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Log from 2006-07-02:
--- Day changed Sun Jul 02 2006
00:00 <Vanhayes> AW is about to win vs SP
00:00 <Vanhayes> AW is about to win vs SP
00:00 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, join now
00:00 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, u there?
00:00 <madmax|pt> yes
00:01 <Vanhayes> sorry man I thought it was best 3 out of 5 not 2 out of 3
00:01 <Mkbkd> and WS vs LOL is going 
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> SL is former fe?  what's SL stand for?
00:01 <madmax|pt> this sucks
00:01 <Vanhayes> shadow legue
00:01 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, u play next match
00:01 <Mkbkd> shadow legion ~_~
00:01 <Lucifer_arma> so they're not Formerly Elite anymore?
00:01 <Mkbkd> haha
00:02 <Vanhayes> #fe
00:02 <Mkbkd> nope we is
00:02 <armabot> Fortress ...err... Something
00:02 <Lucifer_arma> isn't fe still around though?  I've seen fe-sky recently...
00:02 <Mkbkd> hmm 2020 t room server down 
00:02 <Vanhayes> it isnt dedicated so he hosts it
00:02 <Mkbkd> now his SL  (sKy)
00:03 <Vanhayes> SL beat LOD right?
00:03 <Mkbkd> yup
00:03 <Lucifer_arma> must be a recent thing, then.  Probably got tired of being called Formerly Elite
00:03 <Mkbkd> <_<
00:05 <Vanhayes> who are you Mkbkd?
00:05  * Lucifer_arma is tempted to start up a Fortress Egalitarian clan now
00:05 <Vanhayes> lol
00:05 <madmax|pt> Zop just said to me "who knows maybe AW won cause you weren't here :)"
00:05 <madmax|pt> this is really cool
00:06 <Mkbkd> ohh forget its me Ossi !)
00:06 <Vanhayes> heh Hey ossi
00:11 <Mkbkd> brb new match
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00:13 <Mkbkd> bwahahah SL vs Aw !)
00:13 <Mkbkd> and AW need players =_
00:13 <Mkbkd> =_=
00:14 <Mkbkd> !rules
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00:14 <Mkbkd> !help
00:14 <Mkbkd> !how2sweem
00:14 <Mkbkd> =-=
00:15 <Lackadaisical> wasn't it called Forfeit Elite?
00:15 <Mkbkd> #babel fish> forfeit
00:15  * Mkbkd dont speek english =_=
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00:16 <Mkbkd> ohh !)
00:17 <Vanhayes> spidey, DiD wa alread play there match?
00:18 <Vanhayes> spidey, Did WS alread play there match? i mean
00:18 <Mkbkd> hmm some WS still on bugferm
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00:31  * Lucifer_arma is chuckling about "Forfeit Elite"
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00:34 <Vanhayes> your gonna have to come up with something for SL now
00:35 <Mkbkd> #google free english lessons 4 noobz
00:35 <armabot> Mkbkd: Search took 0.50 seconds: Geek.com Geek News - Compaq now offering DDR: <http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2001feb/chi20010222004464.htm>; The OFFICIAL Pure Pwnage forums > List of Free MMORPGs: <http://www.purepwnage.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t15826.html>; Free Image and Video Hosting - Photo Image Hosting Site ...: <http://photobucket.com/>; 06S62!!: March 2006: (2 more messages)
00:35 <Mkbkd> ehh
00:36 <[Xpert]DarkStar> evening everyone
00:36 <Mkbkd> already >_>
00:37 <Mkbkd> #time Moscow
00:37 <armabot> Mkbkd: Moscow
00:37 <Mkbkd> hmm
00:37 <Vanhayes> evening
00:38 <Vanhayes> #help time
00:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: (time [<format>] [<seconds since epoch>]) -- Returns the current time in <format> format, or, if <format> is not given, uses the configurable format for the current channel. If no <seconds since epoch> time is given, the current time is used.
00:38 <Mkbkd> ty =_=
00:38 <Vanhayes> lol
00:38 <Vanhayes> #time minutes
00:38 <armabot> Vanhayes: minutes
00:38 <Vanhayes> er
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00:39 <Vanhayes> wb madmax|pt
00:39 <madmax|pt> ty
00:39 <joda_bot> #time GMT
00:39 <armabot> joda_bot: GMT
00:39 <joda_bot> :-)
00:39 <Vanhayes> lol
00:39 <Vanhayes> #time
00:39 <armabot> Vanhayes: 05:40 PM, July 01, 2006
00:40 <Vanhayes> lol
00:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> hmm
00:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> it's july 2 here
00:40 <joda_bot> #time HH:MM:SS DD.MM.YYYY
00:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> 0:40
00:40 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: 'DD.MM.YYYY' is not a valid floating point number.
00:40 <joda_bot> #time HH:MM:SS
00:40 <armabot> joda_bot: HH:MM:SS
00:40 <joda_bot> ropfl
00:40 <[Xpert]DarkStar> %H
00:40 <Vanhayes> it is only 2 hours slow for me
00:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #time %H:%M:%S
00:41 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: 17:41:21
00:41 <joda_bot> % ?
00:41 <joda_bot> hmmm ;)
00:41 <[Xpert]DarkStar> ^^
00:41 <joda_bot> the timezone is still of for me ;)
00:41 <Vanhayes> #time %s
00:41 <Vanhayes> #time %S
00:41 <Vanhayes> bah
00:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: 1151793713
00:41 <armabot> Vanhayes: 53
00:41 <madmax|pt> lol
00:41 <Vanhayes> wo
00:41 <joda_bot> #time %H:%M:%S %D.%M.%Y
00:41 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: '%D.%M.%Y' is not a valid floating point number.
00:42 <Vanhayes> #time %y
00:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: 06
00:42 <Vanhayes> #time %Y
00:42 <armabot> Vanhayes: 2006
00:42 <Vanhayes> heh
00:42 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #time %H:%M:%S-%D.%M.%Y
00:42 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: 17:42:28-07/01/06.42.2006
00:42  * spidey is very happy
00:42 <spidey> xD
00:42 <madmax|pt> your operative systems don't have a clock? :P
00:42 <Vanhayes> WS won?
00:42 <spidey> now i have to piss after that match
00:42 <spidey> yea
00:42 <spidey> sbrb
00:42 <Vanhayes> congrats
00:42 <madmax|pt> against who?
00:42 <joda_bot> #time %DD
00:42 <armabot> joda_bot: 07/01/06D
00:42 <Vanhayes> LOL
00:42 <joda_bot> #time %D
00:42 <armabot> joda_bot: 07/01/06
00:42 <Vanhayes> thats the team
00:42 <joda_bot> #time %d
00:42 <armabot> joda_bot: 01
00:43 <joda_bot> #time %d 1212
00:43 <armabot> joda_bot: 31
00:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> joda_bot: did you know you can /msg the bot?
00:43 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, go to z-man's ladle fort for next match
00:43 <joda_bot> [Xpert]DarkStar: sure ;)
00:43 <joda_bot> just spamming around ;)
00:43 <madmax|pt> Van, you play
00:43 <[Xpert]DarkStar> heh
00:43 <Vanhayes> you arnt gonna?
00:43 <joda_bot> madmax|pt: you should not listen to zop :-)
00:44 <madmax|pt> no
00:44 <madmax|pt> you play
00:44 <Vanhayes> well we can both play
00:44 <Lucifer_arma> Vanhayes: not me, Lackadaisical's the one that comes up with the cool meanings for fe :)
00:44 <Vanhayes> lol
00:44 <madmax|pt> i lost my appetite
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> Lackadaisical is in charge of kicking ass and coming up with words for Fe that reflect reality
00:45 <madmax|pt> lol
00:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> as it is now 00:45 here...
00:45  * [Xpert]DarkStar is going to sleep
00:45 <Lucifer_arma> 'night
00:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> thanks
00:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> you too
00:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> and all others as well
00:45 <Vanhayes> night
00:46 <madmax|pt> bye
00:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
00:46 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
00:46 <[Xpert]DarkStar> bye everyone
00:48 <spidey> mm
00:48 <spidey> we might win the CT match by forfeit O_o
00:49 <z-man> I'm letting this PC upload the builds of 0.3.0 to SourceForge. Anyone who cares and wishes can make a file release off them.
00:50 <z-man> I'll do it myself eventually, but not within the next 10 hours.
00:50 <z-man> If Brooky comes back, tell him it's a bad idea to /msg someone if you just want help :)
00:51 <z-man> #night
00:51 <armabot> Good night z-man!
00:51 <Lackadaisical> madmax|pt: they're one short now
00:51  * Lucifer_arma thinks he'll make the release on sourceforge, we can always hide it later if we want to go back on it there
00:52 <madmax|pt> please enter the game Lack
00:52 <Lackadaisical> Nii isnt playing
00:52 <Lackadaisical> like last match
00:53 <z-man> Ok, look at what file went where in the release and do it the same way again :) Warning, SF File Releases are a true pain.
00:53 <madmax|pt> now Durka is playing for AW?
00:53 <z-man> Don't forget to set the correct file types. One by one. With a huge page rebuilding every time.
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00:54 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, I dont know
00:54 <Vanhayes> madmax|pt, are u playing?
00:54 <madmax|pt> no
00:54 <Vanhayes> why not?
00:54 <madmax|pt> like i said, i lost my appetite
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00:54 <Lackadaisical> :(
00:54 <madmax|pt> wasnt Durka in LOL?
00:55 <Lackadaisical> yes]
00:55 <Lucifer_arma> lost your appetite?  what happened?
00:56 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: yeah, I know that'll suck :)
00:56  * Lucifer_arma has done sourceforge file releases before, and they suck ass
00:57 <joda_bot> #night
00:57 <armabot> Good night joda_bot!
00:57 <joda_bot> ;)
00:57 <joda_bot> And may the best team win the laddle 
00:57 <Lackadaisical> gnight
00:57 <madmax|pt> cya joda
00:58 <joda_bot> good luck lack , madmax|pt ;) you'll win (at least some points ;))
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01:00 <madmax|pt> does anyone know a musical group called Boozoo Bajou?
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01:04 <madmax|pt> guess im really the only one huh
01:04 <Lackadaisical> heh no i dont know it
01:05 <Lackadaisical> sure you dont want to play?
01:05 <madmax|pt> i'm sure
01:05 <Lackadaisical> k
01:09 <spidey> lack
01:09 <spidey> you on a ladle team?
01:11 <Vanhayes> AW
01:11 <Vanhayes> match about to start
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01:23 <Vanhayes_> ##
01:23 <armabot> Random Fortune:  Q: How do you stop an elephant from charging? || A: Take away his credit cards.
01:24 <Vanhayes_> Lackadaisical, server is full
01:24 <Vanhayes_> I cant get back in :(
01:24 <spidey> mmm
01:24 <spidey> slucis server just bugged the fuck out
01:25 <Vanhayes_> try /players
01:25 <Vanhayes_> he cheats
01:25 <spidey> i don't mean some minor bug,i mean major O_o
01:25 <Vanhayes_> try .players
01:25 <Vanhayes_> er /*
01:25 <spidey> yea/
01:25 <spidey> ?
01:26 <Vanhayes_> it will tell u if he is logged in
01:26 <spidey> he is
01:26 <spidey> man
01:26 <spidey> 3 axis owns
01:27 <Vanhayes_> get a SS of him logged in
01:29 <madmax|pt> did CT show up?
01:29 <Lucifer_arma> who?  what?
01:29 <madmax|pt> o_O
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01:36 <Vanhayes__> spidey, are they still ogged in?
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01:38 <Lucifer_arma> still logged in where?  is this on my server?
01:38 <spidey> ?
01:38 <_Vanhayes_> on Ady lucifer
01:39 <spidey> no
01:39 <spidey> we had to logout and login
01:39 <spidey> and ct hasn't been found yet
01:39 <madmax|pt> i think Lucifer is stressed
01:39 <spidey> WS) Manta says:
01:39 <spidey> ok looks like CT has officaly droped out of the lades, acording to xevi
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01:40 <madmax|pt> o_O
01:40 <madmax|pt> Van, are collecting nick here?
01:40 <madmax|pt> *are you
01:40 <madmax|pt> *nicks
01:40 <madmax|pt> lol
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01:41 <madmax|pt> which Vanhayes should i talk to?
01:41 <Vanhayes> this one
01:41 <spidey> mmm
01:41 <Vanhayes> wo
01:42 <Vanhayes> Lackadaisical, the server is full again
01:42 <spidey> looks lie
01:42 <spidey> we're playing aw O_o
01:42 <Lackadaisical> ok
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01:45 <[1]Vanhayes> ##
01:45 <armabot> Random Fortune:  6 oz. orange juice || 1 oz. vodka || 1/2 oz. Galliano || Harvey Wallbangers
01:45 <[1]Vanhayes> this is gettinf insane
01:46 <madmax|pt> that must be a record
01:46 <madmax|pt> :D
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01:53 <flea> lol is obliv here
01:54 <Vanhayes_> AW lost
01:54 <Vanhayes_> hmm
01:54 <madmax|pt> some big ping timeouts on freenode
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01:55 <Vanhayes> heh
01:55 <spidey> :p
01:55 <Vanhayes> rcant do anything bout the others
01:55 <Mkbkd> awawawawawaw
01:55 <Lackadaisical> aw aw aw we lost
01:55 <Vanhayes> man I only played about 1 match out of the 3
01:56 <Vanhayes> I could have at least got 1 kil :(
01:56 <spidey> bbl,
01:56  * Mkbkd need change pants
01:56 <Lackadaisical> heh yeah
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01:56 <Vanhayes> heh
01:56 <Vanhayes> 1 down
01:57 <Lackadaisical> i cant believe fe is actually gonna win the ladle
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01:58 <Mkbkd> i dont believe it 2 )
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01:59 <Vanhayes_> Bah
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01:59 <Mkbkd> how many vans left ?)
01:59 <Vanhayes> only 1
01:59 <Lackadaisical> 1 more
02:00 <Vanhayes> other than me
02:00 <Mkbkd> clone it )
02:00  * Vanhayes pokes [1]Vanhayes
02:00 <Lackadaisical> hayes are you still interested in high level regular matches?
02:04 <Vanhayes> yes I am
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02:09 <Lackadaisical> because i made a password protected pbwiki but i'm not so sure if we should use it
02:09 <Lackadaisical> and we could just pass the url and pass around
02:09 <Vanhayes> hmm we should find out who is interested
02:09 <Vanhayes> yes
02:09 <Lackadaisical> i know max is
02:09 <Vanhayes> I am surprised how well this tourney has gone
02:09 <Lackadaisical> yeah me too
02:10 <Lackadaisical> there werent too many teams luckily
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02:17 <Vanhayes> grrrr
02:17 <Lucifer_arma> wait, there's an Ady Lucifer server now?
02:18  * Lucifer_arma wonders why madmax|pt says he's stressed
02:18 <Vanhayes> yes, it is the LOD server
02:18 <Vanhayes> he runs it I think
02:18 <madmax|pt> lol
02:19 <madmax|pt> Lucifer_arma maybe cause of this? -> "who? what? still logged in where?  is this on my server?"
02:21 <Vanhayes> hmm
02:21 <Vanhayes> #realchatlogs
02:21 <armabot> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt
02:22 <Vanhayes> #google Mcspiddles
02:22 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.26 seconds: #armagetron @ freenode stats by Guru3: <http://guru3.sytes.net/ircstats/armagetron.html>
02:23 <Lackadaisical> yay that page doesnt say i'm stupid anymore
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02:25 <Vanhayes> ##
02:25 <armabot> Random Fortune:  Q: What does it say on the bottom of Coke cans in North Dakota? || A: Open other end.
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> well, madmax|pt, if you were following what was said, spidey said something really bad happened on my server, then started talking to vanhayes about getting a screenshot of someone being logged in as spectator
02:28 <Lucifer_arma> who was doing something mean
02:29 <Vanhayes> hmm I thought spidey said it was on LOD server
02:30 <madmax|pt> i thought that too....
02:30 <Lackadaisical> spidey>	slucis server just bugged the fuck out
02:30 <Vanhayes> ady luci
02:31 <Vanhayes> it was a ladle match between LOD(ady-Lucifer's clan) and WS
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> <Lucifer_arma> wait, there's an Ady Lucifer server now?
02:31 <Vanhayes> was I kicked from here today?
02:31 <Lucifer_arma> yes, for spamming guru3
02:31 <Vanhayes> ?
02:31 <Vanhayes> when did I do that?
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> Poor Lucifer_arma, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 26 times.
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> For example, like this:
02:32 <Lucifer_arma>      * Lucifer_arma smacks Lucifer_arma
02:32 <Lucifer_arma> probably sometime you hit #spam and laughed abut some random person getting it, and the random person was guru3 :)
02:32 <Vanhayes> or maybe it was when I hit #g
02:32 <Vanhayes> that spammed people too
02:33 <Vanhayes> so does a few other alias'
02:33  * Lucifer_arma considers disabling the alias plugin
02:33 <Vanhayes> #help g
02:33 <armabot> Vanhayes: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo [google calc $*] -- [spam]".
02:33 <Vanhayes> pretty sure that is what happened
02:34 <Vanhayes> #alias add g echo [google calc $*]
02:34 <armabot> Vanhayes: The operation succeeded.
02:34 <Vanhayes> #g 4+4
02:34 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:34 <Vanhayes> ...
02:34 <Vanhayes> #g 484
02:34 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:34 <Vanhayes> er
02:35 <Vanhayes> #g 10*10
02:35 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:35 <Vanhayes> #help g
02:35 <armabot> Vanhayes: (g <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.".
02:40 <Mkbkd> ok we won it BWAHAHA
02:41 <Lackadaisical> #g the answer to life, the universe and everything
02:41 <spidey> O_o
02:41 <armabot> the answer to life, the universe and everything = 42
02:41 <spidey> we lost
02:41 <spidey> but made the finals xD
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02:42 <Mkbkd> 42
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02:42 <Mkbkd> hmm or 36 =_=
02:42 <Lackadaisical> 42!
02:42 <Lackadaisical> google doesnt lie
02:43 <Mkbkd> #g how many ppl live
02:43 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
02:43 <Mkbkd> <_<
02:44 <Vanhayes> #google fight Mkbkd Vanhayes
02:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: Vanhayes: 700, Mkbkd: 85
02:44 <Vanhayes> ...
02:44 <Vanhayes> #google fight Mkbkd Lackadaisical
02:44 <Mkbkd> T+T
02:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: Lackadaisical: 1080000, Mkbkd: 85
02:44 <Mkbkd> T_T
02:44 <Vanhayes> wo
02:44 <madmax|pt> fight with meeee
02:44  * Mkbkd CRY
02:44 <Vanhayes> #google fight madmax|pt Lackadaisical
02:44 <armabot> Vanhayes: madmax|pt: 528000000, Lackadaisical: 1080000
02:44 <Mkbkd> OMG
02:44 <Vanhayes> ahaha
02:44 <madmax|pt> eheheh
02:45 <Mkbkd> #google fight z-man armabot
02:45 <Mkbkd> bwahaha
02:45 <armabot> Mkbkd: z-man: 3070000, armabot: 951
02:45 <Vanhayes> heh
02:46 <Vanhayes> #google armabot
02:46 <armabot> Vanhayes: Search took 0.50 seconds: Knights IRC - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Knights_IRC>; IRC Channel - Armagetron Advanced Wiki: <http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/IRC_Channel>; wrtlprnft - CIA: <http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/wrtlprnft>; Blogger: User Profile: DarkTemplar~AoA Blogger Push -Button ...: <http://www.blogger.com/profile/4272582>; (2 more messages)
02:47 <Lackadaisical> cia?
02:47 <Mkbkd> #google fight God Satan
02:47 <armabot> Mkbkd: God: 674000000, Satan: 42400000
02:47 <Lucifer_arma>  The end of time is reached around the year 8000, by which time we expect Qt to be obsolete.
02:47 <Lackadaisical> #google fight good evil
02:47 <armabot> Lackadaisical: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
02:47 <Mkbkd> haha
02:47 <madmax|pt> the "too many results" issue?
02:48 <Lackadaisical> i guess..
02:48 <Mkbkd> #help
02:48 <armabot> Mkbkd: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
02:51 <madmax|pt> #google fight fraunhofer lame
02:51 <armabot> madmax|pt: lame: 71400000, fraunhofer: 28800000
02:52 <madmax|pt> is it possible to search more than one word on each?
02:52 <spidey> yea
02:53 <madmax|pt> oh nvm
02:53 <madmax|pt> just pvt the bot
02:53 <madmax|pt> :D
02:53 <Vanhayes> Lucifer_arma, um what?
02:53 <spidey> lol
02:53 <madmax|pt> lame encoder wins
02:53 <madmax|pt> lol
02:53 <Mkbkd> #google fight mp3 ogg
02:53 <armabot> Mkbkd: mp3: 1170000000, ogg: 39400000
02:53 <Mkbkd> nowai
02:54 <Lackadaisical> wai
02:54 <Mkbkd> dontwont ><
02:54 <madmax|pt> #google fight mov wmv
02:54 <Mkbkd> ape Rox
02:54 <armabot> madmax|pt: wmv: 46400000, mov: 39100000
02:54 <Lackadaisical> close one
02:54 <Mkbkd> dontwont ><
02:54 <Mkbkd> wops
02:55 <madmax|pt> it sucks not being able to open the last wmv version in VLC =/
02:55 <Lackadaisical> #google fight buy download
02:55 <armabot> Lackadaisical: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
02:56 <Mkbkd> #google fight birth death
02:56 <madmax|pt> #google fight armagetron gltron
02:56 <armabot> Mkbkd: death: 945000000, birth: 469000000
02:56 <armabot> madmax|pt: armagetron: 285000, gltron: 169000
02:56 <madmax|pt> pwn
02:56 <madmax|pt> lol
02:56 <Mkbkd> #google fight pwn own
02:56 <armabot> Mkbkd: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
02:56 <spidey> max > you're gonna die
02:56 <madmax|pt> erm
02:56 <madmax|pt> i am?
02:56 <spidey> yea
02:57 <madmax|pt> well, ok
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02:59 <madmax|pt> #google fight irc messenger
02:59 <armabot> madmax|pt: messenger: 383000000, irc: 197000000
02:59 <Vanhayes_> #google fight me you
02:59 <armabot> Vanhayes_: Error: Unexpected error from Google; please report this to the Supybot developers.
03:00 <Vanhayes_> #ping
03:00 <armabot> pong
03:03 <Vanhayes_> #ping
03:03 <armabot> pong
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03:09 <cusco> dudes
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03:09 <cusco> I was just playing as root
03:09 <cusco> LOL
03:09 <cusco> :/
03:10 <cusco> didn't notice that
03:10 <cusco> only after the control
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03:12 <Lackadaisical> im gonna play leeroy now.. if anyone wants to watch me getting owned
03:12 <madmax|pt> cool
03:12 <madmax|pt> err.. not the own part
03:12 <madmax|pt> prolly a good match :)
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03:19 <luke-jr_> spidey: if Addon Domains worked, it might
03:20 <luke-jr_> #later tell philippeqc you forget the bit that fields will need to have 3D positions, including rotation, in the visual perspective
03:20 <armabot> luke-jr_: The operation succeeded.
03:21 <luke-jr_> #later tell philippeqc I'm thinking particularly that we already have rendering issues with transparency
03:21 <armabot> luke-jr_: The operation succeeded.
03:22 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: sphere is a good idea-- logically implemented simply with speed multipliers and then rendering is left over
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03:29 <Lackadaisical> pfff
03:29 <Lackadaisical> i was twitching so much
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03:30 <madmax|pt> happens
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04:00 <Lucifer_arma> <Lucifer_arma> The end of time is reached around the year 8000, by which time we expect Qt to be obsolete.  <--- from the Qt documentation
04:01 <madmax|pt> Qt?
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> gui widget library, cross-platform, used by KDE
04:01 <Lucifer_arma> it provides native widgets on WIndows and Mac OS X and Motif, but it's own generic implementation under X11, and it's very pretty
04:02 <Lucifer_arma> I'm using it to write my checkbook program, and naturally I need to use the date class, and that statement was in there to tell you the range available to the date class
04:03 <madmax|pt> I guess you'll have to use another one in 8000 then
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05:30 <Vanhayes> #night
05:30 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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06:05 <[NP]Tangent> heh
06:06 <[NP]Tangent> so I started actually playing aa again today
06:06 <[NP]Tangent> it was a goodd day
06:06 <Lucifer_arma> oh yeah?
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06:10 <Lucifer_arma> yay, I've got pretty dialogs with backtraces instead of having to go to the terminal for them :)
06:14 <Your_mom_arma> ?
06:15 <[NP]Tangent> yay, I've tricked out my bzflag map anymore
06:15 <[NP]Tangent> boo, nobody's on my server to play it with me
06:15 <[NP]Tangent> damn lasermania kids
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07:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> morning everyone
07:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #morning
07:45 <armabot> Good Morning [Xpert]DarkStar Random Fortune:  I'm not going to say, "I told you so."
07:45 <Lucifer_arma> morning dorkstar
07:45 <[Xpert]DarkStar> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1&chap=2 << doing this ^^
08:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #fortune
08:07 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: The command "fortune" is available in the Alias and Unix plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "fortune".
08:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #unix fortune
08:07 <armabot> [Xpert]DarkStar: Error: It seems the configured fortune command was not available.
08:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias fortune
08:07 <armabot> Random Fortune:  Q: What does it say on the bottom of Coke cans in North Dakota? || A: Open other end.
08:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> :D
08:07 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias fortune
08:07 <armabot> Random Fortune:  It is much harder to find a job than to keep one.
08:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias fortune
08:08 <armabot> Random Fortune:  BOFH Excuse #348: || We're on Token Ring, and it looks like the token got loose.
08:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias fortune
08:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias fortune
08:08 <armabot> Random Fortune:  BOFH Excuse #86: || Runt packets
08:08 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #alias fortune
08:08 <armabot> Random Fortune:  FORD Tell me Arthur... || ARTHUR Yes? || FORD This boulder we're stuck under, how big would you || say it was? Roughly? || ARTHUR Oh, about the size of Coventry Cathedral. || FORD Do you think we could move it? (Arthur doesn't || reply) Just asking. || - Ford and Arthur in a tricky situation, Fit the Eighth.
08:34 <[NP]Tangent> #alias fortune
08:34 <armabot> Random Fortune:  "`You'd better be prepared for the jump into hyperspace. || It's unpleasently like being drunk.' || `What's so unpleasent about being drunk?' || `You ask a glass of water.'" || - Arthur getting ready for his first jump into hyperspace.
08:35 <[NP]Tangent> #uptime
08:35 <armabot> spidey: 08:35:04 up 71 days, 8:38, 6 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
08:35 <[NP]Tangent> heh
08:35 <[NP]Tangent>  00:35:20 up 1 day,  1:16,  2 users,  load average: 0.73, 1.43, 1.44
09:23 <[Xpert]DarkStar>  09:23:42 up 1 day, 12:36,  2 users,  load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00
09:34 <Lucifer_arma> z-man: heh, I've been working on my budget program all day, didn't get to the release yet.  I guess you noticed...  ;)
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10:07 <CraYSuPeRcOm> hola
10:07 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #hello
10:07 <armabot> Hello CraYSuPeRcOm :)
10:08 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #eightball
10:08 <armabot> CraYSuPeRcOm: Unlikely.
10:08 <CraYSuPeRcOm> anyone out there in the world today
10:08 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #news
10:08 <armabot> CraYSuPeRcOm: News for #armagetron: (#4) Armabot now has a message command; (#9) testbug
10:09 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #9
10:09 <CraYSuPeRcOm> #news 9
10:09 <armabot> CraYSuPeRcOm: bug (Subject: "testbug", added by 3 on 04:14 PM, June 23, 2006)
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10:27 <joda_bot> #morning
10:27 <armabot> Good Morning joda_bot Random Fortune:  QOTD: || "I ain't broke, but I'm badly bent."
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11:28 <philippeqc> hi
11:28 <philippeqc> z-man, do you know of any change in the core engine that would have occured between and now?
11:29 <philippeqc> I made a special map, wich work fine one 0.3+, but crashes
11:29 <philippeqc> I wanted to know how much I should investigate this problem.
11:30 <z-man> philippeqc: I don't know about any changes of significance.
11:30 <z-man> if you send me the map, I can investigate the crash.
11:30 <philippeqc> MAP_FILE    philippeqc/fortress/TheRatRace-0.0.1.aamap.xml 
11:31 <philippeqc> just load it in with 1 bot, and let it all drive. it will reach an error about halfway between the start position and the wall they face
11:31 <philippeqc> I guess it is because only a big triangle space is properly defined, and it start in the bounding box holding the triangle
11:35 <z-man> I'd rather blame the bizarre axes :)
11:35 <z-man> There were a couple of bugs in that make AIs not work with axies where you try to turn left, but really turn right.
11:36 <z-man> And even without AIs, network syncing won't work properly.
11:37 <philippeqc> I'm trying a new map with a small wall in the corner 0,0
11:37 <philippeqc> I'll also try with regular axes
11:42 <philippeqc> it seems to be axes related
11:42 <philippeqc> and IIRC, you fixed some things for axes since
11:43 <z-man> You could try to get the same effect by having two axes defined as you want, and the rest of them (really many) going chico-style around so they're essentially useless.
11:43 <z-man> should get along with that.
11:44 <philippeqc> its a concept map, its not really interesting past the "here is something that can be done" factor.
11:44 <z-man> Ah.
11:44 <wrtlprnft> #morning
11:44 <philippeqc> i wanted to show it up to ed to give him idea, but I only tested it on 0.3 before, and he only has which crashed. Though I should investigate
11:44 <armabot> Good Morning wrtlprnft Random Fortune:  That should probably be written: || no !@#$%^&*:@!semicolon || -- Larry Wall in <199710161841.LAA13208@wall.org>
11:45 <philippeqc> moring
11:45 <wrtlprnft> i fixed some AI crash with all custom axes a while ago
11:46 <wrtlprnft> "fixed", I don't understand the AI code, but I prevented a 0- deref somewhere
11:46 <philippeqc> in which version? past or before?
11:47 <wrtlprnft> that was long ago, but i think i did it in the trunk
11:47 <wrtlprnft> that was somewhere short before methinks
11:47 <philippeqc> k, so it would be fixed there and not in 0.2.8.x
11:47 <wrtlprnft> try disabling AIs?
11:48 <philippeqc> i know this map works in 0.3, but crashes
11:48 <philippeqc> in the ai code
11:48 <wrtlprnft> hmm
11:48 <wrtlprnft> lemme find the fix
11:50 <wrtlprnft> #last --with svn.source
11:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [11:34:01] <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: svn co https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/branches/ ed
11:50 <wrtlprnft> gah
11:50 <wrtlprnft> #last --with viewcvs
11:50 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [10:06:29] <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad/www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases_filter.php?r1=5545&r2=5544&pathrev=5545
11:51 <wrtlprnft> #last --from luke-jr_ --with viewcvs
11:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [09:55:53] <luke-jr_> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad?rev=777&view=rev
11:52 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad?rev=4182&view=rev
11:52 <wrtlprnft> that's the one
11:52 <philippeqc> wrtl: yesterdays' problem was nvidia drivers related. I updated some packages and needed to re-install them.
11:52 <wrtlprnft> ah
11:54 <philippeqc> Nice
11:54 <philippeqc> should we consider this prob as closed?
11:55 <wrtlprnft> which one? the nvidia one or the AI crash one
11:55 <philippeqc> and let weird axis maps be a feature of 0.3
11:55 <philippeqc> not nvidia, AI
11:55 <wrtlprnft> if the crash still happens on 0.2.8 backport the fix
11:56 <wrtlprnft> it should never crash because of axes
11:56 <philippeqc> I made a concept map, show it to ed, it crashed his version (
11:56 <wrtlprnft> uh
11:56 <wrtlprnft> if it's the AI crash it won't crash the client if the server runs a fixed version
11:56 <philippeqc> the map isnt really worth it. It is just a concept one.
11:57 <wrtlprnft> it's a crash, the crash should be fixed
11:57 <wrtlprnft> that was one of the first days i had CVS access, i didn't know i was supposed to fix it on the trunk
11:57 <wrtlprnft> err
11:57 <wrtlprnft> didn't know i was supposed to fix it in the branch
11:58 <philippeqc> lol, wrtlprnft I really dont see it as a problem
11:59 <philippeqc> works fine without any AI.
11:59 <wrtlprnft> then it's probably that crash
12:00 <philippeqc> it is, I followed the segfault ;)
12:00 <philippeqc> (sorry, forgot to mention that)
12:10 <philippeqc> How does one search the commit messages in svn? I'm trying to figure where did z-man fix some of the network message for the axes (I guess it must be trunk)
12:10 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r5559 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gAIBase.cpp:
12:10 <armabot> armagetronad: Backported crashfix, sorry for any merge conflicts this might cause.
12:10 <joda_bot> philippeqc: if you followed it add a bug report to source forge and perhaps add a //TODO Fix fix bug x ?
12:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  r4182 | wrtlprnft | 2006-03-18 17:29:08 +0100 (Sat, 18 Mar 2006) | 3 lines
12:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  Fixed a segfault that occured with custom axes and AIs.
12:10 <armabot> armagetronad:  this is not an optimal solution, but it's better than a crash (the AIs might be more stupid than usual, but I didn't notice anything)
12:11 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: svn log src/tron/gAIBase.cpp | gvim - ;)
12:11 <wrtlprnft> and then i searched for wrtlprnft to find my (few) changes for that file
12:12 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: that will search for the AI bug, not the fix for the network messages z-man might (or not, I'm not sure) have done
12:12 <philippeqc> joda_bot: not sure I understand you.
12:12 <wrtlprnft> then say svn log | gvim -
12:13 <wrtlprnft> and then search for something like "network mess"
12:13 <philippeqc> sheesh! 5555 log entries ;) so much fun
12:13 <philippeqc> I'll do that
12:13 <wrtlprnft> well
12:13 <wrtlprnft> you can pipe it through head -n 1000
12:13 <wrtlprnft> if you aren't interested in old stuff
12:14 <wrtlprnft> and it won't give you 5555 log entries
12:14 <wrtlprnft> far less if you do it on a branch
12:15 <joda_bot> philippeqc: does not matter if it's already fixed ;)
12:15  * joda_bot loves Eclipses SVN GUI ;)
12:16 <philippeqc> 0 hits for "[Aa]x[ie]s" in head -n 1000 :(
12:16 <philippeqc> 1 hit for network
12:16 <wrtlprnft> ksvn is nice, too, but i figured that most dayly things i can do faster on the command line
12:17 <philippeqc> wait, the most recent message is dated 05-29
12:17 <philippeqc> d'oh
12:17 <joda_bot> I can browse the history, get the last editor of a line, and get diffs for a version on click (which I can selectively copy to the current workspace file)
12:22 <philippeqc> z-man have you commited any fix of the network messages for strange axes?
12:23 <wrtlprnft> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:23 <wrtlprnft> r4927 | z-man | 2006-06-17 16:29:33 +0200 (Sat, 17 Jun 2006) | 1 line
12:23 <wrtlprnft> Fixed AI crash when axes have the wrong sense of rotation.
12:24 <wrtlprnft> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
12:24 <wrtlprnft> r4933 | z-man | 2006-06-18 09:29:31 +0200 (Sun, 18 Jun 2006) | 1 line
12:24 <wrtlprnft> Adapted network syncing for anticyclic driving directions.
12:24 <philippeqc> weird!!! 
12:24 <philippeqc> I dont even have those messages
12:24 <wrtlprnft> uh
12:24 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: question is on which branches the fix was made ;)
12:24 <wrtlprnft> svn log src | head -n 1000 | g -
12:25 <wrtlprnft> that was my command in branch 0.2.8
12:25 <wrtlprnft> and it's a while ago, so i assume it's in the trunk now
12:26 <philippeqc> checking in 0.3.0, not finding it there
12:26 <wrtlprnft> no, won't be
12:27 <philippeqc> searching in my big checkout of all branches found it :)
12:27 <wrtlprnft> branch 0.3.0 was started on Wed Jun 14 07:54:29 2006 UTC (2 weeks, 4 days ago)
12:28 <joda_bot> philippeqc: I fixed a log ai crash on branch0.3.0 or trunk (not sure)
12:28 <joda_bot> z-man did the initial fix though
12:28 <philippeqc> ok! it seem yours, z-man and wrtlprnft fixes remove crashes from 0.3.0 as I never experienced it, and tried the map with 3 AI.
12:29  * philippeqc have to learn to read svn log with many branches are involved.
12:29 <wrtlprnft> how long until
12:30 <joda_bot> z-man's fixes have been on 0.2.8 
12:31 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: did the crash with your map disappear now?
12:31 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=4211
12:31 <wrtlprnft> - The score difference criterion for declaring a winner from the bug cries thread (apparently, people consider wins when teams are tied closely a bug). 
12:31 <wrtlprnft> - Adapting the kick statistics for autobans to whole subnets to better handle dynamic IP abusers; If a client comes from a subnet many kicks have been issued against, he'll inherit the kick statistics. He won't be banned right away, but when he gets kicked, he's banned for a while. (Relying on the fact that 80% of griefers on dynamic IP don't know they can change their IP by just logging out and in, or that they don't do that because it would interrupt their filesharing). This is a social bugfix.
12:32 <wrtlprnft> those 2 are still missing AFAIK :(
12:35 <philippeqc> compiling 0.2.8
12:37 <z-man> Yes, those two are missing still. Today is "Death to Lag!" day, so they'll stay undone for a while.
12:37  * z-man tries to make Lagfarm an actually usable server
12:39 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: fixed, thanks for the back port
12:40 <wrtlprnft> .)
12:40 <wrtlprnft> * :)
12:40  * wrtlprnft can't even type a smiley .(
12:41 <philippeqc> cyclop smiley
12:42 <wrtlprnft> ::)
12:42 <philippeqc> ;:)
12:42 <wrtlprnft> ,)
12:42 <philippeqc> :;)
12:42 <philippeqc> double blinking
12:42 <wrtlprnft> cyclop blinking smiley ,)
12:50 <philippeqc> yippy! I've succesfully tried my wacky map on a dedicated server with 3 bots.
13:04 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/philippeqc/fortress/TheRatRace-2.aamap.xml: Resource by philippeqc
13:14 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
13:14 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r5560 /www/beta/trunk/maint-info/README: hm... umask changed on Gentoo?
13:20 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: it must not be fortress ;)
13:20 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: SP mode is too broken for fortress
13:21 <philippeqc>  lol, dont check this one
13:21 <philippeqc> check -0.0.1.aamap.xml
13:21 <luke-jr_> in particular, it spawns enemies as if they were teammates
13:21 <luke-jr_> ...
13:22 <philippeqc> this I made broken to try if the network proto supported weird axes
13:22 <philippeqc> and I found an error with efaces
13:22 <philippeqc> so I wanted to investigate it more
13:23 <luke-jr_> philippeqc: BTW, wrtl's sphere idea is mostly a rendering matter
13:23 <philippeqc> depends on the motion you decide to support on the sphere
13:23 <luke-jr_> to implement its physics, we just need to have a speed multiplier based on how far from the edge of a plane
13:24 <luke-jr_> presuming normal 4 axis anyhow
13:24 <philippeqc> IIRC, there are many "normal 4 axis" for a sphere
13:24 <luke-jr_> but only one when you look at the plane =p
13:25 <luke-jr_> z-man: how was the latency on that vserver a while back?
13:31 <philippeqc> ok, got the bug in a recording ;) 
13:32 <philippeqc> I'll start investigating as soon as I've posted it
13:40 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: your rat race map is fun :D
13:41 <philippeqc> hehe thanks
13:41 <wrtlprnft> oh, yeah, and i do get these warnings too, i talked to z-man about it, he told me to just ignore them
13:41 <philippeqc> hope you'r not taking the #2
13:41 <philippeqc> o ok, thanks for the tips, was ready to invest some time into looking for that prob
13:42 <philippeqc> bbl, a friend is here
13:42 <wrtlprnft> cya
13:42 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: thanks for the account on aabeta
13:46 <spidey> O_o
13:47 <spidey> 3 axis owns
13:47 <wrtlprnft> 3?
13:47 <wrtlprnft> 2 rocks
13:47 <spidey> yes
13:47 <wrtlprnft> look at philippeqcs' map
13:47 <spidey> never played 2
13:47 <wrtlprnft> * philippeqc's
13:47 <spidey> but 3 was awesome
13:48 <wrtlprnft> play 1 axis!
13:49 <wrtlprnft> that's where the fun starts. then you can use the brake button for control
13:49 <spidey> O_o
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13:49 <philippeqc> 2 axis: you can play with a single key. 
13:50 <wrtlprnft> +brake
13:50 <philippeqc> yep
13:50 <spidey> a 3 axis fortress would be fun
13:50 <philippeqc> yes, for a 3 team configuration
13:50 <wrtlprnft> 3 axis- 3 teams :D
13:50 <spidey> it's like zig/zag
13:50 <philippeqc> its very mentally strange, as turning always give you a "backward" direction
13:51 <spidey> actually
13:51 <spidey> if you double bind
13:51 <spidey> like both ways really fast
13:51 <spidey> it's like going a long way then turning back
13:51 <spidey> but there's lines in the middle
13:52 <philippeqc> spidey: MAP_FILE philippeqc/fortress/TheRatRace-0.0.1.aamap.xml 
13:53 <philippeqc> dont forget to disable the AI before you start
13:53 <spidey> lol
13:53 <philippeqc> if you dont have 0.3, the ai will crash your game.
13:53 <spidey> i need to hook the router back up
13:53 <philippeqc> ?
13:53 <spidey> i unplugged it for the ladle cause it makes me lag
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13:54 <wrtlprnft> still lost :P
13:54 <madmax|pt> hello
13:54 <philippeqc> hi
13:54 <wrtlprnft> hi madmax|pt 
13:54 <spidey> lol
13:54 <spidey> wrtlprnft started as a 3person team and made it to the finals :p
13:54  * wrtlprnft didn't start at all
13:55  * wrtlprnft certainly never made it to the finals
13:55  * spidey chokes wrtlprnft 
13:55  * wrtlprnft thinks spidey is weird
13:55 <spidey> lol
14:00 <spidey> argh
14:00 <spidey> stupid burner
14:00 <spidey> software crashes after i get a 500mb mp3 list
14:00 <wrtlprnft> pfft
14:01  * spidey can fit 100+ songs on a cd
14:14 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: o.O;; nothing recent
14:15 <luke-jr_> songs or sound effects?
14:15 <spidey> songs
14:15 <luke-jr_> bs =p
14:16 <spidey> no
14:16 <spidey> i can
14:16 <spidey> on a normal cd
14:16 <spidey> my stereo plays data disks
14:16 <spidey> so i can fit 750mb worth of songs on 1 cd
14:16 <spidey> and listen to it on my stereo
14:17 <spidey> just burn as a data disk and not a audio disk
14:17 <luke-jr_> then why does your burning software care about a MP3 list?
14:17 <spidey> it doesn't
14:17 <spidey> it cares about the size
14:17 <spidey> hence the crash
14:17 <spidey> :p
14:17 <luke-jr_> ...
14:18 <luke-jr_> 500 mb isn't much
14:18 <spidey> yea,but it doesn't think like that,obviously
14:19 <luke-jr_> so use some good software
14:19 <luke-jr_> like k3b
14:19 <spidey> i don't feel like installing another one :/
14:20 <luke-jr_> lazy
14:20 <spidey> atleast not right now
14:20 <spidey> i just woke up :p
14:20 <spidey> Can't establish connection --> ftp.www.fallin-angels.com:21 @ Sun Jul 02 07:20:37 2006   (11004-100)
14:20 <spidey> The requested name is valid and was found in the database, but it does not have the correct associated data being resolved for.  
14:20 <spidey> gaaaaaaaaah
14:21 <luke-jr_> https://shipit.kubuntu.org/
14:21 <luke-jr_> wtf?
14:21 <luke-jr_> um
14:21 <luke-jr_> you do know ftp.www.fallin-angels.com doesn't exist?
14:21 <luke-jr_> just ftp.fallin-angels.com
14:21 <spidey> no
14:21 <spidey> it does
14:21 <spidey> cpanel fucks with the apache config
14:21 <luke-jr_> DNS says it doesn't =p
14:22 <spidey> even my email's admin@www.fallin-angels.com
14:22 <luke-jr_> ...
14:22 <luke-jr_> that's so broken
14:22 <luke-jr_> I'd complain
14:22 <spidey> that's so cpanel
14:24 <luke-jr_> I'd complain
14:24 <luke-jr_> that's so broken
14:24 <spidey> that's so cpanel
14:26  * wrtlprnft hates places where he has to type in www for a http:// adress
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14:29 <armabot>  Executed 'aabetaupdate'
14:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5561 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: Added 0.3.0
14:30 <wrtlprnft> :)
14:31 <z-man> Seems to work :
14:31 <z-man> )
14:31 <wrtlprnft> so what will 0.3.1 have? A formula parser, a new zone concept with moving zones and different behaviours, a few new gauges, what else?
14:31 <z-man> Whatever is ready by the time we want to make it.
14:32 <wrtlprnft> well, my question is, when is the time we want to make it? ;)
14:33 <z-man> I'd be for one release every two or three months.
14:33 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ok
14:33 <wrtlprnft> I'd better hurry if i wanna have this in there )
14:33 <wrtlprnft> * :)
14:34 <z-man> luke-jr_: latency on the vserver was absolutely in the same league as on bugfarm. 30ms of ping measured from the PC bugfarm runs on.
14:35 <wrtlprnft> heh, i love having 50ms of ping on bugfarm now
14:35 <spidey> lol
14:35 <spidey> just don't turn into another zop :p
14:36 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/arma/screenshot_404.png
14:36 <wrtlprnft> look at the ping meter in the upper right corner!
14:36 <spidey> heh
14:37 <wrtlprnft> (i died because of that screenshot)
14:37 <spidey> pwned
14:37  * spidey lags in morning time
14:37 <spidey> i think this rain problem is getting worse
14:37 <wrtlprnft> getting more rain?
14:38 <spidey> no
14:38 <spidey> the dew
14:38 <spidey> in mornings
14:38 <spidey> i think it's starting to make me lag to
14:38 <wrtlprnft> maybe your neighbour is watering his garden?
14:38 <spidey> ummmm
14:38 <spidey> dude
14:38 <spidey> i don't have neighbours....
14:38 <wrtlprnft> hmm
14:39 <spidey> closest person to me is 3/4 mile away
14:39 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: you can try armagetron.nixda.net's server it also runs a vserver
14:39 <spidey> and that's a small store
14:39 <joda_bot> luke-jr_: afaik
14:39 <wrtlprnft> #g 3/4 miles in km
14:39 <armabot> (3/4) miles = 1.207008 kilometers
14:40 <wrtlprnft> #g three quarters of a mine in kilometers
14:40 <armabot> Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
14:40 <wrtlprnft> #g three quarters of a mile in kilometers
14:40 <armabot> (three quarters) of (1 mile) = 1.207008 kilometers
14:40 <wrtlprnft> wow
14:40 <spidey> ?
14:40  * wrtlprnft wants google's formula parser for arma
14:41 <spidey> lol
14:49  * madmax|pt Not Here.
14:52  * wrtlprnft Not Where madmax|pt IS
14:52 <wrtlprnft> *Is
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15:11 <luke-jr_> wrtlprnft: experimental releases don't get feature plans =p
15:11 <luke-jr_> z-man: so latency was good?
15:12 <luke-jr_> joda_bot: I get ~144 ms pings there
15:12 <spider_> lucky
15:12 <luke-jr_> ...
15:12 <spider_>  i het a 160-170 ping 2 days after it rains,lol
15:12 <spider_> get*
15:12 <luke-jr_> 144 ms ping is kinda high
15:13 <spider_> no it's not
15:13 <luke-jr_> to where?
15:13 <spider_> fortress?
15:13 <luke-jr_> what IP is that?
15:13 -!- spider_ is now known as spidey
15:13 <spidey> what ip?
15:13 <luke-jr_> ...
15:13 <spidey> i didn't post a ip...
15:13 <luke-jr_> well, I can't tell you my ping to it w/o an IP =p
15:13 <spidey> what are you talking about?
15:13 <spidey> llol
15:13 <madmax|pt> o_O
15:14  * spidey is confused
15:15 <luke-jr_> ...
15:15 <spidey> max,you know what he's talking about?
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15:16 <luke-jr_> ping <IP>
15:16 <luke-jr_> IP goes there
15:16 <spidey> i ment my ping in fortress
15:16 <spidey> bugfarm
15:16 <spidey> lol
15:17 <luke-jr_>
15:17 <spidey> ?
15:17 <wrtlprnft> pings in arma are usually higher than real pings
15:17 <luke-jr_> boo
15:17 <luke-jr_> it filters pings
15:17 <spidey> lol
15:17 <wrtlprnft> i know
15:17 <luke-jr_> that is SO RFC violating
15:17 <spidey> RFC ?
15:17  * wrtlprnft goes to his router setup
15:17 <luke-jr_> spidey: internet rules
15:17 <wrtlprnft> #wtf is rfc
15:17 <armabot> wrtlprnft: RFC: request for comments
15:17 <spidey> lol
15:17  * wrtlprnft enables "ignore pings on WAN"
15:18 <wrtlprnft> just to annoy luke-jr_ 
15:18 <spidey> i block pings....
15:18 <spidey> icmp is disabled O_o
15:18 <luke-jr_> spidey: that's bad
15:18 <spidey> and it will remain that way too :p
15:18 <luke-jr_> anyone could kick you offline if you block pings
15:18 <luke-jr_> ping is how DHCP checks if an address is in use
15:18 <spidey> i can ping people
15:19 <spidey> but people can't ping me
15:19 <spidey>
15:19 <luke-jr_> but if the DHCP server can't ping you, it will assume you don't exist
15:19 <spidey> my ip
15:19 <luke-jr_> and give anyone who asks for that IP to them
15:19 <luke-jr_> *and give that IP to anyone who asks it for it
15:19 <spidey> first
15:20 <spidey> i live  in tennessee
15:20 <luke-jr_> so?
15:20 <spidey> no one in this area is that smart...if they are they're on dialup anyways
15:20 <luke-jr_> you presume they need to be smart, or even do it intentionally ;)
15:20 <spidey> meh
15:20 <luke-jr_> if they had that IP months ago and haven't logged in since, their system will ask for that same IP again
15:21 <luke-jr_> and since nobody is using it, they will get it
15:21 <luke-jr_> and so long as you ignore pings, you are nobody
15:21 <spidey> i'll remain a nobody :)
15:21 <spidey> haven't had problems 
15:21 <luke-jr_> I hope you do >:O
15:22 <luke-jr_> actually, I wouldn't be surprised if you *did* have problems, and just blamed them on the ISP or ignored them
15:22 <spidey> and i don't have a static ip so it changes anyways
15:22 <luke-jr_> and just restarted the modem or something
15:22 <wrtlprnft> spidey changes his IP every 5 minutes since he gets banned from everywhere anyways
15:22 <luke-jr_> spidey: more likely for a conflict
15:22 <luke-jr_> lol
15:22 <spidey> lol
15:22 <spidey> i haven't changed my ip in a bit tyvm :p
15:23 <spidey> only when i get kicked from fortress for retarded reasons
15:23 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Drashia/fortress/speed_theater-0.1.0.aamap.xml: Resource by Drashia
15:23 <spidey> like not shuffling so zop can doublebind
15:23  * luke-jr_ 's client ignores DOUBLEBIND_TIME :)
15:24 <luke-jr_> j/k, I don't bother since nobody uses it
15:25 <wrtlprnft> spidey: by kicking you they have already archieved what they wanted :S
15:25 <wrtlprnft> an i think it's weird they kick you since there's 2 others that could do the same
15:29 <spidey> well
15:29 <spidey> if i like my spot
15:29 <spidey> and i'm not defending
15:29 <spidey> i'm not giving it up to a doublebinder
15:30 <wrtlprnft> i love the first 3 spots for defending
15:30 <spidey> yea
15:30 <spidey> i like defending from center
15:30 <wrtlprnft> me too
15:30 <spidey> but people say "defending from center is impossible"
15:30 <wrtlprnft> ...
15:30 <spidey> bah,it's best place if you know how
15:30 <wrtlprnft> they just never notice people do it ;)
15:31 <spidey> it can also stop center attacks
15:31 <spidey> if you turn back the right way
15:31 <wrtlprnft> it gives you lotsa speed and gives you time to look what's happening and choose a side to defend first
15:31 <spidey> yea
15:32 <spidey> but with the map i can tell which wing fails
15:32 <wrtlprnft> and if you turn late enough you don't cost your team any speed
15:32 <spidey> then i cut across the zone,seal the part i started on...and restart on that side
15:33 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Drashia/fortress/speedTheater-0.1.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Drashia
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16:45 <G5_Ger> Hi all
16:47 <spidey> hi
17:09 <madmax|pt> hi G5
17:37 <Lackadaisical> sabarai is making the dutch people look like fools on the forums :(
17:39 <wrtlprnft> lol
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17:47 <G5_Ger> max: The trouble with a low ping is eg. during grind start. Im on the outside. On my screen Im the FIRST to break. I go right/left for a while. All seems ok. Then the server tells my client that the guy in front of me also turned. And he has a bad ping, what means that my turn was too late. My bike jumps back to the corner and I'm dead. Wow. What did I do wrong? I say nothing. What should I do in future? Right! I have to react t
17:49 <wrtlprnft> that's ping charity
17:49 <wrtlprnft> watch his lagometer and it won't happen :P
17:50 <wrtlprnft> z-man-home: for the above, would there a way to have a separate ping charity for teammates and enimies?
17:50 <z-man-home> No
17:50 <wrtlprnft> hmm ok
17:50  * wrtlprnft doesn't even know exactly how ping charity works
17:51 <z-man-home> Ping charity modifies the timer, you can either give to everybody or nobody.
17:52 -!- z-man-home is now known as z-man
17:59 <madmax|pt> timer?
17:59 <G5_Ger> I know it is ping charity and I agree ping charity is neccessary to make the game more fair. All I want to say is that it is as hard to play with a very ping as it is with a very low (or the lowest) ping.
18:00 <G5_Ger> Following the lagometer during the fortress start grind would mean not to grind at all. :-)
18:03 <wrtlprnft> low ping is way easier once you get used to having less rubber
18:03 <G5_Ger> z-man: Is the ping charity value the average or is it an offset?
18:04 <madmax|pt> whats the extra rubber formula?
18:05 <spidey> baaaaaaah
18:06  * spidey doesn't like the 4th or before and after
18:06 <spidey> i have to be around people O_o
18:06 <madmax|pt> huh?
18:06 <G5_Ger> Ok,  I admit I have my troubles with low rubber ...
18:07 <spidey> low rubber = the pwn
18:07 <spidey> i can't typw "teh" :/
18:07 <spidey> stupid text correct thingy
18:12 <wrtlprnft> haha
18:17 <wrtlprnft> madmax|pt:             effectiveness *= ( max + player->ping * sg_rubberCyclePing )/max;
18:17 <wrtlprnft> and sg_rubberCyclePing is set to 3 by default, it seems
18:19 <G5_Ger> g2g. Bye
18:19 <wrtlprnft> cya
18:19 <madmax|pt> hmm
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18:20 <wrtlprnft> and max is the rubber
18:21 <wrtlprnft> so with 300 ms of ping and 5 rubber you'd get:
18:21 <wrtlprnft> #g (5 + .3 * 3)/5
18:21 <armabot> (5 + (.3 * 3)) / 5 = 1.18
18:21 <wrtlprnft> 1.18 times your normal rubber
18:21 <wrtlprnft> #g 5 * 1.18
18:21 <armabot> 5 * 1.18 = 5.9
18:22 <wrtlprnft> that makes for a way easier doublebind against a wall at normal speed
18:22 <madmax|pt> thanks, i always wondered how that formula would be
18:22 <wrtlprnft> me too :)
18:22 <wrtlprnft> just fished it out of the code
18:38 <madmax|pt> just noticed there's a XCode project file for the source
18:38 <madmax|pt> cool :)
18:40 <wrtlprnft> no clue if it's up to date
18:52 <spidey> O_o
18:53 <spidey> tron froze o_O
18:54 <wrtlprnft> got a backtrace?
19:00 <spidey> um
19:00 <spidey> i accidently started 2 clients
19:00 <spidey> one minimized and one opened
19:00 <spidey> so i  closed the opened one and started playing on the minimized one
19:01 <spidey> went to "Internet" and it froze
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19:17 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5562 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp: Moved acceleration calculation into core timestep. That's the only way to awoid differences in brake application over the network.
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19:21 <wrtlprnft> i love armabot :)
19:21 <wrtlprnft> as long as it posts good commit messages, that is :(
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5563 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/engine/ePlayer.cpp: (log message trimmed)
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.3.0 from revision 5546 to 5562:
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad:  r5555 | wrtlprnft | 2006-07-01 16:46:59 +0200 (Sat, 01 Jul 2006) | 2 lines
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad:  rebeautified and removed debug output, sorry
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
19:27 <armabot> armagetronad:  r5554 | wrtlprnft | 2006-07-01 16:18:29 +0200 (Sat, 01 Jul 2006) | 3 lines
19:34 <spidey> <spidey> that's obvious
19:34 <spidey> <jpgnode> I think you may be retarded
19:34 <spidey> <spidey> i am
19:34 <spidey> <spidey> i'm in this mental home you see
19:34 <spidey> <spidey> and well...without a computer i go nuts
19:34 <spidey> <spidey> so nuts they can't handle me
19:34 <spidey> <spidey> so they let me use the computer at the front desk
19:40 <spidey> http://www.zone-h.org/content/view/13787/30/
19:41 <spidey> gay
19:41  * spidey slaps the us embassy
19:53 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5564 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/bootstrap.sh: Removed changing of executable bit of install-sh, which is a symlink to a system file (I thought I already did that, twice...)
20:00 <joda_bot> z-man: three branches :-P ... 0.3 trunk and 0.2.8 ;)
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20:14 <Brooky> Hi all
20:16 <joda_bot> hi Brooky
20:25 <madmax|pt> hi Brooky
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20:46 <luke-jr_> bye ph
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5565 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (12 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 5545 to 5563:
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad:  r5562 | z-man | 2006-07-02 19:17:27 +0200 (Sun, 02 Jul 2006) | 1 line
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad:  Moved acceleration calculation into core timestep. That's the only way to awoid differences in brake application over the network.
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
20:49 <armabot> armagetronad:  r5559 | wrtlprnft | 2006-07-02 12:10:39 +0200 (Sun, 02 Jul 2006) | 7 lines
20:51 <wrtlprnft> z-man: hope you had no trouble with that backport
20:51 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5566 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
20:51 <armabot> armagetronad: Added prototypes for lag compensation functions so they can be integrated in the Windows/Mac projects before they're actually used.
20:51 <armabot> armagetronad: Splitted libenginecore.a from libengine.a with the files that use most of the CPU time; they can be compiled with optimizations even if the rest of the code is in debug mode.
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20:52 <z-man> No, it didn't make trouble.
20:52 <wrtlprnft> :)
20:52 <wrtlprnft> i was thinking about removing it from the trunk and then putting it into the branch
20:55 <z-man> No, that would have been a very bad idea :)
20:55 <z-man> SVN usually ignores identical changes, but I don't know what it does if you change something, change it back, then try to merge the change.
20:56 <z-man> (besides, joda and lucifer produced horrible merges in normal operation, a simple backport does not frighten me :) )
20:56 <wrtlprnft> ok :)
20:57 <luke-jr_> z-man: Could you perhaps see about merging MCPAttack to 0.2.8 branch?
20:57 <luke-jr_> last time I tried, I had trouble for some reason
20:57 <z-man> How does the mod work?
20:58 <luke-jr_> oh, it's quite hacking-- it needs to stay outside the tree =p
20:58 <z-man> do you have to activate it with some -D
20:58 <luke-jr_> hackish*
20:58 <luke-jr_> eg, in private
20:58 <z-man> Oh, you want to merge the last changes in 0.2.8 to MCPAttack.
20:58 <luke-jr_> right
20:58 <luke-jr_> well
20:58 <luke-jr_> MCPAttack is based on
20:58 <luke-jr_> the branch
20:59 <z-man> You know what I think about merging from a main development branch to some private branch?
20:59 <z-man> Ekk, is still CVS based :(
21:00 <luke-jr_> ?
21:00 <z-man> That means all the management stuff still assumes it can access CVS. Version generation, ChangeLog...
21:01 <luke-jr_> ah
21:01 <z-man> What was the last revision you merged?
21:01 <z-man> Or didn't you merge at all until now?
21:01 <luke-jr_> r4751 | luke-jr | 2006-06-04 12:24:35 +0000 (Sun, 04 Jun 2006) | 148 lines
21:01 <luke-jr_> Merge up to rev 4747, branch
21:02 <luke-jr_> which IIRC is beyond the last change in branch
21:03 <joda_bot> z-man want me to update branch 0.2. to new code::blocks system ?
21:03 <joda_bot> 0.2.8
21:04 <z-man> No!
21:04 <joda_bot> ok 
21:04 <joda_bot> :)
21:04 <joda_bot> just asking :)
21:04  * luke-jr_ hangs joda_bot 
21:04 <z-man> hehe
21:04  * luke-jr_ undoes all joda_bot's commits
21:04  * joda_bot died  :)
21:04 <luke-jr_> >:p
21:05 <z-man> luke-jr_: could you pass me the filepath to mcp? Too lazy to dig it out :)
21:06 <luke-jr_> private/luke-jr/MCPAttack
21:06 <luke-jr_> I think
21:06 <luke-jr_> https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/private/luke-jr/MCPAttack/armagetronad
21:06 <luke-jr_> minus the last part for build etc
21:07 <wrtlprnft> http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/armagetronad/tools/griddraw/trunk/ <-- what's this?
21:08 <wrtlprnft> smells like plainC- code :(
21:08 <luke-jr_> oh that was fun
21:08 <luke-jr_> it was how I made my earlier maps
21:09 <luke-jr_> it lets me code in cycle movement ;)
21:09 <luke-jr_> it supports output to either gArena code or XML =p
21:10 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:10 <wrtlprnft> can you improve it to a real map editor?
21:10 <luke-jr_> haha
21:10 <luke-jr_> no
21:10 <wrtlprnft> :(
21:10 <luke-jr_> you make maps using C
21:10 <luke-jr_> it's mainly a C library
21:10 <luke-jr_> but without the stuff a real library needs
21:10 <wrtlprnft> o_O
21:10 <luke-jr_> so you do like
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21:10 <luke-jr_> startat(0,0)
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21:11 <luke-jr_> forward(1)
21:11 <luke-jr_> turn(1)
21:11 <luke-jr_> forward(1)
21:11 <wrtlprnft> some thing like KTurtle?
21:11 <wrtlprnft> *something
21:11 <luke-jr_> the power being that you can do for loops =p
21:11 <luke-jr_> for (int i=0; i< 4; ++i)
21:11 <luke-jr_> never heard of it
21:12 <wrtlprnft> if you have kdeedu installed you have it
21:12 <luke-jr_> but basically, I didn't want to calculate my own angles, nor enter the same wall in a different position twice or more
21:12 <luke-jr_> don't think I do
21:13 <luke-jr_> I use KDE from Svn
21:13 <luke-jr_> and only keep a few modules of it
21:13 <wrtlprnft> sec
21:13 <luke-jr_> if I were to write a map maker, it would simply convert PNM or such to a map
21:14 <luke-jr_> or more likely svn
21:14 <luke-jr_> svg*
21:14 <luke-jr_> since I'm not sure how raw image would do spawns ;)
21:19 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr_: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/kturtle.png
21:19 <wrtlprnft> you just need xml output for it :P
21:25 <madmax|pt> jeez, i once "played" with a similar thing in DOS
21:30 <luke-jr_> wow
21:30 <luke-jr_> what practical use does that program have?
21:31 <wrtlprnft> uh, for little kids to learn programming?
21:31 <wrtlprnft> the package it's in is called "kdeedu"...
22:20 <Lucifer_arma> I never could figure out the turtle thing (kturtle is based on a much older program)
22:22 <wrtlprnft> ?
22:22 <wrtlprnft> is that so hard?
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22:32 <Lucifer_arma> no, I mean, when I was a kid trying to play with the turtle, I couldn't figure out how to make it do stuff
22:32 <Lucifer_arma> so I just reset the computer and used basic and keyboard graphics to do the things the program was intended for
22:34 <wrtlprnft> O_o
22:34 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with o_O
22:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [15:34:42] <wrtlprnft> O_o
22:34 <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with O_o
22:34 <armabot> wrtlprnft: [15:35:02] <wrtlprnft> #last --from wrtlprnft --with o_O
22:34 <wrtlprnft> gah case- insensitive :(
22:36 <wrtlprnft> hmm, since armabot was last restarted i used o_O 10 times and O_o 2 times
22:37 <wrtlprnft> looks like i need to use O_o more
22:37 <wrtlprnft> O_o
22:42 <luke-jr_> O_o = 70
22:42 <luke-jr_> o_O = 135
22:42 <luke-jr_> o.o = 684
22:42 <luke-jr_> O.O = 21
22:44 <Brooky> whats with the random stats
22:44 <Brooky> lol
23:09 <wrtlprnft> hmm, my homedir over NFS doesn't seem to cause any serious trouble yet...
23:10 <[Xpert]DarkStar> homedir over nfs 0o
23:11 <wrtlprnft> tho i wonder what will happen when i enable it on my notebook
23:11  * [Xpert]DarkStar remembers trying to do that on 10 mbit lan
23:11 <wrtlprnft> especially what happens if i temporarily leave WLAN area
23:11 <wrtlprnft> well, it's wlan
23:11 <[Xpert]DarkStar> eww
23:12 <wrtlprnft> speed shouldn't be a problem
23:13 <wrtlprnft> i can replace all cache dirs by symlinks somewhere else
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23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> night everyone
23:19 <[Xpert]DarkStar> #night
23:19 <armabot> Good night [Xpert]DarkStar!
23:21 <wrtlprnft> night [Xpert]DarkStar 
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23:24 <Lucifer_arma> I never had a problem using my homedir over nfs
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> even playing video files was fine
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> that's even with a 10mb wlan card on a laptop :)
23:25 <Lucifer_arma> I found the cpu on the server limited the transfer rates more than the network speed
23:29 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r5567 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gAIBase.cpp src/tron/gGame.cpp): Added removed, auto-generated files to ignore list.
23:35 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer_arma: what happens to kde and co if you go out of wlan range for a minute? Do they continue to work until you access something, do they freeze and contunue later, or do they crash?
23:35 <Lucifer_arma> freeze, nfs calls are blocking.  It's disaster.
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> I wouldn't recommend doing it over wlan.  :)  Instead, mount up your homedir as a neutral directory somewhere.
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23:36 <Lucifer_arma> Then you might rsync to it from your laptop's homedir or something like that, I don't know.  I'm curious what you come up with, I'd like to do the same thing here.
23:36 <Lucifer_arma> but I take my laptop out of wlan range quite frequently
23:42 <wrtlprnft> so you aren't using NFS?
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> not now, no
23:42 <Lucifer_arma> this was awhile back, when my server was a 450mhz k6-2
23:43 <wrtlprnft> yeah, if the file list wasn't that huge... a rsync usually takes about 10 minutes just to build the filelist
23:43 <wrtlprnft> that's 6 arma build dirs, 10000 files of opera's mail DB, and some other stuff
23:43 <Lucifer_arma> I want a daemon that runs all the time and watches two directories for changes, so when a change is made, the maximum time for it to propogate is like 100ms
23:43 <wrtlprnft> I'll try sometime, let's see what'll happen
23:44 <wrtlprnft> that would be better in the kernel IMHO
23:44 <wrtlprnft> isn't unionfs supposed to do something like that?
23:44 <Lucifer_arma> whether it would be better there or not, afaik it's not there, and I'm not hacking the kernel :)
23:44  * Lucifer_arma doesn't know anything about unionfs
23:45  * Lucifer_arma is considering writing such a daemon a ways after his budget program is working
23:46 <wrtlprnft> uh, tell me when you have something workable :)
23:46 <Lucifer_arma> could be months :)
23:47 <wrtlprnft> :(
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> see, I've made the database for my budget program a directory tree instead of a flat file, where a transaction is a single file on disk
23:47 <spidey> mmmm
23:47 <Lucifer_arma> accounts are directories with files that describe them, and so forth
23:48 <spidey> didn't i say i might leave mbc if micro raises the rubber high enough for bugs to show again?
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> so I should get multi-user access for free, just have to watch when I save a transaction that already exists that it hasn't been changed
23:48 <Lucifer_arma> but I'd like some way to mirror the database, and more importantly, some way to watch for changes in the database and have them propogate automatically to the gui
23:49 <Brooky> g2g 2 bed guys
23:49 <Brooky> cya
23:49 <wrtlprnft> cya
23:49 <Lucifer_arma> 'night Brooky 
23:49 <Brooky> bye
23:49 <wrtlprnft> isn't that was mysql is for?
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23:50 <Lucifer_arma> yes?  but a personal finance program needs to be self-contained
23:50 <wrtlprnft> tru
23:50 <wrtlprnft> e
23:50 <Lucifer_arma> there may eventually be a mysql backend for it, I don't know, I don't really need it
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> I'm not trying to scale to n users, just to 2 :)
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> and there's a lot of extra database management that nobody does, afaik, and mysql doesn't provide.
23:51 <Lucifer_arma> like what happens if someone breaks into your computer and changes a bunch of stuff?  How do you find out what they did and restore?
23:52 <wrtlprnft> you don't if you don't have a safe backup somewhere else

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