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Log from 2018-05-01:
[08:13:26] *** Quits: Guest57901823 (LS@cpc76132-clif11-2-0-cust623.12-4.cable.virginm.net) (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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Log from 2018-05-02:
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Log from 2018-05-03:
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Log from 2018-05-04:
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Log from 2018-05-05:
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[20:07:59] <steam_bell> hmmm
[20:08:07] <steam_bell> @G5
[20:09:02] <steam_bell> G5: doing well?
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[21:04:53] <Lucifer_arma> y'all should check the forums.  They're mustering another Ladle, for anybody interested.
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Log from 2018-05-06:
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[06:44:38] <Lucifer_arma> Then there's that moment when you want to put data into version control so you can have backups of it in case something bad happens to it
[06:46:29] <Lucifer_arma> It is entertaining that I'm reading the python sqlite documentation, which has a lot of stock market examples, while trying to write a program that analyzes the stock market
[12:52:44] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: just buy tesla and forget it :P
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[15:28:58] <ct|kyle> oi sinewav
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[15:31:24] <sinewav> client keeps crashing...
[15:31:31] <sinewav> ct|kyle: word up?
[15:31:45] <ct|kyle> sinewav: pools
[15:31:53] <Lucifer_arma> ct|kyle: not buying Tesla.  It's too expensive.
[15:32:19] <sinewav> Those cars look badass though
[15:32:26] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: GOOG is also a good one
[15:32:33] <Lucifer_arma> ALSO TOO EXPENSIVE
[15:32:42] <ct|kyle> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaEvQxMUQAA8ShD.jpg:large
[15:32:49] <Lucifer_arma> look, when I start putting money out there, I'm only going to have like $40 to work with
[15:32:52] <ct|kyle> that's what I plan to get soon :P
[15:33:28] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: AMD under 11 is probbaoly a pretty good buy
[15:33:53] <Lucifer_arma> AMD isn't a good buy right now unless you're in for a long-term investment, and even that's iffy
[15:34:00] <Lucifer_arma> I don't think AMD is doing all that well
[15:34:39] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: last earings proove otherwise
[15:34:57] <sinewav> I'm actively looking to buy AMD products
[15:35:14] <sinewav> was a big fan in the 90s
[15:35:17] <Lucifer_arma> AMD doesn't make anything anymore, they just design things and license out the design
[15:35:32] <sinewav> so they make designs? That's still good!
[15:36:07] <Lucifer_arma> I'm not arguing that it's not good, I'm just saying that their business model isn't terribly sustainable
[15:37:08] <Lucifer_arma> but in the event that I'm tracking their stock price, and it drops and bottoms out, I'll probably buy it and let it ride for awhile, since I think they're quite far from bankruptcy
[15:37:50] <Lucifer_arma> after all, I'm still quite excited that they handed Intel their ass on the 64-bit platform change
[15:40:54] <sinewav> Running a KDE app has made my MATE system unstable, brb gotta restart
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[16:15:27] <ct|kyle> I actually think AMD and tesla stocks have been beaten down way too much lately, for no reason
[16:15:47] <ct|kyle> that is why i say AMD under 11 is a good buy
[16:18:02] <ct|kyle> it would not suprize me if AMD gets to 16-18 by year end
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Log from 2018-05-07:
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[12:46:18] <ok> ok
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[22:44:44] <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: #yandere

Log from 2018-05-08:
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[02:23:58] <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: what is that?
[04:29:52] <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: IRC game
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[07:15:51] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: that crappy game noone really likes, but people play it with luke-jr to make him feel beter.
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[16:31:50] <Lucifer_arma> I'm being domestic.
[16:32:07] <Lucifer_arma> laundry, scrubbing walls, carpet cleaning
[16:32:14] <Lucifer_arma> Have I been domesticated?
[16:32:19] <Lucifer_arma> if I have, this isn't good
[16:39:42] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: better do some more cleaning to find out
[18:31:33] <Lucifer_arma> ct|kyle: maybe I'm just a predator who's like "I don't want to breath this shitty air anymore"
[18:31:36] <Lucifer_arma> I'm going with that
[18:31:39] <Lucifer_arma> I'm still a predator
[18:31:44] <Lucifer_arma> I will NOT be domesticated!
[18:32:02] <Lucifer_arma> Now, I'll go conquer the galaxy while waiting for my wife to get home, and then I have to cook dinner
[18:32:28] <Lucifer_arma> It's the Star Trek: Conquest game for the Wii.  It's a great game.  Really.  No dish-washing involved.
[18:33:16] <Lucifer_arma> (because I already washed them)
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[18:44:24] <Lucifer_arma> Sometimes, I'm tempted to buy a fake passport/driver's license from the spammers on the forums
[18:44:46] <Lucifer_arma> I think "Wow, I'd love to get away and just *do* something *different*".
[18:45:03] <Lucifer_arma> Then I'm like "It's a scam, they won't give you what they're promising, they'll just take your money"
[18:45:19] <Lucifer_arma> Then Im like "Fuck, I can't even break the law to do something different?"
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[19:35:53] <Armanelgtron> "Nelg quit telling me when my master server went down, so I haven't checked it recently"
[19:36:04] <Armanelgtron> @Lucifer_arma Well, master server 4 appears to be timing out. :P
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[21:13:49] <Lucifer_arma> Armanelgtron: thanks, I'll deal with it tomorrow.  It's not like it just went down or anything....
[21:14:06] <Lucifer_arma> Also, where's your bot?  I used to use it to check my master server...
[21:14:32] <Lucifer_arma> anyway, going to bed.....
[21:14:34] <Lucifer_arma> good night

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[15:44:25] <Lucifer_arma> has anybody heard of a usb device (like, say, a keyboard) causing a PC to just lock up periodically?
[17:00:13] <Lucifer_arma> ok, I have ruled out temperature, cpu load, and free memory as causes for my computer locking up
[17:00:29] <Lucifer_arma> that inductively rules out PSU
[17:00:45] <Lucifer_arma> if memtest86+ can be trusted, I have also ruled out bad memory
[17:00:53] <Lucifer_arma> so, how trustworthy is memtest86+?
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[03:37:16] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: what's the current DNS for master4?  It's supposed to point to a redirect DNS entry at my domain, but I don't know what it is, or if it actually does that
[04:00:33] <Lucifer_arma> ok, can't build with sdl 2
[04:00:42] <Lucifer_arma> need sdl mixer and sdl image
[04:18:32] <Lucifer_arma> In file included from /usr/include/boost/iterator/iterator_categories.hpp:22:0,
[04:18:33] <Lucifer_arma>                  from /usr/include/boost/iterator/iterator_facade.hpp:14,
[04:18:35] <Lucifer_arma>                  from /usr/include/boost/range/iterator_range_core.hpp:27,
[04:18:37] <Lucifer_arma>                  from /usr/include/boost/lexical_cast.hpp:30,
[04:18:38] <Lucifer_arma>                  from tools/values/vCore.cpp:28:
[04:18:40] <Lucifer_arma> /usr/include/boost/variant/get.hpp: In instantiation of ‘typename boost::add_pointer<T>::type boost::strict_get(boost::variant<T0, TN ...>*) [with U = tString; T0 = int; TN = {float, std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >}; typename boost::add_pointer<T>::type = tString*]’:
[04:18:41] <Lucifer_arma> /usr/include/boost/variant/get.hpp:261:25:   required from ‘typename boost::add_pointer<T>::type boost::get(boost::variant<T0, TN ...>*) [with U = tString; T0 = int; TN = {float, std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >}; typename boost::add_pointer<T>::type = tString*]’
[04:18:43] <Lucifer_arma> tools/values/vCore.cpp:108:47:   required from here
[04:18:44] <Lucifer_arma> /usr/include/boost/variant/get.hpp:186:5: error: static assertion failed: boost::variant does not contain specified type U, call to boost::get<U>(boost::variant<T...>*) will always return NULL
[04:18:46] <Lucifer_arma>      BOOST_STATIC_ASSERT_MSG(
[04:20:46] <Lucifer_arma> time to update for a new compiler?
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[08:56:21] <Armanelgtron> So I'd be better off running a ladle server on regular 0.2.8 rather than 0.2.9-sty+ct+ap ?
[08:59:43] <Armanelgtron> I guess any improvement of stability, even if very minor, is probably better
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[11:52:11] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: master4 redirects to redirect.davefancella.com
[11:56:24] <Z-Man> That is, originally to armagetron.davefancella.com, but I suppose you redirect that, then. At least master4.armagetronad.org does. master.srv references master4.armagetronad.net, and I know as much about where that goes as you do.
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[12:06:21] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: yeah, I would redirect it to redirect.davefancella.com.  But I wanted to know where it went first, and armagetron.davefancella.com sounds like the one.  Thanks.  :)
[12:06:52] <Lucifer_arma> I'm probably going to move the physical host for master4, since I'm trying to get the game built on my new computer in my living room
[12:07:57] <Z-Man> I'm getting your compiler error now, too. Didn't GCC use to point you to the source code location from where the template is instantiated? That would be useful, as the real error is there.
[12:08:48] <Lucifer_arma> I think this is related to the warning I was getting, but I didn't paste that warning here
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[12:14:35] <Lucifer_arma> https://github.com/3Hren/blackhole/issues/64
[12:19:48] <Z-Man> Yeah, it's that. Just pushed a fix.
[12:20:49] <Z-Man> Well, a fix for the compile time error, anyway. I probably should test whether it works :)
[12:21:40] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r1390 tString -> std::string in variant get usage. Since the varia... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r1389 Malloc replacement stopped working, disabling it for debug b...
[12:25:52] <Lucifer_arma> well, when it builds for me, I'll probably test it :)
[12:33:34] <Z-Man> o wait, dammit. We're working on 0.4, right? bzr trunk is dead?
[12:37:44] <Z-Man> Yeah. Silly Lucifer_arma! On 0.4, dlh had that error fixed almost three years ago.
[12:40:02] <Z-Man> Also, small advantage: 0.4 doesn't immediately crash with memory deallocation errors when you run it.
[12:55:46] <Lucifer_arma> haha
[12:55:51] <Lucifer_arma> um, oops?
[12:56:00] <Lucifer_arma> where's the 0.4 branch?  :)
[12:56:42] <Armanelgtron> heh, in quassel if you hover a link, it previews it
[12:57:06] <Armanelgtron> you mean this? https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.4-armagetronad-work
[12:57:45] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, that.  branching right now
[12:58:30] <Lucifer_arma> too bad we don't have true 3d sound
[12:59:00] <Lucifer_arma> I have a decent-sized TV with surround sound speakers that I'm trying to build this for
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[22:20:39] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: reading back from afew days ago. there was a version of firefox the was causing my computer(s) to crash
[22:21:22] <ct|kyle> at least that is what i traced it down to, as some macs around the time had the same issue
[22:27:32] <Armanelgtron> ct|kyle I use Pale Moon personally
[22:27:49] <Armanelgtron> fork of a younger firefox
[22:29:42] <Armanelgtron> I've also used seamonkey, but that's an even older design
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[19:54:08] <Lucifer_arma> anybody remember off the top of their heads what the playlist format is for the arma media player?
[19:54:25] <Lucifer_arma> I think it's just lines that start with # are ignord, and all paths have to be absolute paths
[19:54:41] <Lucifer_arma> (yes, I know, I should know this because I wrote it)
[20:21:25] <Lucifer_arma> we need a list somewhere of arma dependency packages that can be apt-get installed that can be copy and pasted into a terminal
[20:21:41] <Lucifer_arma> I'm installing 300MB worth of boost that I'm pretty sure I don't need to install
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[21:43:25] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: should add it in the readme-compiling.md :)
[21:43:51] <ct|kyle> I have it in a forum post on CT's forums (that are down)
[21:46:03] <Lucifer_arma> anybody know why the music doesn't start when you start the game?
[21:46:19] <ct|kyle> sinewav: would probbaoly know best
[21:46:32] <Lucifer_arma> ct|kyle: we may have it somewhere and I just forgot where
[21:46:48] <ct|kyle> or maybe it's because you forgot the flag LUCIFER_ALWAYS_WINS
[21:47:01] <Lucifer_arma> well, the music starts properly when you enter the grid, but the other music is gone
[21:47:15] <Lucifer_arma> ct|kyle: heh, no, that's *not* what that flag does
[21:47:50] <Lucifer_arma> but I have to admit that among my regrets, I still have not managed to get someone to build a server with that flag
[21:48:22] <sinewav> There is an apt-get list on the wiki for installing armagetron.
[21:48:34] <ct|kyle> I have not even looked at what it actually does
[21:48:54] <ct|kyle> I was too green at precompilers at the time you added it
[21:49:08] <sinewav> Are you talking more granular package selection?
[21:52:21] <Lucifer_arma> sinewav: for boost, yes
[21:52:50] <Lucifer_arma> so I can install only the boost libs arma needs instead of the entire 240MB boost
[21:53:30] <Lucifer_arma> I've got it built now, I was just complaining because I was running through multiple configure/install package cycles
[21:57:54] <Lucifer_arma> what the hell?  The default playlist has a bunch of stuff listed that says music/RMA##.ogg
[22:37:56] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: when you added the engine sound back to the game, how did you do it?
[22:39:42] <Lucifer_arma> well, now I know what's wrong with the sound in 0.4, sorta
[22:42:40] <sinewav> Needs a mixer for the sounds. Or something.
[23:42:18] <Lucifer_arma> You cannot make another post so soon after your last.  <---- wtf?
[23:42:49] <Lucifer_arma> sinewav: I found a different problem, I think.  Or it's the same problem.  It's definitely a mixing problem, but it sounds like there's digital distortion in the mix.
[23:42:58] <Lucifer_arma> I turned the music all the way down and the distortion persisted.
[23:44:01] <Lucifer_arma> I need to actually look at how the engine sound is mixed to figure it out, and I'm not in the right mind to do that right now.

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[00:03:58] <sinewav> interesting! Keep me posted.
[01:50:12] <Lucifer_arma> ok, so, I built the game, joined a server, and within like 10 seconds, someone joined and said "Are you the real Lucifer?  Why did you put shitty sounds in 0.4?"
[01:50:39] <Lucifer_arma> so, if any of y'all are cruising for a game, and you're in any way interested in playing with me, you will *not* find me under the name Lucifer
[01:51:17] <Lucifer_arma> I'm going with DanielJackson for now, if there's room for that whole name.  Otherwise, something Stargate-related (like Sheppard, or Todd, or Carter, or something)
[01:52:25] <Lucifer_arma> Maybe I'll go with Teal'c if I think I'm doing well enough to warrant such a name
[04:30:58] <Lucifer_arma> Ok, so I'd like to be recognized for being me, but not be nagged.   Being anonymous gets me randomly kick-voted (not kicked, just polled), which is of course the complete opposite of being recognized
[04:39:36] <Lucifer_arma> but being recognized means I get bitched at for shit, particularly the sound effects in 0.4
[04:40:22] <Lucifer_arma> you know what?  Z-Man, you need to step up and be bitched at.  There are others who should step up (epsy!), but I don't see them in this channel
[04:41:04] <Lucifer_arma> but it's ok if you don't want that.  I'll take the bitching.  I'll take one (or many) for the team.  Maybe that's my role now?
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[12:26:30] <sinewav> Lucifer_arma: Just direct them to one of my many alternate sound packs. Only a few people play with sound on anyway.
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[16:59:37] <Armanelgtron> @Lucifer_arma I do like to spectate, and I was not in any class.
[17:00:03] <Lucifer_arma> Armanelgtron: then why'd he say you were in class?
[17:00:19] <Armanelgtron> iunno
[17:00:29] <Lucifer_arma> also, dedong wasn't a team player :(
[17:00:48] <Lucifer_arma> doesn't he know you don't circle the zone and cut off your teammate from being able to help?
[17:01:28] <Lucifer_arma> and, this game needs some changes to be able to play on a tv in a living room
[17:01:35] <Lucifer_arma> everything was too small
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[21:51:25] <compguygene> I am back hi everyone
[22:04:20] <sinewav> hi compguygene
[22:35:30] <compguygene> Nice to see you sinewav
[22:35:34] <Armanelgtron> oiii compguy
[22:35:47] <compguygene> Greetings
[22:36:49] <compguygene> When I looked at the server list I was glad to see some of those classic aot servers
[22:36:53] <sinewav> how's the family?
[22:37:26] <compguygene> Well my wife is now my ex, has been for a while now
[22:37:55] <compguygene> My daughter just graduated college with a degree in accounting and starts working at Georgia-Pacific their corporate headquarters in Atlanta next week
[22:38:32] <compguygene> And my son is going to school to be a personal trainer now
[22:39:07] <compguygene> I am still close with my kids and my ex and I are still friends
[22:39:32] <sinewav> Good to hear.
[22:39:45] <sinewav> You healthy?
[22:39:50] <compguygene> There is a woman I have been dating for over a year now
[22:40:00] <sinewav> nice
[22:40:11] <compguygene> Yes I have lost some weight and continue to
[22:41:06] <compguygene> I has been following the forums and I see your life seems to be going pretty good
[22:43:02] <compguygene> I did put up a ladle server and I'm working on bringing back some wild west servers but I've already spoken with other former Wild West members and there is no intention of ever bring it back as a clan perhaps teams servers Etc but not the way w w was in the past something new and more compatible with rebuilding Tron
[22:46:47] <sinewav> All Arma needs is one famous person to talk about it. Maybe someone can pay pewdepie to plug it? haha.
[22:47:35] <compguygene> What people used to find armagetron through various places that it was promoted to the open source community but that has not happened in the last few years and basically we need to come up with a marketing plan
[22:50:51] <sinewav> marketing these days is mostly based around capitalizing on social media nodes.
[22:50:55] <compguygene> But even before we Market armagetron at all we need to rebuild with what we have available to us I will say I've been very encouraged by Discord community that I've joined they do when enough of them are in on Meetup in servers and there is hope to grow from just that kind of basis so you just grow enough people to wear it once again armagetron doesn't look like an empty place but there's actually people using it then we could get it to grow from the
[22:56:18] <compguygene> I am aware of the social media channels I am also where I was there are other things we could do to bring players to the game and before we could really promote this in social media we actually need to have a playing player base there's no point in marketing using social media channels to have people show up and find empty servers

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[01:28:50] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: I don't remember how I added the engine sound, sorry.
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[02:03:35] <Lucifer_arma> the only thing we need to rebuild that we've lost is the player base, but we didn't lose that to neglect, we lost it to people moving on
[02:04:56] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: no worries.  I was hoping to get some explanation of what you did so I'd understand the code when I find it (again, I already looked at it before, so I know where it is) without having to, you know, read the code :)
[02:06:00] <Lucifer_arma> but if you want a specific goal to get a "famous person" mentioning arma, get me on a talk show
[02:06:22] <Lucifer_arma> I probably need to finish the book I'm working on right now, so that "science fiction author" is a reason for me to be there
[02:08:01] <Lucifer_arma> but my resume as a person in public is basically armagetron guy, author, web comic, and I can't see me not talking about all three of those
[02:08:40] <Lucifer_arma> so, lemme get this other book finished first, then that's a reasonable focus, considering my position here and the fact that I have to use an alias to play if I just want to play
[02:09:36] <Lucifer_arma> the biggest advantage to a strategy built around that is that we all want someone able to dedicate time every week to working on the game, and I'm someone in a position to do that, so there's some overlap on the venn diagram there
[02:09:54] <Lucifer_arma> I'd draw it, but I'm going to go practice a bit with my shitty computer because there's a ladle coming up
[02:10:01] <Lucifer_arma> also, compguygene: good to see you here again
[02:10:51] <Lucifer_arma> also, on a side note, playing this game on a tv, which is comparable to the gaming console experience, is a bit difficult, what with my eyes being what they are
[02:10:57] <Lucifer_arma> basically, everything's too small
[02:11:34] <Lucifer_arma> I know, the game wasn't designed for a big screen that you sit away from like two meters or so, so of course it doesn't work well that way
[02:12:01] <Lucifer_arma> but with all the people saying "Hey, can we get an Xbox version?", well, there's more to it than just porting code
[02:12:42] <Lucifer_arma> be nice if we could check the OS at runtime and change the rendering based on that, like you'd do in python
[02:13:22] <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm going to try to recruit my boys to play in the ladle
[02:13:38] <Lucifer_arma> they'll be with me that weekend, and for the time we're looking at having it, they'll be here with me
[02:43:20] <Lucifer_arma> haha.  Swag had to boot me from his server because he couldn't handle losing to a girl name (Teyla, from Stargate Atlantis)
[02:48:04] <Lucifer_arma> well, I didn't find a fun game to play, but I got banned by swag for insulting him
[02:48:06] <Lucifer_arma> that was fun
[02:48:15] <Lucifer_arma> anybody up for a game, though?
[03:00:50] <Lucifer_arma> haha, wow, swag really is thin-skinned
[03:00:58] <Lucifer_arma> no wonder it was always so easy to troll him
[03:01:10] <Lucifer_arma> btw, he's apparently still playing
[03:01:19] <Lucifer_arma> he just sucks and has to use admin powers to win :)
[03:16:56] <Lucifer_arma> we're probably going to get attacked again, because I'm an incurable troll
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[10:00:56] <compguygene> Lucifer I couldn't agree more the only reason we lost their base is because they aged out. However I think the ways that people found armagetron in the past no longer working for instance when I cannot get run I found it through a article on a Blog about great multiplayer games for Linux just don't see anything like that written about armagetron anymore. However if you do with the remaining players that are around and thos
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[22:13:03] <Lucifer_arma> WwT_compguygene: are you going to finish your sentence?
[22:13:47] <sinewav> lol...
[22:13:53] <sinewav> he ded
[22:22:33] <ct|kyle> https://www.boringcompany.com/   hopefully the livstream actually starts soon
[22:23:27] <ct|kyle> and it started :)

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[16:06:17] <Armanelgtron> whoops, forgot to setup my server machine to auto turn on after a power failure
[16:13:41] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: is this the same one you previously gave me access to?
[16:21:44] <Z-Man> Possibly? It was the vps at that provider, but I rebuilt it a while back. Could be that your access was eaten then.
[16:22:13] <Lucifer_arma> heh, that doesn't matter a lot because I changed computers and lost my ssh key :)
[16:22:38] <Lucifer_arma> can I have access?
[16:48:46] <Z-Man> If you're really you, sure. Have you updated your ssh keys on launchpad?
[16:49:04] * Z-Man puts on tin foil hat
[17:03:02] <Z-Man> I assumed yes. You should be able to ssh lucifer@www.armagetronad.org to mess around and ssh armawww@www.armagetronad.org to get to the main site. It's just the checked out svn tree and a trivial update.sh script.
[17:05:25] <Lucifer_arma> I'll PM you a ssh key when I get it generated :)
[17:13:06] <Lucifer_arma> ok, sent.  :)
[17:13:29] <Lucifer_arma> (hopefully that proves I'm really me, because I don't know if I can login to launchpad without doing a password recovery)
[17:45:41] <Armanelgtron> Ohh, you're working on the website?
[17:45:51] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: updated. You're also root@. Stay out of dedcon and arma0install, please :)
[17:46:10] <Z-Man> Armanelgtron: For a suitable definition of "working", yes.
[17:47:54] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: oh, public_html is supported on that server. So if you want to muck about on www.armagetronad.org/~lucifer/, you probably know what to do.
[18:41:12] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man:
[18:41:14] <Lucifer_arma> // I'm going to hell for this
[18:41:16] <Lucifer_arma> #include "eSound.cpp"
[18:50:28] <Lucifer_arma> well, I'm glad LUCIFER_ALWAYS_WINS is still there
[18:50:40] <Lucifer_arma> but I'm not figuring out why the music isn't starting like it's supposed to
[19:53:22] <ct|kyle> LOL
[19:53:51] <ct|kyle> * Lucifer no longer has access to the Armagetron repository *
[20:07:12] <Lucifer_arma> Armanelgtron: was it jumpy for you too?
[20:07:29] <Lucifer_arma> or was it because we had two separate computers on the same LAN?
[20:08:22] <Lucifer_arma> Armanelgtron: also, I wasn't working on the website yet, just trying to find out how it's put together
[20:08:44] <Lucifer_arma> also, trying to figure out why the bundled music isn't starting.  Did I disable it one night while drunk when people kept complaining about it and forget about it?
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[12:23:22] <sopin> hi guys
[12:24:31] <sopin> kyle, g5, lucifer(?), sine, wrtlfprntf, zman hello
[12:25:20] <sopin> pastebin is empty, where is latest client?
[12:26:00] <sopin> you guys still playin?
[12:30:10] <sopin> or is 2.8 server list correct and not a single fort?
[12:41:21] <sopin> You don't have permission to access /distfiles/0.3/8689/trunk-client-r8689.exe on this server.
[12:43:10] <sopin> https://sourceforge.net/projects/armagetronad/files/snapshots/trunk/2015/0.4_alpha_z2219_20150311/armagetronad-experimental-0.4_alpha_z2219_20150311.win32.exe/download this works
[13:04:28] <sopin> anyone knows how to fix issues with fullscreen in w10?
[13:42:44] <sopin> nvm, got it to run, cya on grid
[14:03:15] <Lucifer_arma> sopin: there doesn't seem to be much fort available these days
[15:00:30] <sopin> we got some, even with like 6-7 players per team for a moment on mega
[15:00:40] <sopin> currently 3-3
[15:06:25] <sopin> nvm, it's ded
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[19:08:25] <Lucifer_arma> damn, I forgot how much work homemade pizza is
[20:30:15] <luke-jr> I'm going to miss pizza. :<
[20:42:58] <Lucifer_arma> why can't you eat pizza anymore?
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[22:28:17] <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: no teeth

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[00:45:10] <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: did you suddenly get really old?
[00:46:07] <luke-jr> Lucifer_arma: no, had surgery
[00:49:55] <luke-jr> got 4-6 months before my mouth heals enough to get dentures fitted
[00:51:47] <Lucifer_arma> ah, but then you'll be able to eat pizza again, right?
[00:52:14] <Lucifer_arma> also, you just basically told me those dental surgery places that advertise "we can do it all in one day!" are full of shit
[01:00:58] <luke-jr> I hope so
[01:02:07] <luke-jr> I mean, they did all the *surgery* in one day..
[01:02:13] <luke-jr> the rest won't require surgery
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[04:44:56] <Z-Man> luke-jr: That sounds unpleasant. I hope the healing goes well.
[04:51:57] <luke-jr> Z-Man: it is. thanks
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[14:32:11] <sinewav> luke-jr: yeah, I hope you have a smooth recovery. Dental problems are stupidly painful. Having surgery like yours is one of my biggest health fears.
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[04:15:47] <Lucifer_arma> anybody up for a game?
[04:16:07] <Lucifer_arma> I know, the answer is "no", but the answer will never be "yes" unless someone nags....  :)
[04:16:24] <Lucifer_arma> anyway, I'm looking online, and I'm a Stargate character again
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[17:23:07] <Lucifer_arma> https://news.google.com/articles/CBMicGh0dHBzOi8vYXJzdGVjaG5pY2EuY29tL3NjaWVuY2UvMjAxOC8wNS9hcmlhbmUtY2hpZWYtc2VlbXMtZnJ1c3RyYXRlZC13aXRoLXNwYWNleC1mb3ItZHJpdmluZy1kb3duLWxhdW5jaC1jb3N0cy_SAQA?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
[17:23:26] <Lucifer_arma> I have to admit, it was satisfying to read about the head of Ariane Space whining about SpaceX and Blue origin :)
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[07:11:58] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: Ok, so I want to copy and paste my forum password into my config file.  How do I do that?  The reason this situation exists is because back when we had that big Durf vs Lucifer thing,
[07:12:35] <Lucifer_arma> I thought my account was compromised, so I'm sitting on a password that I have to go to gmail to retrieve
[07:13:09] <Lucifer_arma> and to get that password into armathentication, I have ot copy and paste it.  It's like zznnahsdkdif.  That's the kind of password I hve.
[07:13:18] <Lucifer_arma> So, how do I copy and paste it?
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[15:38:37] <Armanelgtron> @Lucifer_arma If Control+C doesn't work in an 0.4 client...you can use xdotool type
[15:38:49] <Armanelgtron> in an 0.4 client to paste passwords that is
[15:39:43] <Armanelgtron> xdotool type should work with anything
[15:42:46] <Armanelgtron> that is, if you're using linux
[15:50:43] <Armanelgtron> @Lucifer_arma Just using Control+C worked just fine for me :P
[15:52:16] <Armanelgtron> If you want to know how to copy, well the same way you'd copy anything else
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[18:34:29] <Lucifer_arma> Armanelgtron: of course I'm using linux :)
[18:34:51] <Lucifer_arma> last time I tried to control-v into the client, I honestly don't remember if it worked or not.
[18:35:05] <Lucifer_arma> but it probably would have been around 0.2.7.1 or earlier
[18:52:49] <Armanelgtron> It definitely works in 0.4 because pasting was added
[18:53:18] <Armanelgtron> also works in 0.2.9+ap but only on Windows unfortunately
[18:59:11] <Armanelgtron> Hey, by the way, I'm getting an exception when editing the Cockpits_List on the wiki
[18:59:18] <Armanelgtron> "[3954675f] 2018-05-22 22:51:43: Fatal exception of type MWException"
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[23:25:17] <Lucifer_arma> I am going to celebrate my Uranian birthday
[23:25:27] <Lucifer_arma> you know, if I live that long
[23:31:27] <Lucifer_arma> I would like to live at least long enough to be 1 Uranian year old

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[01:42:46] <physkets> Hi!
[01:43:06] <physkets> Is version 0.4 considered stable?
[01:53:49] <Lucifer_arma> no
[01:53:57] <Lucifer_arma> if it was, we'd have had a formal release
[01:54:19] <Lucifer_arma> physkets: we could use some feedback
[01:55:06] <Lucifer_arma> in fact, just so we're clear, there's no actual 0.4 release.  When we talk about 0.4, we're talking about a branch that's intended to be released when it's stable enough
[02:01:23] <physkets> Lucifer_arma: Oh! I see...
[02:01:34] <physkets> So then what about 0.3.2 ?
[02:03:16] <physkets> I'm asking all this becasue I might be packaging/maintaning this for a distro called Artix
[02:04:38] <physkets> and I'm wondering if I should package a version newer than the 0.2.8.3.4 that is packaged by Arch
[02:06:10] <physkets> Although I can't find the 0.3.x series on sourceforge...
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[18:21:57] <Lucifer_arma> that was far more painful than it needed to be
[18:22:15] <Lucifer_arma> but I got the Vector skin successfully renamed to ArmaUnified, but don't have any of the arma stuff in it yet :)
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[03:21:06] <Armanelgtron> @physkets You could maybe package it as a seperate package, 0.4 being armagetronad-experimental (and the version number could be something like the version and the revision (such as 0.4r1622)... 0.3 isn't maintained so you probably should not bother with that version
[04:59:15] <physkets> Armanelgtron: ah, okay... in that case, I'll stick to 0.2.8 for the distro, and package the trunk version for the AUR
[05:00:20] <physkets> the AUR is an unofficial collection of packages that Arch-based distros can use to simplify a build & install
[05:33:19] <Lucifer_arma> physkets: you should use the 0.4 branch for the experimental one, because the trunk is way behind
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[05:54:11] <physkets> Lucifer_arma: oh, I thought trunk meant 0.4, my bad... that is what I meant
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[09:17:02] <TheNate> hello, can someone help me with my server?
[12:37:43] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: shit.  I just realized I've been working with a skin that requires mediawiki 1.29.  We're stil on 1.27, right?
[13:57:46] <Lucifer_arma> ok, there's no quick and easy way to adapt ArmaUnified to mediawiki after whatever version it was originally developed for
[13:58:23] <Lucifer_arma> TheNate: I'll bite, what problem are you having with your server?
[13:58:44] <Lucifer_arma> also, generally, it's best to just state the problem.  Don't ask for help, tell us what you need more specifically.
[13:59:37] <Lucifer_arma> why am I screwing around with the Vector skin when we started from MonoBook last time, anyway?
[15:13:56] <TheNate> my problem is the delay when logging
[15:15:01] <Lucifer_arma> delay when logging?
[15:15:41] <TheNate> if i type /login on server it needs sometimes 3 rounds
[15:21:49] <TheNate> uk this problem?
[15:22:57] <Lucifer_arma> ah, you mean logging in, heh.  logging is keeping logs.  :)
[15:23:06] <Lucifer_arma> what authority are you using?
[15:24:10] <TheNate> ah ok ;) i try to ligin with the forums
[15:24:16] <TheNate> login*
[15:26:00] <TheNate> if someone tries to log in, it takes a long time
[15:26:02] <TheNate> idk how to fix
[16:51:15] <Lucifer_arma> TheNate: part of that is how the system works.  The only "fast" login I'm familiar with is not using the authorities at all
[16:51:34] <Lucifer_arma> there's a fair amount of back and forth, usually using the http protocol, when you use the authorities
[16:51:51] <Lucifer_arma> basically, there isn't anything we can do, unless we want to create standalone login servers
[16:57:44] <Lucifer_arma> woohoo!  I didn't realize you can hide your global id :)
[16:58:15] <TheNate> ?
[17:01:14] <TheNate> other servers didnot have this problem and whatu u mean with global id?
[17:05:34] <Lucifer_arma> maybe you could put your config on the pastebin?  (leave out private stuff, of course)
[17:05:37] <Lucifer_arma> what OS are you using?
[17:06:05] <TheNate> ubuntu xenial
[17:09:28] <Lucifer_arma> is there anything in the logs that's interesting?
[17:09:52] <Lucifer_arma> if the server is having trouble reaching an authority, you should get something in stdout/log file
[17:10:02] <TheNate> i saw nothing i hear about -  ZThreads
[17:10:08] <TheNate> maybe i should try this
[17:11:02] <Lucifer_arma> I thought we build with multithreading automatically?
[17:11:07] <Lucifer_arma> did you build from sources?
[17:11:48] <TheNate> i just installed the package
[17:16:40] <Lucifer_arma> what user id are you using to logn?
[17:16:43] <Lucifer_arma> *login
[17:17:08] <TheNate> my one, and other people have the same if they login
[17:17:16] <TheNate> TheNate@forums
[17:18:27] <Lucifer_arma> what server is it?
[17:18:45] <TheNate> Whiskey Tron Freedom ....
[17:19:52] <Lucifer_arma> did you see me login just now?
[17:20:09] <TheNate> no
[17:20:35] <TheNate> now after round end
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[17:37:29] <Lucifer_arma> anybody else remember the good ol' days when they said "Hey, it'll be a semantic web, all you'll need to do is change the css file to make it look different"?
[17:37:36] <Lucifer_arma> WHY didn't that HAPPEN?
[17:42:55] <TheNate> :=)
[17:43:35] <Lucifer_arma> you know what's hard?  Trying to build a mediawiki skin from a partially-completed skin made by someone else when I have no idea what he was trying to make it look like
[17:44:28] <TheNate> thats rly hard
[18:07:35] <Lucifer_arma> well, I've got the header working for now.
[18:09:01] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: what's the correct address for the forums?  Is it still forums3.armagetronad.net
[18:09:03] <Lucifer_arma> ?
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[18:59:02] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [themes] r40 Moving things around, getting ready for a newer mediawiki || [themes] r39 Made the header work for one browser configuration only
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[19:28:43] <Lucifer_arma> Woohoo!  The ArmagetronLegacy skin works!  It looks just like MonoBook!
[19:44:09] <Lucifer_arma> I'm making the wiki font bigger
[20:10:20] <Lucifer_arma> just have one little change left, then, well, I don't know.  I can't test it on windows browsers
[20:28:06] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: ok, I pushed the ArmagetronLegacy skin.  I could only check it against Chrome and Firefox, whatever versions are with the latest Kubuntu, but the way mediawiki works, and the few things I changed, we're probably ok.
[20:28:20] <Lucifer_arma> we're more likely to get people mad because I changed the layout slightly than anything else.
[20:28:27] <Lucifer_arma> but it works for mediawiki 1.27.  I posted about that.
[20:29:22] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [themes] r42 Finished up the ArmagetronLegacy skin. || [themes] r41 Starting this mother from scratch. Should have listened to ...
[20:29:46] <Lucifer_arma> it feels kind of good to see ljrbot reporting work being done
[20:59:06] <Lucifer_arma> well, I broke preferences.  There's no more notebook UI there, and I have no idea why.
[21:06:16] <Lucifer_arma> guru3: hey!  HEY!
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[22:09:26] <Armanelgtron> ugh, tell thenate if you see him that the problem might just be zthread
[22:11:10] <Armanelgtron> especially if it ONLY logins in between rounds
[23:07:37] <Lucifer_arma> how is it zthread?
[23:07:46] <Lucifer_arma> I thought we quit using that and went to some boost thing
[23:08:00] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: nag
[23:08:25] <Lucifer_arma> Armanelgtron: ?
[23:10:48] <Lucifer_arma> I like how the bots are more interested in ArmaUnified than in upgrading the wiki
[23:17:07] <Lucifer_arma> wow, our "Building your skillset" page is both hopelessly out of date, hard to read, and truly useful
[23:18:00] <Lucifer_arma> And who the hell decided to spell it "Manoeuvering?"
[23:18:13] <Lucifer_arma> Whose web browser said that was spelled right?
[23:22:20] <Lucifer_arma> I feel like I wrote the rough draft, and then sinewav came in and edited everything
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[23:47:31] <Lucifer_arma> hi physkets
[23:48:10] <Lucifer_arma> that's a terrible way to pronounce physics, btw

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[01:02:32] <physkets> Lucifer_arma: hehe... well, it is an amalgamation of Physics and Bra-Kets
[01:02:52] <physkets> and sounds like biscuits ....
[02:15:04] <Lucifer_arma> what the hell is a bra-ket?
[02:15:14] <Lucifer_arma> is it like, I don't know, something involving boobs?
[02:19:39] <physkets> nonono... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bra%E2%80%93ket_notation
[02:41:24] <Lucifer_arma> I'm not looking, I'll just take your word for it that your name is so boring it doesn't involve boobs
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[12:38:24] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: Current armawiki is on 1.23, the plan is to upgrade to 1.27.
[12:39:43] <Z-Man> And I don't remember what the deal was with the forum hostnames. We did some switching for DDoS protection, but stopped in the middle of it. The browser says you're right.
[12:40:25] <Z-Man> And yes, non-installed ZThread before compiling is the prime reason logins only go through between rounds.
[12:42:23] <Z-Man> Don't we have a messaging bot any more <|>
[12:43:08] <Z-Man> (that's simultaneously a "put hands on hips disapprovingly" smiley and a bra-ket)
[12:47:11] <luke-jr> ljrbot is still here
[12:47:11] * ljrbot agrees 100% that it is still here
[13:29:51] <Lucifer_arma> ok, I'll work with forums3.armagetronad.net for the time being because that's my bookmark, and it's always worked
[13:30:40] <Lucifer_arma> other than dlh's mediawiki extensions, you're clear to upgrade (meaning there's a skin, heh).  I guess I'm looking at those extensions today.
[13:32:14] <Lucifer_arma> does anybody remember how I got the background for the wiki?  I have a vague and untrustworthy memory that I just nabbed the floor.png from the game
[13:32:41] <Lucifer_arma> but there isn't  single floor.png in 0.4 for me to nab, making me question my entire existence!
[13:33:42] <Lucifer_arma> also, both git and bzr would be cooler if they just worked with each other transparently.  Like if they could push to each other's branches.
[13:34:34] <Lucifer_arma> anyway, Z-Man, getting the old armagetronad theme working for 1.27 was nontrivial, so I'm not expecting getting dlh's extensions working to also be nontrivial
[13:34:56] <Lucifer_arma> so if they're a barrier to upgrading, I'd be willing to live without them for awhile
[14:03:25] <Lucifer_arma> heh, Z-Man, did you have to configure anything special to get the wiki to show extensions on the Special:Version page?
[14:03:26] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [themes] r43 Added descriptors for the wiki theme.
[14:03:47] <Lucifer_arma> my stock 1.27 installation doesn't list extensions, but it lists both skins and libraries, which aren't on the arma wiki
[14:12:04] <Lucifer_arma> in honor of Trump being our president, we should have a reason to reject a post simply say "English, mutherfucker!"
[14:19:29] <Lucifer_arma> ah, I just had to add an extension to get the list of extensions
[14:19:37] <Lucifer_arma> now, how do I check to see if TimeConvert is working?
[14:34:20] <Lucifer_arma> let's just have a school shooting every day.  'Merica!
[14:34:27] <Lucifer_arma> ct|kyle: it's your turn to have a shooting in your state
[14:34:36] <Lucifer_arma> I see you just took your turn
[14:34:42] <Lucifer_arma> ok, who's next?
[15:39:09] <Lucifer_arma> wow.  Putting a tileable grid floor background in ArmaUnified made it look really good
[15:58:40] <Lucifer_arma> guru3: hey, HEY!
[15:58:54] <Lucifer_arma> where would I find the armaunified theme for the forums?
[15:59:12] <Lucifer_arma> in the launchpad project, there isn't one for phpBB2, but there is one for phpBB3.  Is that what's being used right now?
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[18:55:35] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: I got bored/confused trying to update dlh's extensions, but I added an armaconfig.php file to the themes project.
[18:55:51] <Lucifer_arma> So, you know, all the configuration stuff that's specific to the wiki but not specific to the site can be put there.
[18:56:35] <Lucifer_arma> All that's in it right now is the stuff I need to do the work I'm doing, so enabling all the extensions we use isn't in it, and if they were, I'd have to either install all of them or disable them to keep working.
[19:04:51] <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [themes] r45 More work on ArmaUnified, and added the armaconfig.php file || [themes] r44 More work on ArmaUnified for wiki
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[00:26:07] <Lucifer_arma> anybody up for playing?  I'm looking for a server.  There are no players right now.  :(
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[03:12:31] <Lucifer_arma> There's a line in an Anthrax song I never thought would actually apply to real life, but does
[03:12:50] <Lucifer_arma> "Cunty-cunty-cunty-cunty-cunt!"
[08:03:01] <physkets> Hey!
[08:03:20] <physkets> Just to confirm, is this where the latest stuff is, ?
[08:03:22] <physkets> https://sourceforge.net/projects/armagetronad/files/snapshots/trunk/2015/
[09:14:13] <physkets> Also, do you guys sign the package?
[09:27:20] <physkets> And in 0.4, so I use sdl2_image and sdl2_mixer as dependencies, instead of sdl1 ?
[10:31:00] <physkets> I get the following error during build:
[10:31:35] <physkets> checking for boostlib >= 1.33.1... configure: error: We could not detect the boost libraries (version 1.33 or higher). If you have a staged boost library (still not installed) please specify $BOOST_ROOT in your environment and do not give a PATH to --with-boost option.  If you are sure you have boost installed, then check your version number looking in <boost/version.hpp>. See http://randspringer.de/boost
[10:31:37] <physkets> for more documentation.
[10:31:52] <physkets> But I have boost-libs ver 1.66
[10:45:01] <physkets> okay, I forgot that to build and compile, I actually need the boost package, not just the libs
[10:45:08] <physkets> But now, I have a new error:
[10:45:12] <physkets> error: static assertion failed: boost::variant does not contain specified type U, call to boost::get<U>(boost::variant<T...>*) will always return NULL
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[13:00:39] <Z-Man> physkets: That static assert was fixed in some later version. We don't have it in a snapshot yet, only if you pull from bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.4-armagetronad-work
[13:01:20] <physkets> Z-Man: oh cool! let me try that
[13:01:29] <Z-Man> Lucifer_arma: no, IIRC, I did not do anything special for the extensions to show up anywhere. I did not even know they did.
[13:01:52] <physkets> wait, how exactly do I get a tarball of the source?
[13:17:29] <physkets> Z-Man: Also, is there anything I should change in the way I build, between the 0.2.8 and this version?
[13:56:11] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: yeah, I figured that out.  :)  It turns out that the standard extensions don't get displayed for some reason, and to get the display, you just have to install at least one non-standard extension
[13:57:26] <Lucifer_arma> I'm going to try to bite the bullet today and get dlh's extensions working in mediawiki 1.27
[14:25:09] <Z-Man> physkets: not really possible, between the bzr itself and a tarball are some processing steps, among them versioning and changelog creation, both require a working bzr environment.
[14:25:34] <physkets> okay, I'm trying it with bzr,
[14:25:43] <physkets> but it is behaving ery wierdly
[14:26:05] <physkets> It gives me an empty directory when pull the branch
[14:26:08] <Z-Man> So the only way to get a tarball is to check out the bzr, do ./bootstrap, then ./configure, and then you can get your tarball with 'make dist'
[14:26:42] <physkets> ah; well, that is aoky, PKGBUILDs can use bzr
[14:27:12] <Z-Man> When you do the "bzr branch lp:armagetronad/0.4", the resulting 0.4 is empty?
[14:28:42] <physkets> yes, ls shows nothing
[14:28:56] <physkets> well, I don't do exactly that,
[14:29:07] <physkets> I put that in the PKGBUILD
[14:29:11] <physkets> wait,
[14:29:33] <physkets> Z-Man: Is there not 'configure' file anymore?
[14:34:20] <Lucifer_arma> configure is generated by bootstrap, isn't it?
[14:34:31] <Lucifer_arma> you have to run bootstrap first
[14:34:55] <physkets> okay, this was not how 0.2.8 was built
[14:35:30] <Lucifer_arma> it's how 0.2.8 is built when building from svn
[14:35:53] <Lucifer_arma> configure is distributed with the source release, but anytime you build from version control, you have to bootstrap first
[14:36:01] <physkets> I see...
[14:36:20] <physkets> what exactly doe bootstrapping achieve?
[14:36:21] <Lucifer_arma> we use the gnu autotools for building, and they generate configure :)
[14:36:28] <physkets> okay!
[14:36:43] <Lucifer_arma> bootstrap basically runs autoconf, aclocal, and two other things whose names I've forgotten
[14:36:54] <Lucifer_arma> it also generates the version files, if they don't exist
[14:37:17] <Lucifer_arma> we create them manually for a release, but when building from version control, they're generated
[14:38:13] <physkets> ah... it works now!
[14:38:58] <Lucifer_arma> we fiddled with a few other build systems, but none of them really took hold
[14:39:15] <Lucifer_arma> turns out that for all its flaws and ugliness, gnu autotools are an excellent build system
[14:40:42] <physkets> oh
[14:41:05] <physkets> Lucifer_arma: Is there anything else that is very different from 0.2.8?
[14:41:17] <physkets> that I have to keep in mind while building?
[14:51:20] <Lucifer_arma> not that I can think of
[14:51:30] <Lucifer_arma> basically, if bootstrap works and you have all the dependencies, it should build fine
[14:51:50] <Lucifer_arma> the numerous differences from 0.2.8 become apparent only after you start the program :)
[15:13:31] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: https://phys.org/news/2018-05-versions-han-solo-blaster-theyre.html
[15:13:54] <Lucifer_arma> turns out the way to make plasma projectiles is to induce a current in the plasmoid itself, and it'll stick together long enough to hit the target
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[16:16:47] <Z-Man> "reasearch" in quotes is quite fitting. It's mostly just idle speculation.
[16:26:26] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: If only the states had an actual eduational plan, maybe school shootings would go down.
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[17:16:57] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: yeah, but it's exactly the kind of idle speculation that science fiction writers engage in :)
[17:17:31] <Lucifer_arma> ct|kyle: that could bring them down, sure.  But when you look at literally any statistic involving guns, the simple question of "does someone own a gun" significantly changes the statistic
[17:18:04] <Lucifer_arma> where the three most famous statistics that are significantly changes are the murder rate, suicide rate, and number of mass shootings
[17:18:18] <Lucifer_arma> in any one of those cases, simply not owning a gun drives them all down dramatically
[17:19:12] <Lucifer_arma> for example, as a responsible gun owner myself, I don't own any guns because the likelihood someone in my home would use one to commit suicide is scary high
[18:03:18] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: true, but when school is  not enagaging and causes stress, don't you think that may help drive mental illness?
[18:04:09] <luke-jr> in other news, my 5th child (2 yo) set a new first in our family
[18:04:16] <luke-jr> she stuck something in a power outlet..
[18:06:16] <ct|kyle> luke-jr: is she ok?
[18:06:30] <luke-jr> she ran to her room and hid under the covers, then took a nap
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[18:52:50] <Lucifer_arma> ct|kyle: well yeah, but mental illness isn't what causes shootings in the first place, according to people who have actually been shooters
[18:53:16] <sinewav> Ah yes, I remember the first and only time I stuck a fork in a power outlet. Good memories. Then there was the time I was working on some electrical in the house on a live current because there was like one circuit breaker for the entire first ans second floor (stupid design). Had by friend hold a jacket taut around my waist so he could pull me away in case I started to get electrocuted. I'm smart!
[18:53:18] <Lucifer_arma> luke-jr: man, that used to be so fun.  Sticking hangers in power outlets and blowing the circuit breaker
[18:53:44] <Lucifer_arma> dad would keep resetting the breaker and getting frustrated that it kept getting bloan
[18:53:51] <Lucifer_arma> without knowing why :)
[18:57:11] * luke-jr wonders if there is in fact a circuit breaker to reset
[18:57:31] <Lucifer_arma> sinewav: there's actually a specific procedure that mechanics have to learn to be able to pull someone away from a car when they're being electrocuted
[18:57:59] <Lucifer_arma> I never had to do it or have it be done on me, but it's basically "take your belt off, loop it around the person while your pants fall down, then yank them away from the car"
[18:58:19] <sinewav> Yeah, that's basically how we were doing it.
[18:58:30] <Lucifer_arma> not terribly useful if you're working under the dashboard, or under a car that's not on a high lift
[19:00:36] <Lucifer_arma> there's also procedures like "only work one-handed on electrical connections, and put the other hand behind your back"
[19:00:56] <sinewav> ct|kyle: I keep having to argue with people at work about Elon Musk. Anytime I say anything about SpaceX or other projects of his people just shit all over him. I keep trying to explain I'm not part of Elon's cult of personality, but for some reason people have strong opinions of the guy.
[19:01:05] <Lucifer_arma> "don't touch the body of the car while working with electrical stuff, because that is the common ground"
[19:01:21] <sinewav> Lucifer_arma: Ah, that's a good tip.
[19:01:23] <Lucifer_arma> that's weird
[19:01:49] <Lucifer_arma> I'm not part of his personality cult either, but I genuinely like a lot of what he's doing
[19:02:22] <Lucifer_arma> I said on facebook one time to someone bitching about how Texas wouldn't let Tesla sell cars in the state that that was right for Texas to do, and she went all nuts at me
[19:03:09] <Lucifer_arma> suddenly she was all free market and shit, but I guarantee you that if she were in Texas when the lawsuits were happening (mid-90s) that made it so that Tesla can't do vertical integration monopolisticlly, she'd have sided with consumers
[19:03:46] <Lucifer_arma> because dealers were telling their customers that if they took their car to an aftermarket shop, it would void their warranty
[19:03:59] <Lucifer_arma> and that's Tesla's business model!
[19:04:19] <Lucifer_arma> it's also illegal, which is why Tesla can't sell cars in Texas until they fix their shit
[19:04:37] <sinewav> Yeah, I even said to my co-workers that his personality leaves a lot to be desired and some of this projects are shite, but for some reason the get furious when anything is mentioned. Everyone is so damn hostile!
[19:04:58] <Lucifer_arma> and yes, I was working in the industry when those lawsuits happened (mid-90s)
[19:05:15] <Lucifer_arma> he also overpromises and underdelivers consistently
[19:05:28] <Lucifer_arma> don't get me wrong, SpaceX and Tesla have done some enormously amazing things
[19:05:42] <Lucifer_arma> but if we measure their success relative to what Elon Musk has promised, they're both utter failures
[19:06:21] <Lucifer_arma> he's just a guy who deserves both a great deal of praise and a great deal of criticism
[19:08:28] <Lucifer_arma> oddly enough, he's kind of like Obama in that regard, now that I think about it
[19:08:49] <Lucifer_arma> and I think Obama is probably one of the best presidents we've had, certainly the best in my lifetime
[19:10:17] <Lucifer_arma> I'm actually excited about the boring company :)
[19:10:24] <Lucifer_arma> and I've figured out his long-term plan
[19:10:42] <Lucifer_arma> electric vehicles, batteries, solar power, boring, and rockets
[19:10:52] <Lucifer_arma> if you combine all of these technologies for one goal, what are you doing?
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[19:11:43] <Lucifer_arma> it's worth pointing out that colonizing other planets isn't exactly a secret plan of his
[19:12:03] <Lucifer_arma> but all of those technologies, taken together, form the basis of a settlement on mars or the moon
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[19:57:53] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: you forgot about the wizard hat, neurolink
[19:58:33] <ct|kyle> sinewav: I think his backlash against the media is valide
[20:00:25] <ct|kyle> There was a local news story recently. A Fawn fell into a swimming pool. They mentioned how it was underwared for 15 seconds before they got to it and gave it oxygen
[20:00:59] <ct|kyle> Howerver they failed to mention that they were trying to get it out of the pool area and startled it into the pool
[20:02:03] <ct|kyle> Also It is interesting to watch how spacex news evolves from press conference to news to next days news. they story gets further from the source of truth, the press conference
[20:03:26] <sinewav> Although I have seen Mr. Musk say some pretty dumb shit on Twitter. I wish he would chill a little bit when confronting media representatives.
[20:04:29] <ct|kyle> Any journelist is going to add bias to the sory to tell it in they way they want, back to my local news, they made it seam like the Firefigheters were heros, reviving the fawn and getting it back to it's mother
[20:05:52] <ct|kyle> But instead they let a deer destroy a pool, but startling it into it, then it threw up all over in it and ended up failing bateria tests.
[20:07:54] <Lucifer_arma> ah, neurolink is obviously for controlling the rocket!
[20:08:42] <ct|kyle> Gigafactory 3 location -> Mars :P
[20:11:23] <sinewav> you can't just huddle all journalists under the same umbrella of "bias". Some are better than others.
[20:12:29] <ct|kyle> and that is what Musk wants to rank them on
[20:13:56] <ct|kyle> wich TBH I don't care that much because I read through to see what is missing, but for those who don't do the same, It would be good for a site that can help aid it
[20:15:49] <ct|kyle> If I care about something enough I have to go to the source of the news to actually find out the truth
[20:16:21] <Lucifer_arma> what about when the source is pretty biased?  Like, you know, Elon Musk talking about SpaceX at a press conference :)
[20:16:37] <ct|kyle> Going back to press conference ->  news. There is a lot of underlaying context in tone and context that gets sripped out when going to the news
[20:17:02] <Lucifer_arma> I think I need to write my "I solved war" article so y'all can read my plan for space :)
[20:17:07] <sinewav> I've seen his views misrepresented (especially regarding AI), but I still think he needs to chill a little. I get that he's a human live everyone else, but he needs to pick his battles better.
[20:17:46] <Lucifer_arma> I don't think he cares that much about the battles themselves.  He's operating under the same philosphy that Trump's using: All press is good press.
[20:18:21] <ct|kyle> Why this is his battle, tesla's stock price is cheap, and he's upset that misrepresented media is driving it down
[20:18:23] <Lucifer_arma> so he's just talking to keep his name in the news
[20:18:52] <Lucifer_arma> tesla's stock price is cheap because he keeps overpromising and underdelivering
[20:19:35] <Lucifer_arma> he's not being misrepresented.  He said the Model 3 would be in full production by this time last year, after it had already been delayed from a previous date he'd promised
[20:19:47] <sinewav> in other news, I made a video for a song I recorded the other day and it makes me wish I still did drugs.
[20:19:47] <sinewav> https://vimeo.com/272126020
[20:20:23] <sinewav> Man, I saw one of those Tesla's with the Gull Wings in my neighborhood an that shit is fly.
[20:20:37] <Lucifer_arma> heh, they're sweet cars
[20:20:48] <ct|kyle> Lucifer_arma: actually this time he is basically on track, stock is dipping now because every tesla crash gows ww news
[20:21:37] <Lucifer_arma> hm, I have noticed that
[20:21:53] <Lucifer_arma> in the defense of the news, they grab every self-driving car crash and paste it all over the news
[20:22:03] <ct|kyle> mostly because they question autopilot
[20:22:22] <Lucifer_arma> but in his defense, they're not covering Tesla fairly because so far, in every crash I've read about, it looks like the driver was misusing the feature
[20:23:02] <Lucifer_arma> and they don't mention *that* part, so it looks like the autopilot is the cause
[20:23:44] <ct|kyle> the only one in question for me is the one that they broke an ankel
[20:24:02] <ct|kyle> Although still should have been paying more attention
[20:27:28] <sinewav> I can't wait until cars are good enough you don't have to pay attention. I mean, that's the goal!
[20:30:20] <Lucifer_arma> no kidding.  But honestly, I still enjoy a nice drive in the countryside
[20:30:27] <sinewav> Lucifer_arma: what's your primary OS these days?
[20:30:33] <Lucifer_arma> still kubuntu
[20:30:42] <Lucifer_arma> why?
[20:30:57] <sinewav> How you guys feel about Neon?
[20:31:05] <Lucifer_arma> don't even know what it is, heh
[20:31:09] <Lucifer_arma> lemme google that right quick
[20:31:24] <sinewav> It's basically a stripped down kubuntu
[20:32:08] <sinewav> I used to be an XFCE guy because I wanted something light, but not TOO light. I moves to MATE because of bugs in XFCE. But now I
[20:32:13] <sinewav> Now I'm reading...
[20:32:29] <sinewav> Newest KDE is super recource friendly.
[20:32:38] <Lucifer_arma> I might have to try it
[20:32:59] <sinewav> I'm still rocking a 10 year old laptop, and haven't upgraded yet because of decision fatigue.
[20:33:12] <Lucifer_arma> it's basically "Newest 'stable' KDE release on an ubuntu LTS"
[20:33:19] <sinewav> Basically.
[20:33:44] <Lucifer_arma> I switched to LTS's a few years back when they finally got modern enough that I didn't have to keep upgrading because of hardware issues
[20:33:58] <sinewav> I've never used KDE and didn't like it any time I tried it previously, but I'm not a hater, so I might try again. Just looking for informed opinions from trusted parties.
[20:34:05] <sinewav> ct|kyle: you use KDE on Fedora?
[20:34:07] <Lucifer_arma> but the tradeoff, of course, is that my kde stuff and other apps get two years out of date
[20:34:28] <Lucifer_arma> I've been using KDE since back in the KDE 3 days, and it's pretty solid
[20:34:37] <Lucifer_arma> it's a lot different, now, though
[20:34:48] <Lucifer_arma> for one thing, the actual DE release is now called Plasma, not KDE
[20:35:15] <Lucifer_arma> their workplaces/activities stuff feels a bit half-baked still
[20:35:26] <sinewav> right, Plasma.
[20:35:38] <Lucifer_arma> they've also done the GNOME thing of removing lots of configuration options to make it easier to configure
[20:35:52] <Lucifer_arma> so, you know, less indecision
[20:36:10] <Lucifer_arma> in the process, they removed some stuff that I actually needed, like different bckgrounds for each virtual desktop
[20:36:20] <sinewav> The thing that turned me off before was "too much kibble". There are all these widgets and customizing was overwhelming. That's why I'm thinking Neon is more my style.
[20:36:31] <Lucifer_arma> I used to use those different backgrounds to give me an immediate visual indicator which desktop I was on
[20:36:59] <Lucifer_arma> the out-of-the-box Plasma is pretty easy to use
[20:37:24] <Lucifer_arma> it's an odd blend of windows-like stuff that I hated before, like double-clicking, with more traditional X UI concepts
[20:37:35] <Lucifer_arma> and, afaik, it's still ahead of Windows in terms of overall features
[20:37:40] <sinewav> K. It's literally been 6 years since I tried KDE, and have never tried Plasma.
[20:38:03] <sinewav> Windows is a low fucking bar, lol.
[20:38:09] <Lucifer_arma> yeah, heh
[20:38:32] <Lucifer_arma> also, all of the traditional old KDE apps are basically unmaintained and have been replaced by better newer stuff
[20:38:57] <Lucifer_arma> I forget what the audio app is, but I hear it's competitive/more advanced than audacity
[20:39:08] <Lucifer_arma> and the video editing suite is the best-reviewed I've seen
[20:39:12] <Lucifer_arma> but I haven't used either
[20:39:35] <Lucifer_arma> wait, I lied.  Blender's video editing suite is still the best-reviewed, with the KDE app coming in a fair second
[20:40:10] <Lucifer_arma> but I still use firefox instead of konqueror, and libreoffice instead of koffice
[20:40:50] <sinewav> I've been using Krita for digital painting and it's fucking nice, but crashes a lot on my gnome2/MATE box.
[20:40:57] <Lucifer_arma> also, I am really annoyed that they made the default for clicking desktop icons double-clicking, and it took forever for me to find the configuration option to go back to single-clicking
[20:41:12] <sinewav> I want to try Kden Live (video) but it's never worked on my MATE machine.
[20:41:15] <Lucifer_arma> really?  Not GIMP?
[20:41:28] <Lucifer_arma> why doesn't it work in mate?
[20:41:49] <Lucifer_arma> you can run kde apps in non-plasma environments
[20:41:51] <sinewav> Shit just crashed X server every time. No desire to debug it.
[20:42:06] <Lucifer_arma> I was running xfce on my tv for awhile and had a few kde apps on there
[20:42:32] <Lucifer_arma> hmmm, I'll bet it was hardware acceleration
[20:42:35] <sinewav> Krita is a little better for painting than Gimp, however, Gimp 2.10 borrowed heavily from Krita (they use a lot of the same source).
[20:42:59] <sinewav> They are almost comparable now.
[20:43:02] <Lucifer_arma> ah, I don't paint, so I wouldn't notice ;)
[20:43:35] <sinewav> yeah, paining is just *a little* different, and enough that Krita is more sensible.
[20:43:35] <Lucifer_arma> last thing I did with GIMP was cut out the floor from arma and turn it into something that could be tiled on a website so I could add it to armaunified
[20:43:45] <sinewav> lol...
[20:43:52] <Lucifer_arma> that turned out to be far easier than I expected, btw
[20:44:23] <Lucifer_arma> hey, while you're talking, did you look at the screenshots I made of the two wiki themes I'm working on?
[20:44:41] <Lucifer_arma> and yes, I'm pretty much at the point where I can push it all to a public server and let y'all check it out
[20:44:48] <Lucifer_arma> you know, interactively
[20:45:33] <Lucifer_arma> or you could get the sources from bzr and setup your own mediawiki installation and play with them.
[20:46:27] <sinewav> I'm aware you are working on the site, I haven't had time to check the forums and see anything. I hope to carve out some time tomorrow.
[20:47:05] <sinewav> (got a small list of things I need to do today).
[20:48:26] <Lucifer_arma> ah.  I updated the old theme, scratching a few itches in the process, and pushed the armaunified wiki theme pretty much to completion
[20:48:45] <Lucifer_arma> I don't know where lackadaisical was wanting to go from where it was, but I can't say it's finished until I've implemented it for phpbb and the main site
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[22:29:33] <ct|kyle> sinewav: yes, KDE fedora
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[01:23:31] <physkets> Hey!
[01:24:03] <physkets> I made an 'Arch(linux) User Repository' (AUR) pacakge for the 0.4 branch:
[01:31:47] <physkets> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/armagetronad-bzr/\
[01:32:15] <physkets> Now anyone using an Arch-based distro can easily install and run it
[01:37:11] <physkets> But I have one question...
[01:37:43] <physkets> Why is the latest in a numbered (0.4) branch, rather than 'trunk'?
[01:44:38] <physkets> I ask because acording to this:
[01:44:41] <physkets> https://code.launchpad.net/armagetronad
[01:44:48] <physkets> trunk seems to have the latest commits
[01:46:20] <sinewav> NICE
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[02:26:03] <physkets> That link won't work anymore... I had to change the name of the package due to ome packageing rules. It is now:
[02:26:05] <physkets> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/armagetronad-0.4-bzr/
[02:32:51] <physkets> and this is the build/compile script (distro specific); do take a look and tell me if there is something you guys think might be wrong:
[02:32:54] <physkets> https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=armagetronad-bzr
[02:54:35] <Lucifer_arma> physkets: the latest is in a numbered branch because we branched for a stable release and are working on it (sorta)
[02:55:03] <Lucifer_arma> the latest commit in trunk is somewhat spurious.  It happened because the trunk is out of date, and I went to build it, and it didn't build, so Z-Man committed a fix to the problem
[02:55:19] <Lucifer_arma> afterwards, he found that the same problem had been fixed in the 0.4 branch two years ago
[02:55:53] <Lucifer_arma> but the 0.4 branch is where all the latest code is
[02:56:49] <Lucifer_arma> but none of that stupid shit would have happened if I had built the 0.4 branch instead of trunk, so it's basically my fault he wasted whatever time he wasted fixing a bug already fixed
[03:00:02] <physkets> Lucifer_arma: haha... Isee..
[03:00:18] <physkets> I'm running the gam now, and it looks very nice!!
[03:00:35] <Lucifer_arma> the 0.4 release is a very nice release, when it finally gets released
[03:00:52] <Lucifer_arma> I can play, I'm not doing anything important right now :)
[03:00:57] <Lucifer_arma> what server are you on?
[03:01:00] <physkets> one small issue, though...
[03:01:08] <physkets> the resolution setting does not seem to stick
[03:01:11] <Lucifer_arma> don't complain about the cockpit, please
[03:01:15] <Lucifer_arma> oh, that
[03:01:22] <Lucifer_arma> I haven't been able to reproduce that one
[03:01:26] <physkets> oh, I'm not on any server... I'm just oing local stuff
[03:01:47] <physkets> I have to set res to 1920x1080 each time
[03:02:00] <Lucifer_arma> I *do* want the default resolution to be "desktop" rather than the 640x480 it is
[03:02:17] <physkets> ah...
[03:02:19] <Lucifer_arma> is that the resolution of your desktop?
[03:02:25] <physkets> yes
[03:02:34] <Lucifer_arma> maybe you should try the "desktop" setting
[03:02:39] <physkets> but it walways starts with 640x480
[03:02:56] <Lucifer_arma> and, if we're not really saving the chosen resolution, that's not only an obvious bug, but it's a regression
[03:03:38] <physkets> Yay!! it is persistent now!!
[03:03:40] <physkets> Thanks!
[03:04:01] <Lucifer_arma> so it's a problem where if you pick any non-default setting that's not "desktop", it doesn't persist
[03:04:12] <physkets> looks like that... ya
[03:04:32] <Lucifer_arma> Z-Man: ping.  I can probably figure this out, but you could probably fix it in like five minutes, compared to the hour I'd have to spend studying code :)
[03:05:04] <physkets> What distro do you use?
[03:05:26] <Lucifer_arma> ok, physkets, I want to play online with you, but I have to spend a moment sending an email to try to get my son his first contract programming job (he's 17, it'll be awesome if he does this)
[03:05:30] <Lucifer_arma> I use Kubuntu
[03:08:46] <Lucifer_arma> ok, email sent
[03:08:48] <physkets> I won't be able to play right now...
[03:09:07] <physkets> doing a couple of things...
[03:09:13] <Lucifer_arma> wait, so you can test, but you can't play?  As one of the developers of this game, I find that hard to imagine
[03:09:15] <physkets> also, I'm at work
[03:09:23] <Lucifer_arma> ah, you're a European
[03:09:45] <Lucifer_arma> I know that because it's 2am in Texas right now, and nobody who works with computers is at work right now in Texas
[03:09:49] <physkets> I can just open it check it out, but wouldn't be nice if I play a full game
[03:10:02] <physkets> :)
[03:11:09] <Lucifer_arma> also, after Z-Man said something here about the physics origination of your name, I went and read about it, and I came up with one conclusion
[03:11:15] <Lucifer_arma> Damn, dude, you're nerdier than me
[03:11:50] <Lucifer_arma> I thought the origin of my name was both nerdy and rebellious, and it turns out it's just rebellious
[03:11:56] <Lucifer_arma> there's no nerd involved
[03:12:03] <Lucifer_arma> um, oops
[03:12:22] <physkets> :D What's 'arma'?
[03:12:31] <Lucifer_arma> in hindsight, I should've gone with something like "HarryPotterWorshipsSatan"
[03:12:39] <Lucifer_arma> arma is armagetron, obviously
[03:12:44] <physkets> oh!
[03:12:49] <Lucifer_arma> I used to own the name "Lucifer" on freenode
[03:13:04] <Lucifer_arma> then I let it lapse, and didn't do anything about it.  So somebody else came along and claimed the name.
[03:13:13] <Lucifer_arma> since they're still using it, I can't take it back.
[03:13:15] <physkets> ah... shoot; that's unfortunate
[03:13:20] <Lucifer_arma> fucking immigrant.
[03:13:33] <Lucifer_arma> because, you know, I'm in Texas, so I blame immigrants for everything.
[03:14:06] <physkets> haha
[03:14:14] <Lucifer_arma> so now I'm "Lucifer of Armagetron Advanced".  But that's a lot of characters to type
[03:14:46] <Lucifer_arma> it wouldn't show in most irc clients.  In fact, I might be "Lucifer_Armagetron_Advanced" and you wouldn't know becuase your irc client truncates names after a certain number of characters
[03:15:08] <Lucifer_arma> so, maybe you asked a dumb question :)
[03:15:29] <Lucifer_arma> ok, I just spent an evening watching stand-up comics, so now I'm talking like one
[03:16:13] <Lucifer_arma> but hey, whenever I join a new channel, I say "Hey, I have [some problem] with your app, could you help me?" and people immediately help me
[03:16:17] <Lucifer_arma> it's amazing.
[03:16:51] <Lucifer_arma> like, you describe your problem and people help you.  They're obviously seeing me as one of the evil triumvirates of armagetron, so naturally they're trying to help me as quickly as possible
[03:17:04] <Lucifer_arma> they want to be sure their soul will be protected in the lake of fire
[03:17:20] <Lucifer_arma> there's absolutely no chance they're just being nice
[03:17:25] <Lucifer_arma> not even a possibility
[03:24:28] <Lucifer_arma> wow, not even a fake lol?
[03:25:05] <Lucifer_arma> I obviously need to work on my comedy
[04:16:03] <physkets> Lucifer_arma: Sorry, I was AFK
[04:16:21] <physkets> :p
[04:22:12] <physkets> Yep, makes sense... When the devil comes knocking, you do whatever you can... :D
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[14:36:11] <physkets> Hey, guys, what exactly is the 'rubber'?
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[15:39:33] <Z-Man> Oh, stop dropping out you guys.
[15:45:18] <sinewav> Everything Ok in here?
[16:00:42] <Z-Man> Probably, I'm just annoyed that Lucifer_arma and physkets aren't here.
[16:01:01] <Z-Man> Mildly annoyed.
[16:03:29] <sinewav> Today is a Holiday in the US
[16:03:36] <sinewav> So maybe that's why?
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[06:15:49] <physkets> Hey!
[06:15:57] <physkets> When I build, I get this error:
[06:16:20] <physkets> "configure: WARNING: The library protobuf (Google Protobuf Buffers) has a broken dependency on library pthread on your system."
[06:16:25] <physkets> Is that an issue?
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[12:46:53] <physkets> What exactly is 'rubber'?
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[22:32:36] <sinewav> physkets: Some think rubber is a mistake. Others aren't sure what it is. Officially it's this:
[22:32:36] <sinewav> http://wiki.armagetronad.org/index.php?title=Rubber
[23:19:25] <physkets> oh! THanks for the link!
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