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--- Day changed Thu Jul 27 2006
01:17 <linuxlizzard> only 1:30 sec :(
01:17 <linuxlizzard> :)
02:26 <DrJoeTron> fucking arma
02:27 <DrJoeTron> is there anything you dont do besides crash?
02:28 <spidey> piss joe off?
02:28 <DrJoeTron> yes, it does that admirably
02:28 <spidey> play online?
02:28 <spidey> play local?
02:28 <spidey> play lan?
02:28 <DrJoeTron> nope
02:28 <DrJoeTron> it crashes
02:28 <spidey> maybe it just doesn't like you
02:28 <DrJoeTron> clearly
02:35 <spidey> good!
03:59 <luke-jr_> spidey: ping
03:59 <luke-jr_> spidey: you got X-Files season 4???
04:01 <luke-jr_> spidey: spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey spidey 
04:03 <linuxlizzard> I'm sure bittorent does ;)
04:05 <linuxlizzard> if thats what you mean
04:10 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
04:10 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
04:19 <linuxlizzard> cyas later
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04:26 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: how about you?
04:52 <spidey> mm
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06:42 <Your_mom_arma> is groundpig here?
06:43 <Your_mom_arma> http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/s-soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml
06:44 <Your_mom_arma> take out the s- and put that on the server in Your_mom/clever
06:44 <Your_mom_arma> and just change the map_file stuff to 2.0 instead of 1.2
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07:09 <Your_mom_arma> hey z-man and deja_vu
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07:09 <z-man> morning
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07:17 <Lizz> hi
07:18 <Your_mom_arma> hi
07:18 <Lizz> hiya yma
07:18 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: i am, now
07:22 <Your_mom_arma> change the map_file stuff to 0.2.0 first, leave everything the same but the version number
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07:22 <DrJoeTron> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxPXFptzQRY
07:22 <Your_mom_arma> hey joe
07:22 <DrJoeTron> yo
07:23 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma: camps
07:23 <deja_vu_> hey Your_mom_arma 
07:24 <Your_mom_arma> camps?
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07:24 <groundpig> Your_mom_arma goes in the other team's goal
07:24 <groundpig> i'm sure it was an assident though
07:25 <Your_mom_arma> MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml)
07:25 <Your_mom_arma> that takes out the zones clientside
07:26 <groundpig> ouch
07:27 <groundpig> so i don't want to put this on my server?
07:28 <Your_mom_arma> then download http://www.geocities.com/armagetron_maps/s-soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml and rename it to soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml and put it in Your_mom/clever/soccersty-0.2.0.aamap.xml on the server
07:28 <Your_mom_arma> that way the client doesnt need the dtd but the client will still have the zones
07:29 <groundpig> the client would have the zones no matter what, its server side
07:29 <groundpig> but yes, it would not need the dtd
07:30 <Your_mom_arma> also 2.0 has 3 zones per goal to fill out the map
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07:31 <groundpig> hehe, i'd better make sure my code supports that
07:35 <wrtlprnft> i prefer giving the client the DTD... makes it easy to update the map. You can't use luke-jr_'s repository then, of course
07:36 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: what? --> 04:26 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: how about you?
07:37 <Your_mom_arma> well at least this waay luke can't complain which is pretty much why i did this
07:37 <Your_mom_arma> way*
07:37 <groundpig> can i complain?
07:38 <groundpig> i can't :B<
07:38 <Your_mom_arma> yeah, its a free country
07:38 <groundpig> oh i can :B>
07:38 <groundpig> do the can can, do the pig :B) 
07:38 <Your_mom_arma> haha
07:39 <wrtlprnft> you are caring if luke-jr_ complains?
07:40 <Your_mom_arma> because i dont feel like reading long winded posts about how i did something wrong?
07:41 <groundpig> i didn't see anything negative in the dtd post
07:41 <wrtlprnft> the repository just doesn't support it yet
07:44 <Lucifer_arma> <insert long-winded post about not worrying if luke-jr_ complains>
07:44 <groundpig> hmm 3 goals on side and 4 on the other?
07:45 <Your_mom_arma> ?
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--- Log opened Thu Jul 27 07:50:24 2006
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08:01 <Lucifer_arma> if God didn't want us to eat pigs, he wouldn't have made them out of meat!
08:04 <z-man> Anyone know how the spain-russia match went?
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08:12 <Lucifer_arma> it's not posted on their website yet
08:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/
08:15 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: the more I play flightgear, the more I like plib :)
08:20 <wrtlprnft> keep the font, the plib font system sucks and doesn't seem to support non- ASCII characters
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=78191#78191
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> even though Jonathan poo-pooed it, I still think it looks good :)
08:26 <wrtlprnft> the plane with the reflection effect is OK, the ground doesn't have any detail
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> the ground in the foreground isn't terribly good, the sun, clouds, and the ground in the background are all very nice
08:27 <wrtlprnft> so you want a sun in arma?
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> actually, yes
08:27 <wrtlprnft> it's computer world, for heaven's sake. Tron!
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> in the Hell moviepack I haven't finished, there's supposed to be a sun
08:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, think less about "sun" and more about "cool lighting effects"
08:28 <wrtlprnft> my GPU isn't good enough for that, so don't expect me to implement it
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09:52 <DrJoeTron> :/
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10:36 <DrJoeTron> operation defragmentation :D
10:39 <deja_vu> :O
10:47 <philippeqc> hi
10:48 <philippeqc> I'd need some help. I'd like for someone to join my server "zone v2 test server" DURING a round. I'm experimenting with respawning code and I'd like to know if a player that join DURING a round can be spawned into action.
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> ok
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> got it running right now?
10:49 <philippeqc> yes
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> let me bring up the server browser, then you tell me when to join
10:49 <philippeqc> I'm alrady there
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> ummm, not showing on my server browser
10:50 <philippeqc> join when you can
10:50 <philippeqc> no?
10:50  * wrtlprnft is trying too now
11:51 <wrtlprnft> nice server, nice server
11:52 <philippeqc> lol, its just a simple effect
11:52 <philippeqc> building up a few selectors that can select dead players
11:52 <philippeqc> and I'll see about a "fortress style" one that respawn a teammate on conquest
11:53 <Your_mom_arma> i had fun, cya guys
11:53 <philippeqc> cya
11:53 <wrtlprnft> cys
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12:09 <Lucifer_arma> I was thinking about having teammates respawn while defended
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> so you defend your own zone and your teammates respawn :)
12:09 <Lucifer_arma> if your defense dies, no more respawning (until someone relieves him)
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12:10 <TitsnAss> hi
12:10 <philippeqc> I was thinking a 3 team setup. you can defend your zone, attack and conquer the one on your left, but if you touch the one on your right, you respawn a teammate
12:10 <TitsnAss> sounds good
12:11 <TitsnAss> what if someone was camping the resspawn zone while his team mate pwnd the other team
12:11 <TitsnAss> you would have to limit the respawns 
12:12 <philippeqc> red, green and blue team. blue attack red, and if green attack red, it respawn a teammate
12:12 <TitsnAss> oh
12:12 <philippeqc> so there should be quite some interest at each zone
12:13 <TitsnAss> oh ok
12:13 <philippeqc> you want the other team to help you get inside, as it helps you, but not have them actually enter, as it helps them
12:13 <TitsnAss> sounds good
12:15 <TitsnAss> g2g
12:15 <TitsnAss> its p0rn
12:15 <TitsnAss> time
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12:15 <philippeqc> lol
12:15 <philippeqc> used to be miller time
12:24 <Lucifer_arma> my lebanese chem teacher used to end the class by saying "It's miller time!"
12:40 <DrJoeTron> man
12:41 <DrJoeTron> everytime i think i rock at tetris, someone rocks my face
12:45 <Lucifer_arma> everytime I think DrJoeTron rocks at Tetris, I'm wrong
12:47 <DrJoeTron> haha now you're right
12:47 <DrJoeTron> i just rocked someone :D
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> well, this test is getting sprung on me
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> show up to class yesterday, "The test starts tomorrow!"
12:47 <Lucifer_arma> arg
12:47 <DrJoeTron> i thought you were done with school?
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> ?  heh, no way
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> after this semester I have enough hours to be classed as a sophomore
12:48 <DrJoeTron> heh
12:48 <DrJoeTron> im behind now
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> It's calc 2 this semester
12:48 <DrJoeTron> heh
12:48 <DrJoeTron> im behind a year :/
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> so, for the next two semesters, there's always a calc test around the corner
12:48 <Lucifer_arma> behind me by a year?
12:48 <DrJoeTron> hehe
12:49 <DrJoeTron> well
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> or just behind by a year from your original plan?
12:49 <DrJoeTron> both, actually
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> (behind me by a year means "just starting")
12:49 <DrJoeTron> i changed majors
12:49 <Lucifer_arma> why did you do that?  That puts you behind by a year!
12:49 <DrJoeTron> :/ it sucked, thats why
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> so what are you majoring in now?
12:50 <DrJoeTron> :/ graphic design
12:50 <DrJoeTron> i can get into advertisement and stuff
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> wuss
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> heh
12:50 <Lucifer_arma> what were you majoring in?
12:50 <DrJoeTron> music
12:50 <DrJoeTron> my problem?
12:50 <DrJoeTron> <--percussionist
12:50 <DrJoeTron> they really didnt like taht
12:51 <DrJoeTron> nore did they cater to it very well
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> nah, people are snobs about drums
12:51 <DrJoeTron> you dont need to remind me
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> when I was in the 5th grade I told my mom I wanted to play drums in the school band and she said "play a real instrument"
12:51 <DrJoeTron> yeah exactly
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> I've been holding it against her ever since
12:51 <DrJoeTron> haha
12:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: so you played the guitar instead?
12:51 <DrJoeTron> the stuff i was gonna be learning, amazing
12:51 <Lucifer_arma> my wife bought me a trap set after we got married, and it was awesome
12:52 <DrJoeTron> too bad, they did not have the supplies for me
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> [Xpert]DarkStar: heh, not sure I can really say I'm a guitar player anymore :)
12:52 <DrJoeTron> i still plan on doing something with music
12:52 <DrJoeTron> but i dont need a degree for that
12:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: how did you learn to play the guitar?
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> dude, I've been playing music in some form or other since I was 8
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> self-taught :)
12:52 <DrJoeTron> heh mee too
12:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: cool :D
12:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wanna learn it too uc
12:52 <Lucifer_arma> you can't have been playing since I was 8, you're just a kid!
12:52 <DrJoeTron> i went to drums in 4th grade
12:52 <[Xpert]DarkStar> only gotta get a guitar and an amp
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> I sang back then
12:53 <DrJoeTron> i played piano
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> I was a pretty good singer before my voice cracked
12:53 <DrJoeTron> for 2 years
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> piano was fun, but I didn't find it very interesting :/
12:53 <Lucifer_arma> so I only learned a few chords and then moved on
12:53 <DrJoeTron> this will be 10 years of drums :D
12:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> would you say it's too late to learn playing the guitar at 18?
12:54 <DrJoeTron> nope
12:54 <DrJoeTron> lucifer how old are you again?
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, I started guitar a few months before my 18th birthday....
12:54 <Lucifer_arma> 31
12:54 <DrJoeTron> ah
12:54 <DrJoeTron> old man
12:54 <DrJoeTron> :p
12:54 <[Xpert]DarkStar> my mom is 48 and looks like 35
12:55 <Lucifer_arma> my wife is 26 and looks 16
12:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ><
12:55 <Lucifer_arma> people always ask her if she's the babysitter, and when she says no they give me dirty looks
12:55 <DrJoeTron> haha
12:55 <DrJoeTron> im 19 :/
12:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: i know that... my girlfriend is 15
12:55 <DrJoeTron> i got pulled over for looking 16
12:56 <DrJoeTron> ...i think the beard would have set me off as not 16
12:56 <DrJoeTron> when i forgot to shave for like 3 weeks
12:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> a friend of mine recently turned 23
12:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and they'd still ask him for the passport when he tries to get some beer
12:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> (you can get beer at 16 here)
12:57 <DrJoeTron> hehe
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> my wife gets carded for cigarettes, which you can get at 18
12:57 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in the US u can't get alcohol under 21, right?
12:57 <Lucifer_arma> when I worked at jiffy lube, when an old person would try to claim the senior discount, I *always* carded them
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  It's a state law, but all the states passed the same stupid law
12:58 <cusco> I know this dude who is like 80 years old.. but he looks like 20!
12:58 <DrJoeTron> not that that stops anyone
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> is he a llama?
12:58 <cusco> I think he calls himself wrtlprnft 
12:58 <DrJoeTron> from getting beer that is
12:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Lucifer_arma: you can get _everything_ at 18 here
12:58 <cusco> including sex?
12:58 <Lucifer_arma> llamas?
12:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah
12:59 <DrJoeTron> all we get are cigarrettes, and the court tries you as an adult
12:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> only a question of the price i guess
12:59 <DrJoeTron> i guess vote
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> well, in Texas it's against the law to have sex with someone who's younger than 17, but it's ok to marry with her parent's permission
12:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
12:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that is america...
12:59 <DrJoeTron> over here marriage with parents consent is 16 ;D
12:59 <Lucifer_arma> someone actually tried to tell me I couldn't screw my wife because she wasn't 17 yet
13:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
13:00 <Lucifer_arma> well, to get technical, 15 is the youngest for marriage with parent's consent
13:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 16 here
13:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and 12 for screwing
13:00 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but
13:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> under 16
13:00 <DrJoeTron> tell that to gary glitter :p
13:00 <DrJoeTron> he would be in heaven
13:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the age difference may not be >3years
13:01 <DrJoeTron> aww
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> similar here
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> if she's under 17, a valid defense for him is that he's less than 3 years older than her
13:01 <Lucifer_arma> because, of course, nobody's going to complain if a young boy has sex with an older woman.  Rather, we'll congratulate him.
13:02 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:02 <DrJoeTron> yeah
13:02 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know what the minimum age is if they're both under 17, that law never applied to me so I didn't need to know it :/
13:03 <Lucifer_arma> where's my hole puncher?!?
13:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> in russia u can get married at 14
13:03 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but no screwing b4 16
13:04 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of screwing, where's my hole puncher!?!?
13:05 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it fell behind the guitar amp
13:06 <Lucifer_arma> can you believe this?
13:06 <Lucifer_arma> I got a 57 on my last calc test
13:07  * Lucifer_arma is sorting his calc notebook so he can get cracking studying for the next test which starts tomorrow
13:12 <DrJoeTron> i suck at math
13:12 <DrJoeTron> among many other things :p
13:12 <DrJoeTron> like arma
13:13 <DrJoeTron> *sigh* i spose i should work on my site
13:13 <DrJoeTron> shit, i forgot to install those photoshop plugins
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'll be depending an awful lot on trig to get me through the next test
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> I'm good at trig, though :)
13:14 <Lucifer_arma> but I choked so badly on sequences and series that I need to get 92+ on the next test, and mid90s on the final to pull an A for the class
13:15 <Lucifer_arma> luckily, the next test is all integration.  Integration by parts, integration of trig powers, trig substitution, etc.  Easy stuff.
13:17 <Lucifer_arma> and some parametric equation stuff, just graphing, derivatives of parametric equation, arc length and some simple integrals
13:19 <DrJoeTron> damn it, the time i actually need to spell check i dont have word installed
13:19  * Lucifer_arma notes that every text editor from ed to openoffice can spell check--in linux
13:22  * DrJoeTron will keep that in mind when he feel likes compiling drivers for hours so he can make the computer make a "blip" sound
13:23  * Lucifer_arma thinks DrJoeTron should try a Linux distribution made after 1998 if he doesn't want to compile drivers for hours so he can make the computer make a "blip" sound
13:23  * DrJoeTron lieks games too much
13:23  * Lucifer_arma plays games
13:23  * DrJoeTron that arent based off the quake 3 engine
13:23  * Lucifer_arma plays games that aren't based on any quake engine
13:24 <DrJoeTron> like what
13:24  * Lucifer_arma notes that the only quake-derived part of arma is the network system
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> so, Armagetron Advanced is one :)
13:24 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:24 <DrJoeTron> give me more
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> FlightGear that I've just started playing
13:24 <DrJoeTron> ok
13:24 <DrJoeTron> half life 2?
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> Crimson Fields is nice if you like tactical wargames
13:24 <Lucifer_arma> why would I play half life 2?  I don't like first person shooters
13:25 <DrJoeTron> im not a big fan of them either
13:25 <DrJoeTron> but hl2 is :D
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> but if you really like first person shooters, Cube is around
13:25 <DrJoeTron> nah
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> and it's not based on quake
13:25 <DrJoeTron> i played cube
13:25 <Lucifer_arma> bzFlag is always fun
13:25 <DrJoeTron> hahaha
13:25 <DrJoeTron> oh god
13:25 <DrJoeTron> bzflag
13:26 <Lucifer_arma> tuxracer got forked, and the fork doesn't look very good :(
13:26 <DrJoeTron> i was waiting to see howlong before tux racer was brought up
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> well, the fork at least produced a windows version, iirc
13:27 <DrJoeTron> eh
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> there's two others that come to mind, but only one whose name I remember
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> Wesnoth, if you like games like the old pentantastar board game
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> combination RPG and tactical wargame
13:27 <Lucifer_arma> the platformer I don't remember its name, but it's very nice
13:27 <DrJoeTron> most of my games are for windows
13:28 <DrJoeTron> speaking of
13:28 <DrJoeTron> ever hear of cave story?
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, if you're stuck in the mindset of "I need these same games", then Linux isn't for you.
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> If you just want to play good games, there are plenty.  :)
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> and MAME gets you all the classic arcade games
13:28 <Lucifer_arma> no, cave story doesn't sound familiar
13:28 <DrJoeTron> i got that here too on windows
13:29 <DrJoeTron> im not sure if they made a linux  port
13:29 <DrJoeTron> but its kind of like playing metroid or castlevania
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> not sure that it matters, I don't bend very often on the "give me the source code" policy
13:29 <Lucifer_arma> I won't bend it on games, period.  I won't play a non-open source game :)
13:29 <DrJoeTron> and theres no question of "which OS is better"
13:30 <DrJoeTron> linux is way better then windows IMO
13:30 <DrJoeTron> i'm lazy, and most of the games i like are for windows
13:30 <Lucifer_arma> and you'd have to find new ones in Linux ;)
13:31  * spidey yawns
13:31 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, FreeCiv is very nice too
13:31 <DrJoeTron> nah, i talk to someone who uses linux avidly
13:31 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I've considered setting up a FreeCiv server for the arma folks that play it, but apparently nobody plays it
13:32 <DrJoeTron> i think he uses ubuntu
13:32 <DrJoeTron> but yeah, he reboots with windows for games
13:32 <Lucifer_arma> spidey keeps a windows box around for games
13:32 <DrJoeTron> exactly
13:32 <spidey> i dual boot it
13:33 <Lucifer_arma> not me.  :)  I play all my games under Linux.  If it doesn't run in Linux, as far as I'm concerned it doesn't run
13:33 <DrJoeTron> ha
13:33 <DrJoeTron> i think tank got hl2 running on linux for a little bit
13:33 <DrJoeTron> dont quite remember
13:33 <spidey> well i payed $80 for these 2 games by god i'ma play 'em :p
13:33 <DrJoeTron> which ones?
13:33 <spidey> swat4 and halo
13:33 <DrJoeTron> ah
13:33 <Lucifer_arma> if I paid $80 for 2 games, then by god I better have gotten the source code with them
13:34 <spidey> haha
13:34 <DrJoeTron> man i wanna play oblivion sooo bad
13:34 <spidey> you don't get source with games you buy from walmart
13:34 <spidey> !
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> game publishers are the worst for "protecting their intellectual property".  They've been doing copy protection for decades.
13:34 <Lucifer_arma> that's why I don't buy games from walmart
13:34 <spidey> welll
13:34 <DrJoeTron> i cringe whenever i buy anything from ea
13:35 <spidey> you stick to your open source games
13:35 <DrJoeTron> last ea game i bought was over a year ago
13:35 <spidey> in the mean time i'll play cool ass games
13:35 <spidey> ;x
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> I'm willing to cave for my nvidia driver and my broadcom driver.  In the first case it's because I think nvidia will come around eventually and open source all their stuff.
13:35 <DrJoeTron> i hear that spidey :D
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> In the second case, it's because broadcom will never ocme around but it's what I'm stuck with.
13:35  * Lucifer_arma notes the name of this channel
13:35 <spidey> broadcom = ethernet right?
13:35 <Lucifer_arma> yes
13:35 <spidey> i have 2 of them
13:36 <spidey> and 1 that came with my modem
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> 802.11g
13:36 <DrJoeTron> im so glad amd bought ati
13:36 <DrJoeTron> :D
13:36 <spidey> DrJoeTron, ass!
13:36 <DrJoeTron> suck it!
13:36  * spidey notes he WILL get that radeon
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm not willing to cave for games because games are *optional*
13:36 <spidey> ;x
13:36 <spidey> just gonna take me a bit
13:36 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> and game publishers are every bit as evil as the RIAA
13:36 <DrJoeTron> spidey personaly
13:36 <DrJoeTron> upgrade the board
13:36 <Lucifer_arma> so they don't get my money
13:36 <spidey> DrJoeTron, personally
13:37 <spidey> send me the money for it
13:37 <spidey> ;x
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> the exception being id, ironically.  :)
13:37  * DrJoeTron notes that thats what daemon tools if for :p
13:37 <spidey> because untill i'm 17 every place around here says i'm to young to work
13:37 <spidey> so i get what i get :p
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> heh, my wife was workin' it when she was 15
13:37 <DrJoeTron> i hope id never goes into the lighting bracket
13:37 <Lucifer_arma> er, had a job!  I mean
13:38 <spidey> hahaha
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> I hope Carmack gets that rocket off the ground, personally, and that he hires me when I finish my degree
13:38 <DrJoeTron> i mean just imagine if they made light bulbs
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they'd release the source to the bulbs after they burnt out
13:38 <Lucifer_arma> and be hailed as heroes for doing it
13:38 <DrJoeTron> yeah right
13:38 <DrJoeTron> more like they suck in light
13:39 <DrJoeTron> like a black hole
13:39 <DrJoeTron> oh god
13:39 <DrJoeTron> doom 3
13:39 <DrJoeTron> sooooo dark
13:39 <spidey> hmmm
13:39 <spidey> micro offerd me honary status O.o
13:39 <DrJoeTron> of...
13:39 <spidey> mbc...
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> honorary status?
13:39 <Lucifer_arma> is that what clans are all about?  status?
13:40 <DrJoeTron> eww
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> let's start a clam!
13:40 <DrJoeTron> werd!
13:40 <spidey> no?
13:40 <DrJoeTron> my clam is better@
13:40 <DrJoeTron> suck my ball lucifer
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> my clam is better
13:40 <spidey> you mean prawn
13:40 <spidey> ;x
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> join Clam Prawn!
13:40 <DrJoeTron> d00d can i join ur clam?
13:40 <Lucifer_arma> we eat lobsters!
13:40 <spidey> haha
13:41 <DrJoeTron> Clam Prawn Sux my ball
13:41 <DrJoeTron> o
13:41 <DrJoeTron> theres my ball
13:41  * Lucifer_arma skewers Gridkid's ball
13:41 <DrJoeTron> oh. i miss grid kid
13:41 <DrJoeTron> Gridkid: Meet my ball
13:42 <DrJoeTron> Tis: Meet my wall
13:42 <Lucifer_arma> well, as long as Mayor Tom is around, we'll always have that
13:42 <spidey> http://www.americasarmy.com/
13:42 <spidey> i need to reinstall halo 
13:42 <DrJoeTron> oh god americas army
13:42 <spidey> even though i suck at it
13:42 <DrJoeTron> no you dont :d
13:42 <DrJoeTron> you dont suck at halo
13:42 <DrJoeTron> halo sucks for you :p
13:42 <spidey> i have a xbox controller i made work with the computer
13:42  * spidey pwns
13:43 <DrJoeTron> why...why would you do such a thing?
13:43 <DrJoeTron> for an fps?
13:43 <spidey> so i'd have a ctronller?
13:43 <DrJoeTron> whhy!?
13:43 <DrJoeTron> no!
13:43 <spidey> to make you ask why
13:43 <spidey> bish
13:43 <DrJoeTron> use the mouse and the keyboard
13:43 <spidey> the xbox controller works better
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> I have an old cheap controller I bought a long time ago that I've never gotten to work on any computer :(
13:43 <spidey> ;x
13:43 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, most only work on windows
13:43 <spidey> duh!
13:43 <DrJoeTron> you're kidding my spidey
13:43 <Lucifer_arma> one of these days I'll plug in my voltmeter and see if the thing actually works at all
13:44 <DrJoeTron> haha
13:44 <DrJoeTron> i love my sidewinder
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: I've tried it on every version of windows from 95 to 2000
13:44 <DrJoeTron> its perfect for my snes and genesis controllers
13:44  * Lucifer_arma notes that win95 was current when he bought that controller
13:44 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, maybe it doesn't like you?
13:44 <DrJoeTron> yeah lucifer
13:44 <DrJoeTron> those are terrible
13:44 <DrJoeTron> plug and play?
13:44 <DrJoeTron> my ass
13:44 <DrJoeTron> oh god
13:44 <Lucifer_arma> no, it's supposed to use a "standard" joystick interface
13:44 <DrJoeTron> and trying to install new hardware
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> but PC's never had a standard joystick interface!
13:45 <DrJoeTron> they do now!
13:45 <spidey> i have a joystick from 98
13:45 <spidey> logetic
13:45 <DrJoeTron> i do enjoy xp
13:45 <wrtlprnft> logitech?
13:45 <spidey> i have this airplane game
13:45 <spidey> it owns
13:45 <spidey> ;x
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> flightgear?
13:45 <spidey> no!
13:45 <DrJoeTron> logitech is weird with there drivers
13:45 <spidey> it's like a war game
13:45 <DrJoeTron> i got the sidewinder
13:45 <spidey> you shoot down planes
13:45 <Lucifer_arma> man, flightgear is awesome
13:45 <spidey> so...
13:45 <wrtlprnft> I don't enjoy XP at all if i have to use it. It doesn't have virtual desktops
13:45 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, put your airplane in the air so i can shoot it
13:46  * Lucifer_arma wants to go buy a real controller for flightgear
13:46 <DrJoeTron> for what i do XP is great
13:46 <Lucifer_arma> for what I do XP sucks ass
13:46 <DrJoeTron> if it fucks up i dont really care, because i get what i pay for ;D
13:47  * wrtlprnft didn't pay for his OS, neither did he for his word processor or compiler toolchain
13:47 <wrtlprnft> you can get it all for the price of a CD-Recordable
13:48 <spidey> know what
13:48 <spidey> neither did i
13:48 <spidey> what's your point?
13:48 <DrJoeTron> neither did i
13:48 <DrJoeTron> that was my point
13:48 <wrtlprnft> I don't run illegal software :P
13:48 <DrJoeTron> mine is legit :p
13:48 <spidey> good for you
13:48 <wrtlprnft> then you paid for it when you bought your computer
13:48 <DrJoeTron> nope
13:48 <spidey> although i'm sure you download music
13:49 <DrJoeTron> someone else bought it, threw it up
13:49 <DrJoeTron> and put the key for it
13:49 <DrJoeTron> so it was bought by SOMEBODY
13:49 <DrJoeTron> :D
13:49 <spidey> non os systems are cheaper anyways
13:49 <DrJoeTron> yeah
13:49 <DrJoeTron> i built my pc out of scraps
13:50 <DrJoeTron> i think i only bought new was a video card and a hard drive
13:50 <DrJoeTron> everything else were from other pc's
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> I built my pc out of meatballs
13:50 <DrJoeTron> so yeah, dude, i totally didnt get a dell
13:50 <Lucifer_arma> me neither, I got a compaq
13:50 <spidey> i got a della
13:50 <spidey> and you know what
13:50 <spidey> it still runs like the day i bought it
13:51 <spidey> 3 years ago
13:51 <DrJoeTron> crappy!
13:51 <DrJoeTron> :D
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> like shit?
13:51 <spidey> no
13:51 <Lucifer_arma> my compaq screams, I love it
13:51 <DrJoeTron> i sort of liked my dell
13:51 <spidey> i've never had one single problem with either of my computers
13:51 <spidey> they're both dells
13:51 <DrJoeTron> the whole "no agp slot" was the deal breaker though of "fuck this thing"
13:51 <DrJoeTron> id rather buy a mac than a del
13:51 <DrJoeTron> dell*
13:51 <DrJoeTron> both you cant really upgrade
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> damn, cristi's back :(
13:52 <spidey> lol
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> the smeghead count seemed to actually decrease over the last month or so
13:52 <Lucifer_arma> I knew it was too good to last
13:53 <DrJoeTron> what are you talking about
13:53 <DrJoeTron> ive seen nothing more than a jump
13:53 <DrJoeTron> pretty soon zapple will show up
13:53 <Lucifer_arma> really?  on your server?
13:53  * Lucifer_arma notes that a fair amount of the lobster players count as smegheads on other servers :)
13:53 <DrJoeTron> oh, im aware
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> zapple should be what, 14 now?  he might not be so bad anymore....
13:54 <spidey> lol
13:54 <DrJoeTron> yeah...
13:54 <DrJoeTron> i think all he does is play halo now
13:54 <spidey> i hate kamp
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> true, I've both a) not been playing as much and b) playing on only one server, so my own view might be a bit skewed right now
13:54 <spidey> !
13:54 <DrJoeTron> i love kamp :D
13:54 <DrJoeTron> he does all of my dirty work
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> kamp is awesome!  how can you hate kamp?
13:54 <spidey> he's a dumbass
13:54 <Lucifer_arma> no he's not!
13:54 <spidey> i can and i do
13:55 <DrJoeTron> spidey and kamp got into a fight
13:55 <DrJoeTron> sort of
13:55 <Lucifer_arma> kamp?  fight with someone?  he's like the friendliest guy around
13:55 <DrJoeTron> kamp told him to stay off the wall
13:55 <DrJoeTron> spidey didnt
13:55 <DrJoeTron> kamp kicked him
13:55 <DrJoeTron> that was about it
13:55 <spidey> ugh
13:55 <spidey> no....
13:55 <Lucifer_arma> spidey deserves to be kicked every now and then
13:56 <spidey> lets say
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> if it weren't for the auto-ban thing, he'd be someone I'd kick everytime his name came up
13:56 <DrJoeTron> he told you right off the bat "stay off the wall spidey, or il kick you"
13:56 <spidey> i hate kamp just a little less than i hate psyko
13:56 <DrJoeTron> kamp does like to egg people o
13:56 <DrJoeTron> i havent seen him in a bit
13:56 <Lucifer_arma> there's a world of difference between the two, though.  psyko really is a smeghead, and kamp is cooler than fucking in the rain!
13:56 <DrJoeTron> he's one of my favorite lobsters :d
13:57 <spidey> DrJoeTron, i'm not a idiot i know what happened if SD was here he'd tell you
13:57 <spidey> i wasn't on the fuckin wall when he kicked me
13:57 <spidey> ggkthnx
13:57 <DrJoeTron> haha relax man
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> you probably still deserved it
13:57 <DrJoeTron> kamp is more anti clan than i'll ever be
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> think of pissing off kamp a lot like pissing off jesus
13:58 <DrJoeTron> so he is pretty cut throat
13:58 <DrJoeTron> when it comes to anyone with a tag
13:58 <spidey> will he can suck my big toe
13:58 <spidey> the left one
13:58 <Lucifer_arma> well, I tend to be less lenient with clanners too, but that's only because so many clanners are also smegheads
13:58 <DrJoeTron> he's also the reason why half the time my server is barren
13:58 <DrJoeTron> which is cool
13:59 <DrJoeTron> because he keep all of the idiots out
13:59 <Lucifer_arma> heh
13:59 <DrJoeTron> him and invader
13:59 <DrJoeTron> fonkay occasionaly
13:59 <spidey> i like invader
13:59 <spidey> i hate kamp
13:59 <spidey> <3
13:59  * Lucifer_arma notes that DrJoeTron's server picked up all the Crack Pipe regulars when that server went down
13:59 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> now they won't come back, heh
14:00 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, some of them I'm glad not to see anymore.  Sepiku was really getting on my nerves
14:00 <DrJoeTron> im trying to keep the server up more long term
14:00 <DrJoeTron> sepiku cleaned up
14:00 <DrJoeTron> i got alot of the SP flunkees too
14:00 <Lucifer_arma> really?  he still tell you how to setup your server?
14:01 <DrJoeTron> nope
14:01 <DrJoeTron> he never did
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> he kept threatening to never play on my server again if I didn't enable colors or some other thing
14:01 <DrJoeTron> not with me he doesnt
14:01 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen him do it, maybe he just hasn't in awhile
14:01 <spidey> lol
14:01 <DrJoeTron> i havent seen him do it
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> so you don't remember anymore
14:02 <spidey> i like sepiku ;x
14:02 <DrJoeTron> he doesnt do itin my servers
14:02 <DrJoeTron> he's a saint
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> Invader's always been cool, though.  He's the same invader that used to play ish, right?
14:02 <DrJoeTron> in my servers
14:02 <DrJoeTron> most of them are
14:02 <DrJoeTron> yes
14:02 <DrJoeTron> i think so
14:02 <DrJoeTron> i lived at ish
14:02 <Lucifer_arma> that's probably because when I saw him trash-talking you, you kept kicking him
14:02 <DrJoeTron> nah
14:02 <DrJoeTron> we all do that
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> ishAdmin needs to come back
14:03 <DrJoeTron> because most of the lobsters are admins
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> I sometimes wonder if he has come back and is just using a different name
14:03 <DrJoeTron> and when you have a room full of them
14:03 <Lucifer_arma> this was waaaay back when you first setup your server
14:03 <DrJoeTron> my server just turns into "lets fuck with the settings"
14:03 <DrJoeTron> yeah, he never was like that
14:04 <DrJoeTron> he showed up, loved it, dissapeared
14:04 <DrJoeTron> came back as an sp member
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> we might manage to sucker nic back in
14:04 <DrJoeTron> convinced him to quit
14:04 <DrJoeTron> yeah really
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> sepiku was sp for awhile?
14:04 <spidey> nic?
14:04 <DrJoeTron> nicolus b
14:04 <DrJoeTron> i miss that guy
14:04 <spidey> i remember that name from somewhere i think
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> he was awesome
14:04 <DrJoeTron> i have him on aim
14:04 <DrJoeTron> i dont talk to him much
14:04 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he just started posting again on the forums
14:05 <DrJoeTron> he showed up on fortress
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> so he said.  Recently?
14:05 <DrJoeTron> to try it out a few months back
14:05 <DrJoeTron> nah
14:05 <DrJoeTron> i finally got to say "told you you'd comeback"
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, he'll be back.  He loves the team game.  :)
14:05 <DrJoeTron> everyone comes back
14:05 <Lucifer_arma> always, yep
14:06 <DrJoeTron> what ever happen to majination
14:06 <DrJoeTron> and marrow
14:06 <DrJoeTron> and prey4me
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> don't know about maj, he left before I was here
14:06 <DrJoeTron> maj was crazy
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen prey4me recently, but other than the name I don't remember anything else
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> marrow showed up awhile back and me and him and locutus, your_mom, couple of others went into fortress
14:06 <DrJoeTron> he was damn good for a quadriplegic
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> played with communist in fortress :)
14:07 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:07 <DrJoeTron> most of those guys went to swiftparrot
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> communist was an awesome fortress player
14:07 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> he pops in every now and then with a name that if you can link it to communism/china, you can identify him
14:07 <DrJoeTron> maj played with his teeth!!
14:07 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> so you might have seen him and not known it
14:08 <DrJoeTron> mom likes to take breaks
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I heard that about maj, but I haven't seen him.  I just haven't.
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, we all take breaks.  :)  You could say I'm taking a break right now.
14:08 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> every now and then I fire up the game and people say "I thought you quit playing!"
14:08 -!- groundpig [i=groundpi@rrcs-67-53-6-47.west.biz.rr.com] has quit []
14:08 <DrJoeTron> maybe i should take a break
14:08 <spidey> lol
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> I've seen you disappear for awhile.
14:09 <DrJoeTron> but keep my servers running
14:09 <DrJoeTron> nah, not too much
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> life doesn't revolve around arma, sometimes it pulls you away, sometimes it pushes you in
14:09 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:09 <DrJoeTron> i usually just go into my server
14:09 <DrJoeTron> when i was setting my server up, you didnt see me
14:09 <DrJoeTron> unless you went in my server
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> yeah I did, saw you a lot
14:09 <Lucifer_arma> "Lucifer, how do I do this?  How do I do that?"
14:09 <DrJoeTron> true
14:10 <DrJoeTron> oh yes the teamspeak server
14:10  * DrJoeTron still is up
14:10 <spidey> http://fallin-angels.com/modules.php?name=Forum
14:10 <spidey> haha
14:10 <DrJoeTron> gomes still talks about you there
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> man, for awhile there most of the servers people played had been setup either by me directly or I had to help the admin get going
14:10 <DrJoeTron> i seem to have taken your roll
14:10 <DrJoeTron> because thats all ive been doing with all of these really bad servers
14:10 <Lucifer_arma> well, I started pushing people away.  :)
14:10 <DrJoeTron> im so glad i took off my aim screen name on the boards
14:11 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, help me set my server up!
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> I got tired of being server tech support, people started getting so demanding and ungrateful
14:11 <DrJoeTron> yeah i know the feeling
14:11 <DrJoeTron> well, i appreciated your help greatly
14:11 <DrJoeTron> ;)
14:11 <Lucifer_arma> you did :)
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> and you built a very nice server that I really enjoy playing
14:12 <DrJoeTron> haha well thank you
14:12 <Lucifer_arma> too bad I"m still burnt on deathmatch playing
14:12 <DrJoeTron> i would play, but i dont have 2.8.2
14:13 <DrJoeTron> the lobster mafia has weird behaviors
14:13 <DrJoeTron> its now "we dont go there unless joe is there"
14:13 <DrJoeTron> other wise we all go to shrunkland
14:13 <DrJoeTron> and listen to scope whine
14:14 <spidey> joe didn't anyone break my speed record thingy? ;x
14:14 <DrJoeTron> probabl 
14:14 <DrJoeTron> y
14:14 <spidey> :>
14:14 <spidey> :<
14:14 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:14 <DrJoeTron> probably by me exterminating rim huggers by switching on the rim accel
14:14 <DrJoeTron> i love you instant chat keys
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, philippeqc  is doing some cool stuff with zones, probably in the next week or so I'm going to switch to his branch on my server and start playing with the zones
14:15 <spidey> what's that got to do with anything?
14:15 <DrJoeTron> heh cool
14:15 <spidey> if i can dind on the wall with 3 rubber i can do it with 9 regaurdless of rim accel
14:15 <spidey> :p
14:15 <Lucifer_arma> since I don't do tech support for servers anymore, I've been doing all the "firsts".  You know, first map rotation, first maze, etc.  Been falling down on the job, ed is starting to run even with me
14:15 <spidey> s/dind/bind
14:15 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:16 <DrJoeTron> yeah
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> ed might have passed me, hard to say
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't screw with multi-axes
14:16 <DrJoeTron> alls if conquered was the first server with a teamspeak server
14:16 <spidey> 3axes owns!
14:16 <spidey> no
14:16 <DrJoeTron> or voice communication period
14:16 <spidey> how long you had teamspeak?
14:16 <DrJoeTron> publicly
14:16 <DrJoeTron> for a while
14:16 <spidey> cause i've had it since august
14:16 <Lucifer_arma> Joe had the first teamspeak server
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> no, joe was definitely the first around here with that one
14:17 <spidey> maybe around here
14:17 <DrJoeTron> still up too :p
14:17 <spidey> but i also didn't stray from mbc server for the first 2-3 months
14:17 <Lucifer_arma> "around here" being defined as "in the whole armagetron community"
14:17 <spidey> so is mine, spidey.no-ip.org
14:17 <spidey> ;x
14:17 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:17 <DrJoeTron> yeah
14:17 <DrJoeTron> im glad i've done something
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> well, it has to be available to the whole community.  Little clan-only things don't count.
14:18 <spidey> wasn't clan-only anyone that came in mbc and had a mic usually came on
14:18 <Lucifer_arma> my map rotator was actually so early it may not count as a first, but it was available to everybody--provided you built from cvs
14:19 <DrJoeTron> hehe
14:19 <spidey> i remember having 12 people on it once
14:19 <spidey> man i lagged so bad in tron
14:19 <spidey> :<
14:19 <Lucifer_arma> considering how mbc seems to treat non-MBCers on their server, it may as well be clan-only
14:19 <spidey> well i  never been like that :)
14:19 <spidey> so anyone was welcome
14:19 <DrJoeTron> we pay 10 bucks (5 each) for the server a month
14:19 <spidey> oh ya
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> you and gomes?
14:20 <DrJoeTron> yup
14:20 <spidey> i pay $9 for a website and 2 trons servers
14:20 <spidey> owned!
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> man, every time I go in there with my bass its empty
14:20 <DrJoeTron> its to fit 20 people
14:20 <spidey> if you count the one i get from luke that's 3 servers
14:20 <DrJoeTron> haha you actually go in there?
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> not very often, but every now and then
14:20 <DrJoeTron> gomes and or i are just usually jsut sitting in there
14:20 <Lucifer_arma> I wound up setting up a streaming media server instead
14:20 <DrJoeTron> haha
14:21 <DrJoeTron> i love being in my server when people are using the ts server
14:21 <DrJoeTron> its a whole new thing
14:21 <Lucifer_arma> because nobody was ever in your teamspeak server, but people are here all the time, so I can throw a link and if people want they can lsiten in
14:21 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
14:21 <DrJoeTron> we dont care what you do with it really
14:21 <DrJoeTron> tis made that well known
14:21 <spidey> lucifer never came to my teamspeak :<
14:22 <DrJoeTron> he would bring his "lady friends" on it
14:22 <spidey> hahah
14:22 <spidey> anjori always wanted me to bring some of mine in
14:22 <DrJoeTron> so gomes promptly changed the banner text to "Why pay for phone calls when you've got this place?"
14:22 <spidey> but when i finally did he wasn't there
14:22 <spidey> ;x
14:22 <Lucifer_arma> heh
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> spidey: I never went to your teamspeak because you actually expected me to talk
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'd be happy to bring my bass in there :)
14:23 <spidey> well
14:23 <DrJoeTron> haha yeah
14:23 <spidey> lol
14:23 <DrJoeTron> lucifer rocked out in ours
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not talking about *talking* on joe's server
14:23 <spidey> why are people so shy to talk over the internet
14:23 <spidey> it's not like you're gonna actually meet the people
14:23 <Lucifer_arma> it's not shy, it's more "I'm here at night, when my family's sleeping"
14:24 <DrJoeTron> thats one of them
14:24 <spidey> are your family home now?
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> yes, sleeping
14:24 <DrJoeTron> spidey, you called my house
14:24 <spidey> :/
14:24 <spidey> hahahah
14:24 <spidey> i did
14:24 <spidey> ;x
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> and during the day they're so loud it's not worth even trying to talk on a teamspeak server
14:24 <spidey> i was like
14:24 <spidey> is joe there
14:24 <Lucifer_arma> so there's pretty much no time when I can do it
14:24 <spidey> they where like who?
14:24 <spidey> i was like joe!
14:24 <spidey> they was like joey?
14:24 <spidey> i said yes!
14:24 <DrJoeTron> thats me :D
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> your name's really joe?
14:25 <DrJoeTron> haha suprised?
14:25 <spidey> lol
14:25 <Lucifer_arma> yes.  :)
14:25 <DrJoeTron> this is my actual nick name
14:25 <spidey> i know his real name
14:25 <spidey> ;D
14:25 <DrJoeTron> had no relation to tron
14:25 <DrJoeTron> it was just a bunch of inside jokes into one
14:26 <DrJoeTron> thus becomming a solid nickname for online
14:26 <DrJoeTron> Joe Tron for short :p
14:26 <DrJoeTron> yeah spidey i bet you do
14:27 <DrJoeTron> ya creepy jerk XD
14:27 <spidey> hehehe
14:27  * spidey picks up the phone
14:27 <spidey> don't tempt me!!!
14:27 <DrJoeTron> i hate chu!
14:27  * spidey dials
14:27 <DrJoeTron> yeah, lets not call my house
14:27 <spidey> lol
14:28  * spidey notes he has nation wide and some parts of canada
14:28 <DrJoeTron> oh man
14:28 <spidey> so it's free for me
14:28 <spidey> ;x
14:28 <DrJoeTron> my favorite admin thing to do
14:28 <DrJoeTron> turn the colors off
14:28 <DrJoeTron> so many spirits are broken
14:28 <spidey> me server doesn't have colors
14:28 <spidey> thanks to wrtlprnft 
14:28 <DrJoeTron> when they cant type in teal
14:28 <DrJoeTron> nah i keep it on
14:28 <DrJoeTron> when its abused
14:28 <DrJoeTron> it goes off
14:29 <spidey> actually
14:29 <spidey> i know what i'ma do
14:29 <DrJoeTron> i like to remind everone that being in the servers are a priveledge
14:29 <spidey> i'ma edit english_base.txt change the text color a
14:29 <spidey> so they change colors again
14:29 <spidey> ;x
14:29 <DrJoeTron> and im starting to enjoy being a moderator for many servers other than my own
14:30 <spidey> what color did durka always type in?
14:30 <spidey> i'ma change text to that color
14:30 <DrJoeTron> eww
14:30 <spidey> lol
14:30 <DrJoeTron> soo not goin there :D
14:30 <spidey> lmao
14:31 <DrJoeTron> wekk
14:31 <DrJoeTron> well*
14:31 <DrJoeTron> when school starts again
14:31 <DrJoeTron> gomes and i will get back to doing some server work
14:31 <DrJoeTron> infact
14:31 <DrJoeTron> gomes almost bought  a tower
14:31 <DrJoeTron> but couldnt find the voltage regulators for it
14:32 <DrJoeTron> so he decided not to
14:33 <DrJoeTron> i guess it was made by a company that doesnt really make servers
14:33 <DrJoeTron> silicon graphics i think they were called
14:33 <DrJoeTron> brb
14:34 <spidey> OS: Windows 98/Me/XP/2K
14:34 <spidey> Processor: Intel Pentium II 300 MHz
14:34 <spidey> Memory: 64 MB (128 recommended)
14:34 <spidey> Hard Drive Space: 120 MB free drive space (200MB free recommended)
14:34 <spidey> CDROM drive: 8x Speed (16x recommended)
14:34 <spidey> Graphics card: DirectX 8.1 Compliant Video Card with 8 MB RAM
14:34 <spidey> Sound card: DirectX 8.1 Compliant Sound Card
14:34 <spidey> DirectX version: 8.1 (Included)
14:34 <spidey> bullshit
14:34 <spidey> it almost locked up my system installing
14:34 <spidey> and i got 2.2ghz
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> I almost kicked durka off my server for his color chat
14:35 <spidey> oh that's nothing
14:35 <spidey> when he's in your server watch the console
14:35 <spidey> he tried to login as admin a few times on mine
14:35 <Lucifer_arma> and it said 0xsometupidthing/login PASS ?
14:36 <spidey> LOL
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> those idiots with the colored chats, heh.  You'll see "/team defense is down!"
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> then
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> "oops"
14:36 <spidey> ya
14:36 <spidey> ok i'ma go play rollercoaster tycoon 2
14:36 <spidey> ;x
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> ironically, I wanted the feature that makes that possible
14:36 <Lucifer_arma> so I could do "/admin kick \" to make it easier to kick people
14:37 <wrtlprnft> :(
14:37 <wrtlprnft> we should disable colors in instant chats ending in \ clientside
14:37 <wrtlprnft> but then noone would upgrade to
14:37 <wrtlprnft> or, the idiots wouldn't
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> I'd like to disable colors in regular chat, but allow them in team chat
14:38 <Lucifer_arma> mostly because I think there are valid uses in /team calls for colors
14:39 <Lucifer_arma> and I'd like to be able to do that serverside
14:39 <wrtlprnft> only idiots write in colors all the time!
14:40 <Lucifer_arma> didn't support colored chats at all
14:40 <DrJoeTron> yeah' and it was great
14:40 <DrJoeTron> make 3.0 not 
14:40 <Lucifer_arma> I'm inclined to make the default setting having colors disabled
14:41 <DrJoeTron> hey, what i wanna know is
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> so when server admins ask how to enable colors, we can all take advantage of the opportunity to tell them how stupid it is and how we wish the game didn't support it before we tell them how
14:41 <DrJoeTron> where did this clan boom come from
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, I've been fighting it
14:41 <DrJoeTron> im trying too
14:41 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I blame the popularity of z-man's server
14:42 <DrJoeTron> although i dont have a problem with mbc
14:42 <Lucifer_arma> people play together and develop some comaraderie, then go start a clan
14:42 <DrJoeTron> yeah
14:42 <DrJoeTron> and i love when people recruit in my servers
14:42 <DrJoeTron> and anyone elses
14:43 <DrJoeTron> i use the term "recruit" loosely
14:43 <Lucifer_arma> that's an instant kick on my server, no questions asked
14:43 <DrJoeTron> wanna join --|<Xtr3m3>|--?
14:43 <DrJoeTron> see me, i dont kick often
14:44 <DrJoeTron> i have all of the player slots (1-7) set to /admin kill on instant chat
14:44 <DrJoeTron> so i just keep killing them untill they get tired
14:44 <DrJoeTron> and leave
14:44 <DrJoeTron> they either think its lag
14:45 <DrJoeTron> or they just swear
14:45 <DrJoeTron> and swear
14:45 <DrJoeTron> and swear
14:45 <DrJoeTron> and then i kick them if racial slurs pop out
14:45 <DrJoeTron> though since stm cypher
14:45 <DrJoeTron> ive been weary kicking people
14:45 <DrJoeTron> cause i dont feel like getting hacked and cute shit like that
14:46 <DrJoeTron> which is why im putting the cage on another pc
14:46 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:46 <DrJoeTron> so yeah
14:47 <wrtlprnft> if someone gets access to the network behind your firewall/router they'll have a good chance of cracking your server
14:47 <Lucifer_arma> worst I ever faced was a DOS attack
14:47 <wrtlprnft> not server, your normal work machine
14:47 <Lucifer_arma> the script kiddie couldn't actually do anything else.  :)
14:47 <wrtlprnft> heh, i should use that as a threat to my parents
14:48 <wrtlprnft> do the dishes or i'll send a ping of death to your old win98 box!
14:48 <wrtlprnft> or whatever works there, I'm sure something does
14:50 <spidey> i suck at rollercoaster tyycoon
14:50 <spidey> !
14:50 <wrtlprnft> After you've registered, you can leave a note for another registered user like this: 
14:50 <wrtlprnft> #message Lucifer_arma You're a prick
14:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
14:51 <Lucifer_arma> #message wrtlprnft what's the antiderivative of cos(x)^3?
14:51 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
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14:53 <DrJoeTron> im not behind a router
14:53 <wrtlprnft> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus_with_polynomials
14:53 <DrJoeTron> ...sort of
14:53 <wrtlprnft> that maybe?
14:53 <spidey> switch?
14:53 <DrJoeTron> i have a modem/router
14:53 <spidey> close enough
14:53 <DrJoeTron> if you have wifi
14:53 <wrtlprnft> that is a router
14:53 <spidey> i have wifi disabled on my router
14:53 <spidey> fuck people war driving around my house >.<
14:53 <DrJoeTron> the server is gonna be using wifi
14:54 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:54 <DrJoeTron> oh please, its gonna be in the same room
14:54 <spidey> wifi kills a connection
14:54 <DrJoeTron> 4 inches actually
14:54 <DrJoeTron> yeah if its really slow
14:54 <DrJoeTron> its not gonna make much of a difference
14:54 <spidey> DrJoeTron, do you live in a populated area?
14:56 <DrJoeTron> its 802.11g so it will be fine
14:56 <DrJoeTron> ive ran the cage off of wifi before and worked grand
14:57 <DrJoeTron> no packet loss
14:57 <spidey> i'm not talking about that
14:57 <DrJoeTron> you're talking about war driving
14:57 <spidey> wait till a war driver drives by yourhouse one day :p
14:57 <DrJoeTron> its not open buddy
14:57 <DrJoeTron> and its not shitty gritty wep protection
14:57 <Lucifer_arma> mine's open
14:57 <DrJoeTron> i war drive :d
14:58 <spidey> how do YOU know it's not open?
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> me too, that's why mine's open
14:58 <DrJoeTron> more or less wifi sniff
14:58 <spidey> that stupid ass thing that hides the signal?
14:58 <DrJoeTron> no
14:58 <Lucifer_arma> not only do I use others' when they're open, I also open mine for others to use
14:58 <DrJoeTron> pretty much
14:58 <DrJoeTron> wep protection takes 2 minutes to crack
14:58 <spidey> maybe when i get the 6mbit connection i might
14:58 <spidey> but i need all the bw i can get >.<
14:59 <spidey> download i don't care about, upload i'm picky about
14:59 <wrtlprnft> talk about the advantages of living on the 4th floor :)
14:59 <wrtlprnft> not reachable from the street
14:59 <spidey> hahaha
14:59 <spidey> that all depends
15:00  * Lucifer_arma notes the "share and share alike" attitude has drained from this channel
15:00 <spidey> they got some wifi cards that reach a good ways
15:00 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: it's a security thing for me
15:00 <spidey> same
15:00 <wrtlprnft> i don't want people on my network
15:00 <spidey> i'd get introuble for the activities on here :p
15:00 <wrtlprnft> i wouldn't care about some download bandwidth, i have too much anyways
15:00 <spidey> ya
15:01 <spidey> it's only the uplaod i care about
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> well, there's something to be said for demographics, too
15:01 <spidey> i don't really lag when i'm downloading
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> this is a middle-class neighborhood and the only people that can use my connection are people in line to pick up their kids from the school,
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> or at the church
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't reach across the street
15:01 <Lucifer_arma> neighbors on either side of me have their own connections
15:02 <spidey> that doesn't matter ;x
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> so really, the only people that are going to use it are going to be at the church and in line for the school, and that's all middle-class parents just like me
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> neighbors are also technophobes
15:02 <spidey> what about the kids?
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> they'd have to have wireless to use it :)
15:02 <DrJoeTron> could always make a cantenna
15:02 <Lucifer_arma> but I wouldn't mind, it's share and share alike anyway
15:02 <spidey> those things own
15:03 <spidey> they reach 2 miles!
15:03 <spidey> with alot of noise though
15:03 <DrJoeTron> they're illegal in some places
15:03 <spidey> i live in the country
15:03 <spidey> i could land a plane and noone would know
15:03 <spidey> ;x
15:03 <DrJoeTron> because some kid used one to hack in to his school to change hsi grades
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> my wireless is open mostly because it's the only way I can repay the folks that have let me use theirs, but I don't try to pretend it's practical for anyone
15:03 <DrJoeTron> what ever happened to blame the master, not his tools!?
15:03 <Lucifer_arma> gun control, DrJoeTron 
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> all that went out the window with gun control
15:04 <DrJoeTron> haha
15:04 <DrJoeTron> very true
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> when you see a report that says "handguns kill 2 million people every year", that's what I'm talking about
15:04 <guru3> Lucifer_arma: setting the server to a map from the repository
15:04 <guru3> what do you do?
15:04 <Lucifer_arma> just set it like normal and it'll download it automatically
15:05 <guru3> how's normal
15:05 <wrtlprnft> guru3: MAP_FILE path
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> MAP_FILE path/to/map/using/luke's/draconian/filepath/spec/that/only/he/knows.aamap.xml
15:05 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i know it
15:05 <guru3> do you have to download it locally?
15:05 <guru3> can i set it to
15:05 <guru3> map_file http://resource...
15:05 <DrJoeTron> i like hopping on peoples networks with my ds :p
15:05 <wrtlprnft> ni
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> server will download it automatically
15:05 <guru3> ok
15:05 <wrtlprnft> say MAP_FILE <uri without the http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/>
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> no, you set it to, ummm
15:05 <Lucifer_arma> it's author/category/name iirc
15:05 <guru3> ok
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> so
15:06 <wrtlprnft> author/category/name-version.aamap.xml
15:06 <Lucifer_arma> MAP_FILE Lucifer/sick/somename-0.0.1.aamap.xml
15:06 <guru3> ok
15:06 <DrJoeTron> ah hahah, ive almost lost 20 lbs
15:07 <spidey> 20lbs from ladt time?
15:07 <spidey> s/ladt/last
15:07 <DrJoeTron> nah all together
15:07 <DrJoeTron> 20lbs in 2 weeks isnt bad
15:07 <DrJoeTron> i cant wait till i can actually start workin gout
15:07 <wrtlprnft> MAP_FILE wrtlprnft/stonehenge-0.0.1.aamap.xml :)
15:07 <Lucifer_arma> you're going to work gout?
15:07 <DrJoeTron> yeah
15:08 <Lucifer_arma> - :)
15:08 <DrJoeTron> my feet will love me
15:12 <wrtlprnft> aaaaah
15:12 <wrtlprnft> finally it's raining
15:12 <wrtlprnft> it was waaay too hot the last few days
15:13 <Compn1> so what server is stonehenge on?
15:14 <wrtlprnft> two servers
15:14 <wrtlprnft> stonehenge hide and seek zones (the new one) and another one whose name i forgot
15:14 <wrtlprnft> and it's on CTWF
15:17 <Compn1> hide and seek?
15:17 <Compn1> ehhe
15:21 <wrtlprnft> lol come to my server with a client version >=!
15:22 <wrtlprnft> i found a fun setting!
15:22 <wrtlprnft> stonehenge hide and seek
15:22 <guru3> eh?
15:22 <wrtlprnft> yeah
15:22 <wrtlprnft> you have to see that :P
15:23 <guru3> Oo
15:23 <DrJoeTron> alright il bbl
15:23 <DrJoeTron> tata
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15:25 <wrtlprnft> CYCLE_WALLS_LENGTH to 0.001 and CYCLE_RUBBER_WALL_SHRINK to -40
15:25 <Compn1> which server is yours?
15:25 <Compn1> wild tronners crazy fort?
15:25 <Compn1> hehe
15:26 <wrtlprnft> sno
15:26 <wrtlprnft> no
15:27 <wrtlprnft> go to the hide and seek zones one
15:27 <Compn1> k
15:27 <Compn1> later
15:27 <Compn1> when i get .3
15:29  * spidey will be glad when dsl gets out here
15:30 <spidey> sad to say
15:30 <spidey> dsl has better quality than this shirrt ass cable
15:30 <spidey> s/shirry/shitty
15:34 <Compn1> that crsp guy pisses me off
15:34 <Compn1> kills def
15:35 <Compn1> takes def without saying anything
15:35 <Compn1> tk's
15:35 <Compn1> etc
15:43 <spidey> kick him?
15:44 <wrtlprnft> DSL sucks ass
15:44 <wrtlprnft> cable is waaaay better
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15:44 <spidey> wrtlprnft, 
15:45 <spidey> mapload failer
15:45 <spidey> and btw
15:45 <spidey> not here it's not
15:45 <spidey> i know someone with dsl around here there service is 100times better
15:45 <wrtlprnft> cable here rocks
15:45 <spidey> it doesn't lag like shit from 9pm to 11am
15:45 <spidey> it doesn't lag out with big downloads
15:45 <spidey> now my cable
15:46 <spidey> does all the above
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> mine doesn't
15:46 <spidey> wrtlprnft, mapload failure!
15:46 <wrtlprnft> mine doesn't do any of that
15:46 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, is your isp charter?
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> mine didn't fail to download the map either
15:46 <wrtlprnft> spidey: well, i need details
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> no, my isp is someone else
15:46 <spidey> exactly ;)
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, your problem isn't cable internet, it's charter
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> if charter offers dsl, do you think it will be better?
15:47 <spidey> ...
15:47 <spidey> dude
15:47 <wrtlprnft> or the cable line to your house in the middle of nowhere
15:47 <spidey> charter = only cable provider here
15:47 <spidey> so what's cahrters problem
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, could have just been a shitty cable guy
15:47 <spidey> is cables problem to me
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> no, what's charter's problem is charter's problem to you
15:48 <Lucifer_arma> sony makes copy-protected CDs.  If only sony CDs are available to me, does that mean all CDs suck ass?
15:48 <Lucifer_arma> no, it means only the CDs available to me suck ass
15:48 <wrtlprnft> sony makes CDs that contain windows rootkits :S
15:49 <spidey> wrtlprnft, http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1708/untitledao1.jpg
15:49 <Lucifer_arma> so the cable service that's available to you may suck ass, but that doesn't change the basic fact that cable is usually better than DSL
15:49 <Lucifer_arma> that just means that living out in the middle of butt-fucking nowhere isn't all it's cracked up to be :)
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15:50 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, you're missing what i said
15:50 <spidey> i SAID
15:50 <spidey> here dsl is better than cable
15:50 <spidey> "HERE"
15:50 <spidey> ;)
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> you also said DSL isn't *there* yet
15:50 <spidey> i also said the service
15:50 <Lucifer_arma> who's going to provide the dsl service?
15:50 <spidey> it's not on my street yet
15:50 <spidey> but it's 2-3 streets over
15:50 <spidey> bellsouth
15:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey: something's fucked up with your arma
15:50 <wrtlprnft> http://arma.wrtlprnft.de/wrtlprnft/stonehenge-0.0.5.aamap.xml just loads fine
15:50 <spidey> really?
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> I've heard that bellsouth's dsl service sucks ass
15:51 <spidey> it's the same version that bugged out when i loaded the cockpit
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> svn update?  ;)
15:51 <spidey> windows for now
15:51 <spidey> still gotta make a 30gig partition
15:51 <Lucifer_arma> TortoiseSVN update.....
15:51 <wrtlprnft> spidey: just deleted my cached copy and connected, everyhing works fine
15:52 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: is this the one with the hide and seek zone?
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16:05 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: yes, just that it's 3 zones now
16:05 <wrtlprnft> including one in hot pink, as philippeqc calls it
16:05 <spidey> wrtl killed my hud map
16:05 <spidey> s:<
16:05 <wrtlprnft> though i think it's pretty normal pink
16:05 <wrtlprnft> and your rubber meter
16:05 <spidey> and speed guage
16:06 <wrtlprnft> only temporary
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm, it worked when I was there earlier tonight
16:06 <wrtlprnft> what do you think, should we have a DISABLE_COCKPIT setting?
16:06 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i just changed the setting manually
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> but I guess that's over now
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> no, I don't think we should hve a disable_cockpit setting
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> er
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> wait
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> yes, for clients :)
16:06 <wrtlprnft> don't need it for clients
16:07 <wrtlprnft> just COCKPIT_FILE 0
16:07 <wrtlprnft> we can already disable single data sources and the map serverside
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think it will be worthwhile for servers
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, but the first time I run into a situation where I can't use my cockpit, there will be a client_override_server_cockpit setting :)
16:08 <wrtlprnft> that makes sooo much sense
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> well, not really, it kinda depends.  If the server has disabled the cockpit because someone thinks it gives players with a cockpit an unfair advantage, I'd resist that
16:08 <wrtlprnft> it's just like you can have a server setting to force the client into incam
16:08 <wrtlprnft> well
16:09 <wrtlprnft> if you have an incam- only server
16:09 <wrtlprnft> the hud map is an unfair advantage
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> right, that's a different story.  I'd respect that, if the idea was to make it fun.
16:09 <wrtlprnft> same for my server
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> no it's not.  It's nearly useless, in my experience
16:09 <wrtlprnft> if you can see the zones on the cockpit, where's the point in looking for it
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> it's useful as a tactical display, but not for navigation, which is the problem with incam
16:10 <wrtlprnft> with my cockpit file you can play just using the cockpit
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> maybe we need an attribute for maps that says "hide from cockpit"?
16:10 <wrtlprnft> you mean for zones?
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> for any map element
16:10 <Lucifer_arma> hide some walls too, that'd be fun :)
16:10 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:10 <wrtlprnft> ask philippeqc 
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> also would help to eliminate the clear advantage the hud map gives on a maze :)
16:11 <wrtlprnft> well
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> if we can ever place AI cycles on the map, then we could hide them too
16:11 <wrtlprnft> if you hide walls the map is useless anyways
16:11 <Lucifer_arma> that would be neat
16:12 <wrtlprnft> then you can disable it as a whole
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, so there's a way to make the hud map useless without disabling it
16:12 <wrtlprnft> it's a complicated way and it's easier to disable it
16:13 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't mean it's not a) better and b) worthwhile
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16:14 <Lucifer_arma> I consider disabling the map because it gives an "unfair" advantage in most situations where people have talked about it to me to be the same deal as sony putting rootkits on CDs
16:14 <wrtlprnft> sh***
16:14 <Lucifer_arma> it's looking for an easy solution and stopping without looking for a good solution
16:14 <wrtlprnft> i just installed my arma server as root :(
16:14 <wrtlprnft> which means, now i have root and non- root files mixed together
16:15 <Lucifer_arma> also, the incam-only thing can be dealt with.  Misery figured it out awhile back, and afaik it hasn't been fixed
16:15 <wrtlprnft> i know
16:15 <wrtlprnft> you have to disable all cams clientside
16:16 <wrtlprnft> and then it will stay in your default cam until you try to change
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16:53 <cusco> dudeeesss
16:54 <cusco> #seen madmax*
16:54 <armabot> cusco: madmax* could be madmax|pt (1 day, 2 hours, 46 minutes, and 34 seconds ago) or madmax (5 weeks, 0 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 58 seconds ago)
17:02 <spidey> #seen luci*
17:02 <armabot> spidey: luci* could be Lucifer_arma (46 minutes and 54 seconds ago), Lucifer_arma_ (1 week, 4 days, 12 hours, 28 minutes, and 9 seconds ago), LuciEatsPeople (2 weeks, 4 days, 13 hours, 1 minute, and 48 seconds ago), Lucifer_armathos (5 weeks, 0 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes, and 57 seconds ago), Lucifer (5 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 24 minutes, and 29 seconds ago), LuciSmellsGood (5 weeks, 5 days, 1 (2 more messages)
17:02 <spidey> lol
17:12 <cusco> #more
17:12 <armabot> cusco: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
17:13 <cusco> #more spidey 
17:13 <armabot> cusco: hour, 35 minutes, and 6 seconds ago), Lucifer_arma_jer (6 weeks, 0 days, 15 hours, 12 minutes, and 7 seconds ago), LuciKillsDistros (9 weeks, 0 days, 5 hours, 29 minutes, and 10 seconds ago), LuciEatsPeopl (10 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 33 minutes, and 13 seconds ago), Lucifer_tornado (12 weeks, 5 days, 7 hours, 30 minutes, and 13 seconds ago), or Lucifer_away (17 weeks, 5 days, 12 hours, 22 (1 more message)
17:13 <cusco> luci
17:13 <cusco> so where is the game going to be
17:13 <cusco> tonight?
17:13 <spidey> i love luci
17:13 <spidey> ;x
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17:32 <wrtlprnft> cusco: on some lod itw server with two incompetent server admins
17:32 <wrtlprnft> you'll see it, the server name contains its share of colors
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17:44 <DrJoeTron> well that was weird
17:46 <DrJoeTron> too ansy to sleep X
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17:59 <spidey> hmm
17:59 <spidey> did bugfarm change to 8 play max?
17:59 <spidey> it's full with only 8
17:59 <spidey> actually there's 8 people in it and a 4 max lol
18:04 <philippeqc> got to move the computer
18:04 <philippeqc> be back later
18:04 <philippeqc> cya
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18:24 <wrtlprnft> ok, shooting doesn't work on my race server anymore, the svn update broke it
18:25  * wrtlprnft hopes pig will make a port of the latest code to the trunk
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18:39 <cusco> wrtlprnft: I have seen that server before its a small fiend isn't it?
18:40 <wrtlprnft> cusco: whcih one?
18:40 <wrtlprnft> the ITW one?
18:40 <cusco> the lod inter tron server
18:40 <wrtlprnft> the server name is green and red
18:40 <wrtlprnft> and it's standard fortress settings
18:41 <wrtlprnft> that is, no shuffling up and no wall shrink
18:41 <wrtlprnft> that's why I'm saying the server admins are incompetent ;)
18:42 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5842 /private/philippeqc/armagetronad/language/english_base.txt: Added help strings for some new permanent settings and removed the now useless help strings for all the old HUD settings
18:42 <cusco> what is wall shrink?
18:43 <wrtlprnft> it makes your wall get a bit shorter as you use up rubber
18:43 <cusco> ahm! right
18:43 <wrtlprnft> see, if you hit someone else's tail at the very end you don't die since the wall will have been gone before you use up your rubber
18:44 <wrtlprnft> but that doesn't happen with your own tail since it stops disappearing as you hit it
18:44 <wrtlprnft> that's what wall shrink is for, to eliminate that difference
18:44 <cusco> ah :|
18:44 <cusco> yes yes
18:45 <wrtlprnft> and it makes defending easier
18:45 <cusco> I understand
18:45 <wrtlprnft> you can have your walls overlap just a bit and still don't die
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18:47 <wrtlprnft> does anyone know a way to get grep -r to not search hidden dirs?
18:48 <wrtlprnft> because as of now if i grep my svn arma checkout i get all results twice...
18:49 <cusco> dunno
18:50 <wrtlprnft> i don't see a way to make it ignore binary files either...
18:52 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: --exclude='.*'
18:53 <luke-jr_> | grep -v '^Binary files'
18:53 <luke-jr_> tho I prefer grep --exclude='.svn'
18:53 <wrtlprnft> thaks
18:53 <wrtlprnft> *thanks
18:54 <wrtlprnft> doesn't work tho
18:54 <wrtlprnft> grep bans.txt ../src -r --exclude=.svn
18:54 <luke-jr_> ...
18:54 <luke-jr_> I always put options first
18:54 <luke-jr_> especially when the manpage etc doesn't give you a choice
18:55 <wrtlprnft> doesn't work either
18:55 <wrtlprnft> grep -r --exclude='.svn' bans.txt ../src
18:55 <wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ grep --version                    ~/armagetronad3/zones/build2
18:55 <wrtlprnft> grep (GNU grep) 2.5.1
18:55 <wrtlprnft> yours?
18:55 <luke-jr_> same
18:55 <wrtlprnft> weird
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18:56 <luke-jr_> it's not working more me now either :/
18:56 <luke-jr_> used to
18:56 <wrtlprnft> o_O
18:57 <wrtlprnft> doesn
18:57 <wrtlprnft> 't throw an error
18:57 <wrtlprnft> just includes the dirs
18:57 <luke-jr_>          --exclude=PATTERN
18:57 <luke-jr_>               Recurse in directories skip file matching PATTERN.
18:58 <wrtlprnft> i know
18:58 <wrtlprnft> just read that
18:58 <wrtlprnft> why doesn't it work then?
18:58 <wrtlprnft> bug?
18:58 <luke-jr_> maybe
19:01 <wrtlprnft> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-bugs/2005-March/011905.html
19:02 <wrtlprnft> i guess i have to make an alias for that ugly find command
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19:12 <spidey> O.o
19:12 <wrtlprnft> ?
19:13 <spidey> ?
19:13 <wrtlprnft> 19:12 <spidey> O.o
19:13 <spidey> ...
19:14 <wrtlprnft> 19:12 <spidey> O.o <-- ?
19:14 <spidey> ?
19:14 <wrtlprnft> ...
19:14 <spidey> !?
19:15  * wrtlprnft gives up
19:16  * spidey wins
19:18 <wrtlprnft> i dunno what you won, but well
19:19  * wrtlprnft rewars spidey with a punch in the face
19:19  * wrtlprnft is soo mean!
19:19  * spidey drop kicks wrtlprnft in the nuts
19:19 <spidey> owned!
19:23  * wrtlprnft slaps spidey 
19:29 <wrtlprnft> ARGH
19:29 <wrtlprnft> i'm stupid
19:29 <wrtlprnft> i just added my last commit to ph's private branch
19:30 <wrtlprnft> well, the extra documentation will have to wait until ph merges his stuff
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19:32 <wrtlprnft> i LOVE c++
19:33 <wrtlprnft> the addition i am about to commit was soo easy to do...
19:33 <spidey> i love armabot
19:33 <spidey> we're gonna make spideybots
19:33 <wrtlprnft> just make a bot that says "pwnt" every 5 minutes?
19:33 <spidey> it's pwned
19:34 <spidey> and every 2.5 minutes
19:40 <wrtlprnft> now, just as i wanted to test one last time before committing, it stopped working :(
19:42 <z-man> Well, that's lucky.
19:42 <z-man> My tests only fail after I commit
19:43 <wrtlprnft> it worked in ph's branch in which i accidently put it first
19:43 <wrtlprnft> then i put the same changes into the trunk and it stops working
19:45 <wrtlprnft>     tTextFileRecorder the_file ( tDirectories::Var(), m_filename );
19:45 <wrtlprnft>     while(!the_file.EndOfFile()) {
19:45 <wrtlprnft>         std::cerr << "read: " << the_file.GetLine() << std::endl;
19:45 <wrtlprnft>     }
19:45 <wrtlprnft> z-man: this should work, right?
19:45 <z-man> yes, I'd say so.
19:45 <wrtlprnft> it only prints out "read: " one time even though the file contains multiple lines
19:46 <z-man> perhaps m_filename is wrong?
19:47 <wrtlprnft> well
19:47 <z-man> The same sequence of commands is working for the banfile reading.
19:47 <wrtlprnft> i let it print it out via cerr and it looks right
19:47 <wrtlprnft> z-man: that's where i got it from
19:48 <z-man> Hmm, I'm clueless.
19:49 <wrtlprnft> how do i get it to tell me the path it's trying to open a file from?
19:50 <z-man> You can activate the DEBUG_PATH preprocessor variable in tDirectories.cpp.
19:51 <wrtlprnft> thanks
19:52 <wrtlprnft> could it be a reason that the whole thing is happening inside a constructor?
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19:53 <z-man> No, not really.
19:53 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: i accidently committed some changes to the language file to your branch instead of to the trunk, I'll just wait for you to merge it instead of risking merge conflicts
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20:01 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: ok
20:04 <madmax|pt> was newfie newbie?
20:04 <wrtlprnft> newbie is already online
20:05 <DrJoeTron> no
20:05 <DrJoeTron> newfie is invader
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20:29 <Vanhayes> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/spain-russia.php wow the ITW is now a complete joke
20:30 <NARROW> that is sad
20:30 <wrtlprnft> omg
20:30 <wrtlprnft> 6v1
20:30 <Vanhayes> for themm to actually play the match is bad but for them to play it 6-1 is shamefull
20:30 <z-man> I'm out of it.
20:30 <wrtlprnft> and they won 102-48?!
20:30 <Vanhayes> lol
20:30 <z-man> At least, it should have been 5 vs 1.
20:31 <wrtlprnft> what a bunch of losers
20:31 <z-man> That would be according to the original rule.
20:31 <wrtlprnft> z-man: then sasha would have won
20:31 <z-man> hehe
20:31 <Vanhayes> sasha did pretty good I think
20:31 <wrtlprnft> that's what i say
20:32 <wrtlprnft> z-man: uh, i know what's wrong now
20:32 <luke-jr_> while(1);
20:32 <wrtlprnft> it's trying to read /home/mathias/.armagetronad/var/chat_history.txt
20:32 <wrtlprnft> while the code on the other end writes to /home/mathias/armagetronad3/spam/build2/var/chat_history.txt
20:34 <wrtlprnft> z-man: any ideas why? this is kinda weird. I'm running the thing with make run, so it shouldn't access ~/.armagetronad at all...
20:34 <z-man> Perhaps there's a fallback somewhere.
20:35 <wrtlprnft> so I can't run that in the constructor?
20:35 <z-man> Oh, wait, a STATIC constructor?
20:35 <wrtlprnft> *global constructor
20:35 <z-man> One belonging to a static object?
20:35 <wrtlprnft> no
20:35 <wrtlprnft> or, yes
20:35 <wrtlprnft> actually, it is
20:35 <z-man> ok, an object at global scope.
20:35 <wrtlprnft> yes
20:35 <z-man> Ok, no, you can't run the code there then.
20:36 <wrtlprnft> gah
20:36 <z-man> The command line hasn't been read and the directories haven't been set yet.
20:36 <wrtlprnft> what about a static child of a class?
20:36 <wrtlprnft> *member
20:36 <z-man> doesn't matter.
20:36 <cusco> who?
20:36 <cusco> who was playing 6 vs 1
20:36 <z-man> But you can do:
20:36 <cusco> and won 102-48 ?
20:36 <z-man> SomeObject & GetObject()
20:36 <z-man> {
20:36 <wrtlprnft> cusco: http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/spain-russia.php
20:36 <z-man> static SomeObject obj;
20:36 <wrtlprnft> yeah, i know that
20:37 <z-man> return obj;
20:37 <z-man> ok
20:37 <wrtlprnft> guess that's what i need to do
20:38 <wrtlprnft> but it can be a static function, right? just to be sure because it still contains the word static
20:38 <wrtlprnft> *insert rant about static meaning 3 things here*
20:38 <philippeqc> hehe, I recognise that rant
20:38 <wrtlprnft> :D
20:39 <cusco> I see
20:39 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yes, it can be static
20:39 <z-man> the important point is that the first time it is called, your object is initialized, so that has to be after main() has started.
20:40 <z-man> We can't have the directories set earlier, because only then, command line arguments modifying them get available.
20:40 <wrtlprnft> now it works
20:40 <wrtlprnft> ah, i understand
20:40 <z-man> Perhaps it is possible to produce an error message.
20:40 <wrtlprnft> if the directories haven't been loaded yet?
20:40 <wrtlprnft> would be helpful
20:40 <z-man> yes.
20:41 <wrtlprnft> then, why did it work before? :S
20:41 <z-man> Magic!
20:41 <wrtlprnft> in philippeqc's branch
20:41 <wrtlprnft> guess so
20:46 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5843 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (5 files in 4 dirs): The chat and console history are now remembered between restarts. They are written to var/console_history.txt and var/chat_history.txt.
20:47 <wrtlprnft> maybe z-man should boykott the next ITW match by blocking the server from the master ;)
20:48 <wrtlprnft> jk
20:48 <z-man> Heh, unfortunately, the redundancy makes this impossible.
20:48 <z-man> unless all master admins agree, of course.
20:48 <wrtlprnft> well, I'm sure you can convince Lucifer_arma to do the same
20:48 <wrtlprnft> that would make a 2:3 chance it won't appear
20:49 <z-man> And we can't delete it from the clients that already got it, which I assume would be most of the ones that are interested.
20:49 <z-man> We could, however, shoot it down :)
20:49 <wrtlprnft> shoot it down?
20:51 <wrtlprnft> we could just make lots of identical servers
20:51 <wrtlprnft> same name
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20:51 <luke-jr_> with better pings ;)
20:51 <wrtlprnft> with a faked player list
20:52 <luke-jr_> hehe
20:52 <wrtlprnft> so they always show around 12 players online
20:52 <luke-jr_> but it would give players a reason to fork the community :/
20:52 <wrtlprnft> including ady and that other guy
20:52 <wrtlprnft> 20:48 <wrtlprnft> jk
20:52 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: actually, just proxy stats requests to the real one...
20:52 <wrtlprnft> haha
20:52 <luke-jr_> so they have the exact same players
20:53 <wrtlprnft> stop giving me bad ideas, or I'll actually do that
20:53 <luke-jr_> I'd laugh
20:54 <z-man> Well, no, we need to react moderately.
20:54 <luke-jr_> actually
20:54 <luke-jr_> just connect two netcats together =p
20:54 <z-man> There are still players there who'd like to enjoy the tournament
20:54 <z-man> I think they have the right for that.
20:55 <wrtlprnft> as i'm saying the 3rd time now, i'm just kidding
20:55 <luke-jr_> z-man: can anyone enjoy it other than more-or-less-cheaters?
20:55  * luke-jr_ doesn't know enough about it to be serious =p
20:55 <z-man> Well, the USA-A1 match seemed to be fair.
20:56 <wrtlprnft> AFTER they changed the rules that threw us out
20:56 <z-man> sure
20:56 <z-man> and before they changed it back
20:56 <wrtlprnft> well
20:57 <wrtlprnft> they changed the rules, saw that they were too fair, and changed them back
20:57 <wrtlprnft> or they don't like russia as they didn't like nafta
20:57 <z-man> I'd rather think they just liked spain.
20:57 <wrtlprnft> though, if a country only shows up with one player, what do you want to do?
20:58 <z-man> At least make it 5 vs 1
20:58 <z-man> because russia registered with five
20:58 <wrtlprnft> yeah, they could have done that
20:58 <z-man> and five was announced as the minimum number of players
20:58 <z-man> they SHOULD have done that
20:58 <z-man> even according to the rule of the fist match
20:58 <wrtlprnft> true
20:58 <luke-jr_> maybe that 1 player really DID want to face all of them alone?
20:59 <z-man> remember, G was allowed to play with 7 because you registered with 7
20:59 <z-man> Somehow hard to believe.
20:59 <wrtlprnft> it is just stupid to assume that out of 7 players that registered a month ago 7 actually come
21:00 <wrtlprnft> they registered without even knowing the date and time for the match
21:00 <wrtlprnft> people have to work at that time in america
21:00 <wrtlprnft> some at least
21:00 <luke-jr_> they should let teams register with different concurrent-players and total-players
21:01 <luke-jr_> eg, 'we play with 5 players, but we have 10 different people who can play for us'
21:01 <wrtlprnft> but i actually like the fact that the match times were fixed
21:01 <wrtlprnft> that way you don't have the trouble of teams having to conact each other and their members and finding the best time
21:02 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I prefer a web interface where people can mark their best and worst times
21:02 <luke-jr_> and a script reading that and picking the most convenient
21:02 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: write one for our competition :)
21:02 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: what competition is that? ;)
21:02 <luke-jr_> the one I'm planning out? =p
21:02 <wrtlprnft> the one we as the developers might plan in the future
21:03 <wrtlprnft> not the one with money
21:03 <wrtlprnft> the one with triathlon and the title screen prize
21:04 <wrtlprnft> i'd say the script should offer about three different dates about a week ahead and explicitly ask for the times that player can play those days
21:04 <wrtlprnft> so you don't have to care about rules like "well, i can play from 3PM to 11PM, but not on fridays and every 2nd monday"
21:04 <wrtlprnft> those rules are too unreliable
21:05 <Vanhayes> Only one member of the Russian team (Sasha) came to the server. Sasha was offered the opportunity to find other players for the Russian team, but this was declined. Sasha wanted to play the match single-handed against Spain, but after two matches decided it wasn't worth continuing.
21:05 <Vanhayes> that was at the top of the spain vs russia match page
21:05 <wrtlprnft> i need the chatlogs on that
21:05 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: I was planning fixed day-of-week
21:05 <wrtlprnft> nah
21:05 <wrtlprnft> it just doesn't work
21:05 <luke-jr_> and title screen prize
21:06 <wrtlprnft> i tried that with the MBC team
21:06 <luke-jr_> note the draft I'm working on is for single-player tourney
21:06 <wrtlprnft> i got a table of times people could play at on different days, but it was just plain wrong in the end
21:06 <wrtlprnft> mine is for a team thing
21:07 <luke-jr_> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/tourney.html
21:07 <luke-jr_> current draft
21:08 <wrtlprnft> no stonehenge?
21:08 <luke-jr_> I haven't played that
21:08 <luke-jr_> maybe it will be in finals ;)
21:08 <luke-jr_> I only have 1 final thing done
21:09 <luke-jr_> the other 5 are just copies from first-part
21:09 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-206-126.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"]
21:09 <wrtlprnft> actually that's quite nice
21:09 <wrtlprnft> what's inaktek?
21:09 <luke-jr_> one of Your_mom's
21:10 <luke-jr_> it's a rounded square
21:10 <luke-jr_> with smaller rounded squares inside
21:10 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
21:10 <luke-jr_> 8-axes
21:10 <luke-jr_> note players only need to play 3 of the 6
21:10 <luke-jr_> tho maybe I should make it 3 of 5, so two guys are guaranteed to play each other
21:11 <wrtlprnft> uh, where's the footnotes?
21:11 <luke-jr_> bottom?
21:11 <wrtlprnft> where?
21:12 <wrtlprnft> i don't see them
21:12 <wrtlprnft> Gold Trophy image with name on title screen of the next** release of Armagetron Advanced
21:12 <luke-jr_> oh, didn't copy those yet I guess
21:12 <wrtlprnft> where's the ** text?
21:12 <luke-jr_> * S&H, PayPal, or Google Checkout fees will be taken out of all payouts.
21:12 <luke-jr_> ** Specifics of which release are left up to the project developers
21:12 <luke-jr_> *** Until moviepacks are supported as resources
21:12 <wrtlprnft> ah ok
21:12 <luke-jr_> it's a draft, obviously for putting it into practise, we need full devteam agreement on it
21:12 <wrtlprnft> i'd have no trouble with that
21:13 <wrtlprnft> i think it's even better than my idea
21:13 <luke-jr_> even with the optional entry fee stuff?
21:13 <wrtlprnft> so the money that isn't won goes to the dev team or to the pot for the next tournament?
21:14 <luke-jr_> well, first it goes to cover tourney costs
21:14 <luke-jr_> eg, PayPal/etc fees to receive $
21:14 <luke-jr_> and that kinda stuff
21:14 <wrtlprnft> i thought those were just counted out of the pot
21:15 <luke-jr_> nope
21:15 <Vanhayes> so if I dint pay anything and came in first place I would get .5% of the winnings?
21:15 <Vanhayes> didnt*
21:15 <wrtlprnft> yes methinks
21:16 <Vanhayes> #g .05% of 1000
21:16 <armabot> .05% of 1,000 = 0.5
21:16 <spidey> lol
21:16 <spidey> .05% ?
21:17 <wrtlprnft> .5%
21:17 <Vanhayes> lol woops
21:17 <wrtlprnft> #g .005 + 1000
21:17 <armabot> .005 + 1,000 = 1,000.005
21:17 <spidey> O.o
21:17 <Vanhayes> heh
21:17 <wrtlprnft> #g .005 * 1000
21:17 <wrtlprnft> that
21:17 <armabot> .005 * 1,000 = 5
21:17 <wrtlprnft> typo
21:17 <wrtlprnft> 5 bucks! yay!
21:18 <wrtlprnft> then i'd say you don't win anything, that's a joke
21:18 <Vanhayes> well 1000 in the pot is being optomistic
21:18 <wrtlprnft> yes
21:18 <Vanhayes> #g .005*200
21:18 <armabot> .005 * 200 = 1
21:18 <Vanhayes> heh
21:19 <spidey> i doubt the pot will get over $50
21:19 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: ?
21:19 <spidey> O.o
21:19 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: ??
21:19 <luke-jr_> then, if there's enough, we might want to pay referres and other stuff
21:19 <Vanhayes> #g .005*50
21:19 <armabot> .005 * 50 = 0.25
21:19 <Vanhayes> heh
21:19 <luke-jr_> #g .5*50
21:19 <armabot> .5 * 50 = 25
21:19 <wrtlprnft> don't take too much of the money for yourself or people won't pay
21:19 <luke-jr_> err
21:20 <luke-jr_> #g 5% * 50
21:20 <armabot> (5%) * 50 = 2.5
21:20 <luke-jr_> #g .5% * 50
21:20 <armabot> (.5%) * 50 = 0.25
21:20 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: yeah, I've actually got an object that lets me spec out different %s with # of players
21:21 <Vanhayes> I would suggest if you payed 25$ you can get 50% if you win, 50% of the total winnings sound better than 30%
21:21 <luke-jr_> the barrier toward making a team-tourney draft is making that formula work with teams
21:21 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: 50% of total winnings for 1st place means about 225% total payout
21:21 <wrtlprnft> what about you do a (money the person gets) = (money the person paid)/(money in the pot)/((place the person finished in) + 1)
21:21 <wrtlprnft> and do that until 70% of the pot are gone
21:21 <wrtlprnft> then don't give out anymore money
21:22 <wrtlprnft> other way
21:22 <luke-jr_> lol
21:22 <wrtlprnft> what about you do a (money the person gets) = (money in the pot)/(money the person paid)/((place the person finished in) + 1)
21:22 <wrtlprnft> no, still not :S
21:22 <luke-jr_> $2 for a $25 player in $100 match?
21:22 <luke-jr_> lol
21:23 <wrtlprnft> what about you do a (money the person gets) = (money in the pot)*(money the person paid)/(number of players)/((place the person finished in) + 1)
21:23 <spidey> lol
21:23 <wrtlprnft> nooo
21:23 <luke-jr_> ROFL
21:23 <wrtlprnft> what about you do a (money the person gets) = (money in the pot)*(money the person paid)/(number of players)/((place the person finished in) + 1)
21:23 <wrtlprnft> what about you do a (money the person gets) = (money in the pot)*(money the person paid)/(average amount of money paid by players)/((place the person finished in) + 1)
21:23 <luke-jr_> I GTG
21:23 <wrtlprnft> cya
21:23 <spidey> lmao
21:23 <luke-jr_> back in an hour or so I think
21:24 <luke-jr_> but if you want winners to get -$23 profits, you can convince them
21:24 <wrtlprnft> lol
21:24 <spidey> hahaha
21:25 <spidey> i would give something like $25 and not play, but i've almost got enough to get me a radeon ;x
21:25 <Vanhayes> hell just say winner gets 50% second gets 20% and third gets 10% then just say the pot was 20 bucks
21:25 <Vanhayes> regardless of what it is
21:25 <spidey> lol
21:26 <Vanhayes> though I guesss some mught consider that fraud
21:26 <Vanhayes> might*
21:27 <wrtlprnft> money just makes it complicated
21:30 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: yes, but without money, I can't justify the trouble to organize it to my wife =p
21:31 <luke-jr_> and I'm not exactly making enough money from the server hosting yet to afford to host the tournament without it paying for that too
21:31 <luke-jr_> etc
21:31 -!- Vanhayes_ [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034191161.nb.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
21:31 <luke-jr_> and monetary winnings are more likely incentives than titlescreen pictures ;p
21:32  * Vanhayes_ should have joined all the ITW teams as different names
21:32 <luke-jr_> but like I said, I'm working on code to help determine an ideal method to do optional-money tournaments
21:32 <Vanhayes_> that way I would never lose
21:32 <Vanhayes_> if you make it optional most people wont pay
21:33 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: they will if they think they have a chance at winning
21:33 <wrtlprnft> well, if i win $5 I will donate it to armagetronad development
21:33 <luke-jr_> ...
21:33 <wrtlprnft> and i can't pay for it without a credit card, it seems
21:33 <luke-jr_> you *are* part of AA development =p
21:34 <Vanhayes_> ya alot of people are too young to own a credit card too
21:34 <wrtlprnft> no, i mean for the domainname
21:34 <wrtlprnft> etc
21:34 <luke-jr_> eh?
21:34 <luke-jr_> what domainname
21:34 <wrtlprnft> i won't go through the trouble of transferring the money from you to me
21:34 <wrtlprnft> armagetronad.net
21:35 <luke-jr_> we already have that...O.o
21:35 <wrtlprnft> well, it's an ongoing bill, right?
21:35 <spidey> you have to pay monthly duh
21:35 <luke-jr_> um
21:35 <wrtlprnft> yearly
21:35 <luke-jr_> no
21:35 <luke-jr_> lol
21:35 <spidey> well
21:35 <spidey> still have to pay ;p
21:35 <luke-jr_> I'll register a domain for you for $5/mo =p
21:35 <wrtlprnft> ?!
21:35 <spidey> #g 5*12
21:35 <armabot> 5 * 12 = 60
21:35 <spidey> !
21:36 <luke-jr_> ROFL
21:36 <wrtlprnft> now luke-jr_ is playing stupid
21:36 <luke-jr_> hey, he's the one who thought it was $5/mo
21:36 <wrtlprnft> I am not saying i wanna sponsor the domain name for one month
21:36 <wrtlprnft> if it's enough for three months, fine with me
21:36 <wrtlprnft> if it's enough for twelve months, fine with me
21:36 <wrtlprnft> if it's enough for twelve months, fine with me
21:36 <wrtlprnft> if it's enough for 1000 years, fine with me
21:36 <spidey> lol
21:37 <spidey> #g 724*12
21:37 <armabot> 724 * 12 = 8,688
21:37 <spidey> O.o
21:37 <spidey> we live off that a year
21:37 <spidey> ;x
21:39 <luke-jr_> O.o
21:39 <luke-jr_> when I worked at McDonalds, I made about $900/mo
21:39 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034191161.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)]
21:39 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
21:39 <spidey> i'm to young to work at stores or places here
21:39 <spidey> my grandma's to old
21:39 <spidey> so we live off ssi
21:39 <spidey> ;x
21:39 <Vanhayes> arent u 17?
21:39 <spidey> not yet
21:39 <luke-jr_> heh
21:39 <Vanhayes> so 16
21:39 <luke-jr_> dumb gov't
21:40 <luke-jr_> I worked when i was like 14 =p
21:40 <spidey> it's not the gov
21:40 <Vanhayes> 16 is too young?
21:40 <spidey> it's the stores here
21:40 <luke-jr_> oh
21:40 <spidey> STORES
21:40 <spidey> BOATDOCKS
21:40 <luke-jr_> dumb stores
21:40 <spidey> i tried them all
21:40 <spidey> ;(
21:40 <luke-jr_> sue em
21:40 <spidey> haha
21:40 <spidey> hmmm
21:40 <luke-jr_> they're discriminating you on the basis of age
21:40 <luke-jr_> jerks
21:40 <spidey> can't afford a lower
21:40 <spidey> lawer
21:40 <spidey> w/e
21:40 <spidey> >.<
21:40 <luke-jr_> aww, they don't work for a %? =p
21:40 <luke-jr_> lol
21:40 <Vanhayes> think that might fall under child labour laws
21:40 <luke-jr_> anyway, I'm really gone this time
21:40 <luke-jr_> bbl
21:41 <spidey> cya
21:41 <wrtlprnft> cya
21:42 <wrtlprnft> z-man: there is a page written by them: http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/spain-russia.php (referring to your wiki comment)
21:43 <wrtlprnft> but i'd like real logs too, not some nicely written text by them
21:44 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: can you please state a source for your canada flag?
21:44 <wrtlprnft> on the image description page
21:45 <wrtlprnft> anyways, if it's an International TRON world cup, who says it has to be played with arma? there's GLTron too!
21:47 <Vanhayes> wrtlprnft: Would I just put that in the summary?
21:47 <Vanhayes> er where is image discription page?
21:58 <wrtlprnft> Vanhayes: click on the image
21:58 <wrtlprnft> and edit it
22:00 <wrtlprnft> z-man: uh, i just got kicked from CTWF because i was inactive too long (something took longer than I thought), but now I got banned for two minutes. Could that be fixed so you can't get banned for inactivity kicks? If you rejoin you're obviously active again
22:00  * wrtlprnft feels bad about waking z-man all the time
22:00 <z-man> Yes, this sounds feasible.
22:01 <wrtlprnft> :)
22:02 <wrtlprnft> I am STILL banned for 2 minutes?!
22:02 <wrtlprnft> what does the "at least" mean anyways?
22:08 <z-man> You shouldn't retry too often :)
22:11 <spidey> z-man, ady has a place he posts results doesn't he?
22:12 <spidey> z-man
22:12 <spidey> i got your proof
22:12 <spidey> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/spain-russia.php
22:12 <spidey> :p
22:13 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with http
22:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [14:43:44] <wrtlprnft> z-man: there is a page written by them: http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/spain-russia.php (referring to your wiki comment)
22:13 <spidey> lies >.<
22:13 <wrtlprnft> i posted that long ago
22:13  * spidey notes he never scrolls up
22:13 <spidey> :p
22:13  * wrtlprnft can see that
22:14 <spidey> >.<
22:16  * Vanhayes notes he posted that link before either of you
22:17 <spidey> lies!
22:17 <Vanhayes> #last --from Vanhayes --with http
22:17 <armabot> Vanhayes: [13:30:03] <Vanhayes> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/spain-russia.php wow the ITW is now a complete joke
22:17 <spidey> that bot lies
22:21 <Vanhayes> http://lod.bigreddesign.co.uk/twc/  guess they arent going to use the even players rule
22:22 <Vanhayes> uk-8 A2-4
22:23 <spidey> maxwill pwn them ;x
22:23 <Vanhayes> well going by scores A2 is winning, but who knows wht the round wins score is
22:30 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577B960F.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:30 <spidey> ya
22:31 <spidey> Vanhayes, a2 is winning by 20 points
22:31 <spidey> not sure what match though
22:32 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BBCA1.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
22:34 <spidey> A2 just won a match O.o
22:40 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *josh* hi
22:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
22:41 <spidey> yay
22:41 <spidey> a2 got another player
22:41 <spidey> ;x
22:41 <spidey> and it's 1-0 so a2 is whooping there asses 7vs4  O.o
22:45 <spidey> meh
22:46 <spidey> even if nafta would have beat germany, a2 would have killed us
22:46 <spidey> ;x
23:08 <Vanhayes> #seen ghableska
23:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: ghableska was last seen in #armagetron 2 weeks, 4 days, 5 hours, 44 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <ghableska> O_o
23:10 <wrtlprnft> #later tell *e* haha! your name contains an e, mine doesn't!
23:10 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
23:11 <wrtlprnft> #tell *e* test
23:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I haven't seen *e*, I'll let you do the telling.
23:11 <wrtlprnft> gah
23:11 <cusco> Im feeling like I should go out
23:13 <wrtlprnft> then go?
23:13 <cusco> of the game
23:14 <Vanhayes> whats the score?
23:14 <wrtlprnft> ahh, I'll get some nice name and enter for fun
23:14  * Vanhayes pokes wrtlprnft for sending stupid messages
23:18  * spidey slaps wrtlprnft 
23:19 <Vanhayes> hmm why doesnt armabot want to talk to me
23:19 <Vanhayes> #later tell *f* haha! your name contains an f, mine doesn't!
23:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
23:20 <Vanhayes> armabot list
23:20 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
23:20 <spidey> #later tell *V* haha! your name contains an V, mine doesn't
23:20 <armabot> spidey: The operation succeeded.
23:20 <cusco> #CIA
23:20 -!- Vanhayes is now known as _anhayes
23:20 <cusco> what is cia?
23:20 <_anhayes> #list CIA
23:20 <armabot> _anhayes: addhandler, describe, listhandlers, and removehandler
23:21 <_anhayes> noy sure
23:21 <_anhayes> not*
23:21 <cusco> #cia describe
23:21 <armabot> cusco: (cia describe <shortname>) -- Describes the handler given by shortname.
23:21 <cusco> #cia describe _anhayes 
23:21 <armabot> cusco: _anhayes not found.  Sorry.
23:21 <_anhayes> #cia describe commit
23:21 <armabot> _anhayes: commit not found.  Sorry.
23:22 <cusco> looks like some info script
23:22 <_anhayes> #listhandlers
23:22 <armabot> _anhayes: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
23:22 <cusco> #cia listhandlers
23:22 <armabot> cusco: commitnotify, aabetaupdate, wikiupdater, armabotupdater
23:22 -!- NARROW [n=Miranda@p54B03389.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org"]
23:22 <cusco> lol
23:22 <_anhayes> #describe armabotupdater
23:22 <armabot> _anhayes: armabotupdater: Matches on '/support/armabot', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: /home/supybot/bin/updatearmabot
23:22 <_anhayes> #describe wikiupdater
23:22 <armabot> _anhayes: wikiupdater: Matches on '/www/wiki', Performs action of type: 'cmd', On channel: #armagetron, Details: /home/supybot/bin/updatewiki
23:23  * _anhayes has no idea what any of these are for
23:24 <_anhayes> armabot list alias
23:24 <armabot> _anhayes: add, armaconfig, bug, chatlog, digg, f, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
23:24 <_anhayes> #q
23:24 <armabot> _anhayes: Quote #2: "God gave me fingers and a clitoris, I mean, it's pretty obvious. --Lola Garcia" (added by Lucifer_arma at 12:07 AM, March 24, 2006)
23:24 <_anhayes> #help log
23:24 <armabot> _anhayes: (log <text>) -- Logs <text> to the global Supybot log at critical priority. Useful for marking logfiles for later searching.
23:24 <_anhayes> #insight
23:24 <armabot> _anhayes: The rapid litigation of censorship will undermine all hope for computer literacy.
23:25 <_anhayes> #help armaconfig
23:25 <armabot> _anhayes: (armaconfig <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armaconfig.php?config=$1".
23:25 <_anhayes> #armaconfig re
23:25 <armabot> _anhayes: ARENA_AXES: In how many directions a cycle can turn 4 is the default, 6 is hexatron || ARENA_AXES_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when ARENA_AXES differs from its default? || ARMAGETRON_LAST_SCREENMODE: Last screen resolution || ARMAGETRON_SCREENMODE: Screen resolution || BOOKMARK_0_ADDRESS: Server adress of the 1st server bookmark || BOOKMARK_10_ADDRESS: Server adress of the (19 more messages)
23:25 <_anhayes> #armaconfig respawn
23:25 <armabot> _anhayes: Sorry, no matches :S
23:25 <_anhayes> #armaconfig invu
23:25 <armabot> _anhayes: CYCLE_INVULNERABLE_TIME: Time in seconds a cycle is invulnerable after a respawn.
23:25 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5844 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gWall.cpp gWall.h):
23:25 <armabot> armagetronad: Added the possibility to make "snapshots" of the current wall end data; it is
23:25 <armabot> armagetronad: stored in one of the coord_ entries and not touched on further updates. Hmm,
23:26 <armabot> armagetronad: this would also give a slightly better cycle position history with the right
23:26 <armabot> armagetronad: query functions.
23:28 <_anhayes> #help digg
23:28 <armabot> _anhayes: (digg <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "rss http://digg.com/rss/index.xml".
23:28 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5845 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp:
23:28 <armabot> armagetronad: Used new wall end position snapshots to make wall time extrapolation more accurate, especially while rubber is being used.
23:28 <armabot> armagetronad: Rubberless deaths replaced with instant rubber usage that lets the cycle survive if the trails are short compared to rubber, as is often the case on race type servers. Groundpig, this is for you :)
23:30 <cusco> groundpig
23:31 <_anhayes> hmm he isnt here unless he is using another name
23:31 <cusco> 2-2
23:32 <z-man> and he'd also need to wait for it to be merged into trunk.
23:37 -!- [NP]Tangent [n=hyperdev@71-211-215-124.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5846 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/ (gCycle.cpp gWall.cpp gWall.h): (log message trimmed)
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5840 to 5845:
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad:  r5845 | z-man | 2006-07-27 23:29:12 +0200 (Thu, 27 Jul 2006) | 2 lines
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad:  Used new wall end position snapshots to make wall time extrapolation more accurate, especially while rubber is being used.
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad:  Rubberless deaths replaced with instant rubber usage that lets the cycle survive if the trails are short compared to rubber, as is often the case on race type servers. Groundpig, this is for you :)
23:44 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
23:45 <cusco> 88 - 86
23:46 <cusco> topman in play - madmax
23:48 <cusco> uk won match 3
23:48 <wrtlprnft> uk won
23:48 <wrtlprnft> stupid
23:48  * cusco is going to start crying
23:48 <wrtlprnft> A2 were the real winners
23:48 <cusco> it was everything on until I joinned :|
23:49 <cusco> on/ok
23:49 <cusco> :(
23:49 <cusco> so .. a2 doesn't get to play anymore
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> I think there's a ore likely explanation for the ITW
23:50 <wrtlprnft> cusco: CIA: http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad
23:50 <wrtlprnft> it tracks all our commits and resource uploads
23:50 <wrtlprnft> and armabot shows them for us
23:50 <cusco> right...
23:51 <cusco> Lucifer_arma: whats a *ore*
23:51 <wrtlprnft> commits = changes to armagetronad and support code
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's the raw form of iron
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> it's also more -m
23:52 <cusco> wrtlprnft: I got it.. lol thanks
23:52 <Lucifer_arma> I'll wait 'till z-man appears, I don't want to post it :)
23:59 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl4-207-202.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
23:59 <madmax|pt> hi

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