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--- Day changed Tue Sep 05 2006
00:00 <wrtlprnft> because usually the error isn't in the library
00:00 <joda_bo1> usually ;)
00:00 <joda_bo1> NAN does look pretty innocent to me ;)
00:00 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: what happens if you change that to return 0;, for example?
00:00 <wrtlprnft> is it just the NAN?
00:01 <joda_bo1> works for now
00:01 <wrtlprnft> hmm
00:02 <wrtlprnft> do we *need* NAN?
00:02 <wrtlprnft> IIRC that was just Luke-Jr's response to jonathan nitpicking
00:02 <joda_bo1> Isn't there a better way to get "NAN" than 0/0 ?
00:02 <wrtlprnft> uh, NAN's supposed to be defined in <math.h>…
00:03 <joda_bo1> right it is
00:03 <joda_bo1> must have recalled some other spot where it was 0/0
00:03 <wrtlprnft>        INFINITY
00:03 <wrtlprnft>        NAN
00:03 <wrtlprnft>        HUGE_VAL
00:03 <wrtlprnft>        HUGE_VALF
00:03 <wrtlprnft>        HUGE_VALL
00:03 <wrtlprnft> those should all be in there
00:03 <joda_bo1> #define NAN		__builtin_nan("")
00:04 <joda_bo1> yeah
00:04 <joda_bo1> What happens in that spot anyway ?
00:05 <joda_bo1> NAN casted to Variant ?
00:05 <wrtlprnft> where?
00:05 <wrtlprnft> in veComparison.cpp:61?
00:05 <joda_bo1> the error I got
00:05 <wrtlprnft> well
00:05 <joda_bo1> yeah
00:05 <wrtlprnft> probably boost::variant has problems with NAN values
00:05 <wrtlprnft> can't store them
00:06 <wrtlprnft> maybe NAN is internally handled as some type that's neither float nor int
00:06 <wrtlprnft> and that screws up something boost::variant does
00:06 <wrtlprnft> try putting that somewhere:
00:06 <wrtlprnft> Variant asdf;
00:06 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: is it ok to remove gWinzone.* ?
00:06 <wrtlprnft> asdf = NAN;
00:06 <wrtlprnft> see if that compiles
00:07 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: i think ph still wants
00:07 <wrtlprnft> it
00:07 <wrtlprnft> for reference
00:07 <joda_bo1> ah ok, but it does not compile anymore
00:07 <joda_bo1> and he can use svn or keep a local copy ;)
00:07 <wrtlprnft> uh, isn't it all commented out?
00:07 <joda_bo1> it's just too confusing if I have to hand pick some files
00:07 <joda_bo1> but I've got to do that anyway ;)
00:08 <joda_bo1> there are more files which prevent compilation
00:08 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: just remove them from the project
00:08 <wrtlprnft> gWinZone.*, that is
00:08 <wrtlprnft> then they won't cause anymore trouble
00:09 <wrtlprnft> but keep them in SVN and ph happy
00:09 <joda_bo1> Somehow I need tValue.p
00:09 <joda_bo1> tValue.o
00:09 <wrtlprnft> o_p
00:10 <joda_bo1> ah, it doesn't exist anymore
00:10 <joda_bo1> but codeblocks doesn't show missing files anymore
00:11 <joda_bo1> tsk
00:11 <joda_bo1> linking
00:12 <joda_bo1> n/cockpit/cCockpit.cpp: multiple definition of `random()'
00:13 <joda_bo1> looks like I should guard undef the function before defining it
00:13 <joda_bo1> -guard
00:13 <wrtlprnft> o_O
00:13 <wrtlprnft> how's the cockpit even using random?
00:14 <joda_bo1> Linking executable: ..\..\build\debug\ArmagetronAd.exe
00:14 <joda_bo1> ..\..\build\tmp\Armagetron___Win32_Debug\src\tron\cockpit\cCockpit.o(.text+0x0): In function `ZN12nSettingItemI7tStringED1Ev':
00:14 <joda_bo1> C:/Dokumente und Einstellungen/joda/Eigene Dateien/project/armagetronad/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/../../src/tron/cockpit/cCockpit.cpp: multiple definition of `random()'
00:14 <joda_bo1> ..\..\build\tmp\Armagetron___Win32_Debug\src\tools\values\veMath.o(.text+0x0):C:/Dokumente und Einstellungen/joda/Eigene Dateien/project/armagetronad/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/../../src/tools/values//vCore.h: first defined here
00:14 <joda_bo1> happens when linking
00:15 <wrtlprnft> err
00:15 <wrtlprnft> are you defining a function in some header file?
00:16 <wrtlprnft> you need to move the function body to a .cpp file that includes the header with its definition
00:16 <joda_bo1> oh ... but then I've got a problem with the template ?
00:17 <wrtlprnft> ?
00:17 <joda_bo1> because it won't allow undefined sizes for content ?
00:17 <joda_bo1> if I just use a forward declaration
00:17 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/
00:17 <wrtlprnft> mind pasting the header file with that function in there?
00:18 <joda_bo1> done
00:18 <joda_bo1> random is used for the template
00:19 <wrtlprnft> ty
00:19 <spidey> yay for moving
00:19  * spidey rolls eyes
00:19 <spidey> bbl
00:19 <wrtlprnft> well
00:20 <wrtlprnft> what's the exact problem with moving the function body to the .cpp?
00:20 <joda_bo1> won't c++ get in trouble with determining the size of the template
00:21 <wrtlprnft> don't think so
00:21 <wrtlprnft> it's just a function call after all
00:21 <joda_bo1> ok done
00:21 <wrtlprnft> function pointers have a constant size
00:21 <wrtlprnft> of course, the compiler can't inline it
00:21 <joda_bo1> I thought all types have to fully specified but it sounds logical now ;)
00:21 <wrtlprnft> but it couldn't inline it with the original random function, either
00:23 <wrtlprnft> does it compile now?
00:24 <joda_bo1> he seems to
00:24 <joda_bo1> missed some other files
00:24 <joda_bo1> eLagComp..
00:25 <wrtlprnft> umm, i dunno about the windows build system, but you can now make tValue.* part of libtools now
00:26 <wrtlprnft> i fixed it after you left the unix makefiles in some very weird state
00:30 <joda_bo1> ?!?!
00:30 <wrtlprnft> well
00:31 <wrtlprnft> you referenced a src/tron/tValue.cpp
00:31 <joda_bo1> Yeah, I moved tFucntion because it irked me, with it being in the other folder
00:31 <wrtlprnft> it really was in src/tools
00:31 <joda_bo1> I just removed tValue from the project, and it works
00:31 <joda_bo1> just got some nasty boost include troubles (at linking stage)
00:31 <wrtlprnft> x_X
00:32 <joda_bo1> boost includes some additional libraries as it seems
00:32 <joda_bo1> jsut have to find out where for example  RVar::~RVar()' is contained
00:32 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: wait, tValue.cpp is still in tools ?
00:33 <wrtlprnft> no
00:33 <joda_bo1> ah good
00:33 <wrtlprnft> i mean tFunction
00:33 <wrtlprnft> that was messed up
00:33 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: sorry, about moving tFunction
00:33 <wrtlprnft> np
00:33 <wrtlprnft> it used some nNetwork stuff, i “fixed” it
00:33 <wrtlprnft> ie made it a template
00:34 <joda_bo1> well you could also rename it to nFunction ;)
00:34 <joda_bo1> but I thought of that too late ;)
00:35 <wrtlprnft> well, i didn't feel like doing that
00:35 <wrtlprnft> and it might me needed on tools/ level
00:35 <wrtlprnft> as tValue and tFunction should eventually be convertable into each other
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00:39 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: Luke-Jr: the linker does not find RVar or RFunction destructors - I might have missed a file , which would that be ?
00:40 <wrtlprnft> src/thirdparty/mathexpr/mathexpr.cpp:82?
00:42 <joda_bo1> the _c or c++ version ?
00:42 <wrtlprnft> uh
00:42 <joda_bo1> which would be more desireable ?
00:42 <wrtlprnft> _c is complex numbers
00:42 <joda_bo1> oh ah
00:42 <wrtlprnft> so you want the mathexpr.cpp one :)
00:42 <joda_bo1> so both ?
00:42 <wrtlprnft> no
00:42 <wrtlprnft> _c is unused right now
00:42 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't even work as it is right now
00:43 <joda_bo1> I won't need the binreloc files ?
00:43 <wrtlprnft> i converted the non–_c one to use float instead of double
00:43  * wrtlprnft doesn't know what binreloc files are
00:44 <Vanhayes> #night
00:44 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
00:44 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034188452.nb.aliant.net] has quit ["So thats what that button does...."]
00:44 <joda_bo1> So, what do I have to do to make the windows fix linux compatible ?
00:45 <wrtlprnft> what fix exacly now?
00:45 <joda_bo1> I should guard with WIN32 atleast, probably even more specific mingw
00:45 <wrtlprnft> btw i recommend you don't call that funcion random()
00:45 <joda_bo1> the random function
00:45 <wrtlprnft> call it Random or myrandom
00:45 <wrtlprnft> then use it under that name
00:45 <joda_bo1> ok, so then just use it for all
00:45 <joda_bo1> ok
00:46 <wrtlprnft> yay 200MB of 268.6MB complete!
00:46 <ghableska> :D
00:49 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: did you change the fourcc ?
00:50 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: no :(
00:50 <wrtlprnft> it was already halfway encoded
00:50 <wrtlprnft> i might make new movies tomorrow
00:51 <joda_bo1> can you access the server via ssh / sftp ?
00:51 <joda_bo1> or just plain ftp ?
00:51 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: which server?
00:51 <wrtlprnft> the archive.orh one?
00:51 <joda_bo1> where you upload to ?
00:51 <wrtlprnft> just ftp
00:52 <joda_bo1> hm, then fixing the file remotly could be tricky
00:52 <wrtlprnft> not even sftp
00:52 <wrtlprnft> joda_bo1: i can't anyways without losing quality
00:52 <wrtlprnft> i'll just reencode it
00:53 <joda_bo1> eh, the fmp4 is fully compatible with xvid or other mpeg4 fourcc s
00:53 <wrtlprnft> that means?
00:53 <joda_bo1> the problem is just that the avi container has a "bad" indicator for mpeg4
00:53  * wrtlprnft has no clue about video encoding
00:53 <joda_bo1> ok, fourcc codes are inside an avi and there 4 bytes determine which decoder should be used
00:54  * wrtlprnft is happy he found a combination of options that produced movies of acceptable size and quality
00:54 <joda_bo1> either everybody watching it can add fmp4 fourcc and map it to xvid that would work
00:54 <joda_bo1> or you can the four bytes inside the file to xvid (somewhere near the start the file)
00:55 <joda_bo1> and it works on windows with xvid or divx (depends on the fourcc) too
00:55 <joda_bo1> :-)
00:55 <wrtlprnft> well, i need conctrete command line options
00:56 <joda_bo1> oh new music ;)
00:56 <wrtlprnft> mencoder "mf://*.png" -mf fps=30 -o test.avi -of avi -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vhq
00:56 <wrtlprnft> that's what i used
00:59 <joda_bo1> -ffourcc xvid (for xvid codec) or -ffourcc divx
00:59 <wrtlprnft> ok
00:59 <wrtlprnft> i'll do that tomorrow
00:59 <joda_bo1> I'll just test it works without any additional stuff ...
00:59 <wrtlprnft> for now the upload finished
01:00 <joda_bo1> lol, the retreating tails on the map look funny
01:01 <joda_bo1> ;)
01:01 <joda_bo1> btw . thx for all the babysitting compiling works now ;
01:01 <wrtlprnft> yw
01:02 <joda_bo1> or worked until it deadlocked now ;)
01:03 <joda_bo1> stupid code blocks gui does let me access gdb commandline to suspend the application and have a look at the spot
01:03 <joda_bo1> somewhere on round start on the speeders server
01:04 <joda_bo1> wops ... (should perhaps update the distribution files ;))
01:08 <joda_bo1> hm, constantly crashes on round start in network game ( server)
01:08 <wrtlprnft> no clue
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01:11 <wrtlprnft> wow, finally youtube accepted my video
01:12 <wrtlprnft> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15EQdC9UB8M
01:14 <mkzelda> I have a computer running winxp that I'm trying to fix. All scans for trojans/spyware/adware/viruses etc all come up negative... no processes needing killing, only 1% cpu usage, yet it acts like its running at 100%
01:14 <mkzelda> cant find any reason why its going so slow
01:14 <mkzelda> any ideas?
01:14 <mkzelda> its not swapping to hd
01:14 <mkzelda> i mean, when its going slow, its not b/c ram is full and its swapping
01:14 <wrtlprnft> no clue
01:15 <mkzelda> b/c its not getting to that point
01:15 <wrtlprnft> #night
01:15 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
01:15 <mkzelda> its hard to run scans b/c they take so long
01:15 <mkzelda> b/c its running at like 1/10th the speed it used to
01:17 <joda_bo1> b/c = ?
01:17 <joda_bo1> Download a boot cd with a virus scanner ?
01:17 <joda_bo1> other options would be
01:18 <joda_bo1> www.sysinternals.com rootkit revealer
01:18 <joda_bo1> http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/RootkitRevealer.html
01:18 <joda_bo1> mkzelda: You did check for all auto run applications ?
01:19 <joda_bo1> you can also use http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.html which shows the locations of all the processes currently running, you can then inspect them ... but I guess you tried most of that
01:24 <mkzelda> joda_bo1, b/c = because
01:24 <mkzelda> and thanks but ya, i tried all that :/
01:24 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6150 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 2 dirs): compile time fixes
01:25 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: 0/0 throws an error, I thought
01:25 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: NAN is a float, which is a valid Variant type
01:26 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Variant holds types, not values =p
01:26 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6151 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/ (11 files): piece 1 - more boost headers
01:27 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6152 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/utility/ (13 files in 2 dirs): piece 2 - more boost headers
01:27 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: just remove Random if you don't want to fix it properly
01:28 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6153 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/type_traits/ (98 files in 2 dirs): piece 3 - more boost headers
01:29 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: RVar/RFunction will be obsolete eventually, in theory-- that's ph
01:29 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: RVar/RFunction will be obsolete eventually, in theory-- that's ph's MathExpr stuff
01:30 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6154 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/preprocessor/: piece 4 - more boost headers
01:31 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: I tried my fix of it, you're free to find a better fitting solution
01:31 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6155 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/preprocessor/ (128 files in 22 dirs): piece 4 - more boost headers
01:32 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: yeah, 0/0 gives an error must have had a bad dream about it and still remember it as real :P
01:32 <Luke-Jr> joda_bo1: like I said, Random is currently 100% unused
01:32 <Luke-Jr> it was an example
01:33 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: thx, for the help - good to know :) the real issue was the NAN stuff
01:33 <joda_bo1> I still don't understand what goes wrong there
01:33 <Luke-Jr> what is your NAN defined as?
01:34 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6156 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/preprocessor/ (136 files in 14 dirs): piece 5 - more boost headers
01:35 <joda_bo1> Luke: #define NAN		__builtin_nan("")
01:35 <joda_bo1> but I guess you want the exact value ?
01:35 <joda_bo1> right ?
01:36 <Luke-Jr> maybe
01:36 <Luke-Jr> # define NAN    (__builtin_nanf(""))
01:36 <Luke-Jr> did you try (float)NAN?
01:37 <joda_bo1> no
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01:38 <joda_bo1> Luke-Jr: works O.o
01:38 <Luke-Jr> heh
01:38 <Luke-Jr> maybe
01:38 <Luke-Jr> might behave differently than expected tho, dunno
01:39 <joda_bo1> I'll try without (float) again
01:39 <joda_bo1> no, that does not work
01:39 <joda_bo1> should I use REAL ?
01:39 <Luke-Jr> chances are that code path will never be used outside of testing
01:40 <joda_bo1> How can NAN not have a specific type ... strange ?
01:41 <joda_bo1> the compiler tries to generate the "right" type of float - double ?
01:41 <Luke-Jr> ph
01:41 <Luke-Jr> oh*
01:42 <Luke-Jr> so casting it should work then
01:42 <joda_bo1> Yes it does
01:42 <joda_bo1> I used REAL now, will commit that in a second
01:43 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6157 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/mpl/aux_/ (508 files in 14 dirs): piece 6 - more boost headers
01:49 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6158 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/mpl/ (308 files in 25 dirs): piece 7 - more boost headers
01:49 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6159 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/values/veComparison.cpp: fix suggested by Luke-Jr
01:52 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6160 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/mpl/ (182 files): piece 8 - more boost headers
01:56 -!- Your_mom_arma [n=Jacob@pool-71-245-214-19.delv.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
01:58 <Your_mom_arma> first time anyone ever tried to frame me in arma
01:58 <armabot> armagetronad: yarrt * r6161 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/boost/includes/boost/ (57 files in 3 dirs): piece 9 - last boost headers
01:58 <joda_bo1> ?
01:58 -!- joda_bo1 is now known as joda_bot
01:59 <Your_mom_arma> a player kept crashing into me at start and tried to convince everyone i was tk'ing him
02:00 <joda_bot> oh, interesting ... why do ppl seems to enjoy making a mess out of the game ;)
02:01 <joda_bot> Your_mom_arma: have you been on ctf then ? (capture the flag)
02:01  * Your_mom_arma made the map file and custom dtd for that server
02:01 <Your_mom_arma> so yes
02:02 <Your_mom_arma> :-D
02:02 <joda_bot> hehe, cool ;)
02:02 <joda_bot> I really like it
02:02 <joda_bot> If they'd ask me , we should give sty 
02:03 <joda_bot> ah, damn pig dev access, atleast so much that he can add his patches into a branch
02:03 <Your_mom_arma> i agree
02:06  * DrJoeTron updated to 2.8.2
02:06 <joda_bot> Your_mom_arma: What would you say is more common ? XVID or DIVX ?
02:06 <DrJoeTron> divx
02:07 <Your_mom_arma> dvix
02:07 <Your_mom_arma> why not 3.0?
02:07 <joda_bot> ok, if anyone has problems playing wrtls videos just change the fourcc to divx ;)
02:07 <DrJoeTron> many reasons
02:07 <DrJoeTron> well joda
02:07 <DrJoeTron> you can make people download vlc
02:07 <DrJoeTron> that plays EVERYTHING
02:08 <joda_bot> #m wrtlprnft tested with DIVX and XVID, as DIVX seems to be more common (your_man, drjoetron and me poll) change use --fourcc DIVX
02:08 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
02:09 <joda_bot> Yeah, and then you get complains that it does not play FMP4 by default ;)
02:09 <joda_bot> perhaps it does now, but it didn't earlier 
02:09 <Your_mom_arma> (your_man, drjoetron and me poll)
02:09 <joda_bot> earlier = in the past ;)
02:09 <joda_bot> lol
02:09 <joda_bot> damn
02:09 <joda_bot> sorry
02:09 <Your_mom_arma> np
02:09 <joda_bot> New notebook keyboard and I still have to get used to the layout
02:10 <joda_bot> those keys are really far apart ... hm
02:10 <DrJoeTron> should talk to swampy about perma banning people
02:10 <joda_bot> must have been brain lag
02:11 <joda_bot> my impression is that wrtlprnfts video is a bit fast
02:11 <joda_bot> but not sure if I got that right
02:12 <joda_bot> #night
02:12 <armabot> Good night joda_bot!
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02:12 <Your_mom_arma> my impresion was im not downloading a 256 mb video
02:12 <DrJoeTron> yeah thats what mine was
02:12 <Your_mom_arma> haha
02:12 <DrJoeTron> especially one for armagetron
02:15 <DrJoeTron> but
02:15 <DrJoeTron> mom did you see the new wii videos?
02:15 <DrJoeTron> steel battalion looks great
02:17 <Your_mom_arma> link?
02:18 <DrJoeTron> http://media.games.ign.com/articles/693/693580/vid_1657122.html
02:18 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: it plays some ancient WMV1 codec nobody cares about?
02:19 <DrJoeTron> Luke-Jr to what are you talking about
02:19 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: VLC
02:20 <DrJoeTron> yes
02:20 <DrJoeTron> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.html
02:21 <Luke-Jr> doubt it
02:21 <DrJoeTron> why dont you download and find out
02:21 <DrJoeTron> it says it does
02:21 <Luke-Jr> maybe it just supports it via VFW
02:21 <Luke-Jr> on Windows
02:21 <DrJoeTron> says for all platforms
02:21 <Luke-Jr> of course, it might not be WMV1 I'm talking about either =p
02:22 <Luke-Jr> just some obscure codec nobody uses anymore
02:24 <Luke-Jr> ATI VCR-1?
02:24 <DrJoeTron> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.html
02:24 <DrJoeTron> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.html
02:24 <DrJoeTron> read
02:25 <Luke-Jr> lol
02:25 <Luke-Jr> no Real support...
02:25 <Luke-Jr> lame
02:26 <Your_mom_arma> lets find a way to convert all our video's to ascii flash animations
02:26 <Luke-Jr> Indeo was what I was thinking of
02:26 <Your_mom_arma> i'ld watch those
02:26 <Luke-Jr> Flash is evil
02:26 <Your_mom_arma> what isnt?
02:26 <Luke-Jr> SVG?
02:27 <Luke-Jr> aalib? libcaca?
02:28 <Your_mom_arma> man that guy sucks at video games howd he get that job
02:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah thats what i thought
02:28 <Your_mom_arma> hey lets use the helicopter against anti aircraft
02:28 <Your_mom_arma> oh wait
02:28 <Your_mom_arma> bad idea (copter crashes) 
02:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah, and just sits there
02:28 <DrJoeTron> and takes it
02:29 <Luke-Jr> wow, VLC supports Qt4
02:30 <Your_mom_arma> is there any way to limit fire fox from taking up 200mb if i leave it running?
02:30 <DrJoeTron> haha
02:31 <Luke-Jr> not unless Firefox itself does the limiting
02:31 <Your_mom_arma> quick make a firefox extension to do that
02:32 <Luke-Jr> my solution is to not use firefox
02:32 <Your_mom_arma> hey lets take the infantry against the tank
02:32 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
02:32 <Your_mom_arma> he hit that tree twice
02:33 <Your_mom_arma> then collided his own tanks
02:34 <Your_mom_arma> he just took another copter against anti air
02:34 <Luke-Jr> Your_mom_arma is fat
02:34 <Your_mom_arma> how fat?
02:34 <Luke-Jr> dunno, just being random
02:34 <Your_mom_arma> i dont get it
02:35 <Luke-Jr> <Servo888> did you call me fat?!
02:35 <Luke-Jr> in #qt
02:35 <Luke-Jr> so I called you fat here instead
02:36 <Your_mom_arma> you see the tank is impervius to missles (missle launcher destroys tank)
02:37 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
02:51 <spidey> duuuuuude
02:51 <spidey> i broke my voip,lol
02:51 <spidey> Luke-Jr, 
02:51 <Your_mom_arma> first half of red steel hes just shaking the controller randomly
02:53 <Your_mom_arma> he keeps complaining about being to close to the tv, either he's never played time crisis or he just doesnt understand how the game works
02:55 <spidey> http://www.hackers-inc.com/power_book.html
02:57 <Your_mom_arma> how can you miss a guy 5 times when hes 3 feet in front of you
03:00 <Your_mom_arma> as he engages bullet time and stands still getting shot
03:02 <spidey> hmm
03:02 <spidey> cat3 = phone line
03:02 <spidey> right?
03:06 <spidey> where's Luke-Jr when you need him :/
03:08 <Your_mom_arma> # google cat3 wiki
03:08 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Search took 0.23 seconds: Category 3 cable - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_3_cable>; Cat3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat3>; Image: Cat3 .jpg - Wikimedia Commons: <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Cat3.jpg>; Ruby on the Web: <http://www.rubycentral.com/links/index.html>; wiki :discussion:apachewindows (2 more messages)
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> there ya go
03:09 <spidey> that's not what i need Luke-Jr  for :p
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> that guy made me hat wii :-(
03:09 <Your_mom_arma> hate even
03:11 <spidey> damn
03:11 <spidey> now i gotta goto walmart
03:11 <spidey> radio shack's closed and i don't have the stuff i need to fix the voip line here
03:14 <Your_mom_arma> how could you let yourelf run out of duct tape?
03:14 <spidey> ...
03:14 <spidey> i need a head to the voip line
03:15 <spidey> normal phone line head won't work
03:15 <Your_mom_arma> sinc when am i on wraith squadren?
03:16 <spidey> ....
03:16 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=4_Team_Fortress_Tourney_1&diff=15359&oldid=15347
03:17 <spidey> i can't load a webpage
03:17 <spidey> well i can, but it's slow as shit
03:17 <Your_mom_arma> ignore the spelling errors
03:18 <spidey> hell if i know
03:18 <spidey> i didn't even put my name down :p
03:19 <spidey> something tells me i'ma have to rewire the cable to
03:19 <spidey> even though i did that right
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03:54 <spidey> man, just see someone you haven't seen in months, then you get this
03:54 <spidey> megan: fuck off fatass u were supposed to report me to homeland security u lil faggot
03:54 <spidey> spidey: huh?
04:01 <Luke-Jr> spidey: 
04:01 <mkzelda> he's gone
04:02 <Luke-Jr> says who
04:02 <mkzelda> says me
04:02 <Luke-Jr> spidey: there's 2 kinds of cable
04:02 <Luke-Jr> phone
04:02 <Luke-Jr> and ethernet
04:02 <mkzelda> he's not here
04:02 <Luke-Jr> there is no voip cable
04:02 <Luke-Jr> ..
04:02 <mkzelda> you're talking to everyone but him
04:02  * Luke-Jr picks up the phone
04:03 <Luke-Jr> na
04:03 <Luke-Jr> h
04:11 <mkzelda> wrtlprnft, that vid quality makes it unfun to watch :/
04:23 <Your_mom_arma> that low?
04:34 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, Your_mom_arma 
04:34 <spidey> well, anyone really
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> what?
04:36 <spidey> would my ping being 300 or so affect the server load?
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> not that I know of, why?
04:37 <spidey> some moron on shrunkland
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> was he named Audrey?
04:37 <spidey> i ran the cables wrong and my upstream is fucked, and my ping was about 300
04:38 <spidey> nah it was like vrtkm
04:38 <spidey> or something
04:38 <Your_mom_arma> it was, i was there
04:38 <spidey> who was you O.o
04:38 <spidey> you're not TiS are you? lol
04:38 <Your_mom_arma> player 1
04:39 <spidey> ah
04:39 <spidey> anyways, tomorrow i get to climb ontop of the house again to see if i sliced the line somewhere
04:39 <spidey> :/
04:40 <spidey> i have a feeling when i was using the power drill to skrew the cable to the side of the wall between the first floor and second floor i cut the line when the drill slipped
04:43 <spidey> There is no upper SNR limit, although in practice 40 dB is about the highest seen. 
04:43 <spidey> mine's like 44 
04:43 <spidey> i got a new record :D
04:44 <spidey> 1. Signal levels not within the specifications listed above can cause slow speeds, connection problems, and connection loss due to packet errors, packet loss, and/or constant packet retransmission.
04:44 <spidey> i think i found my connection problem
04:44 <spidey> both of my d/b levels are off from that chart O.o
05:17 <spidey> No new posts, How do I get Linux to use my cable modem? .
05:17 <spidey> lol
05:18 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:18 <spidey> Luke-Jr!
05:18 <Luke-Jr> you plug an ethernet wire into the modem and computer
05:18 <spidey> i know
05:19 <Luke-Jr> then why'd you ask
05:19 <spidey> that was a post on a board somewhere
05:19  * spidey points upward
05:19 <Luke-Jr> o
05:19 <spidey> Luke-Jr, i broke my voip line :/
05:19 <Luke-Jr> spidey: gonna stick around with us longer? :)
05:19 <Luke-Jr> what voip line?
05:19 <spidey> you know that line that runs from the box to the voip router?
05:20 <Luke-Jr> you mean the ethernet cable?
05:20 <spidey> no?
05:20 <Luke-Jr> phone cable, then
05:20 <spidey> ya...
05:20 <spidey> eeither way, i broke the tip off, which is now stuck inside the house :/
05:20 <Luke-Jr> the house?
05:20 <spidey> yes
05:20 <Lucifer_arma> that was dumb, why'd you do that?
05:20 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:21 <Luke-Jr> what house?
05:21 <spidey> charter made a hole and ran the wire through the wall
05:21 <spidey> but it wasn't big enough to come back out
05:21 <spidey> :(
05:21 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:21 <Luke-Jr> you trust Charter for anything more than you need to?
05:21 <spidey> no, i wasn't here
05:22 <Luke-Jr> the correct way to do it is to add a normal phone jack in the wall near the router and plug the phone port into it
05:22 <Luke-Jr> and then all your other phone jacks are connected
05:22 <Luke-Jr> make sure the POTS is disconnected first tho
05:22 <spidey> ah, i can do that
05:22 <spidey> i think O.o
05:22 <spidey> pots?
05:22 <Luke-Jr> Plain Old
05:23 <spidey> mm
05:23 <spidey> first
05:23 <Luke-Jr> if you don't d/c POTS, it will eventually fry the ATA
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: so, if I want to record to video, should I make the recording with -benchmark too?
05:23 <Lucifer_arma> or just play it back like that?
05:23 <spidey> how do i coonnect the voip line to a phonejack, phone lines have 2 wires, voip line has 4
05:26 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: yes, benchmark is needed w/o fixed framerate
05:26 <Luke-Jr> phone lines have 4
05:26 <Luke-Jr> 2 per line
05:26 <Luke-Jr> that's why you see POTS phones w/ 2 lines and 1 jack
05:27 <Luke-Jr> some wires are "shortcut" wires and only connect 1 phone line
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> so which is?  Do I need it both during recording and playback?
05:27 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: playback. recording needs fixed framerate
05:27 <Luke-Jr> I have never seen any ATAs that support 2 lines on 1 wire
05:27 <Luke-Jr> so all you need is the one-line phone wire
05:28 <Luke-Jr> s/wire/cord
05:28 <Luke-Jr> just like 100 Mbit ethernet, actually
05:29 <Luke-Jr> 100 Mbit ethernet only uses 4 wires, even tho Cat5 has 8
05:29 <Luke-Jr> single-line phone wires only use 2 of the 4 wires in the cord
05:32 <spidey> Luke-Jr, i cut the wire, there was 2 lines in it, red and green o.o
05:32 <Luke-Jr> well, there's only 2 possible ways to put a new head on... =p
05:32 <spidey> ...
05:32 <Luke-Jr> lol
05:32 <spidey> the voip has 4
05:33 <Luke-Jr> only 2 are used
05:33 <Luke-Jr> that's why someone cheated with your red/green cord and skipped them
05:33 <spidey> which ones, blue/light blue orange/other color
05:33 <Luke-Jr> dunno
05:33 <Luke-Jr> look at where your red/green ones go
05:33 <Luke-Jr> and that's probably them
05:33 <Luke-Jr> the pins I mean
05:33 <spidey> well
05:34 <spidey> the jack has 8 colors, 
05:34 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:34 <spidey> 4 are used, none are the color i need :p
05:34 <Luke-Jr> what jack?
05:35 <spidey> wall jack...
05:35 <Luke-Jr> where does it have colours?
05:35 <spidey> inside the box...
05:35 <Luke-Jr> oh, you took it out of the wall?
05:35 <spidey> no?
05:35 <Luke-Jr> ...
05:35 <spidey> it's one of those little boxes you mount :p
05:35 <Luke-Jr> erm, ew
05:35 <Luke-Jr> it has 8 wires?
05:36 <spidey> it has spots for 8
05:36 <spidey> 4 are used
05:36 <Luke-Jr> it has 8 pins?
05:36 <spidey> blue, orange, red, black , green , white , yellow , and BR whatever that is
05:37 <Luke-Jr> gnight
05:37 <spidey> lol
05:37 <Luke-Jr> phone jacks only have 4 pins
05:37 <Luke-Jr> 8 pins is ethernet
05:37 <Luke-Jr> gnight
05:38 <spidey> this is a phone jack
05:38 <Luke-Jr> not if it has 8 wires
05:38 <spidey> 1 because a ethernet cord would never fit in here
05:38 <spidey> it's to small
05:38 <spidey> a phone line clips in just fine :p
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05:50 <GodTodd> pbx uses 8 wires
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> my dick has 8 wires
05:53 <DrJoeTron> mine has 12
05:54 <Lucifer_arma> heh, hey joe
05:55 <Lucifer_arma> where you goin' with that gun in your hand?
05:55 <spidey> Many home alarms are wired using a RJ31X jack (an 8-pin modular jack
05:55  * spidey slaps Luke-Jr 
05:56 <Your_mom_arma> to the gun show?(flexes bicep)
05:56 <Lucifer_arma> I wish php would finish compiling, I want to make a real arma video
06:20 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: Know what they have at the beach? SAND (throws sand in your eyes)
06:25 <spidey> hah
06:25 <spidey> i have a phone again
06:25 <spidey> i think it's gay they include line 1 and line 2 in the same line
06:28 <Lucifer_arma> what does that have to do with being in love with people that have the same genitals as you?
06:29 <spidey> lol
06:33 <spidey> Charter High-Speed Cable Internet—Connection Types Offered
06:33 <spidey> Charter’s high speed Internet services run at 3 Mbps, which is about 60 times faster than standard dial-up connections.  Cable connections are reliable and fast, making life on the Internet enjoyable.  
06:33 <spidey> i call bullshit
06:33 <spidey> http://www.broadbandinfo.com/want-high-speed/providers/charter/default.html
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06:56 <DrJoeTron> Your_mom_arma so i donated my blood the other day, not mine
06:57 <Your_mom_arma> alright we'll settle this out of court how about half
06:57 <Your_mom_arma> OF NOTHING
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?  did I miss something?
07:01 <DrJoeTron> Your honor the label on the record clearly says "intended for fish only"
07:05 <spidey> lmao
07:06 <DrJoeTron> see, the beginning and the end of it were great
07:06 <DrJoeTron> tthe middle was eh
07:06 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
07:08 <DrJoeTron> Lucifer_arma http://www.adultswim.com/adultswimfix/index.jsp metalocalypse
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, I need a plugin to watch it that I don't have
07:11 <DrJoeTron> :/ sorry
07:11 <DrJoeTron> wmv
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07:13 <Your_mom_arma> hey
07:14 <Your_mom_arma> Fishes aints gots no good metal
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> I can watch wmv, but I guess I'd have to dig to get a link.  Hmmmm.......
07:15  * Lucifer_arma wonders why glibc takes so goddamn long to build
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07:26 <DrJoeTron> hahah
07:27 <DrJoeTron> This song is called, Mur-maid-er. Its about Mermaid Murder
07:31 <Your_mom_arma> WOWEE
07:31 <DrJoeTron> This is metal... for fish 
07:34 <DrJoeTron> I saw this thing online, thats we coulds names a star after somebody, so's i was thinkings maybe we could name a a star Muhammed ali, the black prized fighter, and give him that for his birthday. How about that?....... Fuck you.
07:38 <Your_mom_arma> we got you just what you wanted...
07:38 <Your_mom_arma> DISAPOINTMENT
07:39 <DrJoeTron> You mean I actually get to destroy american history? Literally!?
07:39 <DrJoeTron> united states*
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10:47 <Your_mom_arma> wb
10:49 <wrtlprnft> ty
10:50 <wrtlprnft> uh, when did i leave?
10:50 <Your_mom_arma> (04:48:20) wrtlprnft [n=wrtlprnf@] entered the room.
10:50 <wrtlprnft> nah
10:50 <wrtlprnft> when did I get disconnected?
10:50 <wrtlprnft> when did my computer crash? :s
10:50 <Your_mom_arma> (02:52:51) wrtlprnft left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
10:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 2:52AM CDT in GMT
10:51 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
10:51 <wrtlprnft> aww
10:51 <wrtlprnft> can't do that
10:51 <wrtlprnft> lame
10:52 <wrtlprnft> something's screwed up with my fonts too :(
10:52 <wrtlprnft> they're all too big
10:53 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: uh, what do you suggest?
10:54 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: make it higher quality and even bigger?
10:54 <cusco> wrtlprnft: that was 07:52:16  :P
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know where I can get a good tablet pc for cheap?
10:56 <DrJoeTron> www.tabletforlucifer.tk
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> right
10:56 <wrtlprnft> http://good-tablet-pc-for-cheap.com
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> jesus, the tablets on ebay are going for the same as brand new
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> what's the point of buying it on ebay if you're paying brand new prices for it?  Is it just the thrill of the auction?
11:00 <wrtlprnft> now someone tell my why my console font has such a weird spacing now...
11:00 <wrtlprnft> way too big
11:01 <wrtlprnft> font size 9 is too small, font size 10 is too big
11:02  * wrtlprnft suspects it has something to do with the two lines he put into his xorg.conf a while ago for Luke-Jr 
11:02 <DrJoeTron> 9.5 :D
11:02 <DrJoeTron> alright, night guys
11:02 <wrtlprnft> DrJoeTron: good idea, with a small catch
11:02 <wrtlprnft> it does't work
11:02 <wrtlprnft> cya
11:02 <DrJoeTron> hah i know
11:03  * wrtlprnft tries editin his konsolerc by hand
11:03 <wrtlprnft> *editing
11:04 <Lucifer_arma> fuck.  every used tablet pc I'm finding is priced at the same as I can get a comparable new one :/
11:05 <Lucifer_arma> http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5638626152.html   <--- this is looking like the best bet, or an older model
11:17  * wrtlprnft is slowly getting angry at durka
11:17 <wrtlprnft> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Strategy_Experiments_%28Anarchic_Wanderers%29&curid=1695&diff=15501&oldid=14006&rcid=14147
11:17 <Your_mom_arma> took you long enough
11:17 <wrtlprnft> i mean *really* fed up
11:18 <Your_mom_arma> i kind of got fed up after the third pm on the forums about port forwording
11:18 <wrtlprnft> o_O
11:18  * wrtlprnft was lucky there, didn't get any
11:20 <Your_mom_arma> i pretty much hate his whole clan too
11:20 <Your_mom_arma> bar one or two members
11:23 <wrtlprnft> what about they rename to wpon
11:23 <wrtlprnft> we pwn only noobs
11:24 <Your_mom_arma> haha
11:25 <wrtlprnft> maybe even NPU?
11:25 <wrtlprnft> noobs pwn us
11:25 <Your_mom_arma> classic
11:25 <wrtlprnft> or WRN, we are noobs
11:36 <wrtlprnft> ok, is i2020 gonna kill me if i join his team? ;)
11:37  * Your_mom_arma shakes eightball
11:37 <Your_mom_arma> zask again later :{
11:37 <wrtlprnft> x_X
11:37 <Your_mom_arma> he wouldnt kill you but i dont think he'ld be pleased
11:38 <wrtlprnft> well, obviously the lobster cage IS on the server list
11:38 <wrtlprnft> 4 players
11:38  * wrtlprnft doesn't know exactly who to recruit
11:38 <Your_mom_arma> you could come get help im a bug
11:39 <wrtlprnft> ?
11:39  * wrtlprnft doesn't even know how he would name his team
11:39 <Your_mom_arma> lobster cage hes a decent player
11:40 <wrtlprnft> does the trunk compile on windows now?
11:40 <Your_mom_arma> ask DrJoeTron for a team name
11:41 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *joda* mplayer doesn't know about --fourcc, neither does he know about --lavcopts fourcc=divx
11:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
11:42 <Your_mom_arma> wrtlprnft: could you #m zman that i have a recording of the engine crash from pig sty
11:45 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: uh, he isn't in here that often
11:45 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: you're better off if you ask on the forums
11:45 <Your_mom_arma> okay
12:19 <Lucifer_arma> man, even a wacom cintiq tablet by itself is half the price of a tablet pc
12:20 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'd be better off with that pepper web thingee
12:28 <Lucifer_arma> I take it back, they want $2500 for their cintiq, that's a lot more than a tablet pc :/
12:29 <wrtlprnft> I want my old console font back!
12:29 <wrtlprnft> this one sucks.
12:30 <Your_mom_arma> not good enough for your team?
12:33 <wrtlprnft> uh
12:33 <wrtlprnft> oh, i was supposed to ask him?
12:33 <wrtlprnft> argh
12:33 <wrtlprnft> sure he's good.
12:37 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'll trade my compaq for a real tablet pc
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12:40 <madmax|pt> hello
12:43 <wrtlprnft> hi there
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12:45 <Lucifer_arma> man, I'll trade my compaq for a real tablet pc
12:45 <Your_mom_arma> :-/
12:45 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:46 <wrtlprnft> man, I'll trade my compaq for a real tablet pc
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> <wrtlprnft> man, I'll trade my compaq for a real tablet pc
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, thought it ws worth mentioning twice in case these newcomers had a tablet pc they'd trade for my compaq
12:48 <Your_mom_arma> tablet pcs are way to expensive
12:48 <Your_mom_arma> why do you wnat one?
12:48 <cusco_> probabl because its a expensive toy :P
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> to take notes
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> http://xournal.sourceforge.net
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> add some handwriting recognition that understands integrals/derivatives/limits and I've got a math note taker
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> with a keyboard I can still take notes for my other classes like I already do, and they tend to be a bit lighter than the 7-pounder I'm lugging around
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5638626152.html   <--- this is still looking like the best bet
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> or I can go for the Nokia 770, which is coming in fairly close to my price range
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> and can replace my aging clie that's about to die
12:51 <Your_mom_arma> i want to get a pda and make zman port arma to it
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12:52 <Lucifer_arma> I might be able to recover up to $500 by selling my presario, maybe more, but that's only if I get a tablet and can replace the laptop
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> that pepper pad won't replace the laptop, and neither would a nokia 770
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, if I preorder a pepper pad and then write a review for it, I might recover $250 from that, bringing it down to within my price range
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12:53 <Your_mom_arma> you mean get one of those wrting tab replacment mouse things?
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, exactly
12:55 <Your_mom_arma> im kind of asleep and playing arma thus the disorientation
12:55 <Lucifer_arma> it still needs a keyboard to do what I need from it, though, but most of the tablet pcs have keyboards
12:55 <Your_mom_arma> you had to stop playing to wait for him to join wrtlprnft
12:56 <spidey> what where those old ass pc's
12:56 <spidey> they where really small
12:56 <spidey> had a apple symbol
12:56 <spidey> had like a little keybord or something rack
12:56 <Your_mom_arma> macintosh?
12:56 <spidey> maybe
12:56 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: anyways, wanna join my team? ;)
12:56 <spidey> i sold one of those a looooooooooong time ago at a yardsale
12:57 <wrtlprnft> #later tell ghab* if i was going to make a ladle team, would you join?
12:57 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
12:57 -!- hiab [n=none@nc-67-76-105-61.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has joined #armagetron
12:57 <hiab> hi
12:57 <Your_mom_arma> if you can get lacksadaisical on your team and i get to name it okay
12:57 <wrtlprnft> hi
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> no, I'm after something that's basically a regular notebook, only the screen folds down to cover the keyboard and you can use a pen on it
12:57 <hiab> whoa christ everyone is in here
12:57 <wrtlprnft> haha
12:57 <Your_mom_arma> hi
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> that's never happened before
12:58 <Your_mom_arma> you guys really had to quit playing to join irc?
12:58 <hiab> i didn't have to
12:58 <hiab> but i did
12:58 <wrtlprnft> Your_mom_arma: i have other stuff to do :s
12:58 <wrtlprnft> i can't play, but i have no problem chatting
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> list is $1699, actual price is $1649, why do I feel like I won't save any real money at that price point?
13:01 <wrtlprnft> hiab: anyways, any good ideas for a team name
13:02  * wrtlprnft is totally uncreative
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> FIghting Smegheads
13:02 <hiab> haha
13:02 <hiab> so are we the only two right now/
13:03 <wrtlprnft> hiab: there's a 90% chance i'll get vanhayes to join
13:03 <hiab> ok i don't know anything about him
13:03 <Lucifer_arma> oh, that's help I'm a bug
13:03 <hiab> yes :D
13:03  * Lucifer_arma finally figured out hiab, heh
13:03 <wrtlprnft> he's quite a nice guy, but bad lag sometimes
13:03 <Lucifer_arma> he's a dickhead
13:03 <Lucifer_arma> heh
13:04 <Lucifer_arma> ltns, bugboy
13:04 <wrtlprnft> it could be Hi In A Bit o_O
13:04 <hiab> yep yep...
13:04 <Lucifer_arma> well I better git to bed, first class is only 6 hours away
13:04 <hiab> night
13:04 <Lucifer_arma> and I've just about scraped the web of all useful tablet pc info
13:05 <wrtlprnft> night Lucifer_arma 
13:05 <hiab> this is even harder than coming up with names for bands. on the other hand it has less... importance
13:05 <wrtlprnft> true
13:05 <wrtlprnft> heh, there have been bad team names already
13:05 <hiab> what are the teams
13:05 <Your_mom_arma> team monster truck
13:06 <wrtlprnft> currently just tronic monkeys and WPN
13:06 <wrtlprnft> but the 3rd ladle just ended
13:06 <hiab> Pretty Colors
13:06 <hiab> :)
13:06 <wrtlprnft> so it needs time for people to sign up
13:06 <wrtlprnft> don't expect WPN to be any competition
13:08 <hiab> just so i know: what does your name mean?
13:09 <wrtlprnft> heh, not that much
13:09 <wrtlprnft> no vovels
13:09 <wrtlprnft> #cyborg wrtlprnft 
13:09 <armabot> wrtlprnft: W.R.T.L.P.R.N.F.T.: Wireless Robotic Technician Limited to Potential Repair, Nullification and Forbidden Troubleshooting
13:10 <hiab> :o
13:10 <wrtlprnft> hiab meet armabot, armabot meet hiab 
13:10 <cusco_> how cool is that, hu?
13:10 <hiab> that's pretty neat
13:10 -!- cusco_ is now known as cusco
13:10 <hiab> hello armabot
13:10 <wrtlprnft> #hi
13:10 <Your_mom_arma> #cyborg hiab
13:10 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: H.I.A.B.: Humanoid Intended for Assassination and Battle
13:10 <wrtlprnft> #g armagetronad wiki
13:10 <hiab> hahahahaha
13:10 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
13:10 <wrtlprnft> ack
13:10 <wrtlprnft> #google armagetronad wiki
13:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.36 seconds: Main Page - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/>; Playing the Game - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Playing_the_Game>; ArmageTRON Advanced - CIA: <http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad>; ArmageTRON Advanced - CIA: <http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad?s_message=1>; Armagetron Forums :: View topic - (2 more messages)
13:10 <hiab> #cyborg hiab
13:11 <armabot> hiab: H.I.A.B.: Humanoid Intended for Assassination and Battle
13:11 <cusco> #cyborg cusco
13:11 <armabot> cusco: C.U.S.C.O.: Cybernetic Unit Skilled in Calculation and Observation
13:11 <wrtlprnft> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
13:11 <cusco> woa
13:11 <armabot> the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
13:11 <hiab> honestly, that's pretty awesome
13:11 <wrtlprnft> #g 100 seconds in years
13:11 <armabot> 100 seconds = 3.16887646 * 10^(-6) years
13:11 <cusco> and cusco in my language means "curious"
13:11 <hiab> #cyborg nnnnnnnnnn
13:11 <armabot> hiab: N.N.N.N.N.N.N.N.N.N.: Networked Nuclear Neohuman Normally for Nocturnal Nullification, Necessary Negotiation and Nimble Nanotechnology
13:12 <hiab> hahaha
13:12 <cusco> lol
13:12 <Your_mom_arma> #cyborg Your_mom
13:12 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: Y.O.U.R.M.O.M.: Ytterbium Operational Unit Responsible for Mathematics and Online Murder
13:12 <hiab> online murder?/
13:12 <hiab> wow
13:12 <hiab> harsh
13:13 <spidey> #cyborg spidey
13:13 <armabot> spidey: S.P.I.D.E.Y.: Synthetic Positronic Individual Designed for Efficient Yelling
13:13 <hiab> that's kinda lame, dude
13:13 <hiab> :/
13:13 <wrtlprnft> #cyborg YYZZZXXX
13:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Y.Y.Z.Z.Z.X.X.X.: Youth Yearning for Zealous Zoology, Zesty Xenocide and Xpert Xecution
13:13 <Your_mom_arma> lame but accurate
13:13 <Your_mom_arma> :)
13:13 <hiab> #cyborg helpimabug
13:13 <spidey> o.o
13:13 <armabot> hiab: H.E.L.P.I.M.A.B.U.G.: Handcrafted Electronic Lifeform Programmed for Immediate Mathematics, Accurate Battle and Ultimate Gratification
13:13 <hiab> ultimate gratification!
13:14 <Your_mom_arma> jk around
13:14  * wrtlprnft still can't come up with a good name
13:14 <Your_mom_arma> Monster truck is a good team name
13:15 <wrtlprnft> hiab: agree?
13:15 <hiab> no :/
13:15 <Your_mom_arma> haha
13:15 <wrtlprnft> x_X
13:15 <wrtlprnft> team 42?
13:15 <hiab> just team monster would be better
13:16 <wrtlprnft> uh, ok
13:16 <spidey> team pwn
13:16 <wrtlprnft> we can still change it
13:16 <wrtlprnft> spidey: nah
13:16 <wrtlprnft> sound sto much like team wpn
13:16 <hiab> team tame mate meat
13:16 <spidey> lo
13:16 <spidey> ll
13:16 <wrtlprnft> #shuffle t e a m
13:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: t e a m
13:16 <hiab> haha
13:16 <wrtlprnft> lame
13:16 <wrtlprnft> #shuffle t e a m
13:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: e a m t
13:17 <hiab> #shuffle ambidexterity
13:17 <armabot> hiab: ambidexterity
13:17 <hiab> oh
13:17 <hiab> has to be separated
13:17 <spidey> #shuffle t e a m e
13:17 <armabot> spidey: t e a e m
13:17 <hiab> #shuffle a b c d e f g h i
13:17 <armabot> hiab: b f c d i g a e h
13:17 <spidey> #shuffle t e a m e
13:17 <armabot> spidey: e a e t m
13:17 <wrtlprnft> well, i'll name it team monster for now
13:17 <wrtlprnft> we can still change it
13:17 <hiab> yeah of course
13:18 <spidey> #shuffle t e a m e
13:18 <armabot> spidey: e t e m a
13:18 <hiab> shit
13:18 <hiab> it's 7 am
13:18  * spidey wants it to say eatme
13:18 <hiab> ugh
13:18 <spidey> 6"30am
13:18 <Your_mom_arma> 719 am
13:18 <spidey> liar
13:18 <spidey> %g CDT
13:19 <spidey> %g CDT
13:19  * Your_mom_arma double checks
13:19 <spidey> 'er
13:19 <Your_mom_arma> nope its 19 minutes
13:19 <spidey> no
13:19 <spidey> my computer says it's 4:20am
13:19 <spidey> lol
13:19 <Your_mom_arma> too bad
13:19 <wrtlprnft> hiab: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Ladle-4/Team_List
13:19 <wrtlprnft> add your name, and be sure to read http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Ladle-4
13:19 <spidey> Your_mom_arma, manta said he put your name down
13:21 <Your_mom_arma> well why?
13:22 <spidey> steve irwin got killed by a stingray
13:22 <Your_mom_arma> old news
13:24 <spidey> man i don't feel like climbing back ontop of the house
13:24 <spidey> we need a ladder
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16:34 <madmax|pt> did you recruit 'help im a bug' wrtlprnft ?
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17:49 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: oui
17:50 <wrtlprnft> he's playing quite nicely, though he hasn't played fortress yet
17:54 <madmax|pt> he was giving him some tips a while ago
17:54 <madmax|pt> smart new players are always nice
17:55 <madmax|pt> i think he was excited about the idea...
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17:57 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt: yeah
17:57 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6162 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/AATeam/wrtlprnft-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: removed all camera attributes, they didn't make sense anyways.
17:58 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I confirmed the FourCC changing works for XVID and DIVX
17:59 <[dlh]> wrtlprnft: Mind if I leech off your feed? http://generalconsumption.org/tmp/browser.png
18:00 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: not at all
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18:00 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: but how do i tell that to mencoder?
18:01 <wrtlprnft> 93 audio & 211 video codecs
18:01 <wrtlprnft> --fourcc is not an MEncoder option
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18:04 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6163 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/resource/proto/AATeam/wrtlprnft-0.0.1.aacockpit.xml: Increased version number too
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18:09 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/wrtlprnft/testfile-0.0.3.aacockpit.xml: Resource by wrtlprnft
18:14 <wrtlprnft> [dlh]: tell me if you need “next update” times, ie how long the client should wait at least before requesting the file again
18:44 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft:  http://www.debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=443825&sid=1172691e2802fb98c094a2af063aac1d
18:44 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: seems to be a optional compile time option
18:46 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: my mplayer is compiled with divx support…
18:46 <wrtlprnft> at least portage says so
18:47 <wrtlprnft> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
18:47 <wrtlprnft> Calculating dependencies   ... done!
18:47 <wrtlprnft> [ebuild   R   ] media-video/mplayer-1.0_pre8  USE="X aac aalib alsa encode esd gif gtk ipv6 jpeg live mad opengl oss png real sdl sse sse2 theora truetype unicode vorbis win32codecs xmms xv xvid xvmc -3dfx -3dnow -3dnowext -arts -bidi -bindist -bl -cdparanoia -cpudetection -custom-cflags -debug -dga -directfb -doc -dts -dv -dvb -dvd -dvdread -fbcon -ggi -i8x0 -jack -joystick -libcaca -lirc -livecd -lzo -matrox -mmx -mmxext -musepack -nas -nvidia -openal -rtc -samba -speex -svga -tga -v4l -v4l2 -x264 -xanim -xinerama" 0 kB 
18:47 <wrtlprnft> Total size of downloads: 0 kB
18:48 <wrtlprnft> xvid...
18:49 <wrtlprnft> that guy didn't find a solution for him either btw
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19:10 <joda_bot> no mencoder
19:11 <joda_bot> sorry did not read to the end
19:13 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: mencoder is part of mplayer
19:14 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: that is, if you compile it with the encode USE flag
19:14 <wrtlprnft> MEncoder 1.0pre8-3.4.6 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
19:14 <wrtlprnft> CPU:         Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1300MHz (Family: 6, Model: 9, Stepping: 5)
19:14 <wrtlprnft> MMX supported but disabled
19:14 <wrtlprnft> MMX2 supported but disabled
19:14 <wrtlprnft> CPUflags: Type: 6 MMX: 0 MMX2: 0 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
19:14 <wrtlprnft> Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: SSE SSE2
19:14 <wrtlprnft> 93 audio & 211 video codecs
19:14 <wrtlprnft> No file given
19:14 <wrtlprnft> Exiting... (error parsing command line)
19:14 <wrtlprnft> err
19:14 <wrtlprnft> sorry
19:14 <wrtlprnft> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
19:14 <wrtlprnft> Calculating dependencies   
19:14 <wrtlprnft> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "mencoder".
19:14 <wrtlprnft> that's what i wanted
19:15  * wrtlprnft notes that /exec -o is dangerous
19:22 <guru3> np
19:24 <wrtlprnft> bb in like 1 hour
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21:28 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6164 /private/wrtlprnft/armaspyadvanced/armaspyadvanced.py: (log message trimmed)
21:28 <armabot> armagetronad: - Reinstanciated the quit menu item
21:28 <armabot> armagetronad: - New buddy feature: click on the systray icon to bring up a config screen, then
21:28 <armabot> armagetronad: click on "buddies". You can now add your favorite players (regex) and they'll
21:28 <armabot> armagetronad: appear in the popup menu if they're online (together with the server they're on,
21:28 <armabot> armagetronad: if you click them you directly connect to that server).
21:28 <armabot> armagetronad: - New feature that lets you see all online players on a glance
21:35 <wrtlprnft> take that, armabell!
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22:53 <joda_bot> ding
22:54 <wrtlprnft> …
22:54 <wrtlprnft> someone tell me what those edits on [[Map Making]] are about...
22:56 <joda_bot> no idea ;)
22:56 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Can you use a hexeditor to change the fourcc (that's what I did ;))
22:57 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: what do i need to change then?
22:57  * wrtlprnft wonders if he actually has a hex editor
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23:31 <joda_bo1> wrtlprnft: just look for FMP4 and replace the two occurences with XVID or DIVX
23:31 <joda_bo1> this makes the videos playable for me
23:31 <joda_bo1> DIVX ist probably more common
23:33 <wrtlprnft> ok
23:33 <wrtlprnft> now i just need to find a hex editor that works
23:33 <wrtlprnft> i don't feel like loading a 250MB file with vim
23:37 <joda_bo1> hexedit ?
23:37 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:37 <wrtlprnft> emerging
23:38 <wrtlprnft> 0000006C   76 69 64 73  46 4D 50 34  00 00 00 00  vidsFMP4....
23:38 <wrtlprnft> that line?
23:39 <joda_bo1> there shoule be two
23:39 <joda_bo1> not sure which one is comment and which one is important
23:39 <joda_bo1> I changed both
23:40 <wrtlprnft> i see it
23:40 <wrtlprnft> looks like i can't edit the ascii directly
23:40 <wrtlprnft> need to punch in hex codes :s
23:41 <wrtlprnft> 0000006C   76 69 64 73  44 49 56 58  00 00 00 00  vidsDIVX....
23:41 <wrtlprnft> 000000B4   E0 01 00 00  01 00 18 00  44 49 56 58  ........DIVX
23:42 <wrtlprnft> i love that cool help feature… just shows me the manpage
23:42 <wrtlprnft> VIDEO:  [DIVX]  640x480  24bpp  30.000 fps  799.3 kbps (97.6 kbyte/s)
23:42 <wrtlprnft> looks like it worked :)
23:44 <wrtlprnft> now, how do i upload it? :s
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23:49 <wrtlprnft> > We're experiencing system slowness - please try again in a little while.  Thanks for your patience!
23:49 <wrtlprnft> that's what i get now when trying to edit my video :s
23:50 <joda_bo1> ask for ssh access, then you can just transfer the differences ;)
23:50 <wrtlprnft> that's probably gonna take even longer
23:51 <joda_bo1> why ?
23:51 <wrtlprnft> well, to wait for them to reply
23:51 <wrtlprnft> i can upload it over night no problem
23:52 <joda_bo1> with rsync you can just compute the differences, the system speed is slow or the cpu there ?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> dunno
23:52 <wrtlprnft> if i had ssh access i'd just copy over the first few kilibytes
23:52 <wrtlprnft> or run hexedit on there
23:52 <joda_bo1> oh right ;)
23:53 <joda_bo1> some kind of ftp resume transfer might work too ,)
23:53 <wrtlprnft> well, i dunno how that works
23:53 <joda_bo1> there are no good FTP clients that really implement these features in a sane way
23:54 <joda_bo1> just thousands of halfbaked FTP clients
23:55 <wrtlprnft> x_X
23:55 <joda_bo1> AFAIK (might be someone can correct me ;))
23:57 <wrtlprnft> upload for awavsawb is going
23:58 <wrtlprnft> the other upload's going too now
23:59 <wrtlprnft> probably gonna take two hours now
23:59 <joda_bo1> does not sound too slow 
23:59 <joda_bo1> What kind of connection do you use for upload ?

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