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--- Day changed Tue Aug 08 2006
00:04 <GodTodd> anyone happen to know if jre 5.0 updates 2,6 and 7 are all needed or do i just need to keep the latest one?
00:04 <GodTodd> i know i know stupid windows question 
00:06 <spidey> hmm
00:08 <spidey> java?
00:10 <GodTodd> yeah the runtime environment
00:11 <GodTodd> cuz the sdk i just have update 7
00:12 <GodTodd> so i would assume it would be the same for the RE
00:12 <GodTodd> but then i've assumed on windows before...;)
00:12 <GodTodd> ;)*
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00:14 <Lucifer_arma> ;)  *
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00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;)     *
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00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;)  *
00:15  * spidey stabs Lucifer_arma
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;) *
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;)*
00:15  * spidey kicks Lucifer_arma
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> ;(x
00:15  * spidey slaps Lucifer_arma
00:15 <Lucifer_arma>  /ignore spidey
00:15 <spidey> lol
00:15 <Lucifer_arma> you broke up my animation :(
00:16 <spidey> animation?
00:16 <spidey> i didn't see it moving :p
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> that's because you have no imagination
00:17  * Lucifer_arma hands spidey some imagination
00:17 <spidey> it's virtual
00:17 <spidey> \
00:17 <spidey> \
00:17 <spidey> \
00:17 <spidey> use your imagination!
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> pure virtual?  As in you don't have any, but your kids will?
00:17 <spidey> it's wrtlprnft in a bakini
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> *bikini
00:17 <spidey> #check bakini
00:17 <armabot> spidey: Possible spellings for "bakini": baking, bikini, backing, barking, biking, Bakunin, Bacon, bacon, bani, akin, bakings, balking, banking, basking, bikinis, braking, and baling.
00:18 <spidey> >.<
00:18 <Lucifer_arma>  /
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> -
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> \
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> -
00:18 <Lucifer_arma>  /
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> see?  it's an animation!
00:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hrhr
00:18 <[Xpert]DarkStar> loving that thing, eh?
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> well, what else are you gonna do when you find out the drupal module you've been reading code for so you can figure out how to import from mediawiki to drupal without irritating anybody DOESN'T FUCKING WORK?
00:19 <spidey> LOL
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> I think my time is better wasted finding out the patch for the paypal_subscription module doesn't work
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> yep, definitely better wasted that way
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> sorry GodTodd , looks like the damn paypal subscription thing doesn't work
00:22  * Lucifer_arma goes to look for a downloadable products module
00:24 <GodTodd> hrmm
00:24 <GodTodd> that sucks
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> look on the bright side, though.  I can make cool irc animations!
00:28 <guru3> email should be active soon x)
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I installed the ecommerce module, but I haven't the foggiest how to use it
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> maybe I'll release an EP printed and burned here at home and see how that does, and learn how to use the damn ecommerce module
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> any, GodTodd, try creating a File Download product using create content from the admin pages
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> see if you can make any sense out of it.  The path for it is the same as the path for regular file attachments, so theoretically you can upload the file with the regular uploader.
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> damn I must be sleepy, leaving off whole syllab from words.
00:36 <Lucifer_arma> if that doesn't actually work, then I"ll have to put up an ftp server or make you a shell account or something
00:40 <GodTodd> hmmm....file download should be a choice in create content?
00:41 <GodTodd> or do like story and go from there?
00:49 <GodTodd> nvm...working on a test
00:53 <GodTodd> hrmm...how long should it take to upload an .odt?
00:57 <spidey> #g 69 euros in usd
00:58 <armabot> 69 Euros = 88.4373 U.S. dollars
00:58 <spidey> bah
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> should be pretty quick
01:01 <GodTodd> and the little barber pole thing will stop when it's done, right?
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 euro in USD
01:01 <armabot> 1 Euro = 1.2817 U.S. dollars
01:01 <Lucifer_arma> um, I don't know, GodTodd.  The page will reload though.
01:01 <GodTodd> hrmmm
01:02 <GodTodd> let me try it again
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't see it in the right location
01:02 <GodTodd> bah...no wonder The selected file Who's to blame.odt can not be attached to this post, because it is only possible to attach files with the following extensions: jpg jpeg gif png txt html doc xls pdf ppt pps gz.
01:02 <GodTodd> can't do an OO doc
01:02 <GodTodd> heh
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> powerpoint?  but not odt???
01:02 <Lucifer_arma> wtf?
01:02 <GodTodd> yep
01:05 <spidey> #g 39 euros in usd
01:05 <armabot> 39 Euros = 49.9863 U.S. dollars
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> ok, try again
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> should be able to put that up there, but no ppt doc or xls :)
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, I changed the default wiki filter to be the mediawiki one, watch for it!  :)
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> mediawiki makes more sense than phpWiki, imo.
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1 pound in USD
01:07 <armabot> 1 British pound = 1.8933 U.S. dollars
01:08 <GodTodd> k...check it
01:09 <spidey> #g $29.95+$69
01:09 <armabot> (US$ 29.95) + (US$ 69) = 98.95 U.S. dollars
01:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's there
01:10 <Lucifer_arma> I, of course, can download it, heh
01:10 <GodTodd> yep
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> soooooo, using the regular upload mechanism is going to make the file available for download
01:12 <Lucifer_arma> which is reasonable :)
01:13 <GodTodd> yeah..that works :)
01:15 <Lucifer_arma> where's the add to cart button?
01:16 <GodTodd> ?
01:18 <GodTodd> is there supposed to be one?
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> how do you buy it?
01:18 <spidey> lmao
01:19 <spidey> don't you have to have the cart module?
01:20 <spidey> something like
01:20 <spidey> cubecart
01:20 <GodTodd> well it would make sense to have one :)
01:21 <spidey> here
01:21 <spidey> http://oscommerce.com/
01:21 <GodTodd> also...if you just click on 'products' the list is blank
01:21 <GodTodd> dunno if that's a bug or feature....i'm a windoze user after all ;)
01:21 <spidey> it's even gnu
01:21 <spidey> so luci should be happy
01:21 <spidey> :p
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> oscommerce is the suck-ass
01:22 <spidey> http://www.zen-cart.com/
01:23 <GodTodd> is this what you're using? http://drupal.org/project/ecommerce
01:27 <GodTodd> cuz...that sounds pretty inclusive....
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> there we go
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that's what I"m using
01:28 <Lucifer_arma> you need to open the > Products section of the node and select the product type.  It was set to "not a product".  :)
01:28 <GodTodd> hrmm?
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> go to edit the node, there's a product section, Product, with some choices in there.
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> I gotta go work on dinner, bbiab
01:30 <GodTodd> ummm i don't have that option :P
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--- Log opened Tue Aug 08 06:39:50 2006
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06:39 <Lucifer_arma> lee will probably trim the living ass out of it and I'll hate him for it, but they only get a month on it.  Then I can post it on my own site unedited.  :)
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06:40 <GodTodd> and i definitely want to let teasers out on any books i post because you never know when/if an agent or publishing house lackey will stumble on it
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the catch is, after you publish it here, a publishing house doesn't want it
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> you might do a little googling on the subject before getting too happy about it to see exactly what it'll do for you
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> ok, T2 article sent, now I have closure.  I can proceed with Linux in a car.  :)
06:45 <GodTodd> right...but you figure that most of the beginning novels for authors don't go anywhere anyway
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> of course, that means I have to create linux in a car first.
06:46 <GodTodd> lol
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> until after they die, that is.  :)
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, here's the thing.  If newsforge doesn't want to buy my linux in a car articles (which I already queried them so I'm obligated to give it to them first), I put them on the site
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> if I can put them on the site, we'll get thousands of hits after I submit links to a few strategic places, and the traffic from that will stay with us for awhile.
06:47 <Lucifer_arma> anyway, let's wait and see if newsforge buys them after I write the first one.
06:49 <GodTodd> http://www.planetpdf.com/mainpage.asp?webpageid=960
06:49 <GodTodd> granted...he's a well established writer....but the market is there
06:52 <Lucifer_arma> yes and yes
06:52 <GodTodd> not to mention the obvious example of the baen library :)
06:53 <GodTodd> where eric flint has noticed steadily climbing sales since opening his library there
06:53  * Lucifer_arma gets a guilty look on his face
06:53  * Lucifer_arma has spent a pretty penny over there :)
06:53 <Lucifer_arma> finally broke down and bought the rest of the Belisarius series :)
06:54 <GodTodd> The method works, says Eric, because it is just like a traditional library: it encourages readers to explore new authors before asking them to pay.
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> indeed, there's a man who knows what's in store for writers
06:54 <GodTodd> yep
06:54 <GodTodd> that's why i see it as an opportunity :)
06:54 <Lucifer_arma> and why we still need publishers in a world where anybody can publish anytime
06:55 <GodTodd> i think ebooks are going to diminish the importance of the big houses
06:55 <GodTodd> they'll still be there, sure, but not as big
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> absolutely.  The focus is shifting even now to quality writing and lots of it
06:55 <GodTodd> yep
06:55 <Lucifer_arma> the big houses are just like the big record companies and moviemakers and stuff
06:55 <GodTodd> yep
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> fat, lazy, and don't want to waste their time making good stuff when they know they can sell the crap they've got
06:56 <GodTodd> exhibit A: romance novels
06:56 <GodTodd> :)
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> well they're going to be pretty lean by the time this is all over, assuming there's anything left of them.  :)
06:56 <GodTodd> just look at hollywood anymore...i dare you to find 5 original ideas
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> I actually tried to read a romance novel.  My kids bought it for me because it had a horse on it, and I felt duty-bound to read it.
06:56 <GodTodd> heh
06:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd find the 5 original ideas, but they're buried in classic literature
06:57 <GodTodd> that have been put out in the last year?
06:57 <GodTodd> :P
06:57 <Lucifer_arma> if it had been put out in the last year, it wouldn't be classic!
06:57 <GodTodd> exactly
06:57 <GodTodd> :P
06:58 <GodTodd> they're making sequels to movies that shouldn't have had a first ;)
06:58 <Lucifer_arma> you mean like Toy Story 3?
06:59 <GodTodd> heh
06:59 <GodTodd> yeah
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so I'm a little behind with movies.  That's to be expected, I've been boycotting the MPAA for a few years now.
06:59 <GodTodd> or santa clause 3
06:59 <GodTodd> http://www.planetebook.com/mainpage.asp?webpageid=362 < ----- all i really need to know about the future of books and publishing :)
07:00 <GodTodd> though it does confuse the issue with *gasp* facts
07:00 <GodTodd> ;)
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> Home Alone 3?  I guess that's a pretty old movie now
07:00 <GodTodd> yeah
07:00 <Lucifer_arma> Rocky 5 :)
07:01 <GodTodd> ghostbusters 2?
07:01 <GodTodd> ;)
07:01 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that's just one, maybe two movies that shouldn't have been made, but I thoroughly enjoyed the first 3 rockies
07:02 <GodTodd> they weren't bad
07:02 <GodTodd> The Library's track record shows clearly that the traditional "encryption/enforcement" policy which has been followed thus far by most of the publishing industry is just plain stupid, as well as unconscionable from the viewpoint of infringing on personal liberties.
07:02 <Lucifer_arma> no, and they were progressivly not-so-good, too
07:03 <GodTodd> truly
07:03 <Lucifer_arma> you know, it just strikes me as bad business to take the assumption that all of your customers are thieves
07:03 <Luke-Jr> Equilibrium was a decent movie
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> and I don't seriously buy in to the idea that the 1% or so of people that will legitimately purchase something and then copy it for thousands of people can ruin it for the rest of us
07:04 <GodTodd> you read any flint?
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> those people that download copies of something without ever buying it were never customers to begin with and you've lost nothing
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> and yes, I've read a fair amount of flint
07:04 <GodTodd> mother of demons?
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> he did most of the writing on the Belisarius Series, after all.  :)
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> nah, not any fantasy.  Not interested anymore.
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> Umm, 1632 and 1633 were pretty good
07:05 <GodTodd> in 2 years it went from a sell through of 54% up to 65%
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> Pyramid Scheme ws awesome
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> look, I've gotten hours and hours of good reading from the free library, and I've put out for their ebooks because of it.
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> You're preaching to the choir as far as baen is concerned.
07:06 <GodTodd> exactly the premise behind it
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> Man, I just reread the March Upcountry series for like the third time.  I really love that series.
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> first two books are in the library.  I've only got the third on paper, but I can give you a copy of the fourth.
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> of course, I downloaded the palm prc files.  :)
07:07 <GodTodd> it's just a perfect example of how putting some/most/all of my stuff up for free will help me more, imo, than writing 10 query letters a month to agents 
07:07 <Lucifer_arma> for that matter, I got 1633 the same way.  A nice guy on slashdot hooked me up.
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think Mr Flint's doing any bitching about it either because that's what we've always done!
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> "Hey Todd, check out this book, it's fucking cool!"  "Oh yeah?  Let me read it"
07:09 <GodTodd> nah...hell he said that the library is no different than borrowing books from friends
07:09 <GodTodd> hell...you got me into Koontz way back when
07:09 <GodTodd> well...most of the people i read before actually
07:09 <GodTodd> heh
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> that's exactly what it is, and exactly how it works.  I borrow the first couple of books in the series from you and catch up, I can either wait until you're finished or buy my own.
07:09 <GodTodd> yep
07:10 <GodTodd> that's why i hate the record companies too...i believe cd sales are up after p2p
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> I think keeping a personal copy doesn't change the basic problem for readers.  The problem is after you've borrowed the book, what do you do now?  You loved it, right?  You want more, don't you?
07:10 <GodTodd> i'd have to research it but i think i'm right
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> you can't borrow forever!
07:10 <Lucifer_arma> Actually I've done a fair amount of research on it.
07:10 <GodTodd> exactly
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> Up until about 2003, the record companies saw record-breaking sales pretty much every year.
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> In 2003 they didn't.  They saw a 30% drop in sales.  They went running around "Oh those *evil* pirates!"
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> of course, they didn't bother mentioning there was a corresponding 30% drop in *production*
07:11 <GodTodd> well...the 'pirates' were around before 2003
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> but they had to file their SEC reports just like every other publicly traded company
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> well, they used to bitch loud and proud and then quietly file away to the SEC
07:12 <Lucifer_arma> then folks started printing those reports.  A little FOIA goes a long way, you know.  Besides, the SEC sticks 'em on the web anyway.
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> So they paid for a bunch of studies to be done with some downright screwy math to determine how much money they were losing to piracy.
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> Of course, the independent studies that were either done independently or paid for by consumer groups (which I've dug up before) all said the same thing:
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> on average, people who used P2P software bought 1 more CD each month
07:13 <Lucifer_arma> That's 12 CDs *on average* per year
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> THe record companies said there were somewhere around 30 million evil-doers?
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> #g 30000000 * 12
07:14 <armabot> 30,000,000 * 12 = 360,000,000
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> So 360 billion cd sales generated by P2P trading
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> let's see, record companies get about $5 profit on each disc sold (according to courtney love)
07:14 <Lucifer_arma> #g 30000000 * 12 * 5
07:14 <armabot> 30,000,000 * 12 * 5 = 1,800,000,000
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> now who wouldn't object to that kind of revenue?  Of course, my own math is wonkety, the record industry was *never* that big
07:15 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they're cut is less than I'm crediting here, hmmmm
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> no, the issue isn't about whether or not they make any money at it
07:16 <GodTodd> still...i'd take it
07:16 <GodTodd> :)
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> the issue is about the fact that record companies control the entire distribution and marketing chain, and by controlling that, they control the musicians themselves
07:16 <GodTodd> but the issue is whether they *lose* money
07:16 <GodTodd> and they don't
07:16 <GodTodd> yep
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> but here comes the internet!  That's a distribution and marketing avenue they *don't* control--can't control!
07:17 <GodTodd> yep...it's organic
07:17 <Lucifer_arma> and what happens when that happens?  All those indie labels they've been trying to sue into the ground and crush in other ways finally get a reprieve
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07:17 <Lucifer_arma> all those indie bands that have been making a decent living because they never signed the 6-record slave contract with a major now have a chance at real stardom
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> and that is a very serious threat to the big guys
07:18 <GodTodd> we've gone through too much time with big companies in all entertainment venues telling us what's good...we've been choosing 'what sucks less'
07:18 <Lucifer_arma> very profound
07:19 <GodTodd> there are a lot of writers, for instance, that could write circles around the published authors, i'm sure
07:19 <GodTodd> but the houses say they're not marketable therefore we never hear of them
07:19 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, hard to say.  In some fields, certainly.  I tend to stick with sci-fi, which is usually pretty good.
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> and you've got to remember, the publishing business is old.  Not as old as the printing press, but at least since the mid-19th century.  The record companies are still kids by comparison.
07:20 <GodTodd> hell...1632, as of 2002, had sold 34,000 paperback copies....it was in the free library simultaneously
07:20 <GodTodd> yep
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> publishers already saw the internet come and have been dealing with it since the '80s.
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> sure, in the '80s it was mostly academic journals that were *embracing* the internet, the rest fell in in the 90s
07:21 <GodTodd> ahhh....cool...he does a royalty period breakdown of An Oblique Approach
07:21 <Lucifer_arma> but there's another large difference.  In the music business, the bands that talk about piracy are the ones who are either really rich already, or are going to lose their contract if they don't spit the party line
07:22 <GodTodd> i think it's more the latter
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> in the publishing business, it's writers that are bitching
07:22 <Lucifer_arma> well, Metallica was all selfish about it, and they're the most visible band I know of that actually had nothing to lose and everything to gain by jumping on the p2p bandwagon
07:23 <GodTodd> i know....i lost a *lot* of respect for them 
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, they *got* their stardom by encouraging people to pirate their shit!
07:23 <GodTodd> exactly
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> when they released that crap album they got a bunch of people in Madison Square Gardens to listen to it, right?
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> And they had their special "plug in to the mixer right here" post for people to *record* the damn thing.
07:23 <Lucifer_arma> a studio album!
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> then lars ulrich comes along and says "no, the deal never included studio albums, it only included concerts"
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> fucking liar
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to meet up with him just so I can say I don't pay the danegeld
07:24 <Lucifer_arma> millions for defense, not one fucking cent for tribute!
07:24 <GodTodd> heh
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> don't give the dane any money or you'll never get rid of the bastard!
07:25 <GodTodd> heh
07:25 <Lucifer_arma> Hey, speaking of Danes, you know King Diamond lives around you, right?
07:25 <GodTodd> hey....i'm danish :P
07:26 <GodTodd> partly
07:26 <GodTodd> yeah...i read that somewhere
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> heh, I used to have this as my email signature:
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> I slipped inside the oval office, I slipped in oh so fast.
07:27 <Lucifer_arma>  Grabbed the president by the necktie and wiped my funky ass
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> I sent an email to my mother-in-law and she freaked out.  haha.
07:28 <GodTodd> haha
07:30 <GodTodd> this is an awesome article....i'm bookmarking it
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07:33 <GodTodd> yeah...KD lives in Dallas
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> oh good, looks like the article rating stuff is finally appearing again.  :)
07:38 <GodTodd> heh
07:38 <GodTodd> wow...in this interview KD is actually sounding like an atheist
07:42 <GodTodd> and a freakin' chatterbox 
07:42 <GodTodd> heh
07:47 <GodTodd> But if car dealers followed the moronic practices of most publishers (and, to the best of my knowledge, the entire music recording industry) they would sternly refuse to let anyone even sit in one of their cars-much less give it a test drive-unless they'd already paid for it.
07:47 <GodTodd> nice point
07:47 <GodTodd> flint again
08:11 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6030 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp: Fixed comparison range of distance comparison to also work with negative distances.
08:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6031 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gWall.cpp:
08:17 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6018 to 6030:
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08:17 <armabot> armagetronad:  Fixed comparison range of distance comparison to also work with negative distances.
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08:17 <armabot> armagetronad: Reenabled assertions in Check(), they should work now.
08:29 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Durka/fortress/side_chutes-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Durka
08:41 <spidey> Luke-Jr fix your admin panel
08:41 <spidey> Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 7242016 bytes) in /var/www/localhost/aa-admin/log.php on line 25
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> GodTodd: more tweaks on the stylesheet :)
09:56 <GodTodd> wanted the store link to be more noticeable? ;)
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  I'm about to move it and get rid of the primary links, though.
10:00 <GodTodd> ah
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> although it might be nice to put the nice-menu up there
10:00 <Lucifer_arma> the paypal link is going away too.  Probably doesn't work anyway.
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10:01 <Lucifer_arma> try reading something though.  I fooled with the margins
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> er
10:01 <Lucifer_arma> nvm
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10:02 <Lucifer_arma> try reading something though.  I fooled with the margins
10:02 <Lucifer_arma> also, the backup job is running right now, web server will be slow during it
10:03 <GodTodd> blah..i missed some of that i think
10:03 <GodTodd> stupid fingers
10:03 <GodTodd> heh
10:03 <Lucifer_arma> nah, I repeted myself when you got back
10:03 <GodTodd> ah ok :)
10:03 <GodTodd> and the paypal link does go to 'send money'
10:04 <GodTodd> tho i agree the nicemenu might look neato up there
10:04 <Lucifer_arma> ah fuck.  er.
10:05 <GodTodd> trouble?
10:05 <GodTodd> erm
10:05 <GodTodd> yeah
10:05 <GodTodd> heh
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> fucking paypal link was really huge
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> ACK!
10:08 <GodTodd> ummmm....
10:08 <GodTodd> wow? ;)
10:08 <GodTodd> even my blind ass can read that menu
10:08 <GodTodd> heh
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> almost there....
10:10 <GodTodd> just about :)
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> so much for float right
10:11 <GodTodd> heh
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> success!
10:16 <GodTodd> :)
10:18  * GodTodd decides not to point out the extraneous grey line. ;)
10:19 <GodTodd> hrmm...just add more menu items? cover it up :)
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> I like that line, sorry
10:20 <GodTodd> heh
10:20 <GodTodd> that's cool :)
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> here we go, I think this'll do it
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> I lied, completely and utterly
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have any idea what that extraneous white line is
10:27 <Lucifer_arma> but it's finally how I want it
10:28 <GodTodd> heh
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> looks good in konqueror too
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if you log out, you'll notice that in order to move from content to that navigation bar, you have to go over the google banner :)
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> now I need all the links that are currently green to turn blue
10:30 <GodTodd> heh
10:30 <GodTodd> that should be easy enough
10:30 <GodTodd> maybe
10:32 <GodTodd> that's the thing about web site design....fixes and tweaks are either really easy or really hard 
10:32 <GodTodd> heh
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> there, that's nice.  Now I just need to find the headings...
10:33 <GodTodd> wow...blends in nicely now :)
10:34 <Lucifer_arma> ok, now check it
10:35 <GodTodd> nice :)
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> ty :)
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> now I better quit fucking with it before I break it
10:35 <Lucifer_arma> you know, sleep on it and see how I like it tomorrow
10:36 <GodTodd> that's usually the undoing of my site....i think 'just one more tweak'
10:36 <GodTodd> heh
10:36 <GodTodd> then all i get is a broke ass site til i feel like fixing it
10:36 <GodTodd> :)
10:36 <Lucifer_arma> yep.  been there, done that.  My site sat like that for a loooong time.  Just one more tweak and it broke, and when I went back to fix it I had to do one more tweak again, rinse and repeat
10:37 <GodTodd> yep
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> the footer is the next thing that needs real attention, but it won't be tonight
10:37 <Lucifer_arma> and I've got to go through all the modules and figure out what to do about headings again.
10:38 <GodTodd> whatcha gonna do to the footer?
10:38 <GodTodd> make it not stick out so much?
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> oh shit, there's no home link in the menu bar, and I made the one at the top unobviously a home link
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, the footer needs to shrink quite a bit and become a link to the copyright page that doesn't exist.
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> you could do that stuff if you wanted.  :)  The footer text is in settings in the admin page.
10:39 <Lucifer_arma> I was just thinking the copyright part and the creative commons badge should stay, and have a link to the "copyright page" which should contain another informal discussion that includes the translation stuff
10:40 <GodTodd> ah....oh and one thing...we need to change the creative commons license link from 1.0 at the end to 2.5
10:40 <GodTodd> that's the new one
10:40 <GodTodd> small matter :)
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> ahahahahaha
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> shows you how much I check with my lawyer :)
10:42 <Lucifer_arma> ok, got a home link now on the menu bar
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> this is actually very similar to the layout it had when I used my own custom cms before I used mambo.  Weird.
10:44 <GodTodd> heh
10:44 <GodTodd> ok...linked to the new license
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> actually, if we stay with * Stupid Website, then the only thing that has to change is the title at the top
10:45 <Lucifer_arma> which is the title of the site.  :/
10:45 <GodTodd> i guess it depends on how clever we want to get with it....and that kind of defeats the wole message we're trying to send ;)
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> the favicon could use a better rendition, it's not just a guitar thing anymore.  And the sextant is pretentious as hell, but it was all I could find that nobody would understand.  :)
10:46 <Lucifer_arma> people probably think it's a cannon or something, heh
10:46 <GodTodd> heh
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, the site was originally "Dave's Stupid Website".  I added the Fancella so people would have to learn how to spell it, and so it would feel more personal
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> we could reasonably return back to that old name
10:48 <GodTodd> true
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, it gets away from the "This is Dave Fancella's site and only his" message the current title carries and otherwise feels exactly that same
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> it also conveniently doesn't require another article talking about the site.  :)
10:49 <GodTodd> heh
10:50 <GodTodd> should we change the default time on the site or keep it at GMT?
10:50 <GodTodd> or do we care?
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> um, default is gmt?
10:50 <GodTodd> yep
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> may as well keep it gmt then.  If people want it localized, they can register themselves.
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> There's a module that uses some javascript to get the user's locale from the browser we might consider using
10:51 <Lucifer_arma> worst case it doesn't work and they get gmt anyway
10:51 <GodTodd> true
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> only works for logged in users
10:52 <GodTodd> bah...there were like 4 places to change that damn license number
10:52 <GodTodd> heh
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> so it's neat, but not terribly useful, and I'm not in a hurry to add a module and take the performance hit that goes with it for that
10:53 <GodTodd> yeah...it's not that big a deal...they get local time if they register :)
10:53 <GodTodd> so...you just want to take it to "Dave's Stupid Website" then?
10:54 <GodTodd> while i'm here
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> sure, you want to do that or try to think up something better?
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, may as well change it while you're there, and if we come up with something better we can burn that bridge then
10:55 <GodTodd> there
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> I gotta admit, I'm liking this blue a lot.  This site's been green, pink, brick, black, but this blue feels really good.
10:56 <GodTodd> i like the blue
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's 4am and I need to stop trying to tweak the site, so I'm going to bed :)
10:57 <GodTodd> yeah...i should too...6:30 comes awful early
10:57 <GodTodd> heh
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> we need to think about collaboratively authoring something at some point since the tool is right there to do it.
10:57 <GodTodd> yeah
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> #night
10:57 <armabot> Good night Lucifer_arma!
10:58 <GodTodd> #night
10:58 <armabot> Good night GodTodd!
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11:22 <guru3> grr hope i didn't just kill my linux install on my desktop :S
11:30 <guru3> seems not
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15:52 <wrtlprnft> do i have any messages from ph?
15:52 <wrtlprnft> looks like I don't
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18:05 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6032 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cWidgetBase.cpp: Leak/bugfix: added missing break; statement in switch.
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18:27 <Luke-Jr> hope nobody minds
18:28 <Luke-Jr> I'm about to backport fixes to 0.3.0 branch and tag a 0.3.0.1
18:28 <Luke-Jr> if someone wants to repeat that for Lucifer_arma, he might be interested
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18:58 <TiTnAsS> yo
18:58 <TiTnAsS> wheres luke jr
19:00 <Luke-Jr> ...
19:00 <TiTnAsS> yo
19:00 <TiTnAsS> are u still hosting the server?
19:01 <TiTnAsS> i'm no longer in !LOL!
19:01 <Luke-Jr> last I checked
19:01 <TiTnAsS> so shut it down
19:01 <TiTnAsS> '
19:01 <TiTnAsS> i turned it off
19:01 <TiTnAsS> and delete settings
19:01 <TiTnAsS> last month
19:01 <TiTnAsS> this month*
19:01 <TiTnAsS> it was only up for 2 days
19:01 <Luke-Jr> I charge per-month, not per-day
19:02 <TiTnAsS> good
19:02 <TiTnAsS> no charges then
19:02 <Luke-Jr> 2 days is the same as the full month
19:02 <TiTnAsS> llol
19:03 <Luke-Jr> so I'm still expecting that money order or however you plan to pay
19:03 <TiTnAsS> bullshit 
19:03 <TiTnAsS> talk to !LOL! clan
19:03 <TiTnAsS> it was their server
19:03 <Luke-Jr> you obviously don't live in the real world
19:03 <TiTnAsS> nah
19:03 <Luke-Jr> it was your server, it had your name
19:03 <TiTnAsS> i live in lala land
19:03 <TiTnAsS> atleast you have a nice site
19:03 <TiTnAsS> you should give me 10 free months
19:03 <TiTnAsS> for that nice site
19:03 <Luke-Jr> try using a cell phone for 1 second and arguing not being charged for the minute
19:03 <Luke-Jr> that site sucks, BTW
19:03 <TiTnAsS> hahaha
19:03 <TiTnAsS> calm down man
19:04 <TiTnAsS> geezus..
19:04 <TiTnAsS> want me to get a person to buy hosting or someting from u?
19:04 <Luke-Jr> sure, if you can
19:04 <TiTnAsS> nah... its ok
19:04 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:04 <TiTnAsS> why are u charging for a free game?
19:04 <TiTnAsS> it hought tron was free
19:04 <TiTnAsS> i never expected you to actually want the money
19:04 <Luke-Jr> free is not gratis
19:05 <Luke-Jr> I have bills too
19:05 <TiTnAsS> 2 days?
19:05 <Luke-Jr> servers don't come free
19:05 <TiTnAsS> its hosted on your house comp
19:05 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:05 <Luke-Jr> billing is per month
19:05 <Luke-Jr> it isn't
19:05 <TiTnAsS> it lagged like it was
19:05 <Luke-Jr> it's hosted in a server room in Chicago
19:05 <TiTnAsS> jk
19:05 <TiTnAsS> how bout i give you a cookie
19:05 <Luke-Jr> a cookie doesn't pay the bills
19:06 <TiTnAsS> i'll give you .50 cents
19:06 <TiTnAsS> for each day
19:06 <Luke-Jr> try paying your cell company for 1 second instead of 1 minute, or anyone else
19:06 <TiTnAsS> my cellphone company doesn't count any calls under 10 seconds
19:06 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:06 <Luke-Jr> most do
19:06 <TiTnAsS> not mine
19:07 <Luke-Jr> maybe because you pay for service
19:07 <TiTnAsS> nah
19:07 <TiTnAsS> they dont count a minute as 10 seconds
19:07 <TiTnAsS> atleast i told you that i was done with it
19:07 <Luke-Jr> most do, and you're paying them monthly either way
19:07 <TiTnAsS> before a month passed
19:08 <Luke-Jr> anyway, you started service on July 30th
19:09 <Luke-Jr> today is Aug 8
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i stopped it
19:09 <TiTnAsS> long time ago
19:09 <Luke-Jr> that's 9 days
19:09 <TiTnAsS> you should check the last time i logged in
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i stopped the service
19:09 <TiTnAsS> long time ago
19:09 <Luke-Jr> service isn't canncelled by non-use
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i tried going on irc alot
19:09 <TiTnAsS> you nevver responded
19:09 <TiTnAsS> ur fault
19:09 <Luke-Jr> nonsense
19:09 <TiTnAsS> sense
19:09 <Luke-Jr> you could have left a messagewe have a bot
19:09 <Luke-Jr> even if I wasn't here, the bot keeps messages
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i dont use irc that much
19:09 <TiTnAsS> i dont know the bot shit
19:10 <TiTnAsS> well someone left u messages with th ebot
19:10 <Luke-Jr> either way, I'm always here
19:10 <TiTnAsS> did u get them?
19:10 <TiTnAsS> check ur notes or something
19:10 <TiTnAsS> wrtl or someone left notes for u
19:10 <TiTnAsS> did u seep them?
19:10 <TiTnAsS> #Notes luke-jr
19:10 <armabot> TiTnAsS: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
19:10 <TiTnAsS> he made them
19:10 <TiTnAsS> i know he di
19:10 <TiTnAsS> d
19:11 <TiTnAsS> yt?
19:12 <[dlh]> #realchatlogs
19:12 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
19:12 <Luke-Jr> TiTnAsS: yes, I got those
19:12 <Luke-Jr> and then you changed your mind
19:12 <TiTnAsS> no i didnt
19:12 <TiTnAsS> i never changed my mind
19:12 <TiTnAsS> are u on crack?
19:12 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 15:45:48 <armabot>       Sent 4 hours and 37 minutes ago: <wrtlprnft> 13:07 <TitsnAss> tell him tits wants to cancel the server hosting because hes not sure if he can pay for it
19:12 <TiTnAsS> i still said i wanted to cancel
19:13 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:38:45 <TitsnAss>      i just need to keep it up
19:13 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:38:50 <TitsnAss>      i'll even throw a few bucks
19:13 <TiTnAsS> when did i say that
19:13 <Luke-Jr> then you went on to talk about payment
19:13 <Luke-Jr> look at the timestamps
19:13 <TiTnAsS> i said i'll pay only a couple dollars
19:14 <TiTnAsS> not ur overpricing 
19:14 <TiTnAsS> give up i'm not paying
19:14 <Luke-Jr> my prices are fair
19:14 <Luke-Jr> I even offered you a deal
19:14 <TiTnAsS> 15 bucks?
19:14 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:58:26 <Luke-Jr>   sigh, fine. $15/mo
19:14 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:58:31 <TitsnAss>  SWEET
19:14 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:58:33 <TitsnAss>  :D
19:14 <Luke-Jr> Aug 02 16:58:37 <TitsnAss>  let me work on the money order
19:14 <TiTnAsS> that was when iw as in clan
19:14 <TiTnAsS> not in clan anymore
19:14 <Luke-Jr> that was the deal
19:14 <Luke-Jr> you agreed
19:14 <TiTnAsS> too baddddd
19:15 <TiTnAsS> anyways 
19:15 <TiTnAsS> i'll give you some free hosting if uw ant?
19:15 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:15 <TiTnAsS> its better hosting than u guys give
19:16 <TiTnAsS> later man
19:16 <Luke-Jr> I don't need hosting
19:16 <TiTnAsS> i'll give u a itunes certificate code?
19:16 <Luke-Jr> useless to me
19:16 <TiTnAsS> softwarE?
19:16 <TiTnAsS> music?
19:16 <Luke-Jr> ...
19:16 <TiTnAsS> videos?
19:17 <Luke-Jr> how about just paying?
19:17 <TiTnAsS> nah
19:17 <TiTnAsS> i dont want to waste money on a tron server
19:17 <TiTnAsS> thats really stupid 
19:17 <Luke-Jr> you agreed
19:17 <TiTnAsS> now i disagree
19:17 <TiTnAsS> be nice and i'll buy one in the month of NEVER
19:17 <Luke-Jr> the deal was already made
19:17 <Luke-Jr> you owe me $15
19:17 <TiTnAsS> i never signed a contract
19:18 <TiTnAsS> ok
19:18 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay you next year
19:18 <Luke-Jr> verbal agreement has the same weight as a contract if it can be proven
19:18 <Luke-Jr> and I happen to log everything
19:18 <TiTnAsS> first you have to pay me 15 bucks for the site
19:18 <TiTnAsS> i'm charging you
19:18 <Luke-Jr> I never wanted your site
19:18 <TiTnAsS> too bad
19:18 <TiTnAsS> you asked me to make it
19:18 <Luke-Jr> I never agreed to buy it
19:18 <Luke-Jr> no I didn't
19:18 <TiTnAsS> you asked me to make it
19:18 <TiTnAsS> yeah u did
19:18 <TiTnAsS> u said make the site
19:18 <TiTnAsS> and givec the link
19:18 <Luke-Jr> I offered you a deal on reselling, and you made the site for your own use to resell with
19:18 <TiTnAsS> too bad stop crying 
19:19 <TiTnAsS> i'm not paying
19:19 <TiTnAsS> seeya 
19:19 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay u 15 bucks when i can 
19:19 <TiTnAsS> do u have paypal?
19:19 <Luke-Jr> yes
19:19 <TiTnAsS> whats the email 
19:19 <TiTnAsS> are u paypal verified
19:19 <Luke-Jr> luke-jr_paypal@dashjr.is-a-geek.org>
19:19 <Luke-Jr> yes
19:19 <TiTnAsS> dashjr.is-a-geek.org?
19:20 <TiTnAsS> wtf...
19:20 <TiTnAsS> make a less complicating email that is verified
19:20 <Luke-Jr> yes, it's an old email specifically for paypal
19:20 <Luke-Jr> it works fine
19:20 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:20 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay u 5 bucks
19:20 <TiTnAsS> since i didn't even have service for a month
19:20 <TiTnAsS> plus ur server was lagging too much 
19:20 <TiTnAsS> everyone was complaining that you were downloading pr0n
19:20 <Luke-Jr> it was not, I was there
19:20 <TiTnAsS> during nights
19:21 <TiTnAsS> evertyone complainining
19:21 <TiTnAsS> their pings spiked high 
19:21 <TiTnAsS> more than usual 
19:21 <TiTnAsS> you must of been downloading something
19:21 <Luke-Jr> nonsense
19:21 <TiTnAsS> sense.
19:21 <Luke-Jr> I would download from home, not from a remote server that I can't directly access
19:21 <TiTnAsS> the server wa slagging
19:21 <TiTnAsS> alot
19:21 <Luke-Jr> which would only affect my ping, nobody elses
19:21 <TiTnAsS> ask them
19:21 <Luke-Jr> I was there, don't talk bs
19:21 <TiTnAsS> ask them 
19:21 <Luke-Jr> $7 and I'll call it paid
19:22 <TiTnAsS> i said 5?
19:22 <TiTnAsS> u know i can just go away
19:22 <TiTnAsS> and not pay
19:22 <TiTnAsS> it woudln't matter at all to me
19:22 <Luke-Jr> $5 service + $2 for setup/putting up with you/paypal-takes-some-out
19:22 <TiTnAsS> lol
19:23 <TiTnAsS> could i get 5 bucks back for the sucky server?
19:23 <Luke-Jr> the server works great
19:23 <TiTnAsS> haahahahahaahahaahahahahahaaaahaha
19:23 <Luke-Jr> now are you going to pay the $15 you owe me or settle with $7?
19:23 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay nothing
19:24 <TiTnAsS> and be happy with that
19:24 <Luke-Jr> you'll regret it
19:24 <TiTnAsS> really?
19:24 <Luke-Jr> yes
19:24 <TiTnAsS> how would i?
19:24 <Luke-Jr> you'll find out
19:24 <TiTnAsS> are u going to mailbomb me?
19:24 <TiTnAsS> are u going to flood my ip?
19:24 <TiTnAsS> are you going to stock me?
19:24 <TiTnAsS> are u going to start pinging my ip?
19:24 <Luke-Jr> it's spelled stalk, btw
19:24 <TiTnAsS> so ur going to stalk me now?/
19:24 <Luke-Jr> no
19:24 <TiTnAsS> grow up
19:24 <Luke-Jr> just telling you how to spell it
19:24 <TiTnAsS> so how will i regret it
19:25 <TiTnAsS> will i be hated more on the tron community?
19:25 <TiTnAsS> will i be deleted from the forums
19:25 <Luke-Jr> you'll find out if you don't pay
19:25 <TiTnAsS> tell me now
19:25 <TiTnAsS> it will help me pay
19:25 <TiTnAsS> for something i never liked
19:26 <Luke-Jr> I haven't decided
19:26 <Luke-Jr> nonsense, if you didn't like it you wouldn't have been begging to get it
19:27 <TiTnAsS> ???????
19:27 <TiTnAsS> you make me laugh
19:28 <Luke-Jr> I'll report you for non-payment in your credit rating
19:29 <TiTnAsS> you dont have any info on me
19:29 <TiTnAsS> : > 
19:29 <Luke-Jr> that's what you think
19:30 <TiTnAsS> tell me one thing about me
19:30 <TiTnAsS> other than my name
19:30 <TiTnAsS> and i'll pay you
19:30 <TiTnAsS> go ahead
19:30 <TiTnAsS> and if you cant tell me
19:30 <TiTnAsS> i dont pay u
19:30 <Luke-Jr> you'll pay me the full $15?
19:30 <TiTnAsS> 7 bucks
19:31 <TiTnAsS> go ahead
19:31 <TiTnAsS> tell me
19:31 <TiTnAsS> i'll give u 30 seconds
19:31 <TiTnAsS> 29
19:31 <TiTnAsS> 18
19:31  * Luke-Jr ponders whether to take the $7 or credit report
19:31 <TiTnAsS> rofl
19:31 <TiTnAsS> dont try to black mail
19:31 <Luke-Jr> lol, you're better off paying the $7... I might just go ahead and report you
19:31 <TiTnAsS> i doubt you knew anything on me
19:31 <Luke-Jr> it's not blackmail
19:31 <TiTnAsS> no
19:31 <TiTnAsS> tell me something
19:31 <TiTnAsS> i'll pay
19:31 <TiTnAsS> if u dont know anyhtin gabou mt
19:31 <TiTnAsS> i dont have to tell u anything
19:32 <TiTnAsS> SEEYA
19:32 <TiTnAsS> i'll give u 30 seconds like i said
19:32 <TiTnAsS> to find out sommething about me
19:32 <Luke-Jr> like I said, I'll just credit report you
19:32 <TiTnAsS> ok
19:32 <TiTnAsS> thanks
19:32 <TiTnAsS> seeeya
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19:33 <TiTnAsS> ok you made me feel bad
19:34 <TiTnAsS> whats ur paypal again
19:34 <Luke-Jr> luke-jr_paypal@dashjr.is-a-geek.org
19:34 <TiTnAsS> expect it sometime this week
19:34 <TiTnAsS> or next week
19:34 <TiTnAsS> depending whenever the account gets verified
19:34 <TiTnAsS> seeya
19:34 -!- TiTnAsS [n=TiTnAsS@c-24-5-242-236.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit]
19:34 <Luke-Jr> ...
20:02 -!- DrJoeTron [i=DrJoeTr0@adsl-67-37-225-31.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #Armagetron
20:04  * spidey slaps joe
20:06  * DrJoeTron hates spidey
20:11 <Luke-Jr> spidey: TNA is stupid *rant rant*
20:12 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: guess who finally showed up to cancel his service-- and refuse to pay
20:14 <spidey> lol
20:14 <spidey> i could have told you that
20:14 <spidey> yay
20:14 <spidey> there's people in both servers :D
20:15 <spidey> btw luke, i took the money out today so it should be in paypal 3-4 days
20:16 <Luke-Jr> took money out? wha? o.O
20:17 <spidey> you have to take money out the bank and put it in paypal before you have anything in paypal
20:17 <spidey> you know?
20:18 <spidey> hmm
20:18 <spidey> <pre></pre> doesn't work worth a shit >.<
20:20 <Luke-Jr> spidey: erm, usually when you click the button it lets you set it up to automatically pull it from an account
20:21 <Luke-Jr> <pre> does exactly what it's supposed to do
20:21 <Luke-Jr> which isn't something you'd often want to do
20:21 <Luke-Jr> spidey: I keep a balance of $0 in Paypal and have it automatically transfer anything I want to spend
20:28 <DrJoeTron> oh i know hwo
20:28 <DrJoeTron> lucifer
20:28 <DrJoeTron> right?
20:28 <DrJoeTron> :D
20:32 <spidey> amd
20:32 <spidey> and
20:32 <spidey> pre preformats
20:32 <spidey> so like you load a textdoc,instead of opening and <center> all that shit just <pre>include</pre>
20:33 <DrJoeTron> told you it was a bad idea to have tit be a client
20:33 <spidey> ya
20:33 <DrJoeTron> id rather talk to a dead guy
20:33 <DrJoeTron> because i know the outcome at least
20:33 <spidey> i could have told you that
20:33 <spidey> then again i hate him
20:34 <DrJoeTron> brb
20:34 <spidey> sue him!
20:34 <spidey> then sue DrJoeTron for not telling you it'd be a bad idea
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20:50 <Luke-Jr> spidey: no
20:50 <Luke-Jr> spidey: <pre> does NOT preformat-- everything else does
20:50 <Luke-Jr> DrJoeTron: yeah, well at least I gave him a hard time and insisting on his paying
20:51 <Luke-Jr> spidey: <pre> means the content is already formatted
20:52 <spidey> >.<
20:52 <spidey> i just read his logs
20:52 <spidey> he's a moron
20:52 <Luke-Jr> lol
20:52 <spidey> the server doesn't lag
20:52 <spidey> if they did mine would
20:52 <spidey> and mkzelda had less lag in the one i get from you than he did in the one i got on the webserver
20:52 <spidey> then again his isp was fucked up
20:54 <Luke-Jr> yeah
20:54 <Luke-Jr> brain lag maybe ;)
20:54 <spidey> lol
20:54 <spidey> tits thinks he has a t3
20:55 <spidey> if he did he could host a shitload of tron servers from his house
20:55 <spidey> he's a moron :D
20:55 <Luke-Jr> lol
20:55 <Luke-Jr> I told him my server was on a T1
20:55 <Luke-Jr> and then he expects to serve off webpages with 500 KByte pages
20:55 <spidey> cable is faster
20:55 <spidey> t1 is just more stable
20:55 <Luke-Jr> and is surprised when he learns that T3 is up to 1.5 MBit
20:55 <Luke-Jr> T1 has better upload
20:56 <spidey> nah
20:56 <spidey> t1 = 1.5 mbit up and down
20:56 <Luke-Jr> ya
20:56 <spidey> i'll be getting that when they upgrade the plans out here
20:56 <Luke-Jr> cable never has even 1mbit up
20:56 <spidey> and when this other isp gets out here
20:56 <spidey> oh ya?
20:56 <spidey> what's that plan versizon has
20:56 <Luke-Jr> FIOS isn't cable
20:56 <spidey> 15mbit down and 2mbit up
20:56 <spidey> >.<
20:57 <spidey> anyways
20:57 <spidey> if it's unmetered it does :p
20:57 <Luke-Jr> TNA used to be pretty decent
20:57 <Luke-Jr> like Your_mom
20:57 <spidey> mom did something to?
20:57 <Luke-Jr> eh?
20:57 <spidey> [11:58] ( Luke-Jr ) TNA used to be pretty decent
20:57 <spidey> [11:58] ( Luke-Jr ) like Your_mom
20:57 <Luke-Jr> I mean in personality and player skillz
20:57 <spidey> oh
20:57 <Luke-Jr> now mom is much more technical, IMO
20:57 <Luke-Jr> and TNA just dumb
20:58 <Luke-Jr> wtf happened?
20:58 <spidey> haha
20:58 <spidey> he's said that tron wouldn't be shit without him inventing doublebinding
20:58 <spidey> which made me laugh :D
20:58 <Luke-Jr> rofl
20:59 <spidey> i only learned to doublebind 2months after i started playing
20:59 <spidey> and by then i was already good
20:59  * Luke-Jr should play well more often
20:59 <Luke-Jr> usually when I play, I don't do it seriously =p
20:59 <spidey> lol
20:59 <Luke-Jr> it got boring a number of months ago
21:00 <spidey> i've been playing a year
21:00 <spidey> the only thing i like anymore is fortress
21:00 <spidey> well
21:00 <spidey> a year aug. 21st
21:00 <Luke-Jr> I don't care for vanilla fortress
21:00 <spidey> i think
21:00 <wrtlprnft> what did tna want again?
21:00 <wrtlprnft> he woke me somehow
21:00 <Luke-Jr> just wild fortress, deathmatch, and sty variants
21:01 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: TNA is trying to get by not paying again
21:01 <spidey> i like wild fort
21:01 <spidey> but i lagg like hell there
21:01 <spidey> :(
21:01 <Luke-Jr> :/
21:04 <Luke-Jr> spidey: BTW, I hope you've started using your config files instead of just remote admin
21:04 <Luke-Jr> in case you haven't noticed, I do restart Arma servers when nobody's on them
21:04 <Luke-Jr> eg, for upgrades
21:05 <spidey> i always used the config files
21:05 <spidey> for anything i wanna keep
21:05 <spidey> for onetime settings i just remote admin
21:05 <Luke-Jr> o
21:05 <Luke-Jr> I noticed the other day, there was no shooting enabled
21:05 <spidey> ya i changed it to dogfighting
21:05 <Luke-Jr> o
21:06 <spidey> wrtlprnft did you make a deathzone on the u.s.fortress?
21:06 <Luke-Jr> do you still want the shooting server?
21:06 <spidey> yea,i'll use it sometimes
21:06 <Luke-Jr> ok
21:06 <wrtlprnft> spidey: no
21:06 <spidey> does it have respawning?
21:06 <spidey> hmm
21:06 <spidey> someone changed it to deathzone,lol
21:06 <wrtlprnft> i hate deathzones, they're so pointless
21:06 <spidey> unless they grow
21:06 <Luke-Jr> deathzones aren't useless!
21:07 <spidey> which i tried setting the expansion to 2
21:07 <Luke-Jr> pointless*
21:07 <spidey> but it kept reverting to 0
21:07 <spidey> i don't even have a everytime.cfg >.<
21:07 <Luke-Jr> O.o
21:07 <wrtlprnft> deathzones that appear randomly are useless
21:07 <Luke-Jr> maybe
21:07 <spidey> not if they have expansion
21:07 <spidey> it's like a timelimit
21:08 <Luke-Jr> arma supports time limits
21:08 <spidey> yes,but i'd rather watch someone slap a deathzone
21:08 <spidey> :p
21:08 <Luke-Jr> =p
21:08 <wrtlprnft> it would be better to spawn a zombie for everyone :P
21:08 <spidey> hmm
21:08 <spidey> but then you can't kill them
21:08 <spidey> wait
21:09 <spidey> Luke-Jr is there a way to make shots only work on zombies?
21:09 <Luke-Jr> spidey: I imagine so
21:09 <spidey> hm
21:09 <Luke-Jr> I can't say I have interest in doing it =p
21:09 <spidey> lol
21:09 <Luke-Jr> unless you make it sound fun maybe, but then I might not have the time either
21:10 <spidey> haha
21:10 <spidey> hmm
21:10 <wrtlprnft> Isn't it so much FUN to add yet another hack to gGame.cpp?
21:10 <spidey> Luke-Jr did you fix the logs?
21:10 <spidey> lol
21:10 <Luke-Jr> spidey: yes, now it only shows the last 5000 lines
21:10 <spidey> k
21:10 <Luke-Jr> who wants to split gGame.cpp??
21:11 <spidey> Luke-Jr is that the script or the actual log file doing that?
21:11 <Luke-Jr> I already have enough on my plate =p
21:11 <Luke-Jr> spidey: the script
21:11 <Luke-Jr> in fact
21:11 <wrtlprnft> what about renaming it to gRandomHacks.cpp?
21:11 <spidey> can you link log.txt to the www dir?
21:11 <Luke-Jr> I think I'm gonna set logs to append-only
21:11 <wrtlprnft> or gHacksGoHere.cpp
21:11 <spidey> i'ma make a admin panel for my site
21:12 <Luke-Jr> spidey: you can =p
21:12 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: that isn't splitting
21:12 <spidey> i thought it was in another dir?
21:12 <spidey> O.o
21:13 <Luke-Jr> no
21:13 <Luke-Jr> er
21:13 <Luke-Jr> so
21:13 <spidey> how do i password a file,like admin.php
21:13 <spidey> i know how to do dir's
21:14 <Luke-Jr> .htaccess
21:14 <Luke-Jr> oh
21:14 <Luke-Jr> no idea for just a file
21:15 <spidey> ick
21:15 <spidey> cat armagetron.log isn't smart >.<
21:16 <Luke-Jr> ?
21:16 <spidey> hmm
21:17 <Lucifer_arma> DrJoeTron: ?
21:18 <spidey> btw did you make SvcConfig readonly?
21:18 <DrJoeTron> ah nothin, luke told me to guess who jipped him out of money
21:18  * DrJoeTron was being cute :D
21:18 <spidey> haha
21:19 <Luke-Jr> someone please repeat for Luci that I am planning to tag a 0.3.0.1
21:19 <spidey> [12:20] ( Luke-Jr ) someone please repeat for Luci that I am planning to tag a 0.3.0.1
21:20 <spidey> awe
21:20 <spidey> i just thought of that
21:20 <spidey> i can't use php to edit bans from my webserver
21:20 <spidey> :(
21:20 <Lucifer_arma> what's wrong with forum posts?  are the forums down?
21:20 <spidey> lol
21:20 <spidey> Luke-Jr he said [12:21] ( Lucifer_arma ) what's wrong with forum posts? are the forums down?
21:21 <Lucifer_arma> <spidey> Luke-Jr he said [12:21] ( Lucifer_arma ) what's wrong with forum posts? are the forums down?  <--- spidey said that
21:21 <spidey> lol
21:23 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: IRC is realtime
21:23 <spidey> i'm not repeating it :p
21:24 <spidey> whoa O.o
21:24 <Luke-Jr> ...
21:24 <spidey> 12 bans on the server i get from you luke
21:24 <spidey> i don't remember doing 1 of them :s
21:24 <Luke-Jr> autobans?
21:24 <spidey> wouldn't they be removed?
21:24 <Luke-Jr> eventually?
21:24 <Luke-Jr> shrug
21:24 <Luke-Jr> I didn't write it =p
21:24 <spidey> O.o
21:25 <Luke-Jr> I just know autobans are annoying
21:25 <spidey> 12 password
21:25 <spidey> a bot made the highscores
21:25 <spidey> lol
21:26 <spidey> ok now to link all this crap that goes on the main page
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21:48 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/scores2.php
21:48 <spidey> right
21:48 <spidey> lol
21:49 <spidey> ok then >.<
21:51 <Luke-Jr> did 0.3.0 have the new spectator mode?
21:52 <spidey> new?
21:52 <spidey> you mean where you can still talk?
21:52 <Luke-Jr> ye
21:52 <Luke-Jr> s
21:52 <spidey> i would think so
21:52 <spidey> it came out in 2.8.something didn't iT?
21:53 <spidey> http://www.fallin-angels.com/ladder2.php
21:53 <spidey> yay for overflow: auto;
21:54 <Luke-Jr> spidey: no
21:54 <Luke-Jr> it didn't
22:01 <wrtlprnft> Your IP is :
22:01 <wrtlprnft> 85.233.38.240 
22:01 <wrtlprnft> And Is Being Logged 
22:01 <wrtlprnft> For Security Reasons.
22:01 <wrtlprnft> uhhh
22:01 <wrtlprnft> i'm scared.
22:02 <spidey> :p
22:02 <wrtlprnft> ahhh
22:02 <spidey> actually the webserver does the logging
22:03 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr put a memory log into the trunk
22:03 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/cockpit/cWidgetBase.cpp?r1=6032&r2=6031&pathrev=6032
22:04 <wrtlprnft> anyone who has anything that's publically available and doesn't keep logs should be shot
22:04 <DrJoeTron> anyone seen invader lately?
22:04 <wrtlprnft> #seen *invad*
22:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I haven't seen anyone matching *invad*.
22:27 <spidey> now i'm bored
22:27 <spidey> Luke-Jr can i redo your website? :D
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22:33 <Luke-Jr> spidey: why
22:34 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577B93EC.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
22:34 <spidey> Luke-Jr because i'm bored now
22:34 <spidey> :/
22:34 <Luke-Jr> spidey: but it's nice already ;p
22:34 <Luke-Jr> spidey: sure, use your webspace =p
22:34 <spidey> it's fugly
22:34 <Luke-Jr> it's simple and nice
22:34 <Luke-Jr> just lacks a menu of some sort
22:34 <spidey> fugly ;x
22:35 <spidey> ok,i'll make one and you decide if you like it? :p
22:35 <Luke-Jr> =p
22:35 <Luke-Jr> keep it simple tho =p
22:35 <Luke-Jr> I like simple
22:35 <spidey> simple is fugly
22:35 <spidey> >.<
22:36 <spidey> ok
22:36 <spidey> color scheme?
22:36 <spidey> or can i use black/gray
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> make it look like this:
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> http://www.davefancella.com/
22:37 <spidey> no comment
22:37 <spidey> ;x
22:37 <spidey> heeey
22:37 <spidey> i just noticed something
22:37 <spidey> my irc client isn't broken anymore
22:37 <spidey> Lucifer_arma do a /me action
22:37  * Lucifer_arma beats the living fuck out of spidey
22:37 <spidey> yay
22:40 <wrtlprnft> make it valid and don't use f*** tables where they shouldn't be used
22:40 <wrtlprnft> make it like the resource browser :P
22:40 <spidey> um
22:40 <spidey> my site doesn't have tables
22:40 <spidey> not one
22:40 <spidey> except for the forums
22:40 <Luke-Jr> spidey: webpages look better bright
22:40 <Luke-Jr> eg, white not black
22:40 <wrtlprnft> just to be sure
22:40 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: my site has a lot of correct-use tables
22:41 <spidey> so you want white with black text
22:41 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i don't mind those
22:41 <wrtlprnft> 22:40 <wrtlprnft> make it valid and don't use f*** tables where they shouldn't be used
22:41 <Luke-Jr> wasn't sure if you were implying something ;)
22:41 <spidey> wrtlprnft, i can do css more valid than i can tables :p
22:42 <spidey> anyways
22:42 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: i'm using tables in the map previewer
22:42  * spidey is busy
22:44 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: yeah?
22:44 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: BTW, I was pleased to notice the icons weren't a table ;p
22:44 <wrtlprnft> they aren't
22:44 <Luke-Jr> lots of people use tables for iconic layouts
22:44 <wrtlprnft> try to change the window size
22:44 <Luke-Jr> I know
22:44 <Luke-Jr> but finding that made me happy ;p
22:45 <wrtlprnft> it'll probably screw up badly in netscape 4 or IE5
22:45 <Luke-Jr> or netscape 3
22:45 <wrtlprnft> not even that. ie 5, 5.5, 6 all work
22:46 <wrtlprnft> netscape 3 can't even do any CSS I think
22:46 <Luke-Jr> nope
22:46 <Luke-Jr> but it was the last good netscape
22:46 <wrtlprnft> and as I'm using list and headings where appropiate it should still look fine
22:47 <Luke-Jr> brb
22:47 <wrtlprnft> http://operawatch.com/news/2006/08/opera-901-opera-is-moving-fast-?-really-fast.html <-- look at my comment to that, especially at the user agent above it
22:50 <Luke-Jr> The page you were looking for was not found.
22:50 <wrtlprnft> !
22:50 <wrtlprnft> http://tinyurl.com/hzpv2
22:51 <wrtlprnft> nvm
22:51 <wrtlprnft> not found either
22:51 <wrtlprnft> wtf
22:51 <wrtlprnft> there's an utf8 char in the URL
22:53 <Luke-Jr> lame =p
22:55 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/link.htm
22:55 <wrtlprnft> darn utf-8
22:59 <Luke-Jr> lame =p
23:00 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r6033 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/resource-browser/preview.php:
23:00 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
23:00 <armabot> armagetronad: Added scope tags to <th> elements to make the generated pages more accessible.
23:00 <armabot> armagetronad: Not that there would be a real benefit since the whole thing is about showing preview images of a 3D game, but well, maybe guru3 wants to have one of the pages read to him one day, he might benefit from it.
23:00 <wrtlprnft> if I'm already using tables :P
23:02 <guru3> making fun of me? :S
23:05 <Luke-Jr> lol
23:05 <Luke-Jr> someone go release 0.3.1
23:05 <Luke-Jr> =p
23:07 <wrtlprnft> guru3: no, but you're the only one related to arma I know using text- to- speech programs
23:08 <guru3> *groan*
23:10 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:10 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:30 <DrJoeTron> man, ive never had a sharpie burn my hand this much
23:30 <DrJoeTron> my dad must be lacing them with acid
23:31 <DrJoeTron> had to write a hex code and didnt have any paper :D
23:31 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6034 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: Fixed CYCLE_WALL_TIME in network games.
23:31 <DrJoeTron> #armaservers
23:31 <spidey> Luke-Jr
23:31 <spidey> before i keep going http://fallin-angels.com/spidey/test.php like it?
23:31 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11 players) || Tigers Network Classic Play (10 players) || ID TECH (7 players) || * * (7 players) || icemans network nuke zone - www.icemans.net (7 players) || Norm's Place (7 players) || ~"XzL. Clan Server (6 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (5 players) || sylvs tavern in 0.2.8.2 [armagetronad.de] (3 players) || Tigers (1 more message)
23:32 <spidey> #more -DrJoeTron
23:32 <armabot> spidey: Error: I haven't seen -DrJoeTron.
23:32 <spidey> #more DrJoeTron
23:32 <armabot> spidey: Network Speed Blast (2 players) || FCSS (1 players) || ATC Team (0 players) || {Accelerator's place} (jalsti.dyndns.org:4540) (0 players) || U.S.Fortress (0 players) || Lobster Cage Redux (0 players)
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r6035 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp:
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 6030 to 6034:
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad:  r6034 | z-man | 2006-08-08 23:32:43 +0200 (Tue, 08 Aug 2006) | 2 lines
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad:  Fixed CYCLE_WALL_TIME in network games.
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> damn.  The damn t2 article is like 2 articles intermingled so badly that it's going to be quite some work to get it in shape
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> but dammit I want it on newsforge!
23:43 <spidey> lol
23:56 <Luke-Jr> spidey: 
23:57 <spidey> me:
23:58 <Luke-Jr> the line is thru For More Information
23:58 <Luke-Jr> from an english perspective, too much is capitalized on the left
23:58 <Luke-Jr> describing is spelled like such =p
23:58 <spidey> >.<
23:58 <Luke-Jr> is "All Rates Are Subject  To Additional Charges" supposed to be "(subject to change)"?
23:59 <Luke-Jr> if so, all I mean by that is my prices might go up in the future =p
23:59 <Luke-Jr> the general design looks fine, tho

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