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Feb 07 02:28:46 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Well, that was disappointing
Feb 07 02:29:15 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	oh good, election news
Feb 07 02:38:04 2016 <Luke-Jr>	?
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Feb 07 03:03:15 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Luke-Jr: I was hoping for more on the forums, and there was just something in the "bunch of trolls" thread
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Feb 07 09:17:16 2016 <ljrbot>	ct|kyle: http://crazy-tronners.com/kyle/random/rand160207091713.txt  2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9, 6, 4,
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Feb 07 10:54:05 2016 <P4>	]help randomteam
Feb 07 10:54:05 2016 <ljrbot>	P4: (randomteam <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch [concat http://crazy-tronners.com/kyle/random_2.php?teams=[urlquote $*]]".
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Feb 07 13:02:34 2016 <Word>	sparks need some subs, i think
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Feb 07 13:07:04 2016 <sinewav>	Word I needed to compile a new version of Arma. I lost all my settings. Setting up the game now.
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Feb 07 14:33:57 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	guru3: what's with the forums loading so slowly, and mostly not at all?
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Feb 07 14:46:58 2016 <AmarokNelg>	z-man: I'm having trouble connecting to the forums
Feb 07 14:48:28 2016 <z-man>	Tweezy is attacking the forums.
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Feb 07 14:53:46 2016 <AmarokNelg>	z-man: ah
Feb 07 14:54:36 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	shouldn't he be watching the Super Bowl with all the other asshats?
Feb 07 14:54:40 2016 <z-man>	      I know its definitely him because he blackmailed me on my ladle server to get unbanned.
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Feb 07 14:56:43 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	can he wait until we decide if it's ethical or not to eat beef before attacking?
Feb 07 15:03:42 2016 <AmarokNelg>	maybe you guys should have a your website a lot more resistant to attacks
Feb 07 15:06:24 2016 <guru3>	well this doesn't sound good
Feb 07 15:07:01 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'm curious how you'd do that on the shoestring budget we have
Feb 07 15:07:18 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it's not like we can just make 100 mirrors of the forums.  Hell, we don't even have 100 active users.
Feb 07 15:09:25 2016 <guru3>	-rw-r--r-- 1 root  root      21560683 Feb  7 12:08 access.log
Feb 07 15:09:34 2016 <guru3>	-rw-r--r-- 1 guru3 pg1209952   422849 Feb  5 00:35 access.log.2016-02-04.gz
Feb 07 15:09:42 2016 <guru3>	yes, there is definetely something up
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Feb 07 15:12:48 2016 <guru3>	it looks like i could enable cloudfare, Lucifer_arma, z-manuel , what do you think?
Feb 07 15:12:51 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	sure it's not Trump supporters trying to vote early?
Feb 07 15:12:59 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	what's cloudfare?
Feb 07 15:13:32 2016 <guru3>	it's a proxy/caching service
Feb 07 15:13:47 2016 <guru3>	instead of requests going directly to our webhost, it goes to them
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Feb 07 15:13:58 2016 <guru3>	they then fetch from us if needed
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Feb 07 15:17:12 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	how well does that work with a website that generates its pages for each page request?
Feb 07 15:17:56 2016 <guru3>	i have no idea really
Feb 07 15:18:21 2016 <guru3>	but i assume it does
Feb 07 15:18:46 2016 <guru3>	https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-tips-using-cloudflare-for-your-for/
Feb 07 15:18:48 2016 <dbdbot>	Title: CloudFlare Tips: Using CloudFlare for your forums (at blog.cloudflare.com)
Feb 07 15:19:11 2016 <guru3>	seems to be supported
Feb 07 15:19:13 2016 <z-man>	Z-manuel is really me
Feb 07 15:19:34 2016 <z-manuel>	My laptop just died last week and I have not yet set up IRC here correctly. GRR.
Feb 07 15:20:01 2016 <z-manuel>	The other account is on crappy phone IRC, so really painful to use.
Feb 07 15:20:21 2016 <z-manuel>	Ayway, yeah, I suppose cloudflare works all right.
Feb 07 15:20:37 2016 <z-manuel>	Trouble is, if he already has the server's real IP, he can just attack that.
Feb 07 15:21:29 2016 <guru3>	the fact thatit's showing up in access.log
Feb 07 15:21:32 2016 <guru3>	means that he's not
Feb 07 15:21:46 2016 <guru3>	or rather, means i find it unlikely
Feb 07 15:21:50 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	um, how can he even get logged in access.log without having the server's IP?
Feb 07 15:21:54 2016 <guru3>	because that would require some special software to spoof the http headers
Feb 07 15:22:06 2016 <guru3>	because it's a shared webhost
Feb 07 15:22:13 2016 <z-manuel>	Oh, guru3: There's a thread on the forums about adding a trial period to new users so their posts require mod approval :http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24378 Check it out and add your .02$.
Feb 07 15:22:15 2016 <dbdbot>	Title: Armagetron Forums :: View topic - Them Trolls (Split) (at forums3.armagetronad.net)
Feb 07 15:22:26 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	how easy is it to change the server's IP?  If he's already got it, then changing to cloudfare won't fix it
Feb 07 15:22:51 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	also, being able to put old users on probation when they misbehave, as an additional tool to temporary bans
Feb 07 15:23:38 2016 <guru3>	i can't change the server's ip
Feb 07 15:23:43 2016 <guru3>	shared webhost
Feb 07 15:25:13 2016 <guru3>	there's also the fact that i'm in a hotel at a conference at the moment
Feb 07 15:25:22 2016 <guru3>	there's not a lot i can do overall
Feb 07 15:25:33 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	you can keep farting
Feb 07 15:25:38 2016 *	Lucifer_arma is in an odd mood
Feb 07 15:25:46 2016 <guru3>	not sure how that would help the situation, ;)
Feb 07 15:26:06 2016 <guru3>	but i shall bear in mind that not withholding farts may help, and proceed accordingly
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Feb 07 15:28:49 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	cloudfare looks interesting.  Cost?
Feb 07 15:28:54 2016 <guru3>	free
Feb 07 15:29:04 2016 <guru3>	it's included with the hosting plan
Feb 07 15:29:10 2016 <guru3>	first time i've ever noticed it though
Feb 07 15:29:15 2016 <AmarokNelg>	you use dreamhost?
Feb 07 15:29:21 2016 <guru3>	yeah
Feb 07 15:29:25 2016 <AmarokNelg>	is that also free?
Feb 07 15:29:42 2016 <guru3>	no that i pay for with the help of the occaisional donation
Feb 07 15:30:54 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	there's also a free version of the service.  Do you get the free version with the hosting plan, or the Pro version?
Feb 07 15:31:14 2016 <guru3>	the free version?
Feb 07 15:31:20 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'm not seeing a reason not to try it.  It would definitely be nice to not have to clean up every time some asshat gets their butt hurt and decides to attack the forums
Feb 07 15:31:20 2016 <guru3>	is there a particular need for the pro version?
Feb 07 15:31:33 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	no, I was just wondering which came with the hosting plan
Feb 07 15:31:40 2016 <guru3>	i have no idea which it comes with
Feb 07 15:31:50 2016 <guru3>	it's just a tickbox that says 'enable cloudflare'
Feb 07 15:32:45 2016 <guru3>	apparently the big difference is ssl, which we're not using anyway
Feb 07 15:32:55 2016 <z-manuel>	Well, can't hurt then.
Feb 07 15:33:17 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it looked like they had ssl in the free version
Feb 07 15:33:27 2016 <guru3>	oh maybe the dreamhost wiki is out of date then
Feb 07 15:33:35 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	on a slightly different note, I think the next GOP presidential debate should require waterboarding every candidate for every question
Feb 07 15:37:03 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	or we should at least use "advanced interrogation techniques" on Trump every time he lies
Feb 07 15:37:41 2016 <guru3>	onk cloudfare has been enabled
Feb 07 15:37:44 2016 <guru3>	*ok
Feb 07 15:37:58 2016 <guru3>	if it all explodes i\ll next be available in about 12 hours
Feb 07 15:39:16 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	roger that
Feb 07 15:40:01 2016 <guru3>	hopefully it won't, but yeah
Feb 07 15:42:27 2016 <z-manuel>	Have a fun conference!
Feb 07 15:42:39 2016 <AmarokNelg>	hahahahahahahahahaha doubt it
Feb 07 15:42:43 2016 <guru3>	woo
Feb 07 15:42:44 2016 <z-manuel>	Farting should probably be limited to the hotel room.
Feb 07 15:43:29 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	oh no, science says holding your farts in decreases your life expectancy
Feb 07 15:43:42 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	meanwhile, smelling other people's farts does nothing to your life expectancy
Feb 07 15:43:54 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	that's why we are still listening to Trump
Feb 07 15:44:15 2016 <guru3>	oh you guys
Feb 07 15:44:37 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	stick around and we might make a triumvirate vote on public farting
Feb 07 15:44:41 2016 <z-manuel>	Sure that was not just a plot in South Park?
Feb 07 15:44:53 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	never watched South Park :)
Feb 07 15:45:06 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	won't this year either, because the GOP primary is so entertaining
Feb 07 15:45:23 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it's the three stooges running for president
Feb 07 15:45:37 2016 <AmarokNelg>	does lucifer always joke like this?
Feb 07 15:45:56 2016 <guru3>	it's not out of character i'd say
Feb 07 15:46:13 2016 <guru3>	and now i'm off to breakfast and then the conference, so packing away the laptop
Feb 07 15:46:17 2016 <guru3>	ttyl
Feb 07 15:46:23 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	later, guru3
Feb 07 15:46:28 2016 <z-manuel>	later
Feb 07 15:47:14 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it's either hang out here and tell bad jokes or kick my kick off the xbox and play my Star Trek game.  I'm in the mood for some mild virtual genociding
Feb 07 15:48:46 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	and there won't be interesting election news until tuesday evening anyway
Feb 07 15:49:25 2016 <z-manuel>	Surely, Trump will say something interesting in the meantime.
Feb 07 15:49:46 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	doubtful.  I think he's running out of hate.
Feb 07 15:50:04 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'd like him to win at least one primary so he can give a victory speech where he says "You're fired!"
Feb 07 15:50:44 2016 <z-manuel>	He can do that when he loses; he can fire the entire party that failed to elect him.
Feb 07 15:50:51 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	heh
Feb 07 15:51:10 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	my money's on Rubio this time.  It'll be Rubio v Sanders, and Sanders will clean the floor with Rubio
Feb 07 15:51:32 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	hopefully he'll tap Clinton for veep, so when he dies of natural causes in a couple of years, we'll still get Clinton
Feb 07 15:52:18 2016 <z-manuel>	You say that like you already have natural causes planned.
Feb 07 15:52:46 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	well, if I were going to sell my soul to do something to Sanders, it'd be to ensure he wins and serves two terms
Feb 07 15:53:07 2016 *	Lucifer_arma has gotten all caught up on Supernatural
Feb 07 15:53:12 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	except for season 11
Feb 07 15:53:56 2016 <z-manuel>	's good?
Feb 07 15:54:04 2016 *	z-manuel checks whether it's on amazon prime here
Feb 07 15:54:30 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	really good.  I have to admit I didn't like their portrayal of Lucifer, but if that's my only complaint, that's saying something
Feb 07 15:55:13 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	we went through firefly in nothing flat and are now on farscape, heh
Feb 07 15:55:49 2016 <z-manuel>	9 seasons are, and in the original version. If only I had time to watch MY TV.
Feb 07 15:56:00 2016 <z-manuel>	It's all My Little Pony and stuff right now.
Feb 07 15:56:09 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	oh yeah, the two brothers arguing all the time and breaking up at least once per season gets a bit old
Feb 07 15:56:26 2016 <z-manuel>	On the plus side, Kid's TV is MUUCH better now than Iremember it being back when I was little.
Feb 07 15:56:32 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	hah, I got my kids into star trek as soon as they learned English so I could watch something decent every now and then
Feb 07 15:57:52 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'm not so sure I agree with that, but I've heard Good Things about the new My Little Pony serieses
Feb 07 15:58:21 2016 <z-manuel>	It is pretty darn good.
Feb 07 15:59:51 2016 <z-manuel>	What round is the ladle even in right now? There were never more than two games at once.
Feb 07 16:00:03 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	honestly, I'm glad my kids are older.  We're not stuck watching Barbie movies every day
Feb 07 16:00:11 2016 <z-manuel>	Guess that comes with 6 teams.
Feb 07 16:00:15 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	in fact, I haven't seen a barbie movie in 8 years or so
Feb 07 16:00:20 2016 <z-manuel>	We're pre-filtering. Barbie movies are right out.
Feb 07 16:00:42 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	we pre-filtered too, but barbie movies made it through the filter.  Damned grandparents!
Feb 07 16:00:49 2016 <z-manuel>	Of course, then she catches some ad for another show in the post-show commercial block...
Feb 07 16:01:12 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	ah, the beauty of not having cable
Feb 07 16:01:19 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	or any form of broadcast tv
Feb 07 16:01:37 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	nowadays, even piracy isn't so useful what with all the streaming media services
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Feb 07 16:02:21 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	I'm guessing Z-girl has a likelihood of being scared watching Supernatural
Feb 07 16:03:02 2016 <z-manuel>	We're watching from recorded shows, so in principle, we have everything under control. Just somethimes, something slips through.
Feb 07 16:03:18 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	yeah, I've had that happen too
Feb 07 16:03:34 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	usually it was in the form of christmas/birthday presents, for which I had very little control
Feb 07 16:03:36 2016 <z-manuel>	So far, she's showing good taste. Worst thing was "Cloe's Closet" where they recycle the same three stolen songs with new lyrics every epiosode.
Feb 07 16:04:28 2016 <z-manuel>	And she likes scary stuff. Maybe not adult scary stuff, though :)
Feb 07 16:04:36 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	has she started obsessively watching stuff?
Feb 07 16:04:53 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Finding Nemo five times a day got old, even for that movie, heh
Feb 07 16:05:06 2016 <z-manuel>	We let her watch what she wants while she does her inhalations.
Feb 07 16:05:16 2016 <z-manuel>	And yeah, Frozen about 10 times in a row.
Feb 07 16:05:23 2016 <z-manuel>	not on one day :)
Feb 07 16:05:43 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	oh no!  Not Disney's gay story!
Feb 07 16:05:50 2016 *	Lucifer_arma hasn't seen it.  ;)
Feb 07 16:06:35 2016 <z-manuel>	It's not gay, it's feminist. Two female leads who dare to have thoughts on their own.
Feb 07 16:06:38 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	but I've had more than my fill of first person shooters.  Damn teenagers.
Feb 07 16:07:14 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	yeah, I'm familiar with the story.  My oldest gave me the low-down on it.  I just can't bring myself to watch another Pixar movie, after having seen so many
Feb 07 16:07:44 2016 <z-manuel>	I don't think it's Pixar. Plain old main Disney.
Feb 07 16:07:54 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	besides, my kids don't want me knowing Frozen songs.  I'll regale them with Frozen songs until they're sick of the movie.
Feb 07 16:07:55 2016 <z-manuel>	They do computer animation now, too.
Feb 07 16:08:11 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	really?  I thought Disney was done with animation and just letting Pixar carry the load
Feb 07 16:08:46 2016 <z-manuel>	I think so. It does not have the Pixar logo at the start, and I think the real ones still do.
Feb 07 16:08:53 2016 *	z-manuel hasn't seen Inside Out yet
Feb 07 16:10:07 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	Up! was the last Pixar movie I saw, and I managed to miss the one about the fat humans and the droids that work for them
Feb 07 16:10:32 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	WALL-E, that's it.  ;)
Feb 07 16:13:57 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	do we have a test to determine what animals are sentient?  Or are we still debating what sentience is?
Feb 07 16:14:11 2016 <z-manuel>	We have the mirror test.
Feb 07 16:14:26 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	that's recognizing that the being in the mirror is you, right?
Feb 07 16:14:30 2016 <z-manuel>	Usually, paint a doton their forehead, place them in front of a mirrror.
Feb 07 16:14:46 2016 <z-manuel>	If they notice THEY have the dot and clean it, we know they have something.
Feb 07 16:15:01 2016 <z-manuel>	That test failed for pigs, suprisingly.
Feb 07 16:15:15 2016 <z-manuel>	Even though later tests revealed that they do recognize themselves.
Feb 07 16:15:29 2016 <z-manuel>	They just don't care about dirt in their faces.
Feb 07 16:15:59 2016 <z-manuel>	But anyway, that's not full sentience. I guess nobody has really defined what that really means.
Feb 07 16:16:05 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	ah.  That wouldn't work on cats, they'd notice the dot being painted and scratch you
Feb 07 16:17:00 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	well, there's an interesting ethical question raised by Light.  If current food animals are sentient, then obviously we can't eat them.  But would that turn into them being able to consent to sexual relations with humans?
Feb 07 16:17:16 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	or is inter-species sex always wrong, and Spock is a freak born of original sin?
Feb 07 16:17:35 2016 <z-manuel>	Either you can eat it or you can fuck it, I say.
Feb 07 16:17:46 2016 <z-manuel>	EXCEPT FOR KIDS.
Feb 07 16:17:58 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	hahahaha
Feb 07 16:23:14 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	my kids are animals.  They'd eat sentient beings, except for people.
Feb 07 16:23:27 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	where have I gone wrong?  Was it too much Star Trek?
Feb 07 16:23:55 2016 <AmarokNelg>	so are the forums being cached right now?
Feb 07 16:40:18 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	dunno.  They're hit and miss slow for me right now.
Feb 07 16:42:50 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	it's on cloudflare now, I just got an error page about it
Feb 07 16:53:56 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	]ping
Feb 07 16:53:56 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	dbdbot: ping
Feb 07 16:53:56 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	ljrbot: ping
Feb 07 16:53:56 2016 <ljrbot>	pong
Feb 07 16:53:57 2016 <ljrbot>	pong
Feb 07 16:53:57 2016 <dbdbot>	pong
Feb 07 17:03:11 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	ljrbot: ping
Feb 07 17:03:11 2016 <ljrbot>	pong
Feb 07 17:05:51 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	my oldest just explained what irl means.  I about roflmao'd all over the place
Feb 07 17:09:23 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	ljrbot: ping
Feb 07 17:09:24 2016 <ljrbot>	pong
Feb 07 17:19:04 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	guru3: forums are broke now
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Feb 07 18:22:28 2016 <AmarokNelg>	Not Found
Feb 07 18:22:28 2016 <AmarokNelg>	The requested URL / was not found on this server.
Feb 07 18:22:28 2016 <AmarokNelg>	Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
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Feb 07 18:43:34 2016 <Monkey__>	I'm guessing that people already know that the forums are down? If so, anyone know what happened to them?
Feb 07 18:43:40 2016 <Monkey__>	ddosers?
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Feb 07 18:49:24 2016 <ct|kyle>	Monkey__: at first yes, but now because of a change
Feb 07 18:50:57 2016 <Monkey__>	ok, thanks for the reply ct|kyle... so what change is happening ?
Feb 07 18:56:40 2016 <ct|kyle>	Monkey__: they enabled cloudfare
Feb 07 18:57:02 2016 *	Monkey__ googles cloudfare
Feb 07 18:57:39 2016 <ct|kyle>	and guru3 will be back in 8 around hours to fix it
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Feb 07 19:01:31 2016 <Monkey__>	looks good, hopefully that will keep the annoying script kiddies at bay
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Feb 07 19:48:16 2016 <AmarokNelg>	@ Monkey__ 
Feb 07 19:48:17 2016 -dbdbot/#armagetron-	AmarokNelg: Error: "Monkey__" is not a valid command.
Feb 07 19:48:19 2016 <AmarokNelg>	!google cloudfare
Feb 07 19:48:22 2016 <nelg-bot>	AmarokNelg: <https://www.cloudflare.com/> - CloudFlare | CloudFlare | The web performance & security company
Feb 07 19:48:22 2016 <dbdbot>	Title: CloudFlare | CloudFlare | The web performance & security company (at www.cloudflare.com)
Feb 07 19:48:46 2016 <Monkey__>	ok thx :P
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Feb 07 20:01:47 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	considering the forums were under attack, the possibility exists the attacker got in and did some serious damage
Feb 07 20:02:16 2016 <Lucifer_arma>	the error page when cloudflare wasn't able to reach the forums is different than the "there is no website here" error pages we're getting now
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Feb 07 20:19:22 2016 <Ratchett>	okay so
Feb 07 20:19:33 2016 <Ratchett>	is my computer being dumb or is the site down?
Feb 07 20:19:58 2016 <Ratchett>	ct|kyle, dlh Hoax guru3 Lucifer_arma Monkey__ sinewav
Feb 07 20:20:24 2016 <Ratchett>	I'm getting a 404 error on the forums and the main domain :/
Feb 07 20:20:42 2016 <Monkey__>	Ratchett its down due to an attacker but theyre fixing it and getting ddos protection too
Feb 07 20:20:44 2016 <Hoax>	down
Feb 07 20:20:55 2016 <Ratchett>	fml, okay thanks
Feb 07 20:21:06 2016 <Monkey__>	hey btw :)
Feb 07 20:21:15 2016 <Ratchett>	hi :) watching super bowl lol
Feb 07 20:21:22 2016 <Monkey__>	i guessed so
Feb 07 20:21:26 2016 <Ratchett>	was working on a school assignment and figured I'd check the forums
Feb 07 20:21:31 2016 <Ratchett>	and then I was sad
Feb 07 20:21:35 2016 <Ratchett>	how long have they been down?
Feb 07 20:21:35 2016 <Monkey__>	:\
Feb 07 20:21:39 2016 <Monkey__>	i dont know
Feb 07 20:21:41 2016 <Ratchett>	ah
Feb 07 20:21:54 2016 <Ratchett>	well, how have you been??
Feb 07 20:22:29 2016 <Monkey__>	im ok thx, u?
Feb 07 20:22:45 2016 <Ratchett>	pretty good. stressed and busy but good :)
Feb 07 20:22:52 2016 <Monkey__>	hows the course?
Feb 07 20:23:35 2016 <Ratchett>	going great, except for one class that I'm annoyed with
Feb 07 20:24:01 2016 <Monkey__>	which is?
Feb 07 20:24:03 2016 <Ratchett>	a microelectronics course that focuses on bipolar junction transistors and the like; my teacher is incredibly poor at stimulating interest
Feb 07 20:24:20 2016 <Ratchett>	and the analysis of them in circuits is less than thrilling
Feb 07 20:24:26 2016 <Monkey__>	:\
Feb 07 20:24:36 2016 <Monkey__>	i think teachers can make the difference
Feb 07 20:24:40 2016 <Ratchett>	very much so
Feb 07 20:25:17 2016 <Ratchett>	I think the class would be interesting with a different professor. a more "readable" textbook would greatly improve my outlook as well
Feb 07 20:25:24 2016 <Ratchett>	but, I can't change it, so I have to adapt haha
Feb 07 20:25:34 2016 <Monkey__>	bad book + bad teacher = fail
Feb 07 20:25:48 2016 <Monkey__>	i know the feeling
Feb 07 20:25:54 2016 <Ratchett>	yup! it's the first engineering exam I've failed lol
Feb 07 20:25:57 2016 <Ratchett>	I'm a 3.8 student
Feb 07 20:26:25 2016 <Ratchett>	I'll survive; I'll probably still get a B in the class. I just have to put more time towards it
Feb 07 20:26:40 2016 <Monkey__>	yeah
Feb 07 20:27:03 2016 <Ratchett>	only a year left. I'm pretty excited about that. I'm nearly done with my Junior year
Feb 07 20:27:19 2016 <Ratchett>	only one quarter left :p
Feb 07 20:27:31 2016 <Monkey__>	nice. are you going to do any further study after that or go into work?
Feb 07 20:28:02 2016 <Ratchett>	I'm looking to go into work. I plan on taking the Fundamentals of Engineering and the Professional Engineering exams to become a PE
Feb 07 20:28:22 2016 <Monkey__>	PE = professional engineer?
Feb 07 20:28:24 2016 <Ratchett>	yup
Feb 07 20:28:37 2016 <Monkey__>	good luck man
Feb 07 20:28:52 2016 <Ratchett>	even if you have an engineering degree, you're not properly recognized until you become a PE
Feb 07 20:29:04 2016 <Ratchett>	thanks! it's a big goal of mine haha
Feb 07 20:29:26 2016 <Monkey__>	i didnt know that. here in the UK i dont think we have that ...although i wouldnt really know because i did computer science/software engineering
Feb 07 20:29:53 2016 <Ratchett>	yeah; I'm not certain about that
Feb 07 20:30:05 2016 <Ratchett>	the purpose of becoming a PE is more geared towards construction companies anyways
Feb 07 20:30:09 2016 <Monkey__>	right
Feb 07 20:30:16 2016 <Ratchett>	you can't "stamp" drawings unless you're a PE
Feb 07 20:30:24 2016 <Monkey__>	ah ok
Feb 07 20:30:55 2016 <Ratchett>	essentially, the person who stamps it is responsible for ensuring the construction document conforms to all standards
Feb 07 20:31:41 2016 <Monkey__>	so its serious shiz
Feb 07 20:32:10 2016 <Ratchett>	to some people it doesn't matter, but it's something I'd like to add to my resume haha
Feb 07 20:32:31 2016 <Ratchett>	it demands a bit more respect, especially with regards to pay
Feb 07 20:32:56 2016 <Monkey__>	when u say construction, you mean construction of computer hardware or? IIRC you were doing Electronic Engineering or is my memory bad?
Feb 07 20:33:18 2016 <Ratchett>	I'm doing EE :)
Feb 07 20:33:27 2016 <Monkey__>	thought so :P
Feb 07 20:33:45 2016 <Ratchett>	I'm sure some IC manufacturing requires stamped drawings, I'm not certain though.
Feb 07 20:33:52 2016 <Ratchett>	as far as EE's go, it's mostly substation design
Feb 07 20:34:01 2016 <Ratchett>	and the associated electrical drawings
Feb 07 20:34:24 2016 <Ratchett>	EE's who specialize in power distribution mostly need PE certification
Feb 07 20:35:02 2016 <Monkey__>	what is substation design?
Feb 07 20:35:45 2016 <Ratchett>	https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/electric_power/images/substation_energy_flow.jpg
Feb 07 20:35:49 2016 <Ratchett>	the design of those lol
Feb 07 20:36:27 2016 <Ratchett>	taking high voltage, low current lines and transforming it into usable voltage, medium current lines
Feb 07 20:36:48 2016 <Ratchett>	generally, electricity is transmitted at mega high voltages, more than 300kV
Feb 07 20:37:13 2016 <Ratchett>	the purpose being: less current means less power loss in the transmission wires
Feb 07 20:37:26 2016 <Monkey__>	oh so EE is electrical engineering not electronic or?
Feb 07 20:37:47 2016 <Ratchett>	Electrical Engineering is both, and more
Feb 07 20:38:05 2016 <Monkey__>	ah ok
Feb 07 20:38:11 2016 <Ratchett>	you can choose to specialize in power, electronics, or communications at my university
Feb 07 20:38:28 2016 <Ratchett>	electronics also falls under the umbrella of "controls"
Feb 07 20:38:38 2016 <Ratchett>	which is what I intend to specialize in
Feb 07 20:39:03 2016 <Monkey__>	how can you specialize in controls when it's an umbrella term?
Feb 07 20:39:11 2016 <Ratchett>	lol
Feb 07 20:39:14 2016 <Monkey__>	:P
Feb 07 20:40:18 2016 <Ratchett>	it's incredibly difficult to offer everything EE has to offer in school haha
Feb 07 20:40:46 2016 <Ratchett>	with a specialization in controls, I can still work with IC's, microprocessors, PLC/DCSs, etc
Feb 07 20:41:08 2016 <Ratchett>	I want to do factory/plant automation
Feb 07 20:41:12 2016 <Ratchett>	I like programming
Feb 07 20:41:32 2016 <Monkey__>	what languages have you learnt?
Feb 07 20:41:38 2016 <Ratchett>	this summer I'm going to be working with Albemarle in their EE/ChemE department doing PLCs
Feb 07 20:42:05 2016 <Ratchett>	I have never had a course or proper teaching in programming
Feb 07 20:42:11 2016 <Monkey__>	meh, i
Feb 07 20:42:20 2016 <Monkey__>	im mostly self taught too
Feb 07 20:42:23 2016 <Ratchett>	I've learned C/C++ and C# on my own
Feb 07 20:42:28 2016 <Monkey__>	me too lol
Feb 07 20:42:30 2016 <Ratchett>	my favorite is C#
Feb 07 20:42:41 2016 <Monkey__>	but but...microsoft ...
Feb 07 20:42:42 2016 <Ratchett>	lol
Feb 07 20:42:44 2016 <Monkey__>	:)
Feb 07 20:42:52 2016 <Ratchett>	I know, I just like how intuitive the language is
Feb 07 20:43:01 2016 <Monkey__>	ive actually heard its quite good
Feb 07 20:43:06 2016 <Monkey__>	its supposed to be like java but better
Feb 07 20:43:26 2016 <Monkey__>	im currently learning C on my own accord
Feb 07 20:43:33 2016 <Ratchett>	even if I'm working with something I've never heard of, I can usually figure out how to use it because of how streamlined the language is
Feb 07 20:43:42 2016 <Ratchett>	it's just... easy to learn as you go
Feb 07 20:43:50 2016 <Monkey__>	right
Feb 07 20:44:09 2016 <Ratchett>	I have used C a bit in my microprocessors class
Feb 07 20:44:25 2016 <Ratchett>	it's similar to C#, of course
Feb 07 20:44:40 2016 <Monkey__>	yes
Feb 07 20:45:08 2016 <Ratchett>	I've also done a small amount of FPGA programming in Verilog
Feb 07 20:45:15 2016 <Ratchett>	that was an interesting language
Feb 07 20:45:17 2016 <Monkey__>	verilog OO
Feb 07 20:45:23 2016 <Monkey__>	ive used prolog
Feb 07 20:45:32 2016 <Ratchett>	never heard of that lol
Feb 07 20:45:42 2016 <Monkey__>	ive never heard of verilog so we're even
Feb 07 20:45:47 2016 <Ratchett>	hahaha
Feb 07 20:46:09 2016 <Ratchett>	do you know the difference between structural programming and behavioral programming?
Feb 07 20:46:45 2016 <Monkey__>	i know structural but im not too sure about behavioural..i think it rings a bell but i dont recall what it means
Feb 07 20:47:39 2016 <Ratchett>	in the FPGA world: structural is programming using wires and gates
Feb 07 20:47:48 2016 <Ratchett>	logic gates, that is
Feb 07 20:48:09 2016 <Ratchett>	X = Y^(A|B)
Feb 07 20:48:10 2016 <Ratchett>	etc
Feb 07 20:48:15 2016 <Monkey__>	yes ok
Feb 07 20:48:16 2016 <Ratchett>	it's continuous
Feb 07 20:48:18 2016 <Monkey__>	right
Feb 07 20:48:31 2016 <Ratchett>	and behavioral is traditional programming, executing in a loop
Feb 07 20:48:43 2016 <Ratchett>	well, what I consider traditional programming lol
Feb 07 20:49:12 2016 <Monkey__>	yeah i was gonna say that in comp science, i would consider "structural programming" as traditional
Feb 07 20:49:13 2016 <Ratchett>	you set triggers to look for and develop code that happens when that trigger is hit
Feb 07 20:49:15 2016 <Ratchett>	like an interrupt
Feb 07 20:49:28 2016 <Monkey__>	ok
Feb 07 20:49:28 2016 <Ratchett>	interesting
Feb 07 20:49:38 2016 <Ratchett>	I didn't know people used that a whole lot :p
Feb 07 20:50:19 2016 <Monkey__>	its not just about logical operations in comp science
Feb 07 20:50:34 2016 <Monkey__>	structural has a slightly different meaning i guess
Feb 07 20:50:39 2016 <Ratchett>	sure
Feb 07 20:51:28 2016 <Ratchett>	what do you do in your employment?
Feb 07 20:52:12 2016 <Monkey__>	i work in a shop
Feb 07 20:52:15 2016 <Monkey__>	haha
Feb 07 20:52:18 2016 <Ratchett>	lol
Feb 07 20:52:24 2016 <Ratchett>	what kindof shop :P
Feb 07 20:52:24 2016 <Monkey__>	but im going to change that
Feb 07 20:52:27 2016 <Ratchett>	not using your degree?
Feb 07 20:52:28 2016 <ct|kyle>	Ratchett: I've only ise structural once, that was programming a PLD in high school
Feb 07 20:52:40 2016 <Monkey__>	we sell clothes, bric-a-brac and stuff
Feb 07 20:52:47 2016 <Ratchett>	ah, lol
Feb 07 20:52:49 2016 <Ratchett>	interesting Kyle
Feb 07 20:52:57 2016 <Ratchett>	it was a fun experience
Feb 07 20:53:08 2016 <Ratchett>	what are you going to do about it, monkey?
Feb 07 20:53:10 2016 <Monkey__>	yeah im not using my degree at all
Feb 07 20:53:39 2016 <Monkey__>	im either gonna get into software development or have my own business in the food industry
Feb 07 20:53:42 2016 <ct|kyle>	Monkey__: maybe it's because BSD is slowing you down?
Feb 07 20:53:47 2016 <Monkey__>	lmao kyle
Feb 07 20:54:14 2016 <Monkey__>	in 10 years time I'll remind you of that statement
Feb 07 20:54:17 2016 <Ratchett>	lol
Feb 07 20:54:20 2016 <Monkey__>	:P
Feb 07 20:54:34 2016 <Ratchett>	food industry?
Feb 07 20:54:37 2016 <Ratchett>	I like the sound of htat
Feb 07 20:54:38 2016 <Ratchett>	that*
Feb 07 20:54:44 2016 <Monkey__>	yeah ive been a cook/chef
Feb 07 20:54:57 2016 <ct|kyle>	Monkey__: https://xkcd.com/1508/
Feb 07 20:54:58 2016 <Ratchett>	I love cooking
Feb 07 20:54:58 2016 <dbdbot>	Title: xkcd: Operating Systems (at xkcd.com)
Feb 07 20:55:00 2016 <Monkey__>	and im very self taught in that too
Feb 07 20:55:11 2016 <Ratchett>	lol I'm from a cajun family
Feb 07 20:55:20 2016 <Ratchett>	my grandmother cooks some amazing food
Feb 07 20:55:21 2016 <Monkey__>	i like cajun flavours
Feb 07 20:55:26 2016 <Ratchett>	I've always wanted to cook as good has her
Feb 07 20:55:26 2016 <ct|kyle>	I'm done Ext.js and Yii at work
Feb 07 20:55:31 2016 <ct|kyle>	doning*
Feb 07 20:56:44 2016 <Monkey__>	GNU hurd LOL
Feb 07 20:56:48 2016 <Ratchett>	best of luck in your endeavors, monkey! I'm actually gonna go fix me something to eat haha
Feb 07 20:56:55 2016 <Ratchett>	good to see you, and you too Kyle
Feb 07 20:57:02 2016 <ct|kyle>	remember to add sugar to taste
Feb 07 20:57:05 2016 <Monkey__>	yeah see ya ratchett
Feb 07 20:57:11 2016 <ct|kyle>	https://xkcd.com
Feb 07 20:57:12 2016 <Ratchett>	I wish you both the best! I hope the forums come back up soon..
Feb 07 20:57:13 2016 <dbdbot>	Title: xkcd: To Taste (at xkcd.com)
Feb 07 20:57:17 2016 <Ratchett>	later :)
Feb 07 20:57:21 2016 <ct|kyle>	see you
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Feb 07 20:57:30 2016 <Monkey__>	what os do you use kyle?
Feb 07 20:57:39 2016 <ct|kyle>	Monkey__: gentoo
Feb 07 20:57:44 2016 <Monkey__>	:\
Feb 07 20:57:53 2016 <ct|kyle>	fedora, debian, ubuntu
Feb 07 20:57:55 2016 <Monkey__>	are you done compiling yet?
Feb 07 20:58:07 2016 <ct|kyle>	all of those for one reason or another :P
Feb 07 20:58:14 2016 <Monkey__>	i used to use debian (5 years) then slackware (3 years)
Feb 07 20:58:22 2016 <ct|kyle>	Monkey__: I save upgrades for cold nights :P
Feb 07 20:58:26 2016 <Monkey__>	 haha
Feb 07 21:48:06 2016 <AmarokNelg>	guru3: are you back around yet?
Feb 07 22:00:06 2016 <Monkey__>	gn
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