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Log from 2009-02-26:
--- Day changed Thu Feb 26 2009
00:00 <armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-old-glancing] r757 Merge from trunk... || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r889 reinstate ZONE_ALPHA_TOGGLE in Zones v2 || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r888 STRIP oldFortressAutomaticAssignment and parseZoneArthemis_v... || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r887 provide an error in case someone tries to override OnEnter
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00:05 <z-manuel> nsh22: Arbitrator = Judge
00:05 <z-manuel> But I like Armatrator :)
00:05 <z-manuel> luke-jr: maybe it's better to move the V1 sync reading functions back into the dummy class
00:05 <z-manuel> and have it be a subclass of zShapeCircle
00:05 <luke-jr> wouldn't that have the same problem?
00:06 <z-manuel> No :) If there's only one ReadSync function per class, the function resolution is unique.
00:06 <z-manuel> ReadSync in the subclass overwrites the ReadSync from the base class.
00:07 <z-manuel> You can avoid the double conversion performance problem if you like with a little hack, but I wouldn't rate it as too important.
00:07 <z-manuel> You'd need to call the base class' InitOnCreation() and ReadSync() functions manually from the dummy constructor
00:08 <z-manuel> and have the ReadSync function in the dummy do nothing IF this->ID() returns 0
00:08 <z-manuel> which only ever happens on the first ReadSync.
00:10 <luke-jr> z-manuel: overwrites? it doesn't go along side?
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00:11 <z-manuel> luke-jr: no. Functions in a derived class completely hide functions of the same name from a base class.
00:12 <luke-jr> I also could maybe take a parent class as the parameter, and try both casts…
00:12 <z-manuel> To call the function in the base class when you have a pointer/reference to the derived class, you need to do special things.
00:13 <z-manuel> Yeah, that may work, too. The only parent class is nProtoBuf, though.
00:13 <luke-jr> which is better?
00:14 <z-manuel> Go with the derived class.
00:14 <z-manuel> I have a feeling you'd run into trouble with the second sync.
00:14 <luke-jr> ok
00:14 <z-manuel> I think the protobuf type of that will be tetermined by the Descriptor of the actual object
00:14 <z-manuel> which would be the wrong type.
00:14 <luke-jr> o i c
00:15 <z-manuel> Sorry, I didn't properly think about that direction of compatibility :)
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01:31 <nsh22> hey
01:31 <nsh22> luke-jr: would it be possible to disable rotating maps on my server?
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02:45 <nsh22> anybody home?
03:00 <nsh22> **bump**
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03:10 <luke-jr> nsh22: you already know how?
03:11 <nsh22> luke-jr: no
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03:11 <luke-jr> nsh22: one line in each file?
03:12 <nsh22> oh
03:12 <nsh22> i thought it would mess up if it saw there wasnothing to rotate
03:12 <luke-jr> there is
03:12 <luke-jr> one entry
03:12 <luke-jr> :p
03:12 <nsh22> ah
03:12 <luke-jr> it will mess up if there is TRULY nothing
03:12 <nsh22> ty and sry for the dumbness :P
03:13 <nsh22> lol ok
03:14 <noob_saibot> Concord hello
03:14 <Concord> yo
03:15 <noob_saibot> was having a chat with radian and 2020 just a bit ago was looking for you
03:15 <Concord> I was writing a kickass history paper
03:15 <noob_saibot> haha sounds uhhhhh fun
03:15 <noob_saibot> ;)
03:15 <Concord> I'm going to try to move the part in ww sumo to ww fort
03:15 <Concord> there already 6 in fort
03:15 <noob_saibot> can you get on MSN for a few
03:15 <Concord> ;) yeah boatloads actually
03:16 <noob_saibot> nice
03:16 <noob_saibot> or we talk private here
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03:18 <luke-jr> uh
03:19 <luke-jr> is there such a thing as a "kickass history paper"?
03:19 <Concord> sure
03:19 <luke-jr> no wai
03:19 <luke-jr> history is utterly boring
03:22 <Concord> often
03:22 <Concord> yeah
03:22 <Concord> but occasionally its just dirty
03:25 <noob_saibot> i'm dirty
03:25 <ct|kyle> Concord: do ladle teams need set?
03:25 <Concord> not yet
03:26 <Concord> we're just doing random, so I think we're waiting until saturday
03:26 <ct|kyle> ah, I thought we did them Wednesday still
03:26 <Concord> idk
03:26 <Concord> I don't think people are expecting until fri/sat
03:26 <ct|kyle> I have not been keeing up on the big discussions lately
03:26 <Concord> a couple teams are still in the mix
03:27 <Concord> pike is aiming at a second open team
03:27 <Concord> ID maybe
03:27 <Concord> w/e
03:31 <ct|kyle> ya that is true there are teams in the mix, but their  are 15 now, so is there a possibility that there is going to be an earlier round again
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03:32 <ct|kyle> oi sinewav
03:32 <Concord> hoi sine
03:32 <Concord> ky, I suppose
03:32 <sinewav> You crazy Irish guys.
03:33 <ct|kyle> I don't eat 10 lbs of potatoes a day, only 1
03:33 <sinewav> haha
03:33 <sinewav> I can't decide if I should play Arma or go eat.
03:35 <sinewav> #si garden
03:35 <armabot> sinewav: Fortress Garden: Players (4/32): 2020 incam, Ct_Concord, sMoKe, viper
03:35 <sinewav> hmm...
03:35 <luke-jr> JJBean is a schemer. >:O
03:35 <sinewav> oh?!
03:35 <ct|kyle> I'm trying to decide what is more important, upgrade all of CT's server binary's and create scripts to do that, work on new wildfort or something else
03:35 <luke-jr> I am not a schemer.
03:35 <luke-jr> I just… do… things
03:36 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: did you say you pushed working fortress zones v2 stuff?
03:36 <luke-jr> into the main v1v2 branch
03:36 <luke-jr> not into trunk yet
03:36 <luke-jr> I need to get the client piece workign
03:37 <ct|kyle> so I could look at the for sty+ct hacks
03:38 <luke-jr> ?
03:38 <luke-jr> sty+ct isn't integrated at all
03:38 <ct|kyle> I know, I'd have to add it in
03:38 <luke-jr> smoothice already was planning that
03:39 <luke-jr> I suspect I might end up doing it tho
03:39 <ct|kyle> for sty, not sty+ct
03:39 <luke-jr> why not sty+ct? :p
03:39 <ct|kyle> I donno
03:39 <luke-jr> is CT intent on forking or soemthing?
03:39 <luke-jr> is there some reason CT can't work on mainline?
03:41 <ct|kyle> I don't think their  is a reason, I thought the just sty was intended for the old sty patch with some fixes
03:41 <luke-jr> eh
03:41 <luke-jr> that's like, 0.2.8 sty
03:41 <luke-jr> smoothice already got sty working in 0.3 with zones v1
03:41 <luke-jr> now the project is zones v2 sty
03:41 <luke-jr> which can be merged
03:42 <ct|kyle> you hack is on 0.2.8 though correct?
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04:06 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: what?
04:06 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: 0.2.8 is dad
04:06 <luke-jr> dead*
04:06 <luke-jr> everything I am doing is with trunk
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04:32 <noob_saibot> hi sine.away
04:33 <sinewav> I'm back now!
04:33 <sinewav> sine.awave
04:40 <noob_saibot> hi sine.wave!
04:41 <noob_saibot> awave*
04:42 <sinewav> I wish I could draw an ASCII sine wave. I would totally spam that somewhere.
04:42 <noob_saibot> time to eat some steak bRb
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04:55 <luke-jr> sinewav: haha
04:55 <armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r891 actually write the tPoly rotation to the new sync || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r890 zv1 subclass of ShapeCircle...
04:55 <luke-jr> smoothice: fortress is working
04:57 <smoothice> :O
04:57 <smoothice> seriously?
04:57 <luke-jr> yep
04:57 <luke-jr> go play
04:57 <smoothice> is it online?
04:57 <smoothice> using what client version?
04:58 <luke-jr> 0.2.8
04:58 <luke-jr> or trunk
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05:04 <smoothice> luke-jr: is there any way to do automatic log rotation?
05:05 <luke-jr> eh
05:05 <luke-jr> there's no way to do automatic logs
05:05 <luke-jr> so no
05:06 <smoothice> automatic log rotation?
05:15 <luke-jr> wee
05:15 <luke-jr> got client working
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05:19 <sinewav> I'm getting prety excited about 0.3
05:22 <luke-jr> :D
05:23 <luke-jr> requires Debian 6.0+ tho
05:23 <sinewav> my friend did convince me to try kubuntu, and I will as soon as I get pissed off at my computer next
05:24 <luke-jr> lol
05:24 <luke-jr> don't need to install to try
05:24 <sinewav> how's that?
05:24 <sinewav> shell?
05:27 <luke-jr> ..
05:27 <luke-jr> no
05:27 <luke-jr> the CD boots the full OS off it
05:27 <sinewav> shit, no way
05:27 <luke-jr> there's an icon on the desktop for Install
05:27 <sinewav> whoa.
05:27 <luke-jr> which can be ignored if you don't want to, you know, actually install
05:28 <sinewav> so I can set my computer to boot from cd?
05:29 <luke-jr> yeah
05:29 <luke-jr> most anyhow
05:29 <luke-jr> ancient computers won't do it
05:29 <sinewav> omg    I....I....I didn't know....
05:29 <sinewav> I wish you could see the look of astonishment on my face now.
05:29 <sinewav> this doesn't cut it --> :O
05:30 <sinewav> and what is "ancient"?
05:30 <sinewav> 1999?
05:35 <luke-jr> dunno
05:35 <Vanhayes> i have a 98 something in the basement here, i think it has <5 gigs memory
05:35 <luke-jr> ancient probably can't run Kubuntu
05:35 <luke-jr> …
05:35 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: my newest system has 3 gigs
05:35 <sinewav> My newest motherboard is from 2002
05:36 <sinewav> and it's really cheap
05:36 <sinewav> `:(
05:36 <luke-jr> the only time I've wished I had soemthing newer was playing 1080p
05:36 <luke-jr> and I'm not sure why this system can't ahndle it
05:37 <luke-jr> it's only 4.5 yrs old
05:37 <luke-jr> Athlon64 3200+
05:37 <Vanhayes> i found a brand new computer still in the boxes from 2005 in the basement here too
05:37 <luke-jr> XD
05:37 <Vanhayes> I guess it had a dent in it so my parents demanded a new one from dell, and never returned the dented one
05:37 <sinewav> I guess I need to buy a new computer before I do anything.
05:37 <Vanhayes> yet the never took it out of the box either
05:42 <luke-jr> ]later tell z-man make⚂: ⁂ No rule to make target `../../src/protobuf/tColor.pb.cc', needed by `libprotobuf_a-tColor.pb.o'.  Stop.
05:42 <ljrbot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
05:42 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: I'll take it
05:43 <Vanhayes> i have it in my room right now, havent connected it to the internet yet though
05:43 <Vanhayes> id give you the one from 98 but thats going to my cousin
05:44 <luke-jr> I mean the 2005 one
05:44 <sinewav> I have a 233mhz from 95 in my closet just in case I need to open some really old files.
05:53 <Vanhayes> all i had one the 98 was music and napster
05:56 <armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r894 reinstate ZONE_SEGMENTS || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r893 fix v1 rotation reference adjustment || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r892 move Timestep to shapes as well
06:07 <Vanhayes> #tea
06:08 <Vanhayes> #ping
06:08 <armabot> Vanhayes: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “cafe” at the moment, sorry.
06:08 <armabot> pong
06:09 <Lucifer> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
06:09 <Lucifer> <sinewav> I wish I could draw an ASCII sine wave. I would totally spam that somewhere.
06:09 <luke-jr> LOL
06:09 <luke-jr> I think I just made the first protobuf extension :o
06:11 <Lucifer> fonkay: no, I'm still off the wagon
06:11 <Lucifer> how are you doing with it?
06:11 <sinewav> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
06:11 <sinewav> Yes!
06:12 <Lucifer>  /^\_/^\_/
06:12 <Lucifer> that's not very good, hmmmm
06:13 <Lucifer> unununununununununununun <--- ;)
06:13 <sinewav> I think the tilde is good enough, and fast.
06:13 <Lucifer> ^v^v^v^v^v
06:13 <sinewav> ooooooo
06:13 <sinewav> nice
06:13 <Vanhayes> is off the wagon when you are ant drinking, never can remember
06:13 <Lucifer> Vanhayes: we're talking about smoking, actually
06:13 <Lucifer> off the wagon means you're back to the addiction, on the wagon means you're off the addiction
06:15 <Vanhayes> ah, hopefully ill remember that this time
06:15 <Vanhayes> i actually just started back up, made me wonder why i quit
06:15 <Lucifer> you quit because you were smart
06:16 <Lucifer> now you're dumb, like the rest of us that keep smoking
06:16 <akira_arma> smoking sucks because you get an insignificant effect for alot of bad taste (not to mention the health issues)
06:17  * sinewav was lucky to never start
06:17 <Vanhayes> true but that first smoke after all that time, and being reallly stressed felt so good
06:17 <luke-jr> ………
06:18 <Lucifer> of course it did, that's what "addiction" means
06:18 <Lucifer> once you're addicted to cigarettes, you are always addicted
06:18 <Lucifer> you're only choice is to smoke or not to smoke, and choosing not to smoke is a damned hard choice for some reason
06:19 <akira_arma> no
06:19 <akira_arma> i was addicted
06:19 <Lucifer> but if you don't want to smoke, you can't smoke ever again
06:19 <luke-jr> I'm addicted to caffeine. ☹
06:19 <Lucifer> luke-jr: most people are
06:19 <Lucifer> caffeine addiction is different, though.  You can break it, and then take in caffeine from time to time without any ill effects
06:19  * sinewav is addicted to peanut butter and jelly
06:19 <akira_arma> but you can never get addicted to cigarttes like you can get addicted to alcohol or heroine
06:19 <luke-jr> Lucifer: not so sure about that
06:19 <Vanhayes> caffeine is simple to quit compared to smoking
06:20 <luke-jr> very difficult to quit
06:20 <Lucifer> akira_arma: actually, the mechanism for cigarette addiction is stronger than heroine
06:20 <sinewav> My friend's wife was able to quit heroin before she was able to quit smoking
06:20 <akira_arma> thats wrong
06:20 <Lucifer> alcoholism is a similar type of addiction, but "addicted to alcohol" is something other than alcoholism
06:20 <Vanhayes> stronger or equal to heroin or cocaine if the propaganda on my cigerette poack is to be believed
06:21 <Lucifer> nicotine is received in the brain in place of acetylcholine, a neutrotransmitter associated with memory and a few other things
06:21 <Lucifer> that's what makes something "chemically addicting".  It replaces a neurotransmitter
06:21 <Lucifer> heroin does it too, but alcohol generally doesn't, except for a few individuals
06:21 <luke-jr> what does caffeine replace?
06:22 <Vanhayes> energy
06:22 <Lucifer> withdrawal is the period between when you stop taking in new doses of the drug and when your body starts producing the neurotransmitter(s) that were replaced by the drug
06:22 <Lucifer> luke-jr: I don't know, it's possible caffeine doesn't replace any
06:22 <akira_arma> actually they affect the dopamin system not the acetylcholin if i am right
06:22 <luke-jr> Adenosine
06:22 <Lucifer> in addition, with some drugs, a memory is kept, so that when you dose yourself with that drug again after a long hiatus, your brain returns to it's chemically dependent state quickly
06:23 <Lucifer> the recepters that receive acetylcholine are called "nicotinic receptors" for a reason
06:23 <akira_arma> ?
06:23 <Lucifer> http://health.howstuffworks.com/nicotine4.htm
06:23 <Lucifer> were called nicotinic receptors, anyway
06:24 <Lucifer> whatever else, nicotine played a significant role in learning how drug addiction works, and in discovering neurotransmitters in the first place :)
06:25 <Lucifer> http://www.heroinaddiction2.com/how-does-heroin-work.htm
06:25 <Lucifer> heroin takes the place of some endorphins (I understand "endorphin" is a class of neurotransmitters, not a specific one)
06:26 <akira_arma> usually dopamine
06:26 <ct|kyle> how is job hunting going Lucifer
06:26 <Vanhayes> if its anything like up here ot alot out there
06:27 <luke-jr> hmm
06:27 <luke-jr> supposedly caffeine withdrawl causes headaches
06:27  * ct|kyle gets it
06:27 <luke-jr> but for me it's mostly irritability
06:27 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: it does, but not much of a craving, only lasts a few weeks too
06:28 <ct|kyle> I get a headache which makes me irritable
06:28 <Lucifer> caffeine withdrawal does cause headaches
06:28 <Lucifer> you also lose huge amounts of energy
06:28 <Lucifer> I broke my caffeine addiction right before Christmas, it was hell
06:29 <Lucifer> for a few days, I could only stay awake for 8-10 hours, then I'd sleep for only 6
06:29 <ct|kyle> I need to find some alternative to soda
06:29 <Vanhayes> juice?
06:29 <luke-jr> think coffee extract has caffeine?
06:30 <Lucifer> http://recipes.howstuffworks.com/alcohol6.htm
06:30 <Lucifer> I've gone to a combination of juice and water at home, but still drink soda at work
06:30 <luke-jr> ah, they recommend caffeine-free pop to quit
06:30 <luke-jr> see, that's my problem
06:30 <Lucifer> but I don't get the caffeine headaches on the weekend (which is a sure sign of caffeine withdrawal), and I don't lose energy on the weekend
06:30 <luke-jr> I *hate* caffeine-free pop
06:30 <ct|kyle> ya me too
06:31 <Lucifer> just drink something else, like water :)
06:31 <luke-jr> I hate water.
06:31 <luke-jr> tastes like crap usually
06:31 <ct|kyle> it's almost like a diet soda in my opinion
06:31 <Lucifer> I wasn't trying to eliminate caffeine specifically, I was trying to seriously cut back on sugar
06:31 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: diet sodas are poisonous though
06:31 <ct|kyle> yes I know
06:31 <Vanhayes> only caffeine i used get was from coffee or energy drinks, never liked pop by itself
06:31 <Lucifer> regular sodas are poisonous, jeez
06:31 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you can die from regular sodas?
06:31 <Lucifer> yeah, caffeine can kill you :)
06:32 <luke-jr> >_<
06:32 <Lucifer> but killing you isn't all poisons can do
06:32 <Lucifer> look at all the crazy ingredients in sodas
06:32 <luke-jr> I'm out.
06:32 <luke-jr> closest thign i have now is coffee yogurt
06:32 <Lucifer> not to mention there's a lot of evidence that high fructose corn syrup correlates with ADHD and anxiety disorders
06:32 <luke-jr> which only lists a few
06:33 <luke-jr> pop has HFCS⁇
06:33 <Lucifer> yep
06:33 <ct|kyle> LOL luke-jr
06:33 <Lucifer> in fact, we have so much HFCS in american-made stuff because of the tariff on sugar
06:33 <ct|kyle> 2nd ingredient listed
06:33 <Vanhayes> what is hfcs?
06:33 <Lucifer> the tariff on sugar, of course, is supported by the corn lobby, the same group that supported ethanol made from corn
06:33 <ct|kyle> that's the reasoning for it
06:33 <Lucifer> Vanhayes: high fructose corn syrup
06:34 <Vanhayes> ya, just realized that after i typed it heh
06:34 <luke-jr> dare I quit pop?
06:34 <Lucifer> some sodas have actual dyes that have evidence to support causing hyperactivity on their own
06:34 <Lucifer> then you add hfcs and caffeine to it....
06:34 <Lucifer> luke-jr: yes, dare you :)
06:34 <Lucifer> get fruit juices, and when you get hungry (which you will), eat celery or something
06:34 <ct|kyle> Yellow #5 is bad for allergies
06:35 <Lucifer> better yet, get one of those fancy juicers and make juice directly from fruits :)
06:35 <sinewav> tea ftw
06:35  * Lucifer wants to do that again, heh
06:35 <Lucifer> sinewav: I quit drinking tea to cut out most of the sugar in my diet
06:35 <ct|kyle> ya that is fun when weather is warmer
06:35 <Lucifer> which is why I had to break the caffeine addiction....
06:36 <Vanhayes> some teas have the equal to coffee for caffeine
06:36 <luke-jr> tea and coffee are very similar
06:36 <Lucifer> Vanhayes: depends entirely on how you brew it, I brewed it very weak, but then drank several pitchers a day
06:36 <Lucifer> the sugar was almost certainly worse for me than the caffeine, it's just that the one went with the other
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06:37 <luke-jr> MrBougo: CAFFEINE
06:37 <MrBougo> luke-jr, DO YOU WANT SOME SUGAR?
06:37 <ct|kyle> brewing it weak may make it taste better w/o a lot of sugar
06:37 <luke-jr> MrBougo: LUCIFER DOES
06:37 <luke-jr> wait
06:37 <MrBougo> OK, HERE'S SOME SUGAR, LUCIFER
06:37 <luke-jr> you can add sugar to tea?
06:37 <MrBougo> uh why not
06:37 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: are you sheltered
06:38  * Lucifer quietly notes he lives in the old south
06:38 <Vanhayes> i never used to put sugar in coffee or tea, just a little cream
06:38 <luke-jr> no wonder I'm like the only one who hates tea
06:38 <luke-jr> >_<
06:38 <MrBougo> eh
06:38 <Lucifer> tea without sugar is nasty
06:38 <ct|kyle> yes
06:38 <Vanhayes> depends on the tea
06:38 <MrBougo> I heard some weird teas don't need sugar
06:38 <Lucifer> but beware what happens if you take in too much sucrose
06:38 <Lucifer> it can cause diabetes
06:38  * Vanhayes usually drank green tea
06:39 <luke-jr> do they make purple tea?
06:39 <Vanhayes> think it had "natural" sweeteners tho
06:39  * Lucifer quit drinking sucrose because he was showing too many symptoms of diabetes, but couldn't see a doctor
06:39 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: the only natural sweeteners are sugar and something else
06:39 <Vanhayes> why couldnt you see a doctor?
06:39 <Lucifer> Vanhayes: no money, no insurance
06:39 <akira_arma> wow..
06:39 <luke-jr> Lucifer: just don't pay them
06:39 <Lucifer> luke-jr: hard to do when they ask for payment in advance if you don't have insurance
06:40 <Vanhayes> oh ya, forgot about the insurance thing
06:40 <akira_arma> 2003 around 40% of our population was smoking
06:40 <akira_arma> germany..
06:40 <MrBougo> ew, no insurance
06:40 <Vanhayes> how much is insurance roughly there?
06:40 <Lucifer> I found a quote a few months back for $80/month
06:40 <Lucifer> not a terribly good plan, but it would get me what I needed
06:40 <ct|kyle> I'm so glad obama is raising federal loans for students, cause colleges are now increasing their  rates
06:40 <Lucifer> problem was, I didn't have $80/month
06:41 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: colleges aren't worth half what they cost
06:41 <Vanhayes> in alberta you had to pay up until this year but i think it was around 400 a year, not sure
06:41 <ct|kyle> I know
06:41 <Lucifer> my college might turn out to be worth quite a bit, heh
06:41 <luke-jr> Lucifer: yeah, it's worth stuff
06:41 <Vanhayes> I just lied and said it was less than 3 months since i moved to alberta so my N.B was still valid
06:41  * Lucifer isn't sure yet, but it appears that a girl in a class is actually making moves his direction
06:41 <luke-jr> but as far as education, it's a waste of time
06:42 <ct|kyle> heck, my tech department at mine decided the only way to create a new hash was to put it in the change password
06:42 <Lucifer> she's studying physics, and she's a programmer
06:42 <ct|kyle> not check for it upon login
06:42 <luke-jr> sounds like a good addition to Armagetron
06:42 <Lucifer> might be, dunno yet
06:43 <Lucifer> she doesn't know OOP quite yet, that's what she needs help with
06:43 <luke-jr> C++ OOP is pissing me off
06:43 <Lucifer> may also just be a friendly girl, we'll have to see, heh
06:43 <luke-jr> Perl OOP is so much nicer
06:43 <Lucifer> there is nothing nice about perl
06:43 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: the degree is worth more than the actual education most times
06:43 <Lucifer> come on, man, come to the real world
06:43 <luke-jr> I can have 'new foobar' return a new instance of class 'barbaz' ;p
06:43 <Lucifer> how is that nice?
06:44 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: that's not what i'd worry about
06:44 <luke-jr> Lucifer: see z-man's oopsie earlier
06:44 <Lucifer> if you read the line with new foobar in it, you expect you'll have an instance of foobar, wouldn't you?
06:45 <luke-jr> Lucifer: which might just be an instance of barbaz with some initial stuff changed
06:45 <luke-jr> no need to keep the foobar info around later
06:45 <Vanhayes> anyways i think with the job market as it is, i might just go to 1st year school and draw my EI
06:45 <Lucifer> do it, meet girls, have fun ;)
06:45  * Lucifer wishes he was taking classes this semester
06:46 <Vanhayes> ya, from what people have told me about 1st year is that all they really teach that you wouldnt learn the first few months on the job is asbestoes removal
06:46 <luke-jr> wtf is that
06:47 <Vanhayes> plus my union pays for it plus there is a 1000 dollar gov grant
06:47 <Lucifer> we don't have to worry about asbestos removal, it's already been done
06:47 <Vanhayes> wtf is what?
06:47 <luke-jr> asbestos
06:47 <Vanhayes> Lucifer: you would be surprised where it turns up
06:47 <Lucifer> here, how much you learn in the first year depends on too many things
06:47 <Lucifer> there's no standard course plan you must take
06:47 <Vanhayes> but ya most is gone, we just have to take it because its mandatory
06:48 <Lucifer> so, for me, I learned a fair bit in the first year because I took some classes I already knew, and other classes I didn't know
06:48 <Vanhayes> ya I was thinking about taking one or two more courses with it, dont know if I'll have the time though, classes are 8 hours a day
06:49 <Vanhayes> plus then id have to pay for them as well
06:49 <Lucifer> then just take the free stuff, heh
06:49 <Vanhayes> I guess it would depend on how much i get from EI for it, max is 1500 a month
06:49 <Lucifer> the other thing is, here anyway, if you finished high school with rudimentary writing and math skills, you learn a lot in your first year
06:49 <Lucifer> because you have to make up the difference
06:50 <Lucifer> and everybody has to take Comp 1, a certain amount of college level math, history, and government
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06:50 <Vanhayes> my math and writing were average, though my actual hand writing looks like a 10 year olds
06:50 <Lucifer> so if you start the year already knowing your way through US history, have good writing skills, and are already familiar with US and TX government, and have advanced math skills,
06:50 <Vanhayes> no matter how I try, just cant get these fingers to do any better
06:50 <Lucifer> you could take classes, get straight As, and not learn a damn thing
06:51 <Vanhayes> did they teach a fair amount of TX gov/ history there in high school?
06:51 <Lucifer> some of that happened to me
06:51 <Lucifer> well, I finished high school in new mexico, so I didn't know anything about TX government
06:51 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: that's how I feel
06:51 <Lucifer> I learned a lot in that class :)
06:52 <Vanhayes> because for some reason they taught more US history than N.B
06:52 <ct|kyle> I don't learn much, but usualy get an A
06:52 <Lucifer> I took all US history for my history credits, there aren't many other choices
06:52 <Vanhayes> i meant do they teach lots of state/local history in high school
06:52 <Lucifer> well, canadian and US history are the same until about 1776
06:52 <Lucifer> after that we share a lot of history anyway, we're neighbors
06:53 <Vanhayes> true
06:53 <Lucifer> I don't know what they teach in TX high schools, just that my ex finished high school and was borderline illiterate and didn't know any math beyond basic arithmetic
06:53 <Vanhayes> ouch
06:53 <Lucifer> I finished high school with an education a bit advanced of what they actually teach
06:54 <Lucifer> I don't think we had a NM history class at all, but we had a year of world history (i.e. european history) and a year of US history
06:54 <Lucifer> I took a college-level US history class
06:54 <Lucifer> I think GodTodd (hi there!) was in that class with me
06:54 <Lucifer> hell, we may have been in world history together too
06:55 <Lucifer> government was only a semester, and it was federal government
06:55 <Vanhayes> ya they taught quite a bit of world history in our modern history class
06:55 <Lucifer> economics was the other half of that class
06:55 <ct|kyle> So do standardized test measure anything?
06:55 <Lucifer> my favorite history class was world history in the fifth grade
06:55 <Lucifer> we actually talked about world history, and the teacher was hot
06:56 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: yeah, how good you are at taking standardized tests
06:56 <ct|kyle> I'm not very good at them
06:56 <Vanhayes> some people can ace them, and not know much about what its on
06:57 <Lucifer> it's about elimination :)
06:57 <ct|kyle> I don't see how they can measure reading skills, Math on the other hand I can see it sometimes being a good measure
06:57 <Lucifer> in a math problem, first eliminate the answers that don't have the right order of magnitude :)
06:57 <Vanhayes> ya, alot of answers are in the questions
06:57 <ct|kyle> they now have fill in the blank math
06:57 <Lucifer> well, by timing the test and asking comprehension questions, they can get a good idea how well you can read
06:57 <Lucifer> the only problem is, if you have good scanning skills, you don't have to read the selection at all
06:58 <Lucifer> just scan the answers out
06:58 <Vanhayes> reading is mostly your level of comprehesion i think
06:58 <Lucifer> that's what I always did
06:58 <ct|kyle> but what you take from a reading may be totally different than what I take from a reading
06:58 <Vanhayes> the test that is
06:58 <Lucifer> the standardized test leaves no room for "what you take"
06:59 <Lucifer> there is one right answer to every question, and you have to find it
06:59 <Lucifer> at least, that was what they were like when I was taking them
06:59 <Lucifer> mind you, I haven't taken a standardized test since 1993
06:59 <Lucifer> unless you count the assessment test when I started up at ACC
06:59 <Vanhayes> ya, the oppisite of what you would see in real life where there are usually 100s of answers to the question and they can all be right
07:00 <Lucifer> but that's not a state/government standardized test, it's just an assessment to determine what math/english you need before you can take college level math/english
07:00 <ct|kyle> I really don't think they have changed much, one thing I usualy don't do when reading is pay attention to all the junk details, and then they ask for that
07:00 <Lucifer> scan for those, man
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07:00 <ct|kyle> when the reading is long, it takes so dam long
07:01 <Lucifer> no it doesn't, heh
07:01 <Lucifer> "What color shirt was Ken wearing?"
07:01 <Lucifer> grep "ken"
07:01 <ct|kyle> although, I think my reading has improved quite a bit since I took one of them
07:01 <Lucifer> obviously you don't have grep available to you, but you get the idea, skim for it
07:01 <ct|kyle> my grep is not very efficent
07:01 <Vanhayes> i usually just looked at the answers first, then work my way back scanning for the important parts
07:01 <Lucifer> exactly
07:01 <Lucifer> oftentimes you can eliminate a few answers
07:02 <Lucifer> what color was his shirt?  Well, I'll cross out "steel" and "sandy beach", because the other choices are "red" and "blue"
07:02 <ct|kyle> most likely because the story was stupid and I could care less by the time the qiestion is aske
07:02 <Lucifer> I loved multiplication on the SAT
07:02 <Lucifer> 10*45 =
07:02 <Lucifer> a) 450
07:02 <Lucifer> b) 4500
07:02 <Lucifer> c) 23
07:02 <Lucifer> d) 10000
07:03 <Lucifer> well, 10*10 is 100, so the correct answer has 3 digits in it
07:03 <ct|kyle> I don't think they have any problems that basic on it
07:03 <Vanhayes> canada doesnt have any equivelent of SATs i dont think
07:03 <Lucifer> they did when I was doing it
07:03 <Lucifer> it's not that the problems are basic, it's that they give you 150 of them and you have to answer all of them in 60 minutes
07:03 <ct|kyle> math levels have really increased a lot over the years
07:04 <Lucifer> when I took it, there were 3 math sections, and one of them was speed arithmetic
07:04 <Vanhayes> then there is always the golden rule, When in doubt go with C
07:04 <Lucifer> 150 relatively simple arithmetic problems, 60 minutes
07:04 <ct|kyle> I don't remember a speed on for mine
07:04 <Lucifer> #math calc 150/60
07:04 <armabot> Lucifer: 2.5
07:04 <ct|kyle> I hardly remember it
07:04 <Lucifer> so you had to do 2.5 problems per minute
07:04 <Lucifer> that's the only section I remember on mine, because I sat across from my friend's girlfriend and she didn't finish that section and I did
07:05 <Lucifer> (she finished 149 problems and guessed on the last one when the proctor called time)
07:05 <Lucifer> and she was hot, too
07:06 <ct|kyle> of course she was, everything you remember has someone Hot in it :P
07:06 <Lucifer> heh
07:06 <ct|kyle> mine I was the only person in the room
07:07 <ct|kyle> I qualified for extended time
07:07 <ct|kyle> so I was there from like 8Am to 2 PM
07:07 <Lucifer> how do you qualify for extended time?
07:07 <Lucifer> add or something?
07:07  * Lucifer and the friend's hot girlfriend raced on every section and swore it wasn't a competition
07:08 <Vanhayes> add 20$ to the examiner
07:08 <ct|kyle> I've always been a bit behind in reading
07:08 <Lucifer> I've always wondered about that
07:08 <Lucifer> I mean, not you specifically
07:08 <Lucifer> when I was younger, before I figured out how to take reading tests, I always scored as behind
07:09 <Lucifer> but I've been a bit of a bookworm for most of my life, at least until I got married
07:09 <Lucifer> it wasn't that I was behind ever, it was that the reading selections were boring and below my level and I didn't want to waste my time with them
07:10  * Lucifer has a very low opinion of standardized tests
07:10 <ct|kyle> I think the boring part was always a problem for me, but I also struggled in vocabulary
07:10 <Vanhayes> same thing happened with me, except it wasnt with reading only, most of the stuff they taught bored the hell out of me, so i did most of it half assed if that
07:10 <Lucifer> hmmm, I was always ahead of the curve in vocabulary and spelling, because I read so much
07:11 <Lucifer> hell, one of the reasons my marriage broke down was because I was tired of having to limit myself to an 8th grade vocabulary so my wife could understand me and quit doing that
07:11 <ct|kyle> I think according to their  tests I was reading at a 4.5 grade level in 7th grade
07:11 <Vanhayes> the teachers reccomended i get tested for a learning disability, I took an IQ test and scored 119 when i was in grade 6
07:11 <Lucifer> since she subsequently stopped understanding what I said and always took anything I said that she didn't understand as a personal insult, things started to degenerate a bit
07:12 <Lucifer> hmmm, I got my head wrapped around the tests I was taking in the third grade
07:12 <Lucifer> so starting in the fourth grade, I scored well above my grade level in reading
07:12 <Lucifer> mind you, this would have been like 24 years ago, and tests have almost definitely changed
07:13 <ct|kyle> I've always been extremely high on math portion
07:13 <ct|kyle> and just a few points from passing in reading
07:13 <Lucifer> I've only taken two IQ tests, and the one I took when I was 15 I scored 149
07:13 <Vanhayes> if the teachers see that you arent doing well, they usually chalk it up to you having a disablity, not that you are bored or need help with one thing
07:13 <Lucifer> the other one I took 6 years ago and scored 135, but it was a free internet test ;)
07:13 <Lucifer> I always thought my disability was the broken school system
07:14 <Lucifer> also, you guys grew up in an environment where mental/learning disabilities translate directly into more money for schools
07:14 <Vanhayes> im not sure how much faith i put in those, they dont really tell you how smart you are, just your potential according to them
07:15 <Lucifer> wel, it's supposed to be "you have the brain function of a person <this age>.  So your IQ is (<brain function age>/<calendar age>) * 100"
07:15 <ct|kyle> my 5th grade teacher, split our class into 2 math groups. the one had almost a full year of geometry, the other had all algebra
07:15 <Vanhayes> true, there were a tonne of kids with "ADHD"
07:15  * Lucifer thinks they should split kids up based on where they're at and teach classes dedicated to them
07:15 <Vanhayes> what they called ADHD I call a little hyper
07:15 <Lucifer> quit holding kids back that want to advance, and quit forcing kids forward that are struggling
07:16 <Lucifer> below about 23 years old, I'm willing to call ADHD "just another symptom of being a kid"
07:16 <Lucifer> my grades improved when I finally took harder classes
07:16 <Lucifer> but only in those classes that were harder :)
07:17 <ct|kyle> that is basically how she divided us, the advanced were in algebra and lower were in geometry, but the the problem was some kids in geometry were ready to advance but they were not up to the Algebra level that we go ti
07:17 <Vanhayes> sociology was probably the hardest for me, mostly because of all the essays, but it was actual really interesting
07:17 <Lucifer> no sociology for me
07:18  * Vanhayes hates to write/type essays
07:18 <Vanhayes> hurts the fingers
07:18 <Lucifer> algebra I was my hardest class, but mostly because of social reasons
07:18 <Lucifer> the teacher's son was also my personal nemesis
07:18 <ct|kyle> heh
07:19 <Lucifer> when we were in the eighth grade, I was walking by and his girlfriend yelled "You ahve a great ass!"
07:19 <Lucifer> I blew it off
07:19 <Lucifer> when I was walking back the other way (going back to where my friends were), he was there wanting to fight
07:19 <Vanhayes> anyways, the best way I found was to do all my work/homework in class then just coast by once I realized i didnt want to go to university
07:19 <Lucifer> I told him "Look, I'm not responsible for what she says, and I'm not interested in her"
07:19 <Lucifer> he still wanted to fight
07:19 <Lucifer> he hated me for that for all the time after that
07:19 <Lucifer> and then the next year he was in my algebra I class with his father as the teacher
07:20 <Lucifer> his dad was actually really cool, and in class the kid was cool, but out of class, he wasn't
07:20 <Vanhayes> petty, immature thing, sounds like grade 8
07:20 <Lucifer> yeah, but he carried it to grade 12
07:20 <Lucifer> of course, at that point karma came back and bit him on the ass
07:20 <Lucifer> he and his girlfriend were in my chem class
07:20 <Lucifer> and whenever she needed help, or any of their friends, they asked me, and I helped them
07:21 <Lucifer> and every time, he would give me shit about it
07:21 <Lucifer> she got enough of it, finally, and broke up with him
07:21 <Lucifer> he never got nice to me, but after that, he avoided me and couldn't meet my eyes anymore
07:21 <ct|kyle> heh
07:21 <Vanhayes> ha
07:21 <Lucifer> one of the things she said to him in class was "Even with all of your abuse, he still comes over to help.  That's a nice guy."
07:22 <ct|kyle> let me guess she was hot also
07:22 <Vanhayes> ah, but we all know where nice guys finish
07:22 <Lucifer> yeah, she was
07:22 <Lucifer> she played the trumpet, too
07:22 <Lucifer> I admit I had a crush on her for all those years
07:22 <Lucifer> but she was "popular" and I was a "dork"
07:23 <Lucifer> Vanhayes: yeah, we end up divorced from psycho women
07:24 <Lucifer> I'm a go grab a smoke, heh
07:25 <ct|kyle> I thought you quit
07:26 <Lucifer> I did, for a day and a half :/
07:26 <Lucifer> then, all brain fuzzled, I put my cell phone through the washer when I was expecting a call
07:27 <Lucifer> my phone survived, but it took a few days before it was clearly going to make it
07:27 <Lucifer> but the day the phone went into the washer, I relapsed
07:28 <Vanhayes> I could never go cold turkey when i quit, just switched to prime times and the like slowly cuting down untill i didnt have any
07:29 <Vanhayes> lasted about 5 months without one, then got a new foreman and two days with him I either needed to smoke or needed to punch him in the head untill he stopped moving
07:30 <Vanhayes> the guy had every thing in a person I hated
07:30 <ct|kyle> I never started, so I don't have to try to quick
07:30 <Vanhayes> never met anyone I had such a mutual hatred for so quickly
07:31 <Vanhayes> Id avoid it if I were you, no real benifit after a few weeks
07:31 <Vanhayes> by benifit i mean the nicotine buzz you get for a while untill you build up a tolerence
07:35 <Lucifer> smoking takes over your life like any other drug addiction
07:37 <ct|kyle> I really should try quitting soda, that is my only caffeine intake
07:37 <Vanhayes> heh "soda"
07:38 <ct|kyle> I don't know, soda seams better to type than pop
07:38 <ct|kyle> if I'm saying it I'll say pop
07:38 <Vanhayes> ya i know,  itss weird how somethings are said differently even in the same country
07:39 <Vanhayes> alberta was soda, NB is pop
07:39 <Vanhayes> like how you guys say *th grade and we say grade 8
07:39 <Vanhayes> 8th*
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07:39 <ct|kyle> y8th grade
07:40 <ct|kyle> 8th*
07:40 <Vanhayes> well any grade usually, 2nd grade grade 2, 12th grade grade 12 etc
07:41 <Vanhayes> from my limited experience most americans say it that way, canadians the other
07:42 <luke-jr> Lucifer: what about when they give you the reading and questions seperately?
07:42 <Lucifer> luke-jr: that's never happened to me
07:42 <ct|kyle> I've heard it both ways, but it is dormant as 8th grade or w/e
07:43 <Vanhayes> ya same here, ive heard 8th grade but mostly its grade 8
07:44 <Vanhayes> even in a border town like callus, its 8th south of the river, grade 8 north
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07:49 <luke-jr> O.o joda_bot
07:49 <joda_bot> hi luke-jr
07:50 <luke-jr> hi
07:50 <ct|kyle> o0 joda_bot
07:50 <luke-jr> ltns
07:50 <ct|kyle> he is back and I have not went to bed yet
07:50 <joda_bot> lol :-)
07:50 <luke-jr> he was here before?
07:50 <ct|kyle> yes
07:51 <joda_bot> yeah, I entered silently :-) I did not want to distrub anyone :-)
07:51 <joda_bot> disturb
07:51 <luke-jr> joda_bot: are you just quiet? I thoguht you were gone for months
07:51 <joda_bot> I was gone for month :-)
07:51 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: grep some logs
07:54 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: NO
07:54 <Vanhayes> harsh
07:54 <Lucifer> Vanhayes: HARSH
07:55 <luke-jr> Lucifer: is there a way to turn off this music when it starts annoying me?
07:55 <Lucifer> luke-jr: unplug your speaker
07:56 <Lucifer> actually, there is, bind a key to the "stop" button
07:56 <Lucifer> you can't turn off the intro/ui music yet, I don't think
07:56 <luke-jr> sigh
07:56 <luke-jr> Lucifer: also, the zone sound trigger things are buggy
07:56 <Lucifer> you could replace the sound files with empty wav files
07:56 <luke-jr> they access the invalid pos attribute
08:00 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: have you found the splash screen yet
08:04 <ct|kyle> I'll find out later
08:04 <ct|kyle> #night
08:04 <armabot> Good night ct|kyle!
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08:26 <Vanhayes> #night
08:26 <armabot> Good night Vanhayes!
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12:48 <armabot> armagetronad:  r9056 | bazaarmagetron | 2009-02-25 23:40:00 +0100 (Wed, 25 Feb 2009) | 2 lines
12:48 <armabot> armagetronad:  Manuel Moos: Translated new language items so no smartass reopens the 'translation not complete' bug :)
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12:48 <armabot> armagetronad:  r9055 | bazaarmagetron | 2009-02-25 23:39:17 +0100 (Wed, 25 Feb 2009) | 2 lines
12:55 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9058 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Made clear unknown methods are an internal error.
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13:22 <armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r853 Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 9044 to 9056:... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1074 Made clear unknown methods are an internal error....
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14:51 <epsy> does armabot have to tell me something?
14:51 <epsy> yep, ty wrtlprnft
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15:31 <armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1075 Fixed unescaping of what becomes of \_ or, in fact any ...
15:34 <epsy> mm armatraitors
15:34 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9059 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp):
15:34 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
15:34 <armabot> armagetronad: Fixed unescaping of what becomes of \_ or, in fact any
15:34 <armabot> armagetronad: \<special character>, during escaping.
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16:03 <epsy> heh, just tried logging in to quakelive
16:04 <epsy> You are 15799 in the waiting queue.
16:04 <epsy> th*
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16:35 <armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1076 Removed obsolete rendering code and restored adaption of nea...
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18:01 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9060 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/eDisplay.cpp): Manuel Moos: Removed obsolete rendering code and restored adaption of near clipping plane to close walls.
18:04 <epsy> gah
18:05 <epsy> why won't xchat rejoin all channels?
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18:12 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9061 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tools/tString.cpp): Manuel Moos: Backslash at the front of a read string now correctly escapes the following character.
18:14 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9062 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tools/tString.cpp): Manuel Moos: Now switched to the more standard and easier to escape reading method that turns \\ into \, \\\\ into \\ and so on.
18:16 <luke-jr> epsy: are you using +u?
18:22 <epsy> hm?
18:23 <epsy> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml doesn't list +u as usermode
18:23 <luke-jr> it's secret I guess
18:23 <epsy> +ei
18:23 <luke-jr> hum
18:23 <luke-jr> nto sure then
18:23 <epsy> and what does it do?
18:23 <luke-jr> +u allows more than 50 channels
18:24 <luke-jr> or 25 or whatever the usual limit is
18:24 <luke-jr> but you need to be identified for it to work
18:24 <epsy> this sound like a clonebot pit
18:24 <luke-jr> so autojoins can beat it if you use PRIVMSG identify
18:24 <luke-jr> only staff can set +u
18:24 <epsy> ah
18:25 <luke-jr> in that case, the solution is to identify before connecting
18:25 <luke-jr> via IRC password
18:26 <epsy> you can?
18:27 <luke-jr> yeah
18:32 <luke-jr> epsy: guess what I just did to zones :D
18:38 <epsy> #armacommits
18:39 <armabot> epsy: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1076 Removed obsolete rendering code and restored adaption of nea... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1075 Fixed unescaping of what becomes of \_ or, in fact any ... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r853 Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 9044 to 9056:... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1074 Made clear unknown methods are an internal error.... || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] (5 more messages)
18:39 <epsy> #more
18:39 <armabot> epsy: r899 export settings from zShape || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r898 ZONE_SEG_LENGTH and tPolynomial sync || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r897 export sg_zoneSegments properly (zv1) || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r896 link zFortress into _main, so the linker wont discard it || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r895 a tPolynomial protobuf sync for segments :D || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r894 reinstate (4 more messages)
18:39 <epsy> cube zones?
18:44 <armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1078 Now switched to the more standard and easier to escape readi... || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r900 AddToList in the non-network constructor, to fix servers || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1077 Backslash at the front of a read string now correctly escape...
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18:49 <armabot> lpbugs: [335027] SPAM_MAXLEN shouldn't be group Cheating <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/335027> || [335019] Two phasing events in one round <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/335019>
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19:00 <luke-jr> epsy: not quite
19:01 <luke-jr> epsy: I made zone segments, segment length, bottom, and height network-changable
19:01 <luke-jr> which means they can become shape attributes in map files
19:01 <epsy> ah right
19:02 <luke-jr> I'm so close to finishing the v1v2 branch
19:02 <luke-jr> now the only thing left is the classic timed win/death zone
19:03 <luke-jr> and actually deleting gWinZone.*
19:12 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: cool, I was going to sugest that
19:12 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: ?
19:12 <ct|kyle> making zone segments, segment length, bottom, and height network-changeable
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19:48 <armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r901 reinstate ZONE_BOTTOM and ZONE_HEIGHT, again with tPolynomia...
19:59 <epsy> argghhh not tPoneynominialle
20:08 <MrBougo> poneynomial?
20:13 <epsy> G5_, is your server still up?
20:13 <G5_> Sure
20:13 <G5_> All players left
20:13 <epsy> ah
20:13 <epsy> damn
20:14 <G5_> I can enter ... if u want me to
20:15 <epsy> bah, not now
20:16 <epsy> any bug _I_ need to watch?
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20:25 <BabyBug> \o
20:25 <ct|kyle> oi BabyBug
20:25 <BabyBug> oi ct|kyle
20:26 <epsy> hi
20:26 <epsy> hopefully I said that before she came :S
20:27 <BabyBug> Hellooo =)
20:28 <BabyBug> O.o?
20:30 <epsy> :O
20:30 <epsy> engine/eEvent.h:124: erreur: ‘nMessage’ has not been declared
20:30 <epsy> and it goes on like this forever hehe
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20:51 <smoothice> luke-jr: how's the fort thing coming
20:54 <luke-jr> smoothice: … ?
20:54 <luke-jr> I already told you fort works like a day or 2 ago
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21:20 <smoothice> luke-jr: I know, just checking on how it's going anyway
21:29 <epsy> one thing
21:30 <epsy> NEVER EVER lock your screen when updating pam
21:33 <luke-jr> smoothice: … it works
21:33 <luke-jr> eg, nothing left to do
21:33 <luke-jr> epsy: lulz
21:38 <epsy> wrtlprnft,
21:38 <epsy> Feb 25 15:10:14 Error: Error in static void nMessage::SendCollected(int) in network/nNetwork.cpp:2064 :
21:38 <epsy> Feb 25 15:10:14         Invalid peer!
21:38 <epsy> Feb 25 15:10:14
21:38 <epsy> -- --- Server ended regularily, restarting!
21:38 <epsy> -- --- Server died with return code 0, not restarting
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21:54 <armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r902 port timed win/death zone to zones v2...
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22:07 <smoothice> luke-jr: should I erase 0.3-armagetronad-sty-zones-v2 and recreate it as a branch of luke-jr/armagetronad/armagetronad-zones-v1v2
22:21 <luke-jr> probably, once I'm done testing my last commit
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22:27 <smoothice> luke-jr: k
22:28 <luke-jr> as half expected, it's bugged
22:28 <smoothice> k
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22:32 <epsy> aw
22:33 <epsy> no ε¦×¦ for epsy
22:33 <fonkay> Lucifer: Me too. Looking for advise, but obviously in the wrong place.
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22:35 <guru3> http://guru3.net/greenroof/
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22:43 <luke-jr> epsy: ?
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22:48 <joda_bot> guru3: no realtime display :D
22:48 <joda_bot> guru3: but nice art work and concept :D
22:49 <guru3> it's mainly artwork on there
22:49 <guru3> the realtime display is still under development
22:50 <joda_bot> ah ok :D
22:50 <guru3> i was just asking for opinions on the art
22:50 <guru3> and design in general
22:50 <guru3> seems to have turned out ok
22:51 <joda_bot> nice art :D
22:51 <joda_bot> I like it
22:52 <guru3> cool
22:52 <guru3> now just to flush the whole thing out over the next couple weeks
22:52 <guru3> then write up my final report
22:52 <guru3> and prepare a presentation
22:52 <guru3> and then my dissertation will be done
22:53  * joda_bot bows to guru3 :D
22:53 <joda_bot> Dr. guru of 3 ?
22:53 <guru3> actually this is just my bachelors dissertation
22:53 <guru3> it litterally is jus the website
22:53 <guru3> *just
22:53 <joda_bot> ah ok :-)
22:54 <Lucifer> fonkay: http://whyquit.org
22:54 <joda_bot> It's not just any website :-)
22:54 <guru3> yeah
22:54 <guru3> dissertation -_-
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22:54 <joda_bot> It's a good looking website :-) and you get a bachelor for it :D
22:55 <guru3> don't be fooled by the cartooniness, there is actually science behind it
22:55 <guru3> someplace
22:56 <joda_bot> I thought so, but science well visualised and probably with a nice explanation :-)
22:56 <guru3> well, i don't know how much explanation will go on the site
22:56 <guru3> but there'll be a bunch in my written bit
22:59 <armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r903 move initial gParserState.push() to constructor where it bel...
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23:11 <epsy> damn youtube
23:11 <epsy> exceeding comment length
23:17 <smoothice> luke-jr: so the latest 0.2.8 client fixes the trunk bug
23:17 <luke-jr> I think so.
23:20 <smoothice> luke-jr: yep... w00t
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23:41 <epsy> darn, I always loose that bluetooth dongle
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