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Log from 2006-07-11:
--- Day changed Tue Jul 11 2006
00:00 <Lucifer_arma> I can handle the rough edges, but it's like living in an apartment after you've lived in a house
00:00  * wrtlprnft likes the apartment more than the house
00:02  * wrtlprnft hates email clients that use AW: instead of Re:
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> ok, it's like moving into a studio apartment after you've lived in a 1/2 bedroom
00:02 <wrtlprnft> that leads to conversations like Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: AW: blah
00:03 <wrtlprnft> darn localisation stuff
00:03  * [Xpert]DarkStar searches his desk for the headset
00:04 <wrtlprnft> anyways
00:04 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:04 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
00:04 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night wrtlprnft 
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00:07 <Vanhayes> spidey|zzz, you there?
00:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i'm off
00:09 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
00:09 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
00:09 <Vanhayes> night
00:12 <Lucifer_arma> damn.  eta on kde 4 developer release is october
00:12  * Lucifer_arma wonders how stable it'll be then
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00:14 <spidey> yo
00:15  * anjori is very excited to see what kde4 will bring
00:16 <Lucifer_arma> yeah
00:17  * Lucifer_arma wants to start running plasma right now
00:18 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5634 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycle.cpp: More missing initializations.
00:19 <Lucifer_arma> finally got to the plasma channel, and couldn't think of what I wanted to ask :)
00:20  * Lucifer_arma wonders how many people in #kde use gaim
00:21 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5635 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp:
00:21 <armabot> armagetronad: Improved rubber precision by predicting rubber usage for the reservoir mindistance.
00:21 <armabot> armagetronad: Smoothly blend from distance based turn commands (without rubber active) to time based turn commands (with full rubber active, when sitting directly in front of a wall).
00:21 <z-man> I hope that finally eliminates the bugfarm lag
00:42 -!- anjori is now known as anjori|away
00:44 <+luke-jr_> Vanhayes: it would restart after a crash immediately-- maybe you just misconfigured it? ;)
00:44 <+luke-jr_> Vanhayes: in which case, it takes at most an hour
00:44 <+luke-jr_> nemostultae: so compile a PPC build? O.o
00:45 <Vanhayes> I just put in the wrong map file, missspelled it or left out a capital or something
00:45 <+luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: anjori: funny you talk about kde4-- just got the dependencies cleared up on my desktop system
00:45 <+luke-jr_> Vanhayes: I have DEDICATED_IDLE 1 set
00:48 <Lucifer_arma> bbiab, gonna fool with icewm
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00:52 <madmax|pt> o_O
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01:03 <spidey> i wish mepis had a server install :/
01:05 <Lucifer_arma> I am now installing a whole shitload of window managers
01:06 <spidey> hahaha
01:06 <spidey> try blackbox
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> that's in there
01:06 <spidey> you'll like it if you can configure it
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> I want something that gives me what icewm promises.  :)
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> workspaces instead of desktops
01:06 <spidey> um
01:06 <spidey> flux and blackbox does that
01:06 <Lucifer_arma> I'm like 80% there with kde3.5, and kde4 will in all likelihood give me everything I want
01:07 <Lucifer_arma> but kde4 isn't here *now*
01:08 <Lucifer_arma> ok, biab
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01:09 <+luke-jr_> what's the difference between a workspace and a desktop?
01:09 <spidey> not sure
01:09 <spidey> lol
01:09 <+luke-jr_> =p
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01:10 <+luke-jr_> what's the difference between a workspace and a desktop?
01:10 <spidey> lol
01:10 <+luke-jr_> ...
01:10 <+luke-jr_> w00t KDE 4 configured
01:11 <+luke-jr_> ooh, colourful makefiles
01:11 <+luke-jr_> purple and green, too
01:11 <+luke-jr_> my fav. colours!
01:11 <+luke-jr_> and blue!
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> now how the hell do I configure this thing?
01:11 <Lucifer_arma> it's blackbox
01:11 <+luke-jr_> blue is moc
01:11 <+luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: what's the difference between a workspace and a desktop?
01:12 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, right click the desktop
01:12 <spidey> xTerm
01:12 <spidey> locate blackbox
01:12 <+luke-jr_> lol
01:12 <spidey> use nano to edit the files
01:12 <+luke-jr_> no, use vim!
01:12 <spidey> nano!
01:13 <+luke-jr_> =p
01:13 <+luke-jr_> joe!
01:13 <+luke-jr_> nono
01:13 <+luke-jr_> jstar!1
01:13 <spidey> lol
01:13 <Lucifer_arma> edit the files?  how quaint
01:13 <spidey> quaint?
01:13  * luke-jr_ bets Lucifer_arma would be at home w/ jstar =p
01:13 <+luke-jr_> Lucifer_arma: so... going to differentiate workspace and desktop for us?
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> no, for the same reason I don't try to differentiate red and blue for my kids
01:14 <+luke-jr_> ...
01:14 <Lucifer_arma> if it's not obvious, that's your problem
01:14 <spidey> LOL
01:14 <+luke-jr_> nobody else here has said they know what you're talking about
01:15 <+luke-jr_> seems to me like only you know
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> not really relevant, luke.  I've learned not to answer your questions unless you actually need help doing something
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> because it's just a waste of time.  You're going to nitpick every detail and completely ignore what I'm actually trying to say.
01:16 <[Xpert]DarkStar> re
01:16 <Lucifer_arma> why should I bother?  just 1 good reason.
01:17 <Lucifer_arma> it does have to be a factual reason that can be supported by objective experiences
01:18 <spidey> O_o
01:18 <spidey> yo
01:18 <spidey> smaller words please!
01:18 <Lucifer_arma> #dict smaller
01:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: smaller adj : small or little relative to something else [syn: {littler}]; moby-thes: 32 Moby Thesaurus words for "smaller": abated, ablated, attenuated, bated, belittled, consumed, contracted, curtailed, decreased, deflated, diminished, dissipated, dropped, eroded, fallen, fewer, less, lesser, lower, lowered, miniaturized, not so (7 more messages)
01:18 <spidey> ok luke-jr
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01:21  * [Xpert]DarkStar turns on keyboard backlight
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01:21 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wb
01:21 <Lucifer_arma> re
01:21 <spidey> mm
01:22 <Lucifer_arma> so, everything but kde crashed after I ran blackbox for a little bit :(
01:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
01:22 <spidey> players
01:22 <spidey> er
01:22 <[Xpert]DarkStar> use fluxbox anyway
01:22 <+luke-jr_> lucifer_arma: I can't help you find what you're looking for if I haven't a clue what it is?
01:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> to all gentoo users: is it a good idea to emerge gnome on a 500mhz machine?
01:24 <+luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: it's a bad idea to emerge gnome on any machine
01:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> depends...
01:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i need it to play with xgl...
01:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and xgl is so damn cool man
01:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> makes vista and mac os x looks like crap
01:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
01:26 <Lucifer_arma> biab
01:26 <[Xpert]DarkStar> vista is crap anyway
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01:28 <[Xpert]DarkStar> luke-jr_: why would you say gnome is bad?
01:29 <+luke-jr_> [Xpert]DarkStar: slow, unusable, ugly, etc
01:29 <[Xpert]DarkStar> well
01:29 <+luke-jr_> KDE won't work?
01:29 <+luke-jr_> how about twm? =p
01:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> twm rocks :P
01:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no honestly... twm is the only thing i have right now
01:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and i hate it
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01:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> haven't tried kde yet
01:30 <[Xpert]DarkStar> but i'm not really a friend of kde...
01:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> iirc xgl will work with kde4
01:31 <Lucifer_arma> how the hell do you use xfce?
01:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> xfce?
01:32 <+nemostultae> xfce
01:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> lol
01:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> never used xfce
01:32 <+nemostultae> I have
01:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> is it good?
01:32 <+nemostultae> not so much
01:32 <[Xpert]DarkStar> what makes it not so good?
01:32 <+nemostultae> well I used it on my sparcbox, it was still kinda slow
01:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> sparc :D
01:33 <Lucifer_arma> how about the fact that every xfce application is crashing?
01:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> enough to keep me away from xfce
01:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i used to use fluxbox
01:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that one is nice
01:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyway... gnome is cool too
01:34 <+nemostultae> try wmii 3 if you want your head to explode, or you like vim.
01:34 <+nemostultae> of if*
01:34 <[Xpert]DarkStar> try xpde if you want to puke or if you like wintendo
01:34 <+nemostultae> or if*
01:34 <+nemostultae> *
01:35  * madmax|pt *
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> everything that tries to open a new window is falling apart :(
01:35 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wintendo is a cool name for the most useless wannabe-OS
01:35 <Lucifer_arma> shame, it looks really nice
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01:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the gnome emerge is going rather slow on my old vaio... hope it'll finish some time this week...
01:38 <[Xpert]DarkStar> god... the vaio is like overheating :S
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01:46 <Lucifer_arma> aha, xfce is broke in kubuntu
01:47 <[Xpert]DarkStar> i still prefer gentoo to any other distro
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01:49 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wb
01:49 <Lucifer_arma> window maker started without crashing
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01:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> shit...
01:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> locked up my box -.-
01:59 <[Xpert]DarkStar> gonna try sleeping again
02:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
02:00 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
02:06 <Lucifer_arma> window maker is very nice
02:06 <spidey> which one?
02:06 <spidey> ohnvm
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03:30 <mkzelda> can u put a trigger into the bot that will tell u a full command for svn co
03:31 <mkzelda> i always have to reference the web, a trigger would be sweet
03:32 <+nemostultae> sure, just make an alias to echo the command
03:39 <mkzelda> i dont think the bot listens to me anymore
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04:14  * spidey pokes mom
04:14 <Your_mom_arma> hey
04:15 <spidey> mm
04:15  * spidey thinks about hosting another server on my webserver
04:15 <spidey> i got 500gb transfer and only use like 400mb
04:15 <spidey> lol
04:15 <Your_mom_arma> does someone else host it?
04:15 <spidey> ya
04:16 <spidey> the people i get my webserver hosting
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05:27 <Lizz> hello whoevers here'
05:27 <Lucifer_arma> hi wolvie
05:27 <Lizz> hiya luci
05:28  * Lucifer_arma wants to write a desktop environment with pyqt
05:28 <Lizz> why not just write with a pen like normal ppl?
05:28  * Lucifer_arma thinks he'll put gentoo on one of his spare partitions so next time he thinks about writing a desktop environment, he can
05:28  * Lucifer_arma wonders where Lizz got the idea he did things like normal people
05:29 <Lizz> gossip
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> blasphemy!
05:29 <Lizz> i heard u were as normal as they come
05:29 <Lucifer_arma> well, I've always thought you MBCers lived in a cave
05:29 <Lizz> we do
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
05:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, anvil, armabot, armabot,, b, barf, bug, canada, canada2, ch, chatlog, clash, coin, digg, dotdotdot, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, missed, morning, night, pang, parrot, peng, poke, pong, (1 more message)
05:30 <Lizz> i like my animal fur bed and my men sparcely dressed
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> throw some soy sauce on that mixture and I'll grill it for ya
05:30 <Lizz> u gonna grill me a man?
05:30 <Lucifer_arma> you provide the man, of course
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> but don't use poison, it toughens the meat
05:31 <Lizz> ill just take a couple from that list over ~~~~~> there
05:31 <spidey> don't use luke-jr_
05:31 <Lizz> naa.. too young anyway
05:31 <Lucifer_arma> too stringy?
05:32 <spidey> LOL
05:32 <Lizz> need older meat
05:32 <spidey> you could always use cusco
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> sure he's not a bot?
05:32 <Lizz> maybe drat
05:32 <Lucifer_arma> only if you like the taste of marijuana in your meat
05:33 <Lizz> and even tho anj is young like luke.. hes hot 
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> but there's something to say about a guy that gets you high when he's on your plate
05:33 <Lizz> mmmm
05:33 <spidey> LOL
05:33 <Lizz> i wonder if he will lick the bowl..
05:33 <Lucifer_arma> definitely not Vanhayes.  Frozen meat doesn't cook up too well
05:33 <spidey> lol
05:33 <Lizz> but i hear canadian meat is sweet
05:34 <Lucifer_arma> but it takes years to thaw it out
05:34 <spidey> hahha
05:34 <spidey> i just got that
05:34 <Lizz> not if u use the erm.. right cooking technique luci
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> well, I usually do stir-fry, which requires the meat to be thawed enough to cut
05:35 <Lizz> unless ur in mongolia
05:35 <Lucifer_arma> manflesh is generally too stringy for other things, and too bony too
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, mongolian barbecue
05:36  * Lucifer_arma loves mongolian barbecue
05:36 <spidey> #g 45/3
05:36 <armabot> 45 / 3 = 15
05:36 <Lizz> mongolian cooking shaves the meat while frozen then stir frys it
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> yep
05:36 <Lizz> is yum
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> is very yum
05:36 <Lizz> :)
05:37 <spidey> what shit
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> is mostly lamb, iirc, so naturally the only way to get it down here is pork, chicken, and beef
05:37 <Lucifer_arma> lamb is expensive
05:37  * spidey notes that because you put a cigarette out
05:37 <spidey> it isn't out
05:37 <Lizz> cant possible eat spider seeing as hes my kid.. so.. will have to go with drat as hes older
05:37  * spidey has 4 holes in his binder now
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> well, we need spidey around anyway.  He has a knack for producing armagetron servers
05:38 <Lizz> lambs cheap here.. so mongolian is common
05:38 <spidey> i'm getting 3 more!
05:38 <spidey> 2 more**
05:38 <Lucifer_arma> if he learned how to build arma on mac, he'd have a hundred of 'em already
05:38 <Lizz> lol
05:38 <spidey> :/
05:38 <spidey> um
05:39 <spidey> the first server
05:39 <mkzelda> what is it I edit to fix the prob w/ boostrap
05:39 <spidey> was run on a mac
05:39 <mkzelda> the custom dirs
05:39 <spidey> btw
05:39 <Lucifer_arma> there's a problem with bootstrap?
05:40 <Lizz> bbiab.. i fancy a shower
05:40 <Lucifer_arma> ko.  I've got some work to do anyway.
05:40 <mkzelda> yea, something w/ luke's custom directories
05:41 <mkzelda> just have to comment something and it works
05:42 <mkzelda> m4_include(accustomdir.m4) in configure.ac
05:42 <mkzelda> i can confirm that on several machines
05:44  * Lucifer_arma has been wondering what accustomdir.m4 has in it
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> yay, updating my server finally
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> is modular x that much better than the old stuff?
05:44 <mkzelda> yay, got my amd64 working for first time in like 2 months
05:44 <mkzelda> YES
05:44 <mkzelda> as are the split kde ebuilds
05:44 <Lucifer_arma> hmmmm
05:45 <spidey> wow
05:45 <mkzelda> recompiling 1 300k app instead of the whole 30mb junk
05:45 <spidey> i'm on page 10 already O_o
05:45 <mkzelda> everything is getting updated so much faster now
05:45 <mkzelda> so much progress on all Xorg code
05:45 <mkzelda> they needed it a long time ago
05:45  * spidey should update his X
05:45 <spidey> it errors out to much
05:47 <mkzelda> sdl-image, smpeg, sdl-mixer, ftgl, boost... any other deps?
05:50 <Lucifer_arma> boost is the only one that doesn't get caught by configure
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> libvorbis is needed for the sound effects, but sdl-mixer should catch that for you
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> libxml2
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> libsdl (the core library, of course)
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> an opengl devel package :)
05:51 <Lucifer_arma> I think that's it
05:52 <Lucifer_arma> pretty damn recent autotools, but you won't even get a configure script without that
05:55 <mkzelda> woooo
05:55 <mkzelda> finally
05:55 <mkzelda> havent used trunk in a long time
05:56 <mkzelda> how i've missed nick/command completion
05:56 <mkzelda> and playlists
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  I think you're the only person who's told me he's happy with the music stuff.  :(
05:58 <mkzelda> works great for me, cept i liked it more when the playlist auto-started
05:58 <Lucifer_arma> not that it couldn't be better, just that people have complained a lot since 0.3.0 came out.
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, I liked it more then, too.
05:59 <Lucifer_arma> it felt more real
05:59  * Lucifer_arma doesn't even know why it stopped auto-starting
06:00 <mkzelda> i often forget to start it
06:00 <mkzelda> and realize ive played an hour w/ no music
06:00 <spidey> lol
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> I've been doing without for a little while, but now that 0.3.0's out, I can tear up the sound engine again
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> maybe later this week....we'll see
06:00 <mkzelda> now that its using this different font, i cant read the menu item descriptions
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> they flow off the screen?
06:00 <mkzelda> yea
06:00 <Lucifer_arma> nag wrtlprnft about it when you see him next :)
06:00 <mkzelda> k
06:01 <spidey> actually
06:01 <spidey> that's the table posistion
06:01 <spidey> move it more to the left
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> for menu item descriptions?
06:01 <Lucifer_arma> like, when you hover on a menu item and you see a little blurb at the bottom that describes it to you?
06:02 <spidey> that shows the thing playing up in the top right?
06:02 <Lucifer_arma> nononono
06:02 <spidey> oh
06:02 <mkzelda> yes
06:02 <mkzelda> for that luci
06:02 <mkzelda> on swap mode i noticed it
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> it's been there a little while.  The new font system is still settling.  :)
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> even so, the planned font system isn't here yet.
06:03 <Lucifer_arma> if we can call what we want a planned system, heh
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> good USE flags for a kde system?
06:06 <mkzelda> omg this looks nice
06:06 <mkzelda> how much ram u have?
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> that's a pretty good question
06:07 <spidey> LOL
06:07 <Lizz> sorry to but in.. but can u plz tell me who owns shrunkland server?
06:07 <spidey> cat /proc/meminfo
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> looks like 512MB
06:07 <mkzelda> theres a kdeenablefinal flag
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> Lizz: last I checked, Swampy still owned it, but Silly was remote admin there
06:07 <mkzelda> that will speed compilation time
06:07 <Lizz> ok ty luci
06:07 <mkzelda> thats not helpful for system, but relevant if you're about to build
06:07 <Lucifer_arma> why?  you get booted for being in a clan?
06:07 <spidey> spidey@fbi.gov[~]$ cat /proc/meminfo
06:07 <spidey> MemTotal:       377112 kB
06:07 <spidey> :(
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> mkzelda: I'm about to build
06:08 <Lizz> not today no
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> so, something I can copy and paste would be nice :)
06:08 <spidey> silly = scope?
06:08 <mkzelda> it works by creating one giant file instead of lots of little ones
06:08 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, now louven
06:08 <spidey> bah
06:08 <Lizz> was guy MBC lmao
06:08  * Lucifer_arma nods
06:08 <spidey> heh
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I'm planning on hacking this system pretty hard
06:09 <mkzelda> USE="kdeenablefinal kdehiddenvisibility xinerama" emerge -av kdebase-startkde
06:09 <spidey> he's never kicked me for being clan
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I'm not quite there
06:09 <Lizz> guy woill just boot me coz he dont like me.. so will just avoid that server when hes there.. thx luci for the info
06:09 <mkzelda> i dunno what all u plan to use
06:09 <Lizz> will*
06:09 <Lucifer_arma> these are use flags for make.conf
06:09 <mkzelda> yea
06:09 <mkzelda> im throwing those suggestions out there already
06:09 <mkzelda> and if u do that command line u can see what use flags are available
06:10 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, haven't chrooted yet
06:10 <mkzelda> i usually do that to see what i might be missing
06:10 <mkzelda> i usually have a lot of multimedia use flags
06:11 <mkzelda> mp3 flac ogg vorbis wma wmf win32codecs real quicktime mpeg mad ffmpeg...
06:11 <mkzelda> i do a lot of console use flags too
06:11 <mkzelda> fbcon svga directfb aalib libcaca
06:12 <Lucifer_arma> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_Gentoo_Linux:_Configuring  <-- how do these look, the ones down the page a bit?
06:16 <mkzelda> yea they look fine
06:16 <mkzelda> its not terribly bad to forget something
06:17 <mkzelda> if u add some use flag to make.conf and then do an emerge -Nav world u can see all the packages that will be rebuilt b/c they didnt have the use flag before
06:17 <mkzelda> but i'd definatly use that kdeenablefinal and kdehiddenvisibility b4 u start kde
06:17 <mkzelda> and i'd suggest the split ebuild kde instead of monolithic
06:18 <mkzelda> so u only have to snag like 100 apps instead of the 380ish the large kde builds have
06:18 <mkzelda> no more kdeedu and junk
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> actually, I want the kdeedu and junk :)
06:19 <Lucifer_arma> call me crazy....
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> what's a good mirror?
06:20 <mkzelda> if u want everything, then dont go that route, it will take longer
06:20 <mkzelda> u dont have to worry about that so much anymore
06:20 <mkzelda> the default server chucks you out pretty well
06:20 <mkzelda> its a mirror rotation
06:20 <mkzelda> but mirror.datapipe.net does well for me
06:20 <Lucifer_arma> I don't even have a mirror marked on the server
06:21 <mkzelda> yea, its got a default if u dont set anything
06:21 <mkzelda> and the default is the rotating linker
06:21 <mkzelda> i just did that this last install and everything i dl'd went at 600k/s
06:22 <mkzelda> add ccache and parallel-fetch to your FEATURES=
06:22 <mkzelda> parallel-fetch will start downloading the files for the next package to emerge while compiling the first
06:22 <mkzelda> ccache is compiler cache
06:23 <mkzelda> emerge ccache before you get going on a long emerge, and run ccache -M 2G (or however much space you want to use)
06:24 <mkzelda> 2G igs is a good amount
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm.....  emerge --sync right now
06:25 <Lucifer_arma> just chrooted
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> ooo, do I need an ndiswrapper use flag?
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> heh
06:26  * Lucifer_arma puts "buy a wlan card supported by linux natively" on his todo list
06:26  * Lucifer_arma is getting tired of dealing with ndiswrapper
06:26 <mkzelda> i'd guess u need that, ive never had a need for that so i dunno
06:27 <mkzelda> heh, remember that flame thread
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> yeah.  but I'm using Kubuntu as the host, not the liveCD
06:27 <mkzelda> yea
06:27 <Lucifer_arma> but I'm remembering that and some support I got in #gentoo and still hoping for the best
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> when I was fooling with window managers earlier, I had an epiphany.  I *can* write a desktop environment in python using pyqt and have a good window manager
06:29 <Lucifer_arma> the problem is, if I'm going to do that, I really need to use pyqt4, but on this kubuntu machine, I can' thave pyqt3 and pyqt4 together for some weird reason
06:31 <mkzelda> so u gonna do that when u get this install done?
06:31 <mkzelda> just discovered gtk-engines-qt
06:31 <mkzelda> makes gtk apps look like your current kde theme
06:31 <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking seriously about it, since that was the dealbreaker
06:32 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, apparently kubuntu uses the gtk-themes-qt thing, because my gtk apps fit right in
06:32 <mkzelda> about 8 years ago i used to have a super hacked up afterstep that was what i considered perfection
06:32 <mkzelda> ive never had a wm/de anywhere close to that again
06:33 <mkzelda> i'd use the new as 2.0 series but its got like 2 major things i hate about it and cant for the life of me figure out how to fix
06:33 <mkzelda> like 16 virtual desktops
06:33 <mkzelda> its xinerama behaviour is a bit retarded
06:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, hmmm.  xinerama isn't a big deal to me.  heh
06:37 <mkzelda> its not for me anymore either now that i've had 2 19" monitors die
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> I tried out SymphonyOS earlier today, and my final impression was that they bit off more than they can chew, and they're using the wrong platform fundamentally.
06:37 <Lucifer_arma> mozilla just doesn't make a very good desktop environment.  It sounds nice, but it just doesn't work.  :(
06:37 <mkzelda> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=110353 
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> actually, my firefox looks very nice right now
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> but I must admit I don't remember which theme I picked :)
06:39 <Lucifer_arma> (kde theme, that is)
06:41 <mkzelda> woo, finally some signs of gigabit lan
06:41 <mkzelda> 21350K/s
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> what's ping times look like?  same?
06:42 <mkzelda> i think its the read speed of source files thats limiting more th an the write speed of destination
06:42 <mkzelda> probably
06:42 <mkzelda> havent gotten that fire
06:42 <mkzelda> transferring over music for playlist
06:42 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, used to be that my server wasn't fast enough for my network.  :)  It is now, though.
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> well, kernel's building now
06:43 <mkzelda> my harddrives in all my machines are crappy, cept my 2 new 10,000rpm 16mb cache sata150 drives
06:43 <Lucifer_arma> my server's installing qt4 for some reason
06:44 <mkzelda> kpdf requires cairo, cairo has qt3 and qt4 use flags
06:44 <mkzelda> both can exist simultaneously
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> heh.  I've got reasonably fast hard drives, it's still the CPU that's the bottleneck on the server.
06:44 <mkzelda> its slotted
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, it's only Kubuntu that doesn't like qt3 and qt4 next to each other
06:44 <mkzelda> both are needed at this point
06:44 <Lucifer_arma> I'll be happy to change to pyqt4!
06:44 <mkzelda> qt3 is required still,
06:44 <mkzelda> as a large chunk of kde still uses it
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> provided it'll respect my chosen kde theme :)
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> well, if I write my python desktop environment, I'd like to start with qt4 from the get-go ;)
06:45 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, it might be worth my time to see what wxUniversal looks like
06:46 <mkzelda> kde 4 series will be all qt4
06:46 <mkzelda> obviously
06:46 <mkzelda> heh
06:46 <mkzelda> i dont think they're too far away
06:46 <mkzelda> another year?
06:46 <Lucifer_arma> october is the first scheduled developer release
06:46 <mkzelda> they have a project status page
06:50 <Lucifer_arma> ok, the wxX11 screenshots are freaking ugly
06:55 <spidey> mm
06:55 <spidey> i'ma try something
06:55 <spidey> wooo
06:55 <spidey> i can x out xchat but keep a undocked window of it open
07:03 <mkzelda> i like this new font for most things, but not the scoreboard
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07:14 <spidey> erm
07:15 <spidey> i tried to download the autopackage and got the source instead of the download :/
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> oops
07:16  * Lucifer_arma loves the new font for all things ingame
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> but I tried it in konversation and it wasn't pretty
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> heh
07:16 <spidey> lol
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07:28  * spidey growls
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07:30 <Lucifer_arma> spiders don't growl
07:30 <spidey> this one does
07:30 <spidey> xD
07:30  * Lucifer_arma politely greets z-man 
07:31  * spidey trips z-man O_o
07:31  * Lucifer_arma eats one of spidey's legs--the chewy one
07:31 <spidey> ::o
07:31 <Lucifer_arma> I'll tell you what, if you want to scare a young kid, tell them you'll eat them if they don't do something
07:32 <spidey> hahahahah
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> as in "You've got 5 minutes to clean your room or you'll be my dinner"
07:32 <spidey> hey to change "someone "core dumped" someone to
07:32 <Vanhayes> #g 22*14*6*4*12
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> just, uh, don't get in the habit of making threats to kids you can't execute on
07:32 <armabot> 22 * 14 * 6 * 4 * 12 = 88,704
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> language file, spidey
07:32 <spidey> "someone "pwned" someone
07:32 <spidey> ohhhhh
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> in fact, the thing to do is to create a new one and put the messages you want in it
07:32 <spidey> i didn't see that?
07:32 <Lucifer_arma> then add that file to languages.txt
07:33  * Lucifer_arma should write that up on the wiki sometime
07:33 <spidey> where's the language file O_o
07:33 <Vanhayes> 13*6*4*12
07:33 <Lucifer_arma> prefix/share/games/armagetronad/languages ?
07:33 <Vanhayes> #g 13*6*4*12
07:33 <armabot> 13 * 6 * 4 * 12 = 3,744
07:34 <Vanhayes> #g 13*14*6*4*12
07:34 <armabot> 13 * 14 * 6 * 4 * 12 = 52,416
07:34 <spidey> /home/spidey/Desktop/armagetronad-0.2.8.2.i686-generic-linux-gnu/share/games/armagetronad/language
07:34 <Vanhayes> hmm
07:34 <spidey> remember i couldn't install the autopackage
07:34 <spidey> so luke just extracted it
07:34 <spidey> and it runs like that
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> couldn't install it?
07:35 <spidey> on the webserver
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> webserver?
07:35 <spidey> yar....
07:35 <spidey> that's where my fort server is running
07:35 <spidey> :p
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> yar....?
07:35 <spidey> yea....
07:35 <Lucifer_arma> your webserver?
07:35  * spidey pokes Lucifer_arma 
07:36 <Vanhayes> spidey, is a pirate
07:36 <spidey> LOL
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> VANHAYES IS THE COMMA KING
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> the king of commas
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> the prince of punctuation
07:36 <Lucifer_arma> that's it
07:37 <spidey> Search string 'core' not found!
07:37 <Vanhayes> nah not all puncuation, mostly just commas
07:37 <Lucifer_arma> he is also the spelling sissy
07:38 <Vanhayes> how so?
07:42 <Vanhayes> #g  52,416- 88,704
07:42 <armabot> 52,416 - 88,704 = -36,288
07:43 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, i don't see where to edit it...
07:43 <spidey> i looked in languages.txt
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> that's the file you add your special file to
07:43 <spidey> languages.txt.in
07:43 <Lucifer_arma> english_base is the one you want
07:44 <spidey> yea i looked there to
07:44 <spidey> and 
07:44 <spidey> english_base_notranslate.txt
07:44 <spidey> that one to
07:44 <spidey> End of document reached.
07:44 <spidey> Continue from the beginning?
07:44 <spidey> Search string 'ciore dump' not found!
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> line 2066 of english_base.txt
07:45 <spidey> wow
07:45 <spidey> gimme some words from it
07:45 <spidey> lol
07:45 <spidey> kwrite doesn't show lines
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> view->show line numbers
07:46  * Lucifer_arma rolls eyes
07:46 <spidey> network_kill_full			The server is full.
07:46 <spidey> that's 2066
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> ummmmmm
07:46 <Lucifer_arma> english_base.txt?
07:46 <spidey> yes
07:47 <spidey> this is 2.8.2 right?
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> player_win_frag			\1 core dumped \3 for \2 points.\n
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> fine, search player_win_frag then
07:47 <Lucifer_arma> oh, I'm looking in the trunk
07:47 <spidey> Search string 'player_win_frag ...3 for \2 points.\n' not found!
07:47 <spidey> lol
07:49 <Lucifer_arma> search just player_win_frag
07:50 <spidey> Search string 'player_win_frag' not found!
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> look harder?
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> find this:
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #********************************************
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #********************************************
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #  messages about player activity
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #********************************************
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> #********************************************
07:51 <Lucifer_arma> user your eyes to find it if you need to, that's how I usually found it
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07:55 <Vanhayes> #list
07:55 <armabot> Vanhayes: Admin, Alias, CIA, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Later, Math, Misc, News, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Services, Time, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
07:56 <spidey> omg
07:56 <spidey> i found it then messed something up
07:56 <spidey> lol
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08:01 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5636 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/network/ (nNetObject.cpp nNetObject.h): Added facility for WriteSync() implementations to find out who the sync is for.
08:02  * Lizz slaps spider
08:02 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5637 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added lag compensation hack for old clients.
08:08 <spidey> ok
08:08 <spidey> setting changed
08:08  * spidey bets he did it wrong
08:08 <Vanhayes> is it up?
08:12 <Lizz> hiya vanners
08:13 <Lucifer_arma> it'll be entertaining if my laptop manages to emerge all of kde before my server finished qt4
08:18 <spidey> it worked
08:18 <spidey> lol
08:20 <Vanhayes> hey Lizz 
08:23 <spidey> gotta write the enter message about noobs
08:23 <Vanhayes> ehat about tking message?
08:24 <spidey> no,about teaching before kicking :p
08:24 <Vanhayes> What*
08:24 <Lizz> what u gonna say re noobs?
08:24 <Lizz> seeing psyko called me one >.<
08:24 <spidey> LOL
08:24 <spidey> he doesn't count
08:24 <Lizz> i kno.. fw
08:24 <Lizz> :D
08:24 <spidey> lol
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> ok, that's it.  Next time I find the alias plugin so littered with junk, I'm disabling it.
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
08:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, bug, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, unlock, and wikipedia
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> I was quite ruthless about it, I think
08:25 <Lucifer_arma> but still with a spark of generosity
08:25 <spidey> #help gcalc
08:25 <armabot> spidey: (gcalc <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google calc $*".
08:25 <spidey> #help g
08:25 <armabot> spidey: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo [google calc $*]".
08:25 <Lizz> i have nfi what ur on about luci.. but whatever u say lol
08:25 <spidey> you missed one
08:26 <spidey> :p
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> ?  those are both useful aliases
08:26 <spidey> they're both the samething
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> that doesn't mean they're not useful
08:26 <spidey> #gcalc 5*5
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> m and message are the same things too
08:26 <armabot> spidey: 5 * 5 = 25
08:26 <spidey> #g 5*5
08:26 <armabot> 5 * 5 = 25
08:27 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, should i disable kick voting?
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> I don't know, should you?
08:28 <spidey> dunno
08:28 <Lucifer_arma> personally I like to have it.  The alternative is a small army of moderators, and keeping them in check isn't something I want to do
08:28 <spidey> it's a place to help new players learn
08:28 <spidey> if they can kick they'll do that first
08:28 <spidey> but
08:28 <spidey> if one of the people that know how to play starrt fucking around
08:29 <spidey> they're stuck with them
08:29 <Lucifer_arma> in my own experience, people will abuse the lack of kick voting more often than not having it will help
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> I prefer instead to be easily accessible to players and to respond quickly and decisively when there are problems
08:30 <Lucifer_arma> I've been known to ban people for talking trash to new players...
08:30 <spidey> heh
08:30 <spidey> ah
08:30 <spidey> mmm
08:30 <spidey> 1 connection per ip
08:30 <spidey> i like that
08:31 <Vanhayes> #help wikipedia
08:31 <armabot> Vanhayes: (wikipedia <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "google site:http://en.wikipedia.org/ $*".
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> a fair amount of new players come in with a friend :)
08:31 <spidey> er
08:31 <Lucifer_arma> it's probably a minority of them...
08:31 <spidey> ok
08:31 <spidey> i'll set it to 2
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> wow, my laptop is already on package 52, and my server is still stuck on qt4
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> I didn't seriously think my laptop would finish first, but it's about halfway through
08:33 <spidey> O_o
08:34 <Lizz> if u have bot trouble spider.. set it to 1 person
08:34 <Lizz> 99% of ppl on mbc that have same IP are 1 player and a bot
08:35  * Lucifer_arma notes that mbc attracts smegheads like flies to a pile of ...
08:35 <Lizz> shit?
08:35 <spidey> LOL
08:35 <Lizz> every server has its good and bad points.. just as ppl do.. 
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> that's the aborted metaphor.  Makes more sense when I say it, I guess.  It's basically "I'm not really trying to offend..."
08:36 <Lizz> heh
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08:36 <Lizz> u wont offend me luci.. i make allowances for u :P lol
08:36 <spidey> lucifer
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08:36 <spidey> BUG_TRANSPARENCY 0  << setting that  to 1 could it help the mbc wall bugs?
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> speaking of smegheads, WHAT SPIDEY!?!?!?
08:37 <spidey> :/
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> beats me
08:37 <Lizz> plus mbc dosent have many idiots anymore.. most of them have gone to the fort servers lmao
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> heh, too true
08:37 <spidey> so true :/
08:37 <Lizz> ;-)
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> a little trivia you guys might be interested in
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> first time I saw doublegrinding:
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> it was Yaza, on Team Breakfast in Hell, I was the center, he and mom were on my sides
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> true, psyko/zop came up with it independently of yaza, but the move was used waaaay before those guys even played
08:38 <Lizz> lol i have no doubt
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> mom might remember it, we really kicked ass for awhile there because of our speed.  Grinding center is an old tactic even in deathmatch play
08:39 <spidey> mom's away pwning my server O_o
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> heh
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> he still calling himself 7?
08:40 <spidey> yea
08:40  * Lucifer_arma needs to pick a new name now
08:40  * spidey does to
08:40 <Lizz> new ppl will always come up with ideas they think are their own.. but as necessity is the mother of all invention.. chances are the "older" ppl have already crossed that bridge
08:40 <spidey> i think BlAzE got leaked
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> I wanted someone to figure me out when they said "What makes you a humanitarian?" and I said "Well, what's a vegetarian?"
08:40 <spidey> :(
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> no such luck
08:40 <spidey> lol
08:40 <spidey> er
08:41 <spidey> how do i disabled the instant win?
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> killall -9 armagetronad-dedicated ?
08:41 <spidey> hahah
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> you know, ingame help is really nice
08:41 <Vanhayes> best way to come up with a temporary name is #shuffle
08:41  * spidey isn't ingame
08:41 <spidey> xD
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> type part of what you want to see in the console and read all the helpful text it gives you
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> #shuffle
08:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (shuffle <arg> [<arg> ...]) -- Shuffles the arguments given it.
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
08:41 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, bug, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, unlock, and wikipedia
08:41 <spidey> winzone
08:41 <spidey> [0] Command WINZONE unknown.
08:41 <spidey> :/
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> ah, good.  thought I might have missed one
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> try win_zone
08:42 <Vanhayes> shuffle is a utilitie matbe
08:42 <spidey> ah
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> #help shuffle
08:42 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (shuffle <arg> [<arg> ...]) -- Shuffles the arguments given it.
08:42 <Vanhayes> #shuffle V a n h a y e s
08:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: y h s a V e a n
08:42 <Lucifer_arma> I want nemo's random name generator thing
08:42 <spidey> mm
08:43 <spidey> i don't see how
08:43 <Lucifer_arma> of course, then I'll forget what name I'm using at any point in time
08:44 <spidey> zone
08:44 <spidey> er
08:44 <Lucifer_arma> haha
08:44  * Lucifer_arma points to the other window
08:44 <spidey> [0] WIN_ZONE_MIN_LAST_DEATH
08:44 <spidey> i could raise that to a really high number
08:45 <spidey> WIN_ZONE_MIN_ROUND_TIME 
08:45 <spidey> actually that one
08:50 <spidey> weird
08:50 <spidey> my ingame clock is off a hour
08:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> morning
08:51 <spidey> but my clock is right
08:51 <spidey> :/
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08:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
08:53 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar [f]
08:53 <spidey> what's the 2.5 rule?
08:53 <spidey> wall shrink or something
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> something about your locale is fucked up
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> like maybe you set the wrong timezone and then corrected it by hand in your clock applet
08:55 <spidey> locale?
08:55 <spidey> no
08:55 <spidey> i set it to chicago
08:55 <spidey> central time
08:55 <Lucifer_arma> are you in central time?
08:55 <spidey> yes
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, isn't there something odd about chicago?
08:56 <Lucifer_arma> try changing it to CST6CDT
08:56 <spidey> i can't
08:56 <spidey> only shows country/state
08:57 <spidey> chicago is the only one in central on here
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> according to some website I just looked at, you should be fine
08:57 <Lucifer_arma> you using kde?
08:57 <spidey> yea
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> right-click the clock and chose "show local"
08:58 <Lucifer_arma> timezone->show local timezone
08:58 <spidey> it's a hour off
08:58 <spidey> daylight savings time
08:58 <spidey> er
08:58 <spidey> just a hour off
08:58 <spidey> lol
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> 1:59 right?
08:59 <spidey> it says 2:59
08:59 <spidey> it's 1:59
08:59 <Lucifer_arma> right click the clock and go to adjust date and time :)
08:59 <spidey> lol
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09:00 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5638 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eTimer.cpp: Of course, this setting doesn't have to be network aware.
09:05 <spidey> gay
09:05 <spidey> i can division in my head
09:05 <spidey> but i can't multiply
09:05 <spidey> well i can
09:05 <spidey> just not in my head
09:05 <spidey> can do*
09:11 <[NP]Tangent> spidey * 2 = 2gay
09:11 <[NP]Tangent> :P
09:11 <spidey> :/
09:11 <spidey> kcacls result fir :/ = Error
09:11 <spidey> kcalcs*
09:12 <spidey> for*
09:12 <spidey> gaaaaaaaaaah
09:13 <spidey> ohhh
09:13 <[NP]Tangent> spidey = error
09:13 <spidey> this will be a math test i WON'T have to write the formulas on my hand
09:14 <spidey> xD
09:14  * spidey slaps [NP]Tangent 
09:14 <[NP]Tangent> :(
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09:14  * [NP]Tangent tells his mommy
09:14  * spidey tells his mommy too
09:14 <spidey> Lizz, [NP]Tangent is abusing me!
09:15 <[NP]Tangent> I was just helping him with his math homework!
09:15 <spidey> lies,all lies
09:15 <[NP]Tangent> sshh
09:15 <[NP]Tangent> I'm compiling LMMS with VST support
09:15 <[NP]Tangent> AND IT HAD BETTER WORK
09:15 <spidey> it won't
09:15 <[NP]Tangent> or I'm not going to be able to use my sytrus sounds any more :(
09:15 <[NP]Tangent> pah
09:15 <[NP]Tangent> what do you know
09:16 <[NP]Tangent> you're spidey
09:16 <spidey> O_o
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09:16 <[NP]Tangent> #insult spidey
09:16 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a thick gob of common-kissing toenails. 
09:16  * spidey cries
09:16 <spidey> just for that
09:17 <spidey> i take voodoo doll,and take a pin with "compiling LMMS with VST support won't work" and sticks it
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09:17 <[NP]Tangent> nice going
09:18 <[NP]Tangent> you killed Tard
09:18 <spidey> lol
09:18 <spidey> must have been the wrong doll
09:18 <spidey> :/
09:18 <[NP]Tangent> HOW COULD YOU KILL TARD?
09:20 <spidey> simple
09:20 <spidey> watch
09:20 <spidey> spidey i take voodoo doll,and take a pin with "compiling LMMS with VST support won't work" and sticks it
09:20 <spidey> * SuPeRTaRD-bbl has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
09:22 <[NP]Tangent> maybe
09:22 <[NP]Tangent> I might need to compile this damned SDK
09:22 <[NP]Tangent> >:(
09:22 <spidey> pwned
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09:23 <spidey> omg
09:23 <spidey> http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/2006/07/10/Silent_ContexYZ_by_MisterKholl/12.html
09:23 <spidey> i want
09:23 <spidey> i want i want i want
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
09:25 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: #, 42, add, admin, all, answer, armabot, armabot,, armabot\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\:, b, barf, canada, ch, chatlog, clash, digg, eightballs, eliza, f, fe, fluffy, fortune, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, help, hose, ignoreme, insight, it's, joke, knock, less, lipsum, lock, log, log, lotto, lucifer, lukejr, m, man, mashuffle, message, mfaq, morning, (1 more message)
09:25 <Lucifer_arma> fuck
09:25 <spidey> ?
09:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> spidey: looks nice
09:25 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #barf
09:25 <armabot> /me throws up all over 
09:26 <spidey> Lucifer_arma, you have to kill supy before editing anything 
09:26 <spidey> or it overwrights when it shuts down
09:27 <Lucifer_arma> or I could make sure when my server reboots it reboots to the gentoo partition instead of the mandrake one
09:27 <spidey> lol
09:28 <Vanhayes_> #insight
09:28 -!- armabot [n=supybot@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
09:28 <Vanhayes_> ....
09:28 <spidey> (02:24:28) john____________________________: Hi center.cen, STEALTHBOMBER V.3 OWNS YOU!! >:)>:)>:)>:)>:)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
09:28 <spidey> wtf
09:28 <spidey> stupid ass yahoo people
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09:29 <Vanhayes_> #night
09:29 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes_!
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09:30 <Lucifer_arma> #list alias
09:30 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: add, bug, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, unlock, and wikipedia
09:30 <Lucifer_arma> now I'll go see if x started
09:36 <Lizz> g2g.. nite guys.. take care :)
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09:42 <[NP]Tangent> #insight
09:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wtf
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09:43 <[NP]Tangent> hm
09:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> where is my "ch" alias gone?
09:43 <[NP]Tangent> someone needs to fix that
09:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
09:43 <[NP]Tangent> it kills the bot
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09:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
09:44 <[Xpert]DarkStar> >:(
09:47 <Lucifer_arma> I cleaned up the aliases, and I'm not happy about it
09:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #print  + 
09:50 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #echo  + 
09:50 <armabot>  + 
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias add ch 'echo  + '
09:51 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The operation succeeded.
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> -.-
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias ch
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias list
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #list alias
09:51 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: add, bug, ch, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, unlock, and wikipedia
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
09:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> why doesn't it work?
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09:55 -!- Irssi: #armagetron: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 13 normal]
09:55 -!- Irssi: Join to #armagetron was synced in 4 secs
09:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :(
09:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #echo  + 
09:55 <armabot>  + 
09:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #insight
09:58 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The broad diminishment of the ozone layer will enslave the entrenchment of our human psyche.
09:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #man
09:58 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: (man <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/man.php?c=$1&p=@1".
09:58 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #man audacious
09:58 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
10:02 <wrtlprnft> did i miss anything?
10:03 <spidey> no
10:03 <wrtlprnft> 06:00 <Lucifer_arma> nag wrtlprnft about it when you see him next :)
10:03 <wrtlprnft> yes i did
10:03 <anjori> you probably missed the biggest thing thats ever happened in this channel
10:03 <[NP]Tangent> HAH SPIDEY
10:03 <[NP]Tangent> MY VST WORKS
10:03 <[NP]Tangent> :P
10:03 <spidey> :<
10:04 <mkzelda> How about an alias that produces "svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad armagetronad"
10:04 <wrtlprnft> omit the final "armagetronad"
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10:05 <wrtlprnft> it's optional, and if you omit it you can name the dir something else
10:05  * anjori can't decide if he wants to bother with ITW
10:05 <mkzelda> right
10:05 <mkzelda> put <dirname>
10:05 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is itw
10:05 <armabot> wrtlprnft: itw: nothing appropriate
10:06 <mkzelda> but i always have to do some googling to find the path
10:06 <anjori> you signed up for it, and you dont know? :P
10:06 <mkzelda> and it'd be nice to have an alias here
10:06 <anjori> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup
10:06 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: uh, i never type the whole thing
10:06 <wrtlprnft> just say ^Rarmagetromad/a
10:07 <wrtlprnft> *armagetronad
10:07 <wrtlprnft> or any path of the command you can remember
10:07 <mkzelda> tron world cup
10:07 <mkzelda> itwc
10:07 <mkzelda> IVTC
10:07 <wrtlprnft> assuming your history is big enough
10:07 <mkzelda> nah, im installing on machines that are fresh
10:07 <mkzelda> no history
10:08 <wrtlprnft> copy over your history
10:08 <wrtlprnft> share your history over NFS!
10:08 <mkzelda> whats the point of that
10:08 <mkzelda> i might as well google it
10:08 <mkzelda> it was a simple request for a bot alias :/
10:08 <mkzelda> that was the whole idea
10:09 <wrtlprnft> then make one
10:09 <mkzelda> a legitimate reason for an alias, one that'd save me some time at least
10:09 <mkzelda> bot doesnt listen to me
10:09 <wrtlprnft> really?
10:09 <wrtlprnft> it ignores you?
10:09 <spidey> maybe it doesn't like zelda?
10:09 <mkzelda> yea, i havent tried it in a while
10:09 <mkzelda> tho
10:09 <mkzelda> maybe it doesnt now
10:09 <mkzelda> #help
10:09 <armabot> mkzelda: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
10:09 <mkzelda> hrm
10:09 <wrtlprnft> there ya go
10:09 <mkzelda> #help alias
10:09 <armabot> mkzelda: Error: There is no command "alias".
10:10 <wrtlprnft>  #alias add aliasname echo whateveryouhave to say
10:10  * spidey goes to look for kde themes
10:10 <mkzelda> what would u remember svn? svnco?
10:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias add ch echo  + 
10:10 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: The operation succeeded.
10:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
10:10 <armabot>  + 
10:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :D
10:11 <spidey> lucifer's gonna be mad :p
10:11 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN
10:11 <mkzelda> #alias add svn svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>
10:11 <armabot> mkzelda: The operation succeeded.
10:11 <mkzelda> yea i know that url
10:11 <wrtlprnft> make that a bookmark or something?
10:11 <wrtlprnft> won't work
10:11 <spidey> #svn
10:11 <[NP]Tangent> #alias add s insult spidey
10:11 <wrtlprnft> #alias add svn svn co
10:11 <armabot> [NP]Tangent: The operation succeeded.
10:11 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:11 <wrtlprnft> grr
10:11 <[NP]Tangent> #s
10:11 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a rump-fed bucket of rude-snouted balls. 
10:11 <mkzelda> what are the limitations
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> you guys are going to clean up after yourselves, right?
10:12 <spidey> heh
10:12 <mkzelda> i was trying to add a useful one
10:12 <[NP]Tangent> dunno how
10:12 <wrtlprnft> #alias add svn echo svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>
10:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:12 <wrtlprnft> #svn
10:12 <armabot> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>
10:12 <[NP]Tangent> I was trying to replace the one that was there a couple weeks ago
10:12 <Lucifer_arma> I cleaned up quite a few aliases that were obviously failed attempts that whoever created didn't bother to remove
10:12  * wrtlprnft is just correcting mkzelda's alais now
10:12 <mkzelda> ty
10:13 <wrtlprnft> #alias add svn echo svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
10:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
10:13 <wrtlprnft> #svn
10:13 <armabot> svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
10:13 <spidey> #list alias
10:13 <armabot> spidey: add, bug, ch, chatlog, digg, dotdotdot, g, gcalc, goodbye, hello, insight, lock, log, log, m, man, message, mfaq, morning, night, q, realchatlogs, remove, s, svn, unlock, and wikipedia
10:13 <wrtlprnft> #help mfaq
10:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (mfaq <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo set CYCLE_DELAY above 0 to avoid bikes jumping to the wrong side of trails when doubling back on trails".
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> #help s
10:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (s <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "insult spidey".
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> #remove s
10:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "remove" is available in the Alias, Herald, News, Praise, Quote, and RSS plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "remove".
10:13 <Lucifer_arma> #alias remove s
10:13 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:14 <spidey> pwned
10:14 <wrtlprnft> #insult spidey 
10:14 <mkzelda> on lagfarm sumo i had some interesting lag
10:14 <armabot> spidey - You are nothing but a tottering ass-full of despicable pods. 
10:14 <mkzelda> was going like 3x speed
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with add s
10:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)
10:14 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: "add s"
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with "add s"
10:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [03:14:34] <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: "add s"
10:14 <mkzelda> others saw it as me jumping across the grid but i saw it as driving 3 times the usual speed
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> jerk
10:14 <spidey> lol
10:14 <mkzelda> it lasted a whole round one time
10:14 <wrtlprnft> haha
10:14 <Lucifer_arma> #last --with "alias add s"
10:14 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: [03:13:22] <wrtlprnft> #alias add svn echo svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname> (more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
10:14 <spidey> #last --from [NP]Tangent --with add s
10:14 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
10:14 <wrtlprnft> pwnt
10:15 <spidey> #last --from [NP]Tangent --with "add s"
10:15 <armabot> spidey: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
10:15 <spidey> #last --from "[NP]Tangent" --with "add s"
10:15 <armabot> spidey: [03:11:45] <[NP]Tangent> #alias add s insult spidey
10:15 <spidey> :p
10:15 <mkzelda> ty, thats good help :)
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> #help ignore
10:15 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (ignore requires no arguments) -- Does nothing. Useful sometimes for sequencing commands when you don't care about their non-error return values.
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> #help admin ignore
10:15 <wrtlprnft> #ignore
10:15 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no command "admin ignore".
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> #help owner ignore
10:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no command "owner ignore".
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> #owner help ignore
10:16 <spidey> lol
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> #ignore
10:16 <wrtlprnft> #list owner
10:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> did I just make it ignore me?
10:16 <wrtlprnft> no
10:16 <spidey> lmao
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> #list owner
10:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: announce, defaultcapability, defaultplugin, disable, enable, flush, ircquote, load, log, quit, reload, rename, unload, unrename, and upkeep
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> #list channel
10:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: alert, ban add, ban list, ban remove, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, invite, kban, key, kick, limit, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, mode, moderate, nicks, op, unban, unmoderate, and voice
10:16 <wrtlprnft> #list user
10:16 <armabot> wrtlprnft: capabilities, changename, hostmask, hostmask add, hostmask list, hostmask remove, identify, list, register, set password, set secure, stats, unidentify, unregister, username, and whoami
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> #ignore add
10:16 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "ignore add" is available in the Admin and Channel plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "ignore add".
10:16 <Lucifer_arma> #channel ignore add
10:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
10:17 <wrtlprnft> admin :D
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> #whoami
10:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: I don't recognize you.
10:17 <spidey> lol
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> #whoami
10:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Lucifer_arma
10:17 <wrtlprnft> what a traitor of bot
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> #channel ignore add
10:17 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (channel ignore add [<channel>] <nick|hostmask> [<expires>]) -- If you have the #channel,op capability, this will set a persistent ignore on <hostmask> or the hostmask currently associated with <nick>. <expires> is an optional argument specifying when (in "seconds from now") the ignore will expire; if it isn't given, the ignore will never automatically expire. <channel> is only (1 more message)
10:17 <wrtlprnft> not channel!
10:17 <Lucifer_arma> why not channel?
10:18 <wrtlprnft> channel is a totally useless plugin if the bot isn't an operator
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> ahhhh, right
10:18 <wrtlprnft> you need admin
10:18 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add
10:18 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (admin ignore add <hostmask|nick> [<expires>]) -- Ignores <hostmask> or, if a nick is given, ignores whatever hostmask that nick is currently using. <expires> is a "seconds from now" value that determines when the ignore will expire; if, for instance, you wish for the ignore to expire in an hour, you could give an <expires> of 3600. If no <expires> is given, the ignore will never (1 more message)
10:18 <wrtlprnft> #more Lucifer_arma 
10:18 <armabot> wrtlprnft: automatically expire.
10:19 <wrtlprnft> #admin ignore list
10:19 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
10:19 <wrtlprnft> gah
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> #g 24*60*60
10:19 <armabot> 24 * 60 * 60 = 86,400
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add n=hyperdev@71-211-201-61.hlrn.qwest.net 86400
10:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'n=hyperdev@71-211-201-61.hlrn.qwest.net' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> is too
10:19 <wrtlprnft> just use [NP]Tangent 
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add hyperdev@71-211-201-61.hlrn.qwest.net 86400
10:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: 'hyperdev@71-211-201-61.hlrn.qwest.net' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
10:19 <spidey> lucifer
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add [NP]Tangent  86400
10:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: '[NP]' is not a valid nick or hostmask.
10:19 <wrtlprnft> if a nick is given, ignores whatever hostmask that nick is currently using
10:19 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add "[NP]Tangent"  86400
10:19 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
10:19 <spidey> omg
10:19 <spidey> stop
10:19 <spidey> wait
10:20 <spidey> shhh
10:20 <spidey> ok
10:20 <spidey> do this
10:20 <Lucifer_arma> I just told him just a few minutes before that not to go and add a bunch of useless aliases
10:20 <wrtlprnft> #help ignoreme
10:20 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: There is no command "ignoreme".
10:20 <spidey>    #admin ignore add *@71-211-201-61.hlrn.qwest.net 86400
10:20 <spidey> there
10:20 <spidey> or
10:20  * wrtlprnft doesn't think [NP]Tangent will try to trick the bot
10:20 <spidey>    #admin ignore add *!*@71-211-201-61.hlrn.qwest.net 86400
10:21 <spidey> there it is :p
10:21 <wrtlprnft> it's just you, spidey, who doesn't get the message
10:21 <spidey> what?
10:21 <spidey> i don't even make alias's for the thing
10:21 <wrtlprnft> no
10:21 <spidey> WRTLPRNFT
10:21 <wrtlprnft> but you try to get around being ignored
10:21 <spidey> :)
10:21 <spidey> ugh
10:21 <spidey> no i didn't
10:21 <wrtlprnft> I don't think [NP]Tangent will change his username
10:21 <spidey> i really don't care
10:21 <spidey> i only used it for math
10:22 <wrtlprnft> i mean, you TRIED
10:22 <spidey> .......
10:22 <wrtlprnft> and renamed yourself, changed your IP, etc
10:22 <spidey> get ya shit straight
10:22 <spidey> if i wanted to
10:22 <spidey> i could
10:22 <spidey> and no i didn't change my ip just for getting around the bot
10:22 <spidey> tyvm
10:22 <wrtlprnft> the emphasis is on trieD
10:22 <spidey> luci ignore .charter foo
10:22 <wrtlprnft> or around Lucifer_arma's attempt to silence you
10:23 <spidey> even if i changed my ip
10:23 <spidey> it doesn't count
10:23 <mkzelda> lol, why dont u 2 get married
10:23 <[NP]Tangent> Lucifer
10:23 <wrtlprnft> #whoisshe wrtlprnft 
10:23 <Lucifer_arma> not as in "tried and failed", as in "persisted"
10:23 <wrtlprnft> whoisshe was fun :S
10:23 <[NP]Tangent> you didn't say anything about useless aliases before I did it
10:24 <mkzelda> <Lucifer_arma> look, no more of these useless aliases, ok?
10:24 <mkzelda> <Lucifer_arma> if it gets out of hand again, I'm just going to disable the aliases plugin
10:24  * wrtlprnft feels bad about helping Lucifer_arma with the silence command :s
10:24  * wrtlprnft hides from [NP]Tangent 
10:24  * wrtlprnft hides behind spidey 
10:24  * spidey grabs wrtlprnft and holds him infront of [NP]Tangent 
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> [03:11] <[NP]Tangent> #alias add s insult spidey
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> [02:53] <Lucifer_arma> look, no more of these useless aliases, ok?
10:25 <Lucifer_arma> [02:54] <Lucifer_arma> if it gets out of hand again, I'm just going to disable the aliases plugin
10:25 <mkzelda> i wish xchat would let you copy timestamps
10:25 <wrtlprnft> timestamps are annoying sometimes
10:25 <mkzelda> yea
10:25 <mkzelda> i could see how it'd be a nice feature
10:26 <Lucifer_arma> timestamps were an important part of those copies :)
10:26 <mkzelda> but most of my copy/pasting is something like this
10:26 <wrtlprnft> especially since they don't say a lot if you don't know the timezone
10:26 <mkzelda> it didnt matter about timezone, only relative
10:26 <mkzelda> it said all it needed to in that scenario
10:27 <mkzelda> oh wrtlprnft the new font puts the menu item descriptions off the edge of the screen
10:27 <[NP]Tangent> Lucifer, I didn't see that anywhere
10:27 <[NP]Tangent> so my bad
10:27 <wrtlprnft> you mean those help things?
10:27 <mkzelda> yea
10:27 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: do you have an example one?
10:27 <wrtlprnft> because i think i made them wrap
10:27 <mkzelda> yea the tip for FLUSH
10:28 <wrtlprnft> let me check
10:28 <mkzelda> FINISH actually
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> > [02:43] <[Xpert]DarkStar> where is my "ch" alias gone?
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> > [02:43] <[NP]Tangent> someone needs to fix that
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> > [02:43] <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> > [02:43] <[NP]Tangent> it kills the bot
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> > [02:44] <[Xpert]DarkStar> #ch
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> > [02:44] <[Xpert]DarkStar> >:(
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> > [02:48] <Lucifer_arma> I cleaned up the aliases, and I'm not happy about it
10:28 <Lucifer_arma> konversation is soooo cool
10:29 <mkzelda> Swap Mode: Finish
10:29 <Lucifer_arma> I realize a lot can happen in 5 minutes, but this isn't anything new, sorry
10:29 <wrtlprnft> mkzelda: yeah, i see
10:30 <wrtlprnft> but i dunno how to fix it. for example, it doesn't happen with FONT_FILE font.ttf
10:30 <mkzelda> i didnt investigate further to see if other things did it
10:30 <mkzelda> i just happened to notice that
10:30 <mkzelda> and quit looking
10:32 <spidey> mmm
10:32 <wrtlprnft> hard to fix right now, I'd like to let that wait until we have real text boxes
10:33 <wrtlprnft> because any fix right now would mean we'd have to wrap the text twice per frame
10:33 <wrtlprnft> which is expensive with proportional fonts
10:34 <spidey> :(
10:34 <spidey> i wish i was better at adding and multiplying :/
10:44 <mkzelda> sheesh, paypal takes 9% of all tansactions now
10:44 <spidey> O_o
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10:47 <anjori> 9%? wow.
10:49 <mkzelda> yea i remember when it didnt cost at all
10:51  * wrtlprnft remembers when you didn't need a credit card for everything
10:54  * anjori remembers how viable free long distance and free web space was ;)
10:55 <anjori> those were the days
10:55  * mkzelda remembers when atari 2600 was the hotness
10:55  * wrtlprnft has 90GB free webspace
10:56 <mkzelda> o crap its 5am
10:56 <wrtlprnft> eastern time?
10:56 <mkzelda> yea
10:56 <mkzelda> i can get 4 hrs sleep
10:57 <mkzelda> later
10:57 <wrtlprnft> 11AM here
10:57 <wrtlprnft> night
10:57 <anjori> thats what i keep telling myself, too. but i'm skeptical
10:57 <anjori> wrtlprnft: thought youre in canada?
10:57 <wrtlprnft> i was
10:57 <wrtlprnft> for 10 months, but I'm back now
10:57 <wrtlprnft> in germany
10:58 <anjori> ah, okay.  cause you put you name up for canada on the tron world cup page, and confused me further
10:58 <wrtlprnft> germany has more than enough players
10:58 <anjori> that's true.
11:01 <anjori> there was this girl over here studying from germany at the place i was volunteering at. and i had to bring up a book i read that took place over there and was translated to english because thats the only way i could relate to anything german, and i'm a huge lame-o :)
11:03 <spidey> haha
11:04 <spidey> is psyko playing in the iwt?
11:04 <spidey> actually what's the url?
11:04 <wrtlprnft> he is i think
11:04 <anjori> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/International_Tron_World_Cup
11:06 <spidey> can i play for canada? ;D
11:06  * spidey won't play on psyko's team if he doens't have to
11:06 <wrtlprnft> ask vanhayes
11:08 <anjori> pfft. isnt the whole point of a world tournament that you play for your country? :P
11:09 <spidey> your? i only live here
11:09  * spidey would rather live somewhere in the north
11:09 <spidey> i love cold weather
11:09 <wrtlprnft> it's blazing hot in winnipeg right now
11:10 <anjori> but you're in germany!
11:10  * anjori used to live in winnipeg
11:10 <wrtlprnft> well, not right now
11:10 <spidey> kcalc answer for "lol" = error
11:10 <wrtlprnft> 17 degrees
11:10 <wrtlprnft> #g lol
11:10 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
11:11 <spidey> i ment to type lol in here
11:11 <spidey> and i entered it in kcalc
11:11 <spidey> lol
11:11 <anjori> but were you actually laughing out loud?
11:12 <anjori> i have a hard time imagining that people are actually laughing audibly every time someone dies in tron
11:12 <spidey> actually
11:12 <spidey> i do
11:12 <spidey> xD
11:12 <spidey> only when i type lol though
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11:17  * Lucifer_arma remembers enjoying Tron in the theater
11:18 <spidey> i seen that movie
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> I usually read lol as "likes orange lollipops"
11:19 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
11:19 <anjori> did you saw it, too?
11:19 <anjori> g'night, luci.
11:20 <spidey>                                       sleep's for slackers!                         
11:21 <anjori> sleep for weaks!
11:23 <wrtlprnft> heh, i like that one
11:24 <spidey> lol
11:24 <wrtlprnft> not to confuse with "sleep for weeks"
11:26 <anjori> grr. if xchat can flash the taskbar entry on a highlighted word, why the hell cant it do it when something is said, period?
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12:34 <cusco> #alias add pt echo _o__
12:34 <armabot> cusco: The operation succeeded.
12:34 <cusco> lol
12:34 <cusco> #pt
12:34 <armabot> _o__
12:54 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma will be happy
13:00 <cusco> I was reading backwards
13:00 <cusco> and I saw the ch
13:00 <cusco> :P
13:01 <wrtlprnft> yeah, and [NP]Tangent got ignored by armabot for that
13:01 <wrtlprnft> read further
13:01 <cusco> oops
13:01 <wrtlprnft> #alias remove pt
13:01 <wrtlprnft> ;)
13:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
13:02 <cusco> oki dooki
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13:07 <cusco> madmax|pt: madmax|pt madmax|pt madmax|pt 
13:10 <madmax|pt> o_O
13:10 <madmax|pt> hello
13:14 <spidey> o_0
13:20 <spidey> "Thou who hast beenth core dumpth shall be considerth 'pwned'." ---Durka (I just made that up right now) 
13:20 <spidey> lol
13:20  * spidey is suprised he didn't write it in color
13:20 <spidey> xD
13:26 <wrtlprnft> ��rain stopped using colors :)
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14:11 <madmax|pt> i particularly find funny those "def down" instants that look more like a party invitation
14:12 <cusco> lol
14:13 <cusco> colours are good to make you notice
14:13 <wrtlprnft> the only thing thats colored for mine is the s
14:14 <cusco> the s?
14:15 <madmax|pt> yes, i use colors in def down too, but not five or six
14:16 <cusco> heheheh
14:16 <cusco> eu so uso uma
14:16 <cusco> :P
14:17 <cusco> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5164450.stm
14:17 <cusco> ms shuts down win98
14:24 <wrtlprnft> long time ago they did
14:24 <madmax|pt> From 11 July, Microsoft will no longer help users over the phone with any problems they have with the ageing operating system.
14:24 <madmax|pt> The firm will also stop providing security updates for Windows 98 from the same date. 
14:24 <wrtlprnft> or they planned that date
14:25 <wrtlprnft> sorry, the pc of my parents is so lame and openoffice is too resource hungry, as is anything >win98
14:25 <@guru3> YES
14:25 <@guru3> SHEFFIELD WILL TAKE ME ANYWAY
14:25 <@guru3> :D :D :D :D
14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvv mkzelda cusco GodTodd] by guru3
14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvv armabot Lucifer_arma wejp] by guru3
14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvv wrtlprnft madmax|pt [Xpert]DarkStar] by guru3
14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+vvv spidey [NP]Tangent SuPeRTaRD] by guru3
14:26 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v deja_vu_] by guru3
14:26 <@guru3> voices for everyone in celebration :D
14:27 <+wrtlprnft> o_O
14:27 <+wrtlprnft> grats
14:28 <+wrtlprnft> cusco: that article somehow repeats itself
14:29 <+wrtlprnft> cusco: did i tell you already that article repeats itself?
14:29 <+wrtlprnft> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5164450.stm <-- an article that repeats itself
14:30 <@guru3> let's screw with ms
14:30 <@guru3> and all install windows 98
14:30 <+wrtlprnft> no way I'm installing "a more secure operating system such as Windows XP"
14:32 <+wrtlprnft> why does my dad still have to deal with those darn .doc files? Otherwise I'd just put some sort of linux on it
14:32 <@guru3> what i'm considering doing
14:32 <@guru3> is one time when my parents are out
14:32 <@guru3> installing linux
14:32 <@guru3> and pointing vmware at the windows partition
14:32 <@guru3> then running it full screen
14:32 <+cusco> wrtlprnft: no you didn't
14:32 <@guru3> so it still looks like they are running linux >:D
14:33 <+wrtlprnft> uh, that makes no sense, really
14:33 <@guru3> hahaha
14:33 <@guru3> maybe not
14:33 <@guru3> but oh well
14:34 <+wrtlprnft> anyone forcing others to use .doc files should be shot
14:34 <+wrtlprnft> we have .odt
14:36 <+wrtlprnft> the trouble is that my dad still thinks ms-office is "professional" software and anything else must be crap
14:44 <@guru3> well there is that nice adobe authoring plugin for ms office
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15:48 <+wrtlprnft> there are those nice free plugins for ms-office that always display interesting information on how to get penis enlargements, you don't even need to install them yourself
15:51 <[Xpert]DarkStar> anyone know how to get a hp colorlaserjet 1600 working with linux?
15:52 <+wrtlprnft> #google hp colorlaserjet 1600 linux
15:52 <+armabot> wrtlprnft: Search took 0.85 seconds: Printers - ZDNet Reviews: <http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/4566-3155_16-0.html>; Printers - CNET Reviews: <http://reviews.cnet.com/4566-3155_7-0.html?sa=500428>; Printers - CNET Reviews: <http://reviews.cnet.com/4566-3155_7-0.html>; foo2hp: a linux printer driver for ZJS protocol (eg HP Color ...: <http://foo2hp.rkkda.com/>; LinuxPrinting.org HP Color (2 more messages)
15:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> that driver listed there
15:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> is not working for me
15:53 <[Xpert]DarkStar> or rather: the printer is not responding and i have no clue why
15:53 <+wrtlprnft> <stupidquestion>Is it plugged in?</stupidquestion>
15:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> /bin/sh: /sbin/lsusb: No such file or directory
15:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oops
15:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 03f0:3a17 Hewlett-Packard 
15:55 <[Xpert]DarkStar> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000  
15:56 <[Xpert]DarkStar> no it's not ;)
16:00 <[Xpert]DarkStar> any other ideas?
16:00 <+wrtlprnft> uh, no :(
16:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wonderful
16:02 <[Xpert]DarkStar> can't stop cups anymore
16:06 <+wrtlprnft> killall -9 cups
16:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> could stop it the normal way too
16:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and restart
16:13 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and still no work
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16:49 <+luke-jr_> guru3: wtf?
16:50 <+luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: why not flat out tell him he's wrong about Office?
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17:01 <@guru3> luke-jr_: he's not
17:01 <@guru3> it's just the adobe bit
17:01 <@guru3> is kind of useful
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17:27 <+spidey> goddamn
17:27 <+spidey> fucking 45 minutes
17:27 <+spidey> i gotta get up NOW and sit here untill then
17:27 <+spidey> fuckin old people :/
17:31 <+madmax|pt> huh?
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17:49 <+spidey> i was planning to stop smoking today
17:50 <+spidey> but after the way this morning started i threw that out
18:04 <+[NP]Tangent> what happened, spidey?
18:05 <+luke-jr_> ...
18:05 <+[NP]Tangent> oh
18:05  * [NP]Tangent looks up
18:05 <+spidey> turns out
18:05 <+spidey> wasn't 45 minutes
18:05 <+spidey> it's 2 hours early
18:05 <+spidey> just to take a shower
18:05 <+spidey> who takes a 2 hour shower!?!?!?!?!!??!
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18:48 <luke-jr_> if anyone says voip can't do fax
18:48 <luke-jr_> tell em bs
18:48 <luke-jr_> =p
18:49  * luke-jr_ just received 2 pages and sent 4
18:52 <+wrtlprnft> wtf is the point of that?
18:52 <luke-jr_> ?
18:52 <luke-jr_> sending faxes
18:52 <luke-jr_> =p
18:53 <+wrtlprnft> you're digitalizing something just to make it analog again, then you digitalize the voice again, compress it, make it sound again, make it digital and print it
18:55 <luke-jr_> lol
18:55 <luke-jr_> you have a better way to send a fax? =p
18:55 <luke-jr_> for about 1 penny
18:55 <+wrtlprnft> even better if you printed the thing out before
18:56 <luke-jr_> lol
18:56 <+wrtlprnft> and the thing you printed out is a scanned-in picture from an analog camera
18:56 <luke-jr_> does WalMart digitization count?
18:56 <+wrtlprnft> and the photo is of a screen showing another image you got by the same method
18:57 <luke-jr_> =p
18:57 <luke-jr_> anyway, no
18:57 <luke-jr_> just faxing back something they faxed me
18:57 <luke-jr_> filled out
19:00 <+wrtlprnft> what's your phone number? I wanna fax you some black paper
19:01 <luke-jr_> no thx
19:01 <luke-jr_> besides, you have my #
19:01 <luke-jr_> i've posted it here
19:01 <luke-jr_> so it's in your logs
19:01 <+wrtlprnft> or even better, an infinite loop of black paper
19:01  * wrtlprnft won't bother looking since he has no fax
19:01 <luke-jr_> lol
19:02 <luke-jr_> my fax machine isn't connected to the line right now anyhow
19:03 <luke-jr_> I've got a few #s
19:03 <luke-jr_> Kansas City, Omaha, and Atchison,KS
19:03 <luke-jr_> and an 800#, but that's for a client
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20:22 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
20:22 <+armabot> Vanhayes: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
20:50 <+Lucifer_arma> guru3: CONGRATULATIONS!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:56 <+wrtlprnft> gah, z-man didn't merge 0.2.8 yet :S
20:57 <+wrtlprnft> and the new xorg seems to be quite a bit slower than the old one
20:57 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler
20:57 <+armabot> Lucifer_arma: (addhandler <channel> <shortname> <searchstring> <actiontype> <action>) -- Adds a new handler for commit messages. Actiontype specifies what type of action to do. Currently only "echo" and "cmd" are supported.
20:57  * wrtlprnft considers masking >=xorg-7
20:57 <+Lucifer_arma> #addhandler commitnotifier armagetronad echo $message
20:57 <+armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
20:58 <+Lucifer_arma> #listhandlers
20:58 <+armabot> Lucifer_arma: commitnotifier
20:58 <+wrtlprnft> err
20:58 <+wrtlprnft> shouldn't there be more?
20:58 <+Lucifer_arma> it's not saving them for some reason
20:58 <+Lucifer_arma> yeah, there's supposed to be at least two more
21:00 <+wrtlprnft> is there actually any code that saves them?
21:03 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl5-9-151.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit ["Leaving"]
21:07 <+spidey|away> grrrrrrrr
21:08 <+spidey|away> i have a hatred for people,i swear
21:08 <+wrtlprnft> grrrrrrRRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrrRrRrRrrrrr
21:08 <+spidey|away> wrtlprnft, included
21:08 -!- spidey|away is now known as spidey
21:09 <+wrtlprnft> a compliment if it comes from you
21:10  * wrtlprnft wonders if McSpiddles is included
21:10 -!- spidey [n=spidey@unaffiliated/mcspiddles] has left #armagetron []
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21:10 <spidey> says so in the host name :>
21:11 <+wrtlprnft> so?
21:11 <spidey> reminds me
21:11  * spidey  is getting a vhost O_o
21:11  * wrtlprnft doesn't see a reason to hide his hostname, everyone can find it out using wrtlprnft.ath.cx
21:11 <spidey> so
21:12 <spidey> everyone can find out using spidey.no-ip.org
21:12 <spidey> i don't wanna hide it
21:12 <spidey> consider it advertisment
21:13 <+wrtlprnft> isn't that what quit messages are for?
21:14 <spidey> yea
21:16  * wrtlprnft hates clients that put ads in quit messages
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21:16 <spidey> just edit the .ini
21:16 <spidey> just edit the .ini
21:16 -!- Irssi: Join to #armagetron was synced in 11 secs
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21:16 <spidey> change the quit message to whatever
21:16 <spidey> oh,linux
21:16 <spidey> well....edit the whatever file
21:16 <+wrtlprnft> ?
21:16 <spidey> on windows most irc clients have a .ini
21:16 <spidey> you can change settings in it
21:16 <+wrtlprnft> great
21:16 <spidey> not sure about linux
21:17 <+wrtlprnft> irssi has /set
21:17 <+wrtlprnft> and a config file where the stuff is saved
21:17 <+wrtlprnft> who even knows about the quit message his client leaves?
21:17 <spidey> noone
21:17 <+wrtlprnft> it's like having some ad printed on your back that everyone sees but you
21:17 <spidey> unless they use 2 clients
21:17 <spidey> :>
21:18 <+wrtlprnft> that's what i just checked with wrtlprnft_
21:18 <+wrtlprnft> 21:18 quit_message = wussed out and left
21:18 <+wrtlprnft> ah, that's the default for my clien
21:18 <+wrtlprnft> t
21:19 <+wrtlprnft> at least not something like "IRSSI! The great IRC client of the future! Use it! Haha to the noob who didn't change this message"
21:19 <spidey> lol
21:23 <+Lucifer_arma> can I send someone an email?
21:23 <spidey> spidey.owns@yahoo.com
21:23 <+Lucifer_arma> someone give me an email address they can check
21:23 <+Lucifer_arma> thanks, email sent
21:23 <spidey> sec
21:23 <+Lucifer_arma> hopefully it won't bounce off a spam filter
21:24 <spidey> nope
21:24 <spidey> come straight in
21:24 <spidey> came*
21:24 <+Lucifer_arma> ok, thanks.  :)
21:24 <spidey> wow
21:24 <spidey> i got 31 bulk emails
21:25 <spidey> better than when i did acron job with the wrong directory
21:25 <spidey> fuckin 4k emails
21:25 <+Lucifer_arma> heh
21:25 <spidey> do not have it email you if you do a cron job every 10 minutes
21:26 <spidey> you'll get flooded
21:26 <spidey> lol
21:26 <+Lucifer_arma> no shit.  I had one back when I had a 5 minute cronjob that rotated the maps on my server
21:26 <spidey> heh
21:26 <spidey> i forgot what i was doing
21:26 <spidey> ohhhh
21:27 <spidey> a arma server on one of my old host's
21:28  * spidey considers starting a reseller hosting thing
21:30  * Lucifer_arma suggests you all talk to antix before you go rent a dedicated server and try to sell hosting on it
21:30 <spidey> ?
21:30 <spidey> i know where i can get one for $40 a month
21:30 <spidey> plus someone who would go in half
21:31 <spidey> he used to sell hosting
21:31 <spidey> so between us 2 it'd be pretty much covered O_o
21:31 <+wrtlprnft> if there wasn't all that legal crap i would go and rent arma servers
21:32 <spidey> mmm?
21:32 <+wrtlprnft> err, not rent
21:32 <+wrtlprnft> other way
21:33 <spidey> we bought groceries today,so i'ma make a pizza
21:33 <spidey> brb
21:33 <+wrtlprnft> "make a pizza" = throw one in the oven/microwave?
21:37 <spidey> oven
21:37 <+wrtlprnft> ...
21:38 <+Lucifer_arma> man, make a pizza around here starts with "do we have any whole wheat flour?"
21:38 <+Lucifer_arma> (which we do :) )
21:38 <spidey> hahah
21:39 <+wrtlprnft> same
21:40 <+wrtlprnft> though we don't usually use whole wheat flour, only if someone screwed up and the normal one is missing
21:40 <+wrtlprnft> *empty
21:40  * Lucifer_arma makes somewhere around 90% of his food from scratch
21:40 <+wrtlprnft> ie you go out and grow the wheat?
21:40 <+Lucifer_arma> hmmm, we don't actually use whole wheat flour most of the time, but I like it that way
21:40 <+Lucifer_arma> no, we use flour and dried noodles and stuff
21:40 <+cusco> I don't cook much
21:40 <+cusco> but my mother does microbiotics
21:40 <+Lucifer_arma> i.e. we don't eat packaged food much
21:40 <+cusco> macrobiotics
21:40 <+wrtlprnft> no packaged dry noodles?
21:41 <+Lucifer_arma> quit nitpicking
21:41 <+wrtlprnft> but i love nitpicking ;)
21:41 <spidey> haha
21:41 <+Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I wonder how my breakfast burritos would taste if I used my brother's flour tortilla recipe on them
21:42 <spidey> good 
21:42 <spidey> this will be perfect
21:42 <spidey> i can call my isp and complain WHILE my connection sucks due to rain
21:42 <spidey> and bitch with proof
21:43 <spidey> but i bet money they try to say it's because i'm using linux
21:43 <spidey> bah
21:43 <spidey> last time they tried to say it was the router
21:43 <spidey> i unplugged it...it still sucked
21:43 <+Lucifer_arma> sometimes I wish I could be 16 again, but spidey makes me think twice of that idea
21:43 <+wrtlprnft> why don't you call whoever is responsible for the rain?
21:43 <spidey> :/
21:43 <spidey> wrtlprnft, got natures number?
21:44 <+wrtlprnft> eliminate the cause, not the symptoms
21:44 <+wrtlprnft> spidey: yes, it is engraved
21:44 <+wrtlprnft> err, sec
21:44 <+Lucifer_arma> and the wontons we've been eating are made mostly from scratch.  I didn't grow the pig or the spinach, or the soy beans, or make the skins.
21:44 <+Lucifer_arma> but I have a recipe for the skins
21:45 <spidey> wontons?
21:45 <+Lucifer_arma> yes, wontons
21:45 <Vanhayes> #dict wonton
21:45 <+armabot> Vanhayes: wn: wonton n 1: a Chinese dumpling filled with spiced minced pork; usually served in soup [syn: {won ton}] 2: a soup with won ton dumplings [syn: {won ton}, {wonton soup}]
21:45 <+Lucifer_arma> chinese pastry
21:45 <+Lucifer_arma> there you go, that's a wonton :)
21:46 <+Lucifer_arma> only I've been deep-frying mine
21:47 <spidey> heh
21:47 <+wrtlprnft> spidey: It is written in 10-metre high letters of fire on top of the Quentulus Quazgar Mountains in the land of Sevorbeupstry on the planet Preliumtarn, third out from the sun Zarss in Galactic Sector QQ7 ActiveJ Gamma. It is guarded by the Lajestic Vantrashell of Lob.
21:47 <spidey> will you go get it for me?
21:47 <+wrtlprnft> sorry, haven't been there yet
21:48 <+wrtlprnft> if someone tells me what i canged from the original quote they'll get a coocie
21:48 <+wrtlprnft> *cookie
21:48 <+wrtlprnft> *changed
21:48 <spidey> metre
21:48 <+Lucifer_arma> you misspelled meter?
21:48 <spidey> of course
21:48 <spidey> LOL
21:48 <+wrtlprnft> the original says 30 feet
21:48 <Vanhayes> #dict metre
21:48 <+armabot> Vanhayes: wn, bouvier, gcide, and foldoc responded: gcide: Metre \Me"tre\ (m[=e]"t[~e]r), n. See {Meter}. [1913 Webster]; wn: metre n 1: the basic unit of length adopted under the Systeme International d'Unites (approximately 1.094 yards) [syn: {meter}, {m}] 2: (prosody) the accent in a metrical foot of verse [syn: {meter}, {measure}, {beat}, {cadence}] 3: rhythm as given by division (8 more messages)
21:49 <Vanhayes> heh
21:49 <+wrtlprnft> but since feet suck...
21:49 <spidey> i would say something
21:49 <spidey> but i won't
21:49 <+Lucifer_arma> I think wrtlprnft walks on meters, he puts his socks and shoes on his meters
21:49 <+wrtlprnft> spidey: never sucked your feet
21:49 <+wrtlprnft> ?
21:50 <+Lucifer_arma> the advantage to using feet is that most adult males can measure distances quite easily
21:50 <+wrtlprnft> ?
21:50 <+Lucifer_arma> most adult females can, too
21:50 <+wrtlprnft> i won
21:50 <spidey> not really
21:50 <+Lucifer_arma> count the footsteps between two points
21:50 <+wrtlprnft> 't use my feet for measuring distances
21:50 <spidey> you don't use your feet
21:50 <spidey> der
21:50 <+wrtlprnft> that's easier to eyeball
21:51 <spidey> 1ft = 12 inches
21:51 <spidey> i doubt everyone has a 12 inch foot
21:51 <spidey> :p
21:51 <+Lucifer_arma> what are you going to do when you have to measure a long fence or something and you have nothing to measure with?
21:51 <+Lucifer_arma> spidey: no, but I have a 12 inch dick
21:51 <spidey> with 4 heads right?
21:51 <+wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: i walk and count steps
21:51 <spidey> that's feet
21:51 <spidey> duh
21:51 <+wrtlprnft> one step happens to be pretty exactly a meter
21:51 <+wrtlprnft> *metre
21:51 <+Lucifer_arma> heh, when I was working at jiffy lube, one of the guys from the other store called and said "Do you have any 27 inch wiper blades?"
21:52 <+Lucifer_arma> to which I responded "No, but I have a 27 inch dick!"
21:52 <+wrtlprnft> or do you walk in 30 cm long steps?
21:52 <spidey> LOL
21:52 <+Lucifer_arma> steps vary in size
21:52 <+wrtlprnft> so do feet
21:52 <+wrtlprnft> but you can adjust your steps
21:52 <spidey> ..
21:52 <+wrtlprnft> you can't adjust the length of your feet
21:52 <+Lucifer_arma> then your steps are always changing, my feet haven't changed length in years
21:53 <spidey> who's gonna adjust part of there life style just so you can mesure?
21:53 <+wrtlprnft> but your feet != and imperial foot
21:53 <+Lucifer_arma> no, but it's easy to get the most consistent results using my feet
21:53 <+wrtlprnft> and it depends on what kind of shose you wear at the moment, right?
21:53 <+wrtlprnft> there != their
21:54 <+Lucifer_arma> *shoes
21:54  * spidey can messure feet easy
21:54 <spidey> all i do is put wrtlprnft end to end
21:54 <spidey> that's a foot per-end
21:54 <+wrtlprnft> no, but i once walked along a metre stick a while ago and know about how big my steps need to be
21:54 <+Lucifer_arma> I've also used cubits to measure rope and chain
21:54 <+wrtlprnft> it's a tiny bit more than the steps i would usually do
21:54 <+wrtlprnft> on even ground
21:55 <+Lucifer_arma> what was most entertaining is when I went into the hardware store and asked the guy for 8 cubits of chain, and he actually measured it with his forearm :)
21:55 <+wrtlprnft> and anyways
21:55 <+wrtlprnft> if i was to measure a fence i would measure the distance between two poles and then count the number of poles
21:55 <+Lucifer_arma> #g cubit in feet
21:55 <+armabot> 1 cubit = 1.5 feet
21:56 <+Lucifer_arma> that only works when the distances between the poles is the same.  On many fences, due to terrain, the distances actually vary somewhat
21:56 <+wrtlprnft> ever tried putting 3 of your feet on 2 of your forearms to see if that's right for you?
21:56 <+wrtlprnft> well
21:57 <+Lucifer_arma> I also have a tendency to measure in 6 foot increments by spread out my arms
21:57 <+wrtlprnft> if there's varying terrain your feet are unlikely to produce a good result anyways
21:57 <+wrtlprnft> if the fence goes through a swamp you'll have trouble
21:57 <+Lucifer_arma> well, if the fence goes through a swamp you probably shouldn't use your feet to measure it
21:57 <+Lucifer_arma> that's independent of whatever units you use
21:58 <+Lucifer_arma> I admit, I'd like it better if a foot was 10 inches instead of 12
21:59 <+wrtlprnft> #g 25.5 cm in feet
21:59 <+armabot> 25.5 centimeters = 0.836614173 feet
21:59 <+wrtlprnft> so my foot is 0.84 feet long
21:59 <+wrtlprnft> great
21:59 <+Lucifer_arma> #g 0.84 feet in inches
21:59 <+armabot> 0.84 feet = 10.08 inches
22:00 <+wrtlprnft> #g 67cm in cubits
22:00 <+armabot> 67 centimeters = 1.46544182 cubits
22:00 <+wrtlprnft> err
22:00 <+Lucifer_arma> you know, the only problem I've ever heard with imperial units was that conversions suck.  5280 feet/mile, for example.
22:00 <+wrtlprnft> well, that's exactly why i think they suck
22:01 <+Lucifer_arma> but you don't mind pi/180 ?
22:01 <spidey> lol
22:01 <+wrtlprnft> i don't exactly like the 360 degree thing
22:01 <+wrtlprnft> but in that case it's handy
22:01 <+Lucifer_arma> whether you like the conversions or not, it just so happens that 12 inches is an awfully convenient interval to work with
22:01 <+wrtlprnft> since 60 degrees is something you rarely get
22:01 <spidey> .....
22:01 <+Lucifer_arma> I happen to agree, it'd be nice if we could have something easier to convert, but I'm not scared of fractions
22:01 <+wrtlprnft> if you had a system where one revolution is 100 degrees you'd get some crazy number
22:02 <+wrtlprnft> err
22:02 <spidey> me either
22:02 <+wrtlprnft> not rarely, commonly i meant
22:02 <spidey> i made 96 on my fractions test today
22:02 <spidey> :D
22:02 <+Lucifer_arma> but man, how tall am I in SI units?
22:02 <+Lucifer_arma> #g 6 feet in meters
22:02 <+armabot> 6 feet = 1.8288 meters
22:02 <spidey> short ass
22:02 <spidey> lol
22:02 <+Lucifer_arma> #g 8 inches in feet
22:02 <+armabot> 8 inches = 0.666666667 feet
22:03 <+Lucifer_arma> #g 5.666666666667 feet in meters
22:03 <+armabot> 5.666666666667 feet = 1.7272 meters
22:03 <+Lucifer_arma> so I'm 1.83 meters tall and my wife is 1.73 meters tall
22:03 <+cusco> the imperial system is going down down down down
22:03 <+wrtlprnft> #g 186 cm in feet
22:03 <+armabot> 186 centimeters = 6.1023622 feet
22:03 <+wrtlprnft> so I'
22:03 <+wrtlprnft> #g .1023622 feet in inches
22:03 <spidey> you're 6 foot 1
22:03 <+armabot> .1023622 feet = 1.2283464 inches
22:04 <+wrtlprnft> so I'm 6 foot one inch tall
22:04 <+wrtlprnft> great
22:04 <spidey> lol
22:04 <spidey> actually
22:04 <spidey> that's pretty tall
22:04 <+wrtlprnft> i know
22:04 <spidey> i'm only 5 foot 11
22:04 <spidey> but i'm still growing
22:04 <spidey> :p
22:04 <+wrtlprnft> #g 6 feet + 11 inches in cm
22:04 <+armabot> (6 feet) + (11 inches) = 210.82 centimeters
22:04 <+wrtlprnft> err
22:04 <spidey> haha
22:05 <spidey> no
22:05 <spidey> 5ft
22:05 <+wrtlprnft> #g 5 feet + 11 inches in cm
22:05 <+armabot> (5 feet) + (11 inches) = 180.34 centimeters
22:05 <spidey> ?
22:05 <spidey> oh
22:05 <Vanhayes> #g 190cm in feet
22:05 <+armabot> 190 centimeters = 6.2335958 feet
22:05 <+wrtlprnft> that tall?
22:05 <spidey> huh?
22:05 <spidey> me or van?
22:05 <+wrtlprnft> van
22:06 <+wrtlprnft> 190 is bigger than me
22:06 <Vanhayes> 190 -192
22:06 <Vanhayes> always in between there
22:06 <+wrtlprnft> so your size fluctuates?
22:06 <spidey> LOL
22:07 <+wrtlprnft> or does that depend on hats/shoes/hair?
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22:07 <+wrtlprnft> hi z-man 
22:07 <Vanhayes> depends on hats shoes ahir and who measures me
22:07 <z-man> hi
22:07 <Vanhayes> hair*
22:07 <+wrtlprnft> could you merge 0.2.8 please?
22:07 <Vanhayes> hello
22:08 <+wrtlprnft> i'd like to see if the threading brings any improvements for me
22:08 <z-man> It probably won't
22:08 <z-man> the difference is mostly the numeric ping
22:08 <+wrtlprnft> :(
22:09 <z-man> the results of the messages are only visible on the next refresh anyway
22:09 <z-man> it's basically to make the ping more stable, if it was close to a multiple of the average frame time, it fluctuated
22:09 <+wrtlprnft> true
22:10 -!- madmax|pt [n=madmax@bl5-9-18.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #armagetron
22:10 <+wrtlprnft> somehow arma got unbearably slow with xorg 7
22:10 <+wrtlprnft> 16fps framerate
22:10 <+wrtlprnft> 24 or so is usual for me
22:11 <z-man> Starting the merge anyway, will take a while to complete.
22:11 <+wrtlprnft> i have time :)
22:14 <+Lucifer_arma> threading?
22:14  * madmax|pt x
22:15  * Lucifer_arma *
22:15 <+cusco> cd p
22:15 <+Lucifer_arma> del *.*
22:15 <+wrtlprnft> rm -rf /
22:16 <+Lucifer_arma> del c:\\*.*
22:16 <+wrtlprnft> huh?
22:16 <+wrtlprnft> deltree c:\*.*
22:16 <+Lucifer_arma> doesn't c:\ only get the current directory for that drive?
22:16 <+wrtlprnft> nah
22:17 <+wrtlprnft> if you say c: as a command you'll get to the current dir
22:17 <+wrtlprnft> afair
22:17 <+Lucifer_arma> hmmm
22:17  * Lucifer_arma never really used dos
22:17 <+wrtlprnft> del c:\*.* won't do any real damage
22:18 <+wrtlprnft> windows/dos won't boot anymore, but you won't lose any unrecocverable data
22:18 <+wrtlprnft> unless you put your stuff in the drive's root
22:18 <+Lucifer_arma> I think the most dos I've ever used was in an emulator on my amiga
22:19 <luke-jr_> deltree C:\
22:19 <luke-jr_> Amiga was a decent OS
22:23 <+wrtlprnft> woo i just reached 60000 emails
22:23 <luke-jr_> ...
22:23 <+wrtlprnft> well, e-mails + RSS items
22:24  * luke-jr_ stabs RSS
22:24 <+wrtlprnft> ~2600 are RSS
22:24 <+wrtlprnft> rss rocks, even if luke-jr_ doesn't like it, or actually, this might as well be the reason
22:24 <luke-jr_> poor english
22:24 <+wrtlprnft> so?
22:25 <luke-jr_> and RSS sucks for the simple reason of it being pull instead of push
22:25 <+wrtlprnft> that's why it rocks
22:25 <luke-jr_> ...
22:25 <+Lucifer_arma> my wife pulls, and she rules
22:25 <+Lucifer_arma> I have to do all the pushing
22:25 <+wrtlprnft> if i don't want the feed anymore i stop pulling
22:25 <+wrtlprnft> other then newsletters
22:26 <+Lucifer_arma> http sucks for the simple reason of it being pull instead of push
22:26 <luke-jr_> I'd rather use XMPP pubsub
22:26 <luke-jr_> indeed, HTTP sucks for publishing
22:26 <+Lucifer_arma> you'd use xmpp to wash your car, wouldn't you?
22:26 <+wrtlprnft> i have to give them information on how to push (mail adress), and if i want them to stop pushing, all i can technically do is kindly ask them
22:26 <luke-jr_> no, I'd use XMPP to signal a robot to wash my car
22:26 <+wrtlprnft> but if they want to keep sending me spam i can't prevent them once they have the address
22:27 <luke-jr_> spam isn't a problem with XMPP :)
22:27 <+Lucifer_arma> well, luke-jr_'s not known for empowering users
22:27 <+wrtlprnft> well
22:27 <+Lucifer_arma> quite the contrary
22:27 <+wrtlprnft> name a site that has an XMPP feed
22:27 <luke-jr_> dunno any
22:27 <luke-jr_> :(
22:27 <+wrtlprnft> there ya go
22:27 <luke-jr_> nor any clients for it
22:27 <+wrtlprnft> so i use RSS
22:27 <+mkzelda> does xmpp have a site?
22:27 <luke-jr_> me too
22:27 <luke-jr_> but RSS sucks :(
22:27 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: it has RFCs
22:28 <luke-jr_> mkzelda: and plenty of people have sites about it
22:28 <luke-jr_> like http://jabber.org
22:28 <+mkzelda> reinventing the wheel is fun
22:28 <luke-jr_> but most of them are about its IM capabilities
22:28 <+Lucifer_arma> but if you started linking them here, luke-jr_ would pull their site about.  Er, push their site apart.
22:28 <+wrtlprnft> as long as it is not in common useage it's worthless to me
22:28 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: nothing will be common usage with that attitude
22:29 <luke-jr_> chicken & egg
22:29 <+wrtlprnft> you're talking to a user in that case
22:29 <luke-jr_> ok, that makes a difference =p
22:29 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577BA0ED.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
22:29 <+Lucifer_arma> there's a fine line between being an early adopter and a big nuisance
22:29 <luke-jr_> seriously, tho, using XMPP pubsub over RSS could save tons of bandwidth...
22:30 <+wrtlprnft> if i MAKE something, like a web page, i will consider using rare good things over common bad things
22:30 <+wrtlprnft> or, actually, by now, i will always write valid XHTML
22:30 <luke-jr_> I always write almost-valid XHTML
22:30 <+wrtlprnft> worthless
22:30 <luke-jr_> I just leave off the doctype cuz i can't remember it
22:31 <+wrtlprnft> no point in that
22:31 <luke-jr_> =p
22:31 <+Lucifer_arma> then it's completely invalid generic html
22:31 <luke-jr_> eventually, the doctype gets into stuff that's important
22:31 <+wrtlprnft> spidey also uses almost valid resources
22:31 <+wrtlprnft> he just leaves off the path since he can't remember it
22:31 <luke-jr_> heh, almost valid resources won't work ;p
22:31 -!- wejp [n=j0hannes@i577B91BF.versanet.de] has joined #armagetron
22:31 <+wrtlprnft> oh, they do
22:36 <+Lucifer_arma> the most important thing about the resource system right now is that the retrieval needs to be made non-blocking
22:37 <+Lucifer_arma> I'm tired of staring at a full screen that shows me an obviously bad path, watching my client cycle through the list of download locations knowing it won't find it,
22:37 <+Lucifer_arma> and unable to do jack shit about it until it's done
22:38 <+wrtlprnft> same with a connecting to a server
22:38 <+Lucifer_arma> indeed, I'd like that to be nonblocking too.  :)
22:38 <+Lucifer_arma> receiving and processing user input should never have to wait for the program to do something, imo
22:38 <+Lucifer_arma> of course, the amount of user input that can be processed usefully will drop when the program is doing something
22:39 <spidey> wrtlprnft spidey also uses almost valid resources
22:40 <spidey> i remember the path
22:40 <spidey> i'm just to lazy to type it
22:40 <spidey> test4.xml is much easier to type than test4-0.0.1-aacockpit.xml
22:40 <+wrtlprnft> that's what i mean
22:41 <spidey> lazy and not knowing are 2 different things :)
22:41 <+wrtlprnft> z-man: why do we actually need the thread thing for the ping?
22:41 <+wrtlprnft> it could just measure the time between the point the ping got in and the point where the reply got sent out and subtract it from the result it gets
22:42 <+wrtlprnft> or include it in the ping message
22:42 <z-man> If it could measure the time of the incoming message, yes.
22:42 <+wrtlprnft> it can't?
22:42 <z-man> Unfortunately, you have to be there and get the message to time it.
22:43 <+wrtlprnft> ah, i assumed udp messages were timestamped
22:43 <z-man> I haven't seen an API for the sockets that returns the true incoming time
22:43 <z-man> It would be cool, that's right.
22:43 <+wrtlprnft> nvm then
22:43 <+mkzelda> haha i thought i had that nasty effect you get when you have your vid card set to 16 bit and images that use more
22:44 <+wrtlprnft> ?
22:44 <+Lucifer_arma> well, see, you can't put your own timestamp in there because you're dependent on the other person's clock being right
22:44 <+wrtlprnft> no
22:44 <+mkzelda> but it turned out that the default kde background has earth subtly in it
22:44 <+wrtlprnft> i meant the incoming timestamp
22:44 <+Lucifer_arma> and then depending on how much you trust the timestamps you open yourself up to trouble
22:44 <+Lucifer_arma> you mean when the os got it?
22:44 <+wrtlprnft> yeah
22:44 <+Lucifer_arma> ahhh, ok.  nvm.  :)
22:44 <+wrtlprnft> sdl imput is, right?
22:45 <+wrtlprnft> *input
22:45 <+Lucifer_arma> could be, but it's likely that sdl puts its own timestamp on there
22:46 <+Lucifer_arma> we could time when we receive it and when we respond to it, the way I understand (and I could be wrong), that information would be meaningless right now
22:46 <+armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5648 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (25 files in 8 dirs): (log message trimmed)
22:46 <+armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5611 to 5647:
22:46 <+armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:46 <+armabot> armagetronad:  r5647 | z-man | 2006-07-11 17:47:26 +0200 (Tue, 11 Jul 2006) | 1 line
22:46 <+armabot> armagetronad:  Updated to code changes.
22:46 <+armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:46 <+armabot> armagetronad:  r5646 | z-man | 2006-07-11 17:09:10 +0200 (Tue, 11 Jul 2006) | 1 line
22:46 <+wrtlprnft> big merge :)
22:46  * wrtlprnft updates and recompiles
22:46 <+Lucifer_arma> but if we grabbed the incoming messages in a separate thread/process and then stuck them in a queue, it would be meaningful to know how long they spent in that queue
22:46 <z-man> I don't think SDL input is timestamped :( We had an input thread adding timestamps quite a while back.
22:47 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: that's what it did :) I think nothing meaningful was done to the timestamps then, so I disabled the thread.
22:48 <+wrtlprnft> z-man: NEWS:131(trunk):>>>>>>> .merge-right.r4902
22:48 <+wrtlprnft> i assume that shouldn't be there
22:48 <z-man> right
22:49 <z-man> strange, no conflict was indicated
22:49 <+armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5649 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp: Following client commands while rubber is used enhanced. The involuntary death probability should be lower now.
22:49 <+wrtlprnft> is there a voluntary death probability too?
22:49 <z-man> Yes :)
22:49 <+wrtlprnft> or a voluntary death doesn't happen probability?
22:50 <z-man> Well, you may fail to suicide properly.
22:50 <+wrtlprnft> like, miss the rim wall?
22:50 <z-man> Don't laught, that happened :)
22:50 <z-man> the AIs had this special talent.
22:51 <+wrtlprnft> or suddenly your keyboard stops working just as you wanted to start a spiral of death
22:51 <+Lucifer_arma> that happens too
22:51 <+Lucifer_arma> people get IMed ingame all the time
22:51 <+wrtlprnft> pff
22:51 <+armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5650 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/NEWS: removed old conflict marker
22:51 <+wrtlprnft> t
22:52 <+wrtlprnft> hmm, i won't SVN update for that one ;)
22:52 <+Lucifer_arma> seems like certain conflicts could be resolved using input timestamps
22:52 <+Lucifer_arma> like two cycles turn toward each other, which one's on the outside and which on the inside?  If the turns happen in the same timestep, that is
22:53 <+Lucifer_arma> you could compute where the turn takes place from the timestamps instead to resolve the conflict
22:53 <+wrtlprnft> that might explain why I it's so hard to hit a tunnel or hole for me
22:54 <+wrtlprnft> i always assumed arma was doing that since it's doing all kinds of other magic
22:54 <z-man> Sorry, don't know what you're talking about
22:54 <+Lucifer_arma> I think the game's gotten more sensitive, I miss most of the holes I used to hit now
22:54 <z-man> Lag slides?
22:54 <+wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: that might be you getting old
22:54 <+Lucifer_arma> like there are two walls that are slightly misaligned, and you generally want to hit the corner of one and grind that down the tunnel
22:54 <z-man> You know I'm looking for lag slide clientside recordings on Bugfarm?
22:55 <+Lucifer_arma> but my turn to turn towards the corner is happening too early
22:55 <+wrtlprnft> but with recordings the game runs even slower :S
22:55 <+Lucifer_arma> z-man: no, not talking about lag slides.  local game stuff
22:55 <+wrtlprnft> and, well, now i can't get a lot of lag anymore
22:55 <+wrtlprnft> move your server to japan or Canada and i can maybe help ypu
22:55 <+wrtlprnft> *you
22:55 <z-man> Ah. Hmm, timestamping the input could help here, this could increase the precision
22:55 <+Lucifer_arma> you can get really good client side lag slide recordings on my server
22:56 <+wrtlprnft> but then z-man won't have the appropiate serverside recording to match the data
22:56 <z-man> wrtlprnft: there's lagfarm for that
22:56 <+mkzelda> z-man i had a new (to me) lag where it appeared i was driving 3x normal speed
22:56 <+mkzelda> last night in sumo
22:56 <+mkzelda> lasted entire round
22:56 <+Lucifer_arma> ahhh, hmmm, it would sure be nice if my serer were recording
22:56 <+mkzelda> everyone else said it looked like i was jumping from one side to the other
22:57 <z-man> mkzelda: I don't suppose you have a recording of that?
22:57 <+wrtlprnft> hmm, can we get a few people on lagfarm so i can get a recording of those pacmak map glitches?
22:57 <+mkzelda> no, but ill try to now
22:57 <+wrtlprnft> *pacmap
22:57 <+mkzelda> ill jump on there and record now
22:57 <z-man> hmm if everyone else saw strange effects, it may have been a server side thing
22:57 <z-man> did you cry BUG?
22:57 <+wrtlprnft> yes
22:57 <+wrtlprnft> people spawned inside closed areas
22:57 <+wrtlprnft> and i drove around inside one for a while
22:57  * Lucifer_arma is trying to reconstruct an invoice from data that doesn't exist anymore
22:58 <+mkzelda> no, but i can guess within an hour, and u can grep the messages for "3x" possibly
22:58 <+mkzelda> dook + 3x
22:58 <+Lucifer_arma> turns out I did lose some important data, but it only appears at the worst times
22:58 <+mkzelda> oh, i might have said 3 times as fast :D
22:58 <+mkzelda> nm
22:58 <z-man> respawning is a HACK
22:58 <+wrtlprnft> i know
22:59 <z-man> it's not supposed to work right with any map
22:59 <+wrtlprnft> uh, you never said that i think
22:59 <+wrtlprnft> you even told us to try custom maps in the thread where you gave us the password
23:00 <+wrtlprnft> > Set nasty maps, disable rubber completely, unleash an army of monkeys, be evil.
23:00 <+Lucifer_arma> an army of the 12 monkeys?
23:01 <z-man> Well, if you have 12, sure.
23:01  * Lucifer_arma loves that movie
23:01 <+wrtlprnft> and i guess that if you can push up the server load enough you can even go throgh walls on the default map
23:01 <luke-jr_> btw
23:01 <+Lucifer_arma> my only regret about that movie is that I didn't see it until after I quit smoking pot
23:01 <luke-jr_> size_factor -10 doesn't work with the default map
23:01 <z-man> wrtlprnft: right, but I never said you had the right to complain if anything goes wrong :)
23:01 <luke-jr_> people spawn outside the arena
23:02 <+wrtlprnft> oh, if you want 12 monkeys: NUM_AIS 12
23:02 <+wrtlprnft> z-man: well, i assumed that was the point
23:02 <z-man> sort of
23:02 <z-man> but of course, there are limitations
23:02 <z-man> Oh, and unfortunately, the recordings of that day were unusable again :(
23:02 <z-man> If you repeat the experiment, I'll have a look.
23:03 <+wrtlprnft> second, I'm sure i can get the same result with the standard map and a bunch of AIs
23:03 <z-man> maybe
23:04  * z-man activated lag sliding log messages on Fortress to see who is complaining without reason
23:05 <+Lucifer_arma> heh
23:05 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: Yes, best time travel movie ever.
23:05 <+Lucifer_arma> I'll make sure to validate my claims with recordings or to not make such claims
23:06 <z-man> Haven't seen you complainig yet
23:06 <+mkzelda> Lucifer_arma, I had probs with my playlist stopping a lot last night
23:06 <spidey> usually
23:06 <+wrtlprnft> you actually read chats there or just stuff around BUG cries?
23:06 <spidey> i don't slide
23:06 <spidey> unless my connection sucks
23:06 <spidey> ext. rain
23:06 <spidey> :/
23:07 <spidey> seems as time goes by
23:07 <spidey> my isp's routing gets better
23:07 <z-man> I usually only read around BUG cries, but occasionally, I also grep for la+g
23:07 <+mkzelda> i thought it might have been vbr mp3s that were causing it to stop, tho i cant confirm yet
23:07 <spidey> but quality gets worse
23:07 <+Lucifer_arma> I don't complain much, my attitude about lag precludes most lag complaints I might make
23:07 <luke-jr_> z-man: aww, you didn't read that chat where I called you names, did you?
23:07 <+mkzelda> i try hard to replace 'lag' with 'wd'
23:07 <spidey> LOOOL
23:08 <luke-jr_> hehe, jk =p
23:08 <z-man> I don't care if I get called names :)
23:08 <spidey> #insult z-man 
23:08 <+armabot> z-man - You are nothing but a halfbaked ass-full of weasel-smelling snot. 
23:08 <spidey> xD
23:08 <madmax|pt> btw, today i somehow seemed to beat cycle_delay
23:09 <luke-jr_> I like CYCLE_DELAY 0.00000000001
23:09 <spidey> i like 3 axis's
23:09 <luke-jr_> and CYCLE_INVULNERABLE_TIME 2000000000
23:09 <madmax|pt> is that possible?
23:09 <madmax|pt> i mean beating it
23:09 <spidey> mm
23:09 <spidey> i wonder what a deathmatch with 3 axis would be like
23:09  * spidey sets one up
23:10 <spidey> i guess i'd need 2 directories luke?
23:10 <spidey> or can i run them from the same dir
23:10 <spidey> but change settings
23:11 <spidey> Vanhayes,
23:11  * spidey pokes Vanhayes 
23:11 <luke-jr_> you can't configure for deathmatch
23:12 <spidey> ah
23:12 <spidey> so i need 2 dir's ?
23:12 <luke-jr_> sure
23:12 <luke-jr_> and you need to compile it
23:13 <+wrtlprnft> z-man: i think i just crashed it
23:13 <z-man> Naa, don't worry, it's just restarting
23:13 <z-man> takes a while
23:14 <+wrtlprnft> 20 AIs are a bit too much
23:14 <z-man> Oh, and now it's recompiling
23:14 <+wrtlprnft> o_O
23:14 <z-man> will take another while
23:14 <+wrtlprnft> not the usual Admin: Restart in 10 minutes?
23:15 <z-man> you left the server, right?
23:15 <+wrtlprnft> no
23:15 <z-man> It has dedicated_idle set to something
23:15 <+wrtlprnft> it kicked me
23:15 <z-man> hehe
23:15 <+wrtlprnft> or, i timed out
23:15 <z-man> well, that counts as leaving
23:15 <+wrtlprnft> well, dunno why i timed out
23:15 <+wrtlprnft> might have been the server crashing
23:16 <+wrtlprnft> and then I'll time out
23:16 <z-man> [1] received logout from 1.
23:16 <z-man> [1] wrtlprnft |mbc| left the game.
23:16 <z-man> [1] Killing user 1, ping 3.79392.
23:16 <z-man> that's the log of your quitting
23:16 <+wrtlprnft> hmm, ok
23:16 <+wrtlprnft> strange, i have no connection problems
23:16 <z-man> That's how it looks if the client decides it's timing out
23:17 <+wrtlprnft> yeah
23:17 <+wrtlprnft> i had that before when it was possible to crash my server by saying /msg
23:17 <+wrtlprnft> the client has no clue if the server crashed or the connection
23:22 <+wrtlprnft> mathias@laptop $ free -m                                                  /home total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
23:22 <+wrtlprnft> Mem:          1010        997         13          0          3         23
23:22 <+wrtlprnft> -/+ buffers/cache:        970         39
23:22 <+wrtlprnft> Swap:          488        393         94
23:22 <+wrtlprnft> omg
23:22 <+wrtlprnft> don't be surprised if i crash soon
23:22 <+wrtlprnft> darn openoffice compile
23:29 <+wrtlprnft> wow
23:30 <+wrtlprnft> the free memory just jumped from almost 0 to 700MB in physical memory and from about 100MB to 400MB in swap space
23:30 <+wrtlprnft> looks like there was a really big gcc process
23:31 <+wrtlprnft> #monologue
23:31 <+armabot> wrtlprnft: Your current monologue is at least 14 lines long.
23:38 <+Lucifer_arma> too bad asking armabot your monologue breaks the monologue
23:38 <madmax|pt> wrtlprnft pwns monologues
23:38 <+wrtlprnft> it doesn't
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> #monologue
23:39 <+armabot> wrtlprnft: Your current monologue is at least 2 lines long.
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> #monologue
23:39 <+armabot> wrtlprnft: Your current monologue is at least 3 lines long.
23:39 <madmax|pt> "at least" ?
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> armabot ignores itself for that
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> wekk
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> *well
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> you could have a monologue
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> and then armabot joins
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> and then you continue it
23:39 <madmax|pt> good point
23:39 <+wrtlprnft> or you could have linewrap
23:40 <+wrtlprnft> this doesn't fit on one line but only on at least two lines this doesn't fit on one line but only on at least two lines this doesn't fit on one line but only on at least two lines this doesn't fit on one line but only on at least two lines
23:40 <+wrtlprnft> unless you have a really huge screen or a really small font
23:45 <+wrtlprnft> spidey: haha, you're now on top of the kick stat!
23:45 <+wrtlprnft> spidey wasn't very popular, getting kicked 3 times!
23:45 <+wrtlprnft> For example, like this: *** spidey was kicked by guru3 
23:45 <+wrtlprnft> sniperyyd seemed to be hated too: 2 kicks were received.
23:47 <spidey> heh
23:48 <spidey> #night
23:48 <+armabot> Good night spidey!

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