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Log from 2006-06-06:
--- Day changed Tue Jun 06 2006
00:07 <Lucifer_arma> Saaaatan wait!  At hell's gates!
00:24 <GodTodd> blah
00:40 <GodTodd> oh...and....Desecrate! Pain! Torture! Hate!
00:40 <GodTodd> ;)
00:42 <[NP]Tangent> Desecrate, pain, torture, and hate
00:42 <[NP]Tangent> sounds like my love life
00:42 <[NP]Tangent> :|
01:00 <Lucifer_arma> live in hatred die in grief!
01:07 <[NP]Tangent> no, I believe you mean
01:07 <[NP]Tangent> live near tangent and die from grief
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01:42 <Lucifer_arma> no, it'd be more like "live near tangent and die from boredom!"
01:42 <Lucifer_arma> but that doesn't fit in the song
01:54 <[NP]Tangent> hah
01:54 <[NP]Tangent> I'm a drummer
01:54 <[NP]Tangent> no way they'd get bored
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03:12 <Luke-Jr> z-man: any reason why the top-of-playerwall line isn't offset by extrarise?
03:13 -!- guru3_ is now known as guru3
03:14 <Luke-Jr> guru3: hi
03:14 <guru3> hi
03:15 <Lucifer_arma> hi
03:15 <guru3> anyone know how to convert ext2 to ext3?
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> #g 4^3
03:20 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 4^3 = 64
03:20 <Lucifer_arma> umm, it's in the gentoo docs, I know that
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E2fsprogs
03:21 <Lucifer_arma> start there :)
03:22 <guru3> ok
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> #g 32*3
03:22 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 32 * 3 = 96
03:22 <guru3> i'll get around to that at some point
03:22 <guru3> does anyone know of any cons of using two wifi comps on the sam net with the same mac and ip?
03:22 <Luke-Jr> guru3: easy to convert
03:22 <Lucifer_arma> besides it not working?
03:22 <guru3> well
03:22 <guru3> it's working so far
03:23 <guru3> so any other provable cons?
03:23 <Luke-Jr> it can't work... >.>
03:23 <Luke-Jr> not for TCP
03:23 <guru3> it is
03:23 <Luke-Jr> probably not
03:23 <Lucifer_arma> no, it can't.  there's gotta be something else going on, like maybe the network driver is changing its mac automatically, or one is connected to a different network
03:23 <Luke-Jr> anyway, tune2fs -j /dev/hdX#
03:23 <guru3> i would prove it
03:23 <guru3> if i had a way to
03:24 <Luke-Jr> NormalComputer sends a TCP packet to SharedMAC+IP
03:25 <Luke-Jr> SharingComputerA gets the packet and knows what it is, since it has that connection
03:25 <Luke-Jr> SharingComputerB gets the packet and say "WTF is this crap" and sends a error back
03:25 <guru3> hmm well
03:25 <guru3> it seems to work
03:26 <Luke-Jr> something else is going on
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03:26 <guru3> i dunno what it is
03:27 <guru3> but everything points to it working
03:28 <guru3> it seems it does have slight side effects
03:28 <guru3> on persistent tcp connections
03:28 <guru3> such as ssh
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03:44 <Lucifer_arma> x = e^y is the same as y=ln(x), right?
03:45 <guru3> yes
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, figured out what I needed.  :)  Instead of having to solve e^y = y^2 - 2, since the area I'm trying to find is bounded by y = +-1, I can just take those as my limits of integration
03:47 <Lucifer_arma> the problem's number is colored, which means there's a point where you say "Oh, that's easy", and if you dn't reach that point, you're doing something wrong :)
03:51 <guru3> lol
03:52 <[NP]Tangent> good night, guys
03:52 <[NP]Tangent> I'm dead
03:52 <Luke-Jr> o
03:52 <Luke-Jr> but you just starting talking
03:53 <[NP]Tangent> nah, I spoke a while ago
03:53 <[NP]Tangent> I need to start playing AA more
03:53 <[NP]Tangent> ah well
03:53 <[NP]Tangent> good night
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> #g -0.5 +- sqrt(33)/2
04:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: -0.5 + (-sqrt(33) / 2) = -3.37228132
04:00 <Lucifer_arma> #g -0.5 + sqrt(33)/2
04:00 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: -0.5 + (sqrt(33) / 2) = 2.37228132
04:09 <Lucifer_arma> #g 14*3
04:09 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 14 * 3 = 42
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> #g 15*6
04:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 15 * 6 = 90
04:10 <Lucifer_arma> #g 88/6
04:10 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 88 / 6 = 14.6666667
04:11 <Lucifer_arma> #g 78/3
04:11 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 78 / 3 = 26
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 18*3
04:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 18 * 3 = 54
04:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g 54/3
04:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 54 / 3 = 18
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05:20 <Luke-Jr> morning
05:30  * Luke-Jr decides to write some 3D support into Arma
05:31 <Luke-Jr> (meaning tCoord.z = up)
05:36 <Lucifer_arma> so -tCoord.z = down?
05:38 <Luke-Jr> sure
05:38  * Luke-Jr drives below the floor =p
05:41 <Luke-Jr> BTW, 3D support will screw up mirror
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05:43 <Lucifer_arma> why?  You just take -tCoord.z to do the mirror, right?
05:46 <Luke-Jr> visual mirror
05:46 <Luke-Jr> unless you presume the bottom level is the only mirror
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> ahh, that's not a problem right now, the floor is the only mirror.
05:47 <Luke-Jr> once there's 3D movement, there's more than one floor =p
05:47 <Lucifer_arma> :)
05:48 <Luke-Jr> I think the hardest part implementing ramps might be drawing the floor and ramp =p
05:48 <Lucifer_arma> we'll need to compute what actually gets mirrored at that point, which I don't think we do.  But we'll need to take the angle of the viewer to the mirror and bounce that vector to get what's visible.
05:49 <Lucifer_arma> I think all that happens right now is the scene is rendered twice, once upside down and with some gl flags set (maybe to a differnet buffer, i don't know)
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g 16*3
05:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 16 * 3 = 48
05:53 <Lucifer_arma> #g 16*3 - 16
05:53 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (16 * 3) - 16 = 32
05:57 <spidey> #g Lucifer_arma*wrtlprnft+n54
05:57 <armabot> spidey: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:57 <spidey> xD
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> #g ln(2)
06:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ln(2) = 0.693147181
06:04 <Lucifer_arma> #g ln(4) + 9/4
06:04 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ln(4) + (9 / 4) = 3.63629436
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> it's those damn details that get you
06:26 <Lucifer_arma> #g 0.298666666 * ( 4*0.00065 + 2*0.00472 + 4*0.014184 + 2*0.02941 + 4*0.04903 + 2*0.6969 + 4*0.085666 + 2*0.0883 + 4*0.06534)
06:26 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: 0.298666666 * ((4 * 0.00065) + (2 * 0.00472) + (4 * 0.014184) + (2 * 0.02941) + (4 * 0.04903) + (2 * 0.6969) + (4 * 0.085666) + (2 * 0.0883) + (4 * 0.06534)) = 0.746111145
06:59 <Lucifer_arma> I want an acceleration gauge, and I probably want it in place of the velocity gauge
07:02 <wrtlprnft> hmm
07:02 <wrtlprnft> makes sense and should be possible
07:02 <wrtlprnft> there's still a bunch of callbacks missing
07:02 <wrtlprnft> a few for team scores would be nice
07:03 <wrtlprnft> also your position as coordinates, your name (and the name of the player you're watching) and color
07:04 <Lucifer_arma> have you thought about hud widgets for other cycles?  I'm not sure it falls within the cockpit, but I was thinking it would be nice for cycles within a certain range
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> to see their velocity, acceleration, ping, and estimated time to impact (assume I turn towards them by one turn if I'm parallel to them, and predict as needed)
07:05 <wrtlprnft> that would be relatively complicated :(
07:05 <Lucifer_arma> it's hud data in the sense of if I were wearing a helmet with fancy readouts, it would show me these things, but it's not necessarily cockpit information
07:06 <wrtlprnft> currently you'd need a separate callback for every cycle
07:06 <Luke-Jr> hm
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, the cockpit could parse the xml anyway and provide callbacks for the widgets, then gCycle could render the gauges
07:06 <Lucifer_arma> the hard part is turning the gauges to face the camera :)
07:06 <Luke-Jr> I want to see a mini-HUD with their info on top of their cycle :)
07:07 <wrtlprnft> o_O
07:07 <wrtlprnft> but it would make sense somehow
07:08 <Lucifer_arma> #g 2/3 * (4*6.2 + 2*7.2 + 4*6.8 + 2*5.6 + 4*5.0 + 2*4.8 + 4*4.8)
07:08 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (2 / 3) * ((4 * 6.2) + (2 * 7.2) + (4 * 6.8) + (2 * 5.6) + (4 * 5.0) + (2 * 4.8) + (4 * 4.8)) = 84.2666667
07:09 <Lucifer_arma> #g (4*6.2 + 2*7.2 + 4*6.8 + 2*5.6 + 4*5.0 + 2*4.8 + 4*4.8)
07:09 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (4 * 6.2) + (2 * 7.2) + (4 * 6.8) + (2 * 5.6) + (4 * 5.0) + (2 * 4.8) + (4 * 4.8) = 126.4
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> the antiderivative of 3e^2x is 2e^2x, right?
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> er
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> the antiderivative of 3e^2x is 3e^2x, right?
07:11 <Lucifer_arma> where's z-man when you need him?  heh.
07:12 <wrtlprnft> #notes
07:12 <armabot> wrtlprnft: I currently have notes waiting for a*, Luke-Jr, and phil.
07:13 <wrtlprnft> yeah, Luke-Jr can't get notes since he's silenced for armabot
07:13 <wrtlprnft> so armabot doesn't know when he's active
07:13 <wrtlprnft> #notes Lucifer_arma 
07:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: I have no notes for that nick.
07:13 <wrtlprnft> #notes Luke-Jr 
07:13 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent 1 week, 2 days, 16 hours, and 34 minutes ago: <z-man> Please read the subversion thread on the forum before starting the conversion. http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=50011#50011
07:13 <wrtlprnft> grr
07:16 <Lucifer_arma> I think my pencils are defective.  I just put new lead in them and it's coming out broken up in small pieces, I'm going through lead very quickly.  :(
07:17 <wrtlprnft> happened to me, too
07:17 <wrtlprnft> then i got a new pencil and it works :)
07:17 <wrtlprnft> in the long run cheaper than wasting lead en masse
07:20 <Lucifer_arma> it's a shame, these pencils are very nice otherwise
07:20 <wrtlprnft> all of them?
07:20 <wrtlprnft> not just one?
07:27 <Lucifer_arma> two.  Only two came in the package.
07:28 <wrtlprnft> maybe you have the wrong kind of lead?
07:28 <wrtlprnft> too thick or too soft?
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07:49 <spidey> hey
07:49 <spidey> man,i think the reason i been sliding lately is my router or connection
07:52 <Lucifer_arma> the antiderivative of sin(2x) is -cos(2x) ?
07:53  * Lucifer_arma suspects something in that antiderivative, something about the constant
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07:54 <Lucifer_arma> if I use substitution I get the antiderivative is more like -1/2 cos(2x)
07:55 <MaZuffeR> -1/2 cos(2x) is correct i think
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> soooo...  the integral I'm trying to work is (cosx - sin(2x))
07:55 <Lucifer_arma> MaZuffeR: yeah, if you take the derivative of that you wind up with sin(2x)
07:56 <Lucifer_arma> where I'm getting lost is on the larger function.  If I use substitution I'm stuck with a cosx that I can't work with
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> nvm, I think I'm trying to make it harder for no good reason
07:57 <Lucifer_arma> ty :)
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> #g ln1
08:07 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ln(1) = 0
08:07 <Lucifer_arma> why can't I remember that?  :(
08:07  * Lucifer_arma goes into private commune with armabot
08:19 <wrtlprnft> haha
08:19  * wrtlprnft likes calculators more for that stuff
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> I like being able to put in much bigger expressions
08:26 <Lucifer_arma> although, if I keep doing this simpson's rule homework I'm going to write a python app to do it instead, I've had enough of it
08:30 <wrtlprnft> lol
08:31 <wrtlprnft> much bigger expressions?
08:31 <wrtlprnft> my calculatur doesn't seem to have a practical limit for expression lengths
08:32 <wrtlprnft> i guess it would run out of RAM at some point, but...
08:32 <Lucifer_arma> 10 subdivisions, and the formula goes something like deltax/3[ f(0) + 4f(1) + 2f(2) + 4f(3) + 2f(4) + 4f(5) + f(6) ]
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> sure, my calculator will hold all of it, but I find that typing it in is a lot easier on a computer :)
08:33 <Lucifer_arma> here:
08:34  * wrtlprnft thinks the opposite :P
08:35 <Lucifer_arma> #g 1/10 * ( 1 + 2*(1.04081) + 2*(1.173511) + 2*(1.433329) + 2*(1.89648) + 2*(2.7182818) + 2*(4.2206958 + 2*(7.099327) + 2*(12.935817 + 2*(25.533722) + 54.59815)
08:35 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (1 / 10) * (1 + (2 * 1.04081) + (2 * 1.173511) + (2 * 1.433329) + (2 * 1.89648) + (2 * 2.7182818) + (2 * (4.2206958 + (2 * 7.099327) + (2 * (12.935817 + (2 * 25.533722) + 54.59815))))) = 52.8769167
08:35 <wrtlprnft> calculators are much more tolerant about lazyness than python
08:35 <wrtlprnft> #g 5pi
08:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 5 * pi = 15.7079633
08:35 <wrtlprnft> woo
08:35 <wrtlprnft> #g sin(pi
08:35 <armabot> wrtlprnft: sin(pi) = 0
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> #g sin(e)
08:36 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: sin(e) = 0.410781291
08:36 <wrtlprnft> #g 2^-1
08:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2^-1 = 0.5
08:36 <Lucifer_arma> there's a worthless number, haha
08:36 <wrtlprnft> #g log(pi,e
08:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: log(pi * e) = 0.931444355
08:36 <wrtlprnft> wtf
08:37 <wrtlprnft> i wanted log base e of pi
08:37 <wrtlprnft> #g log(pi)/log e
08:37 <armabot> wrtlprnft: log(pi) / log(e) = 1.14472989
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> #g log(pi)
08:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: log(pi) = 0.497149873
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> #g log e(pi)
08:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: log(e) * pi = 1.36437635
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> #g log^e(pi)
08:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> that's still silly, because...
08:37 <Lucifer_arma> #g ln(pi)
08:37 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ln(pi) = 1.14472989
08:37 <wrtlprnft> no, log base pi of e i meant
08:38 <Lucifer_arma> ah, that would be the unnatural log, which is forbidden in the USA, because anything unnatural is forbidden
08:38 <wrtlprnft> #g log(e)/log pi
08:38 <armabot> wrtlprnft: log(e) / log(pi) = 0.873568527
08:38 <wrtlprnft> lol
08:38 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: you wanna make the callback for acceleration? I'm kinda stuck
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5050550.stm
08:39 <wrtlprnft> ok, log with the base of pi is lp from now on
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> isn't there a member of gCycle that stores acceleration?
08:39 <wrtlprnft> #g lp pi
08:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:39 <wrtlprnft> it's private and depends on the timestep length
08:39 <wrtlprnft> #g lg 100
08:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: lg(100) = 6.64385619
08:39 <Lucifer_arma> ahhh, I want instantaneous acceleration anyway :)
08:39 <wrtlprnft> #g log 100
08:39 <armabot> wrtlprnft: log(100) = 2
08:40 <wrtlprnft> what base is lg?
08:40 <wrtlprnft> #g ld 1024
08:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g log(100)
08:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: log(100) = 2
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g lg(100)
08:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: lg(100) = 6.64385619
08:40 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:40 <MaZuffeR> lg is base 2
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> #g ln(100)
08:40 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: ln(100) = 4.60517019
08:40 <Lucifer_arma> really?  lg is binary?
08:40 <wrtlprnft> lg *sjould* be base of 10
08:40 <wrtlprnft> ld *should* be base of 2
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> ld's the linker
08:41 <wrtlprnft> #g lg 1024
08:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: lg(1,024) = 10
08:41 <wrtlprnft> haha
08:41  * Lucifer_arma hates the midpoint rule
08:41 <wrtlprnft> g2g shool
08:41 <wrtlprnft> *shool
08:41 <wrtlprnft> *school
08:41 <wrtlprnft> o_O
08:41 <Lucifer_arma> screw it, I'm just going to move on
08:45 <spidey> lol
13:32 <Lucifer_arma> let's just stop all work on the game, it's fine the way it is, no need to do any more to it
13:49 <Lucifer_arma> anybody know of a good graphing program for linux that handles 3 dimensional objects?
13:54 <nemostultae> modeling program, you mean?
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13:55 <wrtl_web_broken> Lucifer_arma: ?
13:57 <Lucifer_arma> no, not a modeling program, at least, not like blender
13:58 <Lucifer_arma> I'm given 4 functions, and I need to find the volume of the area bounded by those functions rotated around a line, mostly the x or y axis
13:58 <Lucifer_arma> it would be neat to have a program that could graph it for me that I could look at.  :)
13:59 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: how do I get the instantaneous acceleration of a cycle?
13:59 <Lucifer_arma> wrtl_web_broken: ? ?
14:06 <wrtl_web_broken> 13:32 <Lucifer_arma> let's just stop all work on the game, it's fine the way it is, no need to do any more to it
14:06 <wrtl_web_broken> ?
14:06 <Lucifer_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=54431#54431
14:07 <Lucifer_arma> I read that as "don't add anything new, the game is fine like it is"
14:08 <wrtl_web_broken> povray can do functions a la Axx Byy Cxy Dx Ey F=0
14:08 <wrtl_web_broken> upto any power, i think
14:08 <Lucifer_arma> REAL            acceleration;   <--- in gCycleMovement, is this instantaneous acceleration?
14:08 <wrtl_web_broken> and you get them calculated with proper lighting and shadows and all.
14:13 <wrtl_web_broken> Lucifer_arma: that's the acceleration for the next timestep
14:14 <wrtl_web_broken> so it's the velocity difference. In the same conditions it will be bigger with a big next timestep and smaller with a small next timestep
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14:16 <Lucifer_arma> what's its unit?  m/sec/sec ?
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14:50 <madmax|pt> hello
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14:54 <Lucifer_arma> the whole problem changes if you draw the picture right, grrrr.......
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15:20 <Lucifer_arma> if I were a supervillain, I'd be called Paraboloid
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15:31 <madmax|pt> Paraboloid?
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15:43 <Lucifer_arma> yessir, Paraboloid.
15:43 <madmax|pt> Paraboloid wouldnt sell.
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> I'd come swooping in with my rocket shoes and laser rifle and start shooting up the place while everybody else says "What the fuck is a paraboloid?"
15:43 <madmax|pt> lol
15:43 <Lucifer_arma> and then some smart-ass calc student would compute my volume and I'd be defeated
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd come back as the integrator, and I'd go to school playgrounds, point my laser rifle at the kids there and say "Go tell your parents to give me all their money!"
15:46 <Lucifer_arma> and I'd fight awesome battles that would ravage entire downtown landscapes with my archenemy the Antiderivative
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> ultimately he'd figure out he was just my tool, but by then I'd rule the world!  Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
15:47 <Lucifer_arma> hmm.  I think I've been working too hard on this calculus stuff.
15:47 <madmax|pt> lol
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15:49 <Lucifer_arma> volume of a cylinder is pi*r^2*height, right?
15:49 <madmax|pt> right
15:49 <joda_bot> z-man: Lucifer_arma: To which library or include does rSysdep.cpp:332 belong ? ... It's a "write(" methog
15:52 <Lucifer_arma> that's a good question.  grep only turned up that one instance of it (other than stuff that's obviously attached to other unrelated things)
15:53 <Lucifer_arma> png.h ?
15:53 <joda_bot> hm, png.h is part of ?
15:54 <Lucifer_arma> well, it's up there, and the function is make_screenshot(), what else would it be?
15:54 <z-man> No, png functions start with png_
15:54 <z-man> It has something to do with Luke's video recording thing, I guess.
15:55 <joda_bot> aw
15:55 <Lucifer_arma> can you give us the pertinent lines in the compiler output?
15:55 <joda_bot> Because I don't have the function on windows
15:55 <joda_bot> ompiling: ..\armagetronad\src\render\rSysdep.cpp
15:55 <joda_bot> ..\armagetronad\src\render\rSysdep.cpp: In function `void make_screenshot()':
15:55 <joda_bot> ..\armagetronad\src\render\rSysdep.cpp:332: error: `write' undeclared (first use this function)
15:55 <joda_bot> ..\armagetronad\src\render\rSysdep.cpp:332: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in.)
15:55 <joda_bot> ..\armagetronad\src\render\rSysdep.cpp: In member function `virtual bool rFastForwardCommandLineAnalyzer::DoAnalyze(tCommandLineParser&)':
15:55 <joda_bot> ..\armagetronad\src\render\rSysdep.cpp:443: error: `dup' undeclared (first use this function)
15:55 <z-man> According to man, it's in unistd.h
15:55 <joda_bot> ..\armagetronad\src\render\rSysdep.cpp:446: error: `dup2' undeclared (first use this function)
15:55 <joda_bot> Process terminated with status 1 (7 minutes, 4 seconds)
15:55 <joda_bot> 4 errors, 4 warnings
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> what are the 4 warnings?
15:56 <z-man> Try #include <unistd.h>, Luke forgot that :)
15:56 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: some uninitisalized stuff can be ignored
15:56 <Lucifer_arma> ok, no missed includes, then?
15:57 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: no, I would have been able to fix that
15:57 <joda_bot> z-man: Should I move all code blocks stuff into armagetronad now ?
15:57 <joda_bot> and we scrap the build_codeblocks module ?
15:58 <joda_bot> or keep all windows build stuff outside
15:58 <z-man> If that suits you. I don't mind.
15:58 <z-man> brb
15:59 <z-man> My personal criterion, as stated, is that "if it goes into the tarball, it should be in the main module".
16:00 <z-man> The code::blocks stuff gets into the src.zip. That qualifies.
16:00 <Lucifer_arma> so if I've got (x^3)^2 to integrate, is it ok for me to simplify that to x^6?
16:00 <z-man> I'd only ask you not to pollute the main directory. Keep it neat.
16:00 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: of course, simplifications are always allowed. 
16:00 <joda_bot> I would do it like nemo did for macosx
16:01 <z-man> Fine by me.
16:01 <Lucifer_arma> I found my screwup.  I took x^6 and somehow integrated it to (heh)  (x^6)/3
16:01 <z-man> That's a new one :)
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> well, the first term was x^2, which integrated to (x^3)/3 , so it's not totally illogical :)
16:02 <joda_bot> What will we do with VisualC builds ?
16:02  * Lucifer_arma is breaking new ground in math!
16:02 <madmax|pt> thats a real bad integration
16:02 <madmax|pt> lol
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> I"m the Real Bad Integrator!  Fear me!  arrrr
16:02  * Lucifer_arma points his laser rifle at madmax|pt 
16:02 <z-man> joda_bot: I don't mind either :)
16:02 <joda_bot> I look at the SDL dists and they add archives for different IDE
16:02 <madmax|pt> oh noooooo
16:02 <Lucifer_arma> go tel your parents to give me all their money!
16:03 <z-man> Yeah, we shouldn't do that.
16:03 <joda_bot> I looked
16:03 <madmax|pt> fear! feaaaaaarrr!
16:03 <z-man> At least not in SVN.
16:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm a firm believer that if you get the source distribution, you should reasonably have everything we can reasonably provide to build it for the platforms we support
16:03 <joda_bot> z-man: we could zip the files for source ball generation ?
16:03 <z-man> And it's really silly to untar a tarball and find a zip inside :)
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, if it was a zip inside a zip, that wouldn't be silly, people do that all the time
16:04 <joda_bot> compressing a zip usually compresses better, as ZIP does not collect all files first to compress them as one
16:04 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: the acceleration thing is in m/s
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> not m/s/s?
16:04 <wrtlprnft> no
16:04 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah, since z-man's talking...
16:05 <z-man> Acceleration is m/s/s.
16:05 <z-man> or m/(s^2)
16:05 <Lucifer_arma> REAL            acceleration;   <--- in gCycleMovement, is this instantaneous acceleration?
16:05 <madmax|pt> yep
16:05 <joda_bot> z-man: the include fixed it
16:05 <wrtlprnft> i know what acceleration is supposed to be in
16:05  * Lucifer_arma wants a gauge for instantaneous acceleration
16:05 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: yes, that's the acceleration in effect right now.
16:05 <wrtlprnft> but from the comments somewhere else i deduced that it's really the speed difference for the next timestep
16:06 <wrtlprnft> uh, ok, i'm probably wrong then ;)
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> well, wrtlprnft, as a matter of fact, you're giving us one of the ways my calc teacher gave us of visualizing the derivative and putting it into words :)
16:06 <Lucifer_arma> he'd be proud of you, were you to tell him that :)
16:07 <wrtlprnft> uh, thanks i guess
16:07 <z-man> Yeah, teachers like to hear their own explanations releated to them slightly differetly :)
16:07 <z-man> repeated
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> so I just need a callback to return that member in gCycle
16:07 <wrtlprnft> if it's public
16:07 <Lucifer_arma> it's a protected member, though, so a new method is needed in gCycle to expose it
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> rather, it's needed in gCycleMovement
16:08 <Lucifer_arma> and a bar gauge that can show negative numbers
16:08 <wrtlprnft> it can already
16:09 <wrtlprnft> you just need to make the minimum negative
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> just set the range to like [-5,5] ?
16:09 <wrtlprnft> yes
16:09 <wrtlprnft> if that doesn't work, it's a bug
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> then pick the colors I want?  :)
16:09 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: uh, any reason you deleted my changes to NEWS?
16:09 <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'll get to it in a bit, still doing calc homework.  slowly, but doing it.
16:09 <joda_bot> sublipse is really dumb, the plugin does not show conflicts in the gui... the cvs plugin for eclipse shows the conflict and you have to fix it by hand, it does not merge the files ...
16:10 <joda_bot> the svn plugin sublipse ... just puts the <text a  >text b there :-(
16:10  * madmax|pt is away: I'm busy
16:10 <wrtlprnft> nemostultae: nvm, i screwed up my svn log command
16:11 <wrtlprnft> or, i screwed up interpreting it
16:11 <z-man> wrtlprnft: you have to "svn update" before your commit appears in the log
16:11 <wrtlprnft> no, that's fine
16:11 <wrtlprnft> it's just all the - sign
16:11 <wrtlprnft> s
16:11 <wrtlprnft> didn't see that there was a space before the minus
16:12 <Lucifer_arma> um, is there a delta in the armagetronad font?
16:13  * Lucifer_arma wants his gauge caption to be ?V
16:13 <wrtlprnft> no, there isn't one
16:13 <wrtlprnft> you can make one, but it won't help
16:13 <wrtlprnft> delta isn't in latin-1
16:14 <Lucifer_arma> oh.  :(
16:15 <z-man> Well, a perfect reason for unicode, then :)
16:15 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: give me a function that converts utf-8 to utf-16 or find me a way to get FTGL to accept utf-8 and i'll get it going
16:16 <z-man> Shouldn't be too hard, maybe ask our chief bitwrangler Luke?
16:17 <wrtlprnft> http://opengl.geek.nz/weblog/archives/cat_ftgl.html
16:17 <wrtlprnft> search for the first occurence of "utf-8"
16:17 <wrtlprnft> unfortunately id didn't work when i tried :(
16:18 <wrtlprnft> or, nvm, utf-8 isn't 8-bit by that definition
16:18 <wrtlprnft> so, why doesn't that thing tell me how to do that conversion?
16:19 <joda_bot> z-man: Would the nsi installer files go into armagetronad/win32 too ?
16:19 <joda_bot> z-man: or should we consider it a installer or build file
16:20 <z-man> I'd say it's a build file.
16:20 <joda_bot> so move it to winlibs ?
16:20 <z-man> Everything in the tarball to build and run, everything in the build module to distribute.
16:20 <z-man> Winlibs or build.
16:20 <z-man> Probably more useful to the Windows guys if it's in Winlibs.
16:20 <joda_bot> ok, so I move all codeblocks project files to build/win32 ?
16:21 <joda_bot> and also the nsi banner.svg & co ?
16:21 <z-man> Gee, do I have to decide everything here? :)
16:21 <joda_bot> I'm sorry
16:22 <wrtlprnft> z-man: you don't have to, pass it to another project admin :P
16:22  * wrtlprnft looks at Lucifer_arma 
16:22 <z-man> The basic code::blocks project files and makedist.bat, everything that is required to build the thing and run it from the build directory and debug it, goes somewhere into the main armagetronad module.
16:22 <wrtlprnft> http://www.example-code.com/vcpp/convert-utf-8-iso-8859-1.asp
16:23 <joda_bot> z-man: ok ...
16:23 <wrtlprnft> that's vc++ only, right?
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> if he passes it to me, all the spec files, the nsis file, and whatever nemo uses will end up in the main module
16:23 <Lucifer_arma> therefore, he probably doesn't want to pass this one to me :)
16:23 <z-man> And my only condition is that you shouldn't mess up the main directory :) So as long as you hide everyhing in win32, you won't hear me bitching.
16:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar> oh my god...
16:23 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: hehe, right :)
16:24 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: ?
16:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the behaviour of the camera in svn version
16:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> makes me sick
16:24 <wrtlprnft> you mean glances?
16:24 <[Xpert]DarkStar> yeah
16:24 <wrtlprnft> it's a matter of getting used to it
16:24 <wrtlprnft> trust me, you'll love it after a while
16:24  * wrtlprnft can't play with a regular version of arma anymore
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> do you mean sick as in puking sick, or just sick as in "I'll get used to it eventually"?
16:25 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: Is it still possible to revert to 0.2.7.1 cam ?
16:25 <z-man> meriton is against that.
16:25 <z-man> But I have the feeling that will get overruled at some point.
16:25 <Lucifer_arma> well, meriton can hang himself if this cam will make people sick
16:25 <joda_bot> because we'll stop some players to upgrade 
16:25 <joda_bot> if it's not possible
16:25 <wrtlprnft> well, there's 3 possible things people might want...
16:26 <z-man> joda_bot: exactly.
16:26 <Lucifer_arma> if our choice is "make people sick" or "provide config options meriton hates", we do the thing meriton hates
16:26 <wrtlprnft> they might want the very old glancing, the new glancing, and the version in between
16:26 <Lucifer_arma> they'll get meriton's glance and one that doesn't make them sick and they'll like it :)
16:26 <wrtlprnft> the one that chooses the direction relative to the cycle
16:27 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: I compiled SDL_mixer with native MIDI (if that fails), t... emulation and also mp3 support
16:27 <joda_bot> before it only supported mod wav and ogg
16:27 <Lucifer_arma> but it has to be puking sick, not "I'll get used to it" sick.  Who wants to volunteer to test?
16:27 <wrtlprnft> is the MPL compatible to the GPL?
16:28  * [Xpert]DarkStar is cleaning his keyboard because he puked over it
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> joda_bot: umm, that's great.  But if I'm sitting on top of the soundtrack, there won't be any midi.  :)  However, I definitely think that if midi is supportable on enough backends to be worthwhile, then we shoudl allow it for other musicians
16:28 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: how? Drink lots of beer, eat fat snacks, and play for an hour?
16:28 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: that sounds like our target audience!
16:28 <wrtlprnft> lol
16:29 <wrtlprnft> http://www.onicos.com/staff/iz/amuse/javascript/expert/utf.txt
16:29 <wrtlprnft> yay that sounds nice enough :D
16:29 <wrtlprnft> just turn it into c++
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> [Xpert]DarkStar: take a picture of the keyboard before you finish and post it
16:29 <Lucifer_arma> in the thread where meriton says "config options suck" :)
16:29 <wrtlprnft> well meriton DOES have a point
16:30 <wrtlprnft> the camera has too many options
16:30 <wrtlprnft> and it's a pain to test them all
16:30 <z-man> We can always fork the camera code.
16:30 <Lucifer_arma> ?
16:30 <z-man> Keep the old stuff (0.2.8) in a separate file and start over with new, clean stuff.
16:30 <z-man> and give a binary option to choose between the two.
16:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> the glancing would be ok i guess...
16:31 <z-man> The clean one would be designed to be flexible, so we'll have an easier time tweaking it.
16:31 <[Xpert]DarkStar> if it was faster
16:31 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: there's an option for that
16:31 <Lucifer_arma> there's an option for that
16:31 <wrtlprnft> GLANCE_ANGULAR_VELOCITY i think
16:31 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: You suggested getting the documentation from the wiki ? Did you have a plan in mind how to realize
16:31 <joda_bot> it ?
16:31 <Lucifer_arma> type angular into your console and you'll see it
16:31 <wrtlprnft> no, not yet
16:32 <wrtlprnft> [Xpert]DarkStar: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Camera_Glance_Keys
16:32 <wrtlprnft> you wanna read that :)
16:32 <z-man> Does the WIKI have a plain text export function?
16:32 <Lucifer_arma> last I checked it only had xml
16:32 <wrtlprnft> it has an XML export function
16:32 <Lucifer_arma> which isn't terrible, mind you
16:32 <joda_bot> we should also add some kind of localization to the documenation if possible
16:32 <z-man> minded
16:32 <Lucifer_arma> but we'd have to crawl every page to get it, it doesn't have export the whole wiki
16:32 <wrtlprnft> > How about the auto-kick on whining about lag? Is that reasonably close? Who was working on it?
16:32 <joda_bot> on the wiki: de:rubber
16:33 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: definitely, we need that!
16:33 <joda_bot> perhaps ?
16:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ah got it :D
16:33 <[Xpert]DarkStar> wonderful
16:33 <wrtlprnft> and there's another factor thing
16:33 <z-man> Lucifer_arma: just checking, were you serious about the speed limit kill?
16:33 <wrtlprnft> for glances >90�
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> ok, we don't need to fork the camera code :)
16:33 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: yes, that was serious :)
16:33 <joda_bot> Lucifer_arma: can we perhaps put all documentation for the build into a category ?
16:34 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: you can do that :)
16:34 <wrtlprnft> just add [Category:Build] to the end of the page
16:34 <wrtlprnft> IIRC you also have to create a page called Category:Build
16:34 <joda_bot> hm, what would german build documenation use ?
16:34 <joda_bot> [Category:DE:Build] ?
16:35 <wrtlprnft> uh, i guess so
16:35 <z-man> A problem with localized external documentation is that it gets out of sync. Simple logic:
16:35 <wrtlprnft> i don't know how mediawiki handles diffefrent languages
16:35 <z-man> external documentation gets out of sync
16:35 <joda_bot> or would it read [Category:Build,DE]
16:35 <z-man> translations get out of sync with the original
16:35 <wrtlprnft> it might be Category_DE:Build or DE_Category:Build, not sure
16:36 <z-man> ergo, translated external documentation gets useless the day after it's written :)
16:36 <joda_bot> z-man: having some documentation in german is better than having none
16:36 <Lucifer_arma> translators need to be subscribed to the page they translated so they can keep it in sync, but that problem has nothing to do with it being external :)
16:36 <joda_bot> I might also be able to get a few ppl to translate and write basic documentation
16:36 <z-man> Yeah, for the basics, I'd agree :)
16:36 <joda_bot> I would not want to translate deep documentation
16:37 <joda_bot> just FAQ and a basic tutorial
16:37 <z-man> Yea, that's OK.
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, ummm, the wiki's supposed to provide deep documentation
16:37  * wrtlprnft laughts at iF
16:37 <wrtlprnft> his fault he never gives out sources
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> also, consider ways to make the documentation in the main module and export it to the wiki.  there's a certain amount of documentation we probably need to keep there and push it to the wiki instead of vice-versa
16:37 <z-man> Well, now we have a close example we can point others who don't give out sources to.
16:37 <Lucifer_arma> basic game manual, stuff people *need* to have to run the game
16:38 <z-man> Hmm, sounds good.
16:39 <Lucifer_arma> when we have an army of translators (sometime after the gettext thing, I bet), we'll make keeping *that* manual up to date part of the job :)
16:39 <z-man> It'll need to get a lot smaller, then :)
16:40 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: z-man: What's iF's problem ?
16:40 <z-man> He lost armabell's source code.
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> his mommy never taught him how to share and share alike
16:40  * joda_bot infected by a virus again ?
16:40 <Lucifer_arma> hard drive failure, wasn't it?
16:40  * joda_bot thinks if's pc is infected by a virus again :-)
16:40 <joda_bot> oh :-(
16:41 <z-man> again?
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> of course, if he'd have released the source for armabell, there'd be ~20 people that would have the latest version in a tarball waiting for him to pick it up
16:41 <joda_bot> hehe, the first gll got killed by the php virus
16:41 <joda_bot> (no backup AFAIK)
16:41 <Lucifer_arma> #f
16:41 <armabot> Random Fortune:  BOFH Excuse #19: || floating point processor overflow
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> awww, no Linus saying something about backups and mirrors?
16:42 <Lucifer_arma> here's the question of the day, then I'm working this next problem:
16:43 <Lucifer_arma> Why do Windows users and developers consistently and repeatedly accept being treated like second-class citizens?  Even by open source projects that make special build modules for Windows sources that they don't make for any other group of users?
16:44 <joda_bot> How about this http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Export ?
16:44 <z-man> Didn't know they accepted it :)
16:45 <Lucifer_arma> the ones that fight back are generally called Linux users :)
16:46 <z-man> yarr.
16:47 <z-man> wrtlprnft: DONTDOIT is a very stupid name for a macro you have to define to use raw OpenGL functions.
16:47 <z-man> wrtlprnft: does armabot ignore Luke also into the other direction?
16:47 <z-man> #notes
16:47 <armabot> z-man: I currently have notes waiting for a*, Luke-Jr, and phil.
16:47 <Lucifer_arma> apparently yes
16:47 <z-man> apparently :)
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> and DONTDOIT was made by Jonathan :)
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> afaik
16:48 <z-man> nono, that's my abomination.
16:48 <Lucifer_arma> but I think he said it was made by z-man
16:49 <z-man> Maybe rename it to ALLOW_RAW_OPENGL or get rid of it entirely, it was an ill fated attempt to enforce 3D API independence.
16:49 <Lucifer_arma> hey, I'm figuring out the volume on the shell of an acorn!  neat!
16:51 <joda_bot> Did anyone ever see a list of all armagetronad dependencies ?
16:52 <Lucifer_arma> I think I'm too sleepy to work this problem
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> I'll take a patch that lets Luke receive armabot messages
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> better, I'll take a better set of manners :)
16:53 <wrtlprnft> z-man: armabot doesn't ignore him in the other direction
16:53 <wrtlprnft> i think if you say #tell Luke-Jr blah it still arrives
16:53 <Lucifer_arma> you sure?
16:53 <z-man> #notes Luke-Jr
16:53 <armabot> z-man: Sent 1 week, 3 days, 2 hours, and 14 minutes ago: <z-man> Please read the subversion thread on the forum before starting the conversion. http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=50011#50011
16:53 <wrtlprnft> but since it ignores everything says notes never get delivered
16:54 <z-man> definitely got ignored.
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> a test
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> #message z-man you should receive this one
16:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
16:54 <wrtlprnft> it delivers notes to the target when it speaks, right?
16:54 <z-man> test
16:54 <z-man> right
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> #ignore add z-man
16:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: The command "ignore add" is available in the Admin and Channel plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "ignore add".
16:54 <z-man> hey
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add z-man
16:54 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
16:54 <wrtlprnft> but, if armabot ignores Luke-Jr, it will never deliver them
16:54 <Lucifer_arma> yes I do
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore add z-man
16:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
16:55 <wrtlprnft> it doesn't know he spoke
16:55 <wrtlprnft> #m z-man test
16:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> #message z-man another test, you should get this one too
16:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
16:55 <z-man> #later tell Lucifer_arma stop that!
16:55 <z-man> #night
16:55 <wrtlprnft> he won't get them
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> did you get the messages?
16:55  * z-man feels so alone without armabot
16:55 <wrtlprnft> #notes z-man 
16:55 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sent just now: <wrtlprnft> test and Sent just now: <Lucifer_arma> another test, you should get this one too
16:55 <z-man> no, no message
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore
16:55 <armabot> blah
16:55 <wrtlprnft> #tell z-man test
16:55 <wrtlprnft> that one?
16:55 <Lucifer_arma> #help admin ignore
16:55 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: Error: There is no command "admin ignore".
16:56 <z-man> bla
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> #help ignore
16:56 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: (ignore requires no arguments) -- Does nothing. Useful sometimes for sequencing commands when you don't care about their non-error return values.
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> #list admin
16:56 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: capability add, capability remove, channels, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, join, nick, and part
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> #admin ignore remove z-man
16:56 <armabot> Lucifer_arma: The operation succeeded.
16:56 <z-man> yes, got wrtls
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> duh
16:56 <z-man> got it, too.
16:56 <Lucifer_arma> so you got them after she stopped ignoring you?
16:56 <z-man> yes.
16:57 <z-man> [23:54] <armabot> Sent just now: <Lucifer_arma> you should receive this one
16:57 <z-man> [23:56] <armabot> wrtlprnft wants me to tell you: test
16:57 <z-man> [23:56] <armabot> Sent just now: <wrtlprnft> test
16:57 <z-man> [23:56] <armabot> Sent just now: <Lucifer_arma> another test, you should get this one too
16:57 <z-man> that's the ones I got.
16:57 <wrtlprnft> z-man: thanks for the DONTDOIT info
16:58 <z-man> nvm
16:58 <wrtlprnft> i was forced to put it into a header file, so probably a lot of things won't be affected by it anymore
16:58 <z-man> No problem.
16:58 <wrtlprnft> :)
16:59 <wrtlprnft> whats the point in restricting sources from using glTextureMode?
16:59 <Lucifer_arma> so basically, Luke gets ignored by armabot whenever he and I have one of our spats and I decide to ignore him, and his response is to use #echo to try to irritate me
16:59 <wrtlprnft> no, glMatrixMode
16:59 <wrtlprnft> whatever the name is
16:59 <Lucifer_arma> so if I take him off the ignore list, anybody want to take bets on how long it will be before he's back in the doghouse with armabot?
17:00 <z-man> Does he succeed irritating you? That would surprise me.
17:00 <wrtlprnft> five bucks on two days
17:00 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: I don't mind the restriction, because if we start using GL all over the place, using a different render engine will be more difficult
17:00 <Lucifer_arma> he succeeds in irritating me the same way my 5-year old succeeds in irritating me.
17:00 <wrtlprnft> FTGL needs those functions
17:01 <wrtlprnft> and with everything but opengl we'll need another font engine
17:01 <z-man> wrtlprnft: noooo problem. Allow them all.
17:01 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: If we use a strict render back end , we can use ogre and ogre might use directx to render for example ... or a cluster with renderman
17:01 <z-man> The original intention was to wrap all OpenGL calls into rRenderer calls for AIP independence.
17:01 <Lucifer_arma> don't the other renderers we've looked at use ftgl anyway?  or at least provide fonts?
17:01 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: DOS your server?
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: no, that's my 2 year old :)
17:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:02 <Lucifer_arma> my 5 year old is the one that says shit like "An invisible hand behind my hand hit my sister, and my hand was stuck in between"
17:02 <z-man> hehe.
17:02 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:04 <Luke-Jr> Luci's server runs DOS?
17:04 <Lucifer_arma> he's also the one where I say "Be quiet, I'm trying to listen for something", he immediately says "Ok, I'm being quiet" and proceeds to update me on his quiet status
17:04 <Lucifer_arma> DOS = denial of service...
17:04 <Luke-Jr> no, that's DoS =p
17:05 <wrtlprnft> dDoS?
17:05  * Lucifer_arma demonstrates he has patience
17:05 <Luke-Jr> DDoS is distributed DoS =p
17:05  * wrtlprnft is quiet
17:05  * wrtlprnft is still quiet
17:05  * Luke-Jr is quieter
17:05  * Luke-Jr is yet quieter
17:05  * wrtlprnft is more quiet than Lucifer_arma 
17:05  * wrtlprnft is more quiet than Luke-Jr 
17:05 <Lucifer_arma> #ingore add wrtlprnft
17:05 <wrtlprnft> heh
17:05 <Lucifer_arma> :)
17:05  * Luke-Jr is quite quiet still
17:06 <wrtlprnft> #ignoreme
17:06 <armabot> [x] [x] [x] [x] [x] You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes.
17:06 <wrtlprnft> :P
17:06  * n54 has been more quiet than any of you ^^
17:06 <Lucifer_arma> shut up n54
17:06  * Luke-Jr thinks not
17:07 <n54> lol
17:07 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: mommy, Luke-Jr hates me!
17:07  * wrtlprnft cries
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17:08 <wrtlprnft> or daddy i guess
17:10 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: hi mommy
17:10 <wrtlprnft> g2g kindergarden ;)
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17:12 <wrtlprnft> someone send me a message please
17:12 <wrtlprnft> fast
17:12 <wrtlprnft> before armabot stops ignoring me
17:12 <MamaBear> Lucifer, why do you hate TV?
17:13 <wrtlprnft> 2 minutes left to send me a message...
17:13 <Luke-Jr> #message wrtlprnft foo
17:13 <Luke-Jr> #message wrtlprnft bar
17:13 <wrtlprnft> aww
17:13 <wrtlprnft> someone else i guess
17:14 <z-man> #message wrtlprnft foobar
17:14 <armabot> z-man: The operation succeeded.
17:14 <wrtlprnft> test
17:14 -!- wrtlprnft_konver [n=mathias@S0106000f6687e817.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #armagetron
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17:14 <wrtlprnft> didn't get it
17:14 <wrtlprnft> so it does totally ignore me, too
17:15 <Luke-Jr> With Regard To Linear PRiNter FonTs...
17:15 <wrtlprnft> ?
17:15 <Luke-Jr> =p
17:15 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: any good library functions for converting between utf-8 and utf-16
17:15 <wrtlprnft> if not I'll make my own
17:15 <Luke-Jr> shrug
17:16 <Luke-Jr> easy to write
17:16 <wrtlprnft> #f
17:16 <wrtlprnft> #f
17:16 <z-man> Hehe, the new cycle_width code is working :) Didn't have to add much since the last attempt.
17:16 <wrtlprnft> #f
17:16 <MamaBear> my baby is rolling all around on the floor
17:16 <armabot> Random Fortune:  I distinctly remember forgetting that. -Clara Barton
17:16 <wrtlprnft> :)
17:16 <z-man> Who shall we test it with?
17:16 <wrtlprnft> yay armabot likes me again!
17:16 <Luke-Jr> z-man: how can I make IntersectWith handle 3D?
17:16 <z-man> Not at all?
17:16 <Luke-Jr> >:O
17:17 <z-man> IntersectWith is a eEdge function, right?
17:17 <Luke-Jr>     REAL z1=(    Point()->z + (    Point()->z -     other->Point()->z) *     Ratio(ret));
17:17 <Luke-Jr>     REAL z2=(e2->Point()->z + (e2->Point()->z - e2->other->Point()->z) * e2->Ratio(ret));
17:17 <Luke-Jr>     v = z1-z2;
17:17 <Luke-Jr>     if (v < -1 || v > 1) return NULL;
17:17 <wrtlprnft> z-man: what happens if two finite-width cycles hit each other from the front?
17:17 <z-man> they pass by each other.
17:17 <z-man> It just gets active when you enter a tunnel
17:17 <wrtlprnft> isn't that what you wanted to prevent?
17:17 <z-man> no
17:17 <wrtlprnft> oh, ok
17:18 <wrtlprnft> what about a tunnel of two wall ends?
17:18 <wrtlprnft> like that: ------> =========
17:18 <Luke-Jr> ...
17:18 <wrtlprnft> ther --- is your wall
17:18 <Luke-Jr> ============---------
17:18 <z-man> Once you're inside, you're dead.
17:18 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok
17:18 <z-man> I'll make it so that you can pass really short tunnels, probably
17:19  * wrtlprnft loves ascii art
17:19 <wrtlprnft> double binding: ||||||||||||
17:19 <z-man> and I still don't know how NOT to kill the poor inner wingen on the fortress startup :)
17:19 <z-man> Currently, they'd get crushed by the outer grinders.
17:19 <Luke-Jr> z-man: good
17:19 <wrtlprnft> oktatron: /Z_|\SV\>
17:19 <Luke-Jr> fortress grinding is lame
17:20 <Luke-Jr> let people come up w/ something original
17:20 <z-man> They will once the "boost on break" feature is in :)
17:20 <wrtlprnft> you'll be able to count the seconds it takes until bugfarm fortress is empty if you make startup grinding impossible
17:20 <z-man> (But I guess i'll limit the setting to only work with enemy walls at first)
17:21 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: Bugfarm hasn't claimed its goal as fun
17:21 <Luke-Jr> it's for testing
17:21 <z-man> Well, they won't notice the change until they're more than three on a team :)
17:21 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: well, but bugfarm needs to be some fun to make people play :P
17:21 <z-man> Luke-Jr is partly right, occasionally, I reserve the right to be cruel to the players there.
17:22  * wrtlprnft really would like a hack to gGame to replace the winzone by multiple death zones
17:22 <z-man> But in the case of the classic startup, I guess that would go to far. Got to find a solution.
17:22 <wrtlprnft> so every few seconds a new deathzone pops up
17:23 <z-man> I can just make the server forget it created one in the first place :)
17:23  * z-man goes checking
17:23 <Luke-Jr> z-man: aww, help me w/ 3D IntersectWith =p
17:23 <wrtlprnft> that would be fun, methinks
17:24 <z-man> Luke-Jr: you can't intersect two LINES in 3d reliably, you know?
17:24 <wrtlprnft> two 3d lines never intersect if they are computed with floats
17:24 <Luke-Jr> z-man: walls have height
17:24 <z-man> Perhaps it would help if you tell us what you're trying to do?
17:24 <Lucifer_arma> TV MAKES YOU STPUTID!
17:24 <wrtlprnft> or never RELIABLY intersect
17:24 <Luke-Jr> z-man: if walls don't collide, don't crash =p
17:25 <Luke-Jr> eg, if I'm driving over a wall, I shouldn't crash into it
17:25 <z-man> We have that.
17:25 <z-man> oh dear.
17:25  * Lucifer_arma once computed how many years of his life have been spent watching commercials on tv
17:25 <MamaBear> How many?
17:26 <wrtlprnft> well
17:26 <wrtlprnft> if you watch 3 hours of TV a day
17:26 <wrtlprnft> 30% is commercials
17:26 <wrtlprnft> that makes
17:26 <wrtlprnft> #g 3*.3
17:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 3 * .3 = 0.9
17:26 <wrtlprnft> almiost one hour a day
17:26 <wrtlprnft> #g 0.9*355.25
17:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.9 * 355.25 = 319.72500
17:26 <wrtlprnft> 319.7 hours per year
17:27 <z-man> #g makes you lazy :)
17:27 <armabot> z-man: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
17:27 <Luke-Jr> shouldn't that be 365.25?
17:27 <wrtlprnft> #g 0.9*365.25
17:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.9 * 365.25 = 328.72500
17:27 <wrtlprnft> whatever
17:27 <wrtlprnft> actually it's not .25
17:27 <Luke-Jr> .24
17:27 <wrtlprnft> #g 0.9*365.24
17:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.9 * 365.24 = 328.71600
17:27 <wrtlprnft> nitpicking...
17:27 <wrtlprnft> #g 70*328.716
17:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 70 * 328.71600 = 23,010.12
17:27 <MamaBear> If he already computed it, why can't he tell me?
17:28 <wrtlprnft> #g 23,010.12/24
17:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 23,010.12 / 24 = 958.75500
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> because I'm watching Wargames
17:28 <wrtlprnft> #g 23,010.12/24/365.24
17:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (23,010.12 / 24) / 365.24 = 2.62500
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> and it was something like 2 years
17:28 <wrtlprnft> 2.6 years!
17:28 <Lucifer_arma> 2 continuous years, not 2 years of practical life, that number was a bit higher
17:29 <wrtlprnft> what a waste ;)
17:29 <wrtlprnft> let's find out how long the average windows user will watch bluescreens :P
17:30 <z-man> Aw crap, the winzone spawning code is called every frame :)
17:30  * wrtlprnft has a nice bluescreen z-shirt :P
17:31 <wrtlprnft> that's a lot of winzones?
17:31 <wrtlprnft> z-man: reset the counter as well?
17:31 <z-man> There is no counter. Only a flag.
17:31 <wrtlprnft> like, the time of last death
17:31 <MamaBear> Are the commercials the only reason you hate it?
17:31 <wrtlprnft> set it to the time the killzone gets spawned
17:32 <z-man> It's not a counter, unfortunately.
17:32 <wrtlprnft> well, most stuff on american TV is crap :P
17:32 <z-man> It gets recalculated from the stored individual death times.
17:32 <z-man> most stuff in bookstores is crap, too :)
17:32 <wrtlprnft> it gets calculated every frame?
17:32 <wrtlprnft> what a waste
17:32 <z-man> yep.
17:33 <z-man> Maybe we should stagger it to once a second.
17:33 <MamaBear> I'm just curious because I'm Catholic and I hate TV, thinking most of the content is from the devil, so I was intrigued to hear that a satanist hates TV too.
17:33 <Luke-Jr> z-man: 3D IntersectWith? :/
17:33 <wrtlprnft> o_O
17:33 <z-man> Luke-Jr: too tired, wrong medium. Bring it to the Forum.
17:34  * wrtlprnft slowly gets to think Lucifer_arma isn't too wrong with his 5-year old comparison
17:34 <wrtlprnft> #last --from Luke-Jr --with "3D IntersectWith" --nolimit
17:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [17:33:35] <Luke-Jr> z-man: 3D IntersectWith? :/ and [17:23:51] <Luke-Jr> z-man: aww, help me w/ 3D IntersectWith =p
17:34 <wrtlprnft> uh, isn't armabot ignoring luke?
17:34 <wrtlprnft> #m Luke-Jr blah
17:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
17:34 <Lucifer_arma> well, I'd probably like tv more without all the jesus-loving that's on it
17:35 <Luke-Jr> TV is void of any Jesus-loving
17:35 <Lucifer_arma> 7th heaven?
17:35 <Luke-Jr> closest thing is demons-that-pretend-to-be-Jesus loving
17:36 <MamaBear> Are you looking forward to going to hell?
17:36 <Lucifer_arma> of course, the british have this neat show about a woman priest who thinks gays should be able to get married
17:36 <Lucifer_arma> that show's pretty cool
17:36 <wrtlprnft> american's can't just have british shows on their TV :P
17:36 <Lucifer_arma> of course I'm looking forward to going to hell.  Luke-Jr won't be there, and I'll be happy.
17:36 <wrtlprnft> they have to copy it, and a cheap copy, too, if possible
17:36 <Luke-Jr> perverts can get married-- to people of the opposite sex, of course
17:37 <wrtlprnft> s/'//
17:37 <Lucifer_arma> all my favorite people will be in hell, and none of the people I don't like
17:37 <Luke-Jr> screaming in agony, but sure
17:37 <MamaBear> You don't have to live with the guy.
17:38  * Lucifer_arma doesn't believe the liar God's FUD about hell
17:38  * Lucifer_arma doesn't trust genocial maniacs, in general, as a rule.
17:38 <Lucifer_arma> *genocidal
17:39 <Luke-Jr> The Truth does not lie
17:39 <Luke-Jr> MODs are cool
17:39 <n54> what do you get if you take infinite stupidity and multiply it by 6 billion? ^^
17:39 <Lucifer_arma> you noticed today's date, right?  :)
17:39 <Lucifer_arma> n54: I don't know just yet, but maybe next semester....
17:40 <n54> ...you get the human species
17:41 <Luke-Jr> Lucifer_arma: 2006-06-06
17:41 <Luke-Jr> by your calendar
17:41 <Lucifer_arma> anybody here ever argue with people that 3.5" floppy disks weren't hard disks?
17:41 <Luke-Jr> b2e-b0 by my calendar
17:41 <GodTodd> yep
17:41 <Luke-Jr> wtf?
17:41 <n54> heh someone says floppies were hard disks?
17:41 <Luke-Jr> what idiot calls a floppy a HD?
17:41 <Lucifer_arma> what do you know about hell's calendar?  Besides whatever bs your idiot hash-smoking prophet told you?
17:42 <Luke-Jr> IIRC, you use the gregorian calendar
17:43  * z-man knows when to keep out of a conversation.
17:43 <z-man> #night
17:43 <armabot> Good night z-man!
17:43 <n54> night z-man (you've escaped the madness!!!)
17:44 <z-man> Weren't 3.5 floppies called "Flexi Disks"?
17:44 <n54> not that I've noticed no
17:44 <n54> doesn't mean the haven't been called that of course :)
17:44 <n54> they*
17:44 <z-man> I've heard the term tossed around. Maybe a "Denglish" thing.
17:44 <n54> perhaps ^^
17:45 <Luke-Jr> like equeals?
17:45 <n54> makes sense though compared to real floppies
17:45 <z-man> We call cell phones "handies", after all.
17:45 <n54> I know, it's charming ^^
17:45 <Luke-Jr> or was equeals a typo?
17:47  * n54 goes to find out when the world championship starts
17:50 <Lucifer_arma> well, they have the hard case, or at least hard compared to 5.25" floppies, so people said they were hard disks, different from floppies
17:51  * Lucifer_arma is away: dinner
17:51 -!- Lucifer_arma is now known as LuciEatsPeople
17:51 <GodTodd> actually had a comp literacy teacher that pulled both apart for visual demonstration of why they were both called floppies
17:56  * n54 loves cracking up floppies and exposing their innards...
17:57 <n54> 6 parts, 8 if you count the metal on both sides of the actual disk
17:57 <Luke-Jr> I get 5 max... O.o
17:58 <Luke-Jr> unless you're counting the spring and stuff
17:58 <n54> you _must_ count the spring :)
17:58 <Luke-Jr> what if my disk lacks a spring?
17:58 <n54> without a spring the whole setup is useless ^^
17:58 <Luke-Jr> ...
17:58 <MamaBear> there are already gay priests anyway in the new church
17:58 <GodTodd> the spring that makes the cover snap back?
17:58 <Luke-Jr> floppies don't *need* a sheath
17:58 <n54> yup GodTodd
17:59  * wrtlprnft vaguely remembers floopies
17:59  * wrtlprnft hasn't used one in two years
17:59 <GodTodd> have plenty of floppies that work fine without that spring
17:59 <n54> yes but there's no point to having the encasing without the spring
17:59 <wrtlprnft> you can move it manually :P
17:59 <wrtlprnft> and fix it with tape
17:59 <Luke-Jr> ...
18:00 <Luke-Jr> tape won't fix it
18:00 <wrtlprnft> or hold it in place with a magnet :D
18:00 <GodTodd> doesn't make 'the whole setup useless' tho
18:00 <GodTodd> :P
18:00 <Luke-Jr> just remove the hole cover
18:00 <n54> as far as protecting the actual disk is concerned it pretty much does
18:00  * wrtlprnft has seen people using magnets to pin their floopies to their fridge
18:00 <Luke-Jr> ...
18:00 <GodTodd> nah...cover it manually for transport....then take the cover off for use :D
18:01 <n54> lol GodTodd ^^
18:01 <wrtlprnft> and then they wonder why they don't work
18:01 <Luke-Jr> just store data on flash gameboy cartridges =p
18:01 <GodTodd> magnets are bad for floppies??
18:01 <GodTodd> :/
18:01 <wrtlprnft> uh, if they come in contact, yes
18:02 <Luke-Jr> they don't need contact...
18:02 <wrtlprnft> close to each other
18:02 <GodTodd> nope they don't
18:02 <Luke-Jr> just need to get in the magnetic field
18:02 <GodTodd> airport security can ruin them
18:02 <wrtlprnft> keep your floppies away from the earth's magnetic field!
18:03 <wrtlprnft> i'd say the field has to be strong enough :P
18:03 <Luke-Jr> airport security is a joke
18:03 <GodTodd> all it takes for floppies is enough trips under the metal detectors
18:04 <Luke-Jr> bet I could easily get past them smuggling confidential info if I wanted to
18:04 <Luke-Jr> seriously, just write it to a gameboy cartridge and they'd probably ignore it
18:04 <wrtlprnft> you can take a CD-ROM with a photo of a gun with you :P
18:04 <Luke-Jr> =p
18:04 <wrtlprnft> you can take a whole notebook with you...
18:05 <wrtlprnft> so there's lots of pictures of guns :P
18:05 <wrtlprnft> use a printer and print them out
18:05 <Luke-Jr> take a plastic gun with you
18:05 <Luke-Jr> with bio ammu
18:05 <Luke-Jr> ammo*
18:06 <wrtlprnft> bio ammu?
18:06 <GodTodd> why take the trouble of writing it to anything other than your laptop? the confidential info i mean
18:06 <wrtlprnft> you mean methane?
18:06 <Luke-Jr> shrug
18:06 <Luke-Jr> I mean the Cure =p
18:06  * wrtlprnft farts bio ammu
18:07 <wrtlprnft> use cherry cores as bullets
18:07 <wrtlprnft> or however you call those hard things in cherries
18:07 <wrtlprnft> maybe seeds, whatever it is in english :P
18:07 <wrtlprnft> cherri pits!
18:08 <wrtlprnft> *cherry pits
18:11 <wrtlprnft> how come X11 is taking 476MB of my RAM?
18:11 <wrtlprnft> that's half of it!
18:12 <wrtlprnft> +400MB opera
18:12 <wrtlprnft> *300MB
18:12 <wrtlprnft> +100MB mysql
18:12 <wrtlprnft> wow
18:20  * madmax|pt is back (gone 02:10:09)
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18:36 <wrtlprnft> #math base
18:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (math base <fromBase> [<toBase>] <number>) -- Converts <number> from base <fromBase> to base <toBase>. If <toBase> is left out, it converts to decimal.
18:36 <wrtlprnft> #math base 10 8 12
18:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 14
18:36 <wrtlprnft> #math base 10 8 13
18:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 15
18:36 <wrtlprnft> #math base 10 8 14
18:36 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 16
18:36 <n54> ... ^^
18:36 <wrtlprnft> we should rename this channel to #calculator
18:37 <n54> no
18:37 <n54> we would attract sticky geeks with t1's or whatever if we did ^^
18:38 <n54> like many of them, a googolplex or something
18:38 <wrtlprnft> lol
18:38 <n54> :)
18:39 <wrtlprnft> ok, either my utf-16 function is flawed or FTGL doesn't like me
18:39 <n54> and we wouldn't bea aple to speak for all the talk of various simplex and what if any use fourth-dimensional geometry has, and the merits of other arcana
18:39 <n54> be able*
18:40 <n54> why do you want to mess with utf-16?
18:40 <n54> just choose either utf-8 or utf-16 and stick with it?
18:40 <n54> *just asking*
18:41 <wrtlprnft> utf-16 sucks for networking
18:41 <wrtlprnft> but ftgl only accepts utf-16
18:45 <n54> ok
18:47 <wrtlprnft> #base 2 8 110
18:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 6
18:47 <n54> iirc for most stuff (unless it's java) you can just chop utf-16 in two
18:47 <wrtlprnft> #base 8 2 6
18:47 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 110
18:47 <n54> and ditch the last part
18:47 <n54> + some minor things
18:48 <wrtlprnft> #base 16 2 1f
18:48 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 11111
18:48 <n54> since I'm probably very wrong I should go look it up ^^
18:48 <wrtlprnft> #base 16 2 3f
18:48 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 111111
18:49  * wrtlprnft is studying wikipedia right now
18:50 <wrtlprnft> #base 2 8 1110
18:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 16
18:51 <wrtlprnft> #base 2 8 11110
18:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 36
18:51  * wrtlprnft loves binary O_o
18:51 <n54> wrtlprnft: go to the source http://www.unicode.org/
18:52 <wrtlprnft> wikipedia is more readable, i guess
18:52 <wrtlprnft> and i assume it's right
18:55 <n54> ?3.9 here http://www.unicode.org/faq/specifications.html is a pdf that might answer all your questions much more directly and appropriately than wikipedia (haven't read it)
18:55 <n54> "Unicode Encoding Forms: UTF-8, UTF-16, UTF-32 conversion and validation                      ? 3.9"
18:58 <wrtlprnft> thanks, although i think i almost got it
18:58 <n54> ok :)
18:58 <wrtlprnft> it just drops the last char, but it converts fine
18:58 <n54> yes, I was confusing it all with utf-16 and utf-32 earlier
18:59 <n54> + some more too
18:59 <wrtlprnft> #base 2 16 111
18:59 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 7
19:00 <wrtlprnft> so, now what does it do with the last char?
19:02 <n54> page 23 on the mentioned pdf from the link I gave has a nice table
19:03 <n54> 0111
19:03 <n54> or 07h more appropriately
19:03 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:03 <wrtlprnft> wikipedia has that, too, with colors
19:03 <n54> :) happy if I can help (I rarely do) ^^
19:04 <n54> if I have been of help* am*
19:04 <wrtlprnft> :)
19:05 <n54> :)
19:05 <wrtlprnft> I think i'd better convert before i render
19:05 <wrtlprnft> much easier to deal with utf-16 than -8
19:05 <wrtlprnft> for word braking etc
19:05 <wrtlprnft> and i have to convert it at some point in time, anyways ;)
19:05 <n54> ok, yes probably
19:06 <n54> or simply go utf-16 locally for everything and just break it into utf-8 for networking? not sure
19:06 <wrtlprnft> grr
19:07 <wrtlprnft> screw tString::const_iterator
19:07 <wrtlprnft> char const * does the job as well :P
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19:13 <wrtlprnft> my graphic driver really sucks...
19:19 <GodTodd> my vacuum really sucks
19:20 <wrtlprnft> lol
19:23 <wrtlprnft> #later tell z-man* If we're bound to utf-16 for the font anyways, any reason not to switch the whole game except networking code to utf-16? That should save us lots of expensive conversations
19:23 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
19:25 <n54> graphics drivers... vacuum cleaners... huh obviously you guys haen't seen my math XD
19:25 <n54> haven't*
19:26 <wrtlprnft> n54: math calc 1 + 1
19:26 <wrtlprnft> armabot: math calc 1 + 1
19:26 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2
19:27 <wrtlprnft> looks like armabot is faster than n54 :D
19:27 <n54> lol
19:27 <LuciEatsPeople> armabot: math calc 2*8/2
19:27 <armabot> LuciEatsPeople: 8
19:27 <n54> not fair ;_; j/k
19:27 <GodTodd> 2+2==5, for very large values of 2
19:27 <GodTodd> ;)
19:27 <LuciEatsPeople> armabot: math calc 2.0*8.0/2.0
19:27 <armabot> LuciEatsPeople: 8
19:27 <n54> true GodTodd
19:27 <wrtlprnft> #math calc 2/3
19:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 0.666666666667
19:27 <LuciEatsPeople> armabot: math calc 2.0*1/3*3
19:27 <armabot> LuciEatsPeople: 2
19:27 <LuciEatsPeople> armabot: math calc 2.0*1/3
19:27 <armabot> LuciEatsPeople: 0.666666666667
19:28 <LuciEatsPeople> armabot: math calc sqrt(2.0*1/3^2)
19:28 <armabot> LuciEatsPeople: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
19:28 <LuciEatsPeople> there's a reason I use google instead
19:28 <wrtlprnft> #math calc 1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1*1
19:28 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 1
19:28 <wrtlprnft> really?
19:28 <n54> 8+8=4 :) (non-linear/circular 12)
19:29 <wrtlprnft> 8+8=4 (mod 12)
19:29 <n54> :)
19:29 <wrtlprnft> #armabot are you sure your last calculation is correct?
19:29 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Unlikely.
19:29 <wrtlprnft> ah
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19:52 <LuciEatsPeople> my robot vacuum cleaner sucks
19:53 <n54> it's meant to :P
20:16 <Luke-Jr> LuciEatsPeople: the one you built?
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20:28 <wrtlprnft> LuciEatsPeople: it does
20:28 <wrtlprnft> ?
20:28 <wrtlprnft> you didn't get it reprogrammed?
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20:40  * Lucifer_arma is back.
20:41 <Lucifer_arma> no, I didn't reprogram the robot yet, I just determined that I could, that it would cost $60 to start, that I didn't have $60, and moved on
20:41 <wrtlprnft> better put that time on arma :P
20:46 <wrtlprnft> lol @ converting armabell to python
20:56 <Lucifer_arma> :)
20:59 <Lucifer_arma> Luke-Jr: what's the name of the distribution you use on your zaurus (or whatever the fuck it is)?
21:05 <n54> might as well as "mamabear" (dug at the ip?)
21:05 <n54> ask*
21:06 <n54> "This page describes some technical issues regarding the Open Peering peering accelerator service at AMS-IX." run at Science Park Watergraafsmeer which is the owner of 217.170.48.0
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21:11 <n54> not in kansas any more ;P
21:12 <n54> (city)
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21:20 <n54> "ingen" means nobody in norwegian ^^
22:07 <wrtlprnft> http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/KnownCheats
22:07 <wrtlprnft> !
22:08 <wrtlprnft> what the heck, the client can do anything it likes? What sucky programming
22:08 <n54> huh
22:08 <wrtlprnft> fly without wings. isn't the server supposed to keep track of that?
22:09  * n54 wonders what the purpose of "shoot teammates without blowing them up" would be.... unless friendly fire is allowed I guess
22:10 <wrtlprnft> well
22:10 <wrtlprnft> you can shoot them by accident, happens quite often
22:10 <n54> ok
22:10 <n54> still yeah very sucky to have the client control the game rather than the server
22:11 <wrtlprnft> I mean, it's hard to prevent cheats like free camera, better map etc...
22:11 <wrtlprnft> but to have the whole engine on the client?
22:11 <n54> insanity :)
22:12 <n54> the opposite is the best; everything on the server; input and output on the client (ref. server nethack games)
22:12 <wrtlprnft> which is what arma does
22:12 <n54> as much as it can i guess
22:12 <wrtlprnft> that means, you can hack your client to go through walls, and it will display fine on your client
22:13 <wrtlprnft> but the server will think differently and kill you
22:13 <n54> yup
22:13 <wrtlprnft> exept if it's hacked itself, of course
22:13 <n54> mm
22:13 <wrtlprnft> but then it's the admin's fault
22:13 <n54> yup
22:15 <wrtlprnft> arma is of waaay better, wd z-man!
22:15 <n54> yay! ^^
22:15 <wrtlprnft> btw when i just played there was someone named zman
22:15 <wrtlprnft> but i guess that was someone else
22:16 <n54> no idea but since it's 0515 over here I think you're right ^^ (unless he has the day off tomorrow or something)
22:20 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:21 <wrtlprnft> oh, yeah, you get autokicked for having 300ms lag
22:21 <n54> I know germany has long summer vacations in the schools but it starts fairly late doesn't it?
22:21 <n54> in bz?
22:21 <wrtlprnft> how lame is that? the lag should be your problem, and if you manage to play with it, why not?
22:21 <wrtlprnft> yes
22:21 <n54> yeah
22:21 <wrtlprnft> n54: it starts at different times in different parts
22:22 <n54> oh, didn't know that
22:22 <wrtlprnft> to reduce traffic
22:22 <n54> smart
22:23 <n54> different weeks or just a few days?
22:23 <wrtlprnft> which means that if you live in munich and have relatives in flensburg you can only visit them for a week or so
22:23 <wrtlprnft> assuming they go to school
22:23 <n54> mm yeah I can see the drawback there, nothing is perfect :|
22:23 <wrtlprnft> z-man's start on june 26
22:23 <wrtlprnft> mine start on july 31
22:24 <n54> ah ok
22:24 <n54> that's a pretty big difference
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> yay, writer's block finally cleared, I just wrote my t2 article :)
22:24 <n54> it's only for summer right?
22:24 <Lucifer_arma> I'll edit it tomorrow and send it in.  :)
22:24 <wrtlprnft> n54: yes
22:24 <n54> :)
22:24 <n54> ok
22:24 <wrtlprnft> you can't shift christmas around :P
22:24 <n54> :)
22:24 <n54> unless you have like extra long vacations ;) hehe
22:25 <wrtlprnft> nah, just two weeks
22:25 <wrtlprnft> usually chistmas to jan 6
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> wrtlprnft: are you back in germany, then?
22:25 <wrtlprnft> sometimes more, ie if jan 6 is thursday you usually get friday off as well
22:25 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: not yet
22:25 <Lucifer_arma> nah, can't be, you're leaving for school in the morning just like I am
22:25 <n54> ok about 17th-20-th to about 7th (or 17th if you're at uni) here
22:25 <wrtlprnft> i'm going on june 30
22:26 <n54> you've seen another part of the world some distance away - always a good thing ^^
22:26 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:26 <wrtlprnft> and the people here :)
22:27 <n54> yup, actually lived there
22:27 <wrtlprnft> different than if you go on skiing vacation or something
22:27 <n54> if funds wasn't a problem I think every human should get that opportunity
22:27 <n54> absolutely
22:27 <wrtlprnft> biggest cost factor are the schools here :(
22:27 <n54> :)
22:28 <wrtlprnft> they charge LOTS of money
22:28 <wrtlprnft> that probably means I'll be busy in two weeks or so
22:29 <n54> working? :)
22:29 <wrtlprnft> no, just organizing
22:29 <n54> ok
22:29 <wrtlprnft> and there's my birthday at some day, too
22:29 <wrtlprnft> haven't decided yet what day it will be
22:30 <wrtlprnft> i was born in the morning of june 29, but that's the evening of june 28 here
22:30 <n54> how long have you been over there? I remember having to move back after two years was a real drag, amazing how much stuff one accreates even if a poor student *still misses text-books I used*
22:30 <n54> hehe
22:30 <wrtlprnft> like 10 months
22:31 <n54> ah that hopefully won't be as bad
22:31 <wrtlprnft> the school term - summer holidays
22:31 <wrtlprnft> - = minus
22:31 <n54> ok :)
22:31 <wrtlprnft> which means i'm making a bad deal
22:31 <n54> yeah I remember you complained about getting fewer holidays ;)
22:31 <wrtlprnft> our summer holidays are shorter, but we have lots of vacation during the year
22:32  * wrtlprnft is repeating himself
22:32  * wrtlprnft is repeating himself
22:32  * wrtlprnft is repeating himself
22:32 <n54> :)
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> SHUT THE FUCK UP
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> :)
22:32 <n54> lol
22:32 <wrtlprnft> heh
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> I need to go to bed before I become the Integrator
22:33 <wrtlprnft> o_O
22:33 <wrtlprnft> me too
22:33 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:33 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> so, if you have your birthday on the 29th, you can sleep off the flight back (you're flying, right?) courtesy of your hangover, but you have very little last minute time for packing
22:33  * wrtlprnft is going by boat of course j/k
22:33 <Lucifer_arma> but if you have your birthday on the 28th, your hangover's gone, but you have an extra day for last-minute packing
22:34 <wrtlprnft> hmm
22:34  * wrtlprnft isn't happy about the prospect of jet lag again :(
22:34 <wrtlprnft> and this one will be worse
22:34 <wrtlprnft> i fly off in the morning and arrive in the morning
22:34 <n54> yeah and discovering how heavy paper is *nearly broke his back trying to get most of the paper home without paying tons and tons of money*
22:34  * Lucifer_arma lives in a constant state of jet lag
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> which is why I need to go to bed, heh
22:35 <n54> weird - I' about to go sleep too
22:35 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i've got lotsa books here i need to get home somehow
22:35 <Lucifer_arma> n54 also lives in a constant state of jet lag, I've noticed
22:35 <wrtlprnft> the school library sucks, i can't easily get books from the public one, so i end off buying them
22:35 <n54> see? bet you didn't think of that before I mentioned it ^^ (save up and ship by boat mail)
22:36 <Lucifer_arma> well, I can carry something like 20 books in my pocket....
22:36 <n54> yeah not jet lag though, for me it's snail lag :)
22:36 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: airport security will be happy :P
22:36 <n54> lol
22:37 <Lucifer_arma> well, you're in Canada, they don't have any airport security...
22:37 <n54> just wear your nerd glasses and everything will be fine and they'll have to use all their energy to stop snickering ^^
22:37  * Lucifer_arma wonders if there are any Genuine Canadians here to take offense at that comment of his
22:37 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: well, compared to the crazy americans, no
22:37 <n54> "Oh no, here comes another bookworm again with 20 kilos overweight luggage because of books" "hehe"
22:38 <Lucifer_arma> "Yeah, look at that dork.  Where do you think he put his laptop?"
22:38 <n54> :)
22:38 <wrtlprnft> we don't have a country hating us that much that they fly planes into buildings
22:38 <wrtlprnft> (we = canada)
22:38 <n54> don't tempt fate wrtlprnft
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> well, as long as canada keeps insisting on being US Lite, they're destined to acquire such enemies
22:39  * n54 hints at recent canadian happenings
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> hell, maybe those guys hit the twin towers because they forgot where Montreal is?
22:39  * wrtlprnft just goes to bed, not that interested in such a discussion
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> maybe they stopped to ask for directions?
22:39 <Lucifer_arma> heh, ok, 'night
22:39 <n54> sleep well ^^
22:40 <Lucifer_arma> a little tronning before bed, I think
22:41 <n54> I need to log of now or I'll never get to drag myself to bed :) cya all
22:41 <n54> off*
22:42 <n54> *zap* *poof*
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