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[05:03:09] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc 80/22
[05:03:10] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 3.63636363636
[05:03:52] <Lucifer_arma> here's one for you
[05:04:12] <Lucifer_arma> postmates has lowered their minimum payout per delivery from $4 to $3
[05:04:19] <Lucifer_arma> you still keep 100% of your tips
[05:04:41] <Lucifer_arma> now, I realize the US is a little weird with tips, and it's a bunch of BS that we have tips in the first place, but it's what we've got
[05:04:57] <Lucifer_arma> so there's a group trying to get people to actively get pissed at postmates and protest their lowering of pay
[05:05:17] <Lucifer_arma> I'm not happy about the lower pay, mind you, but here's the kind of propaganda they're passing out:
[05:05:46] <Lucifer_arma> they cited a seattle worker who did ~$200 in deliveries, subtracted his expenses, and ended up with him earning about $80 after expenses
[05:06:04] <Lucifer_arma> then they say "So he only got $4/hour!!!!!11!!!1!one!!one!111"
[05:06:30] <Lucifer_arma> but they also say he also got around $80 in tips, but they didn't use that to figure his hourly for the time worked
[05:07:07] <Lucifer_arma> if they *did* use that, then he came out to ~$8/hour.  It's not great, but minimum wage is $7.25, and this is all after his expenses (independent contractor pays their own expenses)
[05:07:57] <Lucifer_arma> now, on a bad day, I might get $6/hour or $8/hour.  On a mediocre day, I still break $10/hour, and on good days, which happen more often than not, I still break $15/hour, even after postmates lowering the minimum payout per delivery
[05:08:21] <Lucifer_arma> so, am I happy about what postmates did?  No.  Are they also showing signs of offering less opportunities for more pay?  Yes.  This is concerning.
[05:08:44] <Lucifer_arma> But don't fucking lie to me and tell me this guy only earned $4/hour.
[05:08:54] <Lucifer_arma> Also, they're calculating his expenses based on the fact that he drives a car.
[05:09:24] <Lucifer_arma> The $120 or so he spent putting gas in his car?  I would have run the same deliveries for $4 of gas, because I was smart and bought a scooter for the work
[05:09:43] <Lucifer_arma> So my hourly for the same work would have been more like:
[05:09:59] <Lucifer_arma> ]math calc (190+80)/22
[05:10:00] <ljrbot> Lucifer_arma: 12.2727272727
[05:10:08] <Lucifer_arma> $12.27/hour, right there
[05:10:42] <Lucifer_arma> So, now I'm supposed to cry for the guy for the desperate situation he's in and go and protest postmates' move?
[05:11:17] <Lucifer_arma> I'm actually on board with protesting postmates' move.  THey're going the path of Uber where they're cutting pay to their core service providers, and that's never a good move, and we should be angry and fighting it
[05:11:30] <Lucifer_arma> so cut out the fucking propaganda!  Seriously!
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