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Log from 2006-09-08:
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00:23 <DrJoeTron> 2.8.2 likes to degrade after each restar
00:23 <DrJoeTron> t
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01:45 <DrJoeTron> everyone on ctf needs to just fucking explode
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02:11 <Durka> hi
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02:16 <DrJoeTron> i cannot stand 2.8.2
02:16 <Durka> its so much better than 0.3 x ;)
02:16 <DrJoeTron> i prefer 8.1
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02:18 <Durka> sup luci
02:20 <DrJoeTron> im starting to notice a difference from playing wired as apposed to wifi
02:20 <DrJoeTron> with wifi i slide every 2 minutes
02:20 <Durka> lol
02:20 <Durka> i play on a wireless keybaord :p
02:20 <DrJoeTron> yeah i do to
02:20 <Durka> lol
02:21 <DrJoeTron> not very wireless is it
02:21 <Durka> i cant press more than 4 keys at onced
02:21 <Durka> which I often did with my laptop before it broke
02:21 <DrJoeTron> i dont have that problem, because i dont user more than 2 at once tops
02:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah, definate packet loss
02:22 <Durka> double bind then quick right left back on my wall while pressing brake and glancing :p
02:22 <DrJoeTron> i turn left and right
02:22 <Durka> i also noticed a huge difference by keyboards
02:22 <DrJoeTron> yeah, definatly got packet loss
02:22 <Durka> normal keyobards are harder to turn because the keys are higher off the keyboard
02:22 <Durka> the ones on laptops
02:23 <Durka> are super flat and much easier to press a bunch of turns fast
02:23 <Durka> my lelvel of pwning go down about 10& by switching keybaords
02:24 <Durka> but then iagain im still waiting for apple to send me back my laptop
02:29 <Durka> is guru3 tank?
02:33  * Durka wants to talk to /you
02:33  * Durka is talking to himself
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02:37 <BO> well this hasnt work
02:38 -!- BO is now known as Dr_Joe_Tron
02:38 <Dr_Joe_Tron> anyone know how to combat packet loss on wifi
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--- Log opened Fri Sep 08 10:27:47 2006
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10:27 <wrtlprnft> x_X
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: I found a class that provides a systray icon with just pyQt
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> it's neat, actually.  It uses ctypes to access the xlib c library directly.  :)
10:44 <wrtlprnft> o_O
10:45 <wrtlprnft> that means i have to say goodbye to KEditList and some KDE icons? :(
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> only if you want to rewrite with Qt and no KDE stuff.  You can also do some magic to have it use KDE when the user is using KDE, but that's more complex
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> really, you can do whatever you want, I just wanted to throw that out to you
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> I needed a systray for something else and didn't want to use pyKDE for it
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10:53 <guru3> what's the speed of usb 1.2?
10:54 <guru3> (or 1.1)
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> slower than usb 2.0
11:00 <wrtlprnft> #g speed of usb 1.2
11:00 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:01 <wrtlprnft> #g speed of sound
11:01 <armabot> speed of sound at sea level = 340.29 m / s
11:02 <guru3> #g speed of usb 1.1
11:02 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:02 <guru3> #g speed of usb
11:02 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:02 <guru3> boo
11:02 <guru3> afk
11:03 <wrtlprnft> guru3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_1.1#Transfer_speed
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12:43 <free-zombie> are there any official checksums of armagetronad downloads ?
12:48 <wrtlprnft> which downloads?
12:48 <wrtlprnft> from sf or beta.aa.net?
12:51 <[dlh]> There aren't checksums for the -src downloads, as far as I know. The Mac OS X dmg files checksum themselves when mounted.
12:51 <wrtlprnft> well, tar.bz files too
12:55 <free-zombie> sf tar.bz2 source...
12:56 <wrtlprnft> bzip2 should complain if they're corrupted. AFAIK .bz2 files have checksums build in
12:57 <[dlh]> I don't think bz2 has an internal checksum.
13:00 <[dlh]> “bzip2 uses 32-bit CRCs to make sure that the decompressed version of a file is identical to the original.”
13:01 <free-zombie> basically, I'd need it for creating a FrugalWare package of armagetronad :)
13:01 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: just tried it, changed a random bit somewhere in the middle of a big bz2 file, and it complained
13:02 <free-zombie> complained about what ?
13:02 <[dlh]> Still, it would be a good idea to have an md5 checksum for the downloads.
13:02  * free-zombie agrees with [dlh] 
13:03 <wrtlprnft> free-zombie: complained about a data integrety error
13:03 <wrtlprnft> bunzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing.
13:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but checksums can't hurt
13:04 <wrtlprnft> also as an extra protection against someone changing our releases
13:04 <free-zombie> "Configuration will be installed in : ${prefix}/etc/games/armagetronad" shouldn't that be /etc/armagetronad or something with --enable-sysconfig ?
13:05 <free-zombie> ah. "Link to configuration will go to   : /etc/armagetronad" *hides*
13:14 <free-zombie> "Static data will be installed in   : /usr/share/armagetronad-0.2.8.2.1/armagetronad" is there a way to cut off the /armagetronad without patching the configure.in ?
13:15 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6172 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cCockpit.cpp: Fixed a crash that happened when leaving a local game with a cockpit that refers to a player datasource in a widget of the global viewport (shouldn't be done in cockpits anyways, but it shouldn't crash at least).
13:15  * wrtlprnft doesn't know the build system
13:18 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *mom* I think I found your cockpit crash… It happened when you left a local game, right?
13:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:43 <guru3> my desktop is now packed up
13:45 <wrtlprnft> you moving?
13:46 <guru3> to univeristy
13:46 <guru3> *university
13:46 <wrtlprnft> are the forums staying home or moving with you?
13:46 <guru3> forums are staying for the time being
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13:49  * spiderman slaps GodTodd 
13:49  * GodTodd likes it.
13:51 <spiderman> i can't believe i didn't pass out yesterday
13:51  * spiderman went to my little cousins football game stoned
13:51 <hiab> what university are you going to
13:53 <guru3> sheffield
13:53 <free-zombie> guru3, do you know your way around the build system ?
13:53 <guru3> nope
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13:54 <free-zombie> is anyone here who does know the build system ?
13:55 <wrtlprnft> z-man isn't here, and he's probably the only one who does
13:55 <free-zombie> hehe
13:55 -!- free-zombie is now known as w-tree
13:55 <wrtlprnft> you might try your luck with Lucifer_arma or Luke-Jr (but don't ask both unless you want them to fight, though)
13:56 <spiderman> haha
13:56 <w-tree> I'll keep that in mind ;)
14:05 <spiderman> there's someone on my msn list called 'fuck off' that i have no idea who they are O.o
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--- Log closed Fri Sep 08 14:39:04 2006
--- Log opened Fri Sep 08 14:39:11 2006
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15:39 <wrtlprnft> stupid question: how can python programs leak memory?
15:39 <wrtlprnft> there isn't an evergrowing array or something
15:39 <wrtlprnft> but it still gets quite an impressive memory footprint over time
15:40 <free-zombie> wrtlprnft, they shouldn't. and I've never noticed the CPython interpreter leaking anything - though that's possible. C modules could leak as well....
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16:06 <wrtlprnft> it's pyKDE
16:06 <wrtlprnft> what it uses
16:08 <free-zombie> hehe... I suppose it's KDE ;)
16:08 <free-zombie> like... in general
16:10 <wrtlprnft> i suppose it's PYkde
16:10 -!- philippeqc [n=philippe@c83-250-130-90.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #armagetron
16:10 <wrtlprnft> because kde doesn't leak in other programs for me
16:10 <wrtlprnft> hi there zone guy
16:11  * wrtlprnft wonders if philippeqc knows anything about the build system
16:11 <philippeqc> probably not
16:11 <free-zombie> :(
16:11 <philippeqc> what build system
16:11 <free-zombie> armagetronad's
16:11 <philippeqc> make
16:12 <philippeqc> make is our build system
16:12 <free-zombie> I'm basically looking for a way to installl data in /usr/share/armagetronad-0.2.8.2.1/ instead of /usr/share/armagetronad-0.2.8.2.1/armagetronad - equiv. for docs etc. and I know you use autohell, but I know nothing of auto*
16:13 <philippeqc> o
16:13 <free-zombie> I'd probably have to modify configure.ac for that....
16:13 -!- free-zombie is now known as w-tree
16:13 <philippeqc> can I ask a question?
16:13 <w-tree> sure.
16:13 <philippeqc> why is it important for you?
16:14 <w-tree> for making a Frugalware package.
16:14 <philippeqc> frugalware doesnt like the trailing folder?
16:14 <wrtlprnft> the only thing i can refer you to is http://beta.armagetronad.net/fetch.php/0.2.8%252F0.2.8.1%252Farmagetronad-0.2.8.1.ebuild.tbz2
16:14 <wrtlprnft> it has to be solving it in some way
16:18 <philippeqc> sorry, I dont think I can help
16:19 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: got any idea as to waht yourmom meant with "hovering tranparent vector shapes"
16:19 <w-tree> wrtlprnft, I'm not sure it does....
16:20 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: no, i was asking myself the same
16:20 <wrtlprnft> w-tree: it's putting it in /usr/share/games/armagetronad…
16:21 <wrtlprnft> ah, i see, it's not what you want
16:21 <w-tree> yeah... the key is adding the version number...
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16:22 <wrtlprnft> w-tree: i guess you could hack configure to add an option for renaming that dir, then we could make it part of the distribution…
16:23 <w-tree> wrtlprnft, I'd have to figure out how first ;)
16:23 <MaZuffeR> spiderman
16:27 <wrtlprnft> w-tree: that's exactly why i'm not doing it
16:28 <wrtlprnft> i'm happy if i can manage to add a file to the project
16:28 <wrtlprnft> or compile in some library
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16:38  * w-tree digs out the dusty book on autohell he never got around to reading
16:56 <w-tree> ok.... now I need someone who knows the build system - it seams that my version of autoconf is incompatible or doesn't have the right macros...
16:58 -!- w-tree is now known as free-zombie
17:02 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft & anyone that read the teaser post about zones, do you have a good example that I could use so everybody understand that its "any polygon, convex or concave"
17:04 -!- Luke-Jr_work__ [n=ubuntu@rrcs-67-53-67-115.west.biz.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
17:04 <Luke-Jr_work__> #last --with=Luke-Jr
17:04 <armabot> Luke-Jr_work__: [13:55:56] <wrtlprnft> you might try your luck with Lucifer_arma or Luke-Jr (but don't ask both unless you want them to fight, though)
17:04 <Luke-Jr_work__> #last --with=Luke-Jr --nolimit
17:04 <armabot> Luke-Jr_work__: [17:04:23] <Luke-Jr_work__> #last --with=Luke-Jr, [13:55:56] <wrtlprnft> you might try your luck with Lucifer_arma or Luke-Jr (but don't ask both unless you want them to fight, though), [23:14:15] <wrtlprnft> you'd make Luke-Jr most happy if you'd post an XML image, and [20:06:27] * wrtlprnft blames Luke-Jr 
17:04 <Luke-Jr_work__> hm
17:04 <philippeqc> hi luke
17:05 <Luke-Jr_work__> hi
17:05 <free-zombie> Luke-Jr, do you know your way around autoconf ?
17:05 <Luke-Jr_work__> nope
17:05 -!- free-zombie is now known as w-tree
17:05 <philippeqc> quick question: does your expression/parser/tValue/whatsnot support the following:
17:05 <w-tree> ok... so that leaves Lucifer_arma and zman :-/
17:05 <philippeqc> a) serialisation (ie can be sent over the network )
17:05 <philippeqc> b) sin, cos, time()
17:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> a) when someone implements it (this isn't parser related)
17:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> b) sin, yes; cos/time need to be defined
17:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> cos should be a 2-line implementation like sin
17:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> maybe time too
17:06 <philippeqc> is the string preserved to send it over the network?
17:06 -!- arctanx [i=inverse@124-168-233-79.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit ["(^^)/"]
17:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> I forget, probably not
17:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> probably not a good idea, either, since there might not have been a source string
17:07 <philippeqc> source?
17:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> I'd try using our regular network sync protocol
17:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> philippeqc: the vValue might have been constructed in C++
17:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> string parsing is for config files
17:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> not C++ code
17:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> primarily, anyhow
17:07 <philippeqc> ?!?!?!?
17:08 <philippeqc> your parser read a string a build a tree of tvalue, doesnt it?
17:08 <Luke-Jr_work__> no reason C++ code can't use new Sin(...)
17:08 <Luke-Jr_work__> yes
17:08 <philippeqc> so if I want to create the same tree, one solution should be to send the same string?
17:09 <Luke-Jr_work__> better to make vValue itself netsync'able
17:09 <[dlh]> Success! I have AA making an mpeg4 on OS X. The bad news is I get 4 fps doing it.
17:09 <[dlh]> a mpeg4*
17:09 <Luke-Jr_work__> [dlh]: video rendering is never meant to be realtime
17:09 <Luke-Jr_work__> [dlh]: use recordings
17:10 <philippeqc> vValue is under your wing at the moment
17:11 <wrtlprnft> back
17:11 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: well, take anything
17:11 <wrtlprnft> o <-- convex
17:12 <Luke-Jr_work__> philippeqc: eh, not really
17:12 <wrtlprnft> U <-- concave
17:12 <philippeqc> the u shape is convex
17:12 <philippeqc> o ok
17:12 <Luke-Jr_work__> philippeqc: I just split it up and wrote the parser and stuff
17:12 <philippeqc> !
17:12 <Luke-Jr_work__> I still don't know how I should merge your collection stuff really
17:12 <wrtlprnft> • <-- convex
17:13 <wrtlprnft> ♦ <-- convex
17:13 <Luke-Jr_work__> vValue is a very combined effort work
17:13 <wrtlprnft> ♡ <-- concave
17:13 <Luke-Jr_work__> currently, the knowledge of it spans between you, wrtl, and I
17:13 <wrtlprnft> ☽ <-- concave
17:14 <Luke-Jr_work__> if someone else adds netsync support, then there'll be 4 of us =p
17:14  * wrtlprnft doesn't know a lot about it anymore
17:14 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: I get funky chars
17:14 <philippeqc> â1/2
17:14 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: UTF-8...
17:14 <philippeqc> like that
17:14 <philippeqc> x-chat
17:14 <Luke-Jr_work__>  /charset utf8
17:14 <wrtlprnft> this is an utf-8 channel :P
17:14 <philippeqc> try again
17:14 <wrtlprnft> ☗ <-- convex
17:15 <wrtlprnft> ★ <-- concave
17:15 <philippeqc> ok
17:15 <wrtlprnft> ☽☾ <-- concave
17:15 <Luke-Jr_work__> ...
17:15 <wrtlprnft> ♦• <-- convex ;)
17:15 <Luke-Jr_work__> anyway, back to work =p
17:16 <wrtlprnft> ← <-- a real arrow ;)
17:16 <wrtlprnft> i'd use it more often, but i can't see it myself as it's missing in my font
17:16 <wrtlprnft> my console font, anyways
17:18 <wrtlprnft> ➤ ← another concave char ;)
17:19 <philippeqc> thanks wrt
17:20 <w-tree> ДЯМДТЯОП ← overdoing it
17:20 <philippeqc> lol
17:21 <w-tree> damn... I forgot the GЄ
17:21 <wrtlprnft> Why is  that overdoing it
17:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:21 <wrtlprnft> err
17:21 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:22 <w-tree> *puzzled* font changing ?!
17:22 <wrtlprnft> no
17:22 <wrtlprnft> look at unicode table 255
17:23 <wrtlprnft> extra-wide chars
17:24 <[dlh]> Is recording playback broken in trunk? I keep getting “Recording ends abruptly here, prepare for a crash!” right at the start.
17:24 <wrtlprnft> it can't be, really
17:24 <wrtlprnft> i made these movies just a few days ago
17:25 <[dlh]> hmm.
17:28 <wrtlprnft> that wasn't the latest trunk, but pretty recent
17:28 <wrtlprnft> there haven't been any engine changes anyays AFAIK
17:35 <[dlh]> VLC doesn't like Quicktimes mp4v codec… Let's try to find one that works.
17:50 -!- w-tree is now known as free-zombie
17:51 <philippeqc> w-zombie: just pick one will you
17:51  * free-zombie stops using w-tree
17:52 <philippeqc> ty
17:52 -!- You're now known as Lag
17:52 <Lag> wtf
17:52 -!- You're now known as LagsMyOnlyFoe
17:53 <LagsMyOnlyFoe> doesn't like ' in nicks
17:56 <philippeqc> humm, did some research about vector graphics
17:56 <philippeqc> i kinda do that already
17:57 <philippeqc> so, now what should I code? behind door #1, there is wrt that wants the zones to render themself on the mini-map. Behind door #2, there is the whole network synch thingy.
17:58 <philippeqc> forgot door #3: "texturing" the zone
17:58 <guru3> network
17:59 <philippeqc> but that mean I have to read AND understand luke's code.
17:59 <guru3> :/
18:00 <guru3> maybe something cool for single player
18:00 <LagsMyOnlyFoe> bitch at him until he does it himself?
18:00 <philippeqc> yeah, thats bound to give quick and well produce results!
18:01 <guru3> Oo
18:01 <guru3> the bitching or?
18:01 <LagsMyOnlyFoe> what Luke-Jr_work__'s gonna do
18:01  * philippeqc grabs my magic fairy wand and grants guru's wish. Poof! Single players have weird shaped zones and not network players
18:01 <philippeqc> dont know, he just said he wouldnt
18:02 <guru3> i mean to promote offline play
18:02 <philippeqc> I need to network sync the tValue
18:02 <LagsMyOnlyFoe> actually it wasn't meant to be done like that…
18:03 <LagsMyOnlyFoe> you were supposed to just send the formula over the network
18:03 <philippeqc> guru, before moving to something totally new, I'd like to close the zone thing
18:03 -!- You're now known as SpideySlapper
18:03  * SpideySlapper slaps spiderman 
18:03 -!- You're now known as wrtlprnft
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnft
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnf
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnft
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnf
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnft
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnf
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnft
18:04  * spiderman slaps wrtlprnf
18:04 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: so you too do think that sending the string around and requiring the parser to redo its job is the way to go
18:04 <guru3> just mentioned it since you weren't keen on the network bit
18:04 <spiderman> hmm
18:04 <wrtlprnft> /exec -o yes /me slaps spiderman 
18:04 <wrtlprnft> be careful or i'll actually run that one
18:04 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yeah
18:04 <philippeqc> oki
18:05 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: that makes it possible to design a new parser later if we want to
18:05 <philippeqc> oki
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18:05 <wrtlprnft> as long as it could understand the new syntax it would be backwars compatible
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18:05 <wrtlprnft> what?
18:05 <wrtlprnft> oh
18:05 <wrtlprnft> ty
18:05  * wrtlprnft hides
18:05 <philippeqc> do you foresee cases where the parsed tree would integrate in a already build tree (not from a tree)?
18:06 <wrtlprnft> uh
18:06 <philippeqc> like the gParser (map parser) start a tValue, and then under it, puts the result of a parsed string
18:07 <wrtlprnft> dunno
18:07 <philippeqc> k
18:09 <philippeqc> humm, can I fix that from my own (old) lil branch? I REALLY dont want to move my code to trunk, as it TOTALLY kill network code for zones.
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18:18 <spiderman> that's seriously not right
18:20 <Luke-Jr_work__> ...
18:21 <spiderman> * You have been kicked from #armagetron by guru3 (stop doing that) -- wrtlprnft does the samething -_-
18:22 <Luke-Jr_work__> ok so
18:22 <@guru3> spaming 5 lines multiple times
18:23 <spiderman> ya....
18:23 <spiderman> how you think "spideyslapper" has had 94 "abuses" towards me
18:23 <spiderman> anyways i have a washer/dryer/fridge/stove to move bbl
18:26 <philippeqc> #last --with=cMap.cpp --nolimit
18:26 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 9971 messages.
18:26 <philippeqc> #last --with=cMap --nolimit
18:26 <armabot> philippeqc: [18:26:09] <philippeqc> #last --with=cMap.cpp --nolimit
18:26 <philippeqc> #last --with=parser --nolimit
18:26 <armabot> philippeqc: [18:06:54] <philippeqc> like the gParser (map parser) start a tValue, and then under it, puts the result of a parsed string, [18:05:06] <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: that makes it possible to design a new parser later if we want to, [18:04:14] <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: so you too do think that sending the string around and requiring the parser to redo its job is the way to go, [17:12:28] <Luke-Jr_work__> (2 more messages)
18:27 <philippeqc> #last --with=156 --nolimit
18:27 <armabot> philippeqc: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 9982 messages.
18:27 <spiderman> #last --nolimit --with 156
18:27 <armabot> spiderman: [18:27:06] <philippeqc> #last --with=156 --nolimit
18:27 <spiderman> O.o
18:27 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: do you recall the line with the example you gave me yesterday
18:27 <philippeqc> #last --with cMap --nolimit
18:27 <armabot> philippeqc: [18:26:17] <philippeqc> #last --with=cMap --nolimit and [18:26:09] <philippeqc> #last --with=cMap.cpp --nolimit
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18:28 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr_work__: how do I call your parser?
18:28 <madmax|pt> hello
18:29 <Luke-Jr_work__> philippeqc: rtfs?
18:30 <philippeqc> yeah, but I dont know WHERE to start
18:30 <Luke-Jr_work__> vValue::Parser::parse?
18:30 <Luke-Jr_work__> something like that
18:30 <Luke-Jr_work__> tools/values/parser.h
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18:34 <philippeqc> luke, beside moving files, have you made big changes in the last few weeks?
18:36 <Luke-Jr_work__> nope
18:36 <Luke-Jr_work__> been busy w/ stuff =p
18:36 <Luke-Jr_work__> and the split wasn't merely moving stuff
18:36 <philippeqc> perfect! then I can address that from withing my branch
18:36 <Luke-Jr_work__> the API changed too
19:21 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: for parsing stuff look at cWidgetBase.cpp, search for “Value”
19:21 <philippeqc> yep, found it
19:21 <philippeqc> but I'm struggling with a bigger desing prob
19:21 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: function declarations are in veMath or something
19:21 <wrtlprnft> :)
19:22 <philippeqc> the parser "consume" the string and only return some tvalue
19:22 <philippeqc> so I'd need to store the string on the side
19:23 <philippeqc> which sound like a bad idea
19:23 <DrJoeTron> spiderman ping
19:23 <philippeqc> but hacking the tValue to also hold the creating string sound even worst
19:23 <wrtlprnft> what about a function that turns a tValue tree into a formula? ;)
19:23 <wrtlprnft> sounds most logic to me
19:23 <wrtlprnft> just have it make lots and lots of brackets
19:24 <philippeqc> F!
19:24 <philippeqc> humm, I think I'll store the string and let someone else write formulas
19:24 <philippeqc> ;)
19:24 <philippeqc> it is a good idea, just a bit more time intensive than what I first expected
19:25 <philippeqc> humm, how would you reverse a "callback" to its name... 
19:34 <wrtlprnft> hmm yeah
19:37 <philippeqc> I'm saving a copy in the zone shape. Tahts the only place that will need to communicate it for now, and when ever we get a new implementation, the network part will already be fixed
19:37 <wrtlprnft> stupid question:
19:37 <wrtlprnft> how do i find a google video i uploaded
19:37 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:38 <philippeqc> you can upload videos to google???
19:38 <wrtlprnft> sure
19:38 <wrtlprnft> videos.google.com
19:40 <philippeqc> humm, it requires a plugin I dont have to play them. darn linux 64!
19:40 <spiderman> what joe?
19:41 <DrJoeTron> you in the ts server?
19:41 <spiderman> no
19:41 <DrJoeTron> O_o
19:41 <spiderman> i'm moving the kitchen to the living room and the living room to the kitchen
19:41 <spiderman> putting tiles down and outdoor carpet
19:41 <spiderman> -_-
19:41 <philippeqc> http://video.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=26567&topic=8692
19:42 <DrJoeTron> haha sound slike youve got your work cut out for you
19:42 <philippeqc> http://video.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=8692
19:42 <spiderman> why the fuck old people wanna move the house to the other end
19:42 <philippeqc> second one is better
19:42 <spiderman> and back again
19:42 <spiderman> tis gay :|
19:42 <spiderman> DrJoeTron, you're coming to help
19:42  * spiderman stopped for a smoke break O.o
19:42 <DrJoeTron> sweet
19:42 <philippeqc> Homophobia is soooo gay!
19:43 <spiderman> so is joe
19:43 <philippeqc> Homophobia is soooo gay!
19:43 <DrJoeTron> im quite happy today ;)
19:43 <wrtlprnft> uh, spiderman rejoined? aww
19:43 <philippeqc> good answer
19:44 <spiderman> ....
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19:52 <spiderman> ....
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19:53 <wrtlprnft> …
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19:55 <wrtlprnft> spiderman: don't wanna join?
19:55 <wrtlprnft> laving is fun, believe me
19:55 <wrtlprnft> *leaving
19:55 <spiderman> did you hit your head?
19:56 <wrtlprnft> yeah. Did you? that's fun too
19:56 <wrtlprnft> use a big hammer
19:56 <philippeqc> or that think you use to make pie crust
19:57 <philippeqc> meat tenderiser leave an intreaging pattern! quite a conversation peice.
19:58 <wrtlprnft> try arranging a 500kg safe to hit you falling from a 5th–floor window
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19:59 <philippeqc> or organise to have an airplaine drop a penny on your head from ~5km
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20:00 <wrtlprnft> wouldn't hurt a lot :(
20:00 <philippeqc> not until it touches you
20:00 <wrtlprnft> still wouldn't
20:00 <wrtlprnft> terminal velocity of a penny in air is too small and the penny too light
20:01 <philippeqc> you need to consult your urban legends... from the cn tower its supposed to reach a terminal velocity high enough to go through you
20:01 <wrtlprnft> maybe if you somehow manage to have it falling exactly vertically
20:01 <philippeqc> recall that the penny has quite a density there
20:02 <spiderman> a penny dropped out of a plane going about 300 +/- kmh would hurt
20:02 <wrtlprnft> tin foil has quite a high density too
20:02 <philippeqc> how fast do bullets travel?
20:02 <wrtlprnft> and it won't hurt you either
20:02 <spiderman> if you smash it
20:02 <spiderman> normal foil will just float
20:03 <philippeqc> let call the myth busters!
20:03 <spiderman> #g speed of bullets
20:03 <wrtlprnft> they did that already.
20:03 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:03 <spiderman> :D
20:03 <philippeqc> o
20:03 <wrtlprnft> spiderman: normal foil does have a high density
20:03 <spiderman> but if you just break a sheet off it'll float in the air
20:03 <philippeqc> its just that foil has way too much area for the mass
20:04 <spiderman> you have to crumble it into a ball
20:04 <wrtlprnft> http://www.gantless.com/paper.html
20:05 <wrtlprnft> i'm just saying that a high density always means a high terminal velocity
20:05 <wrtlprnft> > CONCLUSION: Reject the hypothesis and instead accept that a penny falling at terminal velocity will not kill a person. After reviewing the table of terminal velocities, a penny may fall faster than a Ping-Pong ball, but certainly not any faster than a basketball. These terminal velocities convert to about 20-45 mph (32-72 kph). This may cause a bit of a sting, but it is not going to kill a person. For further confirmation, Dennis Thompson tells about dropping pennies in a vacuum [5]. He says the pennies simply bounce several feet high, but the impact leaves no visible marks on the penny. Although the fall from the Empire State Building is three times that of the vacuum chamber, a penny certainly will not fall faster in air than in this chamber thus making pennies non-lethal.
20:05 <spiderman> not a sheet of tin foil
20:05 <wrtlprnft> that's about pennies
20:06 <wrtlprnft> that a sheet of tin foil isn't gonna kill anyone should be obvious.
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20:06 <spiderman> a basketball would hurt more than a penny though
20:07  * spiderman knows that much
20:07 <wrtlprnft> well, that's what that text is saying
20:08 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: so dropping a penny onto spidey from whatever height is a bad idea
20:08 <philippeqc> should the shape of a polygon zone be allowed to change? I mean beside scaling, rotation, and deplacing its center, to like move one of the corners of a triangle
20:08 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:09 <wrtlprnft> make them all tValues!
20:09 <wrtlprnft> ;)
20:09 <philippeqc> they are, but I'd need to save the expression string of all of them and send it over the network...
20:09 <spiderman> philippeqc, 1000mph
20:09 <philippeqc> ok
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20:10 <spiderman> though i'd think the amount of grain in the shell would make it faster or slower
20:10 <wrtlprnft> grain?
20:10 <spiderman> gunpowder?
20:10 <wrtlprnft> like, wheat?
20:10 <philippeqc> shotgun shot I'd guess, or powder
20:10 <wrtlprnft> it depends on the type of gun, probably
20:10 <spiderman> muskets use grain
20:11 <philippeqc> and gangs use muskets
20:11 <spiderman> no
20:11 <spiderman> it depends on the shell
20:11 <philippeqc> drive by musket shooting!
20:11 <spiderman> the more gunpowder the faster
20:11 <spiderman> and the more kick it has O.o
20:11 <spiderman> if you've ever bought bullets read the box
20:12 <spiderman> it'll say something like "grain level"
20:12 <wrtlprnft> i'm pretty sure that if you use so much gunpowder the bullet doesn't fit into the gun anymore its speed will be rather slow
20:12  * wrtlprnft never bought a box of bullets
20:12 <philippeqc> I can imagine the movie scene. Comes in your stereopical gang member in a bank, pulls a musket from his pants and start to shout "this is a hold up"
20:12  * wrtlprnft doesn't live in crazy america where everyone bears a gun
20:12 <spiderman> ugh
20:12 <spiderman> the bullet's shape doesn't change
20:13 <spiderman> the shell can be shorter or longer aslong as it fits in the chamber
20:13 <spiderman> just like you can fire a .45 bullet from a 357
20:14  * wrtlprnft isn't interested about gun details
20:14 <philippeqc> fires one shot, goes to his knee, pull the long brush, clean his musket, rip open a pack of powder between his teeth, put the powder in, put the ball in, put the paper, use the other side of the brush to pack it deep, then continue "if you all cooperate, nobody will get hurt"
20:14 <wrtlprnft> it's bad enough they work.
20:15 <philippeqc> agrees with wrt.
20:15 <spiderman> guns don't kill people
20:15 <spiderman> morons do
20:15 <wrtlprnft> oh, really.
20:15 <spiderman> it takes someone to pull the trigger doesn't it?
20:15 <philippeqc> atomic bombs dont kill people
20:16 <philippeqc> antrax doesnt kill people
20:16 <spiderman> no the government does
20:16 <spiderman> :D
20:16 <spiderman> anthrax is different
20:16 <spiderman> it doesn't need something to set it off
20:16 <wrtlprnft> well, the fact that spiderman bought a box of bullets makes me happy i'm nowhere near him
20:16 <philippeqc> someone must open the fial
20:17 <wrtlprnft> otherwise i'd have to live in fear
20:17 <wrtlprnft> a moron could kill me with spiderman's gun
20:17 <spiderman> i live in the country
20:17 <spiderman> a tree would stop the bullet before it even got close to a house
20:17 <spiderman> besides i went through gun training when i was  in 5th grade
20:17 <philippeqc> make me so warm and fuzzy about taking walks in the woods
20:18 <spiderman> your fault :p
20:18  * philippeqc goes back to haking code rather than talking guns
20:18 <wrtlprnft> spiderman: well, the problem is that there's probably ways you and your gun could get close to a nearby house, avoiding the trees
20:18 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: good idea.
20:18 <philippeqc> ty
20:18 <spiderman> wrtlprnft, i didn't say i shoot towards the woods did i?
20:19 <philippeqc> so, the points of a polygon. expression or not?
20:19 <spiderman> i said a tree would stop the bullet
20:19 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: leave it at coords for now, but make sure you make it easy to make it tValues later
20:19 <wrtlprnft> if needed
20:19 <philippeqc> they are already tValues::expr I just realised
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20:44 <wrtlprnft> >>> Emerging (1 of 853) sys-libs/zlib-1.2.3 to /
20:45 <wrtlprnft> why do i have the feeling this is gonna take a while?
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20:49 <spidey> #g 5120000bytes in MB
20:49 <armabot> 5,120,000 bytes = 4.8828125 megabytes
20:49 <spidey> #g 5120000kbytes in MB
20:49 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:49 <spidey> #g 5120000KB in MB
20:49 <armabot> 5,120,000 kilobytes = 5,000 megabytes
20:50 <spidey> heh
20:50 <wrtlprnft> 5120000KB are NOT 5000MB
20:50 <wrtlprnft> 5120000KB are 5120MB, period.
20:51 <spidey> ...
20:51 <wrtlprnft> 1 MB = 1000 KB
20:51 <spidey> no
20:51 <wrtlprnft> 1 MiB = 1024 KiB
20:51 <spidey> 1mb = 1024kb
20:51 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:51 <wrtlprnft> no, they aren't
20:51 <spidey> either way it's the conversion i need -_-
20:52 <wrtlprnft> well, because google is wrong
20:52 <spidey> #g 6,000MB in KB
20:52 <armabot> 6,000 megabytes = 6,144,000 kilobytes
20:52 <wrtlprnft> #g 6000MiB in KiB
20:52 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
20:52 <wrtlprnft> Google's calculator should be shot.
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20:54 <spidey> 1 Byte = 8 Bit
20:54 <spidey> 1 Kilobyte = 1024 Bytes
20:54 <spidey> 1 Megabyte = 1048576 Bytes
20:54 <spidey> 1 Gigabyte = 1073741824 Bytes
20:54 <spidey> http://webdeveloper.earthweb.com/repository/javascripts/2001/04/41291/byteconverter.htm
20:55 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte
20:55 <wrtlprnft> 1 SI kilobyte = 1000 bytes
20:55 <Luke-Jr_work__> no
20:56 <Luke-Jr_work__> Google's calculator is right
20:56 <wrtlprnft> 1 IEC 60027-2 KiB = 1024 bytes
20:56 <spidey> Luke-Jr,  agrees with me? O.o
20:56 <Luke-Jr_work__> 1024 bytes is 1 KB
20:56 <wrtlprnft> no
20:56 <Luke-Jr_work__> yes
20:56 <wrtlprnft> in popular usuage by jerks maybe
20:56 <wrtlprnft> not in SI
20:57  * wrtlprnft refers to the table in the above link
20:57 <Luke-Jr_work__> since KB existed
20:57 <wrtlprnft> they should have always been called KiB
20:57 <Luke-Jr_work__> nonsense
20:57 <wrtlprnft> if you bother to look at what wget outputs you'd see it consequently uses KiB and MiB
20:58 <Luke-Jr_work__> they should have been hex tho
20:58 <Luke-Jr_work__> wget is wrong then
20:58 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byte 
20:58 <Luke-Jr_work__> it's also wrong
20:58 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix#Binary_prefixes_using_SI_symbols_.28non-standard.2C_but_common.29
20:59 <wrtlprnft> 1 KB being 1000 bytes is NOT a standard
20:59 <Luke-Jr_work__> exactly
20:59 <wrtlprnft> there you go
20:59 <wrtlprnft> err
21:00 <wrtlprnft> 1 KB being 1024 bytes is NOT a standard
21:00 <spidey> lmao
21:00 <wrtlprnft> x_X typo
21:00 <wrtlprnft> >…many continue to use the SI prefixes in a binary sense, despite the lack of support from official bodies
21:01 <Luke-Jr_work__> SI is a bug
21:01 <Luke-Jr_work__> KB etc are not SI origin
21:01 <wrtlprnft> the prefixes K, M, G etc are
21:01 <Luke-Jr_work__> doesn't matter
21:01 <wrtlprnft> does
21:02 <spidey> isn't that weight?
21:02 <Luke-Jr_work__> nope
21:02 <spidey> kili mili and gram?
21:02 <wrtlprnft> what's weight?
21:02 <Luke-Jr_work__> SI should never have existed
21:02 <wrtlprnft> one kilogram is mass
21:02 <wrtlprnft> one newton is weight x_X
21:02 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_work__: ?
21:02 <Luke-Jr_work__> SI is a flawed concept
21:02 <spidey> .....
21:02 <wrtlprnft> …
21:02 <Luke-Jr_work__> it is based on decimal
21:02 <wrtlprnft> so what?
21:02 <Luke-Jr_work__> decimal sucks
21:02 <wrtlprnft> that's what numbers are commonly written in
21:03 <Luke-Jr_work__> irrelevant
21:03 <wrtlprnft> sucks if you wanna convert it to binary maybe
21:03 <Luke-Jr_work__> sucks for anything
21:03 <wrtlprnft> well, what's so special about hex then?
21:03 <spidey> hmm
21:03 <Luke-Jr_work__> it's logical
21:03 <spidey> Luke-Jr, does cpanel handle disk quato?
21:03 <wrtlprnft> what's logical about it?
21:03 <spidey> quota
21:03 <Luke-Jr_work__> spidey: handle how?
21:03 <spidey> Disk quotas for user acid (uid 32009): 
21:03 <spidey>      Filesystem  blocks   quota   limit   grace   files   quota   limit   grace
21:03 <spidey>       /dev/hda2 1112428  5120000 5120000            2150       0       0        
21:03 <Luke-Jr_work__> wrtlprnft: it's a power of 2
21:03 <spidey> that's in my cpanel dir
21:03 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_work__: so what?
21:04 <Luke-Jr_work__> wrtlprnft: never mind
21:04 <wrtlprnft> it would be entirely possible to base a computer on three different states
21:04 <wrtlprnft> then you'd need powers of 3
21:04 <Luke-Jr_work__> so? still doesn't get you 10
21:04 <wrtlprnft> a system of 27 maybe
21:04 <wrtlprnft> i'm just saying there's no point in preferring any base
21:04 <wrtlprnft> and as 10 is what people are most likely to deal with it's being used. period.
21:05 <Luke-Jr_work__> please tell me what 100/8 is, and explain why it can't be simple
21:05 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:05 <Luke-Jr_work__> halving is an easier operation
21:05 <Luke-Jr_work__> divide a space into 10, or divide it into 8
21:05 <wrtlprnft> in base 10.
21:05 <Luke-Jr_work__> dividing it into 8 will be more accurate
21:05 <wrtlprnft> in base ten dividing by 2 is easy
21:05 <wrtlprnft> in base 9 it isn't
21:05 <Luke-Jr_work__> hardly
21:06 <wrtlprnft> ten is two times 5
21:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> so/
21:06 <wrtlprnft> so naturally dividing by 2 and 5 is easy
21:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> draw a square
21:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> and divide it in 10 exact pieces
21:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> on paper
21:06 <wrtlprnft> ?
21:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> then try 8 or 16 exact pieces
21:06 <Luke-Jr_work__> and see which is more accurate
21:06 <wrtlprnft> i half the square
21:07 <wrtlprnft> then take fifths of each half
21:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> ok, do it
21:07 <Luke-Jr_work__> http://www.intuitor.com/hex/switch.html
21:08 <Luke-Jr_work__> there's a Java app as part of the examples
21:08 <wrtlprnft> where's my camera? :o
21:09 <spidey> where's httpd.conf stored?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> /etc
21:09 <wrtlprnft> or /etc/apache2
21:09 <wrtlprnft> find /etc -name httpd.conf
21:09 <Luke-Jr_work__> locate httpd.conf
21:09 <spidey> doesn't work :p
21:10 <spidey> i don't have root so i can't updatedb
21:10 <spidey> acid@server [~]# find /etc -name httpd.conf
21:10 <spidey> acid@server [~]#
21:11 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_work__: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/lukebs.jpg
21:11 <spidey> lol
21:12 <wrtlprnft> didn't use a ruler
21:12 <Luke-Jr_work__> looks pretty inaccurate ;)
21:12 <wrtlprnft> hence they're probably not EXACTLY equeal
21:12 <spidey> i'd hope not
21:12 <spidey> lol
21:12 <Luke-Jr_work__> EVEN W/ THE GUIDES =P
21:12 <wrtlprnft> well, wouldn't have been any different with 8 pieces
21:13 <wrtlprnft> i just can't draw straight dashed lines
21:13 <spidey> i'm confused
21:13 <Luke-Jr_work__> who said dashed?
21:13 <spidey> Server version: Apache/1.3.36 (Unix)
21:13 <Luke-Jr_work__> now take the Java test
21:13 <spidey> there's no httpd.conf
21:14 <Luke-Jr_work__> ancient apache ve
21:14 <spidey> find: httpd.conf: No such file or directory
21:14 <Luke-Jr_work__> r
21:14 <Luke-Jr_work__> ...
21:14 <Luke-Jr_work__> find /etc -name httpd.conf
21:14 <spidey> it's not there
21:14 <spidey> i'm looking in /etc
21:14 <spidey> there's not a /apache either
21:14 <spidey> host.conf is the only "h" in /etc
21:15 <wrtlprnft> well
21:15 <spidey> Luke-Jr_work__, you have ssh to the server look for yourself :p
21:15 <wrtlprnft> obviously you get more pixel errors with 5 lines than with 2
21:15 <wrtlprnft> i can make such a test too
21:15 <wrtlprnft> a) divide into 5 equeal parts
21:15 <wrtlprnft> b) divide into 2048 equeal parts
21:15 <wrtlprnft> see where you get less error
21:16 <Luke-Jr_work__> b) divide into 8 equal parts
21:17 <Luke-Jr_work__> b will be more accurate
21:18 <wrtlprnft> anyways, base 10 can be written with out current system without a risk of mixing it up with words
21:19 <wrtlprnft> 170ants vs aaants
21:20 <wrtlprnft> *with out current system
21:21 <spidey> i want a yottabyte ;o
21:21 <spidey> #g 1YB in MB
21:21 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:21 <spidey> ?
21:22 <spidey> #g 1 EB in MB
21:22 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:22 <spidey> #g 1 yottabyte in MB
21:22 <armabot> 1 yottabyte = 1.1529215 * 10^(18) megabytes
21:22 <spidey> O.o
21:22 <wrtlprnft> wrong, once again
21:23 <spidey> #g 1.1529215 * 10^(18)
21:23 <armabot> 1.1529215 * (10^18) = 1.1529215 * 10^(18)
21:23 <spidey> ...
21:23 <Luke-Jr_work__> its right =p
21:23 <wrtlprnft> if google loves base 16 so much, why shouldn't it say 1 yottabyte = 1*16^15 megabytes?
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21:24 <Luke-Jr_work__> byte units aren't base 16
21:24 <wrtlprnft> or actually, 1*10^F megabytes?
21:25 <wrtlprnft> or 1*10^10010 megabytes?
21:25 <Luke-Jr_work__> 2^10
21:25 <Luke-Jr_work__> 2^20
21:25 <Luke-Jr_work__> etc
21:25 <wrtlprnft> 2^10?
21:25 <wrtlprnft> why 10?
21:25 <wrtlprnft> why not 16 or 8?
21:25 <Luke-Jr_work__> 2^10 is a KB
21:25 <wrtlprnft> why?
21:26 <philippeqc> because it falls so close
21:26 <wrtlprnft> (btw, kilo = greek/latin word for a thousand)
21:26 <Luke-Jr_work__> cuz that's what it's defined as
21:26 <wrtlprnft> a kilo is defined as 1000
21:26 <wrtlprnft> not as something close to it
21:26 <wrtlprnft> as 1000 exactly.
21:26 <Luke-Jr_work__> btw, pedophile is good if you don't deviate from roots
21:26 <Luke-Jr_work__> English is not greek/latin
21:26 <wrtlprnft> if Luke-Jr_work__ doesn't care about human history in base 10, why does he care about being close to 1000?
21:26 <philippeqc> 'cause its hard to make 1000 byte chip, and easy (ier) to make 1024 bytes chip
21:27 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i know that
21:27 <Luke-Jr_work__> wrtlprnft: I don't. KB should be 4096
21:27 <Luke-Jr_work__> but KB *is* 1024
21:27 <wrtlprnft> KB *is not* 1024
21:27 <wrtlprnft> period
21:27 <Luke-Jr_work__> it is
21:27 <wrtlprnft> SI defined it first.
21:27 <Luke-Jr_work__> nope
21:27 <spidey> isn't SI metric?
21:27 <philippeqc> its an abuse on notation
21:27 <Luke-Jr_work__> more or less
21:27 <wrtlprnft> 1960…
21:27 <Luke-Jr_work__> 1960 defined KB?
21:28 <Luke-Jr_work__> I doubt it
21:28 <wrtlprnft> SI was created 1960
21:28 <Luke-Jr_work__> KB wasn't part of SI originally, I'd bet
21:28 <philippeqc> SI comes from the 1800 (not directly), when the french during the revolution changed their system
21:28 <wrtlprnft> the prefix kilo was defined
21:28 <Luke-Jr_work__> so?
21:28 <wrtlprnft> with it all kilo*something*
21:28 <Luke-Jr_work__> nah
21:28 <wrtlprnft> kilo–apples
21:29 <wrtlprnft> kilo–grams
21:29 <wrtlprnft> kilo–anything
21:29 <Luke-Jr_work__> anyway
21:29 <Luke-Jr_work__> like I said, SI should never have existed
21:29 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: if your an engineer making chip, and you talk with your cooworkers about that 1024 bytes of memory (in the 1960/70)
21:29 <wrtlprnft> 1000 should never have existed
21:29 <philippeqc> its easy to describe it at 1k rather than always say 1024
21:29 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: you should talk about 1 KiB
21:30 <wrtlprnft> don't tell me that extra i causes trouble.
21:30 <philippeqc> Ki?
21:30 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:30 <Luke-Jr_work__> 1024 had KB first
21:30 <philippeqc> what is Ki
21:30 <Luke-Jr_work__> SI can use KiloB =p
21:30 <spidey> kibibyte
21:31 <philippeqc> o
21:31 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefixes#IEC_standard_prefixes
21:31 <wrtlprnft> btw IEC is NOT SI
21:32 <spidey> ....
21:33 <wrtlprnft> i'm not saying hex would have been a bad idea
21:34 <Luke-Jr_work__> use ΔΣΨΩλμ as additional digits for hex wrtlprnft=p
21:34 <wrtlprnft> suuure
21:34 <wrtlprnft> poor greek people
21:34 <Luke-Jr_work__> or use totally new digits
21:34 <Luke-Jr_work__> that make sense
21:34 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_work__: well, if anyone's gonna switch to hex…
21:34 <wrtlprnft> i bet the americans will be the last to do it
21:34 <wrtlprnft> same as with SI
21:34 <wrtlprnft> the world uses SI
21:35 <Luke-Jr_work__> Americans already use hex for some units ;)
21:35 <wrtlprnft> the americans use their weird system
21:35 <philippeqc> I say we should have stayed with a base 12 or 60,
21:35 <Luke-Jr_work__> fluid measurements
21:35 <Luke-Jr_work__> actually
21:35 <Luke-Jr_work__> that's binary, not hex
21:36 <philippeqc> with base 12, you can count to 144 with both hands. beats the "counting to 20 without socks on "
21:36 <Luke-Jr_work__> how do you count in base 12 with hands?
21:36 <wrtlprnft> with base 2 you can count to 1024
21:36 <Luke-Jr_work__> you can get to 35 with base 6...
21:36 <wrtlprnft> err
21:37 <wrtlprnft> 1023
21:37 <Luke-Jr_work__> and 1023 w/ base 2
21:37 <Luke-Jr_work__> yeah
21:37 <philippeqc> use your tumb to count the "fallenges" of your fingers... 12 of them per hand
21:37 <wrtlprnft> you can do it like the japanese
21:37 <Luke-Jr_work__> philippeqc: I have a test for you
21:37 <wrtlprnft> have the numbers mean something different depending if you hold your hand upright or upside down
21:37 <Luke-Jr_work__> count to 4 in binary on your hands
21:37 <Luke-Jr_work__> then keep your hands on 4
21:37 <Luke-Jr_work__> and go outside and wave the 4 around
21:38  * wrtlprnft counts
21:38 <Luke-Jr_work__> then do the same for 132
21:38 <wrtlprnft> 1: his thumb
21:38 <wrtlprnft> 2: his other thumb
21:38 <wrtlprnft> 3: the first thumb
21:38 <philippeqc> Luke-Jr_work__: despite your small time jokes, base 12 (finger counting) was used way before base 10 (finger counting)
21:38 <wrtlprnft> 4: both thumbs
21:39 <wrtlprnft> err
21:39 <wrtlprnft> 1: his thumb
21:39 <wrtlprnft> 2: his other thumb
21:39 <wrtlprnft> 3: both thumbs
21:39 <wrtlprnft> 4: the index finger on the hand with the first thumb
21:39 <wrtlprnft> no problem there…
21:39 <Luke-Jr_work__> =p
21:39 <philippeqc> 12 is dividable by 1,2,3,4,6,12. 10 is by 1,2,5,10.
21:40  * wrtlprnft notes that 16 is REALLY incredibly boring
21:40 <philippeqc> ;)
21:40 <wrtlprnft> divisible by 1,2,4,16
21:40 <philippeqc> 8
21:40 <wrtlprnft> o well
21:40 <wrtlprnft> if you like
21:40 <philippeqc> ;)
21:40 <philippeqc> I'm that kind of person
21:40 <wrtlprnft> i wouldn't mind any system if it's the way we write down numbers
21:41 <wrtlprnft> as basically everyone is grown up writing down numbers in base 10 and is most comfortable that way, base 10 is the way to go for units
21:41 <philippeqc> of course, you have to assume everybody would use a base 12 system, kids would learn to count like that, etc... Just like we do with 10 today
21:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:42 <wrtlprnft> but this isn't gonna happen soon
21:42 <wrtlprnft> and as I said, the last place it's gonna happen is the US
21:42 <philippeqc> the french/SI idea to have all the units a multible of the base is also very good. Simplify a lots of things
21:43 <philippeqc> yep, the only place where they keep getting guns to protect themsefl agains the king of england (even thought there havent in quite some years), they still use the imperial system. ;)
21:43 <spidey> Luke-Jr_work__, 
21:44 <spidey> you know you got 2 of those test servers running with the password in the options thingy?
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21:48 <wrtlprnft> see, i usually …dislike… the french language for being too complex and causing me to almost fail a grade
21:48 <wrtlprnft> but SI is a good thing.
21:49 <philippeqc> they where quite.... ---hummm--- inspired after the revolution. Even renamed the days, weeks and months. 
21:50 <philippeqc> french has its complexity, but I can read texte from ~1000 and still understand. 
21:51 <philippeqc> sorry, ~1170
21:52 <wrtlprnft> they never went to make it easier x_X
21:52 <Luke-Jr_work__> spidey: only 1 running, don't ask me why it's on the list twice
21:52 <Luke-Jr_work__> I think
21:53 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr_work__: anyways, for that hexcloc thing, why divide time into days?
21:53 <wrtlprnft> *hexclock
21:54 <wrtlprnft> it's completely abitraray
21:54 <wrtlprnft> it would be way more convinient to measure time in some constant thingy
21:55 <wrtlprnft> for example measure it in vibrations of an atom of Cesium–133
21:58 <philippeqc> kick ass, just found a pdf copy of the frist french (and first breton) dictionary! originally written in 1464, that copy is an edition from 1499
21:58 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:58 <Luke-Jr_work__> wrtlprnft: it is
21:58 <Luke-Jr_work__> I think
21:59 <wrtlprnft> is what?
21:59 <wrtlprnft> is sucky?
21:59 <wrtlprnft> the rotation speed of earth isn't constant btw, and thus not a good thing to base a unit on
22:00 <Luke-Jr_work__> time isn't constant =p
22:01 <philippeqc> i read a story that the kilo is still not defined, it is compared. There is a reference 5 kilo, made of platinum, kept (and thats the good part) in a safe in some french castle. When I heard that, I though, "darn, it be really fun to go and steal it James Bond style"
22:01 <wrtlprnft> in newton's system it is
22:02 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: there is a master kilogram in france somewhere…
22:02 <philippeqc> yes
22:02 <wrtlprnft> and it's slowly losing mass
22:02 <philippeqc> they are having problem, because it is evaporating and loosing mass
22:02 <philippeqc> oups, same comment
22:03 <wrtlprnft> so in fact kilograms are hit by inflation!
22:03 <wrtlprnft> buy kilograms now, have more later!
22:03 <philippeqc> lol
22:03 <philippeqc> think of it, braking into a castle, dodging some security system, and grabbing THE LAST reference unit! 
22:05 <wrtlprnft> what about we just base the unit of a kilogram on a certain number of c13 atoms in diamond form?
22:05 <wrtlprnft> makes more sense to me
22:05 <philippeqc> yep, they are talking about making a definition out of it
22:06 <wrtlprnft> mol should be taken out os SI anyways.
22:06 <wrtlprnft> it just isn't a unit
22:06 <wrtlprnft> it's a f*** number!
22:06 <philippeqc> humm, been too long for that one.
22:07 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:07 <philippeqc> they must have based that one on some reason
22:07 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 mol in atoms
22:07 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:07 <wrtlprnft> #g avodadro's number
22:07 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:07 <wrtlprnft> #g avogadro's number
22:07 <armabot> Avogadro's number = 6.0221415 * 10^(23)
22:07 <wrtlprnft> there ya go, that's number!
22:07 <wrtlprnft> #g 1 mol
22:07 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:07 <wrtlprnft> google doesn't even know it
22:08 <philippeqc> I dont think you can remove it.
22:08 <philippeqc> a gram molecule is a mole of the molecules:
22:08 <philippeqc> y grams of a molecule whose relative molecular mass is y, will contain 6.022 x 1023 molecules.
22:09 <wrtlprnft> i still don't get it
22:09 <philippeqc> so that mean you have 1 mole H1 for 1 gram 
22:10 <philippeqc> H1 == Hydrogen 1
22:10 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i know
22:10 <philippeqc> 1 proton 
22:10 <wrtlprnft> but it still doesn't make it a unit to me
22:10 <wrtlprnft> it's a special number
22:10 <philippeqc> well, gram is (mesured not defined) and you cant change that, so much much H1 in 1 gram of H1 ==> 1 mole
22:11 <wrtlprnft> btw, 1 gram of H1 is not 1 mole x_X
22:11 <wrtlprnft> it's actually less
22:12 <wrtlprnft> the proton in H1 has more energy than the protons and neutrons in C12
22:12 <philippeqc> on earth, in average, 1 mol Hydrogen is about 1.02 gram 'cause of isotopes. but if you clean it up and get only H1, then thats the 1g
22:12 <wrtlprnft> *than each of the protons and neutrons
22:12 <wrtlprnft> #g mass of 1 mol hydrogen
22:12 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
22:12 <wrtlprnft> look at any periodic table
22:13 <wrtlprnft> like wikipedia or kalzium
22:14 <philippeqc> "The basis for the number named after Avogadro is the number of atoms of 12Carbon in 12 grams of 12Carbon."
22:14 <wrtlprnft> 1 atom of H1 has a mass of 1.00782 mol^-1 g
22:14 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: yeah
22:15 <wrtlprnft> but that doesn't mean 13 grams of 13Carbon will have the same number of atoms
22:15 <wrtlprnft> 1 atom of 12C weigs 12 mol^(-1)g
22:16 <wrtlprnft> 1 atom of 13C weigs 13.0034 mol^(-1)g
22:16 <wrtlprnft> s/weighs/has a mass of/g
22:16 <philippeqc> humm
22:17 <wrtlprnft> it's all e=mc² man ;)
22:18 <philippeqc> well, hummm, haaaa, let blame it on the freemasons
22:19 <wrtlprnft> o_O
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22:22 <Vanhayes> rpig's new server is intense
22:22 <Vanhayes> er pig's*
22:22 <wrtlprnft> which one?
22:22 <Vanhayes> the combo of all the old mods
22:23 <Vanhayes> well not nw server but ne mod
22:23 <Vanhayes> new*
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22:36 <madmax|pt> hi
22:36 <philippeqc> hi
22:38 <spidey> fsfjsl;kdjfl;ksjdflk;sjdf
22:39 <Your_mom_arma> hey
22:39 <Vanhayes> hello
22:39 <wrtlprnft> this community hates any change really
22:39 <Your_mom_arma> #m wrtlprnft yeah
22:39 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
22:39 <Your_mom_arma> heh
22:40 <Vanhayes> I love change myself
22:40 <Vanhayes> I love change, myself would be better actually
22:40 <wrtlprnft> #leter tell *mom* well, it was because you used player data in the top widget. you shouldn't do that anyways
22:40 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *mom* well, it was because you used player data in the top widget. you shouldn't do that anyways
22:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:41 <Your_mom_arma> #m wrtlprnft detail it in the wiki so i dont do it twice
22:41 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: The operation succeeded.
22:41 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *mom* i wouldn't be surprised if it was already there…
22:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:42 <Your_mom_arma> i barely know what im doing
22:42 <wrtlprnft> >Finally all gauges support the viewport attribute. Possible values are "top" and "all", the latter being the default. "top" means that the widget will be rendered on top of the screen, "all" means it will be rendered for every player in multiplayer mode. Some data sources are only available in "all" mode, but you might not want a separate map for each player, so choose "top" then.
22:42 <Your_mom_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=90181#90181
22:42 <wrtlprnft> some sources are not available in “all” mode ← crash
22:42 <Vanhayes> hmm for some reason when ever someone talks in here armagetron skips
22:43 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i think i should make a better replacement for #armaservers
22:44 <Your_mom_arma> arma uses 100%cpu + recieving irc client packets so im not suprised it hiccups
22:44 <spidey> ?
22:45 <spidey> arma runs fine on a 1ghz pc
22:45 <spidey> with irc firefox yahoo and msn running
22:45 <MaZuffeR> this is only to make van lag
22:45 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins.Web.fetch.maximum 500
22:45 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:45  * spidey is calling tech support -_-
22:45 <wrtlprnft> that should make for some easier external plugins
22:46 <Your_mom_arma> arma eats up 100%cpu on your proc spidey
22:46 <spidey> yes
22:46 <spidey> i'm on 2.4ghz
22:46 <spidey> this pc
22:46 <Your_mom_arma> exactly
22:46 <spidey> but my 1ghz box runs it fine with other stuff running
22:47 <Your_mom_arma> so if you had a phat inefficiant irc client any messages you recieved would change your fps in arma
22:47 <philippeqc> hi mom!
22:47 <Your_mom_arma> hey
22:47 <philippeqc> how is my biggest supporter?
22:48 <Your_mom_arma> doing fine :-D
22:48 <spidey> 'all our agents are busy helping other customers, please wait
22:48 <spidey> !dlkfjs;lkgj;dlkfjg;lkdjfglkjsdflgkjsdfg!!
22:48 <philippeqc> have you had the chance to read my response?
22:48 <Your_mom_arma> Yes http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=90181#90181
22:49 <philippeqc> how come I didnt see your answer!!!!
22:49 <Your_mom_arma> blame the liberal media
22:49 <madmax|pt> msn lags a lot...
22:50 <spidey> wow, i got a nice tech support guy i don't have to bitch at
22:51 <philippeqc> now I remember that picture
22:52 <philippeqc> why hovering? why not on the floor?
22:52 <spidey> -_-
22:53 <Your_mom_arma> well i just assumed it would have to be above the floor for it to be visable
22:53 <spidey> omg
22:53 <spidey> 'they can't garuntee the upload speed, just the download'
22:53 <spidey> what bullshit >:|
22:53 <philippeqc> I guess it could be just on the floor, but I'd need to check that.
22:54 <philippeqc> border + fill parameter
22:55 <Your_mom_arma> well on the floor would be fine
22:55 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
22:56 <Your_mom_arma> you could have both renderings if you wanted to make it an option (and/or)rendering switch in a map file
22:56 <philippeqc> as for the decoration of the "classic" zone, I still need to re-read how to do textures in opengl
22:57 <philippeqc> yes
22:57 <wrtlprnft> #onlineplayers
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: This data is 34 seconds old; "$*TrApStAr*$" (Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress ), $crabbzy (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), *Punk* ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), *~*kitty*~* (Norm's Place), .MaCbEtH ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), 135er cLyD (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), 135er T 2the E (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), 135er-Tölse (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), 2020 ( |AST| (1 more message)
22:57 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress), <{nc}> KingNoob (.Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas| Low-rubber), ={S}=TaTToo (~|DS|~DarkSyndi
22:57 <wrtlprnft> x_X
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins.Web.fetch.maximum 2000
22:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: That's all, there is no more.
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #onlineplayers
22:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: This data is 7 seconds old; "$*TrApStAr*$" (Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress ), $crabbzy (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), *Punk* ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), *~*kitty*~* (Norm's Place), .MaCbEtH ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), 135er cLyD (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), 135er T 2the E (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), 135er-Tölse (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), 2020 ( |AST| (4 more messages)
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress), <{nc}> KingNoob (.Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas| Low-rubber), ={S}=TaTToo (~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit}), alf ( |AST|  Fortress), Alpha (Norm's Place), Brandon ( Wild West - Fortress  (Bugfarm)), Canada ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), chat.bot ( |AST|  Fortress), Chibi-Robo (135er Uppercutz Berlin --Classsix--), City Cabs (armagetron.nixda.net (Original)), ct|SeBoL158 (4 Team Fourtress {By WPN (3 more messages)
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Clan}                                                                                   ), CT×Wargasm (4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan}                                                                                   ), d43m0n (Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress ), darkben (4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan}                                                                                   ), Dawson_dc (Crazy Tronners (2 more messages)
22:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Wild Fortress ), de|CTxPTA ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), Ding Dong Dead (Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress ), Erik (Strawberry Fields), fabiencamus (~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit}), Gigantron bone ( Wild West - Sumo  (Bugfarm)), GluGGsel ( Wild West - Fortress  (Bugfarm)), JDawg (Norm's Place), John (Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress ), Lite (Norm's Place), ljsnfvjnsdv;ks; (.Tronners|.in|.Pyjamas| Low- (1 more message)
22:58 <Vanhayes> argh
22:58 <wrtlprnft> a bit much
22:58 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:58 <armabot> wrtlprnft: rubber), Lord Ombra(sm) (Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress ), Maddog ( ~*Speeders*~  Classic  Server), MaZuffeR ( |AST|  Fortress), Meldaran (4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan}                                                                                   ), MToo (4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan}
23:00 <Your_mom_arma> whats with the huge spaces?
23:00 <wrtlprnft> ?
23:00 <wrtlprnft> huge spaces?
23:00 <wrtlprnft> argh
23:00 <Vanhayes> {By WPN Clan}                                                                                   ), MToo (4 Team F
23:00 <Your_mom_arma> "(4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan}                                                                                   ), MToo (4 Team Fourtress {By WPN Clan}"
23:00 <Your_mom_arma> heh yeah
23:00 <wrtlprnft> STUPID 4 TEAM FORTRESS SERVER
23:00 <wrtlprnft> it's got tons of trailing spaces
23:01 <wrtlprnft> noticed that when programming armaspyad, ended up trimming it
23:01 <wrtlprnft> xixed
23:01 <wrtlprnft> *fixed
23:01 <wrtlprnft> wanna demonstration? ;)
23:02  * wrtlprnft is thinking about a #lastseen command that tells you when that person was last seen
23:02 <Your_mom_arma> on a server you mean?
23:02 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately that would mean my server'd have to store quite an amount of data
23:02 <wrtlprnft> but I'll try it
23:02 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:03 <wrtlprnft> currently it deletes old data
23:03 <wrtlprnft> i might just delete data older than 7 or so days, though
23:04 <Your_mom_arma> i could see that taking up too much space if someone decided to change names every round
23:04 <wrtlprnft> nah, i'd store something far different
23:04 <wrtlprnft> it's updating every minute
23:05 <wrtlprnft> and i'd just store who's online every minute
23:05 <wrtlprnft> don't feel like making it more complicated
23:05 <Your_mom_arma> 2 clients 8players and a script changing names every round even updatine once a minute would be a bit much especially over a 7 day period
23:07 <Your_mom_arma> #g minutes in a day
23:07 <armabot> 1 day = 1,440 minutes
23:07 <Your_mom_arma> #g 1440*7
23:07 <wrtlprnft> well, you can't get anything useful out of that
23:08 <armabot> An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
23:08 <wrtlprnft> as it's a mysql table it has some data overhead
23:08 <wrtlprnft> #g 1*2
23:08 <wrtlprnft> hello?
23:08 <Your_mom_arma> 80640 names
23:08 <armabot> 1 * 2 = 2
23:08 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
23:08 <armabot> pong
23:08 <wrtlprnft> as soon as it gets unbearably much i'll start pruning it
23:08 <philippeqc> #ding
23:08 <philippeqc> #ping
23:08 <armabot> pong
23:13 <wrtlprnft> #fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=alf
23:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: "You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'players.xtime AS xtime\nFROM\n\tserverinfo,\n\tplayers\nWHERE\n\tplayers.sid = serverinf' at line 4"
23:13 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:13 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:13 <wrtlprnft> #fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=alf
23:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: alf has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 302 seconds ago.
23:13 <wrtlprnft> nice
23:14 <wrtlprnft> need to check that later
23:14 <wrtlprnft> #fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=alf
23:14 <armabot> wrtlprnft: alf has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 16 seconds ago.
23:14 <wrtlprnft> #alias add lastseen #fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=
23:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:15 <wrtlprnft> #alias add lastseen #fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=$1+$2+$3+$4+$5+$6+$7+$8+$9
23:15 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:16 <wrtlprnft> its data starts a few minutes ago, so i guess we just have to wait for it to become useful
23:16 <Your_mom_arma> #fetch player 1
23:16 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Error: 'player' is not a valid url.
23:16 <wrtlprnft> i might actually make server stats with that data
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #lastonline player 1
23:16 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:16 <armabot> Vanhayes: (lastseen <an alias, 9 arguments>) -- Alias for "#fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=$1+$2+$3+$4+$5+$6+$7+$8+$9".
23:16 <Vanhayes> ack
23:16 <wrtlprnft> argh
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #help alias
23:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "alias".
23:16 <wrtlprnft> #help alias add
23:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (alias add <name> <alias>) -- Defines an alias <name> that executes <alias>. The <alias> should be in the standard "command argument [nestedcommand argument]" arguments to the alias; they'll be filled with the first, second, etc. arguments. $1, $2, etc. can be used for required arguments. @1, @2, etc. can be used for optional arguments. $* simply means "all remaining arguments," and cannot be combined (1 more message)
23:17 <wrtlprnft> ah, i need @
23:17 <wrtlprnft> #alias add lastseen #fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=$1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9
23:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:17 <wrtlprnft> #lastseeen Vanhayes 
23:17 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:17 <wrtlprnft> hello?
23:18 <Your_mom_arma> #ping
23:18 <armabot> pong
23:18 <Your_mom_arma> idk
23:18 <wrtlprnft> #fetch
23:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (fetch <url>) -- Returns the contents of <url>, or as much as is configured in supybot.plugins.Web.fetch.maximum. If that configuration variable is set to 0, this command will be effectively disabled.
23:18 <wrtlprnft> #alias add lastseen fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=$1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9
23:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:18 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Vanhayes has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 34 seconds ago.
23:18 <wrtlprnft> there we go
23:18 <Vanhayes> lol nice
23:18 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen player 1
23:18 <wrtlprnft> i should convert that to minutes
23:18 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Player 1 has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 48 seconds ago.
23:18 <wrtlprnft> as seconds are useless in that case
23:19 <wrtlprnft> it updates every 60 seconds
23:19 <Vanhayes> hmm Your_mom_arma = player 1?
23:19 <Your_mom_arma> shh
23:19 <Vanhayes> lol
23:19 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma == player 7 :P
23:19 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: '<br />\n<b>Fatal error</b>:  Call to undefined function int() in <b>/www2/serverlist/lastseen.php</b> on line <b>23</b><br />\n'
23:19 <wrtlprnft> meh!
23:20 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Vanhayes has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 0 minutes ago.
23:20 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: leave!
23:20 <Vanhayes> lol ok
23:20 <Vanhayes> gone
23:20 <wrtlprnft> ty
23:20 <wrtlprnft> need to wait a few minutes
23:20 <Vanhayes> seeing as im not playing it doesnt matter :)
23:21 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen VaNhAyEs 
23:21 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Vanhayes has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 1 minutes ago.
23:22 <wrtlprnft> ah, at least one minute now :)
23:23 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen VaNhAyEs 
23:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Vanhayes has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 3 minutes ago.
23:23 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen 2020
23:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2020 seems to be on  |AST|  Fortress right now.
23:24 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen idontexist
23:24 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I haven't seen anyone matching “idontexist” yet, sorry.
23:26 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: now rejoin :P
23:41 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 21 minutes ago.
23:41 <Vanhayes> ok
23:44 <Luke-Jr_work__> #lastseen Luke-Jr
23:44 <armabot> Luke-Jr_work__: I haven't seen anyone matching “luke-jr” yet, sorry.
23:46 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@81.193.19.221] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:46 <spidey> #lastseen spidey
23:46 <armabot> spidey: I haven't seen anyone matching “spidey” yet, sorry.
23:46 <spidey> #lastseen spidey |mbc|
23:47 <armabot> spidey: I haven't seen anyone matching “spidey” yet, sorry.
23:47 <spidey> ...
23:47 <Vanhayes> #lastseen *spidey*
23:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “*spidey*” yet, sorry.
23:47 <Vanhayes> #lastseen *spidey
23:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “*spidey” yet, sorry.
23:47 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Vanhayes 
23:47 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes seems to be on  |AST|  Fortress right now.
23:49 <Vanhayes> #lastseen ghableska
23:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “ghableska” yet, sorry.
23:49 <Vanhayes> #seen ghableska
23:49 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska was last seen in #armagetron 3 days, 23 hours, 1 minute, and 47 seconds ago: <ghableska> :D
23:49 <Your_mom_arma> #lastseen sunnygirl
23:50 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: sunnygirl has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 26 minutes ago.
23:51 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen Player 1
23:51 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Player 1 has last been seen on  |AST|  Fortress 4 minutes ago.
23:51 <DrJoeTron> woweee thats neat
23:51 <Your_mom_arma> haha
23:51 <DrJoeTron> #lastseen diggin
23:51 <armabot> DrJoeTron: I haven't seen anyone matching “diggin” yet, sorry.
23:51 <DrJoeTron> the kids must havge eaten him
23:52 <Your_mom_arma> you'ld rather chop off your on ding dong then not drink?
23:53 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
23:53 <philippeqc> #night
23:53 <DrJoeTron> new one soon
23:53 <armabot> Good night philippeqc!
23:53 -!- philippeqc [n=philippe@c83-250-130-90.bredband.comhem.se] has quit ["Leaving"]
23:53 <Luke-Jr_work__> #lastseen groundpig
23:53 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: the data is only a few minutes old
23:53 <Luke-Jr_work__> #lastseen groundpig
23:53 <armabot> Luke-Jr_work__: I haven't seen anyone matching “groundpig” yet, sorry.
23:53 <armabot> Luke-Jr_work__: I haven't seen anyone matching “groundpig” yet, sorry.
23:54 <Vanhayes> #lastseen DrJoeTron 
23:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “drjoetron” yet, sorry.
23:54 <Vanhayes> #lastseen Dr Joe Tron 
23:54 <armabot> Vanhayes: I haven't seen anyone matching “dr tron” yet, sorry.
23:54 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:54 <Vanhayes> hmm ?
23:54 <Vanhayes> no joe?
23:54 <DrJoeTron> what can i say
23:54 <wrtlprnft> #alias add lastseen fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9
23:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:55 <DrJoeTron> i never play this game :p
23:55 <wrtlprnft> #lastseen Dr Joe Tron
23:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I haven't seen anyone matching “dr joe tron” yet, sorry.
23:55 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: go play for at least a minute and you're on the list
23:55 <spidey> #lastseen DrJoeTron
23:55 <armabot> spidey: I haven't seen anyone matching “drjoetron” yet, sorry.
23:55 <spidey> he doesn't use spaces
23:55 <spidey> :p
23:55 <DrJoeTron> I dont wanna be profiled!
23:56 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: then you can never ever play again :P
23:56 <DrJoeTron> thats cool
23:56 <DrJoeTron> good bye guys
23:57 <wrtlprnft> o_O
23:58 <DrJoeTron> wow
23:58 <Vanhayes> lol use aliasss
23:58 <DrJoeTron> im not all that impressed with MGS4

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