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Log from 2009-06-16:
--- Day changed Tue Jun 16 2009
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00:03 <ct|kyle> .ctwfs
00:03 <tronner> ct|kyle: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “crazy tronners wild fortress” at the moment, sorry.
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00:20 <Vanhayes> why is ctwf down?
00:21 <ct|kyle> Vanhayes: should be up
00:23 <Vanhayes> hmmm, ok there were just a few people saying it was down
00:23 <ct|kyle> ya I restarted it
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06:20 <@Luke-Jr> Any idea where to find a handy ARM reference?
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06:50 <Lucifer> Luke-Jr: look in the HANDbook
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07:03 <@Luke-Jr> …
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10:22 <Lucifer> fuckfuckfuck
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10:28 <Lucifer> I'll say it again
10:28 <Lucifer> Luke-Jr: look in the HANDbook
10:28 <Lucifer> er
10:28 <Lucifer> I'll say it again
10:29 <Lucifer> maybe I won't
10:29 <Lucifer> fuckfuckfuck
10:29 <Lucifer> it's a good thing I find myself so amusing
10:29 <Lucifer> otherwise I'd be bored out of my mind
10:44 <Lucifer> GodTodd: ping
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10:59 <GodTodd> Lucifer, pong
12:01 <Lucifer> GodTodd: dude, go to bed
12:01 <Lucifer> :)
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14:02 <madmax> http://unite.opera.com/ \o/
14:04 <joda_bot> madmax: thx for reporting you're surfing discoveries :-P
14:05 <madmax> nah, that thing was released today
14:05 <joda_bot> and ?
14:05 <joda_bot> alot of things are released on some day :D
14:05 <joda_bot> What makes it important to you ?
14:06 <madmax> was released today... and seems good!
14:06 <madmax> it's a set of server-like services integrated into the opera browser
14:08 <joda_bot> yeah, I like the idea ... but I'd prefer an open source decentralized solution
14:09 <joda_bot> madmax: I have been using http://www.rejetto.com/hfs/ for a while
14:10 <madmax> goes a bit beyond files. right now the default services are chatting, music player, photo sharing, a place to take notes, etc
14:10 <madmax> seems like you'll be able to develop your own... hmm
14:12 <madmax> plus, the setup for this is seconds oO
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14:28 <joda_bot> madmax: sounds like it does everything without having a real focus (e.g. they don't know what people want (yet) ) :-)
14:35 <madmax> but people want it all! ;)
14:36 <joda_bot> madmax: oooookay :-)
14:41 <madmax> anyway, don't see the point for it to have a "focus", since you'll be able to develop new services anyway...
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15:45 <joda_bot> madmax: I don't mind their approach except for binding it to their services (DNS names and account at my opera)
15:47 <joda_bot> if I could use that thing independ of the opera services I might use it. Anyways I'm a sinner and prefer firefox with many extentions over opera :D
15:58 <madmax> yeah, having to register is a bit of an issue
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18:23 <GodTodd> Lucifer, no
18:26  * Luke-Jr mutters
18:45  * joda_bot thinks luke-jr has to speak up and mumble instead of muttering
18:57 <@Luke-Jr> retarded hackers using my demo acct to proxy
18:58 <@Luke-Jr> had to disable TCP forwarding
19:04 <joda_bot> luke-jr: how did you detect that ?
19:04 <@Luke-Jr> joda_bot: complaints
19:05 <joda_bot> eek, not such a nice way to get attention
19:08 <@Luke-Jr> heh
19:08 <@Luke-Jr> I blame OpenSSH for making logging of TCP forwarding impossible
19:08 <@Luke-Jr> and for making restricting it per-user impossible until 4.4
19:08 <@Luke-Jr> and Debian for not providing 4.4
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19:36 <Durka> #hello
19:36 <armabot> Hello Durka :) Quote #45: "better an idiot that can admit it than a luke-jr....er, idiot that can't --GodTodd" (added by Lucifer_arma at 03:35 AM, March 12, 2007)
19:39 <ivantis> #hello
19:39 <armabot> Hello ivantis :) Quote #6: "luci what exactly did you use robots for pleasure -- Armabot" (added by Lucifer_arma at 09:52 AM, March 27, 2006)
19:39 <ivantis> #help hello
19:39 <armabot> ivantis: (hello <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Hello $who $* :) [q]".
19:42 <K-Yo> #hello you ROCK
19:42 <armabot> Hello K-Yo you ROCK :) Quote #14: "On a full moon, Christopher Walken transform in a wereworm. Not as dangerous as a werewolf, but twice as cunning. - philippeqc" (added by n54 at 07:58 PM, April 25, 2006)
19:45 <Durka> would running a phpbb forum on a dedicated server slow down the armagetron advanced server running on it?
19:45 <Durka> the mysql database is on a different server
19:46 <@Luke-Jr> it could
19:48 <Durka> k
19:51 <Durka> #m madmax build fails
19:51 <armabot> Durka: The operation succeeded.
19:52 <madmax> odd, the last time I tried it didn't
19:59 <Durka> :\
19:59 <Durka> is it REALLY the old glancing?
19:59 <Durka> i made a cockpit with the old meters lol
20:00 <madmax> yeah
20:00 <Durka> hmm
20:00 <Durka> i would use 0.3 if it didnt have the retarded glancing
20:00 <Durka> and the retarded
20:00 <Durka> :
20:00 <Durka> *DEAD* Durka: sup?
20:01 <madmax> heh why do you think that's bad?
20:01 <Durka> its so obnoxious
20:01 <Durka> caps ftl
20:01 <Durka> definitely unnecessary imo
20:02 <Durka> like
20:02 <Durka> if u wanna highlight that the person is dead
20:02 <Durka> make the colon red or something
20:02 <Durka> instead of
20:02 <Durka> madmax0xffff7f: blah blah
20:02 <Durka> madmax0xff0000: 0xffff7fblah blah
20:02 <Durka> idk i just dont like it
20:02 <Durka> :p
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20:04 <MrBougo> <Durka> i would use 0.3 if it didnt have the retarded glancing
20:04 <MrBougo> omg!
20:04 <Durka> :p
20:04 <MrBougo> that's totally what I didn't like when the first 0.3 betas came out
20:04 <MrBougo> and noone seemed to agree with me :p
20:08 <Concord> I always thought the glancing stuff was only my client :P
20:08 <madmax> I would be perfectly fine with it if the camera turn speed and the "return from glance" speed were different settings
20:08 <Concord> well yeah
20:09 <madmax> but the last time I looked at the camera code I didn't figure it out (nor looked very long) on how to change it
20:11 <madmax> but Durka, that last argument is just nitpicking :P
20:12 <Durka> xD
20:19 <K-Yo> I agree
20:19 <K-Yo> and chosing a color would suck, imagine there's a team of this color...
20:19 <K-Yo> nvm
20:19 <K-Yo> just read your example
20:20 <K-Yo> ^^
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20:23  * madmax casts voodoo on Vanhayes 
20:24  * Vanhayes is immune to voodoo
20:25 <madmax> :-(
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20:36 <dlh> #m Durka build works for me. What fails?
20:36 <armabot> dlh: The operation succeeded.
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20:50  * Vanhayes pokes durka
20:50 <Durka> ow wtf
20:50  * Durka shoots van
20:51 <Durka> dlh: ping?
20:51  * Vanhayes reads durka's #m
20:51 <Durka> :-O
20:53 <akira_arma> @dlh : is there a working windows available now?
20:53 <akira_arma> build*
20:53 <akira_arma> lol
20:53 <akira_arma> nice freudian error
20:59 <Durka> hmm
20:59 <Durka> im making a mysql database
20:59 <Durka> whats the hostname supposed to be?
20:59 <Durka> :\
21:00 <madmax> where the mysql server is located?
21:02 <Durka> rofl
21:02 <Durka> i already answered my question...localhost
21:05 <dlh> Durka: pong
21:06 <Durka> ill paste u the errors
21:06 <Durka> btw the pastebin is down forever! :O
21:06 <Durka> at least rafb.net/paste is
21:06 <dlh> http://pastebin.com should be okay
21:06 <Durka> yea
21:06 <Durka> do i build as Debug?
21:06 <Durka> Active Target = Armagetron Advanced
21:07 <Durka> Active Build Configuration = Debug?
21:07 <madmax> remember to update the libraries...
21:07 <Concord> is this the time-to-wall-disappears addition?
21:07 <dlh> You can build as Debug or Release
21:07 <Durka> k
21:07 <dlh> Yeah, the libraries have probably been updated since you last did it
21:07 <Durka> o
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21:07 <Durka> where are those?
21:07 <Durka> ur site?
21:07 <dlh> http://sourceforge.net/projects/armagetronad in the osx-libs project
21:07 <dlh> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=110997&package_id=266788
21:08 <Durka> o yea i havent updated them in 4eva
21:08 <Durka> thats why everythings been failing recently :(
21:09 <Durka> umm, whats my database name? :S
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21:12 <Durka> nvr mind
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21:19 <Durka> dlh: does it matter if i do debug or release?
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21:19 <Durka> like, what's the difference
21:23 <dlh> release is more optimized code and will create a smaller .app
21:25 <Durka> lol for debug: Build Succeeded (97 Warnings)
21:26 <Durka> Release doesnt work
21:26 <Durka> error: There is no SDK at specified SDKROOT_ppc path '/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.3.9.sdk'
21:27 <dlh> You need to install the 10.3.9 SDK. When you install Xcode and stuff you need to make sure the option to install that is checked.
21:27 <Concord> theres also a line you can delete to have it not use that sdk
21:28 <Concord> but listen to dlh :P
21:28 <Durka> dlh: gah, its happening again!
21:28 <Durka> i remember the first time i tried this branch
21:28 <Durka> u might remember me telling u...
21:28 <Durka> when i hold down glance
21:28 <Durka> my screen like...shakes
21:28 <Durka> its like a violent shudder
21:29 <dlh> I'll need a recording of that.
21:30 <Durka> k
21:31 <Durka> but u'll need to use the same build as me right?
21:31 <Durka> i just compiled it like 5 min ago
21:32 <dlh> As long as you compiled from the latest bzr the recording should play back on my computer
21:32 <dlh> Make sure you are using a debug config when you make the recording
21:32 <Durka> how do i do that
21:32 <Durka> im using ur Armagetron Advanced Recorder app
21:32 <dlh> When you build the game use Debug
21:32 <dlh> Yeah, you can use that app to start the recording
21:33 <dlh> I gotta run. I'll bb in a day or so.
21:35 <Durka> hmm it still did it
21:35 <Durka> but very little
21:35 <Durka> then stopped o_O
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21:40 <K-Yo> .cfg2 vote
21:40 <tronner> K-Yo: ACCESS_LEVEL_VOTE_COMMAND: Minimal access level required to issue command votes.(Default: 2) || ACCESS_LEVEL_VOTE_COMMAND_EXECUTE: Minimal access level successful command votes will be executed at.(Default: 2) || ACCESS_LEVEL_VOTE_INCLUDE: Minimal access level required to issue inclue votes.(Default: 2) || ACCESS_LEVEL_VOTE_INCLUDE_EXECUTE: Minimal access level successful include votes will be executed (4 more messages)
21:40 <K-Yo> .more
21:40 <tronner> K-Yo: at.(Default: 2) || ACCESS_LEVEL_VOTE_KICK: Minimal access level required to issue kick votes.(Default: 20) || ACCESS_LEVEL_VOTE_SUSPEND: Minimal access level required to issue suspend votes.(Default: 20) || MAX_VOTES: The maximum number of total votes that can be active at any given moment.(Default: 5) || MAX_VOTES_PER_VOTER: The maximum number of votes suggested by each voter that can be active at any (3 more messages)
21:40 <K-Yo> .more
21:40 <tronner> K-Yo: given moment.(Default: 2) || MIN_VOTERS: Number of voters that need to be online to enable voting.(Default: 3) || SPAM_PROTECTION_VOTE: Extra factor for SPAM_PROTECTION for votes.(Default: 50) || VOTES_CANCEL: Cancels all running polls.(Default: ) || VOTES_SUSPEND: Suspends voting for n minutes.(Default: ) || VOTES_SUSPEND_DEFAULT: Default value for VOTES_SUSPEND.(Default: 3) || VOTES_UNSUSPEND: (2 more messages)
21:41 <K-Yo> .more
21:41 <tronner> K-Yo: Allows voting again.(Default: ) || VOTE_KICK_REASON: Default reason given to players when they're vote-kicked.(Default: ) || VOTE_KICK_TO_PORT: Default server port a player is redirected to by vote kicks.(Default: 4534) || VOTE_KICK_TO_SERVER: Server IP/name a player is redirected to by vote kicks.(Default: ) || VOTING_TIMEOUT_PER_VOTER: Additional value for VOTING_TIMEOUT for every voter (1 more message)
21:41 <K-Yo> .more
21:41 <tronner> K-Yo: present.(Default: 15)
21:41 <K-Yo> .cfg2 voting
21:41 <tronner> K-Yo: ALLOW_VOTING: If set to 1, voting will be allowed for players.(Default: 1) || ALLOW_VOTING_SPECTATOR: If set to 1, voting will be allowed for spectators.(Default: 0) || VOTING_BIAS: Add virtual voters that oppose every change.(Default: 0) || VOTING_BIAS_COMMAND: Add virtual voters that oppose every command vote.(Default: 0) || VOTING_BIAS_INCLUDE: Add virtual voters that oppose every include (5 more messages)
21:42 <K-Yo> .more
21:42 <tronner> K-Yo: vote.(Default: 0) || VOTING_BIAS_KICK: Add virtual voters that oppose every kick vote.(Default: 0) || VOTING_BIAS_SUSPEND: Add virtual voters that oppose every suspend vote.(Default: 0) || VOTING_DECAY: One non-voter is ignored everytime this many secons pass.(Default: 60) || VOTING_HARM_TIME: The minimum time in seconds between two harmful votes against the same player.(Default: 180) || (4 more messages)
21:45 <K-Yo> .more
21:45 <tronner> K-Yo: VOTING_KICK_MINHARM: Minimal number of harmful votes (suspension, kick,..) that need to have been issued (success is not required) against a player before a kick vote issued via the menu really results in a kick; otherwise, the result is a simple suspension.(Default: 0) || VOTING_KICK_TIME: The minimum time in seconds between two kick votes against the same player.(Default: 300) || VOTING_MATURITY: The (3 more messages)
21:46 <Durka> .more K-Yo
21:46 <tronner> Durka: minimum time in seconds a player needs to be online with the same name before he can issue votes.(Default: 300) || VOTING_PRIVACY: Controls logging of voting process. 2: nothing gets logged 1: vote submission is logged for the server admin 0: voting is logged for the server admin -1: vote submission is made public -2: everything is made public(Default: 1) || VOTING_SPAM_ISSUE: The spam level of issuing a (2 more messages)
21:46 <K-Yo> G5, could you lower "votin_maturity" on your server please? we can't get rid of noobs if we've not been in there for hours!
21:46 <K-Yo> thnx Durka ;-)
21:46 <Durka> .cfg2
21:46 <tronner> Durka: (cfg2 <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "rss http://crazy-tronners.com/armaconfig.php?config=$1".
21:48 <G5> K-Yo: I will ... no admin/mod there?
21:48 <Vanhayes> .calc 300 / 60
21:48 <tronner> Vanhayes: 5
21:48 <Vanhayes> hours or 5 minutes
21:49 <K-Yo> G5 there was sakura
21:49 <K-Yo> so problem solved
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21:56 <K-Yo> aka dubstep
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22:53 <Flex> z-man what was the standard/common size for a bugfarm zone?
22:54 <Flex> have issues deciding on which size best fits a 1vs1 sumo.. the zone sizes seem a bit different than what we've been playing. maybe because of the team sumo thing that everyone plays all the time now.
23:13 <Vanhayes> anyone know when player_random_color was added?
23:46 <K-Yo> .cfg2 player_random_color
23:46 <tronner> K-Yo: PLAYER_RANDOM_COLOR: If set to 1, each local player will receive a semi-random color every round, trying to get as far away from every other player color.(Default: 0)
23:46 <K-Yo> before now
23:46 <Concord> K-Yo, I'm going to contact PinkTomato about php tourney management
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23:56 <CodeBlock> I keep getting warnings about SendPlanned() during gameplay, any clue why and how to stop them? I'm on windows (xp), binary armagetron install (i ain't THAT brave, to compile it) xD
23:56 <CodeBlock> but any clue what's up?

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