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[2020-07-18 01:18:36] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: it's gotten so weirdly contradictory, it's mind boggling
[2020-07-18 01:19:04] <Lucifer_arma> We say Black Lives Matter, they respond with All Lives Matter, but I have a right not to wear a mask!
[2020-07-18 01:19:25] <Lucifer_arma> Antifa is this supposed organized group that hates America because it's anti-fascist?  WHAT?
[2020-07-18 01:19:34] <Lucifer_arma> (It's not an organized group, at that)
[2020-07-18 01:20:22] <Lucifer_arma> In Rush Limbaugh's rant, he was using the Donner party as an example of people "adapting" to changing situations
[2020-07-18 01:20:35] <Lucifer_arma> And here I thought wearing a mask and social distancing were adaptations to a changing situation
[2020-07-18 01:23:05] <Lucifer_arma> Also, the Donner party got conned by someone who promised to lead them to the promised land, then basically abandoned them along the way
[2020-07-18 01:23:12] <Lucifer_arma> So I can see the parallels here
[2020-07-18 01:23:48] <Lucifer_arma> The newest one I'm seeing is people saying the BlackLivesMatter organization is Marxist
[2020-07-18 01:24:17] <Lucifer_arma> which isn't exactly wrong.  I mean, at the core of socialism and communism is the idea that workers should own the value of what they make, and be equal politically
[2020-07-18 01:25:06] <Lucifer_arma> But 70 years' worth of Cold War conditioning has the average American convinced that socialism/marxism/communism are all about the totalitarian stuff
[2020-07-18 01:25:24] <Lucifer_arma> and European-style democratic socialism isn't taking root for a lot of people because it's, well, european
[2020-07-18 01:25:45] <Lucifer_arma> NotInventedHere syndrome strikes again!
[2020-07-18 06:14:56] <Z-Man> Confederate Flag: Free speech, clearly. BLM written on the street? A disgrace!
[2020-07-18 06:15:26] <Z-Man> Yeah, I was thinking that keeping bars closed was a smart way of adapting, but what do I know?
[2020-07-18 06:26:13] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: Our socialim-light also runs counter to FREEDOM. We have to pay for medicare and unemployment insurance and pension funds (not really funds, but no matter) whether we want to or not. As long as we're employed, that is. Freelancers can do whatever they want.
[2020-07-18 06:27:30] <Z-Man> Armanelgtron: yeah, the hack-* branches usually would be forks. They're in the main repo only because they're still synced with bzr and it was way easier to set that up in a single repo. Lazyness, basically.
[2020-07-18 06:29:25] <Z-Man> The intention behind having them in the first place is to give you guys a starting off point to switch to git, in your own forks then. Where you'd move hack* to master/trunk, then we'd delete the hack* branches and switch off syncing.
[2020-07-18 06:31:10] <Z-Man> Lauchpad's web UI constantly, and I mean that, gives me timeout errors after 5 seconds. It seems to follow the philosophy that if it's overloaded, it's best to fail fast, and only those really invested in what they were doing will refresh.
[2020-07-18 07:32:25] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1613 Update author replacements to what is found in trunk || [0.2.8.3-armagetronad-work] r1316 Add comment on clearenv being optional || [0.4-armagetronad] r3164 Add test for exp10, use result...
[2020-07-18 07:52:07] <Armanelgtron> oooh yeah, the constant timeouts can get annoying...
[2020-07-18 08:02:30] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.4-armagetronad] r3166 Remove illegal dereference of potential null pointer... || [0.4-armagetronad] r3165 Merge from legacy_0.2.8 || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1614 Add .get() method to smart pointers...
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[2020-07-18 09:35:10] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
[2020-07-18 09:35:10] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
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[2020-07-18 09:35:13] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
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[2020-07-18 18:20:42] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
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[2020-07-18 18:20:47] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
[2020-07-18 18:34:44] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1139 Merge from 0.2.8 || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] r1138 Merge from lp:~z-man/armagetronad/0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1616 Add comment on merge conflict resolution
[2020-07-18 20:31:19] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: ironically enough, we pay all those taxes too (including worker's compensation for injuries sustained at work), they're just much more hidden.
[2020-07-18 20:31:48] <Lucifer_arma> We see the social security and medicare taxes on our pay stubs (as well as the normal federal income tax), but the other taxes are taxed directly onto businesses
[2020-07-18 20:32:09] <Lucifer_arma> If you don't pay *those* taxes (there's like 12 of them, on average), then you're not allowed to do business in a state
[2020-07-18 20:32:24] <Lucifer_arma> they're generally paid at the state level, as well, so they can vary quite a bit from state to state
[2020-07-18 20:33:08] <Lucifer_arma> the way we pay for them, as consumers, of course, is that these are treated as expenses by the businesses, they're write-offs on their federal taxes (meaning the federal government ends up paying them anyway), and they're figured into the price of retail goods and services
[2020-07-18 20:33:58] <Lucifer_arma> literally, the only thing the average european has that the average american doesn't is healthcare, near as I can tell.  Everything else we like to directly compare is really a matter of degrees.
[2020-07-18 20:34:36] <Lucifer_arma> How much money does Germany spend on infrastructure?  How much paid time off are your employers required to give you?  At what point do you get overtime pay?  Etc.
[2020-07-18 20:35:01] <Lucifer_arma> meaning, we already have our own form of american socialism, it's been slipped in behind the mirror where the conservatives don't see it
[2020-07-18 20:36:26] <Lucifer_arma> But really, at a certain point, none of THAT even matters
[2020-07-18 20:36:48] <Lucifer_arma> You know those Lost Cause southern boys?  You know, the ones that say the confederacy had a right to rebel against the government?
[2020-07-18 20:37:30] <Lucifer_arma> Now that there are federal agents in Portland, Oregon rounding up protestors from unmarked vehicles in unmarked uniforms, those same Lost Cause jerks are saying things like "Good for them!  They're just looters and vandals!  Round them up!"
[2020-07-18 20:38:12] <Lucifer_arma> This is how we know those people are just racist.  They say the civil war was about states' rights, but when the governor of Oregon orders the federal troops out of the state, the Lost Cause people are like "No!  The feds have to crack down on this!"
[2020-07-18 20:40:02] <Lucifer_arma> Can we just hurry up and get to the election?  As of right now, Biden's starting number in the electoral college is like 308, meaning he's already sowed it up.  Let's just get it done and kick Trump out of office.
[2020-07-18 20:40:30] <Lucifer_arma> It's amazing the number of conservatives who want things back to normal that don't realize the last time we had "normal" was when that Black dude was president.
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[2020-07-18 21:35:21] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Add comment on merge conflict resolution || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Merge from legacy_0.2.8.3 || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Handle dashes in version number for Debian builds... || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Add docker build cache folder to .bzrignore || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Add .get() method to smart pointers... || [0.2.9-armagetronad-sty+ct+ap] Update author r
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