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Log from 2006-08-19:
--- Day changed Sat Aug 19 2006
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00:28 <dino__> hi
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01:00 <dino__> luke-jr_, 
01:00 <dino__> lets have our server
01:00 <dino__> those guys have good experince
01:01 <guru3> surely not more freeciv?
01:01 <dino__> it is freeciv
01:01 <guru3> D:
01:01 <dino__> im in ready server if you wanna play
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01:13 <ghableska_> wb
01:13 <guru3> thnx
01:37 <luke-jr_> guru3: why don't you setup IPv6 normally? =p
01:38 <luke-jr_> I know your host address isn't just '1' =p
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04:20 <luke-jr_> yay
04:20 <luke-jr_> I won a game
04:20 <ghableska_> :D
04:20 <luke-jr_> with AIs
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04:29 <DrJoeTron> way to go luke! fight the machine!
04:30 <Lucifer_arma> then you should have no problems defeating anhayes :)
04:32 <Lucifer_arma> so has anybody figured out how to add spawn points to a save game?
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> you know, so we can add inca and aussie (and japan, for luke) ?
04:33 <TiTnAsS> luci
04:33 <TiTnAsS> you there?
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> no
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> heh
04:33 <Lucifer_arma> what?
04:34 <TiTnAsS> i read a good chunk of the manual, and played a bit, but in freeciv, how do you get gold?..
04:34 <TiTnAsS> lol..
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> taxes
04:34 <Lucifer_arma> there's a balance between taxes, science, and luxury, where taxes is gold, science is technology (of course), and luxury makes happy citizens
04:34 <TiTnAsS> yeah, i noticed that, every time i tried to change the balance, it reverted when i hit close
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> taxes are on trade.  When you look at a city, you see that the city produces something that looks like this:  5/4/2
04:35 <TiTnAsS> also, the more citys, the more tax, the more money?
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, cities produce food/shield/trade .  So when you see a number like that on a city, that's what it means
04:35 <Lucifer_arma> taxes are on trade specifically
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> then, if you send out caravans (which you should), when the caravan arrives and you setup a trade route, you get a cash bonus
04:36 <TiTnAsS> oic
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> you also get increased trade for both cities which turns into tax revenue
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> when you conquer a city, you usually loot some of the other player's treasury
04:36 <TiTnAsS> i havnt gotten to building trade routes or anything yet lol
04:36 <TiTnAsS> so far, what ive done, is built a few citys, and made a few additional warriors/settlers ^^
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> and finally, you can sell city improvements for their cash value, but you only do that when you need to lower expenses or raise money quickly
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> ah, focus on developing the cities.  Try working with the CMA tab in the city dialog, too, I found that very helpful.
04:37 <TiTnAsS> and some random random ai unit walk over to me, but then i didnt know what to do.. and i followed it to some city, but once again i didnt know what to do lol
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, roads generate trade, irrigation generates food, and mines generate shields
04:37 <Lucifer_arma> you can build all of that stuff with settlers, workers, and engineers
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to start putting about half of my workers/engineers on auto-settler and keeping the other half under manual control for special projects
04:38 <TiTnAsS> what are warriors for early in the game?
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> war?
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> here's how war works :)
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> with a unit, you have a rating that looks like this:  4/4/1 Musketeer
04:38 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: It's not Vanhayes_ I'm worried about
04:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's attack/defense/movement
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> when you attack a unit, it's your unit's attack vs the other units defense + some random element
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> in a city, if you attack a city, you kill one unit at a time
04:39 <Lucifer_arma> out in the open, if you attack a square with lots of units and win, you kill all of them at once
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> that's true in a fort, too.  A fort behaves like a regular square, so I prefer to build cities instead of forts.  Cities also get built quickly.  :)
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04:40 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I'm worried about them barbarians
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I'll take care of the barbarians for you :)
04:40 <luke-jr_> suuure
04:40 <TiTnAsS> yeah, i tried to attack with my warrior, but the attack move button was shaded out
04:40 <luke-jr_> you don't even have a city
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'm probably somewhere around 3-4 hours from actually mounting the invasion
04:40 <luke-jr_> attack move button?
04:40 <luke-jr_> wtf is that
04:40 <TiTnAsS> in order
04:40 <Lucifer_arma> wait, I'm playing Stalin still, remember?
04:41 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: no, that's Van
04:41 <TiTnAsS> i think it said attack move, but maybe im accidentally using wc3 terms
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> you attack by moving into a square occupied by an enemy
04:41  * spidey yawns
04:41 <TiTnAsS> ah, it wouldnt let me move into the square the other unit was in
04:41 <luke-jr_> cuz it don't like u
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: well, I thought we were going to pick up where we left off last night?  We saved it off when you and spidey cut out, that same turn
04:41 <TiTnAsS> does that mean its allied?
04:41 <luke-jr_> the game has a bias, you see
04:41 <TiTnAsS> - -;
04:41 <Lucifer_arma> no, you can pass through allied units
04:41 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: no, that was just practice anyhow
04:42 <TiTnAsS> hmm, guess im just a fob ^^
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> ah, I know what you ran into.  You can't attack when you're at peace or neutral with the other guy
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> you have to declare war to be able to attack him :)
04:42 <TiTnAsS> also, i overheard you guys talking about keeping some settlers and stuff in the cities to help build it up, and i put a few in, but i didnt see what it was supposed to help with
04:42 <luke-jr_> wtf
04:42 <luke-jr_> no
04:42 <TiTnAsS> -.-
04:42 <luke-jr_> settlers settle
04:42 <luke-jr_> that's all
04:42 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: well, either we start a new game or restore that one.  If you guys want to finish the game with Vanhayes, then someone else needs to host it, or you need to tell me when you're going to play it so I can run it and do something else
04:43 <TiTnAsS> or engineers, or whatever units they were
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> you can use settlers to build roads too, but you're usually better off using them to build cities
04:43 <TiTnAsS> i know what they are for ^^
04:43 <Lucifer_arma> you don't keep them inside the city square itself.  See, the city square is just a city square, the city itself expands around that square with workers
04:43 <TiTnAsS> i thought i heard someone say keep units inside cities to help them grow
04:43 <Your_mom_arma> i'll play as long as some random guy doesnt come in and take over all my cities just because im the noob whos playing as america
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> so you use the Worker unit and engineers (after you get explosives) to build roads, irrigate, and mines, and railroads
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> that's called "developing the city".  You do that and you build city improvements
04:44 <Lucifer_arma> Your_mom_arma: we usually play on my server, so it's just friends
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> so if someone owns you for being a noob, it'll be someone you'll meet up in arma and can own them in return :)
04:45 <TiTnAsS> lol
04:45 <TiTnAsS> hmm
04:45 <Lucifer_arma> but most of us prefer to have at least gunpowder before we make war, I like to have cruise missiles, so I tend to be very peaceful for a long time
04:45 <TiTnAsS> i guess back to testing vs ais
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> actually, you might be better off joining a game with us, if you can hit "turn done" at a reasonable interval :)
04:46 <TiTnAsS> your mom, are you newb like me? ^^
04:46 <TiTnAsS> hmm, have you guys started yeT?
04:46 <TiTnAsS> i wont have to take over someone elses area? - -;
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> I'm about half an hour away from being ready to start.  Trying to outwait my wife.
04:46 <Lucifer_arma> if I start playing before she goes to bed, she'll stay up an extra hour and barrage me with small-talk
04:47 <Lucifer_arma> if we play on the world map again, though, I'd like to figure out spawn points and add aussie and inca to the map
04:47 <TiTnAsS> btw, im trying to keep to one line, so just say if im taking to many ^^, i dont WANT to be a troll
04:48 <TiTnAsS> did you make the world map?
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> well, just don't break up a line into 4-5 lines that are all part of a complete thought at random parts of the sentence.  :)
04:48 <TiTnAsS> lol
04:48 <Lucifer_arma> no, it came with the game, but I've been kind of modifying it to suit us
04:48 <TiTnAsS> ah
04:49 <TiTnAsS> oh, another question, what are spaceships for? it doesnt look like there is space on this map.. lol
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> which reminds me.  What tech level do you guys want now?  Heh.  Also, I'd prefer to slow down technological advancement.
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> there isn't space on the map.  Spaceships are for winning the game.
04:49 <TiTnAsS> ?
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> The winner of the game is the first person who:  (broken up intentionally)
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> Conquers the world
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> *OR*
04:49 <Lucifer_arma> Sends a space ship to alpha centauri
04:49 <TiTnAsS> ic
04:49 <spidey> you guys playing again?
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> half an hour for me
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> *in half an hour for me
04:50 <spidey> hmm
04:50  * spidey wonders how long he slept for
04:50 <Lucifer_arma> so you didn't work out spawn points in the map?
04:50 <spidey> i THINK i went to sleep at 6am,but probably didn't
04:50 <TiTnAsS> spidey, wanna go on tron til luci wants to play?
04:51 <spidey> Lucifer_arma,no i just woke up
04:51 <spidey> -_-
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> I want to put the tech speed thingee at somewheres around 12 instead of 4.  I thought tech development was just too fast.
04:51 <spidey> maybe
04:51 <Lucifer_arma> of course, that means if we're going to finish the game in less than a week, we have to fight instead of trying for spaceships :/
04:52 <spidey> lol
04:52  * spidey goes to look at the world map while eating ice cream
04:52 <TiTnAsS> hmm
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> settlers=2
04:52 <Lucifer_arma> explorer=2
04:53 <Lucifer_arma> what do those do?
04:53 <spidey> what you start with?
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04:53 <TiTnAsS> ?
04:54 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's somewhere else, the starting unit string
04:56 <Your_mom_arma> set it to 100 if it crashes then we did something wrong
04:56 <spidey> todd?
04:56 <Lucifer_arma> see, (63,31) for the Mongol starting point is wrong if you try to match it up on the map
04:57 <spidey> no
04:57 <spidey> this is gonna take forever
04:57 <TiTnAsS> i wish i could run a server just to fool around with joe -.-
04:57 <spidey> i gotta count those A's -_-
04:58 <Vanhayes> ?
04:58 <spidey> y = t000-t089
04:58 <Vanhayes> so how did you guys do against the AI last night?
04:58 <spidey> x = those stupid A's
04:58 <Lucifer_arma> #g 167-107
04:58 <armabot> 167 - 107 = 60
04:59 <spidey> lo
04:59 <spidey> l
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05:02 <Your_mom_arma> DrJoeTron: did you see the new metalocalypse episode?
05:03 <DrJoeTron> on the fix?
05:03 <Your_mom_arma> yeah
05:03 <DrJoeTron> you bet i did
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05:03 <Your_mom_arma> you mean i get to actually destroy american history?
05:03 <DrJoeTron> the frosting is made of mercury... if you eat it, it will kill you.
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> haha, got it
05:03 <Your_mom_arma> lol
05:03 <Lucifer_arma> now there's inca and australia available :)
05:03 <Your_mom_arma> i love that show
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05:04 <DrJoeTron> its getting better and better
05:04 <spidey> luci?
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05:04 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: ?
05:04 <Your_mom_arma> fishes dont gots no good metal
05:04 <spidey> wanna try a map for me?
05:04 <spidey> i tihnk i got it,kinda
05:04 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I was going to add japan for luke
05:05 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma: have you tried a mod pack yet?
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: would you rather start on a japanese island?  There's not much room for city building on that island
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: besides a tile set, no, I haven't tried any mod packs
05:05 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: or would you rather start like in Korea instead, but be Japanese
05:05  * Lucifer_arma is putting it in korea until luke-jr_ tells him differently
05:06 <Lucifer_arma> er, not korea, peninsula farther east
05:06 <Your_mom_arma> i got you just what you wanted... dissapointment
05:06 <spidey> r14sx=140
05:06 <spidey> r13sy=28
05:06 <spidey> r14snation="Inca"
05:06 <spidey> try those
05:06 <spidey> should put it just in canada
05:06 <DrJoeTron> hooo god
05:06 <Vanhayes> incas in canada?
05:07 <spidey> -_-
05:07 <DrJoeTron> Black than the blackest black.... times infinite...
05:07 <DrJoeTron> blacker*
05:07 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, where does that put it?
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> Oh, you want canadian on there?  heh
05:08 <Lucifer_arma> I put Inca in south america
05:08 <Your_mom_arma> pickles the drummer
05:09 <Lucifer_arma> I can add canadian and put them in canada
05:10 <DrJoeTron> i love pickles
05:10 <spidey> http://www.css3.info/preview/
05:10 <spidey> ;x
05:10 <TiTnAsS> lol
05:10 <DrJoeTron> the new venture bros
05:10 <DrJoeTron> it was cute
05:10 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I'd rather Japan
05:10 <DrJoeTron> not something id watch over and over
05:10 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: but I'd rather the map be to scale
05:10 <DrJoeTron> but it was good
05:10 <Your_mom_arma> enh
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> but there's only two spots to put a city in there
05:10 <Your_mom_arma> i though it was lacking
05:10 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: there is a japan map...
05:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, japan's a bunch of little islands, heh
05:10 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: world map
05:10 <DrJoeTron> yeah
05:11 <luke-jr_> need to make it to scale =p
05:11 <Your_mom_arma> hopefully the next episode picks up the series again
05:11 <luke-jr_> eg, enough room for the RL cities
05:11 <DrJoeTron> the one before that was great
05:11 <DrJoeTron> its been every other one has been gold
05:11 <luke-jr_> does Arma support > 16 players?
05:11 <spidey> yes
05:11 <luke-jr_> is there a minimum version?
05:12 <spidey> ??
05:12 <Your_mom_arma> 2.5 for net compatability
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: I think it is to scale already though
05:12 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: obviously not if Japan doesn't fit cities
05:12 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: scale of cities and land
05:12 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, yeah
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> well you can't have that, the game isn't going to let you do that anyway
05:13 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: so the client needs to be 2.5? how about server?
05:13 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: why nto?
05:13 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, come on, I live within shouting distance of 3 "cities"
05:13 <spidey> lmao
05:13 <Your_mom_arma> server can be 3.0 and client 2.5 with compatable settings of course
05:13 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: 0.2.8 won't work?
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> One of them would match up with like a 5 point city in freeciv, but the area covered in freeciv wouldn't be big enough
05:14 <spidey> if they use the override setting on the ones that block older clients
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> or it would be too big, depending on the size of the map :)
05:14 <Your_mom_arma> ?
05:14 <spidey> then it should work
05:14 <luke-jr_> I don't want to block old clients
05:14 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'll put you on japan if you really want it, but I'm not about to make japanese islands bigger to compensate for starting there
05:14 <luke-jr_> boo
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> otherwise, I'd rather not put it on japan.  Build a trireme early and send over two settlers and you can have it
05:15 <spidey> luke-jr_ then anytime it says older clients will be blocked because of a setting, use the override for it :p
05:15 <Your_mom_arma> just tweak settings till 2.5 can connect
05:15 <Lucifer_arma> develop it right and you'll have some nice high production cities
05:15 <luke-jr_> but the 0.2.8 server can have > 16 players, and still allow 0.2.5?
05:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i want to be atlantis
05:15 <spidey> :D
05:15 <Your_mom_arma> i think so
05:16 <luke-jr_> spidey: underwater?
05:17 <spidey> :)
05:17 <spidey> llets see a battleship get me then!
05:18 <spidey> http://www.css3.info/preview/rgba.html
05:18 <spidey> css3 is gonna own ;x
05:19 <GodTodd> blergle
05:20 <DrJoeTron> TF2 us wgat un wautubg fir
05:20 <TiTnAsS> luci, your wife asleep?
05:20 <DrJoeTron> is what im waiting for
05:20 <DrJoeTron> fuyking keyboard shift
05:20 <Your_mom_arma> looked like russian
05:21 <DrJoeTron> you know what, i did too
05:21 <DrJoeTron> thats what i though*
05:21 <DrJoeTron> im sorry, im really, really exhausted
05:21 <DrJoeTron> i was up in madison wisconsin 
05:21 <DrJoeTron> helping my friend move into his partment
05:21 <spidey> i'ma sign up for netflicks :D
05:21 <DrJoeTron> ...and being the designated driver :/
05:22 <spidey> sucks for you
05:22 <DrJoeTron> meh
05:22 <DrJoeTron> i dont drink anyways
05:22 <DrJoeTron> or do anything
05:22 <DrJoeTron> im kind of a loser
05:22 <spidey> you suck :p
05:22 <DrJoeTron> i have a hard enough time convincing people that im clean anyways
05:23 <spidey> :p
05:23 <DrJoeTron> my constitution is pretty bleak
05:23 <spidey> i don't really drink unless it's a special occasion
05:23 <spidey> like my birthday -_-
05:23 <spidey> bout the only time
05:23 <DrJoeTron> we got everything moved in
05:23 <DrJoeTron> that was the occasion
05:23 <DrJoeTron> so i stayed up all night
05:23 <spidey> there's like 7-8 in the bottum of the fridge that's been there almost a year
05:23 <DrJoeTron> and i had to drive to the gas station and shit
05:24 <luke-jr_> spidey: does CSS3 allow math?
05:24 <DrJoeTron> ii hate my friends car
05:24 <spidey> my uncle bought me a case 3 days ago,only drank 3 -_-
05:24 <DrJoeTron> stupid automatic floor shift
05:24 <spidey> luke-jr_ http://www.css3.info/preview/
05:24 <luke-jr_> spidey: css3.info looks unofficial
05:24 <DrJoeTron> im so used to column shift
05:25 <Your_mom_arma> 2.5 couldnt get the master server to poll scince z-mans master is down
05:25 <DrJoeTron> brb
05:25 <spidey> change the master server in master.srv ?
05:26 <Your_mom_arma> or steal the list from 2.3
05:26 <Your_mom_arma> er
05:26 <Your_mom_arma> 0.3
05:26 <Your_mom_arma> our numbering system can be confusing
05:27 <luke-jr_> spidey: indeed, that site is not css 3 at all
05:27 <luke-jr_> it is Mozilla-specific-hacks
05:29 <luke-jr_> ok, some looks like CSS3
05:29 <luke-jr_> but it also demonstrates non-standard extensions and CSS 2
05:29 <luke-jr_> text-shadow is CSS 2
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05:29 <GodTodd> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-roadmap/
05:30 <spidey> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-roadmap/#math
05:30 <luke-jr_> MathML is for content with math expressions, not math itself
05:31 <luke-jr_> I mean 50% + 2em
05:31 <luke-jr_> or 10% + 2cm + 1 em
05:32 <spidey> ??
05:32 <spidey> wtf you gonna use something like that for
05:32 <luke-jr_> ...
05:32 <luke-jr_> you're obviously a CSS newbie ;)
05:33 <spidey> ...
05:33 <luke-jr_> % + em is a common need
05:33 <spidey> why
05:33 <luke-jr_> positioning
05:33 <spidey> common my ass -_-
05:33 <luke-jr_> position:absolute is most of the time a hacked workaround for this missing
05:33 <luke-jr_> it should not be regularly used
05:33 <TiTnAsS> back
05:33 <TiTnAsS> you guys didnt start yet did you?
05:33 <spidey> luke-jr_, shuuuuuuuuuuut up
05:34 <luke-jr_> spidey: baka
05:34 <spidey> luke-jr_, bakax2
05:34 <luke-jr_> spidey: baka^inf
05:34 <spidey> -_-
05:34 <TiTnAsS> ..
05:34 <luke-jr_> ;)
05:34 <TiTnAsS> did you guys start a game yet?
05:34 <luke-jr_> no
05:34 <luke-jr_> no plans to\
05:34 <spidey> maybe
05:34 <luke-jr_> bbl
05:34 <TiTnAsS> luci said wed start one in a half hour about 40 minutes ago.
05:34 <spidey> when Lucifer_arma finish's the map
05:44 <Vanhayes> using the world map?
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05:51 <Lucifer_arma> sorry, looks like it might be a little longer
05:51 <spidey> -_-
05:51 <TiTnAsS> back
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> if you guys want to start up a game right now, then don't wait for me, but if you want to wait for me, you can
05:52 <TiTnAsS> nah
05:52 <TiTnAsS> ill wait ^^
05:52 <TiTnAsS> doesnt seem like anyone else really cares..
05:52 <spidey> no we won't,we don't like luci~
05:52 <spidey> !
05:52 <spidey> :p
05:52 <TiTnAsS> lol
05:52 <TiTnAsS> any idea when luci?
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> if I don't screw my wife tonight, I'm in big trouble
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> so it probably wont' take long
05:53 <spidey> lmao
05:53 <TiTnAsS> o.o
05:53 <arctanx> only on irc...
05:53 <TiTnAsS> lol
05:57 <DrJoeTron> this nacho cheese is utter crap
06:00 <spidey> #last --from DrJoeTron --with loser
06:00 <armabot> spidey: [05:23:24] <DrJoeTron> im kind of a loser
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06:05 <DrJoeTron> and ho
06:05 <DrJoeTron> w
06:05 <DrJoeTron> :/
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06:08 <Your_mom_arm1> arm1 not to be confused with arm2
06:08 <TiTnAsS> ?
06:09 <TiTnAsS> weird
06:09 <TiTnAsS> Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php:259) in /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php on line 503
06:09 <TiTnAsS> up at the top of the forum page
06:09 <TiTnAsS> Warning:  fsockopen(): unable to connect to electricpotential.net:80 in /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php on line 259
06:09 <DrJoeTron> why is it so hard for invader to get his ds online!
06:09 <TiTnAsS> Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php:259) in /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php on line 497
06:09 <TiTnAsS> Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php:259) in /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php on line 503
06:09 <TiTnAsS> Warning: Cannot modify header information - headers already sent by (output started at /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php:259) in /wwwroot/armagetronforums/includes/page_header.php on line 504
06:09 <Your_mom_arm1> dont spam it
06:09 <Your_mom_arm1> just refresh the page
06:10 <DrJoeTron> yeah, jerkface malloy
06:10 <TiTnAsS> whats it mean
06:10 <TiTnAsS> o.o
06:10 <TiTnAsS> lol
06:10 <DrJoeTron> it means you're an imposter!
06:11 <TiTnAsS> ..
06:11 <DrJoeTron> why must you turn this channel into a house of lies!?
06:11 <TiTnAsS> your an imposter - -;
06:11 <Your_mom_arm1> haha
06:11 <TiTnAsS> i just talked to zig
06:11 <TiTnAsS> on msn
06:11 <TiTnAsS> ^^
06:11 <DrJoeTron> man
06:11 <DrJoeTron> my whole trip
06:11 <DrJoeTron> consisted of people quoting the simpsons, and singing really horrible 90's early 90's songs
06:12 <DrJoeTron> 80's*
06:12 <spidey> good!
06:12 <DrJoeTron> i wanted to go insane
06:12 <Your_mom_arm1> quoting the simpsons has its place but never nonstop on a roadtrip
06:12 <DrJoeTron> they were good quotes at least
06:13 <DrJoeTron> like as obscure as simpsons goes
06:13 <DrJoeTron> it was welcomed by me.
06:13 <DrJoeTron> but man
06:13 <DrJoeTron> if i hear whip it, or "how bizzare" ever again
06:13 <DrJoeTron> fuck those songs
06:14 <Your_mom_arm1> quick someone find a lego version of those songs in flash for joe
06:14 <DrJoeTron> i'll ruin you!
06:15  * spidey goes to find them
06:15 <Your_mom_arm1> i've never seen them but if it was pop culture someone made it in lego form
06:15 <DrJoeTron> You mean actually get to destrou American History?
06:15 <Your_mom_arm1> and someone stole it and made it into flash
06:15 <DrJoeTron> jesus i just watched it again
06:17 <Your_mom_arm1> couldnt you wait till it premiered tomorrow?
06:18 <DrJoeTron> who says i wont watch it again :d
06:19 <Your_mom_arm1> cya guys
06:19 <DrJoeTron> ta
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06:19 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: we need a way to specify for cockpit maps, the viewed area
06:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: i know
06:19 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: eg, 100% would scale the entire map to fit, but 1 would just show 1 unit
06:19 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma wanted to do it, but i haven't heard from him since
06:20 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: the problem with scaling is that the map just can't display part walls as of right now
06:21 <wrtlprnft> there would need to be some math. Not that complicated maybe but it would have to be done for all lines it draws, which might make it slower
06:30 <Lucifer_arma> there's a gl command I was looking at, glOrtho or something like that that looked like it would do it for us
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> any, a smoke, and then if there's afreeciv game to be had, I'll take it
06:31 <spidey> ;x
06:41 <spidey> holy shit
06:41 <spidey> i slept through friday!?!
06:41 <spidey> #time
06:41 <armabot> spidey: 06:42 AM, August 19, 2006
06:41 <spidey> o.o
06:42 <spidey> #last --from spidey --with #night
06:42 <armabot> spidey: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 3540 messages.
06:42 <spidey> O.o
06:48 <Vanhayes> #last --from spidey --with night
06:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: [06:43:24] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with #night
06:48 <Vanhayes> #last --from spidey --with night --nolimit
06:48 <armabot> Vanhayes: [06:43:24] <spidey> #last --from spidey --with #night
06:48 <Vanhayes> bah
06:49 <spidey> #realchatlogs
06:49 <armabot> spidey: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/
06:50 <wrtlprnft> they stopped updating again
06:50 <wrtlprnft> i need to fix my network :(
06:50 <wrtlprnft> updated.
06:50 <spidey> 11:23 <spidey> #night
06:50 <spidey> that's when i went to sleep
06:50 <spidey> what time is that my time? O.o
06:50 <spidey> wait
06:51 <spidey> no 
06:51 <wrtlprnft> 7 hours earlier
06:51 <wrtlprnft> the times on these logs are kinda messy anyways
06:52 <spidey> 13:49  * spidey drops kicks luke-jr_then goes back to sleep
06:53 <spidey> there's when i went to sleep
06:53 <spidey> the 18th
06:53 <wrtlprnft> part is CST, part CDT, part GMT-2
06:53 <spidey> O.o
06:53 <spidey> hmm
06:53 <wrtlprnft> well, this computer moved a lot :P
06:56 <spidey> [07:50] * spidey drops kicks luke-jr_then goes back to sleep
06:56 <spidey> hmm
06:56 <spidey> not sure what my times are
06:57 <wrtlprnft> 6 hours?!
06:57 <wrtlprnft> that's weird
06:57 <spidey> huh?
06:57 <wrtlprnft> #g 13 -7
06:57 <armabot> 13 - 7 = 6
06:57 <spidey> i went to sleep during morning times,i know that much
06:58 <Vanhayes> morning as in 3-5 am?
06:58 <spidey> sad when you don't know when the fuck you went to sleep :))
06:58 <spidey> no i have to feed my dogs before i goto sleep
06:58 <spidey> at 6am
06:58 <Vanhayes> man I went to sleep at 5 am last night, not doing that again
06:59 <spidey> Lucifer_arma??
06:59 <Vanhayes> freeciv games take too long, you need 6+ hours to finish one
06:59 <spidey> Vanhayes not if someone would set a timeout
06:59 <spidey> 6-7 minutes a turn is rediculus
07:00 <Vanhayes> spidey you were usually the last to turn
07:00 <spidey> because i forget to press turn done :p
07:00 <spidey> but besides that they're still usually people taking long
07:00 <Vanhayes> lol, you should really try that option
07:01 <spidey> what option?
07:01 <wrtlprnft> turn time limits suck :(
07:01 <Vanhayes> where it hits turn done for you automatically when no more of your troops can move
07:02 <GodTodd> that only works sometimes
07:02 <GodTodd> i tried it
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> she is so persistent sometimes, heh
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm ready to go, is there a game ready to setup?
07:02 <spidey> good now we need Lucifer_arma and luke-jr_ to start
07:02 <spidey> well now just luke-jr_
07:02 <Vanhayes> works anytime you actually have troops that can move
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> we playing world on my server again?
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07:02 <Vanhayes> if not it wont hit turn done
07:02 <GodTodd> yeah...but i don't a lot of times
07:03 <GodTodd> so it's pretty useless for me ;)
07:03 <Vanhayes> ya same here, and I usually forget to hit it
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> I find a 5 minute timeout works for the most part, I can lie with it, but there are turns where I'd prefer longer still
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> like, if my ally betrays me and invades me, we could spend 10 minutes working out that turn
07:03 <GodTodd> haha
07:03 <Vanhayes> any chance of using a different map this time?
07:03 <Vanhayes> heh
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so the map has Inca and Australia now, and Japan
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> I want Zulu, Inca, or Australia
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> what do you guys want?
07:04 <spidey> luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, it has Canadian too
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> but Canada is really close to America, which in turn is really close to Aztec
07:04 <spidey> Lucifer_arma i want one with islands and stuff atleast
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> we could let the server generate a map...
07:04 <spidey> like the world map 
07:04 <spidey> :D
07:04 <spidey> nooooooo
07:05 <spidey> i hate the way it does
07:05 <spidey> it always gives me a small island
07:05 <TiTnAsS> back
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> well, here's the thing.  If we all agree on who we'll be now, we should be able to isolate ourselves better
07:05 <spidey> and i mean small
07:05 <TiTnAsS> did you guys start yet?
07:05 <GodTodd> yep...halfway through now
07:05 <spidey> canada!
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> now, I'm willing to remove some of the land if you want, like the sinai peninsula
07:05 <GodTodd> heh
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> Japan is in a really good spot, and if someone picks Rome they'll be far enough away to make an invasion difficult
07:05 <GodTodd> remove canada?
07:05 <GodTodd> ;)
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, you need sea to invade Japan from Europe where Japan starts out
07:06 <TiTnAsS> damn, i had to play tournament finals for lux.. they needed a sub.. 
07:06 <TiTnAsS> i missed T_T
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Tit: pick a civilization.  Here are the choices:
07:06 <spidey> i'm tired of playing in europe :p
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> so everybody be quiet while I list them :)
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Mongol
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> China
07:06 <spidey> i'll take canada :D
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Japan
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Australia
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Canada
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Rome
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> England
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Zulu (Africa)
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Aztec
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Inca
07:06 <TiTnAsS> lol
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> India, I think
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> America
07:07 <TiTnAsS> ill take africa ^^
07:07 <TiTnAsS> so you guys already started?
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> Zulu is in a very good spot, actually
07:07 <Vanhayes> no
07:07 <Vanhayes> no to TiTnAsS 
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> no, we're talking right now, I'll start it when everybody tells me what they want and everyone's here that's playing
07:07  * Vanhayes will sit this one out
07:07 <GodTodd> no russia?
07:07 <TiTnAsS> well, i picked africa because.. its far from everyone else ^^
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, Russia is there too
07:07 <TiTnAsS> from most everyone else
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> Russia is very close to Mongol, which in turn is very close to China
07:07 <TiTnAsS> o.o
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> there's probably a good distance from China to Japan, but they're still close
07:08 <Vanhayes> russia isnt that far from romw either
07:08 <Vanhayes> unless you changed it
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's not.  Russia's a good choice if nobody picks Rome or Mongol
07:08 <spidey> hmm
07:08 <spidey> luke-jr_!?!?!?
07:08 <spidey> he'll pick japan
07:08 <spidey> lol
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> Mongol is a better choice than Russia though, because the himalayas are very nice and you can put like 6 high production cities around them
07:09 <spidey> wait
07:09 <GodTodd> i was debating...either mongol or america
07:09 <spidey> i'll take aussie
07:09 <spidey> because it's a island :D
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, spidey's Aussie and Tit is Zulu
07:09 <TiTnAsS> lol
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> I'll take Inca and Todd can take America :)
07:09 <TiTnAsS> call me nick -.-
07:09 <GodTodd> that works
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> who's left?  vanhayes says he'll sit this one out
07:10 <TiTnAsS> the only reason i still use this name, is cuz its been my handle since i was like 14..
07:10 <Vanhayes> ya im getting tired of the world map
07:10 <GodTodd> zulus have a lot of tit....at least in national geographic ;)
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> those weren't zulus, the zulus were actually pretty modest :)
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07:10 <GodTodd> i know...but it made the joke better :P
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> Zulu is an interesting civilization, you should read up on them sometime.  Wikipedia has lots of good info on them.
07:10 <Vanhayes> #wikipedia zulu
07:11 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.34 seconds: Zulu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulu>; Zulu language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulu_language>; Anglo- Zulu War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Zulu_War>; Shaka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaka>; Coordinated Universal (2 more messages)
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> They're interesting, and they were strong at one point, but they've always been somebody's vassals, heh.
07:11 <TiTnAsS> lol
07:11 <spidey> luke-jr_ luke-jr_ luke-jr_
07:11 <TiTnAsS> brb one sec, ive gotta get a substitute for round 3 finals
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> he said earlier he didn't want to play
07:11 <spidey> k
07:12 <TiTnAsS> alright
07:12 <GodTodd> oh....off topic a bit...dave....if a guitar has a habit of going out of tune is that more likely a guitar problem or a string problem?  or hard to tell?
07:12 <TiTnAsS> who else is playing?
07:12 <TiTnAsS> godtodd, how long ahve you have the strings?
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: depends on three things :)
07:13 <GodTodd> not long but they're cheapo ones
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> the age of the strings (and whether or not you stretched them when you put them on)
07:13 <TiTnAsS> doesnt matter if they are cheap, strings tend to stretch constantly
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> the strength of the neck
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> spring tension on the tremolo
07:13 <TiTnAsS> and the longer youve had the same set of strings, the less they will stretch
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> and yeah, strings stretch over their lifetime so you have to reset them anyway
07:13 <GodTodd> i've had them a couple of months
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> on the flip side, the longer you keep the same set of strings, the more sustain and body you lose
07:14 <TiTnAsS> luci, does a locking tremelo stop stretching altogether, or only when using tremelo?
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> I change mine every 2 weeks when I'm playing often, otherwise I change them every time I play :)
07:14 <TiTnAsS> ive been thinking about buying a guitar with locking tremelo
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> TiTnAsS: don't know
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> my bass strings I haven't changed since it was new, but bass strings are different
07:14 <spidey> lmao
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'm going to pee then start the server
07:14 <TiTnAsS> lol, bass strings
07:14 <TiTnAsS> are 40$ for a set
07:15 <spidey> a resident in kentucky has a lion as a pet
07:15 <spidey> named kitty
07:15 <GodTodd> i'll brb too
07:15 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, host?
07:15 <spidey> oh
07:15 <spidey> i'ma make a pizza ;x
07:15 <TiTnAsS> lol
07:15 <TiTnAsS> dont be away to long
07:16 <spidey> 10 minutes
07:16 <spidey> brb
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> haha
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> he always makes a pizza before we start :)
07:16 <TiTnAsS> i guess that gives me some time to make some food to
07:16 <TiTnAsS> brb
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
07:16 <TiTnAsS> peanut butter and jelly for me
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> port: 5555
07:16 <TiTnAsS> :D
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> the rest of us will connect and start planning world domination
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's up, connect when ready
07:17 <spidey> we can only play this game for 2 more nights
07:17 <spidey> i only got 2 pizza's left
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> haha
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: ?
07:19 <TiTnAsS> back
07:20 <TiTnAsS> luci, what is civ4?
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> connect!
07:20 <TiTnAsS> zig says he plays that, and asked me if freeciv was like it..
07:21  * wrtlprnft is too tired to play
07:23 <TiTnAsS> aww
07:23 <TiTnAsS> cmon wrtl ^^
07:30 <Vanhayes> civ 4 is the newest Civilisation game
07:30 <Vanhayes> freeciv is based off of the original civilization
07:57 <luke-jr_> Freeciv has civ2 features too
07:58 <luke-jr_> IIRC, the reason the newer normal civ games are not the same is cuz they suck for gameplay
08:02 <luke-jr_> #last --from luke-jr_ --with tonight
08:02 <armabot> luke-jr_: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 3912 messages.
08:03 <GodTodd> #last --from luke-jr_ --with want
08:03 <armabot> GodTodd: [05:15:36] <luke-jr_> I don't want to block old clients
08:03 <GodTodd> heh
08:05 <luke-jr_> O.o
08:09 <TiTnAsS> luke, one mistake isnt the end of the world, its just, if you get minamised you lose cruicial units sometimes, and if your playing in a league and you lose the game, it could know you outa the finalist slots
08:09 <TiTnAsS> its only like this in the league games, you can play without leaguing..
08:30 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: freeciv came out before civ2 did, so if it has civ2 featyres it either had them first or added them in later versions
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09:56 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: ?
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> anyone want to take over a freeciv game for titnass?
09:56 <spidey> luke-jr_????
09:56 <spidey> luke-jr_?????
09:59 <TiTnAsS> i already asked
09:59 <TiTnAsS> here
09:59 <TiTnAsS> lukes apparently not looking at irc
10:07 <DrJoeTron> spidey
10:07 <DrJoeTron> downlaod hl2
10:11 <DrJoeTron> my head set should be comming in tommarow :D
10:19 <DrJoeTron> hey, who here is from europe
10:19 <guru3> i live in europe if that's what you mean
10:19 <DrJoeTron> i have a few questions in terms of culter
10:19 <DrJoeTron> nah, i mean from
10:19 <DrJoeTron> you're excluded tank
10:19 <guru3> mmk then
10:20 <DrJoeTron> this question is different
10:22 <guru3> isn't it amazing how 4gb of log files
10:22 <guru3> can compress to 120mb
10:23 -!- j0hann3s is now known as wejp
10:23 <wrtlprnft> well, it's all text ;)
10:23 <guru3> still amazes me
10:23 <guru3> my /var/log/messages was 12GB
10:23 <guru3> compressed to like 46MB ><
10:37 <guru3> du ran on /mnt ...
10:37 <guru3> 1.2T    mnt
10:37 <guru3> ><
10:37 <guru3> first time i've seen a T with du
10:38 <luke-jr_> apparently people don't know what IM is
10:38 <luke-jr_> since they all try to get me here instead of IM
10:38 <luke-jr_> when I specifically said IM, not IRC
10:39 <guru3> lol
10:40 <luke-jr_> -.-
10:40 <luke-jr_> I called the cops at 1:50
10:40 <luke-jr_> they said they'd be stopping by here
10:40 <luke-jr_> it's 3:41
10:40 <guru3> why?
10:40 <guru3> lol
10:40 <luke-jr_> cuzz someeone broke into the neighbor''s
10:40  * luke-jr_ smacks computer
10:40 <guru3> ah :/
10:40 <spidey> luke-jr_ get your ass in here
10:40 <luke-jr_> why is it so hard to keep keyboard input straight?
10:41 <luke-jr_> spidey: 1 min
10:42 <luke-jr_> anyway
10:42 <luke-jr_> I saw them go into the neighbor's place
10:42 <luke-jr_> hours ago
10:42 <luke-jr_> I think maybe I'll call and complain
10:42 <luke-jr_> or maybe just go to bed
10:42 <guru3> ><
10:44 <luke-jr_> I don't want to look up the non-911 # to complain tho
10:45 <luke-jr_> DrJoeTron: Johnny B Goode
10:45 <DrJoeTron> yup
10:46 <DrJoeTron> haha checking me out on google talk?
10:47 <luke-jr_> no
10:47 <luke-jr_> I got a notification when your status changes
10:48 <DrJoeTron> google talk update
10:48 <DrJoeTron> its fallowing me music
10:48 <DrJoeTron> my*
11:08 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: are your neighbors home?
11:10 <luke-jr_> GodTodd: 
11:10 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: no clue
11:11 <Vanhayes> why didnt you call them when you saw someone going in?
11:11 <luke-jr_> they broke the chain lock on the door
11:11 <luke-jr_> eh? I called when they went in
11:11 <Vanhayes> no one answered?
11:11 <luke-jr_> wtf?
11:11 <luke-jr_> oh
11:11 <luke-jr_> I don't have his #
11:11 <luke-jr_> I called 911
11:12 <luke-jr_> don't remember his name either
11:12 <Vanhayes> ah, that sucks for him
11:12 <guru3> i'm gonna try to write a parser for the <= logfile
11:12 <Vanhayes> could be a murderer too
11:12 <DrJoeTron> what about address
11:12 <DrJoeTron> could be a ninja
11:12 <Vanhayes> could be a nija murderer
11:13 <Vanhayes> ninja*
11:13 <Vanhayes> actually would a ninja murderer only murder ninjas?
11:13 <Vanhayes> maybe a murdering ninja then
11:13 <DrJoeTron> or a pirate ninja
11:13 <guru3> on second thought
11:14 <DrJoeTron> hmmm
11:14 <guru3> maybe opening a 800mb text file was a bad idea
11:14 <Vanhayes> take a while to load?
11:14 <guru3> yeah
11:14 <guru3> even with nedit
11:14 <DrJoeTron> http://www.ninjalovespirate.com/
11:14 <guru3> which is the best editor i've found for large files
11:16 <DrJoeTron> good night
11:16 <wrtlprnft> why would you need the whole file for writing a parser?
11:16 <guru3> don't know
11:16 <wrtlprnft> just use tail -n or head -n to get a few hundred lines
11:16 <guru3> just felt like it
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11:16 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: there's a map related bug for you to fix :P
11:17 <wrtlprnft> hi btw
11:17 <philippeqc> hi
11:17 <wrtlprnft> poor guy
11:17 <philippeqc> who ?
11:17 <wrtlprnft> you
11:17 <philippeqc> why?
11:17 <wrtlprnft> you come in after weeks
11:17 <wrtlprnft> and i cry BUG!
11:18 <philippeqc> o ok
11:18 <philippeqc> still not that awake here
11:18 <guru3> i see my swap usage rising ><
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11:25 <guru3> shit according to this
11:25 <TiTnAsS> luci
11:25 <TiTnAsS> you guys still playing???
11:25 <GodTodd> yep
11:26 <guru3> there have been 693,822 rounds played on classic play
11:26 <TiTnAsS> how cmoe i cant connect?
11:26 <TiTnAsS> www.davefancella.com?
11:26 <TiTnAsS> 555?
11:26 <luke-jr_> 'less' works nice with big files
11:26 <TiTnAsS> 5555
11:26 <GodTodd> 5555
11:26 <guru3> the logfile is 24,376,581 lines
11:26 <luke-jr_> so?
11:26 <TiTnAsS> i hit okay and nothing happens
11:26 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: didn't you already tell him that and it didn't work?
11:26 <TiTnAsS> i think my nets bugging out..
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> you did something wrong probably
11:26 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: no
11:26 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: did you get my msg earlier
11:26 <TiTnAsS> is ai still in control of me?
11:26 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: you did
11:26 <guru3> that was something else probably
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> no, luke's got you now
11:27 <TiTnAsS> oh, i guess im not getting back in anyway then ^^
11:27 <TiTnAsS> luke, sorry bout that bad start
11:27 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: which one?
11:27 <GodTodd> you could have my civ if you want ;)
11:27 <TiTnAsS> lol, no its okay
11:27 <wrtlprnft> 06:19 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: eg, 100% would scale the entire map to fit, but 1 would just show 1 unit
11:27 <wrtlprnft> that's the last one i have from you
11:27 <wrtlprnft> and i answered directly below...
11:28 <wrtlprnft> #last --from luke-jr_ --with wrtlprnft --nolimit
11:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [11:27:47] <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: did you get my msg earlier, [11:27:41] <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: no, [06:20:28] <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: eg, 100% would scale the entire map to fit, but 1 would just show 1 unit, and [06:20:12] <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: we need a way to specify for cockpit maps, the viewed area
11:28 <wrtlprnft> armabot thinks the same
11:28 <TiTnAsS> im relogging
11:28 <TiTnAsS> brb
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11:35 <guru3> hahaha this is rediculous
11:35 <guru3> according to this
11:35 <guru3> classic play
11:35 <guru3> has had slightly more than 2 years of played game time
11:36 <wrtlprnft> out of?
11:36 <guru3> earliest date in log file is march 28th 2004 18:42:44
11:37 <wrtlprnft> err
11:37 <guru3> so that's 2 years out of 2 years 5 months
11:37 <wrtlprnft> so it was empty for like 5 months?
11:37 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:37 <wrtlprnft> #g 2 years / 2 years 5 months in %
11:38 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:38 <wrtlprnft> #g 2 years / (2 years + 5 months) in %
11:38 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:38 <wrtlprnft> #g 2 years / (2 years + 5 months) * 100
11:38 <armabot> ((2 years) / ((2 years) + (5 months))) * 100 = 82.7586207
11:38 <guru3> 356GB sent
11:38 <wrtlprnft> it was used 82.76% of the time
11:38 <guru3> 130GB received
11:39 <wrtlprnft> nice traffic
11:39 <guru3> average 6KB/s
11:39 <guru3> sent
11:39 <guru3> average 2KB/s received
11:40 <guru3> i think we can put that down as the official bandwith usage ><
11:40 <wrtlprnft> well, your server obviously was popular
11:40 <guru3> people still play on it too damn them
11:40 <wrtlprnft> the average clan server gets less
11:40 <guru3> i can't shut it off
11:43 <guru3> that's an average of 90seconds per round
11:47 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: except for size_factor for some maps, do you see real use of settings in maps?
12:02 <guru3> gargh i hate regexp
12:03 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: SIZE_FACTOR is the *last* setting that should be in maps
12:04 <luke-jr_> its entire purpose is to scale the map
12:04 <guru3> how do i match any character with regexp
12:05 <philippeqc> guru3: .
12:05 <GodTodd> #night
12:05 <guru3> so [.]
12:05 <armabot> Good night GodTodd!
12:05 <guru3> will match any character
12:05 <philippeqc> yes
12:05 <guru3> what will ([.]{1,16}) do
12:05 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: yes I know that, but that wasnt my question
12:06 <philippeqc> guru3: will give you lots of problems, as it will accept any grouping of character, including white spaces, punctuation and all
12:06 <guru3> well it doesn't match :(
12:08 <guru3> got it working
12:08 <guru3> ><
12:08 <guru3> damn regexp takes getting used to
12:08 <philippeqc> . is ANY single character. so you want any grouping from 1 to 16 of anything. "   ,.%   " would match
12:09 <guru3> (.*)
12:09 <guru3> worked
12:09 <philippeqc> yep
12:09 <philippeqc> but that is "the whole goddarn string"
12:09 <guru3> well not if it's a subgroup
12:09 <guru3> so
12:09 <guru3> (.*) core dumped (.*)
12:09 <philippeqc> yes
12:09 <guru3> will give me the names in the two groups >:D
12:10 <philippeqc> yes
12:10 <guru3> finally starting to get this shit
12:10 <philippeqc> it is very usefull ;)
12:10 <guru3> yes
12:10 <guru3> but it's so confusing at first ><
12:11 <philippeqc> so is fornicating, but once you get used to it, its really good.
12:12 <guru3> ><
12:21 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: erm
12:21 <luke-jr_> [.] is ONLY a literal .
12:22 <luke-jr_> but \. is a shorter literal .
12:22 <guru3> yeah
12:22 <guru3> that was tricky to figure out
12:24 <guru3> hmm
12:24 <guru3> time to try and make a regexp for the timestamp ><
12:26 <guru3> how to convert year/month/day to unix timestamp...
12:27 <guru3> mktime ><
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13:15 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: there's use for some settings
13:15 <wrtlprnft> CYCLE_ACCEL_RIM, for example
13:15 <wrtlprnft> some maps only make sense when played with a high value for that
13:16 <wrtlprnft> and all those team settings. A two- team fortress map or sumo is only useful with certain settings
13:22 <philippeqc> ok, but should be saved in the map or in a companion file?
13:23 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: ^^
13:25 <wrtlprnft> well, really necessary settings should be in the map
13:26 <wrtlprnft> but the author should be able to override them
13:26 <philippeqc> you mean server admin?
13:26 <wrtlprnft> for example, on maps that need a high CYCLE_ACCEL_RIM, the admin could still change the value
13:26 <wrtlprnft> yeah, sorry
13:27 <guru3> running a test on 1million lines
13:27 <philippeqc> if we parse the settings first, then the config, wouldnt that always override the map's settings?
13:27 <guru3> now if i only had a clever database format ><
13:27 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: that's the problem
13:27 <wrtlprnft> maybe just parse the settings the first time MAP_FILE is changed?
13:28 <wrtlprnft> MAP_FILE wrtlprnft/crazy/CrazyLines-0.1.aamap.xml
13:28 <philippeqc> rough idea: what if settings were in a companion file and that the admin was able to set additional settings in his onw companion file, and that one would always be read after
13:28 <wrtlprnft> SIZE_FACTOR 9
13:28 <wrtlprnft> that
13:28 <wrtlprnft> 's complicated :S
13:29 <wrtlprnft> for the server admin, that is
13:29 <philippeqc> because she need a file for every map she install
13:29 <wrtlprnft> I'd like to have a way we could put this into
13:30 <wrtlprnft> and a way to continue using existing maps but override their settings
13:30 <wrtlprnft> and have the SIZE_FACTOR thing fixed
13:31 <philippeqc> from the wiki "The different Setting used have the potential of overwriding client or server ones. While this behavior offers great capacity to custom behavior for a specific map, users playing locally on their machine and server administrator might find it a disruption of their craftfully designed settings. Use with care and moderation."
13:31 <philippeqc> mostly the last sentence ;)
13:32 <wrtlprnft> well, doesn't change the fact that it's already being abused
13:32 <philippeqc> that being said, lets find a hack for it
13:32  * wrtlprnft already offered one
13:32 <wrtlprnft> + a fix for SIZE_FACTOR that I can't do
13:33 <philippeqc> I'm rereading it
13:33 <wrtlprnft> 2nd last paragraph of the 2nd post in that thread
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13:34 <philippeqc> then the server admin need to have different map_override_settings for each map
13:36 <wrtlprnft> I'm assuming he/she wouldn't wanna make a rotation server with that map
13:36 <wrtlprnft> just have a specific map and override some settings
13:37 <philippeqc> ed wouldnt like that solution
13:37 <philippeqc> ;)
13:37 <wrtlprnft> well, ed uses his own maps anyways
13:38 <wrtlprnft> i'm talking about someone wanting to use one of his maps
13:38 <wrtlprnft> ed would like a fix for SIZE_FACTOR, of course ;)
13:40 <philippeqc> lets take the problem side way. What should a good config system permit?
13:40 <wrtlprnft> everything that makes sense
13:40 <wrtlprnft> or, failing that, everything, but allow the server admin to override it
13:41 <philippeqc> I'd guess it should allow for settings from the map designer, and allow the admin to override it. But that means extra work for the admin in a way
13:41 <philippeqc> the prob with "everything that makes sense" is that some things makes sense sometimes, but not always ;)
13:42 <wrtlprnft> that's what i mean with "failing that, ..."
13:42 <wrtlprnft> maybe just allow the map to change settings that are still at their default values?
13:42 <wrtlprnft> of course, make that configurable
13:43 <philippeqc> ok, there are 2 ways of doing that. Either you tell the parser to ignore some items from the map, or you apply new settings after the map is being processed.
13:43 <wrtlprnft> make the admin select if he/she wants the map to override all settings, only settings at the default value, or no settings at all
13:44 <philippeqc> dont like the idea of "only set at def value". I can see a map that the admin would like to override his default, but not some other maps
13:44 <wrtlprnft> OTOH, you could abuse the current behavior for a simple map rotator
13:44 <wrtlprnft> just have each map contain a <Setting name="MAP_FILE" value="thenextmap" />
13:44 <philippeqc> how
13:45 <philippeqc> lol
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13:45 <philippeqc> how come I didnt see taht one ;)
13:45 <wrtlprnft> you could declare it a feature :P
13:46 <philippeqc> I meant it as "thats the kind of stuff that my brain normally likes, and yet I didnt spot it"
13:46 <philippeqc> ie: its my kind of feature! Power enabling ones
13:46 <wrtlprnft> maybe call it an easteregg instead
13:46 <wrtlprnft> so you can say why you didn't document it
13:47 <TiTnAsS> hi phil
13:47 <TiTnAsS> and good night ;)
13:47 <philippeqc> no, easteregg are planned, power feature is like vi. Build simple but open so you can do things that wherent conceived while it was created.
13:47 <TiTnAsS> 5 am -.-
13:47 <philippeqc> hi TiTnAsS 
13:47 <philippeqc> 5 am: good morning TiTnAsS 
13:47 <TiTnAsS> lol
13:47 <TiTnAsS> ye
13:48 <TiTnAsS> but i should sleep now.. what time is it for you?
13:48 <philippeqc> 14
13:48 <wrtlprnft> here too
13:48 <wrtlprnft> vim does have eastereggs
13:48 <wrtlprnft> try :h 42
13:49 <wrtlprnft> or :h holy-grail
13:49 <philippeqc> but you know what I mean. Each command of vi is not artificially limited, so you can use it and abuse it to do what you want.
13:50 <wrtlprnft> true
13:50 <wrtlprnft> if you want artificial limitations use evim x_X
13:50 <philippeqc> when I opened the settings to the map, I did it while knowing it would be most likely very easy to abuse
13:51 <philippeqc> lol
13:51 <wrtlprnft> remember my server that renamed everyone to player 1?
13:51 <philippeqc> yes
13:52 <wrtlprnft> maybe i can just talk ed into stopping to abuse the settings tag
13:52 <wrtlprnft> he's using mysql anyways, so there wouldn't be a problem putting the settings in there too
13:53 <philippeqc> well the size one create a real bug. so that one should have a fix of sort... maybe
13:53 <wrtlprnft> it took me a while to figure it out
13:54 <wrtlprnft> because it worked on my server just fine, of course, but not on ed's
13:55 <guru3> would you be worried when php is taking up 45% of memory?
13:55 <arctanx> not if I had 32mb of ram
13:55 <wrtlprnft> no
13:56 <wrtlprnft> that's normal
13:56 <philippeqc> brb
13:58 <guru3> DrJoeTron: ROCK LOBSTER! :D
13:58 <guru3> first time i've ever come across a lobster in a song that i can remember
14:08 <wrtlprnft> be back in a bit.
14:10 <philippeqc> back
14:11 <arctanx> zmg runtime error, wrtlprnft's brb is not properly nested within philippeqc's!
14:14 <TiTnAsS> omg
14:14 <philippeqc> zmg?
14:14 <TiTnAsS> yes
14:14 <TiTnAsS> omg
14:14 <TiTnAsS> im to busy to sleep -.-
14:14 <philippeqc> wtf is zmg
14:14 <TiTnAsS> omg*
14:14 <TiTnAsS> its like wtf
14:14 <TiTnAsS> but
14:14 <TiTnAsS> omg
14:14 <TiTnAsS> o.o, understand? ^^
14:15 <philippeqc> no, but I feel it is not required of me
14:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> omg is something for religious people :P
14:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it means "oh my god"
14:15 <philippeqc> o my goddess?
14:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that works too
14:15 <[Xpert]DarkStar> if your gf is your goddess :P
14:16 <philippeqc> o my grand-father
14:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
14:16 <philippeqc> o my gf (is there, quick, hide in the closet)
14:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
14:17 <philippeqc> in such a circumstance, I'd probably start to pray! I think I get the religious aspect of it now.
14:17 <philippeqc> ;)
14:25 <TiTnAsS> sleeeeeep time
14:26 <TiTnAsS> ummm, people dont really use it like that lol..
14:26 <TiTnAsS> they use it more as "WTF ..."
14:26 <TiTnAsS> "omg..." as in "wow... wtf .. your stupid"
14:26 <TiTnAsS> kinda thing
14:26 <TiTnAsS> lol
14:27 <TiTnAsS> ^^ i should be expert on omg/wtf
14:27 <TiTnAsS> (its 5:30, ignore me, im going to sleep now)
14:27 <philippeqc> cya
14:27 <TiTnAsS> lol
14:27 <TiTnAsS> bye
14:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night TiTnAsS
14:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sleep well
14:28 <TiTnAsS> yup, you to
14:28 <TiTnAsS> even if it is 3 in the afternoon ^^
14:32 <arctanx> zmg = contraction of zomg = acronym for zoh my god, which is an ornamented usually blasphemous expression of surprise? :P
14:33 <TiTnAsS> EXACTLY!
14:33 <TiTnAsS> wow.. good definitio
14:33 <TiTnAsS> n
14:33 <TiTnAsS> www.wikipedia.com gogo
14:33 <arctanx> the emphasis was supposed to be on the lame nesting joke actually
14:33 <arctanx> but whatever floats your boat
14:33 <TiTnAsS> :)
14:34 <TiTnAsS> btw
14:34 <TiTnAsS> what does zoh mean
14:34 <TiTnAsS> -.-
14:34 <arctanx> it is an ornamented exclamation of surprise or reaction on its own :P
14:38 <TiTnAsS> o.O
14:38 <TiTnAsS> ic..
14:38 <spidey> #last --from Lucifer_arma --with www.
14:38 <armabot> spidey: [07:17:18] <Lucifer_arma> host: www.davefancella.com
14:38 <TiTnAsS> spidey
14:38 <spidey> ?
14:38 <TiTnAsS> your still awake? o.o
14:39 <TiTnAsS> isnt it like 7am now for you?..
14:41 <wrtlprnft> back
14:42  * wrtlprnft segfaults
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14:43 <wrtlprnft> it's all philippeqc's fault!
14:43 <philippeqc> no, its always the new guy's fault
14:43 <TiTnAsS> im the new guy again ^^
14:43 <TiTnAsS> gone to long
14:44 <TiTnAsS> i suck at tron now..
14:44 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r6091 /private/nemostultae/ruby/armagetronad/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added some documentation
14:44 <philippeqc> TiTnAsS: not being in front of the computer normally helps to fall asleep
14:46 <wrtlprnft> well, he slept for ten seconds then woke up again as it was morning ;)
14:48 <TiTnAsS> ye
14:48 <TiTnAsS> im finishing up
14:48 <TiTnAsS> doing some stuff
14:48 <TiTnAsS> thx for tip though ^^
15:00 <TiTnAsS> finally to bed now
15:00 <TiTnAsS> zz
15:05 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: its 15:00 and I still havent started emacs. I think my brain is telling me it is too tired to do some aa this weekend, and to shutdown the computer.
15:06 <philippeqc> you have 2 week ends to come up with a brillant idea (next one I have either a big party, or I have to work night from saturday to sunday, so either way I shoudnt code anything that week end either)
15:06 <philippeqc> cya
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15:53 <wrtlprnft> aaah, i love xevi's new cockpit file :)
16:28 <Vanhayes> ?
16:28 <Vanhayes> whats it look like?
16:31 <Vanhayes> nvrm just tried it out....
16:31 <Vanhayes> flashy
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16:52 <spidey> deja_vu
16:53 <deja_vu> spidey
16:54 <spidey> mwah
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17:04 <deja_vu> remwha?
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18:11 <spidey> deja_vu
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18:30 <wrtlprnft> you have to donate to use VLC on a mac?!
18:35 <deja_vu> spideyspidey
18:36 <nemostultae> no, you don't wrtlprnft.
19:42 <spidey> deja_vudeja_vu
19:43 <deja_vu> *.*
19:53  * wrtlprnft suggests deja_vu to use /ignore spidey 
19:59 <wrtlprnft> can someone tell me how to get mplayer to output its stuff in english? This darn thing ignores LC_ALL=C and everything
19:59  * wrtlprnft rants about german translations of command line tools
20:00  * wrtlprnft is thinking about banning all kinds of german translations of any programs from his computer. Most translations suck anyways, and in cases like this it's really annoying
20:10 <Vanhayes_> #google MSKsrvr.exe
20:10 <armabot> Vanhayes_: Search took 0.33 seconds: msksrvr - msksrvr.exe - Process Information: <http://www.liutilities.com/products/wintaskspro/processlibrary/msksrvr/>; MSKSrvr.exe Windows process - What is it?: <http://www.neuber.com/taskmanager/process/msksrvr.exe.html>; McAfeehelp.com :: View topic - MSKSrvr.exe using 100% of CPU.: <http://forums.mcafeehelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=230783>; McAfeehelp.com :: View topic - (2 more messages)
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20:12 <cusco> someone's goto something nasty running on his pc
20:14 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:14 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=84561#84561 <-- abuse of [color] BBCodes
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20:37 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://www.mbhs.edu/~bconnell/cgi-bin/anagram.cgi?cpw=1&phrase=armagetron
20:38 <wrtlprnft> a german rot?!
20:38 <wrtlprnft> what's that?
20:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no idea
20:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> man it just makes words out of the letters ><
20:41 <wrtlprnft> woo i got linuxkey-tab to work again :)
20:41 <wrtlprnft> ie switch desktop like alt-tab switches windows
20:42 <wrtlprnft> before it refused to display the virtual desktops list and just switched to the last used one, which made it pretty useless. Infact I ended up using only 2 of the 8 desktops i have :s
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20:49 <ghableska_> hello
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20:53 <wrtlprnft> err, hellp
20:53 <wrtlprnft> *hellp
20:53 <wrtlprnft> *hello
20:53 <wrtlprnft> x_X
20:53 <wrtlprnft> he left?
20:53 <wrtlprnft> bah
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20:55 <wrtlprnft> 20:53 <wrtlprnft> err, hellp
20:55 <wrtlprnft> 20:53 <wrtlprnft> *hellp
20:55 <wrtlprnft> 20:53 <wrtlprnft> *hello
20:55 <wrtlprnft> 20:53 <wrtlprnft> x_X
20:55 <wrtlprnft> 20:53 <wrtlprnft> he left?
20:55 <wrtlprnft> 20:53 <wrtlprnft> bah
20:56 <ghableska> O_o
20:56 <wrtlprnft> o_O
20:56 <ghableska> grr, my font color won't stay black
20:56 <ghableska> [test]
20:56 <ghableska> wtf
20:56 <ghableska> ...
20:57 <wrtlprnft> yeah, mine sometimes gets all colorful sometimes too...
20:57 <ghableska> [test]
20:57 <ghableska> ah
20:57 <wrtlprnft> that's white for me now :P
20:57 <ghableska> :P
20:57  * ghableska wonders why there is an option for font colors if it doesn't listen to you
20:58 <wrtlprnft> you talked to it?
20:58 <ghableska> yes, sorry, it's a bad habit of mine :P
20:58  * ghableska slaps self
20:58  * ghableska slaps Trillian too
21:05 <Vanhayes> hey ghableska 
21:07 <Vanhayes> #g $1.000.000USD to USD
21:07 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:07 <Vanhayes> #g $1.000.000 USD to USD
21:07 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
21:09 <wrtlprnft> you don't need a calculator for that
21:10 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes :P
21:10 <Vanhayes> is it one dollar?
21:10 <ghableska> ?
21:10 <ghableska> what are you trying to do?
21:10 <wrtlprnft> #g 1,000,000 USD to USD
21:10 <armabot> 1,000,000 U.S. dollars = 1 million U.S. dollars
21:10 <wrtlprnft> two dots are invalid
21:10 <Vanhayes> $1.000.000 reads to me as being 1 dollar
21:10 <wrtlprnft> ?!
21:11 <wrtlprnft> that would be $1,000,000 in germany as we use , where you use the decimal and . where you use the ,
21:11 <ghableska> , or .?
21:12 <wrtlprnft> $1,000 = $1000 in america
21:12 <wrtlprnft> EUR 1.000 = EUR 1000 in germany
21:12 <wrtlprnft> $1.000 = $1 in america
21:12 <wrtlprnft> EUR 1,000 = EUR 1 in germany
21:12 <Vanhayes> I use the ,
21:12 <Vanhayes> to me the . means the end of money and start of 0
21:13 <TiTnAsS> -.-
21:14 <wrtlprnft> start of 0?
21:16 <Vanhayes> like $1 and $1.00 are the same
21:17 <wrtlprnft> yeah
21:17 <wrtlprnft> but what would $1.000.000 mean?
21:17 <Vanhayes> $1 dollar or nothing
21:17 <wrtlprnft> what does the second dot mean?
21:18 <Vanhayes> im not sure
21:18 <Vanhayes> it either doesnt mean anything or negates the whole thing to 0
21:18 <Vanhayes> or maybe something else
21:18 <wrtlprnft> it's just an invalid number :P
21:19 <Vanhayes> anyway its a way to trick stupid people into believing its alot of money
21:20 <wrtlprnft> then you'd use $1.0000000
21:20 <wrtlprnft> or $1,000,000,000 x 10^-9
21:21 <Vanhayes> ill trade you $1.00000000 for $100
21:21 <Vanhayes> wont get a better deal anywhere else
21:22 <wrtlprnft> where can i send the money?
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21:42 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: ah, i just saw where you got the $1.000.000 from
21:43 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: sorry, i already thought you went crazy...
21:43 <Vanhayes> ?
21:43 <ghableska> o.0
21:43 <Vanhayes> o heh you thought I just picked random weird numbers?
21:45 <Vanhayes> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=7391&highlight= in case anyone was wondering what I was talking about
21:46 <wrtlprnft> well, people from north america sometimes seem to have wery weird and unlogic opinions about math and science sometimes :P
21:46 <ghableska> ooh
21:47 <ghableska> what is it with spambots and the world servers?
21:47 -!- mkzelda [n=mkzelda@cpe-071-070-204-248.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
21:47 <wrtlprnft> world servers is the smallest forum that the bot can post into
21:47 -!- mkzelda [n=mkzelda@cpe-071-070-204-248.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
21:48 <wrtlprnft> so the bot figures its thread is more likely to be read
21:48 <wrtlprnft> did i just scare mkzelda away?
21:48 <ghableska> heh
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21:49 <wrtlprnft> wb
21:49 <wrtlprnft> did i just scare you away?
21:52 <mkzelda> been on vacation for a week
21:52 <mkzelda> thanks
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22:34 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig sinclude
22:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: SINCLUDE: Includes the following file silently, without error message if it is not found (default: )
22:34 <wrtlprnft> didn't know about that one
22:38 <luke-jr_> it's used for server_info and settings_custom
22:44 <spidey> O.o
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> you guys sure you don't want to finish the one where I took over for vanhayes after he smegheaded us?
22:49 <spidey> lol
22:49 <spidey> right now?
22:49 <Vanhayes> meh Im tired of the world map
22:49 <wrtlprnft> poor Vanhayes 
22:49 <Lucifer_arma> no, not right now
22:50 <spidey> you trying to keep me up 3 days again? :p
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:50 <Vanhayes> aheh poor spidey and Lucifer_arma 
22:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey wants to sleep? good.
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> poor spidey, can't even beat a bot that's been beaten back to ancient tech
22:50 <spidey> lies
22:50 <Vanhayes> truth
22:50 <spidey> i was thinking you'd try to attack me sometime
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes watched every guilty second of it
22:50 <spidey> so i was defending heavily
22:50 <spidey> i only sent 6 units
22:50 <Lucifer_arma> you're supposed to defend heavily anyway
22:51 <spidey> had no intent to send me :p
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> 6 units to conquer how many cities?
22:51 <wrtlprnft> give a bot a settler and five turns to develop, he'll beat you
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> heh
22:51 <Vanhayes> man you had 2 carriers full and 2 transports full and a sub full of missiles
22:51 <spidey> he made over 60 cities!
22:51 <spidey> yes
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> this was the bot that I drove off africa when he had tanks and missiles and shit to fight back with
22:51 <spidey> they where for luci
22:51 <spidey> i had nukes to
22:51 <spidey> :D
22:52 <wrtlprnft> actually, if you nuke a bot's city and then snd in your engineers to remove the waste, will the bot attack you?
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> what made you think I was going to turn on you?  We agreed that after we finished the ais, the game was over
22:52 <Vanhayes> you should have gone for the space ship if you were playing defensivly
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> no, he'll just build cities around your engineers
22:52 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:52 <spidey> lmao
22:52 <Vanhayes> he wouldnt be able to move
22:52 <wrtlprnft> well
22:53 <Vanhayes> if you surround ythe city anyway
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes is right, that bot played it smart by developing a bunch of cities
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's hard to concentrate your fire when your target area is that big
22:53 <Vanhayes> i was impressed by it and disgusted by spidey
22:53 <wrtlprnft> if you were to put engineers on all 20 tiles around a city the bot would have to do something
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> it as all of asia, almost up to the ural mountains
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he'd build a city
22:54 <wrtlprnft> if you have the 20 tiles around a city you'll starve it
22:54 <Vanhayes> he would have to destroy at least one engineer first
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> you literally have to push a front through the bot, and that type of warfare is a pain
22:54 <Lucifer_arma> he'd buy 6 alpines and attack one engineer
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> what is it with ais and alpines, anyway?  Nearly every city I took was building one when I took it!
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> except for the one that was building MI
22:55 <wrtlprnft> they're fast
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> that speed cost something, they die when they get attacked or try to attack
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> they're only good for occupying a city or delaying an attacker
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> I guess he was trying to delay me
22:56 <wrtlprnft> if you have enough of them you'll eventually kill a unit
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, they're also good skirmishers
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> not a veteran :)
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, yeah, actually you will, but that's an expensive kill
22:56 <wrtlprnft> at some point you would
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> I admit, I built some alpines, because I wanted to try them out as skirmishers
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> wound up decided to use armor as skirmishers
22:57 <spidey> lol
22:58 <wrtlprnft> oh, and if you're fighting on the polar caps they might actually be useful
22:58 <spidey> if i played offensively i could beat a nation with a carrier of bombers and fighters and 16 troops
22:58 <wrtlprnft> because AFAIK they don't get lost there
22:58 <spidey> i did it before :p
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> depends on who you're fighting spidey
22:59 <spidey> AI
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes only took me the other night because he made a surprise attaack
22:59 <wrtlprnft> yesterday i played a local game without an AI
22:59 <spidey> a well devolped one
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> look, I just crushed 2 ais
22:59 <Lucifer_arma> the only reason I didn't destroy one was because *you* were going to do that, and failed
23:00 <spidey> i could have too, if i wasn't preparing for a attack i tohught you'd made
23:00 <wrtlprnft> i got lots of cities with HUGE production and over 20 inhabitants and build a spaceship in like 10 turns
23:00 <spidey> s/made/make
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> I told you I wasn't attacking you, the game was over when we beat the ais, and we win together
23:00 <wrtlprnft> with all possible modules
23:00 <Lucifer_arma> 2 winners!
23:00 <spidey> i was jumpy
23:00 <spidey> and tired
23:00 <spidey> :p
23:00  * wrtlprnft hates playing war
23:00 <spidey> how long did we play?!
23:00  * Lucifer_arma likes playing war :)
23:01  * luke-jr_ is peaceful
23:01 <Vanhayes> over 16 hours spidey
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> too long, I'm going to bed
23:01 <luke-jr_> I spread my civs out =p
23:01 <spidey> :o
23:01 <spidey> 16 hours?
23:01 <spidey> fuck
23:01 <Vanhayes> you started at 1 am here
23:01 <spidey> O.O
23:01 <Vanhayes> its 6 pm
23:01 <Vanhayes> now
23:01 <spidey> wow
23:01 <luke-jr_> last game, I had begun spawning my civ to Asia and South America
23:01 <Vanhayes> so 17
23:01 <spidey> well
23:01 <luke-jr_> looks like the AI took advantage of Asia's spawn
23:01 <spidey> luci pwned that one
23:01 <Lucifer_arma> yep, and I took it in south america and africa, and spidey was supposed to take it in Asia
23:02 <luke-jr_> heh
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> it did, it did very nicely in fact
23:02 <Vanhayes> it was almost foolproof
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> there's probably at least another 8 hours there for me to get spidey and then the rest of the zulus
23:02 <luke-jr_> intermixed civs discourage war, I think
23:02 <luke-jr_> and help trade
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> hell, by the time I move against the zulus, there'll be a front in europe
23:02 <spidey> if you could have gotten me :p
23:02 <Lucifer_arma> "could" is only a matter of cost
23:02 <Vanhayes> spidey: he could have
23:03 <spidey> maybe
23:03 <spidey> his missiles are useless
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> vanhayes checked out my american campaign :)
23:03 <Vanhayes> yes and saw how many troops both of you had
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> I only had to use spies there to peek into the other cities, even.  They got off easy
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> the spies in africa had to work for their money
23:03 <spidey> i was building cruisers for every city and had triple air defense
23:03 <spidey> ageirs cruisers
23:03 <Lucifer_arma> whoopee.  Protect against my spies, hardened from their american campaign :)
23:04 <spidey> sure
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> spies are underrated, I think
23:04 <spidey> auto attack,plus if i see one and can't kill it i had a ton of missile saved for your subs
23:04 <spidey> :)
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> but good intelligence can make or break a campaign
23:04 <Lucifer_arma> you can't see my subs
23:04 <spidey> can
23:04 <luke-jr_> hm
23:05 <luke-jr_> Kopete supports Jingle
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> how?  through my blockade?
23:05 <wrtlprnft> only if they're adjacent to one of your units
23:05 <spidey> ...
23:05 <spidey> i seen everyone of his subs
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> you saw how long I took to carefully setup blockades everywhere we were fighting
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> we were sharing vision!
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> if I'm going to attack you, I'm not sharing vision with you!
23:05 <spidey> there's a ship that has sonar
23:05 <spidey> it can see subs
23:05 <spidey> i think it's the battleship
23:05 <spidey> or the cruiser
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> it has to get through my blockade to do that
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23:06 <spidey> blockade??
23:06 <spidey> all i gotta do is use my missiles
23:06 <spidey> or the nukes i was saving for your big transports
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> I only put missile boats on the inside of the blockade after I scouted the cities and saw they couldn't do anything about it
23:06 <Vanhayes> chances are spidey you would forget to take away vision again :)
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I had lots of aegis cruisers and was building more....
23:06 <Lucifer_arma> hah, yep
23:06 <spidey> hmm
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> I could sneak in a settler, build a city, then stick an airport in it, now I have a beachhead and a route in
23:07 <spidey> wouldn't work
23:07 <Lucifer_arma> sneak in another, and another, and you'll use up all your nukes on it
23:07 <spidey> 1 i'd see the border
23:07 <spidey> 2 i'd nuke it if i couldn't take it
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but you'll run out sooner or later
23:08 <spidey> not with a 40 production
23:08 <spidey> and 10+ on other cities
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> your logistics train was good, but I had three continents to pull from
23:08 <spidey> maybe
23:09 <spidey> but me spitting out ground units in 2 turns and bombers in 5 turns :D
23:09 <spidey> i could kill your blockade.....with missiles or fighters
23:09 <spidey> destroyers don't defend against air units like cruisers
23:09 <spidey> i had a ton of fighters to -_-
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> how can you even be sure I wouldn't show up with nukes?
23:10 <Lucifer_arma> as soon as we go head to head, the world is going nuclear winter and there ain't jack I can do about it
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> so why should I even try to save your cities?  Why not just leave AUstralia a crater?
23:11 <spidey> 1 if you actually where to attack me
23:11 <spidey> 1
23:11 <spidey> i've got a small unit ready to move out
23:11 <spidey> 2 nukes go with it
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> through my blockade?
23:11 <spidey> of course
23:11 <Lucifer_arma> what part of blockade are you not understanding here?
23:11 <spidey> my fighters can take out them pitty destroyers :p
23:12 <spidey> destroyers are worthless :P
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> What about the fleet of battleships I was building the whole time I was attacking the Americans?
23:12 <spidey> so?
23:12 <spidey> bombers and missiles can kill them
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> or the 10 or so aegis cruisers I came up with?
23:12 <spidey> ageirs cruisers are the only thing i can't kill with air force
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> that is all true, and you might kill the first wave
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> you might even kill the second wave
23:12 <Lucifer_arma> how do you think you'll do when the 10th wave gets there?  The 20th?
23:13 <spidey> only one way to know :p
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> told you it would take a long time.  That's why it takes me so long to setup for war, and it's ok to let the other guy dig in.
23:13 <spidey> besides i'm tired and need a cigarette really bad, so i'ma walk to the store
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> sure, it's possible he could dig in deep enough that I can't beat him
23:13 <Lucifer_arma> but stalin beat hitler, didn't he?  :)
23:14 <spidey> no
23:14 <spidey> allies beat hitler
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> no, stalin beat hitler
23:14 <DrJoeTron> stalin was an allie
23:14 <spidey> allies beat hitler
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> allies just took credit, but the war was decided at Stalingrad
23:14 <spidey> -_-
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> it wasn't decided in the Battle of the Bulge, it was decided at Stalingrad
23:14 <spidey> walking to the store bbl!
23:14 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> 1 million dead russian soldiers
23:14 <DrJoeTron> Let them take as many pawns as they need!@
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> I think the real reason spidey failed to take out the zulus was because he was committing a classic blunder
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> He got involved in a land war in asia :)
23:17 <DrJoeTron> zing!
23:20 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:20 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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23:21 <dino__> do you guys know how to grow above size 12 in freeciv
23:23 <GodTodd> sewer system?
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> build a sewer
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to play a game with heavy barbarian onset
23:23 <Lucifer_arma> or something like that
23:25 <dino__> what a sewer?
23:25 <dino__> i'd build carazans
23:26 <Lucifer_arma> you need Sanitation to build a sewer
23:26 <dino__> ok
23:27 <dino__> I'm still learning tactics
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23:55 <spidey> hhmm
23:55 <spidey> i think the girl was flirting with me
23:56 <spidey> she fave me a pack of cigarettes free,though so i don't care
23:57 <spidey> i had my science upto 485pts/turn
23:57 <spidey> :)
23:59 <DrJoeTron> did you find true love spidey?
23:59 <DrJoeTron> and was through a pack of newports?

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