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Log from 2006-05-10:
--- Day changed Wed May 10 2006
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01:32 <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kliper
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05:19 <z-man> #chatlog spider
05:20 <z-man> #last spider http
05:20 <armabot> z-man: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
05:20 <z-man> #more
05:20 <armabot> z-man: --nolimit returns all the messages that can be found. By default, the channel this command is given in is searched.
05:21 <z-man> Eh, don't get it. What link to a bug describing thread di spider give?
05:21 <z-man> #last --with http
05:21 <armabot> z-man: [05:20:42] <z-man> #last spider http
05:21 <z-man> #last --with http --nolimit
05:21 <armabot> z-man: [05:21:37] <z-man> #last --with http, [05:20:42] <z-man> #last spider http, [01:33:03] <Lucifer_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kliper, [21:51:36] <spider> http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/386/picture0010gq.jpg, [21:08:11] <ghableska> http://www.planetside.co.uk/terragen/tgd/gallery/gallerypage.php?item=1&ind=17&group=1, [21:05:30] <wrtlprnft> (3 more messages)
05:21 <z-man> #last --with http --from spider --nolimit
05:21 <armabot> z-man: [21:51:36] <spider> http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/386/picture0010gq.jpg
05:24 <z-man> #last --with http --from spidey --nolimit
05:24 <armabot> z-man: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 645 messages.
05:24 <z-man> that's a short historty, armabot.
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07:19 <wrtlprnft> z-man: it's a thread inside the mbc forums, I'll pick it out
07:40 <wrtlprnft> http://microbuscity.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=6434
07:41 <wrtlprnft> but if you don't have an account, don't bother. those all (except spidey's) seem to be general complaints about 0.2.8.0's look and rubber differences, and we all know that...
07:41 <wrtlprnft> noone there is talking about rc4 <=> final
07:51 <wrtlprnft> z-man: if you want a ling history: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs.txt armabot's history gets reset every time it gets disconnected. And spidey didn't even post and URI since he, as he said, has no interest in getting the problem fixed
07:51 <wrtlprnft> *long
07:55 <z-man> thanks wrtl, no, I won't bother getting an account.
07:56 <wrtlprnft> :)
07:56 <wrtlprnft> maybe spider_ meant another thread, but i couldn't find one
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11:18 <guru3> was it said here?
11:18 <guru3> i've got complete chat logs
11:18 <guru3> for like... ever
11:18 <guru3> what am i looking for?
11:20 <n54> ?
11:21 <guru3> 12:00:06 < z-man> #last --with http --from spidey --nolimit
11:21 <guru3> z-man was looking for something
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11:23 <n54> oh.... bug hunt?
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15:03 <wrtlprnft> guru3: z-man was looking for the thread spider_ mentioned but never cared to link to
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15:19 <guru3> okay
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15:26 <Gnorty> ping
15:35 <guru3> pong
15:35 <guru3> great game
15:47 <Gnorty> kinda slow, and tbh the gameplay could use some work, but if you think it's fun...
15:47 <Gnorty> ping
15:47 <Gnorty> I dont think it will take off
15:48 <Lucifer_arma> #ping
15:48 <armabot> pong
15:48 <Gnorty> hey! this is a 2 player game :|
15:50 <joda_bo1> #pong
15:50 <armabot> pung
15:50 <joda_bo1> #pung
15:50 <armabot> pang
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15:58 <Lucifer_arma> #pang
15:58 <armabot> peng
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> #peng
15:58 <armabot> ping
15:58 <Lucifer_arma> no pyng?
15:59  * Lucifer_arma notes when nobody plays the game, you use AIs instead
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16:00 <wrtlprnft> AIs can't play fortress really well
16:00 <joda_bot> #tell armabot ping
16:00 <armabot> joda_bot: Error: You just told me, why should I tell myself?
16:00 <wrtlprnft> #ping
16:01 <armabot> pong
16:01 <wrtlprnft> #pong
16:01 <armabot> pung
16:01 <wrtlprnft> #pung
16:01 <armabot> pang
16:01 <wrtlprnft> #pang
16:01 <armabot> peng
16:01 <wrtlprnft> #peng
16:01 <armabot> ping
16:01 <joda_bot> #P?ng
16:01 <joda_bot> #p?ng
16:01 <joda_bot> :P
16:01 <joda_bot> #poeng
16:01 <wrtlprnft> no, those don't exist :D
16:13  * n54 just saw this movie on tv and it was entertaining http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0309698/
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16:32 <guru3> my parents watched that a while back
16:33 <n54> hi :)
16:33 <guru3> 8 more exams n54 
16:33 <n54> gah
16:33 <guru3> done 7
16:33 <n54> another full week?
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17:39 <ghableska> hello
17:39 <wrtlprnft> hi :)
17:39 <ghableska> hi wrtl
17:39  * wrtlprnft is frustrated by some weird error that should never happen
17:39 <ghableska> aww
17:41 <wrtlprnft> "Arithmetic Exception"
17:42 <ghableska> mm
17:42  * ghableska has no idea what that is, but feels sorry all the same ;)(
17:42 <wrtlprnft> happens in a library function with totally normal parameters
17:42 <wrtlprnft> heh. I don't excactly know under what condition that happens either
17:43 <Lucifer_arma> 2 more exams for me :)
17:43 <ghableska> sounds fun
17:43 <Lucifer_arma> both tomorrow....
17:43 <wrtlprnft> oh wow
17:43 <ghableska> even better ;)
17:43 <wrtlprnft> well, at least it's over then ;)
17:43 <Lucifer_arma> of course, it's calculus in the morning, then about a 3 hour break, and then history.  So I'm studying calculus right now and tonight, and I'll do my history studying in those 3 hours.  :)
17:44 <wrtlprnft> lol
17:44 <Lucifer_arma> registered for my calc II class already, it starts May 30, it looks like.
17:44 <wrtlprnft> that's a nice chunk of time in between :D
17:45  * Lucifer_arma needs to update his plan to accomodate working in General Chemistry and the physics class he just found out he has to take
17:45  * ghableska is taking physics and chem next year...
17:45 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that chunk of time used to be my texas government class and my stupid theatre class, but I finished both of those classes yesterday.
17:45 <wrtlprnft> hmm. I could offer you a fix for the problem with the screen ratio right now if a) it didn't crash and b) sf CVS would work
17:46 <Lucifer_arma> well, I have to take the physics and chem in the fall, they're prerequisites for other classes and I can't have them bottlenecking me.
17:46 <Lucifer_arma> I already took the chem class, but dropped it when the best I could get out of it was a C.  Big daddy doesn't do Cs.
17:46 <wrtlprnft> don't remind me of physics
17:46 <ghableska> hehe
17:47 <wrtlprnft> the physics class i'm in right now is so boring, not hard or something, it's just going slooow
17:47 <Lucifer_arma> it's kinda annoying that I have to take the algebra-based physics class as a prereq for the calc-based physics.  :(
17:47 <ghableska> aren't they related?
17:47 <wrtlprnft> usually i spend half the time we're given for working with reading and the teaching time sleeping because it's so easy
17:47 <Lucifer_arma> yeah, they are.  I should look on the bright side, it's more algebra drill for me, and I need that.
17:47 <ghableska> lol
17:48 <Lucifer_arma> but more likely the calc-based class is going to reveal why the algebra works, and I can just learn the algebra then, but the school disagrees with me
17:49 <Lucifer_arma> still, I'll take the good with the bad.  It's going to upset my plan enough to force me into another semester at community college, which means I can take an extra class that I had originally put off for the 4 year school,
17:49 <wrtlprnft> always important to know why something works
17:49 <Lucifer_arma> and that results in saving money.  :)
17:49 <ghableska> always good
17:49 <wrtlprnft> that's one of the reasons why this physics class is so boring
17:50 <Lucifer_arma> otoh, it's also more money spent, because of the extra class.  Heh.
17:50 <wrtlprnft> it's just, "here's the formula and you'll get on the test". heck, if i am given the formula on the test why am i even in class? I could just go to the test and read and apply it
17:51 <Lucifer_arma> I hated high school, man.  As much as I hate memorizing formulas, I like that I have to.
17:51 <ghableska> uh oh
17:51 <ghableska> well, 9th grade wasn
17:51 <Lucifer_arma> also, it's almost a certainty that this particular physics class will go very quickly.  It's a semester, and the material will be equal to or greater the amount of material given in a year's high school physics class
17:51 <ghableska> *wasn't too bad 
17:51 <wrtlprnft> If i know that the formula is on the test I won't learn it and never remember it anytime after the test
17:52 <ghableska> so far at least
17:52  * Lucifer_arma is still riding the buzz from his last calc test :)
17:52 <ghableska> :)
17:52 <Lucifer_arma> I'm on top of the world!
17:52 <Lucifer_arma> heh
17:52 <wrtlprnft> The intersting question is: "how do i derive the formula from more basic ones?". then I can just re-derive it when needed in case i forgot it
18:02 <Lucifer_arma> A more interesting question is, "Should I start dishes right now and then take a dump, or take a dump and then start dishes?"
18:03 <ghableska> latter
18:03 <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking you're right
18:03 <ghableska> :)
18:06 <n54> yeah definetly option number 2
18:06 <ghableska> hehe
18:06 <n54> :)
18:06 <ghableska> headache gone?
18:06 <n54> yeah sort of :)
18:06 <n54> at least it's "hidign" :)
18:06 <n54> hiding*
18:07 <ghableska> hehe
18:07 <n54> :)
18:08 <ghableska> so...
18:09 <n54> hmm...
18:13  * n54 kicks a can
18:13 <ghableska> heh
18:13 <n54> :)
18:20 <ghableska> mm
18:20 <ghableska> #f
18:20 <armabot> Random Fortune:  Madness has no purpose. Or reason. But it may have a goal. || -- Spock, "The Alternative Factor", stardate 3088.7
18:20 <ghableska> lol
18:21 <n54> :)
18:21 <ghableska> how are you?
18:22 <n54> me?
18:22 <wrtlprnft> what the heck is happening with arma here? At one point I change the value of some variable, and the next time it gets used it is back at the old one...
18:22 <ghableska> lol wow.... http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/
18:24 <n54> gah that site is a pain to read though :S
18:24 <ghableska> yeah
18:24 <ghableska> ads everywhere...
18:25 <n54> yup
18:27 <wrtlprnft> i dont see any ads
18:27 <ghableska> ?
18:27 <ghableska> hmmm
18:28 <n54> the ads are one thing the other is that each page content is tiny
18:29 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/noads.png
18:29 <wrtlprnft> new application for kruler :D
18:30 <ghableska> nice
18:30 <wrtlprnft> I should have made them all different colors :D
18:31 <n54> I thought the article was a joke at first but it isn't is it?
18:31 <ghableska> i got the link from slashdot...
18:32 <n54> hmm that makes me dubious again ;)
18:32 <ghableska> ;)
18:35 <n54> I skipped to the last page and I've got to say I wonder what the deal is with drilling into the cpu...
18:35 <ghableska> hehehe
18:36 <ghableska> anyone heard of Spore?
18:37 <n54> nope
18:38 <ghableska> http://www.gamespy.com/articles/595/595975p1.html if you haven't searched for it already...
18:38 <ghableska> it really starts talking about it on the second page though...
18:39 <n54> ah ok I' still stuck on the drilling into cpu's stuff :)
18:39 <ghableska> hehehe
18:41 <wrtlprnft> OUCH
18:41 <wrtlprnft> now i see why it changed...
18:41 <ghableska> ?
18:41 <wrtlprnft> grr what a stupid bug
18:41 <ghableska> ?
18:43 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: I'll make that DTD this week, hopefully
18:43 <wrtlprnft> :)
18:43  * ghableska feels stupid
18:43 <ghableska> i forgot about the tab name filler...
18:43 <ghableska> until now.
18:43 <ghableska> :X
18:43 <n54> oh I read about that spore game in wired, they had something on that
18:44 <ghableska> sounds interesting..
18:44 <wrtlprnft> ghableska: guess where i got the idea for arma from?
18:44 <ghableska> ?
18:44 <ghableska> the tab thing?
18:45 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:45 <n54> yes ghableska
18:45 <ghableska> ok, where...?
18:45  * n54 emant the game
18:45 <wrtlprnft> i got it from irc ghableska ghableska from irc i got it ghableska 
18:46 <wrtlprnft> :D
18:46 <ghableska> creative... :P
18:46  * wrtlprnft is going crazy
18:46  * ghableska can tell
18:48  * ghableska wants terragen 2
18:48 <ghableska> :D:D:D:D:D:D
18:49 <wrtlprnft> why can't you get it?
18:49 <ghableska> not out yet :P
18:49 <wrtlprnft> #g 1024/768+1
18:49 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (1,024 / 768) + 1 = 2.33333333
18:50 <ghableska> aspect ratio?
18:50 <wrtlprnft> yes
18:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 3/4
18:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 3 / 4 = 0.75
18:51 <wrtlprnft> oh, really?
18:51 <wrtlprnft> #g 3/4+1
18:51 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (3 / 4) + 1 = 1.75
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18:59 <wrtlprnft> phew... fixed it now
18:59 <wrtlprnft> now i just need a working CVS and Lucifer_arma to test it
18:59 <wrtlprnft> i have no idea how to convince to use another screen ratio than 4:3
18:59 <wrtlprnft> *convince arma
19:00 <Lucifer_arma> hack the window sizes array and add a different ratio to it
19:00 <Lucifer_arma> I forget where it is, though.  sorry.  :(
19:00 <n54> hehe someone at the obsd channel posted this: http://mfrost.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/gracem.jpg
19:01 <wrtlprnft> heh. the openbsd guys seem to be exactly as offtopic as we are
19:01 <n54> they're about x64 times loonier for the most part (not a sane soul in sight there) XD
19:02 <n54> and they have a penchant for insult :)
19:02 <wrtlprnft> luckily they have you :D
19:04 <n54> that reply is somehow in the right direction but they/we usually take it further than that ;)
19:10 <n54> wrtlprnft: seems your wish sort of came true or is beginning to come true; http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/05/10/0439246.shtml
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19:21 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft:
19:21 <Self_Destructo> <!ATTLIST Message
19:21 <Self_Destructo> 		type (center | console | admin | cockpit)
19:21 <Self_Destructo> think you will be able to support the cockpit one?
20:03 <wrtlprnft> Self_Destructo: kinda hard since it needs extra cockpit code
20:04 <wrtlprnft> I need to revise the cockit DTD btw :S
20:04 <wrtlprnft> it's kinda repetive right now
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20:19 <wrtlprnft> yay figured out how <!ENTITY> works :D
20:22 <n54> :)
20:22 <wrtlprnft> by reverse engineering the XHTML 1.0 strict DTD :D
20:24 <n54> this site although not especially deep is a nice place for quick lookups (especially if you've forgotten something you used to know): http://www.w3schools.com/dtd/dtd_entities.asp
20:25 <n54> it's got the same for html, css, xml & probably some other stuff too *doesn't remember*
20:26 <wrtlprnft> DTDs and XML aren't easy to separate :D
20:26 <n54> yeah it can be a hassle
20:27 <wrtlprnft> but i didn't know that all those &auml; things are <!ENTITIES>
20:27 <n54> at least to my experience most people who come from a html background find it that way in the start
20:27 <wrtlprnft> although they're called entities, of course...
20:28 <n54> another quickie might be to as SD since xml etc. is his thing
20:29 <wrtlprnft> well, the DTD was working, I just had lotsa repeated stuff and it was a pain to edit
20:29 <n54> since he learnt xml etc. before html I mean
20:29 <n54> yeah I got you on that :)
20:31 <n54> if I thought I could be counted on to produce anything within a reasonable timeframe I would assist
20:31 <wrtlprnft> Get CVS HEAD running :D
20:32 <n54> haha, no :)
20:32 <wrtlprnft> i'm sure Self_Destructo can tell you excactly how to do that :D
20:32 <wrtlprnft> -c
20:32 <wrtlprnft> shouldn't take too ling
20:32 <wrtlprnft> *long
20:32  * wrtlprnft kicks his keyboard
20:33 <n54> sorry but it's not an option for me, I can barely get through the days as it is :)
20:33 <n54> hopefully in the future :D
20:34 <wrtlprnft> :)
20:34 <n54> perhaps within the next five years I'll manage to cough up a font or two :) (I won't aim higher than that)
20:36 <wrtlprnft> lol
20:36 <n54> hehe and if I look at my past trackrecord the last three years even that may be stretching it ;)
20:36 <n54> or pushing :)
20:51 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: upload script for resources doesn't work
20:51  * wrtlprnft screws the central script and uploads the map to his own server
20:52 <Luke-Jr> wrtlprnft: so detailed... o.o
20:52 <wrtlprnft> well, it throws an internal server error
20:52  * Luke-Jr smacks Apache for being undetailed
20:52 <wrtlprnft> i assumed you could figure it out from the error log ;)
20:53 <Luke-Jr> probably relevant that over the past day and next few, I'm actually upgrading stuff
20:53 <Luke-Jr> [Thu May 11 01:51:42 2006] [error] [client 24.77.247.253] /usr/bin/php-cgi: error while loading shared libraries: libmysqlclient.so.12: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
20:54 <wrtlprnft> uh
20:54 <wrtlprnft> that script uses mysql?
20:55 <Luke-Jr> no
20:55 <Luke-Jr> but dynamic linking of php-cgi fails
20:55 <wrtlprnft> well... I'll still use my own repository :D
20:55 <Luke-Jr> and that script uses CGI for setuid
20:56 <Luke-Jr> I suspect if I restart Apache now I'll have problems
20:56 <Luke-Jr> boo
20:57 <Luke-Jr> oh well, I don't expect php will be done recompiling before I leave-- so hopefully it will fix tiself
21:05 <wrtlprnft> anyone up to join crazy lines so i can see if it works right?
21:05 <wrtlprnft> (arma server)
21:05 <Luke-Jr> nope, no time
21:10 <wrtlprnft> it'll be a fine surprise for everyone who joins until it's fixed :d
21:11 <wrtlprnft> it renames everyone to Player 1, gives them a boring default tail color and lets them say "/me is a noob." every round
21:11  * Lucifer_arma notices the prominent announcement that indictes the central repository is down and servers depending on it may not work
21:11 <wrtlprnft> it's up, you just can't upload new maps
21:11 <Lucifer_arma> ah, ok.
21:56 <Self_Destructo> wrtlprnft: it can be there, and implemented as we got I guess.
21:56 <Self_Destructo> go*
21:56 <Self_Destructo> I could have told you how entities work, btw
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21:57 <wrtlprnft> what the...
21:57 <wrtlprnft> IRSSI seemingly just froze for half an hour
21:57 <n54> strange
21:58 <wrtlprnft> probably i pressed CTRL-Z or something
21:58 <wrtlprnft> hmm, no, no effect
21:59 <wrtlprnft> Luke-Jr: ok, works now. I'll still use my personal repository though, the server is already configured :D
22:00 <wrtlprnft> not ANOTHER kernel release
22:00 <wrtlprnft> do they come in 12- hour tacts now?
22:00 <n54> hehe
22:00 <wrtlprnft> especially since those kernel logs don't tell me anything
22:01 <wrtlprnft> no idea if that's a serious security hole or just a possible crash in some exotic driver
22:03 <wrtlprnft> anyways
22:04 <wrtlprnft> #night
22:04 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
22:04 <n54> cya all I'm leaving too
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