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Log from 2006-07-20:
--- Day changed Thu Jul 20 2006
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00:04 -!- nemostul1ae is now known as nemostultae
00:09 -!- nemostultae [n=nemostul@] has quit ["fuck it."]
00:12 <wrtlprnft> nemo has a nice quit message
00:12 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:12 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:12 <Lizz> wow.. the southern hemisphere dosent even exist.. oh wait.. thats right.. no ppl here >.<
00:12 <madmax|pt> g'night
00:12 <Lizz> nite max tc
00:12 <madmax|pt> erm
00:12 <madmax|pt> not me
00:12 <madmax|pt> wrtlprnft
00:13 <Lizz> oh nite wrt tc
00:13 <Vanhayes> tc?
00:14 <Vanhayes> #wtf tc
00:14 <Vanhayes> ...
00:14 <Vanhayes> #help wtf
00:15 <Vanhayes> #list
00:15 <madmax|pt> doh
00:15 <Vanhayes> #echo DO SOMETHING
00:16 <Vanhayes> grr
00:16 <madmax|pt> he died
00:16 <Vanhayes> armabot wtf ct
00:16 <joda_bot> Lizz: just pick a team and play ;) does it matter in which country you live ? (except for ping difference ? )
00:16 -!- Wolv [i=Lizz@DC-201-92.bpb.bigpond.com] has joined #armagetron
00:17 <Wolv> gah.. stupid thing
00:17 <Vanhayes> hello liz
00:17 <Wolv> how do i get rid of myself lma
00:17 <Wolv> o
00:17 <Vanhayes> are you registered?
00:17 <Wolv> as lizz yes
00:18 <Vanhayes> somethiing like /nick ghost lizz pasword
00:18 -!- Wolv is now known as ghost
00:18 <ghost> erm
00:18 <Vanhayes> lol
00:18 <ghost> nope
00:18 <ghost> lmao
00:18 <madmax|pt> loool
00:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: tc: nothing appropriate
00:18 <Vanhayes>  /msg nickserv ghost lizz password
00:18 <ghost> tc = take care
00:18 <Vanhayes> lol
00:19 <madmax|pt> /nickserv help ghost
00:19 <Vanhayes> try that lizz
00:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: (wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package.
00:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
00:19 <armabot> DO SOMETHING
00:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: ct: nothing appropriate
00:19 <Vanhayes> wow armabot is slow
00:19 <madmax|pt> omg
00:19 <Vanhayes> haaa
00:19 <Vanhayes> #wtf wtf
00:19 <armabot> Vanhayes: WTF: {what,when,where,who,why} the fuck
00:20 <Vanhayes> that was like a 5 minute delay
00:20 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
00:21 <armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
00:21 -!- Lizz [i=Lizz@wxpp-p-144-138-186-93.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.]
00:21 <ghost> yay
00:21 <Vanhayes> now /nick lizz
00:21 <ghost> brb
00:21 <ghost> ooh
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00:21 <Vanhayes> hello
00:21 -!- ghost is now known as Lizz
00:21 <Lizz> oooh thx vanners :D
00:21 <Lizz> hi brooky
00:21 <Vanhayes> np
00:21 <Brooky> hi
00:23 <madmax|pt> aw that ghost was cool
00:24 <Lizz> lol
00:24 <joda_bot> #night ;)
00:24 <armabot> Good night joda_bot!
00:24 <Lizz> nite joda tc
00:24 <joda_bot> good night, all you programs ;)
00:24 -!- joda_bot [n=anonymou@dslb-084-061-016-100.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #armagetron []
00:25  * Lizz goes to tron to annoy ppl with her ping
00:25 <Lizz> :D
00:25 <madmax|pt> oh noooo
00:26 <madmax|pt> glad im not playing
00:26 <madmax|pt> lol
00:26 <Lizz> oh hush :P
00:26  * Vanhayes is shooting people in tron
00:26 <madmax|pt> nice
00:26 <Vanhayes> shooting people and their zombies
00:27 <madmax|pt> how do you shoot people in tron?
00:27 <madmax|pt> rail gun?
00:27 <madmax|pt> BFG?
00:27 <Vanhayes> Brake
00:27 <madmax|pt> lol
00:27 <Vanhayes> lol
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00:32 <luke-jr_> spidey: ping
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01:37 <madmax|pt> gnight
01:37 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl5-10-153.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["...but fuck in a good way."]
01:39 -!- Vanhayes [n=Vanhayes@stjhnbsu84w-156034185175.nb.aliant.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
01:41 <Lucifer_arma> if nfs built-in to the gentoo kernel?
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, found nfs-utils
01:57 <Vanhayes_> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=75341#75341 hmm anyone ever try this before?
01:58 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
02:03 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: nfs is built-in to vanilla
02:09 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma, u still need nfs kernel support
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02:12 <Lizz> i gotta question
02:13 <Lizz> if someone in the server has a 20 ping.. how close are they to it?
02:13 <Vanhayes> same city
02:13 <Vanhayes> usually
02:13 <Lizz> thats all?
02:13 <Vanhayes> not really sure
02:13 <Lizz> k
02:13 <Lizz> i dont often see a ping btwn 18/20 thats why i asked
02:14 <Lizz> thx :)
02:29 <luke-jr_> Lizz: usually they're in the same room
02:30 <Lizz> meaning?
02:30 <Vanhayes> they run the server
02:30 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: luke-jr_ I built with genkernel
02:31 <Lizz> O.O
02:31 <Lizz> umm
02:31 <mkzelda> Lucifer_arma, im sorry
02:32 <Lizz> run the server?
02:32 <Lizz> dosent make sense
02:33 <Vanhayes> what server?
02:33 <Lizz> mbcs
02:34 <Vanhayes> er
02:34 <Vanhayes> who runs that?
02:34 <Lizz> distort gaming
02:34 <Lizz> i think
02:34 <Lizz> well
02:34 <Lizz> we pay for it off them
02:34 <Lizz> i think
02:34 <Vanhayes> must have a really good connection and is a few miles away from it
02:35 <Lizz> k
02:35 <Lizz> wish i had an 18 ping
02:35 <Lizz> :/
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: sorry I built my kernel with genkernel?
02:36 <Lucifer_arma> I'll configure it one of these days and build a custom kernel, don't worry
02:37  * Lucifer_arma just finished hanging windowshades
02:38 <Lucifer_arma> I want nfs to only export to my local network, anyone know how to do that?
02:39 <Lucifer_arma> it's 192.168.1.*
02:55 <luke-jr_> Lizz: how much do you guys pay them? =p
02:56 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: /usr/share/games/quake-data/,async,all_squash,anonuid=65534,anongid=35)
02:56 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: as an example
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> hmm, I got it exported, I think, and mounted, and then openoffice.org borks when it tries to write to it
02:58 <Lucifer_arma> on the client, that is
02:59 <Lucifer_arma>  /home/share,sync)    <--- the export line
02:59 <Lucifer_arma> benedict:/home/share /home/share/home nfs  defaults 0 0  <-- the mount line on the client
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03:16 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: don't use nfs for rw
03:17 <luke-jr_> unless you want to be cracked
03:21 <spidey> luke-jr_, don't ping me while i'm sleeping :p
03:34 <mkzelda> who is this imposter on bugfarm
03:34 <spidey> nemo
03:34 <spidey> mkzelda, ?
03:34 <mkzelda> he's playing as lol wildcat, but its not him
03:34 <spidey> dunno
03:35 <spidey> someone's in my server as spidey
03:35 <spidey> or was
03:35 <spidey> O.o
03:36 <mkzelda> this guy is causing probs
03:36 <Vanhayes> hes gone
03:37 <mkzelda> he couldnt answer what celebrity he's also known as
03:37 <mkzelda> but he did know he was from kentucky
03:38 <Vanhayes> heh he came in and started insulting his clan so that was a good sign he was fake
03:38 <Lizz> lottsa fakes aroung.. will drive u nuts trying to keep up
03:38 <Lizz> around*
03:39 <mkzelda> he was calling ppl faggots and niggers
03:39 <Lizz> :(
03:39 <Lizz> thats nasty
03:40 <Lizz> some ppl should of been slapped harder at birth >.<
03:40 <mkzelda> now they're joining as screw u lol
03:41 <Vanhayes> I dont see the appeal of impostrering someone
03:42 <mkzelda> he prolly got banned from the lol server
03:42 <mkzelda> and came over here to make a bad name for wildcat
03:42 <Lizz> nor do i.. just silly annoying idiots
03:42 <mkzelda> who is this dutch girl w/ the fast connection
03:46 <Vanhayes> hahaha FAG Vanhaynes this time
03:46 <mkzelda> VANURDEDMEAT
03:47 <mkzelda> VANUAREDEDMEAT
03:48 <Vanhayes> I love having a stalker
03:52 <spidey> dook!
03:53 <mkzelda> ya?
03:53 <mkzelda> oh shit practice tonight eh?
03:53 <spidey> ya
03:53 <spidey> 2 hours
03:53 <spidey> i think
03:53 <mkzelda> 2 hrs!
03:53 <mkzelda> ?
03:53 <mkzelda> thats 2am man
03:53 <spidey> O.o
03:53 -!- GodTodd [n=GodTodd@c-71-199-204-144.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
03:53 <spidey> where you at?
03:53 <mkzelda> eastern US
03:53 <Vanhayes> practice what?
03:53 <spidey> nah
03:54 <spidey> it's only 10pm there
03:54 <spidey> so it's 12
03:54 <spidey> :p
03:54 <Vanhayes> lol
03:54 <Vanhayes> ws gonna say im at 10- 11:00 right now and im as east as you can go in canada or US
03:54 <spidey> heh
03:55 <spidey> 9pm here
03:55 <spidey> est is 1 hour ahead of me ;d
03:55 <spidey> #time
03:55 <armabot> spidey: 08:56 PM, July 19, 2006
03:55 <Vanhayes> lol wow this guy has problems, he is still coming in and out of fort just to show his new name
03:56 <Vanhayes> and it happened about 15-30 min ago
03:56 <mkzelda> he came in as a fake LOL Wildcat, to which Vanhayes and I busted him
03:57 <mkzelda> i think i was more vocal about it but he didnt like Vanhayes for whatever reason
03:57 <Vanhayes> lol now the stalking begins it seems
03:57 <Vanhayes> heh I started tking him
03:57 <Vanhayes> he tried to kick saying I was a tker and I told him that yes I was
03:59 <spidey> wtf man
04:00 <spidey> this bullshit's getting old
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> this shit happens on more popular servers
04:00 <spidey> ?
04:01 <spidey> i can't open websites
04:01 <spidey> like
04:01 <spidey> it says it loads them
04:01 <spidey> but it doesn't
04:01 <mkzelda> wtf was that attack?
04:01 <mkzelda> Vanhayes, ?
04:01 <Vanhayes> ?
04:01 <mkzelda> that guy just drove into my wall and went right through it?
04:01 <Vanhayes> ya its the tail end
04:01 <Vanhayes> since u move he can go threw it
04:02 <mkzelda> how's that work?
04:02 <mkzelda> ive never seen this before
04:02 <Vanhayes> Ive used it for months
04:03 <mkzelda> i wanna see it again
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: basically, your tail is shrunk with rubber usages
04:03 <Lucifer_arma> *usage
04:04 <Vanhayes> since the def is moving, and you have rubber you can go straight into  the end of the tail and if there any gap at all you get in
04:04 <mkzelda> but the client doesnt see it?
04:04 <Vanhayes> what version?
04:04 <mkzelda> trunk
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> oh, you're talking about something else, nvm
04:04 <mkzelda> i had a ton of overlap oms
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> that attack is pretty old :)
04:04 <mkzelda> i mean, the usual amount u need
04:04 <Vanhayes> very old
04:04 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, that's different?
04:05 <Vanhayes> ya this new 5 meters change is affecting things
04:05 <Lucifer_arma> sounds like a bug
04:05 <Vanhayes> I think I t happened to me and I yelled bug esturday
04:05 <Lucifer_arma> set it up again with a recording
04:05 <mkzelda> yea i would if anyone would do it again
04:05 <mkzelda> i've never seen it b4 and ive done a LOT of def
04:06 <Vanhayes> ya its not what I was saying, thats just normal gap attack, this is going thru a wall
04:07 <mkzelda> i should have yelled bug but everyone else thought it was normal
04:07 <Vanhayes> its happened once to me whie I was attacking, I called bug but im not sure what name I was using
04:09 <spidey> erm
04:09 <spidey> the wiki not load for anyone else?
04:09 <spidey> or am i broken :(
04:10 <Vanhayes> works for me
04:10 <spidey> grrrr
04:10 <spidey> everything else loads for me
04:10 <spidey> but the wiki won't :<
04:11 <Vanhayes> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup_Groups  that dont work?
04:11 <spidey> well wtf
04:11 <spidey> that loaded
04:11 <spidey> :/
04:11 <Vanhayes> lol
04:12 <spidey> but
04:12 <spidey> no other pages work
04:12 <spidey> heh
04:12 <Vanhayes> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup
04:12 <spidey> !
04:12 <Vanhayes> mybe only links to the pages work?
04:12 <Vanhayes> maybe*
04:13 <spidey> mmm
04:26 <luke-jr_> hey
04:26 <luke-jr_> Can anyone get a car towed they don't own?
04:27 <Vanhayes> what do you mean?
04:28 <luke-jr_> some neighbor is threatening to get my car towed
04:28 <luke-jr_> because it's parked on the sidewalk (with permission, but that's none of his business anyhow)
04:28 <luke-jr_> do I need to worry about it?
04:29 <Vanhayes> ya im pretty sure he can, but if you have proof of permission I dont think they can tow it
04:29 <luke-jr_> wtf, so anyone could just get my car towed without my even knowing?
04:29 <luke-jr_> that's stupid
04:29 <Vanhayes> if its on the side walk
04:29 <luke-jr_> -.-
04:30 <mkzelda> haha
04:30 <Vanhayes> not sure if they have to call the police or just a tow company
04:30 <mkzelda> i got towed one time going inside to get a visitor's pass
04:30 <mkzelda> went inside, got the pass, walked out, my car was gone
04:30 <Vanhayes> hahaha nice
04:30 <Vanhayes> where at?
04:30 <luke-jr_> brb
04:31 <Vanhayes> lol probly gonna go move his car
04:31 <mkzelda> lost connection to bugfarm
04:43 <mkzelda> tow companies are nothing to mess around with
04:43 <mkzelda> most towers carry guns
04:44 <Lizz> umm
04:44 <Lizz> i got a question lol
04:44 <mkzelda> i figured that out when the guy pointed it at me
04:44 <Vanhayes> Lizz: another one?
04:45 <Lizz> umm coz i have high ping.. if the rubber is set at say ummm 20.. and my meter shows it as 20.. umm i dont get more that others coz my ping is high do i?
04:45 <Lizz> yeah vanners lol
04:45 <Lizz> *than
04:45 <spidey> regaurdless
04:45 <Vanhayes> depends on the server
04:45 <Lizz> o.O
04:45 <spidey> no
04:45 <spidey> if she has high ping, and cycle_Rubber_ping is set
04:46 <spidey> she gets more rubber
04:46 <spidey> default it's set
04:46 <Lizz> how do u kno if its set
04:46 <spidey> it is
04:46 <Vanhayes> ya, so it depends on the server
04:46 <spidey> micro has it set to 12
04:46 <Lizz> so do i get more?
04:46 <spidey> which is really high
04:46 <spidey> ya
04:46 <mkzelda> wow sweet
04:46 <mkzelda> ima abuse that
04:46 <spidey> haha
04:46 <Lizz> no wonder they think i cheat :(
04:47 <spidey> haha
04:47 <spidey> fuck them
04:47 <mkzelda> if i cared to play there
04:47  * Lizz uninstalls tron
04:47 <mkzelda> cheater
04:47 <spidey> LOL
04:47 <mkzelda> lizz = wizzee?
04:47 <Lizz> yes
04:47 <spidey> ya
04:47 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: ... good, let them shoot the idiot trying to tow me
04:48 <Vanhayes> love thy neighbor, or something
04:48 <spidey> luke-jr_, omg!!!!! look out the window!!! they're towing your car!
04:48 <mkzelda> no, they dont shoot ppl who want to get ppl towed
04:48 <mkzelda> they shoot ppl trying to stop them
04:48 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: then they get arrested and sent to jail
04:48 <mkzelda> well, sorta
04:48 <Vanhayes> self defence
04:48 <mkzelda> law has way too much protection for them
04:48 <mkzelda> yea
04:49 <mkzelda> and u dont even wanna know how bad they fuck up your car when they tow it
04:49 <luke-jr_> not if they shoot someone for no good reason
04:49 <mkzelda> they have a good reason
04:49 <luke-jr_> nope
04:49 <mkzelda> yep
04:49 <spidey> ii wanna shoot luke
04:49 <Vanhayes> good enough to hold up in most courts
04:49  * spidey becomes a tower
04:49 <luke-jr_> I'm simply stopping them from theft
04:49 <mkzelda> luke-jr_vs the world
04:49 <spidey> lol
04:50 <mkzelda> "everyone else is wrong but me"
04:50 <Vanhayes> do you have written permission to be ther?
04:50 <mkzelda> gotta quit trying to fight the system
04:50 <mkzelda> ya, do you have the appropriate paperwork?
04:50 <Vanhayes> I denie there is a system at all so there for I can not lose
04:51 <Vanhayes> cant lose to something that doesnt exist
04:51 <mkzelda> i used to think this way
04:51 <mkzelda> until i got proven otherwise
04:51 <mkzelda> in a court of law
04:51 <Vanhayes> ya im still waiting for that, heh
04:51 <mkzelda> ya it'll happen eventually
04:51 <mkzelda> we all shed our invulnerability some time
04:52 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: yes, I have permission
04:52 <Vanhayes> written?
04:53 <Vanhayes> and is it by the goverment?
04:53 <Vanhayes> or whoever owns the side walks in the US
04:53 <Vanhayes> im guessing the goverment but you never know
04:53 <spidey> government owns anything like 3-6 ft from the road
04:53 <spidey> i think
04:54 <spidey> O.o
04:56 <Vanhayes> hmm pretty sure its just the side walks, seeing as we own our land and it has no side walk beside it
04:57 <Vanhayes> and if they do own it Im getting them to mow it from now on
04:57 <spidey> haha
04:57 <spidey> well
04:57 <spidey> they mow ours
04:57 <spidey> well more like spray it
04:57 <spidey> kills the weeds and stuff 
04:58 <spidey> all the way up and down this road
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05:13 <luke-jr_> well, 911 works
05:13 <spidey> ?
05:13 <luke-jr_> calling 911 from my VoIP phones
05:13 <spidey> lol
05:16 <Vanhayes> I wouldnt call 911 untill he pulls the gun tho
05:16 <spidey> haha
05:17 <Vanhayes> cause he is only doing his job up untill that point
05:18 <mkzelda> if he hasnt hooked the car up, and you're at the scene
05:18 <mkzelda> he cant legally take it
05:18 <mkzelda> cause you can just get in the car and do circles around his ass
05:18 <Vanhayes> lol
05:19 <mkzelda> i think it'd be funnier if you parked your car in such a way that when he tries to get it, he'd be trapped if you pull in behind him
05:20 <mkzelda> and then you tell him 'oh you dont like that? now you know how i feel'
05:20 <mkzelda> cause he gets paid per tow, so he's burning time if you dont let him leave
05:21  * mkzelda has contempt for tow companies and would really like to bomb ace towing
05:21 <mkzelda> i'll have my revenge even if its 15 yrs from now
05:21 <mkzelda> nobody points a gun at me, and gets away with if (assuming they didnt use it)
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05:27 <spidey> mmm
05:27 <mkzelda> Lizz, that was me kidding w/ you
05:27 <Lizz> :-((
05:28 <spidey> O.o
05:28 <Lizz> ur dook?
05:28 <Lizz> O.O
05:28 <mkzelda> ya
05:28 <spidey> hahaha
05:28  * Lizz kicks mk up the butt
05:29 <Lizz> :P
05:29 <Lizz> u spoiled my game u goober :P lol
05:30 <mkzelda> :D
05:30 <mkzelda> i kept saying i was joking
05:30 <mkzelda> i figured u'd catch the referencwe
05:30 <mkzelda> nobody is there anymore
05:30 <Lizz> u still dreaming about me and ota being married?? :P
05:31 <Lizz> lmao u scared them away
05:31 <Lizz> serves u rught :P
05:31 <Lizz> right*
05:31 <mkzelda> :D
05:31 <spidey> hahah
05:31 <mkzelda> ive never tried that server before
05:31  * Lizz pounces on dook and slaps him
05:31 <Lizz> its fun :)
05:32 <mkzelda> ya
05:32 <Lizz> cept when some cocky smartass calls u a cheater :P
05:32 <mkzelda> where did that ability to respawn come from?
05:32 <Lizz> ask luke
05:32 <spidey> cheater
05:32 <Lizz> dunno
05:32  * Lizz punches spider btwn his 8 hairy legs
05:32 <Lizz> :D
05:33 <spidey> O.o
05:33 <Lizz> haha
05:34 <Lizz> and sorry dook.. but so many ppl have called me a cheat lately in tron wouldnt of connected dook to u
05:34 <Lizz> ;-)
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> Lizz: quit cheating and we'll quit calling you cheater
05:34 <Lizz> looceee?
05:35 <Lizz> brb
05:35  * Lucifer_arma notes that his irc client doesn't highlight lines that contain "looceee"
05:35 <mkzelda> she's trying to cheat the system
05:35 <Lizz> rofl
05:35 <Lizz> and winning
05:36 <Lizz> :P
05:36 <mkzelda> so that she can talk to you w/o setting off alarms
05:36 <Lizz> heh he prolly silences me anyway lmao
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> room sure is quiet all of a sudden
05:37 <Lizz> testing? 1 2 3?
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> how long can I make this monologue?
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> what is a monologue?
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> ah hell, I'm a go smoke, nobody's here anyway
05:38 <mkzelda> oh hey Lucifer_arma
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: ?
05:38 <mkzelda> go smoke
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> you broke my monologue!
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> ;)
05:39  * Lizz glad she is silenced coz she can do naughty things to loocee without him knowing :D
05:39 <guru3> argh i can't believe i'm up this early
05:39 <guru3> damn whatever it is that woke me up
05:39 <Lizz> morning guru
05:39 <Lizz> blame loocee guru
05:39 <Lizz> :D
05:40 <luke-jr_> got the cops involved
05:40 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: how is it his job to bother me?
05:41 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: respawn comes from z-man
05:42 <mkzelda> that is nice
05:42 <mkzelda> its funny ive been thinking about trying something like that
05:43 <mkzelda> the interruption of play was always a prob
05:44 <luke-jr_> yeah
05:44 <Vanhayes> arrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhh I just spilt yogurt all over my key board
05:44 <Lizz> o.O
05:45 <Lizz> what flavour?
05:45 <Vanhayes> it slipt and landed upside down on my key board
05:45 <Vanhayes> black berry
05:45  * Lizz tries not to laugh out loud
05:45 <Lizz> i like cherry :D
05:47 <Vanhayes> hmm not as bad as i thought, only got on the number pad and right and down arrows 
05:47 <Lizz> be careful green fur dosent start growing out ur keys :/
05:50 <Vanhayes> 13
05:50 <Vanhayes> 21213
05:50 <Vanhayes> 2
05:50 <Lizz> lmao
05:51 <Vanhayes> 113232133221111111111111111111111111111111111111114
05:51 <Vanhayes> 34
05:51 <Vanhayes> 14
05:51 <Vanhayes> 2-19+76
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> do that in a different window
05:52 <Vanhayes> 2-19+76
05:52 <Vanhayes> 1
05:52 <Lizz> yeah do it in PM to looceee lmao
05:52 <mkzelda> what do they cops have to say luke-jr_ 
05:52 <Vanhayes> hmm I think I got it all
05:53 <Lizz> u pull ur keys off?
05:53 <Vanhayes> the 0 and ./del
05:53 <Lizz> nods
05:54 <Vanhayes> it was pretty disgusting, the dust and hair combined with the yogurt to make a sort of hairy mush
05:55 <Lizz> :/ ewwwwwwwwwwww
05:55 <guru3> thanks for that lovely image Vanhayes 
05:55 <Vanhayes> heh np
05:56 <Vanhayes> at least you didnt have to clean it up
05:56  * Lizz makes note to herself never to eat yoghurt at her puter
05:56 <Vanhayes> it was the only thing I could find to eat
05:57 <Vanhayes> now I only have half left
05:57 <Lizz> im having lasagne tonite.. u want some of that?
05:57 <Vanhayes> ya send some over
05:57 <Lizz> k will do
05:57 <Vanhayes> wheres that roast beef btw?
05:57 <Lizz> erm... i didnt send it?
05:58 <Vanhayes> must not have gotten here yet
05:58 <Lizz> well thats a bugga
05:58  * Lizz express sends the lasagne
05:59 <Vanhayes> 0.
06:00 <Vanhayes> luke-jr_: a towers job is to tow cars, if that bothers the towee Thats not his fault
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06:16 <guru3> p
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06:22 <luke-jr_> Vanhayes: there's no tower involved
06:22 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: the troublemaker claimed he was just concerned for the handicapped :o
06:22 <luke-jr_> and that he didn't push me, but really just patted me down
06:22 <luke-jr_> but they said he's been made aware he won't get away with doing any damage
06:22 <luke-jr_> I gave em a CD with the IM log and recording of the stuff
06:23 <luke-jr_> I had my cell phone in my pocket dialed into my home phone server to record everything
06:23 <luke-jr_> =p
06:23 <luke-jr_> I just wish it got more recorded than it did
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06:30 <Lucifer_arma> it sure took long enough for my client to reconnect
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06:33 <Compn1> <~ kamakazi
06:35 <spidey> ah
06:35 <spidey> here we go
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06:35 <spidey> O.o
06:35 <Compn1> heh
06:35 <Compn1> spidey
06:35 <spidey> Vanhayes, 
06:35 <spidey> scome to to us fort
06:35 <spidey> s;D
06:36 <Vanhayes> hey Compn1 / kama
06:36 <Vanhayes> US fort?
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06:36 <luke-jr_> deathmatch?
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06:37 <luke-jr_> Gamma Server!
06:37 <luke-jr_> =p
06:38 <Compn1> hehe
06:38 <Compn1> gamma is fun
06:38 <Compn1> WS practice @ us fortress
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06:42 <luke-jr_> wow
06:42 <luke-jr_> I'm halfway across the country, and I got < 30 ms ping on Gamma Server
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06:55 <Vanhayes> #list
06:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
06:55 <Vanhayes> #list news
06:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: add, change, news, old, and remove
06:55 <Vanhayes> #news
06:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: News for #armagetron: (#4) Armabot now has a message command; (#9) testbug
06:55 <Compn1> hehe
06:56 <Compn1> hayes, why you follow me on wall?
06:56 <Vanhayes> wasnt really paying attention to the rubber lol
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07:02 <spidey> lol
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07:13 <spidey> hayes
07:13 <spidey> come back :p
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07:27 <Compn1> ok
07:27 <Compn1> long practice
07:27 <Compn1> nighjt
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07:47 <Lizz> oo ghosty
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08:11 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab
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08:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I'm so happy to see you back!  *kiss*
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08:50 <luke-jr_> all in favour of Pig being offered devship, say STY!
08:50 <luke-jr_> =p
08:50 <Lucifer_arma> STY
08:53  * luke-jr_ STY too, BTW
08:53 <luke-jr_> z-man: guru3: ping, you're probably the only really relevant people to this poll other than Lucifer_arma 
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> wasn't it mentioned a little while ago?
08:53 <luke-jr_> was it?
08:53 <Lucifer_arma> er, I'll add it to the thread going now, I guess we're all in agreement on that one :)
08:54 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, when we were talking about wrtlprnft and joda and them
08:54 <luke-jr_> o
08:55 <luke-jr_> it's interesting how Gamma Server got to the top of the master list in about 2-3 days
08:55 <luke-jr_> I know I was surprised =p
08:55 <luke-jr_> of course, it's dropped back down without players since...
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> also: be careful of that chilling thing.  I think everyone's interested in who comes into the project, so just because 2-3 admins agree early on doesn't mean you should keep quiet
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> that's a pretty important thing.  :)
08:57 <luke-jr_> chilling?
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> chilling
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> where, let's say someone has a divergent opinion, and in the course of regular discussion 2 or more admins around here voice agreement
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> so the person keeps his divergent opinion to himself
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> I know *you* wouldn't have that problem
08:59 <guru3> eh?
08:59 <guru3> what poll?
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> 2 or more admins agreeing does not constitute an admin decision, right?  There's something else required...
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> I mean, we could be talking about the price of beer, and z-man and I agree it's too expensive.  Does that mean beer is too expensive?
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> guru3: you want pig in the project?
09:00 <guru3> who?
09:00 <Lucifer_arma> groundpig, the guy that makes guns for light cycles
09:01 <guru3> not really
09:05 <spidey> mm
09:05 <spidey> i want x over ssh
09:05  * spidey googles it
09:06 <spidey> mmm
09:06 <spidey> it's possible to O.o
09:06 <spidey> http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/XoverSSH/X-over-SSH2.html
09:07 <guru3> of course it is
09:07 <spidey> mmm
09:07 <spidey> i'ma put linux on the other computer to
09:07 <spidey> and dualboot windows on this one
09:09 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: I replied
09:10 <luke-jr_> spidey: ssh -X ...
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09:18 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: I see it.  :)  To answer the question, yes, I think we should include content creators as developers.  If that wasn't obvious....
09:20 <Lucifer_arma> will my system actually run faster when it's built with gcc 4.1?
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09:39 <philippeqc> hi
09:40 <Lucifer_arma> hi
09:40 <philippeqc> luke-jr_: could you host archived resources on the res repo?
09:40 <philippeqc> hello Lucifer_arma 
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09:42 <philippeqc> I see many half solutions to the "map download" prob 
09:43 <philippeqc> a) client receive list of maps on join. Unless we prevent the player from joining until the client has received ALL the map, we risk having the client trying to download while the player play. 
09:46 <philippeqc> b) download next map on death. Gives a better distribution of the download, and more time to complete them. Shoudn't conflict with game play. Risk: situations where a great number of players are killed in a very short time ending the round will probably occur more with zones v2.
09:46 <philippeqc> a is good on case where maps are static, b) allows for more dynamic map creating
09:46 <philippeqc> creation
09:48 <Lucifer_arma> c) client download maps while the player plays, but bandwidth usage of the download is limited.  Download must happen in a separate thread as well.
09:48  * philippeqc re-read his own comments. I guess I woke up from the wrong side of the bed.
09:49 <Lucifer_arma> I don't have a ready solution, all I really have to offer is that this problem will get worse as we add resource types, so we should solve it pretty soon
09:50 <Lucifer_arma> so, Person X comes along and says "I'd like to give a donation, but I want to know the money will go to improve the game and not just line someone's pockets"
09:51 <philippeqc> d) pause game start till all the players gave a go (ie: are done downloading the map). Risk being abused by small time sript kiddies (minor problem). Ends up being a buffer problem: Giving a bigger buffer never solve the problem, it just lower the chances of it appearing. As soon as more data is incorporated into maps, this will come again.
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> this is hypothetical, of course
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> Person A is a developer that's making a living off revenue from the game.
09:51 <Lucifer_arma> does Person X decide it's not ok for the developer to pocket the money?  If so, why?
09:51 <philippeqc> now that luke is starting commercial hosting, I'm quite sure we can expect a steady flow of cash to come back to the project.
09:52 <philippeqc> ;)
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've decided from the get-go to run my budget program for-profit.  Makes sense to me.  :)
09:52 <Lucifer_arma> haven't had a release yet, but I'm working on the website right now.
09:53 <Lucifer_arma> I'm also going to turn my alarm clock into a for-profit project, but I've decided to worry about that after the Qt4 port and the next release
09:53 <philippeqc> Should we push AA in that direction?
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> personally, I'm trying to push all of my pursuits into for-profit directions.  So I'd be interested.
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> aha, but the player has a question to answer.  :)
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> Does he give money to the game developer?  Technically, the game developer is going to "line his pockets" with it
09:54 <Lucifer_arma> but making a living off the game means he's working full-time or so to improve it
09:54  * philippeqc tries to figure how many hours i sat on the toilet, trying to debunk the concept of monitors for zones....
09:55  * Lucifer_arma wonders why you'd try to debunk to concept of monitors for zones on the toilet when you've got Vexed
09:55 <philippeqc> monitor being a word I invented 
09:55 <philippeqc> for that thing I want them to do
09:56 <philippeqc> vexed????
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> http://vexed.sourceforge.net/
09:56 <Lucifer_arma> that's what I do on the toilet when I'm out of books, at least
09:57 <philippeqc> and me who had great hopes that vexed would be a new design pattern of sorts ;)
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> didn't know they had another release, I better download it
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> heh
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> actually, there are two things I find tend to improve my ability to think, and Vexed is one of them.
09:57 <Lucifer_arma> (the other is playing bass)
09:58 <philippeqc> I've heard that there was a big site of OSS projects. People go and say "I'd be ready to pay X$ to get feature Y". If you too want the feature, you can add money to it, making it more interesting. Developers are free to accept or not at any point.
10:00 <philippeqc> that MIGHT be a more adequate model for us, as we are far from any steady income from the project.
10:04 <anjori> that's what's done with some drupal modules.
10:04 <philippeqc> is it working for them?
10:04 <anjori> no idea :P
10:06 <philippeqc> humm, a content management framework used by the onion is bound to have a few more interested parties than a game like us. 
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's also used by the Cutting Board and the Wok.
10:07 <Lucifer_arma> er
10:07  * Lucifer_arma goes back to his article
10:07 <anjori> it's been interesting to see the variety of sites that have incorporated it over the last year
10:07 <philippeqc> must............. resist................. doing............... a spidey................. on.................... lucifer
10:07  * Lucifer_arma slaps Lucifer_arma
10:08 <anjori> heh
10:08 <philippeqc> haaaaa, that felt good.
10:08 <Lucifer_arma> the secret's in the accounting, I think.
10:08 <anjori> the official site for the artist, moby, also uses it
10:09 <Lucifer_arma> we funnel all the revenue (heh) into one place, then distribute it to all our expenses, and then split what's left
10:09 <philippeqc> I'd be ready to see such a model on us. Not that I really beleive that we would actually get more than some marginal bounty, but maybe the well would start rolling.'
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> in general terms, I"m interested in a model that does several things.
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> 1.  rewards us financially for working as a team :)
10:10 <anjori> oh, and i was listening to the TWIT podcast, and i forget the name of the company, but they will be building a new mtv.co.uk site with drupal
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> 2.  pushes services instead of code.  services derive from code.
10:10 <philippeqc> 5 USD / ~20 (content and code) developers, applied to my broadband access. ;)
10:10 <anjori> i think that would be a true test. if it can support a site of that size.
10:10 <Lucifer_arma> 3.  Never puts us in a situation where we don't accept new developers because it would lower our incomes to add them to the split
10:11 <philippeqc> services?
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> services
10:11 <Lucifer_arma> in a feature oriented or code oriented pay system, who's going to waste time moderating the forums, fixing the broken wiki, or any of that stuff?
10:11 <philippeqc> maybe my own desing and coding mentality is too oriented toward the core of the game to see that.
10:12 <philippeqc> ooooo! ok, the team model you propose would also reward my work, even though I would not be the one going for the bounties, but instead adding value for all.
10:12  * anjori hopes to one day learn his shit and join you guys. alas, i think i may die first ;)
10:12 <philippeqc> start to see the wisdom of lucifer's argument
10:13 <philippeqc> anjori: how old are you, can you program (event though just a bit and in a different language)
10:14 <philippeqc> anjori: non programing task exist too, and are sadly looked down upon. DOCUMENTATION. if you can actually express yourself in an adequate manner, you have a GREAT future there.
10:15 <philippeqc> just take my "making maps by hand" document, and actually write it in something that doesnt try to be a rfc. THAT will be of great value. 
10:15 <anjori> 20. not enough that i would call it "programming".  switched to linux about a year-year 1/2 ago, interested in learning bash and python right now.
10:16 <philippeqc> try to set up a server, use the documentation on the wiki. When you encounter problems, or lack in the documentation, note them down. Once you have a server running, you probably have a good idea of what could be done about that doc to improve it.
10:16 <anjori> i suppose i'm a late bloomer, and envious of those who were exposed at an early age
10:16 <philippeqc> CONTENT CREATION: this ball is starting to roll. Maps, models, textures, HUD. 
10:17 <spidey> O.o
10:17 <philippeqc> anjori, dont let yourself be fooled by that.... look at me. I'm still learning my shit. ;)
10:18 <philippeqc> Should you decided you want to learn C++, there is one EXTREMELY good book that is FREE. Search for "Annotation C++"
10:18 <philippeqc> www.icce.rug.nl/documents/cpp.shtml 
10:18 <philippeqc> This book is GREAT
10:18 <wrtlprnft> o_O luke-jr_
10:18 <philippeqc> hi wrtlprnft 
10:18 <wrtlprnft> o_O luke-jr_'s hosting got more expensive
10:19 <wrtlprnft> hi philippeqc 
10:19 <wrtlprnft> #morning
10:19 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft [f]
10:19 <wrtlprnft> no point if someone deleted the fortune alias
10:20 <philippeqc> o yeah! Bad luke-jr_ bad bad bad. I actually liked the other prices better. (not just because they where cheaper, but because it didnt feel like you bloated the per slot price to the nearest quarter
10:20 <anjori> i picked up O'Reilly's "Learning the bash Shell" and "Learning Python" awhile back, to give you an idea of where i'm starting.
10:21 <philippeqc> better start now than when you are 25, or 30.
10:21 <anjori> though i've put off actually reading them as of late :-/
10:21 <philippeqc> dont do the same mistake I do. Dont look to what you did wrong, cause there will always be a LOT of that. Look to what you CAN do right. And do it.
10:22 <philippeqc> I guess your on vacation from school now?
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> whoah, slow down :)
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> first, every single programming book I've ever read, no matter what the author said, threw concepts out the window and focused on the language
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> what you need to do is learn the concepts of programming
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> every tutorial I've seen on the internet is the same.  Those of us who were exposed at an early age only have the advantage of years,
10:24  * philippeqc takes his drill seargent voice: You must be the worst bunch of lame ass programmer ever. You will close down that browser and get your gooddarn nose into your book right now and give me 3 study blits of one hour each, cut with a 10 minute break WITHOUT COMPUTER. Go go go go go go!
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> but the material sucks just as much then as it does now
10:24 <Lucifer_arma> now, I suggested python instead of bash as a good place to start because it'll let you focus on the concepts :)
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> unfortunately, every python tutorial I've seen has completely ignored such things
10:25 <philippeqc> c++ annotation actually manage to cover the language. ALL the language! I really mean ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the C++ language, and all the OO concepts
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> does it throw a lot of technobabble at you?
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> that's another problem, and it's the reason I'm writing a double-entry bookkeeping tutorial :)
10:26 <philippeqc> nope, just uses the right terms for the right description. 
10:26 <anjori> well, i can't just jump right in without some kind of a guide :P
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> where are you at?  what do you know right now?
10:26 <philippeqc> anjori: start at page 1, and go from there. 
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> also, how much math have you studied?
10:26 <anjori> looking at a python interpreter in the past, i was completely lost. at least now i know some of the types of things i can input
10:27 <anjori> very little. as i said, i've been lazy lately. i need to force myself to get back into it.
10:28 <philippeqc> anjori: a friend said it best "you learn math through a pen. You have to actually sit down, and do the exercises. And redo them." Now applied to programming: Read, do the examples, make yourself some more examples. Repeat.
10:28 <anjori> not far into the book, just read a chapter on numbers, now on strings
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> very little = I know all about loops and functions?
10:28 <anjori> indexing and slicing is the last topic i remember that was covered
10:28 <anjori> nope :P
10:28  * anjori is a noob.
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> ok, define "program" for me.  What is a program?
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> also, how much math have you studied?  :)
10:30 <anjori> heh, putting me on the spot here? :P  i feel stupid against a channel of programmers.
10:30 <anjori> and, ugh. i am bloody horrible at math.
10:31 <philippeqc> anjori: change that mentality around. STOP focusing on what you cant, DO focus on what you CAN.
10:31 <Lucifer_arma> that's right.  :)
10:31 <anjori> i know. need to work on the self-esteem, too :)
10:31  * Lucifer_arma suppresses the cheeky-comment urge
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> so have you studied algebra?  functions?
10:32 <anjori> don't withhold on my accord
10:32 <Lucifer_arma> ok, fine.  I hear cocaine does wonders for the self-esteem
10:32 <philippeqc> so I guess you are a student and are currently on vacation, and seeing you are on IRC on a week day, you have some free time. Better put that to use.
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, put it to use telling me what a program is.  I seem to hae forgotten
10:33 <Lucifer_arma> maybe it's because I'm wearing my writer hat right now
10:34 <anjori> not a student. though it's something i may like to pursue in the future.
10:34 <anjori> i tend to think i'm better at being self-taught.
10:35 <philippeqc> ok, so what is there to prevent you to sit your ass on the chair and stuck your nose in the book and actually start?
10:36 <philippeqc> bbiaw
10:36 <anjori> i would say, very simply, a program is something that operates on an assigned task.
10:36 <anjori> wrong answer? :P
10:37 <anjori> philippeqc: nothing. i just like to put such things off when i get intimidated or frustrated by them. again, self-esteem.
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> that's a good working definition.  It's actually better than what I normally hear.  :)
10:38 <Lucifer_arma> ok, how does a program accomplish its task?
10:42 <anjori> by obeying the writer's instructions, and hoping he knows his shit.
10:42 <anjori> honestly,  i'm not sure how to answer that.
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> :)
10:43 <Lucifer_arma> how to ask the question....hmmmm......
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> let's say you go to accomplish some task, like cooking a meal
10:44 <Lucifer_arma> what do you do?
10:46 <anjori> pop it in the microwave, and eat? :P
10:47 <anjori> gather an idea of required ingredients, follow a course of actions how much of each ingredient i need and how to use them, and hopefully have an edible result.
10:47 <Lucifer_arma> eat while it's still in the microwave?
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> ok, so you start from the beginning, work each step in sequence, and go through to the end?
10:48 <anjori> indeed
10:48 <Lucifer_arma> along the way you may have decisions to make?
10:48 <anjori> yes
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> will those decisions affect the overall steps you take?
10:49 <Lucifer_arma> like, can the outcome of a decision cause you to take completely different steps from that point on?
10:50 <anjori> certainly
10:50 <Lucifer_arma> can the outcome of a decision cause the steps you take from that point to be the same, only using different ingredients?
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10:51 <anjori> well, that, or preparation and cooking methods
10:52 <Lucifer_arma> and finally :) , can the outcome of a decision cause you to return to an earlier step and continue from there?
10:52 <Fonkay> no one is playing arma
10:53 <Fonkay> i think it's the deadest i've seen it in a long time
10:53 <Fonkay> what else will keep me occupied for 20 mins before work
10:54 <anjori> you explaining loops here? :P
10:54 <Lucifer_arma> loops and conditionals
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> how do you know which step you're on?
10:55 <anjori> i have a general concept of loops
10:55 <Lucifer_arma> well, I asked what you know
10:55 <anjori> i.e. continue action as long as such condition is true, else do this.
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'll skip that last question.  just keep in mind that "stack pointer" usually refers to which instruction you're on at any given point in time
10:56 <Lucifer_arma> the call stack then is a pile that contains previous instructions.  :)
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> so, when you break a task down into parts, ummm
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> ok, you break a task down into parts :)
10:57 <Lucifer_arma> generally you go from general to more specific
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10:58 <Lucifer_arma> like, you say "cut the vegetables", then "cut the celery", then "dice the celery", then "pick up the knife, hold it thisaway, cut thisaway"
10:58 <Lucifer_arma> one of the hardest parts about programming that never goes away is following that process, taking a series of general steps and turning them into specific steps that you can code
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> luckily, the inverse of that is also true.  If you already have a series of specific steps that you've coded, you can use some of those steps in another program
10:59 <Lucifer_arma> you already knew that part, though, right?
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> so, what you wind up with is you need a way to group steps together
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> from looping, you already know that you group a series of steps together inside the loop and just do the same thin over and over
11:00 <Lucifer_arma> what do you do when you want to use those same steps that were inside the loop, but you want to use them somewhere else?
11:04 <anjori> not sure i know how to answer that, either.
11:04 <anjori> i think a part of the problem is i get the general idea, but i have trouble remembering/assosciating the terminology
11:06 <anjori> or is that where functions come in? i've only very roughly read about them in bash
11:06 <Lucifer_arma> that's where functions come in, and it would help if you've studied functions in the context of algebra or something like that.
11:07 <Lucifer_arma> basically, a function (also called a procedure in some languages under some circumstances) is a collection of steps that accomplish a very specific task
11:09 <Lucifer_arma> the terminology is pretty important, actually, but like philippeqc said, you have to get in and do it to get it straight.
11:10 <Lucifer_arma> so you want to make a function when you find yourself doing the same thing a lot, where "a lot" is subjective.  If you find yourself copying and pasting code from one part of a program to another, you should make it a function and have both parts call the function instead.
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> that's all wrapped up in flow control.  :)  You control the flow of your program with loops, conditionals, and functions, and nothing else.
11:11 <Lucifer_arma> Even if the language provides other ways to do it, you really shouldn't.  ;)
11:12 <Lucifer_arma> have you encountered the word "pseudocode" yet?
11:14 <anjori> no
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> ok, pseudo code is basically a recipe :)
11:15 <Lucifer_arma> it's using plain english to write out the steps you need to execute to accomplish your task
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> a common way to work on programs, and imo the best way to start, is to forget about language and write pseudocode
11:16 <anjori> outlining and breaking down steps, you mean?
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> right
11:16 <Lucifer_arma> I mentioned starting with more general steps and then making more specific steps
11:16 <anjori> a tip the bash book provided, actually. just need to remember to put it into practice :)
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> you can do that with pseudocode, and at some point you will find code-able steps in there
11:17 <Lucifer_arma> to be honest, you should do it now.  :)  Just work with pseudocode, discipline yourself to do it!
11:17 <anjori> yeah, i need to start forming good habits as a go along, from the beginning
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> you can throw it away later if you like, but the most frustrating part I always had when I was just starting was fighting the syntax of the language while trying to learn how to write it
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't call it a good habit, just a good way to learn :)
11:18 <Lucifer_arma> there are lots of different viewpoints on how to write a program :)
11:19 <anjori> well, my problem is i just want to jump in and "do it". so i think about things more generally than the specific steps that would be required
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> so, take a program and first write it out in pseudocode, seriously.  Then you look at each step you wrote, and first you ask "is it in the right order?"
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> each successive step depends on all of the ones before it, so you look at what each step depends on
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> then you take steps that are general and make them more specific
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> put labels and stuff to mark that you're iterating, like in a loop, or that <these steps> are outside the main body of steps
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> if you only work with pseudocode, you can teach yourself all sorts of stuff about programming without ever opening a book
11:20 <Lucifer_arma> of course, sooner or later you have to learn some language to make your programs actually run
11:21 <Lucifer_arma> there's also a method of design called top-down design that I think is very good to use when you're learning, but should be thrown away asap because it's useless for serious programming
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> that's where you write a general description of the program and then circle it
11:22 <Lucifer_arma> then you write around it some general tasks that need to be accomplished, circle each one and link it to the first one
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> then you take each circle in turn and write all the tasks needed, in the same manner, and connect
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> you create a large tree this way, and what you end up with on the bottom is a series of programmable steps
11:23 <Lucifer_arma> you should do it at least once in your life.  :)
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> in real life, I make regular use of flowcharts.  I frequently sit down with a piece of paper and draw flow charts to indicate how the program runs
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> and then use the flow charts while I'm coding
11:24  * anjori nods
11:24 <Lucifer_arma> all of these are things you do independently of language, obviously, and apply to any language.
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> so I'd suggest you take a couple of simple programs you can conceive of, or dig up from the internet or in your books or whatever and write out some pseudocode,
11:25 <Lucifer_arma> maybe draw a flow-chart, do the top-down design thing at least once in your life
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> then google up some trivial scripts, bash, python, whatever, and read them.  Rewrite them in pseudocode, draw flowcharts, etc.
11:26 <Lucifer_arma> after youv'e done those things, take either your bash or your python book and work through it start-to-finish.  :)
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, that namepicker script I wrote is a good example of the kind of script you should read.  Not because it's well-written, it's not.
11:28  * anjori has already got one script of someone else's in mind he'd like to either rewrite or modify and add on to
11:28 <Lucifer_arma> but because it doesn't do much
11:29 <anjori> i'd like to look more closely at that one to, and understand what everything actually does.
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> ok, there you go.  Here's an assignment for you.  :)  Write it up in pseudocode and send it to me.  PM or whatever
11:29 <Lucifer_arma> need a due date?  ;)
11:32 <anjori> heh, sure. though is that something i can construct at this point without understanding the code itself?
11:33 <anjori> meaning, can i write out what steps are needed and to do what, without understanding what they say?
11:34 <anjori> i've barely touched on python thus far. but can look at most bash scripts and understand, at least generally, what it is they do
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> yes, you can
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> you might have to look some stuff up in the python documentation, and feel free to ask me
11:38 <Lucifer_arma> like ",".join()  .  what does that do?
11:38 <anjori> i think that will be my question for most things? ;)
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's not easy to find, but it takes a list and joins them into a single string where each item is separated by a comma
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> so, you have a list like this:
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> something
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> something else
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> another thing
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> and then you ",".join(thatlist) and you get:
11:39 <Lucifer_arma> something,something else,another thing
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11:40 <Lucifer_arma> it'll mostly make sense, I'll wager.  :)  More important than that, it's language, and like any language, you generally learn to read it before you write it
11:40 <Lucifer_arma> which is backwards compared to what books and classes and stuff usually teach, if that gives you any idea of my opinion on how this stuff is normally taught...
11:41 <Lucifer_arma> I don't think being a computer language makes it different than a human language.  Seems like you still do better if you work on reading it first, writing it second
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> go back to cooking.  :)  Can you write a recipe if you don't know how to cook?
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> er
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> no, that's wrong
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> can you write a recipe if you don't know how to read a recipe?
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> it's late :)
11:42 <Lucifer_arma> and I'm working on my double entry bookkeeping article, heh
11:47 <anjori> well, it's pretty late here, too, so why don't we leave it there for now. but i appreciate you taking the time to give your insights and explain this stuff to such a novice. :)
11:50 <Lucifer_arma> :)  np.  You did catch me in a teaching mood, since I'm writing a howto for double entry bookkeeping.
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, I'm calling it quits there so I can get some sleep before class.
11:51 <philippeqc> cya
11:51 <Lucifer_arma> http://dsbp.davefancella.com/howto/doubleentry.php  <--- here's where I"m at, I would appreciate some proof-reading
11:52 <anjori> well, you've sat up and explained things to me in the past, too. which provides some much needed encouragement.
11:53  * anjori will give it a read, but it'll have to wait 'til tomorrow
11:54 <philippeqc> need a name for a type. its a triad {false, true, ignore}. 
11:55 <philippeqc> anyone got something smart?
11:58 <Lucifer_arma> triad?
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> all it FirstFifthEighth
11:59 <philippeqc> enum of 3 times
11:59 <philippeqc> types
11:59 <philippeqc> dont listen to my brain today
11:59 <Lucifer_arma> no, I was suggesting triad as a name :)
11:59 <philippeqc> it is faking litteracy
12:00 <philippeqc> o ok
12:00 <philippeqc> what is the FirstFifthEighth
12:00 <philippeqc> dont get it
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> um, it's a triad
12:00 <philippeqc> google?
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> er
12:00 <Lucifer_arma> play guitar?
12:00 <philippeqc> shamefull look... no
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> a power chord is first and fifth, a triad is a power chord plus the first from the next octave
12:01 <philippeqc> ok
12:01 <Lucifer_arma> ack, I better go to bed before I teach philippeqc how to play guitar.  He should catch me on another day if he wants me to do that :)
12:02 <philippeqc> ok, I'll keep you on that offer
12:02 <philippeqc> nigthy night. 
12:04 <anjori> 'night, Lucifer_arma.
12:20 <spidey> lol
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12:53 <cusco> dudes
12:53 <cusco> how can I have both
12:53 <cusco> 0.3 and 0.2.8
12:53 <cusco> installed?
12:56 <philippeqc> you should be able. You might want to give it different install directions so as nothing is over written. Sadly, my knowledge of this is limited as a) I dont use Windows (should you be using it) b) I've NEVER installed it, as I always have a couple of copies with different modification lying side by side
12:56 <philippeqc> search the forum, IIRC something was discussed about that.
12:57 <cusco> why should I be using windows?
12:57 <philippeqc> then use answer b
12:58 <cusco> where do you run your binary files from then'
12:58 <cusco> I was looking at the configure --help option
12:58 <cusco> I could just use "--program-suffix=SUFFIX"
12:58 <cusco> to make diferent binary files
12:58 <philippeqc> I go to the armagetronad diretory, and run ./bootstrap.sh
12:59 <cusco> but how about the configuration in /etc/?
12:59 <philippeqc> then I do the following:
12:59 <philippeqc> mkdir bin
12:59 <philippeqc> cd bin
12:59 <philippeqc> ../configure
12:59 <philippeqc> make
12:59 <philippeqc> ... wait ...
12:59 <philippeqc> ./src/armagetronad
12:59 <cusco> ah
12:59 <cusco> there is no "armagetronad" in src/
12:59 <philippeqc> this allows me to have a couple of bin side by side, and when I want to debug the code, I make some debug directories, and use:
13:00 <philippeqc> DEBUGLEVEL=3 CODELEVEL=2 ../configure
13:00 <philippeqc> if you have src, there you are in armagetronad
13:00 <cusco> ok ok hold on
13:00 <philippeqc> o ok
13:00 <philippeqc> got ya
13:00 <cusco> gonna take a while 
13:00 <philippeqc> in the directory where you ran configure and make, there WILL be a src dir
13:01 <cusco> its compiling
13:01 <philippeqc> good
13:01 <cusco> and after the "make install" they go away?
13:04 <philippeqc> I NEVER ran make install
13:04 <philippeqc> as I told you, I run it from that location
13:05 <philippeqc> this allows me to have many different binaries from the same source (like a regular bin and one for debuging, or a "client" and a "server", possibly with different compile options)
13:10 <cusco> you said you don't run. you could have done it once before 
13:11 <cusco> so I did not know that you NEVER ran that 
13:12 <philippeqc> I'm not angry at you, just saying that my knowledge ends at make. 
13:12 <philippeqc> you seemed on a rool, and I wanted to stop you before you did something thinking I told you to do it.
13:12 <philippeqc> ;)
13:12 <cusco> right but im feeling this attacking all mighty god feeling coming from you 
13:13 <philippeqc> if you DONT do make install, then you can have as many version as you want
13:13 <cusco> I see
13:13 <cusco> it just finisehd compiling
13:13 <cusco> its under src/ you say
13:13 <philippeqc> sorry, my brain is not fully on today, take me with a grain of salt
13:13 <philippeqc> where did you compile?
13:13 <cusco> cusco@Portatil:~/armagetronad/src$ ./armagetronad
13:13 <cusco> bash: ./armagetronad: No such file or directory
13:13 <philippeqc> cd bin
13:14 <philippeqc> ./src/armagetronad
13:14 <wrtlprnft> cusco: just say make run
13:14 <wrtlprnft> in the main dir, the same place where you said make
13:15 <cusco> right!
13:15 <philippeqc> I told him not to run make from the main dir (~/armagetronad), but instead to make a dir  and have the compilation there (such as ~/armagetronad/bin)
13:15 <wrtlprnft> and the executable is called armagetronad_main if you wanna run it directly
13:15 <philippeqc> o yes, sorry, tab completing is known to my fingers, but not my brain
13:15 <cusco> wrtlprnft: I did but look:
13:15 <wrtlprnft> heh, i know
13:15 <cusco> Internal Error: Internal error in static tLanguage* tLanguage::FindStrict(const tString&) in tools/tLocale.cpp:150 : Language British English not found.
13:15 <cusco> Please send a Bug report!
13:15 <wrtlprnft> gah
13:16 <wrtlprnft> you need to run it from the dir above src
13:16 <wrtlprnft> so you have to say src/armagetronad_main to run it
13:16 <cusco> I see..
13:16 <wrtlprnft> or it won't know where to find its data files
13:16 <cusco> is there a way I can say to use settings under ~/.armagetronad/
13:17 <wrtlprnft> install it
13:17 <wrtlprnft> make install
13:17 <philippeqc> lol
13:17 <cusco> lol
13:17 <wrtlprnft> ?
13:17 <philippeqc> he wanted to have multiple version on his hd
13:17 <cusco> wrtlprnft: can I also have 0.2.8 installed?
13:17 <wrtlprnft> yes
13:17 <cusco> that was my initial question
13:17 <philippeqc> so I said "dont install and run from where you compiled"
13:17 <cusco> I would like to be able to run both
13:17 <wrtlprnft> say ./configure --prefix=/some/dir
13:17 <wrtlprnft> then it will install into /some/dir
13:17 <cusco> wrtlprnft: how about the settings under /etc/?
13:18 <philippeqc> what is in  ~/.armagetronad ?
13:18 <cusco> philippeqc: there is recource textures var folders
13:18 <wrtlprnft> cusco: the settings will be separate too
13:19 <philippeqc> and config is in /etc ?
13:19 <cusco> wrtlprnft: hmm oki.. I already took a peek on the configure file
13:19 <wrtlprnft> i usually configure arma with ../configure --prefix=~/armasvn
13:19 <cusco> I can use --program-suffix=SUFFIX right?
13:19 <wrtlprnft> uh, dunno what that one does
13:19 <cusco> " --program-suffix=SUFFIX            append SUFFIX to installed program names
13:19 <cusco> "~
13:20 <wrtlprnft> might work, no guarantee from me
13:20 <cusco> lol ok o k.. :|
13:20 <wrtlprnft> i only used --prefix and --disable-glout ;)
13:20 <cusco> my worry was that its is going to use files udner /etc/
13:20 <wrtlprnft> and the ability to set CXXFLAGS ;)
13:20 <cusco> and I don't know what those are
13:20 <cusco> both versions..
13:20 <philippeqc> cusco, just so you know, from this point on, you are one your own. It just nothing I've never done before, and a backup might be of value ;)
13:20 <wrtlprnft> --disable-glout builds a dedicated server
13:21 <wrtlprnft> --prefix=somedir installs everything into that dir (binaries, settings, resources, etc) but lets the executable use ~/.armagetronad
13:21 <cusco> hmm
13:21 <cusco> oki dooki
13:23 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: can you try to get the 0.2.8 ebuild into the gentoo-sunrise overlay? They might accept it
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14:39 <spidey> haha
14:39 <spidey> someone's going around town stealing the "R"s from signs
14:39 <spidey> they even stole the r's from a military outpost
14:45 <philippeqc> I'd suggest rounding up all the Richards, Rickys, Roberts and even a few Bobs just for good measure.
14:56 <spidey> lol
14:56 <spidey> the rasio said the only explanation is
14:56 <spidey> they're pirates
14:56 <spidey> O.o
14:59 <philippeqc> Or Ninjas trying to get the pirates in trouble!
14:59 <philippeqc> you live near the coast?
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15:36 <spidey> philippeqc, west tennessee
15:37 <guru3> that's close
15:41 <spidey> kinda but still a long way away :/
15:43 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/fortress/nano_sumo-0.1.3.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
15:52 <spidey> #insult anjori 
15:52 <armabot> anjori - You are nothing but an off-color coagulation of milk-livered gunk. 
16:09 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/chico_sumo-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/nans_sumo-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/octa_sumo-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/race_you-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/splat-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/sumo_1v1-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/sumo_spiral-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:11 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/fortress_long-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
16:18 <cusco> #armaservers
16:18 <cusco> #armaserver
16:18 <cusco> :(
16:19 <armabot> cusco: Tigers Network Classic Play (9 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (6 players) || Norm's Place (6 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's LowRubber {100MBit} (6 players) || Swampland in 2.7.1 (testing) (5 players) || Tigers Network Speed Blast (5 players) || home of Andy and . (3 players) || Pig Sty in (Teams, Shooting) (3 players) || armagetron.nixda.net (Original) (3 (1 more message)
16:26 <cusco> #more
16:26 <armabot> cusco: players) || Bugfarm Sumo (2 players) || ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Arena {100MBit} (2 players) || Laura Epsilon (small, high speed) (1 players) || Crazy Tronners Wild Battle Fortress (0 players) || Crazy Tronners Sumo Battle (0 players) || -|LoD|- Gran Prix Server Race (0 players)
16:31 <spidey> #g 200lbs in stones
16:31 <armabot> 200 pounds = 14.2857143 stones
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16:37 <luke-jr_> spidey: lala
16:37 <spidey> luke-jr_, lala
16:37 <luke-jr_> spidey: PM?
16:38 <spidey> ya
16:42 <luke-jr_> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/ Please comment on hosting costs, especially for the new stuff like mail and web =p
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16:49 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: what is sunrise?
16:50 <deja_vu_> low pings measured from where? :P
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16:55 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/fortress_long-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
17:09 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/sumo_1v1-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
17:09 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/octa_sumo-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
17:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/sumo_spiral-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
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17:30 <luke-jr_> deja_vu: measured from most people I've seen playing there
17:30 <luke-jr_> deja_vu: go play on Gamma Server and let me know your ping?
17:30 <luke-jr_> (usually best measured in the middle of a new round)
17:32 <deja_vu> uh..don't have 3d-accelleration right now^^
17:37 <luke-jr_> boo =p
17:38 <luke-jr_> that shouldn't affect ping
17:41 <luke-jr_> not much anyhow
17:46 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/fortress_long-0.0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
17:50 <wrtlprnft> #google gentoo sunrise
17:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.60 seconds: Project Sunrise Overlay - Trac: <http://gentoo-sunrise.org/>; / sunrise /x11-themes/qtcurve - Project Sunrise Overlay - Trac: <http://gentoo-sunrise.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/sunrise/x11-themes/qtcurve>; [ gentoo -council] Gentoo Sunrise : Problems, Solutions and Questions: <http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org/msg00058.html>; (2 more messages)
17:50 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: first one
17:55 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/fortress_purple-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
17:55 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/fortress_yellow-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
17:55 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: is it an official overlay? O.o
17:56 <wrtlprnft> no, but it's easy to use :)
17:56 <wrtlprnft> and it has some nice stuff already
17:56 <wrtlprnft> stumbled upon it when i wanted to install moreutils
17:57 <luke-jr_> actually, it is
17:57 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/ed/catfight/splat-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by ed
17:57 <luke-jr_> they just don't have overlays.g.o setup yet it seems
17:57 <luke-jr_> anyway, IMO it'd make more sense to setup our own overlay
17:57 <luke-jr_> and have them list it in their overlay list
17:57 <wrtlprnft> nope
17:58 <wrtlprnft> i don't want an overlay that contains one package
17:58 <luke-jr_> oh well
17:58 <luke-jr_> it wouldn't be one, in theory
17:58 <luke-jr_> it would be all the various versions, plus Arma tools
17:58 <luke-jr_> presuming we start releasing those
17:58 <wrtlprnft> various versions = one package
17:59 <luke-jr_> armagetron-mcpattack =p
17:59 <luke-jr_> acme
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17:59 <luke-jr_> z-man: hi
17:59 <luke-jr_> and here's the main advantage
18:00 <luke-jr_> we could just maintain the stuff in Svn =p
18:00 <luke-jr_> layman supports Svn overlays
18:00 <luke-jr_> but anyway, the reason I haven't done this all yet is because I need to update the ebuild first
18:01 <luke-jr_> and I might have more bugs in our build system that need fixing to do 0.3 ebuilds
18:01 <luke-jr_> --enable-multiver doesn't seem to change directory names
18:29 <spidey> #night
18:29 <armabot> Good night spidey!
18:50 <luke-jr_> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/overlays/layman-global.txt?rev=1.21&view=markup
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19:23 <Brooky> have any of you made a knoppix cd?
19:23 <Brooky> im having troubles
19:29 <wrtlprnft> not the most current one
19:29 <Brooky> how do i do it on windows
19:29 <Brooky> ?
19:30 <wrtlprnft> what program do you use to burn CDs?
19:30 <Brooky> nero
19:30 <Brooky> but i could use others
19:30 <Brooky> it came with pc
19:30 <wrtlprnft> change the extension from .iso to .nri
19:30 <wrtlprnft> then doublecluck
19:31 <Brooky> now what?
19:31 <wrtlprnft> uh, nero should pop up if you open it
19:31 <wrtlprnft> scratch that
19:31 <wrtlprnft> rename it to .nrg
19:32 <Brooky> ok
19:32 <Brooky> so i only need iso file?
19:32 <wrtlprnft> yes
19:32 <Brooky> ok
19:32 <Brooky> now what?
19:33 <wrtlprnft> doubleclick it
19:33 <wrtlprnft> nero should burn it then
19:35 <Brooky> ok
19:43 <Brooky> this is how it looks
19:43 <Brooky> http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sszi4.png
19:43 <Brooky> but....
19:43 <wrtlprnft> oh, you burned it already?
19:43 <Brooky> it wont boot on my computer
19:43 <Brooky> have now
19:43 <wrtlprnft> you might tell your BIOS to boot from CD
19:43 <Brooky> no
19:43 <wrtlprnft> *might have to
19:44 <Brooky> i set it first on list
19:44 <wrtlprnft> so what does it do when you reboot with the CD in the drive?
19:45 <Brooky> blanc screen for 5 seconds then win boots up
19:45 <Brooky> blank*
19:45 <luke-jr_> did you let the memory self-test run?
19:46 <Brooky> what do you mean by that?
19:46 <luke-jr_> the POST test
19:46 <luke-jr_> where it counts your memory
19:46 <Brooky> i think so
19:47 <Brooky> it just boots windows
19:47 <wrtlprnft> weird
19:47 <Brooky> but it tries to boot linux
19:47 <Brooky> but it doesnt
19:47 <wrtlprnft> does it access the CD drive?
19:47 <wrtlprnft> like, blinking LED?
19:47 <Brooky> yeah
19:48 <Brooky> it spins
19:48 <wrtlprnft> weird
19:48 <wrtlprnft> does it work on another computer?
19:48 <Brooky> havent tried
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19:48 <Brooky> i dont know how to access the bios settings on other computer
19:49 <wrtlprnft> if it's more or less modern it should boot from CD by itself
19:49 <Brooky> it is modern
19:49 <Brooky> its a new
19:49 <Brooky> medion computer
19:49 <luke-jr_> new 10 years ago =p
19:50 <wrtlprnft> that explains itr
19:50 <Brooky> it even has a credit card slot
19:50 <Brooky> loll
19:50 <luke-jr_> wtf is medion
19:50 <wrtlprnft> aldi firm
19:50 <luke-jr_> ...
19:50 <Brooky> lol
19:50 <Brooky> its good comp thou
19:50 <luke-jr_> obviously not if it can't boot CDs
19:50 <luke-jr_> =p
19:50 <wrtlprnft> well
19:50 <Brooky> i dont know how to access bios
19:50 <wrtlprnft> wait a couple of months and it might work
19:51 <Brooky> i think ill pass
19:51 <Brooky> lol
19:51 <wrtlprnft> medion PCs tend to use the cheapest hardware around, they aren't supported by linux immediately
19:51 <Brooky> i dont want it on that computer
19:51 <Brooky> i want it on my laptop
19:51 <Brooky> which is a dell
19:52 <wrtlprnft> does it boot other CDs, like the windows install one?
19:52 <Brooky> i dont kno
19:52 <Brooky> i dont have any others
19:52 <wrtlprnft> grr
19:53 <Brooky> so...
19:53 <Brooky> what do i do?
19:53 <wrtlprnft> dunno
19:53 <wrtlprnft> cry
19:53 <wrtlprnft> my dell works under linux
19:53 <Brooky> i dont want to
19:54 <Brooky> what did you do?
19:54 <wrtlprnft> nothing special
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19:54 <wrtlprnft> oh, what if you press F12 on boot?
19:54 <wrtlprnft> it should show a boot menu
19:54 <wrtlprnft> at least mine does
19:54 <Brooky> yeah it does
19:55 <wrtlprnft> what if you select the CDROM there?
19:55 <Brooky> ill try
19:55 <Brooky> brb
19:55 <Brooky> cya in abiyt
19:55 <Brooky> abit*
19:55 <wrtlprnft> cya
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20:03 <Brooky> No luck
20:03 <Brooky> :(
20:05 <wrtlprnft> hmm
20:06 <wrtlprnft> no clue, sorry
20:06 <Brooky> oh
20:07 <Brooky> :(
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20:10 <Brooky> is there any other way of getting linux?
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20:40 <Brooky> i know what was wrong
20:40 <Brooky> i was using the wrong burning settings
20:40 <Brooky> lol
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22:19 <Lucifer_arma> did anyone leave me any messages?
22:19 <Lucifer_arma> guess not
22:20 <wrtlprnft> poor Lucifer_arma 
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> nobody loves meeeeeee......anymo'
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> hey, why would df hang after it shows /tmp and then not show the rest?
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> er
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> why would df hang?
22:21 <wrtlprnft> ?!
22:21 <wrtlprnft> df shouldn't hang
22:21 <wrtlprnft> du might
22:21 <Lucifer_arma> df hangs
22:21  * wrtlprnft always mixes these two up
22:21 <wrtlprnft> maybe some nfs partition that needs timing out?
22:21  * Lucifer_arma wonders if it's looking for a nfs partition that isn't there anymore
22:22 <wrtlprnft> same thought :D
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it is
22:22  * wrtlprnft is currently emerging ruby for nemo's script
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> in mtab it's there
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> can I just remove a file from mtab, or will that bork shit?
22:22 <Lucifer_arma> er, partition, not file
22:23 <wrtlprnft> dunno
22:23 <wrtlprnft> afaik mtab is a symlink to /proc/mounts
22:23  * wrtlprnft has some SVG sitting here he created with openoffce draw o_O
22:24 <wrtlprnft> let's see how borked that will be
22:26 <wrtlprnft> hmm
22:26 <wrtlprnft> the script gives me an empty map
22:27 <wrtlprnft> gah, oodraw2 makes paths out of everything and nemo's script doesn't support them :S
22:27 <wrtlprnft> let's see how inkscape will perform
22:28 <wrtlprnft> gtk program, hope it's good :s
22:28 <wrtlprnft> #monologue
22:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Your current monologue is at least 10 lines long.
22:29 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577B9E23.versanet.de] has quit [Success]
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> #monologue
22:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> aha, it counts the line that you said #monologue!  BUG BUG BUG
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> BUG
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> BUG
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> BUG
22:31 <wrtlprnft> #monologue
22:31 <Lucifer_arma> #monologue
22:31 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Your current monologue is at least 6 lines long.
22:31 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
22:31 <wrtlprnft> awwww
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22:31 <Lucifer_arma> #dialog
22:32 <wrtlprnft> #dialogue
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> does anybody besides me ever read "wejp" and wonder if he wejped his butt?
22:32 <wrtlprnft> not me
22:32 <wejp> O.o
22:32 <wrtlprnft> o.O
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22:32 <Lucifer_arma> O.O
22:33 <wrtlprnft> #last --regex /^.{1,3}$/ --nolimit
22:33 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [15:33:44] <Lucifer_arma> O.O, [15:33:34] <wrtlprnft> o.O, [15:33:24] <wejp> O.o, [15:32:27] <Lucifer_arma> BUG, [15:32:26] <Lucifer_arma> BUG, [15:32:26] <Lucifer_arma> BUG, [15:27:06] <wrtlprnft> hmm, [15:22:07] <wrtlprnft> ?!, [15:21:58] <Lucifer_arma> er, [13:41:20] <Brooky> lol, [13:07:56] <Brooky> :(, [13:07:27] <Brooky> oh, [13:06:49] <wrtlprnft> hmm, [13:04:39] <Brooky> :(, (4 more messages)
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22:35 <Brooky> I got it working
22:35 <Brooky> :)
22:35 <wrtlprnft> :D
22:35 <Brooky> but
22:35 <Brooky> problem
22:36 <Brooky> i cant get my wireless working
22:36 <wrtlprnft> what card?
22:36 <Brooky> it was my first time on linux
22:36 <Brooky> and i was clueless
22:36 <Brooky> D link
22:36 <wrtlprnft> output of lspci?
22:36 <Brooky> Airpluss
22:36 <Brooky> erm
22:36 <Brooky> card
22:36 <Brooky> lol
22:36 <Brooky> DWL-650+
22:37 <wrtlprnft> http://theblackmoor.net/dlink.shtml <-- just googled that, maybe that might help
22:38 <wrtlprnft> get an intel card, those have native opensource drivers
22:38 <wrtlprnft> 01:03.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
22:39 <wrtlprnft> infact, that driver is even integrated into the kernel now, that means no more recompiling modules manually :)
22:40 <Brooky> so...
22:40 <Brooky> what shall i do?
22:40 <wrtlprnft> google
22:40 <Brooky> google what?
22:40 <wrtlprnft> for your card
22:41 <wrtlprnft> to see if there are any drivers
22:41 <Brooky> its PCMCIA my card
22:41 <wrtlprnft> though, if there was a driver it'd probably be included in knoppix
22:42 <Brooky> oh
22:43 <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> how to make text big in html?
22:43 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: stale NFS handle
22:43 <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr_: uhhh, how do I get rid of it?
22:43 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: <big>
22:43 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: pray :)
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> <SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> how to make text big in html?
22:44 <luke-jr_> that's one reason people don't like NFS
22:44 <luke-jr_> hehe
22:44 <Lucifer_arma> "Glory be to the great satan, please get rid of my stale nfs lock!"
22:44 <wrtlprnft> <SuPeRTaRD><SuPeRTaRD> <SuPeRTaRD> how to make text big in html?
22:44 <SuPeRTaRD> its not <size xx>
22:44 <luke-jr_> I've had success be ensuring something is on the remote IP and using umount -f
22:44 <luke-jr_> eg, make sure there's a Connection refused reply
22:45 <SuPeRTaRD> its <big> sample text </big>  ?
22:45 <luke-jr_> sure
22:45 <wrtlprnft> yes
22:45 <SuPeRTaRD> k
22:45 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: want to have your own arma server? :)
22:45 <SuPeRTaRD> ty !  :)
22:45 <wrtlprnft> stop spamming
22:45 <SuPeRTaRD> um
22:45 <SuPeRTaRD> i could run one from here
22:46 <SuPeRTaRD> prolly
22:46 <luke-jr_> not with low ping!
22:46 <SuPeRTaRD> i have dsl now
22:46  * Lucifer_arma thinks luke-jr_ should get involved with Amway so he can be even more annoying than he is right now
22:46 <luke-jr_> who?
22:46 <SuPeRTaRD> only 50k up
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> Amway.
22:46 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org :)
22:46 <Lucifer_arma> #google Amway
22:46 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Search took 0.43 seconds: Amway Corporation: <http://www.amway.com/>; Skeptic's Dictionary: Amway (Quixtar): <http://skepdic.com/amway.html>; Amway Sucks: <http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Amway/>; Amway - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amway>; Amway : The Continuing Story: <http://www.cocs.com/jhoagland/>; Anti-MLM and Anti- Amway Webring: (1 more message)
22:47 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: hey, if I get enough business, I can setup a dedicated server for the project =p
22:47 <Lucifer_arma> "if"
22:48 <Lucifer_arma> also, after you get the business, you have to keep it.  :)  Repeat customers = growth.  No repeat customers = no growth
22:48  * wrtlprnft might rent a vserver for 5 bucks a month and host some servers on it for 3 bucks a month ;)
22:49 <wrtlprnft> the ping won't be as great, but average
22:49 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: services have repeat service builtin =p
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22:50 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: aww, why duplicate my work? =p
22:50 <wrtlprnft> duplicate?
22:50 <wrtlprnft> I won't, anyways
22:50 <wrtlprnft> too much potential trouble
22:50 <luke-jr_> heh
22:51 <luke-jr_> and you'd need to get the whole admin interface setup and such
22:51 <SuPeRTaRD> isnt there a <size x>  html code for text size ?   <big> dint work on my page
22:51 <wrtlprnft> ...
22:51 <Lucifer_arma> no, there's not
22:51 <luke-jr_> unless you were thinking just giving people ssh and that's all =p
22:51 <luke-jr_> there used to be a <font size="x">, but it's been gone for years
22:51 <wrtlprnft> DON'T use that
22:51 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: HTML isn't for appearance anyhow
22:51 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: use CSS
22:52 <wrtlprnft> if it's supposed to be a heading use <h2>
22:52 <SuPeRTaRD> heh
22:52 <SuPeRTaRD> ok
22:52 <luke-jr_> or <h1>
22:52 <luke-jr_> depends on depth of the heading
22:52 <SuPeRTaRD> which is bigger
22:52 <luke-jr_> ...
22:52 <wrtlprnft> SuPeRTaRD: none
22:52 <SuPeRTaRD> heh
22:52 <Lucifer_arma> if you just want to make it bigger and it's in the middle of a paragraph, hire a professional :)
22:52 <SuPeRTaRD> its for my myspace page
22:52 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: h1 means top-heading
22:52 <SuPeRTaRD> i want my quote to be bigger
22:52 <luke-jr_> SuPeRTaRD: h2 means next down
22:52 <luke-jr_> um
22:52  * luke-jr_ stops helping
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> heh, he doesn't like myspace
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> hey tard, I"ll give you some free webspace--for a price!
22:53 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:53 <SuPeRTaRD> yeh, i saw that on your page
22:53 <Lucifer_arma> it's free in the sense of you don't look like a dork using it, which coincidentally differentiates it from myspace quite handily
22:53 <Brooky> i cant figure this stuff out
22:53 <Brooky> lol
22:53 <SuPeRTaRD> pretty cheap too
22:53 <luke-jr_> if you donate $10/mo to me, I'll give you a free website! :)
22:54 <SuPeRTaRD> i work part time for mininyum wage
22:54 <SuPeRTaRD> sorry
22:54 <luke-jr_> lol
22:54 <SuPeRTaRD> �8)
22:54 <Brooky> lol
22:54 <luke-jr_> hm
22:55 <luke-jr_> we need to make it so people can play Arma professionally! =p
22:55 <SuPeRTaRD> all my spare money goes towards imported beer & cigarettes & ...  party favors
22:55 <SuPeRTaRD> goto shrunkland i'll play you professionally
22:55 <Lucifer_arma> why is spiderman's girlfriend named mary jane?
22:55 <SuPeRTaRD> ;p
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> the truth about peter parker:
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> he's not spiderman.  He's a pothead who stays up late at night smoking dope and dreaming about being a superhero.
22:56 <Lucifer_arma> he doesn't have a real girlfriend, Mary Jane is the fantasy girl he has named after the thing he loves most in life
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> he's not a role model after all, sorry.
22:57 <wrtlprnft> actually, is there any chance we can get CIA fixed soon?
22:57 <luke-jr_> if SF replies...
22:57 <luke-jr_> or if we move Svn elsewhere
22:57 <Lucifer_arma> you could go open another ticket on sourceforge :)
22:57 <wrtlprnft> can't Lucifer_arma just undo whatever change he made? ;)
22:57 <luke-jr_> no
22:58 <Lucifer_arma> you don't think I tried that already?
22:58 <luke-jr_> the brokenness is in the "apply settings" step
22:58 <luke-jr_> regardless of what the settings applied are
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I just broke more shit, I'm sure
23:05 <Lucifer_arma> how badly does it hurt to move /tmp while the system is running?
23:06 -!- [NP]Tangent_ is now known as [NP]TangenT
23:06 <Brooky> bye for now!
23:06 <Brooky> c ya
23:06 <luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: ...
23:06 <luke-jr_> how so?
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23:08 <Lucifer_arma> I just moved tmp when I realized I moved /usr to the same partition as /tmp, and they were both mounted, so /tmp was in /usr and that was pretty stupid
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> so I umounted /tmp
23:08 <Lucifer_arma> now, why does gentoo want to use 4.8G on my /usr partition?  isn't that a tad excessive?
23:13 <luke-jr_> why bother having separate partitions?
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> #dict equity
23:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn, bouvier, gcide, and moby-thes responded: bouvier: EQUITY, COURT OF. A court of equity is one which administers justice, where there are no legal rights, or legal rights, but courts of law do not afford a complete, remedy, and where the complainant has also an equitable right. Vide Chancery; wn: equity n 1: the difference between the market value of a property and the (21 more messages)
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> #more
23:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: claims held against it 2: the ownership interest of shareholders in a corporation 3: conformity with rules or standards; "the judge recognized the fairness of my claim" [syn: {fairness}] [ant: {unfairness}, {unfairness}]; gcide: Equity \Eq"ui*ty\, n.; pl. {Equities}. [F. ['e]quit['e], L. aequitas, fr. aequus even, equal. See {Equal}.] 1. Equality of rights; natural justice or right; (20 more messages)
23:14 <Lucifer_arma> #more
23:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: the giving, or desiring to give, to each man his due, according to reason, and the law of God to man; fairness in determination of conflicting claims; impartiality. [1913 Webster] Christianity secures both the private interests of men and the public peace, enforcing all justice and equity. --Tillotson. [1913 Webster] 2. (Law) An equitable claim; an equity of redemption; as, an equity (19 more messages)
23:15 <Lucifer_arma> #more
23:15 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: to a settlement, or wife's equity, etc. [1913 Webster] I consider the wife's equity to be too well settled to be shaken. --Kent. [1913 Webster] 3. (Law) A system of jurisprudence, supplemental to law, properly so called, and complemental of it. [1913 Webster] Equity had been gradually shaping itself into a refined science which no human faculties could master without long and intense (18 more messages)
23:19 <nemostultae> You've tried resyncing it today, Lucifer_arma? (http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1524145&group_id=1&atid=200001)
23:31 <Lucifer_arma> damn, web browser's locked right now
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> ok, resynced, somebody make a commit
23:35 <nemostultae> ok, just sec.
23:36 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r5779 /tools/map-preview/trunk/README.txt: testing
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> yay!
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> thanks :)
23:37 <nemostultae> ohh, they have a link to the change now, too. http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/armagetronad
23:44 <wrtlprnft> CIA works again?
23:44 <nemostultae> yes
23:44 <wrtlprnft> :)
23:45 <luke-jr_> you know, in theory we don't need the CIA webpage =p
23:45 <wrtlprnft> stfu
23:45 <luke-jr_> u
23:45 <nemostultae> F4
23:45 <wrtlprnft> tomorrow i'll make some new maps, now that i have inkscape installed
23:45 <luke-jr_> hopefully they'll be better than mine =p
23:46 <wrtlprnft> openofice.org draw's export makes everything a <path>
23:46 <wrtlprnft> so the svg->aamap converter produces an empty map
23:47 <nemostultae> Oh, I checked the SVG outputted by Inkscape. I need to update the script a little. Zones don't work (they don't set the id attributes, rather they set inkscape:label)
23:47 <luke-jr_> we have such???
23:47 <wrtlprnft> I don't care about zones that much, it's not a lot of work to place them manually
23:47 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: sometimes it is
23:47 <luke-jr_> see CTWF maps
23:48 <wrtlprnft> well, i wanna make a rather normal map
23:48 <luke-jr_> and the non-existent Puckmap-1.0
23:48 <luke-jr_> =p
23:48 <wrtlprnft> we need teleport zones for that map
23:48 <luke-jr_> yes
23:48 <luke-jr_> well
23:48 <luke-jr_> no
23:48 <luke-jr_> we need ph's borders
23:49 <luke-jr_> here's a potential requirement for the new config system
23:50 <luke-jr_> allow the server to load multiple maps
23:50 <luke-jr_> so you can have x puckmaps side-by-side
23:50 <luke-jr_> and then borders on the outer ones
23:51 -!- Vanhayes_ is now known as Vanhayes
23:52 <Compn1> teleport?
23:52 <Compn1> where is teleport
23:52 <luke-jr_> ...
23:53 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: can you make your script translate line thickness or color to wall height?
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> I miht be back in a minute
23:53 <wrtlprnft> that would be useful for me
23:53 <Lucifer_arma> I might not.  Might have to wait for my computer to finish updating
23:53 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50874263.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
23:54 <nemostultae> I'll add it to the list.
23:54 <mkzelda> >:/ ktorrent has snubbed all peers and im at 99.60%
23:54 <mkzelda> and i cant unsnub them
23:54 <Compn1> mkzelda : use a better torrent client :D
23:55 <mkzelda> ya for real
23:55 <mkzelda> wish there was one
23:55 <spidey> lol
23:55 <spidey> there is
23:55 <spidey> i forget the name
23:55 <mkzelda> there isnt for linux
23:55 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=satan@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
23:55 <spidey> it starts with a A and has a frog icon
23:55 <spidey> there is
23:55 <Compn1> azureus
23:55 <spidey> ya
23:55 <Compn1> the best (java) client
23:55 <wrtlprnft> sloooow
23:55 <mkzelda> Azureus is not better than ktorrent by any means
23:56 <mkzelda> in linux
23:56 <spidey> was for me
23:56 <Compn1> ya its slow as shit, but its amazingly perfect
23:56 <Compn1> even tests your ports for you
23:56 <mkzelda> Ya it uses 99% cpu, 300mb ram, and crashes every 2 mins
23:56 <Compn1> hehe
23:56 <mkzelda> no thanks
23:56 <Compn1> maybe you need better JRE 
23:56 <spidey> lol
23:56 <Compn1> linux has... standard bittorrent client
23:56 <spidey> ktorrent
23:56 <spidey> lol
23:56 <Compn1> lots of python clients
23:56 <mkzelda> ya, and it sux ass
23:57 <wrtlprnft> screw java, use MS .NET and C#!!!111oneoneeleven
23:57 <mkzelda> i like azureus most, but man
23:57 <mkzelda> its nowhere near good
23:57 <mkzelda> micro torrent is nice but win32
23:58 <spidey> use wine?
23:58 <mkzelda> i might, but thats just a whole new can of worms
23:58 <spidey> not really
23:58 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:58 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:58 <spidey> it's easy to install(on debian atleast)
23:59 <spidey> apt-get install wine
23:59 <spidey> ;x
23:59 <mkzelda> its easy to install but the way things work on it
23:59 <spidey> i used it on mandrivia
23:59 <mkzelda> i use it for a few things and i dont like it
23:59 <spidey> didn't have anyproblems
23:59 <spidey> except
23:59 <spidey> it sucks for games
23:59 <mkzelda> the way windows are rendered is messed up on almost all apps
23:59 <Compn1> utorrent is nice on windows
23:59 <mkzelda> i've had that problem for years
23:59 <mkzelda> ya, thats what i was talkin about
23:59 <Compn1> fast, small, prioritize rarest piece = best feature ever
23:59 <spidey> really?
23:59 <mkzelda> microtorrent

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