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Log from 2009-03-31:
--- Day changed Tue Mar 31 2009
00:00 <guru3> the buttoms got huge
00:00 <guru3> *buttons
00:00 <guru3> and drop downs
00:01 <luke-jr> ?
00:01 <luke-jr> the buttons are effing images
00:01 <luke-jr> how coudl they get huge
00:01 <guru3> form buttons
00:01 <guru3> the text in form element buttons has gotten large
00:02 <luke-jr> sure you're on r22? :/
00:02 <luke-jr> where do yuo see form element buttons?
00:02 <luke-jr> I don't see those anywhere
00:02 <guru3> when you post?
00:02 <luke-jr> oh, those
00:02 <luke-jr> looks fine to me
00:03 <guru3> 2d77074b94088a1ba299d1fcad79a97e  stylesheet.css
00:03 <guru3> is that correct?
00:03 <luke-jr> yes
00:04 <guru3> http://guru3.net/temp/bigbuttons.png
00:04 <luke-jr> that's big?
00:04 <guru3> bigger than it was
00:05 <guru3> as you can see by the text going over the edge
00:05 <guru3> the size of text in the textarea is fine
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00:05 <guru3> all other form fields have gotten too large
00:05 <luke-jr> well, the overflow is a browser bug ☺
00:08 <guru3> oh well
00:08 <guru3> too late today
00:08 <guru3> i'll fix it tomorrow
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01:00 <Rajinn> oi ct|kyle, can you help me figure out of to make a serverside recording on my vps?  cuz you know how mines set up, i have tried everything and can't get it to work
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01:36 <noob13> .ping
01:36 <tronner> pong
01:36 <noob13> ping
01:37 <noob13> strange looking fonts on the forums..
01:37 <noob13> whats going on?
01:44 <Lackadaisical> luke-jr went on an font-size killing spree
01:47 <noob13> seems to me like the font-family has changed
01:47 <noob13> to something completely different
01:47 <noob13> this might not be the case tho
01:48 <noob13> has there always been an "f=" parameter in the URL?
01:48 <Lackadaisical> maybe to the default font?
01:48 <Lackadaisical> i think thats just the new phpbb3
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01:50 <noob13> looks like the f just defines the section of the forum
01:51 <noob13> and t is for thread or somesuch..
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01:56 <noob13> Ahoj!
01:56 <Durka> wtf is with the forums
01:56 <Durka> http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19173&p=205469#p205469
01:57 <noob13> u mean the strange fonts? we just talked about that...
01:57 <noob13> 01:44 < Lackadaisical> luke-jr went on an font-size killing spree
01:58 <Durka> LOL
01:58 <Durka> ffs
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03:45 <BabyBug> Goooooooood evening...
03:45 <sinewav> lol
03:45 <BabyBug> Since when was this channel so empty :|
03:46 <BabyBug> Vanhayes_, who the feck is Hex?
03:56 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: :P
03:57 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: the hex on forums
03:58 <BabyBug> I don't read the forums
03:59 <ct|kyle> I know but i wanted to take my frustration out on you, but since you were not around Vanhayes_ decided to take up the opertunity
04:02 <BabyBug> Oh i see....Looks like you're still angry at the fact you fat, fugly and a virgin
04:02 <BabyBug> you're*
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06:30 <ljrbot> New news from armagetronadbzr: [themes] r22 lets stop effing with font-size || [themes] r21 image sizes in image set... || [themes] r20 index.php patch... || [themes] r19 Luke Dashjr 2009-03-30 more font-size adjustments... || [themes] r18 font color change... || [themes] more font-size adjustments || [themes] r17 altered search results to add forum column... || [themes] r16 dont screw with font size! >:O
06:31 <BabyBug> Hello luke-jr!
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09:08 <Lucifer> yay, finally got something reliable going :)
09:12 <BabyBug> Lucifer?
09:12 <Lucifer> BabyBug?
09:13 <BabyBug> What's the reliable thing
09:13 <BabyBug> ?
09:13 <Lucifer> that was my internet connection I was talking about
09:13 <BabyBug> ooo
09:13 <Lucifer> for some reason, I couldn't get my wifi card to talk to my brother-in-law's router, so I stuck my router in there, plugged into his
09:13 <BabyBug> Your net has always seemed reliable :s
09:13 <Lucifer> under his request, more or less, I turned on encryption
09:14 <BabyBug> wait..you've moved now?
09:14 <Lucifer> well, it was unreliable this weekend because I was borrowing one of his neighbor's connection
09:14 <Lucifer> yes, I moved this weekend
09:14 <BabyBug> Oh right =)
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10:15 <Lucifer_arma> .ping
10:15 <tronner> pong
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> well, I failed again to setup my pc as an internet gateway
10:15 <Lucifer_arma> I think I need to break out my laptop to work on it
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13:32 <animuson> is it possible to disable single player mode and treat every round like a normal round?
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15:34 <ljrbot> New news from armagetronadbzr: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1116 Updated other ePlayerNetID constructor initializer list....
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16:27 <Pathetique> Would anyone here happen to know of any reasons why the ladder for my hex sumo server is not being used or written to?
16:27 <guru3> wwhat version is your hex sumo server?
16:28 <Pathetique> 1 second.
16:28 <Pathetique> 0.2.8-sty+ct_alpha20090301 unix
16:28 <guru3> no idea then
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16:28 <guru3> permissions on the ladder files ok?
16:29 <Pathetique> The weird thing is that some of the other servers that I'm running that use that version create ladders just fine.
16:29 <Pathetique> I'll check.
16:31 <Pathetique> rw-r--r-- is a good permission set right?
16:31 <guru3> yeah
16:31 <guru3> same user as the server is running as?
16:31 <Pathetique> AFAIK.  Its on CompGuyGene's VPS that he is renting from luke-jr.
16:32 <guru3> well
16:32 <guru3> try deleting/moving the file
16:32 <guru3> and see if it creates a new one
16:32 <Pathetique> My high rubber and fortress servers have a healthy ladder...
16:32 <dlh> What are the full permissions (with user and group)?
16:32 <dlh> user->owner
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16:33 <Pathetique> owner: pathetique
16:33 <Pathetique> same for group
16:33 <Pathetique> User: read/write; group: read; world: read
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16:35 <Pathetique> It isn't writing to ladder.txt or won_rounds.txt, but won_matches.txt and highscores.txt are fine.
16:35 <Pathetique> And they all have the same permission set.
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16:39 <epsy> uuh, why is the font so big?
16:39 <Pathetique> ?
16:39 <epsy> on the forums
16:39 <Pathetique> iunno
16:39 <Pathetique> idrc lol
16:40 <dlh> Pathetique: If the file wasn't writable Armagetron would exit with an error
16:40 <guru3> epsy: luke was complaining it was too small so i pointed him to bzr
16:40 <Pathetique> dlh: Then what would make it so it wouldn't write to the ladder and won_rounds?
16:41 <epsy> It's huge ..
16:41 <dlh> no idea. Are you testing in single player mode?
16:41 <epsy> guru3, http://epsy.teamkilled.net:8080/~epsy/screenshots/guru31.png
16:42 <guru3> epsy: lp:~/armagetronad-web/armagetronad/themes/phpBB3/lackarma/style/stylesheet.css
16:42 <Pathetique> No, I know it doesn't work in single player
16:42 <Pathetique> speaking of which
16:43 <Pathetique> highscores.txt, is that used in both single player and multiplayer modes?
16:44 <luke-jr> epsy: do you know WHY it's huge?
16:44 <luke-jr> I sure don't
16:45 <luke-jr> I nuked ALL font-size mentions I saw :/
16:45 <luke-jr> so in theory, it shouldn't be huge! ☹
16:45 <epsy> guru3, gah, remove that "check if this user is a moderator" check when trying to add someone to your ignore list
16:45 <epsy> using em's are better
16:45 <Pathetique> luke-jr: noob.
16:45 <epsy> in theoru
16:45 <epsy> theory *
16:45 <luke-jr> epsy: probably should revert my last commit
16:45 <Pathetique> luke-jr: NOOB.
16:45 <epsy> only reliable way is pixels, I'm sorry
16:45 <luke-jr> it was aimed to try to make the font not-huge
16:45 <dlh> Pathetique: what server version do you run?
16:45 <epsy> Pathetique, stfu
16:45 <Pathetique> LOL
16:46 <luke-jr> epsy: no, pixels are just bad code
16:46 <Pathetique> dlh: 0.2.8-sty+ct_alpha20090301 unix
16:46 <dlh> there's your problem
16:46 <Pathetique> pixels ftw
16:46 <luke-jr> pixels should never be used
16:46 <epsy> luke-jr, that's the way it works best however
16:46 <dlh> are you using authentication?
16:46 <Pathetique> Mhm.
16:46 <Pathetique> -.-
16:46 <luke-jr> epsy: no
16:46 <Pathetique> That's why, ain't it?
16:47 <dlh> The sty+ct branch hasn't been merged with 0.2.8 in awhile
16:47 <luke-jr> if you use pixels, then everything changes size based on resolution, etc
16:47 <epsy> except for the screen resolution case people mentionned
16:47 <dlh> 0.2.8 has some fixes for duplicated names in score files
16:47 <luke-jr> also meaning if you print, the page is 33% the on-screen size in general
16:47 <epsy> but do you usually change your screen resolution all day?
16:47 <Pathetique> I see.
16:47 <luke-jr> epsy: I don't mean changing your own res
16:47 <Pathetique> maybe someone ct|kyle should merge it then?
16:47 <luke-jr> I mean varying res between computers
16:47 <luke-jr> and monitor size too
16:47 <Pathetique> ;)
16:47 <epsy> don't expect it to look same everywhere
16:47 <epsy> they will be used to that font size
16:48 <luke-jr> epsy: that's why you shouldn't set a size
16:48 <dlh> font-size: HUGE;
16:48 <luke-jr> pages should use the user's default font size
16:48 <Pathetique> What should you use instead? pt?
16:48 <luke-jr> Pathetique: no, you shouldn't be setting a font size
16:48 <ct|kyle> dlh: it has been merged but I merged it right before the second fix to scoring
16:48 <luke-jr> non-font-size elements should be using em ☺
16:48 <Pathetique> luke-jr: If someone had a gun to your head and said "pick a unit of font size" what would you pick?
16:48 <epsy> luke-jr, yeah, titles, corpus and headers all at default font size woo! :)
16:48 <luke-jr> maybe in some cases cm/in
16:49 <luke-jr> Pathetique: 10pt?
16:49 <Pathetique> So you'd use pt?
16:49 <luke-jr> epsy: it's called a percentage
16:49 <luke-jr> epsy: headers can be 110% or so
16:49 <luke-jr> Pathetique: pt is the standard for font sizes
16:49 <dlh> ct|kyle: well it needs to merged regularly, since so many servers run it :)
16:49 <Pathetique> I see.  So then maybe someone should put the old stylesheet back up.
16:49 <Pathetique> lOL
16:50 <luke-jr> Pathetique: but you have no business telling me what font size I should use, and vice versa
16:50 <luke-jr> that's a browser setting
16:50 <luke-jr> and for good reason
16:50 <Pathetique> I wasn't telling you which one you should use.
16:50 <ct|kyle> dlh: I know, I started on merging it yesterday, I need to figure out what mores from ePlayer to eChat though
16:50 <epsy> now, regarding the point default font size is too big
16:50 <ct|kyle> I agree epsy
16:50 <luke-jr> epsy: no, the problem is that SOMETHING is scaling the font
16:50 <epsy> most users around here won't fiddle with that, and probably won't even know about it
16:51 <epsy> so, what are they going to blame if the font looks huge?
16:51 <luke-jr> the font size at http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/text.html is what you have configured
16:51 <luke-jr> and what the forum should be using for post bodies
16:51 <Pathetique> toobig.
16:51 <luke-jr> Pathetique: then set your font smaller, idiot
16:51 <Pathetique> My font is fine.
16:52 <Pathetique> But for forum posts, that's large.
16:52 <luke-jr> obviously not
16:52 <Pathetique> Its a matter of style, not functionality. :P
16:52 <luke-jr> if you're using Firefox, go to Preferences
16:52 <luke-jr> Content
16:52 <Pathetique> I know how to do that, tyvm.
16:52 <luke-jr> Default font: Size:
16:52 <epsy> the user who just had armagetron not work for him will sure think about doing that
16:53 <epsy> what is he going to think?
16:53 <epsy> oh, shit game, shit website as well
16:53 <luke-jr> epsy: who cares?
16:53 <luke-jr> we don't need idiot players, do we?
16:53 <Pathetique> He has a point there.
16:53 <Pathetique> LOL
16:53 <epsy> idiot doesn't mean "someone who doesn't set his default font size"
16:54 <epsy> unless you call me idiot
16:54 <luke-jr> idiot does mean someone who blames a webpage for a setting he didn't configure
16:54 <luke-jr> "OMG, it's using 16pt when that's what I have set. How ugly!"
16:54 <luke-jr> "if I have 16pt configured, it should use 12pt!"
16:55 <epsy> get me 15 regulars who know about browser default font sizes
16:55 <luke-jr> anyhow, all of this is kinda moot until someone finds out why the heck everything is so ig
16:55 <luke-jr> big
16:55 <Pathetique> The whole purpose for CSS is so you can define what sizes will end up being used to make your page look nice, seeing as most people don't bother going through each and every setting possible in a program they're running.
16:56 <luke-jr> epsy: I won't oppose dropping Windows support.
16:56 <luke-jr> Pathetique: wrong
16:57 <luke-jr> the point of CSS is separating visual hints from content
16:57 <Pathetique> One of the purposes*
16:57 <Pathetique> -.-
16:58 <luke-jr> no, it is not a purpose of CSS to override user preferences
16:58 <luke-jr> in fact, it is completely contrary to one of the real purposes of CSS
16:58 <luke-jr> which is to let the user affect the visuals more
16:58 <epsy> user can always provide a custom CSS right for himself
16:58 <luke-jr> or, if the user prefers, audial
16:58 <luke-jr> epsy: that's what the font size setting is
16:59 <Pathetique> From w3.org/Style/CSS/
16:59 <Pathetique> Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) is a simple mechanism for adding style (e.g. fonts, colors, spacing) to Web documents.
16:59 <Pathetique> So, luke-jr, you can now </pontificate> ;)
16:59 <ct|kyle> dlh: I'll try to finish that merge today if not tomorrow
17:00 <luke-jr> Pathetique: that doesn't support your assertion at all
17:00 <Pathetique> Yes it does.
17:00 <luke-jr> nope
17:00 <Pathetique> It just says it in a lot more concise manner.
17:00 <luke-jr> "fonts" refers to font families in general
17:01 <dlh> ct|kyle: I'm looking at the merge now. I'm almost done with the conflicts
17:01 <Pathetique> luke-jr: You just can't tolerate being wrong.
17:02 <Pathetique> :P
17:02 <luke-jr> Pathetique: not my fault you're totally wrong
17:02 <epsy> no you're wrong
17:02 <epsy> no you're wrong
17:02 <epsy> no you're wrong
17:02 <epsy> no you're wrong
17:02 <epsy> no you're wrong
17:02 <Pathetique> LOL
17:02 <epsy> godwin.
17:03 <luke-jr> http://www.w3.org/StyleSheets/home.css
17:03 <luke-jr> you don't see W3c abusing font-size
17:03 <Pathetique> That still doesn't make you right.
17:04 <epsy> that's still a decent font size
17:04 <luke-jr> Pathetique: I'm reassigning you to the fail department. Have fun.
17:04 <luke-jr> epsy: it doesn't *set* a font size
17:04 <Pathetique> you're still wrong.
17:04 <luke-jr> it uses the user preferences
17:04 <epsy> so why is ours too big?
17:04 <luke-jr> I don't know! -.-
17:04 <luke-jr> that's what I'm saying
17:04 <epsy> that's what she says
17:04 <Pathetique> You fuxx0red it, so you gotta fix it.
17:05 <epsy> as if it wasn't hard enough there had to be so much tables
17:05 <luke-jr> it was already fuxx0red -- ever worse -- before
17:05 <dlh> ct|kyle: nevermind... gWinZone is a mess
17:05 <luke-jr> dlh: gWinZone is mostly gone…
17:06 <dlh> in 0.2.8?
17:06 <luke-jr> what is ct|kyle doing with 0.2.8? -.-
17:06 <dlh> sty+ct is out of date.
17:07 <dlh> It is a problem, because there were some fixes committed to 0.2.8, but sty+ct hasn't merged them yet
17:07 <epsy> guru3, http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=232
17:07 <epsy> guru3, typo in there :P
17:08 <luke-jr> epsy: does FF support user.css?
17:08 <epsy> typos, even
17:08 <epsy> yes
17:08 <luke-jr> dlh: I already fixed that
17:08 <luke-jr> dlh: lp:~luke-jr/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct or such
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17:08 <dlh> They haven't merged yet, you should tell them
17:08 <luke-jr> dlh: I did
17:08 <epsy> there are also extensions for managing it anytime
17:08 <luke-jr> epsy: how?
17:08 <epsy> but there's an user css which you can use natively
17:09 <luke-jr> …
17:09 <epsy> http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html
17:09 <luke-jr> wtf, you need to edit a file manually?
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17:09 <epsy> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2108
17:10 <dlh> ct|kyle: bzr merge lp:~luke-jr/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct
17:10 <dlh> no conflicts
17:10 <Pathetique> lol
17:10 <guru3> an inline style definition should overwrite anything else right?
17:10 <epsy> yes
17:10 <epsy> except what's !important
17:10 <Pathetique> Or something with !important
17:10 <epsy> but never do that outside of an user css
17:10 <guru3> i can't figure out what's making this border then :/
17:10 <Pathetique> Epsy you have such fast fingers. :P
17:11 <epsy> what border?
17:11 <luke-jr> userContent.css isn't working
17:11 <Pathetique> luke-jr: your tmp directory is boring.
17:11 <luke-jr> Pathetique: f u'
17:11 <epsy> you need to restart the browser
17:11 <guru3> notice how between posts
17:11 <Pathetique> LOL
17:12 <luke-jr> epsy: that's BS
17:12 <guru3> there's a double thick line?
17:12 <Pathetique> guru: border-collapse:collapse
17:12 <guru3> i'm trying to hunt htat down because it annoys me
17:12 <epsy> luke-jr, use the addon otherwise
17:12 <epsy> well, look in the tables
17:12 <Pathetique> That should fix it if its a border.
17:12 <epsy> some empty cells
17:12 <luke-jr> epsy: "This add-on is for older versions of Firefox "
17:12 <epsy> uhh
17:12 <Pathetique> I hate double borders.
17:12 <epsy> doesn't say that here
17:13 <epsy> what version are you using?
17:13 <luke-jr> 3.1 beta 3
17:13 <epsy> ah :P
17:13  * Pathetique bites his tongue. :P
17:14 <luke-jr> screw it
17:14 <luke-jr> someone else figure out why the font sizes are effd
17:14 <epsy> well, you can either bump it yourself or not use a beta
17:14 <Pathetique> someone revert the commit.
17:14 <Pathetique> lol
17:14 <luke-jr> or not fix stuff
17:14 <Pathetique> Take the asy way out.
17:14 <luke-jr> Pathetique: it's still too big
17:14 <Pathetique> easy*
17:14 <Pathetique> ic.
17:14 <luke-jr> and if you go back to before I touched anything, then it's way too small
17:14 <Pathetique> idk
17:14 <luke-jr> too big is better than too small
17:14 <Pathetique> notrly.
17:15 <luke-jr> yarly
17:15 <luke-jr> I can read too big
17:15 <epsy> tables tables tables tables
17:15 <epsy> GAHHH
17:15 <Pathetique> I'd rather have to use some effort to read than have to scroll five thousand lines.
17:15 <epsy> I HATE phpbb
17:15 <Pathetique> What other way can you do a forum than tables, epsy?
17:15 <epsy> holy shit wtf
17:15  * luke-jr smacks Pathetique ☺
17:15 <luke-jr> just for fun, you know
17:16 <epsy> MAYBE topic list
17:16 <Pathetique> I know CSS allows you to organize content without the messiness of tables.
17:16 <luke-jr> epsy: if I had a simple way to test things, I'd try *{font-size:100% !important}
17:16 <epsy> but that's it
17:16 <Pathetique> But that doesn't work easily in large amounts, now, does it?
17:16 <epsy> also, why forums3 ?
17:16 <luke-jr> epsy: phpBB3 is on another server
17:16 <epsy> ah ok
17:18 <epsy> http://epsy.teamkilled.net:8080/~epsy/screenshots/guru32.png
17:18 <epsy> that's pretty much the same
17:18 <luke-jr> O.o
17:18 <epsy> comparent to http://epsy.teamkilled.net:8080/~epsy/screenshots/guru31.png
17:19 <luke-jr> epsy: we don't have a reference to compare with of the forums
17:19 <epsy> indeed
17:19 <luke-jr> compare it to http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/text.html
17:19 <epsy> er
17:19 <epsy> ah
17:19 <epsy> there's the irc window
17:19 <luke-jr> …
17:19 <epsy> but I guess you want sth in the browser
17:19 <luke-jr> Firefox doesn't use OS font settings
17:20 <epsy> http://epsy.teamkilled.net:8080/~epsy/screenshots/guru33.png
17:20 <epsy> that's with the style off
17:21 <epsy> and it's same with the other
17:21 <epsy> er
17:21 <epsy> with it on
17:29 <ct|kyle> dlh: but luke-jr fucked up
17:30 <Pathetique> *gasp!*
17:30 <ct|kyle> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~luke-jr/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct/revision/665
17:30 <ct|kyle> duplicate includes and it did not look like he moved the eplayer chat hacks to echat either
17:31 <luke-jr> epsy: of course
17:31 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: duplicate stuff is easy to cleanup
17:31 <ct|kyle> yes but like I said, a few eplayer  > eChat did not get moved over also
17:32 <luke-jr> example
17:33 <ct|kyle> the stuff to write /me and /msg to ladderlog
17:33 <luke-jr> uh?
17:33 <luke-jr> /me and /msg shouldn't be in ladderlog
17:34 <Pathetique> LOL
17:34 <ct|kyle> chatlog
17:34 <Pathetique> ct|kyle: bigbrother ftl.
17:34 <ct|kyle> which I'm used to in ladderlog because of configuration
17:34 <ct|kyle> actually it is logged in console log so why not in chatlog?
17:35 <ljrbot> New news from armagetronadbzr: [themes] r23 camel power back... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty] r898 Merge from 0.2.8...
17:36 <epsy>  /me should be, msg not
17:36 <Pathetique> Indeed.
17:36 <epsy> chatlog should be kept to what could be made public anytime
17:37 <epsy> ie. what people made public
17:37 <Pathetique> Although, I do <3 ACCESS_LEVEL_MSG_SPY :D
17:37 <epsy> that means chat that appeared to everyone
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17:37 <ct|kyle> I have it configurable
17:37 <epsy> that's different
17:37 <BabyBug> Boo!
17:37 <ct|kyle> and defults to off
17:37 <epsy> oh my god not BabyBug!
17:37 <Pathetique> lol
17:38 <epsy> maybe also team messages in teams with more than 2 players
17:38 <epsy> only once player count is fixed, tho
17:39 <Pathetique> Maybe someone could make a playerlist.txt that didn't have all the details that the current players.txt has.
17:39 <Pathetique> That would make having a player list on a website a lot easier. ><
17:39 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: anyhow, I just merged stuff
17:39 <luke-jr> I don't see how anything would be missed
17:39 <luke-jr> dupe blocks, sure
17:39 <luke-jr> that's understandable
17:40 <epsy> best would be to query the server directly :)
17:40 <Pathetique> From PHP, epsy?
17:40 <epsy> if you call system()
17:41 <Pathetique> Sorry, I'm not that 1337.  I'm more along the lines of 1002.75
17:41 <Pathetique> lol
17:42 <epsy> um, ok?
17:42 <Pathetique> (1337/4)*3 ftw.
17:42 <Pathetique> tough crowd. sheesh.
17:44 <ct|kyle> anyway I thought eChat had more than it did, I guess I'll merge with you luke-jr
17:45 <ct|kyle> and remove the duplicates
17:49 <epsy> hi BabyBug btw
17:49 <BabyBug> Hi =)
17:49 <dlh> The duplicate includes aren't much of a problem, as they use a header include guard so they won't be included more than once. But those headers shouldn't be included in engine anyway.
17:51 <dlh> eChat just has spam checking stuff in it right now. I didn't move anything else over to it.
17:56 <dlh> ct|kyle: you might want to update your major_version and minor_version files. major_version should be 0.2.8-sty+ct
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18:05 <Pathetique> \o joda
18:13 <Pathetique> .ping
18:13 <tronner> pong
18:13 <Pathetique> o.o
18:13 <ct|kyle> yes dlh I see that now
18:13 <Pathetique> why's it so quiet?
18:15 <ct|kyle> you started talking
18:15 <Pathetique> That's not nice.
18:15 <Pathetique> :(
18:16 <ct|kyle> I know but its the truth :P
18:17 <Vanhayes_> the truth can sometimes hurt
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18:18 <Pathetique> :|
18:21 <Pathetique> ct|kyle: So you've merged with the better branch?
18:21 <ct|kyle> just getting ready to push it
18:22 <Pathetique> sweet.  plz lemme know when you do so I can tell Gene to recompile. :)
18:22 <ct|kyle> let me check to see if it compiles
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18:25 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: you really fucked up with merging
18:26 <Pathetique> :o
18:26 <Pathetique> nodice?
18:27 <ct|kyle> http://rafb.net/p/G1ldmT21.html
18:27 <dlh> delete the eChatSpamTester stuff from ePlayer.cpp
18:27 <ct|kyle> its because ePlayer.cpp kept the stuff that as moved to eChat.cpp
18:28 <dlh> I think he duplicated se_silenceDeadConf too
18:28 <dlh> other than that it compiled for me
18:28 <ct|kyle> I took care of that
18:30 <Pathetique> dlh: I just started up the hex sumo server after deleting ladder.txt
18:30 <Pathetique> It recreated the file
18:31 <Pathetique> Now I need to get people in here
18:32 <ct|kyle> dlh: it seams like chatSpam does not work, or does it not care when 1 player is there?
18:32 <dlh> What do you mean? Spam protection at all?
18:32 <ct|kyle> wait a second
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18:32 <ct|kyle> I forgot to make install LOL
18:33 <Pathetique> nice going.
18:33 <ct|kyle> I was not planning on testing when I compiled
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18:35 <ct|kyle> Pathetique: pushing so give it a minute or 2
18:36 <Pathetique> ty
18:36 <Pathetique> :)
18:36 <BabyBug> down with Pathetique!
18:36 <Pathetique> Ladder gets written/modified at the end of each round?
18:36 <BabyBug> :*
18:37 <madmax> why is armabot MIA?
18:38 <ct|kyle> been for a few weeks
18:38 <BabyBug> wrtlprnft won't tell anyone
18:38 <ct|kyle> ok Pathetique should be able to update
18:38 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: well, my ORIGINAL merge was ok
18:39 <luke-jr> it's just the lame weave merging
18:39 <luke-jr> guess I should redo it
18:39 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: want me to redo the update merge?
18:39 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: I already fixed them in mine
18:39 <ct|kyle> New news from sty+ct: 664: merging with luke-jr's
18:40 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: are you SURE you got them all?
18:41 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: yes I removed your last comment and then removed the eChatSpamTester stuff
18:41 <luke-jr> I didn't add anything… no comment
18:41 <Pathetique> dlh: no dice.  Still no won_rounds or ladder
18:42 <dlh> ct|kyle: be sure to update your major_version and minor_version
18:43 <ct|kyle> dlh: err did not see major_version
18:45 -!- MilesProwerServe [n=seanmccl@c-71-231-34-12.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #armagetron
18:45 <MilesProwerServe> Hi all, I'm having a problem with the sty dedicated server, can anyone help?
18:46 <ct|kyle> there rewrote that
18:46 <Pathetique> First thing Miles
18:46 <Pathetique> make your name shorter plzk
18:46 <luke-jr> MilesProwerServe: I offer managed sty hosting; http://lightfoot.dashjr.org
18:46 <Pathetique> :S
18:46 <MilesProwerServe> lol
18:46 <luke-jr> Pathetique: his nick is supposed to be a milk
18:46 <luke-jr> mile*
18:46 -!- MilesProwerServe is now known as MilesPrower
18:46 <Pathetique> ty
18:46 <ct|kyle> now what is the problem
18:46 <Pathetique> Now, whats the issue that you're having?
18:47 <MilesPrower> Well, when I try to login using /login <pass> it doesn't work.
18:47 <Pathetique> Did you set ADMIN_PASS?
18:47 <MilesPrower> yes
18:47 <Pathetique> Or are you using Global ID?
18:47 <MilesPrower> ?
18:47 <Pathetique> Go to the console
18:47 <Pathetique> and type GLOBAL_ID
18:47 <Pathetique> what does it say?
18:47 <MilesPrower> it's set to 0
18:48 <Pathetique> ok
18:48 <MilesPrower> I just compiled the sty server this morning.
18:48 <Pathetique> Well, if you're willing to be brave and use GLOBAL_ID, then set it to 1 and define yourself a local account
18:48 <Pathetique> LOCAL_USER Miles *insertpasswordhere*
18:48 <Pathetique> Or some such.
18:48 <Pathetique> and then USER_LEVEL Miles@ 0
18:49 <dlh> you wouldn't need GLOBAL_ID 1 for a local account.
18:49 <MilesPrower> and then use the Auth menu to login in the game?
18:49 <Pathetique> oic
18:49 <Pathetique> Well, then he'd be cool like the rest of us auth-enabled server admins
18:49 <MilesPrower> 1sec, trying...
18:50 <Pathetique> btw, luke-jr, where do you get milk from miles?
18:50 <Pathetique> mile*
18:50 <Pathetique> lol
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18:52 <luke-jr> typo of 'e'
18:52 <MilesPrower> Didn't work, I get login_failed_message in the console
18:53 <dlh> there is probably more to the error message
18:53 <luke-jr> MilesPrower: I also have VPS services: http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=vps ☺
18:53 <dlh> and the error message probably tells you exactly what you need to do
18:54 <MilesPrower> After I try login, console spits out this: [1] login_message_requestedlogin_message_respondedlogin_failed_messagereceived logout from 1.
18:55 <Pathetique> lol
18:55 <dlh> installation error? those are language keys, they should be replaced with actually english text.
18:55 <Pathetique> Maybe you didn't pass the correct flag for ./configure
18:55 <dlh> actual english text*
18:55 <MilesPrower> I'm on a mac, I just opened XCode project file and hit build.
18:55 <Pathetique> LOL I did the same thing.
18:56 <dlh> ah, so you're running from the builddir?
18:56 <Pathetique> It built it with everything when I did it.
18:56 <dlh> or from in Xcode
18:57 <MilesPrower> I copied the built binary to my normal dedicated folder and overwrote the old exec.
18:57 <Pathetique> that was noob
18:57 <Pathetique> lol
18:57 <MilesPrower> Yes, I thought so >.>
18:57 <Pathetique> You should have made a whole new directory
18:57 <dlh> choose the "Create Dedicated Release" target in xcode and build that
18:58 <MilesPrower> kk, Illdo that then
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18:59 <Pathetique> Ew.
18:59 <Pathetique> Chodehunter.
19:00 <MilesPrower> Well, that cleared up alot xD
19:00 <Pathetique> yarly
19:00 <MilesPrower> Ty guys =)
19:00 <Pathetique> yw
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19:19 <Vanhayes> .tea
19:19 <tronner> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
19:20 -!- Rajinn [n=rajinn@161-130.207-68.elmore.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
19:20 <ct|kyle> o0 Rajinn is looking for me
19:20  * ct|kyle hides
19:21 <Rajinn> LOL!
19:21 <Rajinn> actually, I was, but then this show im watchin got me stunned
19:23 <Rajinn> im hoping that someone can help me run a server like bugfarm elimination sumo today with the scripts zman has https://code.launchpad.net/~z-man/armagetronad/bugfarm-scripts
19:25 <Rajinn> wheres manuel?
19:25 <Pathetique> I think the silence is everyone collectively saying "readthefuckingmanual." :)
19:25 <Rajinn> who are you?
19:25  * Pathetique <---
19:26 <Rajinn> my point exactly
19:26 <Pathetique> I am Evan Nelson, a rational observer.
19:26 <Pathetique> Besides, someone had to give you an answerto your question.
19:26 <Rajinn> f                                                  a                                                  g
19:27 <Pathetique> You're just jealous I'm happy in a way you'll never be. :)
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19:27 <Rajinn> sorry, i don't want to be pleasured by a man
19:27 <Pathetique> Not like that, genius.
19:27 <Rajinn> anyway, pathetique is here, and he's weird, toodles
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19:27 <Pathetique> LOL
19:27 <ct|kyle> Pathetique: dident we already determine that we all hate you :P (silence earlyer)
19:28 <Pathetique> No, I don't think that's the case.
19:28 <ct|kyle> oh darn :P
19:28 <Pathetique> dlh: LIMIT_SCORE 800 ftw
19:28 <Pathetique> ;)
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19:36 <ljrbot> New news from armagetronadbzr: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct] r664 merging with luke-jr's
19:36 <Pathetique> Hello again, Rajinn.
19:37 <Program> hi, asshole
19:37 <Program> will you please stop chatting with me?
19:37 <epsy> Pathetique, /ignore him where you can
19:38 <Pathetique> indeed.  Although, I was only being civil and saying "Hi"
19:38 <epsy> yup
19:38 <epsy> that's another reason to do it
19:38  * Program sighs
19:38 <epsy> what do you expect?
19:39 <epsy> insult me and I'll be supernice with you?
19:39 <Program> epsy, what are you on about?
19:39 <Pathetique> Who, me?  Iunno.  Sometimes its good for busting balls even further. ;)
19:39 <epsy> if you can't even remember it, gtfo
19:39  * epsy ignores
19:40 <Program> :X you guys really need a life
19:40 <epsy> Pathetique, no, not you
19:40 <Pathetique> oic
19:40 <Pathetique> LOL
19:40 <Program> i was asking for help, and this kid pathetique comes telling me to read a manual.  when in fact, there is not one.
19:40 <Pathetique> LMAO
19:40 <Program> how is that funny?
19:41 <Pathetique> "rtfm" is a figure of speech.  It means "figure it out"
19:41  * Pathetique ignores
19:41 <epsy> it means stop taking us for your bitch
19:41 <Program> well, if you don't like me asking questions, you don't have to answer me.
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19:42 <Program> and pathetiques answer was not necessary
19:42 <Pathetique> \o sine
19:42 <sinewav> hi
19:42 <epsy> hi
19:42 <ct|kyle> oi sinewav
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19:43 <sinewav> ugh I want to play, but there are only high rubber servers
19:43 <sinewav> wtf
19:43 <BabyBug> Why's everyone so mean to program?
19:43 <Pathetique> BabyBug: Its Rajinn/Codehunter.
19:44 <Program> and?
19:44 <epsy> sinewav, fail
19:44 <epsy> :-(
19:44 <Pathetique> Someone who does nothing but suck information out of whoever has what he needs and moves on to the next victim.
19:44 <ct|kyle> sinewav: ....
19:44 <ct|kyle> .si (Flag fort
19:44 <tronner> ct|kyle: Crazy Tronners Sty Testing (Flag fort): Players (0/10):
19:44 <Program> path, i dont even know you...
19:44 <sinewav> I'm losing hope in arma. too much hr
19:44 <epsy> and insults them when they give him advice
19:44 <BabyBug> Pathetique, that sounds like me... =(
19:44 <ct|kyle> I need a good testing of that
19:44 <Program> dont act like you know me path, for one, i don't even associate myself with people like you
19:45 <epsy> BabyBug, um, not at all
19:45 <Pathetique> sinewav: its cause high rubber is the easiest thing for people to play.
19:45 <BabyBug> epsy, i do nothing but suck information from lots of different people =P
19:45 <epsy> you little spier
19:45 <Pathetique> But you thank people afterwards.
19:45 <epsy> spider *
19:45 <BabyBug> Pathetique, i'm glad you imagine that xD
19:45 <sinewav> kyle: can't get into that server. version.
19:45 <BabyBug> lol
19:45 <Pathetique> lol
19:46 <luke-jr> Pathetique: no, CTF is easier
19:46 <Pathetique> Perhaps its how you go about it.  its not abrasive and doesn't annoy people. Yaddamean?
19:46 <Pathetique> luke-jr: trudat.
19:46 <luke-jr> respawning makes the game much better IMO
19:46 <BabyBug> .tea
19:46 <tronner> BabyBug: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): free kill (dlh@generalconsumption.org), Incorporeal, Monolyth
19:46 <BabyBug> sinewav!
19:46 <sinewav> yay!
19:46 <epsy> except respawning seems leaky
19:46 <sinewav> bye
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19:47 <Pathetique> a lilbit
19:47 <Program> Pathetique, I am wondering, what have I ever done to make you not like me?  I don't think I've ever talked to you but 5 times ever since you've played this game
19:47 <Program> I guess you are one that feeds off of rumours :)
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19:51 <Pathetique> \o dorka
19:51 <Durka> http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=19091&p=205489#p205489
19:51 <Durka> \o
19:51 <Durka> pathetic
19:51 <ct|kyle> o0 Durka
19:51 <Durka> 0o
19:52 <Pathetique> That makes sense, Durka.
19:52 <Durka> jaja
19:52 <Pathetique> Maybe make the conquer rate not as fast?
19:53 <ct|kyle> btw Durka you can upgrade your server to fix the ladder bugs
19:53 <Durka> yes i CAN
19:53 <Durka> but do i want to
19:53 <Durka> =/
19:53 <Pathetique> LOL
19:53 <Durka> i thought u said sty+ct branch was fuxed
19:53 <ct|kyle> 1/2 fixed too today
19:53 <ct|kyle> till today*
19:54 <Durka> so its not fuct anymore?
19:54 <ct|kyle> correct
19:54 <Pathetique> LOL@fuct
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19:55 <Durka> :D
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19:55 <Durka> ok
19:55 <Durka> ill do it
19:55 <Durka> ...would the easiest way
19:55 <Durka> to do it
19:55 <Durka> be
19:55 <Durka> renaming my /opt/armagetronad/ folder
19:55 <Durka> and then downloading and installing to that place
19:56 <Durka> then deleting the other shyt
19:56 <Pathetique> As long as none of the old files are in the directory
19:56 <Pathetique> Then go for it.
19:56 <dlh> bzr pull && make install ?
19:56 <ct|kyle> bzr pull && make && make install
19:57 <Pathetique> lololol
19:57 <BabyBug> or just make install...
19:58 <ct|kyle> you know BabyBug it does not take me long to dig a 6 foot hole
19:59 <BabyBug> Is that meant to mean something?
19:59 <ct|kyle> somewhat :P
19:59 <Pathetique> Maybe he likes to be thorough.
20:00 <ct|kyle> I was referring to dig it to place her in :P
20:01 <ct|kyle> and then fill it back in
20:01 <BabyBug> why? =(
20:01 <ct|kyle> why not :P
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20:05 <MilesPrower> Hi again
20:05 <Durka> http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=19091&p=205490#p205490
20:06 <MilesPrower> Well, I got my server working, but I can't seem to make a decent PHP script to show the ladder as a html table... any help?
20:07 <Pathetique> There is one.
20:07 <MrBougo> why is the font so huge on the forums?
20:07 <Pathetique> g2g
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20:07 <luke-jr> MrBougo: it wouldn't be if anyone could figure out the answer to that
20:07 <MrBougo> oh well, I thought it was desired
20:08 <Durka> luke-jr: i know the answer
20:08 <Durka> it was perfect till u fucked up the css :P
20:08 <MilesPrower> Does anyone have a good PHP script for a Armagetron ladder?
20:08 <luke-jr> Durka: not
20:08 <Durka> :D
20:08 <luke-jr> Durka: it was way too small before
20:09 <Durka> MilesPrower: http://durka.ath.cx/stats.php
20:09 <Durka> something like that?
20:09 <MilesPrower> Yeah
20:09 <Durka> u want that script?
20:09 <MilesPrower> Yeah plz. =)
20:09 <ct|kyle> that script has been around everywhere LOL
20:10 <BabyBug> It can't be that hard to fix the font size >.<
20:10 <ct|kyle> we should put it in launchpad
20:11 <MilesPrower> Durka: Where can I download script?
20:11 <Durka> MilesPrower: I have one with the players.txt included
20:11 <Durka> cant find it tho
20:12 <Durka> for now
20:12 <Durka> use it:
20:12 <Durka> http://rafb.net/p/uSbCHN63.html
20:12 <Durka> it's pretty ugly at the top
20:12 <MilesPrower> ty
20:12 <Durka> all that span style stuff
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20:12 <Durka> is for the server names
20:12 <Durka> er he left
20:12 <Durka> sweet
20:13 <Durka> and that works for my css
20:13 <Durka> :S
20:13 <Durka> he's gonna be fuct
20:13 <ct|kyle> heh
20:13 <ct|kyle> he'll be bacj
20:13 <ct|kyle> back*
20:13 <ct|kyle> this was his second trip here today
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20:15 <MilesPrower> Sorry about disappearing, my IRC client crashed.
20:16 <Durka> lol
20:16 <Durka> what i was saying
20:16 <Durka> was the span style stuff at the top is for the server names
20:16 <ct|kyle> some days I feel like a psychic
20:17 <Durka> it looks weird cuz each letter is a differnet color lol
20:17 <Durka> and what u have is for the css i use
20:17 <Durka> u'll probably be able to figure it out
20:18 <MilesPrower> kk.
20:18 <MilesPrower> Tyvm, I actually tried to learn PHP... It's pretty confusing xD
20:20 <ct|kyle> that is a good script to learn on, really was my first script
20:21 <Durka> ct|kyle: are you 100% positive the sty+ct branch isnt fuct up?
20:21 <Durka> i dont wanna fuck up my shittt
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20:22 <ct|kyle> well it has all the patches in it
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20:23 <epsy> iccleoldme, already?
20:23 -!- iccleoldme is now known as BabyBug
20:23 <BabyBug> What?
20:23 <epsy> [22:22] * iccleoldme [n=babybug@87.115.138.63] a rejoint #armagetron
20:23 <BabyBug> already what?
20:23 <BabyBug> :s
20:24 <epsy> already having your connection go boom :)
20:25 <BabyBug> I'm using a friends laptop atm...The wireless keeps disconnecting on it :s
20:25 <BabyBug> it's crappy
20:25 <epsy> yeah, excuses
20:25 <BabyBug> Don't get me wrong mind....The internet in Wales is crappy anyway
20:26 <ct|kyle> that is probably because you don't know how to speak
20:26 <epsy> s/^.*internet in//
20:26 <epsy> :o)
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20:27 <BabyBug> epsy, i hope you die a slow, painful and humiliating death
20:27 <ct|kyle> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKiBEA58sxI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webuser.co.uk%2Fnews%2F279693.html%3Faff%3Drss&feature=player_embedded  << French are retarded
20:28 <epsy> so is your url
20:28 <epsy> lol, TV was talking about that crap right now
20:28 <epsy> who cares anyway >.>
20:34 <ct|kyle> Durka: yes it does fix it
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20:42 <epsy> :O
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20:45 <BabyBug> when is someone going to find out what happened to armabot :@
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21:01 <Durka> BabyBug: i know i can count on u for help, ping
21:01 <BabyBug> Durka, erm...?
21:01 <Durka> when im installing the arma dedicated server
21:01 <Durka> right now
21:01 <Durka> i have it installed to
21:01 <Durka>  /opt/armagetronad/
21:01 <Durka> theoretically, can i install it wherever i want
21:01 <Durka> like
21:02 <Durka>  /arma/babybug/is/a/noob/
21:02 <luke-jr> does BabyBug even do anything with Arma?
21:02 <BabyBug> How am i meant to know that? :|
21:02 <Durka> no, this is a linux question kinda
21:02 <Durka> luke-jr: halp
21:02 <Durka> :D
21:02 <luke-jr> Durka: I have yet to see a question
21:03 <Durka> can i install it wherever i want
21:03 <Durka> ?
21:03 <BabyBug> luke-jr, hey i do stuff!
21:03 <BabyBug> =\
21:03 <luke-jr> BabyBug: you do?
21:04 <BabyBug> no not really =(
21:04 <BabyBug> I would if i could...I just don't know how to do stuff =)
21:05 <epsy> Durka, yes
21:05 <Vanhayes> just pretend you do stuff im sure no one will notice
21:05 <Durka> k
21:05 <BabyBug> Vanhayes, Ok i'll do that =)
21:07 <BabyBug> Why is the changelog kept in the NEWS file? :s
21:07 <BabyBug> that's just silly
21:07 <epsy> what's better?
21:07 <epsy> diving into 1k commit messages?
21:07 <BabyBug> CHANGELOG
21:07 <BabyBug> call the file that? :P
21:07 <epsy> make a patch :D
21:07 <BabyBug> ...
21:08 <Vanhayes> she doesnt really do stuff
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21:08 <epsy> well, harrass z-man or another admin about it
21:08 <nsh22> haiho
21:09 <nsh22> ct|kyle: have you worked with java?
21:09 <epsy> guru3, Tigers Network &amp; Co.
21:09 <BabyBug> :|
21:09 <epsy> (that's how your subforum is named in the forums)
21:09 <epsy> Lucifer, BabyBug needs to harrass you a second
21:10 <BabyBug> lol...
21:10 <nsh22> she harasdses at all times...
21:10 <nsh22> harrasses*
21:10 <nsh22> :P
21:10 <BabyBug> harasses*
21:10 <nsh22> w/e
21:11 <epsy> :P
21:12 <Durka> nsh22: yes he has
21:12 <nsh22> i need to know if any knowledge from java can be transfered to arma (c++)
21:13 <Vanhayes> im going to say no
21:14 <nsh22> wehy not?
21:16 <Vanhayes> im just guessing, might be yes might be no
21:16 <Durka> thats like saying does html knowledge help
21:16 <Durka> im guessing no too
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21:29 <BabyBug> HELP! Trunk won't compile.... http://rafb.net/p/4bSmIt41.html
21:29 <BabyBug> please... =)
21:32 <Durka_> PinkTomato: ping
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21:33 <PinkTomato> Durka: pong
21:33 <Durka> durka:~/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct# ./configure --prefix=/arma/styct --disable-glout --enable-automakedefaults --disable-sysinstall --disable-etc --disable-useradd --disable-initscripts --enable-armathentication
21:33 <Durka> -bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
21:33 <Durka> oO
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21:34 <BabyBug> Durka, ./bootstrap.sh
21:34 <Durka> i had to do that first right?
21:34 <Durka> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Running_Multiple_Servers_on_a_single_Linux_computer
21:34 <BabyBug> Do ./bootstrap first
21:34 <noob13> .tea
21:34 <Durka> that damn page never tells me that :p
21:34 <tronner> noob13: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): -»|hoop, ¦×¦ Hoax, ct-eddie, CT¤Tadd, orly?, Penguin, Player 1, Radian, stax, TheN00b, `Ww Crucifix, ~|DS|~zion
21:34 <Durka> k
21:34 <PinkTomato> that page is annyoying outdated
21:34 <Durka> its been fixed up a bit
21:34 <nsh22> then update it
21:34 <PinkTomato> plus the bash scripts could be made nicer :)
21:35  * PinkTomato cannot do bash well
21:35 <BabyBug> in fairness, that wiki doesn't assume you got the source from bzr =)
21:36 <PinkTomato> :), has the compile method been changed to cmake ?
21:36 <nsh22> what is bash?
21:36 <epsy> er
21:36 <epsy> hm?
21:36 <epsy> PinkTomato, not on trunk
21:36 <BabyBug> PinkTomato, Nope
21:37 <BabyBug> nsh22, bash is bash
21:37 <BabyBug> shell environment
21:37 <nsh22> .....
21:37 <nsh22> ok
21:37 <epsy> it's in developement, and all scripts shoould be made in python
21:37 <epsy> nsh22, wp it
21:37 <PinkTomato> nsh22: think DOS, but actually useable
21:37 <nsh22> ...
21:37 <nsh22> lol
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21:38 <epsy> PinkTomato, why are you asking about cmake support?
21:39 <Vanhayes> yay im 2108 dollars richer
21:39 <PinkTomato> epsy: just wondering if I update arma tonight, if I need to figure it out :)
21:39 <epsy> ah ok
21:39 <epsy> bbl
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21:41 <nsh22> Vanhayes: how?
21:41 <Vanhayes> taxes
21:41 <nsh22> so technically, your not richer, your just $2108 less in debt
21:42 <BabyBug> Why do you assume he's in debt?
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21:42 <BabyBug> z-man, ping
21:42 <Vanhayes> no, the government gave me money back caus ei paid them too much taxes
21:42 <nsh22> wait, rephrase: the canadian deficit is now $2108 bigger :P
21:43 <PinkTomato> $2108 is a lot to be over taxed on
21:43 <z-man> BabyBug: what?
21:43 <Vanhayes> thanks to me it grows by $768 every 2 weeks
21:43 <nsh22> Vanhayes: how did you pay MORE???
21:43 <Vanhayes> i worked alot
21:43 <BabyBug> z-man, Why is NEWS called NEWS and not CHANGELOG?
21:44 <Vanhayes> im not sure how taxes really work, all i know is i claimed around 2000 or so and they gave me it
21:45 <Vanhayes> probably could have got alot more if i saved reciepts
21:45 <z-man> Because CHANGELOG is the detailed changelog, traditionally. at least AFAIK.
21:45 <BabyBug> Oh...ok =)
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22:09 <Vanhayes> electric dog collars hurt
22:09 <BabyBug> Anybody know why this is doing this? Latest revision from trunk.. http://rafb.net/p/4bSmIt41.html :@
22:10 <nsh22> Vanhayes: wtf did ou havce a dog collar on?
22:11 <Vanhayes> i didnt have it on, my neighbors dog got stuck in my yard and was barking so i took it off her and walked her across and got shocked
22:12 <Vanhayes> didnt think i was touching the prongs, but i was
22:12 <nsh22> lmao
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22:33 <BabyBug> @whoever it matters to.... Arma won't compile with the gold linker
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22:44 <ivantis> What happened to the forums? They look all...different
22:44 <BabyBug> Try reading the forums
22:46 <nsh22> ivantis: upgrade
22:55 <ivantis> Yahoo [Bot] and Google [Bot]?
22:55 <ivantis> zomg
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23:01 <ivantis> guru3, you administrate the forums, right? There needs to be a link at the top to go to the root forums (just http://forums3.armagetronad.net)
23:01 <ivantis> guru3, root of the forums**
23:02 <guru3> it's called "Board Index"
23:02 <guru3> present at the top and bottom of every page except the index itself
23:03 <ivantis> OOO
23:03 <ivantis> I see
23:04 <guru3> you can also click the header
23:04 <ivantis> Not the entire image though, only the part that says "ARMAGETRON FORUMS"
23:05 <guru3> because of how the html is constructed
23:05 <BabyBug> Why is the font still so big? >.<
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23:06 <ivantis> And why isn't SPACE-LAB in the servers categories thing?
23:07 <guru3> ?
23:08 <ivantis> ?
23:08 <guru3> 23:06:30 < ivantis> And why isn't SPACE-LAB in the servers categories thing?
23:08 <guru3> i have no idea what you're talking about
23:09 <ivantis> http://forums3.armagetronad.net/viewforum.php?f=70
23:09 <ivantis> That thing
23:09 <guru3> what space lab though?
23:09 <guru3> afaik ever forum that was ever there is still there
23:10 <ivantis> SPACE-LAB Shooting, my server
23:10 <ivantis> It was never there before though
23:10 <guru3> you have to specifically request it
23:10 <ivantis> how?
23:10 <guru3> by asking me
23:11 <ivantis> guru3, pretty please, will you add SPACE-LAB servers to the forums?
23:11 <guru3> no
23:12 <ivantis> why not?
23:12 <guru3> you don't want me to answer that question
23:13 <ivantis> Who are all these bots? MSN [Bot]?
23:13 <ivantis> Search engines have their own logins?
23:13 <guru3> it's a feature of phpbb3
23:14 <guru3> to show what bots are currently indexing the forums
23:14 <ivantis> O
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23:22 <ivantis> fail
23:22 <ivantis> http://open.thumbshots.org/image.aspx?url=forums.armagetronad.net
23:23 <epsy> .calc /( 1 * ( 0.3 * 3 - 0.25 * 2 -0.1 ) )
23:23 <epsy> .calc ( 1 * ( 0.3 * 3 - 0.25 * 2 -0.1 ) )
23:23 <epsy> ]calc ( 1 * ( 0.3 * 3 - 0.25 * 2 -0.1 ) )
23:23 <ljrbot> epsy: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
23:24 <epsy> ]google calc ( 1 * ( 0.3 * 3 - 0.25 * 2 -0.1 ) )
23:24 <ljrbot> epsy: Error: "google" is not a valid command.
23:24 <epsy> @google calc ( 1 * ( 0.3 * 3 - 0.25 * 2 -0.1 ) )
23:24 <teabot> epsy: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
23:24 <BabyBug> epsy, 0.3!
23:24 <epsy> ?
23:29 <epsy> gah, why are people using rubber as a way to measure how deep you grinded ?
23:31 <Vanhayes> its the easist way i guess
23:31 <ivantis> Grinded? Ground, epsy
23:31 <Vanhayes> too many people are fixated on it anyways
23:32 <ivantis> "Grinder! Kick!"
23:32 <epsy> here's what I just read
23:32 <epsy> « In another words can a player (i'm talking about the center attacker) who digs 4.9 just once beat a double grinder who also did 4.9 on the 180? »
23:33 <ivantis> 4.9 what?
23:33 <epsy> I guess I'll go deep in rubber and explain it from beginning to end :à
23:33 <ivantis> epsy, did you ever get a new phone?
23:36 <Vanhayes> ivantis, doesnt he ignore you?
23:37 <ivantis> I think he unignored me
23:37 <Vanhayes> speaking of phones anyone know when that new sony Idou comes out?
23:38 <Vanhayes> my phone doesnt even ring anymore so i think i might get a new one
23:39 <ivantis> You should get an HTC Dream
23:39 <ivantis> They're awesome
23:39 -!- animuson [n=animuson@CM-204-193-203-61.omah.tconl.com] has joined #armagetron
23:40 <Vanhayes> ivantis, what is awesome about them?
23:40 <animuson> is it possible to disable single player mode / make it so one player still runs on the multiplayer mode
23:40 <animuson> ?
23:40 <ivantis> They run the Android OS
23:41 <ivantis> Open source phone operating system
23:41 <ivantis> Totally geektastic and awesome
23:41 <Vanhayes> hmm, cant remember what the Idou is suppose to run
23:41 <Vanhayes> though it has a 12 megapixel camera on it
23:43 <ivantis> 12? These Dreams only have 3.2 or something
23:44 <animuson> anyone?
23:44 <ivantis> animuson, I don't understand your question
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23:45 <Vanhayes> animuson, im pretty sure there is a way, if i understand you
23:47 <Vanhayes> dont know off hand what the settings are tho sorry
23:48 <animuson> i want to disable sp mode
23:48 <animuson> so it uses the same functions as it would if there were 10 players
23:48 <animuson> with only 1
23:49 <Vanhayes> ya, so if you had a fortress server, it would still be fort with one person in it right?
23:49 <animuson> well i run a racing server
23:49 <Vanhayes> or CTF or racing or whichever mode
23:49 <animuson> and it wont store times for sp mode cause it runs dif functions
23:51 <Vanhayes> hmm, im not sure if you can do that
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