Log from 2009-03-11:
--- Day changed Wed Mar 11 2009
00:00 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1095 Made it possible to switch viewports in four player mode.... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1094 Also renamed SilenceAll variable intenally....
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00:37 <fonkay> #q
00:37 <@armabot> fonkay: Quote #65: "<Ady666> armabot, 1+2? [...] <Ady666> its thinking" (added by epsy at 12:14 AM, December 22, 2007)
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01:04 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r922 Coward now is only afraid to follow enemy walls closely....
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01:17 <Vanhayes> #night
01:17 <@armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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01:18 <luke-jr> wow
01:18 <sinewave> what
01:19 <luke-jr> does that mean the AI are now easier to tk?
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01:30 <sinewave> hmm...
01:30 <sinewave> My connection is suspiciously sketchy tonight.
01:31 <luke-jr> get a server from m…. oh, wait. ;)
01:38 * sinewave rolls eyes
01:39 <sinewave> Actually, I can't wait until I have money again. I miss my racing server.
01:48 <luke-jr> that won't fix your ISP tho ;)
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03:01 <@armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Pathetique/pigsty/htf-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Pathetique
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03:15 <@armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Pathetique/pigsty/holdtheflag-0.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Pathetique
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03:27 <@armabot> armagetronad: * resources/Pathetique/pigsty/holdtheflag-0.0.2.aamap.xml: Resource by Pathetique
04:23 <Lucifer> fire juggling balls are not lame!
04:23 <Lucifer> oh, she's not here anymore to see that
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05:50 <Zurd> hey guys
05:51 <Zurd> is there any possible way to set up and host an armagetron server through a FTP server?
05:52 <Zurd> anybody home tonight?
05:59 <sinewave> Zurd: : say what?
05:59 <Zurd> can i install a sever onto a FTP server?
06:01 <Zurd> for instance, i have a ftp server with 1g bandwith and 2gb storage, can i host a server through it?
06:01 <sinewave> interesting question. I think it's up to your hosting service. Mine won't let me.
06:01 <Zurd> how would i try?
06:02 <sinewave> well, I think you should wait and see if a dev is available. I'm pretty dumb about that stuff. sorry.
06:02 <Zurd> darn, i'll have to ask them tomarow, gtg
06:02 <Zurd> gnight guys
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06:03 <sinewave> bb
06:03 <luke-jr> Zurd: FTP is a security hole; you should tell them to stop hosting it
06:03 <luke-jr> oops, too late
06:03 <sinewave> lol!
06:03 <luke-jr> sinewave: well it is
06:03 <luke-jr> FTP doesn't encrypt passwords at all
06:04 <sinewave> I'll keep that in mind.
06:05 <luke-jr> FTP was designed in the generation where connections were direct PC to PC ☺
06:05 <luke-jr> eg, you dialed in to the server
06:06 <luke-jr> back when encryption was to some degree illegal
06:06 <sinewave> oh yeah...
06:06 <luke-jr> (couldn't export it outside the US, so using it was impractical)
06:07 <sinewave> I remember hearing about that now.
06:13 <luke-jr> bored
06:14 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: I have flag zones almost working
06:14 <luke-jr> cool
06:14 <luke-jr> mayeb I should do my base respawn rewrite
06:14 <ct|kyle> they are a bit jumpy though
06:14 <luke-jr> but first
06:14 <luke-jr> let's ask an expert
06:14 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: hi
06:15 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: does anyone care if BASE_RESPAWN can be changed mid-round?
06:15 <luke-jr> sigh
06:15 <ct|kyle> some people do
06:16 <ct|kyle> shape->setPosX(tFunction(owner_->Position().x, 0))
06:16 <luke-jr> o rly? :o
06:16 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: wtf, ew
06:16 <ct|kyle> it works
06:16 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: surely you can find their speed and acceleration?
06:17 <luke-jr> though PosX/Y only support speed ATM :/
06:18 <ct|kyle> I don't know what tFunction is supposed to have, that was just a guess as to what I needed
06:28 <luke-jr> -.-
06:28 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: in this case, tFunction ( currentPosition, speed )
06:28 <luke-jr> where speed is negative if X/Y is decreasing
06:28 <ct|kyle> ah
06:29 <ct|kyle> O can get that I think
06:29 <ct|kyle> I*
06:29 <ct|kyle> that is probably why they are jumpy
06:40 <luke-jr> :p
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08:23 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1096 Removed obsolete (and wrongly calculated) goneRatio variable...
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08:30 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9139 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. NEWS src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Reverting last revision for redunancy.
08:32 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9140 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Manuel Moos: renamed SILENCE_ALL -> SILENCE_DEFAULT.
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08:33 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9141 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Also renamed SilenceAll variable intenally.
08:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9142 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/render/rViewport.cpp): Manuel Moos: Made it possible to switch viewports in four player mode.
08:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9143 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eGameObject.cpp):
08:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
08:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: Removed obsolete (and wrongly calculated) goneRatio variable. This
08:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: fixes sensor collision reports; they would sometimes falsely report a
08:34 <@armabot> armagetronad: temporary wall behind a gridded wall as the first collision.
08:41 <@armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r9144 /armagetronad/trunk/ (9 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed)
08:41 <@armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 9116 to 9143:
08:41 <@armabot> armagetronad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
08:41 <@armabot> armagetronad: r9143 | bazaarmagetron | 2009-03-11 08:34:31 +0100 (Wed, 11 Mar 2009) | 5 lines
08:41 <@armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
08:41 <@armabot> armagetronad: Removed obsolete (and wrongly calculated) goneRatio variable. This
08:41 <@armabot> armagetronad: fixes sensor collision reports; they would sometimes falsely report a
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09:28 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r925 Merge from trunk... || [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r924 Fixed false emergency reports to the AI.... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r891 Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 9116 to 9143:... || [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r923 Switching to survival state when zone vanishes....
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10:33 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r927 Tweaks to trap sensor.... || [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r926 Moved follow evaluator into gAINavigator....
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11:37 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r929 Eviled up attacker AI.... || [trunk-armagetronad-fortress_ai] r928 const correctness....
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15:20 <Pathetique> luke-jr: I can't login to my SSH account that CompGuyGene set up for me on The Server Pharm...has the IP address changed?
15:28 <Pathetique> luke-jr: oic, compguygene sent me a PM last night.
15:39 <Pathetique> #ping
15:39 <@armabot> pong
15:39 <Pathetique> #whofarted
15:39 <@armabot> Pathetique farted!
15:40 <Pathetique> lawl
15:50 <MrBougo> #whofarted
15:50 <@armabot> MrBougo farted!
15:50 <MrBougo> I didn't!
15:51 <MrBougo> I thought it picked some random people up
15:51 <Pathetique> #whofarted
15:51 <@armabot> PinkTomato farted!
15:51 <Pathetique> there we go.
15:52 <MrBougo> eh
15:52 <PinkTomato> lol
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16:28 <epsy> #help whofarted
16:28 <@armabot> epsy: (whofarted <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "say $randomNick farted!".
16:28 <epsy> no random $randowNick commands please
16:28 <epsy> #alias remove whofarted
16:28 <@armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
16:29 <Pathetique> :(
16:29 <pruWord> #voice
16:29 <@armabot> pruWord: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,voice capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
16:29 <pruWord> xD
16:29 <epsy> #voice pruWord
16:29 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v pruWord] by armabot
16:29 <+pruWord> ty
16:29 <Pathetique> o.0
16:29 <+pruWord> does that work now?
16:30 <epsy> that?
16:30 <+pruWord> lol voice
16:30 <+pruWord> i am new at irc
16:30 <+pruWord> xD
16:30 <epsy> how didn't it work before?
16:30 <Pathetique> Is luke-jr in the house?
16:30 <+pruWord> i am trying to find out how to make a voice-chat
16:30 <Pathetique> rofl
16:30 <+pruWord> we have a pru-chan now
16:30 <+pruWord> :P
16:31 <Pathetique> IRC != voice chat
16:31 <epsy> use something like ventrillo or mumble
16:31 <epsy> CT uses mumble
16:31 <+pruWord> i have trillian
16:31 <Pathetique> ...
16:31 <Pathetique> *facepalm*
16:31 <epsy> IRC is an IM protocol designed for chatroom
16:31 <epsy> text ones
16:31 <Pathetique> 100% text based chatroom
16:31 <+pruWord> k
16:31 <epsy> not video or w/e
16:31 <Pathetique> 0% voice chat.
16:31 <+pruWord> ok
16:32 <Pathetique> </smackdown>
16:32 <epsy> IRC is more than 10 year old
16:32 <+pruWord> i always saw speakers next to epsy and concord in mibbit
16:32 <+pruWord> ok ty
16:32 <epsy> it means voice
16:32 <+pruWord> i thought it stands for voice chat
16:32 <epsy> heh
16:32 <+pruWord> :D
16:33 <+pruWord> i think i'll be here more often, after i finally found out how to use irc xD
16:33 <+pruWord> thanks a lot
16:34 <epsy> yw
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16:42 <luke-jr> Pathetique: compguygene's IP is fixed
16:42 <Pathetique> Still the same old IP?
16:42 <luke-jr> it should never change
16:42 <Pathetique> saweet.
16:44 <luke-jr> just got *my* email from gene
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16:45 <Pathetique> lolol
16:46 <vudiss> i wanna sex :D
16:48 <Pathetique> /callvote kick vudiss
16:48 <Pathetique> #kick vudiss
16:48 <@armabot> Pathetique: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
16:48 <vudiss> ,
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16:53 <MrBougo> lol
16:53 <Pathetique> did he send anyone else a pm saying "wanna sex?"
16:53 <Lizmatic> just you, you're special
16:54 <Pathetique> rofl
16:54 <Pathetique> I guess so.
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16:57 <luke-jr> Pathetique: try now
16:57 <Pathetique> just did
16:57 <Pathetique> as if I read your mind
16:57 <Pathetique> fanfreakingtastic, luke-jr. ty :)
16:59 * luke-jr ponders a long-term fix
16:59 <Pathetique> What was the problem?
16:59 <luke-jr> HN lost the route to the VE
16:59 <luke-jr> when he rebooted
17:00 <Pathetique> HN = Host network? VE = ?
17:00 * Pathetique is a noob.
17:02 <luke-jr> bbiab
17:02 <epsy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCDc7W2P32I
17:02 <Pathetique> wtf is that shit?
17:02 <epsy> you :D
17:03 <Pathetique> I'm the green guy?
17:03 <luke-jr> HN = the machine running the VPS
17:03 <luke-jr> VE = the VPS
17:03 <Pathetique> oic
17:03 <Pathetique> ty
17:03 <luke-jr> BBIAB 4 realzx
17:03 <Pathetique> kk
17:03 <epsy> Pathetique, doesn't matter, they're both as funny :D
17:03 <Pathetique> lawl
17:06 <pruWord> #whoami
17:06 <@armabot> pruWord: I don't recognize you.
17:06 <pruWord> xD
17:06 <pruWord> whoami
17:06 <pruWord> lol
17:06 <pruWord> #kick vudiss
17:06 <@armabot> pruWord: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
17:06 <pruWord> lol fail
17:07 <Pathetique> epsy: would you get this for your car? http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/car/afe6/
17:09 <epsy> crap, I have a car?
17:09 <pruWord> lol how can vudiss(or i ) send a pm?
17:09 <Pathetique> idk, I thought you did.
17:09 <epsy> /query guy or /msg guy message
17:09 <Pathetique> Would you get it if you had one?
17:09 <pruWord> he said "i wanna sex" to me too
17:09 <pruWord> #msg word
17:09 <pruWord> lol
17:09 <epsy> who was it ?
17:09 <Pathetique> some noob.
17:09 <epsy> nicks
17:10 <pruWord> vudiss
17:10 <pruWord> ty
17:10 <epsy> well, he quit the server anyway
17:11 <pruWord> do you know getdigital.com
17:11 <pruWord> my fav g33k site:D
17:12 <pruWord> oops
17:12 <pruWord> wrong link
17:12 <pruWord> www.getdigital.de
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17:22 <zurd> good morning, is anybody awake yet?
17:24 <epsy> no, we're all asleep at 6pm
17:24 <joda_bot> zurd: Zzzzzz ZZZZzzz please don't wake me
17:25 <zurd> i was just wondering if it were possible for to DO, or TEST, weather i can install a srever to a web host through FTP and actually work?
17:25 <epsy> well, how would you START the server?
17:26 <zurd> dunno, why i am asking, maybe through the Url the server is installed to
17:27 <zurd> have the command prompt accessable through the web URL
17:28 <epsy> you can still try that
17:28 <epsy> heh
17:28 <zurd> how would i do so
17:28 <zurd> im just throwing out ideas
17:30 <epsy> well, just install it locally then copy files
17:35 <epsy> @calc 480/270 - 16/9
17:35 <teabot> epsy: (480 / 270) - (16 / 9) = 0
17:37 <epsy> @calc 320 * 270/480
17:37 <teabot> epsy: (320 * 270) / 480 = 180
17:38 <epsy> @calc 320/180 - 16/9
17:38 <teabot> epsy: (320 / 180) - (16 / 9) = 0
17:38 <epsy> okay, I is not dumb
17:58 <Vanhayes> #eliza you are dumb
17:58 <@armabot> Vanhayes: Why do you say i are dumb?
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18:00 <BabyBug> \o
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18:12 <BabyBug> z-man has issues
18:12 <luke-jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=vps
18:12 <luke-jr> one day special
18:12 <luke-jr> :p
18:12 <luke-jr> for the next 10 hours max
18:12 <BabyBug> luke-jr has bigger issues
18:13 <BabyBug> One day? lol... no ones going to buy them :P
18:13 <luke-jr> no?
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18:14 <BabyBug> your vps' are cheaper than arma hosting? :|
18:14 <BabyBug> lol
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18:15 <luke-jr> BabyBug: VPS has less support
18:15 <luke-jr> and less user friendly
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18:20 <luke-jr> there, sicne it's a 10 hour special, I put my phone number up :x
18:21 <epsy> wtf does "bc" stand for?!
18:21 <luke-jr> Before Christ?
18:21 <MrBougo> idk
18:21 <Vanhayes> british columbia?
18:21 <epsy> the command line utility
18:21 <MrBougo> "basic calculator"
18:21 <luke-jr> oh
18:21 <luke-jr> man bc?
18:21 <epsy> ..right..
18:22 <epsy> maybe I'll perhaps remember it more than 30 secinds now
18:22 <luke-jr> epsy: want a VPS? XD
18:22 <MrBougo> om
18:22 <epsy> no thanks
18:22 <MrBougo> um*
18:22 <luke-jr> starting at $6/mo
18:22 <MrBougo> "basic calculator" is only mentioned on wikipedia's disambig page
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18:22 <MrBougo> woops
18:25 <luke-jr> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=204632#204632
18:26 <BabyBug> What kind of a VPS can i get for $0?
18:26 <epsy> the ones that don't exist
18:26 <BabyBug> well that's not very nice
18:26 <BabyBug> that's poorism!
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18:26 <epsy> sure it is not
18:27 <luke-jr> wish I could offer Europe VPS :x
18:27 <BabyBug> why can't you?
18:27 <BabyBug> i thought you had EU boxes?
18:27 <BabyBug> or box*
18:30 <luke-jr> BabyBug: not capable of VPS hosting
18:30 <luke-jr> O
18:30 <luke-jr> I'm in the market for one tho I guess
18:31 <luke-jr> wish so many of the sites weren't non-English tho
18:31 <Vanhayes> learn non-english then
18:32 <MrBougo> :D
18:32 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: non-English is many languages
18:32 <Vanhayes> really?
18:33 <BabyBug> Like Welsh! \o/
18:33 <ct|kyle> welsh is for idiots :P
18:33 <luke-jr> and French
18:33 <luke-jr> and German
18:33 <epsy> idiots are for welsh
18:33 * epsy hides
18:33 <ct|kyle> epsy is for idiots
18:34 * epsy goes grab some armor >.>
18:34 <BabyBug> you lot of just jealous of my beautiful language
18:34 <ct|kyle> mv beautiful crappy
18:35 <Vanhayes> is welsh an actual language or just a dialect of english?
18:35 <epsy> BabyBug segvaults
18:35 <luke-jr> Vanhayes fail
18:35 <BabyBug> just because you're too idiotic to learn it ct|kyle doesn't make it crappy
18:35 * BabyBug hits Vanhayes hard!!
18:35 <epsy> yeah, but let's face it, vim is better
18:35 <Vanhayes> is that a yes or a no?
18:35 <BabyBug> it's an actual language...
18:35 <Vanhayes> ill go with yes
18:36 <Vanhayes> whats iut look like?
18:36 <Vanhayes> it*
18:36 <BabyBug> umm...like a language? :s
18:36 <Vanhayes> i thought welsh were just english people from wales
18:36 <BabyBug> :|
18:36 <BabyBug> lkjsdfhlkjsdhg
18:36 <epsy> yeah, it's just that Vanhayes
18:37 <BabyBug> bitch, cunt, whore! we are nothing the english! :@
18:37 <BabyBug> like the*
18:37 <epsy> :D
18:37 <epsy> then move away
18:37 <epsy> push yourself out of england and bump on the celtics
18:38 <BabyBug> ...
18:38 <BabyBug> i would if i could!
18:38 <Vanhayes> go ira on there ass
18:38 <epsy> :D
18:38 <Vanhayes> their*
18:38 <BabyBug> when i rule the world, england won't exist
18:38 <Vanhayes> when I rule the worl every country will have a number instead of a name
18:39 <ct|kyle> but BabyBug I killed you 3 or 4 times, so you are dead you will never rule the world
18:39 <BabyBug> #kick ct|kyle still alive and kicking... get it? kicking...i just kicked you.. ^^
18:39 <Vanhayes> doesnt the bible say the dead shall inherit the world?
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18:39 <BabyBug> 8-)
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18:39 <ct|kyle> wwhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeee
18:40 <epsy> ARGH
18:41 <ct|kyle> my classmates and I overthrew our professor last week LOL
18:42 <wrtlprnft> argh, yet another spambot is posting around the forums :o
18:42 <BabyBug> that's not a very nice thing to call epsy wrtlprnft
18:42 <wrtlprnft> epsy?
18:42 <epsy> wrtlprnft?
18:42 <wrtlprnft> where did i mention epsy?
18:42 <wrtlprnft> hi there, btw
18:43 <luke-jr> actually, maybe I can do VPS in Europe :o
18:43 <epsy> hi there
18:43 <BabyBug> it was a joke... >.<
18:43 <BabyBug> zeesh!
18:43 <BabyBug> tough crowd...
18:43 <epsy> a welsh one
18:43 <Pathetique> ct|kyle: what'd you do?
18:43 <BabyBug> cei di ceg! :P
18:43 <epsy> :DD
18:43 <ct|kyle> P
18:44 <Vanhayes> are the welsh celtic?
18:44 <ct|kyle> Pathetique: basically told him the book sucks, he can't teach and that there were too many homework problems.
18:44 <Pathetique> LOL
18:44 <Pathetique> And so what hahappened?
18:44 <epsy> what does he teach btw?
18:44 <ct|kyle> so now he is only grading the first 14 problems any after that is extra cedit
18:44 <ct|kyle> physics
18:44 <epsy> heh
18:44 <Pathetique> nice!
18:45 <ct|kyle> I got a 68% on first test everyone else was between 29% and 40%
18:45 <Pathetique> :o
18:46 <ct|kyle> the class started with 16 and we are down to 5
18:46 <Pathetique> Makes sense that he can't teach, then.
18:47 <ct|kyle> ya, but he still dose not understand that
18:47 <Pathetique> Too late to switch out?
18:47 <epsy> * is and..now how I am going to do OR ?
18:47 <Pathetique> | ?
18:48 <epsy> (standard_in) 1: illegal character: |
18:48 <epsy> (standard_in) 1: parse error
18:48 <ct|kyle> pretty much so, I can still drop it if I have to
18:48 <epsy> Pathetique, math parser
18:48 <Pathetique> oic
18:48 <Pathetique> idk
18:49 <Pathetique> rtfm or maybe even lmgtfy.com/?q=OR+math+parser
18:49 <Pathetique> :D
18:49 <Pathetique> lolol
18:49 <BabyBug> epsy, ||?
18:49 <Pathetique> btw
18:50 <Pathetique> If someone here was the first person to clue me in to that site, kudos to you.
18:50 <Pathetique> I friggin <3 lmgtfy
18:50 <Pathetique> :D
18:50 <epsy> BabyBug, that's not math either
18:50 <MrBougo> Pathetique, it has a live log too
18:50 <MrBougo> not so live
18:50 <MrBougo> and it's got weird requests
18:50 <Pathetique> I know.
18:50 <Pathetique> I was watching it before.
18:50 <MrBougo> hehe
18:50 <MrBougo> for hours? :p
18:50 <Pathetique> epsy: perhaps you just type in OR
18:50 <epsy> tried that
18:50 <Pathetique> You're doing boolean maths I take it?
18:50 <Pathetique> o.0
18:51 <epsy> I'm avoiding doing multiple runs of the math parser
18:51 <Pathetique> CPU hoar?
18:51 <epsy> ah I think I have an idea that would work for bools
18:51 <MrBougo> epsy, what are you trying to do?
18:52 <epsy> x*(-1)+1
18:52 <epsy> :)
18:52 <MrBougo> hehe
18:52 <Pathetique> o.o
18:52 <Pathetique> wtf is that shit?
18:52 <Pathetique> LOL
18:52 <MrBougo> writing a math parser
18:52 <epsy> no
18:52 <epsy> using one lol
18:52 <MrBougo> which one? :p
18:52 <epsy> just bc
18:52 <MrBougo> eh
18:53 <MrBougo> || works in if statements
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18:53 <epsy> strange, man bc talks about ||
18:53 <MrBougo> you're trying to do boolean algebra in BC? :p
18:53 <Pathetique> perhaps you should try u*r*gay
18:53 <Pathetique> and see what you get
18:53 <Pathetique> see what it tells you
18:53 <Pathetique> yaddamean?
18:54 <MrBougo> it says 0
18:54 <Pathetique> lawl
18:54 <epsy> $ echo "u*r*gay" | bc -l
18:54 <epsy> 0
18:54 <MrBougo> epsy, u*r*gay + 1
18:54 <Pathetique> rofl.
18:54 <Pathetique> LOL
18:54 <epsy> :D
18:54 <MrBougo> bc is fun
18:54 <epsy> I'm officially gay+1
18:54 <Pathetique> nono
18:54 <Pathetique> you're just gay
18:55 <Pathetique> not +1
18:55 <Pathetique> the plus one makes you gay :P
18:55 <epsy> well no
18:55 <epsy> if I ask it if I'm gay it says 0
18:55 <Pathetique> lawl
18:56 <epsy> it's funny how bash concats strings
18:56 <MrBougo> epsy, better than bac +5
18:56 <epsy> $ echo "($vidwidth / $vidheight >= 1 ) * 0 "'||'" 1" | bc -l
18:56 <epsy> 1
18:56 <epsy> heh
18:56 <Pathetique> you silly linuxers
18:56 <Pathetique> :P
18:56 <MrBougo> eh
18:56 <Pathetique> rather
18:56 <MrBougo> why, doesnt bash like || 's?
18:56 <Pathetique> command-line hoars.
18:57 <MrBougo> or it's not bash, epsy ?
18:57 <epsy> apparently not
18:57 <MrBougo> $ echo "foo||bar"
18:57 <MrBougo> foo||bar
18:57 <epsy> wtf now >.>
18:57 <Pathetique> $ echo LAWLWUT
18:57 <Pathetique> -.-
18:57 <Pathetique> ic.
18:57 <MrBougo> epsy, if it's bash, you could just as well use bash's builtin math :p
18:57 <epsy> it sucks
18:57 <epsy> can only do ints
18:58 <MrBougo> oh indeed
18:58 <epsy> from beginning to end
18:58 <epsy> it led me to pretty weird shit
18:58 <Pathetique> have BC calculate Pi to the 100th place
18:58 <epsy> esp. if you're working with relations
18:58 <MrBougo> $ echo "($vidwidth / $vidheight >= 1 ) * 0 "'||'" 1" | bc -l
18:58 <MrBougo> are you calculating stuff, then multiplying it by zero? :p
18:59 <epsy> bah, that's just on my side bash term
18:59 <epsy> if [ $(echo "( $vidwidth / $vidheight >= 1 ) * ( $2 / $3 ) || " | bc -l) -eq 1 ]
18:59 <MrBougo> lol
18:59 <luke-jr> epsy: why not use $(())?
18:59 <MrBougo> yeah
18:59 <MrBougo> and [[ ]]
18:59 <epsy> said it earlier
18:59 <MrBougo> stay standard :p
18:59 <Pathetique> =}O{=
18:59 <Pathetique> goatse!
18:59 <MrBougo> also, you can use a here-string
19:00 <MrBougo> $(bc -l <<< "( $vidwidth / $vidheight >= 1 ) * ( $2 / $3 ) || ")
19:00 <Pathetique> lawl
19:00 <epsy> who cares >.>
19:00 <Pathetique> he's just showing you how 1337 he is
19:00 <Pathetique> ;)
19:00 <epsy> that's the same thing put in another order
19:00 <MrBougo> echo is in /bin/
19:00 <MrBougo> here-strings are builtin
19:00 <MrBougo> no needs for pipes or whatever, I guess it's more performant
19:01 <luke-jr> MrBougo: echo is builtin too XD
19:01 <MrBougo> is it
19:01 <MrBougo> oh you're right
19:01 <epsy> yeah
19:01 <luke-jr> $(( $vidwidth * $2 / $vidheight / $3 ))
19:01 <MrBougo> there's an echo in /bin too :p
19:01 <luke-jr> there, avoid the fork
19:01 <luke-jr> :p
19:01 <MrBougo> but bash truncates
19:01 <epsy> luke-jr, that would cause crap
19:01 <luke-jr> MrBougo: that's why you multiply first
19:01 <MrBougo> $ echo $((1/3))
19:01 <MrBougo> 0
19:02 <Pathetique> apparently * is a way of saying "AND" right, epsy?
19:02 <epsy> darn, can't I do my little video resizer without trolls biting me?
19:02 <MrBougo> :p
19:02 <Pathetique> apparently not :P
19:02 <MrBougo> bash is sometimes hacky :<
19:02 * Pathetique troll troll troll *NOM*
19:02 <MrBougo> but it's real fun
19:03 <epsy> I forgot what I would put after the "or" part
19:03 <Pathetique> Its as much fun as a command-line console can be.
19:03 <Pathetique> ;)
19:03 <epsy> GUI console is fun as well
19:03 <luke-jr> epsy: what *are* you trying to do?
19:03 <luke-jr> tell me in C and I'll port to BASH
19:03 <epsy> blah, you will see
19:04 <luke-jr> btw, I just undercut fsckvps ;o
19:05 <Pathetique> luke-jr: would we be able to do scripting similar to what happens on Flower Power Sumo Assault with gene's vps?
19:05 <Pathetique> we = I
19:05 <luke-jr> Pathetique: uh, it's a VPS
19:05 <Pathetique> o.o
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19:05 * Pathetique is a noob.
19:05 <luke-jr> from your perspective, it's the same as a normal server
19:06 <BabyBug> you can do pretty much anything
19:06 <Pathetique> so if I can manage to be 1337 enough to install php, I can...
19:06 <Pathetique> hmmm
19:06 <luke-jr> oh
19:06 <luke-jr> well, *you* can't do that
19:06 <Pathetique> oh?
19:06 <luke-jr> gene could, he's root
19:06 <Pathetique> I see.
19:07 <luke-jr> you could get your own VPS for $6/mo and do it ;)
19:07 <Pathetique> lol
19:07 <Pathetique> perhaps when the money flow is more regular for me
19:07 <Pathetique> grocery store hours ftl
19:07 <luke-jr> well, the $6/mo special is just today
19:07 <luke-jr> :p
19:07 <Pathetique> oic
19:07 <Pathetique> hmm.
19:08 <luke-jr> basically, I've got a sweet deal on a new dedi
19:08 <luke-jr> but I need to get back to them by tonight
19:08 <luke-jr> XD
19:09 * Pathetique checks his bank account balance.
19:09 <epsy> damn no that's not the right thing to do
19:09 <luke-jr> epsy: ?
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19:09 * luke-jr peers
19:09 <Pathetique_> ftl
19:10 <Pathetique_> woo...$112.54 paycheck. ._.
19:11 <luke-jr> ._.
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19:14 <luke-jr> hi madmax
19:15 <madmax> hello luke-jr
19:19 * luke-jr wonders why that toll-free number rings his phone
19:19 <luke-jr> I mean, it's nice and convenient and all, but why? XD
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19:44 <epsy> good, that works
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20:37 <BabyBug> what works?
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20:40 <nsh22> omg I LOVE LINUX!!!!!!!
20:44 <MrBougo> :o
20:44 <MrBougo> that much? :p
20:44 <nsh22> actually...
20:44 <nsh22> lol
20:45 <nsh22> i just ran it on my comp, it loosk great, and im useing tehe 7.04 version so kubuntu will be much better :)
21:01 <epsy> BabyBug, http://pastebin.com/m52590c61
21:01 <BabyBug> epsy, what's that for? :|
21:01 <epsy> reencoding videos
21:02 <nsh22> i gots linux im so happy :P
21:02 <epsy> and determining the right resolution to convert the videos to
21:02 <BabyBug> i see...
21:03 <epsy> you see..?
21:03 <BabyBug> yes i see...
21:04 <nsh22> i dont...
21:04 <epsy> you seem so suspicious on me..
21:04 <BabyBug> i'm not
21:05 <epsy> http://serge.31.free.fr/SuiviFtth.php
21:05 <epsy> ctrl+f 78.192.34
21:06 * epsy is the only guy on that subnet rofl :D
21:06 <nsh22> ???
21:07 <epsy> @tea
21:07 <teabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (17/32): 'rope, .:] Corn (Corn1@forums), CTxGonZaP, GP RAM, joda.bot, Kamakazi, noob13 (noob13@ct), noob34, OliveLoft, Penguin, Player 1, pwMetal, viper, z3r0, Zop, ¦×¦ Black_hat
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22:58 <nsh22> anybody home?
23:00 <joda_bot> nsh22: I guess
23:00 <joda_bot> nsh22: somebody is always at home (out there in the far, far reaches of reality)
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23:05 <nsh22> joda_bot: lol
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23:14 <madmax> #tea
23:14 <@armabot> madmax: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
23:15 <BabyBug> #n9
23:15 <@armabot> BabyBug: Nexus9 Deathmatch (NO RUBBER!): Players (0/16):
23:16 <epsy> #somerandomemptyserver
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23:24 <ct|kyle> #someretardedserverthatdoesnotallowmultithreadedbrains
23:25 * joda_bot noticed bot abuse :D ... but is powerless to interfere
23:29 <ct|kyle> joda_bot: where that #n9 BabyBug said?
23:29 <nsh22> ct|kyle: how did that flag fort thing go?
23:29 <joda_bot> ct|kyle: you tried to overload the poor armabot's mind :-)
23:30 <ct|kyle> I was just referring to what #n9 really is :P
23:30 <ct|kyle> nsh22: Flag fort is Almost working
23:30 <nsh22> yay
23:31 <ct|kyle> not commented or updated though
23:31 <nsh22> meh
23:31 <epsy> bot abuse, that makes me remember about q3
23:31 <epsy> just spam "lol" and they will all stop to reply
23:31 <nsh22> i thoik i founded a bug in 2.8.3beta
23:31 <nsh22> ]lol
23:31 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: "lol" is not a valid command.
23:32 <nsh22> ]y
23:32 <ljrbot> A yandere game is starting in 60 seconds! Please type "]yandere" to join.
23:32 <epsy> ]yandere stop
23:32 <ljrbot> The yandere game game has been forced to end.
23:32 <nsh22> :P
23:33 <nsh22> #si fort
23:33 <@armabot> nsh22: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (13/14): 'rope, 0543, dev, Guybrush, hand, LUTHER BLISSET, meh, milan (milan@ct), niro (niro@ct), PerfectPsYk0, tain, thelastSunrise
23:33 <nsh22> #si neal
23:33 <@armabot> nsh22: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “neal” at the moment, sorry.
23:33 <nsh22> #si neal's
23:33 <@armabot> nsh22: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “neal\'s” at the moment, sorry.
23:33 <nsh22> #si neals
23:33 <@armabot> nsh22: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “neals” at the moment, sorry.
23:33 <nsh22> #si random
23:33 <@armabot> nsh22: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “random” at the moment, sorry.
23:33 <nsh22> ____|____
23:35 <joda_bot> epsy: If I enable "hide my global id" will the user list / IRC channel display my login ?
23:36 <joda_bot> #slap nsh22
23:36 <@armabot> joda_bot slaps nsh22 for being a raving moron.
23:36 <joda_bot> :)
23:36 <nsh22> #hug joda_bot
23:36 * joda_bot has hot bot sex with armabot
23:36 <joda_bot> :-P
23:37 <nsh22> ]alias add ]hug $2 [$1 hugs $2 because they like them}
23:37 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
23:37 <nsh22> ]alias add hug $2 [$1 hugs $2 because they like them}
23:37 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
23:37 <nsh22> ]alias add hug $2 [$1 hugs $2 because they like them]
23:37 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: "$1" is not a valid command.
23:38 <nsh22> ]alias add hug $2 [echo $1 hugs $2 because they like them]
23:38 <ljrbot> The operation succeeded.
23:38 <nsh22> ]hug nsh22
23:38 <ljrbot> nsh22: (hug <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "$2 $1 hugs $2 because they like them".
23:38 <epsy> ]hug nsh22 echo
23:38 <ljrbot> nsh22 hugs echo because they like them
23:38 <epsy> ]hug nsh22 kick
23:38 <ljrbot> epsy: Error: You don't have the #armagetron,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
23:38 <nsh22> ]alias add hug $2 echo [$1 hugs $2 because they like them]
23:38 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: "$1" is not a valid command.
23:39 <nsh22> ]alias add hug $2 say [echo $1 hugs $2 because they like them]
23:39 <ljrbot> The operation succeeded.
23:39 <nsh22> ]hug nsh22
23:39 <ljrbot> nsh22: (hug <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "$2 say $1 hugs $2 because they like them".
23:39 <epsy> actually how did you get it to accept that ?
23:39 <nsh22> ]hug nsh22 echo
23:39 <ljrbot> say nsh22 hugs echo because they like them
23:39 <nsh22> ]hug nsh22 joda_bot
23:39 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: "joda_bot" is not a valid command.
23:39 <nsh22> ]hug nsh22 joda_bot echo
23:39 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: "joda_bot echo" is not a valid command.
23:39 * joda_bot loves ljrbot
23:39 <nsh22> ]hug nsh22 echo joda_bot
23:39 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: "echo joda_bot" is not a valid command.
23:39 <nsh22> ]hug echo nsh22 joda_bot
23:39 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: "nsh22 joda_bot" is not a valid command.
23:40 <nsh22> epsy: what?
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23:42 <nsh22> ]alias add ]hug $1 "$1 hugs $2 because they like them [echo $1 hugs $2 because they like them]"
23:42 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
23:42 <nsh22> ]alias add hug $1 "$1 hugs $2 because they like them [echo $1 hugs $2 because they like them]"
23:42 <ljrbot> nsh22: The operation succeeded.
23:42 <nsh22> ]hug
23:42 <ljrbot> nsh22: (hug <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "$1 $1 hugs $2 because they like them [echo $1 hugs $2 because they like them]".
23:42 <nsh22> hug
23:42 <nsh22> ]alias add hug $2 "$1 hugs $2 because they like them [echo $1 hugs $2 because they like them]"
23:42 <ljrbot> nsh22: The operation succeeded.
23:42 <nsh22> ]hug neal
23:42 <ljrbot> nsh22: (hug <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "$2 $1 hugs $2 because they like them [echo $1 hugs $2 because they like them]".
23:43 <nsh22> #help slap
23:43 <@armabot> nsh22: (slap <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "echo $who slaps $1 for being a raving moron.".
23:43 <joda_bot> :-D
23:43 <joda_bot> #tickle nsh22
23:43 <nsh22> ]alias add hug $1 "echo $who hugs $1 because they like them"
23:43 <ljrbot> nsh22: The operation succeeded.
23:43 <nsh22> ]alias add ]hug $1 "echo $who hugs $1 because they like them"
23:43 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
23:44 <nsh22> hug joda_bot
23:44 <nsh22> ]hug joda_bot
23:44 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: "joda_bot" is not a valid command.
23:44 <joda_bot> Muhahah :D
23:44 <nsh22> ]hug joda_bot
23:44 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: "joda_bot" is not a valid command.
23:44 <nsh22> ]alias add hug $1 "echo $who hugs $1 because they like them"
23:44 <ljrbot> nsh22: The operation succeeded.
23:44 <nsh22> it should work....
23:45 <joda_bot> nsh22: only if the bots are identical (software / plugin wise) which they aren't
23:46 <joda_bot> afaik
23:46 <nsh22> ??/
23:46 <nsh22> they arnt the same bot?
23:47 <nsh22> luke-jr: is ljrbot a supybot?
23:48 <BabyBug> nsh22, it shouldn't work. You're creating the alias wrong.
23:48 <nsh22> :(
23:48 <joda_bot> ]version
23:48 <joda_bot> #version
23:48 <ljrbot> joda_bot: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3. The newest version available online is 0.83.3.
23:48 <@armabot> joda_bot: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3. The newest version available online is 0.83.3.
23:48 <nsh22> BabyBug: how dould i do it then?
23:48 <BabyBug> don't put the $1 before the "echo....
23:49 <nsh22> is that all?
23:49 <BabyBug> that's all
23:49 <nsh22> ]alias add hug "echo $who hugs $1 because they like them"
23:49 <ljrbot> nsh22: The operation succeeded.
23:49 <nsh22> ]hug babybug
23:49 <ljrbot> nsh22 hugs babybug because they like them
23:49 <nsh22> :P
23:49 <nsh22> yay ty
23:50 <wrtlprnft> woot, i'm a top ten poster!
23:51 <wrtlprnft> can i call myself a spammer now?
23:51 <nsh22> on the forums?
23:51 <BabyBug> that just means you have too much spare time
23:51 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:51 <nsh22> lol
23:51 <BabyBug> which you should better spending coding arma 8-)
23:51 <wrtlprnft> i beat n54 a couple of posts ago
23:51 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: on forums ?
23:51 <wrtlprnft> yeah
23:51 <nsh22> :P
23:51 <nsh22> ]hug joday_bot
23:51 <ljrbot> nsh22 hugs joday_bot because they like them
23:51 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: congratulations
23:52 <wrtlprnft> thanks
23:52 <BabyBug> nsh22, try typing "jod" and then press the tab key...
23:52 <joda_bot> because "they" like them ?
23:52 <nsh22> yay it worked
23:52 <nsh22> ]hug joda_bot
23:52 <ljrbot> nsh22 hugs joda_bot because they like them
23:52 <wrtlprnft> they means you don't know if it's he or she
23:52 <joda_bot> the plural royalis for "nsh22"
23:53 <nsh22> well the bot doesnt know how to differntiate so....
23:53 <BabyBug> they can be singular aswell
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23:53 <nsh22> #tickle me
23:53 <nsh22> it dont work...
23:57 <luke-jr> hm
23:57 <luke-jr> wtf, ender never paid his first month's bill
23:57 <luke-jr> -.-
23:57 <nsh22> uh oh!
23:58 <luke-jr> ]last --from ender
23:58 <ljrbot> luke-jr: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1000 messages.
23:58 <luke-jr> ]last --from e_n_d_e_r
23:58 <ljrbot> luke-jr: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1000 messages.
23:58 <luke-jr> #last --from e_n_d_e_r
23:58 <luke-jr> #last --from ender
23:58 <luke-jr> #lastseen ender
23:58 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 50000 messages.
23:58 <luke-jr> :/
23:59 <luke-jr> f u bots
23:59 <@armabot> luke-jr: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 50000 messages.
23:59 <joda_bot> luke-jr: no :-)
23:59 <luke-jr> joda_bot: ?
23:59 <@armabot> luke-jr: timed out
23:59 <joda_bot> luke-jr: "f u bots" ... no
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23:59 <joda_bot> Ragequit ?
23:59 <joda_bot> lol
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