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[2026-03-03 00:38:35] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| I think high ping actually encourages high initiative and high provocation plays
[2026-03-03 00:38:35] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| I think high ping actually encourages high initiative and high provocation plays
[2026-03-03 00:39:00] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Because you have such latency
[2026-03-03 00:39:00] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Because you have such latency
[2026-03-03 00:39:19] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| If you try to move your opponent will be behind in the feedback they get
[2026-03-03 00:39:19] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| If you try to move your opponent will be behind in the feedback they get
[2026-03-03 00:39:29] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| And if you pair that with speed
[2026-03-03 00:39:29] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| And if you pair that with speed
[2026-03-03 00:39:34] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Till be extra behind
[2026-03-03 00:39:34] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Till be extra behind
[2026-03-03 00:39:59] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Maybe instead of ping charity 0 i should have it at 300 lmao
[2026-03-03 00:39:59] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Maybe instead of ping charity 0 i should have it at 300 lmao
[2026-03-03 00:40:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But if you react you will be behind everytime
[2026-03-03 00:40:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But if you react you will be behind everytime
[2026-03-03 00:43:31] <Lucifer_arma> I'd be interested in seeing if you can change ping charity to give you an advantage
[2026-03-03 00:43:31] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'd be interested in seeing if you can change ping charity to give you an advantage
[2026-03-03 00:43:34] <Lucifer_arma> I never managed it
[2026-03-03 00:43:34] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I never managed it
[2026-03-03 00:46:35] <Lucifer_arma> there's a www.kleptomaniacsanonymous.com out there
[2026-03-03 00:46:35] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| there's a www.kleptomaniacsanonymous.com out there
[2026-03-03 00:46:48] <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to wait until their domain registration lapses and then snag it for myself
[2026-03-03 00:46:48] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I'm going to wait until their domain registration lapses and then snag it for myself
[2026-03-03 00:47:52] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Ill need tons of speed to make it work
[2026-03-03 00:47:52] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Ill need tons of speed to make it work
[2026-03-03 00:48:05] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Which means i need to use my rubber wisely
[2026-03-03 00:48:05] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Which means i need to use my rubber wisely
[2026-03-03 00:48:18] <Lucifer_arma> if I'd done that, I wouldn't have three kids
[2026-03-03 00:48:18] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| if I'd done that, I wouldn't have three kids
[2026-03-03 00:50:46] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| 400 ping charity might be the thing i need in order to speedbox people and surprise them with it
[2026-03-03 00:50:46] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| 400 ping charity might be the thing i need in order to speedbox people and surprise them with it
[2026-03-03 00:50:57] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Because they need 4 turns to get out
[2026-03-03 00:50:57] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Because they need 4 turns to get out
[2026-03-03 00:52:19] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Assuming .1 turn delay
[2026-03-03 00:52:19] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Assuming .1 turn delay
[2026-03-03 01:16:01] <Lucifer_arma> well, the thing is, ping charity is what the server distributes to the other clients as a way to equalize everyone's pings
[2026-03-03 01:16:01] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| well, the thing is, ping charity is what the server distributes to the other clients as a way to equalize everyone's pings
[2026-03-03 01:16:08] <Lucifer_arma> I don't think the setting on the client does anything at all
[2026-03-03 01:16:08] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| I don't think the setting on the client does anything at all
[2026-03-03 01:16:43] <Lucifer_arma> so if you have someone with 100 playing someone with 200, then 100 ping charity is given to the lower ping player, giving them both an effective ping of 200
[2026-03-03 01:16:44] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so if you have someone with 100 playing someone with 200, then 100 ping charity is given to the lower ping player, giving them both an effective ping of 200
[2026-03-03 01:16:54] <Lucifer_arma> it's not quite like that in practice, but that's the concept anyway
[2026-03-03 01:16:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it's not quite like that in practice, but that's the concept anyway
[2026-03-03 01:17:21] <Lucifer_arma> that's why really high ping players can make a game seem bad for everyone, or used to, anyway
[2026-03-03 01:17:21] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| that's why really high ping players can make a game seem bad for everyone, or used to, anyway
[2026-03-03 01:17:39] <Lucifer_arma> it doesn't have as much an effect as it used to.  I think Z-Man rethought it right before 0.2.7.0
[2026-03-03 01:17:39] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| it doesn't have as much an effect as it used to.  I think Z-Man rethought it right before 0.2.7.0
[2026-03-03 01:17:46] <Lucifer_arma> er, 0.2.7.1
[2026-03-03 01:17:46] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| er, 0.2.7.1
[2026-03-03 01:17:54] <Lucifer_arma> or right after
[2026-03-03 01:17:55] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| or right after
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[2026-03-03 03:37:20] <armagetron-bridge> 10discord:ℜ𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔬:Player51| some servers (like mine) sets `PING_CHARITY_MIN` to some defined values, e.g. `80`. now you make me considering setting `PING_CHARITY_MAX` too.
[2026-03-03 03:37:21] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:ℜ𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔬:Player51| some servers (like mine) sets `PING_CHARITY_MIN` to some defined values, e.g. `80`. now you make me considering setting `PING_CHARITY_MAX` too.
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[2026-03-03 05:00:17] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| dammit luci why you gotta sleep right before I get on
[2026-03-03 05:00:17] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| dammit luci why you gotta sleep right before I get on
[2026-03-03 05:13:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the rest of us not good enough for you 😭
[2026-03-03 05:13:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the rest of us not good enough for you 😭
[2026-03-03 05:25:06] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Away with you, cretin!
[2026-03-03 05:25:06] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Away with you, cretin!
[2026-03-03 05:25:48] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, I just wondered if Luci had more insight into what we could to as an alternative to `max(RTT/2, RTT<whatever>)`
[2026-03-03 05:25:48] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, I just wondered if Luci had more insight into what we could to as an alternative to `max(RTT/2, RTT<whatever>)`
[2026-03-03 05:27:12] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| have you asked the agent? 😉
[2026-03-03 05:27:12] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| have you asked the agent? 😉
[2026-03-03 05:27:21] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i bet it has some valuable contributions
[2026-03-03 05:27:21] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i bet it has some valuable contributions
[2026-03-03 05:27:22] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i will try
[2026-03-03 05:27:22] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i will try
[2026-03-03 05:27:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| no, and I won't use
[2026-03-03 05:27:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| no, and I won't use
[2026-03-03 05:27:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| any code LLM generated in 0.5
[2026-03-03 05:27:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| any code LLM generated in 0.5
[2026-03-03 05:27:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| if you want to do that in your own fork, sure
[2026-03-03 05:27:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| if you want to do that in your own fork, sure
[2026-03-03 05:28:15] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i didnt say anything about llm generated code
[2026-03-03 05:28:15] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i didnt say anything about llm generated code
[2026-03-03 06:31:21] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Im thinking about a concept
[2026-03-03 06:31:21] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Im thinking about a concept
[2026-03-03 06:31:46] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Organizing friendlies between the ladle teams to coach and teach eachother how to tighten things up
[2026-03-03 06:31:47] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Organizing friendlies between the ladle teams to coach and teach eachother how to tighten things up
[2026-03-03 06:31:53] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Anyone wanna do that?
[2026-03-03 06:31:53] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Anyone wanna do that?
[2026-03-03 06:32:40] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Pickup is such a volatile place in terms of skill levels
[2026-03-03 06:32:40] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Pickup is such a volatile place in terms of skill levels
[2026-03-03 06:47:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| that is a fire idea
[2026-03-03 06:47:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| that is a fire idea
[2026-03-03 06:48:05] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| friendlies would be fun
[2026-03-03 06:48:05] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| friendlies would be fun
[2026-03-03 07:26:15] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| We used to have the odd scrimmage when there were enough teams and clans about to do so. Be ncie to start that again
[2026-03-03 07:26:15] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| We used to have the odd scrimmage when there were enough teams and clans about to do so. Be ncie to start that again
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[2026-03-03 12:22:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1478442453680783471/HCgDVi2bcAEkJyY.png?ex=69a86a55&is=69a718d5&hm=8913f77909277bd8929358e3bcdcaa6b4802871c1bd1b675322382f4d5baedb3&
[2026-03-03 12:22:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1478442453680783471/HCgDVi2bcAEkJyY.png?ex=69a86a55&is=69a718d5&hm=8913f77909277bd8929358e3bcdcaa6b4802871c1bd1b675322382f4d5baedb3&
[2026-03-03 12:22:41] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| tough day for the stochastic parrot crew when don knuth is vibe mathing
[2026-03-03 12:22:41] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| tough day for the stochastic parrot crew when don knuth is vibe mathing
[2026-03-03 12:36:54] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Interesting
[2026-03-03 12:36:54] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Interesting
[2026-03-03 12:37:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| not the gotcha you think it is. Without the assistance of the llm, the only time sink would have been proofs. That's where the automation comes in - but this could have been also very easily achieved without machine learning, instead designing an iterative func to test hundreds of thousands of digraphs a second. 
[2026-03-03 12:37:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| In fact, this is how quite a lot of theory is done, especially in physics. It's the reason we've had vast improvements over things like structural design in the past forty years or so, as well as things like dynamic orbit predictions, particle physics, etcetera. 
[2026-03-03 12:37:49] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| We scale this up too - although when you scale up, things tend to take a lot longer. A good example of that is the large hadron collider. That's an example of running simulations over and over in a (semi) automated fashion to examine the result.
[2026-03-03 12:37:58] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| not the gotcha you think it is. Without the assistance of the llm, the only time sink would have been proofs. That's where the automation comes in - but this could have been also very easily achieved without machine learning, instead designing an iterative func to test hundreds of thousands of digraphs a second. 
[2026-03-03 12:37:58] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| In fact, this is how quite a lot of theory is done, especially in physics. It's the reason we've had vast improvements over things like structural design in the past forty years or so, as well as things like dynamic orbit predictions, particle physics, etcetera. 
[2026-03-03 12:37:58] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| We scale this up too - although when you scale up, things tend to take a lot longer. A good example of that is the large hadron collider. That's an example of running simulations over and over in a (semi) automated fashion to examine the result.
[2026-03-03 12:38:01] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| My sort-of-brother is using this approach right now for his thesis in physics
[2026-03-03 12:38:01] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| My sort-of-brother is using this approach right now for his thesis in physics
[2026-03-03 12:38:57] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| A thing to note is the handholding and coaching required for it
[2026-03-03 12:38:57] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| A thing to note is the handholding and coaching required for it
[2026-03-03 12:39:31] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Even if there is some transcendant property then maybe that would be a limit for it
[2026-03-03 12:39:31] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Even if there is some transcendant property then maybe that would be a limit for it
[2026-03-03 12:39:31] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| No amount of yap can compare with "Hats off to Claude" from the father of algorithm analysis
[2026-03-03 12:39:32] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| No amount of yap can compare with "Hats off to Claude" from the father of algorithm analysis
[2026-03-03 12:39:54] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/papers/claude-cycles.pdf
[2026-03-03 12:39:54] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/papers/claude-cycles.pdf
[2026-03-03 12:39:59] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| good read
[2026-03-03 12:39:59] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| good read
[2026-03-03 12:40:18] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| > but this could have been also very easily achieved without machine learning, instead designing an iterative func to test hundreds of thousands of digraphs a second. 
[2026-03-03 12:40:18] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| > but this could have been also very easily achieved without machine learning, instead designing an iterative func to test hundreds of thousands of digraphs a second. 
[2026-03-03 12:40:19] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| :Facepalm:
[2026-03-03 12:40:23] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| :Facepalm:
[2026-03-03 12:40:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| waiting for your euler solutions
[2026-03-03 12:40:38] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| waiting for your euler solutions
[2026-03-03 12:41:05] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| a tool is only as potent as the wielder
[2026-03-03 12:41:05] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| a tool is only as potent as the wielder
[2026-03-03 12:41:30] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| very very slim chance of us without the lexicon required to prompt such things
[2026-03-03 12:41:30] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| very very slim chance of us without the lexicon required to prompt such things
[2026-03-03 12:41:50] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Aye, but maybe the tool is more a catalyst
[2026-03-03 12:41:50] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Aye, but maybe the tool is more a catalyst
[2026-03-03 12:42:08] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Ill take the catalyst if its proven sure
[2026-03-03 12:42:08] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Ill take the catalyst if its proven sure
[2026-03-03 12:42:21] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But im sticking to the ol fashioned
[2026-03-03 12:42:22] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But im sticking to the ol fashioned
[2026-03-03 12:42:32] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| abacus??
[2026-03-03 12:42:32] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| abacus??
[2026-03-03 12:42:41] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| 🤣
[2026-03-03 12:42:41] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| 🤣
[2026-03-03 12:42:43] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Especially where the work is the part that i need to do
[2026-03-03 12:42:43] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Especially where the work is the part that i need to do
[2026-03-03 12:42:55] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| whats ol fashioned to you
[2026-03-03 12:42:55] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| whats ol fashioned to you
[2026-03-03 12:43:28] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| If im given a piece of work ill do it and research it with the tools and things i know to be reliable
[2026-03-03 12:43:28] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| If im given a piece of work ill do it and research it with the tools and things i know to be reliable
[2026-03-03 12:43:40] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| And will accept the mistakes i will make
[2026-03-03 12:43:40] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| And will accept the mistakes i will make
[2026-03-03 12:43:53] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Im talking more in the context of education btw
[2026-03-03 12:43:53] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Im talking more in the context of education btw
[2026-03-03 12:44:39] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Sure, but its not like something so old cant have value
[2026-03-03 12:44:39] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Sure, but its not like something so old cant have value
[2026-03-03 12:44:41] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yeah im just asking whats a reliable tool to you
[2026-03-03 12:44:41] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yeah im just asking whats a reliable tool to you
[2026-03-03 12:44:54] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| no, the abacus is one of the most important tool inventions in history
[2026-03-03 12:44:54] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| no, the abacus is one of the most important tool inventions in history
[2026-03-03 12:45:10] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| tried and tested for many generations
[2026-03-03 12:45:10] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| tried and tested for many generations
[2026-03-03 12:45:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Wikipedia and when i need something verifiable ill go search for the scientific literature on it
[2026-03-03 12:45:30] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Wikipedia and when i need something verifiable ill go search for the scientific literature on it
[2026-03-03 12:45:43] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Download books whatever
[2026-03-03 12:45:43] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Download books whatever
[2026-03-03 12:46:00] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Wikipedia is more of a gut check really
[2026-03-03 12:46:00] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Wikipedia is more of a gut check really
[2026-03-03 12:46:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| these will just help you surface others claims of truth
[2026-03-03 12:46:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| these will just help you surface others claims of truth
[2026-03-03 12:46:11] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| they dont necessarily help you with verifying your claims of truth
[2026-03-03 12:46:12] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| they dont necessarily help you with verifying your claims of truth
[2026-03-03 12:46:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im specifically interested in tools a la creation
[2026-03-03 12:46:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im specifically interested in tools a la creation
[2026-03-03 12:46:33] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Youtube if i need to learn things a certain way
[2026-03-03 12:46:33] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Youtube if i need to learn things a certain way
[2026-03-03 12:46:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you enjoy the keyboard, at least
[2026-03-03 12:46:34] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you enjoy the keyboard, at least
[2026-03-03 12:46:39] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| > after EVERY exploreXX.py...
[2026-03-03 12:46:39] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Hardly cope. In fact, he did *exactly* what I said. The only difference here is that he used claude to take a complex problem and reword it.
[2026-03-03 12:46:40] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| > after EVERY exploreXX.py...
[2026-03-03 12:46:40] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Hardly cope. In fact, he did *exactly* what I said. The only difference here is that he used claude to take a complex problem and reword it.
[2026-03-03 12:46:41] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Which is, wait for it, 
[2026-03-03 12:46:41] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Which is, wait for it, 
[2026-03-03 12:46:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| **a fucking scholastic parrots**
[2026-03-03 12:46:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| **a fucking scholastic parrots**
[2026-03-03 12:46:59] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| What I will admit do, however
[2026-03-03 12:46:59] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| What I will admit do, however
[2026-03-03 12:47:02] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| "the only difference here"
[2026-03-03 12:47:02] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| >states a fundamental difference
[2026-03-03 12:47:02] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| "the only difference here"
[2026-03-03 12:47:02] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| >states a fundamental difference
[2026-03-03 12:47:19] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Im currently educating myself so ofc
[2026-03-03 12:47:19] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Im currently educating myself so ofc
[2026-03-03 12:47:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| it's not really - anyone suitable skilled in teh field can reword a short problem
[2026-03-03 12:47:31] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| it's not really - anyone suitable skilled in teh field can reword a short problem
[2026-03-03 12:47:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| deli are you trying to tell you think Knuth missed a better way of doing this?
[2026-03-03 12:47:42] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| deli are you trying to tell you think Knuth missed a better way of doing this?
[2026-03-03 12:47:53] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, what I will admit to is that the use of claude to reword a complex problem is, in fact, something I'm sort of on board with
[2026-03-03 12:47:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway, what I will admit to is that the use of claude to reword a complex problem is, in fact, something I'm sort of on board with
[2026-03-03 12:48:04] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it solved the problem
[2026-03-03 12:48:04] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it solved the problem
[2026-03-03 12:48:05] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| stop mincing words
[2026-03-03 12:48:05] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| stop mincing words
[2026-03-03 12:48:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it didnt reword it, it found a generalisation for all odd values
[2026-03-03 12:48:20] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it didnt reword it, it found a generalisation for all odd values
[2026-03-03 12:48:21] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, what I'm saying is his colleague went to an LLM instead of using his brain
[2026-03-03 12:48:21] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| No, what I'm saying is his colleague went to an LLM instead of using his brain
[2026-03-03 12:48:37] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and so we have results, instead of the unsolved problem
[2026-03-03 12:48:37] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and so we have results, instead of the unsolved problem
[2026-03-03 12:48:39] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| do you see>
[2026-03-03 12:48:39] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| do you see>
[2026-03-03 12:48:42] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Well then to what extent? If im schizophrenic then the voices i hear are true to me is it not
[2026-03-03 12:48:42] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Well then to what extent? If im schizophrenic then the voices i hear are true to me is it not
[2026-03-03 12:48:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| no, it didn't. It reworded the problem to make the generation of a testing apparatus easier
[2026-03-03 12:48:53] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| no, it didn't. It reworded the problem to make the generation of a testing apparatus easier
[2026-03-03 12:49:00] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| and then ran the test over and over again
[2026-03-03 12:49:00] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| and then ran the test over and over again
[2026-03-03 12:49:04] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| > after EVERY exploreXX.py...
[2026-03-03 12:49:04] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| > after EVERY exploreXX.py...
[2026-03-03 12:49:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and then what happened
[2026-03-03 12:49:06] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and then what happened
[2026-03-03 12:49:10] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it found results
[2026-03-03 12:49:10] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it found results
[2026-03-03 12:49:14] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it generalised them
[2026-03-03 12:49:14] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it generalised them
[2026-03-03 12:49:19] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| which would have happened with or without claude
[2026-03-03 12:49:19] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| which would have happened with or without claude
[2026-03-03 12:49:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| not only did it craft a python program
[2026-03-03 12:49:21] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| not only did it craft a python program
[2026-03-03 12:49:25] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it generalised that program
[2026-03-03 12:49:25] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it generalised that program
[2026-03-03 12:49:46] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the sheer disrespect of the papers collaborator for you to say "he didnt use his brain"
[2026-03-03 12:49:46] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the sheer disrespect of the papers collaborator for you to say "he didnt use his brain"
[2026-03-03 12:49:53] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Did the program yield some correct results?
[2026-03-03 12:49:54] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Did the program yield some correct results?
[2026-03-03 12:49:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| your contempt for progress is aesthetically displeasing
[2026-03-03 12:49:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| your contempt for progress is aesthetically displeasing
[2026-03-03 12:50:05] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it yielded a general solution
[2026-03-03 12:50:05] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it yielded a general solution
[2026-03-03 12:50:22] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Im not asking for 100 percent
[2026-03-03 12:50:22] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Im not asking for 100 percent
[2026-03-03 12:50:45] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| All in all, however, this was definitely an impressive success story. I think Claude Shannon’s spirit is
[2026-03-03 12:50:45] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| All in all, however, this was definitely an impressive success story. I think Claude Shannon’s spirit is
[2026-03-03 12:50:45] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| probably proud to know that his name is now being associated with such advances. Hats off to Claude!
[2026-03-03 12:50:46] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| probably proud to know that his name is now being associated with such advances. Hats off to Claude!
[2026-03-03 12:50:54] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But yeah give me a percentage of what solutions it got right if you can give me that
[2026-03-03 12:50:54] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But yeah give me a percentage of what solutions it got right if you can give me that
[2026-03-03 12:51:09] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| do you understand what i mean when i said it yielded a general solution?
[2026-03-03 12:51:09] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| do you understand what i mean when i said it yielded a general solution?
[2026-03-03 12:51:17] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Sure
[2026-03-03 12:51:17] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Sure
[2026-03-03 12:51:19] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it means it can find any result
[2026-03-03 12:51:19] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it means it can find any result
[2026-03-03 12:51:37] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But were they then verified?
[2026-03-03 12:51:37] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But were they then verified?
[2026-03-03 12:51:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yes, by Donald Knuth
[2026-03-03 12:51:43] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yes, by Donald Knuth
[2026-03-03 12:51:48] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Cool
[2026-03-03 12:51:48] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Cool
[2026-03-03 12:51:52] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| worth looking him up, if you're unfamiliar
[2026-03-03 12:51:52] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| worth looking him up, if you're unfamiliar
[2026-03-03 12:51:55] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| really cool guy
[2026-03-03 12:51:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| really cool guy
[2026-03-03 12:52:30] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| ??
[2026-03-03 12:52:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| ??
[2026-03-03 12:52:30] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| But he didn't. Instead of relying on his own skills, he approached a machine learning model
[2026-03-03 12:52:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| But he didn't. Instead of relying on his own skills, he approached a machine learning model
[2026-03-03 12:52:39] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| that's not an insult, it's a statement of fact
[2026-03-03 12:52:39] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| that's not an insult, it's a statement of fact
[2026-03-03 12:52:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it's more than an insult, it's undermining progress generally
[2026-03-03 12:52:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it's more than an insult, it's undermining progress generally
[2026-03-03 12:53:02] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| and Knuth being Knuth doesn't imply that I can't disagree with him on a non-mathematical point
[2026-03-03 12:53:02] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| and Knuth being Knuth doesn't imply that I can't disagree with him on a non-mathematical point
[2026-03-03 12:53:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| The bulk of the work was done by the ai yes
[2026-03-03 12:53:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| The bulk of the work was done by the ai yes
[2026-03-03 12:53:19] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| lmao no, machine learning is what is undermining progress
[2026-03-03 12:53:19] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| lmao no, machine learning is what is undermining progress
[2026-03-03 12:53:28] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is also somewhat insulting
[2026-03-03 12:53:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is also somewhat insulting
[2026-03-03 12:53:36] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| the more reliant we become, the less innovation will occur
[2026-03-03 12:53:36] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| the more reliant we become, the less innovation will occur
[2026-03-03 12:53:39] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| if this were true you would expect you or i to be able to produce this output
[2026-03-03 12:53:39] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| if this were true you would expect you or i to be able to produce this output
[2026-03-03 12:53:56] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| With adequate training? sure
[2026-03-03 12:53:56] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| With adequate training? sure
[2026-03-03 12:54:00] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| He was able to produce it because he knew what he was looking for
[2026-03-03 12:54:00] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| He was able to produce it because he knew what he was looking for
[2026-03-03 12:54:07] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| adequate training being world class tutelage
[2026-03-03 12:54:07] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| adequate training being world class tutelage
[2026-03-03 12:54:08] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| And he was a mathematician
[2026-03-03 12:54:08] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| And he was a mathematician
[2026-03-03 12:54:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| otherwise deli stop yapping and start solving some of these problems
[2026-03-03 12:54:17] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| otherwise deli stop yapping and start solving some of these problems
[2026-03-03 12:54:30] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| what do they have that you dont?
[2026-03-03 12:54:30] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| what do they have that you dont?
[2026-03-03 12:54:31] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| To me ai is more of a force multiplier
[2026-03-03 12:54:32] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| To me ai is more of a force multiplier
[2026-03-03 12:54:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is fair, but this does imply that they have substantial force to begin with
[2026-03-03 12:54:50] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is fair, but this does imply that they have substantial force to begin with
[2026-03-03 12:55:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is flat out not true
[2026-03-03 12:55:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is flat out not true
[2026-03-03 12:55:09] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i can demonstrate a variety of datasets to prove this
[2026-03-03 12:55:09] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i can demonstrate a variety of datasets to prove this
[2026-03-03 12:55:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| who told you this ?
[2026-03-03 12:55:16] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| who told you this ?
[2026-03-03 12:55:25] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| where do you even get your media
[2026-03-03 12:55:25] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| where do you even get your media
[2026-03-03 12:55:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| sure, and the right opportunities, and the right influences, and the right palce and time. There's a million potential knuths out there, but this one happened to get hte training. He's not unique, but he is experienced and skilled. Experience and skills are open to challenge
[2026-03-03 12:55:28] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| sure, and the right opportunities, and the right influences, and the right palce and time. There's a million potential knuths out there, but this one happened to get hte training. He's not unique, but he is experienced and skilled. Experience and skills are open to challenge
[2026-03-03 12:55:40] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| How?
[2026-03-03 12:55:41] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| How?
[2026-03-03 12:55:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| because 0x0 is 0
[2026-03-03 12:55:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| because 0x0 is 0
[2026-03-03 12:55:55] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| if it is indeed a force multiplier
[2026-03-03 12:55:55] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| if it is indeed a force multiplier
[2026-03-03 12:56:47] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Yeah
[2026-03-03 12:56:47] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Its a non zero force
[2026-03-03 12:56:47] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But it could be a non substantial force
[2026-03-03 12:56:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| substantial relative to the average tool user
[2026-03-03 12:56:47] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2026/02/24/ai-is-making-us-less-creative-but-theres-a-fix/
[2026-03-03 12:56:48] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Yeah
[2026-03-03 12:56:48] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Its a non zero force
[2026-03-03 12:56:48] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But it could be a non substantial force
[2026-03-03 12:56:48] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| substantial relative to the average tool user
[2026-03-03 12:56:48] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2026/02/24/ai-is-making-us-less-creative-but-theres-a-fix/
[2026-03-03 12:56:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| deli you're linking forbes articles im linking math papers
[2026-03-03 12:56:57] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| deli you're linking forbes articles im linking math papers
[2026-03-03 12:57:01] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this isnt a good look
[2026-03-03 12:57:01] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this isnt a good look
[2026-03-03 12:57:02] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Because of the cost of the prereq training required to get and know what uou want
[2026-03-03 12:57:02] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Because of the cost of the prereq training required to get and know what uou want
[2026-03-03 12:57:14] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| show me some data, not news
[2026-03-03 12:57:14] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| show me some data, not news
[2026-03-03 12:57:24] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| You linked news articles last time lmao
[2026-03-03 12:57:24] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| You linked news articles last time lmao
[2026-03-03 12:57:27] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Oh well
[2026-03-03 12:57:27] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Oh well
[2026-03-03 12:57:32] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| which one
[2026-03-03 12:57:32] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| which one
[2026-03-03 12:57:41] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is a pdf
[2026-03-03 12:57:42] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is a pdf
[2026-03-03 12:57:43] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/papers/claude-cycles.pdf
[2026-03-03 12:57:43] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/papers/claude-cycles.pdf
[2026-03-03 12:57:46] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Its not a serious thing
[2026-03-03 12:57:46] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Its not a serious thing
[2026-03-03 12:58:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i say that cause deli likes calling people out on the media metadata
[2026-03-03 12:58:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i say that cause deli likes calling people out on the media metadata
[2026-03-03 12:58:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| like shutting down the aesthetics discussion cause of JP
[2026-03-03 12:58:17] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| like shutting down the aesthetics discussion cause of JP
[2026-03-03 12:58:33] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| No comment
[2026-03-03 12:58:33] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| No comment
[2026-03-03 12:58:42] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I mean, if you bothered to read the article, you'd note that the source is Saeema Ahmed-Kristenson, a pretty well reknowned prof at exeter uni
[2026-03-03 12:58:42] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I mean, if you bothered to read the article, you'd note that the source is Saeema Ahmed-Kristenson, a pretty well reknowned prof at exeter uni
[2026-03-03 12:58:59] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Huh
[2026-03-03 12:58:59] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Huh
[2026-03-03 12:59:20] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Credentials? Pretty curious about that
[2026-03-03 12:59:21] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Credentials? Pretty curious about that
[2026-03-03 12:59:26] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://experts.exeter.ac.uk/34981-saeema-ahmedkristensen
[2026-03-03 12:59:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| https://experts.exeter.ac.uk/34981-saeema-ahmedkristensen
[2026-03-03 12:59:29] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Imma look that up lmao
[2026-03-03 12:59:29] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Imma look that up lmao
[2026-03-03 12:59:31] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Oh
[2026-03-03 12:59:31] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Oh
[2026-03-03 13:00:59] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Okay
[2026-03-03 13:00:59] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i cant even visit that site
[2026-03-03 13:00:59] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| can you link the original research?
[2026-03-03 13:00:59] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Interesting
[2026-03-03 13:01:06] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this research isnt even publicly shared
[2026-03-03 13:01:08] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Okay
[2026-03-03 13:01:08] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i cant even visit that site
[2026-03-03 13:01:08] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| can you link the original research?
[2026-03-03 13:01:08] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Interesting
[2026-03-03 13:01:08] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this research isnt even publicly shared
[2026-03-03 13:01:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im not paying for this chapter
[2026-03-03 13:01:17] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| im not paying for this chapter
[2026-03-03 13:01:21] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| free information smh
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[2026-03-03 13:11:51] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I agree with the result that AI doesn’t produce sufficiently diverse data
[2026-03-03 13:11:51] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I agree with the result that AI doesn’t produce sufficiently diverse data
[2026-03-03 13:12:02] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I don’t see how that correlates to “humans becoming less creative”
[2026-03-03 13:12:02] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I don’t see how that correlates to “humans becoming less creative”
[2026-03-03 13:12:23] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this claim requires analysis into neural structures that feel very much out of scope for this
[2026-03-03 13:12:23] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this claim requires analysis into neural structures that feel very much out of scope for this
[2026-03-03 13:12:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I should perhaps say "humanity" and by such I would refer to the society, not the race
[2026-03-03 13:12:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I should perhaps say "humanity" and by such I would refer to the society, not the race
[2026-03-03 13:12:39] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this implies AI is humanity lol
[2026-03-03 13:12:39] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this implies AI is humanity lol
[2026-03-03 13:12:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Well, it's part of society
[2026-03-03 13:12:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| humanity thus owns it
[2026-03-03 13:12:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Well, it's part of society
[2026-03-03 13:12:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| humanity thus owns it
[2026-03-03 13:12:59] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway
[2026-03-03 13:12:59] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| anyway
[2026-03-03 13:13:13] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but how is this affecting the cognitive diversity of the humans using it
[2026-03-03 13:13:13] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but how is this affecting the cognitive diversity of the humans using it
[2026-03-03 13:13:28] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i as you know am an AI power user and i don’t feel like my creativity has diminished
[2026-03-03 13:13:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i as you know am an AI power user and i don’t feel like my creativity has diminished
[2026-03-03 13:13:33] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| if anything i’m now unleashed
[2026-03-03 13:13:33] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| if anything i’m now unleashed
[2026-03-03 13:13:37] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| if we agree on the premise that ML is not sufficiently diverse, then we can posit that, by extension, if we rely on it for our ideas, *we* will be insufficient ourselves
[2026-03-03 13:13:37] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| if we agree on the premise that ML is not sufficiently diverse, then we can posit that, by extension, if we rely on it for our ideas, *we* will be insufficient ourselves
[2026-03-03 13:14:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| you are a minority in this respect - we have people doing things like using ML as an alarm clock
[2026-03-03 13:14:24] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I don’t follow this sequitur
[2026-03-03 13:14:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| and other such stupidities
[2026-03-03 13:14:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| you are a minority in this respect - we have people doing things like using ML as an alarm clock
[2026-03-03 13:14:32] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I don’t follow this sequitur
[2026-03-03 13:14:32] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| and other such stupidities
[2026-03-03 13:15:10] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| ML alone isn’t diverse enough but when paired with a sufficiently skilled user this problem massively decreases
[2026-03-03 13:15:10] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| ML alone isn’t diverse enough but when paired with a sufficiently skilled user this problem massively decreases
[2026-03-03 13:15:23] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| as proven by the novel mathematics produced above
[2026-03-03 13:15:23] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| as proven by the novel mathematics produced above
[2026-03-03 13:16:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| my point here is that whilst individual persons can be highly intelligent and innovative, people on the whole are a bit fucking stupid. The number of sufficiently skilled users here pales in comparison to the insufficiently skilled or educated - and this will be a particularly complex problem with the current *learning* generation who may find that, come adulthood, they have not  <clipped message>
[2026-03-03 13:16:15] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| my point here is that whilst individual persons can be highly intelligent and innovative, people on the whole are a bit fucking stupid. The number of sufficiently skilled users here pales in comparison to the insufficiently skilled or educated - and this will be a particularly complex problem with the current *learning* generation who may find that, come adulthood, they have not  <clipped message>
[2026-03-03 13:16:15] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| discovered how to satisfactorily innovate on their own
[2026-03-03 13:16:15] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| discovered how to satisfactorily innovate on their own
[2026-03-03 13:17:34] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Achievement get: triple exception
[2026-03-03 13:17:34] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Achievement get: triple exception
[2026-03-03 13:17:39] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| At least for me
[2026-03-03 13:17:39] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| At least for me
[2026-03-03 13:18:20] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| "why bother learning how to do it if the ML can do it for me" - agian, the precis being that it is almost impossible to learn just *one* skill at a time, instead skills generally being learned in groups. Learning how to carve, for example, also teaching the structural limits of the material, the tools, and then tangential skills such as interpreting the process of bringing a desi <clipped message>
[2026-03-03 13:18:20] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| "why bother learning how to do it if the ML can do it for me" - agian, the precis being that it is almost impossible to learn just *one* skill at a time, instead skills generally being learned in groups. Learning how to carve, for example, also teaching the structural limits of the material, the tools, and then tangential skills such as interpreting the process of bringing a desi <clipped message>
[2026-03-03 13:18:20] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| gn to fruition, learning patience, etcetera
[2026-03-03 13:18:20] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| gn to fruition, learning patience, etcetera
[2026-03-03 13:18:41] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| as soon as you start using emotive language “fucking stupid” i know this is not containing reason
[2026-03-03 13:18:41] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| as soon as you start using emotive language “fucking stupid” i know this is not containing reason
[2026-03-03 13:19:05] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Emotive language is part and parcel of my dialect, and I'm sorry you cannot see this
[2026-03-03 13:19:05] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Emotive language is part and parcel of my dialect, and I'm sorry you cannot see this
[2026-03-03 13:19:25] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I want to extract your personal biases from substance you have here
[2026-03-03 13:19:25] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I want to extract your personal biases from substance you have here
[2026-03-03 13:19:48] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it mostly feels hand wavey “humans are getting more stupid”
[2026-03-03 13:19:48] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it mostly feels hand wavey “humans are getting more stupid”
[2026-03-03 13:19:51] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Nobody does this. Personal biases shape how we interact with *everything*
[2026-03-03 13:19:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Nobody does this. Personal biases shape how we interact with *everything*
[2026-03-03 13:20:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Well science/philosophy has done a decent job so far at delineating reason from faith
[2026-03-03 13:20:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| Well science/philosophy has done a decent job so far at delineating reason from faith
[2026-03-03 13:20:54] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| even yourself. You may come up with evidence to support your... *support* of ML, but your position comes from your natural position of accelerationism
[2026-03-03 13:20:54] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| even yourself. You may come up with evidence to support your... *support* of ML, but your position comes from your natural position of accelerationism
[2026-03-03 13:21:05] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| at least tangentially
[2026-03-03 13:21:05] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| at least tangentially
[2026-03-03 13:21:09] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I agree people are on the whole not exceedingly open to new technologies, and this will hold them back
[2026-03-03 13:21:09] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I agree people are on the whole not exceedingly open to new technologies, and this will hold them back
[2026-03-03 13:21:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but this doesn’t feel unique to AI
[2026-03-03 13:21:16] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but this doesn’t feel unique to AI
[2026-03-03 13:21:33] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Well, I would argue that this depends entirely upon the technology
[2026-03-03 13:21:33] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Well, I would argue that this depends entirely upon the technology
[2026-03-03 13:21:54] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| accelerationism is a more practical downstream ism of more esoteric philosophical viewpoints that i won’t enumerate for fear of being called repetitive lol
[2026-03-03 13:21:54] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| accelerationism is a more practical downstream ism of more esoteric philosophical viewpoints that i won’t enumerate for fear of being called repetitive lol
[2026-03-03 13:21:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| if the technology comes with caveats, like phoning home or sucking up my personal information, it is worthless to me
[2026-03-03 13:21:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| if the technology comes with caveats, like phoning home or sucking up my personal information, it is worthless to me
[2026-03-03 13:22:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| But at the same time as embracing technology in a conditional fashion, I dislike the idea of forgetting everything of the past
[2026-03-03 13:22:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| But at the same time as embracing technology in a conditional fashion, I dislike the idea of forgetting everything of the past
[2026-03-03 13:22:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| That’s totally fair, i’m just here to remind you that these grievances are both not relevant and damaging your execution capabilities
[2026-03-03 13:22:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| That’s totally fair, i’m just here to remind you that these grievances are both not relevant and damaging your execution capabilities
[2026-03-03 13:22:54] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you know my view of the past, I absolutely don’t intend to forget it
[2026-03-03 13:22:54] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you know my view of the past, I absolutely don’t intend to forget it
[2026-03-03 13:23:08] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'll happily forget religion, for example, but I'd also far prefer a fence made of wood or iron compare to plastic, or plates of crockery than plastic
[2026-03-03 13:23:08] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I'll happily forget religion, for example, but I'd also far prefer a fence made of wood or iron compare to plastic, or plates of crockery than plastic
[2026-03-03 13:23:31] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| No in fact what I generally propose is that this technology like all others in the history of computing are outputs of enlightenment era thinkers coming to the correct conclusion “we can do better than this”
[2026-03-03 13:23:31] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| No in fact what I generally propose is that this technology like all others in the history of computing are outputs of enlightenment era thinkers coming to the correct conclusion “we can do better than this”
[2026-03-03 13:26:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Anyway, I would also argue that your position is irrational, and comes at the expense of the person. Which pretty much mirrors the positions we take on ML, hence my point - we both take our subjective opinion into play here, and that is partly our motivation for the positions we take themselves
[2026-03-03 13:26:51] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Anyway, I would also argue that your position is irrational, and comes at the expense of the person. Which pretty much mirrors the positions we take on ML, hence my point - we both take our subjective opinion into play here, and that is partly our motivation for the positions we take themselves
[2026-03-03 13:27:17] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| thus, nobody separates emotive from reason entirely
[2026-03-03 13:27:17] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| thus, nobody separates emotive from reason entirely
[2026-03-03 13:27:25] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| except nelg
[2026-03-03 13:27:26] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| except nelg
[2026-03-03 13:28:08] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| you mentioned philosophy - for a very long time, philosphy sought the *justification* of religion. That it has changed now is not a reflection of philosphy itself, but of the times in which we find ourslves
[2026-03-03 13:28:08] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| you mentioned philosophy - for a very long time, philosphy sought the *justification* of religion. That it has changed now is not a reflection of philosphy itself, but of the times in which we find ourslves
[2026-03-03 13:28:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| 100%
[2026-03-03 13:28:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| 100%
[2026-03-03 13:28:29] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| bleep bloop
[2026-03-03 13:28:29] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| bleep bloop
[2026-03-03 13:28:40] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| nelg is so emotional lol wdym
[2026-03-03 13:28:40] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| nelg is so emotional lol wdym
[2026-03-03 13:28:55] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| humour, syn
[2026-03-03 13:28:55] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| humour, syn
[2026-03-03 13:29:04] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| bleep bloop
[2026-03-03 13:29:04] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| bleep bloop
[2026-03-03 13:29:09] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| bleep bloop
[2026-03-03 13:29:09] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| bleep bloop
[2026-03-03 13:29:56] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| man i wish accelerationism was naturally found
[2026-03-03 13:29:56] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| man i wish accelerationism was naturally found
[2026-03-03 13:30:07] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| lol I wish it didn't exist
[2026-03-03 13:30:07] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| lol I wish it didn't exist
[2026-03-03 13:30:07] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| would make my missions a lot easier
[2026-03-03 13:30:07] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| would make my missions a lot easier
[2026-03-03 13:30:14] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, not entirely
[2026-03-03 13:30:14] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| well, not entirely
[2026-03-03 13:30:20] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I wish it was rahter more tempered
[2026-03-03 13:30:20] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I wish it was rahter more tempered
[2026-03-03 13:30:24] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i think the fear of change is more fundamentally human
[2026-03-03 13:30:24] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i think the fear of change is more fundamentally human
[2026-03-03 13:30:34] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Move slow and fix things
[2026-03-03 13:30:34] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Move slow and fix things
[2026-03-03 13:30:53] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| sometimes the fix is a new thing tho so
[2026-03-03 13:30:53] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| sometimes the fix is a new thing tho so
[2026-03-03 13:31:06] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| here, I'm *all* about warships in space
[2026-03-03 13:31:06] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| here, I'm *all* about warships in space
[2026-03-03 13:31:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| actually the older I get, the more hawkish I get
[2026-03-03 13:31:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| actually the older I get, the more hawkish I get
[2026-03-03 13:31:32] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| odd position to be in really
[2026-03-03 13:31:32] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| odd position to be in really
[2026-03-03 13:31:34] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Im happy with accelerationalisk
[2026-03-03 13:31:34] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Im happy with accelerationalisk
[2026-03-03 13:31:41] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But it better be wise
[2026-03-03 13:31:41] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But it better be wise
[2026-03-03 13:31:46] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you know my earliest professional interface with tech was in red team scenarios
[2026-03-03 13:31:46] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you know my earliest professional interface with tech was in red team scenarios
[2026-03-03 13:31:56] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| so what you're saying is
[2026-03-03 13:31:56] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| so what you're saying is
[2026-03-03 13:31:59] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| you were a script kiddie
[2026-03-03 13:31:59] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| you were a script kiddie
[2026-03-03 13:32:01] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the idea of limit testing being good for society is a part of me
[2026-03-03 13:32:01] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the idea of limit testing being good for society is a part of me
[2026-03-03 13:32:02] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| :D
[2026-03-03 13:32:02] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| :D
[2026-03-03 13:32:17] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you know i worked for GCHQ as an analyst right
[2026-03-03 13:32:17] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you know i worked for GCHQ as an analyst right
[2026-03-03 13:32:24] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I vaguely remember htis
[2026-03-03 13:32:24] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I vaguely remember htis
[2026-03-03 13:32:25] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i’m sure ur messing but just in case lol
[2026-03-03 13:32:25] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i’m sure ur messing but just in case lol
[2026-03-03 13:32:38] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| but I didn't have that in mind when I said that
[2026-03-03 13:32:38] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| but I didn't have that in mind when I said that
[2026-03-03 13:32:44] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| I was just poking a bit fun
[2026-03-03 13:32:44] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| I was just poking a bit fun
[2026-03-03 13:33:00] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| very fair
[2026-03-03 13:33:00] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| very fair
[2026-03-03 13:33:20] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but yeah i generally think we should all try break things more
[2026-03-03 13:33:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but yeah i generally think we should all try break things more
[2026-03-03 13:33:25] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| make society prove its resilience
[2026-03-03 13:33:25] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| make society prove its resilience
[2026-03-03 13:33:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| our foundations are not quite as firm as they would seem
[2026-03-03 13:33:34] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| our foundations are not quite as firm as they would seem
[2026-03-03 13:33:51] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| They'd be firmer if we moved slowly and fixed things :)
[2026-03-03 13:33:51] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| They'd be firmer if we moved slowly and fixed things :)
[2026-03-03 13:34:04] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| sure but this denies the ambition of men
[2026-03-03 13:34:04] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| sure but this denies the ambition of men
[2026-03-03 13:34:10] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and this is probably more dangerous
[2026-03-03 13:34:11] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and this is probably more dangerous
[2026-03-03 13:34:18] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| nah, innovation can come in the form of fixes
[2026-03-03 13:34:19] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| nah, innovation can come in the form of fixes
[2026-03-03 13:34:31] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| being idle is what's dangerous
[2026-03-03 13:34:31] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| being idle is what's dangerous
[2026-03-03 13:34:39] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| fixing the abacus would only take our mathematics so far
[2026-03-03 13:34:39] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| fixing the abacus would only take our mathematics so far
[2026-03-03 13:34:46] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| eventually new paradigms must be developed
[2026-03-03 13:34:46] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| eventually new paradigms must be developed
[2026-03-03 13:35:08] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i’m becoming quite attached to this abacus metaphor for traditional tools
[2026-03-03 13:35:09] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i’m becoming quite attached to this abacus metaphor for traditional tools
[2026-03-03 13:35:19] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it probably has holes
[2026-03-03 13:35:19] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it probably has holes
[2026-03-03 13:35:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| what would a fix look like though? Perhaps a new abacus that is smaller? Or an abacus that consists of rollers imprinted wiht numbers? These are thigns that happened
[2026-03-03 13:35:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| what would a fix look like though? Perhaps a new abacus that is smaller? Or an abacus that consists of rollers imprinted wiht numbers? These are thigns that happened
[2026-03-03 13:35:45] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| no, we would call those features instead of fixes
[2026-03-03 13:35:45] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| no, we would call those features instead of fixes
[2026-03-03 13:36:06] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| a fix ensures the original state is maintained right
[2026-03-03 13:36:06] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| a fix ensures the original state is maintained right
[2026-03-03 13:36:16] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| Not necessarily
[2026-03-03 13:36:16] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| Not necessarily
[2026-03-03 13:36:37] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| honestly, though, I don't thin kcherry picking here will prove or disprove anything. There's too many *things*
[2026-03-03 13:36:37] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| honestly, though, I don't thin kcherry picking here will prove or disprove anything. There's too many *things*
[2026-03-03 13:36:39] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Realistically speaking there could be a lot of costs bundled with breaking things
[2026-03-03 13:36:39] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Realistically speaking there could be a lot of costs bundled with breaking things
[2026-03-03 13:36:54] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| also regarding the history of computing i’ve shown you various documents that enumerate the invention procedure
[2026-03-03 13:36:54] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| also regarding the history of computing i’ve shown you various documents that enumerate the invention procedure
[2026-03-03 13:37:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and it wasn’t “improving the abacus”
[2026-03-03 13:37:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and it wasn’t “improving the abacus”
[2026-03-03 13:37:08] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| even if the outputs make it seem that way
[2026-03-03 13:37:09] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| even if the outputs make it seem that way
[2026-03-03 13:37:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yes indeed but we won’t know the costs if the risks/losses can’t be appropriately classified
[2026-03-03 13:37:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yes indeed but we won’t know the costs if the risks/losses can’t be appropriately classified
[2026-03-03 13:37:50] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and you can’t classify data that doesn’t exist
[2026-03-03 13:37:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| and you can’t classify data that doesn’t exist
[2026-03-03 13:38:12] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| You can make an educated guess
[2026-03-03 13:38:12] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| You can make an educated guess
[2026-03-03 13:38:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yep this is loss estimates in the insurance world
[2026-03-03 13:38:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yep this is loss estimates in the insurance world
[2026-03-03 13:38:31] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But yeah i would do the same thing deli would
[2026-03-03 13:38:31] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But yeah i would do the same thing deli would
[2026-03-03 13:38:35] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| they are not as educated as you would like
[2026-03-03 13:38:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| they are not as educated as you would like
[2026-03-03 13:38:40] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Do things slowly and carefully
[2026-03-03 13:38:40] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Do things slowly and carefully
[2026-03-03 13:39:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i have seen engineers pull “20%” out of their ass for what % of a TSI figure would be lost in the event of a fire
[2026-03-03 13:39:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i have seen engineers pull “20%” out of their ass for what % of a TSI figure would be lost in the event of a fire
[2026-03-03 13:39:12] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| insurance needs to be limit tested
[2026-03-03 13:39:12] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| insurance needs to be limit tested
[2026-03-03 13:39:23] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but lots of loss calculations are involved there so like, they’re on it
[2026-03-03 13:39:23] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but lots of loss calculations are involved there so like, they’re on it
[2026-03-03 13:40:17] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| We dont want to gamble on something that can have potentially horrific and adverse consequences now do we
[2026-03-03 13:40:17] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| We dont want to gamble on something that can have potentially horrific and adverse consequences now do we
[2026-03-03 13:40:52] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i’ve been placing prediction market bets on missile strikes
[2026-03-03 13:40:52] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i’ve been placing prediction market bets on missile strikes
[2026-03-03 13:40:58] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i will not answer that 🤣
[2026-03-03 13:40:58] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i will not answer that 🤣
[2026-03-03 13:41:23] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| lmao what
[2026-03-03 13:41:23] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| lmao what
[2026-03-03 13:41:29] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| that's actually disgusting
[2026-03-03 13:41:29] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| that's actually disgusting
[2026-03-03 13:41:49] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| morally i’m pretty neutral about it
[2026-03-03 13:41:49] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| morally i’m pretty neutral about it
[2026-03-03 13:42:10] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the proceeds of the market don’t go towards war
[2026-03-03 13:42:10] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the proceeds of the market don’t go towards war
[2026-03-03 13:42:17] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| did that school full of little girls appear in your predictions?
[2026-03-03 13:42:17] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| did that school full of little girls appear in your predictions?
[2026-03-03 13:42:30] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Could be worse
[2026-03-03 13:42:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Could be worse
[2026-03-03 13:42:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the one that is yet to be proven?
[2026-03-03 13:42:35] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the one that is yet to be proven?
[2026-03-03 13:42:52] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| of course it was fucking proven
[2026-03-03 13:42:52] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| of course it was fucking proven
[2026-03-03 13:42:52] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| People could be gambling on what wars break out where
[2026-03-03 13:42:52] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| People could be gambling on what wars break out where
[2026-03-03 13:43:01] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| how does monitoring the situation make me morally accountable lol
[2026-03-03 13:43:01] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| how does monitoring the situation make me morally accountable lol
[2026-03-03 13:43:27] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| monitoring? no. Betting on human tragedy? yes
[2026-03-03 13:43:27] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| monitoring? no. Betting on human tragedy? yes
[2026-03-03 13:43:29] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| gross
[2026-03-03 13:43:29] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| gross
[2026-03-03 13:43:34] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Thats far from monitoring man
[2026-03-03 13:43:34] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Thats far from monitoring man
[2026-03-03 13:43:40] <armagetronbridge> 06discord:lava| seriously
[2026-03-03 13:43:40] <armagetron-bridge> 06discord:lava| seriously
[2026-03-03 13:44:06] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Might as well send death threats to my house
[2026-03-03 13:44:06] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Might as well send death threats to my house
[2026-03-03 13:44:09] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| ??
[2026-03-03 13:44:09] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| ??
[2026-03-03 13:44:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you don’t even know the bets lmao
[2026-03-03 13:44:16] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you don’t even know the bets lmao
[2026-03-03 13:44:23] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i could be betting against damage
[2026-03-03 13:44:23] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i could be betting against damage
[2026-03-03 13:44:30] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Enlighten me then
[2026-03-03 13:44:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Enlighten me then
[2026-03-03 13:44:35] <armagetronbridge> 08discord:delinquent| irrelevant
[2026-03-03 13:44:35] <armagetron-bridge> 08discord:delinquent| irrelevant
[2026-03-03 13:44:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i’d love to hear the reasoning here
[2026-03-03 13:44:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i’d love to hear the reasoning here
[2026-03-03 13:44:58] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Laugh less explain more
[2026-03-03 13:44:58] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Laugh less explain more
[2026-03-03 13:45:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you know prediction markets are disconnected from the underlying event right
[2026-03-03 13:45:16] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you know prediction markets are disconnected from the underlying event right
[2026-03-03 13:45:22] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this would make for a fixed market
[2026-03-03 13:45:22] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this would make for a fixed market
[2026-03-03 13:45:31] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| No
[2026-03-03 13:45:31] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| No
[2026-03-03 13:45:43] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Im not an economics major lmao
[2026-03-03 13:45:43] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Im not an economics major lmao
[2026-03-03 13:46:00] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| so hold your moral outrage without reason please
[2026-03-03 13:46:00] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| so hold your moral outrage without reason please
[2026-03-03 13:46:12] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Hmmm
[2026-03-03 13:46:12] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Hmmm
[2026-03-03 13:46:29] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| We can have a reason or two
[2026-03-03 13:46:29] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| We can have a reason or two
[2026-03-03 13:46:33] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| As a treat
[2026-03-03 13:46:33] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| As a treat
[2026-03-03 13:46:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| go on then
[2026-03-03 13:46:38] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| go on then
[2026-03-03 13:47:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the truth is i haven’t actually bet on this market
[2026-03-03 13:47:28] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| the truth is i haven’t actually bet on this market
[2026-03-03 13:47:34] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but not because i was morally against it
[2026-03-03 13:47:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| but not because i was morally against it
[2026-03-03 13:47:50] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Unless the predictions live in fucking narnia i sure as fuck cant trust that info to not break out and do whatever the fuck info leaks do
[2026-03-03 13:47:50] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Unless the predictions live in fucking narnia i sure as fuck cant trust that info to not break out and do whatever the fuck info leaks do
[2026-03-03 13:48:03] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| wat
[2026-03-03 13:48:03] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| wat
[2026-03-03 13:48:16] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| if anything
[2026-03-03 13:48:16] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| if anything
[2026-03-03 13:48:24] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| they are useful leaked?
[2026-03-03 13:48:24] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| they are useful leaked?
[2026-03-03 13:48:42] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| do you not want to know if people think a missile is headed your way?
[2026-03-03 13:48:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| do you not want to know if people think a missile is headed your way?
[2026-03-03 13:48:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is super off topic at this point
[2026-03-03 13:48:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is super off topic at this point
[2026-03-03 13:49:05] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Then why bet on it at all
[2026-03-03 13:49:05] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Then why bet on it at all
[2026-03-03 13:49:15] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Why not just leak it
[2026-03-03 13:49:15] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Why not just leak it
[2026-03-03 13:49:28] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it’s not a “leak”
[2026-03-03 13:49:28] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| it’s not a “leak”
[2026-03-03 13:49:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you can find all kinds of markets on polymarket
[2026-03-03 13:49:35] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you can find all kinds of markets on polymarket
[2026-03-03 13:49:47] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| all public, free to enter
[2026-03-03 13:49:47] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| all public, free to enter
[2026-03-03 13:49:59] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| well, besides your bet of course
[2026-03-03 13:49:59] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| well, besides your bet of course
[2026-03-03 13:50:33] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| or maybe you are positing something like this
[2026-03-03 13:50:33] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| or maybe you are positing something like this
[2026-03-03 13:50:57] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| “if you have knowledge that a strike is going to happen, it’s more morally appropriate to share that with the intended victims rather than bet on it”
[2026-03-03 13:50:57] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| “if you have knowledge that a strike is going to happen, it’s more morally appropriate to share that with the intended victims rather than bet on it”
[2026-03-03 13:51:15] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is true but i naturally don’t have knowledge like this
[2026-03-03 13:51:15] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this is true but i naturally don’t have knowledge like this
[2026-03-03 13:51:39] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I have some off the shelf OSINT tools that everyone else has too
[2026-03-03 13:51:40] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I have some off the shelf OSINT tools that everyone else has too
[2026-03-03 13:53:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Not really everyone but eh thats just missing your point
[2026-03-03 13:53:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Not really everyone but eh thats just missing your point
[2026-03-03 13:53:50] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yeah i mean they’re as free and accessible as an internet hosted tool can be i suppose
[2026-03-03 13:53:50] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yeah i mean they’re as free and accessible as an internet hosted tool can be i suppose
[2026-03-03 13:54:34] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://www.airnavradar.com/
[2026-03-03 13:54:34] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://www.airnavradar.com/
[2026-03-03 13:54:35] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://www.marinetraffic.com/
[2026-03-03 13:54:35] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://www.marinetraffic.com/
[2026-03-03 13:54:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/
[2026-03-03 13:54:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/
[2026-03-03 13:54:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| etc
[2026-03-03 13:54:38] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| etc
[2026-03-03 13:54:39] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| good sites
[2026-03-03 13:54:39] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| good sites
[2026-03-03 13:55:01] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Even if you assume ideal conditions youre still potentially benefitting from the suffering of others
[2026-03-03 13:55:01] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Even if you assume ideal conditions youre still potentially benefitting from the suffering of others
[2026-03-03 13:55:57] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Assuming youre allowed to bet on a strike being true
[2026-03-03 13:55:57] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Assuming youre allowed to bet on a strike being true
[2026-03-03 13:56:13] <armagetronbridge> 02discord:vllis| arent we all?
[2026-03-03 13:56:13] <armagetron-bridge> 02discord:vllis| arent we all?
[2026-03-03 13:56:22] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Aye
[2026-03-03 13:56:23] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Aye
[2026-03-03 13:56:41] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yeah that strikes me as hard to avoid
[2026-03-03 13:56:41] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| yeah that strikes me as hard to avoid
[2026-03-03 13:56:45] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| But theres a degree to it is it not
[2026-03-03 13:56:45] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| But theres a degree to it is it not
[2026-03-03 13:56:54] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| most of the world i live in in London is the result of some form of exploit
[2026-03-03 13:56:54] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| most of the world i live in in London is the result of some form of exploit
[2026-03-03 13:57:20] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i’m not sure i’m morally required to do much about about this
[2026-03-03 13:57:20] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i’m not sure i’m morally required to do much about about this
[2026-03-03 13:57:52] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| so it’s ok to bet against it, but not for it?
[2026-03-03 13:57:52] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| so it’s ok to bet against it, but not for it?
[2026-03-03 13:58:00] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this would create not very useful information
[2026-03-03 13:58:00] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this would create not very useful information
[2026-03-03 13:58:21] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| if we are using the theory that prediction markets and insurance are emerging sources of “truth” for loss
[2026-03-03 13:58:21] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| if we are using the theory that prediction markets and insurance are emerging sources of “truth” for loss
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[2026-03-03 14:03:12] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| It sure feels like im high anyways
[2026-03-03 14:03:32] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i made it home and now i’m watching the 2026 Thai TukTuk grand prix
[2026-03-03 14:03:57] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| are these popular where you’re at?
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[2026-03-03 14:05:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Nope
[2026-03-03 14:05:18] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Nope
[2026-03-03 14:05:25] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Im a hermit anyways
[2026-03-03 14:05:25] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Im a hermit anyways
[2026-03-03 14:06:05] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this surprise me
[2026-03-03 14:06:05] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this surprise me
[2026-03-03 14:06:13] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| kinda assumed they were all over south asia
[2026-03-03 14:06:13] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| kinda assumed they were all over south asia
[2026-03-03 14:06:29] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| they look fun to drive
[2026-03-03 14:06:29] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| they look fun to drive
[2026-03-03 14:07:39] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Tuktuks in general?
[2026-03-03 14:07:39] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Tuktuks in general?
[2026-03-03 14:08:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Yeah theyre a thing here
[2026-03-03 14:08:18] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| ye
[2026-03-03 14:08:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Theyre a thing but idk about popularity
[2026-03-03 14:08:18] <armagetronbridge> 14discord:submari| Its enough to be a thing you just brush past
[2026-03-03 14:08:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Yeah theyre a thing here
[2026-03-03 14:08:30] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| ye
[2026-03-03 14:08:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Theyre a thing but idk about popularity
[2026-03-03 14:08:30] <armagetron-bridge> 14discord:submari| Its enough to be a thing you just brush past
[2026-03-03 14:14:10] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| racing them is chaos
[2026-03-03 14:14:22] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| racing them is chaos
[2026-03-03 14:17:15] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| @northernscrub re that specific strike on a school
[2026-03-03 14:17:15] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| @northernscrub re that specific strike on a school
[2026-03-03 14:17:22] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| do you have anything concrete?
[2026-03-03 14:17:22] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| do you have anything concrete?
[2026-03-03 14:17:27] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i’ve been looking but can’t find
[2026-03-03 14:17:27] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i’ve been looking but can’t find
[2026-03-03 14:17:36] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1478471421108813954/v24025gl0000d6jerbfog65g4mdbjlg0.mov?ex=69a8854f&is=69a733cf&hm=48bda59561e74c773c69db97ea20e2e21104895991f0361e0f642d04f2df609b&
[2026-03-03 14:17:36] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1478471421108813954/v24025gl0000d6jerbfog65g4mdbjlg0.mov?ex=69a8854f&is=69a733cf&hm=48bda59561e74c773c69db97ea20e2e21104895991f0361e0f642d04f2df609b&
[2026-03-03 14:17:44] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| DOW about as expressive as one would expect
[2026-03-03 14:17:44] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| DOW about as expressive as one would expect
[2026-03-03 14:19:11] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i must say doing any sort of social media browsing for this stuff is now an absolutely awful experience with AI
[2026-03-03 14:19:12] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| i must say doing any sort of social media browsing for this stuff is now an absolutely awful experience with AI
[2026-03-03 14:19:31] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| practically every video i’ve seen today has been AI
[2026-03-03 14:19:31] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| practically every video i’ve seen today has been AI
[2026-03-03 14:20:40] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I’m interested, and not convinced, on what this is doing to humanities consciousness at large. I remain stalwart about the productivity gains on the whole.
[2026-03-03 14:20:40] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| I’m interested, and not convinced, on what this is doing to humanities consciousness at large. I remain stalwart about the productivity gains on the whole.
[2026-03-03 14:23:38] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://x.com/mntruell/status/2028903020847841336?s=46
[2026-03-03 14:23:38] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| https://x.com/mntruell/status/2028903020847841336?s=46
[2026-03-03 14:23:42] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| 43 mins ago
[2026-03-03 14:23:42] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| 43 mins ago
[2026-03-03 14:25:08] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you see the skill of orchestrating AI is becoming a whole discipline in itself
[2026-03-03 14:25:08] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| you see the skill of orchestrating AI is becoming a whole discipline in itself
[2026-03-03 14:25:21] <armagetronbridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this will be important to master for the tools of the future
[2026-03-03 14:25:21] <armagetron-bridge> 07discord:syn_acc| this will be important to master for the tools of the future
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[2026-03-03 16:39:36] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:ℜ𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔬:Player51| 🙃
[2026-03-03 16:39:37] <armagetronbridge> 10discord:ℜ𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔬:Player51| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1478507098915733608/image.png?ex=69a8a689&is=69a75509&hm=6542152902ca6a9e4a4445aecf27154af9af083ca3c38bf6ac331efbdb99c537&
[2026-03-03 16:39:53] <armagetron-bridge> 10discord:ℜ𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔬:Player51| 🙃
[2026-03-03 16:39:53] <armagetron-bridge> 10discord:ℜ𝔢𝔱𝔯𝔬:Player51| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209759416604426242/1478507098915733608/image.png?ex=69a8a689&is=69a75509&hm=6542152902ca6a9e4a4445aecf27154af9af083ca3c38bf6ac331efbdb99c537&
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[2026-03-03 18:44:38] <Lucifer_arma> hahahaha.  I finally get "all" the ini files switched to xml, except for the one that started off using python's configparser, which got rewritten to use my own ini parser, which I've now scrapped
[2026-03-03 18:44:38] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| hahahaha.  I finally get "all" the ini files switched to xml, except for the one that started off using python's configparser, which got rewritten to use my own ini parser, which I've now scrapped
[2026-03-03 18:44:50] <Lucifer_arma> so now I have to rewrite it back to use python's configparser
[2026-03-03 18:44:51] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| so now I have to rewrite it back to use python's configparser
[2026-03-03 18:45:50] <Lucifer_arma> well, it had some serious issues before, so I'll just redesign the config object to make some damn sense this time
[2026-03-03 18:45:50] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| well, it had some serious issues before, so I'll just redesign the config object to make some damn sense this time
[2026-03-03 18:46:02] <Lucifer_arma> Might as well, since I have everything else ripped open.
[2026-03-03 18:46:02] <armagetronbridge> 10irc:Lucifer_arma| Might as well, since I have everything else ripped open.
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