2.php on line 2
00:31 <spiderman> Could not open file players.txt
00:31 <spiderman> Warning:  fgetc(): supplied argument is not a valid stream resource in /home/acid/public_html/body/phpscripts/player2.php on line 6
00:31 <spiderman>  
00:31 <spiderman> server's broke
00:44 <DrJoeTron> fucking blood banks
00:44 <DrJoeTron> some persistant jerk called my 5 times today
00:48 <DrJoeTron> they're like horny 8th grade boys
00:51 <MaZuffeR> you have horny 8th grade boys calling you 5 times a day?
00:54 <armabot> gentoo: wolf31o2 * gentoo-x86/games-action/armagetronad/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
00:54 <wrtlprnft> err
00:54 <wrtlprnft> there's a new gentoo ebuild?
00:56 <wrtlprnft> #last --with wolf3102 --in #commits --nolimit
00:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1240 messages.
00:56 <wrtlprnft> #last --with wolf31o2 --in #commits --nolimit
00:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [03:25:57] <CIA-5> gentoo: wolf31o2 * gentoo-x86/games-action/armagetronad/ (5 files in 2 dirs):, [03:07:41] <CIA-5> gentoo: wolf31o2 * gentoo-x86/games-fps/ut2004/ (ut2004-3369-r4.ebuild ChangeLog):, [03:04:14] <CIA-5> gentoo: wolf31o2 * gentoo-x86/games-arcade/alienwave/ (alienwave-0.3.0.ebuild ChangeLog):, [02:50:17] <CIA-5> gentoo: wolf31o2 * gentoo-x86 (3 more messages)
00:57 <wrtlprnft> #last --with gentoo --in #commits --nolimit
00:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [03:27:30] <CIA-5> gentoo: so * gentoo/xml/htdocs/doc/it/handbook/draft/2006.1/ (6 files): version 7.0, revision 1.1, [03:25:58] <CIA-5> gentoo: (Portage version: 2.1.1_rc1-r1), [03:25:58] <CIA-5> gentoo: Revision bump with a GCC patch and a security patch. Closing bug #142394 and bug #135154., [03:25:57] <CIA-5> gentoo: wolf31o2 * gentoo-x86/games-action/armagetronad/ (5 files in (36 more messages)
01:04 <Your_mom_arma> (19:19:11) Your_mom_arma: wrtlprnft: can you add transperent png support to cockpit files?
01:04 <wrtlprnft> uh, i did reply
01:05 <wrtlprnft> #notes
01:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for $randomnick, *josh*, ghab*, Nickserv, operserv, someone, unknown, z-man, and z-man*.
01:06 <wrtlprnft> 10:23 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *mom* It's no problem on the render side, but we need to sort out how and where to store these files first :(
01:07 <Your_mom_arma> i never got that
01:08 <wrtlprnft> well, armabot took a break in the meantime
01:08 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: it's mostly a designed by luke problem
01:08 <Your_mom_arma> must have gotten lost in bearocracy
01:09 <wrtlprnft> the design is so complicated that noone knows where to start to implement it
01:09 <Your_mom_arma> why not just load it from a folder in resources
01:10 <Your_mom_arma> ... /wrtlprnft/original/backgrnd.png
01:10 <wrtlprnft> ask Luke-Jr 
01:15 <Your_mom_arma> i guess we should just put it into a todo list somewhere until Luke-Jr can get around to working on it with you
01:15  * wrtlprnft isn't excited
01:16 <Your_mom_arma> once you bring Luke-Jr into the picture i just kind of expect it to not happen
01:18 <wrtlprnft> :(
01:18 <wrtlprnft> it wasn't me who summoned him
01:18 <wrtlprnft> anyways
01:18 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:18 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:19 <Your_mom_arma> well if you can do it over looks head i advise that
01:19 <Your_mom_arma> luke's even
01:19 <hiab> wrtl
01:20 <wrtlprnft> yeah
01:20 <hiab> i had an idea for a name
01:20 <hiab> abominable snowmen?
01:20 <hiab> dunno just thought of it earlier
01:20 <Your_mom_arma> haha
01:20 <Your_mom_arma> i like it
01:20 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: you're gonna play in the ladle?
01:20 <Your_mom_arma> im thinking about it
01:20 <wrtlprnft> :)
01:21 <wrtlprnft> hiab: i'll think about it tomorrow, to tired right now
01:21 <hiab> ok
01:21 <hiab> night
01:21 <wrtlprnft> 1:24AM
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> I caught my kids playing with the ladle
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter was whacking the middle kid with it
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> oh wait, wrong kind of ladle
02:04  * Lucifer_arma notes the wiki has a pretty good spec on how we'll link to external files from within resources
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02:45 <spiderman> Transmit Power Level
02:45 <spiderman> 	 49.25 dBmV
02:45 <spiderman> bah
03:04 <spiderman> DrJoeTron, 
03:13  * spiderman is on the phone with isp
03:13  * spiderman doesn't think they like me anymore >:|
03:13 <spiderman> bitching at them like i do Luke-Jr  :D
03:20 <spiderman> why do they hire tech support that don't know jack shit about computers/networking
03:21 <spiderman> "do you have a router?" "yes" "that's the problem please unplug it" "it's not fucking plugged in" "oh then please reinstall your nic drivers" "bitch send a tech guy out here to run new cables from the road"
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03:56 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: nonsense, general textures themselves can be resources, and we've had a spec for binary data in an XML resource for a while
03:57 <Luke-Jr> spiderman: works for me (players.txt)
04:22 <Lucifer_arma> now you're just making shit up.  We **REJECTED** embedding binary data in an xml resource
04:34 <DrJoeTron> blegh
04:46 <spiderman> Luke-Jr, it might now, but it didn't
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06:08 <groundpig> hi
06:09 <hiab> hi
06:11 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: can i just take any map off the repository and put a local copy in my resources with CTF bases/flags?
06:21 <DrJoeTron> groundpig it was a cry cry whine whine fest when you made the opposite team base kiling rather than spawning the other teams players...if you understood any of that i commend you!
06:22 <groundpig> that was a bug :B)
06:22 <groundpig> was merging StyBall and CTF so i could post the patch and that leaked in from StyBall
06:23 <DrJoeTron> yeah thats what i thought.
06:23 <DrJoeTron> but no
06:23 <DrJoeTron> dis is ghey
06:24 <DrJoeTron> HOOS ADMIN
06:24 <Your_mom_arma> yeah ground
06:24 <hiab> haha
06:24 <groundpig> yeah i've gotten pretty good at ignoring that
06:24 <DrJoeTron> does that mean i can go balls out on your server? :D! ;D
06:24 <hiab> eww
06:24 <groundpig> depending on what you mean by that, i guess so
06:24 <DrJoeTron> ive been very light
06:24 <DrJoeTron> like simple warnings
06:25 <Your_mom_arma> i actually had a problem with that both teams killed themselves in thier own zone so neither team could get the others flag
06:25 <DrJoeTron> "hey buddy dont do that please.:
06:25 <groundpig> ah, whatever you like joe, i'm not watching
06:25 <DrJoeTron> "D
06:25 <hiab> XD
06:25 <groundpig> mom, was that only when the bases killed enemies?
06:25 <DrJoeTron> nah i'll keep behaving
06:26 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
06:26 <Your_mom_arma> blue team takes gold flag and dies in its base
06:26 <DrJoeTron> yeah i did that
06:26 <hiab> haha
06:26 <groundpig> hehe, you must have been talented to make that bug happen
06:26 <DrJoeTron> it was great
06:26 <groundpig> well it should be fixed now
06:26 <DrJoeTron> cause blue couldnt get their lousy flag back
06:27 <hiab> is the bug fixed?
06:27 <Your_mom_arma> which map where you thinking of using groundpig?
06:27 <groundpig> i was going to look for one on the repo
06:28 <groundpig> we just had the puckmap up again with shooting on, and we talked about using that one for ctf
06:28 <groundpig> but there isn't a lot of room for bases
06:28 <groundpig> just posted the patch
06:31 <DrJoeTron> man people sure are dicks when they dont know its me
06:32 <Your_mom_arma> imagine playing as player 1
06:33 <groundpig> which i've noticed someone doing
06:33 <Your_mom_arma> who could that be
06:33  * Your_mom_arma whistles
06:33 <groundpig> i think its the real player 1
06:33 <Your_mom_arma> could be
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06:34 <Your_mom_arma> hey
06:35 <manta> good-evening
06:41 <DrJoeTron> man 4 days of continuous up time for the server, huzzah! :D
06:42 <DrJoeTron> one day i need to pry off all of these keys off the keybaord and soak them in an acid bath
06:43 <Your_mom_arma> that dirty?
06:44 <groundpig> i have one of those backlit keyboards where the letters glow blue
06:44 <groundpig> the paint on my X key is almost completely gone, its blinding
06:44 <groundpig> i must turn left a lot
06:45 <Your_mom_arma> i need one of those backlit keyboards(I hunt and peck) although it wont stop all the typos and misspellings
06:50 <Your_mom_arma> kick the td guy so i can play :(
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07:09 <hiab> ou guys are meanies :D
07:09 <hiab> you
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07:35 <spiderman> http://www.freenas.org/
07:35 <spiderman> that's going on my server when i get it back
07:39 <DrJoeTron> timed out
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07:54 <DrJoeTron> man
07:54 <DrJoeTron> im glad im the mod there
07:54 <DrJoeTron> cause i hate most of them
07:55 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma that was great btw
07:57 <Your_mom_arma> hehe
07:59 <DrJoeTron> now im kind of up for some normal arma
08:00 <Your_mom_arma> spiderman: check out the support page 
08:00 <Your_mom_arma> read the user manual (okay) 404'd
08:01 <spiderman> ya
09:02 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma save me for the love of god!
09:04 <guru3> ?
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09:18 <Your_mom_arma> guess what
09:27 <guru3> what
09:30 <Your_mom_arma> chicken butt
09:30  * DrJoeTron zing!
09:31 <guru3> zong!
09:31 <guru3> the witch is dead :S
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09:52 <CraYSuPeRcOm> hola everyone
09:52 <guru3> hola
09:52 <Your_mom_arma> ahi
09:52 <CraYSuPeRcOm> installing suse for the first time, 
09:52 <CraYSuPeRcOm> little linux expierience
09:53 <CraYSuPeRcOm> very little
09:54 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #news
09:54 <armabot> CraYSuPeRcOm: News for #armagetron: (#4) Armabot now has a message command; (#9) testbug
09:54 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #news 9
09:54 <armabot> CraYSuPeRcOm: bug (Subject: "testbug", added by 3 on 11:14 PM, June 23, 2006)
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10:14 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 9
10:14 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:28 PM, March 29, 2006)
10:16 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: yeah, but the code structuring you guys want for that is too complicated for me
10:22 <spiderman> BUZZ!
10:22 <wrtlprnft> meh, and i just woke up
10:22 <wrtlprnft> and you already ruined my day
10:22 <spiderman> good
10:22 <spiderman> cause my day's ruined to
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10:30 <wrtlprnft> your day's ruined?
10:30 <wrtlprnft> you just saved mine!
10:31 <Your_mom_arma> haha
10:32 <wrtlprnft> can't durka use that preview button?
10:32 <wrtlprnft> it's a pain to mark all his edits as patrolled
10:34 <Your_mom_arma> can you tell people to login and preview before posting at the same time
10:35 <wrtlprnft> have fun telling them
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10:40 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=User:Durka&curid=2992&diff=15652&oldid=15647
10:40 <wrtlprnft> i wonder if that was a good idea
10:43 <hiab> good ideas are boring
10:44 <wrtlprnft> true
10:44 <hiab> maybe that should be my motto
10:44 <wrtlprnft> the only problem i can imagine is that some of the bigger jerks on that wiki will pick it up
10:44 <wrtlprnft> and decorate random pages with it
10:46 <DrJoeTron> see ya
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10:47 <Your_mom_arma> am i one of those jerks?
10:48 <wrtlprnft> ?
10:48 <Your_mom_arma> nm
10:49 <wrtlprnft> youo aren't i hope
10:49 <Your_mom_arma> man how many edits does it take to change 4 pages?
10:49 <wrtlprnft> yeah :(
10:49 <Your_mom_arma> it sure shouldnt take 25
10:49 <wrtlprnft> just what i'm saying
10:49 <Your_mom_arma> Lucifer_arma: im changing the front page
10:50 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: 39 edits in fact
10:50 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Durka
10:51 <Your_mom_arma> i just guessed
10:52 <wrtlprnft> yeah
10:53 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: is there any extension to the wiki that displays an annoying message and prevents someone from editing if that guy does, say, 3 edits to the same page in 5 minutes?
10:54 <Your_mom_arma> way to ignore your own advice Your_mom_arma
10:54 <Your_mom_arma> as i forget to login before editing
10:55 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Main_Page
10:55 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: choose my skin :P
10:55 <Your_mom_arma> i'll just use my get out of jail free card this time
10:55 <wrtlprnft> then you'll see if you're logged in immediately
10:56 <wrtlprnft> that diff is really fun :P
10:56 <wrtlprnft> edit by <some IP>: don't make anonymous edits!
10:57 <Your_mom_arma> haha
10:57 <Your_mom_arma> hey its almost 5 am and ive been up since 10am give me a break
10:57 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: what you CAN do is make a [[User:Your_Mom/monobook.css]] and put something like textarea { background-color:red; } in it
10:58  * Your_mom_arma presents get out of jail free card again
10:58 <wrtlprnft> then the edit box is always red if you're logged in
10:59 <Your_mom_arma> if durka became malicius would any of us know within 24 hours?
10:59 <wrtlprnft> ?
10:59 <Your_mom_arma> i dont bother checking his edits anymore
11:00 <wrtlprnft> I'm checking all his edits, even though it's a pain
11:00 <Your_mom_arma> somebody give that guy a klondike bar
11:00 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:01 <Your_mom_arma> pop culture refrence
11:01 <Your_mom_arma> good job
11:02 <Your_mom_arma> #google klondike ice cream
11:02 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Search took 0.25 seconds: Ice Cream USA: <http://www.breyers.com/>; Klondike : What Would You Do For a Klondike Bar?: <http://www.breyers.com/klondike/>; Klondike Ice Cream Novelties: <http://products.peapod.com/1505.html>; Klondike bar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klondike_bar>; Amazon.com: Klondike Ice Cream Bars, 30 oz: Gourmet Food: (2 more messages)
11:02 <Your_mom_arma> cya guys
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12:10 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6168 /private/wrtlprnft/armaspyadvanced/armaspyadvanced.py:
12:10 <armabot> armagetronad: - fixed yet another issue with loading the config file
12:10 <armabot> armagetronad: - now respects the age attribure of the Servers tag to reduce delays
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13:01 <wrtlprnft> #g 95/30
13:01 <wrtlprnft> #g 56/30
13:02 <wrtlprnft> …
13:02 <wrtlprnft> #ping
13:03 <wrtlprnft> strange
13:03 <wrtlprnft> it's logging it, just not responding to it
13:03 <wrtlprnft> the server's up, anyways
13:03 <wrtlprnft> #ping
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13:04 <wrtlprnft> #g 95/30
13:04 <wrtlprnft> #g 56/30
13:04 <armabot> 95 / 30 = 3.16666667
13:04 <armabot> 56 / 30 = 1.86666667
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14:08 <spiderman> wale up to nothing but bitching
14:08 <spiderman> every...single....day
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14:24 <spiderman> MaZuffeR_, 
14:25 <MaZuffeR_> yes?
14:25 <spiderman> sup :p
14:27 <spiderman> you should get a email pretty soon
14:28 <MaZuffeR_> ok
14:28 <spiderman> whenever thee page loads,lol
14:29 <spiderman> k added to the usergroup
14:33 <spiderman> might wanna read the clan and server guidelines, although you don't really talk :p
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15:41 <philippeqc> hi
15:43 <wrtlprnft> hi
15:43 <philippeqc> been a while
15:43 <wrtlprnft> true
15:43 <wrtlprnft> nothing happened, really
15:43 <philippeqc> o
15:43 <wrtlprnft> except for the ladle
15:43 <wrtlprnft> and armaspyad ;)
15:43 <philippeqc> I stayed at home today... started a cold
15:44  * wrtlprnft thinks he shouldn't say that's a good thing
15:44 <philippeqc> now that I'm a bit better, I though I'd do a bit of AA. the thing is now, I have no clue what I was working on ;)
15:44 <wrtlprnft> zones.
15:44 <philippeqc> o yeah! lol
15:45 <philippeqc> and it was in C++
15:45 <wrtlprnft> your latest experiment was a zone moving in circles
15:45  * philippeqc thinks doing a spidey on you wouldnt be that unappropriate
15:45 <philippeqc> yes, I got to that part, and remembered that was was missing was to be able to serialise them to the network
15:46 <wrtlprnft> yep
15:46 <wrtlprnft> and add backwards compatibilty to older clients
15:46 <wrtlprnft> ie send them recent updates all the time
15:46 <wrtlprnft> about their position and speed
15:46 <philippeqc> would you, by any chance, have fixed serialisation of your "parser" tValue?
15:46 <wrtlprnft> ?
15:47 <wrtlprnft> I guess we should use luke's stuff now
15:47 <philippeqc> does it work?
15:47 <wrtlprnft> it can do all the stuff tValue can do, i think
15:47 <philippeqc> does it work good?
15:47 <philippeqc> does it work as good as he promised?
15:47 <wrtlprnft> well, it does parse expressions
15:47 <wrtlprnft> and it can do functions
15:47 <wrtlprnft> and variables, i think
15:48 <wrtlprnft> and +-*/, the usual candidates
15:48 <wrtlprnft> look at the cWidgetBase somewhere
15:48 <wrtlprnft> sec
15:50 <wrtlprnft> cWidgetBase.cpp:256
15:51 <wrtlprnft> for definitions of functions you either have to try to understand his code (he defines a sin function somewhere) or ask him
15:51 <philippeqc> ok
15:51 <wrtlprnft> for serialisations over the network...
15:52 <wrtlprnft> you probably have to implement a function for each tValue that sends it and its childs (recursively) over the network
15:52 <philippeqc> so tValueParser::parse( <insert mat string here> );
15:52 <wrtlprnft> yep
15:52 <wrtlprnft> that's the basic call
15:56 <philippeqc> confused where to try to read his code
15:57 <wrtlprnft> uh, sec
15:57 <wrtlprnft> Registration register_sin("func\nmath", "sin", 1, (Registration::fptr) ( ctor::a1* )& Creator<Trig::Sin>::create<BasePtr> );
15:57 <wrtlprnft> that's how you register a function
15:58 <wrtlprnft> where the function gets registered for "func" and "math", whatever that means
16:00 <philippeqc> humm maybe I'll tackel that prob when I'll be a bit better
16:00 <wrtlprnft> and before that you have to declare sin like that
16:00 <wrtlprnft> typedef Bindings::CFunction::fUnary<float, float, sinf> Sin;
16:00 <wrtlprnft> there's also fBinary and fZeroary
16:01 <philippeqc> how comes fUnary takes 2 float arguments? ;)
16:01 <wrtlprnft> one is the return value
16:01 <wrtlprnft> another the parameter
16:01 <philippeqc> o
16:01 <wrtlprnft> the third one is the actual function
16:02 <wrtlprnft> you can probably just scrap the whole typedef and put it all on one line
16:06 <philippeqc> I think I'll wait at a later time to tackel that
16:07 <wrtlprnft> x_X
16:07 <philippeqc> fever here!
16:07 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i can understand that
16:07 <wrtlprnft> do something useful and try out armaspy advanced :P
16:08 <philippeqc> but I wanted to code polygonial shaped zones!!!!!
16:08 <wrtlprnft> errm, do that!
16:09 <philippeqc> got a smart idea to store its shape beside an array of points?
16:09 <wrtlprnft> uh, not really
16:10 <wrtlprnft> tell me the interface once you're done so i can adapt the hud map
16:11 <philippeqc> o yeah! no hurry there cowboy, I'm not sure I'll be done today
16:11 <philippeqc> but look at branch about zones, then src/tron/zone/zShape.*
16:11 <wrtlprnft> if not we have to wait for your next cold?
16:11 <philippeqc> the polygone just has a holder class atm
16:12 <philippeqc> and while you are there, try to compile it and run it. I'll give you a map where the zones move around (if your are interested)
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16:13 <wrtlprnft> i don't see a zShape.*
16:13 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/private/philippeqc/zone-v2-01-start/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/
16:13 <philippeqc> not private
16:13 <philippeqc> branch
16:14 <wrtlprnft> ah
16:14 <philippeqc> sorry
16:15 <wrtlprnft> i suggest you give the shapes a render2d function
16:15 <wrtlprnft> that would render for the HUD
16:16 <philippeqc> ok
16:16 <philippeqc> lazy you!!!! ;)
16:16 <wrtlprnft> well, it's better too
16:16 <wrtlprnft> currently the zones part has to query info from the zones
16:16 <philippeqc> I totally get it, dont worry
16:16 <wrtlprnft> :)
16:17 <philippeqc> humm, found what seems to be a smart algo to know if a point is inside a polygon
16:17 <philippeqc> http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/geometry/insidepoly/
16:18 <wrtlprnft> if you find an algo that can find the smallest polygon surrounding a number of other polygons tell me
16:18 <philippeqc> got a math assignment?
16:19 <wrtlprnft> no
16:19 <wrtlprnft> but i'd like to render a background for the HUD map :P
16:20 <philippeqc> so if the map is hexa shaped, you what a hexa background
16:20 <wrtlprnft> yeah
16:21 <philippeqc> I'd start with something similar than finding the bounding box, but I'd store the full coord of the 4 points found
16:21 <philippeqc> that would give you a crazy shaped 4 points poly
16:21 <wrtlprnft> then what?
16:22 <philippeqc> then do a inside/outside test on the other points
16:22 <wrtlprnft> the map might be shaped like an 8 too
16:22 <philippeqc> I'm assuming here a convex shape
16:22 <philippeqc> if you want concave, that'll cost you
16:22 <wrtlprnft> yeah, well, you can't assume that :(
16:22 <philippeqc> grrr
16:23 <wrtlprnft> look at the chico hourglass map
16:23 <philippeqc> yeah yeah, 
16:23 <wrtlprnft> well, actually a filling algo would be ok
16:23 <wrtlprnft> i could fill from a point outside the map
16:23 <wrtlprnft> then take the inverse
16:23 <philippeqc> start with bounding box
16:24 <philippeqc> then look if you can add a polygon and reduce its area, and that there are no points outside of it, 
16:24 <philippeqc> repeat
16:24 <wrtlprnft> i could just take the rightmost point
16:25 <wrtlprnft> then check all lines that go away from it
16:25 <wrtlprnft> and take the two lines that have an endpoint as far right as possible
16:25 <wrtlprnft> then take the endpoint of one of them
16:26 <wrtlprnft> find the one that has the largest inside angle
16:26 <wrtlprnft> and so on
16:26 <wrtlprnft> that wouldn't find walls that cut each other, though
16:26 <wrtlprnft> like |><|
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16:27 <philippeqc> hummm, 
16:27 <Lackadaisical> hey..  can anyone else reach the wiki?
16:28 <wrtlprnft> sec
16:28 <philippeqc> dont seem so
16:28 <wrtlprnft> not me
16:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you screwed up! ;)
16:28 <wrtlprnft> probably his 3–year old or whatever DOSing the server
16:29 <wrtlprnft> or durka killed him because 3 people picked on him today
16:29 <philippeqc> no firewall can resist a pb&j DOS attack
16:31 <philippeqc> I think I should suggest that one to Toms Hardware to add to their test ;)
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16:39 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: would you accept "the shortest rubber band to surround a shape?"
16:40 <philippeqc> it wont to the hour glass inner shape, but it should be close enough so that a minimum of people complain about it
16:44 <philippeqc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concave_hull
16:44 <philippeqc> sorry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convex_hull
16:55 <wrtlprnft> sec
16:58 <wrtlprnft> now i just need to figure out how efficient i wanna be
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17:08 <wrtlprnft> i'll probably just stick to gift wrapping
17:09 <wrtlprnft> i don't get that graham thing
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17:11 <philippeqc> it will be good enough
17:11 <wrtlprnft> though. now i do
17:16 <wrtlprnft> that'll be some nice practice for STL functions
17:37 <philippeqc> ;)
17:53 <Lucifer_arma> wiki's back up
17:54 <wrtlprnft> :)
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17:55 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: got a smart and fast way to get an iterator to the last element of a vector, AND it being a forward iterator?
17:57 <wrtlprnft> someVector.end()-1?
17:58 <philippeqc> cheater! ;) (forgot that math operation are defined on iterators ;)
17:58 <wrtlprnft> :P
17:58 <philippeqc> if I want to have an iterator to point to the previous element, can I have the 3rd part of the for loop that cover the collection to be written like this:
17:59 <philippeqc> prevIter=iter, ++iter
18:00 <wrtlprnft> i guess so
18:00 <wrtlprnft> or more effective:
18:00 <wrtlprnft> prevIter=iter++ ;)
18:00 <philippeqc> in their algo, they do  j=i++, but I guess preIncrement returns the new value, not the old (like post increment)
18:01 <wrtlprnft> preincrement returns the new value, right
18:01 <wrtlprnft> but if you use the value it returns, why not used post increment?
18:01 <philippeqc> grrrrrrrrrrr, I SAW IT!!!! I knew post returned the value!!!!!!!!
18:01 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:01 <philippeqc> 'cause I'm dumb!
18:02 <wrtlprnft> are not!
18:02 <philippeqc> are so
18:02 <philippeqc> ;)
18:08 <spiderman> today is going to be a fun day
18:09 <spiderman> not
18:09 <wrtlprnft> is there a library function to calculate the absolute of a float?
18:09 <philippeqc> why? no more spiderweb?
18:09 <spiderman> no
18:09 <spiderman> school starting back
18:09 <philippeqc> abs() ?
18:10 <spiderman> and i have to go untill my grandma signs me up for the ged thing o.o
18:10 <philippeqc> ged?
18:10 <spiderman> mm
18:10 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: abs() works on ints
18:10 <spiderman> it's like a diploma
18:10 <spiderman> only not as good
18:11 <wrtlprnft> #seen Lucifer_arma
18:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Lucifer_arma was last seen in #armagetron 17 minutes and 12 seconds ago: <Lucifer_arma> wiki's back up
18:11 <philippeqc> fasb()
18:12 <philippeqc> so you want to drop school so you can get some lesser-value diploma?
18:12 <wrtlprnft> #later tell lucifer* i think the front page is a good place to put it. It's not nitpicking, he is recommending a solution. Btw, that was your_mom who edited the page
18:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
18:15 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: thanks
18:15 <philippeqc> what did I do?
18:15  * wrtlprnft wonders why it's fasb, but sinf…
18:16 <wrtlprnft> 18:11 <philippeqc> fasb()
18:16  * philippeqc wondered a long time what atoi ment. Say it out loud, and it doesnt help you... until you get the Ascii TO Integer. Haaaa, atoi!
18:17 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:17 <wrtlprnft> why isn't it a2i?
18:17 <philippeqc> THAT would make sence
18:19  * wrtlprnft still remembers the times where making a C program meant putting “#define st short”, “#define vd void”, and other things to the very top of it
18:21 <philippeqc> why do method in the header need to be terminated by ; and not in the cpp file! 
18:21 <philippeqc> (i get the "otherwise the compiler doesnt know where one start and the other end", but still)
18:48 <wrtlprnft> the code block for the function already terminates it
18:48 <wrtlprnft> the {}
18:48 <wrtlprnft> if you put the code block into the header file (define it inline in the class) you don't need a ; either
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18:52 <madmax|pt> hello
18:53 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: sorry, I meant in the class declaration, not just the header.
18:54 <philippeqc> there, you have void func() {stuff;} ; <--- that one
18:54 <philippeqc> because most of the time it : void func() ; <-- required to tell the compiler that the declaraction of func is terminated
19:55 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:56 <wrtlprnft> class asdf {
19:56 <wrtlprnft>     void somefunc() { return; }
19:56 <wrtlprnft> };
19:56 <wrtlprnft> that's perfectly fine
19:56 <philippeqc> i dont think my compiler likes it
19:56 <wrtlprnft> infact i've seen compilers complain if you put that extra ;
19:56 <philippeqc> o
19:56 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: look at my code, i venver put a ;
19:57 <philippeqc> ok
19:57 <philippeqc> always do here
19:57 <wrtlprnft> *never
19:57 <wrtlprnft> dunno how i got to that spelling
20:00 <philippeqc> its funny how, what ever I do for AA, it always come back to the parser. 
20:00 <wrtlprnft> x_X
20:00 <philippeqc> it is my keystone
20:06 <wrtlprnft> someone tell me why my X11 got so slow...
20:06  * wrtlprnft blames Luke-Jr 
20:06 <wrtlprnft> s/\.{3}/…/
20:06 <philippeqc> why should he be to blame in that case?
20:07 <wrtlprnft> because i edited something in my xorg.conf to make him happy
20:07 <wrtlprnft> already screwed up my fonts
20:07 <philippeqc> ????????????+
20:07 <wrtlprnft> something about telling xorg the width and height of my screen
20:07 <philippeqc> luke happiness doesnt have anything to do with my xorg.conf file
20:08 <wrtlprnft> one might think so
20:08 <philippeqc> ;)
20:09 <philippeqc> ok, my xorg.conf will not be influenced based on luke's happiness. Let him base his own happiness on it as much as he wishes.
20:11 <wrtlprnft> x_X
20:11 <wrtlprnft> well, something's really screwd
20:11 <wrtlprnft> *screwed
20:11 <wrtlprnft> switching desktops takes forever
20:14 <philippeqc> comment said changes?
20:16 <wrtlprnft> dunno
20:16 <wrtlprnft> i like to keep blamin it on him
20:17 <wrtlprnft> and i'd need to restart X
20:18 <philippeqc> what ever rocks your boat man!
20:19 <wrtlprnft> x_X
20:30 <wrtlprnft> 	T::iterator iter(out.begin()+1);
20:30 <wrtlprnft> wtf is wrong with that?
20:31 <wrtlprnft> ../../src/tools/tCoord.h:167: error: expected `;' before "iter"
20:31 <wrtlprnft> where t is a template typename
20:32 <wrtlprnft> nvm
20:32 <wrtlprnft> it wants me to use typename T::iter
20:33 <philippeqc> where?
20:33 <wrtlprnft> typename T::iterator iter(out.begin()+1)
20:33 <philippeqc> o
20:33 <philippeqc> I hate that one
20:33 <wrtlprnft> woo, compiled
20:37 <philippeqc> if I want to pass an anonymous object to a method, what should I do so I can pass it by reference?
20:37 <wrtlprnft> type const &
20:38 <wrtlprnft> void print(tCoord const &coord) { std::cerr << coord << std::endl; }
20:38 <wrtlprnft> print(tCoord(42, 101010))
20:38 <wrtlprnft> ;
20:38 <wrtlprnft> that should work
20:40 <philippeqc> ok, the anonymous object is const to mark that you shouldn modify it!
20:40 <wrtlprnft> yep
20:40 <philippeqc> thanks
20:40 <wrtlprnft> yw
20:41 <wrtlprnft> though i don't quite understand it myself
20:41 <wrtlprnft> you CAN modify anonymous objects
20:41 <wrtlprnft> std::cerr << tCoord().Turn(tCoord(1,1)) << std::endl; //thap works fine
20:42 <philippeqc> hummm
20:44 <wrtlprnft> #last --from hiab --nolimit
20:44 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 3716 messages.
20:44 <wrtlprnft> x_X
20:45 <wrtlprnft> 06:27 <hiab> is the bug fixed?
20:45 <wrtlprnft> 07:09 <hiab> ou guys are meanies :D
20:45 <wrtlprnft> 07:09 <hiab> you
20:45 <wrtlprnft> 10:43 <hiab> good ideas are boring
20:45 <wrtlprnft> 10:44 <hiab> maybe that should be my motto
20:45 <wrtlprnft> not what i wanted
20:45 <wrtlprnft> 06:27 <hiab> is the bug fixed?
20:45 <wrtlprnft> 07:09 <hiab> ou guys are meanies :D
20:45 <wrtlprnft> 07:09 <hiab> you
20:45 <wrtlprnft> 10:43 <hiab> good ideas are boring
20:45 <wrtlprnft> 10:44 <hiab> maybe that should be my motto
20:46 <wrtlprnft> argh
20:46 <madmax|pt> o_O
20:46 <wrtlprnft> 20:46 01:20 <hiab> i had an idea for a name
20:46 <wrtlprnft> 20:46 01:20 <hiab> abominable snowmen?
20:46 <wrtlprnft> that's what i really wanted
20:47 <wrtlprnft> and yeah, /exec -o is dangerous
20:50 <philippeqc> my square zone isnt showing... boo
20:53 <wrtlprnft> x_X
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20:55 <philippeqc> boo ya baby! I'm so cool, I'm cool^2
20:56 <philippeqc> the engine worked, I just made it quite big (-10 to +10, so 20 of size) and then gave it a too big scale factor (29)
20:57 <wrtlprnft> wd
20:58 <philippeqc> only need to fix to it detect collision now ;) 
20:58 <philippeqc> I use an array of points for the shape, then I rotate it, scale it and move it to the "center" location given
20:58 <wrtlprnft> does it support rotating the entire shape too?
20:59 <philippeqc> let me chek for that
20:59 <wrtlprnft> and how does it render the zone?
21:00 <philippeqc> humm, it should have rotated it... might have a bug here
21:00 <philippeqc> and right now the zone is "solid" with alpha blending. didnt want to do fancy rendering stuff
21:01  * wrtlprnft is thinking about two zones that are formed like gears
21:01 <wrtlprnft> then rotate into each other
21:02 <wrtlprnft> and you have to fit inbetween them to get to the other side
21:02 <philippeqc> o my, didnt thought of that one!!!!
21:02 <wrtlprnft> :)
21:03 <wrtlprnft> you know, something that keeps you busy
21:03 <philippeqc> the rendering will be another debate too. Everybody and their dog will have a different opinion how do to it. for circle, rotating the circle or rotating the "pattern" had the same effect, fow a square, its 2 different things
21:03 <wrtlprnft> or a deathzone with a small hole that moves around in pseudorandom ways
21:03 <wrtlprnft> and both players have to stay in that
21:04 <wrtlprnft> well, you could keep the look it has now
21:04 <wrtlprnft> you
21:04 <philippeqc> negative death hole. leaving it kills you. yeah! that be nice
21:04 <philippeqc> and what look is that?
21:04 <wrtlprnft> 'd just need to break parts that go across corners
21:04 <wrtlprnft> like a dotted line
21:04 <wrtlprnft> *dashed
21:05 <wrtlprnft> and then have the dashes move around
21:05 <wrtlprnft> omg
21:05 <wrtlprnft> portage's trying to install gcc 4
21:05 <wrtlprnft> that's bound to cause trouble
21:06 <wrtlprnft> o well, let's go for it
21:06 <wrtlprnft> the real trouble will be recompiling everything with it
21:07 <philippeqc> ouch
21:07 <philippeqc> bad idea
21:07 <wrtlprnft> 4.1 to be exact
21:07 <philippeqc> so you want rotating shapes AND rotating texture
21:07 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:07 <wrtlprnft> independant of each other of course
21:10 <philippeqc> strange, the rotation is not taking effect
21:11 <philippeqc> s the bug fixed?
21:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft 07:09 <hiab> ou guys are meanies :D
21:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft 07:09 <hiab> you
21:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft 10:43 <hiab> good ideas are boring
21:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft 10:44 <hiab> maybe that should be my motto
21:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft not what i wanted
21:11 <wrtlprnft> what bug?
21:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft 06:27 <hiab> is the bug fixed?
21:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft 07:09 <hiab> ou guys are meanies :D
21:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft 07:09 <hiab> you
21:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft 10:43 <hiab> good ideas are boring
21:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft 10:44 <hiab> maybe that should be my motto
21:12 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft argh
21:12 <philippeqc> oups
21:12 <wrtlprnft> haha
21:12 <philippeqc>     glTranslatef(posx_->GetFloat(), posy_->GetFloat(), 0);
21:12 <philippeqc>     REAL r = scale_->GetFloat();
21:12 <philippeqc>     glScalef(r, r, 1.0);
21:12 <philippeqc>     float i = rotation_->GetFloat();
21:12 <philippeqc>     glRotatef(0.0, rotation_->GetFloat(), 0.0, 1.0);
21:12 <philippeqc> i = 45.0, according to my redbook, it should be in degrees
21:12 <wrtlprnft> it is in degrees
21:12 <wrtlprnft> at least it was in my tests
21:13 <wrtlprnft> but, uh
21:13 <wrtlprnft> you're rotating by 0 degrees around the point (i,0,1)
21:13 <wrtlprnft> http://www.mevis.de/opengl/glRotate.html
21:13 <wrtlprnft> 1st param is angle
21:14 <wrtlprnft> *around the vector
21:14 <philippeqc> wait!!!!
21:14 <philippeqc> ooooooooooooooooooooooo
21:14 <philippeqc> thanks
21:14 <wrtlprnft> yw
21:18 <philippeqc> haha! there is a big, rotating around the center of the arena, purple, 45 degrees turned square now!
21:19 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:20 <wrtlprnft> anyways, with noncircular zones you might need a better, non- naïve collision detection
21:20 <wrtlprnft> so you can't drive through a very thin zone
21:21 <philippeqc> thanks for voluntering
21:22 <wrtlprnft> never said that :P
21:22 <wrtlprnft> i'm already confused if i have to find the intersection of two lines
21:22 <philippeqc> yes yes, I'm quite sure!
21:23 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft and I'll fix it for you
21:23 <philippeqc> ^^^ I so like totally just cut and pasted that from irc
21:24 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: are you matrix math good?
21:25 <philippeqc> I need to take a point, rotate it, scale it and translate it. That is for the collision detection.
21:25 <wrtlprnft> uh
21:26 <wrtlprnft> i dunno a thing about it
21:26 <wrtlprnft> just that matrixes are twodimensional arrays
21:26 <philippeqc> its easy to animate with opengl, but I need to do the collision detection
21:26 <philippeqc> o ok
21:26 <wrtlprnft> and that you can do fancy rotation stuff with it
21:26 <wrtlprnft> uh, there's a tCoord::Turn
21:26 <wrtlprnft> that lets you do the rotation part
21:26 <wrtlprnft> moving is trivial
21:26 <philippeqc> does it work in degrees or rad
21:27 <philippeqc> scaling too
21:27 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: neither
21:27 <wrtlprnft> you make a point that has the angle you like
21:28 <wrtlprnft> so basically tCoord(cosf(angle), sinf(angle));
21:28 <wrtlprnft> that you pass to the turn method of another coord
21:28 <philippeqc> o
21:28 <philippeqc> ok
21:28 <philippeqc> thanks
21:28 <wrtlprnft> that's how i'm rendering the hud zones
21:29 <wrtlprnft> yw
21:32 <philippeqc> humm, should it be scaled first, then rotated, or the other way?
21:33 <philippeqc> nevemind, I do symetric scaling
21:33 <wrtlprnft> if you scale and rotate it around the same spot it doesn't matter
21:34 <philippeqc> I do the translation after
21:37 <philippeqc>     tCoord centerPos = tCoord(posx_->GetFloat(), posy_->GetFloat());
21:37 <philippeqc>     tCoord previous = tCoord(xp, yp).turn( cosf(rotation_->GetFloat()), sinf(rotation_->GetFloat()) )*scale_->GetFloat() + centerPos;
21:37 <philippeqc> does it look ok?
21:38 <wrtlprnft> i suggest you save the rotation tCoord somewhere
21:38 <wrtlprnft> then reuse it
21:39 <wrtlprnft> that way you avoid all those trig functions
21:39 <philippeqc> o yes
21:39 <wrtlprnft> that's the whole reason why it doesn't accept an angle
21:40 <wrtlprnft> because you rarely have just one point to turn
21:40 <wrtlprnft> and, of course, sinf/cosf expect radians
21:40 <wrtlprnft> yay
21:40 <wrtlprnft> (0,0)
21:40 <wrtlprnft> (1,1)
21:41 <wrtlprnft> (2,0)
21:41 <wrtlprnft> (2,2)
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21:41 <wrtlprnft> (0,2)
21:41 <wrtlprnft> that's before
21:41 <wrtlprnft> after:
21:41 <wrtlprnft> (0,0)
21:41 <wrtlprnft> (2,0)
21:41 <wrtlprnft> (2,2)
21:41 <wrtlprnft> (0,2)
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21:55 <wrtlprnft> let's see how well that performs with actual maps...
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22:33 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: how to set the arena size factor to 1?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> size_factor 1
22:33 <wrtlprnft> sp_size_factor 1
22:33 <wrtlprnft> i think
22:34 <wrtlprnft> or try 0
22:34 <wrtlprnft> it's some crazy formula the real size factor is calculated with
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22:34 <philippeqc> settings.cfg?
22:34 <wrtlprnft> well, anywhere that accepts config items ;)
22:34 <wrtlprnft> *any place
22:37 <philippeqc> ty
22:37 <wrtlprnft> yw
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23:02 <guru3> touch mchammer
23:02 <guru3> touch: can't touch this
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23:05 <philippeqc> It's all about being legit without quitting
23:07  * wrtlprnft hates the fact that rim walls are split up into hundreds of smaller walls
23:07 <wrtlprnft> actually, why are they?
23:08 <philippeqc> cause they sit on the edge of eFaces
23:08 <philippeqc> as the grid gets fragmented, so does the rim
23:09 <wrtlprnft> and there's no way to work around that?
23:11 <philippeqc> yes, make the rim a non-grid structure. then change the collision detection to also check agains taht new structure, without the help of the "optimisation" that the cycle only check for local collision
23:12 <wrtlprnft> x_X
23:12 <philippeqc> still interested?
23:12 <wrtlprnft> no
23:13 <wrtlprnft> I'll stcik to my graham mess
23:13 <philippeqc> what is a good format to post images on the forum? jpg
23:13 <wrtlprnft> png!
23:13 <philippeqc> really
23:13 <philippeqc> ?
23:13 <wrtlprnft> no, post bmp
23:13 <wrtlprnft> and psd
23:13 <wrtlprnft> and tiff
23:13 <philippeqc> ok, no more joking. png or not?
23:14 <wrtlprnft> png
23:14 <wrtlprnft> you'd make Luke-Jr most happy if you'd post an XML image
23:15 <wrtlprnft> <row><pixel r="255" g="0" b="255" a="255" /><pixel r="255" g="255" b="255" a="128" /></row>
23:15 <wrtlprnft> <row><pixel r="0" g="0" b="0" a="255" /><pixel r="255" g="0" b="0" a="255" /></row>
23:15 <wrtlprnft> *if you posted
23:15 <philippeqc> do screenshot of waky new zones go into general or development?
23:15 <wrtlprnft> bad grammar
23:16 <wrtlprnft> i'd say development
23:16 <wrtlprnft> as it's supposed to be official at some point in time
23:16 <wrtlprnft> YAY
23:17 <wrtlprnft> i got the square map with a translucent background
23:17 <wrtlprnft> og, i could have done that easier
23:17 <wrtlprnft> ok
23:17 <wrtlprnft> **ok
23:19 <wrtlprnft> oooookaaay
23:19 <wrtlprnft> it's a bit to slow to run it on a map with tons of walls
23:19 <wrtlprnft> it's currently called each round
23:20 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: where can i move it so it gets called right after the grid got created?
23:20 <wrtlprnft> and then save the result somewhere, of course
23:21 <philippeqc> either after the parser is called, or create a cache of the data if you dont have it, and just before the parser is called, clear the cache
23:31 <wrtlprnft> stupid CTWF
23:31 <wrtlprnft> full just when you need itt
23:31 <wrtlprnft> *it
23:31 <wrtlprnft> the perfect playground for testing
23:33 <philippeqc> just get their maps
23:34 <philippeqc> ;)
23:34 <wrtlprnft> that doesn't give me their map rotation
23:34 <wrtlprnft> i don't feel like entering tons of different MAP_FILE values by hand
23:34 <philippeqc> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=89941#89941
23:34 <philippeqc> you are too lazy
23:35 <philippeqc> check the link !
23:36 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:36 <wrtlprnft> nice!
23:37 <philippeqc> ty
23:37 <wrtlprnft> that would all be way easier to see if it was visible on the HUD map ;)
23:38 <philippeqc> ;)
23:38 <philippeqc> I know, but time to go to bed
23:38 <philippeqc> there was some funky debuging, in the rendering, I did apply the scale twice... thats why my collision didnt work 
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6169 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/src/tron/ (9 files in 3 dirs): Zone have a scale factor, no longer a radius. Added support for ShapePolygon. Factorized parsing of Shapes a bit.
23:39 <wrtlprnft> night
23:40 <philippeqc> night
23:41 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6170 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/resource/proto/map-0.3.1-a.dtd: added support for ShapePolygon
23:43 <wrtlprnft> let's do some more optimisation
23:43 <wrtlprnft> this currently sucks
23:44 <philippeqc> grrr, I tagged too many files to be added to svn. how do I undo that
23:44 <wrtlprnft> it transforms a square into something with many lines that are almost straight, but not quite
23:44 <wrtlprnft> svn remove?
23:44 <wrtlprnft> or delete, dunno
23:44 <philippeqc> I was stuck with delete
23:45 <wrtlprnft> remove delete erase rm del ← who ever knows which one? ;)
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23:46 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r6171 /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/armagetronad/resource/proto/philippeqc/ (. quadFortress.aamap.xml): test maps of philippe
23:47 <philippeqc> there, now you have even the map I've used! 
23:48 <wrtlprnft> :)
23:49 <wrtlprnft> i need to get this poly thing working first :(
23:49 <philippeqc> ok
23:49 <philippeqc> I'm going to bed now
23:49 <philippeqc> cya
23:49 <philippeqc> #night
23:49 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
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00:23 <DrJoeTron> 2.8.2 likes to degrade after each restar
00:23 <DrJoeTron> t
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01:45 <DrJoeTron> everyone on ctf needs to just fucking explode
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02:11 <Durka> hi
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02:16 <DrJoeTron> i cannot stand 2.8.2
02:16 <Durka> its so much better than 0.3 x ;)
02:16 <DrJoeTron> i prefer 8.1
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02:18 <Durka> sup luci
02:20 <DrJoeTron> im starting to notice a difference from playing wired as apposed to wifi
02:20 <DrJoeTron> with wifi i slide every 2 minutes
02:20 <Durka> lol
02:20 <Durka> i play on a wireless keybaord :p
02:20 <DrJoeTron> yeah i do to
02:20 <Durka> lol
02:21 <DrJoeTron> not very wireless is it
02:21 <Durka> i cant press more than 4 keys at onced
02:21 <Durka> which I often did with my laptop before it broke
02:21 <DrJoeTron> i dont have that problem, because i dont user more than 2 at once tops
02:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah, definate packet loss
02:22 <Durka> double bind then quick right left back on my wall while pressing brake and glancing :p
02:22 <DrJoeTron> i turn left and right
02:22 <Durka> i also noticed a huge difference by keyboards
02:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah, definatly got packet loss
02:22 <Durka> normal keyobards are harder to turn because the keys are higher off the keyboard
02:22 <Durka> the ones on laptops
02:23 <Durka> are super flat and much easier to press a bunch of turns fast
02:23 <Durka> my lelvel of pwning go down about 10& by switching keybaords
02:24 <Durka> but then iagain im still waiting for apple to send me back my laptop
02:29 <Durka> is guru3 tank?
02:33  * Durka wants to talk to /you
02:33  * Durka is talking to himself
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02:37 <BO> well this hasnt work
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02:38 <Dr_Joe_Tron> anyone know how to combat packet loss on wifi
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--- Log opened Fri Sep 08 10:27:47 2006
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10:27 <wrtlprnft> x_X
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I found a class that provides a systray icon with just pyQt
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's neat, actually.  It uses ctypes to access the xlib c library directly.  :)
10:44 <wrtlprnft> o_O
10:45 <wrtlprnft> that means i have to say goodbye to KEditList and some KDE icons? :(
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> only if you want to rewrite with Qt and no KDE stuff.  You can also do some magic to have it use KDE when the user is using KDE, but that's more complex
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> really, you can do whatever you want, I just wanted to throw that out to you
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> I needed a systray for something else and didn't want to use pyKDE for it
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10:53 <guru3> what's the speed of usb 1.2?
10:54 <guru3> (or 1.1)
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> slower than usb 2.0
11:00 <wrtlprnft> #g speed of usb 1.2
11:00 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:01 <wrtlprnft> #g speed of sound
11:01 <armabot> speed of sound at sea level = 340.29 m / s
11:02 <guru3> #g speed of usb 1.1
11:02 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:02 <guru3> #g speed of usb
11:02 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:02 <guru3> boo
11:02 <guru3> afk
11:03 <wrtlprnft> guru3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_1.1#Transfer_speed
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12:43 <free-zombie> are there any official checksums of armagetronad downloads ?
12:48 <wrtlprnft> which downloads?
12:48 <wrtlprnft> from sf or beta.aa.net?
12:51 <[dlh]> There aren't checksums for the -src downloads, as far as I know. The Mac OS X dmg files checksum themselves when mounted.
12:51 <wrtlprnft> well, tar.bz files too
12:55 <free-zombie> sf tar.bz2 source...
12:56 <wrtlprnft> bzip2 should complain if they're corrupted. AFAIK .bz2 files have checksums build in
12:57 <[dlh]> I don't think bz2 has an internal checksum.
13:00 <[dlh]> “bzip2 uses 32-bit CRCs to make sure that the decompressed version of a file is identical to the original.”
13:01 <free-zombie> basically, I'd need it for creating a FrugalWare package of armagetronad :)
13:01 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: just tried it, changed a random bit somewhere in the middle of a big bz2 file, and it complained
13:02 <free-zombie> complained about what ?
13:02 <[dlh]> Still, it would be a good idea to have an md5 checksum for the downloads.
13:02  * free-zombie agrees with [dlh] 
13:03 <wrtlprnft> free-zombie: complained about a data integrety error
13:03 <wrtlprnft> bunzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing.
13:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but checksums can't hurt
13:04 <wrtlprnft> also as an extra protection against someone changing our releases
13:04 <free-zombie> "Configuration will be installed in : ${prefix}/etc/games/armagetronad" shouldn't that be /etc/armagetronad or something with --enable-sysconfig ?
13:05 <free-zombie> ah. "Link to configuration will go to   : /etc/armagetronad" *hides*
13:14 <free-zombie> "Static data will be installed in   : /usr/share/armagetronad-" is there a way to cut off the /armagetronad without patching the configure.in ?
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6172 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cCockpit.cpp: Fixed a crash that happened when leaving a local game with a cockpit that refers to a player datasource in a widget of the global viewport (shouldn't be done in cockpits anyways, but it shouldn't crash at least).
13:15  * wrtlprnft doesn't know the build system
13:18 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *mom* I think I found your cockpit crash… It happened when you left a local game, right?
13:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:43 <guru3> my desktop is now packed up
13:45 <wrtlprnft> you moving?
13:46 <guru3> to univeristy
13:46 <guru3> *university
13:46 <wrtlprnft> are the forums staying home or moving with you?
13:46 <guru3> forums are staying for the time being
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13:49  * spiderman slaps GodTodd 
13:49  * GodTodd likes it.
13:51 <spiderman> i can't believe i didn't pass out yesterday
13:51  * spiderman went to my little cousins football game stoned
13:51 <hiab> what university are you going to
13:53 <guru3> sheffield
13:53 <free-zombie> guru3, do you know your way around the build system ?
13:53 <guru3> nope
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13:54 <free-zombie> is anyone here who does know the build system ?
13:55 <wrtlprnft> z-man isn't here, and he's probably the only one who does
13:55 <free-zombie> hehe
13:55 -!- free-zombie is now known as w-tree
13:55 <wrtlprnft> you might try your luck with Lucifer_arma or Luke-Jr (but don't ask both unless you want them to fight, though)
13:56 <spiderman> haha
13:56 <w-tree> I'll keep that in mind ;)
14:05 <spiderman> there's someone on my msn list called 'fuck off' that i have no idea who they are O.o
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--- Log opened Fri Sep 08 14:39:11 2006
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15:39 <wrtlprnft> stupid question: how can python programs leak memory?
15:39 <wrtlprnft> there isn't an evergrowing array or something
15:39 <wrtlprnft> but it still gets quite an impressive memory footprint over time
15:40 <free-zombie> wrtlprnft, they shouldn't. and I've never noticed the CPython interpreter leaking anything - though that's possible. C modules could leak as well....
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16:06 <wrtlprnft> it's pyKDE
16:06 <wrtlprnft> what it uses
16:08 <free-zombie> hehe... I suppose it's KDE ;)
16:08 <free-zombie> like... in general
16:10 <wrtlprnft> i suppose it's PYkde
16:10 -!- philippeqc [n=philippe@c83-250-130-90.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #armagetron
16:10 <wrtlprnft> because kde doesn't leak in other programs for me
16:10 <wrtlprnft> hi there zone guy
16:11  * wrtlprnft wonders if philippeqc knows anything about the build system
16:11 <philippeqc> probably not
16:11 <free-zombie> :(
16:11 <philippeqc> what build system
16:11 <free-zombie> armagetronad's
16:11 <philippeqc> make
16:12 <philippeqc> make is our build system
16:12 <free-zombie> I'm basically looking for a way to installl data in /usr/share/armagetronad- instead of /usr/share/armagetronad- - equiv. for docs etc. and I know you use autohell, but I know nothing of auto*
16:13 <philippeqc> o
16:13 <free-zombie> I'd probably have to modify configure.ac for that....
16:13 -!- free-zombie is now known as w-tree
16:13 <philippeqc> can I ask a question?
16:13 <w-tree> sure.
16:13 <philippeqc> why is it important for you?
16:14 <w-tree> for making a Frugalware package.
16:14 <philippeqc> frugalware doesnt like the trailing folder?
16:14 <wrtlprnft> the only thing i can refer you to is http://beta.armagetronad.net/fetch.php/0.2.8%252F0.2.8.1%252Farmagetronad-
16:14 <wrtlprnft> it has to be solving it in some way
16:18 <philippeqc> sorry, I dont think I can help
16:19 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: got any idea as to waht yourmom meant with "hovering tranparent vector shapes"
16:19 <w-tree> wrtlprnft, I'm not sure it does....
16:20 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: no, i was asking myself the same
16:20 <wrtlprnft> w-tree: it's putting it in /usr/share/games/armagetronad…
16:21 <wrtlprnft> ah, i see, it's not what you want
16:21 <w-tree> yeah... the key is adding the version number...
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16:22 <wrtlprnft> w-tree: i guess you could hack configure to add an option for renaming that dir, then we could make it part of the distribution…
16:23 <w-tree> wrtlprnft, I'd have to figure out how first ;)
16:23 <MaZuffeR> spiderman
16:27 <wrtlprnft> w-tree: that's exactly why i'm not doing it
16:28 <wrtlprnft> i'm happy if i can manage to add a file to the project
16:28 <wrtlprnft> or compile in some library
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16:38  * w-tree digs out the dusty book on autohell he never got around to reading
16:56 <w-tree> ok.... now I need someone who knows the build system - it seams that my version of autoconf is incompatible or doesn't have the right macros...
16:58 -!- w-tree is now known as free-zombie
17:02 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft & anyone that read the teaser post about zones, do you have a good example that I could use so everybody understand that its "any polygon, convex or concave"
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17:04 <Luke-Jr_work__> #last --with=Luke-Jr
17:04 <armabot> Luke-Jr_work__: [13:55:56] <wrtlprnft> you might try your luck with Lucifer_arma or Luke-Jr (but don't ask both unless you want them to fight, though)
17:04 <Luke-Jr_work__> #last --with=Luke-Jr --nolimit
17:04 <armabot> Luke-Jr_work__: [17:04:23] <Luke-Jr_work__> #last --with=Luke-Jr, [13:55:56] <wrtlprnft> you might try your luck with Lucifer_arma or Luke-Jr (but don't ask both unless you want them to fight, though), [23:14:15] <wrtlprnft> you'd make Luke-Jr most happy if you'd post an XML image, and [20:06:27] * wrtlprnft blames Luke-Jr 
17:04 <Luke-Jr_work__> hm
17:04 <philippeqc> hi luke
17:05 <Luke-Jr_work__> hi
17:05 <free-zombie> Luke-Jr, do you know your way around autoconf ?
17:05 <Luke-Jr_work__> nope
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17:05 <philippeqc> quick question: does your expression/parser/tValue/whatsnot support the following:
17:05 <w-tree> ok... so that leaves Lucifer_arma and zman :-/
17:05 <philippeqc> a) serialisation (ie can be sent over the network )
17:05 <philippeqc> b) sin, cos, time()
17:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> a) when someone implements it (this isn't parser related)
17:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> b) sin, yes; cos/time need to be defined
17:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> cos should be a 2-line implementation like sin
17:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> maybe time too
17:06 <philippeqc> is the string preserved to send it over the network?
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17:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> I forget, probably not
17:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> probably not a good idea, either, since there might not have been a source string
17:07 <philippeqc> source?
17:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> I'd try using our regular network sync protocol
17:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> philippeqc: the vValue might have been constructed in C++
17:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> string parsing is for config files
17:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> not C++ code
17:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> primarily, anyhow
17:07 <philippeqc> ?!?!?!?
17:08 <philippeqc> your parser read a string a build a tree of tvalue, doesnt it?
17:08 <Luke-Jr_work__> no reason C++ code can't use new Sin(...)
17:08 <Luke-Jr_work__> yes
17:08 <philippeqc> so if I want to create the same tree, one solution should be to send the same string?
17:09 <Luke-Jr_work__> better to make vValue itself netsync'able
17:09 <[dlh]> Success! I have AA making an mpeg4 on OS X. The bad news is I get 4 fps doing it.
17:09 <[dlh]> a mpeg4*
17:09 <Luke-Jr_work__> [dlh]: video rendering is never meant to be realtime
17:09 <Luke-Jr_work__> [dlh]: use recordings
17:10 <philippeqc> vValue is under your wing at the moment
17:11 <wrtlprnft> back
17:11 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: well, take anything
17:11 <wrtlprnft> o <-- convex
17:12 <Luke-Jr_work__> philippeqc: eh, not really
17:12 <wrtlprnft> U <-- concave
17:12 <philippeqc> the u shape is convex
17:12 <philippeqc> o ok
17:12 <Luke-Jr_work__> philippeqc: I just split it up and wrote the parser and stuff
17:12 <philippeqc> !
17:12 <Luke-Jr_work__> I still don't know how I should merge your collection stuff really
17:12 <wrtlprnft> • <-- convex
17:13 <wrtlprnft> ♦ <-- convex
17:13 <Luke-Jr_work__> vValue is a very combined effort work
17:13 <wrtlprnft> ♡ <-- concave
17:13 <Luke-Jr_work__> currently, the knowledge of it spans between you, wrtl, and I
17:13 <wrtlprnft> ☽ <-- concave
17:14 <Luke-Jr_work__> if someone else adds netsync support, then there'll be 4 of us =p
17:14  * wrtlprnft doesn't know a lot about it anymore
17:14 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I get funky chars
17:14 <philippeqc> â1/2
17:14 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: UTF-8...
17:14 <philippeqc> like that
17:14 <philippeqc> x-chat
17:14 <Luke-Jr_work__>  /charset utf8
17:14 <wrtlprnft> this is an utf-8 channel :P
17:14 <philippeqc> try again
17:14 <wrtlprnft> ☗ <-- convex
17:15 <wrtlprnft> ★ <-- concave
17:15 <philippeqc> ok
17:15 <wrtlprnft> ☽☾ <-- concave
17:15 <Luke-Jr_work__> ...
17:15 <wrtlprnft> ♦• <-- convex ;)
17:15 <Luke-Jr_work__> anyway, back to work =p
17:16 <wrtlprnft> ← <-- a real arrow ;)
17:16 <wrtlprnft> i'd use it more often, but i can't see it myself as it's missing in my font
17:16 <wrtlprnft> my console font, anyways
17:18 <wrtlprnft> ➤ ← another concave char ;)
17:19 <philippeqc> thanks wrt
17:20 <w-tree> ДЯМДТЯОП ← overdoing it
17:20 <philippeqc> lol
17:21 <w-tree> damn... I forgot the GЄ
17:21 <wrtlprnft> Why is  that overdoing it
17:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:21 <wrtlprnft> err
17:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:22 <w-tree> *puzzled* font changing ?!
17:22 <wrtlprnft> no
17:22 <wrtlprnft> look at unicode table 255
17:23 <wrtlprnft> extra-wide chars
17:24 <[dlh]> Is recording playback broken in trunk? I keep getting “Recording ends abruptly here, prepare for a crash!” right at the start.
17:24 <wrtlprnft> it can't be, really
17:24 <wrtlprnft> i made these movies just a few days ago
17:25 <[dlh]> hmm.
17:28 <wrtlprnft> that wasn't the latest trunk, but pretty recent
17:28 <wrtlprnft> there haven't been any engine changes anyays AFAIK
17:35 <[dlh]> VLC doesn't like Quicktimes mp4v codec… Let's try to find one that works.
17:50 -!- w-tree is now known as free-zombie
17:51 <philippeqc> w-zombie: just pick one will you
17:51  * free-zombie stops using w-tree
17:52 <philippeqc> ty
17:52 -!- You're now known as Lag
17:52 <Lag> wtf
17:52 -!- You're now known as LagsMyOnlyFoe
17:53 <LagsMyOnlyFoe> doesn't like ' in nicks
17:56 <philippeqc> humm, did some research about vector graphics
17:56 <philippeqc> i kinda do that already
17:57 <philippeqc> so, now what should I code? behind door #1, there is wrt that wants the zones to render themself on the mini-map. Behind door #2, there is the whole network synch thingy.
17:58 <philippeqc> forgot door #3: "texturing" the zone
17:58 <guru3> network
17:59 <philippeqc> but that mean I have to read AND understand luke's code.
17:59 <guru3> :/
18:00 <guru3> maybe something cool for single player
18:00 <LagsMyOnlyFoe> bitch at him until he does it himself?
18:00 <philippeqc> yeah, thats bound to give quick and well produce results!
18:01 <guru3> Oo
18:01 <guru3> the bitching or?
18:01 <LagsMyOnlyFoe> what Luke-Jr_work__'s gonna do
18:01  * philippeqc grabs my magic fairy wand and grants guru's wish. Poof! Single players have weird shaped zones and not network players
18:01 <philippeqc> dont know, he just said he wouldnt
18:02 <guru3> i mean to promote offline play
18:02 <philippeqc> I need to network sync the tValue
18:02 <LagsMyOnlyFoe> actually it wasn't meant to be done like that…
18:03 <LagsMyOnlyFoe> you were supposed to just send the formula over the network
18:03 <philippeqc> guru, before moving to something totally new, I'd like to close the zone thing
18:03 -!- You're now known as SpideySlapper
18:03  * SpideySlapper slaps spiderman 
18:03 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnft
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnf
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnft
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnf
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnft
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnf
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnft
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnf
18:04 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: so you too do think that sending the string around and requiring the parser to redo its job is the way to go
18:04 <guru3> just mentioned it since you weren't keen on the network bit
18:04 <spiderman> hmm
18:04 <wrtlprnft> /exec -o yes /me slaps spiderman 
18:04 <wrtlprnft> be careful or i'll actually run that one
18:04 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yeah
18:04 <philippeqc> oki
18:05 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: that makes it possible to design a new parser later if we want to
18:05 <philippeqc> oki
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18:05 <wrtlprnft> as long as it could understand the new syntax it would be backwars compatible
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18:05 <wrtlprnft> what?
18:05 <wrtlprnft> oh
18:05 <wrtlprnft> ty
18:05  * wrtlprnft hides
18:05 <philippeqc> do you foresee cases where the parsed tree would integrate in a already build tree (not from a tree)?
18:06 <wrtlprnft> uh
18:06 <philippeqc> like the gParser (map parser) start a tValue, and then under it, puts the result of a parsed string
18:07 <wrtlprnft> dunno
18:07 <philippeqc> k
18:09 <philippeqc> humm, can I fix that from my own (old) lil branch? I REALLY dont want to move my code to trunk, as it TOTALLY kill network code for zones.
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18:18 <spiderman> that's seriously not right
18:20 <Luke-Jr_work__> ...
18:21 <spiderman> * You have been kicked from #armagetron by guru3 (stop doing that) -- wrtlprnft does the samething -_-
18:22 <Luke-Jr_work__> ok so
18:22 <@guru3> spaming 5 lines multiple times
18:23 <spiderman> ya....
18:23 <spiderman> how you think "spideyslapper" has had 94 "abuses" towards me
18:23 <spiderman> anyways i have a washer/dryer/fridge/stove to move bbl
18:26 <philippeqc> #last --with=cMap.cpp --nolimit
18:26 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 9971 messages.
18:26 <philippeqc> #last --with=cMap --nolimit
18:26 <armabot> philippeqc: [18:26:09] <philippeqc> #last --with=cMap.cpp --nolimit
18:26 <philippeqc> #last --with=parser --nolimit
18:26 <armabot> philippeqc: [18:06:54] <philippeqc> like the gParser (map parser) start a tValue, and then under it, puts the result of a parsed string, [18:05:06] <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: that makes it possible to design a new parser later if we want to, [18:04:14] <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: so you too do think that sending the string around and requiring the parser to redo its job is the way to go, [17:12:28] <Luke-Jr_work__> (2 more messages)
18:27 <philippeqc> #last --with=156 --nolimit
18:27 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 9982 messages.
18:27 <spiderman> #last --nolimit --with 156
18:27 <armabot> spiderman: [18:27:06] <philippeqc> #last --with=156 --nolimit
18:27 <spiderman> O.o
18:27 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: do you recall the line with the example you gave me yesterday
18:27 <philippeqc> #last --with cMap --nolimit
18:27 <armabot> philippeqc: [18:26:17] <philippeqc> #last --with=cMap --nolimit and [18:26:09] <philippeqc> #last --with=cMap.cpp --nolimit
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18:28 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr_work__: how do I call your parser?
18:28 <madmax|pt> hello
18:29 <Luke-Jr_work__> philippeqc: rtfs?
18:30 <philippeqc> yeah, but I dont know WHERE to start
18:30 <Luke-Jr_work__> vValue::Parser::parse?
18:30 <Luke-Jr_work__> something like that
18:30 <Luke-Jr_work__> tools/values/parser.h
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18:34 <philippeqc> luke, beside moving files, have you made big changes in the last few weeks?
18:36 <Luke-Jr_work__> nope
18:36 <Luke-Jr_work__> been busy w/ stuff =p
18:36 <Luke-Jr_work__> and the split wasn't merely moving stuff
18:36 <philippeqc> perfect! then I can address that from withing my branch
18:36 <Luke-Jr_work__> the API changed too
19:21 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: for parsing stuff look at cWidgetBase.cpp, search for “Value”
19:21 <philippeqc> yep, found it
19:21 <philippeqc> but I'm struggling with a bigger desing prob
19:21 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: function declarations are in veMath or something
19:21 <wrtlprnft> :)
19:22 <philippeqc> the parser "consume" the string and only return some tvalue
19:22 <philippeqc> so I'd need to store the string on the side
19:23 <philippeqc> which sound like a bad idea
19:23 <DrJoeTron> spiderman ping
19:23 <philippeqc> but hacking the tValue to also hold the creating string sound even worst
19:23 <wrtlprnft> what about a function that turns a tValue tree into a formula? ;)
19:23 <wrtlprnft> sounds most logic to me
19:23 <wrtlprnft> just have it make lots and lots of brackets
19:24 <philippeqc> F!
19:24 <philippeqc> humm, I think I'll store the string and let someone else write formulas
19:24 <philippeqc> ;)
19:24 <philippeqc> it is a good idea, just a bit more time intensive than what I first expected
19:25 <philippeqc> humm, how would you reverse a "callback" to its name... 
19:34 <wrtlprnft> hmm yeah
19:37 <philippeqc> I'm saving a copy in the zone shape. Tahts the only place that will need to communicate it for now, and when ever we get a new implementation, the network part will already be fixed
19:37 <wrtlprnft> stupid question:
19:37 <wrtlprnft> how do i find a google video i uploaded
19:37 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:38 <philippeqc> you can upload videos to google???
19:38 <wrtlprnft> sure
19:38 <wrtlprnft> videos.google.com
19:40 <philippeqc> humm, it requires a plugin I dont have to play them. darn linux 64!
19:40 <spiderman> what joe?
19:41 <DrJoeTron> you in the ts server?
19:41 <spiderman> no
19:41 <DrJoeTron> O_o
19:41 <spiderman> i'm moving the kitchen to the living room and the living room to the kitchen
19:41 <spiderman> putting tiles down and outdoor carpet
19:41 <spiderman> -_-
19:41 <philippeqc> http://video.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=26567&topic=8692
19:42 <DrJoeTron> haha sound slike youve got your work cut out for you
19:42 <philippeqc> http://video.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=8692
19:42 <spiderman> why the fuck old people wanna move the house to the other end
19:42 <philippeqc> second one is better
19:42 <spiderman> and back again
19:42 <spiderman> tis gay :|
19:42 <spiderman> DrJoeTron, you're coming to help
19:42  * spiderman stopped for a smoke break O.o
19:42 <DrJoeTron> sweet
19:42 <philippeqc> Homophobia is soooo gay!
19:43 <spiderman> so is joe
19:43 <philippeqc> Homophobia is soooo gay!
19:43 <DrJoeTron> im quite happy today ;)
19:43 <wrtlprnft> uh, spiderman rejoined? aww
19:43 <philippeqc> good answer
19:44 <spiderman> ....
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19:52 <spiderman> ....
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19:53 <wrtlprnft> …
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19:55 <wrtlprnft> spiderman: don't wanna join?
19:55 <wrtlprnft> laving is fun, believe me
19:55 <wrtlprnft> *leaving
19:55 <spiderman> did you hit your head?
19:56 <wrtlprnft> yeah. Did you? that's fun too
19:56 <wrtlprnft> use a big hammer
19:56 <philippeqc> or that think you use to make pie crust
19:57 <philippeqc> meat tenderiser leave an intreaging pattern! quite a conversation peice.
19:58 <wrtlprnft> try arranging a 500kg safe to hit you falling from a 5th–floor window
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19:59 <philippeqc> or organise to have an airplaine drop a penny on your head from ~5km
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20:00 <wrtlprnft> wouldn't hurt a lot :(
20:00 <philippeqc> not until it touches you
20:00 <wrtlprnft> still wouldn't
20:00 <wrtlprnft> terminal velocity of a penny in air is too small and the penny too light
20:01 <philippeqc> you need to consult your urban legends... from the cn tower its supposed to reach a terminal velocity high enough to go through you
20:01 <wrtlprnft> maybe if you somehow manage to have it falling exactly vertically
20:01 <philippeqc> recall that the penny has quite a density there
20:02 <spiderman> a penny dropped out of a plane going about 300 +/- kmh would hurt
20:02 <wrtlprnft> tin foil has quite a high density too
20:02 <philippeqc> how fast do bullets travel?
20:02 <wrtlprnft> and it won't hurt you either
20:02 <spiderman> if you smash it
20:02 <spiderman> normal foil will just float
20:03 <philippeqc> let call the myth busters!
20:03 <spiderman> #g speed of bullets
20:03 <wrtlprnft> they did that already.
20:03 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:03 <spiderman> :D
20:03 <philippeqc> o
20:03 <wrtlprnft> spiderman: normal foil does have a high density
20:03 <spiderman> but if you just break a sheet off it'll float in the air
20:03 <philippeqc> its just that foil has way too much area for the mass
20:04 <spiderman> you have to crumble it into a ball
20:04 <wrtlprnft> http://www.gantless.com/paper.html
20:05 <wrtlprnft> i'm just saying that a high density always means a high terminal velocity
20:05 <wrtlprnft> > CONCLUSION: Reject the hypothesis and instead accept that a penny falling at terminal velocity will not kill a person. After reviewing the table of terminal velocities, a penny may fall faster than a Ping-Pong ball, but certainly not any faster than a basketball. These terminal velocities convert to about 20-45 mph (32-72 kph). This may cause a bit of a sting, but it is not going to kill a person. For further confirmation, Dennis Thompson tells about dropping pennies in a vacuum [5]. He says the pennies simply bounce several feet high, but the impact leaves no visible marks on the penny. Although the fall from the Empire State Building is three times that of the vacuum chamber, a penny certainly will not fall faster in air than in this chamber thus making pennies non-lethal.
20:05 <spiderman> not a sheet of tin foil
20:05 <wrtlprnft> that's about pennies
20:06 <wrtlprnft> that a sheet of tin foil isn't gonna kill anyone should be obvious.
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20:06 <spiderman> a basketball would hurt more than a penny though
20:07  * spiderman knows that much
20:07 <wrtlprnft> well, that's what that text is saying
20:08 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: so dropping a penny onto spidey from whatever height is a bad idea
20:08 <philippeqc> should the shape of a polygon zone be allowed to change? I mean beside scaling, rotation, and deplacing its center, to like move one of the corners of a triangle
20:08 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:09 <wrtlprnft> make them all tValues!
20:09 <wrtlprnft> ;)
20:09 <philippeqc> they are, but I'd need to save the expression string of all of them and send it over the network...
20:09 <spiderman> philippeqc, 1000mph
20:09 <philippeqc> ok
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20:10 <spiderman> though i'd think the amount of grain in the shell would make it faster or slower
20:10 <wrtlprnft> grain?
20:10 <spiderman> gunpowder?
20:10 <wrtlprnft> like, wheat?
20:10 <philippeqc> shotgun shot I'd guess, or powder
20:10 <wrtlprnft> it depends on the type of gun, probably
20:10 <spiderman> muskets use grain
20:11 <philippeqc> and gangs use muskets
20:11 <spiderman> no
20:11 <spiderman> it depends on the shell
20:11 <philippeqc> drive by musket shooting!
20:11 <spiderman> the more gunpowder the faster
20:11 <spiderman> and the more kick it has O.o
20:11 <spiderman> if you've ever bought bullets read the box
20:12 <spiderman> it'll say something like "grain level"
20:12 <wrtlprnft> i'm pretty sure that if you use so much gunpowder the bullet doesn't fit into the gun anymore its speed will be rather slow
20:12  * wrtlprnft never bought a box of bullets
20:12 <philippeqc> I can imagine the movie scene. Comes in your stereopical gang member in a bank, pulls a musket from his pants and start to shout "this is a hold up"
20:12  * wrtlprnft doesn't live in crazy america where everyone bears a gun
20:12 <spiderman> ugh
20:12 <spiderman> the bullet's shape doesn't change
20:13 <spiderman> the shell can be shorter or longer aslong as it fits in the chamber
20:13 <spiderman> just like you can fire a .45 bullet from a 357
20:14  * wrtlprnft isn't interested about gun details
20:14 <philippeqc> fires one shot, goes to his knee, pull the long brush, clean his musket, rip open a pack of powder between his teeth, put the powder in, put the ball in, put the paper, use the other side of the brush to pack it deep, then continue "if you all cooperate, nobody will get hurt"
20:14 <wrtlprnft> it's bad enough they work.
20:15 <philippeqc> agrees with wrt.
20:15 <spiderman> guns don't kill people
20:15 <spiderman> morons do
20:15 <wrtlprnft> oh, really.
20:15 <spiderman> it takes someone to pull the trigger doesn't it?
20:15 <philippeqc> atomic bombs dont kill people
20:16 <philippeqc> antrax doesnt kill people
20:16 <spiderman> no the government does
20:16 <spiderman> :D
20:16 <spiderman> anthrax is different
20:16 <spiderman> it doesn't need something to set it off
20:16 <wrtlprnft> well, the fact that spiderman bought a box of bullets makes me happy i'm nowhere near him
20:16 <philippeqc> someone must open the fial
20:17 <wrtlprnft> otherwise i'd have to live in fear
20:17 <wrtlprnft> a moron could kill me with spiderman's gun
20:17 <spiderman> i live in the country
20:17 <spiderman> a tree would stop the bullet before it even got close to a house
20:17 <spiderman> besides i went through gun training when i was  in 5th grade
20:17 <philippeqc> make me so warm and fuzzy about taking walks in the woods
20:18 <spiderman> your fault :p
20:18  * philippeqc goes back to haking code rather than talking guns
20:18 <wrtlprnft> spiderman: well, the problem is that there's probably ways you and your gun could get close to a nearby house, avoiding the trees
20:18 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: good idea.
20:18 <philippeqc> ty
20:18 <spiderman> wrtlprnft, i didn't say i shoot towards the woods did i?
20:19 <philippeqc> so, the points of a polygon. expression or not?
20:19 <spiderman> i said a tree would stop the bullet
20:19 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: leave it at coords for now, but make sure you make it easy to make it tValues later
20:19 <wrtlprnft> if needed
20:19 <philippeqc> they are already tValues::expr I just realised
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20:44 <wrtlprnft> >>> Emerging (1 of 853) sys-libs/zlib-1.2.3 to /
20:45 <wrtlprnft> why do i have the feeling this is gonna take a while?
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20:49 <spidey> #g 5120000bytes in MB
20:49 <armabot> 5,120,000 bytes = 4.8828125 megabytes
20:49 <spidey> #g 5120000kbytes in MB
20:49 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:49 <spidey> #g 5120000KB in MB
20:49 <armabot> 5,120,000 kilobytes = 5,000 megabytes
20:50 <spidey> heh
20:50 <wrtlprnft> 5120000KB are NOT 5000MB
20:50 <wrtlprnft> 5120000KB are 5120MB, period.
20:51 <spidey> ...
20:51 <wrtlprnft> 1 MB = 1000 KB
20:51 <spidey> no
20:51 <wrtlprnft> 1 MiB = 1024 KiB
20:51 <spidey> 1mb = 1024kb
20:51 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:51 <wrtlprnft> no, they aren't
20:51 <spidey> either way it's the conversion i need -_-
20:52 <wrtlprnft> well, because google is wrong
20:52 <spidey> #g 6,000MB in KB
20:52 <armabot> 6,000 megabytes = 6,144,000 kilobytes
20:52 <wrtlprnft> #g 6000MiB in KiB
20:52 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:52 <wrtlprnft> Google's calculator should be shot.
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20:54 <spidey> 1 Byte = 8 Bit
20:54 <spidey> 1 Kilobyte = 1024 Bytes
20:54 <spidey> 1 Megabyte = 1048576 Bytes
20:54 <spidey> 1 Gigabyte = 1073741824 Bytes
20:54 <spidey> http://webdeveloper.earthweb.com/repository/javascripts/2001/04/41291/byteconverter.htm
20:55 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte
20:55 <wrtlprnft> 1 SI kilobyte = 1000 bytes
20:55 <Luke-Jr_work__> no
20:56 <Luke-Jr_work__> Google's calculator is right
20:56 <wrtlprnft> 1 IEC 60027-2 KiB = 1024 bytes
20:56 <spidey> Luke-Jr,  agrees with me? O.o
20:56 <Luke-Jr_work__> 1024 bytes is 1 KB
20:56 <wrtlprnft> no
20:56 <Luke-Jr_work__> yes
20:56 <wrtlprnft> in popular usuage by jerks maybe
20:56 <wrtlprnft> not in SI
20:57  * wrtlprnft refers to the table in the above link
20:57 <Luke-Jr_work__> since KB existed
20:57 <wrtlprnft> they should have always been called KiB
20:57 <Luke-Jr_work__> nonsense
20:57 <wrtlprnft> if you bother to look at what wget outputs you'd see it consequently uses KiB and MiB
20:58 <Luke-Jr_work__> they should have been hex tho
20:58 <Luke-Jr_work__> wget is wrong then
20:58 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte 
20:58 <Luke-Jr_work__> it's also wrong
20:58 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix#Binary_prefixes_using_SI_symbols_.28non-standard.2C_but_common.29
20:59 <wrtlprnft> 1 KB being 1000 bytes is NOT a standard
20:59 <Luke-Jr_work__> exactly
20:59 <wrtlprnft> there you go
20:59 <wrtlprnft> err
21:00 <wrtlprnft> 1 KB being 1024 bytes is NOT a standard
21:00 <spidey> lmao
21:00 <wrtlprnft> x_X typo
21:00 <wrtlprnft> >…many continue to use the SI prefixes in a binary sense, despite the lack of support from official bodies
21:01 <Luke-Jr_work__> SI is a bug
21:01 <Luke-Jr_work__> KB etc are not SI origin
21:01 <wrtlprnft> the prefixes K, M, G etc are
21:01 <Luke-Jr_work__> doesn't matter
21:01 <wrtlprnft> does
21:02 <spidey> isn't that weight?
21:02 <Luke-Jr_work__> nope
21:02 <spidey> kili mili and gram?
21:02 <wrtlprnft> what's weight?
21:02 <Luke-Jr_work__> SI should never have existed
21:02 <wrtlprnft> one kilogram is mass
21:02 <wrtlprnft> one newton is weight x_X
21:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_work__: ?
21:02 <Luke-Jr_work__> SI is a flawed concept
21:02 <spidey> .....
21:02 <wrtlprnft> …
21:02 <Luke-Jr_work__> it is based on decimal
21:02 <wrtlprnft> so what?
21:02 <Luke-Jr_work__> decimal sucks
21:02 <wrtlprnft> that's what numbers are commonly written in
21:03 <Luke-Jr_work__> irrelevant
21:03 <wrtlprnft> sucks if you wanna convert it to binary maybe
21:03 <Luke-Jr_work__> sucks for anything
21:03 <wrtlprnft> well, what's so special about hex then?
21:03 <spidey> hmm
21:03 <Luke-Jr_work__> it's logical
21:03 <spidey> Luke-Jr, does cpanel handle disk quato?
21:03 <wrtlprnft> what's logical about it?
21:03 <spidey> quota
21:03 <Luke-Jr_work__> spidey: handle how?
21:03 <spidey> Disk quotas for user acid (uid 32009): 
21:03 <spidey>      Filesystem  blocks   quota   limit   grace   files   quota   limit   grace
21:03 <spidey>       /dev/hda2 1112428  5120000 5120000            2150       0       0        
21:03 <Luke-Jr_work__> wrtlprnft: it's a power of 2
21:03 <spidey> that's in my cpanel dir
21:03 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_work__: so what?
21:04 <Luke-Jr_work__> wrtlprnft: never mind
21:04 <wrtlprnft> it would be entirely possible to base a computer on three different states
21:04 <wrtlprnft> then you'd need powers of 3
21:04 <Luke-Jr_work__> so? still doesn't get you 10
21:04 <wrtlprnft> a system of 27 maybe
21:04 <wrtlprnft> i'm just saying there's no point in preferring any base
21:04 <wrtlprnft> and as 10 is what people are most likely to deal with it's being used. period.
21:05 <Luke-Jr_work__> please tell me what 100/8 is, and explain why it can't be simple
21:05 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:05 <Luke-Jr_work__> halving is an easier operation
21:05 <Luke-Jr_work__> divide a space into 10, or divide it into 8
21:05 <wrtlprnft> in base 10.
21:05 <Luke-Jr_work__> dividing it into 8 will be more accurate
21:05 <wrtlprnft> in base ten dividing by 2 is easy
21:05 <wrtlprnft> in base 9 it isn't
21:05 <Luke-Jr_work__> hardly
21:06 <wrtlprnft> ten is two times 5
21:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> so/
21:06 <wrtlprnft> so naturally dividing by 2 and 5 is easy
21:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> draw a square
21:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> and divide it in 10 exact pieces
21:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> on paper
21:06 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> then try 8 or 16 exact pieces
21:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> and see which is more accurate
21:06 <wrtlprnft> i half the square
21:07 <wrtlprnft> then take fifths of each half
21:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> ok, do it
21:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> http://www.intuitor.com/hex/switch.html
21:08 <Luke-Jr_work__> there's a Java app as part of the examples
21:08 <wrtlprnft> where's my camera? :o
21:09 <spidey> where's httpd.conf stored?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> /etc
21:09 <wrtlprnft> or /etc/apache2
21:09 <wrtlprnft> find /etc -name httpd.conf
21:09 <Luke-Jr_work__> locate httpd.conf
21:09 <spidey> doesn't work :p
21:10 <spidey> i don't have root so i can't updatedb
21:10 <spidey> acid@server [~]# find /etc -name httpd.conf
21:10 <spidey> acid@server [~]#
21:11 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_work__: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/lukebs.jpg
21:11 <spidey> lol
21:12 <wrtlprnft> didn't use a ruler
21:12 <Luke-Jr_work__> looks pretty inaccurate ;)
21:12 <wrtlprnft> hence they're probably not EXACTLY equeal
21:12 <spidey> i'd hope not
21:12 <spidey> lol
21:12 <Luke-Jr_work__> EVEN W/ THE GUIDES =P
21:12 <wrtlprnft> well, wouldn't have been any different with 8 pieces
21:13 <wrtlprnft> i just can't draw straight dashed lines
21:13 <spidey> i'm confused
21:13 <Luke-Jr_work__> who said dashed?
21:13 <spidey> Server version: Apache/1.3.36 (Unix)
21:13 <Luke-Jr_work__> now take the Java test
21:13 <spidey> there's no httpd.conf
21:14 <Luke-Jr_work__> ancient apache ve
21:14 <spidey> find: httpd.conf: No such file or directory
21:14 <Luke-Jr_work__> r
21:14 <Luke-Jr_work__> ...
21:14 <Luke-Jr_work__> find /etc -name httpd.conf
21:14 <spidey> it's not there
21:14 <spidey> i'm looking in /etc
21:14 <spidey> there's not a /apache either
21:14 <spidey> host.conf is the only "h" in /etc
21:15 <wrtlprnft> well
21:15 <spidey> Luke-Jr_work__, you have ssh to the server look for yourself :p
21:15 <wrtlprnft> obviously you get more pixel errors with 5 lines than with 2
21:15 <wrtlprnft> i can make such a test too
21:15 <wrtlprnft> a) divide into 5 equeal parts
21:15 <wrtlprnft> b) divide into 2048 equeal parts
21:15 <wrtlprnft> see where you get less error
21:16 <Luke-Jr_work__> b) divide into 8 equal parts
21:17 <Luke-Jr_work__> b will be more accurate
21:18 <wrtlprnft> anyways, base 10 can be written with out current system without a risk of mixing it up with words
21:19 <wrtlprnft> 170ants vs aaants
21:20 <wrtlprnft> *with out current system
21:21 <spidey> i want a yottabyte ;o
21:21 <spidey> #g 1YB in MB
21:21 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:21 <spidey> ?
21:22 <spidey> #g 1 EB in MB
21:22 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:22 <spidey> #g 1 yottabyte in MB
21:22 <armabot> 1 yottabyte = 1.1529215 * 10^(18) megabytes
21:22 <spidey> O.o
21:22 <wrtlprnft> wrong, once again
21:23 <spidey> #g 1.1529215 * 10^(18)
21:23 <armabot> 1.1529215 * (10^18) = 1.1529215 * 10^(18)
21:23 <spidey> ...
21:23 <Luke-Jr_work__> its right =p
21:23 <wrtlprnft> if google loves base 16 so much, why shouldn't it say 1 yottabyte = 1*16^15 megabytes?
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21:24 <Luke-Jr_work__> byte units aren't base 16
21:24 <wrtlprnft> or actually, 1*10^F megabytes?
21:25 <wrtlprnft> or 1*10^10010 megabytes?
21:25 <Luke-Jr_work__> 2^10
21:25 <Luke-Jr_work__> 2^20
21:25 <Luke-Jr_work__> etc
21:25 <wrtlprnft> 2^10?
21:25 <wrtlprnft> why 10?
21:25 <wrtlprnft> why not 16 or 8?
21:25 <Luke-Jr_work__> 2^10 is a KB
21:25 <wrtlprnft> why?
21:26 <philippeqc> because it falls so close
21:26 <wrtlprnft> (btw, kilo = greek/latin word for a thousand)
21:26 <Luke-Jr_work__> cuz that's what it's defined as
21:26 <wrtlprnft> a kilo is defined as 1000
21:26 <wrtlprnft> not as something close to it
21:26 <wrtlprnft> as 1000 exactly.
21:26 <Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good if you don't deviate from roots
21:26 <Luke-Jr_work__> English is not greek/latin
21:26 <wrtlprnft> if Luke-Jr_work__ doesn't care about human history in base 10, why does he care about being close to 1000?
21:26 <philippeqc> 'cause its hard to make 1000 byte chip, and easy (ier) to make 1024 bytes chip
21:27 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i know that
21:27 <Luke-Jr_work__> wrtlprnft: I don't. KB should be 4096
21:27 <Luke-Jr_work__> but KB *is* 1024
21:27 <wrtlprnft> KB *is not* 1024
21:27 <wrtlprnft> period
21:27 <Luke-Jr_work__> it is
21:27 <wrtlprnft> SI defined it first.
21:27 <Luke-Jr_work__> nope
21:27 <spidey> isn't SI metric?
21:27 <philippeqc> its an abuse on notation
21:27 <Luke-Jr_work__> more or less
21:27 <wrtlprnft> 1960…
21:27 <Luke-Jr_work__> 1960 defined KB?
21:28 <Luke-Jr_work__> I doubt it
21:28 <wrtlprnft> SI was created 1960
21:28 <Luke-Jr_work__> KB wasn't part of SI originally, I'd bet
21:28 <philippeqc> SI comes from the 1800 (not directly), when the french during the revolution changed their system
21:28 <wrtlprnft> the prefix kilo was defined
21:28 <Luke-Jr_work__> so?
21:28 <wrtlprnft> with it all kilo*something*
21:28 <Luke-Jr_work__> nah
21:28 <wrtlprnft> kilo–apples
21:29 <wrtlprnft> kilo–grams
21:29 <wrtlprnft> kilo–anything
21:29 <Luke-Jr_work__> anyway
21:29 <Luke-Jr_work__> like I said, SI should never have existed
21:29 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: if your an engineer making chip, and you talk with your cooworkers about that 1024 bytes of memory (in the 1960/70)
21:29 <wrtlprnft> 1000 should never have existed
21:29 <philippeqc> its easy to describe it at 1k rather than always say 1024
21:29 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you should talk about 1 KiB
21:30 <wrtlprnft> don't tell me that extra i causes trouble.
21:30 <philippeqc> Ki?
21:30 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:30 <Luke-Jr_work__> 1024 had KB first
21:30 <philippeqc> what is Ki
21:30 <Luke-Jr_work__> SI can use KiloB =p
21:30 <spidey> kibibyte
21:31 <philippeqc> o
21:31 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefixes#IEC_standard_prefixes
21:31 <wrtlprnft> btw IEC is NOT SI
21:32 <spidey> ....
21:33 <wrtlprnft> i'm not saying hex would have been a bad idea
21:34 <Luke-Jr_work__> use ΔΣΨΩλμ as additional digits for hex wrtlprnft=p
21:34 <wrtlprnft> suuure
21:34 <wrtlprnft> poor greek people
21:34 <Luke-Jr_work__> or use totally new digits
21:34 <Luke-Jr_work__> that make sense
21:34 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_work__: well, if anyone's gonna switch to hex…
21:34 <wrtlprnft> i bet the americans will be the last to do it
21:34 <wrtlprnft> same as with SI
21:34 <wrtlprnft> the world uses SI
21:35 <Luke-Jr_work__> Americans already use hex for some units ;)
21:35 <wrtlprnft> the americans use their weird system
21:35 <philippeqc> I say we should have stayed with a base 12 or 60,
21:35 <Luke-Jr_work__> fluid measurements
21:35 <Luke-Jr_work__> actually
21:35 <Luke-Jr_work__> that's binary, not hex
21:36 <philippeqc> with base 12, you can count to 144 with both hands. beats the "counting to 20 without socks on "
21:36 <Luke-Jr_work__> how do you count in base 12 with hands?
21:36 <wrtlprnft> with base 2 you can count to 1024
21:36 <Luke-Jr_work__> you can get to 35 with base 6...
21:36 <wrtlprnft> err
21:37 <wrtlprnft> 1023
21:37 <Luke-Jr_work__> and 1023 w/ base 2
21:37 <Luke-Jr_work__> yeah
21:37 <philippeqc> use your tumb to count the "fallenges" of your fingers... 12 of them per hand
21:37 <wrtlprnft> you can do it like the japanese
21:37 <Luke-Jr_work__> philippeqc: I have a test for you
21:37 <wrtlprnft> have the numbers mean something different depending if you hold your hand upright or upside down
21:37 <Luke-Jr_work__> count to 4 in binary on your hands
21:37 <Luke-Jr_work__> then keep your hands on 4
21:37 <Luke-Jr_work__> and go outside and wave the 4 around
21:38  * wrtlprnft counts
21:38 <Luke-Jr_work__> then do the same for 132
21:38 <wrtlprnft> 1: his thumb
21:38 <wrtlprnft> 2: his other thumb
21:38 <wrtlprnft> 3: the first thumb
21:38 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr_work__: despite your small time jokes, base 12 (finger counting) was used way before base 10 (finger counting)
21:38 <wrtlprnft> 4: both thumbs
21:39 <wrtlprnft> err
21:39 <wrtlprnft> 1: his thumb
21:39 <wrtlprnft> 2: his other thumb
21:39 <wrtlprnft> 3: both thumbs
21:39 <wrtlprnft> 4: the index finger on the hand with the first thumb
21:39 <wrtlprnft> no problem there…
21:39 <Luke-Jr_work__> =p
21:39 <philippeqc> 12 is dividable by 1,2,3,4,6,12. 10 is by 1,2,5,10.
21:40  * wrtlprnft notes that 16 is REALLY incredibly boring
21:40 <philippeqc> ;)
21:40 <wrtlprnft> divisible by 1,2,4,16
21:40 <philippeqc> 8
21:40 <wrtlprnft> o well
21:40 <wrtlprnft> if you like
21:40 <philippeqc> ;)
21:40 <philippeqc> I'm that kind of person
21:40 <wrtlprnft> i wouldn't mind any system if it's the way we write down numbers
21:41 <wrtlprnft> as basically everyone is grown up writing down numbers in base 10 and is most comfortable that way, base 10 is the way to go for units
21:41 <philippeqc> of course, you have to assume everybody would use a base 12 system, kids would learn to count like that, etc... Just like we do with 10 today
21:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:42 <wrtlprnft> but this isn't gonna happen soon
21:42 <wrtlprnft> and as I said, the last place it's gonna happen is the US
21:42 <philippeqc> the french/SI idea to have all the units a multible of the base is also very good. Simplify a lots of things
21:43 <philippeqc> yep, the only place where they keep getting guns to protect themsefl agains the king of england (even thought there havent in quite some years), they still use the imperial system. ;)
21:43 <spidey> Luke-Jr_work__, 
21:44 <spidey> you know you got 2 of those test servers running with the password in the options thingy?
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21:48 <wrtlprnft> see, i usually …dislike… the french language for being too complex and causing me to almost fail a grade
21:48 <wrtlprnft> but SI is a good thing.
21:49 <philippeqc> they where quite.... ---hummm--- inspired after the revolution. Even renamed the days, weeks and months. 
21:50 <philippeqc> french has its complexity, but I can read texte from ~1000 and still understand. 
21:51 <philippeqc> sorry, ~1170
21:52 <wrtlprnft> they never went to make it easier x_X
21:52 <Luke-Jr_work__> spidey: only 1 running, don't ask me why it's on the list twice
21:52 <Luke-Jr_work__> I think
21:53 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_work__: anyways, for that hexcloc thing, why divide time into days?
21:53 <wrtlprnft> *hexclock
21:54 <wrtlprnft> it's completely abitraray
21:54 <wrtlprnft> it would be way more convinient to measure time in some constant thingy
21:55 <wrtlprnft> for example measure it in vibrations of an atom of Cesium–133
21:58 <philippeqc> kick ass, just found a pdf copy of the frist french (and first breton) dictionary! originally written in 1464, that copy is an edition from 1499
21:58 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:58 <Luke-Jr_work__> wrtlprnft: it is
21:58 <Luke-Jr_work__> I think
21:59 <wrtlprnft> is what?
21:59 <wrtlprnft> is sucky?
21:59 <wrtlprnft> the rotation speed of earth isn't constant btw, and thus not a good thing to base a unit on
22:00 <Luke-Jr_work__> time isn't constant =p
22:01 <philippeqc> i read a story that the kilo is still not defined, it is compared. There is a reference 5 kilo, made of platinum, kept (and thats the good part) in a safe in some french castle. When I heard that, I though, "darn, it be really fun to go and steal it James Bond style"
22:01 <wrtlprnft> in newton's system it is
22:02 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: there is a master kilogram in france somewhere…
22:02 <philippeqc> yes
22:02 <wrtlprnft> and it's slowly losing mass
22:02 <philippeqc> they are having problem, because it is evaporating and loosing mass
22:02 <philippeqc> oups, same comment
22:03 <wrtlprnft> so in fact kilograms are hit by inflation!
22:03 <wrtlprnft> buy kilograms now, have more later!
22:03 <philippeqc> lol
22:03 <philippeqc> think of it, braking into a castle, dodging some security system, and grabbing THE LAST reference unit! 
22:05 <wrtlprnft> what about we just base the unit of a kilogram on a certain number of c13 atoms in diamond form?
22:05 <wrtlprnft> makes more sense to me
22:05 <philippeqc> yep, they are talking about making a definition out of it
22:06 <wrtlprnft> mol should be taken out os SI anyways.
22:06 <wrtlprnft> it just isn't a unit
22:06 <wrtlprnft> it's a f*** number!
22:06 <philippeqc> humm, been too long for that one.
22:07 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:07 <philippeqc> they must have based that one on some reason
22:07 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 mol in atoms
22:07 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:07 <wrtlprnft> #g avodadro's number
22:07 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:07 <wrtlprnft> #g avogadro's number
22:07 <armabot> Avogadro's number = 6.0221415 * 10^(23)
22:07 <wrtlprnft> there ya go, that's number!
22:07 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 mol
22:07 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:07 <wrtlprnft> google doesn't even know it
22:08 <philippeqc> I dont think you can remove it.
22:08 <philippeqc> a gram molecule is a mole of the molecules:
22:08 <philippeqc> y grams of a molecule whose relative molecular mass is y, will contain 6.022 x 1023 molecules.
22:09 <wrtlprnft> i still don't get it
22:09 <philippeqc> so that mean you have 1 mole H1 for 1 gram 
22:10 <philippeqc> H1 == Hydrogen 1
22:10 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i know
22:10 <philippeqc> 1 proton 
22:10 <wrtlprnft> but it still doesn't make it a unit to me
22:10 <wrtlprnft> it's a special number
22:10 <philippeqc> well, gram is (mesured not defined) and you cant change that, so much much H1 in 1 gram of H1 ==> 1 mole
22:11 <wrtlprnft> btw, 1 gram of H1 is not 1 mole x_X
22:11 <wrtlprnft> it's actually less
22:12 <wrtlprnft> the proton in H1 has more energy than the protons and neutrons in C12
22:12 <philippeqc> on earth, in average, 1 mol Hydrogen is about 1.02 gram 'cause of isotopes. but if you clean it up and get only H1, then thats the 1g
22:12 <wrtlprnft> *than each of the protons and neutrons
22:12 <wrtlprnft> #g mass of 1 mol hydrogen
22:12 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:12 <wrtlprnft> look at any periodic table
22:13 <wrtlprnft> like wikipedia or kalzium
22:14 <philippeqc> "The basis for the number named after Avogadro is the number of atoms of 12Carbon in 12 grams of 12Carbon."
22:14 <wrtlprnft> 1 atom of H1 has a mass of 1.00782 mol^-1 g
22:14 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yeah
22:15 <wrtlprnft> but that doesn't mean 13 grams of 13Carbon will have the same number of atoms
22:15 <wrtlprnft> 1 atom of 12C weigs 12 mol^(-1)g
22:16 <wrtlprnft> 1 atom of 13C weigs 13.0034 mol^(-1)g
22:16 <wrtlprnft> s/weighs/has a mass of/g
22:16 <philippeqc> humm
22:17 <wrtlprnft> it's all e=mc² man ;)
22:18 <philippeqc> well, hummm, haaaa, let blame it on the freemasons
22:19 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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22:22 <Vanhayes> rpig's new server is intense
22:22 <Vanhayes> er pig's*
22:22 <wrtlprnft> which one?
22:22 <Vanhayes> the combo of all the old mods
22:23 <Vanhayes> well not nw server but ne mod
22:23 <Vanhayes> new*
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22:36 <madmax|pt> hi
22:36 <philippeqc> hi
22:38 <spidey> fsfjsl;kdjfl;ksjdflk;sjdf
22:39 <Your_mom_arma> hey
22:39 <Vanhayes> hello
22:39 <wrtlprnft> this community hates any change really
22:39 <Your_mom_arma> #m wrtlprnft yeah
22:39 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
22:39 <Your_mom_arma> heh
22:40 <Vanhayes> I love change myself
22:40 <Vanhayes> I love change, myself would be better actually
22:40 <wrtlprnft> #leter tell *mom* well, it was because you used player data in the top widget. you shouldn't do that anyways
22:40 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *mom* well, it was because you used player data in the top widget. you shouldn't do that anyways
22:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:41 <Your_mom_arma> #m wrtlprnft detail it in the wiki so i dont do it twice
22:41 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
22:41 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *mom* i wouldn't be surprised if it was already there…
22:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:42 <Your_mom_arma> i barely know what im doing
22:42 <wrtlprnft> >Finally all gauges support the viewport attribute. Possible values are "top" and "all", the latter being the default. "top" means that the widget will be rendered on top of the screen, "all" means it will be rendered for every player in multiplayer mode. Some data sources are only available in "all" mode, but you might not want a separate map for each player, so choose "top" then.
22:42 <Your_mom_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=90181#90181
22:42 <wrtlprnft> some sources are not available in “all” mode ← crash
22:42 <Vanhayes> hmm for some reason when ever someone talks in here armagetron skips
22:43 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i think i should make a better replacement for #armaservers
22:44 <Your_mom_arma> arma uses 100%cpu + recieving irc client packets so im not suprised it hiccups
22:44 <spidey> ?
22:45 <spidey> arma runs fine on a 1ghz pc
22:45 <spidey> with irc firefox yahoo and msn running
22:45 <MaZuffeR> this is only to make van lag
22:45 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins.Web.fetch.maximum 500
22:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:45  * spidey is calling tech support -_-
22:45 <wrtlprnft> that should make for some easier external plugins
22:46 <Your_mom_arma> arma eats up 100%cpu on your proc spidey
22:46 <spidey> yes
22:46 <spidey> i'm on 2.4ghz
22:46 <spidey> this pc
22:46 <Your_mom_arma> exactly
22:46 <spidey> but my 1ghz box runs it fine with other stuff running
22:47 <Your_mom_arma> so if you had a phat inefficiant irc client any messages you recieved would change your fps in arma
22:47 <philippeqc> hi mom!
22:47 <Your_mom_arma> hey
22:47 <philippeqc> how is my biggest supporter?
22:48 <Your_mom_arma> doing fine :-D
22:48 <spidey> 'all our agents are busy helping other customers, please wait
22:48 <spidey> !dlkfjs;lkgj;dlkfjg;lkdjfglkjsdflgkjsdfg!!
22:48 <philippeqc> have you had the chance to read my response?
22:48 <Your_mom_arma> Yes http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=90181#90181
22:49 <philippeqc> how come I didnt see your answer!!!!
22:49 <Your_mom_arma> blame the liberal media
22:49 <madmax|pt> msn lags a lot...
22:50 <spidey> wow, i got a nice tech support guy i don't have to bitch at
22:51 <philippeqc> now I remember that picture
22:52 <philippeqc> why hovering? why not on the floor?
22:52 <spidey> -_-
22:53 <Your_mom_arma> well i just assumed it would have to be above the floor for it to be visable
22:53 <spidey> omg
22:53 <spidey> 'they can't garuntee the upload speed, just the download'
22:53 <spidey> what bullshit >:|
22:53 <philippeqc> I guess it could be just on the floor, but I'd need to check that.
22:54 <philippeqc> border + fill parameter
22:55 <Your_mom_arma> well on the floor would be fine
22:55 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
22:56 <Your_mom_arma> you could have both renderings if you wanted to make it an option (and/or)rendering switch in a map file
22:56 <philippeqc> as for the decoration of the "classic" zone, I still need to re-read how to do textures in opengl
22:57 <philippeqc> yes
22:57 <wrtlprnft> #onlineplayers
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: This data is 34 seconds old; "$*TrApStAr*$" (Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress ), $crabbzy (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), *Punk* ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), *~*kitty*~* (Norm's Place), .MaCbEtH ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), 135er cLyD (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), 135er T 2the E (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), 135er-Tölse (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), 2020 ( |AST| (1 more message)
22:57 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress), <{nc}> KingNoob (.Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas| Low-rubber), ={S}=TaTToo (~|DS|~DarkSyndi
22:57 <wrtlprnft> x_X
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins.Web.fetch.maximum 2000
22:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: That's all, there is no more.
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #onlineplayers
22:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: This data is 7 seconds old; "$*TrApStAr*$" (Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress ), $crabbzy (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), *Punk* ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), *~*kitty*~* (Norm's Place), .MaCbEtH ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), 135er cLyD (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), 135er T 2the E (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), 135er-Tölse (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), 2020 ( |AST| (4 more messages)
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress), <{nc}> KingNoob (.Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas| Low-rubber), ={S}=TaTToo (~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit}), alf ( |AST|  Fortress), Alpha (Norm's Place), Brandon ( Wild West - Fortress  (Bugfarm)), Canada ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), chat.bot ( |AST|  Fortress), Chibi-Robo (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), City Cabs (armagetron.nixda.net (Original)), ct|SeBoL158 (4 Team Fourtress {By WPN (3 more messages)
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Clan}                                                                                   ), CT×Wargasm (4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan}                                                                                   ), d43m0n (Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress ), darkben (4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan}                                                                                   ), Dawson_dc (Crazy Tronners (2 more messages)
22:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Wild Fortress ), de|CTxPTA ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), Ding Dong Dead (Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress ), Erik (Strawberry Fields), fabiencamus (~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit}), Gigantron bone ( Wild West - Sumo  (Bugfarm)), GluGGsel ( Wild West - Fortress  (Bugfarm)), JDawg (Norm's Place), John (Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress ), Lite (Norm's Place), ljsnfvjnsdv;ks; (.Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas| Low- (1 more message)
22:58 <Vanhayes> argh
22:58 <wrtlprnft> a bit much
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: rubber), Lord Ombra(sm) (Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress ), Maddog ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), MaZuffeR ( |AST|  Fortress), Meldaran (4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan}                                                                                   ), MToo (4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan}
23:00 <Your_mom_arma> whats with the huge spaces?
23:00 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:00 <wrtlprnft> huge spaces?
23:00 <wrtlprnft> argh
23:00 <Vanhayes> {By WPN Clan}                                                                                   ), MToo (4 Team F
23:00 <Your_mom_arma> "(4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan}                                                                                   ), MToo (4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan}"
23:00 <Your_mom_arma> heh yeah
23:00 <wrtlprnft> it's got tons of trailing spaces
23:01 <wrtlprnft> noticed that when programming armaspyad, ended up trimming it
23:01 <wrtlprnft> xixed
23:01 <wrtlprnft> *fixed
23:01 <wrtlprnft> wanna demonstration? ;)
23:02  * wrtlprnft is thinking about a #lastseen command that tells you when that person was last seen
23:02 <Your_mom_arma> on a server you mean?
23:02 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately that would mean my server'd have to store quite an amount of data
23:02 <wrtlprnft> but I'll try it
23:02 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:03 <wrtlprnft> currently it deletes old data
23:03 <wrtlprnft> i might just delete data older than 7 or so days, though
23:04 <Your_mom_arma> i could see that taking up too much space if someone decided to change names every round
23:04 <wrtlprnft> nah, i'd store something far different
23:04 <wrtlprnft> it's updating every minute
23:05 <wrtlprnft> and i'd just store who's online every minute
23:05 <wrtlprnft> don't feel like making it more complicated
23:05 <Your_mom_arma> 2 clients 8players and a script changing names every round even updatine once a minute would be a bit much especially over a 7 day period
23:07 <Your_mom_arma> #g minutes in a day
23:07 <armabot> 1 day = 1,440 minutes
23:07 <Your_mom_arma> #g 1440*7
23:07 <wrtlprnft> well, you can't get anything useful out of that
23:08 <armabot> An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:08 <wrtlprnft> as it's a mysql table it has some data overhead
23:08 <wrtlprnft> #g 1*2
23:08 <wrtlprnft> hello?
23:08 <Your_mom_arma> 80640 names
23:08 <armabot> 1 * 2 = 2
23:08 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
23:08 <armabot> pong
23:08 <wrtlprnft> as soon as it gets unbearably much i'll start pruning it
23:08 <philippeqc> #ding
23:08 <philippeqc> #ping
23:08 <armabot> pong
23:13 <wrtlprnft> #fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=alf
23:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: "You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'players.xtime AS xtime\nFROM\n\tserverinfo,\n\tplayers\nWHERE\n\tplayers.sid = serverinf' at line 4"
23:13 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:13 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:13 <wrtlprnft> #fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=alf
23:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: alf has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 302 seconds ago.
23:13 <wrtlprnft> nice
23:14 <wrtlprnft> need to check that later
23:14 <wrtlprnft> #fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=alf
23:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: alf has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 16 seconds ago.
23:14 <wrtlprnft> #alias add lastseen #fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=
23:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:15 <wrtlprnft> #alias add lastseen #fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=$1+$2+$3+$4+$5+$6+$7+$8+$9
23:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:16 <wrtlprnft> its data starts a few minutes ago, so i guess we just have to wait for it to become useful
23:16 <Your_mom_arma> #fetch player 1
23:16 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Error: 'player' is not a valid url.
23:16 <wrtlprnft> i might actually make server stats with that data
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #lastonline player 1
23:16 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: (lastseen <an alias, 9 arguments>) -- Alias for "#fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=$1+$2+$3+$4+$5+$6+$7+$8+$9".
23:16 <Vanhayes> ack
23:16 <wrtlprnft> argh
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #help alias
23:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "alias".
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #help alias add
23:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (alias add <name> <alias>) -- Defines an alias <name> that executes <alias>. The <alias> should be in the standard "command argument [nestedcommand argument]" arguments to the alias; they'll be filled with the first, second, etc. arguments. $1, $2, etc. can be used for required arguments. @1, @2, etc. can be used for optional arguments. $* simply means "all remaining arguments," and cannot be combined (1 more message)
23:17 <wrtlprnft> ah, i need @
23:17 <wrtlprnft> #alias add lastseen #fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=$1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9
23:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:17 <wrtlprnft> #lastseeen Vanhayes 
23:17 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:17 <wrtlprnft> hello?
23:18 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
23:18 <armabot> pong
23:18 <Your_mom_arma> idk
23:18 <wrtlprnft> #fetch
23:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (fetch <url>) -- Returns the contents of <url>, or as much as is configured in supybot.plugins.Web.fetch.maximum. If that configuration variable is set to 0, this command will be effectively disabled.
23:18 <wrtlprnft> #alias add lastseen fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=$1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9
23:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:18 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Vanhayes has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 34 seconds ago.
23:18 <wrtlprnft> there we go
23:18 <Vanhayes> lol nice
23:18 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen player 1
23:18 <wrtlprnft> i should convert that to minutes
23:18 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Player 1 has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 48 seconds ago.
23:18 <wrtlprnft> as seconds are useless in that case
23:19 <wrtlprnft> it updates every 60 seconds
23:19 <Vanhayes> hmm Your_mom_arma = player 1?
23:19 <Your_mom_arma> shh
23:19 <Vanhayes> lol
23:19 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma == player 7 :P
23:19 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: '<br />\n<b>Fatal error</b>:  Call to undefined function int() in <b>/www2/serverlist/lastseen.php</b> on line <b>23</b><br />\n'
23:19 <wrtlprnft> meh!
23:20 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Vanhayes has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 0 minutes ago.
23:20 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: leave!
23:20 <Vanhayes> lol ok
23:20 <Vanhayes> gone
23:20 <wrtlprnft> ty
23:20 <wrtlprnft> need to wait a few minutes
23:20 <Vanhayes> seeing as im not playing it doesnt matter :)
23:21 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen VaNhAyEs 
23:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Vanhayes has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 1 minutes ago.
23:22 <wrtlprnft> ah, at least one minute now :)
23:23 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen VaNhAyEs 
23:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Vanhayes has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 3 minutes ago.
23:23 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen 2020
23:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2020 seems to be on  |AST|  Fortress right now.
23:24 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen idontexist
23:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I haven't seen anyone matching “idontexist” yet, sorry.
23:26 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: now rejoin :P
23:41 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 21 minutes ago.
23:41 <Vanhayes> ok
23:44 <Luke-Jr_work__> #lastseen Luke-Jr
23:44 <armabot> Luke-Jr_work__: I haven't seen anyone matching “luke-jr” yet, sorry.
23:46 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:46 <spidey> #lastseen spidey
23:46 <armabot> spidey: I haven't seen anyone matching “spidey” yet, sorry.
23:46 <spidey> #lastseen spidey |mbc|
23:47 <armabot> spidey: I haven't seen anyone matching “spidey” yet, sorry.
23:47 <spidey> ...
23:47 <Vanhayes> #lastseen *spidey*
23:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “*spidey*” yet, sorry.
23:47 <Vanhayes> #lastseen *spidey
23:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “*spidey” yet, sorry.
23:47 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes seems to be on  |AST|  Fortress right now.
23:49 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ghableska
23:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “ghableska” yet, sorry.
23:49 <Vanhayes> #seen ghableska
23:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska was last seen in #armagetron 3 days, 23 hours, 1 minute, and 47 seconds ago: <ghableska> :D
23:49 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen sunnygirl
23:50 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: sunnygirl has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 26 minutes ago.
23:51 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen Player 1
23:51 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Player 1 has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 4 minutes ago.
23:51 <DrJoeTron> woweee thats neat
23:51 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:51 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen diggin
23:51 <armabot> DrJoeTron: I haven't seen anyone matching “diggin” yet, sorry.
23:51 <DrJoeTron> the kids must havge eaten him
23:52 <Your_mom_arma> you'ld rather chop off your on ding dong then not drink?
23:53 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
23:53 <philippeqc> #night
23:53 <DrJoeTron> new one soon
23:53 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
23:53 -!- philippeqc [n=philippe@c83-250-130-90.bredband.comhem.se] has quit ["Leaving"]
23:53 <Luke-Jr_work__> #lastseen groundpig
23:53 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: the data is only a few minutes old
23:53 <Luke-Jr_work__> #lastseen groundpig
23:53 <armabot> Luke-Jr_work__: I haven't seen anyone matching “groundpig” yet, sorry.
23:53 <armabot> Luke-Jr_work__: I haven't seen anyone matching “groundpig” yet, sorry.
23:54 <Vanhayes> #lastseen DrJoeTron 
23:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “drjoetron” yet, sorry.
23:54 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Dr Joe Tron 
23:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “dr tron” yet, sorry.
23:54 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:54 <Vanhayes> hmm ?
23:54 <Vanhayes> no joe?
23:54 <DrJoeTron> what can i say
23:54 <wrtlprnft> #alias add lastseen fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9
23:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:55 <DrJoeTron> i never play this game :p
23:55 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen Dr Joe Tron
23:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I haven't seen anyone matching “dr joe tron” yet, sorry.
23:55 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: go play for at least a minute and you're on the list
23:55 <spidey> #lastseen DrJoeTron
23:55 <armabot> spidey: I haven't seen anyone matching “drjoetron” yet, sorry.
23:55 <spidey> he doesn't use spaces
23:55 <spidey> :p
23:55 <DrJoeTron> I dont wanna be profiled!
23:56 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: then you can never ever play again :P
23:56 <DrJoeTron> thats cool
23:56 <DrJoeTron> good bye guys
23:57 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:58 <DrJoeTron> wow
23:58 <Vanhayes> lol use aliasss
23:58 <DrJoeTron> im not all that impressed with MGS4

Log from 2006-09-09:
--- Day changed Sat Sep 09 2006
00:00 <DrJoeTron> bbl
00:01 -!- Luke-Jr_work__ [n=ubuntu@rrcs-67-53-67-115.west.biz.rr.com] has left #armagetron ["Konversation terminated!"]
00:06 <Vanhayes> guess Luke-Jr is on his way home
00:09 <spidey> man
00:10 <Vanhayes> spidey man
00:11 <Vanhayes> does whatever a spidey can
00:11 <wrtlprnft> spidey: don't wana leave for another 2 days? it was so peaceful!
00:11 <Vanhayes> spins a web 
00:11 <Vanhayes> any size
00:11 <Your_mom_arma> is he stron listen bud he's got radioactive blood
00:11 <Your_mom_arma> strong*
00:11 <spidey> wrtlprnft, fuck off
00:12 <wrtlprnft> /team Sure.
00:12 <Vanhayes> catches theives just like flys
00:12 <Vanhayes> look out here comes the spidey man
00:12 <spidey> ...
00:13 <Vanhayes> nun nun nun nun nun nun SPIDEY MAN
00:13 <Vanhayes> er wait...
00:13 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Icarus
00:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “icarus” yet, sorry.
00:14 <Vanhayes> yet is right !
00:14 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Icarus
00:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “icarus” yet, sorry.
00:14 <Your_mom_arma> takes a minute
00:15 <spidey> Server version: Apache/1.3.36 (Unix)
00:15 <spidey> what's that versions httpd.conf
00:15 <spidey> ?
00:16 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Icarus
00:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: Icarus seems to be on  |AST|  Fortress right now.
00:16 <Vanhayes> there we go
00:27 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen wrtl
00:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft |mbc| has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 34 minutes ago.
00:27 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:27 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:31 <Vanhayes> #last seen van
00:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns (1 more message)
00:31 <Vanhayes> #lastseen van
00:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes seems to be on  |AST|  Fortress right now.
00:31 <Vanhayes> nice
00:31 <Vanhayes> #lastseen spidey 
00:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “spidey” yet, sorry.
00:32 <Vanhayes> heh 
00:32 <DrJoeTron> i hate lawns
00:32 <DrJoeTron> im moving into the city
00:33 <DrJoeTron> when i get the money
00:33 <DrJoeTron> and when im done with school
00:33 <DrJoeTron> im sick of the suburbs
00:34 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
00:34 <ghableska> hi
00:34 <DrJoeTron> its vb time :D
00:53 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ghableska 
00:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “ghableska” yet, sorry.
00:53 <ghableska> O_o
00:53  * ghableska pokes armabot
00:56 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
00:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes seems to be on CTF StyBall right now.
00:56 <Vanhayes> heh
00:56 <ghableska> ah
00:56 <ghableska> nice
00:57 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
00:57 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska seems to be on CTF StyBall right now.
00:59 <DrJoeTron> metalocalypse time
01:03 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma one word for you "bledtricuted"
01:30 -!- MaZuffeR [n=MaZuffeR@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["-"]
01:34 <Your_mom_arma> tolkes parents creep me out
01:35 <Your_mom_arma> are you peeing on my shoe?
01:35 <Your_mom_arma> this episode was fairly weak
01:36 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen Player 1
01:36 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Player 1 has last been seen on CTF StyBall 15 minutes ago.
01:37 <ghableska> :)
01:39 <DrJoeTron> it was cute
01:39 <DrJoeTron> and better than the last one
01:43 <Your_mom_arma> korgoth is on the fix think it means anything?
01:43 <DrJoeTron> i think so
01:43 <DrJoeTron> i hope so
01:43 <DrJoeTron> because damn that show is amazing
01:52 -!- arctanx [i=inverse@124-168-233-79.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #armagetron
01:55 <spidey> lol
01:55 <spidey> cpanel redirect is gay
01:55 <spidey> http://spidey.www.fallin-angels.com/
01:56 <spidey> why the hell do you have to put www. after o.o
01:56 <spidey> spidey.fallin-angels.com doesn't work
02:00 <Vanhayes> spidey: thats what i get
02:01 <spidey> ya, what i'm getting at is http://spidey".www".fallin-angels.com
02:01 <spidey> shouldn't have to put .www there
02:17 <Vanhayes> #lastseen lack
02:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “lack” yet, sorry.
02:24 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has left #Armagetron []
02:26 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen st.lack
02:26 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: I haven't seen anyone matching “st.lack” yet, sorry.
02:45 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ~*SP*~
02:45 <armabot> Vanhayes: ~*Sp*~T°°K has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 1 minutes ago.
02:48 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ~
02:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: ~*MASTER Q*~ seems to be on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server right now.
02:49 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen _
02:49 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: sparton-116 seems to be on CTF StyBall right now.
02:49 <Your_mom_arma> umm
02:49 <Your_mom_arma> wheres the _
03:05 <Vanhayes> #lastseen 0
03:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: °¯n00b seems to be on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress right now.
03:05 <Vanhayes> #lastseen o
03:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vision seems to be on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server right now.
03:13 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen the remote
03:13 <armabot> DrJoeTron: I haven't seen anyone matching “the remote” yet, sorry.
03:14 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen car keys
03:14 <armabot> DrJoeTron: I haven't seen anyone matching “car keys” yet, sorry.
03:14 <DrJoeTron> wrtl this thing is busted
03:26 <arctanx> #lastseen arctanx
03:26 <armabot> arctanx: I haven't seen anyone matching “arctanx” yet, sorry.
03:26 -!- Legit [n=48c9461e@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
03:28 -!- Legit [n=48c9461e@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has quit [Client Quit]
03:38 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen Jehuty
03:38 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Jehuty seems to be on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 right now.
03:39 <Vanhayes> #lastseen t
03:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Jehuty seems to be on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 right now.
03:40 <Vanhayes> ...
03:40 <Vanhayes> #lastseen a
03:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Moose=HOLOCAUST seems to be on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress right now.
03:40 <Vanhayes> #lastseen b
03:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: Pyromaniac|MBC| seems to be on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress right now.
03:40 <Vanhayes> heh ill stop there
03:44 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen q
03:44 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: ~*MASTER Q*~ has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 36 minutes ago.
03:44 <Your_mom_arma> i lose
03:52 <Vanhayes> #lastseen v
03:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vision has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 2 minutes ago.
03:52 <Vanhayes> #lastseen va
03:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 19 minutes ago.
03:52 <Vanhayes> #lastseen van
03:52 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 19 minutes ago.
03:52 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
03:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 19 minutes ago.
03:53 <Vanhayes> hmm
03:53 <Your_mom_arma> #last seen z
03:53 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit (1 more message)
03:53 <Your_mom_arma> heh
03:53 <Vanhayes> lo
03:53 <Vanhayes> l
03:53 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen z
03:53 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: OMG-z!!!! has last been seen on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 31 minutes ago.
03:53 <Vanhayes> #lastseen e
03:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: ~|DArk.FreQ|~ seems to be on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server right now.
03:53 <Your_mom_arma> a letter that hasnt been logged yet
03:53 <Vanhayes> #lastseen !
03:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: Johneyy! has last been seen on CTF StyBall 13 minutes ago.
03:53 <Vanhayes> hmm
03:53 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen %
03:53 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: ion seems to be on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 right now.
03:54 <Vanhayes> ....
03:54 <Your_mom_arma> how does that work
03:54 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen ^
03:54 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: >@^YingYang^@< has last been seen on 4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan} 143 minutes ago.
03:54 <Vanhayes> #lastseen /
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: /\/\ /-\ /\/ has last been seen on CTF StyBall 163 minutes ago.
03:54 <Your_mom_arma> haha
03:54 <Vanhayes> #lastseen *
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: *Punk* has last been seen on CTF StyBall 1 minutes ago.
03:54 <Vanhayes> #lastseen &
03:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: Dark shotta seems to be on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress right now.
03:54 <Vanhayes> weird
03:54 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen #
03:54 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Dark shotta seems to be on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress right now.
03:55 <Vanhayes> haha
03:55 <Your_mom_arma> alright
03:55 <Your_mom_arma> #m wrtlprnft Your_mom_arma: #lastseen #
03:55 <Your_mom_arma> armabot: Your_mom_arma: Dark shotta seems to be on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress right now.
03:55 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:55 <Your_mom_arma> wow thats gonna look stupid
03:55 <Vanhayes> heh
03:56 <Your_mom_arma> #m wrtlprnft armabot: Your_mom_arma: Dark shotta seems to be on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress right now.
03:56 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:56 <Your_mom_arma> #m wrtlprnft how does that work?
03:56 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
03:56 <Vanhayes> #lastseen  
03:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: m RNA seems to be on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 right now.
03:56 <Vanhayes> heh
03:57 <Vanhayes> space
03:57 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen :
03:57 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: ..:Mikfire has last been seen on Strawberry Fields 142 minutes ago.
03:57 <Vanhayes> #lastseen  "
03:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: No closing quotation
03:57 <Vanhayes> ha
03:57 <Vanhayes> #lastseen  '
03:57 <Your_mom_arma> i know lets add tons of excentuators to our name
03:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Ka'ula has last been seen on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 62 minutes ago.
03:57 <Vanhayes> lol ok
03:59 <Vanhayes> #lastseen  !@
03:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “!@” yet, sorry.
03:59 <Vanhayes> #lastseen !@
03:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “!@” yet, sorry.
03:59 <Vanhayes> #lastseen @
03:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: >@^YingYang^@< has last been seen on 4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan} 148 minutes ago.
04:00 <Vanhayes> #lastseen !@
04:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “!@” yet, sorry.
04:00 <Vanhayes> lies
04:00 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen my virginity
04:00 <armabot> DrJoeTron: I haven't seen anyone matching “my virginity” yet, sorry.
04:00 <DrJoeTron> bah dup tss
04:01 <Your_mom_arma> haha
04:03 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 9
04:03 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:28 PM, March 29, 2006)
04:03 <arctanx> #quote get
04:03 <armabot> arctanx: (quote get [<channel>] <id>) -- Gets the $type with id <id> from the $type database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
04:03 <Your_mom_arma> #help quote
04:03 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Error: There is no command "quote".
04:03 <arctanx> #quote
04:03 <Your_mom_arma> #quote
04:03 <arctanx> #quote random
04:03 <armabot> arctanx: Quote #19: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China, they'd try to eat us, but we'd eat them. --Lucifer's Son" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:36 PM, July 05, 2006)
04:03 <Your_mom_arma> #quote help
04:04 <arctanx> #quote random
04:04 <armabot> arctanx: Quote #19: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China, they'd try to eat us, but we'd eat them. --Lucifer's Son" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:36 PM, July 05, 2006)
04:04 <Vanhayes> #lastseen !@
04:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “!@” yet, sorry.
04:04 <Vanhayes> LIES
04:04 <Your_mom_arma> you have to play for a minute
04:05 <Vanhayes> heh ive been playing for almost 5 now
04:06 <Your_mom_arma> blame wrtlprnft
04:06 <Vanhayes> #lastseen !@
04:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “!@” yet, sorry.
04:06 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: I blame you
04:10 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
04:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 37 minutes ago.
04:11 <Vanhayes> hmm im playing right now using that name...
04:14 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen Vanhayes
04:14 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Vanhayes has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 41 minutes ago.
04:14 <Vanhayes> maybe im invisible
04:14 <Vanhayes> #lastseen player
04:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Player 1 has last been seen on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 3 minutes ago.
04:15 <Your_mom_arma> haha
04:15 <Vanhayes> #lastseen eagle
04:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “eagle” yet, sorry.
04:15 <Vanhayes> hmm I think the xzl server is invisible
04:15 <Vanhayes> #lastseen joh
04:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: Johneyy! has last been seen on CTF StyBall 35 minutes ago.
04:15 <Vanhayes> ya 
04:16 <Your_mom_arma> its conneted to armaspy wrtl probobly blacklisted that server
04:16 <Vanhayes> heh
04:16 <Your_mom_arma> your the only one who plays there
04:17 <Vanhayes> first time in a couple months
04:17 <Vanhayes> #lastseen the
04:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: the seems to be on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server right now.
04:17 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
04:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes seems to be on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server right now.
04:19 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
04:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 1 minutes ago.
04:20 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
04:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 2 minutes ago.
04:20 <Vanhayes> hmm sp fight base is the same way
04:22 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
04:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 4 minutes ago.
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04:33 <Your_mom_arma> wb
04:33 <ghableska> ty
04:43 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034179054.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
04:52 -!- luke-jr_wifi [n=ubuntu@CPE-65-26-42-224.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
04:53 <luke-jr_wifi> hi losers
04:53 <luke-jr_wifi> that's what I thought...
04:54 <ghableska> o.0
04:54 <Your_mom_arma> if your gonna pretend your someone else you may want to capitalize properly
04:55 <DrJoeTron> holy shit gomes got on ts
04:55 <Your_mom_arma> haha
04:56 <luke-jr_wifi> whos someone else
05:02 <luke-jr_wifi> root@ubuntu:~# armagetronad
05:02 <luke-jr_wifi> Warning in void FindConfigurationPath() in ../../builds/b_0. :
05:02 <luke-jr_wifi>         Could not determine path to configuration files. Using defaults or command line arguments.
05:02 <luke-jr_wifi> Internal Error: Internal error in static tLanguage* tLanguage::FindStrict(const tString&) in ../../builds/b_0. :
05:02 <luke-jr_wifi>         Language British English not found.
05:02 <luke-jr_wifi> Please send a Bug report!
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_wifi can't be the real Luke-Jr, he wouldn't make such a verbose bug report
05:03 <Your_mom_arma> heh he actually had you going?
05:05 <Your_mom_arma> turn a phrase
05:08 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma Gomes: Hey lucifer, record me a CD
05:10 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron:  burn a cd with nothing but static and send it to him
05:11 <Your_mom_arma> make sure you write metal on it with a sharpie
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: is Gomes on ts right now?
05:12 <spidey> haha
05:12 <DrJoeTron> yeah
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to put out a CD sometime soon, I pretty much have it recorded, but it's just going to be an EP, not a full-length LP
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> wow, we're still at Threat Level Orange
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> I better tell my kids to go to defcon 3
05:18 <spidey> lol
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> so, I'm starting to suspect that either George Bush is a shrewd strategist, or he has someone working with him that is
05:19 <GodTodd> i'm at defcon 10
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> and I just can't wait to spring this on my US GOvernment class, who mostly hates Bush :)
05:29 <GodTodd> mostly straight chicks? or mostly gay dudes?
05:31 <GodTodd> <Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good
05:32 <ghableska> O_o
05:37 <spidey> lol
05:37 <spidey> Luke-Jr, perv ;s
05:45 <DrJoeTron> Conair!
05:45 <DrJoeTron> Con Air!
05:45 <DrJoeTron> there we go
05:50 <spidey> kljsadfaiowejfnsdjkfvsuavigonreubgaisduhkjndskvaj
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> man, why do people get so cranky about units anyway?
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> I used to give measurements using my hard penis as a base unit and nobody ever had trouble following that
05:50 <spidey> 1mb = 1024kb!!
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2^3
05:51 <armabot> 2^3 = 8
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> er, I can't believe I used google for that
05:52 <spidey> hahaha
05:54 <spidey> Server Load	17.23 (1 cpu)	'
05:55 <spidey> why would there be a red blinking light by that
05:55  * Lucifer_arma thinks it would make more sense to redefine the SI prefixes as base two
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> look at these two sequences:
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> 10^3, 10^6, 10^9, 10^12, 10^15
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> 2^10, 2^20, 2^30, 2^40, 2^50, 2^60
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: ping, more unit bitching here
05:56 <spidey> oh gawd
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> so which sequence makes more sense?  ;)
05:57 <spidey> wrtlprnft, is away
05:57 <spidey> his name is a light color
05:57 <spidey> means he's set to /away
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but he usually reads his backbuffer if you flag him like this
05:57 <spidey> but that means we'll have to hear it in a couple hours
05:57 <Lucifer_arma> won't be my problem by then :)
05:57 <spidey> mine either, i'll be out cold by then
05:58 <spidey> i don't see why i don't drink more
05:58 <spidey> after about the first 5~ beer doesn't taste that bad O.o
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> usually only takes 1 or 2 for me to start liking it, but that's 'cause I won't buy shitty beer anymore
05:59 <spidey> i like bush
06:00 <spidey> but my uncle always buys me that nasty ass natural light
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> you *like* busch?  You know that's a sign of being white trash....  ;)
06:00 <spidey> i'm not white trash dude!
06:00 <spidey> i'm a bum
06:01 <spidey> -_-
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> not if you like busch beer.  You have to hate it, drink it on someone else's dime, and then bitch that they didn't buy you better beer.
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06:01 <spidey> ...
06:01 <spidey> bush tastes better than budwiser
06:02 <spidey> really they all scuk, i like liquor
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> I used to think that, until I tried Corona.  Then I realized that they all taste the same, those shitty beers, and they all taste like piss
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, it's not a good thing when the beer smells the same coming out that it did going in, you'd like to think your body digested something out of it, right?
06:02 <spidey> my mom drinks corona
06:02 <spidey> because she dates a mexican
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, in Texas Real Mexicans don't drink corona, only pretentious white people drink it
06:03 <spidey> man
06:03 <spidey> my moms befriend was cruel to me
06:03 <spidey> gave me tequlla
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> he let you screw him up the ass but didn't let you come in it?
06:04 <spidey> and then some of this other crap
06:04 <spidey> that's just sick
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> my wife dumped the rest of the tequila on an antpile
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> the only good thing that came out of that was that the ants really did die
06:04 <spidey> haha
06:04 <spidey> seriously?
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> yeah :/
06:04 <spidey> haha 
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> I was hoping it would still be there for Thanksgiving, since that's pretty much the only day I can actually get drunk anymore
06:05 <spidey> magnifying glasses really do cause fires
06:05 <spidey> i burnt my pants today
06:05 <spidey> :/
06:05 <Lucifer_arma> heh, a few years ago some dude went and bought car insurance, and the company gave him complete coverage and a gift for joining
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> the gift was a little prism attached to a string that's intended to be hung from a rear view mirror
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> so he did that
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> then the prism, you know, magnifying-glass etc, and his truck went up in flames.
06:06 <spidey> o.o
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> the insurance company paid out, though, like they were supposed to
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> and then recalled all the prisms.  I'm sure they felt stupid, heh
06:07 <spidey> LOL
06:08 <spidey> know what i want
06:08 <spidey> i really really fat blunt
06:08 <spidey> like ---------------------- <<<that big
06:08 <spidey> width wise
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> I used to know a guy that rolled blunts almost that fat.  He also bragged about how much weed he smoked
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> fucker passed out in 10 minutes hitting off my brother's bong
06:09 <spidey> haha
06:09 <spidey> southern weed owns
06:09 <spidey> you aint smoked weed till you smoked blue berry nugs
06:10 <spidey> that shit's expensive but it'll kick your ass o.O
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't know what the market looks like anymore, but the area was getting some pretty shitty weed for awhile, but I did all my smoking before that happened
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> you could still get good shit, but I don't know what the market looks like anymore
06:10 <spidey> here it's mostly skunk weed
06:10 <spidey> in memphis there's some pretty good shit
06:11 <Lucifer_arma> that used to be pretty good stuff, but people started selling some shit they called skun weed but didn't smell/taste/smoke like skunk weed
06:11 <DrJoeTron> well that was interesting
06:11 <spidey> ya
06:11 <spidey> really i don't link smoking a joint or blunt
06:12 <spidey> i'd rather smoke it in a pipe
06:12 <spidey> and the smell makes me feel sick
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> I preferred pipes myself, small wood pipes over water bongs even
06:12 <DrJoeTron> inject it
06:12 <DrJoeTron> in your eyes
06:12 <spidey> bend over bitch
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> the wood pipes give their own flavor
06:12 <spidey> hmm
06:12 <spidey> i've never hit a wooden one
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> water bongs start tasting like fishtanks after awhile
06:13 <spidey> mostly them glass spun ones you can get a hatchet shop
06:13 <Your_mom_arma> once you need to inject anything into your eyes you know you have a problem
06:13 <spidey> haha
06:13 <spidey> how the fuck you gonna inject pot in your eyes anyhow
06:14 <Lucifer_arma> I better smoke a cigarette instead of answering spidey's question
06:14 <spidey> lol
06:14 <Your_mom_arma> blend it into a paste boil it with water and inject it hot?
06:14 <spidey> your crazy
06:14 <spidey> aint no needles coming close to me :|
06:14 <Your_mom_arma> your crazy for sticking a needle in your eye
06:15 <spidey> refer to the above^^^
06:15 <spidey> brb
06:16 <Your_mom_arma> i wonder if hes had his tetnes shot
06:16 <DrJoeTron> im due for one
06:16 <Your_mom_arma> how do you spell tetnes
06:16 <DrJoeTron> tetanis i think
06:16 <DrJoeTron> tetanus*
06:16 <DrJoeTron> there we go
06:18 <Your_mom_arma> i definatly need one
06:18 <Your_mom_arma> havnt had one for around 10 years
06:19  * Your_mom_arma jaw locks up
06:19 <spidey> #check tetnus
06:20 <armabot> spidey: tetanus
06:21 <spidey> joooooooooooooooooooooooe
06:21 <spidey> lets play warrock
06:21 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034188416.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
06:21 <spidey> i'ma suck but ohwell
06:21 <spidey> Vanhayes, lets play warrock
06:21 <spidey> :D
06:21 <Vanhayes> ugh, nooooooo
06:21 <spidey> why not :(
06:22 <Vanhayes> doing some things right now
06:22 <spidey> stop picking on Luke-Jr 
06:22 <Vanhayes> plus my computer can barely handle warrock
06:23 <spidey> mine to
06:23 <spidey> but once i get it going it runs fine :D
06:24 <spidey> i got it to where warrock starts and ready to join a game in about 30~ seconds
06:24 <DrJoeTron> spidey i would but im playing bf2
06:24 <DrJoeTron> which is a thousand times better than warrock
06:24 <spidey> you suck :(
06:24 <DrJoeTron> damn good :)
06:24 <spidey> i'll make you a deal
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> my last tetanus shot was in June 2000
06:25 <spidey> gimme your copy of bf2 and i'll give you a dollar
06:25 <spidey> my last one was about
06:25 <spidey> hmm
06:26 <spidey> 3-4 years ago
06:26 <Vanhayes> hmm do you have to pay for those?
06:26 <spidey> when i went in 7th grade i got boosters and tetanus b shots
06:26 <spidey> i didn't, they gave them for free at school
06:26 <Vanhayes> ya same here in grade 11
06:27 <Vanhayes> or 10
06:27 <spidey> had to take 3 tetanus shots in like 3-4 weeks
06:27 <spidey> i'll never make it past 9th grade :s
06:27 <Vanhayes> heh im graduating this year
06:27 <spidey> you suck
06:28 <Vanhayes> at least im out next yeat
06:28 <Vanhayes> year*
06:28 <spidey> i'm out this year
06:28 <spidey> :)
06:28 <Vanhayes> well at least I finish this year I should say
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> I won't graduate until 2010 at the earliest
06:29 <spidey> collage don't count
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> *high school
06:29 <Vanhayes> colledge either
06:29 <spidey> if you say you're in highschool you'll make me feel better
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> high school doesn't count :)
06:29 <spidey> colledge?
06:29 <spidey> #check collage
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> take it from me, I've been in the workforce for years with a high school diploma and it's fucking worthless
06:29 <armabot> spidey: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> #check college
06:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
06:30 <Vanhayes> well collage is pasting a bunch of picyures anyway
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> heh, it's college :)
06:30 <spidey> well
06:30 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: nah...my diploma rocks at cleaning up spills ;)
06:30 <spidey> there's alot of unemployed college folks
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: I got the pocket diploma option, a laminated card in your wallet
06:30 <GodTodd> i have both
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> I don't even have the diploma's physical paper anymore, or the laminated card, heh
06:31 <GodTodd> heh
06:31 <GodTodd> i do :/
06:31 <spidey> GodTodd, wanna play freecov?
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> neither of them survived my homeless period
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> freecov?  what's that?  new game?
06:31 <spidey> ya
06:31 <GodTodd> surprisingly, mine did
06:31 <spidey> it's cool dude
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> does it involve assbanging?
06:32 <GodTodd> high school? possibly ;)
06:32 <GodTodd> heh
06:32 <spidey> nah
06:32 <spidey> that's GodTodd 's game
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't want to play any game that doesn't involve assbanging, because only homosexual things are cool
06:33 <GodTodd> <Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good
06:33 <spidey> only if you're a fag
06:33 <spidey> lmao
06:33 <spidey> #quote add <Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good
06:33 <armabot> spidey: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
06:33 <spidey> !
06:33 <Lucifer_arma> haha
06:33 <Your_mom_arma> spidey your thinking of hepititus
06:34 <Lucifer_arma> so when we do an "about the developers", we can say Luke-Jr is a geocentrist, fundamentalist, holocaust-denial anti-semitic pedophile?
06:34 <GodTodd> heh
06:34 <spidey> #quote add <Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good
06:34 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.  Quote #21 added.
06:34 <spidey> #q 21
06:34 <armabot> spidey: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:22 AM, March 27, 2006)
06:34  * luke-jr_wifi smacks idiots who take things out of context
06:35 <GodTodd> context? whassat?
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> he just hit himself
06:35 <GodTodd> heh
06:35 <spidey> haha
06:35 <Lucifer_arma> I guess Jesus was wrong, the GOlden Rule is dumb after all
06:36 <Vanhayes> #quote get 20
06:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #20: "ok luci, you'd know better on this one -- luke-jr" (added by wrtlprnft at 02:26 PM, August 24, 2006)
06:36 <spidey> #q 19
06:36 <armabot> spidey: Quote #21: "<Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good" (added by spidey at 06:34 AM, September 09, 2006)
06:36 <spidey> ?
06:36 <Vanhayes> ha
06:36 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 9
06:36 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:28 PM, March 29, 2006)
06:36 <Vanhayes> #quote get 19
06:36 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #19: "If we were wolves and we snuck into China, they'd try to eat us, but we'd eat them. --Lucifer's Son" (added by Lucifer_arma at 11:36 PM, July 05, 2006)
06:36 <spidey> lol
06:36 <Vanhayes> hmm
06:37 <Vanhayes> #quote get 18
06:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Quote #18: "so you can't send a note to spidey or other noobs. -wrtlprnft" (added by Vanhayes at 05:23 AM, June 21, 2006)
06:37 <Vanhayes> heh
06:37 <spidey> #quote get 17
06:37 <armabot> spidey: Quote #17: "And I hate dying nearly as much as I hate Vanhayes. --featherfcuk" (added by Lucifer_arma at 02:02 AM, June 14, 2006)
06:37 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 8
06:37 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:27 PM, March 29, 2006)
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> #seen n54
06:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: n54 was last seen in #armagetron 12 weeks, 5 days, 1 hour, 45 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <n54> hi mom :)
06:37 <Your_mom_arma> i wonder if i said hi back
06:38 <spidey> lol
06:38 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, wanna play freciv?
06:38 <Vanhayes> lol maybe thats what drove him away
06:38 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:38 <GodTodd> i was gonna say that, van :P
06:38 <Lucifer_arma> he was also getting mad at us for hating on bush
06:38 <Vanhayes> lol
06:38 <Your_mom_arma> why?
06:38 <GodTodd> i like bush
06:38 <GodTodd> shaved is better tho ;)
06:38 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:38 <Vanhayes> george bush*
06:39 <Vanhayes> im guessing anyway
06:39 <Your_mom_arma> this is america we can hate whoever we want
06:39 <spidey> that's what you think
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> the atlantis is never going to fly, it's just going to sink into the ocean
06:40 <GodTodd> sure you can....it's just that certain hating can get you a new fbi file :)
06:40 <spidey> isn't it there already?
06:40 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5326828.stm  <--- it's been postponed like 4 times now
06:40 <Your_mom_arma> your free to not pay your taxes and spend a month with the irs monster
06:40 <Lucifer_arma> will I get some assbanging?
06:40 <Your_mom_arma> signs point to yes
06:41 <GodTodd> the irs is famous for assbanging :)
06:41 <spidey> are you gay?
06:41 <spidey> i think DrJoeTron is free O.o
06:41 <Your_mom_arma> free?
06:41 <GodTodd> for assbanging? or in general?
06:41 <Lucifer_arma> well, I certainly wouldn't pay for sex!
06:42 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:42 <spidey> lol
06:42 <Vanhayes> or as in cost 0 dollars?
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> #g 0 USD in CAD
06:42 <Vanhayes> damn you beat me to it
06:42 <armabot> 0 U.S. dollars = 0 Canadian dollars
06:42 <Vanhayes> #g .01 USD in CAD
06:42 <spidey> #g 1 usd in cad
06:42 <armabot> .01 U.S. dollars = 0.011062 Canadian dollars
06:42 <GodTodd> my trig class is stupid
06:42 <armabot> 1 U.S. dollar = 1.1062 Canadian dollars
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> heh, why is your trig class stupid?
06:43 <Your_mom_arma> how stupid is it
06:43 <spidey> #g 10 usd in cad
06:43 <armabot> 10 U.S. dollars = 11.06200 Canadian dollars
06:43 <GodTodd> they finally hit a subject that they were getting confused on
06:43 <Your_mom_arma> i dont get it
06:43 <GodTodd> just took getting into identities
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> ?
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> isn't it a little early to start with identities?
06:44 <GodTodd> dunno...we covered basic and pythagorean identities
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> sin^2 + cos^2 = 1 ?  like that kind of identity?
06:44 <GodTodd> yeah
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, we did do the basic pythagorean ones early, nvm
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> mostly because the rest are pretty much derived from those...
06:45 <GodTodd> yep
06:45 <GodTodd> we have our first test next week
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> yippee!
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:46 <GodTodd> i should find out where the testing center is heh
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> should be the easy one, the one where you answer "sin = y/r" for most of the questions :)
06:46 <GodTodd> or sin = a/c
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> I never learned it that lame way
06:46 <GodTodd> i learned both
06:46 <GodTodd> cuz i could
06:46 <GodTodd> :)
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> the option was there for me to learn it that way, but I found learning it on a coordinate plane is better, so that's what I did
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> then I try to remember sohcahtoa for situations where the triangle isn't in a coordinate plane and I don't want to slap one on there
06:47 <GodTodd> yeah...i like the coordinate one better
06:47 <GodTodd> that's nice....i'ma steal that
06:47 <GodTodd> :)
06:47 <GodTodd> sohcahtoa
06:48 <Lucifer_arma> umm, Mr. Keller taught that one to me :)
06:48 <GodTodd> he might have to me too...i was just too stoopid to 'member it ;)
06:48 <spidey> another warrock patch O.o
06:49 <Lucifer_arma> for some reason I also don't really remember the formula for the pythagorean theorem itself, I remember it in words
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> the formula's easy to get from the words, so I don't take any time coming up with it, but I found that odd when my calc teacher
06:50 <spidey> sweet
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> used different letters from the formula you usually learn, and people got confused because they wound up with a^2 + c^2 = b^2
06:50 <spidey> i fount a laser
06:50 <GodTodd> haha
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> and I didn't, of course, because I just remembered the words instead
06:50 <spidey> now i get to fuck with the tutors at my homeschool placec, when i go tuesday
06:51 <Lucifer_arma> if you have to "go" to see "tutors", how is it "home"school?
06:51 <GodTodd> spidey: that's still paying for sex :P
06:51 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, simple, you do the work at home, teahc yourself
06:51  * Lucifer_arma gets to go to his drafting class tomorrow, yippee!
06:51 <spidey> if you need help they're there
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> how is that different from college?
06:52 <GodTodd> Lucifer_arma: acc isn't near UT's stadium is it?
06:52 <spidey> it's highschool, not college
06:52  * Lucifer_arma thinks he's figured out why homeschool kids do better in college than public school kids
06:52 <spidey> why?
06:52 <spidey> i suck at it
06:53 <spidey> well
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: acc has lots of branches.  I don't think there's one near UT's stadium, unless you count the Rio Grande branch on 12th and Rio Grande, a few blocks south of UT itself
06:53 <spidey> i dunno
06:53 <GodTodd> and if you have to do all the work yourself, what's the point of tutors?
06:53 <spidey> i did pass every class but one for the dirst time in 2 years
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, that's kinda how college is structured.  You have to be more independent and do more on your own.  The teacher doesn't hold your hand, he just lectures, and if you didn't get it, you don't got it
06:54  * GodTodd has had a grand total of 45 minutes of tx history this semester so far.
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> did you get one of those weird teachers that likes to talk about other stuff?
06:55 <GodTodd> well...first session we covered the syllabus then he kicked us out....then the second session was labor day
06:55 <GodTodd> monday will be the third
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> aha
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, physics class is having a similar problem :/
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06:55 <GodTodd> good thing it's not a class i want to learn a lot in
06:55 <GodTodd> heh
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> compounded by the fact that the teacher goes over *all* of the homework problems, but the class is only 1.25 hours long
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> we're about to cover vectors, and we still haven't gotten out of prerequisite material
06:56 <GodTodd> i'd much rather spend my time on trig and c++
06:56 <GodTodd> i'm 1.5 sections ahead in my trig homework ;)
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> for that matter we're still in prerequisite material in calc 3
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> I couldn't get ahead in my trig homework when I took it.  Teacher made up the homework as he went along, heh.
06:57 <GodTodd> heh
06:57 <GodTodd> ours is structured out the ass
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> but the prereqs we're covering in calc 3 are all material we haven't seen since college algebra, which I didn't take, so I haven't seen this stuff since high school
06:58 <GodTodd> i can't wait to see how many people get confused when adding and subtracting angles with minutes
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> and parametric equations were new to me when we hit them in Trig, I'd never seen them before anywhere
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> ahahahahaha
06:58  * Lucifer_arma 's calculator does DMS
06:58 <GodTodd> mine might too
06:59 <GodTodd> what calculator you have?
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> it probably does, the one I used for trig ws a TI-35 or so
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> little solar-powered thing, my wife has it now
06:59 <GodTodd> yeah...i'm using a 35 for the tests....my regular one is a ti-92
06:59 <GodTodd> errr
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> it might be awhile before anyone lets you use the 92, heh.
06:59 <GodTodd> i'm using an 83 for the tests
07:00 <GodTodd> it might :/
07:00 <GodTodd> it's a rocking calculator tho
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> I still can't believe they let you use a graphing calculator for trig
07:00 <GodTodd> they *make* us
07:00 <GodTodd> :P
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, probably after you get out of the basic sequence math they'll let you use whatever you want
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> but that's after calculus :)
07:00 <GodTodd> yeah...i think they let us in calc 1
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know this for a fact, I'm still in the basic sequence
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> and in a different school anyway.  But man, graphing calculators in trig are weird.
07:01 <GodTodd> heh
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> I hope they don't teach you graphing trig functions by depending on the calculator
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> or if they do, I hope they really get into hand graphing in precalculus
07:02 <GodTodd> i think it's more of a "calculators are a backup" type philosophy
07:02 <GodTodd> we do stuff by hand then they have us use the calculator
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> well, my calc teacher spent the entire graphing calculator lecture showing us where the calculator screws up
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> he thought that was more useful than teaching us how to use the damn things when we can each RTFM
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> he got us so worked up nobody wanted to use the damn things anymore, haha
07:03 <GodTodd> reading is a prereq for college?
07:03 <GodTodd> wtf?
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> my college offers basic reading classes :)
07:03 <GodTodd> quad c probably does too
07:03 <GodTodd> heh
07:03 <GodTodd> most community colleges do
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
07:04 <GodTodd> i should take one for shits and grins
07:04 <GodTodd> try to pass it off as an elective or something
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07:04 <Lucifer_arma> my wife's still bitching that her math class is full of losers.  She got bumped back one math class behiind me, but she started a couple of semesters after me
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> so she's in Intermediate Algebra now, which is still a high school level class.  Of course her class is full of losers!  So was mine....
07:05 <GodTodd> i got stuck in that class when i started at NMSUA
07:05 <GodTodd> :/
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, on the one hand it sucked to be in it, but on the other hand it was my 3rd time taking that particular material, so I breezed through it
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07:06 <GodTodd> my int algebra teacher at that time was also a classmate of mine in my c class :)
07:06 <GodTodd> same semester
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> heh, but when I did it, they still offered a skip past college algebra if you got an A, they don't do that anymore, so my wife has to take college algebra
07:06 <GodTodd> so did i...i snuck it in in 5 weeks
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> you actually had a pretty good math background though, you were in Keller's precalc with me, were't you?
07:07 <GodTodd> yep
07:07 <GodTodd> still pissed about the placement test thing
07:07 <GodTodd> heh
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> my wife didn't finish much algebra at all in high school, she's hitting new material for her this semester
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> she still hasn't realized that she'll hit new material, but I already know it's coming, I took that class already :)
07:08 <GodTodd> heh
07:09  * Lucifer_arma didn't hit new material until calc I
07:09 <GodTodd> yeah...that's how it'll be for me
07:09 <GodTodd> :/
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> you've done logarithms?
07:09 <GodTodd> yep
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> that was the first new thiing for me in calc I, and it was a prereq.  I skipped precalculus too, heh.
07:09 <GodTodd> heh
07:10 <GodTodd> yeah...i haven't done logs since HS tho
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> it's not that they were new, it's that I'd never covered them deeply because they were always "if we have time at the end of the year" in high school
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> you remember all those hyperbolas we did in keller's precalc?
07:10 <GodTodd> yeah
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> then you don't see them again for a long time, right?
07:10 <GodTodd> yeah
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> that's what we're doing in calc 3, heh.
07:10 <GodTodd> heh
07:11 <GodTodd> i think keller did a good job of setting us up for a while mathematically
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07:11 <Durka> yo
07:11 <GodTodd> oy\
07:11 <Durka> hi
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> man, he did indeed.  I do believe he is the greatest math teacher that ever lived, just like he said
07:11 <GodTodd> can't argue with it
07:11 <GodTodd> that's for sure
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> I've been using what he taught me all this time, and it's really paid off since I hit calculus.  Now, I've run into another Really Good Math Teacher that can at least sniff Keller's throne
07:12 <GodTodd> cool :)
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm still going back to a lot of keller's stuff because it stays with you :)
07:12 <GodTodd> yep
07:13 <GodTodd> keller taught you what you need to know and didn't take any shit....and he really didn't waste time on the people that fought learning it....he just failed them
07:13 <GodTodd> heh
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  there's something about his approach to problem-solving though that I've found applications for all over the place, not just in math
07:14 <GodTodd> yeah...he was one of those lifelong lesson type teachers
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> Actually, I wrote my B paper for Comp I about him.  Figured that taking his Algebra IIa class turned out to be a defining experience in my life
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07:16 <GodTodd> wonder whatever happened to him
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> I think keller gave me the break I needed at the end of my trig class, when covering vectors/complex numbers/parametric equations, and I had a lot of work and stuff going on
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> last I heard he was still there, teaching
07:16 <GodTodd> i don't think he is anymore
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> I wanted to go see him when I was last in alamogordo, drove by his house and saw his van there, but decided to wait until I'd taken more math
07:17 <GodTodd> heh
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> he might have quit teaching at the high school, I don't know.  I heard Mr. Martin got fired a number of years ago, though.
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> something about tripping on acid with his daughter and some of her friends...
07:19 <GodTodd> heh
07:19 <GodTodd> wasn't he going to go teach at NMSU?
07:19 <GodTodd> about the time we were graduating?
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, don't know where he went after that, but the little thing with his daughter happened just a few years after we graduated
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> LEDs are more robust than traditional lightbulbs and use relatively little power they can easily be combined with solar panels  <--- what good is a light that requires sunlight to function?
07:21  * Lucifer_arma wishes he still had his solar-powered flashlight sometimes
07:21 <GodTodd> ahahah
07:21 <GodTodd> they probably mean the rechargeable cells :P
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, my flashlight could have been a lot more useful if it had been well-designed.  The basic idea was good, anyway.
07:22 <GodTodd> yeah...no match for keller on the AHS site :/
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> Put a lithium-ion battery in there, put solar cells to recharge it
07:23 <GodTodd> heh
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> that's interesting, put Robert Keller New Mexico into Google and you get two phone numbers, one in albq and one in cruces
07:25 <GodTodd> heh
07:25 <GodTodd> he had two kids, right?
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> 2 or 3, I don't always remember
07:30 <Lucifer_arma> his oldest daughter was really hot
07:34 <GodTodd> yeah
07:34 <GodTodd> and he had a son in a wheelchair, didn't he?
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> they suck, they want me to get IE 5 and lower my screen resolution or the site won't work right
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he had a son in a wheelchair and at least 2 daughters, I think
07:35 <GodTodd> ahs?
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> defnitely a son in a wheelchair, he was always talking about him
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, ahs
07:36 <GodTodd> i use firefox
07:36 <GodTodd> works fine
07:36 <GodTodd> jaramillo is principal there now
07:36 <GodTodd> heh
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> coach jaramillo?  little mexican guy?
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> holy shit, he is
07:37 <GodTodd> yep
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> I'm gonna email him and bitch about the website
07:37 <GodTodd> ahahahah
07:38 <GodTodd> nepotism? in alamo? Tony Jaramillo
07:38 <GodTodd> 	Mathematics (Teacher)
07:38 <GodTodd> heh
07:39 <GodTodd> we should prank call him
07:40 <GodTodd> or call in a bomb threat or something
07:45  * GodTodd thinks Lucifer_arma is writing that email, heh.
07:48 <Lucifer_arma> went to smoke a cigarette, heh
07:48  * Lucifer_arma notes Jaramillo is a common mexican name in that part of the country
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> Coach,
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> I gotta say, I visited the AHS website and was very disappointed by a popup telling me to change my operating system and lower my screen resolution.  As a former AHS student, I must protest this diabolical treatment of visitors.
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> Dave
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> that's it, either he remembers me or he doesn't.  Heh.
07:50 <Lucifer_arma> probably doesn't, it's been a long time and he's had thousands of students
07:51 <wrtlprnft> #m *mom* It is not connected to armaspy. Weird chars might trigger either URL problems (& and #) or maybe even mysql stuff (% etc) since I'm using a mysql LIKE expression x_X
07:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
07:51 <spidey> #ping
07:51 <armabot> pong
07:51 <spidey> wtf
07:52 <wrtlprnft> #m *mom* it matches the first guy it finds containing that name, so if you say #lastseen "" it'll pretty much give you a random person
07:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> wow, they're still 15 years behind the rest of the country.  The actually link to a search engine, and it's altavista
07:53 <Lucifer_arma> this website makes me feel kinda sick with all the tickertape crap, I'm leaving it
07:53 <GodTodd> ahahaha
07:54 <GodTodd> personally, i'm surprised they even *have* a site
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> heh, probably had some students put it together, and you know how snobby kids in that town tend to be
07:55 <GodTodd> Please note: A TI82 or TI83 is the recommended calculator for those courses requiring a calculator. 
07:55 <GodTodd> ahahahaha
07:56 <GodTodd> even for calculus
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, those calculators can do derivatives and integrals
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> parametric equations and polar graphs even
07:56 <GodTodd> i know
07:56 <GodTodd> that's what i have to use :/
07:57 <GodTodd> i'm hoping by calculus to be able to use my 92 tho
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> might just depend on the teacher.  I think the 92 is forbidden by my calc teacher(s)
07:59 <GodTodd> wow...looks like ahs's only programming is java
07:59 <GodTodd> heh
07:59 <GodTodd> and that's the AP course
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> lame
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> actually I'm surprised they even have someone that knows java on the staff
08:00 <GodTodd> why not c++ tho?
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> why not python?  ;)
08:01 <GodTodd> i have to take both in college
08:02 <GodTodd> and i think they could probably be safe in ditching dos, 3.1 and 95 in the A+ classes
08:02 <GodTodd> heh
08:02 <GodTodd> at least installing them
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08:13 <spidey> people still use dos?
08:14 <GodTodd> other than cmd, i doubt it
08:14 <spidey> hmm
08:14 <spidey> i think i'ma put it on vm
08:14 <spidey> which reminds me i broke my nat bridge :/
08:15 <DrJoeTron> damn it
08:15 <DrJoeTron> spidey
08:15 <spidey> damn you
08:15 <spidey> yes ma'am?
08:15 <DrJoeTron> dont ever get bf2 unless youy have a gig of ram
08:15 <DrJoeTron> i just got done
08:15 <spidey> huh?
08:15 <DrJoeTron> its so unplayable 
08:16 <spidey> i'm 512mb away
08:16 <spidey> :p
08:16 <DrJoeTron> im on 512ram now
08:16 <DrJoeTron> and holy crap
08:16 <spidey> same
08:16 <DrJoeTron> i need my gig back :/
08:16 <spidey> i can get another 512 stick pretty easy
08:16 <spidey> but i got other stuff i wanna buy
08:23 <DrJoeTron> as spidey just sits in the ts server
08:35 <DrJoeTron> night
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08:38 <Vanhayes> hmmm "night" sounds good
08:38 <Vanhayes> #night
08:38 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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08:48 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen wrtl
08:48 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft |mbc| has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 535 minutes ago.
08:48 <wrtlprnft> hmm, that can also be used to tell you if someone impostered you :)
08:49 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen wrtl
08:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft |mbc| has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 8 hours 56 minutes ago.
08:58 <spidey> wrtlprnft, minimap doesn't show holes
08:59 <guru3> #lastseen Tank Program
08:59 <armabot> guru3: I haven't seen anyone matching “tank program” yet, sorry.
08:59 <guru3> muaha
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09:18 <wrtlprnft> spidey: later
09:18 <spidey> ?
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15:13 <GodTodd> Ciao wrtlprnft
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15:17 <GodTodd> /msg nickserv identify Kar3n1
15:20 <guru3> nice
15:20 <wrtlprnft> o_O
15:20 -!- GodTodd [n=GodTodd@c-71-199-204-144.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
15:20  * wrtlprnft resists the urge to say /msg Nickserv ghost GodTodd Kar3n1
15:20 <guru3> i'll be damned
15:20 <wrtlprnft> that wasn't me!
15:21  * guru3 whistles
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15:21 <guru3> that one wasn't me
15:21 <wrtlprnft> not me either
15:21 <wrtlprnft> spidey!
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15:22 <wrtlprnft> /msg nickserv identify hg9sfdK7
15:22 <guru3> x)
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15:22 <guru3> i can never get lines starting with / to print in irssi
15:23 <wrtlprnft> guru3: eh?
15:23 <wrtlprnft> type / /blah
15:23 <guru3> /blah
15:23 <guru3> yah
15:23 <guru3> *ah
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15:23 <guru3> GodTodd: change auth pass
15:23  * wrtlprnft agrees
15:24 <GodTodd> how you change pass?
15:25 <guru3> good question
15:25 <luke-jr_wifi> lame question
15:25 <luke-jr_wifi> rtfm
15:25 <philippeqc> guru3, wrtlprnft could I ask you to compile aa from the branch and come on my server?
15:25 <guru3> i can't right now\
15:25 <guru3> i'm not in a setup where i can do testing
15:26 <guru3> (no svn installed ><)
15:26 <philippeqc> o
15:26 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: sure
15:26 <wrtlprnft> i wanted to contribute some rendering code anyways
15:26 <philippeqc> dont forget its  /armagetronad/branches/zone-v2-02-shape/
15:26 <GodTodd> btw...anyone with luke in their nick...stfu
15:26 <luke-jr_wifi> I like zone rendering w/ antialias disabled
15:27 <philippeqc> thanks godtod for such insight! you contribute much
15:27 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_wifi: stfu that's not what i'm taking about
15:27 <luke-jr_wifi> I am, you stfu
15:27 <luke-jr_wifi> why must everyone talk about what you are talking about?
15:28 <guru3> i'm sort of glad i won't be here for a while
15:28 <wrtlprnft> x_X
15:29 <wrtlprnft> you just had some fun ghostkicking GodTodd!
15:29 <wrtlprnft> ARGH
15:29  * wrtlprnft hits wrtlprnft 
15:29 <wrtlprnft> i just checked out all of his branch
15:29 <philippeqc> ???
15:29 <philippeqc> whose?
15:29 <wrtlprnft> yours
15:30 <wrtlprnft> including winlibs and all that other crap
15:30 <philippeqc> what????????
15:30 <wrtlprnft> don't want that
15:30 <philippeqc> o ok, you CHECKED OUT the branch, not MESSED OUT
15:30 <wrtlprnft> i have my harddrive for better things
15:30 <wrtlprnft> o_O
15:31 <wrtlprnft> bootstrapping…
15:32 <wrtlprnft> configuring…
15:33 <philippeqc> i'm trying to determine that is the difference between the servers idea of the rotation of the zone, and the client's
15:33 <wrtlprnft> making…
15:33 <wrtlprnft> are they syncronized at start?
15:34 <philippeqc> the rotation is "time()*3.14*2/5"
15:34 <philippeqc> that is synchronized on the even game start
15:36 <wrtlprnft> compiling libui…
15:36 <philippeqc> i want to know if it is affected (much) by the value of ping
15:36 <wrtlprnft> compiling libnetwork…
15:36 <wrtlprnft> compiling libtools…
15:37 <philippeqc> luke-jr_wifi: can you join in too?
15:37 <wrtlprnft> compiling libton…
15:37 <wrtlprnft> *libtron
15:37 <wrtlprnft> done
15:37 <philippeqc> # g 1/36
15:37 <wrtlprnft> where should i go?
15:37 <armabot> 1 / 36 = 0.0277777778
15:37 <luke-jr_wifi> no
15:38 <luke-jr_wifi> unless you fix
15:38 <luke-jr_wifi> the autopackage doesn't wokr
15:38 <philippeqc> unamed server
15:38 <wrtlprnft> creative naming there
15:38 <philippeqc> ya ya
15:39 <philippeqc> possibly philippeqc from now on
15:39 <philippeqc> autopackage?
15:39 <luke-jr_wifi> yes
15:39 <luke-jr_wifi> .package
15:39 <philippeqc> why do you need a pacakge for svn source?
15:39 <wrtlprnft> can't find it…
15:39 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: luke-jr_wifi doesn't know what you're talking about
15:40 <philippeqc> its not our luke_jr?
15:40 <wrtlprnft> probably is
15:40 <luke-jr_wifi> shrug, I don't have a compiler here
15:40 <wrtlprnft> still doesn't know what you're talking about
15:40 <luke-jr_wifi> running on a LiveCD
15:40 <wrtlprnft> and i can't find your server
15:41 <philippeqc> looking for it
15:41 <wrtlprnft> what about you just enter it?
15:41 <wrtlprnft> and i do a #lastseen philippeqc 
15:42 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen philippeqc 
15:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I haven't seen anyone matching “philippeqc” yet, sorry.
15:42 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen ph
15:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ~*LoD*~Mephisto has last been seen on -=|LøÏ|=-  Lords Of Destruction Sumo Server 16 minutes ago.
15:42 <philippeqc>
15:42 <philippeqc> not working
15:43 <wrtlprnft> on it
15:43 <philippeqc> good
15:43 <philippeqc> 10 min left, then I need to leave
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15:53 <philippeqc> the difference seems constant for me
15:54 <philippeqc> the server's representation seems to be 1/8 of a turn ahead of my local one, and my ping varies from 2 to 8 ms
15:55 <philippeqc> anyway, later, got 2 run
15:56 <wrtlprnft> cya
15:57 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_wifi: mind if i make an arma proxy on beta.aa.net?
15:57 <wrtlprnft> so i can get more lag
15:58 <wrtlprnft> or even a real server
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16:04 <wrtlprnft> 468 packages to go…
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16:15  * GodTodd is away - AutoAway invoked after being idle for 10 minutes.
16:15 <wrtlprnft> oh no
16:15 <wrtlprnft> not another one
16:15 <guru3> haha
16:16  * GodTodd is back.
16:16 <wrtlprnft> x_X
16:16 <guru3> god i hope that wasn't automatic
16:17 <wrtlprnft> the “AutoAway” suggests it was
16:17 <guru3> :<
16:20 <wrtlprnft> i wanna be able to use KDE programs again :(
16:20 <wrtlprnft> half of them won't start due to library issues
16:21 <luke-jr_wifi> wrtlprnft: ...
16:22 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_wifi: what?
16:22 <wrtlprnft> how would you test something that needs lots of constant lag?
16:23 <guru3> use a comp on wifi and also download files to that same comp
16:25 <wrtlprnft> do that /dev/zero thing again?
16:25 <wrtlprnft> ssh butler 'cat > /dev/null' </dev/zero
16:25 <wrtlprnft> x_X
16:25 <wrtlprnft> that won'd cause constant lag though
16:25 <wrtlprnft> *won't
16:26  * GodTodd is away - AutoAway invoked after being idle for 10 minutes.
16:26 <guru3> argh no
16:26 <luke-jr_wifi> wrtlprnft: no
16:27 <luke-jr_wifi> wrtlprnft: waste's bandwidth
16:28 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_wifi: do you know the guy?
16:29 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: shut your AutoAway thingy up!
16:31 <luke-jr_wifi> wrtlprnft: no
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16:31 <luke-jr_wifi> wrtlprnft: it's a black hole
16:32 <luke-jr_wifi> nc -u 2323 </dev/zero
16:32 <luke-jr_wifi> or urandom if you have some compressor
16:34 <luke-jr_wifi> or you could write a proxy that delays stuff
16:35 <wrtlprnft> or i could wait till ph comes back
16:35 <luke-jr_wifi> or a library that reimplements the network APIs and inserts a if(fork()) { sleep(1000); call-real-API; }
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16:36 <luke-jr_wifi> hi ghableska
16:36 <wrtlprnft> hi ghableska 
16:36 <ghableska> hi luke-jr_wifi, wrtlprnft
16:36 <wrtlprnft> don't like i2020's team?
16:36 <ghableska> hehe
16:36 <ghableska> I wanted to see what other teams were formed first...
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16:36 <ghableska> hi GodTodd
16:38 <GodTodd> hello
16:38 <guru3> GodTodd: as a favor to all of man kind remove your autoaway script
16:38 <GodTodd> it's gone
16:38 <guru3> good
16:39 <wrtlprnft> :)
16:39 <wrtlprnft> ty
16:39 <GodTodd> sorry...was bored and messing with crap :)
16:40 <wrtlprnft> i should dig out some autocolor script
16:40 <wrtlprnft> each char in another color
16:40 <ghableska> no!
16:41 <wrtlprnft> like that!
16:41 <wrtlprnft> jk
16:41 <ghableska> hmm, wasn't as bad as I thought it would be :P
16:41 <ghableska> it's better than Durka's instant chats, anyway
16:41 <wrtlprnft> durka has instant chats?
16:41 <ghableska> yeah x_x
16:42 <GodTodd> tho i did get my auto identify and highlighting to work :)
16:44 <wrtlprnft> those are more important
16:44 <wrtlprnft> GodTodd: test
16:44 <wrtlprnft> test GodTodd 
16:44 <wrtlprnft> did both hilight or just one?
16:45 <GodTodd> both
16:46 <wrtlprnft> :)
16:46 <wrtlprnft> now i just need to remember hiab's team name
16:47 <ghableska> who is "help im a bug?"
16:47 <wrtlprnft> ash hiab 
16:47 <wrtlprnft> *ask hiab 
16:48 <wrtlprnft> 161950 01:20 <hiab> i had an idea for a name
16:48 <wrtlprnft> 161951 01:20 <hiab> abominable snowmen?
16:48 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: mind that name?
16:49 <ghableska> hmm
16:49 <ghableska> :D
16:49 <ghableska> sure
16:51 <wrtlprnft> can directly change it if you like
16:52 <ghableska> hmm?
16:52 <wrtlprnft> nvm, i'm doing it
16:53 <ghableska> ok
16:54  * wrtlprnft is preparing to submit a translucent background for the map
16:55 <ghableska> oo
16:55 <wrtlprnft> one that has the shape of the map of course
17:03  * ghableska is watching the space shuttle launch
17:04 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6174 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (8 files in 6 dirs):
17:04 <armabot> armagetronad: - Cockpit minimaps now support a background. This is computed using the Graham
17:04 <armabot> armagetronad: Scan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_scan), which finds the smallest convex
17:04 <armabot> armagetronad: polygon containing all wall end points of the map. This doesn't work for concave
17:04 <armabot> armagetronad: maps, but an algorythm to work on those would be too complicated.
17:04 <armabot> armagetronad: - changed all included cockpits to have an alphatransparent map background, instead of the white default one.
17:04 <wrtlprnft> :)
17:07 <luke-jr_wifi> wrtlprnft: backgrounds being simple binary resources?
17:08 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:08 <wrtlprnft> background being a solid color
17:08 <luke-jr_wifi> ooh
17:08 <luke-jr_wifi> I thought you meant an image
17:08 <luke-jr_wifi> cool
17:08 <wrtlprnft> let's hope it all works
17:09 <wrtlprnft> i'll take it for another test drive on CTWF in a minute
17:11 <luke-jr_wifi> yay got TLS+SASL working
17:11 <luke-jr_wifi> now I never need to mess with 3rd party mail servers again =p
17:11 <wrtlprnft> unless they're sending you email
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17:16 <GodTodd> but then he might reply
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17:16 <wrtlprnft> ctwf is full again :(
17:16 <wrtlprnft> they should make room for me :(
17:17 <ghableska> special dev access :P
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17:53 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: heh
17:53 <ghableska> hmm?
17:53 <wrtlprnft> 17:17 <ghableska> special dev access :P
17:54 <wrtlprnft> there should be a hidden feature that kicks a random player from the server
17:54 <ghableska> hehe
17:54  * wrtlprnft goes implement it
17:54 <ghableska> :D
17:54 <ghableska> as long as I'm excluded from the random kick :P
17:55 <wrtlprnft> anyways: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=90361#90361
17:55 <ghableska> pretty :)
17:55 <wrtlprnft> another thing we have that gltron has too
17:55 <ghableska> heh
17:55 <wrtlprnft> though, well
17:56 <wrtlprnft> GLTron's map background is really easy to draw
17:56 <wrtlprnft> it's just a rectangle
17:56 <ghableska> :P
17:56 <wrtlprnft> or square, actually
17:57 <ghableska> yeah
18:03 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
18:03 <[dlh]> wrtlprnft: there used to be such a “feature”. If a server was full, a player would be kicked if someone else tried to join repeatedly.
18:04 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: i know
18:04 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: who was the jerk that fixed it? ;)
18:04 <[dlh]> :)
18:33  * ghableska is bored
18:34 <wrtlprnft> put up some fight with spidey about nothing, that helps against boredom
18:34 <ghableska> haha
18:34 <wrtlprnft> especially if tank gets annoyed and kicks him
18:34  * ghableska slaps spidey
18:34 <ghableska> ther
18:34 <ghableska> *there
18:34 <wrtlprnft> :)
18:36 <ghableska> wrtlprnft: do we need a team page?
18:37 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: as soon as someone has content for it :P
18:37 <ghableska> :P
18:37  * ghableska is jealous of lack's page
18:37 <wrtlprnft> i might make one later with practice times and stuff
18:37 <wrtlprnft> feel free to recruit people
18:37 <ghableska> ok
18:50 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6175 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
18:50 <armabot> armagetronad: - Turned on -fvisibility=default so all symbols are exported
18:50 <armabot> armagetronad: - Changed to gcc4.0
18:50 <armabot> armagetronad: - Include std_deque in tools bundle
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19:36 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=User:Ghableska&curid=1557&diff=15705&oldid=15273 http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&user=&page=&limit=1&offset=0
19:37 <ghableska> oops 
19:37 <ghableska> that's fine
19:37 <wrtlprnft> ok :)
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19:51 <Vanhayes> #lastseen van
19:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: VanMan has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 12 hours 12 minutes ago.
19:51 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
19:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 15 hours 33 minutes ago.
19:52 <wrtlprnft> VanMan O_o
19:53 <ghableska> #lastseen Icarus
19:53 <armabot> ghableska: Icarus has last been seen on 4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan} 18 hours 29 minutes ago.
19:53 <ghableska> heh :P
19:53 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
19:53 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 29 minutes ago.
19:53 <ghableska> #lastseen Wuttle
19:53 <armabot> ghableska: I haven't seen anyone matching “wuttle” yet, sorry.
19:53 <ghableska> aww
19:54 <wrtlprnft> lastseen player 1
19:54 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen player 1
19:54 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Player 1 seems to be on Strawberry Fields right now.
19:54 <wrtlprnft> strawberry fields?
19:54  * wrtlprnft joins
19:54 <ghableska> heh
19:54 <wrtlprnft> must be a new server
19:54 <ghableska> that song is strange
19:55 <Vanhayes> i like it
19:55 <Vanhayes> gotta like the beatles
19:55 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
19:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes seems to be on  |AST|  Fortress right now.
19:56  * ghableska recalls crazy, beatle obsessed teacher
19:58 <Vanhayes> hewh ive had one of those too
19:59 <ghableska> lol
19:59 <Vanhayes> well he is obsesed with the beatles, not sure if he is crazy tho
19:59 <ghableska> mine was both
20:00 <Vanhayes> #lastseen the
20:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: TheLighthouse seems to be on Norm's Place right now.
20:00 <Vanhayes> #lastseen !
20:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: Achtung! seems to be on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 right now.
20:00 <Vanhayes> o ya wrtlprnft did you block xzl server from that thing?
20:01 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: no
20:01 <wrtlprnft> i have no clue why it isn't on my master
20:02 <wrtlprnft> it's not explicitly blocked
20:02 <Vanhayes> well that one and speeders fight base dont show up
20:02 <Vanhayes> maybe others but those 2 i know
20:03 <wrtlprnft> infact i kinda like the xzl server
20:03 <wrtlprnft> at least i like it most of all hight–rubber last–man–standing servers
20:03 <Vanhayes> ya pretty good people there
20:03 <wrtlprnft> as it's using timebased rubber
20:04 <Vanhayes> tried speeders and besides high rubber and high ping dont mix well with me, it has really annoying players
20:06 <Vanhayes> every other word was LAG!, PWNT, and never even one wd or anything like that
20:06 <ghableska> heh
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20:12 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: you up for the Ladle-4?
20:13 <Vanhayes> nah im sitting this one out
20:13 <wrtlprnft> :(
20:13 <Vanhayes> its oct 1 right?
20:13 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:13 <Vanhayes> what day is that sunday?
20:14 <ghableska> yeah
20:14 <Vanhayes> yeah my 18 birthday is sept 30 so ill probly be out most of that weekend
20:15 <ghableska> partying? :P
20:15 <Vanhayes> yup :)
20:15 <ghableska> heh
20:19 <Vanhayes> #lastseen wrtlprnft 
20:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: wrtlprnft |mbc| has last been seen on Strawberry Fields 18 minutes ago.
20:19 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ghableska 
20:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 55 minutes ago.
20:21  * ghableska wishes it would rain
20:25 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: you crazy?
20:25 <ghableska> no...
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20:27 <wrtl_web> test
20:27 <wrtlprnft> hmm, that one seems to be nice, too
20:27 <wrtlprnft> wrtl_web: test
20:27 <ghableska> O_o
20:28 <wrtlprnft> http://www.t9k.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi
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20:28 <Wuttle> .
20:29 <wrtlprnft> :D
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20:29 <ghableska> :)
20:29 <wrtlprnft> just because durka keeps pushing his crap.
20:29 <ghableska> hm?
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20:29 <ghableska> hi Sticky
20:30 <Sticky> hay
20:30 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User_talk:2020
20:30 <wrtlprnft> hi Sticky 
20:30 <ghableska> WTF
20:30 <Sticky> hay all
20:31 <ghableska> ah, thunder :D
20:37 <spidey> fuckers
20:38 <ghableska> o.0
20:38 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: now it's time to end your boredom!
20:38 <ghableska> uh oh
20:38  * ghableska screams and runs away
20:39 <Lucifer_arma> is the space shuttle really launching?  Truly?
20:39 <ghableska> Lucifer_arma: it launched...
20:39 <Lucifer_arma> NO SHIT?!?
20:40 <Lucifer_arma> good thing I didn't bet on it, I was sure they'd have another "little glitch" and have to scrap and let the russians go up
20:40 <Lucifer_arma> wanna take bets that the space shuttle hits the next upcoming soyuz capsule on its way down?
20:40 <spidey> FINALLY
20:40 <ghableska> lol
20:41 <spidey> my shitty connection is back
20:41  * spidey jumps in joy
20:41 <Lucifer_arma> yay.  spidey's shitty connection is back to bring us his shitty attitude
20:41 <spidey> no
20:41 <Lucifer_arma> shitty spelling?
20:41 <spidey> the way it's been the past week
20:41 <spidey> i'm happy it's shitty now
20:41 <spidey> :D
20:41 <Lucifer_arma> shitty shitter in the shitroom?
20:41 <wrtlprnft> i know spidey just LOVES bitching
20:42 <spidey> only if i'm bitching at you
20:42 <wrtlprnft> that's why he was so unhappy with the new connecion
20:42 <spidey> or Luke-Jr 
20:42 <Lucifer_arma> I looked up bitch in the dictionary the other day because I forgot how to spell it and lo and behold there was a picture of spidey
20:42 <wrtlprnft> or anyone, for that matter
20:42 <spidey> i never got a new one
20:42 <spidey> oh ya?
20:42  * Lucifer_arma had a lot of fun in his drafting class, can you tell?
20:42 <spidey> what do i look like? :x
20:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm just trusting the caption.  It said "This is Spidey.  For more information, see splellngi"
20:43 <wrtlprnft> spidey: like shit. that's why they're cross–referencing “bitch” from “shit”
20:44 <wrtlprnft> “for an image see 'shit'”
20:44 <wrtlprnft> err
20:44 <wrtlprnft> “Shit: […] for an image see 'bitch'”
20:48 <Vanhayes> heh "see splellngi:
20:48 <Vanhayes> er
20:48 <Vanhayes> heh "see splellngi"
20:51 <spidey> hmm
20:51 <spidey> www.fallin-angels.com  << that load for anyone?
20:51 <ghableska> yes
20:51 <spidey> bah
20:52 <wrtlprnft> spidey: unfortunately it does
20:54  * Vanhayes notes that spidey fixed that "clicking the forums twice problem"
20:54 <spidey> heh
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20:56 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.tiker.net/software/tagpy  <-- another dorky drupal website
20:58 <wrtlprnft> why did the dotnet style disappear from kcontrol? :s
20:58 <wrtlprnft> it' about the only good kde style there is
20:58 <Lucifer_arma> because it sucks?
20:59 <wrtlprnft> nope
20:59 <wrtlprnft> it rocks
20:59 <Lucifer_arma> you sure they didn't remove it because it really sucks?
20:59 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, it sucks harder than spidey eating a banana
20:59 <spidey> ....
20:59 <wrtlprnft> the other styles are either way too heavy with tons of stupid gradients
20:59 <wrtlprnft> or they're too basic, like that CDE style or the win9x one
21:00 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I like gradients
21:00 <Lucifer_arma> I think they're Smart(tm)
21:00 <wrtlprnft> they look awful all the way
21:00  * Lucifer_arma wonders what style he's using right now
21:01 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I'm using Keramik
21:01 <spidey> i make a custom one
21:01 <wrtlprnft> too round
21:01 <spidey> :p
21:01 <Lucifer_arma> with the Blue Slate color scheme
21:02 <wrtlprnft> i want something grey and orange
21:02 <Lucifer_arma> I like my widgets the same way I like my women, round and full of gradients
21:02 <spidey> mine's usually black, with everything else red and light blue o.o
21:02 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like a really nice green, actually, but haven't found one
21:02 <wrtlprnft> look how much it sucks… there's a vertical gradient for the menu
21:02 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm so bad with color I don't think I could make one
21:02 <wrtlprnft> but the color it ends in is not the color the window continutes
21:02 <wrtlprnft> *continues
21:02 <wrtlprnft> so you get some ugly–ass line
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> you mean the menu bar?
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> that line is a bevel
21:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> I got disoriented when I used a style that just let the menu blend with the window
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> couldn't find the menu after that
21:03 <Lucifer_arma> I like the firm delineation between the two
21:03 <wrtlprnft> the way it is just looks buggy
21:04 <wrtlprnft> if they had a clear line it would be different
21:05  * wrtlprnft hopes that dotnet will reappear after kdelook got re–emerged
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> there's a clear line on my screen
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> I'll tell you what irritates me
21:07 <Lucifer_arma> little skinny window borders
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21:07 <Lucifer_arma> I can't ever hit their drag handles to resize them
21:08 <Lucifer_arma> I use Plastik window style with large window borders
21:09 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:09 <wrtlprnft> i use b2 with smallest possible borders
21:09 <wrtlprnft> without that annoying drag handle
21:10 <wrtlprnft> still gives me 2 pixels of room to drag
21:11 <wrtlprnft> and i don't resize windows that often and can aim my mouse pretty well.
21:14  * Lucifer_arma notes that 2 pixels are harder to find when you have more pixels active
21:15 <wrtlprnft> dotnet supports bigger borders anyways
21:15 <DrJoeTron> unless they are stuck or dead pixels :)
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> nevertheless, my own anecdotal evidence backs up at least one usability study I read where they found that larger widgets make the computer faster to use, even at the expense of import content on-screen
21:15 <Lucifer_arma> so, larger icons, larger text (easier to read!), larger drag handles, larger buttons, etc.
21:16 <Lucifer_arma> I figure if I could get a screen that was 20 feet by 20 feet, I could use my computer at the speed of light
21:20 <wrtlprnft> so, what are rounded edges for?
21:20 <wrtlprnft> they just make the actual button smaller
21:29 <wrtlprnft> i have three simple needs for a style: a) no gradients b) no rounded corners c) buttons and stuff needs a different BG than the surroundings
21:30 <wrtlprnft> ie needs to look somewhat 3d
21:30 <wrtlprnft> now the only style meeting these disappeared…
21:34  * wrtlprnft tries reemerging kdelook in the hope that it'll reappear
21:45 <wrtlprnft> aaaaaah!
21:45 <wrtlprnft> reemerging kdelook brought me my loved dotnet style back :)
21:48 <spidey> -_-
21:48 <spidey> gotta finish moving this house around
21:48 <spidey> :/
21:48 <wrtlprnft> you gonna move it onto a tree?
21:48 <wrtlprnft> so your bullets can reach a house?
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21:49 <wrtlprnft> wb
21:49 <ghableska> ty
21:51  * wrtlprnft is happy
21:51 <ghableska> why?
21:51 <wrtlprnft> i got my dotnet style for KDE back
21:51 <wrtlprnft> it disappeared when i emerged gcc4.1
21:52 <ghableska> :)
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22:31 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_wifi's wifi doesn't seem to be that great…
22:33 <ghableska> wrtlprnft: how do I unbind a key?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> in arma?
22:33 <wrtlprnft> bind it again on the same spot
22:33 <ghableska> yeah
22:33 <wrtlprnft> it'll disappear
22:33 <ghableska> ok
22:34 <wrtlprnft> or press backspace to get rid of all bindings
22:34 <wrtlprnft> IIRC arma actually tells you that if you stay on a keybinding long enough
22:35 <wrtlprnft> doesn't, how boring
22:35 <wrtlprnft> but i'm certain the included documentation does
22:35 <wrtlprnft> ;)
22:36 <ghableska> ah
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22:40 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: can you link me to your irc logs?
22:42 <wrtlprnft> #realchatlogs
22:42 <armabot> wrtlprnft: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
22:43 <wrtlprnft> uh
22:43 <wrtlprnft> wrf
22:43 <Your_mom_arma> 404'd
22:43 <wrtlprnft> guru3: you can change master3 to my server again now
22:43 <guru3> whoops guess i forgot to change it back
22:43 <wrtlprnft> it's because master3 points to guru3's server now
22:43 <guru3> wrtlprnft.ath.cx right?
22:43 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:43 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: replace master3.aa.net by wrtlprnft.ath.cx
22:44 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: i just changed it because i didn't want to get waked everytime someone calls #realchatlogs
22:44 <guru3> should update soon
22:44 <wrtlprnft> ty
22:48 <ghableska> still isn't raining....grrr
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22:49 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: ?!
22:49 <wrtlprnft> oh
22:49 <wrtlprnft> i read “still IS raining…”
22:50 <ghableska> heh
22:52 <wrtlprnft> i just read what would make more sense to me on first glance ;)
22:52 <ghableska> lol
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23:21 <ghableska> brb
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23:31 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:31 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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Log from 2006-09-10:
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00:24 <Your_mom_arma> poor ghableska and groundpig
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00:59 <Your_mom_arma> wb
00:59 <ghableska> ty
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01:54 <Ringwraith`> g 
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01:59 <Ringwraith`> ha HA ha HA
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02:44 <Ringwraith`> hi mom
02:44 <Ringwraith`> i love you mom
02:44 <Your_mom_arma> hi
02:44 <Ringwraith`> you are a fantastic person
02:44 <Your_mom_arma> clingy
02:44 <Ringwraith`> have a geoduck
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02:46 <Ringwraith`> I am RANDOM MAN
02:46 <Ringwraith`> i edit source code!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
02:46 <Ringwraith`> muwhahahahhaha!
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02:46 <Ringwraith`> it'd be nice if armagetron had ramps
02:46 <Ringwraith`> and gravity
02:46 <Ringwraith`> be quite fun too
02:46 <Ringwraith`> maybe my next little src mod
02:47 <Ringwraith`> but that cant all be done server side
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02:54 <Vanhayes> #last
02:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: [02:47:11] <Ringwraith`> but that cant all be done server side
02:55 <Ringwraith`> i outlasted you mf ;p
02:55  * Ringwraith` core dumps Vanhayes  for 3 points
03:10  * Vanhayes commits suicide, no points.
03:10  * Ringwraith` core dumps the server and gains r00t access for 100 points!
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03:11 <Your_mom_arma> heh they just re used old ct maps and made them ctf
03:13 <Ringwraith`> heh a farmer fucked a cow in the ass
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03:20 <Ringwraith`> hello arctanx 
03:20 <Ringwraith`> how is austrailia
03:21 <arctanx> australia is a shitheap because our prime minister is a twit
03:21 <arctanx> how's your country?
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03:22 <Ringwraith`> dont ask
03:22 <Ringwraith`> its the usa
03:22 <Ringwraith`> so dont ask
03:24 <arctanx> ah ok
03:24 <arctanx> about the same then
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04:23 <DrJoeTron> so guys
04:23 <DrJoeTron> mom
04:23 <DrJoeTron> we might have a new lobster
04:24 <DrJoeTron> if this kid orders a pizza for kamp
04:24 <DrJoeTron> im letting him be one
04:35 <DrJoeTron> Thats it!
04:35 <DrJoeTron> thats the new requirement to being a lobster
04:35 <DrJoeTron> you have to order a pizza for us
05:39 <spidey> #last --nolimit --with spidey
05:39 <armabot> spidey: [20:59:17] <Lucifer_arma> I mean, it sucks harder than spidey eating a banana, [20:54:41] * Vanhayes notes that spidey fixed that "clicking the forums twice problem", [20:52:53] <wrtlprnft> spidey: unfortunately it does, [20:43:52] <wrtlprnft> spidey: like shit. that's why they're cross–referencing “bitch” from “shit”, [20:43:26] <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm just trusting the caption.  It said "This is (6 more messages)
05:41 <GodTodd> #q get 21
05:41 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #5: "first the spoon, then the ladle, then the bowl, then the bowl, then the makefiles have a Ni! -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 09:41 AM, March 27, 2006)
05:41 <GodTodd> #q get #21
05:41 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #14: "On a full moon, Christopher Walken transform in a wereworm. Not as dangerous as a werewolf, but twice as cunning. - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 07:58 PM, April 25, 2006)
05:41 <GodTodd> hrmm
05:41 <GodTodd> #q
05:42 <armabot> GodTodd: Quote #21: "<Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good" (added by spidey at 06:34 AM, September 09, 2006)
05:42 <spidey> lol
05:42 <spidey> it's #quote get :p
05:49 <GodTodd> oh well...mission accomplished anyway :P
06:24 <spidey> WARROCK
06:24 <spidey> ;X
06:24 <spidey> s-caps
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06:29 <Durka> Durka Durka Mohammad Jihad!
06:44 <DrJoeTron> warrock for chumps!
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06:48 <Your_mom_arma> so how far does he live from kamp?
06:50 <Your_mom_arma> and does the pizza have to have toppings?
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07:00 <arctanx> #lastseen arctanx
07:00 <armabot> arctanx: I haven't seen anyone matching “arctanx” yet, sorry.
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07:06 <Vanhayes> #lastseen van
07:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 2 hours 54 minutes ago.
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07:06 <Vanhayes> #lastseen es
07:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: +Lennon+Saves+ seems to be on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress right now.
07:06 <Vanhayes> #lastseen yes
07:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 2 hours 54 minutes ago.
07:06 <Vanhayes> heh
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07:38 <spidey> i asked my webhost dude to instal php 5.1.6
07:38 <spidey> he's like, all i have is meganuke but i'll look into it
07:38 <spidey> o.o
07:57 <spidey> #last seen asyss
07:57 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns (1 more message)
07:57 <spidey> #lastseen asyss
07:57 <armabot> spidey: I haven't seen anyone matching “asyss” yet, sorry.
07:57 <spidey> #lastseen abyss
07:57 <armabot> spidey: I haven't seen anyone matching “abyss” yet, sorry.
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08:20 <Vanhayes> #lastseen spi
08:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: Spid3r has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 6 hours 57 minutes ago.
08:20 <Vanhayes> #lastseen spide
08:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: spidey |mbc| has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 10 hours 38 minutes ago.
08:21 <Vanhayes> anyway goodnight 
08:21 <Vanhayes> #night
08:21 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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10:02 <hiab> yes
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10:14 <Your_mom_arma> hey philippeqc
10:14 <philippeqc> hi
10:16 <philippeqc> #tell later wrtlprnft minor bug in the background. Check image http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_443.png, the lower left corner misses a small bit.
10:16 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: I haven't seen later, I'll let you do the telling.
10:16 <philippeqc> #tell wrtlprnft minor bug in the background. Check image http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_443.png, the lower left corner misses a small bit.
10:16 <philippeqc> how are you mom
10:16 <Your_mom_arma> fine thanks, you?
10:17 <philippeqc> tired, party yesterday. alcoohol ran wild like the buffalo
10:17 <Your_mom_arma> haha
10:18 <philippeqc> finishing the evening with tequilla shooters is never a wise idea.
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> beer before liquor, never sicker
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> liquor before beer, never fear
10:43 <philippeqc> blanc sur rouge, rien ne bouge
10:43 <philippeqc> rouge sur blanc, tout fout le camp
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, the problem with drinking smartly is that the more you drink, the harder it gets to continue doing so smartly
10:48 <philippeqc> all was well under control for me yesterday. Really. I did the 2 tequilla shots as I new the only thing I'd loose was a bit of quality sleep, and not my stomack.
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> I hear that.  There are definitely times when you just know you can toss in some stuff that breaks the rules a bit and it won't hurt.
11:07 <philippeqc> ;)
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> I find that if you eat certain foods a certain distance before you crash out (or pass out), then you improve your sleep, reduce/eliminate the hangover, and don't sacrifice the quality of the buzz itself
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if you eat and then stay up longer, you lose your buzz faster, but that's a risk!  ;)
11:16 <philippeqc> really, like what=
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> eggrolls, heh
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> umm, mostly a combination of proteins and starches
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> so like a good burrito.  most mexican food, in fact
11:16 <philippeqc> burgers
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> sub sandwiches, hamburgers (blech)
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> I nearly puke on fast food hamburgers without any alcohol, but there are burgers that work even for me
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> fried chicken + mashed potatoes
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> but it's the combination of proteins and starches that matters, and a few glasses of water before you go to bed
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> then you follow it up with something similar in the morning, and you should be able to kill the hangover completely before noon (assuming you wake up around 10am)
11:21 <philippeqc> it think dumping something that is difficult to digest seems to be the key. forces your stomack to slow down and let some time to your liver to start winning the race
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> then vegetables should work, but that hasn't been my experience
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> I think you're right to some extent though.  :)  The water helps flush the liver, too
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> I always thought, but don't know for a fact, that the starches absorb the alcohol and get it pushed into your waste system quicker
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> and the proteins restore energy and provide fuel to repair damages
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> my own experience is something like this:  meat by itself makes it worse, bread by itself makes it worse, but meat and bread together make it better
11:25 <philippeqc> yep
11:25  * philippeqc eat a saucage baguette
11:25 <philippeqc> sausage
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> Dunkin' Donuts used to sell a fried egg croissant that did wonders for a hangover
11:26 <philippeqc> ;)
11:27 <philippeqc> at what hour do their start to do it. Feels like a breakfast think, the type that they stop doing at 11am
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> they used to do it 24 hours, but they stopped selling that particular sandwich a few years back.  :/
11:27 <philippeqc> o
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> dunkin' donuts is franchised, though, so actual offerings vary by location
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> I also found that soda (like Dr Pepper) doesn't flush the liver, so the hangover will still linger, and flushing the liver is very important to the whole thing
11:29 <philippeqc> do they still do coconut covered munckin? they stopped in quebec ~15years ago. When I asked why, the girl told me they where loosing money on them, nobody bougth them. It hit me, the only one you saw where in mixed box, and the last ones to be eaten. Nobody likes coconut covered stuff ;)
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> I forgot the water one time, and then sometime later in the day I had to go to a dinner with family, formal thing, and drank plain water
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> big mistake.  Drunk off water, they all said.
11:30 <philippeqc> o really!
11:30 <philippeqc> never had that
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you drink a lot of water in general already?  :)
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what kind of donuts they sell, I've never bought donuts there :)
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> just coffee and sandwiches
11:32 <philippeqc> my stomack never let me drink that much. I soon reach a level where it shout out "ok, I've had enough. we're closing down and over the next 2 hours, we will make the machinery start to work in reverse.... and after that we expect the whole cleaning process to take another hour." 
11:32 <philippeqc> THAT makes you lean quick not to push your limit
11:34 <philippeqc> have a look next time you buy coffee. I have a personnal theory that nobody really likes dried coconut, but never realised it. In Quebec, we got enlightened about 15 years ago. In Sweden, people still hang to that notion that dried coconut is good. I try to spread the word, but I think its too early for them.
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> ah, well, since you put it that way, I must say I've been seeing a lot less dried coconut offerings in general
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> I noticed the coconut cake offerings in the grocery store disappearing starting about 4 years ago
11:37  * Lucifer_arma hasn't been back to Dunkin' Donuts since they stopped selling that sandwich, it was why he went there to begin with :)
11:37 <philippeqc> ok
11:38 <philippeqc> So you are about to hit the coconut event horizon too in Texas ;)
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> my wife and I had this conversation a few years back where we both noticed you couldn't hardly buy that stuff anymore and we were happy :)
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> man, I love pyqt
11:39 <philippeqc> great
11:40 <philippeqc> why is that (pyqt)
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, while we've been talking I"ve been working on playlist support in my alarm clock.  I decided to rewrite that whole bit of code rather than keep the old stuff.
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> So I've been working on it pretty much from scratch, and when it was time to hook it up to the GUI, it took about 10 lines of code and 3 minutes to code it to get it
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> showing exactly what the playlist panel in the old alarm clock shows
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> now I'm gonna smoke a cigarrette and think about how to get the timer thread to read id tags in the songs to finish up the playlist panel
11:42 <philippeqc> ok
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, wiring a similar interface to wxPython was a Real Pain in the Ass
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12:17 <Your_mom_arma> cya
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13:41 <Lucifer_arma> duh
13:41 <Lucifer_arma> of course the tag library can't read the tags, the songs don't exist on disk!
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15:14 <ghableska> hi
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15:27 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: you there right now?
15:28 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: when you get a chance, can you check cpu usage of armabot when nobody's interacting with her?  I'm curious about something to do with timers and python
15:28 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: of course I'll need to know how fast your cpu is too
15:29 <Ringwraith`> s
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16:00 <arctanx> happy birthday me
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16:51 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6176 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/ (tConfiguration.i tools.i):
16:51 <armabot> armagetronad: - Include cpointer.i in the tools module
16:51 <armabot> armagetronad: - Added some pointer classes
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17:04 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ghab
17:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska has last been seen on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 11 hours 1 minutes ago.
17:05 <Ringwraith`> ghableska was last seen having cybersex on IRC 12 hours 43 minutes ago.
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17:12 <Ringwraith`> Finland
17:38 <Lucifer_arma> the government's being open and honest and telling us everything it's up to, the president is admitting mistakes and apologizing
17:38 <Lucifer_arma> must be a big election coming
17:38  * Lucifer_arma hates election year politics
17:39 <Ringwraith`> well first off
17:39 <Ringwraith`> they arent being open and honest 
17:39 <Ringwraith`> just in a minor way
17:39 <Ringwraith`> and secondly the president isnt truly sorry for his mistakes
17:53 <Lucifer_arma> go piss on somebody else's joke, will ya?
18:35 -!- [Xpert]DarkStar [n=pso@84-74-47-10.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #armagetron
18:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> evening all
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18:49 <ghableska> #lastseen 2020
18:49 <armabot> ghableska: 2020 has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 19 hours 38 minutes ago.
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19:05 <ghableska> hi GodTodd
19:05 <GodTodd> hi
19:06 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
19:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: ~*Speeders*~ Classic Server (10 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (10 players) || Norm's Place (10 players) || sylvs tavern in [armagetronad.de] (10 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (9 players) || Capture The Flag Sty (8 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (5 players) || -=|LoD|=- S U M O HI-Q (4 players) || (1 more message)
19:15 <ghableska> #lastseen Vanhayes
19:15 <armabot> ghableska: Vanhayes has last been seen on -=|LoD|=-  F O R T R E S S  HI-Q 1 hours 4 minutes ago.
19:20 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ghableska 
19:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 2 minutes ago.
19:20 <ghableska> heh
19:21 <Vanhayes> #lastseen 
19:21 <ghableska> Vanhayes: so you aren't participating in the 4th ladle, right?
19:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Liberals seems to be on Laura Epsilon (small, high speed) right now.
19:21 <Vanhayes> nah im going to be busy that weekend
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19:22 <Vanhayes> #lastseen `
19:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: `~dD~{Jack} has last been seen on Norm's Place 9 minutes ago.
19:22 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ""
19:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: eshlox seems to be on sylvs tavern in [armagetronad.de] right now.
19:22 <Vanhayes> I think the ladle should be every 2 or 3 months instead of every month
19:23 <ghableska> why?
19:26 <Vanhayes> well it sort of takes away from the tournament part of it, its more like monthly games
19:26 <ghableska> yeah, I guess
19:28 <Vanhayes> #lastseen van
19:28 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on -=|LoD|=-  F O R T R E S S  HI-Q 1 hours 17 minutes ago.
19:28 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc_: yeah, i know it does, that was one of the “unexpected features”
19:28 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it doesn't use any CPU if it's inactive
19:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: but it's in #commits, so it's active quite often
19:29 <wrtlprnft> s/it/she
19:29 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: 400MHz Pentium-3
19:30  * wrtlprnft wonders if anyone ever reads away messages. It was saying exactly I wouldn't be here until now
19:30 <philippeqc_> ok then wrt
19:30 <philippeqc_> cya
19:30 <philippeqc_> #night
19:30 <armabot> Good night philippeqc_!
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19:30 <ghableska> cya
19:34 <Vanhayes> i never think to read someones away message
19:34 <Vanhayes> #lastseen van
19:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on -=|LoD|=-  F O R T R E S S  HI-Q 1 hours 23 minutes ago.
19:34 <Vanhayes> hmm CT CTF is invisible too wrtlprnft 
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I don't read away messages, too many people don't use them at all
19:36 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, thanks for the info on armabot.  You don't get any reading, not even like 1% CPU usage?
19:40 <wrtlprnft> second
19:40 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: actually you have an account on that server :P
19:40 <wrtlprnft> just log in and use htop :P
19:41  * Lucifer_arma wonders if he still has his password, heh
19:41 <wrtlprnft> i never gave you one
19:41 <wrtlprnft> you need your private key
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> I'm wanting to compare some known python program that uses some sort of timer to my alarm clock
19:41 <wrtlprnft> just try ssh lucifer@wrtlprnft.ath.cx
19:41 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: feel free to run it on there
19:41 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I need to send you a new key then, the old one got lost this summer
19:42 <wrtlprnft> sure
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, the alarm clock is a gui app, requires pyQt3 and stuff
19:42 <Lucifer_arma> I could just run a supybot here and check, I just thought it'd be quicker to ask if you happened to have the info already
19:43 <wrtlprnft> using 0% now
19:44 <Lucifer_arma> that's quite a bit less than the 2% my alarm clock is using
19:44 <wrtlprnft> test
19:45 <wrtlprnft> went up to 14% for a second
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19:45 <wrtlprnft> #echo hi
19:45 <armabot> hi
19:45 <Lackadaisical> hi
19:45 <wrtlprnft> no, that was a test
19:45 <Lackadaisical> oh sorry
19:45 <wrtlprnft> #echo another test
19:45 <armabot> another test
19:45 <wrtlprnft> hi anyways
19:45 <wrtlprnft> #echo another test
19:45 <armabot> another test
19:46 <wrtlprnft> #echo another test
19:46 <armabot> another test
19:46 <wrtlprnft> same
19:47 <Lucifer_arma> 14% when it's doing something, 0% otherwise?
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19:49 <Durka> Durka Durka Mohammad Jihad!
19:49 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:49 <ghableska> ...
19:49 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: about
19:49 <Lucifer_arma> ok, thanks.  Not sure what the clock spikes to, but 2% while idling isn't promising
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, what it does while idling is pretty neat and I'm not about to rewrite it over that, instead I'll see how I can optimize it :)
19:50 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: unfortunately armabot's running for more than an hour of CPU time now, so i can't see the centiseconds of it in htop…
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> that's fine, I"m mostly trying to determine how it impacts other apps.  My alarm clock doesn't hurt regular stuff, if it hurts anything it'll just be gaming
19:50 <Lucifer_arma> but that's before I get it running on the slower box that actually is my alarm clock, heh.
19:51 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know off the top of their heads if mpg123, mpg321, and/or ogg123 are available for windows?
19:52 <wrtlprnft> uh, no
19:52 <wrtlprnft> but i'm sure there's a cygwin port if not a native one
19:52 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: just renice it and it won't even disturb gaming :P
19:52 <Lucifer_arma> haha
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm quite a ways from having a windows port of my own anyway.  :/
19:53 <wrtlprnft> but it might prevent the CPU from going into a powersaving state
19:53 <Lucifer_arma> I started rewriting with pyqt3 before pyqt4 came out, now I'm stuck there until I get it running again, then I can port to pyqt4
19:54 <Lucifer_arma> that last part is fine, when the alarm goes off the thing needs to respond immediately.  Long as it doesn't prevent the monitor from shutting off, it's fine.
19:54 <wrtlprnft> anyways, armaspyad uses some QT timer function
19:54 <wrtlprnft> dunno what pyQT i have
19:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, the timer is custom using python native stuff because it's in the engine which is by design gui-independent
19:54 <wrtlprnft> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
19:54 <wrtlprnft> Calculating dependencies   
19:54 <wrtlprnft> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "pyqt".
19:54 <wrtlprnft> bah
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> and it calls a bunch of callbacks whenever it works, but most of the time the callback lists are empty except for one or two
19:55 <Lucifer_arma> so the usage is from the timer thread calling functions that do nothing because they have nothing to iterate over
19:56 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i don't have pyqt4 it seems
19:56 <Lucifer_arma> CPU usage is at around 15% during the first few minutes after application startup because the timer is triggering the tag reader, which works like most media players, it reads one track at a time slowly
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> I have pyqt4 now, I was just too far along in my rewrite to switch without serious work.  I'll do the port asap, but I need a working qt-based version sooner :)
19:57 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm almost there right now, just gotta get the media player working, add a few little things, and then test test test
19:59 <wrtlprnft> is there anything like a memory checker for python?
19:59 <wrtlprnft> to see where the memory gets lost?
20:01 <Lucifer_arma> not sure.  There is a profiler, but I don't know how to use it
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's pretty easy to wind up with references that keep an object in memory when you want it to be deleted, though
20:02 <Lucifer_arma> I have that problem right now.  Can't clear the alarm list because references are being kept around that aren't needed.
20:05 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=4_Team_Fortress_Tourney_1&curid=2697&diff=15723&oldid=15715&rcid=14374
20:06 <wrtlprnft> if that won't end in chaos...
20:07 <wrtlprnft> well, I'm calling clear() on the popup menu containing the entries for servers and stuff, and I'm clearing the array I'm saving it in locally
20:07 <wrtlprnft> dunno where other references might be
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> I think I did it a bit differently.  It's a QListView, and each item contains a reference to its corresponding alarm
20:08 <Lucifer_arma> those alarms also have references from somewhere else, but that array *is* getting cleared
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> but when I call QListView.clear() it's not clearing, and it's keeping the references, so when the new alarms get added, they get appended instead
20:09 <Lucifer_arma> the playlist works similarly, but it's segfaulting instead, heh.
20:12 <wrtlprnft> well, there probably isn't too much difference from the menu and the ListView
20:12 <wrtlprnft> I might try to destroy the entire KSysTray (and the KPopupMenu it contains), though…
20:35 <deja_vu> uhm
20:37 <deja_vu> does anyone here have experience with linux's cryptoloop support and how to fsck an encrypted 'partition'? :)
20:55 <ghableska> #lastseen Vanhayes
20:55 <armabot> ghableska: Vanhayes seems to be on Capture The Flag Sty right now.
20:56 <Vanhayes> lies
20:56 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu: not me
20:56 <Vanhayes> im not playing tron at all right now
20:56 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:56 <wrtlprnft> !
20:56 <wrtlprnft> teh something's wrong
20:56 <Vanhayes> #lastseen van
20:56 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen wrtlprnft 
20:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: VanGaynus seems to be on Capture The Flag Sty right now.
20:56 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft |mbc| has last been seen on 4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan} 22 hours 21 minutes ago.
20:56 <Vanhayes> heh
20:56 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
20:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 1 minutes ago.
20:56 <Vanhayes> there we go
20:56 <deja_vu> #lastseen deja_vu
20:56 <armabot> deja_vu: deja_vu has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 18 hours 43 minutes ago.
20:56 <Vanhayes> i just stoped playing heh
20:56 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: well, it updates once a minute
20:56 <deja_vu> muha
20:57 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu: you're being watched
20:57 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Icarus
20:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Icarus has last been seen on 4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan} 43 hours 34 minutes ago.
20:57 <deja_vu> i see *g*
20:57 <Vanhayes> wow almost 2 days
20:57 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ""
20:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: VSB seems to be on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server right now.
20:58 <Vanhayes> #lastseen john
20:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: Johneyy! seems to be on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress right now.
20:58 <Vanhayes> #lastseen zero
20:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: Zero has last been seen on Laura Epsilon (small, high speed) 1 hours 7 minutes ago.
20:58 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ikono
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20:59 <wrtlprnft> seems to be pretty fast still
21:06 <mkzelda> vangayes
21:06 <mkzelda> u playin?
21:16 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen Dr Joe Tron
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21:34 <mkzelda> if i hit F1 during 3,2,1, GO it makes the screen go black
21:34 <mkzelda> f1 is my /team 
21:35 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:35 <mkzelda> but it makes the game go black, overlay is there but unupdated
21:35 <mkzelda> rest of hud is there
21:35 <mkzelda> have to disconnect/reconnect or wait for round end
21:35 <wrtlprnft> kinda weird
21:35 <mkzelda> ya
21:35 <wrtlprnft> second
21:35 <mkzelda> i've done it twice
21:36 <mkzelda> lemme nail it down some more
21:36 <wrtlprnft> see if it works with other keys ending in \ too
21:39 <wrtlprnft> grr, name resolution doesn't work for me anymore...
21:39 <wrtlprnft> can't test
21:39 <wrtlprnft> something's borked
21:41 <wrtlprnft> worked now, bug doesn't happen to me
21:43 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen Lucifer
21:43 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I haven't seen anyone matching “lucifer” yet, sorry.
21:45 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen luzifer
21:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Luzifer has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 23 hours 39 minutes ago.
21:45 <wrtlprnft> darn fake
21:45 <ghableska> :P
21:46  * [Xpert]DarkStar rode the fastest train of the world today
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21:47 <wrtlprnft> won't notice a lot inside anywase
21:47 <wrtlprnft> *anyways
21:47 <ghableska> darn, it stopped raining
21:48 <ghableska> #weather
21:48 <armabot> ghableska: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
21:48 <ghableska> #weather 50265
21:48 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 62.6°F (1:54 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa. 
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21:48 <ghableska> hum
21:48 <wrtlprnft> you guys know these numbers by heart?
21:48 <ghableska> lol
21:48 <wrtlprnft> oh
21:48 <wrtlprnft> it's a zip code
21:48 <wrtlprnft> nvm
21:48 <ghableska> yeah ;)
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
21:49 <wrtlprnft> #cn 81669
21:49 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 96.4°F (2:45 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa. 
21:49 <wrtlprnft> #weather 81669
21:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "81669".
21:49 <wrtlprnft> bah
21:49 <ghableska> :P
21:49 <wrtlprnft> that's a german zip code
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> I want some milk!
21:49 <ghableska> o.0
21:49 <Lucifer_arma> my coffee grows cold
21:50 <Lucifer_arma> I can type pretty fast, but not fast enough to keep up with this song
21:50  * ghableska is reminded of a USB-powered cup warmer
21:50  * wrtlprnft has one that uses a candle o_O
21:50  * Lucifer_arma is waiting to see what happens when the song ends
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21:52 <ghableska> wb
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I have a media player that plays one song and then blows up
21:53 <Lucifer_arma> that's quite an improvement, really
21:53 <ghableska> :)
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> here goes, maybe it won't blow up this time
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> we fell in love at first sight, I can't explain the feelings when I first saw yoooooouuuuuuuuu
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> we were so so happy, a lifetime of love sweet honey child, you'll always be miiine
21:54 <wrtlprnft> x_X
21:54 <ghableska> lol
21:54 <Lucifer_arma> but then I playe dthe fool.  I never meant to hurt you, or sleep with all your friends
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> we reconciled we found ourselves, our love ws meant to be, oh baby can't you see, ohohohohohohohoh!
21:55 <Lucifer_arma> I can keep up with this song :)
21:55  * Lucifer_arma is playing short songs to shorten the development cycle :)
21:55 <ghableska> :D
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> joey give me some tissue
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> yes, now it's playing another song!  :)
21:56 <Lucifer_arma> it's playing the censored version :(
21:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's playing fine, but apparently my ogg collection is pretty broke
22:06 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6177 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/swig/ext/armagetronad/tools/ (tArray.i tConfiguration.i tMemManager.i tRing.i tools.i): Added a few interface files
22:10 <ghableska> #weather 50265
22:10 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 62.6°F (2:54 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa. 
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I got something weird going on
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> I think
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> I have two variables that are boolean, and when one is True and the second is False, only then, a line of code should be executed
22:13 <Lucifer_arma> self.isPlaying and not (self.blockshift == False)   <--- this evaluates correctly for some reason
22:14 <Lucifer_arma> isPlaying should be true, and blockshift should be false
22:22 <wrtlprnft> >… and not (self.bs == False)
22:22 <wrtlprnft> what about … and self.bs?
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22:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why does configure (armagetron) complain about ftgl missing tho igot ftgl?
22:30 <wrtlprnft> uh
22:31 <wrtlprnft> i think the ftgl checking is quite weak right now
22:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :/
22:31 <wrtlprnft> as ftgl doesn't seem to have a working helper script for autoconf like other libs do
22:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how do i fix it?
22:32 <wrtlprnft> well, the stuff that's checking is in src/configure.ac:679…
22:32 <wrtlprnft> as for fixing it, i dunno
22:33 <wrtlprnft> it probably
22:33 <wrtlprnft> a) doesn't find libftgl
22:33 <wrtlprnft> or
22:33 <wrtlprnft> b) it doesn't contain FT_Render_Glyph
22:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrrmm
22:34 <wrtlprnft> for a) you might wanna run something like find /usr -name 'libftgl*'
22:35 <wrtlprnft> for b) you might wanna run something like nm /usr/<pathtolibftgl.*> | grep FT_Render_Glyph
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22:35 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: the point was that was wrong.  It reads like this to me:
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> True and not (False == False)  --->  True and not True
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> which should always evaluate to False, if I'm reading it right
22:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:36 <wrtlprnft> anyways, that's too complicated :P
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but that's what "worked".  That is, it worked when I click "next", but if I let the song end on its own then the player stops
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> the problem is when a track ends, it needs to tell the player it's done so the player can start another one, and that needs to be different from when the user tells it to play the next song
22:37 <wrtlprnft> x_X
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> I think I might have fixed it by moving the code that calls the callback
22:37 <wrtlprnft> what does an alarm clock have to do with songs anyways?
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> seems like the inherent problem is a race condition
22:37 <wrtlprnft> are you trying to have it play your favorite songs to wake you up?
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> um, alarm clock goes off it plays music
22:38 <wrtlprnft> multiple tracks?
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22:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah, if you don't wake up during the first song it should play another song, right?
22:38 <wrtlprnft> if you aren't awake after the first one you'd better keep on sleeping anyways
22:39 <GodTodd> your alarm clock is racist?
22:39 <GodTodd> that sucks
22:39 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:39 <DrJoeTron> does it not have a color display?
22:39 <GodTodd> <Lucifer_arma> seems like the inherent problem is a race condition
22:39 <DrJoeTron> zing!
22:39 <wrtlprnft> for colored people it just plays an annoying beep
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> you see two cars racing down the street and say "look, those cars are racist"?
22:40 <DrJoeTron> i do
22:40 <GodTodd> yep
22:40 <DrJoeTron> and i give them a talking to
22:40 <GodTodd> but only if they're having problems
22:40 <DrJoeTron> until one of them pulls a knife on me
22:40 <GodTodd> cuz then it's a "race problem"
22:40 <DrJoeTron> ha cha cha!
22:41 <Lucifer_arma> ok, time to get out the big guns
22:41  * Lucifer_arma searches python's site for mutex
22:41 <GodTodd> that actually explains a lot of why southerners like nascar ;)
22:41 <GodTodd> *zing*
22:42 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
22:42 <DrJoeTron> i love drag racing
22:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: what can i do about b?
22:42 <DrJoeTron> nascar not so much
22:42 <GodTodd> so...you're a racist that likes transvestites?
22:42 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: uh, what does the command for b) return?
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm well... it's a ><
22:43 <wrtlprnft> ><?
22:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> like X-D
22:43 <wrtlprnft> what does it do if you omit the grep part?
22:44  * wrtlprnft notes he wrote nm, not rm
22:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> show me the contents of /usr of course
22:44 <wrtlprnft> 22:35 <wrtlprnft> for b) you might wanna run something like nm /usr/<pathtolibftgl.*> | grep FT_Render_Glyph
22:44 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah thought you were talking about a
22:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but what if there is no libftgl tho i emerged it?
22:45 <wrtlprnft> 22:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: what can i do about b?
22:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah i know
22:45 <wrtlprnft> uh, there should be a libftgl somewhere...
22:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but as i did "emerge ftgl" i assumed it was there
22:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> which it is not
22:46 <wrtlprnft> well, it should be in /usr/lib
22:46 <wrtlprnft> whith a name befinning with libftgl
22:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's not
22:46 <wrtlprnft> otherwise i suggest you look at the output of that emerge
22:46 <wrtlprnft> it tells you about every file it creates
22:47  * [Xpert]DarkStar is rerunning the emerge
22:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> besides the stuff in /usr/share/doc it only created one file
22:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar>  /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ftgl.pc
22:48 <wrtlprnft> then something went wrong with o
22:48 <wrtlprnft> *it
22:48 <wrtlprnft> not our fault, anyways
22:49  * wrtlprnft curses the guy who put the backspace key so close to return
22:49  * [Xpert]DarkStar curses at the guy who invented laptop keyboards
22:50 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> mine is fune
22:50 -!- CraYSuPeRcOm [n=icechat5@adsl-65-69-71-88.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net] has joined #armagetron
22:50 <wrtlprnft> *fine
22:50 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> small keys and stuff...
22:50 <CraYSuPeRcOm> hoolaaa
22:50 <CraYSuPeRcOm> shello
22:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and the spacebar of my amilo is half dead
22:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi CraYSuPeRcOm 
22:50  * wrtlprnft curses the guy who bound chat to s in arma ;)
22:50 <CraYSuPeRcOm> ji dark star
22:51 <CraYSuPeRcOm> lol
22:51 <DrJoeTron> s!
22:51 <wrtlprnft> sx_X
22:51 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-71-248-196-158.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
22:51 <DrJoeTron> hey
22:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and the damn soundcard in the laptop is dying too -.-
22:52 <CraYSuPeRcOm> i need some tweaks for armangetronad in linux, when running windows i get a stable 60fps, in linux "Suse10.1" i get a varible frame rate from 40-120, this is very naucious
22:53  * wrtlprnft gets a not–so–constant ~20fps
22:53  * CraYSuPeRcOm new to linux
22:53 <Your_mom_arma> hi
22:54 <CraYSuPeRcOm> hi mom
22:54 <DrJoeTron> time to see if someone wants to "become a lobster" today
22:54  * Lucifer_arma curses the guy who keeps cursing everybody
22:54 <CraYSuPeRcOm> any suggestions?
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, nauseous is spelled differently than that
22:55 <CraYSuPeRcOm> i know this man!
22:55 <DrJoeTron> i do
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> max all your settings and your fps should stabilize
22:55 <DrJoeTron> put windows on it :d
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> of course, it'll stabilize at the lowest possible fps...
22:55 <CraYSuPeRcOm> lol
22:55  * Lucifer_arma waits for wrtlprnft's nitpick
22:55 <wrtlprnft> CraYSuPeRcOm: i don't deal with that kind of framerate :P
22:55 <CraYSuPeRcOm> swhich was about 22fps, 
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have any useful suggestions, sorry
22:56 <CraYSuPeRcOm> dammit the S appeared again
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> what version is it?
22:56  * wrtlprnft nitpicks Lucifer_arma: It's “framerate”, guy!
22:56 <CraYSuPeRcOm>
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> er, you lost me after
22:56  * wrtlprnft loves these version numbers
22:57 <CraYSuPeRcOm>
22:57  * DrJoeTron wants more utilization of resources 
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> damn, 4 digits is too many!  Why'd we have to release one with 5?
22:57 <wrtlprnft>
22:57 <DrJoeTron> beta_5
22:57 <DrJoeTron> a typo was fixed in this version
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> I think there's a Riemann Sum in our version numbering
22:57 <wrtlprnft> ah
22:57 <CraYSuPeRcOm> rc6-190
22:58 <DrJoeTron> CraYSuPeRcOm what happened in that release?
22:58 <CraYSuPeRcOm> space ships
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> added gungan translation
22:58 <Your_mom_arma> i thought ther was som cos(pi) in our version number somewhere
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #g cos(pi)
22:58 <armabot> cos(pi) = -1
22:58 <wrtlprnft> duh
22:58 <Your_mom_arma> shhh
22:58 <wrtlprnft> sould have known that
22:58 <DrJoeTron> haha
22:58  * wrtlprnft was thinking real slow
22:58  * Lucifer_arma nitpicks wrtlprnft: you don't know that one by heart?
22:59 <wrtlprnft> well
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> quick, what's the cos(pi/4) ?
22:59 <wrtlprnft> #g cos(pi degrees)
22:59 <armabot> cos(pi degrees) = 0.99849715
22:59  * CraYSuPeRcOm slaps DrJoeTron with a Guppy Fish
22:59 <wrtlprnft> there ya go
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> nope
22:59 <wrtlprnft> 2^(-2)
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> nope
22:59  * DrJoeTron stomps on CraYSuPeRcOm's pinky toe
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> er, yep
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:59 <wrtlprnft> no)
22:59 <wrtlprnft> 2^(-.5)
22:59 <wrtlprnft> x_X
22:59  * Lucifer_arma isn't so fast at rationalizing denominators
22:59 <wrtlprnft> stupid me
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> mmmm
22:59  * CraYSuPeRcOm Yells
23:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sqrt(-2)
23:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone for that?
23:00 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: nope
23:00 <wrtlprnft> #g cos(5i+7)
23:00 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:00 <wrtlprnft> bah
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> there's no sqrt(-2) = cos(x)
23:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #q sqrt(-2)
23:00 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 06:24 AM, March 27, 2006)
23:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> err
23:00 <wrtlprnft> lol
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha
23:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g sqrt(-2)
23:00 <armabot> sqrt(-2) = 1.41421356 i
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> good answer, armabot 
23:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's absolutely true
23:00 <wrtlprnft> #g (5i + 7) * (2i - 4)
23:00 <armabot> ((5 * i) + 7) * ((2 * i) - 4) = -38 - 6 i
23:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i = imaginary unit
23:00 <Lackadaisical> sqrt(2)*i
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> i = my penis
23:01 <wrtlprnft> it has a dot?
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> it's imaginary
23:01 <wrtlprnft> aaah
23:01 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: didnt know your penis was sqrt(-1) :P
23:01 <wrtlprnft> that's why you claim it's so big
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, it can't be represented with simple real numbers
23:01 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't even exist, so it can have any size
23:01 <wrtlprnft> ∞?
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> you need a vector!
23:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> an imaginary size
23:02 <wrtlprnft> #g ∞ - (∞+1)
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> 10000000000000 + 100000000000000000i
23:02 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:02 <wrtlprnft> BAH!
23:02 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #g i/i
23:02 <armabot> i / i = 1
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> #g x/x
23:02 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:02 <Your_mom_arma> well pi is exactly 3 sooo
23:02 <wrtlprnft> #g o_O
23:02 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:02 <Lackadaisical> length of vector (i,0)  is 1
23:03 <wrtlprnft> #g (the answer to life universe and everything * i + the answer to live the universe and everything)^(the answer to life the universe and everything)
23:03 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:03 <wrtlprnft> !
23:03  * Lucifer_arma fears the day when we'll need an integral to figure out arma's current version
23:03 <wrtlprnft> #g ((the answer to life universe and everything) * i + (the answer to live the universe and everything))^((the answer to life the universe and everything))
23:03 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:03 <wrtlprnft> !!!!!
23:04 <wrtlprnft> #g ((the answer to life universe and everything) * i + (the answer to life the universe and everything))^((the answer to life the universe and everything))
23:04 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:04 <wrtlprnft> !!!!
23:04 <wrtlprnft> #g the answer to life the universe and everyhing
23:04 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:04 <wrtlprnft> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
23:04 <armabot> the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
23:04 <wrtlprnft> #g (the answer to life the universe and everything) * 2
23:04 <armabot> the answer to life the universe and everything * 2 = 84
23:04 <wrtlprnft> #g (the answer to life the universe and everything) * i
23:04 <armabot> the answer to life the universe and everything * i = 42 i
23:04 <wrtlprnft> #g (((the answer to life the universe and everything) * i) + the answer to life the universe and everything)
23:04 <armabot> (the answer to life the universe and everything * i) + the answer to life the universe and everything = 42 + 42 i
23:05 <wrtlprnft> #g (((the answer to life the universe and everything) * i) + the answer to life the universe and everything) ^ (the answer to life the universe and everything)
23:05 <armabot> ((the answer to life the universe and everything * i) + the answer to life the universe and everything)^the answer to life the universe and everything = 3.14847396 * 10^(74) i
23:05 <wrtlprnft> now why didn't that work the first time?
23:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #q the answer to life the universe and everything
23:05 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Quote #15: "You see a body ripped appart, blood splatter on the ceiling, gore all over. Tell me, would you really suspect that worm making a run for it toward the door at 5 cm per minute? No you would not! - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 08:09 PM, April 25, 2006)
23:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> damn it
23:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> <<
23:05 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #g (3x+4y+6z)/(30*(Lucifer's Penis Size)
23:05 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:05 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
23:05 <armabot> the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
23:05 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 9
23:05 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #9: "he eats a bowl of wheat stocks and small pebbles -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:28 PM, March 29, 2006)
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> #q
23:05 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Quote #8: "master your own mind, otherwise the game will destroy you -- Okgo" (added by n54 at 04:27 PM, March 29, 2006)
23:06 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #news
23:06 <armabot> CraYSuPeRcOm: News for #armagetron: (#4) Armabot now has a message command; (#9) testbug
23:06 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #clock
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> that's really old news
23:06 <wrtlprnft> #g Lucifer_arma's penis size
23:06 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 * 10^(-100)
23:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #q
23:06 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Quote #13: "<hang3r> How many microbuscity's does it take to change a light bulb?" (added by hang3r at 07:41 AM, March 31, 2006)
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> #help g
23:06 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google calc".
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> #g penis size
23:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (google calc <expression>) -- Uses Google's calculator to calculate the value of <expression>.
23:07 <wrtlprnft> #g Lucifer_arma's penis size
23:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 * 10^(-100) centimetres
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> #g my penis size
23:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 1 * 10^(-100) centimetres
23:07 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:07 <wrtlprnft> #g 1+2
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> I gotta see this on google
23:08 <wrtlprnft> #g 1+2
23:08 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
23:08 <wrtlprnft> ?!
23:08 <armabot> pong
23:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g 1 + 2
23:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:08 <Your_mom_arma> good luck finding the admin wrtlprnft ;-)
23:08 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1 + 2 = 3
23:08 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: 1 + 2 = 3
23:08 <wrtlprnft> !
23:09 <wrtlprnft> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
23:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
23:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g pi
23:09 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: 1 * 10^(-100) centimetres
23:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sure?
23:09 <wrtlprnft> #g pi
23:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: pi = 3.14159265
23:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g pi
23:09 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: pi = 3.14159265
23:10 <Your_mom_arma> omg hax imho roflcopter bbq lollerskates
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> #g my penis size
23:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:10 <wrtlprnft> it gave up
23:10 <wrtlprnft> you won't learn it anyways
23:11 <Your_mom_arma> #g my dignity
23:11 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g god
23:11 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g darkstar
23:11 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> #google my penis size
23:11 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.30 seconds: Google Answers: Penis size: <http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=2232>; The Definitive Penis Size Survey: <http://www.sizesurvey.com/quest.html>; Penis size answers | Quick answers | Men's Health: <http://www.menshealth.co.uk/answers/group.phtml?id=5>; Can I make my penis bigger? | Quick answers | Men's Health: (3 more messages)
23:11 <Your_mom_arma> creepy
23:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #google stfu
23:12 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Search took 0.29 seconds: Flash » STFU: <http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/stfu.php>; stfu newbie - stupid noob: <http://www.starterupsteve.com/swf/stfunoob.html>; ThinkGeek :: STFU University: <http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/backtoschool/78ae/>; ThinkGeek :: STFU: <http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/mugs/3788/>; STFU: <http://stfu.regicide.org/>; STFU : the Art of Lea Johnson: (1 more message)
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> that's not the same search results I got on google's frontend
23:12 <wrtlprnft> you using personalized search?
23:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> now that amd owns ati...
23:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> do i have to say i got an amd radeon 9600 in my laptop?
23:13 <ghableska> O_O
23:13 <Your_mom_arma> no because its pre established as the former brand?
23:14 <[Xpert]DarkStar> k
23:15  * [Xpert]DarkStar wonders why glxgears is running at fewer fps than q3 on this card...
23:15 <wrtlprnft> framerate!
23:15 <wrtlprnft> lower framerate, to be exact
23:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> details
23:15 <Your_mom_arma> first person shooter
23:16 <Your_mom_arma> flakey personal sharp-shooter
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> fucking shit police
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> err
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i mean
23:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> fucking police shit
23:17 <[Xpert]DarkStar> just because an abbreviation is ambiguous dun mean you gotta play the master teacher damnit
23:17 <wrtlprnft> i don't care about it being ambiguous
23:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you just need to comment it, eh?
23:18 <wrtlprnft> “frames per second” and “framerate” are totally different things
23:18 <wrtlprnft> and the ignorance about this fact annoys me
23:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> actually i still have no clue why glxgears is running at a lower framerate than q3
23:18 <Your_mom_arma> firm parchement syllabus
23:18 <wrtlprnft> abbreviate framerate frmrt or fre or whatever if you like
23:19 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: uh, window size?
23:19 <wrtlprnft> also glxgears isn't exactly efficient
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> glxgears at default window size
23:19 <Your_mom_arma> frivoulus redundent matriarchal resistant tanning
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and q3 at 1280x800
23:20 <Your_mom_arma> #cyborg fre
23:20 <Lucifer_arma> http://secure.condomania.com/
23:20 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: F.R.E.: Functional Robotic Entity
23:21 <Your_mom_arma> #cyborg frmrt
23:21 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: F.R.M.R.T.: Functional Robotic Machine Responsible for Troubleshooting
23:22  * Lucifer_arma intends to keep using fps the way he uses it just to annoy wrtlprnft 
23:22 <Your_mom_arma> #cyborg fps
23:22 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: F.P.S.: Facsimile Programmed for Sabotage
23:22 <Lucifer_arma> mostly because I'm annoyed by the level of nitpicking around here
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23:23 <Lucifer_arma> my favorite fps is 60!
23:23 <wrtlprnft> “language should be spoken properly” o_O
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> my favorite inch is 5
23:23 <wrtlprnft> not that i liked that one
23:23 <wrtlprnft> /ignore Lucifer_arma 
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> my favorite centimeter is none
23:24 <Lucifer_arma> good, if he ignores me he'll also quit nitpicking me, bonus!
23:24 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:24  * wrtlprnft nitpicks Lucifer_arma for no reason
23:24 <wrtlprnft> just for dun
23:24 <wrtlprnft> *fun
23:24 <Your_mom_arma> #quote get 4
23:24 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #4: "left vertical bar is brakes, right one is an early-90s roleplaying game made by White Wolf before they went all Magic: The Gathering happy -- armabot (markov)" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 06:24 AM, March 27, 2006)
23:25 <wrtlprnft> anyways, you defined nitpicking as being annoying without offering a solution
23:25 <wrtlprnft> i do!
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> when did I define it as that?
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> #dict nitpicking
23:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn: nitpicking adj : quibbling over insignificant details; "caviling pettifoggers and quiggling pleaders"-Edmund Burke; "her nagging and carping attack"; "thought her editor unnecessarily nitpicking"; "a pettifogging lawyer's mind"; "had no patience with quibbling critics" [syn: {caviling}, {carping}, {pettifogging}, {quibbling}]
23:25 <Your_mom_arma> pettifogging
23:25 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> #dict nitpick
23:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn and moby-thes responded: wn: nitpick v : be overly critical; criticize minor details; moby-thes: 40 Moby Thesaurus words for "nitpick": around the bush, beat about, beg the question, bicker, boggle, carp, catch at straws, cavil, choplogic, cut up, dodge, equivocate, evade, evade the issue, fault-find, fence, find fault, hedge, mystify, obscure, palter, parry, pettifog, pick holes, pick nits, (1 more message)
23:26 <wrtlprnft> well, that's just not minor!
23:26 <wrtlprnft> discussing some boring war in iraq is minor
23:26 <wrtlprnft> not
23:26 <Your_mom_arma> #dict pettifogging
23:26 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: wn and gcide responded: wn: pettifogging See {pettifog}; gcide: Pettifogging \Pet"ti*fog`ging\, n. Pettifoggery. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Pettifogging \Pet"ti*fog`ging\, a. Paltry; quibbling; mean. [1913 Webster]; wn: pettifog v : argue over petty things; "Let's not quibble over pennies" [syn: {quibble}, {niggle}, {bicker}, {squabble}, {brabble}] [also: {pettifogging}, {pettifogged}]; wn: (2 more messages)
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, that's a good one
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> to wife: Quit pettifogging with me!
23:27 <DrJoeTron> time to pl,ay some grid wars
23:27 <Lucifer_arma> don't you mean Grid Wars?
23:28 <ghableska> hehe
23:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> picky picky ><
23:28 <DrJoeTron> dont you mean "Don't you mean GridWars?"?
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> don't you mean "don't you mean "Don't you mean GridWars?"?"?
23:29 <DrJoeTron> ah fuck it, i cant win any grammar battles unless they just installed the game and dont know how to type
23:29 <wrtlprnft> didn't you mean to use “these quotes”?
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> heh
23:29 <Lucifer_arma> at least you spelled grammar right, that would have annoyed wrtlprnft 
23:30 <DrJoeTron> hahaha!
23:30 <DrJoeTron> grid wars is on www.download.com
23:30 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I better go dish some washes
23:30 <DrJoeTron> thats funny to me
23:30  * wrtlprnft (nitpicks DrJoeTron): you mean “http://download.com/”?
23:31  * Lucifer_arma thinks programmers nitpick because they spend all day being nitpicked by a machine and need to get their frustration out on a real person
23:31 <DrJoeTron> nope, i meant what i said
23:31 <wrtlprnft> the “www” is useless, the “http://” is not
23:31 <DrJoeTron> i just opened up the window
23:31 <DrJoeTron> so i guess it isnt useless
23:31 <DrJoeTron> :D
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> works for me, too
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> use an irc client that isn't useless, willya?
23:32 <wrtlprnft> let's see
23:32 <wrtlprnft> #fetch www.download.com
23:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'www.download.com' is not a valid url.
23:32 <wrtlprnft> #fetch http://download.com/
23:32 <armabot> wrtlprnft: '\n\n\n\n\n\n\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n\n\n<title>Free Software Downloads and Software Reviews - Download.com</title>\n\n\n    <meta name="description" content="Find the software you\'re looking for at Download.com, the most comprehensive source for free-to- (5 more messages)
23:32 <wrtlprnft> there ya go
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> see what I mean?  he just got nitpicked by a machine
23:32 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft thats why we don't have robots doing our work
23:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #fetch http://www.download.com/
23:32 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: '\n\n\n\n\n\n\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n\n\n<title>Free Software Downloads and Software Reviews - Download.com</title>\n\n\n    <meta name="description" content="Find the software you\'re looking for at Download.com, the most comprehensive source for (5 more messages)
23:32 <wrtlprnft> the http:// tells you it's a url/uri
23:32 <wrtlprnft> the www. tels you nothing
23:32 <Lucifer_arma> that's the host
23:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the :// does tell that in fact
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> it's not "nothing"
23:33 <wrtlprnft> www.asdf.com@wrtlprnft.de is a valid email address
23:33 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: well, a http url
23:33 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: if you know it's an URI but don't know the protocol you can't do anything with it
23:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ofc
23:33 <Lucifer_arma> is it really?  so if I put that on my website that gets crawled by spambots at high fps then they'll send email to that address?
23:33 <spidey> www. tells you world wide web
23:33 <spidey> :p
23:34 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it's an useless relict of old times
23:34 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft you could always click the link, that works much faster than having it be nit picked by a bot
23:34 <spidey> why bitch about something, it doens't matter if it's downloads.com , http://downloads.com www.downloads.come , they all work
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> no it's not, it's useful to use as your webserver a host that says it is
23:34 <wrtlprnft> these days there's so many single IPs that host hundreds of different domains the www is really useless
23:34 <Lucifer_arma> just like people use ftp, gopher, irc, etc to signal what the server does
23:34 <wrtlprnft> #fetch downloads.com
23:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'downloads.com' is not a valid url.
23:34 <wrtlprnft> how does that work?
23:34 <spidey> fuck a irc bot
23:35 <spidey> put downloads.com in your browser
23:35 <spidey> it does load right?
23:35 <wrtlprnft> how do i know?
23:35 <DrJoeTron> fuck you armabot !
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> how does what work?  It just makes it easier for someone reading the host and shit to see what the server is for
23:35 <CraYSuPeRcOm> SPidey Play NIce
23:35 <wrtlprnft> i could put it into my ftp client
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23:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> spidey: i bet one can find a browser where it doesnt
23:35 <wrtlprnft> or my irc client
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> why would you point a web browser at http://ftp.someplace.com ?
23:35 <wrtlprnft> why not?
23:35 <DrJoeTron> thats not answering the question!
23:35 <spidey> lol
23:36 <wrtlprnft> so many times ftp.someplace.com and www.someplace.com point to the same IP…
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> because you can see in its name that it's intended to be an ftp server, so you can't expect a webserver to be there
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> so you have redundant names for the same IP address, big deal?
23:36 <wrtlprnft> well, if you say ftp://someplace.com/ I know for sure it's an FTP site!
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> er, different names for the same IP address, what's wrong with that?
23:36 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that they don't tell me anything
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23:37 <DrJoeTron> they do if you click it
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's true, but there are still many programs that don't use the protocol part anyway and don't understand it
23:37 <DrJoeTron> its amazing what happens when you click it
23:37 <wrtlprnft> i don't even mind if someone tells me to go to http://ftp.someplace.com/
23:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ?
23:37 <wrtlprnft> most browsers do
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> really?  but tht's clearly supposed to be a webserver.  You'll nitpick fps but not that?
23:37 <DrJoeTron> but god forbid if they put it www.someplace.com
23:37 <Lucifer_arma> I said "programs", and a browser is just one kind of program
23:37 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: i don't
23:38 <wrtlprnft> i hate if people say, “go to www.someplace.com”
23:38  * [Xpert]DarkStar is afk to brush teeth
23:38 <DrJoeTron> whats wrong with it
23:38 <DrJoeTron> you're actually typing less
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's gotta sound really bad with a german accent
23:38 <wrtlprnft> if they say, “go to http://www.someplace.com/” i'm fine
23:38  * spidey thinks wrtlprnft is turning into a Luke-Jr 
23:38 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: ever heard about copy and paste?
23:38  * Lucifer_arma agrees with spidey
23:38 <DrJoeTron> whats the point if it works
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I copy and paste "www.someplace.com"
23:38  * wrtlprnft thinks turning into Luke-Jr is way nicer than turning into spidey 
23:39 <spidey> not really
23:39 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: does it?
23:39 <DrJoeTron> yeah
23:39 <spidey> just means we all get to pick on you
23:39 <DrJoeTron> i clicked it and it went to the site
23:39 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: if it's http:// most IRC clients will make it a link
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> mine makes it a link and so does his
23:39 <wrtlprnft> the www. is a dirty hack
23:39 <spidey> if you didn't use a retarded irc client, you COULD click www.
23:39 <DrJoeTron> spidey's should work
23:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, www. indicates it's a webserver, so what's wrong with making it a link?
23:39 <spidey> mine does
23:39 <DrJoeTron> considering im on the same client
23:39 <spidey> :p
23:40 <spidey> either way
23:40 <spidey> right click the link
23:40 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: where's the standard that defines www.* as a http address?
23:40 <DrJoeTron> and it opens it
23:40 <spidey> "launch in webbrowser
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> it's by convention, following the same conventions people used for ftp, gopher, telnet, etc loooong before any of you guys were born
23:40 <spidey> lol
23:40 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think the geeks that brought the internet up from nothing into the 90s were too stupid to come up with good conventions, so I'm less likely to question some of the really old ones
23:40 <wrtlprnft> so we're hanging on that old standard?
23:40 <CraYSuPeRcOm> does anyone really use telnet anymore
23:41 <wrtlprnft> i do if netcat isn't installed
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> I know of a couple of eBBSes that require telnet to connect
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> none of them have anybody younger than 30 on them, though :)
23:41 <wrtlprnft> though i've never used it for remote login
23:42 <DrJoeTron> wrtlprnft does the web site not open up for you when you click it im taking it?
23:42 <CraYSuPeRcOm> i used it at school in1999-2001
23:42 <CraYSuPeRcOm> sbut never agian
23:42 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: it never does :P
23:42 <spidey> i'm going to play warrock, tell me when Luke-Jr has lost control of wrtlprnft's brain
23:43  * wrtlprnft is using a console client
23:43 <DrJoeTron> well then that would make perfect sense
23:43 <wrtlprnft> but it's easier to copy and paste with the http
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> he's just complaining because it doesn't work for him, and everybody should change their ways to accomodate him
23:43 <wrtlprnft> opera's irc client doesn't turn www.something into links either, btw
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I can just do a simple select->middle-click to deal with it (which I do anyway because my irc client doesn't open firefox for some reason)
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> too bad opera's not free software, you could change that
23:44 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: why would you?
23:44 <wrtlprnft> they've got a good reason not to support www.something
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> um, actually, I wouldn't.  I'd use a good browser instead
23:44 <wrtlprnft> it's a dirty hack after all
23:44 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, that's conflicting
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> you're saying that adware wouldn't use a dirty hack?
23:44 <wrtlprnft> adware?
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> adware, opera's adware
23:44 <wrtlprnft> ?!
23:44 <wrtlprnft> not.
23:45 <CraYSuPeRcOm> just change progrmas
23:45 <spidey> DrJoeTron, warrock?
23:45 <wrtlprnft> CraYSuPeRcOm: who?
23:45 <wrtlprnft> CraYSuPeRcOm: and why?
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> I'll admit it's been a couple of years since I last used opera, but last time I used it they took 2/3 of my screen to place ads
23:45 <DrJoeTron> spidey nah, i need more ram to play anything 
23:45 <wrtlprnft> CraYSuPeRcOm: what is my program doing wrong?
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> so I deleted it and said "I don't use adware"
23:46 <spidey> nah
23:46 <spidey> i play warrock on 512mb just fine
23:46 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, that changed
23:46 <DrJoeTron> i can play most games
23:46 <DrJoeTron> just not bf2
23:46 <DrJoeTron> because ea makes crap
23:46 <wrtlprnft> and anyways, i paid for a license as opera rocked even then
23:46 <CraYSuPeRcOm> ]what is warrock?
23:46 <spidey> DrJoeTron, then lets play warrock :p
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> and you didn't get the source?  sounds like you got ripped off
23:46 <DrJoeTron> nah
23:46 <spidey> :/
23:47 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ?
23:47 <wrtlprnft> i got a license to get rid of the ads
23:47 <spidey> that's immoral software man!
23:47 <wrtlprnft> ?!
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> heh, with all these good free browsers, you paid to get rid of ads
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> and you nitpick us?  heh
23:47 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: first of all, firefox didn't exist back then
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> sure it did, it was called Mozilla
23:48 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: second, firefox doesn't qualify as a good browser for me
23:48 <wrtlprnft> oh, yeah
23:48 <wrtlprnft> that memory–eating, lame–ass thing?
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> I've been using it since about 0.93 or so
23:48 <wrtlprnft> whith that stylish dark gray user interface!
23:48 <wrtlprnft> gotta love it!
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> you know, mozilla's been themeable since it was brand new
23:49 <spidey> lol
23:49 <wrtlprnft> to eat even more ram and be even more slow
23:49 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:49 <spidey> ....
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> it's raging fast these days
23:49 <spidey> mine's at default and it looks just like any other window
23:49 <wrtlprnft> well, i can theme opera like that too
23:49 <wrtlprnft> just load some 500MB files into it
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> really?  you can use simple javascript with opera to write large complex applications?
23:49 <spidey> memory eating? it only uses 42mb
23:50 <wrtlprnft> i wouldn't cast something that takes five seconds to render some PNG fast
23:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey: same here, if i don't open a page
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> ?
23:50 <DrJoeTron> firefox.eze is using 17,992 K under memory usage
23:50 <wrtlprnft> though i didn't get past 30, it crashed
23:50 <DrJoeTron> exe*
23:50 <spidey> wrtlprnft, your fault
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> I've had firefox running on this machine for about 3 days nonstop now...
23:51 <spidey> runs just fine for me, and doesn't get above 45mb no matter how many windows open
23:51 <spidey> windows/tabs
23:51 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: lame
23:51 <DrJoeTron> but wrtlprnft was right, back then it was really slow
23:51 <wrtlprnft> i sometimes get it to weeks
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> lame how?
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> firefox?  that's great!
23:51 <wrtlprnft> no
23:51 <spidey> haha
23:51 <wrtlprnft> opera
23:51  * Lucifer_arma notes he has to turn off his computer to take it to school
23:51 <spidey> wrtlprnft, can you tweak opera?
23:51 <wrtlprnft> spidey: sure
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> so if you consider that "lame", I'd hate to hear what you think is cool
23:52 <spidey> you can make it load pages faster?
23:52 <DrJoeTron> i didnt like opera
23:52 <wrtlprnft> though you get spared of that conflicting extension hell
23:52 <spidey> you can change the all round browser settings?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> spidey: turn off images and stylesheets :P
23:52 <DrJoeTron> extension hell?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> well
23:52 <spidey> that doesn't count
23:52 <DrJoeTron> what extension hell
23:52 <wrtlprnft> have some extension
23:52 <wrtlprnft> then update ff
23:52 <DrJoeTron> for firefox?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> then notice your extension isn't yet updated
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> is that becase opera doesn't support extensions?
23:52 <DrJoeTron> really? see i just updated my client for firefox
23:52 <DrJoeTron> everything is working fine
23:52 <wrtlprnft> so downgrade again even though the old version has a security hole
23:53 <DrJoeTron> all of me extensions
23:53 <wrtlprnft> then notice it still doesn't work
23:53 <DrJoeTron> they work just fine
23:53 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: from 1.0 to 1.5?
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23:53 <DrJoeTron> havent checked
23:53 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
23:53 <spidey> bout:config   put that in firefox :p
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: 
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> put About:Mozilla in IE
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's about:Netscape heh
23:54 <spidey> i don't use IE
23:54 <wrtlprnft> oh, opera's overall size together with mail client and everything you need extensions in firefox for is way smaller than ff alone
23:54  * Lucifer_arma notes they probably pulled that particular easter egg out a long time ago
23:54 <wrtlprnft> spidey: opera:config put that in opera
23:54 <spidey> only someone retarded would run IE in wine to
23:54 <spidey> :)
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> well of course not, it doesn't do half of what firefox does
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> the thing is, you're only seeing a web browser
23:54 <wrtlprnft> spidey: only some retard would run a real windows
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> so you judge it on that
23:55 <spidey> wrtlprnft, don't bitch because you don't know how to use windows
23:55 <wrtlprnft> on rendering acid2?
23:55 <wrtlprnft> spidey: i do
23:55 <spidey> and linux is a easy fallback
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> no, you judge it solely on what you see, which is the web browser
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> didn't I say that already?
23:55 <wrtlprnft> well, what do i see?
23:55 <wrtlprnft> i see something i could switch with IE immediately
23:55 <wrtlprnft> not much different
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> firefox under the hood is some pretty complex and featureful stuff
23:56 <wrtlprnft> you think opera isn't?
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> yes
23:56 <DrJoeTron> when you download firefox, your getting nothing more than a block of wood
23:56 <wrtlprnft> oh, really
23:56 <wrtlprnft> does it support webforms2?
23:56 <DrJoeTron> they give you a bunch of tools to make it into something rad
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
23:56 <wrtlprnft> does it support server–fed events?
23:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it doesn't
23:56 <DrJoeTron> i love my extensions
23:56 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
23:56 <wrtlprnft> o well
23:57 <wrtlprnft> i went through all the stuff i use in opera that ff doesn't have
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> what I do know is that a more proper comparison would be to compare firefox to Qt
23:57 <wrtlprnft> it requires me to install like 15 extensions
23:57 <DrJoeTron> i have 2
23:57 <wrtlprnft> oh, gtk sucks anyways
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> but that's still not quite a fair comparison
23:57 <DrJoeTron> one for ftp's
23:57 <DrJoeTron> one for turning flash off
23:57 <DrJoeTron> thats all ive needed
23:57 <Lucifer_arma> maybe if you compared it to like pyQt instead
23:58 <wrtlprnft> one for turning flash off? wow, that's a big feature
23:58 <wrtlprnft> one that opera has since… well, since flash exists
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I just don't install flash :)
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> no need to turn off what you didn't bother to install in the first place!
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> and it works in every single browser!  Except IE
23:59 <spidey> ie sucks anyways
23:59 <wrtlprnft> that's true
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> probably doesn't work in Opera either, but don't know that for a fact
23:59 <Your_mom_arma> i only use text based web browsers
23:59 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:59 <wrtlprnft> opera comes in two downloads
23:59 <wrtlprnft> one with flash, one without
23:59 <wrtlprnft> the one with flash is just a normal opera installer that runs the flash installer afterwards anyways
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> actually I might have flash installed right now, heh

Log from 2006-09-11:
--- Day changed Mon Sep 11 2006
00:00 <spidey> Vanhayes, 
00:00 <Your_mom_arma> if i have to look at a webpage in non ascii form then someone designed the site wrong
00:00 <spidey> wanna play warrock?
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if I can't read it in telnet, it's fucked up
00:00 <spidey> ...
00:00 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: true in most cases
00:00 <wrtlprnft> if it's a site that's supposed to show photos of some event you can't really help it
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> aalib
00:01 <wrtlprnft> well, of course
00:01 <Your_mom_arma> i just use a program to convert the pictures into ascii art
00:01  * Lucifer_arma whispers to Your_mom_arma: "That's what aalib is for"
00:02 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: well then, a site written in chinese isn't bad by design either
00:02 <wrtlprnft> but you still can't view it in ASCII
00:02 <wrtlprnft> or german for that matetr
00:02 <wrtlprnft> *matter
00:02 <Your_mom_arma> i like reading from right to left
00:03  * Your_mom_arma wonders if thats chinese or another language
00:03 <Your_mom_arma> do you read chinese from top to bottom?
00:03 <DrJoeTron> if the page cant be displayed  in "Bork Bork Bork" its useless
00:03 <Your_mom_arma> haha
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> if the page only works in Opera, then only Opera snobs will read it
00:04 <DrJoeTron> when i think opera, i instantly think Market Junkie
00:04 <DrJoeTron> which means its probably bad
00:04 <Your_mom_arma> wow
00:04 <DrJoeTron> since i havent used it before
00:05 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: unless it's a demonstration of some new technology opera invented those pages rarely exist
00:05 <DrJoeTron> wait scratch that
00:05 <Your_mom_arma> zyou must hate opera joe
00:05 <wrtlprnft> not invented
00:05 <wrtlprnft> implemented
00:05 <DrJoeTron> i havent used it since 2003
00:05 <DrJoeTron> i used it when IE was hijacked because i didnt have a virus scanner for 2 years
00:05 <wrtlprnft> usually stuff that has been standarized quite a while ago
00:05 <Lucifer_arma> does Opera call you a cockfag?
00:05  * Your_mom_arma bets you'll learn to get along with it for a week when you get it for the ds
00:05 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: ?
00:06 <DrJoeTron> im going to have to
00:06 <Your_mom_arma> then you'll either love it or throw it away
00:06 <DrJoeTron> or give it to wrtlprnft so he can use it for his ds
00:06 <DrJoeTron> as it takes 3 minutes to load www.cnn.com
00:06 <DrJoeTron> take that wrtlprnft!
00:06 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: don't have one
00:06 <DrJoeTron> aww you aught to
00:06  * wrtlprnft just goes to bed
00:06 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: why?
00:07 <ghableska> cya wrtlprnft
00:07 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: i can't have every device that supports opera
00:07 <DrJoeTron> we can play mario kart online together :D
00:07 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:07 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:07 <Your_mom_arma> cya wrtlprnft
00:07 <DrJoeTron> cya wrtl
00:08 <Your_mom_arma> if im going to buy opera for the ds i'll probobly get a wireless router
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00:12 <DrJoeTron> honestly id wait for the us release
00:12 <DrJoeTron> it seems like it connects to the japan servers
00:12 <DrJoeTron> thus making it ultra slow
00:12 -!- Netsplit over, joins: deja_vu
00:14 <DrJoeTron> yay i found my flash cartridge
00:14 <DrJoeTron> i still need to ship out my ds
00:14 <DrJoeTron> and Lucifer_arma's super cool computer
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00:22 <ghableska> #weather 50265
00:23 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 64.4°F (4:54 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa. 
00:23 <ghableska> hmm, the time is wrong
00:27 <Your_mom_arma> heh
00:28 <Your_mom_arma> thats the time when those conditions where current
00:28 <ghableska> hmpf
00:28 <ghableska> #weather 50265
00:28 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 64.4°F (4:54 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa. 
00:28 <ghableska> #cnn
00:29 <armabot> ghableska: (cnn <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
00:29 <ghableska> #cnn 50265
00:29 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, IA is 63.0°F. Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 93%. Wind: E at 12 mph (19 km/h).
00:33 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/10/how-to-hook-up-a-hard-drive-to-your-nintendo-ds/
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00:38 <Vanhayes> #cnn E5N 5C5
00:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Encino, CA is 82.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Sunny. Humidity: 32%. Wind: SE at 10 mph (16 km/h).
00:38 <Vanhayes> lame
00:38 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
00:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 59°F / 15°C | Humidity: 51% | Pressure: 30.20in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 30 percent chance of showers early this evening. Wind north 20 km/h becoming light this evening. Low 6.; Monday - Sunny with cloudy periods. High 17. UV index 5 or moderate. Monday night..clear. Low plus 5.; (1 more message)
00:38 <Vanhayes> #more
00:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Tuesday - Sunny. High 17.;
00:40 <Vanhayes> #g 82 F in C
00:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: 82 degrees Fahrenheit = 27.7777778 degrees Celsius
00:41 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
00:41 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Hunters Glen VIII, Plano, Texas is 94.5°F (5:41 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 55.4°F. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa. 
00:42 <Vanhayes> #g 94.5 F in C
00:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: 94.5 degrees Fahrenheit = 34.7222222 degrees Celsius
00:42 <Vanhayes> wow
00:42 <ghableska> warm
00:42 <GodTodd> yeah...it's pretty cool today
00:42 <ghableska> O_O
00:42 <ghableska> #cnn 50265
00:42 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, IA is 63.0°F. Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 93%. Wind: E at 12 mph (19 km/h).
00:42 <ghableska> wish it would rain more
00:42 <GodTodd> #cnn 75023
00:42 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Plano, TX is 89.0°F. Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Wind: SSE at 4 mph (6 km/h).
00:42 <Vanhayes> i doubt if it will go above 25 C here untill june
00:43 <GodTodd> wow...quite a difference
00:43 <ghableska> heh
00:43 <GodTodd> where is "weather" pulling from i wonder?
00:44 <ghableska> #weather 50265
00:44 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 62.6°F (5:28 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa. 
00:44 <GodTodd> 25 C in F
00:44 <GodTodd> bah
00:44 <GodTodd> #g 25 Cin F
00:44 <armabot> GodTodd: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
00:45 <GodTodd> #g 25 C in F
00:45 <armabot> GodTodd: 25 degrees Celsius = 77 degrees Fahrenheit
00:45 <Vanhayes> #weather Fredericton
00:45 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Fredericton, New Brunswick is 60.8°F (7:00 PM ADT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 37.4°F. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa. 
00:45 <Vanhayes> #weather Sussex
00:45 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Sussex, NJ is 69.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Sunny. Humidity: 60%. Wind: NNE at 6 mph (10 km/h).
00:46 <Vanhayes> hmm
00:46 <Vanhayes> #weather Moncton
00:46 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Moncton, New Brunswick is 55.4°F (7:00 PM ADT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa. 
00:47 <GodTodd> #weather Phoenix
00:47 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Phoenix, AZ is 93.0°F. Conditions: Partly Sunny. Humidity: 25%. Wind: CLM at 0 mph (0 km/h).
00:47 <Vanhayes> I wonder why Saint John has so much info and others dont
00:47 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
00:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 59°F / 15°C | Humidity: 51% | Pressure: 30.20in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 30 percent chance of showers early this evening. Wind north 20 km/h becoming light this evening. Low 6.; Monday - Sunny with cloudy periods. High 17. UV index 5 or moderate. Monday night..clear. Low plus 5.; (1 more message)
00:47 <ghableska> #weather New York City
00:47 <GodTodd> #weather paris
00:47 <armabot> GodTodd: Temperature: 66°F / 19°C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 12:30 AM CEST; Clear. High:80 ° F. / 27 ° C.; Clear. Low:57 ° F. / 14 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:86 ° F. / 30 ° C.; Clear. Low:59 ° F. / 15 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:78 ° F. / 26 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:57 ° F. / 14 ° C.;
00:47 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Central Park, New York is 69.8°F (5:51 PM EDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 53.6°F. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa. 
00:48 <ghableska> #weather London
00:48 <armabot> ghableska: Temperature: 63°F / 17°C | Humidity: 48% | Pressure: 30.28in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM EDT; Tonight - Cloudy. Wind becoming east 20 km/h overnight. Low 12.; Monday - Cloudy. 40 percent chance of showers late in the day. Wind east 20 km/h. High 20. Monday night..cloudy with 40 percent chance of showers. Wind east 20 km/h (1 more message)
00:48 <ghableska> #cnn London
00:48 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in London, England is 66.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Wind: S at 6 mph (10 km/h).
00:48 <ghableska> heh
00:48 <Vanhayes> #weather Capetown
00:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Cape Town, South Africa is 52.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Wind: SSE at 10 mph (16 km/h).
00:48 <ghableska> wow
00:48 <ghableska> it's cold
00:48 <Vanhayes> wow its warmer here than in south africa
00:49 <Vanhayes> #weather Cairo
00:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 77°F / 25°C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 1:30 AM EEST; Clear. High:98 ° F. / 37 ° C.; Clear. Low:73 ° F. / 23 ° C.; Clear. High:96 ° F. / 36 ° C.; Clear. Low:75 ° F. / 24 ° C.; Clear. High:93 ° F. / 34 ° C.; Clear. Low:71 ° F. / 22 ° C.;
00:49 <DrJoeTron> #weather Chicago
00:49 <MaZuffeR> #cnn Turku
00:49 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Cabrini Green, Chicago, Illinois is 61.2°F (5:31 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa. 
00:49 <armabot> MaZuffeR: The current temperature in Turku, Finland is 52.0°F. Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Wind: W at 4 mph (6 km/h).
00:49 <DrJoeTron> its sitty out side
00:49 <DrJoeTron> shitty*
00:49 <Vanhayes> heh
00:49 <ghableska> rain is the best!
00:49 <GodTodd> sitty? lots of chairs? ;)
00:49 <ghableska> :P
00:49 <GodTodd> what's rain?
00:50 <MaZuffeR> #weather Turku
00:50 <Vanhayes> its warm snow
00:50 <DrJoeTron> #weather seattle
00:50 <armabot> MaZuffeR: The current temperature in Turku, Finland is 50.0°F (1:20 AM EEST on September 11, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Windchill: 50.0°F. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa. 
00:50 <armabot> DrJoeTron: The current temperature in Seattle Boeing, Washington is 69.8°F (2:53 PM PDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 46.4°F. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa. 
00:50 <GodTodd> what's snow?
00:50 <DrJoeTron> aww seattle is getting better weather than we are
00:50 <Vanhayes> cold rain? :)
00:50 <GodTodd> what's rain? :P
00:50 <Vanhayes> heh i see a pattern
00:50 <GodTodd> me too
00:51 <GodTodd> #google rain
00:51 <ghableska> stuff you can drink 
00:51 <armabot> GodTodd: Search took 0.42 seconds: Rain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain>; RAIN National Public Internet: <http://www.rain.org/>; JSTOR: RAIN: <http://www.jstor.org/journals/03076776.html>; RAIN : Radio And Internet Newsletter: <http://www.kurthanson.com/>; RAN.org: Home: <http://www.ran.org/>; Rain Man (1988): <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095953/>; TIME.com: Rain -- (1 more message)
00:51 <DrJoeTron> cabrini green? why would we put a weather vein there
00:51 <Vanhayes> #weather tokyo
00:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 75°F / 24°C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 7:30 AM JST; Scattered Clouds. High:84 ° F. / 29 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:78 ° F. / 26 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:80 ° F. / 27 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:73 ° F. / 23 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:75 ° F. / 24 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:69 ° F. / 21 ° (1 more message)
00:51 <DrJoeTron> that place is a scum hole
00:51 <ghableska> #weather Barrow
00:51 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Barrow, Alaska is 32.0°F (2:37 PM AKDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Windchill: 23.0°F. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa. 
00:51 <ghableska> heh
00:51 <ghableska> there's some cold rain for you
00:51 <GodTodd> oh...rain....yeah...we've had that a couple of times this summer i think
00:51 <ghableska> ;)
00:51 <ghableska> jealous? :P
00:51 <Vanhayes> #g 32 F in C
00:51 <armabot> Vanhayes: 32 degrees Fahrenheit = 0 degrees Celsius
00:52 <Vanhayes> ha
00:52 <ghableska> lol
00:52 <Vanhayes> snow wouldnt last too long
00:52 <GodTodd> hahaha even *I* can do that conversion
00:52 <Vanhayes> heh well I barely ever use F
00:52 <GodTodd> i barely use C :P
00:53 <ghableska> metric pwns :P
00:53 <Vanhayes> #g 0 f in C
00:53 <armabot> Vanhayes: 0 degrees Fahrenheit = -17.7777778 degrees Celsius
00:53 <GodTodd> it's like 212F....you just know that's 100C
00:55 <Vanhayes> #weather Nunavut
00:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 25°F / -4°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.79in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM MDT; Chance of Snow. High:26 ° F. / -3 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:17 ° F. / -8 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:19 ° F. / -7 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:15 ° F. / -9 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. High:24 ° F. / -4 ° C.; Overcast. Low:22 ° F. / -5 ° C.;
00:55 <GodTodd> 5/9 F + 32 is the conversion i think....havent used it in forever heh 
00:55 <GodTodd> errr -32
00:55 <GodTodd> 9/5 C +32
00:55 <ghableska> #weather reykjavik
00:55 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Flétturimi/Grafavogur, Reykjavik, Iceland is 50.2°F (10:55 PM GMT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 29.46 in 997.5 hPa. 
00:56 <Vanhayes> #weather red deer
00:56 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Red Deer, Alberta is 69.8°F (4:00 PM MDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 46.4°F. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa. 
00:56 <Vanhayes> #weather moose jaw
00:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 65°F / 18°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Unknown | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM CST; Tonight - Cloudy with 30 percent chance of showers early this evening. Clearing this evening. Wind south 20 km/h becoming light this evening. Low 9.; Monday - Sunny. High 26. UV index 5 or moderate. Monday night..clear. Low 11.; Tuesday - (1 more message)
00:57 <ghableska> creative names
00:57 <Vanhayes> #weather white horse
00:57 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Whitehorse, Yukon Territory is 50.0°F. Conditions: Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Wind: SSE at 14 mph (23 km/h).
00:57 <MaZuffeR> #weather porvoo
00:57 <Vanhayes> I love canada
00:57 <armabot> MaZuffeR: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "porvoo".
00:57 <MaZuffeR> #cnn porvoo
00:57 <armabot> MaZuffeR: Error: No such location could be found.
00:57 <Your_mom_arma> #weather the middle of the atlantic
00:57 <Vanhayes> where is porvoo?
00:57 <ghableska> #weather mcmurdo
00:57 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "the middle of the atlantic".
00:57 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in McMurdo, Antarctica is -14.8°F (9:00 AM NZST on September 11, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -25.6°F. Pressure: 28.99 in 982 hPa (Falling). 
00:57 <ghableska> hah
00:58 <MaZuffeR> Vanhayes: in Finland
00:58 <Vanhayes> #weather Atlantis
00:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Lantana, Florida is 84.9°F (6:58 PM EDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 73.4°F. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa. 
00:58 <Vanhayes> ah
00:58 <ghableska> lol
00:58 <Vanhayes> #weather North pole
00:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "North pole".
00:58 <ghableska> #weather Santa's house
00:58 <ghableska> :P
00:58 <armabot> ghableska: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Santa's house".
00:58 <Your_mom_arma> #weather deleware
00:58 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "deleware".
00:58 <MaZuffeR> #weather svalbard
00:59 <armabot> MaZuffeR: The current temperature in Svalbard Lufthavn, Norway is 46.4°F (8:00 PM CEST on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Pressure: 29.25 in 990 hPa (Falling). 
00:59 <Vanhayes> #weather Dildo
00:59 <Vanhayes> hehe
00:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Dildo".
00:59 <Vanhayes> damn
00:59 <ghableska> O_O
00:59 <Vanhayes> I wanted weather for dildo newfoundland
00:59 <ghableska> oh, lol
00:59 <ghableska> like I said, creative names
00:59 <Your_mom_arma> newfoundalindland
01:00 <Vanhayes> heh i was there last year and I laughed the whole way thru
01:00 <ghableska> heh
01:00 <Vanhayes> #weather Hell
01:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Hellisøy, Norway is 53.0°F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 85%. Wind: SSE at 6 mph (10 km/h).
01:00 <Vanhayes> #weather Heaven
01:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "Heaven".
01:00 <ghableska> #weather Death valley
01:00 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in China Lake, California is 89.6°F (2:56 PM PDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa. 
01:01 <Vanhayes> #weather las vegas
01:01 <armabot> Vanhayes: The current temperature in Las Vegas, NV is 90.0°F. Conditions: Partly Sunny. Humidity: 21%. Wind: N at 4 mph (6 km/h).
01:01 <Vanhayes> I think im going to go on a vegas trip before I graduate
01:01 <Vanhayes> thatd be fun
01:02 <Vanhayes> #weather havana
01:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 84°F / 29°C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 5:55 PM CDT; Scattered Clouds. High:87 ° F. / 31 ° C.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:73 ° F. / 23 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:87 ° F. / 31 ° C.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:73 ° F. / 23 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:86 ° F. / 30 ° C.; Thunderstorm. (1 more message)
01:03 <ghableska> #weather El Azizia
01:03 <armabot> ghableska: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "El Azizia".
01:03 <Vanhayes> lol
01:03 <Vanhayes> where is that?
01:04 <Vanhayes> #weather dublin
01:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 59°F / 15°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017hPa | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 12:00 AM IST; Partly Cloudy. High:68 ° F. / 20 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:60 ° F. / 16 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:69 ° F. / 21 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:28 ° F. / -2 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:68 ° F. / 20 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:53 ° F. / 12 ° C.;
01:04 <Vanhayes> #weather rome
01:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 71.6°F / 22.0°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1021.6hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 1:00 AM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:77 ° F. / 25 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:64 ° F. / 18 ° C.; Chance of Rain. High:77 ° F. / 25 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:64 ° F. / 18 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:77 ° F. / 25 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:64 ° F. / 18 (1 more message)
01:04 <ghableska> libya
01:04 <GodTodd> libya
01:04 <Vanhayes> heh thanks
01:05 <Vanhayes> #lastseen van
01:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: van Nelle has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 2 hours 34 minutes ago.
01:05 <Vanhayes> hmm havent seen her in a long time
01:05 <Vanhayes> #lastseen van
01:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: van Nelle has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 2 hours 34 minutes ago.
01:05 <Vanhayes> #lastseen vanh
01:05 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 4 hours 10 minutes ago.
01:05 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
01:06 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 45 minutes ago.
01:06 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen Player 1
01:06 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Player 1 has last been seen on -=|LoD|=-  F O R T R E S S  HI-Q 7 minutes ago.
01:06 <Your_mom_arma> Hi q?
01:06 <ghableska> how far does it go back to?
01:06 <Vanhayes> a couple of days
01:06 <Vanhayes> maybe yesturday
01:07 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen mom
01:07 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Zop's_mom has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 20 minutes ago.
01:07 <Vanhayes> ha
01:07 <Vanhayes> #lastseen your
01:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Your MOM has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 4 hours 42 minutes ago.
01:07 <MaZuffeR> #lastseen madmax
01:07 <Vanhayes> ....
01:07 <armabot> MaZuffeR: MaDMaX has last been seen on Norm's Place 5 hours 52 minutes ago.
01:07 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen _mom
01:07 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Zop's_mom has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 21 minutes ago.
01:07 <Your_mom_arma> heh
01:07 <Vanhayes> #lastseen your_
01:07 <armabot> Vanhayes: Your MOM has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 4 hours 42 minutes ago.
01:07 <Vanhayes> bah
01:07 <ghableska> #lastseen Wuttle
01:07 <armabot> ghableska: Wuttle has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 26 hours 11 minutes ago.
01:07 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen Your_mom
01:08 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Your MOM has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 4 hours 42 minutes ago.
01:08 <Your_mom_arma> uff
01:08 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Icarus
01:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: Icarus has last been seen on 4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan} 47 hours 44 minutes ago.
01:08 <Vanhayes> 2 days it is
01:08 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Ra
01:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: SL(Radian) seems to be on Capture The Flag Sty right now.
01:08 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen 7
01:08 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: 1337 k? has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 29 minutes ago.
01:08 <Vanhayes> lol
01:08 <ghableska> #last seen Player 2
01:08 <armabot> ghableska: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit (1 more message)
01:08 <ghableska> oops
01:08 <Your_mom_arma> haha
01:08 <ghableska> #lastseen player 2
01:08 <armabot> ghableska: Player 2 has last been seen on .Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas| High-rubber 2 hours 47 minutes ago.
01:09 <Vanhayes> #lastseen the THE
01:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “the the” yet, sorry.
01:09 <ghableska> Tronners in pyjamas?
01:09 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
01:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: ~*Speeders*~ Classic Server (8 players) || Capture The Flag Sty (7 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (7 players) || Strawberry Fields (6 players) || |AST| Fortress (5 players) || -=|LoD|=- S U M O HI-Q (3 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (2 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (2 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (1 players) || CT's Test Server (0 players) || (1 more message)
01:09 <Vanhayes> #more
01:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: armagetron.nixda.net (Original) (0 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag (0 players) || http://spacezone.vze.com/ [HIGH SPEED!!] (0 players) || .Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas| High-rubber Teamplay (0 players) || [See]Korallotronriff - www.see-clan.de (0 players)
01:09 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen Player 4
01:09 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Player 4 has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 3 hours 36 minutes ago.
01:09 <Vanhayes> #lastseen player 3
01:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: Player 3 has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 33 hours 42 minutes ago.
01:09 <Vanhayes> #lastseen player 5
01:09 <armabot> Vanhayes: Player 5 has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 33 hours 13 minutes ago.
01:09 <Your_mom_arma> heh
01:09 <ghableska> #lastseen player 7
01:09 <armabot> ghableska: I haven't seen anyone matching “player 7” yet, sorry.
01:10 <Vanhayes> #lastseen player 6
01:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “player 6” yet, sorry.
01:10 <Vanhayes> heh new name
01:10 <ghableska> #lastseen player 0
01:10 <armabot> ghableska: I haven't seen anyone matching “player 0” yet, sorry.
01:10 <ghableska> new name?
01:10 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen loc
01:10 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: eltoroloco has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 20 minutes ago.
01:10 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen lack
01:10 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Black cloud seems to be on Capture The Flag Sty right now.
01:10 <ghableska> heh
01:10 <Vanhayes> #lastseen st
01:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: ~*LoD*~Mephisto seems to be on  |AST|  Fortress right now.
01:10 <Vanhayes> ack
01:10 <Vanhayes> #lastseen st|
01:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: |AST| Paul has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 5 minutes ago.
01:10 <ghableska> #lastseen Icarus
01:11 <armabot> ghableska: Icarus has last been seen on 4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan} 47 hours 47 minutes ago.
01:11 <Vanhayes> #lastseen st lack
01:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “st lack” yet, sorry.
01:11 <Vanhayes> #lastseen lacka
01:11 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen st.
01:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: st.Lacka has last been seen on -=|LoD|=-      S U M O      HI-Q 2 hours 42 minutes ago.
01:11 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: st.Lacka has last been seen on -=|LoD|=-      S U M O      HI-Q 2 hours 42 minutes ago.
01:11 <Vanhayes> heh
01:11 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen nemo
01:11 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: nemostultae has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 2 hours 11 minutes ago.
01:11 <ghableska> #lastseen 2020
01:11 <armabot> ghableska: 2020 has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 2 hours 48 minutes ago.
01:13 <ghableska> #lastseen Vanhayes
01:13 <armabot> ghableska: Vanhayes has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 4 hours 18 minutes ago.
01:13 <ghableska> #realchatlogs
01:13 <Vanhayes> #lastseen player 6
01:13 <armabot> ghableska: http://master3.armagetronad.net/armalogs/
01:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Player 6 seems to be on Capture The Flag Sty right now.
01:13 <Vanhayes> heh
01:14 <ghableska> you?
01:14 <Vanhayes> yup
01:15 <ghableska> #lastseen Vanhayes
01:15 <armabot> ghableska: Vanhayes seems to be on Capture The Flag Sty right now.
01:15 <ghableska> :D
01:15 <Vanhayes> ha
01:19 <DrJoeTron>  damn it
01:20 <DrJoeTron> i dont want 3 gigs of gba roms
01:23 <spidey> why not?
01:23 <Vanhayes> its alot?
01:23 <spidey> so
01:24 <spidey> they got xbox emulators yet?
01:24 <Vanhayes> they have one that plays one game I think
01:24 <spidey> ....
01:25 <spidey> http://www.romnation.net/
01:25 <spidey> lol @ commodore64
01:26 <DrJoeTron> fuck that spidey
01:26 <spidey> ?
01:27 <DrJoeTron> i got my own sources "D
01:27 <DrJoeTron> www.planetemu.net
01:27 <spidey> you remember those annoying gigapets that you always ended up killing?
01:27 <spidey> http://www.freedownloadscenter.com/Games/Virtual_Pets/Harold___A___Pet.html
01:27 <spidey> O.o
01:27 <DrJoeTron> sweet! i always wanted to take my whole computer with me to take care of hte cyber cat
01:28 <spidey> lmao
01:28 <DrJoeTron> brb
01:30 <spidey> err-or! er-ror - 404!
01:30 <spidey> It looks like the typing class your cat is taking is not 100% successful.
01:30 <spidey> Actually, we couldn't find the page you requested. Please check the URL. 
01:30 <spidey> o.o
01:30 <ghableska> hmm
01:30 <ghableska> http://www.aperturescience.com/
01:32 <spidey> joe next time you give me a link with one of those annoying ads you can't get rid of and it keeps making a camera clicking sound, over and over and over
01:32 <spidey> i'ma kill you ggkthnx? :D
01:35 <Vanhayes> why cant you get rid of it?
01:35 <spidey> it's embedded in the website?
01:36 <Vanhayes> what was it for?
01:36 <spidey> shoot this guy and get something free thingy
01:37 <Vanhayes> heh i love those ones
01:38 <Vanhayes> #lastseen player 9
01:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Player 9 seems to be on  |AST|  Fortress right now.
01:38 <Vanhayes> well so I am
01:38 <Vanhayes> #lastseen spidey 
01:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: spidey |mbc| has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 27 hours 56 minutes ago.
01:41 <spidey> ok
01:41 <spidey> that rom
01:41 <spidey> sucked
01:41 <spidey> #lastseen ~åߥ§§~mßc~
01:41 <armabot> spidey: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like'
01:41 <spidey> ??
01:41 <MaZuffeR> #lastseen asyss
01:41 <armabot> MaZuffeR: I haven't seen anyone matching “asyss” yet, sorry.
01:42 <spidey> #lastseen ~a*
01:42 <armabot> spidey: *A~T~A* has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 38 hours 26 minutes ago.
01:42 <spidey> #lastseen ~as*
01:42 <armabot> spidey: I haven't seen anyone matching “~as*” yet, sorry.
01:42 <spidey> #lastseen ~m
01:42 <armabot> spidey: ~*LoD*~Mephisto has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 15 minutes ago.
01:42 <spidey> -_-
01:42 <spidey> #lastseen c~
01:42 <armabot> spidey: nc~Julian has last been seen on Strawberry Fields 19 minutes ago.
01:43  * spidey gives up
01:43 <spidey> ;x
01:43 <MaZuffeR> #lastseen ~a
01:43 <armabot> MaZuffeR: *M~A~D*M~A~X* has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 39 minutes ago.
01:43 <MaZuffeR> #lastseen ~as
01:43 <armabot> MaZuffeR: I haven't seen anyone matching “~as” yet, sorry.
01:43 <MaZuffeR> #lastseen ~aß
01:43 <armabot> MaZuffeR: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like'
01:43 <MaZuffeR> #lastseen ~ås
01:44 <armabot> MaZuffeR: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like'
01:44 <ghableska> O_o
01:44 <spidey> heh
01:45 <MaZuffeR> #lastseen s~m
01:45 <armabot> MaZuffeR: I haven't seen anyone matching “s~m” yet, sorry.
01:45 <MaZuffeR> #lastseen §~m
01:45 <armabot> MaZuffeR: Illegal mix of collations (latin1_general_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation 'like'
01:47 <spidey> is a nentendo nes 2-d ?
01:49 <DrJoeTron>  nes is 8bit
01:49 <GodTodd> alright, who touched my butt?
01:49 <DrJoeTron> me
01:49 <GodTodd> fag
01:49 <GodTodd> heh
01:49 <DrJoeTron> cigarrette?
01:49 <spidey> lmao
01:49 <GodTodd> just what'd you touch it *with*
01:49 <GodTodd> ?
01:49 <DrJoeTron> i brushed up with my hip
01:50 <GodTodd> hip, or lip?
01:50 <GodTodd> *zing*
01:50 <DrJoeTron> i was carrying stuff and you wouldnt move
01:50 <DrJoeTron> so i had to try and squeeze by
01:50 <spidey> he's a liar
01:50 <GodTodd> don't lie...you kissed my ass and liked it
01:50 <spidey> he ment to
01:50 <GodTodd> heh
01:50 <spidey> he touched your ass with intent!
01:50 <DrJoeTron> criminal intent
01:50 <spidey> rape
01:50 <GodTodd> criminal? i'm of age ;)
01:50 <GodTodd> heh
01:51 <spidey> omg
01:51 <spidey> http://www.romnation.net/rommirror/roms.php?section=Xbox
01:51 <spidey> joe
01:51 <spidey> do those vote things then gimme the link :D
01:51 <DrJoeTron> fuck that
01:51 <spidey> i've went over them 5 times and it's not letting me in :(
01:51 <DrJoeTron> just torrent them
01:51 <DrJoeTron> you should havelearned by now spidey
01:51 <DrJoeTron> all emulation sites are wild goose chases
01:52 <spidey> torrents suck
01:52 <DrJoeTron> all they do is link to each other
01:52 <DrJoeTron> no actual roms
01:52 <spidey> actually
01:52 <spidey> they have roms
01:52 <DrJoeTron> i just go to planet emu
01:52 <spidey> i can't read french
01:52 <spidey> :p
01:52 <DrJoeTron> you dont need to
01:52 <spidey> i do
01:52 <DrJoeTron> just remember telecharger means download
01:53 <spidey> ?
01:53 <DrJoeTron> i cant read french either
01:53 <spidey> http://www.romnation.net/srv/roms.html   << they have roms
01:53 <spidey> :p
01:54 <spidey> wtf's a neogeo
01:54 <spidey> O.o
01:54 <spidey> so nes is 2-d pixeled shit?
01:54 <spidey> what about snes
01:55 <DrJoeTron> you dont know what neoeo is?
01:55 <DrJoeTron> geo*
01:55 <spidey> no
01:55 <spidey> lol
01:55 <DrJoeTron> its an arcade console
01:55 <spidey> hmm
01:55 <DrJoeTron> it was out when 32x and psx were huge
01:55 <DrJoeTron> along with cd-i, 3do and jaguar
01:55 <spidey> i thought commadore64 was a old ass computer
01:55 <DrJoeTron> it is
01:56 <spidey> ....
01:56 <DrJoeTron> it had sweet games for it
01:58 <spidey> where's Luke-Jr  -_-
01:58 <Vanhayes> #lastseen a
01:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: Baphomet seems to be on -=|LoD|=-      S U M O      HI-Q right now.
01:59 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ab
01:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 16 minutes ago.
01:59 <spidey> lol
01:59 <Vanhayes> #lastseen aby
01:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: Gaby has last been seen on sylvs tavern in [armagetronad.de] 7 hours 51 minutes ago.
01:59 <Vanhayes> #lastseen abys
01:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “abys” yet, sorry.
01:59 <Vanhayes> #lastseen mbc
01:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: Ca$h |MBC| has last been seen on 135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix-- 1 hours 9 minutes ago.
01:59 <Vanhayes> #lastseen mbc
01:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: Ca$h |MBC| has last been seen on 135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix-- 1 hours 9 minutes ago.
01:59 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ran
01:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: oranjcrush seems to be on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 right now.
01:59 <Vanhayes> #lastseen rand
01:59 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “rand” yet, sorry.
02:00 <Vanhayes> #lastseen 21
02:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: Player 21 has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 3 minutes ago.
02:00 <Vanhayes> heh
02:00 <Vanhayes> #lastseen 20
02:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: Player 20 has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 4 minutes ago.
02:00 <Vanhayes> #lastseen 11
02:00 <armabot> Vanhayes: Player 11 has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 16 minutes ago.
02:01 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-64-108-205-96.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
02:01 <MaZuffeR> #night
02:01 <armabot> Good night MaZuffeR!
02:01 -!- MaZuffeR [n=MaZuffeR@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["-"]
02:17 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-64-108-205-96.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #Armagetron
02:17 <DrJoeTron> cant get these stupid drivers to work
02:19 <DrJoeTron> i just wanan reformat my gba cartridge
02:20 <spidey> ?
02:21 <spidey> Valve spent over $40Mil to developing HL2
02:21 <spidey> $40mill for a game!?
02:21 <ghableska> O_O
02:22 <DrJoeTron> looks like they did too
02:23 <DrJoeTron> pretty god damned awesome game
02:25 <ghableska> #lastseen .
02:25 <armabot> ghableska: (-)..T,D..(!) has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 2 minutes ago.
02:25 <ghableska> heh
02:31 <spidey> 	direct link to download. no waiting or advisings. in the name of jesus.
02:31 <spidey> lmao
02:31 <ghableska> ...
02:32 <spidey> some description on a website
02:32 <spidey> lol
02:32 <ghableska> wow
02:32 <ghableska> that's just...
02:32 <spidey> extremely slow
02:32 <ghableska> going backwards
02:33 <spidey> ?
02:33 <ghableska> :P
02:34 <ghableska> #weather 50265
02:34 <ghableska> #cnn 50265
02:34 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 64.4°F (6:54 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa. 
02:34 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, IA is 63.0°F. Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 93%. Wind: E at 11 mph (18 km/h).
02:36  * ghableska is bored
02:37 <GodTodd> iowa sucks
02:37 <ghableska> :P
02:37 <ghableska> endless fields of corn x_x
02:38 <GodTodd> it's nebraska east
02:38 <GodTodd> with gambling
02:38 <ghableska> nebraska sucks
02:38 <GodTodd> yeah...that's why i moved to texas :P
02:38 <ghableska> :p
02:38 <ghableska> nebraska is boring, period
02:38 <ghableska> it's flat
02:39 <GodTodd> compared to the iowa alps?
02:39 <GodTodd> :P
02:39 <ghableska> :P
02:39 <DrJoeTron> dont forget mount everest in missouri :p
02:39 <ghableska> awesome skiing here
02:40 <GodTodd> meh....my inlaws ski in germany
02:40 <ghableska> jealous, aren't you? :P
02:40 <GodTodd> if i could ski, probably
02:40 <GodTodd> heh
02:40 <ghableska> 'caus we get rain 
02:40 <DrJoeTron> we have a ski place that was converted out of a land fill
02:40 <GodTodd> nah....cuz you get snow too
02:41 <ghableska> snow is rain...only colder
02:41 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-71-248-196-158.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net] has left #armagetron []
02:41 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
02:41 <DrJoeTron> you sure feel like you're skiing off of one
02:41 <DrJoeTron> spidey pong
02:41 <GodTodd> ummm...i was in omaha the other year for the 36 or so inches in 3 weeks
02:41 <GodTodd> that blew
02:41 <DrJoeTron> i love snow
02:42 <ghableska> as long as it isn't yellow >.<
02:42 <spidey> http://www.planetemu.net/  find me the GBA section
02:42 <spidey> -_-
02:42 <DrJoeTron> there isnt one
02:42 <spidey> ...
02:42 <DrJoeTron> just gbc and gba
02:42 <DrJoeTron> gb**
02:42 <DrJoeTron> no gba
02:42 <DrJoeTron> because you can still buy the games
02:42 <spidey> gbc then :p
02:43 <ghableska> #google Vanhayes
02:43 <armabot> ghableska: Search took 0.47 seconds: User: Vanhayes - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/User:Vanhayes>; Ladle Winners - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Ladle_Winners>; ~"XzL.TheAcceL :: Viewing profile: <http://www.xzlclan.com/the/website/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=24&sid=c7a1d96dc5339b7f2fd0c5ca299d66c1>; Resource Preview: (3 more messages)
02:43 <DrJoeTron> http://www.planetemu.net/index.php?section=roms&dat=191
02:43 <ghableska> hm
02:44 <GodTodd> #google "asspounding"
02:44 <armabot> GodTodd: Search took 0.37 seconds: Urban Dictionary: asspounding trance: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=asspounding+trance>; Flickr: Photos from tehBLEDSTA: <http://flickr.com/photos/25638510@N00/>; Html Gear - Guest Gear View Guestbook: <http://www.htmlgear.tripod.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=fliphkd00_1>; www.myspace.com/54558870: (2 more messages)
02:48 <ghableska> #googlefight nebraska iowa
02:48 <ghableska> #fight nebraska iowa
02:48 <armabot> ghableska: Error: The command "fight" is available in the Google and Sourceforge plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "fight".
02:48 <ghableska> #googlefight
02:49 <ghableska> -_-
02:50 <GodTodd> #google fight nebraska iowa
02:50 <armabot> GodTodd: iowa: 371000000, nebraska: 200000000
02:50 <ghableska>  grr
02:50 <GodTodd> #google fight texas iowa
02:50 <armabot> GodTodd: texas: 651000000, iowa: 371000000
02:50 <spidey> #g fight
02:50 <GodTodd> ;)
02:50 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:50 <ghableska> #google fight ghableska GodTodd
02:50 <spidey> #google fight spidey GodTodd 
02:50 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska: 436, GodTodd: 312
02:50 <armabot> spidey: spidey: 3770000, GodTodd: 312
02:50 <spidey> haha
02:50 <ghableska> :P
02:50 <ghableska> ahahaha
02:51 <spidey> #google fight spidey ghableska 
02:51 <armabot> spidey: spidey: 3770000, ghableska: 2150
02:51 <spidey> pwned
02:51 <ghableska> huh
02:51 <ghableska> #google fight ghableska Vanhayes
02:51 <armabot> ghableska: Vanhayes: 1120, ghableska: 436
02:51 <spidey> lmao
02:51 <ghableska> ...
02:51 <ghableska> #google fight Vanhayes ghableska
02:51 <armabot> ghableska: Vanhayes: 1120, ghableska: 436
02:51 <spidey> lol
02:52 <ghableska> #google fight spidey wrtlprnft
02:52 <armabot> ghableska: spidey: 3140000, wrtlprnft: 23500
02:52 <ghableska> heh
02:52 <spidey> #google fight spidey Vanhayes 
02:52 <armabot> spidey: spidey: 3140000, Vanhayes: 1160
02:53 <spidey> ;x
02:53 <ghableska> #google fight spidey ghableska
02:53 <armabot> ghableska: spidey: 3770000, ghableska: 436
02:53 <ghableska> why did I get 2150 before?
02:53 <spidey> #google fight spidey Lucifer_arma  ghableska
02:53 <armabot> spidey: spidey: 3770000, ghableska: 2150, Lucifer_arma: 118
02:53 <ghableska> haha
02:53 <DrJoeTron> #google fight boobs guns monstertrucks
02:54 <armabot> DrJoeTron: guns: 184000000, boobs: 35800000, monstertrucks: 191000
02:54 <spidey> #google fight "everyone else" Luke-Jr 
02:54 <GodTodd> #google fight sex drugs "rock and roll"
02:54 <armabot> spidey: everyone else: 301000000, Luke-Jr: 86500
02:54 <spidey> :D
02:54 <armabot> GodTodd: sex: 712000000, drugs: 445000000, rock and roll: 99800000
02:54 <ghableska> spidey: lmao
02:55 <GodTodd> #google fight Luke-Jr morality
02:55 <armabot> GodTodd: morality: 27500000, Luke-Jr: 78100
02:55 <ghableska> #google fight heaven hell
02:55 <GodTodd> #google fight Luke-Jr sanity
02:55 <armabot> ghableska: hell: 370000000, heaven: 189000000
02:55 <armabot> GodTodd: sanity: 21900000, Luke-Jr: 86500
02:56 <spidey> sheesh
02:57 <spidey> DrJoeTron, download gba roms via p2p
02:57 <spidey> ;x
02:57 <spidey> just don't download a .exe
02:58 <spidey> i'll warn you now
02:58 <spidey> :p
02:58 <spidey> i did that like 7 months ago :/
02:58 <DrJoeTron> i never use p2p
02:58 <ghableska> :P
02:59 <spidey> p2p's great for movies and music
02:59 <spidey> some software
02:59 <spidey> well
02:59 <spidey> ares is
02:59 <spidey> the others suck
02:59 <DrJoeTron> i use torrents
02:59 <DrJoeTron> oh man
02:59 <DrJoeTron> you know wahats good
02:59 <DrJoeTron> apple pie :D
02:59 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
03:00 <spidey> you had me download a chinese rom
03:03 <DrJoeTron> i had you download nothing
03:03 <spidey> lies :p
03:04 <spidey> http://www.aroms.com/emu/roms.html
03:04 <DrJoeTron> not going
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03:10 <spidey> #g 220km/h in mph
03:10 <armabot> spidey: 220 km/h = 136.701662 mph
03:13 <ghableska> #lastseen Vanhayes
03:13 <armabot> ghableska: Vanhayes has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 1 hours 55 minutes ago.
03:28 <GodTodd> #g sin90
03:28 <armabot> GodTodd: sin(90) = 0.893996664
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> #weather my ass
03:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "my ass".
03:29 <luke-jr_wifi> ...
03:29 <ghableska> :-/
03:29 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
03:29 <luke-jr_wifi> #weather fremont, ne
03:29 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 88.5°F (8:29 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 64.4°F. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa. 
03:29 <armabot> luke-jr_wifi: The current temperature in Fremont, Nebraska is 62.6°F (8:10 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa. 
03:30 <luke-jr_wifi> I wasn't aware I was underwater...
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> dammit, don't tell me the pressure without telling me if it's rising or falling
03:30 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_wifi: you must have parted it with your holiness
03:30 <ghableska> #cnn 50265
03:30 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, IA is 64.0°F. Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 89%. Wind: E at 10 mph (16 km/h).
03:30 <ghableska> #weather 50265
03:30 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 64.4°F (7:54 PM CDT on September 10, 2006). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa. 
03:31 <luke-jr_wifi> Lucifer_arma: I lack the sacrifice
03:31 <ghableska> #cnn
03:31 <armabot> ghableska: (cnn <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
03:31 <Lucifer_arma> sacrifice half of your morality, you won't notice it's gone
03:31 <luke-jr_wifi> ...
03:31 <luke-jr_wifi> if you don't notice it's gone, how is it a sacrifice?
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, good point
03:32 <Lucifer_arma> must be someone near you, then
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> damn, it sure is cold where you are, though
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> brrrr
03:33 <Lucifer_arma> any idea where I can find out what exit status 15 actually means?
03:34 <spidey> is that the ~real Luke-Jr ?
03:35 <luke-jr_wifi> no
03:36 <spidey> shhh
03:36 <luke-jr_wifi> I'm the FakeLukeJr
03:37  * spidey goes to find the phone
03:37 <spidey> :D
03:37 <luke-jr_wifi> won't work
03:37 <spidey> why not
03:38 <luke-jr_wifi> no clients connected
03:38 <spidey> ....
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03:41 <GodTodd> fremont ne sucks
03:43 <GodTodd> actually...a whole lot of ne sucks
03:43 <GodTodd> heh
03:45 <luke-jr_wifi> ...
03:45 <luke-jr_wifi> indeed
03:45 <luke-jr_wifi> Fremont has my in-laws
03:45 <luke-jr_wifi> it super sucks
03:52 <ghableska> GodTodd: all of nebraska sucks
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> nebraska is the suckiest suckball in the whole us
03:53 <ghableska> :D
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> jesus christ, I'm turning into marketjunkie
03:53 <ghableska> yay, it started to rain again
03:53 <ghableska> #cnn 50265
03:53 <Lucifer_arma> rain?  what's that?
03:53 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, IA is 64.0°F. Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 89%. Wind: E at 10 mph (16 km/h).
03:53 <ghableska> ...
03:59 <spidey> mm
03:59 <spidey> this n64 emulator owns
03:59  * spidey is playing army men
03:59 <spidey> :D
04:02 <luke-jr_wifi> marketjunkie is still around?
04:02 <luke-jr_wifi> we should make an easter egg that cusses anyone with that name out or something
04:02 <luke-jr_wifi> so when he upgrades, he gets cussed out by the game
04:03 <luke-jr_wifi> I want to make a cheat code that makes it look to the cheater like they're cheating when they're really not
04:03  * GodTodd needs to take a shit.
04:04 <ghableska> O_o
04:04 <spidey> i killed my sargent
04:06 <luke-jr_wifi> ..
04:06 <luke-jr_wifi> anyone up for freeciv?
04:06 <spidey> maybe
04:08 <Lucifer_arma> yay, weakref fixed my problem :)
04:09 <Lucifer_arma> I want to make shift-escape the key sequence for online help
04:09 <luke-jr_wifi> no
04:10 <luke-jr_wifi> I like Shift-Esc how it is
04:10 <luke-jr_wifi> handy for exiting without going through the menu bs
04:12 <ghableska> #armaservers
04:12 <armabot> ghableska: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> just move it.  I want to make the "press shift-escape for help" joke into something resembling reality
04:12 <ghableska> #servers
04:12 <luke-jr_wifi> Lucifer_arma: :(
04:12 <Lucifer_arma> it would be kind of a comedic justice for those asses like me that tell people to do that for cheats/help/whatever
04:12 <luke-jr_wifi> only if you map Alt-F4 =p
04:14 <luke-jr_wifi> people at least recognize that one
04:16 <Lucifer_arma> you'll be surprised how many people don't recognize alt-tab
04:16 <luke-jr_wifi> if they don't, it's their problem
04:17 <luke-jr_wifi> standard and common keystrokes should be expected knowledge =p
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh, we've had a few people go post on the forums with "I did what these guys in the server said and now I can't get my game back, but I hear it through the speakers, what do I do?!?"
04:17 <arctanx> F10 for ranks is the best one in cs ;)
04:17 <Lucifer_arma> so you get them twice, because you post and say "press alt-tab"
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04:25 <DrJoeTron> man
04:25 <ghableska> ?
04:25 <DrJoeTron> ctf sure drains the life force out of you
04:25 <ghableska> heh
04:25 <DrJoeTron> and patience
04:25 <spidey> luke-jr_wifi, you gonna play freeciv?
04:26 <Your_mom_arma> negative reinforcement seems to work well though
04:26 <Your_mom_arma> look if you say respawn im just going to give up
04:26 <ghableska> heh
04:26 <DrJoeTron> yeah really
04:27 <DrJoeTron> im sad that tis is one of those
04:27 <Your_mom_arma> no one said respawn after that
04:27 <ghableska> :-/
04:27 <DrJoeTron> and that he gave away the password
04:27 <DrJoeTron> way to go tis
04:27 <DrJoeTron> you can only get away with that on my server :p
04:27 <Your_mom_arma> did anyone log on?
04:27 <DrJoeTron> i changed it right away
04:28 <Your_mom_arma> zah
04:28 <Your_mom_arma> ah even
04:28 <DrJoeTron> and alt tabbed to email'd pig to change it
04:29 <Your_mom_arma> especially since durka was there
04:29 <DrJoeTron> exactly
04:30 <DrJoeTron> he sure shut up
04:30 <Your_mom_arma> zi think trace thought i was your real mom
04:30 <DrJoeTron> haha
04:31 <DrJoeTron> is z your type button?
04:31 <Your_mom_arma> yeah heh
04:31 <DrJoeTron> vb "D
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04:44 <groundpig> hi
04:45 <ghableska> hi groundpig
04:45 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma, DrJoeTron, you guys have any ideas for putting in max hold times for the flag?
04:45 <groundpig> hi ghableska, aren't you in my serveR?
04:46 <DrJoeTron> hmm
04:47 <DrJoeTron> i dont think there should be one to be honest
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04:48 <groundpig> not sure i'll put it in for my server, but it was requested for the CT one
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04:48 <DrJoeTron> ah
04:48 <DrJoeTron> hmm
04:49 <groundpig> but sending the flag back to home after a minute seems like it would be bad for game play
04:49 <DrJoeTron> 90 seconds?
04:49 <groundpig> all you would have to do is make sure you pick up the enemy flag a couple seconds after they pick up yours, then just head back to your base and wait
04:50 <DrJoeTron> maybe they will realize it the hardware
04:50 <DrJoeTron> way*
04:50 <DrJoeTron> but by the sounds of it
04:50 <DrJoeTron> since they are doing one
04:50 <DrJoeTron> a ctf server
04:50 <DrJoeTron> sounds like i wont be
04:51 <groundpig> not sure what the means, but ok :)
04:51 <DrJoeTron> means its been done already :p
04:53 <DrJoeTron> did you make tis a mod?
04:53 <groundpig> yes, got your email
04:54 <groundpig> thanks
04:54 <luke-jr_wifi> groundpig: think you can mail new patches to me? =p
04:54 <Your_mom_arma> heh
04:54 <Your_mom_arma> the patch is on the forums
04:54 <luke-jr_wifi> =p
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> groundpig: did you have a baby?
04:55 <groundpig> i'm just working on a new one that has a couple things changed, wait about 1/2 hour
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> you'll have a baby in 1/2 hour?
04:55 <groundpig> Lucifer_arma: it was a false alarm - any day now though
04:55 <Your_mom_arma> as for ideas about the flag im not sure
04:55 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh
04:55 <groundpig> hope not a 1/2 hour for that
04:55 <groundpig> i think its a 35 minute drive to hospital
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> my last son was born about an hour after we got to the hospital
04:56 <groundpig> wow
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> the nurses said "don't come, you're not in labor yet".  My wife said "Oh yes I am, take me there now"
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> so I did
04:56 <groundpig> good plan
04:56 <Your_mom_arma> haha
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> who am I to argue with a woman who'd already had two kids?  ;)
04:56 <spidey> anyone wanna play freeciv? there's no one in pregame :(
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, working on my alarm clock
04:57 <spidey> :/
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking about renaming it to Dave's Stupid Alarm Cock
04:57 <spidey> lol
04:57 <groundpig> i don't want to know how that wakes you up
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:57 <GodTodd> it squirts on you
04:57 <groundpig> see, i didn't want to know
04:57 <spidey> that sounded wrong :D
04:57 <Lucifer_arma> the new and improved alarm clock is already much better than the old one
04:58 <DrJoeTron> it squirts you with ky
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> it supports tags!  and some other stuff
04:58 <groundpig> ew tags
04:58 <groundpig> oh clock
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> you know, id tags like in mp3 files
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> they say things like artist, genre, etc
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> supports ogg vorbis!  The old alarm clock only knew mp3...
04:59 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
04:59 <DrJoeTron> eah?
04:59 <spidey> tm ?
04:59 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, doesn't have snooze yet, I guess I better get back to work.  I'm hoping to try it out tomorrow already, if I can
05:00 <groundpig> is this a clock on your computer?  or a real space one
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05:00 <Lucifer_arma> I want it to work with Kontact so I can put my schedule into Kontact and have the alarm clock automatically compute an alarm
05:00 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's on my computer.  :)
05:00 <spidey> i have a water bottle with about ------- that much water in the bottum sitting on my router
05:00 <spidey> you can see how hot the router gets
05:00 <spidey> O.o
05:01 <groundpig> does that count as water cooling?
05:01 <spidey> haha
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> hey, that solves an interesting problem
05:01 <Lucifer_arma> say you want to keep a fishtank with tropical fish in it....
05:01 <spidey> if i set it ontop of the VoIP router it'd all evapurate
05:01 <DrJoeTron> lobster tank :D
05:01 <spidey> that bastard gets HOT
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> can lobsters live with bettas?
05:02 <spidey> can bettas live with lobsters?
05:02 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, bettas are only a problem when you put more than one male in the same tank
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> one male and a bunch of females: no problem
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> a bunch of females: no problem
05:03 <groundpig> luke-jr_wifi: can you wait a bit for an updated patch?
05:03 <spidey> i wanna see a crab and a lobster fight
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> 2 males and it's Lucifer and Luke-Jr all over again
05:03 <spidey> just to spite joe i'll say the crab will whoop the lovsters ass
05:03 <spidey> s/lovsters/lobsters
05:04 <DrJoeTron> haha
05:04 <spidey> purana's are cool
05:04 <spidey> deja_vu, 
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, if you used the water from a fishtank to water-cool a computer, would the fishtank be a) warm enough for tropical fish, b) too warm for any fish, or c) not warm enough for a goldfish?
05:04 <spidey> not warm enough :D
05:04 <spidey> the pc would fry :p
05:05 <spidey> unlessthe water's deionized
05:05  * Lucifer_arma directs spidey to any random water-cooling kit page
05:05 <spidey> deionized water only :p
05:05 <luke-jr_wifi> DrJoeTron: 
05:05 <groundpig> you would have to write a program that would use more or less cpu cycles based on the water temp
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> apparently you're still missing it
05:05 <DrJoeTron> yes
05:06 <luke-jr_wifi> do me a favour?
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> see, what you do is you put the radiator unit inside the tank.  You don't actually pump the fishwater into the computer
05:06 <DrJoeTron> what is it
05:06 <luke-jr_wifi> go offline and online GTalk
05:06 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
05:06 <Your_mom_arma> dont do it its a trick
05:06  * luke-jr_wifi stabs KDE
05:06 <DrJoeTron> ok 
05:06 <spidey> DrJoeTron, wanna play trackmania?
05:07 <DrJoeTron> talkin to gomes right now on ts
05:07 <DrJoeTron> probably later
05:07 <spidey> so? :p
05:07 <spidey> you people got boring over the last 2 weeks :(
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> school started
05:07 <spidey> though luke-jr_wifi was never unboring ;x
05:07 <DrJoeTron> what Lucifer_arma said
05:07 <spidey> no excuse
05:07 <spidey> !
05:08 <spidey> school started for me to :p
05:08 <spidey> actually school never let out for me
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> that's like me saying I had to go to work
05:08 <spidey> i just stopped going O.o
05:08 <DrJoeTron> we didnt
05:08 <DrJoeTron> and get this spidey
05:08 <DrJoeTron> we actually pay to go to it now
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> here it comes
05:08 <spidey> mmm?
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> oh
05:08 <spidey> and i say
05:08 <spidey> you're crazy :D
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> I thought he was going to say something like "and besides that, we actually have lives outside of this channel"
05:09 <spidey> joe doesn't
05:09 <spidey> so he can't
05:09 <spidey> :p
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> yeah he does, it's on the lobster cage
05:09 <spidey> ....
05:09 <spidey> you know what
05:09 <DrJoeTron> wait whats up?
05:09 <Your_mom_arma> bloodtricuted
05:09 <spidey> i'm selling joe to wal-mart
05:09 <DrJoeTron> ahaha
05:09 <spidey> they buy lobsters
05:10 <spidey> -_-
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> to sell their nintendo ds?
05:10 <luke-jr_wifi> DrJoeTron: again? :)
05:10  * luke-jr_wifi growls at KDE
05:10 <DrJoeTron> done
05:10  * spidey laughs at luke-jr_wifi 
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, I went partying out with JOe one night and I was talking to this chick, and she said "come back later without the crabs"
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> I said "Hey, he's a lobster!"
05:10 <spidey> lol
05:10 <luke-jr_wifi> how about now
05:11 <DrJoeTron> haha
05:11 <spidey> i'm going to play warrock cause joe sucks
05:11 <luke-jr_wifi> finally
05:11 <luke-jr_wifi> ok, 'night
05:11 <spidey> argh
05:11 <luke-jr_wifi> thx DrJoeTron
05:11 <spidey> i got spyware
05:11 <spidey> :/
05:12 <luke-jr_wifi> spidey: why?
05:12 <spidey> luke-jr_wifi, why not?
05:12 <luke-jr_wifi> ...
05:12 <DrJoeTron> yup
05:12 <Your_mom_arma> because he wanted it
05:12 <Your_mom_arma> and i said okay
05:12 <luke-jr_wifi> this is so messed up
05:12 <spidey> ...
05:12 <luke-jr_wifi> my wife went to visit her parents for a few days
05:12 <luke-jr_wifi> so while she's there, they refuse to let her use their phones
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> he must've installed opera
05:13 <spidey> the one that sounds hot?
05:13 <luke-jr_wifi> and now they won't give us our daughter
05:13 <spidey> o.o
05:13 <spidey> call the police :p
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> they kidnapped your daughter?
05:13 <Your_mom_arma> luke how old are you again?
05:13 <luke-jr_wifi> wife doesn't want to
05:13 <luke-jr_wifi> Your_mom_arma: 21
05:13 <luke-jr_wifi> Lucifer_arma: more or less
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> and you're not over there kicking ass and taking down names?
05:14 <luke-jr_wifi> then they'd call police
05:14 <spidey> lmao
05:14 <spidey> and say what?
05:14 <Your_mom_arma> lukes probobly a push over in reallife
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> "we kidnapped his daughter and now he's kicking our asses"
05:14 <spidey> we kidnapped there daughter now they're kicking our ass?
05:14 <spidey> :p
05:14 <luke-jr_wifi> I wouldn't be able to prove they were kidnapping
05:14 <spidey> hey 
05:14 <luke-jr_wifi> they could deny it
05:14 <spidey> i said it first
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> you started first, but I type faster
05:15 <spidey> lies
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> truth
05:15 <spidey> never
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> as sure as the earth revolves around the sun
05:15  * luke-jr_wifi bets Lucifer_arma wouldn't try such even
05:15 <spidey> no, the sun revolves around the earth
05:15 <luke-jr_wifi> does not
05:15 <luke-jr_wifi> wait
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> haha
05:15 <spidey> lmao
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> gj spidey
05:16 <luke-jr_wifi> ok, does so
05:16 <luke-jr_wifi> I just didn't expect that coming from spidey
05:16  * Lucifer_arma notes that none of his kids' grandparents are stupid enough to test me on that one
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> hell, one grandmother is afraid of me because I worship the devil
05:16 <luke-jr_wifi> can't say I blame her
05:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, she's a psycho christian just like you
05:17 <spidey> lol
05:17 <luke-jr_wifi> doubt that
05:17 <spidey> well here's what you do
05:17 <luke-jr_wifi> not many christians today
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah, if you can believe it she has an even more over-inflated concept of jesus's love than you do
05:17 <spidey> go over there, and kidnap her back :p
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> call the cops anyway, tell your wife if she's going to stand by and let her daughter be kidnapped, she needs a new husband
05:18 <luke-jr_wifi> spidey: now, if that were doable without them noticing, it'd work nicely
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> what are they gonna do?  call the cops on you for taking your daughter back?
05:18 <spidey> luke-jr_wifi,  don't they let the kid outside to play?
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> if you're the legal guardian, they can't do shit about it
05:18 <luke-jr_wifi> for me trespassing
05:18 <spidey> ....
05:18 <spidey> pussy
05:18 <luke-jr_wifi> spidey: ... she's not 1 yr yet
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> the only way they could "prove" you were trespassing is if they admit they kidnapped her in the first place
05:18 <luke-jr_wifi> spidey: for not letting them turn the law against me?
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> man, you're just making excuses because you don't ahve the balls to stand up for your kids
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> pray for her, that'll get her back
05:19 <spidey> luke-jr_wifi, if they're willing to goto jail to ...
05:19 <luke-jr_wifi> Lucifer_arma: they can't be forced to testify against themselves...
05:19 <GodTodd> heh...i actually had a situation just like that some time back...i took my son back
05:19 <spidey> see
05:19 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you're just making excuses
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> law's on your side
05:20 <luke-jr_wifi> not if I trespass or stuff
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> you go over there with cops and they can deny it all they want, the cops will still make them give the kid back and file a report
05:20 <GodTodd> hell...i took him back from the grandmother AND the mother
05:20 <spidey> even if you can't porove it, call the cops, have them meet you out there, then what are the grandparents gonna do? tell the cops you can't have her back?
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> that report is the first piece of a paper trail that you can use to shield yourself from them if it becomes necessary
05:20 <Your_mom_arma> go over your wifes head
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> no they won't, with the cops right there they'll give her back to you
05:20 <luke-jr_wifi> Lucifer_arma: it also puts me in gov't dbs?
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> while your daughter's dealing with what?
05:21 <Your_mom_arma> call the cops on your cellphone at thier house and have them escort you
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> you're jus tmaking excuses
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> wimp
05:21 <luke-jr_wifi> nah, I have plans
05:21 <luke-jr_wifi> you see, most people need to work tomorrow
05:21 <Lucifer_arma> I guess now we know how luke will deal with us when the shit hits the fan
05:21 <Your_mom_arma> it involves a tunnel
05:22 <luke-jr_wifi> and being a non-christian family, the mother-in-law works too
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> he'll run away "aaaaa, I don't want to be in a government database!"
05:22 <spidey> lol
05:22 <luke-jr_wifi> Lucifer_arma: not if I can do it without being dbified
05:22 <spidey> ugh
05:22 <Your_mom_arma> what he needs is a giant slingshot
05:22 <luke-jr_wifi> I'm not TOTALLY void of patience
05:22 <Lucifer_arma> we should clal homeland security on luke
05:23 <luke-jr_wifi> Lucifer_arma: ...
05:23 <spidey> lol
05:23 <spidey> i'll do it :D
05:23  * luke-jr_wifi sends spidey his virus collection
05:23 <GodTodd> luke: you don't have an SSN?
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, now you even have him threatening to do you harm
05:23 <luke-jr_wifi> GodTodd: not really
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> they'll send his ass straight to guantanamo
05:23 <GodTodd> ummm either you do or you don't
05:23 <luke-jr_wifi> Lucifer_arma: viruses won't harm spidey
05:23 <luke-jr_wifi> just his computer
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> now if he can just say something about jews
05:24 <spidey> personal property
05:24 <spidey> :p
05:24 <luke-jr_wifi> GodTodd: not with my name ;)
05:24 <GodTodd> did you register for selective service?
05:24 <GodTodd> get a driver's license?
05:24 <luke-jr_wifi> I don't think so
05:24 <luke-jr_wifi> not with my name
05:24 <GodTodd> file taxes?
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> isn't registering for selective service compulsory?
05:24 <GodTodd> yep
05:24 <luke-jr_wifi> GodTodd: not yet
05:24 <GodTodd> never?
05:24 <luke-jr_wifi> nope
05:25 <GodTodd> you on your kid's birth certificate?
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> I hadn't either when I ws 21
05:25 <luke-jr_wifi> not with my real name anyhow
05:25 <luke-jr_wifi> yeah
05:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, if he isn't, then he has to let his inlaws walk all over him, or take his daughter and run like hell
05:25 <spidey> lol
05:25 <luke-jr_wifi> lol
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> he's also got DNS entries
05:26 <Your_mom_arma> why would you put a fake name on a birthcertificate
05:26 <luke-jr_wifi> well, need to get the stuff my wife brought w/ her too preferably
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> if he's using someone else's name, then as far as the government's concerned, he *is* that someone
05:26 <luke-jr_wifi> Your_mom_arma: no, real name is on birth cert
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> then you're in a government database
05:26 <Your_mom_arma> well i dont see a problem
05:26 <luke-jr_wifi> Lucifer_arma: not such that they can find me
05:26 <Your_mom_arma> your in a goverment database as soon as your born
05:26 <Lucifer_arma> he just thinks it's more important to avoid the black helicopters than it is to take care of his kid
05:27 <luke-jr_wifi> Lucifer_arma: nah, like I said... the solution is in sight
05:27 <luke-jr_wifi> but I'm avoiding the less desirable solutions
05:27 <Your_mom_arma> i seriusly dont see how you could sit here chatting about this when you could be taking action
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> me neither
05:27 <luke-jr_wifi> right now, she's just sleeping
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> if the cops wouldn't respond to me, someone would be dying
05:27 <spidey> luke-jr_wifi, are you a serial killer?
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> and then I'd be eating
05:27 <luke-jr_wifi> little difference between sleeing in BedA and BedB
05:27 <luke-jr_wifi> spidey: a cereal killer, yes
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> lot of difference between standing up for your kid and waiting around with excuses
05:28 <spidey> ....
05:28 <luke-jr_wifi> I kill cereal
05:28 <spidey> what's the big deal about the government knowing about you?
05:28 <luke-jr_wifi> the draft?
05:28 <spidey> .....
05:28 <Your_mom_arma> are you serius
05:28 <spidey> you're a real pussy dude
05:28 <Lucifer_arma> he's one of those guys that likes to enjoy his freedom but won't stick up for it
05:29 <Your_mom_arma> you didnt register?
05:29 <Your_mom_arma> dude i cant take anything you say seriusly now
05:29 <hiab> who didn't register
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, he can't very well make his suicide bomb attack for his middle-eastern buddies if he got drafted, could he?
05:30 <spidey> lol
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> if you just take every time he's said "catholic" and replace it with "moslem", he's the profile of a terrorist
05:30 <spidey> heh
05:31 <Your_mom_arma> he is an extremist who wont register for the draft and has mental problems
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> he's gonna wind up like timothy mcveigh, mark my words!  grrrrrrr
05:31 <spidey> my status on msn => you're going to hell because you're not catholic(so luke jr says)  my new msn status => you're going to hell because you're not a moslem (so luke jr says)
05:31 <hiab> his wife's parents kidnapped his kid?
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> hi bugboy
05:31 <hiab> hi
05:32 <luke-jr_wifi> Lucifer_arma: Bush's "war" is not related to freedom
05:33 <spidey> when you turned 18 there wasn't a war was there?
05:33 <hiab> oh yay talking about politics on the internet ^_^
05:33 <spidey> bush wasn't in office
05:33 <luke-jr_wifi> spidey: so?
05:33 <GodTodd> ahh...but spidey....luke *knew* it would happen
05:33 <luke-jr_wifi> Clinton was no better
05:33 <GodTodd> ;)
05:33 <Your_mom_arma> cry me a river when you get a summons and end up in jail
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't say anything about Bush's war
05:34  * spidey calls government to inform them of luke-jr_wifi  :D
05:34  * luke-jr_wifi murders spidey in his slepe
05:34 <spidey> sorry i don't slepe
05:34 <luke-jr_wifi> that's ok
05:34 <Your_mom_arma> ohh threats over the internet how intimidating
05:34 <luke-jr_wifi> I don't take much here serious anyway
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> there have been a few episodes in US history where it was necessary for wusses like you to take up arms to defend our freedom, and whether or not bush has a war has no impact on that
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> or the possibility we may have to do it again
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> legitimately, as our government needs it
05:35 <luke-jr_wifi> if I were to fight in a war, I would be against the US
05:35 <spidey> treasen :p
05:35 <spidey> punishable by death :D
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> really?  so who would you fight for?
05:35 <Your_mom_arma> you know its a free country your free to leave if you dont like it
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> couldn't be european, they all have laws against holocaust-denial
05:36 <luke-jr_wifi> Lucifer_arma: I said if
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> that's evading the question
05:36 <luke-jr_wifi> why do I need to have allies?
05:36 <luke-jr_wifi> =p
05:36 <luke-jr_wifi> um
05:36 <spidey> kets see
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> couldn't be mexican, they wouldn't know freedom if it fell from the sky, landed on their heads, and starting doing the tango
05:37  * luke-jr_wifi is going to be taught the hard way next time he plays Freeciv
05:37 <spidey> #google fight "everyone else" luke-jr_wifi 
05:37 <armabot> spidey: everyone else: 151000000, luke-jr_wifi: 0
05:37 <hiab> hahahaha
05:37 <spidey> enough said :D
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> so, if China invaded us and tried to conquer us, you'd hep them?
05:37 <luke-jr_wifi> #google fight spidey luke-jr
05:37 <armabot> luke-jr_wifi: spidey: 3130000, luke-jr: 78000
05:37 <spidey> pwned
05:37 <luke-jr_wifi> Lucifer_arma: nah, I'd fight both
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> you'd say "sure, I like communists.  I like totalitarian states"
05:37 <luke-jr_wifi> spidey: you have clones, tho
05:38 <hiab> here you go
05:38 <spidey> do not
05:38 <Your_mom_arma> im sure luke would love being slave labor
05:38 <hiab> #google fight hiab luke-jr
05:38 <armabot> hiab: hiab: 461000, luke-jr: 78000
05:38 <hiab> wow
05:38 <luke-jr_wifi> lol
05:38 <hiab> lots of hiabs
05:38 <luke-jr_wifi> #google fight GodTodd Luke-Jr
05:38 <armabot> luke-jr_wifi: Luke-Jr: 86500, GodTodd: 313
05:38 <luke-jr_wifi> I win
05:38 <luke-jr_wifi> =p
05:38 <spidey> haha
05:38 <spidey> GodTodd, is a everyone else
05:38 <spidey> you still loose
05:38 <spidey> lose
05:38 <luke-jr_wifi> I'm in a ton of ML archives =p
05:39 <luke-jr_wifi> #google fight mkzelda luke-jr
05:39 <armabot> luke-jr_wifi: luke-jr: 86500, mkzelda: 1180
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight "Dave fancella" luke-jr
05:39 <GodTodd> heh...oh no....my ego is shattered....i lost a feux fight to a wuss ;)
05:39 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr: 78000, Dave fancella: 12100
05:39 <Your_mom_arma> haha
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> really?  heh
05:39 <Your_mom_arma> poor luke he's lost everyones respect
05:39 <luke-jr_wifi> #google fight "Dave fancella" "luke-jr"
05:39 <armabot> luke-jr_wifi: luke-jr: 78000, Dave fancella: 12100
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> you're kind of assuming he had everyone's respect, there
05:39 <spidey> #google fight Luke-Jr spidey
05:39 <armabot> spidey: spidey: 3130000, Luke-Jr: 86500
05:39 <Your_mom_arma> haha
05:40 <luke-jr_wifi> #google fight Luke-Jr McSpiddles
05:40 <armabot> luke-jr_wifi: Luke-Jr: 86500, McSpiddles: 4
05:40 <luke-jr_wifi> pwned
05:40 <spidey> doesn't count
05:40 <luke-jr_wifi> =p
05:40 <luke-jr_wifi> #google fight supertard luke-jr
05:40 <spidey> #google fight mcspiddles luke-jr_wifi 
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> #google fight "Dave Fancella" luke-jr
05:40 <armabot> luke-jr_wifi: luke-jr: 86500, supertard: 814
05:40 <armabot> spidey: mcspiddles: 4, luke-jr_wifi: 0
05:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: luke-jr: 86500, Dave Fancella: 12400
05:40 <spidey> sucker
05:40 <luke-jr_wifi> #google fight wejp luke-jr
05:40 <armabot> luke-jr_wifi: luke-jr: 86500, wejp: 42900
05:40 <luke-jr_wifi> that surprises me
05:40 <groundpig> luke-jr_wifi: new patch posted in forums
05:40 <luke-jr_wifi> groundpig: mail! =p
05:41 <groundpig> why?
05:41 <spidey> #google fight groundpig luke-jr_wifi 
05:41 <armabot> spidey: groundpig: 995, luke-jr_wifi: 0
05:41 <luke-jr_wifi> cuz I'm lazy? =p
05:41 <Lucifer_arma> so he doesn't get put in a government database
05:41 <luke-jr_wifi> lol
05:41 <GodTodd> they're not reading his email yet?
05:41 <luke-jr_wifi> PGP encrypt it
05:42 <groundpig> how do i know you're the same luke-jr as on the forums?  i don't want to spam his email
05:42 <luke-jr_wifi> and my server uses SSL when possible
05:42 <luke-jr_wifi> groundpig: you have that many patches?
05:42 <spidey> luke-jr_wifi, why don't you ever talk on Luke-Jr O.o
05:42 <luke-jr_wifi> cuz that's at home
05:42 <GodTodd> yeah....cuz you know more about technology than the whole government....sorry, I forgot, luke....you're the best
05:42 <luke-jr_wifi> where I'm not
05:42  * GodTodd bows.
05:43 <groundpig> your forum entry doesn't even have an email address, how do i know what it is
05:43 <luke-jr_wifi> the government uses Windows
05:43 <luke-jr_wifi> case proven
05:43 <GodTodd> doesn't prove it to me
05:43 <luke-jr_wifi> groundpig: luke_armapatches@dashjr.org
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> the government also uses linux and a whole slew of other shit
05:43 <luke-jr_wifi> Lucifer_arma: not as a whole! =p
05:43 <Lucifer_arma> he's probably out at starbucks getting ready to toss his wife's dead body in the dumpster
05:43 <GodTodd> ah but Lucifer_arma, that doesn't prove his point and therefore isn't true
05:44 <luke-jr_wifi> nah, at a hotel
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> hell, they invented the internet long before luke-jr was born
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> they know tricks on the internet he can't even imagine yet
05:44 <luke-jr_wifi> Al Gore invented it, right Luci? =p
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> no
05:44 <GodTodd> you're losing faith in the tech god that luke is? i'm hurt ;)
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> he just happened to vote for the bill that funded the project
05:45 <spidey> could just send a few packets spoofed as luke-jr_wifi's ip to the DoD :p
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> it was chance, heh
05:45 <DrJoeTron> day of defeat :p
05:45 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I don't even know that that's entirely true, I don't know when al gore first got elected to the senate
05:45 <spidey> lol
05:45 <luke-jr_wifi> spidey: they're not that dumb =p
05:45 <luke-jr_wifi> lol
05:45 <spidey> you sure? :p
05:45 <Your_mom_arma> why dont you drill a hole in your forhead and let the sap drain out?
05:45 <luke-jr_wifi> groundpig: your email client thought was an IP and made it a link
05:45 <Your_mom_arma> yeah for pancakes
05:45 <luke-jr_wifi> spidey: I'd hope so
05:46 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen groundpig
05:46 <armabot> DrJoeTron: groundpig has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 13 minutes ago.
05:46 <luke-jr_wifi> #lastseen Luke-Jr
05:46 <armabot> luke-jr_wifi: I haven't seen anyone matching “luke-jr” yet, sorry.
05:46 <luke-jr_wifi> :(
05:46 <luke-jr_wifi> #lastseen spidey
05:46 <armabot> luke-jr_wifi: spidey |mbc| has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 32 hours 4 minutes ago.
05:46 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen slopok
05:46 <armabot> DrJoeTron: slopok rodreges has last been seen on The Lobster Cage 8 hours 15 minutes ago.
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen Lucifer
05:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I haven't seen anyone matching “lucifer” yet, sorry.
05:46 <luke-jr_wifi> #lastseen mediajunkie
05:46 <armabot> luke-jr_wifi: I haven't seen anyone matching “mediajunkie” yet, sorry.
05:46 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: BLOODTRICUTED
05:46 <Lucifer_arma> #lastseen marketjunkie
05:46 <luke-jr_wifi> #lastseen edd
05:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I haven't seen anyone matching “marketjunkie” yet, sorry.
05:46 <armabot> luke-jr_wifi: Eddywards has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 14 hours 24 minutes ago.
05:46 <DrJoeTron> Bledtricuted
05:46 <DrJoeTron> !!!!
05:46 <arctanx> #lastseen arctanx
05:46 <armabot> arctanx: I haven't seen anyone matching “arctanx” yet, sorry.
05:46 <luke-jr_wifi> I didn't ask about Eddywards...
05:46 <DrJoeTron> haha you and mom said it at once
05:47 <DrJoeTron> gomes*
05:47 <arctanx> hmm it doesn't watch xzl server :P
05:47 <luke-jr_wifi> GOOD NIGHT
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, I was gonna say it doesn't watch lame servers, but noticed the Speeders there
05:47  * luke-jr_wifi AnNoYs EvErYoNe HeRe
05:47 <spidey> hmmm
05:48 <Your_mom_arma> tokis parents seriusly freak me out
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> he's gonna come back tomorrow "well, the neighbor's dog was watching me, so I decided to make a tactical retreat"
05:48  * spidey cats luke-jr_wifi 's passwd file :D
05:48 <luke-jr_wifi> wtf is a toki
05:48 <luke-jr_wifi> sounds yummy
05:48 <arctanx> I'm trying to find a cheap dedicated hosting deal so I can run an arma server in australia
05:48 <luke-jr_wifi> spidey: go ahead
05:48 <DrJoeTron> i wish toki talked
05:48 <spidey> no
05:48 <spidey> i'm lazy,plus i forgot the address/ logins
05:48 <spidey> O.o
05:48 <Your_mom_arma> WOWEE
05:48 <luke-jr_wifi> arctanx: haha, good luck
05:48 <luke-jr_wifi> arctanx: bandwidth seems to be very expensive there
05:48 <arctanx> it is -_-
05:49 <arctanx> and people don't have minimal deals
05:49 <arctanx> not even virtuozzo
05:49 <luke-jr_wifi> heh
05:49 <luke-jr_wifi> ask Wizzee to host it ;p
05:49 <spidey> haha
05:49 <arctanx> like, it's nothing, or $100/mo for a full on system rental
05:49 <spidey> she's on isdn
05:49 <Your_mom_arma> lol Lucifer_arma
05:49 <arctanx> I hosted it on my own dsl for a while, but it's only 256k/64k, so if more than one or two people joined, laaag city
05:50 <luke-jr_wifi> arctanx: get me 5-10 people interested in Aussie hosting, and I'll add it to my hosting services
05:50 <spidey> hmm
05:50 <arctanx> luke-jr_wifi: like you'll rent an australian box and resell it?
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> has he event got 5-10 american customers yet?
05:50 <luke-jr_wifi> assuming that $100 full system can handle 10 people
05:50 <luke-jr_wifi> arctanx: yeah, if there's the customers who want it
05:50 <arctanx> depends. pretty poor system probably
05:51 <luke-jr_wifi> got details?
05:51 <arctanx> not sure, they were pretty crud
05:51  * arctanx looks at jumba
05:51 <luke-jr_wifi> I saw some the other day
05:51 <luke-jr_wifi> looking into adding Europe hosting
05:51 <arctanx> ah jumba doesn't do that
05:51 <arctanx> these guys look alright, but they're $AU150+/mo http://www.ozservers.com.au/
05:52 <luke-jr_wifi> #g 150 AUD to USD
05:52 <arctanx> that gives you sempron 3000+, 80gb hdd, 512mb ram, 100gb transfer
05:52 <armabot> luke-jr_wifi: 150 Australian dollars = 113.53500 U.S. dollars
05:52 <luke-jr_wifi> ...
05:52 <luke-jr_wifi> 100 GB transfer is crap for $114
05:52 <arctanx> mm
05:52 <luke-jr_wifi> unless it's dedicated...
05:52 <arctanx> welcome to australia
05:53 <arctanx> they share a gigabit connection apparently
05:53 <arctanx> here they let you rent older crappier systems for $AU99/mo, with 50GB transfer http://www.ozservers.com.au/dedicated_servers/bargain_servers.html
05:53 <arctanx> as they come available
05:54 <arctanx> #g 99 AUD in USD
05:54 <armabot> arctanx: 99 Australian dollars = 74.9331 U.S. dollars
05:55 <arctanx> the market's pretty stagnant.
05:55 <arctanx> bandwidth is indeed terrible around here
05:55  * arctanx emails his ISP to see if they'd run an arma server along with their others
05:58 <luke-jr_wifi> maybe see how much they'd want for a 1Mbit up/down connection that allows servers and doesn't need to be dedicated or a SLA
05:58 <luke-jr_wifi> of course, that's assuming your ISP doesn't have sucky latency too
05:58 <spidey> oh yer
06:00 <arctanx> well I get about 100-120 ping to their WA servers
06:00 <arctanx> which isn't too bad
06:00 <arctanx> and a definite improvement on the 300-450 I get playing on existing servers
06:01 <luke-jr_wifi> 100+ averages aren't good =p
06:01 <luke-jr_wifi> erm, you have over 100 ping to ISP services?
06:01 <arctanx> yeah they're based right over the other side of the country
06:02 <luke-jr_wifi> that's messed up :o
06:02 <luke-jr_wifi> anyway, what really matters is pings to other au players
06:02 <arctanx> arctanx:~ thomas$ ping ftp.iinet.net.au
06:02 <arctanx> PING ftp.iinet.net.au ( 56 data bytes
06:02 <arctanx> 64 bytes from icmp_seq=0 ttl=55 time=122.064 ms
06:03 <arctanx> probably about the same
06:03 <arctanx> you need to understand though that 250 is about the minimum ping you can see on any armagetron server from here
06:03 <arctanx> at least 300 for a populated server
06:03 <luke-jr_wifi> yeah, but ...
06:04 <luke-jr_wifi> well, if you want to find out how much that 1MBit server non-dedicated non-SLA would cost/mo, I might consider getting a system for it or smth
06:12 <arctanx> well I sent them a message
06:12 <arctanx> I'm expecting "no, we can't do that, unless you want <insert really big expensive service here>"
06:14 <luke-jr_wifi> anyway
06:14 <luke-jr_wifi> email me
06:14 <luke-jr_wifi> I goin to sleep now
06:15 <arctanx> what's your address?
06:15 <luke-jr_wifi> luke_whatever@dashjr.org
06:15 <arctanx> kk
06:34 <groundpig> wow i really messed that last one up
06:35 <Your_mom_arma> haha
06:35 <Your_mom_arma> the flag was all over the place
06:36 <groundpig> yeah not sure what was going on there
06:39 <DrJoeTron> brb
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08:06 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I figured out where the CPU usage is coming from.  It's pyqt itself, I think.
08:07 <spidey> deja_vu_, 
08:11 <spidey> hmm i wonder how this VPS will run
08:13 <spidey> You have 4811 unread messages:
08:13 <spidey> holy shit...
08:17 <GodTodd> #last
08:17 <armabot> GodTodd: [08:13:01] <spidey> holy shit...
08:17 <spidey> lol
08:18 <GodTodd> is there a "#help"?
08:18 <GodTodd> #help
08:18 <armabot> GodTodd: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
08:18 <spidey> #help google
08:18 <armabot> spidey: (google <search> [--{language,restrict} <value>] [--{notsafe,similar}]) -- Searches google.com for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --restrict restricts the results to certain classes of things; --similar tells Google not to filter similar results. --notsafe allows possibly work-unsafe results.
08:18 <GodTodd> #help last
08:18 <armabot> GodTodd: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns (1 more message)
08:19 <GodTodd> #last --from luke-jr_wifi --with christian
08:19 <armabot> GodTodd: [05:22:03] <luke-jr_wifi> and being a non-christian family, the mother-in-law works too
08:19 <GodTodd> i thought i read that right a while ago
08:19 <GodTodd> hmmm
08:19 <spidey> lol#last --from luke-jr_wifi --with christian --nolimit
08:19 <spidey> #last --from luke-jr_wifi --with christian --nolimit
08:19 <armabot> spidey: [05:22:03] <luke-jr_wifi> and being a non-christian family, the mother-in-law works too and [05:17:13] <luke-jr_wifi> not many christians today
08:20 <spidey> heh
08:20 <spidey> #last --from luke --nolimit --with christian --nolimit
08:20 <armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 30434 messages.
08:20 <spidey> ?
08:20 <spidey> #last --from --nolimit --with christian --nolimit
08:20 <armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 30436 messages.
08:20 <spidey> oh
08:20 <GodTodd> #last --from luke* --with christian --nolimit
08:21 <spidey> #last --nolimit --with christian --nolimit
08:21 <armabot> GodTodd: [05:22:03] <luke-jr_wifi> and being a non-christian family, the mother-in-law works too and [05:17:13] <luke-jr_wifi> not many christians today
08:21 <armabot> spidey: [08:20:54] <GodTodd> #last --from luke* --with christian --nolimit, [08:20:40] <spidey> #last --from --nolimit --with christian --nolimit, [08:20:24] <spidey> #last --from luke --nolimit --with christian --nolimit, [08:19:52] <spidey> #last --from luke-jr_wifi --with christian --nolimit, [08:19:26] <spidey> lol#last --from luke-jr_wifi --with christian --nolimit, [08:19:07] <GodTodd> #last --from luke-jr_wifi (1 more message)
08:21 <spidey> lol
08:21 <spidey> #more
08:21 <armabot> spidey: --with christian, [05:22:03] <luke-jr_wifi> and being a non-christian family, the mother-in-law works too, [05:17:13] <luke-jr_wifi> not many christians today, and [05:16:52] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, she's a psycho christian just like you
08:22 <GodTodd> fundies are fun to play with....that's why i never ignore him ;)
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08:23 <Lucifer_arma> I have a 20 second snooze time
08:24 <GodTodd> 20 seconds before the next barrage?
08:24 <spidey> ?
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08:24 <GodTodd> !
08:24 <spidey> [NP]Tangent, 
08:25 <GodTodd> O_o
08:25 <spidey> Your PayPal payment by bank transfer to paypal@eastside-hosting.com for 
08:25 <spidey> $1.00 USD has been processed and automatically credited to the PayPal 
08:25 <spidey> account of the payment's recipient. Thus, this transaction is completed. 
08:25 <spidey> ugh
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> yep
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> testing the snooze function
08:25 <spidey> wtf's eastside-hosting
08:26 <GodTodd> spidey: i'd guess some kind of host
08:26 <GodTodd> on the eastside of something i'd wager
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> web hosting for black people
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> yay
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08:27 <GodTodd> wtg
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08:27 <Lucifer_arma> er
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:27 <spidey> lol
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> if you snooze and then stop the alarm during the snooze period, it still goes off one last time
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> that's not gonna work
08:28 <spidey> hmm
08:28 <GodTodd> heh
08:29 <spidey> appearently somehow i've got a auto-payment thingy that takes out $1 one month then $2 the next month
08:29 <spidey> then $1 again
08:29 <spidey> and so on
08:29 <spidey> o.o
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> that sucks
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> in a year you'll get ripped out of $18
08:30 <spidey> hmm
08:31 <spidey> no
08:31 <spidey> i figured it out
08:31 <spidey> i need to check my emails mroe often
08:31 <spidey> look
08:31 <spidey> service@paypal.com  	 eCheck Payment Complete 	Fri May 12, 2006 	3k
08:31 <spidey>  	service@paypal.com  	 eCheck Payment Complete 	Tue May 16, 2006 	3k
08:31 <spidey> i deleted the recent ones
08:31 <spidey> these where in the spam folder :/
08:32 <spidey> service@paypal.com  	 eCheck Payment Complete 	Thu May 18, 2006 	3k
08:32 <spidey> it's like
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> I swear
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> I thought I had it, I really did
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> I hate it when I use a boolean flag where if it's true, the first thing I have to do is make it false and then forget to make it false
08:33 <spidey> lol
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08:34 <Lucifer_arma> now we'll see
08:34 <DrJoeTron> http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/11/ben-heckendorns-xbox-360-laptop-best-mod-ever/
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> again, er
08:34 <DrJoeTron> i love ben heck
08:34 <GodTodd> so marry him :P
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> yay, snooze works now
08:34 <spidey> no
08:34 <spidey> you think it does
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> it's coming together pretty well, really.  ALl the basic alarm stuff works, media player works, still need to randomize the playlist
08:34 <spidey> but it's really your wifes alarm clock
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> heh, well, one of the points behind the rewrite is for me and her to share alarms and playlists so it doesn't matter who's logged in anymore as long as somebody is
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm not quite there yet
08:35 <spidey> ?
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> it's been a recurring problem with the old alarm clock where she'll log me out and log in herself to do stuff, but she won't start the alarm clock
08:36 <spidey> what's the alarm clock for again?
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> because right now it requires opening a terminal, and she figures I can do it since I'm the one who needs it (she uses it to wake up too)
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> it's for waking up, what else is an alarm clock for?
08:37 <GodTodd> spidey: to wake up with?
08:37 <spidey> ...
08:37 <spidey> you must got some loud desktop speakers :p
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> I do
08:37 <GodTodd> you know...when you have places to *be*
08:37 <GodTodd> ;)
08:37 <spidey> these things i got are ok, but would never wake me up
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> I used to live in this basement, and there was this lady that lived over us, and I stuck in whitesnake's Still of the Night for the song
08:38 <spidey> hell my grandma blowing a whistle in my ear barely wakes me up :D
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> and when it went off the first time, she called us on the phone to ask us what had happened, she thought our oven blew up
08:38 <GodTodd> hahahah
08:38 <spidey> haha
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> sad thing is, I slept through the alarm that morning
08:38 <GodTodd> tommy figured out real quick how to wake up dear ol' dad
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> man, my kids can't wake me up for shit
08:38 <GodTodd> i get up pretty quick when punched in the groin
08:38 <GodTodd> :/
08:39 <spidey> LOL
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:40 <GodTodd> i have to get the loudest alarm clock i can and even then it's hit or miss whether i wake up or not
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> so this alarm clock has a systray icon and I'm going to make it start whenever either of us login, and I"ll set it up to use the same data files
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you've got some good speakers, I've a solution
08:40 <spidey> lol
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> unfortunately the version I'm working on only runs in Linux right now, but after I port to pyQt4 there'll be a windows version
08:41 <GodTodd> i do....does it matter if they're in the kitchen? ;)
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> probably.  You'll need them where you do most of your sleeping...
08:41 <spidey> make a stereo adapter for your computer :p
08:41 <GodTodd> hmmm...no room in the bedroom :/
08:41 <spidey> i got 700+watts :D
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> although about the time when the kids get computers I'll probably make a client that'll take control from a server so I can set their alarms to sync with mine
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> that's kind of draconian, but the idea of having everybody's alarms set right appeals to me
08:42 <spidey> lol
08:42 <GodTodd> heh...tommy already has a handmedown laptop
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, you've got time to worry about getting speakers, I'm still a ways from having the pyQt4 version
08:42 <spidey> um
08:42 <spidey> question
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> hell, I may as well have started with it since I had to remake the gui anyway, but I couldn't find the pyqt4 designer binary :/
08:43 <GodTodd> answer
08:43 <spidey> why can't  he use the windows python port?
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> gui library is pyQt3
08:43 <spidey> i run all my py apps in it~
08:43 <spidey> though when i get my server back -_-
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> now, it's true that pyQt3 has a windows port, but it's non-Free and they make it really hard (if it's even possible anymore) to get a binary for it
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> so you're kinda stuck there, you'd have to shell out ~$1k to get it
08:44 <spidey> .....
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> not worth it.  more worth it to get your hands dirty and write the pyQt4 port yourself, since pyQt4 is GPL on Windows too
08:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's kinda why the original version used wxPython instead.  :/
08:46 <spidey> hold
08:46 <Lucifer_arma> I've written it to be gui-independent though
08:47 <spidey> ok
08:47 <spidey> here ya go
08:47 <spidey> http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pyqt/download.php
08:47 <spidey> i own ;x
08:48 <spidey> PyQt-gpl-4.0.1-Py2.4-Qt4.1.4.exe  	PyQt v4 GPL for Windows, Qt v4.1.4 and Python v2.4
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> gpl-4.0.1
08:48 <Lucifer_arma> PyQt v4 GPL for Windows
08:49 <spidey> ?
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> that's pyQt4 you found
08:49 <spidey> isn't that what you needed? :p
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> in the right place, no less, it is made by riverbank computing
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah, sorta.  See, then there's a bunch of code needed.  pyQt3 code is not compatible with pyQt4
08:49 <Lucifer_arma> I guess I forgot to mention that
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> huge api changes
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> when I do finally release a new windows version, it'll be all py2exe'd up with a self-installer, you won't need python installed and it'll just work like you expect
08:51 <Lucifer_arma> that's how the old version is
08:51 <GodTodd> but...ease of use....isn't that Bad Programming?
08:52 <spidey> lol
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> the few comments I got back on the old version were all good :)
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> I even stumbled across a linux distribution asking for last-minute inclusions and someone posted asking for it
08:54 <GodTodd> oh...that's right....i guess i need to stop listening to luke ;)
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, he hates python anyway :P
08:54 <GodTodd> i have no opinion :)
08:55  * Lucifer_arma has a very strong opinion :)
08:55 <GodTodd> really?
08:55 <GodTodd> no...
08:55 <GodTodd> wouldn't have guessed :)
08:55 <GodTodd> heh
08:56 <GodTodd> i'm gonna be learning c++ and java....probably should learn python too
09:01 <Lucifer_arma> that's lame, I can't tell it to put the text on the left side of the checkbox?
09:05 <deja_vu_> spidey: 
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09:42 <spidey> #last --nolimit
09:42 <armabot> spidey: [09:05:47] <deja_vu_> spidey:, [09:00:58] <Lucifer_arma> that's lame, I can't tell it to put the text on the left side of the checkbox?, [08:56:07] <GodTodd> i'm gonna be learning c++ and java....probably should learn python too, [08:55:26] <GodTodd> heh, [08:55:25] <GodTodd> wouldn't have guessed :), [08:55:19] <GodTodd> no..., [08:55:17] <GodTodd> really?, [08:55:09] * Lucifer_arma has a very strong opinion (50 more messages)
09:42 <spidey> deja_vu, 
09:50 <spidey> i'm just reading the teamspeak ToS
09:50 <spidey> they're pretty gay
09:51 <spidey> 4. ATHP Examples
09:51 <spidey> Examples where ATHP-based licensing applies include but are not limited to the following:
09:51 <spidey> a) Direct Fees - If you charge a monthly rental or usage fee for a TeamSpeak server OR channel you are subject to ATHP licensing fees.
09:51 <spidey> b) Indirect Fees – If you “sponsor” a clan and ask them to advertise for you in return for the use of a TeamSpeak server OR channel you are subject to ATHP licensing fees.
09:51 <spidey> c) Inclusion Fees – If you are a Game Server Provider (GSP) that hosts a TeamSpeak server OR channel to someone who is paying a monthly fee to rent a game server then you are subject to ATHP licensing fees **REGARDLESS** of whether or not you choose to charge for the TeamSpeak server itself.
09:51 <spidey> a i can understand
09:52 <spidey> d and c are kinda gay
09:52 <spidey> s/d/b
09:55 <spidey> ok
09:55 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, 
09:56 <spidey> here's where i went nix retarded again :D
09:56 <spidey> how do i untar a .tar.bz2
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> tar -jxvf thefile
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> it's the j that makes it bz2
09:57 <spidey> ah
09:58 <spidey> thanks :D
10:06 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=User_talk:Wrtlprnft&curid=1791&diff=15730&oldid=15607&rcid=14381 ← someone explain that to me
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15:00 <wrtlprnft> armabot's gonna be gone for some 20 minutes.
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17:26 <wrtlprnft> #ping
17:26 <armabot> pong
17:26 <wrtlprnft> good, armabot's there :)
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21:37 <wrtlprnft> does anyone know an alternative nameserver i can use? my ISP's name server's down…
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21:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: http://www.opennic.unrated.net/public_servers.html
21:47 <wrtlprnft> !
21:47 <wrtlprnft> now if you give me the IP of that domain…
21:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oh sorry ><
21:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar>
21:51 <wrtlprnft> ty
21:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> np
21:53 <wrtlprnft> aaah
21:53 <wrtlprnft> works :)
21:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :)
21:53  * wrtlprnft slaps his provider
21:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
21:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you know shit about configuring sshd?
21:54 <wrtlprnft> uh, a bit
21:54 <wrtlprnft> what do you need?
21:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i want to make it block ip for 30 minutes after 5 failed login attempts
21:54 <wrtlprnft> I've read something a while ago that that isn't possible
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21:55 <wrtlprnft> they suggested some iptables rule instead
21:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but how can iptables tell if it's a failed login attempt or a successful one?
21:57 <wrtlprnft> uh, i dunno iptables that well, but couldn't it see if because the connection gets terminated again?
21:58 <wrtlprnft> http://www.freebsdwiki.net/index.php/Block_repeated_illegal_or_failed_SSH_logins
21:58 <wrtlprnft> that would be for BSD, though
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21:59 <wrtlprnft> !
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21:59 <spidey> lol
21:59 <wrtlprnft> ok, killed one of them
22:00 <wrtlprnft> i was too impatient and ended having two armabots running
22:01  * spidey is waiting for his vps to be setup O.o
22:02 <wrtlprnft> Very Potent Shit?
22:02 <spidey> -_-
22:02 <spidey> though they didn't give me a OS choice :(
22:02 <spidey> hope it's debian
22:06 <spidey> #g 12.46*12
22:06 <armabot> spidey: 12.46 * 12 = 149.52
22:06 <spidey> question
22:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #g log(2,25)
22:06 <spidey> how do you setup a mysql db
22:06 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: log(2,25) = 0,352182518
22:06 <wrtlprnft> #google how do you setup a mysql db
22:07 <spidey> i've only done it in cpanel~
22:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 1.00 seconds: phpMyAdmin | MySQL Database Administration Tool | www.phpmyadmin.net: <http://www.phpmyadmin.net/>; can i set up a mysql db connection as a class ?: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2006-April/338803.html>; can i set up a mysql db connection as a class ?: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2006-April/338821.html>; can i set up a mysql db connection as (2 more messages)
22:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wrtlprnft: i wanted to do that ><
22:07 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: :P
22:08 <wrtlprnft> though those seem to be kinda useless
22:09 <wrtlprnft> though installing phpmyadmin might be a good idea for a noob :P
22:09 <wrtlprnft> only if you protect the entire dir via .htaccess or something similar, though
22:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://www.webwisesage.com/addons/free_ebook.htm
22:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://www.webwisesage.com/addons/free_ebook.html
22:10 <wrtlprnft> an EXE ebook? what for?
22:13 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: http://www.pettingers.org/code/sshblack.html might be interesting for you, too
22:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thanks alot
22:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but too tired to look at it now
22:16  * [Xpert]DarkStar is cleaning his swiss army knife
22:19 <wrtlprnft> netcat?
22:20 <[Xpert]DarkStar> real swiss army knife....
22:20 <wrtlprnft> hehe
22:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> did you know that the dutch have a saying for things that are only half done or that are badly done?
22:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> they say "it's done the french way"
22:24 <Vanhayes> #lastseen player 1
22:24 <armabot> Vanhayes: Player 1 seems to be on  |AST|  Fortress right now.
22:24 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6181 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/swig/ext/armagetronad/network/nNetwork.i: Added class nMessage, but it is rather useless since it deals with references and operators that need to be renamed.
22:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #lastseen [Xpert]DarkStar
22:25 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: I haven't seen anyone matching “[xpert] darkstar” yet, sorry.
22:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #lastseen DarkStar
22:25 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: DarkStar has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress 39 hours 8 minutes ago.
22:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
22:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #lastseen \[Xpert\]DarkStar
22:25 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: I haven't seen anyone matching “\\\\ [xpert\\\\] darkstar” yet, sorry.
22:25 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Icarus
22:25 <armabot> Vanhayes: Icarus seems to be on  |AST|  Fortress right now.
22:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how the fucking hell do i tell it that the [] are part of the nick?
22:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #lastseen "[Xpert]DarkStar"
22:26 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: I haven't seen anyone matching “[xpert]darkstar” yet, sorry.
22:27 <nemostultae> #lastseen nemostultae 
22:27 <armabot> nemostultae: nemostultae has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 25 hours 58 minutes ago.
22:27 <Vanhayes> #last seen Vanhayes 
22:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns (1 more message)
22:27 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
22:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 23 hours 42 minutes ago.
22:27 <Vanhayes> #lastseen player
22:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: Player 1 has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 3 minutes ago.
22:27 <Vanhayes> #lastseen player 20
22:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: Player 20 has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 23 hours 4 minutes ago.
22:31 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: well, you can tell it to include the []
22:31 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: but you're out of luck if you try to include the quotes themselves
22:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i dont want the quotes... only the []
22:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so the version with the quotes is ok
22:31 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sure
22:31 <wrtlprnft> i'm just saying
22:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> laptop rocks ^^
22:34 <wrtlprnft> for the record: Don't keep an old guestbook script you once tested and linked from somewhere working and unattended
22:34 -!- wejp [n=j@i577BA8D1.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:35 <wrtlprnft> just found out today that the top 10 words on wrtlprnft.de were href, online, hypernews, get, forum, phentermine, buy, tramadol, viagra and klicktop
22:35 <wrtlprnft> because of that script which accumulated more than 20,000 spam entries
22:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> viagra?
22:36 <wrtlprnft> well, 50% of all spam seems to be about viagra
22:36 <wrtlprnft> and the href is explicable because I only allowed BBCode, no HTML…
22:37 -!- wejp [n=j@i577B9865.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm k
22:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi wejp 
22:37 <wejp> hi
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22:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
22:48 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
22:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> all
22:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> $/
22:48 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:48 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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23:27 <Vanhayes> #lastseen naz
23:27 <armabot> Vanhayes: Nazurath has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 20 minutes ago.
23:28 <madmax|pt> o_O
23:28 <madmax|pt> thats nice
23:28 <madmax|pt> #lastseen swoosh
23:28 <armabot> madmax|pt: I haven't seen anyone matching “swoosh” yet, sorry.
23:28 <madmax|pt> heh
23:29 <madmax|pt> #lastseen madmax
23:29 <armabot> madmax|pt: madmax has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 20 minutes ago.
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23:35 <madmax|pt> are in the AST server Vanhayes?
23:35 <Vanhayes> nah its full, im waiting
23:35 <Vanhayes> ha Im in
23:36 <madmax|pt> i got a slot too now
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> ok, she's a terrible Velma
23:38 <Lucifer_arma> she's just a hot chick in Velma's clothing
23:50 <Vanhayes> huh?
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23:58  * spidey yawns
23:58 <spidey> anyone wanna play freeciv? :p
23:58 <Lucifer_arma> scooby doo movie, I think it's the second one
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> it's good just because of scooby's big heroic thing at the end, which is awesome
23:59 <spidey> scooby doo?
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm really sick of that Velma, she's nothing like Velma
23:59 <spidey> the one on the island
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> she's just a hot chick in Velma's clothing
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> no, the one in Coolsville with the monster maker
23:59 <spidey> o.o
23:59 <spidey> cartoon one?
23:59 <Lucifer_arma> no, live action

Log from 2006-09-12:
--- Day changed Tue Sep 12 2006
00:00 <spidey> lol@ luci bitching about velma :))
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> Scooby Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed
00:00  * spidey goes to download it
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> it's the same Velma anyway as the island one
00:00  * spidey wishes yahoo had a 'delete all' button
00:01 <spidey> no way i'm going throuhg 4228 enails
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> check them more often?
00:01 <spidey> i only check my hotmail email
00:01 <spidey> because that's where my important mail goes
00:01 <spidey> but i forgot i signed the paypal thing with my yahoo account
00:01 <spidey> :/
00:02 <spidey> Inbox (125)
00:02 <spidey> # Bulk (4228)[Empty]
00:02 <spidey> ahh
00:02 <spidey> empty deletes them all
00:03  * spidey wonders if he can forward all his emails from msn to the webserver smtp
00:04 <spidey> hmmm
00:04 <Vanhayes> mmmh
00:04 <spidey> now how do you use esmtp :D
00:05 <spidey> auth
00:05 <spidey> 504  authentication mechanism not supported
00:05 <spidey> o.o
00:06 <spidey> i think i just broke the mail server
00:06 <spidey> O.o
00:07 <spidey> hmm
00:07 <spidey> can i send a email to someone?
00:09 <Vanhayes> lamb--chop@hotmail.com
00:09 <spidey> is that real? lol
00:09 <Vanhayes> I need to check mine anyway
00:09 <Vanhayes> '
00:09 <Vanhayes> yup thats the one I use
00:10 <Vanhayes> there is a reason
00:10 <spidey> sec
00:10 <spidey> ok
00:10 <spidey> should be from spidey@fallin-angels.com or spidey@www.fallin-angels.com
00:11 <Vanhayes> heh i love how it sent it to the junkmail
00:11 <spidey> o.o
00:11 <spidey> what's the address it came from?
00:11 <Vanhayes> test....
00:11 <spidey> ya
00:12 <spidey> sent one to myself and didn't get it :(
00:13 <spidey> ahhh, it went to the junk mail too....
00:13 <spidey> hmm
00:13 <Vanhayes> get the tested... one?
00:13 <Vanhayes> nvrm
00:13 <Vanhayes> you didnt
00:13 <spidey> nope
00:13 <spidey> ?
00:14 <Vanhayes> This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
00:14 <Vanhayes> Delivery to the following recipients failed.
00:14 <Vanhayes>        acid@www.fallin-angels.com
00:14 <spidey> o.o
00:14 <spidey> wtf
00:14 <spidey> my host is retarded
00:14 <spidey> first he thought php was phpnuke
00:15 <spidey> then i asked him to remove www. from the domain dns in apache
00:15 <spidey> he was like huh?
00:15 <spidey> and he won't make the file read/write so i can do it :<
00:39 <Vanhayes> #lastseen hy
00:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: ->M<- Hyphy has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 3 minutes ago.
00:39 <Vanhayes> hate that guy
00:39 <Vanhayes> #lastseen tit
00:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: {t,d} TitS has last been seen on Shrunkland in 2.8.2 31 hours 51 minutes ago.
00:40 <Vanhayes> #lastseen titsn
00:40 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “titsn” yet, sorry.
00:41 <spidey> Vanhayes, 
00:41 <spidey> warrock?
00:41 <Vanhayes> spidey: 
00:41 <Vanhayes> fortress?
00:41 <spidey> i suck at fortress :(
00:41 <Vanhayes> im leaving in a few minutes so no
00:41 <Vanhayes> heh
00:42 <Vanhayes> most people are a little rusty, there hasnt been any classic fort srvers used lateley
00:42 <spidey> i got 14 processes including xchat :D
00:42 <spidey> finally decided to tweak this install after i decided i'm not gonna format anytime soon
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00:43 <spidey> ok ok, lets play fortress :p
00:43 <spidey> deja_vu_, 
00:51 <Vanhayes> spidey: .... , sucks use :
00:54 <Vanhayes> no frtress for spidey
00:54 <Vanhayes> fortress*
00:54 <spidey> either i'm lagging 
00:54 <spidey> or that server LAGS
00:55 <spidey> i may suck, but i know how to not just run straight into a wall :p
00:55 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@p57A1AEDE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
00:55 <spidey> anyways, i'ma go lag on warrock, atleast i can hide somewhere :D
00:55 <Vanhayes> ya that was the hardest one to learn
00:55 <Vanhayes> lol
00:57 <Vanhayes> hmm if I started warrock right now I could start playing in 10-15 minutes
00:59 <spidey> ?
00:59 <Vanhayes> load times
00:59 <spidey> i'm started and in a game in about
00:59 <spidey> 1 minute
00:59 <spidey> :D
00:59 <spidey> or less
00:59 <spidey> depends if there's alot of servers
01:00 <spidey> then i have to chose
01:00 <Vanhayes> 5 minutes to start up 5 minutes to getinto a server/room 5 minutes(at least) for the map to load
01:00 <spidey> o.o
01:01 <mkzelda> whattup
01:01 <mkzelda> who wants to play
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01:03 <spidey> playwhat?
01:03 <spidey> i'm busy killing a chopper
01:06 <Vanhayes> mkzelda: play fortress?
01:06 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
01:06 <armabot> Vanhayes: |AST| Fortress (13 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (13 players) || ~*Speeders*~ Classic Server (9 players) || Capture The Flag Sty (8 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (8 players) || Norm's Place (6 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (5 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (5 players) || -=|LøÏ|=- Lords Of Destruction Fortress Server (4 players) || 135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix-- (1 more message)
01:07 <mkzelda> k
01:13 <spidey> weee
01:13 <spidey> i landed a chopper, i feel special :D
01:20 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-64-108-205-96.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #Armagetron
01:20 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
01:20 <spidey> warrock?
01:25 <DrJoeTron> torrenting
01:28 <spidey> :(
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02:55 <spidey> good god
02:56 -!- Vanhayes__ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034183129.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
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03:32 <spidey> deja_vu, 
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04:33 <DrJoeTron> sweet i might have a job in october
04:33 <DrJoeTron> on a vince vaughn movie
04:39 <spidey> ?
04:39 <DrJoeTron> ya
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> you gonna be a gopher?
05:00 <spidey> hmm
05:00 <spidey> ok what OS should i use
05:01 <spidey> cnetOs
05:01 <spidey> centos*
05:01 <spidey> debian sarge 3.1
05:01 <spidey> fedroa 3-5
05:01 <spidey> gentoo, slackware , opensuse, or ubuntu
05:02 <spidey> can't decide which i wanna use O.o
05:03 <spidey> debian it is :D
05:07 <spidey> fallin-angels:~# cat /proc/version
05:07 <spidey> Linux version 2.6.9 (root@kern268.build.sw.ru) (gcc version 3.3.3 20040412 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.3-7)) #1 SMP Wed Jul 19 16:13:15 MSD 2006
05:07 <spidey> i could have sworn i selected debian
05:08 <spidey> #g Mem:   3756488Kb in MB
05:08 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:08 <spidey> #g Mem:   3756488kb in MB
05:08 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:08 <spidey> ....
05:08 <spidey> #g 3756488kb in MB
05:08 <spidey> :D
05:08 <armabot> spidey: 3,756,488 kilobits = 458.555664 megabytes
05:17 <Lucifer_arma> of course he doesn't find out until he's already installed it
05:18 <spidey> well
05:18 <Lucifer_arma> oh, for that vps you got?
05:18 <spidey> i just reinstalled it
05:18 <spidey> and it's  still redhat
05:18 <spidey> :/
05:18 <spidey> ya
05:18 <spidey> hmm
05:18 <spidey> lets try ubuntu
05:18 <spidey> anything but red hat
05:18 <spidey> :S
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> got another corner case :/
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> I hate dealing with corner cases :(
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> for example: What happens when you install the app fresh, start it, and then quit?  not exactly a corner case, but it's easy to code yourself into trouble.
05:24 <Lucifer_arma> better yet, what if the playlist only has 1 song on it?  What happens if I press next/previous?
05:26 <DrJoeTron> spidey
05:26 <DrJoeTron> get guild wars
05:27 <spidey> oreo
05:27 <spidey> that's the new server name :D
05:31 <spidey> hmm
05:31 <spidey> weird
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05:32 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, you remember how to change the hostname on ubuntu
05:32 <spidey> like ~user@whatever
05:36 <DrJoeTron> hey
05:36 <Your_mom_arma> hi
05:36 <spidey> root@oreo:~#
05:36 <spidey> yay :D
05:41 <spidey> O.o
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: I never really knew
05:47 <spidey> me either
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> there's usualy a file in /etc somewhere called hostname
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> I think
05:47 <spidey> i just changed alot of stuff in bash.bashrc and /etc/profile
05:47 <spidey> lol
05:59 <spidey> hmm
06:00 <spidey> if you start a app as root, it shouldn't matter if the files it needs to read are marked as read-only by a certain group does it?
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> no, it doesn't
06:02 <spidey> root@oreo:/home/spidey/soldat# ./soldatserver
06:02 <spidey> Killed
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> you might be blocked though if the file is marked as read-only for everyone, not sure about that, that's a corner case
06:02 <spidey> i'm guessing the server killed it
06:02 <spidey> though i dunno how/why
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> Killed is what's usually printed when someone does kill -9
06:03 <spidey> O.o
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> I suppose a task might do it to itself if it had a nasty bug in it :)
06:04 <spidey> hmm
06:04 <spidey> so
06:05 <spidey> i'll just zip the one on my webserver cause i know it works
06:05 <spidey> oh, host is rebooting it :/
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06:07 <spidey> oi
06:07 <groundpig> nk
06:07 <spidey> :p
06:08 <groundpig> DrJoeTron: per player spawn limits promote disconnects/reconnects, unless you don't allow spawning of freshly joined players, but thats no fun
06:08 <groundpig> so i'm thinking team spawn limit per base per round
06:08 <spidey> acid@server [~]# uptime
06:08 <spidey>  05:09:56  up 48 min,  1 user,  load average: 31.40, 42.70, 29.14
06:08 <spidey> o.o
06:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, would not having a certain package the app needs cause it to say Killed?
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> don't really know
06:16 <Lucifer_arma> normally if you're missing a library you get a different error, something like "Couldn't link with libstupid.so.0"
06:16 <spidey> ./armagetronad-dedicated: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: 
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> it's possible the soldat server started a new process in a subshell and then killed it and then exited itself
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's the one alright :)
06:17 <Lucifer_arma> cat /proc/version
06:17 <spidey> root@oreo:~# cat /proc/version
06:17 <spidey> Linux version 2.6.9 (root@kern268.build.sw.ru) (gcc version 3.3.3 20040412 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.3-7)) #1 SMP Wed Jul 19 16:13:15 MSD 2006
06:17 <spidey> wait
06:17 <spidey> wtf
06:18 <spidey> that was ubuntu a few minutes ago
06:18 <spidey> o.o
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> you need to edit grub.conf and change the default kernel
06:18 <Lucifer_arma> that's in /boot/grub usually
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> if they use lilo you're kinda screwed
06:20 <spidey> to bad they don't have a fuck this os whipe it~ option
06:21 <spidey> ok
06:21 <spidey> Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by
06:21 <spidey> applicable law.
06:21 <spidey> : command not found
06:21 <spidey> -bash: /etc/profile: line 20: syntax error: unexpected end of file
06:21 <spidey> root@oreo:~#
06:21 <spidey> root@oreo:~# cat /proc/version
06:21 <spidey> Linux version 2.6.9 (root@kern268.build.sw.ru) (gcc version 3.3.3 20040412 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.3-7)) #1 SMP Wed Jul 19 16:13:15 MSD 2006
06:21 <spidey> :/
06:22 <spidey> there's no /boot/grub
06:28 <DrJoeTron> groundpig theres always kicking people for taking advantage :D
06:28 <groundpig> i don't like kicking people
06:28 <spidey> lol
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06:30 <DrJoeTron> ah ok
06:33 <groundpig> mostly because i'm never there
06:36 <groundpig> the only problem i have with respawn limits is that the game draws on for a very long time when they run out
06:44 <groundpig> how about i just put a death zone that expands rapidly in about 4 minutes in
06:48 <spidey> What is the speed of your network? All of our VPS nodes are plugged into our gigabit ethernet backbone. You will have access to multiple gigabits of premium tier-1 bandwidth. VPSLink colocates all equipment within the Spry Datacenter in Seattle, Washington. Spry peers with over 20 internet and telecom providers,
06:48 <spidey> O.O
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07:24 <DrJoeTron> man groundpig 
07:24 <DrJoeTron> that kid
07:24 <DrJoeTron> he needs to be strangled
07:25 <DrJoeTron> nothing that a good brick to the head wont fix ;d
07:25 <groundpig> :B)
07:34 <Lucifer_arma> I thought you liked spidey
07:41 <DrJoeTron> spidey is a saint compared to this kid
07:41 <DrJoeTron> the tna wannabe
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08:21 <spidey> .....
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> man, my alarm clock rules
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> couple more things to do, then I need to get it where I can make dist, do svn import and release
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09:21 <deja_vu_> spidey: 
09:24 <wrtlprnft> spidey: 
09:25  * wrtlprnft agrees with deja_vu_ 
09:25 <deja_vu_> :)
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09:27 <spidey> shithead
09:27 <spidey> hmm
09:27 <spidey> sec
09:27  * spidey renames wrtlprnft to Luke-Jr-Jr and deja_vu to Pick-On-Me
09:28 <deja_vu> o.o
09:28 <deja_vu> fascinating :P
09:28 <Lucifer_arma> keys that I want to use errr, nvm
09:28  * wrtlprnft renames spidey to PANTS
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I have a ssh key pair and I'd like to put the public key somewhere, and I forgot which file it's in.  ANybody know right off the top of their head?
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> hey man, PANTS was cool.  :)
09:29 <deja_vu> Lucifer_arma: ~/.ssh/authorized_keys ?
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> I used that one, but I'm not sure it's the right one :/
09:29 <Lucifer_arma> I thought it had pub in the name somehweres
09:30 <deja_vu> hm
09:30 <spidey> wrtlprnft, why when i try to start a server on the VPS it comes back with 'Killed' ?
09:30 <spidey> :D
09:30 <deja_vu> i usually copy them to the host i want to login to with: ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub user@remotehost
09:30 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: if you generate a key it will create the key file, and a file with the same name ending in “.pub”
09:31 <wrtlprnft> spidey: ?
09:31 <spidey> sec
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's for sourceforge
09:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, why is sourceforge telling me forbidden?
09:32 <spidey> [root@oreo soldat]# ./soldatserver
09:32 <spidey> -bash: ./soldatserver: Permission denied
09:32 <spidey> wow o.o
09:33  * Lucifer_arma wishes his own svn server were running
09:33 <wrtlprnft> spidey: …
09:33 <Lucifer_arma> ah, just got taken in by a delay of some sort
09:33 <spidey> sec, forgot to make it executable :p
09:33 <wrtlprnft> spidey: what about chmod a+x soldatserver?
09:34 <spidey> done now
09:34 <spidey> [root@oreo soldat]# ./soldatserver
09:34 <spidey> Killed
09:34 <spidey> [root@oreo soldat]#
09:34 <wrtlprnft> uh
09:34 <wrtlprnft> maybe it doesn't want to be run as root?
09:35 <spidey> mm
09:35 <spidey> sec gotta adduser
09:35 <wrtlprnft> I think armagetronad-dedicated refuses to be run as root too
09:35 <spidey> [root@oreo ~]# adduser spidey
09:35 <spidey> [root@oreo ~]# su - spidey
09:35 <spidey> [spidey@oreo ~]$ passwd
09:35 <spidey> Changing password for user spidey.
09:35 <spidey> Changing password for spidey
09:35 <spidey> (current) UNIX password:
09:35 <spidey> passwd: Authentication token manipulation error
09:35 <spidey> ?
09:36 <wrtlprnft> uh
09:36 <wrtlprnft> do passwd spidey as root?
09:36 <wrtlprnft> I think adduser doesn't set a password
09:37 <spidey> [spidey@oreo soldat]$ ./soldatserver
09:37 <spidey> Killed
09:37 <spidey> [spidey@oreo soldat]$
09:38 <wrtlprnft> well, ask in #soldat or whereever?
09:38 <spidey> i think it's something with the VPS
09:38 <spidey> i can run it on the webserver O.o
09:40 <spidey> brb
09:41 <Lucifer_arma> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pyalarm/dsac/trunk/dsac  <--- new alarm clock
09:49 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: >I'm hoping to release a linux version pretty soon, but it's going to take a port to pyQt4 before there will be a new windows release, sorry.
09:49 <wrtlprnft> is it windows or linux, now?
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> linux
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> possibly works in mac os x
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> at least a mac version doesn't require a pyQt4 port :)
09:50 <wrtlprnft> who uses windows anyways?
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> heh, look at the downloads page, ummm, hang on
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=96361&package_id=102952&release_id=302240
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> 1671 windows downloads, but the rest aren't too far behind
09:52  * Lucifer_arma wonders what happened to the 0.3 release
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> maybe that only existed on my hard drive
09:54 <wrtlprnft> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `medium/dsac.png', needed by `all-am'.  Stop.
09:54 <wrtlprnft> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mathias/armagetronad3/dsac/Graphics'
09:54 <wrtlprnft> make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, do the Graphics/medium and Graphics/large directories exist?
09:56 <wrtlprnft> no
09:56 <wrtlprnft> only Graphics/small
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> update and try again, having problems with .svn directories hanging around :/
09:58 <wrtlprnft> err
09:59 <wrtlprnft> now i have a medium/dsac.png, but not a Graphics/medium/dsac.png
09:59 <wrtlprnft> which results in the same error, obviously
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh, oops
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> sorry
09:59 <wrtlprnft> same with large/
09:59 <wrtlprnft> np
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> ok, again!  :)
10:01 <wrtlprnft> ran through
10:01 <wrtlprnft> guru3_ forgive me
10:01 <wrtlprnft> Traceback (most recent call last):
10:01 <wrtlprnft>   File "./dsac", line 69, in ?
10:01 <wrtlprnft>     from libdsacgui import mainqt
10:01 <wrtlprnft>   File "/home/mathias/armagetronad3/dsac/libdsacgui/mainqt.py", line 35, in ?
10:01 <wrtlprnft>     from systemtray import SystrayIcon
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> ctypes
10:02 <wrtlprnft>   File "/home/mathias/armagetronad3/dsac/libdsacgui/systemtray.py", line 4, in ?
10:02 <wrtlprnft>     import ctypes as c
10:02 <wrtlprnft> ImportError: No module named ctypes
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> you'll need to emerge that
10:02  * Lucifer_arma goes to add it to configure
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> it's part of python 2.5 though
10:02 <wrtlprnft> i have the python gentoo considers stable
10:02 <wrtlprnft> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
10:02 <wrtlprnft> Calculating dependencies   ... done!
10:02 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild   R   ] dev-lang/python-2.4.3-r1  
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> me too, I think.
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> [ebuild     U ] dev-lang/python-2.4.3-r3 [2.4.3-r1]
10:04 <wrtlprnft> last emerge --sync is about a week ago i think
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> mine's daily now.  :)
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, it either just ran or will in the next hour
10:05 <wrtlprnft> well, i don't want to have it rysync right now
10:05 <wrtlprnft> because i'm reemerging everything
10:06 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/167720
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10:07 <Lucifer_arma> ls ~/.dsac
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> aha
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> Error creating new directory: '/home/mathias/.dsac/log', with permissions '504
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> why can't it create that directory?
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> er, that's odd
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, svn update should have a fix
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> in sec
10:12 <spidey> hmm
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now
10:13 <spidey> how do i figure out the OS this thing's running, heh
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> just won't have a log the first time it tries
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> cat /proc/version tells you the kernel
10:13 <spidey> yea
10:13 <spidey> but it's not a redhat install, i forgot which one i installed
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> but the kernel is a redhat kernel?
10:13 <spidey> ya
10:13 <spidey> 3.3.5
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> cat /etc/gentoo-release
10:14 <spidey> nope, not gentoo
10:15 <spidey> i would use a gentoo install, but i don't know anything about it
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> there's probably some file in /etc that'll tell you what's installed
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> but if you managed to accidentally install one distribution over another, you might be fucked
10:15 <spidey> heh, nah
10:16 <spidey> i don't think
10:16 <spidey> unless they don't format with the changeOS option
10:16 <spidey> which would explain why the quota keeps going up
10:16 <spidey> o.o
10:17 <spidey> these guys got some good tech support
10:17 <spidey> responded >6 minutes after i made both support tickets
10:20 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: seems to work
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> thanks.  :)
10:24 <spidey> if i hear this song one more time i'ma stab the radio
10:24 <wrtlprnft> yw
10:28 <spidey> oreo ~ # cat /etc/gentoo-release
10:28 <spidey> Gentoo Base System version 1.6.14
10:28 <spidey> :p
10:31 <spidey> o.o
10:31 <spidey> why do i get permission denied for  su - root
10:41 <wrtlprnft> uh
10:41 <wrtlprnft> maybe you need to add the user who calls su to a special group?
10:41 <spidey> ?
10:41 <wrtlprnft> at least on gentoo you have to add a user to “wheel” if they should be allowed to use su, sudo, and the like
10:42 <spidey> and write
10:42 <spidey> wget gives it to me to
10:42 <wrtlprnft> ls -l /usr/bin/wget?
10:43 <spidey> spidey@oreo /home $ ls -l /usr/bin/wget
10:43 <spidey> -rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 194928 Mar 18 21:13 /usr/bin/wget
10:44 <wrtlprnft> and you can't run that?
10:44 <spidey> i can but i get this
10:44 <spidey> Length: 4,648,960 (4.4M) [application/x-tar]
10:44 <spidey> armagetron.tar: Permission denied
10:44 <spidey> Cannot write to `armagetron.tar' (Permission denied).
10:44 <wrtlprnft> well
10:44 <wrtlprnft> pwd?
10:45 <spidey> ?
10:45 <wrtlprnft> ls -ld `pwd`
10:45 <spidey> spidey@oreo /home $ ls -ld `pwd`
10:45 <spidey> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 1024 Mar 18 16:24 /home
10:46 <spidey> can't use mkdir either :d
10:46 <wrtlprnft> well
10:46 <wrtlprnft> you're in /home…
10:46 <wrtlprnft> you're not supposed to be able to write there
10:46 <spidey> there's not a /home/spidey
10:46 <spidey> :(
10:47 <spidey> k, going back to debian so i can apt-get :D
10:48 <wrtlprnft> well, what about you create a home dir?
10:49 <spidey> hmm
10:49 <wrtlprnft> and chown it to spidey, of course
10:50 <spidey> hmm
10:50 <wrtlprnft> even better do something like
10:50 <spidey> what tags.
10:50 <wrtlprnft> cp -r /etc/skel /home/spidey
10:50 <wrtlprnft> chown -R spidey /home/spidey
10:51 <wrtlprnft> then make sure spidey has the correct home dir in /etc/passwd
10:52 <spidey> k
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> I usually delete the user and then remake it with a different command/options when that happens
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> but I don't remember what the different command and/or options are :/
10:54 <spidey> #last --from wrtlprnft --with a+x
10:54 <armabot> spidey: [12:05:37] <wrtlprnft> spidey: what about chmod a+x soldatserver?
10:55 <spidey> mm
10:55 <spidey> it's complaining about not being able to make //.arma*/var
10:55 <spidey> o.o
10:55 <wrtlprnft> what's complaining?
10:56 <spidey> arma server
10:56 <spidey>         [0] Could not create path to //.armagetronad-dedicated/var/scorelog.txt. Check your user's rights.
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> wow
10:56 <wrtlprnft> echo $HOME
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> that means ~/ isn't being expanded properly
10:56 <spidey> echo $HOME => /
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> do:  . /etc/profile
10:56 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: probably means the homedir isn't set correctly
10:57 <wrtlprnft> 10:51 <wrtlprnft> then make sure spidey has the correct home dir in /etc/passwd
10:57 <spidey> it does
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> he'd have to login again if he changed it there, though
10:57 <wrtlprnft> what's the output of grep spidey /etc/passwd?
10:57 <spidey> spidey:x:1000:1000::/home/spidey:/bin/bash
10:57 <wrtlprnft> either re-login
10:57 <wrtlprnft> or say export HOME=/home/spidey
10:57 <spidey> i didn't change it
10:57 <spidey> it was already there
10:57 <spidey> o.o
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> how did you login?  by su?
10:58 <spidey> su won't let me
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> sometimes su doesn't give a login shell, that's why I ask
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> so ssh then?
10:58 <spidey> ya
10:58 <spidey> ahh
10:58 <spidey> nvm
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> you might check /etc/sshd.conf to see if it's configured to give a login shell, sometimes it's not
10:58 <spidey> it started that time
11:00 <spidey> hmm
11:00 <spidey> default port :D
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11:07 <philippeqc> hi
11:36 <wrtlprnft> hi ph
11:37 <spidey> now what where those settings?
11:37 <spidey> i'ma save them
11:37 <wrtlprnft> uh
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cycle_rubber 100
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cycle_rubber_time 100000000
11:37 <wrtlprnft> many zeros, anyways
11:37 <wrtlprnft> cycle_rubber_wall_shrink -8
11:37 <wrtlprnft> walls_length 0.00001
11:38 <spidey> :D
11:40 <spidey> hmm
11:40 <spidey> scp doesn't output speed?
11:41 <spidey> that's weird
11:41 <spidey> spidey@oreo ~/soldat $ ./soldatserver
11:41 <spidey> Killed
11:41 <spidey> but tron starts
11:57 <wrtlprnft> scp should output speed…
12:11 <spidey> doesn't
12:14 <spidey> now.
12:14 <spidey> i'ma go play dukenukem on n64 emulator :p
12:19 <spidey> ok maybe i won't
13:13 <spidey> #night
13:13 <armabot> Good night spidey!
15:45 <Luke-Jr> yawm
15:45 <Luke-Jr> yawn*
15:46 <Luke-Jr> scp is a networked 'cp', so weird == any output
15:46 <Luke-Jr> cp doesn't have output, why should you expect scp to?
15:46 <Luke-Jr> spidey: why not DOS emulator?
15:47 <Luke-Jr> after all, Duke Nukem was a DOS game too =p
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16:14 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: well, usually it does output speed and stuff
16:14 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ever tried cp -g?
16:16  * wrtlprnft hates distros having default aliases like rm=rm\ -i or scp=scp\ -q or cp=cp\ -g
16:20 <philippeqc> what is cp -g ? its not in my man pages here
16:20 <wrtlprnft> i know
16:20 <wrtlprnft> undocumented, but works
16:21 <philippeqc> [ph@localhost 17.1]$ cp -g a.out delme
16:21 <philippeqc> cp: invalid option -- g
16:21 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:21 <wrtlprnft> for me it displays a progress bar and stuff
16:21 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ cp -g /www2/awbvswpn.avi /tmp                                ~
16:21 <wrtlprnft> awbvswpn.avi                     |  56% |   244 MiB |  6630 KiB/s | ETA 00:00.16
16:21 <philippeqc> o
16:21 <philippeqc> o
16:22 <wrtlprnft> o
16:22 <wrtlprnft> ;)
16:22 <philippeqc> I didnt know you used a teletubbies distro there ;)
16:22 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ cp --version                                                 ~
16:22 <wrtlprnft> cp (GNU coreutils) 5.94
16:22 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: gentoo o_O
16:22 <philippeqc> cp (coreutils) 5.2.1
16:23 <philippeqc> yeah, I know you use gentoo!
16:23 <philippeqc> I'm so happy I got rid of it
16:23 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:24 <wrtlprnft> I don't think the -g is gentoo–specific…
16:24 <wrtlprnft> just that you're using a stone age version of coreutils
16:24 <philippeqc> I never saw any speed improvement over Mandrake/Mandriva, but I saw usage time shrink down because of the constant update-fix conflict-compile cycles
16:25 <wrtlprnft> don't focus on the speed that much
16:25 <wrtlprnft> though updating is a pain sometimes
16:25 <philippeqc> hugga bugga, me hunt mamouth:  cp mamouth open-fire
16:25 <philippeqc> humm roasted mamouth
16:27 <philippeqc> i had changed hoping to get access to my "accelerated" 3d hardware on my laptop. the xorg was always for the wrong version, so I never got it to work beside really downloading the xorg source myself and fixing all by hand.
16:28 <philippeqc> after 1 year of waiting, got tired, reformated to mandriva. if its not going to be accelerated, better be easy ;). Now I have a desktop with nvidia drivers (mandriva too)
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17:09 <slane> hi all ;)
17:10 <wrtlprnft> hi
17:12 <slane> armabot was ebabled?
17:13 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:13 <wrtlprnft> #ping
17:13 <armabot> pong
17:13 <slane> #ping
17:13 <armabot> pong
17:13 <slane> ;p
17:14 <wrtlprnft> #dict ebabled
17:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: No definition for "ebabled" could be found.
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17:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> evening all
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18:03 <luke-jr_work> what is "ct." in euros?
18:06 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cents?
18:09 <luke-jr_work> I doubt it
18:09 <luke-jr_work> #g 50 ct. in euro
18:09 <luke-jr_work> #g 50 ct in euro
18:09 <armabot> luke-jr_work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
18:09 <armabot> luke-jr_work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
18:09 <luke-jr_work> #g 50 european cents in euro
18:09 <armabot> luke-jr_work: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
18:09 <luke-jr_work> :/
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18:10 <philippeqc> luke-jr_work: ct is, in french, for centime
18:11 <philippeqc> lol @ "#g 50 european cents in euro"
18:17 <wrtlprnft> an euro cent is 10^-2 €…
18:17 <wrtlprnft> #g 50 euro cents in euro
18:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 50 Eurocents = 0.5 Euro
18:17 <wrtlprnft> there ya go
18:18 <philippeqc> #last --from wrtlprnft --with utf
18:18 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 6701 messages.
18:20 <luke-jr_work> aww
18:21 <philippeqc> #g 50 usd cent in usd
18:21 <armabot> philippeqc: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
18:21 <philippeqc> #g 50 canadian cent in canadian dollar
18:21 <armabot> philippeqc: 50 Canadian cent = 0.5 Canadian dollar
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19:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why the bloody hell does my laptop see my digital camera that is connected to usb while my desktop doesnt'
19:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ?
19:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm working now 0o
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20:26 <madmax|pt> hi
20:40  * madmax|pt is away: Not Here.
20:42  * [Xpert]DarkStar gotta write a damn essay about terrorism -.-
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20:54 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: x_X I suggest you disable that “/me is away: <some dumb meaningless phrase>” thingy, it's not liked by a lot of people in here…
21:02 <madmax|pt> heh
21:02 <wrtlprnft> well, unfortunately /away messages are mostly meaningless these days…
21:03 <madmax|pt> pretty much
21:03 <wrtlprnft> and it's not really worth writing good ones as noone reads them (why? they rarely contain actual information)
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21:04 <madmax|pt> "it's not liked by a lot of people in here…" o_O
21:04 <wrtlprnft> well, yeah
21:04 -!- You're now known as gentoo
21:05 <madmax|pt> lol
21:05 <gentoo> let's do some commercials :P
21:05 <gentoo> surprised this nich isn't registered
21:05 <gentoo> oh, it is, nvm
21:05 <madmax|pt> close to saying :o
21:06 <gentoo> hasn't been used for a good week, though
21:06 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
21:06 <madmax|pt> if anyone is interested and doesnt know, iTunes 7 released
21:07 <wrtlprnft> do they have a linux version?
21:07 <madmax|pt> well, no
21:08 <wrtlprnft> then it's probably not interesting to me
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21:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wouldnt even be interesting to me if there was a linux version
21:18 -!- ubuntu is now known as luke-jr_work
21:21 <madmax|pt> what do you use to listen to music [Xpert]DarkStar ?
21:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> audacious
21:24 <MaZuffeR> yay, i just won 2€ in a poker tournament
21:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 2 what?
21:24 <MaZuffeR> euro
21:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah
21:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i only see an inverted "@" there
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21:27  * [Xpert]DarkStar hates his german teacher
21:27 <Vanhayes> because he is german?
21:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> he's actually not, but the subject he's teaching me is...
21:30 <Vanhayes> ah heh sry bout that
21:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gotta write some sort of essay about the stuff we discussed the last few lessons
21:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> terrorism...
21:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and gotta rebootzor my laptop...
21:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> brb
21:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> re
21:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i think my laptop's sound is broken -.-
21:37 <wrtlprnft> fun.
21:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's doing mono sound
21:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but instead of mixing the channels
21:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it does one channel on both speakers
21:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the left one
21:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> weird thing is that if i play with the balance
21:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it works...
21:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so it could also be some software problem...
21:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone got a clue?
21:43 <madmax|pt> audacious?
21:43 <madmax|pt> :P
21:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> mplayer and vls do the same
21:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and so does mpg123
21:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> vls = vlc
21:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> could it be libasound doing weird shit?
21:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> another reboot fixed it -.-
22:03 <wrtlprnft> that sounds so much like windows x_X
22:07  * Vanhayes loves when problems just fix themselves on windows
22:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> actually the first time i have such a thing happening with linux
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22:17 <Vanhayes> #weather Saint John
22:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: Temperature: 68°F / 20°C | Humidity: 33% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM ADT; Tonight - Clear. Wind north 20 km/h. Low 6 except plus 3 inland. Risk of frost.; Wednesday - Sunny. Wind northwest 20 km/h becoming west 20 in the afternoon. High 20. UV index 5 or moderate. Wednesday night..clear. Increasing cloudiness (1 more message)
22:17 <Vanhayes> #more
22:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: overnight. Low 8.; Tuesday - Sunny. High 17.;
22:17 <Vanhayes> hmm isnt today tuesday?
22:18 <wrtlprnft> uh, it is
22:18 <Vanhayes> must mean thursday
22:18 <Vanhayes> #check mean
22:19 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's just old info…
22:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
22:19 <wrtlprnft> anyways
22:19 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:19 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:19 <Vanhayes> night
22:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night wrtlprnft 
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15:05 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 20 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal]
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15:07 <wrtlprnft> did i miss anything?
15:07 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen wrtlprnft
15:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft |mbc| has last been seen on 4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan} 91 hours 2 minutes ago.
15:07 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen vanhayes
15:07 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Vanhayes has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 37 hours 44 minutes ago.
15:08 <spidey> #lastseen spidey
15:08 <armabot> spidey: spidey |mbc| has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 38 hours 12 minutes ago.
15:08 <spidey> it lies
15:08 <spidey> i was on wild west sumo last night
15:15 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen wrtlprnft
15:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: wrtlprnft |mbc| has last been seen on 4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan} 91 hours 10 minutes ago.
15:15 <wrtlprnft> weird
15:15 <wrtlprnft> just played
15:15 <wrtlprnft> it just doesn't seem to update itself propery
15:15 <wrtlprnft> *properly
15:17 <arctanx> #lastseen arctanx
15:17 <armabot> arctanx: arctanx has last been seen on  ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server 23 hours 40 minutes ago.
15:18 <arctanx> sucks, xzl is the only public server I have a playable ping on
15:20 <arctanx> where playable = 280-350
15:22 <Luke-Jr> arctanx: O.o
15:22 <wrtlprnft> hmm, it seems to be missing servers…
15:27 <wrtlprnft> maybe they're banning me
15:27 <wrtlprnft> no, can't be, I'm using the same IP and have no problems
15:31 <arctanx> time for sleep
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15:38 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Wraith_Squadron&curid=2051&diff=15759&oldid=15749&rcid=14410 ← i'm really interested if that will end in chaos or not…
15:45 -!- DrJoeTron [n=DrJoeTr0@adsl-64-108-205-96.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #Armagetron
15:47 <DrJoeTron> 2020 strikes me as the person who opens emails that say Re: PHAeevRMACY and think its from actual people?
15:47 <DrJoeTron> no "?"
15:48 <DrJoeTron> cause i mean, he's arguing with a spam bot ont he boards
15:48 <Luke-Jr> ...
15:48 <Luke-Jr> it can be fun sometimes
15:54 <DrJoeTron> sure, when you know its spam
15:54 <DrJoeTron> but he doesnt
15:54 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=90951#90951
16:18 <wrtlprnft> I just got an interesting email… You can actually buy “Viagra generic soft” for $3.25 per 100mg?!
16:18 <wrtlprnft> great, isn't it?
16:19 <GodTodd> only if it gives me more girth and bigger breasts
16:20  * wrtlprnft goes buy 5 kilos of it. Sooo cheap!
16:21 <wrtlprnft> #g 3.25 usd per (100  grams) in usd per (5 kg)
16:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (3.25 U.S. dollars) per (100 grams) = 162.5 U.S. dollars per (5 kg)
16:21 <wrtlprnft> #g 3.25 usd per (100  grams) in euros per (5 kg)
16:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (3.25 U.S. dollars) per (100 grams) = 127.872206 Euros per (5 kg)
16:22  * wrtlprnft loves google
16:22 <GodTodd> 3.25 for 100 g or for 100mg?
16:22 <wrtlprnft> oooh
16:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i may be wrong, but it should be 1000 times more expensive
16:22 <wrtlprnft> #g 3.25 usd per (100  milligrams) in euros per (5 kg)
16:22 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (3.25 U.S. dollars) per (100 milligrams) = 127,872.206 Euros per (5 kg)
16:22 <wrtlprnft> didn't see the “m“
16:22 <GodTodd> ;)
16:23 <GodTodd> yeah....no sex is worth 127K ;)
16:23 <wrtlprnft> eat 5kg of that stuff and you have other troubles than sex…
16:24 <GodTodd> true
16:24 <GodTodd> #g 5kg in pounds
16:24 <armabot> GodTodd: 5 kilograms = 11.0231131 pounds
16:24 <wrtlprnft> x_X
16:25 <wrtlprnft> #g 3.25 usd per (100  milligrams) in euros per (mass of the earth)
16:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (3.25 U.S. dollars) per (100 milligrams) = 1.52786827 * 10^(29) Euros per mass of Earth
16:26 <wrtlprnft> yay!
16:26 <GodTodd> let me write a check....
16:26 <wrtlprnft> does anyone have €10^29 handy?
16:26 <GodTodd> heh
16:27 <wrtlprnft> come on… just some small change
16:28 <GodTodd> i've only got 1.52786827 * 10^(28) on me....can you float me the rest?
16:31 <wrtlprnft> o_O
16:31 <wrtlprnft> that would be 9 times as much…
16:31  * spidey slaps todd
16:34  * wrtlprnft wonders if he could get a discount for that amount of viagra…
16:36 <deja_vu> *g*
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20:59 <madmax|pt> hi
21:00 <wrtlprnft> hi
21:05 <madmax|pt> champions league... hmm...
21:05 <madmax|pt> :D
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21:19 <madmax|pt> hi cusco, Vanhayes 
21:20 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034187012.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
21:20 <Vanhayes_> ack
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22:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone know when guru will be back online?
22:09 <wrtlprnft> as soon as he has settled in britain…
22:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm well
22:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thought he might have told more to someone else
22:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone got his mobile number?
22:16 <wrtlprnft> #echo 0173–[time %s]
22:16 <armabot> 0173– 1158187602
22:16 <wrtlprnft> there you go…
22:17 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
22:17 <ghableska> hello
22:17 <madmax|pt> hi ghableska 
22:17 <wrtlprnft> #echo 0173–[time %s]
22:17 <armabot> 0173– 1158187715
22:17 <wrtlprnft> err
22:17 <wrtlprnft> hi
22:18 <ghableska> hi wrtlprnft, madmax|pt
22:18 <ghableska> is armabot working again?
22:18 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:18 <wrtlprnft> working all the time…
22:18 <ghableska> the #lastseen feature wasn't getting updated...
22:19 <wrtlprnft> there's something weird going on, true
22:19 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
22:19 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 41 hours 22 minutes ago.
22:19 <ghableska> hmm
22:19 <wrtlprnft> somehow servers are starting to disappear from the list
22:20 <wrtlprnft> which is very weird as I didn't change anything and they're still on the master server
22:20 <ghableska> oh
22:20  * ghableska pokes spidey
22:21 -!- wejp_ [n=j@i577B9839.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
22:22 <wrtlprnft> for example CTWF disappeared…
22:23 <wrtlprnft> but strangely CT wild dog/catfight are still there
22:23 <ghableska> O_o
22:30 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i have no clue, can't fix it…
22:30 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:30 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:30 <madmax|pt> gnight
22:31 <ghableska> cya
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23:26 <luke-jr_work> who lives in europe?
23:28 <GodTodd> europeans
23:29 <luke-jr_work> ...
23:29 <luke-jr_work> here
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> still europeans
23:37 <luke-jr_work> ...
23:38 <luke-jr_work> the answer to a question is not the question converted to a statement
23:41 <GodTodd> it's as valid an answer as 'RTFM'
23:42 <madmax|pt> ok, i live in europe
23:42 <madmax|pt> lol
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, some asians live in Europe
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> and a few americans
23:44 <mkzelda> ive heard of some americans living there too
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> some migrant workers live there sometimes
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> nemo lives in europe
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> and he's an american
23:44 <mkzelda> i suppose anyone who doesnt live on the other continents
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, or any of the islands
23:45 <mkzelda> or outside of this earth?
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's just the space station, but there may be people on the space station that actually do live in europe
23:45 <Lucifer_arma> I guess the space shuttle's out there right now and has non-europeans on it
23:46 <mkzelda> ya
23:46 <mkzelda> their ancestors are probably from europe tho
23:47 <GodTodd> possibly africa tho
23:47 <mkzelda> yes, possibly
23:48 <GodTodd> my whole point was i refuse to be helpful to someone whose only answer to my own questions is 'RTFM' ;)
23:48 <mkzelda> Nothing says "I love you" like a superficial and overvalued rock clawed from the guts of earth by african slave labor.
23:49 <mkzelda> yes, i figured as much GodTodd 
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> ... and rust
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> wait until you see luke-jr_work 's bug reports
23:49 <mkzelda> which is why I joined in
23:49 <luke-jr_work> um
23:49 <luke-jr_work> our configure script doesn't check for boost....
23:49 <nemostultae> um, check sf bugs
23:49 <mkzelda> He usually my questions are answered with questions
23:49 <luke-jr_work> different questions maybe
23:50  * Lucifer_arma recalls filing that bug
23:50 <mkzelda> i remember hitting that bug in like may
23:50 <mkzelda> when i bought my house
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> wow, you bought a house and it made you hit a bug in arma?
23:50 <mkzelda> moved in beginning of june, mighta been then
23:51 <mkzelda> speaking of
23:51 <mkzelda> if i hit escape during 3,2,1, sometimes my visual goes away, i get the hud and an unupdated grid/overlay
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> that sucks
23:54 <Lucifer_arma> buy a different house?
23:54 <mkzelda> haha
23:55 <Lucifer_arma> you might create a bug for it on sf, but I'd expect a gGame factoring to probably fix it.  Or maybe make it worse so someone else can see it happening, which would also be good
23:56 <mkzelda> k

Log from 2006-09-14:
--- Day changed Thu Sep 14 2006
00:08 <luke-jr_work> ugh, trunk doesn't compile
00:08 <luke-jr_work> (as dedicated)
00:09 <luke-jr_work> gcc 3.3.5
00:14 <Vanhayes> er speaking of bugs do you guys know about the freezeing during server sync one?
00:19 <ghableska> oh yeah
00:24 <Vanhayes> argh froze
00:24 <ghableska> again?
00:24 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lack@ipd50aa335.speed.planet.nl] has quit ["Here I Go, To Save The Day!"]
00:25 <Vanhayes> er server freeze not snyc thing
00:26 <ghableska> oh
00:27 <Vanhayes> though that snycing thing did happen earlier today
00:28 <ghableska> for me, it usually seems to be random...
00:28 <Vanhayes> any way I asked about it cause lack asked me about it then asked if any devs knew about it
00:28 <ghableska> oh
00:29 <ghableska> maybe it's a windows problem
00:29 <Vanhayes> probly
00:29 <Vanhayes> a windows/.3 thing
00:29 <ghableska> yeah
00:30 <ghableska> do you still get the crash with the next track key?
00:30 <Vanhayes> ya probly, I unbinded them so Im not sure
00:40 <luke-jr_work> SERVER_NAME Test Low-Ping Euro Armaserver
00:40 <luke-jr_work> go try it =p
00:40 <luke-jr_work> madmax|pt: that's you
00:43 <Vanhayes> i get a 142 there
00:43 <Vanhayes> its about the same as what z-man's were like
00:45 <luke-jr_work> Vanhayes: you're not Euro =p
00:45 <luke-jr_work> which of z-man's?
00:45 <luke-jr_work> IIRC, this one is located in the Netherlands
00:45 <Vanhayes> his old bugfarm
00:47 <Vanhayes> well his bugfarm* afaik there is no new one he has
00:48 <luke-jr_work> btw, mkzelda...?
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00:53 <Vanhayes> bah no more IRC slides for me!
00:53 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034187012.nb.aliant.net] has quit ["So thats what that button does...."]
00:53 <ghableska> haha
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01:06 <madmax|pt> hm, the server still up luke-jr_work ?
01:07 <madmax|pt> btw, its cool when you have to outgrind yourself to get an exit and survive
01:13 <luke-jr_work> yes
01:13 <luke-jr_work> please try it =p
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01:25 <ghableska> #weather 50265
01:25 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in Des Moines, Iowa is 73.4°F (5:54 PM CDT on September 13, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa. 
01:25 <ghableska> #cnn 50265
01:25 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, IA is 73.0°F. Conditions: Partly Sunny. Humidity: 43%. Wind: CLM at 0 mph (0 km/h).
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01:39 <madmax|pt> 75 with peaks of 100
01:40 <madmax|pt> something like that
01:40 <madmax|pt> #weather lisbon
01:40 <armabot> madmax|pt: Temperature: 64°F / 18°C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 12:30 AM WEST; Chance of Rain. High:77 ° F. / 25 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:64 ° F. / 18 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:73 ° F. / 23 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:62 ° F. / 17 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:75 ° F. / 24 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:62 ° F. / 17 ° (1 more message)
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> #weather 78717
01:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The current temperature in Meadows of Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 88.5°F (6:38 PM CDT on September 13, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 51.8°F. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa. 
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> it was raining cats and dogs yesterday, now it looks like a drought outside
01:42 <madmax|pt> meadows of brushy creek is a nice name
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> that's the only place I've seen it, though
01:43 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, maybe the sign coming in to the neighborhood says it and I just neer noticed it
01:44 <Lucifer_arma> but Brushy Creek is accurate anyway.  We're in the Brushy Creek Municipal District, and that's who we pay for water/electric/gas
01:45 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder if we lived one block east if the weather people would say "Cat Hollow" (the name of the kinda ritsy neighborhood I hae to drive through to get to my less-ritsy home)
01:46 <spidey> Luke-Jr, luke-jr_work 
01:50  * madmax|pt pokes spidey 
01:50 <spidey>
01:51 <Lucifer_arma> wtf spidey!?
01:52 <spidey> user_beancounter :p
02:08 <Luke-Jr> spidey: 
02:08 <spidey> pm
02:08 <Luke-Jr> ...
02:13 <Luke-Jr> madmax|pt: hm, compared to the norm?
02:26 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6182 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cMap.cpp: missing include
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02:52 <spidey> #g 55euros in USD
02:52 <armabot> spidey: 55 Euros = 69.89400 U.S. dollars
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03:31 <Luke-Jr> ...
03:31 <ghableska> ....
03:31 <Luke-Jr> ghableska: where dya live?
03:32 <ghableska> Iowa
03:32 <Luke-Jr> o
03:32 <Luke-Jr> your name looked European to me
03:32 <ghableska> O_O
03:33 <ghableska> how so?
03:33 <Luke-Jr> dunno
03:33 <Luke-Jr> 'gh'
03:33 <ghableska> it's a nonsense word, heh
03:35 <Luke-Jr> =p
03:35 <ghableska> #google ghableska
03:35 <armabot> ghableska: Search took 0.05 seconds: Third Tronic Ladle - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Third_Tronic_Ladle>; Anarchic wanderers - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Anarchic_wanderers>; Armagetron Forums :: View topic - BUG cries on Bugfarm Fortress ...: <http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3081&>; Armagetron Forums :: View topic - (2 more messages)
03:35 <ghableska> heh
03:36 <Luke-Jr> #google fight ghableska "Luke-Jr"
03:36 <ghableska> hmm
03:36 <spidey> #google fight "everyone else" Luke-Jr 
03:36 <armabot> spidey: everyone else: 145000000, Luke-Jr: 75800
03:36 <spidey> pwn
03:37 <Luke-Jr> #google fight ghableska "Luke-Jr"
03:37 <ghableska> hehe
03:37 <ghableska> #google fight ghableska Luke-Jr
03:37 <ghableska> :P
03:37 <armabot> ghableska: Luke-Jr: 6230, ghableska: 2180
03:37 <ghableska> meh
03:37 <ghableska> but all the hits are related to me :P
03:38 <Luke-Jr> most of mine are
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04:09 <ghableska> wb
04:09 <Your_mom_arma> ty
04:23 <DrJoeTron> ping
04:23 <Your_mom_arma> im in the ts server
04:46 <ghableska> #night
04:46 <armabot> Good night ghableska!
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07:30 <TiTnAsS> sup
07:30 <DrJoeTron> heya
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07:39 <Lucifer_arma> heh, found the pyqt4 designer :)
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08:07 <Lucifer_arma> man, getting pyqt3 and pyqt4 on the same machine is a real bitch and a half
08:09  * Lucifer_arma considers writing another wxPython-based gui
09:18 <wrtlprnft> http://www.bath.ac.uk/news/articles/releases/overtaking110906.html
09:18  * wrtlprnft is happy to live in a country where car drivers are generally aware of bicycles
09:19 <wrtlprnft> doesn't mean that there isn't the occasional jerk on intersections, but that's usually pretty low–speed and hurts the car more than the cyclist, at least in terms of money :P
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09:33 <Lucifer_arma> hi anjori 
09:36 <anjori> hey
09:37 <anjori> your README asks for Autostart exampls for various WMs. this wiki covers them all: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Autostart_Programs  it's gentoo-centric, but should work on most distros
09:39 <anjori> if you dont want to lift it directly, i could install a numbers of those WMs on my test machine and write it up myself
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> up to you, I read that page actually when I was considering implementing it directly, then got lazy :)
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> um, you might want to download the 0.5.1 I just put on sourceforge if you actually want to use the program, there are even a few more bugfixes from the tarball you downloaded
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> namely, I reduced the timer interval so it doesn't run two threads each at 4% cpu usage on my server :/
09:45 <anjori> different from the 0.5.1 linked in your follow up post?
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I don't want to lift the wiki page directly because it is pretty generic, I'd like something specific to the alarm clock
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, different from the 0.5.1 I linked in that post
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> that was a test, and you were the guinea pig :)
09:46 <anjori> heh
09:46 <anjori> link?
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pyalarm/dsac-0.5.1.tar.gz?download
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't just reduce the timer interval, I made it configurable, but you have to edit ~/.dsac/dsacrc to change it.
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> the box for it in the preferences dialog goes in a panel not yet created, and I didn't want to create that panel yet
09:47 <anjori> oh, so the pref option doesnt actually do anything? i hadn't tried changing it when i ran it.
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> er, which one?  all the ones in the dialog that are enabled should work, except the randomize playlist button
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> that one I didn't implement yet because playlist managers need more thought, and because of the way the playlist is loaded and created, it looks random anyway :)
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> no, I added a new config option for the timer specifically.  There's a "snooze interval" config that works, but the one I'm talking about is number of milliseconds between timer runs
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> It was hardcoded to 200 in 0.5.0 and the tarball you downloaded, and I added a config for it that defaults to 500
09:51 <anjori> ah
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> reduced CPU usage from 4% each in two threads (8% total, I think) to 1.9% peak in one and the other 0.3% normal
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, the threshold for sounding an alarm is 2 seconds, so it would take a lot for the timer to fail to sound an alarm even at the half-second timer interval
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> but should you notice a problem, you can reduce the timer interval to compensate :)
09:52 <anjori> i'll pretend i know what threads are and the significance of 8% to 2% (though, obviously, any time you can cut cpu is a good thing) ;)
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  thread.  Hmmm.  you want your program to do 2 things at once, you have two choices: one is to create a thread.
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> because normally a program only does one thing at a time.  :)  It's like adding a & in a bash script
09:54 <anjori> i see
09:55 <anjori> anjori@1[dsac-0.5.1]$ ./configure
09:55 <anjori> configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in "." "./.." "./../.."
09:55 <anjori> on the new tarball
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> that explains something, heh
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pyalarm/dsac-0.5.1a.tar.gz?download
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> if that one doesn't work I'm gonna scream
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> of course, the program is pretty much brand new, so rough edges should be expected this early in development.  :)
10:02 <anjori> success!
10:02 <anjori> yes. i'm not expecting a polished, bug-free app, or anything
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> heh, well, the snooze bug bit me this morning.  :/
10:03  * Lucifer_arma reminds himself to test more thoroughly before changing the version on his server
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> you know, the problem with this particular program is that when there's a bug that breaks its basic function, it fucks you for the day
10:04 <anjori> well, even if you could guarantee that it was 100% stable and bug free, i still wouldn't rely on purely software to wake me up. i'd have a backup, regular alarm
10:04 <anjori> i don't trust my computer /that/ much.
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> smart.  :)  I would too if those damn things worked on me.
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> you kinda get used to it, though.  Besides pyAlarm, I've used 2 other software alarms and have been using computers for my alarm clock for something like 5 or 6 years now
10:05 <anjori> heh. i've been known to get up and turn off the damn thing while not exactly conscious, then go back to sleep, not realizing it ever went off.
10:06 <anjori> which actually leads me to a question i had based on your readme
10:06 <anjori> "There's a third button that's disabled for now that contains a happy face with a blindfold.  When finally enabled, that button will be enabled and will mean "I'm going to bed"."
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> I probably do tht twice a week.  I'm still working out how it should look, but I want some way the user has to confirm that he woke up.
10:06 <anjori> what exactly will that option do?
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> and if he doesn't confirm, the thing will go off again.
10:06 <Lucifer_arma> That option is mostly for tracking sleeping habits.
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> The first thing it'll do is make a sleep log entry that says "I went to bed"
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> later on there'll be a report that says stuff like "Average number of hours asleep", with a nice graph that shows this over time
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> the second thing it'll do is plug into a white noise generator with config options to match, where the white noise generator will be an external app
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> so you could use mplayer (my sister uses a dvd player for that task), or a real white noise generator
10:08 <anjori> when i initially read about this on your site, the idea of you having to confirm you're actually up appealed to me
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> and then at some point there'll be an optional central server for collecting these statistics from users.  I think the information would be very handy and helpful for people to have.
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> my original plan with confirming having woken up wasn't completely workable, and the code in pyalarm was nasty enough that it was impractical, hence the rewrite
10:09 <anjori> is similar to this article i read about an actual clock that you would have to get up and engage by solving som sort of puzzle to prove you were awake before it turned off
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I figured out 3 ways to fool the system while being half asleep, so I'm still thinking about it
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> now there's an idea
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> make it something more than just a click
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> a minor part of the spec is it has to allow for someone else to do it, though.  I might wake up after 5 snoozes and rush out the door, my wife needs to be able to go in and say "he woke up and left"
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> the sleep log that's there now has snoozes, alarm sound, and I'm awake messages in it.  It's pretty basic, but if you wanted to fool with your leet shell skills you might try to generate a report from it
10:11  * Lucifer_arma added the sleep log :)
10:11 <anjori> that's another good point. i was actually thinking about a similar scenario if i had to rush out and the bloody thing kept going off or what have you
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, I want the thing to be relentless and to keep trying to wake me up as long as I'm asleep.  That's an 8-hour ordeal sometimes!  So a timeout doesn't quite fit,
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> although the system will probably have one so other people can set it up.
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> but I'll disable it.  :)
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> at some point the program is going to have to trust me, though, and I"m going to have to trust myself not to trick it.
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> I *want* accurate reports!  ;)
10:15 <anjori> i'll install various WMs and try and write up some dsac-specific instructions for autostart. though that's not going to happen tonight as i've been drinking
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> ok.  Thanks you!  :)
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> *Thank
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> probably the best place to put them is in a comment on my website on this page:
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/node/39
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> I'll get a notification of course and snatch it to put in the readme as soon as it's there, in the meantime it'll be on the website for others to use
10:20 <anjori> all right
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if you're wanting to contribute a lot of stuff, I can give you svn access too :)
10:21 <anjori> the mention of your site reminded me that i can't wait for the next version of drupal. it looks promising
10:22 <anjori> well, i'll do what i can. but keep in mind that i'm still trying to learn a lot of this stuff myself and most of my knowledge is largely in conceptual understandings.
10:22 <anjori> hell, i still get lost trying to compile something when it doesn't go exactly as expected ;)
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'm loving Drupal these days
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> if Drupal was a woman, I'd french kiss it
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10:35 <anjori> it is sweet, yes. i havent had a site up for awhile, but once i actually have a reason to and hopefully some scripts and stuff to offer, i'd like to relaunch it.
10:36 <anjori> have you read about the next release? it'll finally have an installer.
10:37 <anjori> http://drupal.org/drupal-5.0.0-code-freeze
10:38 <anjori> and if there was ever any doubt about the abilities of drupal for large sites, i think the fact that the MTV UK site now runs on it can attest to its abilities: http://drupal.org/node/81898http://drupal.org/node/81898
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> It has been suggested that red-headed people are descended from Neanderthals. [citation needed
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't been following the next drupal release
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> I usually wait until I go to the drupal site for something and happen to notice a new release, then upgrade when it's most inconvenient :)
10:56 <anjori> i subscribe to way too many rss feeds, drupal being one of them, so i get it when it happens
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13:49 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i dunno if banning IPs forever is a good thing… If they're dynamic you might block out an actual user. Why not define a month or something, if they spam again after that you can assume they're static and ban them forever…
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14:34 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: 
14:47 <spidey> Luke-Jr:
14:57 <Luke-Jr> ...
14:58 <spidey> pm
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15:04 <spidey> gaaaaaaaay
15:05 <Luke-Jr> GodTodd is?
15:05 <spidey> no my power blinked
15:05 <spidey> i was listening to a good song to
15:05 <Luke-Jr> o
15:05 <Luke-Jr> why does power blink hurt that? =p
15:06 <spidey> my stereo and computer turned off?
15:07 <Luke-Jr> oh, right... you BNC
15:08 <spidey> ya
15:08 <Luke-Jr> well, that's why you should use either a laptop or a UPS ;p
15:08 <Luke-Jr> for the PC anyhow
15:08 <spidey> heh
15:08 <spidey> buy me a ups and i'll use a ups
15:08 <spidey> ;x
15:08 <Luke-Jr> they're heavy and expensive :x
15:08 <spidey> exactly :p
15:09 <Luke-Jr> well, expensive for anything decent
15:09 <Luke-Jr> my <$100 one works for like 2-3 min
15:09 <spidey> or i could just find some ones the batteries dead in
15:09 <Luke-Jr> laptops, however, run hours ;p
15:09 <spidey> and replace it with car batteries
15:09 <Luke-Jr> maybe
15:09 <spidey> then it'll run hours :p
15:09 <Luke-Jr> that'd be a pretty nice UPS to take car batteries =p
15:09 <spidey> not really
15:09 <Luke-Jr> but car batteries aren't meant to be run down ever
15:10 <spidey> deep cycle marine batteries run nice on a ups
15:10 <Luke-Jr> indeed
15:10 <spidey> just a few changes to the ups and it's good to go
15:10 <spidey> :p
15:30 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r6183 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/ (index.php resource-browser/.htaccess): forgot to commit this a while ago
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16:30 <arctanx> mm don't draw heavy loads from deep cycle if you can help it
16:30 <arctanx> doesn't work so well
16:49 <spidey> meh
16:49 <spidey> i get to go see if i'm still enrolled in homeschool
16:49 <spidey> :p
16:54 <DrJoeTron> pft
17:03 <spidey> ?
17:03 <spidey> don't pft me
17:04 <spidey> if i'm not <almost 2months since i been> i'ma have to goto public school till i get my ged
17:04 <spidey> which i don't like public school, i get suspended to much.
17:12 <luke-jr_work> why?
17:12 <luke-jr_work> just take the dumb test
17:23 <spidey> ...
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18:07 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i suggest you add a reason to when you wake me?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> this way I have to wait for you to state it
18:07 <wrtlprnft> otherwise i could have already answered
18:10 <wrtlprnft> …
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18:35 <wrtlprnft> http://qa-dev.w3.org/unicorn/
18:36 <wrtlprnft> >Note: You need to enable Javascript to be able to check documents.
18:36 <wrtlprnft> now these guys are talking about accessible webdesign?
18:36 <wrtlprnft> it's just a preview, i hope it doesn't stay this way…
18:47 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6184 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/index.php:
18:47 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed HTML errors (at least as far as I could see them, an unclosed anchor near the beginning causes tons of resulting errors)
18:47 <armabot> armagetronad: Also removed a useless spacer GIF, I hope it isn't forbidden by stupid paypal policies...
18:55 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6185 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/index.php: Fixed more errors that only became visible by fixing the last ones.
19:00 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6186 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/index.php: The last bugs, I hope...
19:03 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6187 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/index.php: O well, a last one: Specified the encoding (now UTF-8, any would do)
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19:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org/~pso/harrypotter.jpg
19:41 <wrtlprnft> o_O
19:41 <wrtlprnft> now someone tell me why the mercam disappeared from the menus…
19:42 <wrtlprnft> i'm totally sure I added them!
19:42 <wrtlprnft> especially as the strings for it are in the language files...
19:45 <wrtlprnft> wtf
19:45 <wrtlprnft> the logs say i deleted the stuff again myself…
19:46 <wrtlprnft> must have been an accident while changing something else, but a weird one.
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19:52 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6188 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gMenus.cpp: Readded the menu points concerning the mercam, that was already done on r5786, but for some reason it got deleted in r5843 without a log message (and with a completely different change).
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20:01 <wrtlprnft> hmm, the newest version of dejavu sans mono seems to be corrupt…
20:01 <wrtlprnft> pango prints two errors if I start gvim, which is annoying on the console
20:01  * wrtlprnft waits for deja_vu_ to pop in
20:02  * deja_vu_ pops wrtlprnft's eyeballs :D
20:02 -!- deja_vu_ is now known as deja_vu
20:03 <wrtlprnft> x_X
20:06 <deja_vu> :O
20:06 <deja_vu> oh
20:06 <deja_vu> i'm sorry
20:06  * wrtlprnft stares at deja_vu with empty eyes
20:07 <deja_vu> i've got this spare ball from an old mouse, if you want...
20:07 <wrtlprnft> urgh
20:07  * wrtlprnft doesn't want to remember non–optical mice
20:09 <deja_vu> well.. since i removed your optical capabilities you shouldn't be that picky :P
20:10 <wrtlprnft> i wonder if a mouse ball will bring these back…
20:10  * wrtlprnft rips out deja_vu's eyes and inserts them into the holes in his head
20:10  * wrtlprnft watches deja_vu from a safe distance
20:11 <deja_vu> o.o
20:11 <wrtlprnft> not o.o
20:11 <wrtlprnft> ×.×
20:11 <deja_vu> my eyes are proprietary
20:11 <deja_vu> they won't work with that strange socket of yours
20:12  * deja_vu steals his eyes back :(
20:12 <wrtlprnft> no chance
20:12  * wrtlprnft throws deja_vu's useless eyes into the trash
20:13 <deja_vu> :(
20:13  * deja_vu grows his eyes back
20:13 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:14 <deja_vu> o.O
20:14 <wrtlprnft> that sounds like it hurts
20:14 <deja_vu> it only hurts if the growing doesn't stop in time O.o
20:14 <wrtlprnft> O_O
20:14 <wrtlprnft> ()_()
20:15 <deja_vu> *g*
20:19 <wrtlprnft> ╭──╮  ╭──╮
20:19 <wrtlprnft> ╰──╯  ╰──╯
20:20 <wrtlprnft> *splat* (sound of exploding eyeballs)
20:20 <deja_vu> is that UTF-8?
20:20 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:21 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/irssieyes.png
20:21 <deja_vu> ah :)
20:23 <wrtlprnft> pfft… using an IRC client/font not capable of some simple chars…
20:26 <deja_vu> font
20:26 <deja_vu> and term, maybe O.o
20:26 <wrtlprnft> öäü ← see this?
20:27 <wrtlprnft> öäü <-- see this?
20:27 <wrtlprnft> i'd better not use an UTF-8 arrow for this…
20:27 <deja_vu> no *g*
20:28 <deja_vu> http://himbeere.shacknet.nu/kram/utf-8.jpg
20:32 <wrtlprnft> well, you need to have your terminal set to utf-8
20:33 <deja_vu> i suppose so
20:33 <wrtlprnft> then say /set term_charset utf-8
20:34 <deja_vu> would this brake umlauts in other encodings?
20:35 <wrtlprnft> umm
20:35 <wrtlprnft> can you say one?
20:35 <wrtlprnft> so i can see if it shows up :)
20:35 <wrtlprnft> though i've never seen weird chars since i switched
20:36 <deja_vu> öüßÄä
20:36 <wrtlprnft> appears just fine
20:37 <wrtlprnft> probably irssi detects that this is not valid utf-8 and falls back to latin-1
20:37 <wrtlprnft> can you try an euro sign?
20:37 <deja_vu> don't have one
20:37 <wrtlprnft> you mean, can't enter one?
20:37 <wrtlprnft> then you're using latin-1, not latin-15
20:38 <deja_vu> i'm using us-dvorak + umlauts
20:38 <deja_vu> never felt the need to use the euro-sign
20:39 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:39 <deja_vu> and switching to qwertz produces the general currency symbol instead O.o
20:40 <wrtlprnft> that's usually bound to alt–gr+shift+4
20:41 <deja_vu> hm.. seems to be aterm's fault
20:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> aterm ^^
20:42 <wrtlprnft> x_X
20:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> IMO the best terminal ever
20:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> at least irssi works correctly with it
20:43  * wrtlprnft doesn't see what's wrong with konsole
20:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you need kde for it
20:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> or at least the kdelibs
20:44 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't do bold font for some reason, but oh well
20:44 <deja_vu> konsole is laaarge *g*
20:44 <deja_vu> and it's kde^^
20:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and slooooow
20:44 <wrtlprnft> not that much
20:44 <wrtlprnft> don't notice it being slower than what i can type
20:45 <deja_vu> Package: aterm
20:45 <deja_vu> Installed-Size: 228
20:45 <wrtlprnft> and if you're using kde and have kdelibs and such already loaded it's tiny…
20:45 <deja_vu> Package: konsole
20:45 <deja_vu> Installed-Size: 1906
20:45 <deja_vu> ;)
20:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> almost 10 times the size
20:45 <wrtlprnft> that in KiB?
20:46 <deja_vu> and aterm doesn't need a whole bunch of libs ;)
20:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well... 229B is small and 228MB is a huge fucker terminal :P
20:46 <deja_vu> ^^
20:46 <wrtlprnft> 228BiB?!
20:46 <wrtlprnft> never ever
20:46 <wrtlprnft> *MiB
20:47 <wrtlprnft> and i don't believe even aterm fits into 229B
20:47 <deja_vu> http://packages.debian.org/testing/x11/aterm ;)
20:48 <wrtlprnft> that's KiB
20:49 <deja_vu> yep
20:50 <deja_vu> 116KiB for the binary
20:50 <wrtlprnft> -rwxr-s--x 1 root utmp 126K 2006-09-14 20:49 /usr/bin/aterm
20:50 <wrtlprnft> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4.0K 2006-09-09 20:27 /usr/kde/3.5/bin/konsole
20:50 <deja_vu> shellscript? :P
20:51 <mkzelda> woooo, got a job interview
20:51 <wrtlprnft> file /usr/kde/3.5/bin/konsole
20:51 <wrtlprnft> /usr/kde/3.5/bin/konsole: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped
20:51 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: grats
20:51 <mkzelda> thx, i really need it to work out
20:52 <deja_vu> *g*
20:52 <deja_vu> fascinating
20:53 <deja_vu> seems to be the same for other kde applications
20:55 <wrtlprnft> well, things like konsole and konqueror are mostly containers probably
20:55 <wrtlprnft> the actual funcionality is in a library
20:55 <wrtlprnft> so things like kdevelop can use it
20:56 <mkzelda> http://peak10.com/raleigh/default.asp
20:56 <mkzelda> thats where im applying
20:58  * wrtlprnft is currently browsing: http://himbeere.shacknet.nu/kram/
20:58 <deja_vu> *g*
20:59 <wrtlprnft> bah. that vimrc is almost empty…
21:00 <deja_vu> i'm not sure it's current :P
21:00 <deja_vu> but probably the one i'm using isn't much larger :P
21:01 <wrtlprnft> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9.2K 2006-09-14 20:10 /etc/vim/vimrc
21:01 <deja_vu> :O
21:01 <spidey> fuck
21:02 <deja_vu> 4.0K    .vimrc
21:02 <spidey> i'ma end up hhaving to go back to public school :/
21:02 <spidey> can't start my ged for 2 more months, and i gotta do 5 tests before the end of the month or i get kicked outta gateway :D
21:03 <deja_vu> O.o
21:05 <wrtlprnft> http://himbeere.shacknet.nu/kram/network_speed.png ← what a minor difference…
21:06 <mkzelda> spidey, i took the hard route too
21:06 <spidey> heh
21:06 <deja_vu> :P
21:06 <spidey> not really hard
21:06 <mkzelda> im saying rather than finishing school and getting a job
21:06 <spidey> except if i get a diploma i'll be in school atleast 3 more years
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21:07 <spidey> oh i've got a job if i want one
21:07 <spidey> though it's in new orleans
21:07 <mkzelda> haha, im sure we could all find work there
21:07 <Vanhayes> fema?
21:07 <spidey> ya
21:07 <Vanhayes> ha
21:07 <wrtlprnft> http://himbeere.shacknet.nu/kram/hanoi.png ← and you're beating me straight in number of open windows in opera
21:07  * Vanhayes was joking
21:07 <spidey> my uncle can get me a job with his boss
21:07 <wrtlprnft> though i have them in 10 rows
21:07 <spidey> starts at $100 a day
21:07 <Vanhayes> for how many hours?
21:07 <spidey> dunno
21:08 <mkzelda> 25
21:08 <Vanhayes> that could be 12 hour job then
21:08 <spidey> shit
21:08 <spidey> oh well
21:08 <Vanhayes> #g 100/12
21:08 <spidey> i'm not scared of work, i'm just not the first to jump to it :p
21:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: 100 / 12 = 8.33333333
21:08 <spidey> it's tearing down houses
21:08 <mkzelda> its 25, u can only successfully finish your job on the fall daylight savings time
21:08 <Vanhayes> not bad, but ive found if anyone offers to pay you by the day they work your ass offf
21:08 <spidey> demolition or w/e
21:10 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Norm's Place (11 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag (8 players) || Strawberry Fields (8 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (7 players) || 135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix-- (6 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (6 players) || .Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas|.High-rubber|TiP-Clan.De.ms (5 players) || |AST| Fortress (5 players) || ~"XzL. (1 more message)
21:10 <Vanhayes> #more
21:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: Clan Server (5 players) || ~{Global~Players}~ Clanserver (3 players) || =(S)=Stealth Dogfight Arena (2 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (2 players) || 4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan} (2 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (2 players)
21:11 <Vanhayes> meh ill wait a while before playing then
21:14  * spidey is doing webhosting :o
21:16 <spidey> Vanhayes, warrock?
21:16 <spidey> i'm almost at level 3 =D
21:17 <spidey> i'll have a 3 stripe badge thingy
21:27 <DrJoeTron> do they even give you anything?\
21:33 <Vanhayes> you get monry I think
21:34 <Vanhayes> can rent better weapons
21:34 <Vanhayes> rent meaning they only last for a few days
21:34 <Vanhayes> I think the most is a month
21:36 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: strange
21:37 <wrtlprnft> CTWF appeared again
21:37 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
21:37 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on -=|LøÏ|=-  Lords Of Destruction Sumo Server 20 hours 38 minutes ago.
21:37 <Vanhayes> hmm thats right on now
21:37 <Vanhayes> so it fixed itself?
21:38 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: Norm's Place (10 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (9 players) || |AST| Fortress (9 players) || 135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix-- (8 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag (7 players) || Strawberry Fields (6 players) || ~*Speeders*~ Classic Server (5 players) || .Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas|.High-rubber|TiP-Clan.De.ms (4 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (4 players) || (1 more message)
21:38 <Vanhayes> hmm i think ill play now
21:38 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=User:Self_Destructo&curid=1485&diff=15780&oldid=14309&rcid=14434 ← what could i do with that?
21:38 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: apparently
21:39 <wrtlprnft> someone's editing someone else's userpage with a hidden insult…
21:40 <Vanhayes> is that person's username?
21:40 <wrtlprnft> no
21:40 <wrtlprnft> the IP address
21:40 <wrtlprnft> he/she/it isn't logged in
21:40 <madmax|pt> erm... cant open the wiki
21:40 <Vanhayes> ya wasn't sure if it was their IP or if they had just used that as their name
21:41 <wrtlprnft> I think you can't use an IP as your username
21:41  * wrtlprnft goes try
21:41 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: i can…
21:41 <madmax|pt> o_O
21:42 <Vanhayes> same here
21:42 <Vanhayes> tho I did get "Fatal error: Call to undefined funct:" instead of the navigation on the left side
21:43 <madmax|pt> dunno then
21:43 <madmax|pt> huh, it took long but now it loaded
21:43 <wrtlprnft> >Login error: You have not specified a valid user name
21:43 <wrtlprnft> that's if i try to register ““
21:44 <wrtlprnft> probably users either have to start with a letter or they can't contain dots or both
21:45 <madmax|pt> #armaservers
21:45 <armabot> madmax|pt: Norm's Place (9 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag (8 players) || 135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix-- (7 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (7 players) || ~*Speeders*~ Classic Server (6 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (6 players) || Strawberry Fields (6 players) || =(S)=Stealth Dogfight Arena (5 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (5 players) || The Lobster Cage (3 players) || (1 more message)
21:46 <deja_vu> #lastseen deja_vu
21:46 <armabot> deja_vu: deja_vu has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 58 hours 1 minutes ago.
21:46 <deja_vu> anyone want to join? :P
21:47  * wrtlprnft is tired
21:49 <DrJoeTron> too busy ;looking up the new wii stuff
21:50 <wrtlprnft> <irony>Don't want a PS-III?</irony>
21:53 <DrJoeTron> haha
21:53 <DrJoeTron> well by the looks of it
21:53 <DrJoeTron> wii has a lot of hidden costs
21:56  * madmax|pt wants his equalizer button back
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22:03 <madmax|pt> luke-jr_work, load a fortress map on the low ping test server =P
22:03 <spidey> i just caused 4 of my teammates to die :D
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22:04 <luke-jr_work> madmax|pt: password is 'foob'
22:05 <spidey> i was flying the black hawk, then i saw a fighter chopper and halled ass the other way ,but there was a tower there =(
22:05 <madmax|pt> lol
22:05 <luke-jr_work> madmax|pt: how are pings there?
22:05 <madmax|pt> good...
22:05 <luke-jr_work> how high up on the server list sorted by ping?
22:05 <luke-jr_work> most Eu pings under 100 ms?
22:06 <madmax|pt> top or 2nd
22:06 <madmax|pt> where is the server btw?
22:07 <Vanhayes> nederlans
22:07 <Vanhayes> put a d in there somewhere
22:07 <Vanhayes> spidey: have you bought any other weapons?
22:08 <madmax|pt> it's netherlands :P
22:08 <Vanhayes> heh I know but nederland sounds funnier
22:09 <spidey> Vanhayes, i have
22:09 <spidey> Vanhayes, i buy sniper guns
22:09 <Vanhayes> any good?
22:10 <spidey> the one i got now is
22:10 <spidey> it's fucking awesome
22:10 <spidey> the distance you can see
22:10 <spidey> it'll hit something dead on if you aim right
22:10 <spidey> no matter how far
22:10 <spidey> but if it's moving you gotta shoot infront a little bit.
22:12 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: my ping is around 300…
22:12 <wrtlprnft> on old BF it was <50ms
22:14 <spidey> why not use that VPS z-man did
22:14 <spidey> didn't it run good?
22:34 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: 300 O.O
22:34 <luke-jr_work> spidey: no idea how it ran, no idea where it was, and IIRC it was German-only
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22:50 <spidey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY_CidIS8YM&eurl=
22:50 <spidey> haha
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23:05 <wrtlprnft> aah, i love youtube-dl + mplayer :)
23:06 <wrtlprnft> i've seen worse, really.
23:09 <luke-jr_work> ...
23:09 <luke-jr_work> wrtlprnft: worse pings?
23:13 <wrtlprnft> no
23:13 <wrtlprnft> worse blondes
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:16 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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Log from 2006-09-15:
--- Day changed Fri Sep 15 2006
00:01 <spidey> heh
00:01 <spidey> i love recruiting clan members by personality and not skill =D
00:02 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has joined #Armagetron
00:12 <Vanhayes> hello ghableska 
00:12 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
00:13 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
00:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (14 players) || ~*Speeders*~ Classic Server (9 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (8 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag (7 players) || Capture The Flag Sty (7 players) || 135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix-- (7 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (7 players) || Shrunkland in 2.8.2 (6 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (5 players) || (1 more message)
00:13 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
00:13 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 67 hours 16 minutes ago.
00:13 <Vanhayes> #more
00:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: .Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas|.High-rubber|TiP-Clan.De.ms (4 players) || Norm's Place (4 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (2 players) || Test Low-Ping Euro Armaserver (0 players) || The Lobster Cage (0 players) || armagetron.nixda.net (Original) (0 players)
00:13 <ghableska> hmm
00:13 <ghableska> still not working
00:13 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
00:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 2 hours 9 minutes ago.
00:14 <Vanhayes> heh
00:14 <ghableska> O_o
00:14 <ghableska> huh
00:14 <Vanhayes> when was the last time you played?
00:14 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ica
00:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Lackadaisical has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 24 hours 5 minutes ago.
00:14 <Vanhayes> ha
00:14 <Vanhayes> #lastseen icar
00:14 <armabot> Vanhayes: Icarus has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 24 hours 50 minutes ago.
00:14 <Vanhayes> hmm some servers are still not showing up
00:14 <ghableska> I was on strawberry fields
00:15 <Vanhayes> ya I was on both CTF sty ans CT CTF as icarus about an hour ago
00:16 <ghableska> #lasteen ghableska
00:17 <ghableska> uh
00:17 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
00:17 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska has last been seen on Capture The Flag Sty 67 hours 19 minutes ago.
00:17 <ghableska> hmm
00:17 <ghableska> I'm on there now
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02:10 <ghableska> hi
02:10 <Luke-Jr> hi
02:12 <madmax|pt> hi
02:14 <Luke-Jr> madmax|pt: you set fortress?
02:18 <madmax|pt> kind of
02:18 <madmax|pt> dunno how i left it when i left
02:19 <Luke-Jr> how far down the server list is it when you sort by ping?
02:19 <madmax|pt> top, second...
02:20 <Luke-Jr> hm
02:20 <Luke-Jr> really?
02:20 <madmax|pt> something like that
02:21 <madmax|pt> not always (chaos theory)
02:21 <madmax|pt> but it stays on the topside...
02:22 <Luke-Jr> I'm surprised, a bit
02:22 <Luke-Jr> the US host has lower pings for me and it's usually only top 10ish
02:23 <Luke-Jr> I think
02:23 <madmax|pt> well, that's without players too
02:23 <Luke-Jr> sorted by ping ignores players...
02:24 <madmax|pt> i mean, more players > higher ping ?
02:24 <Luke-Jr> not usually
02:24 <Luke-Jr> unless you run out of bandwidth
02:24 <madmax|pt> hmm
02:24 <madmax|pt> ok 
02:24 <madmax|pt> btw, i loaded some fortress map file but... erm...
02:24 <madmax|pt> zones are off
02:24 <madmax|pt> well, they are there, but don't work
02:25  * Luke-Jr blames ph
02:25 <Luke-Jr> it's trunk
02:25 <madmax|pt> i loaded some included... Z-Man/fortress/whatever
02:25 <madmax|pt> that should work?
02:25 <Luke-Jr> include examples/cvs_test/fortress_complete.cfg
02:25 <Luke-Jr> is what I'd do
02:26 <madmax|pt> oh
02:26  * madmax|pt notes he hasn't configured a server in the past
02:26 <madmax|pt> well, just some minor things
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02:49 <ghableska> hi
02:52 <madmax|pt> good night
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02:57 <spidey> Luke-Jr, ping
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03:00 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_work: ...
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03:15  * spidey bitch slaps todd
03:15  * ghableska pokes spidey
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04:45 <spidey> Luke-Jr, ping
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04:52 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: ...
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_work: ...
04:55 <spidey> Luke-Jr, you might not wanna offer soldat hosting
04:55 <spidey> my win2k3 vps says i've already used a gig of bandwith
04:55 <spidey> lol
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05:25 <spidey> oi
05:25 <groundpig> nk
05:27 <spidey> =)
05:47 <spidey> dude wtf
05:47 <spidey> i think i got banned from the warrock servers
05:51 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:52 <spidey> i was playing right
05:52 <spidey> had 12 kills 7 deaths
05:53 <spidey> i was running around looking for a tank, then everything froze, so then i see 'server terminated your connection' now i can't even sign in =(
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06:26 <Your_mom_arma> #q
06:26 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Quote #3: "um, try spelling it wirght :) -- Lucifer" (added by Lucifer_arma at 06:22 AM, March 27, 2006)
06:36 <Your_mom_arma> master server 4 is giving me a dns error
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06:39 <DrJoeTron> ping
06:39 <Your_mom_arma> pong
06:39 <DrJoeTron> i just watched the best martial arts movie ever
06:40 <DrJoeTron> a man throws an elephant
06:40 <DrJoeTron> 40 people are knee'd
06:40 <DrJoeTron> 40
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07:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm 3, I think
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, dns error would be tank's problem, but he's moving right now
07:04 <Your_mom_arma> tanks master 4?
07:12 <Your_mom_arma> i thought wrtlprnft was 3
07:13 <wrtlprnft> i'm 3
07:14 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you're master 2
07:14 <wrtlprnft> z-man is number 1
07:14 <wrtlprnft> iF is number 4
07:14 <wrtlprnft> i dunno about guru3_ 
07:14 <wrtlprnft> number 5 doesn't exist
07:15 <wrtlprnft> neither does number 0
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07:45 <anjori_> Lucifer_arma?
07:57 <spidey> why would they put a 4th movie into production before the 3rd is done
07:57 <spidey> that seems retarded
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> anjori?
08:06 <Your_mom_arma> Your_mom_arma?
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08:07 <anjori_> tried installing 0.5.1a on this box:
08:07 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i'll give you a dollar to do my homework
08:07 <spidey> +50cents if you get a A+
08:08 <anjori_> configure and make worked, but
08:08 <anjori_> anjori@nesk:~/src/dsac-0.5.1$ ./dsac
08:08 <anjori_> /home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1
08:08 <anjori_> Traceback (most recent call last):
08:08 <anjori_>   File "./dsac", line 76, in ?
08:08 <anjori_>     app = mainqt.dsacApp(sys.argv)
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsacgui/mainqt.py", line 55, in __init__
08:08 <anjori_>     self.mainwin = MainFrame(None)
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsacgui/mainqt.py", line 109, in __init__
08:08 <anjori_>     self.tray = SystrayIcon(pm, self)
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsacgui/systemtray.py", line 73, in __init__
08:08 <anjori_>     iscreen = XScreenNumberOfScreen(XDefaultScreenOfDisplay(dpy))
08:08 <anjori_> ctypes.ArgumentError: argument 1: exceptions.TypeError: wrong type
08:08 <anjori_> Exception in thread DSAC timer thread:
08:08 <anjori_> Traceback (most recent call last):
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/threading.py", line 442, in __bootstrap
08:08 <anjori_>     self.run()
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> ?  that's crazy
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsac/dsTimer.py", line 51, in run
08:08 <anjori_>     self.Notify()
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsac/dsTimer.py", line 72, in Notify
08:08 <anjori_>     self._notify_object.Timer(now)
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 183, in Timer
08:08 <anjori_>     a.ExecuteIfTimeArg(now)
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 61, in ExecuteIfTimeArg
08:08 <anjori_>     self.Execute(arg)
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 57, in Execute
08:08 <anjori_>     self.callback(arg)
08:08 <anjori_>   File "/home/anjori/src/dsac-0.5.1/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 220, in AlarmComputation
08:08 <anjori_>     self.TimeSignal(timeNowString, "No Alarms Left!")
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> #g 45/1.50
08:08 <anjori_> NameError: global name 'timeNowString' is not defined
08:08 <anjori_>                                                                     
08:08 <anjori_> why it worked on the other machine but not this, i dont know
08:08 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 45 / 1.50 = 30
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> Spidey: you just bought yourself 30 seconds, I think
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> umm, gonna have to talk about this in a bit
08:09 <anjori_> no problem
08:09 <spidey> lol
08:09 <spidey> it's only 90 pages of science
08:09 <spidey> =p
08:10 <spidey> 90 pages of science and 4 pages of history 
08:10 <spidey> s/4/40
08:11 <spidey> gotta have done by the end of the month O.o
08:12 <spidey> i don't see how i downloaded movies on dialup
08:13 <spidey> it must have taken me 2 days a movie
08:13 <spidey> atleast
08:13 <spidey> 36hours to download 717mb at 4kb/s
08:14 <spidey> #night
08:14 <armabot> Good night spidey!
08:15 <spidey> actually wait
08:15 <spidey> deja_vu_, deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ deja_vu_ 
08:15 <spidey> ok now #night
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08:49 <Lucifer_arma> ok back
08:50 <anjori> will freenode get pissy if i have to nicks signed on from the same ip?
08:50 <anjori> *two
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> aha, yu're back
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> what system is it on?
09:23 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: ^^^^
09:24 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: to answer your question, no they won't, I do it every day
09:24 <anjori> okay. i got disconnected from bother when i did it earlier, so i was wondering. probably just a fluke
09:24 <anjori> it's on kubuntu 6.06. am going to go get on that machine
09:24 <anjori> *from both
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09:26 <anjori_> meep meep
09:26 <Lucifer_arma> ok, what version of python, ctypes, and x.org?
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> if you just go to a terminal and type "python", you'll get a python session and the first output tells you the python version
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> then do this:
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> >>> import ctypes
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> >>> ctypes.__version__
09:28 <anjori_> python 2.4.3  ctypes 0.9.8
09:29 <anjori_> xorg 7.0.0
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09:31 <Lucifer_arma> any idea what version of ctypes and xorg on the other machine?
09:33 <anjori> 2.3.5  ctypes   xorg 6.8.2
09:36 <Lucifer_arma> why would this new kubuntu have an older version of ctypes than your mepis box?
09:37 <anjori_> cause the ubuntu repos are static for the 6-month release cycle.  mepis uses debian testing, which is constantly updated and i just installed ctypes on mepis yesterday when you mentioned it
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> I'm inclined to blame ctypes.  :(
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> here's what's happening:
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> while trying to create the systray icon in the main program thread, it fails with the first exception (type error to a function called via ctypes)
09:39 <Lucifer_arma> that causes initialization to stop because the main program thread threw an exception
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> the timer's already started though, so it keeps running thinking nothing bad has happened
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> when it calls stuff in the first thread that's supposed to be setup, it throws an exception.  So the second exception is caused directly by the first.
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> how badly do you need a systray icon?
09:41  * Lucifer_arma notes that getting a systray icon was one of his primary goals with this rewrite :/
09:42 <anjori_> well, on here, it's not that big of a deal. i was just trying to install it so i could test out autostart methods
09:42 <anjori_> (i'm running gnome right now)
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhhhh
09:44 <anjori_> can ctypes be compiled easily? i could also try upgrading it that way.  i also have dapper-backports enabled, but i take it that's not considered a package of priority.
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I installed it from gentoo's repository
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> and it's going to be standard in python 2.5, so whenever python 2.5 hits mainstream distributions, the question magically goes away
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, not completely.  otoh, the guy that made it makes good python extensions, so it shouldn't be too tricky
09:45 <Lucifer_arma> let me see if I can google up a package for you, though
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/edgy/python/python-ctypes
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> looks like it depends on python 2.5
09:46 <Lucifer_arma> odd, that
09:47 <anjori_> shitty deal
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's only for edgy, which I guess is the one that comes after dapper
09:47 <anjori_> yep
09:48 <anjori_> december, i think
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> http://packages.debian.org/testing/python/python-ctypes   <--- debian's package
09:49  * Lucifer_arma wonders if debian's package would work
09:49 <anjori_> if it'll work with python 2.4.3
09:50 <anjori_> i guess there's only one way to find out..
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=71702&package_id=71318&release_id=437070  <--- the source distribution if that fails
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> ok, there's definitely some c code, but there's no way python would be taking it into their standard distribution if it had serious compile problems
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> reading changelogs for ctypes it looks like there was significant rewriting that happened between the version you have and the one that came next
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> and the rewriting just happens to impact the function call that's failling here
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> all signs point at ctypes, heh
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> and here I thought that would be easier to deal with than python-xlib
09:54 <anjori_> anjori@nesk:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -i python-ctypes_0.9.9.6-1_i386.deb
09:54 <anjori_> Password:
09:54 <anjori_> dpkg: considering removing python2.4-ctypes in favour of python-ctypes ...
09:54 <anjori_> dpkg: yes, will remove python2.4-ctypes in favour of python-ctypes.
09:54 <anjori_> (Reading database ... 109153 files and directories currently installed.)
09:54 <anjori_> Preparing to replace python-ctypes 0.9.6+cvs20051031-1 (using python-ctypes_0.9.9.6-1_i386.deb) ...
09:54 <anjori_> Unpacking replacement python-ctypes ...
09:54 <anjori_> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of python-ctypes:
09:54 <anjori_>  python-ctypes depends on python-central (>= 0.5); however:
09:54 <anjori_>   Package python-central is not installed.
09:54 <anjori_> dpkg: error processing python-ctypes (--install):
09:54 <anjori_>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
09:54 <anjori_> Errors were encountered while processing:
09:54 <anjori_>  python-ctypes
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> that's gonne be some weird thing about how debian organizes its packages vs how ubuntu organizes them
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> to install from source you're going to need -dev packages for xlib and python
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> probably no other packages
09:55 <anjori_> should i install python-central and try again? or maybe try to force an install?
09:55 <Lucifer_arma> or you can try to override the dependency check
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, you know you've got the dependencies satisfied, it's only a question of whether or not it was built with the right compiler, and since it's all c code, you shouldn't run into that problem relaly
09:57 <anjori_> and that the newer version requires a new dependancy in python-central
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> python-central is probably a superfluous dependency, but I could be wrong.  I just can't see an extension module needing something like that.
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> you could try from source.  :)
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> it's the 1.0.0 version
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> you probably don't even need the xlib-dev package, now that I think about it, just the python-devl package
09:59 <anjori_> avoid source at all costs :P  but if force doesn't work, ill try that
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> ko
10:01 <anjori_> hmm, i'm not seeing a flag to skip dependancy checking in dpkg. i just realized it was apt-get that had that
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10:04 <Lucifer_arma> --force-things | --no-force-things | --refuse-things
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> er
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10:05 <anjori_> meh. i got disconnected on both names again
10:05 <Lucifer_arma> either --force-depends or --refuse-depends
10:06  * Lucifer_arma wants to know why "dpkg manpage" on google doesn't bring the manpage as the first search result
10:07 <anjori_> do a google search for "search"
10:07  * Lucifer_arma is loving the conversation on holing
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> haha
10:07 <anjori_> heh
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> why do these holing conversations always boil down to "you're not playing fair, na na na" and "you suck if you can't deal with holes"?
10:09 <anjori_> i had actually avoided that thread when it was initially created as there will never be any consensus and people just don't get it
10:09 <anjori_> no sense wasting my breath
10:09 <anjori_> but i got sucked in anyway
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  when people whine I just feel like beating them over the head with a pointy stick
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> a high school kid that's getting dual credit in my calc class whined that the sub gave too much homework
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> then he got pissed when I said "wa wa, too much homework, wa wa"
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> he started talking to somebody else before he got to hear my "just do however much homework you need, teachers here grade on weight anyway"
10:11 <anjori_> i'd probably be whining too if i tried to wrap my head around calc :P
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> awww, it's not that hard.  You just need good visualization skills.
10:12 <anjori_> i'm generally good with language and writing, but have never had that math gene
10:12 <deja_vu_> spidey: 
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10:13 <Lucifer_arma> well, you know, I try to look at shit from other people's points of view, I'm just gonna have to say I think I'm incapable of seeing it
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> you know, my brain just isn't wired for me to imagine a world where math is terribly difficult.  Agree to disagree, that sort of thing.  ;)
10:14 <anjori_> touche.
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> now, learning math at the pace they feed it to you in college *is* hard
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> you know, I flunked algebra the first 2 times I took it
10:16 <anjori_> you?
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> I just didn't get it
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> yep
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> 7th grade, then again in 9th grade
10:17 <anjori_> oh, shit. now it wont let me remove the broken ctypes
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> took the remedial version of algebra II, refusing to retake algebra 1.  Teacher turned me around, showed me how easy it really was.
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> the one you forced is broken?
10:17 <anjori_> yep
10:17 <anjori_> and i cant get rid of it
10:18 <anjori_> E: python-ctypes: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> heh
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/python/python2.4-ctypes  <-- link to package you had before
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> you could try forcing that one, and if it works, try removing it then
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> if you don't want to try all tht and are willing to just let it be broken for now, building ffrom source should just overwrite the installed version
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> a trick I learned awhile back that seems to apply to every distribution provided they don't rearrange the package is to install the distribution's package,
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10:20 <Lucifer_arma> then build the program's source distribution
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> er, how much of that did you get?
10:20 <anjori_> iE: /var/cache/apt/archives/python-ctypes_0.9.6+cvs20051031-1_all.deb: there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up
10:20 <anjori_> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/python2.4-ctypes_0.9.6+cvs20051031-1_i386.deb: conflicting packages - not installing python2.4-ctypes
10:21 <anjori_> after trying the force version option in synaptic as a downgrade to ubuntu's version
10:21 <Lucifer_arma> --refuse-conflicts
10:21 <anjori_> and i got all of that. that was my other computer finally reconnecting. though i think i'm gonna disconnect it for now, otherwise i seem to keep getting disconnected on both
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10:22 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, if you do the trick I mentioned, you wind up with the exact version you want, and it's still managed by the distribution's package management app :)
10:23 <anjori_> ah, i didnt know ubuntu has a web frontend for their repos. let's see if it works
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> it is preferable to get the source package for a newer version and try building it, but that's usually more work
10:26 <anjori_> anjori@nesk:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -i --refuse-conflicts python2.4-ctypes_0.9.6+cvs20051031-1_i386.deb
10:26 <anjori_> Password:
10:26 <anjori_> dpkg: regarding python2.4-ctypes_0.9.6+cvs20051031-1_i386.deb containing python2.4-ctypes:
10:26 <anjori_>  python-ctypes conflicts with python2.4-ctypes
10:26 <anjori_>   python2.4-ctypes (version 0.9.6+cvs20051031-1) is to be installed.
10:26 <anjori_> dpkg: error processing python2.4-ctypes_0.9.6+cvs20051031-1_i386.deb (--install):
10:26 <anjori_>  conflicting packages - not installing python2.4-ctypes
10:26 <anjori_> Errors were encountered while processing:
10:26 <anjori_>  python2.4-ctypes_0.9.6+cvs20051031-1_i386.deb
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> try --force-conflicts
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> the manpage isn't very clear on which one does what, they expect you to have esp
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> Guy:   I may be dating a black girl  <--- what, he's not sure he's dating her?  heh
10:30 <anjori_> python 2.4-ctypes is installed again, but synaptic still says i have a broken package on my system, being python-ctypes. i think it got fucked when debian's actual package was there, whereas i believe ubuntu also had python-ctypes but it was a metapackage for the version of ctypes that conforms with the version of python i have installed
10:31 <anjori_> if my explanation of that didn't completely suck
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's fine, I'm trying to figure out ramifications if any
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> all's I'm coming up with is that the only problem you might have is if you install a package that depends on ctypes
10:32 <anjori_> and a nag every time i run synaptic :P
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> there's a way to fix it, but I don't have any idea what it is
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> I just remember doing it once and being happy with it
10:34 <anjori_> so, that's why they say it's not a good idea to mix packages from various debian distros
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, when I was running kubuntu people kept telling me to hook it up to debian's repo
10:35 <anjori_> oh, god no. bad idea
10:35 <anjori_> generally, it's okay, but you can run into problems
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> apparently so.  I never actually did it, I only ran into problems when I did stupid shit with kubuntu packages
10:36 <anjori_> simply on naming conventions, as seen tonight. ubuntu uses different meta packages and such
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> sooo, build from source now?
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=71702&package_id=71318&release_id=437070  <--- the source distribution if that fails
10:37 <anjori_> yeah. that stuck package is just annoying me
10:37 <anjori_> wait, source distribution if building from source fails?
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> no, I just hit up-arrow to find the link
10:38 <anjori_> ah
10:38 <anjori_> yeah, i saved that earlier. but thanks
10:39 <anjori_> no configure script?
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> here's what you do:
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> python setup.py build
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> sudo python setup.py install
10:40 <anjori_> it ran without nagging me for any python-dev files or anything. i wonder if i already have it installed
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> well, you should have seen gcc run
10:41 <Lucifer_arma> did you?
10:42 <anjori_> i guess...? heh
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> you'd see lines like "gcc -o asdf.o -c -f --winstall -wall " etc
10:44 <anjori_> gcc -pthread and such
10:44 <anjori_> anyway, yeah, i do have python-2.4-dev installed
10:45 <anjori_> >>> ctypes.__version__
10:45 <anjori_> '1.0.0'
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> yay, now try the alarm clock again and cross your fingers :)
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> because, you know, I could have been wrong to blame ctypes
10:46 <anjori_> knowing that i cant get rid of the broken python-ctypes package will forever annoy me, though, until fixed
10:47 <anjori_> should i have removed python2.4-ctypes before building the newer one?
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> can't see that it matters much.  Just remember that if you remove it you'll need to rebuild from source
10:48 <anjori_> heh. i hit apply to do so before reading that
10:49 <anjori_> oh well, at least it was easy and fast to build
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> haha
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> I looked through the source tarball and it's a pretty small module
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> all it does is bridge python and any arbitrary c library
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> pretty neat, really
10:49 <anjori_> it doesnt matter, anyway. wont let me remove that package eitehr :-/
10:51 <anjori_> well, your alarm clock runs at least
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> yay!
10:51 <anjori_> does that affect releasing it before python 2.5 is out?
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't believe it was possible, but now I know someone who spells worse than spidey
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, it means I'll put up a warning that the minimum version of ctypes known to work is or whatever it is I have here
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> 0.9.6 is known not to work, etc.
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> we're talking about a program that's versioned 0.5.1, people should expect some, err, sticky stuff at this point
10:53 <anjori_> yay. my frustrations turned into something semi-positive, at least.
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> but it will encourage me to get cx_Freeze working to build a binary release that doesn't depend on python
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, one of the hardest parts of software development is figuring out minimum versions of stuff
10:53 <Lucifer_arma> now I know that python 2.3 works, which is good, and the stuff about ctypes.  This is more than I knew about it before :)
10:54 <anjori_> mentioning cx_Freeze: are you referring to the concept of frozen binaries?
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  I think.  What's a frozen binary?  heh.
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> it's basically a program that wraps your python program into a self-executing binary
10:55 <anjori_> that's one of the first things that book mentioned could be done. hold on.
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> so the distribution of that program only depends on glibc when it's all said and done
10:55 <anjori_> yeah, it wraps the interpreting with it so you dont need to install separately
10:55 <anjori_> *interpreter
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  I built a test, but it failed to load its own libraries
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> when I'm ready with a windows version I'll use py2exe to do the same thing there
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> and then there's py2app for mac os x
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> man, some people are just fucked up
11:00 <anjori_> what now?
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> my buddy was formerly married to this woman that would literally beat him up.  I mean, I hd to pry her off of him!
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> but he was a sucker and wouldn't leave her
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> so she finally left him, after they finally managed to have 2 kids.  Now she's taking him to court over his "anger problem".
11:01 <anjori_> and of course she'll win.
11:01 <Lucifer_arma> He's like the most laid back kindest mutherfucker you'll ever meet.  I've *seen* him give some stranger the shirt off his back because it was cold out and the guy was homeless!
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> if she wins it'll only be because she married a guy that could afford a better lawyer than my buddy could get.
11:02 <Lucifer_arma> there are police reports that show that she was beating up on him...
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> hell, I'll go in there and tell them what I've seen
11:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm an eyewitness to some of this so-called anger problem
11:09 <anjori_> dsac seems to require a working directory, am i correct? and would that effect autostarting? (i.e. i couldnt just create a sym link to the binary)
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> shouldn't matter, it uses the complete path given to it by the shell to find itself
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> and, er, maybe I need to normalize it
11:10 <anjori_> also, have you verified that placing a sym link in .Autostart works for kde? a post i read mentioned creating a .desktop in the autostart directory, which would also allow me to specify a working directory for the app
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> yes, creating a symlink works, tried it on my server with my wife's account
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> had to create a shell script for my account because my home directory is synced from laptop->server
11:13 <anjori_> yeah, i read that int he readme, but dont quite understand it. what does creating a sh script do? if the app is installed to /usr/local, you'd still need a copy on each machine
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> it allows me to install it to anywhere in my path
11:14 <Lucifer_arma> if I ran different distributions, that could matter
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> it's mainly because I trust the sync program to sync text files more than I trust it to sync symlinks.  What if it instead synced the file that was linked instead of the link itself?
11:15 <anjori_> so the only purpose is that it solves not hardcoding the path in the event that it were installed different places? 
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, svn finds the real path now, so if the symlink is a problem now it should go away
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> in the long run I want it to use a .desktop file, though
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> heh, last night I rearranged the code so I can start working on a pyqt4 gui, but now I'm half considering writing an ncurses gui instead
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, no, that's only part of the purpose.  The main thing is how much I trust my sync program (I use unison)
11:21 <anjori_> yeah, i read that after i asked
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> ok, one more feature to add to the "I'm going to bed" button: immediately turn on the screensaver
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> I wonder if I can trigger the power-down on the monitor
11:22 <anjori_> what would be the difficulty in creating a .desktop file instead of symlinks now? and do all WMs recognize it, or just kde?
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> better check freedesktop.org for that information, mostly
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> the file itself is pretty straightforward, and for menu items both gnome and kde understand it
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> some of the others don't, though.
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> you can grab one of the old releases of pyalarm to get a desktop file that's already mostly setup, I think
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> basically, for kde, it works like this:
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> the .desktop file goes in a place where both gnome and kde are supposed to read it to generate their menus
11:25 <anjori_> i've looked at them before, just dont know all there is to know
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> it contains a flag in it to enable/disable it for either of them
11:25 <anjori_> do .desktop files for menu entries and something like autostart differ?
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> if you want to autostart in kde, you copy that file from there into the autostart directory and it should just work
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> if you need special startup parameters that differ from clicking on the menu entry, you need a special file for autostart purposes
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> so the information you want is whether or not GNOME will let you use a .desktop file for autostart purposes, and if so, how?
11:27 <anjori_> ah, okay
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> now, for generating menus there are additional difficulties.  While GNOME and KDE are supposed to read the driectory, some distrbutions disable it so they can keep generating menus the old way
11:27 <Lucifer_arma> the old way is basically "every distribution does something different and it's a fucking pain"
11:27 <anjori_> yeah. even debian has it's own "menu" pacakge which will generate it's own, messy, menus
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> I intend to support the freedesktop.org spec and if someone wants to make a distro-specific package they can :)
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> but for autostart purposes, distributions leave that alone, so there's no reason I can't add code to deal with it for at least KDE and GNOME
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> I do need to rearrange how shit gets setup, though.  On my laptop the systray icon is being created before the systray itself exists, so it's not getting place right.  :/
11:30 <Lucifer_arma> arma at least partially supports the freedesktop.org spec, so on some kind distributions if you isntall it from source you get a menu item.  It's pretty neat.
11:30  * Lucifer_arma put that little bugger into arma :)
11:31 <anjori_> well, for the readme, i was thinking either a) if the majority of WMs will read them, create a .desktop and tell where to place it for the specific WM. or b) the previous plan of just telling where to create a symlink to the binary
11:31 <Lucifer_arma> well, I don't know what others do.  I don't know how gnome does it under the hood, I only know what was on that wiki page you linked, which says there's a nice gui for it
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> the wiki page seemed to indicate that other wms differ drastically in how they handle it
11:32 <anjori_> i've read about and looked at desktop entries before, and what menu categories exist that an app can be placed into on gnome and kde. ive just seen .desktops used for different purposes, so i wasnt sure
11:32 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, the wiki page didn't go into how any wm actually does it.  I don't think it mentioned using the .desktop file for KDE at all, but I could just be misremembering
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> here's yet another use.  Find ~/Desktop and put a .desktop file in there :)
11:33 <Lucifer_arma> you get an icon on your desktop (if you haven't disabled them, like I have)
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> they're a generic object that describes an application and how to start it and represent it on the desktop in any location.  By itself a .desktop file doesn't mean much,
11:34 <Lucifer_arma> it needs two pieces of information.  What's in the file, and where the file itself is located.  Those two determine what it does at any given point in time.
11:35 <Lucifer_arma> at least, that's what I've concluded.  It's not like there's any canonical guide to desktop files.  :/
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11:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'll tell you what, though.  I prefer these .desktop files and their confusion over the windows registry.
11:36 <anjori_> we need more consistency among desktops for continued adoption
11:36 <Lucifer_arma> can you just imagine thousands of GNOME developers swallowing their pride and dopting the .desktop file that was invented by KDE?  :)
11:37 <anjori_> heh. not a chance
11:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, they did it!  ;)  Give 'em some credit, man....
11:37 <anjori_> though i remember reading somethign about them trying to use common libraries to make things easier for developers
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> they're working on it.  I think we application developers need to help, though.  THis whole "I use KDE so that's all I support" business has to stop.
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's fine if you use KDE's apis too, but if you don't?  Support more!
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> it's not that hard, really.  It's tedious, so people don't want to do it, but like for arma we've got no good reason not to other than most arma developers that use linux use kde,
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> so we don't have any actual coders that use gnome
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> I will gladly get some other wm's installed so I can test in them, I just don't want to get knocked off-task for the windows version by it,
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> because I consider a windows version more important right now in my own set of priorities
11:40 <anjori_> well, if you're shooting for a larger audience, yeah
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> because a part of my needs for this program involves the fact that the target user is more than likely a windows user anyway :)
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd like to get a set of python modules that abstract some of the desktops in linux and include in that abstraction windows (and hopefully mac eventually)
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a little disappointed that the pyqt4 gui I've started doesn't load my kde theme.  :(  That means pyqt3 will be the default gui for linux :)
11:43 <Lucifer_arma> freedesktop.org offers a python module that gives a lot of useful things, but it doesn't give the things I need.  :(
11:43 <anjori_> when launching the app from a shell and then clicking on the app's window, it produces this:
11:43 <anjori_> anjori@nesk:~$ dsac
11:43 <anjori_> /usr/local/bin
11:43 <anjori_> Exception in thread DSAC timer thread:
11:43 <anjori_> Traceback (most recent call last):
11:43 <anjori_>   File "/usr/lib/python2.4/threading.py", line 442, in __bootstrap
11:43 <anjori_>     self.run()
11:43 <anjori_>   File "/usr/local/lib/libdsac/dsTimer.py", line 51, in run
11:43 <anjori_>     self.Notify()
11:43 <anjori_>   File "/usr/local/lib/libdsac/dsTimer.py", line 72, in Notify
11:43 <anjori_>     self._notify_object.Timer(now)
11:43 <anjori_>   File "/usr/local/lib/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 183, in Timer
11:43 <anjori_>     a.ExecuteIfTimeArg(now)
11:43 <anjori_>   File "/usr/local/lib/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 61, in ExecuteIfTimeArg
11:43 <anjori_>     self.Execute(arg)
11:43 <anjori_>   File "/usr/local/lib/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 57, in Execute
11:43 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: wiki down…
11:43 <anjori_>     self.callback(arg)
11:43 <anjori_>   File "/usr/local/lib/libdsac/dsMain.py", line 220, in AlarmComputation
11:44 <anjori_>     self.TimeSignal(timeNowString, "No Alarms Left!")
11:44 <anjori_> NameError: global name 'timeNowString' is not defined
11:44 <Lucifer_arma> up now
11:44 <wrtlprnft> ty
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> np
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> I think it was a broken cronjob
11:45 <Lucifer_arma> that's weird
11:46 <Lucifer_arma> how fast is your processor and stuff?
11:47 <anjori_> it's a dated athlon 1333
11:47 <Lucifer_arma> did you change the timer interval setting at all?
11:48 <anjori_> that's another thing i should learn about. ive always been into software and interested in writing it and all that, but i've avoided learning much at all about the hardware side.
11:48 <anjori_> nope. running on a default install. nothing changed
11:49 <Lucifer_arma> create an alarm, then close and restart
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> did you grab the svn trunk by any chance?  Or re you still running 0.5.1?
11:51 <anjori_> no output that time (after creating an alarm)
11:51 <anjori_> 0.5.1
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> that time you get a timer complete with the current time in the status bar?
11:52 <anjori_> mm, it came back as soon as i deleted the alarm. before restarting it
11:52 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, looks like I borked it.  heh
11:55 <anjori_> also, if i create or delete an alarm and then try closing the app by clicking the X, the shell hangs and changes aren't saved.  only when i go file -> exit does it close properly and save changes.
11:55 <Lucifer_arma> here's what you do to fix it, I'm committing a fix to 0.5.1 right now, but since nobody's downloaded it besides you, I won't worry about it and I"ll try to get a fix posted in the next few days
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> that's by design, it behaves like a systray app
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> right-click on the systray icon and pick "quit"
11:56 <anjori_> oh, duh. i'm a moron.
11:56 <anjori_> i'm on gnome, and the sys tray bar is at the top so i didnt even realize it was still open like i would on kde
11:56 <Lucifer_arma> :)
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> here's the fix:
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> make line 220 in dsMain.py read like this:  (it's in libdsac)
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> self.TimeSignal(now.strftime("	:%M: %p"), "No Alarms Left!")
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> er
11:57 <Lucifer_arma> hopefully your irc client didn't just mangle that
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> now.strftime(stuff that gets mangled)  <-- replace timeNowString with this, but copy it from line 218
12:01 <anjori_> yep, xchat did. :%M: [then a box with 0013 in it] %p
12:06 <anjori_> so just duplicate line 218, then?
12:06 <Lucifer_arma> no, just that one part.  Line 220 is what it does if there aren't any alarms found at all, which is what happens when there aren't any created
12:10 <anjori_> i'm missing something. replacing the contents in parenthesis on line 220 with that on 118 would make the lines the same
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> only the part that says "now.strftime( )".  not the part after the comma
12:17 <Lucifer_arma> sorry for the pause there, I found an autostart spec on freedesktop.org's site
12:18 <anjori_> so, it'll be the same up until "No Alarms Left!", right?
12:18 <Lucifer_arma> right
12:19 <anjori_> i assume i have to recompile now?
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12:22 <Lucifer_arma> nah, just run it
12:22 <Lucifer_arma> python automatically recompiles itself :)
12:23 <anjori_> heh, already did. but it works now
12:23 <Lucifer_arma> you only have to do "make" again after you change configure or change one of the designer/*.ui files
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> http://standards.freedesktop.org/autostart-spec/autostart-spec-0.5.html
12:24 <anjori_> oh. i didnt realize dsMain.py was installed outside of the directory i initially built it in. so i altered the one in my home directory and recompiled it and did make install to change the /usr/local
12:26 <Lucifer_arma> heh, hmmmm
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> ok, looks like what you really want to do right now is find out if GNOME supports the freedesktop autostart spec
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> it partially supports it at least, for system-installed part of the spec
12:27 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.tribulaciones.org/blog/2006/Apr/09/?flav=html
12:29 <anjori_> it installs in /etc?
12:30  * anjori_ goes to read the doc
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> if I'm reading this correctly, we put the .desktop file in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/autostart, which defaults to ~/.config/autostart if no $XDG_blah exists
12:32 <Lucifer_arma> and it should work for everyone
12:34 <Lucifer_arma> looks like I don't have a .desktop hanging around for pyalarm :/
12:34 <anjori_> anjori@nesk:~$ echo $XDG_CONFIG_HOME
12:34 <anjori_> i can create one
12:35 <anjori_> i'm sure i have a bookmark to a guide on it
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> sure.  :)  I *think* I install the icons to the right place, but you might doublecheck that
12:35 <anjori_> mm, that didnt show the extra line. anyway, that variable is empty for me
12:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, mine's empty too, but ~/.config exists
12:36 <anjori_> but how would it being under the user's home dir make it available to everyone?
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't, it makes it available only to that user
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> basically, do what's in /etc, and let what's in the user's home directory trump /etc
12:36 <anjori_> Lucifer_arma> and it should work for everyone
12:36 <anjori_> you mean that everyone should be able to do it?
12:36 <Lucifer_arma> oh, I meant "everyone in the world", not "everyone on the computer"  :)
12:37 <anjori_> ah
12:37 <anjori_> and yeah, /etc would require permissions
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> so we could have a little checkbox in preferences that says "Autostart this thing", and it'll install the .desktop file in the user's home dir
12:38 <anjori_> ah, so you are going to build it in?
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> then in Linux, we add another checkbox that says "Autostart for everyone (root permissions required)"
12:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, in the long run yes, absolutely
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> but supporting freedesktop's standard here may not be enough.  Testing needs to be done to see which desktops we can determine will actually support it
12:39 <anjori_> should i still create directions for the README for the time being? and for other WM, just link to the binary?
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> then find out what the others require and stuff
12:39 <anjori_> right
12:39 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, definitely.  Keep going, it'll probably be several months before the code appears to do it, I'm focused on the windows version right now for the most part.
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> get it all tested and stuff, we'll know what works where, and that'll be easy to code :)
12:40 <Lucifer_arma> it's like writing a paper, you do research and crap first, then you write the paper :)
12:41 <Lucifer_arma> and if you create a .desktop file, I'll toss it into svn so it'll at least be there.  Then the directions for the readme might read "try copyin this file or symlinkin it"
12:41  * Lucifer_arma checks his 'g' key.  ggggggggggggggggggggggg
12:42 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a grab one last smoke and then go to bed before I fall over
12:42 <anjori_> i should think about that soon, too. but now i want to look more into this :P
12:42 <anjori_> my body would only let me get about 4 hours of broken sleep yesterday
12:44 <anjori_> i believe kde also has a location to autostart for all users. i forget where, but that's easy enough to find out
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16:28 <wrtlprnft> deja_vu: http://himbeere.shacknet.nu/kram/cool_progs.txt ← I'm offended armagetronad isn't on there :P
16:36 <[dlh]> Hey wrtlprnft, can you grep your master logs for my server? I'm not seeing it on my list.
16:39 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: sec
16:40 <wrtlprnft> nothing o_O
16:40 <wrtlprnft> in 29MB, that is
16:40 <[dlh]> hmm, well I can connect to it fine.
16:41 <wrtlprnft> different IP?
16:41 <[dlh]> Yes, different IP
16:41 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i have 18 logins from that IP
16:42 <wrtlprnft> the one from /whois
16:43 <wrtlprnft> weird…
16:43 <luke-jr_work> deja_vu: Konqueror>Opera, KHexClock>KBinaryClock (which does *not* show the binary time)
16:44 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_work: Opera>Konqeror>IE>Opera :P
16:45 <luke-jr_work> ...
16:45 <wrtlprnft> x
16:45 <wrtlprnft> oops
16:45 <wrtlprnft> that x was an accident, don't interpret it
16:46 <luke-jr_work> nah
16:46 <luke-jr_work> it was quite clearly purposeful
17:00 <wrtlprnft> x
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17:57 <deja_vu> wrtlprnft: that's a very old list :P
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17:57 <deja_vu> luke-jr_work: opera rocks :P
18:01 <luke-jr_work> Konqueror rocks more
18:05 <wrtlprnft> pfft
18:07 <wrtlprnft> http://himbeere.shacknet.nu/kram/:p
18:07  * wrtlprnft wonders if guru3 would kill him if he paster that
18:08 <deja_vu> man banner ;)
18:08 <deja_vu> or /exec -o banner hello
18:08  * deja_vu hides
18:08 <wrtlprnft> haha
18:09 <wrtlprnft> /bin/sh: banner: command not found
18:09 <wrtlprnft> safe :P
18:09 <deja_vu> too bad :P
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18:20 <luke-jr_work> [16:15] [DCOP] Error: Could not find script "-o".
18:33 <wrtlprnft> get a real IRC client :P
18:41 <spidey> o.o
18:41 <spidey> omg
18:41 <spidey> luke-jr_work, 
18:41 <spidey> Luke-Jr, 
18:43 <deja_vu> spidey! :D
18:43 <spidey> it!
18:44 <deja_vu> o.O
18:44 <luke-jr_work> ...
18:45 <spidey> you don't want to host soldat servers
18:45 <spidey> heh
18:45 <luke-jr_work> you alfready said that
18:45 <spidey> i did?
18:45 <spidey> o.o
18:45 <luke-jr_work> yes
18:45 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/index.php?goto=bandwidth
18:46 <spidey> hmm
18:46 <spidey> well that didn't work
18:46 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/bandwidth.php
18:48 <luke-jr_work> a broken image?
18:48 <spidey> ...
18:50 <luke-jr_work> ...
18:50 <spidey> oh waitanyways
18:50 <spidey> 2.23gb out and .35gb in... in just under 2 days =p
18:50 <luke-jr_work> ok
18:50 <luke-jr_work> and?
18:51 <spidey> that's alot =D
18:51 <luke-jr_work> you realize Arma would use up to 8 GB in one day with a constant 16 players?
18:51 <spidey> ...
18:52 <spidey> that's with 16
18:52 <spidey> this is with 10 and less
18:52 <luke-jr_work> it's also like 1/4 the bandwidth =p
18:54 <luke-jr_work> with the soldat #s you just said, if they were accurate enough, it would mean maybe 0.50 per slot =p
18:55 <luke-jr_work> but obviously there's lots of data you didn't say, which is why I setup hachi for you to test stuff ....
18:55 <spidey> they're accurate
18:55 <spidey> i dunno why hachi hasn't got any traffic, lol
18:55 <spidey> both the other servers are full
18:56 <luke-jr_work> can you get together a bunch of people to play on hachi at a planned time?
18:56 <luke-jr_work> and turn off bots
18:56 <spidey> possibly
18:57 <spidey> actually
18:57 <spidey> i don't think hachi is talking to the master server
18:58 <spidey> or it should have people in it
18:58 <spidey> hold on
19:00 <spidey> i used the wrong config
19:00 <spidey> lol
19:02  * luke-jr_work stabs spidey =p
19:02 <spidey> it's not working =p
19:03 <spidey> luke-jr_work, btw if you're replying you might wanna identify :p
19:04 <spidey> i sent the guys this bnc is hosted on a email with the details telling them to cancel the shell, they haven't yet o.o
20:18 <MaZuffeR> spidey: come kick some fuckers from the soldat server
20:18 <spidey> lol
20:18 <spidey> who?
20:18 <spidey> and which one
20:18 <MaZuffeR> decaying zombie2 i think
20:19 <MaZuffeR> he left already, got scared when i said i'll get an admin
20:19 <spidey> heh
20:20 <spidey> we need more mods
20:20 <spidey> :/
20:41 <spidey> that was easier than i thought
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22:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what would it take to get messenger.hotmail.com down?
22:38 <spidey> ...
22:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anways
22:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> g'nite everyone
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> I think I found me puzzle game
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23:21 <Lucifer_arma> anjori: think you can solve this right after you wake up?  http://phil.freehackers.org/klotski/
23:25 <spidey> dude
23:26 <spidey> that's a old game
23:26 <spidey> and i hated it
23:26 <spidey> -_-
23:31 <anjori> oh, for a clock?
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23:31 <anjori> i dont even wanna try looking at it right now. i'm exhausted
23:32 <anjori> but the good news is i've done a tonne of reading and i think i have a .desktop entry now. there's a tool i downloaded that's supposed to validate it. if it passes, i'll move on to getting it to work in various environments
23:33 <anjori> Lucifer_arma ^
23:41 <Lucifer_arma> saw it.  Yeah, the puzzle game is for when the alarm goes off.  I went through a few puzzles and looked at the code and decided it would be a good game to use.  :)
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23:46 <anjori> (admittedly, i havent looked at it yet, but) after doing it a few times, wouldnt you then be able to do it after you've just woken up? gotta mix it up!
23:48 <anjori> hmm. the Encoding= key has apparently been deprecated since a couple specs ago (if i understood the docs correctly), but the validator bitched that i didnt have it
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> there's several loaders
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> er, maps
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> something like that :)
23:51 <anjori> http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-0.9.6.html#deprecated-items
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23:52 <anjori> also, am i understanding this correctly?:  "Version	 Version of Desktop Entry Specification (While the version field is not required to be present, it should be in all newer implementations of the Desktop Entry Specification. If the version number is not present, a "pre-standard" desktop entry file is to be assumed)."
23:53 <anjori> Version= should be, for example, 0.9.6 and _not_ the actual app version, as i've seen most (including arma) do
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> so, Version=0.9.6  <--- the version of the desktop spec
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's how I'm reading it :)
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> we're either both right, or both wrong
23:53 <anjori> okay. that's what i have. but yeah, just about every other apps file i looked at uses the app version
23:58 <anjori> oh, and you need to have DSAC create a symlink in /usr/share/icons to /usr/local/share/dsac/icons/large/dsac.png for the icon to work

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01:34 <Luke-Jr> ...
01:47 <spidey> fuck
01:47 <spidey> DrJoeTron, 
01:47 <spidey> can a channel master kick you in mid- game?
01:47 <spidey> becuase that's fuckin gay
01:47 <spidey> this is the 3rd time i've been disconnected while doing good
01:54 <Luke-Jr> ...
01:54 <Luke-Jr> this host is Netherlands wants to rip me off
01:54 <Luke-Jr> in*
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02:21 <spidey> going to my moms,bbl
02:37 <Luke-Jr> y
02:42 <spidey> why?
02:42 <spidey> because she's my mom
02:42 <spidey> and i'm leaving whenever my lazy ass uncle stop watching tv
02:42 <spidey> -_-
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04:14 <Lucifer_arma> my daughter's so silly.  She takes off her clothes, gets in the bath, then comes running out "Don't look at me, I'm getting shampoo!"
04:14 <Lucifer_arma> so I kept glancing at her just to watch her duck behind the couch :)
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05:35 <spidey_> =D
05:35 <spidey_> at my moms O.o
05:38 <anjori> i'm not.
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05:56 <Luke-Jr> groundpig: done
05:57 <groundpig> Luke-Jr: thanks!
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06:02 <anjori> hi pig, van
06:02 <groundpig> hi anjori
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06:05 <anjori> hi person i dont know, but must have a cool accent
06:10 <Vanhayes> hey anjori 
06:12 <anjori> did you hear what happened in montreal?
06:13 <anjori>  /end sarcasm  ;)
06:13 <anjori> how could you not?
06:14 <anjori> even the bloodythirsty american media covered it, of course.
06:17 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/groundpig/Basic/corridor-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by groundpig
06:18 <groundpig> my quest for world domination has begun
06:18 <anjori> uh-oh
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07:04 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: i figured out how to upload
07:05 <groundpig> so ignore PM
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07:14 <Your_mom_arma> okay
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> so what are you planning to do now, or is it a secret?
07:15 <groundpig> :B) secret
07:15 <Your_mom_arma> awww
07:15 <Your_mom_arma> can you tell me when your going to reveal it to us at least?
07:15 <groundpig> after its done
07:16 <Your_mom_arma> well that does make sence
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07:17 <Lucifer_arma> that was pretty crazy
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> (that thing in montreal)
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07:35 <Your_mom_arma> internets a rough neighberhood
07:36 <anjori> tell me about it.
07:36 <groundpig> its rough
07:36 <anjori> i can't even walk from one computer to the other without someone trying to rough me up.
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07:42 <anjori> aww, pig. life may be hard, but it's no reason to give up.
07:51 <spidey> and now i'm back home
07:51 <spidey> =)
07:57  * Lucifer_arma stabs spidey
07:57  * spidey drop kicks Lucifer_arma then gets up and does a barrel roll bitch slap
07:57 <spidey> :S
07:58 <anjori> of course, why would things work as they're supposed to?
07:58 <Lucifer_arma> I've been attacked!  waaa!!
07:58 <spidey> lol
07:59  * Lucifer_arma is pissed at his government class now
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> by Tuesday I should be in a full roiling fury
07:59 <Your_mom_arma> should i ask why?
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:59 <Lucifer_arma> that depends.  do you consider "he would do it to me" to be a good reason to do nasty things to someone?
08:00 <anjori> gnome autostarts but with issues (i have a screenshot). xfce autostarts, but i'm not sure if it has issues yet, could just be that apparently i didn't have the panel installed (installing full xubuntu-desktop pacakge now). kde completely ignores it.
08:00 <anjori> this is for a system-wide install in /etc/xdg/autostart
08:00 <Your_mom_arma> would do or has done?
08:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, if "has done" counts, than you also have to count what *you* have already done
08:01 <Lucifer_arma> see, they give that as the reason it's ok to torture "enemy combatants" and not to even bother putting them on trial.  Just take them out and shoot 'em one girl said.
08:01 <Your_mom_arma> heh
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> the same girl that said that also seems to think this all started with the WTC attacks
08:02 <Lucifer_arma> she's pretty young, though.
08:02 <Your_mom_arma> heh
08:02 <anjori> dude, i'm young. that doesn't make me fucking stupid.
08:03 <anjori> i will cannot at all fathom how people from her camp come to these conclusions
08:03 <anjori> -will
08:03 <Your_mom_arma> well prisident bush used to think that
08:03 <Your_mom_arma> were going to iraq to combat terrorism
08:03 <Lucifer_arma> well, I hate being right.  :(  Once upon a time I said "We shouldn't go to Iraq over 9/11, we shouldn't be using terrorism as a reason to go there.  IF we do, we'll lose some fundamental american value or other"
08:03 <Your_mom_arma> we went to iraq to liberate its people
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08:04 <Your_mom_arma> which was it?
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> we went there for revenge, but nobody has the balls to say it
08:04 <Lucifer_arma> plain and simple, we went there so we could kill evil Moslems, and we knew there were some there.
08:04 <anjori> has anyone seen the BBC doc, "The Power of Nightmares". very interesting.
08:04 <Your_mom_arma> desert storm the sequal (daddys whispers)
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> I haven't seen that, but I've had some awesome nightmares
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> I've had nightmares so bad, I stayed asleep because they were better than movies
08:05 <Lucifer_arma> s/bad/scary
08:05 <Your_mom_arma> haha
08:05 <anjori> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0430484/
08:05 <Your_mom_arma> the ones that freak me out are the ones where you cant move or scream
08:06 <Your_mom_arma> mabey im the only one who has dreams like that
08:07 <Your_mom_arma> i dont like how we went to war in afganistan and then outsourced fighting to warlords
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> man, my favorite nightmare had me waking up for popcorn and then going back to sleep
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, what else are we going to do?  If we went into afghanistan with ground troops, they'd beat us, just like the vietnamese beat us, and just like the afghanis already beat the soviets
08:08 <Lucifer_arma> luckily we put NATO on the job
08:09 <anjori> well, the mirrors are slow as hell and it's saying it'll take an hour just to install two bloody desktops :(
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> that looks like an interesting documentary, I wonder if I can get my government teacher to show it :)
08:09 <anjori> so further testing will have to wait for that
08:09 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ok.  I'm going to bed pretty soon anyway, got drafting in the morning
08:09 <anjori> oh, now it just bounced to 4 hours, and then 2. goddamnit.
08:10 <anjori> some will call it quite biased and maybe even conspiracy-theorist, but it defintely raised issues to think about.
08:11 <anjori> i havent seen it in a long time, though. just burned a DVD iso the other day, will have to watch again
08:18 <anjori> Lucifer_arma: http://anjori.com/dsac.desktop
08:20 <anjori> translations from Google Translate and babelfish for the dutch, so probably not completely accurate ;)
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> added to svn, will take a little bit for me to figure out how to get the makefiles to install it
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> I'll have to go back over how arma handles it :)
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> thanks!
08:26 <anjori> well, that version may have messed up some of the translations encoding over http (some look messed in my browser, anyway)
08:27 <anjori> ill send you the actual file i have with the readme when it's done, though.
08:27 <anjori> first i gotta figure out how to make it all work for each environment.
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> I love the german translation
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> depends on fonts
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> I guess we'll find out sooner or later.  I also suppose I should start thinking about i18n for the whole app
08:28 <anjori> yeah, i guess if you did wget http://anjori.com/dsac.desktop, it would work. as long as youre not copying and pasting
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> I told firefox to save page as... , it's never let me down before
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I remember now.  Something, anyway.  configure is supposed to determine the path somehow and then change the desktop file to reflect it.
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> Something like that.  I'll move it to a .in file and make a build rule for it
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> right now I'm trying to figure out how to copy the klotsky directory over
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> I should just copy the whole directory, how hard can it be?
08:30 <anjori> mm, it looks messed up in a text editor on here, too. kubuntu looks fine
08:31 <anjori> probably just dont have the rights fonts on mepis
08:31 <anjori> also, did you get what i said about symlinking the icon earlier?
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I got that.  I'm going to try to get configure to detect the icon directory correctly and just install there
08:33 <anjori> k.
08:33 <anjori> for reference: Icons and themes are looked for in a set of directories. By default, apps should look in $HOME/.icons (for backwards compatibility), in $XDG_DATA_DIRS/icons and in /usr/share/pixmaps (in that order). 
08:33 <anjori> 		If $XDG_DATA_DIRS is either not set or empty, a value equal to /usr/local/share/:/usr/share/ should be used.
08:34 <Lucifer_arma> got it.  If you check out svn you'll see me collecting this stuff.  :)
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'm happy about finding klotski, though.  I was thinking about digging up an algebra system I saw and using that, make you have to do some algebra.
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> problem there is a lot of people can't do algebra first thing in the morning.
08:38 <spidey> heh
08:38 <spidey> i got a 300mhz boz
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> boz?
08:38 <spidey> box
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: ...
08:39 <spidey> slane, ....
08:39 <spidey> spidey, ....
08:46 <anjori> heh. good thing, too. i probably couldn't do algebra while completely awake
09:02 <spidey> i can't do algebra asleep, half asleep, awake or while day dreaming
09:02 <spidey> =p
09:09 <anjori> oh, son of a bitch
09:09 <anjori> all the time, and the bloody packages didnt even install. i think because of the broken ctypes package
09:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> *yawn*
09:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
09:10 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune: Bachelor: || A guy who is footloose and fiancee-free.
09:11 <Your_mom_arma> what was that about kevin bacon?
09:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> mmmmm bacon... let's see if there's some left in the fridge....
09:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> breakfast time
09:12 <[Xpert]DarkStar> bbl
09:17 <anjori> breakfast at 12am?!
09:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> at 9 am...
09:27 <[Xpert]DarkStar> where do you live?
09:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm... gotta leave anyway
09:31  * [Xpert]DarkStar is out
09:32 <anjori> [00:30] [Xpert]DarkStar at 9 am...
09:33 <anjori> clearly my client says that it is, in fact, 12:3[6]
09:43 <Lucifer_arma> yay, made klotski work :)
09:43 <anjori> i can't bloody install the xubuntu and ubuntu packages because of that damn ctypes
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> er
09:44 <Lucifer_arma> hm.  How do you fix that?  heh
09:44 <anjori> so, i need to figure that out before i can proceed
09:44 <anjori> good question
09:45 <anjori> anything i try to install or remove, that package gets marked for removal. then it downloads everything, goes to apply all the changes, gets caught on that, and quits
09:45 <anjori> from what i gather, anyway
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> apt-get --fix-broken ?
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> apt-get --fix-broken --remove python-ctypes ?
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> leave off the ?
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> that's me saying "will this work?"
09:48  * Lucifer_arma is starting to remember something of the path he took to fix a similar problem awhile back
09:50 <anjori> ill try that in a few, gotta get something off the stove
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that should get you started anyway.  I remember running something that told me what was wrong and gave instructions on how to fix it
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> and that commandline looks very familiar to me
09:54 <spidey> fuck
09:55 <spidey> my left hand is covered in blue ink
09:56 <anjori> --fix-broken just returns the help with available switches and such.  adding --remove python-ctypes returns "E: Invalid operation python-ctypes"
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> ah, right
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> apt-get --fix-broken remove python-ctypes
09:58 <Lucifer_arma> http://docutils.sourceforge.net/  <--- looking at this for the user manual
09:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I forgot some parts of the api I wrote and was reading code to remember them, then decided to worry about documentation.  Got doxygen installed and started the apidocs
09:59 <anjori> ugh. now it's bitching about unmet dependances in abiword-common and abiword-gnome, from when i tried to install the environments earlier, i presume. it got that far, and then tripped up when it ran into ctypes
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> did it actually fix anything though?
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> or at least include a message about what's broke and what you can do to fix it?
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10:07 <Lucifer_arma> there's also supposed to be something about putting a package "on hold" if you use --force on it
10:07 <anjori> hold on, ill sign on from that computer. easier to copy/paste than trying to relaying everything by retyping it
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  I'm going to bed now, I just dumped all the information I found googling.  Ran out of things to search.  :/
10:09 <anjori> that's probably better, anyway. with my lack of sleep the last 2 days and my frustration with it, i should probably leave it for the night and come back refreshed tomorrow
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10:57 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you sure there isn't an update for bad behavior?
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13:49 <spidey> bah
13:52 <spidey> hmm
13:52 <spidey> what distro would run best on a 300mhz p2 early p3
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14:07 <spidey> In Connorsville, Wisconsin no man shall shoot of a gun while his female partner is having a sexual orgasm. 
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14:07 <spidey> wtf @ that law
14:07 <spidey> o.o
14:20 <spidey> http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/tennessee/
14:24 <spidey> Driving is not to be done while asleep. hahahaha
14:50 <spidey> Memphis
14:50 <spidey> Illegal for a woman to drive a car unless there is a man either running or walking in front of it waving a red flag to warn approaching motorists and pedestrians.
14:50 <spidey> hahahah i like that one
15:08 <wrtlprnft> poor guy in front… he's helpless if she mistakes the brake for the gas pedal :Þ
15:23 <[NP]Tangent> heh
15:23 <[NP]Tangent> it's apparently legal to rip those tags off of mattresses
15:23 <[NP]Tangent> here it is, anyways
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16:59 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
16:59 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska has last been seen on Fortress 2 minutes ago.
16:59 <wrtlprnft> it still doesn't have all servers...
17:03 <ghableska> yeah
17:04 <ghableska> I'm playing on it right now...
17:04 <ghableska> #lastseen ghableska
17:04 <armabot> ghableska: ghableska seems to be on Fortress right now.
17:04 <ghableska> oh
17:04 <ghableska> now it works :P
17:08 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: ...?
17:10 <Luke-Jr> [NP]Tangent: um, it certainly is...
17:11 <Luke-Jr> I mean, even if the tags were enforced, they do all say "except by the consumer"
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17:14 <DrJoeTron> Mmmm, 1280mb of ram
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17:26 <Luke-Jr> O.o
17:26 <Luke-Jr> 2048 ;p
17:26 <wrtlprnft> something must be wrong with my master server
17:27 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't show all servers x_X
17:27 <DrJoeTron> id have more but i dont have anymore slots :/
17:28 <wrtlprnft> ever thought about purchasing USB RAM?
17:32 <DrJoeTron> to be honest ive never heard of such a thing
17:33 <wrtlprnft> well, it's obviously nonsense :P
17:33 <ghableska> :P
17:33 <DrJoeTron> i was just about the ask you how does that work
17:33 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: are you blocking UDP traffic from aabeta?
17:33 <DrJoeTron> and i probably would believe you if you came up with something
17:34 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i tried to use it and aap_master.php to test my master server, and it doesn't work :(
17:34 <wrtlprnft> nvm
17:34 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: nope
17:35 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: yeah, i see, looks like my firewall is blocking it
17:35 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: can you ping two IPs for me?
17:35 <wrtlprnft> sure
17:35 <Luke-Jr> and
17:36 <wrtlprnft> PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
17:36 <wrtlprnft> 64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=33.0 ms
17:36 <wrtlprnft> --- ping statistics ---
17:36 <wrtlprnft> 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
17:36 <wrtlprnft> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 33.034/33.034/33.034/0.000 ms
17:36 <wrtlprnft> PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
17:36 <wrtlprnft> 64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=18.8 ms
17:36 <wrtlprnft> --- ping statistics ---
17:36 <wrtlprnft> 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
17:36 <wrtlprnft> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 18.831/18.831/18.831/0.000 ms
17:36 <Luke-Jr> 18.8 :o
17:36 <Luke-Jr> 81 is the one I tried the euro test server on
17:37 <Luke-Jr> 80 is the one I'm probably going to buy
17:37 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: need more values?
17:37 <wrtlprnft> i just did /exec -o ping -c 1 <ip>
17:37 <Luke-Jr> well, an average of 4 would probably be best ;p
17:37 <wrtlprnft> ok
17:38 <wrtlprnft> ARGH
17:38 <ghableska> O_o
17:38 <Luke-Jr> but not here ... =p
17:38 <wrtlprnft> my router was configured to forward port 4533 to
17:38 <wrtlprnft> that's why it was losing servers
17:38 <Luke-Jr> ........
17:38 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: ok, your server should be able to contact my server now
17:39 <wrtlprnft> i have no clue how that happened
17:39 <wrtlprnft> stupid web interface
17:39 <wrtlprnft> I sure didn't change it on purpose
17:39 <Luke-Jr> so don't use the webif?
17:39 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: what else
17:39 <Luke-Jr> ssh?
17:39 <wrtlprnft> uh
17:39 <wrtlprnft> doesn't exist?
17:39 <Luke-Jr> why not?
17:40 <wrtlprnft> because the router's firmware doesn't have an SSH server?
17:40 <wrtlprnft> at least not on its standard port
17:40 <Luke-Jr> so upgrade it =p
17:41 <wrtlprnft> --- ping statistics ---
17:41 <wrtlprnft> 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3011ms
17:41 <wrtlprnft> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 29.925/38.219/58.978/12.078 ms
17:41 <wrtlprnft> --- ping statistics ---
17:41 <wrtlprnft> 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 2999ms
17:41 <wrtlprnft> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 18.661/19.793/20.626/0.867 ms
17:41 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ?
17:41 <Luke-Jr> nice
17:41 <Luke-Jr> I don't get <20ms even from lightfoot
17:41 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: what router?
17:41 <wrtlprnft> be aware I can't run openWRT
17:41 <wrtlprnft> WRT54GC
17:42  * wrtlprnft closes that stupid interface before accidentally breaking something else
17:44 <Luke-Jr> o well
17:47 <wrtlprnft> #onlineplayers
17:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: This data is 173 seconds old; Mareike (Norm's Place), Mareike (Norm's Place), Mareike (Norm's Place), Mareike (Norm's Place), Mareike (Norm's Place), Mareike (Norm's Place), Mareike (Norm's Place), Mareike (Norm's Place), Mareike (Norm's Place), Mareike (Norm's Place), Mareike (Norm's Place), Mareike (Norm's Place), Mareike (Norm's Place), Mareike (Norm's Place), Mareike (Norm's Place), !"á ^!á!! ( (4 more messages)
17:47 <wrtlprnft> err
17:47 <wrtlprnft> #more
17:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), !$! alex !$! (Norm's Place), !$! alex !$! (Norm's Place), !$! alex !$! (Norm's Place), !$! alex !$! (Norm's Place), !$! alex !$! (Norm's Place), !un touchable! (Norm's Place), !un touchable! (Norm's Place), !x!~alex~1x! (Norm's Place), !x!~alex~1x! (Norm's Place), !x!~alex~1x! (Norm's Place), !x!~alex~1x! (Norm's Place), !x!~alex~1x! (Norm's Place), !x!~alex~1x! (Norm's (3 more messages)
17:47 <wrtlprnft> this is a bit much...
17:50 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034183136.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
17:50 <wrtlprnft> #onlineplayers
17:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: This data is 73 seconds old; Column 'time' in where clause is ambiguous
17:50 <wrtlprnft> errm
17:50 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
17:51 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska 
17:51 <wrtlprnft> #onlineplayers
17:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: This data is 96 seconds old; (SL)Nii (Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag), ->tWc:MoToRhEaD ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), -{E}-Spartan ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), .·KøÏ·-$µbzêqõ (Fortress), Dogy (Tigers Network Classic Play), =(S)=Bluerajden (=(S)=Stealth Dogfight Arena), =(S)=KavE (~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit}), Achtung! (Fortress), b3n (The Lobster Cage), Bl00dsucker (Crazy (4 more messages)
17:51 <Vanhayes> messy
17:51 <wrtlprnft> that looks better
17:51 <wrtlprnft> well, i know it is
17:51 <wrtlprnft> #onlineplayers
17:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: This data is 141 seconds old; (SL)Nii, ->tWc:MoToRhEaD, -{E}-Spartan, .·KøÏ·-$µbzêqõ, Dogy, =(S)=Bluerajden, =(S)=KavE, Achtung!, b3n, Bl00dsucker, blahhh, C14, CTDimbiman, CTxChiCho, CT~Voodoo, darko, delueks, drak, epsy, featherfcuk, Fightin Chicken, FroZen, ghableska, gilberto, gnat, Haltoroman, Koitnreina, Le BaRbArE, lizard, LOVE/HATE, me, Naibsel, newbÎe, Pi, Player 1, Pluto, Poof c(+_+)o, (1 more message)
17:52 <Vanhayes> nice
17:52 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen nii
17:52 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (SL)Nii has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Capture The Flag 2 minutes ago.
17:52 <wrtlprnft> that way you can see the server :)
17:52 <Niii> stop highlight me ! think i got friend ...
17:52 <Vanhayes> lol
17:52 <wrtlprnft> sorry
17:53 <Niii> np ^^
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17:53 <wrtlprnft> added a few indexes now, hope that makes it all faster
17:55 <wrtlprnft> updates every 60 seconds now again
17:55 <ghableska> :D
17:56 <wrtlprnft> i had increased the delay to 300 because i thought the servers were starting to autoban me for pinging them too often
18:01  * wrtlprnft still wonders why [dlh] was able to reach his master server…
18:45 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-240-54-90.client.mchsi.com] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"]
19:26 <Vanhayes> #onlineplayers
19:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: This data is 74 seconds old; !x!~alex~1x!, #Grasure#, ->M<- microsoft, -{E}- Squirg, .·Løж.$µazêrõ, 666emokid, =(S)=Bluerajden, anto l'aiclai²q, Bape, brakes, bucchino, Cliff, ct|loops, CT~Voodoo, derzis, djiezes, DJ_PANTERA, E, Flad, Fr0sty, france, Gyuit, Hellsing, Juanma, karl :P, laurent, LidiaRidiYa, lizard, Lord Dexkdes, Luzifer, MacOS X, Marth, mase, matthew, Mitsubishi Evo, Monsieur N, (1 more message)
19:26 <Vanhayes> #more
19:26 <armabot> Vanhayes: Mystic-Dragon, N8topfsurfer, NC/IoIÇn(meep), nemostultae, ozo.exe, Perdio, Playerhehe33olb, QBert, Revan |MBC|, revi, SAY, shotgun*stg*, Silence, SLASH, Subd, Toasty Toast, TOM, Valukar, Wiz, zero, {WPN}·Kéfîs, {|PT|}Rav, |AST| }{Alex}{, |SCREAM|, ~*SP*~ ØLÊfÀ       TT, ~*SP*~whatup, ~{GP}~woorm, ~}SD{~liv3 wir3, ~}SD{~Smart,  «VPN»?«Cµqkå»?, ¯WPN¯ G5, °¯n00b, °¯°3dot °°¯
20:19 <DrJoeTron> well that was fun
20:32 <mkzelda> everyone is at 'this could be your fortress'
20:32 <mkzelda> everyone impressed w/ pings
20:32 <mkzelda> we're trying to get 32 ppl in there
20:32 <mkzelda> to see how well it plays
20:33 <mkzelda> so anyone around, hop in
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20:43 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: there may be an update, I didn't say there wasn't....  I updated reccently when jonathan got blocked using lynx
20:44 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: ...
20:45 <mkzelda> Luke-Jr, 
20:45 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_work: ...
20:45 <mkzelda> now is a good opportunity t