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Log from 2009-02-25:
--- Day changed Wed Feb 25 2009
00:01 <noob13> #tea
00:01 <armabot> noob13: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
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00:07 <smoothice> #nwers
00:07 <armabot> smoothice: This data is 29 seconds old: Ralf~NW@SPACEZONE I [HIGH SPEED!!] (4/8)
00:10 <smoothice> #si -v F!ght Dodgeball
00:10 <armabot> smoothice: F!ght Dodgeball (68.38.115.56:4534) running CVS win dedicated, url: http://www.fight-clan.wwwd.name, Description: “The Fight Arena is a variable settings server. Come, check it out, you'll probably have fun!“, Players (3/16): (+43), bunk, M!K3Y
00:10 <smoothice> luke-jr: CVS win dedicated?
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01:29 <luke-jr> smoothice: what?
01:29 <smoothice> #si -v F!ight Dodgeball
01:29 <armabot> smoothice: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “f!ight dodgeball” at the moment, sorry.
01:29 <smoothice> #si -v F!ght Dodgeball
01:29 <armabot> smoothice: F!ght Dodgeball (68.38.115.56:4534) running CVS win dedicated, url: http://www.fight-clan.wwwd.name, Description: “The Fight Arena is a variable settings server. Come, check it out, you'll probably have fun!“, Players (0/16):
01:29 <smoothice> CVS win dedicated?
01:29 <smoothice> luke-jr: ???
01:29 <luke-jr> and this has what to do with me?
01:29 <smoothice> I don't know
01:29 <luke-jr> …
01:30 <smoothice> what is cvs win dedicated
01:30 <luke-jr> no clue
01:32 <luke-jr> likely an ancient CVS windows build
01:33 <luke-jr> Google says an ancient CTF sty
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01:44 <Flex> #ls viper
01:44 <armabot> Flex: ~w~ Viper has last been seen on  Wild West  =Sumo= 1 hour 58 minutes ago.
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07:27 <BabyBug> \o
07:41 <Lucifer> o/
07:42  * ct|kyle slaps BabyBug
07:42 <BabyBug> =(
07:42 <BabyBug> Ahhhhh Lucifer =D
07:43 <BabyBug> Are you still wanting help with that php app thing?
07:43 <Lucifer> sure, except that I've currently got the presentation layer tore open, heh
07:44 <BabyBug> tore?
07:44 <Lucifer> I decided to quit thinking about yui and go ahead and start using it, but I don't want to write javascript, and I don't want the app logic stuff to write xhtml of any kind
07:44 <Lucifer> so I started working on a widget set where you do all the programming in php, and it outputs the necessary xhtml/css/javascript to do its thing
07:45 <Lucifer> maybe "torn" is the better word
07:45 <Lucifer> think of open heart surgery ;)
07:45 <BabyBug> oo.. lol
07:46 <BabyBug> Well erm, i've got my gf staying over this week...Sooo i can't really help until next week anywhoo
07:47 <Lucifer> heh, I was wondering why you'd disappeared, that's *not* normal behavior for you
07:47 <Lucifer> ko, well check with me next week and we'll see where I'm at ;)
07:47 <BabyBug> okies ^^
07:47 <Lucifer> and kiss her once for me ;)
07:48 <BabyBug> lol >.<
07:48  * BabyBug castrates ct|kyle
07:48 <BabyBug> That's for slapping me
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09:48 <Lucifer> #ping
09:48 <armabot> pong
10:16 <wrtlprnft> #ping3
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10:53 <Lucifer> luke-jr: see what you started?  :/
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11:21  * fonkay doesn't like the idea.
11:22 <Lucifer> you don't like the idea of self-appointed bigshots going around and randomly banning people?
11:22 <Lucifer> how can you not like that?
11:22 <fonkay> Not sure.... can't put my finger on the problem.
11:23 <fonkay> Something about power grabbing idiots... I think.
11:24 <Lucifer> well, I'm thinking that if the self-appointed moderators are decent, they'll do what the arbitrator that luke-jr was suggesting is supposed to do
11:24 <Lucifer> sorta
11:24 <Lucifer> first they'll go to a moderator and ask him to ban "this smeghead"
11:24 <Lucifer> the moderator, if s/he's any good, will attempt to arbitrate the problem
11:24 <fonkay> mod of a server?
11:24 <Lucifer> hopefully we'll have something where they'll ban both players if they can't agree
11:25 <Lucifer> well, no, more like a community moderator
11:25 <Lucifer> z-man threw the necessary anarchist component on it all, heh ;)
11:25 <fonkay> nah, still don't like it. Mostly because i don't think it will work.
11:25 <Lucifer> which will hopefully have the effect of castrating self-appointed moderators that aren't good, and letting the good ones float to the top
11:26 <Lucifer> I don't know, I think it could work, but whether or not it will depends on the moderators themselves
11:26 <fonkay> It sounds like a lot of effort to set up something that will fail.
11:26 <Lucifer> consider the perennial fortress problem, where newbies always get kicked
11:26 <Lucifer> if there were a few self-appointed moderators that will take action against people who kick newbies, then all the newbie-friendly fort servers could use their help
11:26 <Lucifer> now there's a tool to really help those guys out
11:27 <Lucifer> the safety net servers (aka "High Rubber") could all have their own couple of moderators that make sure nobody every seals anybody again
11:27 <fonkay> hehe
11:27 <Lucifer> if any global moderators appear, they'll hopefully be pretty fair in order to get that many different server admins to trust them
11:28 <Lucifer> and of course, the servers that don't buy into the system will collect all the smegheads
11:28 <Lucifer> which would hopefully encourage people to buy into the system
11:28 <Lucifer> where "buy" doesn't involve an exchange of cash, of course
11:28 <fonkay> I can't think of anyone who plays enough to be informed, but is also know to be very just.
11:29 <Lucifer> well, to arbitrate conflicts, you don't have to be just
11:29 <Lucifer> you only have to get the two players to listen to each other and quit spewing shit
11:29 <fonkay> things like this can't run by word of mouth.
11:29 <Lucifer> and anybody can do that.  "Treat each other like people or you both lose."
11:29  * fonkay still doesn't like it.
11:30 <Lucifer> not initially, no, it would need some noteable servers to jump in on the ground floor
11:30 <fonkay> but seeing as how I have to be going to work now. i can't sit and argue w/ you. Maybe later.
11:30 <Lucifer> clans that run multiple servers could use it, although they're probably alread mirroring user accounts across the servers
11:30 <Lucifer> heh, 'night
11:31 <fonkay> it's morning crazy burd.
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12:39 <Lizmatic> #later tell BabyBug PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME
12:39 <armabot> Lizmatic: The operation succeeded.
13:02 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r9042 /armagetronad/trunk/ (5 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:02 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 9024 to 9041:
13:02 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
13:02 <armabot> armagetronad:  r9041 | bazaarmagetron | 2009-02-24 20:41:19 +0100 (Tue, 24 Feb 2009) | 1 line
13:02 <armabot> armagetronad:  Manuel Moos: Removed idle kick from fortess sample politics; idle remove is more than enough.
13:02 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
13:02 <armabot> armagetronad:  r9040 | bazaarmagetron | 2009-02-24 20:40:35 +0100 (Tue, 24 Feb 2009) | 1 line
13:07 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9043 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
13:07 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
13:07 <armabot> armagetronad: Switched to utf8 as the encoding used for scrambling passwords and
13:07 <armabot> armagetronad: sending usernames to the authority.
13:07 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9044 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. NEWS): Manuel Moos: Updated.
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13:14 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r9045 /armagetronad/trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:14 <armabot> armagetronad: Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 9041 to 9044:
13:14 <armabot> armagetronad:  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
13:14 <armabot> armagetronad:  r9044 | bazaarmagetron | 2009-02-25 13:07:45 +0100 (Wed, 25 Feb 2009) | 2 lines
13:14 <armabot> armagetronad:  Manuel Moos: Updated.
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13:14 <armabot> armagetronad:  r9043 | bazaarmagetron | 2009-02-25 13:06:49 +0100 (Wed, 25 Feb 2009) | 4 lines
13:25 <armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r851 Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 9024 to 9041:... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1062 Updated.... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1061 Switched to utf8 as the encoding used for scrambling passwor...
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14:28 <armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r852 Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 9041 to 9044:...
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15:55 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9046 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt): Manuel Moos: Corrected lag variance setting help ID.
15:56 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9047 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/network/nSpamProtection.cpp): Manuel Moos: SPAM_MAXLEN can only be modified by the owner to prevent accidents.
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16:29 <luke-jr> <.<
16:31 <luke-jr> Lackadaisical: o hai
16:35 <armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1064 SPAM_MAXLEN can only be modified by the owner to prevent acc... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1063 Corrected lag variance setting help ID....
16:42 <luke-jr> when/if ph gets back, someone needs to lecture him on changing functions in ways that break prior use behind the scenes
16:42 <luke-jr> eg, OnEnter and the resource thing
16:42 <luke-jr> they should have been renamed at the very least
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17:04 <Pathetique> ugh this sucks.  I'm trying to delete an old time machine backup that's been used for like, a full year now.  And its taking forever to start deleting cause there's too much stuff.
17:05 <luke-jr> wtf is that?
17:05 <Pathetique> Time Machine?
17:05 <Pathetique> Its Leopard's automatic backup system.
17:05 <luke-jr> in large deletes, I rename it to like .tmp-deleting and then rm -rf that in the background
17:06 <Pathetique> LOL well
17:06 <luke-jr> Leopards aren't computers
17:06 <Pathetique> OS X Leopard :P
17:06 <luke-jr> …
17:06 <Pathetique> I already put the backup folder in the trash. 149.1 GB :S
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17:23 <armabot> lpbugs: [334389] Commands should not be subject to SPAM_MAXLEN <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/334389>
17:26 <Pathetique> That's a good one.
17:26 <Pathetique> That's been very frustrating for people in the past when they've accidentally set it to 20 instead of 200 or whatever.
17:39 <armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1066 Small typo.... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1065 Translated some more....
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17:51 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Pathetique/fortress/keepaway-0.1.6.aamap.xml: Resource by Pathetique
17:51 <Pathetique> lol
17:53 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Pathetique/fortress/closequarters-1.6.aamap.xml: Resource by Pathetique
17:55 <luke-jr> Pathetique: is it about to get spammy? :p
17:56 <Pathetique> lol I'm not going to upload all my revisions.
17:56 <Pathetique> For my sumo map I'm up to 0.2.4
17:56 <Pathetique> lol
17:59 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Pathetique/sumo/twozonesumo-0.2.0.aamap.xml: Resource by Pathetique
18:00 <luke-jr> Pathetique: PLEASE
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18:01 <luke-jr> hi G5
18:02 <G5> Hi
18:03 <luke-jr> yay
18:03 <luke-jr> one step closer to deleting zones v1
18:04 <G5> luke-jr: Anything special?
18:04 <luke-jr> ?
18:04 <G5> Cause you said "Hi" ..
18:05 <luke-jr> oh, not really
18:05 <luke-jr> just greeting
18:05 <luke-jr> wanna help me test zones v2 Fortress?
18:05 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/Pathetique/sumo/reverse_sumo-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by Pathetique
18:06 <luke-jr> while Pathetique keeps spamming me
18:06 <Pathetique> rofl
18:06 <luke-jr> Pathetique: I get a CC on each resource added :p
18:06 <G5> yeah, but later, pls. I want something to eat 1st
18:06 <luke-jr> Pathetique: but PLEASE, DO submit all revisions
18:06 <luke-jr> G5: no eating today
18:06 <Pathetique> lol!
18:06 <luke-jr> it's Ash Wednesday
18:07 <Pathetique> LOL that last one is missing a wall.
18:07 <G5> luke-jr: Good idea (looking down myself), but I'm hungry ...
18:08 <luke-jr> ]yandere start theme=twg
18:08 <ljrbot> The Worm Game is starting in 60 seconds! Please type "]yandere" to join.
18:08 <luke-jr> ☺
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18:08 <Pathetique> lololol
18:09 <ljrbot> We don't have enough players yet. We need at least 4 players to start a game. I'll wait for another 60 seconds. Please type "]yandere" to join.
18:09 <luke-jr> play
18:09 <Pathetique> I gotta jet to school now.
18:09 <Pathetique> lol
18:09 <luke-jr> meh
18:09 <Pathetique> bbl
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18:10 <ljrbot> There aren't enough players to start the Worm Game. Try again later.
18:14 <P4> #seen *hoop*
18:14 <armabot> P4: *hoop* could be hoop (2 weeks, 2 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes, and 29 seconds ago), hoop2 (21 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 4 minutes, and 27 seconds ago), hoop_tron (41 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 28 minutes, and 10 seconds ago), or hoop_ (1 year, 34 weeks, 4 days, 8 hours, 45 minutes, and 50 seconds ago)
18:14 <P4> #ping
18:14 <armabot> pong
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18:28 <BabyBug> \o
18:33 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9048 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/deutsch.txt): Manuel Moos: Translated some more.
18:35 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9049 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt): Manuel Moos: Small typo.
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18:38 <G5> luke-jr: Ok, here I am ... where is the server to test?
18:38 <luke-jr> Zones v2 Fortress for 0.2.8
18:42 <armabot> armacommits: [pb-zones-v1v2-fortress] r863 stop using deprecated stuff in zFortress || [pb-zones-v1v2-fortress] r862 implement (non-deprecated) [GS]etRotation{Speed,Acceleration... || [pb-zones-v1v2-fortress] r861 disable zones v1 is (zv2) fortress is enabled, since they ar... || [pb-zones-v1v2-fortress] r860 move deprecated zone methods to zZone || [pb-zones-v1v2-fortress] r859 move code for deprecated methods into .cpp
19:30 <armabot> lpbugs: [334473] (server-side) invisible restart/exec <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/334473> || [334471] Client function to invisibly reconnect <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/334471>
19:45 <luke-jr> ]later tell z-man why are 0.2.8->trunk merges via subversion?
19:45 <ljrbot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
19:46 <armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1069 Applied epsy's changes from https://bugs.launchpad.net/armag... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1068 Completed translation.... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1067 Updated IDs of some items.... || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r884 merge zones v2 fortress + protobuf || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2-fortress] r895 merge protobuf port || [pb-zones-v1v2-fortress] r864 using lastSync as new reference tim
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20:18 <Vanhayes> #tea
20:18 <armabot> Vanhayes: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “cafe” at the moment, sorry.
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20:50 <armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r885 ifdef some minimap code that wants zones v1 || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1070 Softcoded command help....
21:02 <Vanhayes> #tea
21:02 <armabot> Vanhayes: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “cafe” at the moment, sorry.
21:05 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9050 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt): Manuel Moos: Updated IDs of some items.
21:06 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9051 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/deutsch.txt): Manuel Moos: Completed translation.
21:07 <luke-jr> O.o
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21:08 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9052 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/french.txt):
21:08 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
21:08 <armabot> armagetronad: Applied epsy's changes from https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/0.2.8/+bug/312245/comments/3
21:09 <armabot> armagetronad: (Please use "./update.py --scm" from now before committing changes to
21:09 <armabot> armagetronad: this file to keep redunant untranslated strings out of bzr/svn.)
21:10 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9053 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Softcoded command help.
21:13 <Vanhayes> #tea
21:13 <armabot> Vanhayes: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “cafe” at the moment, sorry.
21:13 <Vanhayes> is fort cafe down?
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21:20 <Vanhayes> luke-jr: what the differences in the zones v2 fortress server?
21:20 <luke-jr> it's fortress
21:21 <Vanhayes> ya I can see that, just wondering what the differences in v1 and v2 of the zones are
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21:22 <luke-jr> Vanhayes: v2 zones can be polygons, mainly
21:22 <Vanhayes> ah, ok
21:28 <ct|kyle> and v2 can have specific settings
21:30 <Vanhayes> like sty ball and respawning, or more now?
21:31 <ct|kyle> no, you can have zones make you accel faster or collapse faster
21:31 <Vanhayes> cool, anyone using that in a server yet, or still in development?
21:32 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: So did you get it working with fortress then?
21:32 <ct|kyle> ed had a test server a while ago, but it still is a little crazy
21:32 <ct|kyle> I should probably try it out
21:33  * ct|kyle has not even made a map for it yet
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22:14 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: yeah
22:15 <luke-jr> afaik, there are no maps actually using Zones v2 yet
22:15 <luke-jr> no non-test maps*
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22:55 <armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1073 Translated new language items so no smartass reopens the 'tr... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1072 Added missing help entries.... || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r886 V1->V2 translator that doesnt work yet || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1071 Added items collected over the past months....
22:58 <nsh22> luke-jr: before i go posting something stupid, would a global moderator type  of armathentication be feasible?
22:58 <nsh22> like one that applys ban lists to any server with the armathentication on it?
23:03 <luke-jr> …
23:03 <luke-jr> that's what everyone's discussing
23:04 <fonkay> Lucifer: you get back on?
23:07 <luke-jr> where is z-man? :/
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23:14 <luke-jr> z-manuel: hi ☺
23:14 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: it's like he came on your request
23:14 <luke-jr> z-manuel: I wrote a translator for ZoneV1 -> ShapeCircle, but it doesn't seem to be used
23:15 <luke-jr> what do I need to do to make it translate input instead of output?
23:15 <z-manuel> Err, nothing :) Translators only produce output right now.
23:15 <luke-jr> :/
23:16 <z-manuel> But now that you mention it, I don't know a reason why they should not also work the other way.
23:16 <luke-jr> mind lending a hand? XD
23:16 <z-manuel> Apart from the fact that they receive a target version in the second argument which is not needed for transforming incoming messages.
23:16 <luke-jr> can't hurt tho
23:17 <z-manuel> Let me quickly check whether translators can be made handle input, too
23:17 <luke-jr> might be used in the future
23:17 <luke-jr> it may be desirable to use a seperate database for input than for output
23:17 <z-manuel> Well, hmm, definitely not for nNetObjects.
23:17 <z-manuel> Thing with them is, pre-protobuf uses a single descriptor ID for syncs.
23:18 <luke-jr> once it's protobuf-ified, it can then be translated?
23:18 <z-manuel> isn't zlib already an indirect dependency through libxml?
23:19 <z-manuel> Problem is, it can't be protobuf-ified without knowing the right message type.
23:19 <luke-jr> afaik, libxml doesn't depend on it, but it could
23:19 <luke-jr> either way, we didn't need the headers before
23:19 <luke-jr> z-manuel: it's already protobuf-ified…
23:19 <z-manuel> Yeah, it can be removed. right now, it was just for testing.
23:19 <luke-jr> and calls a constructor for the dummy ZoneV1 class
23:19 <luke-jr> which asserts false
23:20 <z-manuel> ah.
23:20 <z-manuel> Well, I'd just switch the dummy class ZoneV1 descriptor over to zShapeCircle
23:20 <z-manuel> and give zShapeCircle the required additional Read/WriteSync and constructor methods.
23:20 <luke-jr> hmm
23:21 <z-manuel> WriteSync can be empty.
23:21 <luke-jr> ok, I'll give that a shot
23:21 <luke-jr> btw, I merged everything back into the main zones-v1v2 branch
23:21 <luke-jr> and fortress is working
23:22 <z-manuel> groovy.
23:23 <z-manuel> Basically, I'll merge it whenever you think it's ready.
23:23 <nsh22> ok, hopefully i dont get a public stoning for my stupid post....
23:23  * z-manuel readies his stone basket before reading it
23:23 <luke-jr> z-manuel: ok, I plan to reinstate all the zones v1 settings first
23:23 <luke-jr> just finished with ZONE_ALPHA_TOGGLE
23:23 <nsh22> lol
23:24 <z-manuel> I just wanted to ask about those :)
23:25 <luke-jr> might add some more too
23:25 <luke-jr> like that sg_segments thing I keep seeing hacked in
23:25 <luke-jr> no reason that shouldn't be a map setting
23:26 <luke-jr> but that is a little outside the scope of my branch
23:27 <z-manuel> isn't there a segments setting on the v1 zones? Or do you mean a different setting?
23:27 <z-manuel> And yes, settings like that should ultimately be transformed to zone properties settable via maps
23:27 <z-manuel> or css skins :)
23:28 <luke-jr> z-manuel: is ReadSync called with the constructor sync?
23:28 <z-manuel> Yes.
23:28 <luke-jr> ah
23:28 <luke-jr> ok
23:28 <z-manuel> First, the constructor is called
23:28 <z-manuel> then, the InitAfterCreation virtual method
23:28 <z-manuel> then ReadSync
23:29 <z-manuel> that ReadSync gets the same data as the constructor.
23:29 <z-manuel> Point is that the constructor only reads the data required for construction, ReadSync the rest.
23:30 <z-manuel> (So technically, stuff like colors should now be read from ReadSync even if they're only actually written on construction)
23:30 <luke-jr> z-manuel: this won't work ☹
23:31 <z-manuel> why not?
23:31 <luke-jr> I need to translate the initial sync twice?
23:31 <z-manuel> If you want to delegate work to your usual Constructor and ReadSync method, yes.
23:32 <z-manuel> But instead of converting it, you can just directly read it :)
23:33 <luke-jr> no, I need to convert it for the parent class
23:37 <z-manuel> Isn't that eNetGameObject for both of them?
23:38 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9054 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base_notranslate.txt): Manuel Moos: Added items collected over the past months.
23:39 <luke-jr> z-manuel: ⁇
23:39 <luke-jr> zShapeCircle is a subclass of zShape
23:39 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9055 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Manuel Moos: Added missing help entries.
23:40 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9056 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/deutsch.txt): Manuel Moos: Translated new language items so no smartass reopens the 'translation not complete' bug :)
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23:41 <luke-jr> ../../src/network/nProtoBuf.h:753: error: call of overloaded 'ReadSync(nProtoBufBaseConverter<const Zone::ShapeCircleSync>&, const nSenderInfo&)' is ambiguous
23:41 <luke-jr> ../../src/tron/zone/zShape.cpp:203: note: candidates are: void zShapeCircle::ReadSync(const Zone::ShapeCircleSync&, const nSenderInfo&)
23:41 <luke-jr> ../../src/tron/zone/zShape.cpp:714: note:                 void zShapeCircle::ReadSync(const Game::ZoneV1Sync&, const nSenderInfo&)
23:42 <z-manuel> Oh. Right. Dunno what to do about that right now.
23:44 <luke-jr> -.-
23:49 <luke-jr> z-manuel: I don't get what the nProtoBufBaseConverter is for
23:50 <luke-jr> it seems to build fine w/o it ☺
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23:50 <luke-jr> … or not
23:59 <nsh22> question, wtf is a armatrator?
23:59 <nsh22> oh...arbitrator?

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