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[2021-01-23 05:19:52] <Lucifer_arma> Ok, if any of you are watching Walker, Jared Padalecki's new show, I just want you to know, they're showing Austin as a city that I don't recognize
[2021-01-23 05:20:32] <Lucifer_arma> I mean, I can identify the major landmarks, of course, but this isn't a city full of country music.  It's all blues, whiny rock (aka alternative rock), punk rock, hard rock, and a bit of metal
[2021-01-23 05:21:02] <Lucifer_arma> but if you watch the first episode of Walker, they make Austin look like a country town, and it most certainly is *not*
[2021-01-23 05:22:46] <Lucifer_arma> you're probably better off going back to Dazed and Confused (the original, I heard they were doing a remake), which was filmed in Austin, but I haven't seen it so I don't know for sure
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[2021-01-23 13:19:26] <Z-Man> I watched Dazed and Confused, in the cinema even. Don't remember a single thing about it. Teenagers are in it? Doing stuff? No, I was neither drunk nor stoned. Does that put me into the target audience of a remake? I don't think I'd rewatch the original.
[2021-01-23 13:19:46] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.4-armagetronad] r3209 Merge from legacy_0.2.9
[2021-01-23 13:30:36] <Z-Man> Intelectual honesty reminder: luke-jr was not whataboutismizing. You talked kids in cages, he replied with kids in cages. Of course, I'd still like to see evidence of systematic cruelty to immigrant kids under Obama before having an actual opinion on the topic.
[2021-01-23 13:36:29] <luke-jr> Z-Man: it obviously didn't start under Trump. Even the people who attack Trump for it, tend to admit that and say "well he should have stopped it sooner"
[2021-01-23 13:50:18] <Z-Man> obviously?
[2021-01-23 19:28:30] <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: my point isn't when it started, it's when it became a policy of cruelty.  If a person commits murder, and there's enough evidence to arrest, nobody stops to ask "What happens to the kids?"
[2021-01-23 19:28:54] <Lucifer_arma> also, the *actual* cages themselves were all Trump.  Before that, they were basically dormitories for the kids.
[2021-01-23 19:29:36] <Lucifer_arma> so, before Trump, if a kid's parents, while entering the country illegally, were found to be, say, a murderer working for a cartel, then the parents would go to jail and the kids were placed in a temporary holding facility, as you'd expect
[2021-01-23 19:29:51] <Lucifer_arma> that policy probably goes waaaaay back
[2021-01-23 19:30:52] <Lucifer_arma> the kids were tracked and kept informed of where their parents were, and they were either deported to the foster system of their home country or placed here in the US
[2021-01-23 19:31:31] <Lucifer_arma> but what Trump did was separate the kids, put them in actual cages, fail to keep track of the kids and their parents so they couldn't be reconnected, and his people did this for everyone entering the country illegally
[2021-01-23 19:32:03] <Lucifer_arma> calling those two things the same policy would be the same as suggesting that drinking water from the tap is the same as swimming in the lake while the dam breaks
[2021-01-23 19:32:24] <Lucifer_arma> no, how about taking a bath in tap water vs swimming in the lake while the dam breaks
[2021-01-23 19:33:04] <Lucifer_arma> one of these things is perfectly fine and expected.  If you don't want to be separated from your kids, don't commit heinous crimes.
[2021-01-23 19:33:56] <Lucifer_arma> the other thing, not so much.  Simply entering the country isn't heinous enough to take the kids from their parents, let alone all the other crap that was done (the actual cages themselves, and the part where they didn't bother to track the families so they could be reconnected)
[2021-01-23 19:42:10] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: I haven't seen Dazed and Confused at all, not even when it was popular and I was smoking pot a lot.  I'm just not interested, generally speaking, in stoner movies.
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