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[2020-07-25 00:04:24] <Lucifer_arma> why does my web browser download this url quickly, but python3's urllib is taking forever?
[2020-07-25 00:33:10] <Lucifer_arma> aha!  I was being ignored because my user-agent was a default python useragent :)
[2020-07-25 04:04:52] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1621 Change default camera to custom... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1620 Renamed function: nObserverPtr::GetPointer -> get...
[2020-07-25 05:05:12] <Lucifer_arma> this logic is killing me
[2020-07-25 05:05:39] <Lucifer_arma> I need to be able to check if it's after start_time or before end_time to make sure the script only does work during particular times of the day
[2020-07-25 05:05:51] <Lucifer_arma> the catch is: start_time is in the evening, and end_time is in the morning
[2020-07-25 05:06:31] <Lucifer_arma> but I need the code to be general-purpose, so I can change the configuration to anything I want
[2020-07-25 05:06:50] <Lucifer_arma> so it could be 2am-6am, or it could be 6pm-8am
[2020-07-25 05:07:27] <Lucifer_arma> and for some reason, testing this is putting a little monkey wrench in my brain and making everything come screeching to a halt
[2020-07-25 05:09:30] <Lucifer_arma> actual input format is 24-hour
[2020-07-25 05:09:50] <Lucifer_arma> so, 00:00-23:59 range, I suppose
[2020-07-25 07:35:14] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: my math brain tells me that just (time < start_time) XOR (time < end_time) XOR (start_time < end_time) gives something
[2020-07-25 07:37:06] <Z-Man> Or better (start_time < time) XOR (time < end_time) XOR (start_time < end_time), that's easier to reason about. Should be true whenever your thing is supposed to be on.
[2020-07-25 07:39:18] <Z-Man> guru3 is not wrong. I always just let the other guy pass, turn around to follow him, then cut him off, but of course I played that opening a hundred times now.
[2020-07-25 07:42:23] <Z-Man> Armanelgtron: The storage location change is on purpose, it would be weird to have the game store its data under some other name. At least for newcomers. We could make it so that if the retrocycles directory does not yet exists, it checks for the corresponding armagetronad one and uses that. Then veterans would not have to juggle configurations.
[2020-07-25 07:42:47] <Z-Man> The file/URI associations would still use armagetronad based names. The recording playback I added on the alpha branch yesterday is still for .aarec files.
[2020-07-25 07:43:47] <Z-Man> The URI one using --connect would still listen to armagetronad://, then. As you say, would not make sense otherwise.
[2020-07-25 07:44:15] <Z-Man> Armanelgtron: Yeah, I haven't found a native way to give a Steam game command line arguments on the fly.
[2020-07-25 07:45:16] <Z-Man> The two options are: Configure command line arguments in the UI. Those are permanent. Not a good fit for anything but forcing windowed mode or similar configuration based arguments.
[2020-07-25 07:45:46] <Z-Man> Or launch the game without invoking Steam. Which is what the .aarec association does.
[2020-07-25 07:46:59] <Z-Man> But telling steam to launch the game wirth appID X, command line options Y and maybe beta branch Z? No dice.
[2020-07-25 07:48:05] <Z-Man> The only thing I found is a command line option that lets you (permanently?) opt out of any beta branch.
[2020-07-25 07:48:47] <Z-Man> Steam is not very good at launching.
[2020-07-25 07:50:21] <Armanelgtron> hmm, so what about the missing c in "Retroycles"?
[2020-07-25 07:52:22] <Z-Man> Also, when you register different launch options in SteamWorks, the user then always gets presented a choice between them. You may have noticed that I included the server in every installation. But it's not configured to launch in any way because of this problem, everyone would be presented with this choice.
[2020-07-25 07:56:30] <Armanelgtron> also, I must have tried to launch the binary directly last time or something; the shell script seems to load the correct user data
[2020-07-25 07:57:34] <Armanelgtron> which I assume the shell script is what steam launches anyway?
[2020-07-25 07:59:23] <Z-Man> MISSING C? Dammit.
[2020-07-25 08:08:13] <Z-Man> Install folder is fixed, but only for new installations.
[2020-07-25 08:11:47] <Z-Man> Mine was still in "Armacycles", heh. Uninstalling and reinstalling updated it now.
[2020-07-25 08:17:05] <Z-Man> Oh, the URI connect handler thingie is only possible on Windows in Steam. On Linux, we'd need the launch wrapper script do do the job, which is a bit icky.
[2020-07-25 10:44:31] <Z-Man> One more reason why doing anything fancy like adding bindings would be bad on the Steam release: On Linux, it is meant to work only through Steam. Only when launched via Steam, it gets provided all the libraries. Unlike AppImages or Zero Install, I don't bother adding SDL and the like to the installation.
[2020-07-25 10:45:10] <Z-Man> It works by chance for you, because of course you already have those libraries on your system. But that's not true for everyone.
[2020-07-25 14:06:44] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1622 Merge: Playback simplification... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] Make --playback argument optional... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] Add multipass command line analysis... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] Mark command line parser overrides as such
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[2020-07-25 21:40:13] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: ahh, but what if start_time > end_time?  That's actually the standard use case.  It's a stock market history retrieval script that should only operate when the markets are closed.
[2020-07-25 21:41:12] <Lucifer_arma> I slept on it and I have a new approach where I figure I'll just check the two cases.  If start_time > end_time, do one thing, and otherwise do the other thing
[2020-07-25 21:41:48] <Lucifer_arma> the only catch is that I have to check now against both to determine if I should use start_time from yesterday, or start_time from today and end_time from tomorrow to get my time interval
[2020-07-25 21:42:29] <Lucifer_arma> wait a minute, I just thought through what you wrote again

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