Log from 2009-07-01:
--- Day changed Wed Jul 01 2009
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00:09 <madmax> Flex: was it omega?
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00:13 <madmax> Vanhayes_: congrats, you succeeded on teaching today :-P
00:14 <epsy> madmax, no I'm not in denial, it annoys me :D
00:14 <madmax> :(
00:15 <epsy> where are my brackets :(
00:15 <dlh> epsy: sys.path?
00:16 <epsy> dlh, nah, I wanted the env var, found it anyway: PYTHONPATH
00:16 <dlh> Or PYTHONPATH
00:16 * dlh
00:16 * epsy
00:17 <Luke-Jr> …
00:20 <madmax>
00:35 <epsy> is there any notion of private/public methods in python?
00:59 <Flex> madmax, yeah
00:59 <Luke-Jr> sortof XD
00:59 <Flex> it was
00:59 <Luke-Jr> epsy: prefix private with _
00:59 <Luke-Jr> lol
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01:00 <epsy> Luke-Jr, ah ok, ty
01:10 <Vanhayes_> madmax, ya one a day, i met my quota
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01:13 <Flex> that's a hard one
01:13 <Flex> mine is probably one a month
01:14 <Flex> and invite someone to tron, once every 6 months
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01:15 <Flex> (solid invite, where they actually stay on to play,ect)
01:22 <noob13> .sd fort
01:22 <tronner> noob13: ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate's Mega Fortress0xffff88: 0xffff88Players (9/32): copy/appa, kpt.Kyrk, QUBIT, Radian, sine.wav, ubuntu_user, z3r0, zz 109, ~*Sasha*~ (Sasha@forums)
01:33 <epsy> meh
01:33 <epsy> how can I compare two lists?
01:34 <epsy> ['a', 'b'] == ['a', 'b'] gives me a syntax error :<
01:34 <epsy> do I have to check each value?
01:35 <madmax> that's probably not the error, because it's correct...
01:35 <epsy> if e.target() == self.mainchannel and ( e.arguments()[0] == ['+o', self.real_nickname] )
01:36 <epsy> it's pretty much showing the ^ at the last char
01:36 <epsy> it was the last ] before I added parenthesis
01:36 <epsy> now )
01:37 <madmax> hmm
01:38 <epsy> ah
01:38 <madmax> you have the : on the end of the if right
01:38 <epsy> :)
01:38 <epsy> that was it indeed
01:41 <epsy> it's shaping up :)
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02:26 <sam180307> Sam:
02:26 <sam180307> sam180307
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02:26 <epsy> I assure you, this isn't my bot
02:27 <epsy> hmm, I'm using a for loop on a list
02:27 <epsy> but I need the indexes :<
02:27 <epsy> well
02:27 <epsy> I just thought about another way
02:28 <epsy> of doing it
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02:29 <epsy> awave?
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02:51 <animuson_> whats the proper syntax for the respawn_player command?
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03:07 <animuson_> im using /admin respawn_player animuson 0 50 50 1 0
03:07 <animuson_> but it spawns me in some random spot
03:08 <animuson_> its CLOSE to the spot but not right on
03:15 <dlh> epsy: enumerate
03:17 <epsy> ty
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05:37 <epsy> dlh, fixing this would cause crappier bugs
05:43 <dlh> Like?
05:43 <dlh> epsy:
05:46 <epsy> weird GIDs if the user logs in again
05:46 <epsy> problem is that the name update has to happen right after the logout/login happens
05:46 <epsy> otherwise things get buggy
05:47 <epsy> basically, it's not something you want to fix in 0.2.8.3
05:47 <dlh> logout wouldn't be processed until end of the round
05:48 <epsy> well, that can get really crap for the admin if he has to hurry
05:48 <dlh> Allow instant logout for higher userlevels
05:49 <epsy> again, that's not something you want in stable
05:49 <Lucifer> I missed why it's a bug in the first place
05:49 <dlh> Considering the current behavior can be exploited, it is
05:50 <epsy> well, the older behaviour could be exploited for worser stuff
05:50 <epsy> it's a double-sided can of worms
05:50 <dlh> When you could change your name at anytime, people used it to spam and increase their ladder score.
05:51 <dlh> "stat-whoring"
05:51 <dlh> Not that ladder score is all that great
05:51 <Lucifer> ahhh, and we don't have ladder score linked to auth names yet, do we?
05:51 <dlh> No, when you log in using auth, your name recorded in the score files is your authenticated one
05:51 <epsy> dlh, well, with the older behviour you get buggy ladder entries, in the form of epsy@forumsepsy@forumsepsy@forums
05:52 <epsy> @bugs duplicating logout
05:52 <teabot> epsy: no results for: site:https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/ duplicating logout
05:52 <epsy> @bugs logout username
05:52 <teabot> epsy: no results for: site:https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/ logout username
05:52 <ct|kyle> @bugs gid
05:53 <teabot> ct|kyle: no results for: site:https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/ gid
05:53 <dlh> Well done bots :)
05:53 <epsy> yup
05:53 <epsy> @help bugs
05:53 <teabot> epsy: (bugs <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "g site:https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/ $*".
05:53 <epsy> @help alias add
05:53 <teabot> epsy: (alias add <name> <alias>) -- Defines an alias <name> that executes <alias>. The <alias> should be in the standard "command argument [nestedcommand argument]" arguments to the alias; they'll be filled with the first, second, etc. arguments. $1, $2, etc. can be used for required arguments. @1, @2, etc. can be used for optional arguments. $* simply means "all remaining arguments," and cannot be (1 more message)
05:53 <Lucifer> #g epsy
05:53 <Lucifer> @g epsy
05:53 <armabot> Lucifer: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:53 <teabot> Lucifer: http://www.epsy.com/ - EPSY - Marketing and Social Research
05:53 <ct|kyle> .g epsy
05:54 <epsy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/223625
05:54 <teabot> Launchpad bug 223625 in armagetronad "buggy username after /deop'ing" [Medium,Fix committed]
05:58 <epsy> blah, I seriousely hope this bot won't be Excess Flooding all the time
05:58 <epsy> otherwise I dunno what I'll do with it :/
05:59 <epsy> since we are 4 activve people
06:00 <epsy> Lucifer, ct|kyle dlh come please :x
06:00 <Lucifer> ok, why?
06:01 <Lucifer> I'm actually mostly in other windows right now
06:01 <epsy> testing if the bot doesnt go excessflood
06:01 <epsy> when announcing a game
06:01 <epsy> do I have to re-invite you?
06:01 <Lucifer> ok, fine, invite me again and I'll join
06:01 <Lucifer> but I won't talk :)
06:03 <epsy> Lucifer, well, just say !add fort :p
06:04 <dlh> Where is this?
06:05 <Lucifer> !add fort
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06:18 <epsy> nighty X_x
06:19 <epsy> ty all
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08:27 <dlh> #sd incam fort
08:28 <dlh> .sd incam fort
08:28 <tronner> dlh: PLUS + ¦Incam Fortress¦0xffff88: 0xffff88Players (8/16): Ca:en-IN-Vy:m, CtxWoned(incam), dubStep (KinKs@forums), Fadrad, free kill (free_kill_(inca@L_OP), i Am (teen@forums), pike, ToXiC
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09:55 <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [server-browser] r9 Show global ID in players list... || [server-browser] r8 Set table column sizes... || [server-browser] r7 Add version to detailed info... || [server-browser] r6 Ensure URI links start with http://, and remove version min/... || [server-browser] r5 Use instead of a spam with a click action attached for c... || [server-browser] r4 Added link to refresh server list... || [server-browser] r3 Remo
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10:25 <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [server-browser] r12 Add custom sorter for server column, much like the in-game o... || [server-browser] r11 Sort table first by users online, then by server name || [server-browser] r10 Reformatted the detailed server box...
10:29 <joda_bot> ping Luke-Jr
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10:30 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: I just tried layman to install armagetron on gentoo. how difficult is it to get a armagetronad-live with 0.2.8.x (e.g. latest stable beta :D)
10:42 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: I noticed there is an ebuild for that, but gentoo does not like it ... it thinks that ebuild is masked
10:43 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: talking about armagetronad-live-0.2.8_alpha8586.ebuild
10:57 <joda_bot> Luke-Jr: fixed it, I just was too stupid to unmask it, because it's not really a final release
10:58 <joda_bot> and I somehow considered 0.2.8.x branch as stable (but it's not an official release so that ebuild is masked)
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11:25 <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [armagetronad-old-glancing] r766 Merge from trunk || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r919 When handling an armagetronad:// URI event, return to the ma...
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17:18 <Luke-Jr> joda_bot: it is masked, of course
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18:16 <ct|kyle> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-9Mjm-Hohc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnews%2Ecnet%2Ecom%2F8301%2D17852%5F3%2D10276705%2D71%2Ehtml%3Fpart%3Drss%26subj%3Dnews%26tag%3D2547%2D1%5F3%2D0%2D20&feature=player_embedded
18:20 <madmax> sad.
18:20 <ct|kyle> ya
18:21 <ct|kyle> I figured IE was what was on the screen
18:22 <epsy> she pukes at IE right?
18:22 <epsy> :)
18:22 <ct|kyle> ya :P
18:22 <epsy> that's possibly the worst way to market such a feature IMO
18:22 <ct|kyle> I know
18:23 <epsy> if you're an obsessed perv, download internet explorer 8.0!
18:23 <ct|kyle> it's about as bad as those gates commercials
18:25 <epsy> epsy's fabulous python coding stories anyone?
18:25 <epsy> summary of today's episode: both configparser and objparser suck
18:26 <epsy> winner: plain python config file
18:27 <ct|kyle> epsy: if you hate python that much, why not use something else?
18:27 <epsy> lots of irc bots use it
18:27 <epsy> so I tried
18:27 <ct|kyle> just because it's popular doesn't mean it's right :P
18:28 <epsy> stop recommending it then
18:28 <ct|kyle> that doesen't mean I Don't like it
18:29 <ct|kyle> I'll probably be complaining in the next few weeks anyway
18:29 <epsy> 'games': {
18:29 <epsy> 'fort': ['Fortress', 4, 2],
18:29 <epsy> '4tf': ['Four Team Fortress', 16, 4],
18:29 <epsy> 'race': ['Race', 3, 0]
18:29 <epsy> },
18:29 <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [server-browser] r13 Highlight the current tr we are hovering over. CSS :hover is...
18:30 <epsy> would I better change each game description with dicts?
18:30 <ct|kyle> I would make a class
18:30 <akira_arma> #si fort
18:31 <epsy> it's a damn config file >.>
18:31 <akira_arma> .si fort
18:31 <tronner> akira_arma: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress.: Players (1/14): ~ZenTH~WG~INW~
18:31 <akira_arma> ..
18:31 <epsy> @tea
18:31 <akira_arma> .tea
18:31 <tronner> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
18:31 <teabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
18:31 <akira_arma> too many freaking bots
18:31 <epsy> use the right one ;p
18:31 <dlh> ]si tea
18:31 <ljrbot> dlh: Error: "si" is not a valid command.
18:31 <akira_arma> *tea
18:31 <dlh> &tea
18:32 <akira_arma> $tea
18:32 <akira_arma> haha
18:32 <epsy> !add fort
18:32 <epsy> :)
18:32 <madmax> ivantis & his bot are (still) banned? :(
18:32 <epsy> I have no idea where I will host the bot and it's servers
18:33 <epsy> :{
18:33 <ct|kyle> Luke-Jr: would tell you to by a vps from him :P
18:34 <epsy> ah, I know
18:34 <madmax> so you're doing something to arrange matches and...?
18:35 <epsy> yeah, anytime with anyone on irc
18:38 <epsy> is FTS abandonned again?
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18:59 <madmax> is it up even?
18:59 <madmax> #sd fts
19:00 <madmax> -_-
19:00 <madmax> .si fts
19:00 <tronner> madmax: There doesn\'t seem to be a server matching “fts” at the moment, sorry.
19:00 <madmax> .si fortress test
19:00 <tronner> madmax: Fortress Test Server: Players (0/16):
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19:25 <Luke-Jr> epsy: want a VPS for it? :þ
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20:11 <Vanhayes_> #canada
20:11 <Vanhayes_> aw, some go t rid of that
20:11 <Vanhayes_> happy canada day anyaways
20:15 <Vanhayes_> madmax, since i suggested AW get a team again does that mean i have to be team capt?
20:19 <Vanhayes_> meh i guess ill put my name down there for now
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20:30 <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [server-browser] r18 Added pressed state to refresh button. Also not a link anymo... || [server-browser] r17 Made users column a little bigger || [server-browser] r16 Removed refreshing server when you click it. Added refresh b... || [server-browser] r15 Removed static server detail box at bottom of page. Now when... || [server-browser] r14 Add server class, and use it when selecting all servers....
20:35 <Vanhayes_> hmm, server class?
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20:42 <dlh> Vanhayes_: it is a new web server browser.
20:42 <dlh> It seems Firefox 3.5's javascript engine is still too slow.
20:44 <madmax> Vanhayes_: fine by me :P
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20:48 <Vanhayes_> you can be capt if you want to
20:48 <Vanhayes_> abnyone else can be capt if they wan to
20:48 <Vanhayes_> the last time i was capt i think it was the spoon
20:48 <Vanhayes_> and that scarred me for life
20:49 <madmax> I'd rather not
20:50 <Vanhayes_> well hopefully it wont be as bad as the spoon
20:51 <Vanhayes_> though i think they would have to really try to make it bad for it to be even close
20:56 <PinkTomato> #ladle
20:56 <PinkTomato> @ladlelink
20:56 <PinkTomato> @ladle
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21:04 <PinkTomato> .ubuntu
21:04 <tronner> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
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21:11 <Vanhayes_> ugh the put a mountie as the L on google
21:14 <MrBougo> where?
21:14 <MrBougo> I don't see it D:
21:15 <MrBougo> oh, on google.ca
21:15 <MrBougo> he has a funny facd
21:15 <MrBougo> face*
21:15 <MrBougo> OMG VANHAYES_
21:15 <MrBougo> OMFG
21:15 <MrBougo> http://www.facebook.com/people/Van-Hayes/523448291
21:16 <MrBougo> he looks completely lost though
21:16 <Vanhayes_> ha i guess he had to wear a shirt, looks like a wedding
21:17 <MrBougo> maybe he had a little bucket of water in his pocket
21:17 <MrBougo> just in case
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21:30 <ljrbot> New news from bzr: [server-browser] r21 Add option to query other master server to server_list.php || [server-browser] r20 Remove stray server_details class || [server-browser] r19 Hide server details when refreshing entire list. It flickers...
21:42 <PinkTomato> Armagetron 0.2.8 latest uses ZThreads? Was not changed?
21:43 <dlh> ZThreads is not required.
21:44 <Luke-Jr> PinkTomato: I added pthreads support, but it is buggy
21:44 <Luke-Jr> so not used by default
21:44 <PinkTomato> Ah right, I'll get Zthreads then to make login nice.
21:46 <PinkTomato> Aah, some kind of compile error
21:48 <PinkTomato> ../include/zthread/Guard.h:494: error: there are no arguments to 'isDisabled' that depend on a template parameter, so a declaration of 'isDisabled' must be available
21:48 <PinkTomato> assuming it is due to a too new GCC
21:48 <PinkTomato> if you use '-fpermissive', G++ will accept your code, but allowing the use of an undeclared name is deprecated
21:49 <PinkTomato> Can anyone tell me how to do that with a ./configure thingy please?
21:52 <Luke-Jr> lulz
21:56 <PinkTomato> I really don't know what difference it makes, I rememebered it was CXXFLAGS
22:11 <Vanhayes_> #si fort
22:11 <Vanhayes_> .si fort
22:11 <tronner> Vanhayes_: ~|DS|~DarkSyndicate\'s Mega Fortress: Players (13/32): .×] Hoax, ct~orly?, DOS, Pichukid456, QUBIT, sunnyboy, sunnygirl, SunnyKid (Gonzap@ct), Vanhayes, ~*Delta*~, ~*dEmOnIk*~ (Demon@forums), ~|DS|~G5 (G5@forums), ~|DS|~zion
22:13 <Vanhayes_> ah ok, so hide ID does hied from here
22:17 <PinkTomato> .si pinktomato
22:17 <tronner> PinkTomato: There doesn\'t seem to be a server matching “pinktomato” at the moment, sorry.
22:17 <PinkTomato> .si PinkTomato
22:17 <tronner> PinkTomato: There doesn\'t seem to be a server matching “pinktomato” at the moment, sorry.
22:17 <PinkTomato> .si Ladle 23
22:17 <tronner> PinkTomato: Ladle 23 (Twi¦×¦ted ¦×¦ats) [ATL]: Players (0/32):
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22:37 <epsy> I think I just trolled the chan :x
22:37 <ct|kyle> lol
22:40 <epsy> I just found a bug earlier today
22:40 <epsy> [20:43] <@epsy>: !add fort fort fort fort
22:40 <epsy> [20:43] <@ArmaPickupBot>: Fortress game ready to start!
22:45 <ct|kyle> so what's the story part 2 of python today epsy?
22:45 <epsy> I already said the config parsers suck?
22:45 <ct|kyle> yes
22:45 <ct|kyle> that was part 1
22:46 <ct|kyle> that is probably why I never used them :P
22:47 <epsy> yeah I'm looking forward for a simple command to reload config and do the necessary stuff with the least interrupt
22:47 <PinkTomato> epsy, making a competiton serveR?
22:47 <epsy> pickup channel
22:47 <PinkTomato> pickup channel?
22:49 <epsy> ct|kyle, can you explain him ? :P
22:52 <epsy> sounds like he can't
22:53 <ct|kyle> PinkTomato: its a channel to pickup players to go play
22:53 <epsy> PinkTomato, people gather in the channel. Whenever one wants to play an organised games, he !add's for the game[s] he wants to play.
22:53 <PinkTomato> Is it on armagetronad?
22:53 <epsy> Once there are enough players the bot chooses captains and then they decide of the teams
22:53 <PinkTomato> or IRC?
22:53 <epsy> yes
22:53 <PinkTomato> So you'll use MOVE_TO?
22:53 <epsy> it will be at #armagetron.pickup
22:53 <PinkTomato> oh, I see
22:54 <epsy> Active staffer applications welcome :)
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22:57 <PinkTomato> I wonder if you could use AJAX to draw a Armagetron game the website is watching
22:58 <epsy> probably, with chrome or google's DRI-for-JS API it should be fast enough
22:58 <dlh> Yes, and someone already did
22:58 <dlh> It was a hacky way to do it though
22:58 <PinkTomato> dlh, wasn't that an png? or is that practically the same thing?
22:59 <dlh> It was SVG images updated at a small interval
23:01 <PinkTomato> I was thinking if you used AJAX, then you wouldn't need to resend the data already there.
23:02 <PinkTomato> but on second thoughts, I doubt resending causes much of a problem
23:03 <dlh> The images where updated using AJAX.
23:03 <dlh> were*
23:04 <PinkTomato> were they? Oh, hehe.
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23:13 <Gud> the Mac OS X download link is broken http://armagetronad.net/downloads.php
23:13 <Gud> seems all links are broken
23:14 <PinkTomato> Gud, I think sourceforge is down
23:14 <Gud> damn
23:14 <Gud> anyone willing to dcc me the dmg-file?
23:14 <Gud> watched tron yesterday, worse then I remembered but it reminded me of this game
23:15 <PinkTomato> Gud,some reason using http://sourceforge.net/projects/armagetronad/files/ works
23:15 <Gud> PinkTomato: thanks
23:15 <PinkTomato> Gud, no problem, should that fail, you can try the beta here: http://beta.armagetronad.net/?product=client&branch=0.2.8&hideold=0&hideold=1&os=Mac+OS+X&arch=x86&bitness=_64&format=#download
23:16 <Gud> PinkTomato: worked fine, ty
23:17 <PinkTomato> So sourceforge updated and broke a whole load of Download links across open-source projects? What a smart idea...
23:17 <PinkTomato> I wondered why ZThreads failed earlier
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