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Log from 2006-07-30:
--- Day changed Sun Jul 30 2006
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00:00 <Nixda531> boo... this looks like the same place
00:00 <wrtlprnft> yes
00:00 <wrtlprnft> now try /join #theladle again
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00:01  * luke-jr_ votes to ignore Lucifer_arma, especially since he's not involved in tValue stuff, and go on implementing a solution
00:01 <wrtlprnft> well
00:02 <wrtlprnft> can't we have both and see which one works better?
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00:02 <wrtlprnft> i'm sure luke-jr_'s thing will be more extensible to out needs in the future
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00:02 <Vanhayes> Legit: are you team leader for LOL?
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_ wouldn't know extensible if it fell out of the sky, landed on his head and started wiggling
00:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
00:02 <Legit> no, durka might not be here he told us
00:03 -!- PsYkO [n=0cb5e405@h10487.serverkompetenz.net] has joined #armagetron
00:03 <Legit> so idk whats goin on
00:03 <Vanhayes> psyko and legit got to #theladle instead
00:03 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, one trouble i have myself with extending mathexpr is that it's even harder to read than most plain C code I've seen
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> pval is used form within RFunction
00:03 <wrtlprnft> not the interface, the actual parsing code
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> which is a little wrong to me, there should be a getter instead
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> yes, I'm reading through it right now, and it's a pain
00:03 <spidey> hmm
00:03 <PsYkO> hayes
00:04 <Vanhayes> ?
00:04 <PsYkO> can you make me some soup please
00:04 <PsYkO> im sick :(
00:04 <wrtlprnft> PsYkO: type /join #theladle
00:04 <Lackadaisical> he's there
00:04 <Lucifer_arma> heh, he's [sick]PsYk0
00:04 <wrtlprnft> oh, nvm
00:04 <wrtlprnft> i'm getting [sick] of switching channels
00:05 <wrtlprnft> how does splitscreen work in IRSSI again? :S
00:05 <Vanhayes> legit are you there?
00:05 <Legit> ya
00:05 <Vanhayes> join #theladle
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00:06 <Vanhayes> thats where all the teams are
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00:06 <wrtlprnft> lol
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00:06 <Legit> vanhayes?
00:06 <Legit> idk what ur talkin about i never dun this
00:07 <[Van]hayes> legit are you using the wiki interface?
00:07 <Legit> lol
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00:07 <luke-jr_> we have a wiki interface to here?
00:07 <wrtlprnft> no
00:07 <[Van]hayes> joda made it
00:07 <[Van]hayes> er
00:07 <wrtlprnft> but a link to one
00:07 <[Van]hayes> ya
00:07 <wrtlprnft> from the wiki
00:07 <wrtlprnft> it's a CGI::IRC thing
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00:08 <luke-jr_> hm
00:08 <luke-jr_> that explains the more ppl here lately
00:08 <Lucifer_arma>   *(*ppvar)->pval=x;  // Warning : could cause trouble if this value is used in a parallel process
00:08 <Lucifer_arma>   y=op.Val();
00:08 <Lucifer_arma>   *(*ppvar)->pval=xb;
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> that's the problem
00:08 <Lucifer_arma> RFunction changes the value of the RVal
00:08 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: all the ones with serverkompetenz in their hostnames
00:08 <Legit> brb
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00:09 <[Van]hayes> legit go back to the wiki link http://www.armagetron.nixda.net/cgi-bin/irc.cgi?adv=1) and instead of Channel #armagetron choose #theladle
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00:09 <[Van]hayes> argh
00:09 <[Van]hayes> legit go back to the wiki link http://www.armagetron.nixda.net/cgi-bin/irc.cgi?adv=1) and instead of Channel #armagetron choose #theladle
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00:09 <titsnass> yo
00:09 <titsnass> wasup
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00:09 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know how much recoding would be required to fix it, but the first thing I'd do is reformat the whole file so it can be read
00:09 <Legit> ok
00:09 <Legit> i went in there
00:10 <titsnass> what do you need help with legit?
00:10 <[Van]hayes> Legit: er are you the only one there?
00:10 <Legit> yes
00:10 <Legit> it disconnected me also
00:10 <[Van]hayes> lol join #theladle
00:10 <[Van]hayes> it should be an option 
00:11 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: or we can just write a proper parser, like I did with tCodeParser
00:11 <titsnass> join the irc chat?
00:11 <Legit> i did
00:11 <titsnass> use a irc client instead
00:11 <titsnass> of this 
00:11 <Legit> im only one in there
00:11 <luke-jr_> (note the parser is done)
00:11 <titsnass> -_-
00:11 <Legit> brb
00:11 <titsnass> legit..
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00:11 <titsnass> what do u want me here for
00:12  * Lucifer_arma notes that luke-jr_'s parser is going to be as much a pain as his tResourceManager, and everytime someone asks how to use it he's going to bitch at them
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> and that, by itself, is reason enough to reject it
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00:12 <wrtlprnft> i can't imagine something being much more unreadable than mathexpr
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't matter how good his parser is, and how fast it is, because in the end what matters is that luke-jr_ is going to chew every ass that comes along wanting to use it
00:13 <Lucifer_arma> and that's not acceptable
00:13 <wrtlprnft> I wanna see how well the reordering and restructuring works :)
00:13  * luke-jr_ thinks Lucifer_arma just has a bad case of NotInventedByLuke
00:14  * Lucifer_arma thinks luke-jr_ is just ignoring facts again
00:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: if you don't like the resource manager, write an alternative interface to it instead of whining
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> why can't I just extend the resource manager?
00:17 <luke-jr_> same thing
00:17 <Lucifer_arma> not that that's the problem,t he problem is your reaction when I came here asking for help with it
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> it's a fact that every time someone tries to use code that you wrote, you bitch at them
00:18 <luke-jr_> prove it
00:18 <Lucifer_arma> no
00:19 <luke-jr_> I didn't expect you to
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> of course not
00:19  * wrtlprnft is too new on this team to have tried to use luke-jr_'s code directly
00:19 <luke-jr_> mainly because you can't prove something false
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> mainly because you won't prove anything yourself
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> why should I give you the respect that you won't give to .. anyone?
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> I asked what you want out of this expression parser, and you didn't tell me.  I asked directly for a clear and concise answer that tells me what you want.
00:20 <Lucifer_arma> you gave me reasons you don't like mathexpr as an answer
00:20 <z-man> Hey, the Ger-USA match wasn't a total desaster, we even managed to get even teams :)
00:20 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: the resource manager is plain C and has more or less a single external call
00:20 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: no, I told you to read the posts I made on the topic
00:20 <luke-jr_> since they talk about what it needs to do
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> umm, no they don't
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> maybe you need to go reread them
00:21 <luke-jr_> maybe
00:21 <[wtf]spidey> mkzelda!
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> the thread you driected me too contains all fighting about whehter or not to build a scripting language
00:21 <Lucifer_arma> all the other threads on the topic talk about function parsing and using functions for values in maps
00:21 <luke-jr_> that's not the initial post
00:22  * wrtlprnft refers to #realchatlogs too, if anyone has the patience to download that
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> no, the initial post is the one that says "NotInventedByLuke"
00:22 <luke-jr_> Note when people say "function", they don't mean "math function"
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> in this context, that's what it means, because that's what we've been talking about from the very beginning
00:22 <wrtlprnft> not if they're programmers
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00:22 <Compn1> yo
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> back when it was just my and wrtlprnft dreaming about it
00:22 <Lucifer_arma> *me
00:23 <wrtlprnft> for me a function is something that takes any number of arguments and returns something based on them
00:23 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: did you ever restrict your functions to math functions?
00:23 <wrtlprnft> no
00:23 <Lucifer_arma> well, when I said way back when "it would be nice if it took real math functions, not c functions", I think I made it pretty clear what we were talking about
00:23  * Lucifer_arma notes this is a conversation we've been having off and on for several months now
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00:24 <wrtlprnft> about math functions?
00:24 <wrtlprnft> hi ghableska 
00:24 <ghableska> hello wrtlprnft
00:24 <Lucifer_arma> about putting math functions in maps
00:24 <wrtlprnft> if you're in the ladle join #theladle
00:24 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: math functions are a subset of code functions
00:24 <luke-jr_> supporting the latter includes the former
00:24 <wrtlprnft> i always meant math expressions
00:25 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: if you're in the ladle join #theladle
00:25 <ghableska> wrtlprnft: I'm not 
00:25 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
00:25 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: discluding non-math functions?
00:25 <WS_manta> mkzelda: are you here? we need you on US fortress
00:25 <Lucifer_arma> #dict discluding
00:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: No definition for "discluding" could be found.
00:25 <wrtlprnft> just wondered because you haven't been here for weeks and the ladle is going on right now
00:26 <luke-jr_> math functions will be supported in any case-- but they're not *all* that we need
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> why won't you tell me *all* that you need?
00:26 <wrtlprnft> i basically wanted to allow the user to specify any expression
00:26 <Lucifer_arma> in other words, tell me how much you've feature-creeped thist hing
00:26 <wrtlprnft> and use ingame variables for them
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00:27 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: a zone that's size is determined by the distance of the closest and furthest player alive
00:27 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: there's an example
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> if that's all you want, you don't need an expression parser to get it
00:27 <Lucifer_arma> you can just hack the source directly to get it
00:27 <wrtlprnft> and for getting ingame data it's pretty annoying to be limited to functions with one parameter
00:28 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: content designers need to be able to use it via a string
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> radius="closestplayer"  <-- now you have a string
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> why do I ask for "all" and luke-jr_ gives me "one"?
00:28 <wrtlprnft> he gave you an example
00:28 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't ask for an example
00:28 <luke-jr_> an example covering most of that all
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> why won't you tell me *all* that you need?
00:29 <wrtlprnft> of course he doesn't wanna add a vaiable named distanceofclosestandfarthestplayer
00:29 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I learn by example, so I teach by example by default
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> I asked for a specification, essentially
00:29 <Lucifer_arma> go write it up on the wiki if you need lots of room
00:30 <wrtlprnft> i really need to go to bed now, cya
00:30 <Lucifer_arma>  because at this point, only a specification is going to work out the argument you and wrtlprnft were having to begin with
00:30 <luke-jr_> why waste time writing a requirement spec when I could implement it in half the time>?
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> so you see, I was actually trying to help
00:30 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: the argument we were having was primarily between efficiency
00:30 <Lucifer_arma> fine, don't "waste time writing a spec".  Instead, "waste time writing something that probably doesn't do what most other people want"
00:31  * wrtlprnft is helping by removing one discussion factor and hoping this discussion will come to an end, whatever result it'll be
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> just write a spec?  Is that so hard to do?
00:31 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: in English, yes
00:31 <wrtlprnft> write it in C
00:31 <luke-jr_> I'm writing it in C++ ;p
00:31 <Lucifer_arma> if I have to give all the reasons you should write a spec to a so-called contract programmer, then I've got to wonder how you got your job
00:34 <luke-jr_> I'll consider it if you give me *one* reason why you need to understand
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> if I have to give all the reasons you should write a spec to a so-called contract programmer, then I've got to wonder how you got your job
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> if I have to give all the reasons you should write a spec to a so-called contract programmer, then I've got to wonder how you got your job
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> if I have to give all the reasons you should write a spec to a so-called contract programmer, then I've got to wonder how you got your job
00:34 <Lucifer_arma> can't you fucking read?
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not asking because I "need to understand", I'm asking because you don't know what you want
00:35 <luke-jr_> I do. You don't.
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> and that's all I'm going to say about it
00:35 <luke-jr_> wrtl does.
00:35 <Lucifer_arma> because YOU are not worth my time
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00:35 <Lucifer_arma>  /ignore luke-jr_ 
00:35 <DrJoeTron> herro
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00:42 <luke-jr_> z-man: ping
00:43 <z-man> can't pong, trying to watch over ladle matches
00:43 <luke-jr_> aww
00:43 <luke-jr_> z-man: when you get a chance, can you help me add a file to tools/?
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00:51 <[wtf]spidey> mkzelda, ?
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02:12 <Vanhayes> wow I didnt even see ghab here
02:15 <Vanhayes> #later tell ghableska Vanhayes said hello
02:15 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
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02:36 <Lackadaisical> #list
02:36 <armabot> Lackadaisical: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
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03:33 <[wtf]spidey> HMM
03:33 <[wtf]spidey> -cap
03:33 <[wtf]spidey> subspace is kinda fun
03:33 <[wtf]spidey> >.<
03:35 <Vanhayes> is subspace a space game?
03:38 <Vanhayes> that is also called continueum or something like that?
03:40 <mkzelda> What is more offensive, flipping the bird or yelling mother fucker?
03:41 <Vanhayes> yelling mother fucker
03:41 <Vanhayes> while fliping the bird
03:46 <[wtf]spidey> yes hayes
03:46 <Vanhayes> Ya ive played that one its fun
03:50 <[wtf]spidey> you still got it?
03:51 <Vanhayes> I dont think so
03:51 <Vanhayes> maybe
03:52 <[wtf]spidey> haha i suck at this thing
03:59 <[wtf]spidey> i think i found a second home
03:59 <[wtf]spidey> ;x
04:00 <Vanhayes> Its harder than it looks
04:11 <[wtf]spidey> nah
04:11 <[wtf]spidey> it's pretty fun
04:13 <[wtf]spidey> lahl someone called djsexiboi tried to add me to msn
04:13 <[wtf]spidey> >.<
04:17  * manta wonders whew spidey hangs out to find such interesting friends
04:21 <[wtf]spidey> hmm
04:21 <[wtf]spidey> his nick was C-Dawg
04:22 <[wtf]spidey> http://www.sscentral.com/index/
04:22 <[wtf]spidey> ;x
04:49 <[wtf]spidey> #night
04:49 <armabot> Good night [wtf]spidey!
04:50 <manta> gnight
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05:06 <luke-jr_> Your_mom_arma: gm
05:10 <Your_mom_arma> gm
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06:34 <Lucifer_arma> #g 13,455,046,016 bytes in GB
06:34 <armabot> 13,455,046,016 bytes = 12.5309881 gigabytes
06:42 <luke-jr_> #g 1 YB in bytes
06:42 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
06:42 <luke-jr_> lame
06:42 <luke-jr_> #g 1 TB in bytes
06:42 <armabot> 1 terabyte = 1,099,511,627,776 bytes
06:42 <luke-jr_> ook, at least it  got that
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06:47 <DrJoeTron> any one want a peice of shit mouse let me know
06:48 <DrJoeTron> with keyboard probably
06:48 <DrJoeTron> wireless
06:51 <DrJoeTron> they both suck
07:02 <Your_mom_arma> warsow is kind of a combo of quake and unreal done bad
07:02  * Your_mom_arma finishes match
07:02 <DrJoeTron> sounds like a custom counterstrike server
07:02 <Your_mom_arma> kind of
07:03 <DrJoeTron> ever check out warrock?
07:03 <Your_mom_arma> nope
07:03 <DrJoeTron> its like bf2 for the person who doesnt want to pay for bf2
07:03 <DrJoeTron> in fact thats exactly what it is
07:03 <DrJoeTron> its open beta right now
07:03 <DrJoeTron> and its gonna be free forever
07:04 <DrJoeTron> www.warrock.net
07:04 <DrJoeTron> well, pseudo open
07:04 <DrJoeTron> you still have to rigster
07:04 <DrJoeTron> register*
07:05 <Your_mom_arma> is it worth registering?
07:08  * Your_mom_arma bookmarks for later
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07:20 <DrJoeTron> i have fun with it
07:20 <DrJoeTron> grnted i have bf2
07:20 <DrJoeTron> it has its problems
07:20 <DrJoeTron> being a beta
07:20 <DrJoeTron> like sometimes it will just crash
07:20 <DrJoeTron> it hasnt done that to me in a while
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07:46 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: to add a file to tools you have to put it into libtools_a_SOURCES in src/Makefile.am
07:47  * wrtlprnft will be away all day, just looked into the channel
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08:42 <DrJoeTron> balls is confusing you for oscilloscope
08:42 <Your_mom_arma> why?
08:43 <DrJoeTron> fuck if i know
09:54 <guru3> woo
09:54 <guru3> i've haxxed the forums
09:54 <guru3> to disable automatically :)
09:56 <guru3> l8rs
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10:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back!  *kiss*
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> #seen GodTodd
10:52 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: GodTodd was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 1 second ago: <GodTodd> k...think i just did the checkout
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11:23 <Your_mom_arma> hey philippeqc
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11:41 <philippeqc> hi
11:42 <philippeqc> hi Your_mom_arma 
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12:26 <DrJoeTron> man
12:30 <philippeqc> ?
12:48 <DrJoeTron> so many angry players
12:48 <DrJoeTron> i should really talk to some of my moderators
12:48 <DrJoeTron> or post a caution
12:48 <DrJoeTron> like
12:51 <DrJoeTron> Admin: There are over 15 Moderators for this server. Each have a general but different opinion on what is right.
12:58 <DrJoeTron> i dont know i need to rephrase that better
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13:01 <philippeqc> what server
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13:11 <DrJoeTron> for me?
13:11 <DrJoeTron> Lobster Cage
13:11 <DrJoeTron> im starting to get flack because some players think im kicking them or other stuff
13:11 <DrJoeTron> or they think im killing players because they are winning
13:12 <DrJoeTron> which is all coinsidental
13:12 <DrJoeTron> since none of my mods have ever done that.
13:14 <DrJoeTron> and since my mods set rules are purely based on judgement "if players are doing something you dont see fit, do what you see fit to them"
13:14 <DrJoeTron> my "Kick Jerks" Policy
13:20 <philippeqc> its easy how a mentality on a server can drift into constant whine and complains
13:20 <philippeqc> and then moderators have only a few crude tools
13:21 <philippeqc> its talk to them, kick them, ban them
13:21 <DrJoeTron> yeah exactly
13:21 <DrJoeTron> got it
13:21 <philippeqc> we would need yellow and red cards. We would need "penalty, 30 sec for bad language".
13:22 <DrJoeTron> "Admin: There Are Over 15 Different Moderators for this server.
13:22 <DrJoeTron> Admin: Sime are nicer than me, some are not.
13:22 <guru3> lol
13:22 <DrJoeTron> Admin You've been warned. ;D
13:22 <philippeqc> yep
13:22 <DrJoeTron> how does that sound?
13:23 <philippeqc> I'd like language filter. Not just "30 sec penalty for saying suck" but "45 sec penalty for saying trying to go around the filter by saying sukc"
13:23 <philippeqc> its  a good start
13:23 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:24 <DrJoeTron> or going omfg laggggggg
13:24 <DrJoeTron> any more than 1 g
13:24 <philippeqc> yep
13:24 <DrJoeTron> or more than two exclamation points
13:24 <philippeqc> lol, just saying lag should give you 15 sec penalty
13:24 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
13:24 <philippeqc> and be filtered by the server
13:24 <DrJoeTron> my policy was "whoever says lag, gets killed for the next 5 rounds
13:25 <guru3> lol
13:25 <philippeqc> lol that is too harsh
13:25 <DrJoeTron> not when thats all you heard every round
13:25 <DrJoeTron> at that time, it wasnt enough ;p
13:25 <DrJoeTron> yeah i admit, i can be a big jerk 
13:25 <guru3> it's conditioning
13:26 <DrJoeTron> if i dont like your tone, i get rid of you
13:26 <DrJoeTron> or the rim huggers, i just crank the accel_rim to 10000
13:26 <philippeqc> I think we would need a penalty seat. get forced kick to spectator for the duration. 
13:26 <philippeqc> just like hockey
13:26 <DrJoeTron> yeah!
13:26 <DrJoeTron> thats a great idea
13:27 <philippeqc> and a powerfull "good manner engine"
13:27 <DrJoeTron> and lets make it so spectators could NEVER vote kick
13:27 <philippeqc> yes
13:28 <philippeqc> meditate on that, and make a proposal on the forum
13:29 <DrJoeTron> haha 
13:30 <DrJoeTron> i can see people getting drunk with mad power
13:30 <DrJoeTron> with that engine
13:30 <DrJoeTron> lets take Louven for example
13:30 <DrJoeTron> he can be a stickler for propper grammar
13:30 <philippeqc> like what? "making swearing dissapear and create a positive atmosphere on their server" type of mad power?
13:31 <guru3> i was considering adding a word filter at one point
13:31 <philippeqc> you can say what you want about mbc, but their constant "no bad language" rule has created quite a positive atmosphere on their server.
13:32 <philippeqc> and server accepting it tend to spiral to "kick the newbies" fest, constant whining exchanges.
13:32 <philippeqc> guru3: add a penalty box mode (like spectator,  but without the voting)
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13:33 <DrJoeTron> like "typing "ur" instead of "your" or "you're" and being silenced" like "GME: Player: Dr Joe Tron said "ur" Penalty Box for 2 rounds. Learn To Type!
13:33 <philippeqc> add to that that the server never relays your message when you trigger a rule
13:34 <philippeqc> DrJoeTron: there is a thing called balance. if you set up a good set of server rules, some players will leave. If you push too hard on the rules, all the players will leave
13:34 <DrJoeTron> exactly
13:34 <philippeqc> some players will stay there and enjoy a perfect grammar world
13:34 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:34 <philippeqc> but you will not be forced to play there
13:34 <DrJoeTron> this is true
13:35 <DrJoeTron> I think this is a fantastic idea
13:35 <DrJoeTron> but i think i would just get rid of annoying slang
13:35 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5866 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gParser.cpp zone/zEffector.cpp zone/zEffector.h): Basis for having effect give text message. I cant make them accept parameters so temporary disabled
13:35 <philippeqc> then you would create an associated effect
13:35 <DrJoeTron> and oh! how about at least a warning method
13:36 <philippeqc> you can give 5 sec penalty too
13:36 <DrJoeTron> like Player: philippeqc said "booger". Watch your tone!
13:36 <philippeqc> or yellow card
13:37 <DrJoeTron> racials slurs = instaban
13:37 <philippeqc> moderators could trigger warning and penalties
13:37 <DrJoeTron> i personally would have a pretty leniant filter
13:37 <DrJoeTron> since i swear quite alot, but not at people ever.
13:37 <philippeqc> I'm sure if offences pivot around 15 sec, and bigger ones at 30, that will have the desired effect.
13:38 <DrJoeTron> i like it.
13:38 <philippeqc> just think up what else you would need, and then post it on the forum
13:38 <DrJoeTron> i will.
13:38 <philippeqc> this is really not the type of thing that I'm good at
13:38 <philippeqc> so I'll pass.
13:38 <philippeqc> ;)
13:39 <DrJoeTron> il probably post this in the next 20 minutes. I'll type it out so its a bit well thought out.
13:39 <philippeqc> ok
13:41 <DrJoeTron> what would this be classifyed under, out of curiousity
13:41 <DrJoeTron> Development? or add ons?
13:41 <philippeqc> server admin?
13:41 <DrJoeTron> good place
13:41 <philippeqc> or dev 
13:41 <philippeqc> yep
13:41 <DrJoeTron> id say dev's
13:42 <philippeqc> I'd start by bouncing it off a few admin first
13:42 <philippeqc> collect ideas
13:42 <philippeqc> correct some
13:42 <DrJoeTron> ok
13:43 <DrJoeTron> alright, convo copied
13:50 <DrJoeTron> ah, i love spanish ska :D
13:51 <DrJoeTron> they do it so much better than america ever has.
13:51 <DrJoeTron> all of our ska bands stink
13:53 <DrJoeTron> ok so,
13:54 <DrJoeTron> do we want this to be automated?
13:54 <philippeqc> yes
13:54 <Your_mom_arma> skas slogan - its punk... with horns!
13:54 <philippeqc> or admin will have to be all the time giving 15 secs here and there
13:59 <philippeqc> zones can change settings now ;)
14:00 <Your_mom_arma> Awesome
14:00 <philippeqc> they also support "description" or text put on the console
14:01 <Your_mom_arma> philippeqc: did you check out this post http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=6661
14:01 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r5867 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Zone effect can set settings
14:01 <philippeqc> but after 2 days effort, I still cant have them take a string "\1 received \2 points for reason that he is soo leet" 
14:01 <philippeqc> and replace \1 with the name and \2 with the numbers of point
14:02 <philippeqc> yes, I like it
14:02 <DrJoeTron> hmmm...shit, time to crack out the thesaurus
14:02 <DrJoeTron> i cant think of a word
14:03 <DrJoeTron> there we go
14:03 <DrJoeTron> overbearing
14:04 <DrJoeTron> thats the word i wanted.
14:04 <DrJoeTron> I'll show you what i have written. in a second. but i've summed it pretty well.
14:04 <DrJoeTron> so far
14:04 <DrJoeTron> for being up since 11pm
14:04 <philippeqc> Your_mom_arma: map to support spawn description is somewhat easy. but to associated between what the map identify as a player and what the game identify as a player is something else
14:05 <philippeqc> you have given 4 different such association. 
14:05 <philippeqc> for me that is "team code", ie: how do you build a team and a round. Joda has a bit started on that. He should be done with his thesis in ~2 weeks
14:09 <DrJoeTron> alright, i made it pretty basic
14:15 <DrJoeTron> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=78921#78921
14:16 <guru3> wha
14:16 <guru3> i said 2 lines
14:16 <guru3> how is that a conversation
14:16 <DrJoeTron> you would have gotten credit if you had said one line
14:17 <guru3> ><
14:17 <[wtf]spidey> <>
14:17 <DrJoeTron> its not like your lines were "yo mom, ya get that thing i sent ya?"
14:17 -!- [wtf]spidey is now known as spidey
14:17 <DrJoeTron> you contributed either way
14:17 <guru3> ok ><
14:17 <DrJoeTron> take credit where credit is due
14:17 <DrJoeTron> "D
14:20 <Your_mom_arma> haha
14:21  * spidey trips mommy
14:24 <Your_mom_arma> whether not weather
14:24 <DrJoeTron> yeah i fixed one of them
14:24 <DrJoeTron> i though i deleted it
14:24 <DrJoeTron> :/
14:25 <Your_mom_arma> #dict wether
14:25 <armabot> Your_mom_arma: wn, gcide, and bouvier responded: wn: wether n : male sheep especially a castrated one; bouvier: WETHER. A castrated ram, at least one year old in ark indictment it may be called a sheep. 4 Car. & Payne, 216; 19 Eng. Com. Law Rep. 351; gcide: Wether \Weth"er\, n. [OE. wether, AS. we[eth]er; akin to OS. wethar, withar, a ram, D. weder, G. widder, OHG. widar, Icel. (1 more message)
14:25 <Your_mom_arma> classy
14:26 <Your_mom_arma> misspell it as the castrated sheep it'll make it more interesting
14:26 <spidey> #check wether
14:26 <armabot> spidey: Possible spellings for "wether": weather, whether, wither, wet her, wet-her, whither, ether, withe, aether, nether, tether, wetter, and worthier.
14:26 <spidey> ;x
14:26 <DrJoeTron> i had it as whether
14:26 <spidey> "wet her"
14:27 <spidey> lol
14:27 <DrJoeTron> but dictionary.com said it wasnt a real word
14:27 <DrJoeTron> for some odd reason
14:27 <DrJoeTron> maybe cause i typed it wrong or something
14:27 <Your_mom_arma> whither (wandering) whether(subjective) weather (spluh) wether (castrated sheep)
14:27 <spidey> i love how ares takes 3 hours to hash 50gigs
14:28 <spidey> i got 70 movies ;x
14:28 <Your_mom_arma> have
14:28 <spidey> got!
14:29 <Your_mom_arma> have gotten?
14:29 <spidey> i'm country so your spelling and english rules don't apply to me
14:29 <spidey> ;x
14:30 <philippeqc> did you receive 70 movies, or where you in the possession of them before the operation
14:30 <spidey> i downloaded them O.o
14:30 <philippeqc> see how you excuse allow you for bad language is swallow and lead to miscomprehension
14:31 <spidey> repeat that in broken english plzkthnx ;x
14:31 <spidey> 2 hours!
14:32 <philippeqc> it aint not good like aboot the when you say that you like say that its like man like right to like  talk like a red'nek
14:33 <philippeqc> I'm from quebec, should I speak french and expect you to understand?
14:33 <philippeqc> you are after all a superior american. that should be a problem for you
14:34 <spidey> try it ;x
14:34 <philippeqc> j'ai rein a dire pour l'instant
14:34 <spidey> lol
14:34 <philippeqc> mais ca n'empeche pas que je trouve ca poche quand le monde se donne des excuses pour justifier leur mediocrite.
14:35 <spidey> what's mediocrity mean
14:35 <spidey> O.o
14:36  * Your_mom_arma hands you #dict
14:36 <spidey> #dict mediocrity
14:36 <spidey> ;
14:36 <spidey> ;x
14:36 <armabot> spidey: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: mediocrity n 1: ordinariness as a consequence of being average and not outstanding [syn: {averageness}] 2: a person of second-rate ability or value; "a team of aging second-raters"; "shone among the mediocrities who surrounded him" [syn: {second-rater}]; gcide: Mediocrity \Me`di*oc"ri*ty\, n. [F. m['e]diocrit['e], L. mediocritas.] [1913 (6 more messages)
14:37 <DrJoeTron> ok ok zman brings up some good points
14:37 <spidey> ?
14:37 <DrJoeTron> hey, whats the deal witht he character map
14:37 <DrJoeTron> can you edit that server side?
14:37 <DrJoeTron> at all?
14:37 <DrJoeTron> like take out words :p
14:37 <DrJoeTron> erm...characters
14:37 <spidey> asciii ?
14:38 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
14:38 <spidey> i saw something about it in the source
14:38 <spidey> was looking for something else i didn't find >.<
14:38 <DrJoeTron> hmm
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14:41 <Your_mom_arma> just  bug zman till you can add something like /admin force_quiet_1 100 to your instachat
14:41 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
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14:46 <DrJoeTron> bbl
14:47  * Your_mom_arma notes that out of 1092 registed forum members ~450 have 2 or more posts
14:47 <spidey> i'm one of the other ones :-s
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16:35 <madmax|pt> hello
16:35 <DrJoeTron> hey there
16:35 <DrJoeTron> and good bye "D
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18:12  * spidey slaps Compn
18:14  * Vanhayes slaps spidey and goes off to paint again
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18:27 <spidey> #seen ghableska
18:27 <armabot> spidey: ghableska was last seen in #armagetron 18 hours, 1 minute, and 44 seconds ago: <ghableska> wrtlprnft: I'm not
18:27  * spidey goes play halo
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19:00 <spidey> 1330 ping O.O
19:00 <ghableska> :O
19:00 <spidey> heh
19:04 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: lol
19:05 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: you were demanding C++ from me, yet tValue has at least 2 cases of C instead of C++ =p
19:19 <Your_mom_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Zones_v2
19:22 <luke-jr_> hehe... I looked at that and saw "wikipedia" and was like "wtf? Zones v2 on wikipedia?" =p
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20:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org/~pso/DSC01384.jpg
20:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how old would anyone guess the girl on the pic?
20:39 <spidey> 50
20:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ha ha
20:39 <[Xpert]DarkStar> honestly?
20:40 <spidey> no, but at first look that's what i thought
20:40 <spidey> ;D
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20:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so what u think?
20:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hi lizzy
20:40 <spidey> when it was first loading i thought the boy was the girl >.<
20:40 <linuxlizzard> hi :)
20:40 <spidey> hi
20:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> linuxlizzard: http://xpert-darkstar.is-a-geek.org/~pso/DSC01384.jpg
20:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how old u think the girl on the pic is?
20:41 <spidey> [Xpert]DarkStar, is the dude you?
20:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
20:41 <spidey> i love you man ;x
20:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :P
20:42 <linuxlizzard> hmm do I have to guess :P
20:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yes
20:42 <spidey> but...i love Vanhayes more
20:42 <linuxlizzard> idk...
20:42 <linuxlizzard> I'll go for... 
20:42 <spidey> 17?
20:42 <linuxlizzard> ya thats about it
20:43 <linuxlizzard> but I know its wrong
20:43 <linuxlizzard> ;)
20:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> she's 15
20:43 <linuxlizzard> haha
20:43 <luke-jr_> 5?
20:43 <linuxlizzard> lol
20:43 <spidey> well
20:43 <spidey> i said 50 first
20:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> luke-jr_: ha ha
20:44 <spidey> so i feel sorry for her when she turns 50 ;s
20:44 <linuxlizzard> lol
20:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> how old would you guess i am? (the guy on the very same pic :P)
20:44 <spidey> 10?
20:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ha ha ha
20:44 <spidey> :)
20:45 <spidey> oh sorry
20:45 <spidey> i forgot you're 9 and luke-jr_ is 10
20:45 <spidey> ;x
20:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> luke-jr_ is 3
20:45 <spidey> go back to your corner young man!
20:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> linuxlizzard: what do you think about my age?
20:46 <linuxlizzard> eh, we'll say 16
20:46 <linuxlizzard> because I can
20:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> again wrong
20:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> again off by 2 years
20:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but this time
20:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in the other direction
20:47 <spidey> YOUR 14!?!?!?!
20:47 <spidey> you're
20:47 <spidey> !
20:47 <linuxlizzard> hehe
20:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in the other direction
20:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ie
20:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> up
20:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> so i am 18
20:47 <spidey> where's ya facial hair man >.<
20:47 <linuxlizzard> hehe
20:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> finally dinner time
20:48 <[Xpert]DarkStar> cyall later
20:48 <linuxlizzard> kk
20:48 <spidey> die!
20:48 <linuxlizzard> :)
20:48 <spidey> choke on a carrot
20:48 <spidey> ;x
20:49 <luke-jr_> I'm 21
20:49 <luke-jr_> spidey was half the correct values :p
20:50 <linuxlizzard> hah
20:50 <spidey> you're 5?
20:55 <Vanhayes> #g 21/2
20:55 <armabot> 21 / 2 = 10.5
20:55 <Vanhayes> thats for you spidey 
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21:26 <spidey> Vanhayes, shut it and get back to painting
21:26 <ghableska> o.0
21:26  * Vanhayes is done painting for the day
21:26 <Vanhayes> hello ghableska 
21:26 <ghableska> hi Vanhayes
21:26 <ghableska> painting what?
21:27 <Vanhayes> my house
21:27 <ghableska> are you all covered in paint now?
21:27 <Vanhayes> well the tops of my house today
21:27 <Vanhayes> not anymore
21:27 <ghableska> oh, lol
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21:50 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
21:50 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
22:29 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: i know, both Condition and Math should have separate subclasses, that would even be more efficient
22:29 <wrtlprnft> i was mentally sleeping when programming that i guess. Change it if you like.
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22:35 <wrtlprnft> neat lagometers meriton has there
22:39 <spidey> ?
22:41 <wrtlprnft> spidey: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=79081#79081
22:43 <wrtlprnft> hmm, in that patch meriton introduces yet another color class :(
22:44 <spidey> i'm starting to get annoyed >.<
22:44 <wrtlprnft> now we have his Colour, gRealColor, rColor and tColor
22:44 <wrtlprnft> spidey: ?
22:44 <spidey> i've got 1 cigarette left, i had 3, 2 days ago
22:44 <wrtlprnft> quit smoking
22:44 <spidey> i ask my grandma to get me a pack yesterday, she brings me something from mcdonalds
22:44 <spidey> i ask today she brings me something from KFC >.<
22:45 <spidey> you quit smoking
22:45 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:45 <wrtlprnft> i never smoked
22:45 <wrtlprnft> which is the best thing anyways
22:45 <spidey> good then you'll live longer than me
22:45 <spidey> now shush
22:46 <wrtlprnft>     // z-man: HUH? I don't understand the code above any more and it seems to be leaky.
22:46 <wrtlprnft> (follows some commented out code
22:46 <wrtlprnft> )
22:47 <wrtlprnft> a nice codebase we have ;)
22:47 <spidey> ??
22:47 <nemostultae> What the heck is CYCLE_BLINK_FREQUENCY?
22:47 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: for invoulnerable cycle
22:47 <spidey> the respawn thing?
22:47 <wrtlprnft> s
22:47 <nemostultae> ahh, yes.
22:47 <wrtlprnft> ah, remind me to look into that
22:48 <wrtlprnft> i wanna make it so only the cycle blinks, not the lagometer and label
22:48 <wrtlprnft> #armaconfig CYCLE_BLINK_FREQUENCY
22:48 <armabot> wrtlprnft: CYCLE_BLINK_FREQUENCY: Frequency in Hz an invulnerable cycle blinks with.
22:48 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:48 <spidey> my monitor has 59.9Hz
22:49 <wrtlprnft> how is that important for us?
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22:49 <spidey> it's not?
22:49 <wrtlprnft> well
22:49 <wrtlprnft> my foot has 5 toes
22:50 <spidey> really?
22:50 <spidey> mine has 4
22:50 <spidey> i got a
22:50 <wrtlprnft> my notebook is missing a key
22:51 <linuxlizzard> so is mine
22:51 <linuxlizzard> the enter key no less
22:51 <spidey> big toe , index toe, middle toe , and a ring toe
22:51 <spidey> then i got a pinky toe 
22:51 <wrtlprnft> it's the F12 key for me
22:51 <linuxlizzard> hehe
22:51 <wrtlprnft> you wear a ring on your toe? gay.
22:51 <spidey> only when i'm on the way to your house
22:51 <spidey> ;x
22:52 <wrtlprnft> well, that'll be quite some time you have to wear it then
22:52 <wrtlprnft> from your place for mine you'll have about 18 hours of flying and waiting time
22:54 <wrtlprnft> what about I just put meriton's new classes into a namespace so they can't conflict with other code?
22:57 <linuxlizzard> depends if the code is kewl enough to deserve a new namespace :P
22:58 <wrtlprnft> it's local to a .cpp file anyways
22:58 <linuxlizzard> indeed
22:58 <wrtlprnft> I just don't want it to create a conflict in the unlikely case we ever introduce a Colour class
22:59 <linuxlizzard> aha, ya that could become troublesom
22:59 <linuxlizzard> e
23:10 <wrtlprnft> yuck
23:11 <wrtlprnft> my client keeps crashing :S
23:17 <wrtlprnft> #later tell philippeqc the trunk client keeps crashing after every new round on a server with old maps, i suspect it's something about zones
23:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:30  * wrtlprnft thinks it was maybe a bad idea to merge the new zone model already, I think the new client didn't get enough testing :S
23:35 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: ok, I'm also making a virtual GetValue that returns a variant
23:36 <luke-jr_> and Base::GetInt/GetFloat/GetString all convert GetValue
23:36 <luke-jr_> so subclasses will only need to usually override GetValue
23:36 <luke-jr_> omg, my changes compiled o.o
23:37 <wrtlprnft> i'd have loved to make GetInt/GetFloat/GetString a template
23:37 <wrtlprnft> but i don't see a way to do it with virtual functions
23:37 <luke-jr_> well, with the new design they don't *need* to be virtual
23:37 <luke-jr_> maybe
23:37 <wrtlprnft> ...
23:38 <luke-jr_> they need to be virtual if we want to allow GetString => "x minutes" on a value stored in seconds
23:38 <luke-jr_> but otherwise, the Base::GetString would handle any subclass
23:38 <wrtlprnft> something needs to be virtual or the whole tValue concept won't work
23:38 <luke-jr_> GetValue is virtual
23:38 <wrtlprnft> ah
23:39 <wrtlprnft> so GetValue returns what?
23:39 <luke-jr_> it returns either int, float, or tString
23:39 <luke-jr_> or rather
23:39 <wrtlprnft> errm
23:39 <luke-jr_> boost::variant<int, float, tString>
23:39 <wrtlprnft> aah
23:39 <wrtlprnft> ok, now it makes sense
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23:40 <wrtlprnft> and I'll go to bed, I can't do anything useful anyways until ph fixes his zones
23:40 <luke-jr_> GetInt/GetFloat use boost::lexical_cast for coversion
23:40 <luke-jr_> GetString uses Output
23:40 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:40 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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