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[2020-04-29 00:07:16] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: the spying concern isn't a corporate bigwig, it's someone else in the addicts' lives, like a mother or a spouse or something.  It's one of the consequences of going online and using anonymity to protect privacy.
[2020-04-29 00:08:00] <Lucifer_arma> we have a similar problem in Arma, but it works very differently in a game environment than in a recovery support group environment.  Here, there's the obvious concern of a parent spying on their kid to make sure they behave,
[2020-04-29 00:08:36] <Lucifer_arma> but the anonymity protecting the parent in this case is a Feature, not a Bug.  In an addict support group where people get very vulnerable and discuss things that it's better their family/friends not know, you have to keep those people out
[2020-04-29 00:09:24] <Lucifer_arma> online anonymity enables those family and friends to spy, whereas in-person anonymity filters them at the door.  We're not even supposed to divulge the identities of people who show up to meetings.
[2020-04-29 00:10:05] <Lucifer_arma> So, like, if someone in a meeting I'm at turns out to be the CEO of Lyft, I don't get to tell all my friends that the CEO of Lyft is a heroin addict who's done [whatever they said they did while in the meeting]
[2020-04-29 00:11:41] <Lucifer_arma> so it's possible right now for my mom to look up local recovery dharma groups in Austin, where the meeting information for zoom is posted in an easily accessible place (I think), and start attending meetings without a webcam to hide her identity
[2020-04-29 00:12:08] <Lucifer_arma> if I were also attending the online meetings (I'm not, because of these exact privacy concerns), she'd find me sooner or later and get to spy on me
[2020-04-29 00:12:12] <Lucifer_arma> that would be very problematic
[2020-04-29 00:13:01] <Lucifer_arma> so the question, then, is essentially the same as with armathentication, but different, at the same time: how do we keep out people who would use the privileged information you can get at in this way to hurt the people who actually attend the meetings?
[2020-04-29 00:14:00] <Lucifer_arma> (It's not as well-protected in the US as the spouse privilege, let alone the level of protection the lawyer/client, doctor/client, etc relationships get, but much of the "privilege" status of the recovery meetings revolve around them being anonymous)
[2020-04-29 00:14:51] <Lucifer_arma> Basically, if I get subpoena'd to testify in a case involving a member of my group, I can cite the anonymity agreement, and there's a strong chance I won't be required to testify
[2020-04-29 00:15:23] <Lucifer_arma> but again, when you take this meeting online, someone can record the meeting, and if that gets subpoena'd, there's no stopping it.  It's give up the recording or go to jail.
[2020-04-29 00:15:53] <Lucifer_arma> I think I just talked myself out of ever attending an online support group meeting, and at the same time out of providing an online component to an in-person meeting
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