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[2020-04-01 16:20:43] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.4-armagetronad] r3126 Do not filter away -Werror=xxx style command line arguments
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[2020-04-03 00:12:00] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
[2020-04-03 00:12:00] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
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[2020-04-03 00:12:01] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
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[2020-04-04 05:56:14] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
[2020-04-04 05:56:14] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
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[2020-04-04 05:56:16] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
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[2020-04-04 06:42:38] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
[2020-04-04 06:42:38] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
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[2020-04-04 08:40:54] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
[2020-04-04 08:40:54] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
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[2020-04-04 11:05:10] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.8.3-armagetronad-work] r1259 If there already is a configure, do not run bootstrap...
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[2020-04-04 11:32:22] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
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[2020-04-04 12:05:21] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.4-armagetronad] r3130 Avoid deprecated protobuf function... || [0.4-armagetronad] r3129 Fix gcc 9.3 warnings... || [0.4-armagetronad] r3128 Fix gcc 9.3 warnings... || [0.4-armagetronad] r3127 Here, too: Find working Python interpreter...
[2020-04-04 13:05:29] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.4-armagetronad] r3131 Better: Only use ByteSizeLong() if available...
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[2020-04-04 23:10:34] <Lucifer_arma> UK:  Some rich cunt who inherited her dad's job is going to give a rare speech about coronavirus

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[2020-04-05 07:36:49] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: Still, she's probably more qualified than the elected people :) How is the quest for a RV going?
[2020-04-05 07:39:45] <Z-Man> On the plus side of everything, I hope nobody is going to abuse the term "Exponential Growth" for a decade or two to just mean "Fast Growth". I guess everybody understands now that "exponential" means you don't notice it for a while, then you notice it, and a week later you get overwhelmed. Brains wired for math are weird.
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[2020-04-05 12:09:47] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.8.3-armagetronad-work] r1260 Make definition of DATE_FMT survive autoconf/automake...
[2020-04-05 12:39:52] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.4-armagetronad] r3132 Merge 0.2.8 into 0.4 || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1535 Merge 0.2.8.3 into 0.2.8
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[2020-04-05 20:51:55] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: I have the RV in my possession, but still don't have the title.  I have some work to finish before the barter will be complete.
[2020-04-05 20:52:21] <Lucifer_arma> I still have to find a generator for it, get it cleaned up, particularly get the water tanks cleaned, determine if the propane system is leaking or not, etc.
[2020-04-05 20:53:24] <Lucifer_arma> it's basic shelter if I need it, but shouldn't be far from hot and cold running water.  I'll need the generator to get cold AC, assuming the AC units work.  They're the original, and the thing is 30 years old.
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[2020-04-05 21:16:18] <Lucifer_arma> and before any europeans chime in to say AC is a luxury, don't forget that your dangerous heat wave from awhile back is normal springtime in Texas :)

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[2020-04-06 17:46:49] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
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[2020-04-08 01:50:22] <Lucifer_arma> me: Did you drink the rest of the root beer?
[2020-04-08 01:50:32] <Lucifer_arma> her (knowing she drank the rest of it): I had A glass
[2020-04-08 01:50:48] <Lucifer_arma> now, in many relationships, this is funny, or it can at least be shrugged off
[2020-04-08 01:51:02] <Lucifer_arma> but that's because in most relationships, when it really matters, both people step up and take responsibility
[2020-04-08 01:51:22] <Lucifer_arma> in this one, though, that same exchange directly mirrors a similar (hypothetical) exchange:
[2020-04-08 01:51:30] <Lucifer_arma> me: Did you pay the cell phone bill?
[2020-04-08 01:51:48] <Lucifer_arma> her (knowing she didn't pay it): My phone still works fine.
[2020-04-08 01:52:29] <Lucifer_arma> if you can't take responsibility for what you have done, and you're not going to take responsibility for what you are going to do, then how in the hell can you expect anything to ever change?
[2020-04-08 01:52:57] <Lucifer_arma> when there are problems, regardless of their source, and you're not going to own the solution, then how can the problems be solved?
[2020-04-08 01:53:15] <Lucifer_arma> "partners" *never* means one person does everything and the other one sits around and plays on their phone
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[2020-04-09 19:06:04] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 5000/12
[2020-04-09 19:06:04] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 416.666666667
[2020-04-09 19:10:34] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 430*12
[2020-04-09 19:10:34] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 5160
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[2020-04-11 17:06:19] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
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[2020-04-14 19:53:25] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 220 * 12
[2020-04-14 19:53:26] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 2640
[2020-04-14 19:53:50] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 220 * 12 * 2
[2020-04-14 19:53:50] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 5280
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[2020-04-15 10:27:31] <Z-Man> ]math calc 4739506824105279684539450231824 + 3284190562794518637041532768392
[2020-04-15 10:27:32] <ljrbot> Z-Man: 8023697386899798116778731634688
[2020-04-15 10:27:44] <Z-Man> (Z-Gir's homework)
[2020-04-15 10:28:17] <Z-Man> Z-Wife tried to use her calculator :)
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[2020-04-18 14:48:30] * Z-Man starts to VMs with the same MAC address and wonders why network connections are unreliable
[2020-04-18 14:48:38] <Z-Man> s/to/two/
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[2020-04-19 09:19:57] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.8-build_codeblocks-work] r29 Find correct code::blocks exe, simplify build.
[2020-04-19 11:43:11] <Z-Man> Holy osoletion, Batman! We're still relying on files from SVN for Windows builds (the Installers).
[2020-04-19 11:50:24] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [armagetronad-gitbzr-scripts] r35 Add code::blocks module
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[2020-04-19 15:51:08] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.8-build_codeblocks-work] r30 Copy over installation builder files from build_visualc...
[2020-04-19 17:21:26] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.8-build_codeblocks-work] r31 Remove unwanted files from result
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[2020-04-23 06:58:44] <fujipop> hey
[2020-04-23 07:00:30] <fujipop> I have a quick question about where to put maps on my linux server so that clients will get them, do they have to be put on a webhost or can they be served directly from my server (preferred). thanks
[2020-04-23 07:01:12] <fujipop> ive tried but have been unable to get it working
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[2020-04-24 05:06:08] <physkets> Hey!
[2020-04-24 05:06:44] <physkets> I'm trying to use the Wayland backend to SDL, and the game seems to mostly be functional,
[2020-04-24 05:06:56] <physkets> except for some small issues:
[2020-04-24 05:06:58] <physkets> https://gitlab.com/armagetronad/armagetronad/-/issues/10
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[2020-04-24 19:04:41] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 33*12
[2020-04-24 19:04:41] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 396
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[2020-04-25 18:49:14] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1536 Merge branch 'legacy_0.2.8_tar' into 'legacy_0.2.8'... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] Switch tar format to posix...
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[2020-04-25 20:28:33] <Lucifer_arma> 2020 problems.  How do I set up an online video/audio meeting where anybody can join, but is strongly encrypted and protects the privacy of everyone who joins?
[2020-04-25 20:29:28] <Lucifer_arma> I'm thinking maybe we don't do that and just have an in-person meeting :/
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[2020-04-26 03:16:41] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 5000/12
[2020-04-26 03:16:42] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 416.666666667
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[2020-04-26 04:28:47] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: depends on your definition of privacy. You can definitely set something up on YOUR server where no data hungry corporation gets to see whart you do.
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[2020-04-26 21:34:19] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: that solves only the tech side of the problem.  What about, say, a jilted spouse wanting to spy on their addict-in-recovery spouse?  That's one of the arguments in favor of meetings being only in-person, because then you can *see* everyone who's there.
[2020-04-26 21:34:30] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 800/120
[2020-04-26 21:34:31] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 6.66666666667
[2020-04-26 21:34:36] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 800/110
[2020-04-26 21:34:36] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 7.27272727273
[2020-04-26 21:48:24] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 230/115
[2020-04-26 21:48:24] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 2
[2020-04-26 21:48:36] <Lucifer_arma> grrr.  That's that I thought.  I need to get to/under 40VAC
[2020-04-26 22:11:14] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 115*3/2
[2020-04-26 22:11:15] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 172.5
[2020-04-26 22:11:27] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 115/3/2
[2020-04-26 22:11:27] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 19.1666666667

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[2020-04-27 11:54:07] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: If that is a prime worry, go with one of the big tech solutions from a big tech company where the would-be spy is not a bigwig. Sure, they may do all sorts of amorphous long term evil with the data they collect, but probably nothing that affects anyone involved concretely in the near future.
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[2020-04-27 13:49:40] <guru3> did anyone else know that apparently somewhere out there a version of armagetron advanced for amigaos is floating around? https://amigaworld.net//modules/news/article.php?storyid=5639
[2020-04-27 13:50:19] <guru3> http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=game/driving/armagetronadv.lha
[2020-04-27 15:41:52] <Z-Man> Wat? No A500 support, no download.
[2020-04-27 15:42:55] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: Here's a German article: https://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/Kostenlose-Videokonferenz-Programme-im-Funktionsueberblick-4704912.html?wt_mc=rss.red.ho.ho.rdf.beitrag.beitrag
[2020-04-27 15:44:23] <Z-Man> I did not read it fully, but their bottom line privacy recommendation is Jitsi (on an own server) or TeamViewer Blizz, which claims to do full end-to-end encryption.
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[2020-04-28 13:02:59] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1536 Merge branch 'legacy_0.2.8_tar' into 'legacy_0.2.8'... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] Switch tar format to posix... || [0.2.8-build_codeblocks-work] r31 Remove unwanted files from result || [0.2.8-build_codeblocks-work] r30 Copy over installation builder files from build_visualc... || [armagetronad-gitbzr-scripts] r35 Add code::blocks module || [0.2.8-build_codeblocks-work] r29 Find cor
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[2020-04-28 17:13:06] <guru3> so aparently a small handful of users accounts were deleted when I was cleaning up inactive forum accounts
[2020-04-28 17:13:39] <guru3> that is users with zero posts who hadn't been active in a few years
[2020-04-28 17:14:08] <guru3> well, loads of accounts were deleted, apparently a small handful were used for armathentication
[2020-04-28 17:14:30] <guru3> another huge pile of accounts has been deactivated, to be deletd in a few months
[2020-04-28 17:15:23] <guru3> cleaning up a few thousand unused accounts, a large number of which were spam accounts seemed like a good idea
[2020-04-28 17:15:37] <guru3> but if anyone is complaining about a missing account, that's probably what happened
[2020-04-28 17:16:02] <guru3> they should be able to re-register with the same name, or if they have another account with a different name I can change the account name
[2020-04-28 17:16:39] <guru3> apologies to those who have had their accounts deleted, but I do need to cleanup the forums on occiasion
[2020-04-28 17:18:16] <guru3> if people who have not posted do not want their account accidentally deleted in the future, the easiest way to ensure that doesn't happen is to do a hello post
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[2020-04-29 00:07:16] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: the spying concern isn't a corporate bigwig, it's someone else in the addicts' lives, like a mother or a spouse or something.  It's one of the consequences of going online and using anonymity to protect privacy.
[2020-04-29 00:08:00] <Lucifer_arma> we have a similar problem in Arma, but it works very differently in a game environment than in a recovery support group environment.  Here, there's the obvious concern of a parent spying on their kid to make sure they behave,
[2020-04-29 00:08:36] <Lucifer_arma> but the anonymity protecting the parent in this case is a Feature, not a Bug.  In an addict support group where people get very vulnerable and discuss things that it's better their family/friends not know, you have to keep those people out
[2020-04-29 00:09:24] <Lucifer_arma> online anonymity enables those family and friends to spy, whereas in-person anonymity filters them at the door.  We're not even supposed to divulge the identities of people who show up to meetings.
[2020-04-29 00:10:05] <Lucifer_arma> So, like, if someone in a meeting I'm at turns out to be the CEO of Lyft, I don't get to tell all my friends that the CEO of Lyft is a heroin addict who's done [whatever they said they did while in the meeting]
[2020-04-29 00:11:41] <Lucifer_arma> so it's possible right now for my mom to look up local recovery dharma groups in Austin, where the meeting information for zoom is posted in an easily accessible place (I think), and start attending meetings without a webcam to hide her identity
[2020-04-29 00:12:08] <Lucifer_arma> if I were also attending the online meetings (I'm not, because of these exact privacy concerns), she'd find me sooner or later and get to spy on me
[2020-04-29 00:12:12] <Lucifer_arma> that would be very problematic
[2020-04-29 00:13:01] <Lucifer_arma> so the question, then, is essentially the same as with armathentication, but different, at the same time: how do we keep out people who would use the privileged information you can get at in this way to hurt the people who actually attend the meetings?
[2020-04-29 00:14:00] <Lucifer_arma> (It's not as well-protected in the US as the spouse privilege, let alone the level of protection the lawyer/client, doctor/client, etc relationships get, but much of the "privilege" status of the recovery meetings revolve around them being anonymous)
[2020-04-29 00:14:51] <Lucifer_arma> Basically, if I get subpoena'd to testify in a case involving a member of my group, I can cite the anonymity agreement, and there's a strong chance I won't be required to testify
[2020-04-29 00:15:23] <Lucifer_arma> but again, when you take this meeting online, someone can record the meeting, and if that gets subpoena'd, there's no stopping it.  It's give up the recording or go to jail.
[2020-04-29 00:15:53] <Lucifer_arma> I think I just talked myself out of ever attending an online support group meeting, and at the same time out of providing an online component to an in-person meeting
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[2020-04-30 10:19:36] -!- Topic for #armagetron is "http://www.armagetronad.org/ | pastebin: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys | Pickup a game: #armagetron.pickup"
[2020-04-30 10:19:36] -!- Topic set by guru3 on 2015-04-22 20:50:50 UTC
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[2020-04-30 10:19:38] -!- Channel #armagetron created on 2006-11-26 06:42:45 UTC
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[2020-04-30 14:17:51] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: Ah, that is indeed tough. You could prevent unwanted people from entering by requiring everyone to use their camera, but you can't stop people from recording. One could watermark the streams given to each participant individually so at least you have a chance of identifying the one who leaked a recording, provided you get hold of the leaked recording. You could restrict participants to people you met personally previously. You
[2020-04-30 14:17:51] <Z-Man>  could just not do group meetings, but instead 1 on 1 meetings with the (trusted) group leader, probably defying the purpose of having a group.
[2020-04-30 14:18:12] <Z-Man> Or distort the video and audio in such a way that you can still read body language, but can't recognize anyone.
[2020-04-30 14:19:26] <Z-Man> There are probably plenty of filters available that turn you into a stick figure with a helium voice.
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[2020-04-30 17:43:46] <Z-Man> Heeeeeey... we're short one OS X maintainer. The glTron guy is still around and now mostly on OS X... and he's looking for a Windows maintainer. Which I technically qualify for. Maybe later :)
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