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[2024-03-08 00:30:57] <Lucifer_arma> I didn't like any of that "alternative" crap. As Anthrax put it: Alternative to what?
[2024-03-08 00:30:58] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I didn't like any of that "alternative" crap. As Anthrax put it: Alternative to what?
[2024-03-08 00:31:37] <Lucifer_arma> Metal all the way. Metal was the original "alternative" and just when it was getting popular, this other type of music comes in out of nowhere to claim their title
[2024-03-08 00:31:38] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Metal all the way. Metal was the original "alternative" and just when it was getting popular, this other type of music comes in out of nowhere to claim their title
[2024-03-08 00:32:08] <Lucifer_arma> like, if Nirvana hadn't hit it, thrash would have dominated the 90s. But nooooo. Record labels were still too chickenshit to go for thrash, and Metallica recorded *that* album
[2024-03-08 00:32:08] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| like, if Nirvana hadn't hit it, thrash would have dominated the 90s. But nooooo. Record labels were still too chickenshit to go for thrash, and Metallica recorded *that* album
[2024-03-08 00:33:07] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Never really bothered with titleisms. I enjoy music, be it lady gaga or satyricon
[2024-03-08 00:33:08] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Never really bothered with titleisms. I enjoy music, be it lady gaga or satyricon
[2024-03-08 00:33:25] <Lucifer_arma> now grunge is classified as a form of metal, just because they use heavy bass mixed guitars. But it's identical to 70s rock. It's unbelievable. They brought nothing new to the field. All the lyrics about pain and shit, metal had been doing for 20 years already
[2024-03-08 00:33:25] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| now grunge is classified as a form of metal, just because they use heavy bass mixed guitars. But it's identical to 70s rock. It's unbelievable. They brought nothing new to the field. All the lyrics about pain and shit, metal had been doing for 20 years already
[2024-03-08 00:33:32] <Lucifer_arma> heavy fuzzy guitars; already done
[2024-03-08 00:33:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| heavy fuzzy guitars; already done
[2024-03-08 00:34:01] <Lucifer_arma> but they structured their songs and used chord voicings from the 70s, which metal didn't do, and that meant they were allowed to be mainstream
[2024-03-08 00:34:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but they structured their songs and used chord voicings from the 70s, which metal didn't do, and that meant they were allowed to be mainstream
[2024-03-08 00:34:30] <Lucifer_arma> God, the chord snobs. I'd sit in a guitar store and play a really complicated riff, and somebody would dismiss it because power chords
[2024-03-08 00:34:30] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| God, the chord snobs. I'd sit in a guitar store and play a really complicated riff, and somebody would dismiss it because power chords
[2024-03-08 00:34:43] <Lucifer_arma> Fuck off, dude. You can't play that. I can play your song, you can't play mine.
[2024-03-08 00:34:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Fuck off, dude. You can't play that. I can play your song, you can't play mine.
[2024-03-08 00:35:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| meh. Whether it be Tool or Rammstein idc. If I like it I like it
[2024-03-08 00:35:28] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| meh. Whether it be Tool or Rammstein idc. If I like it I like it
[2024-03-08 00:35:49] <Lucifer_arma> I heard that hundreds of times throughout the 90s, all from people dissing metal
[2024-03-08 00:35:50] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I heard that hundreds of times throughout the 90s, all from people dissing metal
[2024-03-08 00:36:22] <Lucifer_arma> How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is a groundbreaking song, and I'd argue that without it, Nirvana wouldn't have had a foot to stand on.
[2024-03-08 00:36:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| How Will I Laugh Tomorrow is a groundbreaking song, and I'd argue that without it, Nirvana wouldn't have had a foot to stand on.
[2024-03-08 00:36:51] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| Doesn't care for nirvana either lol
[2024-03-08 00:36:51] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:Grimm| Doesn't care for nirvana either lol
[2024-03-08 00:37:14] <Lucifer_arma> Other songs before it had discussed depression, but How Will I Laugh Tomorrow really got at it and discussed it seriously. And as a power ballad, it got at the very real feelings
[2024-03-08 00:37:14] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Other songs before it had discussed depression, but How Will I Laugh Tomorrow really got at it and discussed it seriously. And as a power ballad, it got at the very real feelings
[2024-03-08 00:37:48] <Lucifer_arma> But instead people were like "Do you have the time to listen to me whine about everything and anything at all"
[2024-03-08 00:37:48] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| But instead people were like "Do you have the time to listen to me whine about everything and anything at all"
[2024-03-08 00:38:04] <Lucifer_arma> Gawd that's a stupid song. I hate it, but I can't hate it it's so catchy
[2024-03-08 00:38:04] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Gawd that's a stupid song. I hate it, but I can't hate it it's so catchy
[2024-03-08 00:38:19] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Doesn't have to be new to be influential. Animals done did an arrangement of a three hundred year old folk song about a japanese casino and got themselves into the pinnacle of music history
[2024-03-08 00:38:19] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Doesn't have to be new to be influential. Animals done did an arrangement of a three hundred year old folk song about a japanese casino and got themselves into the pinnacle of music history
[2024-03-08 00:38:34] <Lucifer_arma> But Overkill actually explored depression and suicide seriously, in like 1988
[2024-03-08 00:38:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| But Overkill actually explored depression and suicide seriously, in like 1988
[2024-03-08 00:38:46] <Lucifer_arma> But PEarl Jam does Jeremy and holy shit people went crazy
[2024-03-08 00:38:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| But PEarl Jam does Jeremy and holy shit people went crazy
[2024-03-08 00:39:38] <Lucifer_arma> the fact is, metal laid the foundation that grunge capitalized. Grunge didn't offer anything new in any way, shape, or form. They just leaped opportunistically onto the foundation paintstakingly laid by metal bands.
[2024-03-08 00:39:38] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the fact is, metal laid the foundation that grunge capitalized. Grunge didn't offer anything new in any way, shape, or form. They just leaped opportunistically onto the foundation paintstakingly laid by metal bands.
[2024-03-08 00:40:24] <Lucifer_arma> Without Master of Puppets or How will I laugh Tomorrow or Horrorscope or Among the LIving, grunge wouldn't have had a foot to stand on
[2024-03-08 00:40:25] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Without Master of Puppets or How will I laugh Tomorrow or Horrorscope or Among the LIving, grunge wouldn't have had a foot to stand on
[2024-03-08 00:40:59] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| various forms of metal are derivative of nwobhm, and in turn derivative of rock, in turn derivative of rock and roll, and the list goes on
[2024-03-08 00:40:59] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| various forms of metal are derivative of nwobhm, and in turn derivative of rock, in turn derivative of rock and roll, and the list goes on
[2024-03-08 00:41:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| Rock is from the blues
[2024-03-08 00:41:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:Grimm| Rock is from the blues
[2024-03-08 00:41:32] <Lucifer_arma> I get that people build on what came before, and that's fine. Remove NWOBHM from that list, though, since the M is for metal.
[2024-03-08 00:41:33] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I get that people build on what came before, and that's fine. Remove NWOBHM from that list, though, since the M is for metal.
[2024-03-08 00:41:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ya blues falls in the list somewhere
[2024-03-08 00:41:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ya blues falls in the list somewhere
[2024-03-08 00:41:40] <Lucifer_arma> I don't object to people building on what came before them.
[2024-03-08 00:41:40] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I don't object to people building on what came before them.
[2024-03-08 00:41:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| uh
[2024-03-08 00:41:41] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| uh
[2024-03-08 00:41:51] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:Grimm| And I think I'm good on this rant lol
[2024-03-08 00:41:51] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:Grimm| And I think I'm good on this rant lol
[2024-03-08 00:41:52] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| nwobhm == new wave of british heavy metal
[2024-03-08 00:41:52] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| nwobhm == new wave of british heavy metal
[2024-03-08 00:41:55] <Lucifer_arma> I object to people jumping in opportunistically to an opportunity created by someone else
[2024-03-08 00:41:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I object to people jumping in opportunistically to an opportunity created by someone else
[2024-03-08 00:42:16] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, you literally just agreed that MWOBHM is metal
[2024-03-08 00:42:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| yeah, you literally just agreed that MWOBHM is metal
[2024-03-08 00:42:32] <Lucifer_arma> Iron Maiden, then oddly Def Leppard, and Judas Priest
[2024-03-08 00:42:33] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Iron Maiden, then oddly Def Leppard, and Judas Priest
[2024-03-08 00:43:21] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, nwobhm is the inspiration for thos fancy forms of metal of the eighties, so I reckon it desrves a mention
[2024-03-08 00:43:22] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, nwobhm is the inspiration for thos fancy forms of metal of the eighties, so I reckon it desrves a mention
[2024-03-08 00:43:23] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway
[2024-03-08 00:43:23] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway
[2024-03-08 00:43:25] <Lucifer_arma> I think it goes back to the grammies where Metallica was expected to win for One, and the grammy was given to Jethro Tull for an acoustic record
[2024-03-08 00:43:25] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think it goes back to the grammies where Metallica was expected to win for One, and the grammy was given to Jethro Tull for an acoustic record
[2024-03-08 00:43:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| you could argue that a lot of niche musical styles are expansions of niches created by previous artists
[2024-03-08 00:43:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| you could argue that a lot of niche musical styles are expansions of niches created by previous artists
[2024-03-08 00:44:02] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| norma jean and chimaira are very good examples of this
[2024-03-08 00:44:02] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| norma jean and chimaira are very good examples of this
[2024-03-08 00:44:04] <Lucifer_arma> this isn't the same. Grunge developed from 70s rock. IT doesn't have a connection to metal at all, not even NWOBHM
[2024-03-08 00:44:04] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| this isn't the same. Grunge developed from 70s rock. IT doesn't have a connection to metal at all, not even NWOBHM
[2024-03-08 00:44:21] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| sure, but there's plenty of offshoots like that
[2024-03-08 00:44:21] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| sure, but there's plenty of offshoots like that
[2024-03-08 00:44:42] <Lucifer_arma> I think you're not seeing the point. Let's do some math
[2024-03-08 00:44:43] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I think you're not seeing the point. Let's do some math
[2024-03-08 00:44:47] <Lucifer_arma> A spawns B and C
[2024-03-08 00:44:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| A spawns B and C
[2024-03-08 00:44:54] <Lucifer_arma> B does some work, and spawns D
[2024-03-08 00:44:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| B does some work, and spawns D
[2024-03-08 00:45:01] <Lucifer_arma> C does work and spawns E and F
[2024-03-08 00:45:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| C does work and spawns E and F
[2024-03-08 00:45:10] <Lucifer_arma> D does some work and created something new
[2024-03-08 00:45:10] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| D does some work and created something new
[2024-03-08 00:45:22] <Lucifer_arma> E and F both spawn G, which moves into the niche created by D
[2024-03-08 00:45:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| E and F both spawn G, which moves into the niche created by D
[2024-03-08 00:45:47] <Lucifer_arma> G has no connection to D, and E and F have no connection to D
[2024-03-08 00:45:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| G has no connection to D, and E and F have no connection to D
[2024-03-08 00:46:09] <Lucifer_arma> you'd expect D's descendants to do something, but they got nowhere, because someone else stepped into the niche
[2024-03-08 00:46:09] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| you'd expect D's descendants to do something, but they got nowhere, because someone else stepped into the niche
[2024-03-08 00:46:51] <Lucifer_arma> so H comes along and there used to be an audience for them, but it got usurped
[2024-03-08 00:46:51] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so H comes along and there used to be an audience for them, but it got usurped
[2024-03-08 00:47:04] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| what would you classify the sonics as?
[2024-03-08 00:47:04] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| what would you classify the sonics as?
[2024-03-08 00:47:26] <Lucifer_arma> what do you mean? What are "the sonics"?
[2024-03-08 00:47:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| what do you mean? What are "the sonics"?
[2024-03-08 00:47:40] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| garage/proto-grunge band from the 60's
[2024-03-08 00:47:40] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| garage/proto-grunge band from the 60's
[2024-03-08 00:48:15] <Lucifer_arma> Obviously I can't classify them because I've never heard of them. But if they were from the 60s, they're going to be hard to classify
[2024-03-08 00:48:15] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Obviously I can't classify them because I've never heard of them. But if they were from the 60s, they're going to be hard to classify
[2024-03-08 00:48:30] <Lucifer_arma> but calling them proto-grunge is silly, since grunge is just classic rock with a metal mix
[2024-03-08 00:48:30] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| but calling them proto-grunge is silly, since grunge is just classic rock with a metal mix
[2024-03-08 00:49:39] <Lucifer_arma> and I've done this myself on my own guitar. I can play neil young, I saw him in concert even. If I play him in classic rock mix, I sound like a classic rock player. If I scoop the mids like the metalhead I am, I sound like a grunge band
[2024-03-08 00:49:40] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| and I've done this myself on my own guitar. I can play neil young, I saw him in concert even. If I play him in classic rock mix, I sound like a classic rock player. If I scoop the mids like the metalhead I am, I sound like a grunge band
[2024-03-08 00:49:47] <Lucifer_arma> it's the same exact music
[2024-03-08 00:49:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's the same exact music
[2024-03-08 00:50:03] <Lucifer_arma> Grunge is classic rock with scooped mids
[2024-03-08 00:50:03] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Grunge is classic rock with scooped mids
[2024-03-08 00:50:36] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| point is, I don't think grunge is necessarily a genre or a subculture that really stepped into anything, because it existed as a tangent genre for a good while before the likes fo Nirvana etc. Even Green River were around in the early 80's. They garnered mianstream success, perhaps, at the expense of other genre structures, but I don't think its fair to say that grunge destroyed any other genre
[2024-03-08 00:50:36] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| point is, I don't think grunge is necessarily a genre or a subculture that really stepped into anything, because it existed as a tangent genre for a good while before the likes fo Nirvana etc. Even Green River were around in the early 80's. They garnered mianstream success, perhaps, at the expense of other genre structures, but I don't think its fair to say that grunge destroyed any other genre
[2024-03-08 00:50:45] <Lucifer_arma> the song is Keep on Rockin' in the Free world, which he famously played WITH Pearl Jam
[2024-03-08 00:50:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the song is Keep on Rockin' in the Free world, which he famously played WITH Pearl Jam
[2024-03-08 00:51:25] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| bear in mind, thats around the same time as the beach boys are doing barbara ann
[2024-03-08 00:51:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| bear in mind, thats around the same time as the beach boys are doing barbara ann
[2024-03-08 00:51:27] <Lucifer_arma> You can think whatever you want, but I was there when this happened. Grunge literally stepped into the space that metal made
[2024-03-08 00:51:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| You can think whatever you want, but I was there when this happened. Grunge literally stepped into the space that metal made
[2024-03-08 00:51:45] <Lucifer_arma> I don't need a 30 yo telling me about the 90s.
[2024-03-08 00:51:45] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I don't need a 30 yo telling me about the 90s.
[2024-03-08 00:52:53] <Lucifer_arma> I lived through the music history period we're discussing. I saw the charts, I heard the radio, I fucking watched Beavis and Butthead, not in reruns
[2024-03-08 00:52:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I lived through the music history period we're discussing. I saw the charts, I heard the radio, I fucking watched Beavis and Butthead, not in reruns
[2024-03-08 00:53:37] <Lucifer_arma> When I got into metal, ...ANd Justice for All was Metallica's newest album.
[2024-03-08 00:53:37] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| When I got into metal, ...ANd Justice for All was Metallica's newest album.
[2024-03-08 00:54:08] <Lucifer_arma> I was someone who impatiently waited for the black album, and was subsequently disappointed. This happened in real time for me.
[2024-03-08 00:54:08] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I was someone who impatiently waited for the black album, and was subsequently disappointed. This happened in real time for me.
[2024-03-08 00:54:36] <Lucifer_arma> I saw Alice in Chains with Man in the Box on MTV play right next to Slayer Seaons in the Abyss
[2024-03-08 00:54:36] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I saw Alice in Chains with Man in the Box on MTV play right next to Slayer Seaons in the Abyss
[2024-03-08 00:55:32] <Lucifer_arma> Barbara Ann was old. The newest beach boys song was the vacation song, I'm not remembering it exactly right now
[2024-03-08 00:55:32] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Barbara Ann was old. The newest beach boys song was the vacation song, I'm not remembering it exactly right now
[2024-03-08 00:55:45] <Lucifer_arma> The Brian Wilson debate had been ongoing for awhile
[2024-03-08 00:55:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| The Brian Wilson debate had been ongoing for awhile
[2024-03-08 00:56:04] <Lucifer_arma> Kokomo
[2024-03-08 00:56:05] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Kokomo
[2024-03-08 00:56:17] <Lucifer_arma> that was the newest beach boys release
[2024-03-08 00:56:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| that was the newest beach boys release
[2024-03-08 00:56:20] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I can't say I relied on the radio for any of my music, it was all unncecessarily cheerful boppy shite until around the mid-00's when the likes of hard-fi and the arctic monkeys got radio time.
[2024-03-08 00:56:20] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I can't say I relied on the radio for any of my music, it was all unncecessarily cheerful boppy shite until around the mid-00's when the likes of hard-fi and the arctic monkeys got radio time.
[2024-03-08 00:56:21] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| In any case, the music scene today is so collossally varied I don't think it necessarily changes anything. There are bands doing music just for the youtube or bandcamp revenue, bands that have never been signed and yet have done major world tours (looking at halocene here), bands from every genre under the sun, bands creating entirely new genres. Music is far more open-source now.
[2024-03-08 00:56:21] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| In any case, the music scene today is so collossally varied I don't think it necessarily changes anything. There are bands doing music just for the youtube or bandcamp revenue, bands that have never been signed and yet have done major world tours (looking at halocene here), bands from every genre under the sun, bands creating entirely new genres. Music is far more open-source now.
[2024-03-08 00:57:17] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, and that revolution could have happened sooner if Metallica hadn't gone batshit over napster
[2024-03-08 00:57:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| yeah, and that revolution could have happened sooner if Metallica hadn't gone batshit over napster
[2024-03-08 00:57:40] <Lucifer_arma> because Napster made it possible, but failed at making it actually possible. It took YouTube to do what Napster failed to do.
[2024-03-08 00:57:40] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| because Napster made it possible, but failed at making it actually possible. It took YouTube to do what Napster failed to do.
[2024-03-08 00:57:48] <Lucifer_arma> again, I was a full grown adult for all of this
[2024-03-08 00:57:48] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| again, I was a full grown adult for all of this
[2024-03-08 00:58:38] <Lucifer_arma> But now we have a world where people wear Slayer or Iron Maiden shirts for the shock value, which is really weird, but they do it
[2024-03-08 00:58:38] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| But now we have a world where people wear Slayer or Iron Maiden shirts for the shock value, which is really weird, but they do it
[2024-03-08 00:58:44] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Meh, napster. I'd argue Spotify made internet music a thing, and youtube expanded it. Meanwhile, soulseek has been the pinnacle of music sharing in the shadows since 2001
[2024-03-08 00:58:44] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Meh, napster. I'd argue Spotify made internet music a thing, and youtube expanded it. Meanwhile, soulseek has been the pinnacle of music sharing in the shadows since 2001
[2024-03-08 00:58:47] <Lucifer_arma> so I've had this conversation in person a number of times:
[2024-03-08 00:58:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so I've had this conversation in person a number of times:
[2024-03-08 00:59:01] <Lucifer_arma> Me: Ever had a conversation that you realize you've had before?
[2024-03-08 00:59:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Me: Ever had a conversation that you realize you've had before?
[2024-03-08 00:59:19] <Lucifer_arma> Woman wearing an Iron Maiden shirt: Yes? No? THis is weird
[2024-03-08 00:59:19] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Woman wearing an Iron Maiden shirt: Yes? No? THis is weird
[2024-03-08 00:59:29] <Lucifer_arma> Me: I'm literally quoting a song by the band on your shit
[2024-03-08 00:59:30] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Me: I'm literally quoting a song by the band on your shit
[2024-03-08 00:59:33] <Lucifer_arma> *shirt
[2024-03-08 00:59:33] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| *shirt
[2024-03-08 00:59:49] <Lucifer_arma> Her: Oh, I don't listen to the music, I just like the shirt
[2024-03-08 00:59:50] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Her: Oh, I don't listen to the music, I just like the shirt
[2024-03-08 01:00:03] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| lmao I see gen z kids walking around in behemoth shirts. I do exactly the same thing and have exactly the same repsonse
[2024-03-08 01:00:03] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| lmao I see gen z kids walking around in behemoth shirts. I do exactly the same thing and have exactly the same repsonse
[2024-03-08 01:00:26] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| which reminds me, I need to patch my a7x tee...
[2024-03-08 01:00:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| which reminds me, I need to patch my a7x tee...
[2024-03-08 01:00:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| and my crystal castles tee too
[2024-03-08 01:00:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| and my crystal castles tee too
[2024-03-08 01:01:02] <Lucifer_arma> When I see slayer shirts, and this shouldn't surprise anyone, I say "Have you ever danced with devil has temptation ever summoned you?"
[2024-03-08 01:01:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| When I see slayer shirts, and this shouldn't surprise anyone, I say "Have you ever danced with devil has temptation ever summoned you?"
[2024-03-08 01:01:10] <Lucifer_arma> I get the weirdest looks
[2024-03-08 01:01:10] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I get the weirdest looks
[2024-03-08 01:01:18] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Somehow, I don't doubt that
[2024-03-08 01:01:18] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Somehow, I don't doubt that
[2024-03-08 01:01:21] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| :D
[2024-03-08 01:01:21] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| :D
[2024-03-08 01:01:27] <Lucifer_arma> It's from a song on Seasons in the Abyss
[2024-03-08 01:01:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| It's from a song on Seasons in the Abyss
[2024-03-08 01:01:48] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| If I'm truly honest, the only slayer song I can even slightly recall is raining blood. Slayer isn't really my cup of tea
[2024-03-08 01:01:49] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| If I'm truly honest, the only slayer song I can even slightly recall is raining blood. Slayer isn't really my cup of tea
[2024-03-08 01:02:08] <Lucifer_arma> not mine either, but I really like that album, which is not the one they're most famous for
[2024-03-08 01:02:08] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| not mine either, but I really like that album, which is not the one they're most famous for
[2024-03-08 01:02:47] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| you heard of a band called greta van fleet?
[2024-03-08 01:02:47] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| you heard of a band called greta van fleet?
[2024-03-08 01:02:52] <Lucifer_arma> Raining blood, south of heaven, those are what they're most famous for
[2024-03-08 01:02:52] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Raining blood, south of heaven, those are what they're most famous for
[2024-03-08 01:03:00] <Lucifer_arma> I acutally have, but I haven't given them a listen
[2024-03-08 01:03:00] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I acutally have, but I haven't given them a listen
[2024-03-08 01:03:11] <Lucifer_arma> I've seen them talked about in the metal press, because I read that
[2024-03-08 01:03:12] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I've seen them talked about in the metal press, because I read that
[2024-03-08 01:03:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| They're not too bad imo. They're very young, but the kid on vocals has a voice on him
[2024-03-08 01:03:38] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| They're not too bad imo. They're very young, but the kid on vocals has a voice on him
[2024-03-08 01:03:40] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJg4OJxp-co
[2024-03-08 01:03:41] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJg4OJxp-co
[2024-03-08 01:03:53] <Lucifer_arma> my news feed is weird, because it's politics, open source stuff, metal music, and advice columns
[2024-03-08 01:03:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| my news feed is weird, because it's politics, open source stuff, metal music, and advice columns
[2024-03-08 01:04:02] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| sounds like my mastodon feed
[2024-03-08 01:04:02] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| sounds like my mastodon feed
[2024-03-08 01:04:10] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| minus the advice columns
[2024-03-08 01:04:10] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| minus the advice columns
[2024-03-08 01:04:31] <Lucifer_arma> there's a lot more reddit stuff, usually AITA articles
[2024-03-08 01:04:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| there's a lot more reddit stuff, usually AITA articles
[2024-03-08 01:05:04] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I've largely given up on reddit, save for moderating my town's subreddit and keeping up on events un ukraine
[2024-03-08 01:05:04] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I've largely given up on reddit, save for moderating my town's subreddit and keeping up on events un ukraine
[2024-03-08 01:05:21] <Lucifer_arma> I don't read reddit, I read articles that are copy and pasted reddit stuff
[2024-03-08 01:05:21] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I don't read reddit, I read articles that are copy and pasted reddit stuff
[2024-03-08 01:05:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I maybe catch the odd interesting article on /r/science
[2024-03-08 01:05:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I maybe catch the odd interesting article on /r/science
[2024-03-08 01:05:58] <Lucifer_arma> a lot of boredpanda, but other outlets have taken to posting it
[2024-03-08 01:05:58] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| a lot of boredpanda, but other outlets have taken to posting it
[2024-03-08 01:06:01] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I generally don't have much time for the internet at large anymore. It's full of shock-value content
[2024-03-08 01:06:01] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I generally don't have much time for the internet at large anymore. It's full of shock-value content
[2024-03-08 01:06:19] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| the atmosphere isn't what it was back when nobody had smartphones
[2024-03-08 01:06:19] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| the atmosphere isn't what it was back when nobody had smartphones
[2024-03-08 01:06:33] <Lucifer_arma> me neither, but I'm very interested in the wayland v X11 stuff that's going on now
[2024-03-08 01:06:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| me neither, but I'm very interested in the wayland v X11 stuff that's going on now
[2024-03-08 01:07:14] <Lucifer_arma> I see lots of kernel stuff, and every now and then a windows review article makes it through, usually saying that you should upgrade to *any* linux distribution
[2024-03-08 01:07:14] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I see lots of kernel stuff, and every now and then a windows review article makes it through, usually saying that you should upgrade to *any* linux distribution
[2024-03-08 01:07:29] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'd like to see a proper all-in-one graphical environment solution one day. All this server/environment shite is bleh
[2024-03-08 01:07:29] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'd like to see a proper all-in-one graphical environment solution one day. All this server/environment shite is bleh
[2024-03-08 01:07:44] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I like wayland, too
[2024-03-08 01:07:45] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I like wayland, too
[2024-03-08 01:07:56] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| but I did the bad and bought nvidia
[2024-03-08 01:07:56] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| but I did the bad and bought nvidia
[2024-03-08 01:08:07] <Lucifer_arma> wayland is all in one, but it's "all in my backyard, and if you want more, you have to write it"
[2024-03-08 01:08:08] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| wayland is all in one, but it's "all in my backyard, and if you want more, you have to write it"
[2024-03-08 01:08:48] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| also wayland is still very unsupported by quite a lot of stuff. RDP doesn't work properly, neither does multi-monitor environments
[2024-03-08 01:08:48] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| also wayland is still very unsupported by quite a lot of stuff. RDP doesn't work properly, neither does multi-monitor environments
[2024-03-08 01:08:55] <Lucifer_arma> here, we're still relying on legacy support, because we're like OpenGL 2.0 or something like that
[2024-03-08 01:08:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| here, we're still relying on legacy support, because we're like OpenGL 2.0 or something like that
[2024-03-08 01:09:28] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| pass. I just got done figuring out how to get armagetron running smoothly at all, let alone versioning
[2024-03-08 01:09:29] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| pass. I just got done figuring out how to get armagetron running smoothly at all, let alone versioning
[2024-03-08 01:09:29] <Lucifer_arma> wayland is getting better, but they're never going to support that, because it's "not in my backyard" bullshit
[2024-03-08 01:09:29] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| wayland is getting better, but they're never going to support that, because it's "not in my backyard" bullshit
[2024-03-08 01:10:06] <Lucifer_arma> just wait. If we don't update to Vulkan or something, we're going to get swept away. It might take another ten years for that to happen, though.
[2024-03-08 01:10:07] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| just wait. If we don't update to Vulkan or something, we're going to get swept away. It might take another ten years for that to happen, though.
[2024-03-08 01:10:49] <Lucifer_arma> I'd expect we'll continue to have a vibrant, if small, community running on emulators
[2024-03-08 01:10:50] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'd expect we'll continue to have a vibrant, if small, community running on emulators
[2024-03-08 01:10:56] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| eh, we'll have better options in a few years. For now, x11 is doing okish. I can at least run what I need to run. It would have been nice to have proper seamless VM stuff going though, I will miss visual studio
[2024-03-08 01:10:56] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| eh, we'll have better options in a few years. For now, x11 is doing okish. I can at least run what I need to run. It would have been nice to have proper seamless VM stuff going though, I will miss visual studio
[2024-03-08 01:11:46] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| development in general is much more complex than on windows. I've grown very complacent after using an IDE that sets everything up for me without having to think about it
[2024-03-08 01:11:47] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| development in general is much more complex than on windows. I've grown very complacent after using an IDE that sets everything up for me without having to think about it
[2024-03-08 01:11:50] <Lucifer_arma> we have better options now. If we had the time to put into porting to vulkan, we'd be future proof for another 20 years at least
[2024-03-08 01:11:51] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| we have better options now. If we had the time to put into porting to vulkan, we'd be future proof for another 20 years at least
[2024-03-08 01:13:32] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| honestly if I were to put the time and effort in, I'd probably rewrite tron in something like rust. That would give it access to a huge humber of veyr modern semi-plug-and-play packages that would enable stuff like auth over ssl, multithreading, various graphical integrations, you name it.
[2024-03-08 01:13:32] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| honestly if I were to put the time and effort in, I'd probably rewrite tron in something like rust. That would give it access to a huge humber of veyr modern semi-plug-and-play packages that would enable stuff like auth over ssl, multithreading, various graphical integrations, you name it.
[2024-03-08 01:13:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| That's a *lot* of work though, and I'm not that competent in rust
[2024-03-08 01:13:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| That's a *lot* of work though, and I'm not that competent in rust
[2024-03-08 01:13:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| or, should I say, competent at *all*
[2024-03-08 01:13:39] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| or, should I say, competent at *all*
[2024-03-08 01:14:16] <Lucifer_arma> the only benefit rust gives is memory protection. It has no other significant benefit.
[2024-03-08 01:14:17] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| the only benefit rust gives is memory protection. It has no other significant benefit.
[2024-03-08 01:14:52] <Lucifer_arma> there's a high cost to learning it, though. C++ standards are pretty close to adopting stuff that will make rust obsolete
[2024-03-08 01:14:52] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| there's a high cost to learning it, though. C++ standards are pretty close to adopting stuff that will make rust obsolete
[2024-03-08 01:15:18] <Lucifer_arma> The biggest issue there is that C++ will always leave room for the previous memory unsafe things to keep happening, and rust will always prevents it
[2024-03-08 01:15:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| The biggest issue there is that C++ will always leave room for the previous memory unsafe things to keep happening, and rust will always prevents it
[2024-03-08 01:15:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| hmmm. Maybe. There is talk of rewriting the linux kernel in rust though, so it might be around for a fair while
[2024-03-08 01:15:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| hmmm. Maybe. There is talk of rewriting the linux kernel in rust though, so it might be around for a fair while
[2024-03-08 01:15:36] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| there's also high-level stuff around, like rocket for web aplications
[2024-03-08 01:15:37] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| there's also high-level stuff around, like rocket for web aplications
[2024-03-08 01:16:06] <Lucifer_arma> linux isn't going to rust until there's a standards body that runs rust. Right now, it's all private interests.
[2024-03-08 01:16:06] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| linux isn't going to rust until there's a standards body that runs rust. Right now, it's all private interests.
[2024-03-08 01:17:03] <Lucifer_arma> rust looks great right now, but C and C++ are adapting and including things that rust has. LIterally, the only reason to prefer rust is it's inherent memory safety, which is still relying on some form of C/C++ to make it possible
[2024-03-08 01:17:03] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| rust looks great right now, but C and C++ are adapting and including things that rust has. LIterally, the only reason to prefer rust is it's inherent memory safety, which is still relying on some form of C/C++ to make it possible
[2024-03-08 01:17:23] <Lucifer_arma> I want to think rust is the way of the future, but I just don't see it happening.
[2024-03-08 01:17:23] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I want to think rust is the way of the future, but I just don't see it happening.
[2024-03-08 01:17:55] <Lucifer_arma> If you go back in arma code long enough, you find that Z-man wrote some templates to handle memory management that anticipated the issues that would show up later
[2024-03-08 01:17:56] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| If you go back in arma code long enough, you find that Z-man wrote some templates to handle memory management that anticipated the issues that would show up later
[2024-03-08 01:18:27] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, back in the 0.2.7 series there were memory leaks. but Z-man spent some time, developed the templates, and we don't ahve them now
[2024-03-08 01:18:27] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| yeah, back in the 0.2.7 series there were memory leaks. but Z-man spent some time, developed the templates, and we don't ahve them now
[2024-03-08 01:18:53] <Lucifer_arma> if someone came along and said we should port armagetron to rust, I'd laugh in their face. Rust provides nothing, and costs a shitload.
[2024-03-08 01:18:53] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| if someone came along and said we should port armagetron to rust, I'd laugh in their face. Rust provides nothing, and costs a shitload.
[2024-03-08 01:19:50] <Lucifer_arma> And there are a lot of other C/C++ projects who are going through the same thing
[2024-03-08 01:19:50] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| And there are a lot of other C/C++ projects who are going through the same thing
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[2024-03-08 12:46:03] <Z-Man> You don't PORT to rust. You REWRITE.
[2024-03-08 12:46:03] <Z-Man> The real benefit of rust is not plain memory safety, it's thread safety. Basic memory safety is not too hard in C++. Just use smart pointers and standard containers and you are 99% there.
[2024-03-08 12:46:03] <Z-Man> You can still get problems with function side effects, say your member function calls another function, that calls another, and so on, and that function resets the smart pointer your first object was managed by.
[2024-03-08 12:46:03] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| You don't PORT to rust. You REWRITE.
[2024-03-08 12:46:04] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| The real benefit of rust is not plain memory safety, it's thread safety. Basic memory safety is not too hard in C++. Just use smart pointers and standard containers and you are 99% there.
[2024-03-08 12:46:05] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| You can still get problems with function side effects, say your member function calls another function, that calls another, and so on, and that function resets the smart pointer your first object was managed by.
[2024-03-08 12:46:36] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| That is about the only cause of memory problems at my day job. Especially since the C++ bits can call .NET bits that then can do whatever the F they want.
[2024-03-08 12:46:36] <Z-Man> That is about the only cause of memory problems at my day job. Especially since the C++ bits can call .NET bits that then can do whatever the F they want.
[2024-03-08 12:47:59] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Better smart pointers would help there. Use shared_ptr for everything, keep a reference to everything you are actively using in a shared_ptr on the stack. That eliminates that problem.
[2024-03-08 12:47:59] <Z-Man> Better smart pointers would help there. Use shared_ptr for everything, keep a reference to everything you are actively using in a shared_ptr on the stack. That eliminates that problem.
[2024-03-08 12:48:42] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| At a price, of course; modifying shared_ptrs is relatively expensive, since they need to manipulate an atomic reference counter.
[2024-03-08 12:48:43] <Z-Man> At a price, of course; modifying shared_ptrs is relatively expensive, since they need to manipulate an atomic reference counter.
[2024-03-08 12:49:30] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| If you're single threaded, you could write your own shared_ptr with a plain reference counter.
[2024-03-08 12:49:30] <Z-Man> If you're single threaded, you could write your own shared_ptr with a plain reference counter.
[2024-03-08 12:50:59] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Or you can give your smart pointers custom deleters; that is possible for both shared_ptr and unique_ptr. That custom deleter would then not actually delete the object right away, but put them in a list to be deleted later further up the callstack when we know it won't cause any problems.
[2024-03-08 12:50:59] <Z-Man> Or you can give your smart pointers custom deleters; that is possible for both shared_ptr and unique_ptr. That custom deleter would then not actually delete the object right away, but put them in a list to be deleted later further up the callstack when we know it won't cause any problems.
[2024-03-08 12:52:49] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Which of course makes you lose the one big selling point for C++, that you know precisely when destructors are called. So don't do that for objects where you need that property.
[2024-03-08 12:52:49] <Z-Man> Which of course makes you lose the one big selling point for C++, that you know precisely when destructors are called. So don't do that for objects where you need that property.
[2024-03-08 12:54:00] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Actually, I think I'll try the custom deleter thing at work. We have a good point to actually do the destruction.
[2024-03-08 12:54:00] <Z-Man> Actually, I think I'll try the custom deleter thing at work. We have a good point to actually do the destruction.
[2024-03-08 12:56:07] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Rust solves these problems by forcing you to be damned strict. The death by side effects can't happen there, because while you are in a function that needs an object, no other function is allowed to have write access to it, so nobody can delete it from under your ass.
[2024-03-08 12:56:08] <Z-Man> Rust solves these problems by forcing you to be damned strict. The death by side effects can't happen there, because while you are in a function that needs an object, no other function is allowed to have write access to it, so nobody can delete it from under your ass.
[2024-03-08 12:57:11] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| If you stay in safe mode. Calling .NET code that needs access to all your stuff definitely is not safe mode compatible.
[2024-03-08 12:57:11] <Z-Man> If you stay in safe mode. Calling .NET code that needs access to all your stuff definitely is not safe mode compatible.
[2024-03-08 12:59:15] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Writing thread safe code in .NET is just as hard as in C++, if not harder. In C++, you have 'const'. That allows you to separate your functions visibly into functions that are safe to run concurrently (the const ones) and the ones that are not. No such thing exists in .NET.
[2024-03-08 12:59:16] <Z-Man> Writing thread safe code in .NET is just as hard as in C++, if not harder. In C++, you have 'const'. That allows you to separate your functions visibly into functions that are safe to run concurrently (the const ones) and the ones that are not. No such thing exists in .NET.
[2024-03-08 13:00:47] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| So you either handle the separation by annotations, documentations, comments, conventions... or you treat all functions as the non-consts they are.
[2024-03-08 13:00:47] <Z-Man> So you either handle the separation by annotations, documentations, comments, conventions... or you treat all functions as the non-consts they are.
[2024-03-08 13:09:23] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| AVOID SHARED MUTABLE STATE is still rule number one for good multithreaded code, and .NET makes that harder.
[2024-03-08 13:09:23] <Z-Man> AVOID SHARED MUTABLE STATE is still rule number one for good multithreaded code, and .NET makes that harder.
[2024-03-08 14:14:03] <armagetronbridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| I work with unity3d which uses C#/.NET and a large part of engine functions and objects are only usable on the main thread ._.
[2024-03-08 14:14:03] <armagetron-bridge> 03discord:ninjapotato1080| I work with unity3d which uses C#/.NET and a large part of engine functions and objects are only usable on the main thread ._.
[2024-03-08 16:31:32] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| Yeah, that is common practice. All WPF and WinForms functions also need to be called from one thread. If you yourself run multiple threads, you then have to marshall your calls over to the main one. We use async/await for that, which is convenient, but it requires async/await and its overhead all over the place then.
[2024-03-08 16:31:32] <Z-Man> Yeah, that is common practice. All WPF and WinForms functions also need to be called from one thread. If you yourself run multiple threads, you then have to marshall your calls over to the main one. We use async/await for that, which is convenient, but it requires async/await and its overhead all over the place then.
[2024-03-08 16:32:53] <armagetronbridge> 15irc:Z-Man| guru3: Lucifer_arma: I just got a bug bounty scam exactly like this one on the sf mail account, maybe you too: https://www.katsbits.com/community/index.php/topic,1213.msg5376.html?PHPSESSID=45baa6f6ed1893b5d6b52e91c7cd73f4#msg5376 I'm choosing to simply not respond and let them escalate. Next they'll demand 500$.
[2024-03-08 16:32:53] <Z-Man> guru3: Lucifer_arma: I just got a bug bounty scam exactly like this one on the sf mail account, maybe you too: https://www.katsbits.com/community/index.php/topic,1213.msg5376.html?PHPSESSID=45baa6f6ed1893b5d6b52e91c7cd73f4#msg5376 I'm choosing to simply not respond and let them escalate. Next they'll demand 500$.
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[2024-03-08 23:02:46] <Lucifer_arma> I haven't gotten one of those bug bounty emails
[2024-03-08 23:02:47] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I haven't gotten one of those bug bounty emails
[2024-03-08 23:04:25] <Lucifer_arma> I also think C++ is going too slowly adopting threadsafe and process safe APIs, but it will get there. Boost already has it all, but I don't know how easy it is to use
[2024-03-08 23:04:26] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I also think C++ is going too slowly adopting threadsafe and process safe APIs, but it will get there. Boost already has it all, but I don't know how easy it is to use
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