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--- Day changed Mon Feb 16 2009
00:02 <nsh22> im slowly realisig its easier to code a webpage rather than use dreamweaver
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00:02 <@armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8996 /tools/resource-repo/latest.php: Last-Modified header and X-Please-Follow-Redirects-If-Modified-Since
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00:03 <luke-jr> ok, think that finishes up the server side
00:04 <PinkTomato> nsh22: well of course
00:04 <nsh22> :)
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00:04 <PinkTomato> :)
00:04 <nsh22> i had thought that everyone used dreamweaver or some other editor. i was wrong...
00:05 <epsy> :)
00:05 <luke-jr> I use kate!
00:06 <nsh22> who?
00:06 <nsh22> :P
00:06  * epsy uses gvim directly O:-)
00:06 <nsh22> what is kate?
00:06 <epsy> text editor for kde
00:06  * nsh22 is using notepad++
00:06 <epsy> can work with multiple backends, including gvim
00:06 <PinkTomato> notepad++ is good
00:07 <nsh22> u like working with backends?
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00:07  * nsh22 moves away
00:07 <PinkTomato> I doubt kate will work well on windows
00:07 <nsh22> lol
00:07 <epsy> PinkTomato, it should work
00:07 <nsh22> im not getting it
00:07 <nsh22> notepad++ is good enogh (and it come swith spell checker :)
00:07 <sinewav> notepad++ ftw
00:08 <epsy> eh, wouldn't a spellchecker just be annoying?
00:08 <nsh22> its not automatic
00:08 <nsh22> its just an option
00:08 <epsy> still
00:08 <nsh22> i havent used it yet
00:08 <sinewav> I never knew it had one...
00:08 <nsh22> ill tell you whe i do
00:08 <nsh22> its underplugins sine
00:09 <nsh22> oh, ok it doesnt have it, you need to download the files...
00:09 <nsh22> you need Aspell
00:09 <sinewav> thought so
00:09 <PinkTomato> That's not a problem though, just get aspell
00:09 <PinkTomato> lots of things use aspell, you might have it
00:10 <nsh22> way to lazy (and busy) to do it
00:10 <nsh22> atm that is
00:10 <epsy> would be kinda useless anyway, for programming
00:10 <nsh22> yeah
00:10 <epsy> unless it detects words by other stuff than spaces
00:10 <nsh22> well i could see it being good for html if it left out the tags
00:10 <epsy> hah
00:11 <luke-jr> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+spec/dynamic-resources
00:11 <luke-jr> who wants to implement the client end⁈
00:11 <BabyBug> me!
00:11 <nsh22> me!
00:12 <nsh22> nawt
00:12 <luke-jr> sweet
00:12 <BabyBug> beat you!
00:12  * luke-jr goes back to Fortress
00:12 <nsh22> oh ok...
00:12 <BabyBug> (not really btw!)
00:12 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty] r889 Merge from mainline... || [bugfarm-scripts] r14 Added configuration to ignored files.... || [bugfarm-scripts] r13 Whoops, forgot.... || [bugfarm-scripts] r12 Made more flexible... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1041 Instead of clearing the registration pointer of nNetObjects ... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1040 Whoops, re-added variable.... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1039 Removed obsol
00:20 <epsy> z-man, when would that happen currently?
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00:20 <nsh22> hey smooth
00:21 <smoothice> hi
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00:54 <nsh22> i hate noses....
00:55 <luke-jr> ………..
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00:59 <@armabot> lpbugs: [329874] Recycling of object IDs <https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/329874>
01:00 <z-man> epsy|phone: when would what happen?
01:02 <epsy|phone> The bug the bot just quoted
01:02 <epsy|phone> Bug 329874
01:02 <teabot> Launchpad bug 329874 in armagetronad/0.2.8 "Recycling of object IDs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329874
01:02 <z-man> ah that.
01:02 <z-man> Well, no observed case yet :)
01:03 <z-man> It's a tight race condition.
01:03 <z-man> First, the ID has to be recycled just at the right time
01:03 <z-man> and then the deletion message needs to get lost or delayed.
01:04 <epsy|phone> So it doesn't need to make it into 0.2.8, does it?
01:04 <z-man> I'm not sure yet.
01:04 <z-man> If I find a simple fix without too ill side effects, I'll commit that.
01:04 <z-man> If not, I'm going to avoid merge hell and fix it for protobuf.
01:05 <z-man> Its 100 - 1000 times rarer than the bug that was just fixed. So it can definitely wait :)
01:06 <epsy|phone> Talking about merge hell my last commit will need to be changed for trunk
01:06 <z-man> No worries.
01:07 <sinewav> z-man: I got a client-side recording of that "invunrable bug". You can have it if it helps.
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01:07 <z-man> sinewav: is it server side?
01:07 <z-man> I already have a clientside recording :)
01:07 <luke-jr> z-man: do you like how my blueprint intentionally avoids needing changes to 0.2.8? :p
01:07 <sinewav> oh ok then.
01:07 <epsy|phone> It should use tString::ToInt() instead of atoi()
01:09 <z-man> luke-jr: Will that work? I mean, if a 0.2.8 client notices it already has a resource, it will not even contact the repository.
01:09 <z-man> ah, ok.
01:13 <luke-jr> z-man: the idea is that the server hides the "LATEST" version from its clients
01:13 <luke-jr> so 0.2.8 clients will only see the actual latest version info ;)
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01:13 <luke-jr> anyhow, I need some help with C++ nusances…
01:13 <luke-jr> zEffector.cpp☹.text+0x2fd): undefined reference to `tEffectorManager::_effectors'
01:14 <luke-jr> any idea why? :/
01:14 <z-man> luke-jr: yes, see my ah, ok
01:14 <z-man> the static member variable _effectors was declared, but never defined.
01:14 <luke-jr> defined? :o
01:14 <z-man> put a <type> tEffectorManager::_effectors(constructor_arguments) in some cpp file.
01:15 <z-man> tEffector.cpp, probably.
01:15 <luke-jr> yeah
01:15 <z-man> yeah, static class member variables need to appear twice :)
01:15 <luke-jr> holy crap it builds now
01:16 <luke-jr> now I need to make gParser actually use it, and port the existing effectors to read their own XML attributes
01:19 <luke-jr> grr
01:19 <luke-jr> z-man: should I be using const char*, tString, or std::string? :/
01:19 <z-man> std::string
01:19 <luke-jr> ok
01:20 <z-man> unless you actually use the fancy tString stuff.
01:20 <epsy|phone> #ping
01:20 <@armabot> pong
01:21 <luke-jr> z-man: not likely ☺
01:21 <luke-jr> just storing/matching type identifiers for now
01:21 <luke-jr> also accepting description parameters, but totally ignored ATM
01:22 <luke-jr> does a std::string argument accept NULL? :/
01:23 <luke-jr> tron/gParser.cpp:974: error: no matching function for call to 'tEffectorManager::Create(std::string&, tXmlParserNamespace::tXmlParser::node)'
01:23 <luke-jr> ./tron/zone/zEffector.h:74: note: candidates are: static zEffector* tEffectorManager::Create(std::string, tXmlParserNamespace::tXmlParser::node*)
01:23 <luke-jr> should I be passing node or node* around?
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01:26 <z-man> Definitely either node * or node &
01:26 <z-man> and the std::string should probably be passed as std::string const &
01:27 <z-man> unless you want to modify it inside the function.
01:40 <nsh22> what is a good free ide for java?
01:41 <ct|kyle> none
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01:41 <ct|kyle> java is pointless
01:41 <nsh22> im in a shitty position now
01:42 <ct|kyle> nsh22: what OS
01:42 <nsh22> windows
01:42 <nsh22> the situation is not about the ide, its my class
01:42 <ct|kyle> go with eclipse, its a little bit piggy but it does work nicely
01:43 <ct|kyle> at least for learning java
01:43 <nsh22> my teacheer its teaching all the shjit on programming languages next week, and im going on a 3 day trip with th school, and tomorrow is a holiday
01:43 <nsh22> oh ok
01:43 <ct|kyle> after learning it get away from it :)
01:43 <nsh22> :)
01:43 <nsh22> why , whats so wrong about it?
01:43 <ct|kyle> slow
01:44 <ct|kyle> very slow
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01:44 <nsh22> lol
01:44 <nsh22> aw luci left...
01:44 <nsh22> wtf is ajax?
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01:45 <ct|kyle> i would have said use geany for IDE, but the run script for java is broken in latest release
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01:46 <nsh22> ooooh. eclips is from U of W
01:46 <nsh22> canada ftw
01:46 <luke-jr> z-man: I'm not familiar with C++ and &
01:46 <nsh22> 163 MEGA BYES?!?!?!?ZIPPED?!?!??!?!
01:46 <z-man> it's basically the same as *
01:46 <z-man> just that it can't be NULL
01:47 <z-man> and you use . instead of -> :)
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01:47 <nsh22> wb
01:47 <Lucifer> re
01:47 <luke-jr> z-man: what if I want to allow NULL? :/
01:47 <z-man> (Well, it CAN be NULL if you forge it accordingly, but while a pointer being NULL is to be expected, in case of a NULL reference, the one creating it is making the mistake)
01:48 <z-man> if you want to allow NULL, use *.
01:48 <luke-jr> so either way, I need to make a pointer right?
01:48 <luke-jr>     tXmlParser::node xpnode = tXmlParser::node(cur);
01:48 <luke-jr>     effector = tEffectorManager::Create(effectorAttribute, &xpnode);
01:49 <z-man> I don't know the context.
01:49 <luke-jr> I can't cut 'xpnode' out?
01:49 <z-man> Depends :)
01:49 <z-man> you may get away with  tEffectorManager::Create(effectorAttribute, & tXmlParser::node(cur));
01:49 <luke-jr> on?
01:50 <luke-jr> O.o
01:50 <z-man> It's an object lifetime question
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01:50 <z-man> I don't know the objects being handled around and neither the functions.
01:50 <nsh22> luke-jr: i just sent you server money
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01:50 <luke-jr> tron/gParser.cpp:975: warning: taking address of temporary
01:50 <z-man> yeah :)
01:51 <z-man> That is fine, provided ::Create() doesnt STORE it.
01:51 <z-man> Well, of course, it's not fine.
01:51 <z-man> Because I always compile with -Werror :)
01:52 <z-man> If ::Create() would accept a const & tXmlParser::node as second argument, then you could write
01:52 <z-man>  tEffectorManager::Create(effectorAttribute, tXmlParser::node(cur));
01:52 <z-man> and it would be accepted.
01:53 <z-man> And having a look at parser::node, that one already handles NULL nodes.
01:53 <z-man> so You're perfectly fine passing nodes by reference.
01:53 <z-man> If you want a NULL node, just use the default constructor.
01:54 <z-man> Anyway, bedtime.
01:54 <nsh22> night
01:56 <luke-jr> hum
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01:58 <Lucifer> hey, I kinda like sawfish
01:58 <Lucifer> now, how do I configure it?
02:00 <luke-jr> O.o
02:02 <Lucifer> well, KWin didn't work too well outside of KDE
02:03 <Lucifer> rather, there was no desktop, heh
02:03  * Lucifer needs to make it so that he can configure his dock and systray and then move on to the finder
02:03 <nsh22> wtf is sawfish?
02:03 <Lucifer> window manager
02:03 <nsh22> you use windows?
02:03 <Lucifer> no, I use linux
02:03 <Lucifer> windows doesn't have window managers
02:04 <nsh22> oh window now windows lol
02:04 <nsh22> not*
02:04 <nsh22> my bad
02:04 <Lucifer> I take it back, sawfish isn't passing alt-keys to apps
02:04 <Lucifer> so all the alt shortcuts I know are useless
02:04  * Lucifer considers going back to openbox
02:04  * nsh22 is done coding his site for tonite
02:07 <luke-jr> ##C++ is useless
02:07 <luke-jr> Lucifer: what is the .cpp side of this? class foo { private: static int bar; }
02:07 <Lucifer> .cpp side of what?
02:08 <luke-jr> that class
02:08 <nsh22> why is there someone named neal registered with armabot?....
02:08 <luke-jr> ROFL
02:08 <nsh22> what?
02:09 <nsh22> ugh ill register this then
02:09 <Lucifer> I don't understand the question, luke, sorry
02:09  * Lucifer suddenly doesn't like stalonetray anymore
02:10 <Lucifer> I guess I could use epsy's trayer
02:10 <nsh22> Lucifer: he means what is the .cpp side of the foo class i think
02:10 <luke-jr> yes
02:10 <Lucifer> ah
02:10 <Lucifer> well, first put your semicolon at the end of the declaration
02:10 <Lucifer> then you need something like:
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02:10 <Lucifer> foo::bar = 0; in the .cpp file
02:11 <Lucifer> all static members have to be initialized
02:11 <Lucifer> do it near the top, eh?  ;)
02:11 <luke-jr> in theory :/
02:11 <luke-jr>     typedef std::map<std::string const &, VoidFactoryBase const &> FactoryList;
02:11 <luke-jr>     static FactoryList _effectors;
02:11 <luke-jr> that's the real .h side
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02:11 <Lucifer> ah, good luck with that, that's a pain in the ass
02:11 <luke-jr> <.<
02:11 <Lucifer> if you get my stupid accountant from launchpad and look in the queries.cpp file, you'll see how to do that
02:11 <Lucifer> and it's a real pain in the ass
02:12 <nsh22> lol at stupid accountant
02:12 <Lucifer> #google dave's stupid accountant
02:12 <@armabot> Lucifer: Search took 0.20 seconds: Dave Fancella - Dave's Stupid Accountant: <http://www.davefancella.com/software/dsaccountant.html>; Dave Fancella - Dave's Stupid Alarm Clock: <http://www.davefancella.com/software/dsac.html>; Bazaar branches of Dave's Stupid Accountant: <https://code.launchpad.net/dsaccountant>; Dave's Stupid Accountant in Launchpad: (2 more messages)
02:12 <nsh22> i saw the thing on your site
02:12 <Lucifer> #more
02:12 <@armabot> Lucifer: <https://launchpad.net/dsaccountant/>; SourceForge.net: Project Donations: Dave's Stupid Accountant: <http://sourceforge.net/project/project_donations.php?group_id=171850>; Dave's Stupid Accountant: <http://www.ohloh.net/p/dsbp>; Dave's Stupid Accountant - Ohloh: <http://www.ohloh.net/p/dsbp/stacks>; Questions for Dave's Stupid Accountant: (1 more message)
02:12 <luke-jr> someone jsut told me I can't have a reference in a map
02:12 <luke-jr> <.<
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02:14 <nsh22> does some bored person want to rate my website (from a coding standpoint)
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02:16 <luke-jr> ok
02:16 <nsh22> ok to me or something else?
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02:17 <Lucifer> ok, now I need to write my finder
02:17 <luke-jr> nsh22: U
02:17 <nsh22> ok
02:17 <nsh22> www.thefoodsite.x10hosting.com
02:18 <Lucifer> heh, I think I'm going to steal tIniFile from arma
02:18  * Lucifer hopes it's still there
02:19 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1043 Removed small hickup detection in regular debug builds.... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1042 Rough fix for https://launchpad.net/bugs/329874:... || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r854 ok, this builds now :) || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r853 tEffectorManager for effector plugin support -- DOES NOT BUI...
02:20 <nsh22> oh btw, i know theresl like two links that dont work on the side
02:20 <nsh22> and only 1 techniwue works so...
02:26 <luke-jr> nsh22: it is utter FAIL
02:27 <luke-jr> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.thefoodsite.x10hosting.com/&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=HTML+4.01+Frameset&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator/1.606
02:27 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8997 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/network/nNetObject.cpp):
02:27 <@armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
02:27 <@armabot> armagetronad: Rough fix for https://launchpad.net/bugs/329874:
02:27 <@armabot> armagetronad: While there are deletion messages pending to a client, don't send creation messages.
02:28 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8998 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tools/tSysTime.cpp): Manuel Moos: Removed small hickup detection in regular debug builds.
02:28 <nsh22> thats why its an epic fail, becaus eit cant be validated?
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02:29 <luke-jr> nsh22: no, my epic fail commetn was based on the useless and ignored CSS
02:30 <nsh22> oh
02:30 <nsh22> well it was my first try at a site...
02:30 <luke-jr> nsh22: here's a hint: never use frames
02:30 <nsh22> so what would ou do to improve it code wise
02:31 <nsh22> oh
02:31 <nsh22> well i planon taking them away once i hand in the project
02:31 <nsh22> what could be used to replace the frames hen?
02:32 <luke-jr> CSS
02:32 <nsh22> i dont know how to use css for stuff like that...
02:33 <luke-jr> so learn
02:33 <nsh22> lol ok
02:33 <luke-jr> read the HTML 5 and CSS 1 & 2 specs
02:33 <luke-jr> then write your own browser
02:33 <nsh22> huh?
02:34 <nsh22> my own browser?
02:34 <luke-jr> yeah
02:34 <luke-jr> everyone good at web development writes their own browser
02:34 <nsh22> like ie or firefox?
02:36 <luke-jr> yeah
02:36 <luke-jr> once in a while someone's browser gets really popular
02:37 <nsh22> do you have your own/
02:39 <nsh22> ?
02:45 <luke-jr> of course
02:46 <nsh22> will some websites break because of different formats?
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02:58 <luke-jr> wtf does that mean?
03:01 <nsh22> will all websites work with a custom browser?
03:07 <ct|kyle> #bzr
03:07 <@armabot> bzr co lp:armagetronad (for trunk) bzr co lp:armagetronad/0.2.8 (for 0.2.8) bzr branch lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.3.1 (bzr >= 1.4)
03:07 <smoothice> #svn
03:07 <@armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
03:07 <smoothice> lolz
03:07 <smoothice> svn pwns
03:07 <smoothice> bzr is sj**
03:07 <smoothice> sh**
03:07 <smoothice> lol
03:08 <nsh22> ummm....
03:09 <ct|kyle> smoothice: LIES
03:09  * nsh22 thinks smooth is gonna get told...
03:10 <ct|kyle> all you have to do is read what z-man wrote on forums to know
03:11 <smoothice> Yeah
03:11 <ct|kyle> #si -v ladle 2
03:11 <smoothice> dcvs versus cvs
03:11 <@armabot> ct|kyle: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “ladle 2” at the moment, sorry.
03:11 <smoothice> #si -v ~Night Walker's Central~ ~Fortress!
03:11 <@armabot> smoothice: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “~night walker\'s central~ ~fortress!” at the moment, sorry.
03:11 <smoothice> ct|kyle: what does -v do?
03:11 <ct|kyle> #si -v fort
03:11 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress. (crazy-tronners.com:4534) running 0.2.8_alpha20070830 unix dedicated, url: http://www.crazy-tronners.com, Description: “There's like all these weird maps, man.“, Players (5/14): -=L$)beanerTRON, Daruci, Mr.M01gh, Penfold, ~'Ns.Eric4Lyfe
03:13 <nsh22> i think it just analysed the ct servers
03:13 <nsh22> analyses*
03:14 <smoothice> #si fort
03:14 <@armabot> smoothice: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress.: Players (4/14): -=L$)beanerTRON, Mr.M01gh, Penfold, ~'Ns.Eric4Lyfe
03:14 <smoothice> #si -v fort
03:14 <@armabot> smoothice: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress. (crazy-tronners.com:4534) running 0.2.8_alpha20070830 unix dedicated, url: http://www.crazy-tronners.com, Description: “There's like all these weird maps, man.“, Players (4/14): -=L$)beanerTRON, Mr.M01gh, Penfold, ~'Ns.Eric4Lyfe
03:14 <smoothice> oh
03:14 <smoothice> verbose
03:15 <nsh22> huh?
03:15 <luke-jr> nsh22: websites that aren't broken
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03:16 <nsh22> ive just heard of certain web browsers not workingwith some sites.
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03:19 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r856 use zEffectorManager in gParser for Zones v2 || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r855 suggestions from z-man, and interface cleanups
03:20 <luke-jr> nsh22: well, a broken site or a broken browser
03:20 <luke-jr> if IE doesn't work with a site, it's a broken browser
03:20 <luke-jr> for most other browsers, it'd be a broken site
03:20 <nsh22> oh
03:20 <nsh22> ok
03:25 <ct|kyle> Firefox is a broken browser
03:26 <nsh22> which major one isnt broken then....?
03:26 <ct|kyle> they all are in ways
03:26 <nsh22> how so?
03:27  * ct|kyle waits for luke-jr to say Konqueror
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03:32 <luke-jr> hm
03:32 <luke-jr> any reason gParser::myCheapParameterSplitter isn't tFunction::parse or something?
03:33 <nsh22> Online Servers
03:33 <nsh22> Come join 3D on WILDCAT, s/he look lonely!
03:33 <nsh22>  <----wtf did that happen?
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04:08 <luke-jr> src/tron/gParser.h:    void myCheapParameterSplitter2(const string &str, tPolynomial<nMessage> &tp, bool addSizeMultiplier=false);
04:08 <luke-jr> where is this actually defined?
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04:21 <@armabot> armacommits: [protocolbuffer-armagetronad-work] r937 Random Xcode comment change. \o/... || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r864 ... to tFunction::parse, to avoid ambiguity || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r863 move gParser::myCheapParameterSplitter to tFunction(std::str... || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r862 migrate effects setting and point || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r861 move lowercasing effect type to zEffectorManager || [armagetronad-zo
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05:25 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r868 zEffectorSpawnPlayer::readXML || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r867 zEffectorCycleAcceleration::readXML || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r866 zEffectorCycleAcceleration::readXML || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r865 mark myCheapParameterSplitter[2] as deprecated
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05:42 <s0beit> aloha
05:47 <ct|kyle> oi s0beit
05:47 <s0beit> =)
05:47 <s0beit> how are you kyle?
05:47 <ct|kyle> i'm fine, you?
05:48 <s0beit> Shouldn't you be getting your rest for school tomorrow?  Or are you off for presidence day?
05:48 <s0beit> presidents*
05:48 <ct|kyle> college
05:49 <s0beit> Nice =) Do you have morning classes this semester?
05:49 <ct|kyle> 1 :(
05:49 <s0beit> My earliest one is 8am
05:49 <ct|kyle> mine is 9 am
05:49 <s0beit> That's still VERY early for me
05:49 <s0beit> lol
05:50 <ct|kyle> but it is a 30 minute drive to campus
05:50 <s0beit> Ouch
05:50 <s0beit> I live on campus =)
05:51 <s0beit> I have a question kyle, on the ladder for my servers.
05:51  * ct|kyle hides :P
05:51 <s0beit> No matter what settings I set, I still get logged on the ladder under all kinds of different names
05:51 <s0beit> http://vcl-clan.com/forum/index.php?autocom=pages&action=display&id=4
05:52 <ct|kyle> i can't see
05:52 <s0beit> o:-=vcl.sobeit@
05:52 <s0beit> You never registered?
05:52 <s0beit> =(
05:52 <ct|kyle> nope :)
05:52 <s0beit> There is no validation, you should do it when you have time =)
05:53 <s0beit> If you don't feel like registering tonight, here is one that you can view:
05:53 <s0beit> http://vcl-clan.com/stats/hrkingdom.php
05:54 <s0beit> I recently included this code in the servers, hoping it would fix the issue/bug
05:54 <s0beit> LEGACY_LOG_NAMES 1
05:54 <s0beit> #cfg2 LEGACY_LOG_NAMES
05:54 <@armabot> s0beit: LEGACY_LOG_NAMES: legacy_log_names_help
05:55 <ct|kyle> o:-=vcl.sobeit@ , 0:-=VcL.SoBeiT@  and -=vcl.sobeit@  probably should have been the same
05:55 <s0beit> Yes, i know
05:55 <s0beit> I keep my name the same all the time
05:55 <s0beit> -=VcL.SoBeiT
05:56 <s0beit> However, when I login to the server, I guess it changes it.
05:56 <ct|kyle> the @ means you logged in locally
05:56 <s0beit> Yeah
05:56 <ct|kyle> the o: means lagacy logs i think
05:56 <s0beit> Is that good?  is there another way to login?
05:56 <s0beit> Yeah, legacy logs put that 0: there
05:57 <ct|kyle> but when you cahgne the settings it is not going to update names allready on the ladder
05:57 <ct|kyle> change*
05:58 <s0beit> Shouldn't the ladderlog be smart enough to find names existing and add points to that already existing name?
05:58 <s0beit> especially when the names are all identical with the "@" on the end
05:59 <ct|kyle> yes, but if it has -=vcl.sobeit@  it is going to look for o:-=vcl.sobeit@ if LEGACY_LOG_NAMES is 1
06:00 <ct|kyle> #cfg2 alias
06:00 <@armabot> ct|kyle: USER_ALIAS: Allows bending authenticated names around: a player authenticated as X originally can appear as y.
06:01 <s0beit> There is me at 23 though "o:-=vcl.sobeit@" and me again at pos 32 "o:-=vcl.sobeit@"
06:01 <ct|kyle> you could probably do  USER_ALIAS -=vcl.sobeit@ -=vcl.sobeit
06:01 <s0beit> You think this will work?
06:01 <s0beit> Do I really need Legacy_Log_names on then?
06:01 <ct|kyle> looks like lagacy names are crazy
06:01 <s0beit> yes
06:01 <ct|kyle> remove them, reset the file
06:02 <ct|kyle> and try that USER_ALIAS  (i'm not sure if it will work or not
06:02 <s0beit> ok, will do =)
06:02 <s0beit> lower case?
06:02 <s0beit> USER_ALIAS -=vcl.sobeit@ -=vcl.sobeit
06:02 <ct|kyle> ya
06:02 <s0beit> or USER_ALIAS -=VcL.SoBeiT@ -=VcL.SoBeiT
06:02 <s0beit> ok
06:02 <ct|kyle> no
06:03 <s0beit> should I have my user_level like that too?
06:03 <s0beit> all lower case?
06:03 <ct|kyle> err maybe you should have it normal cased
06:03 <s0beit> What's normal?  xD
06:03 <ct|kyle>  -=VcL.SoBeiT@
06:04 <s0beit> ok
06:04 <luke-jr> O.o
06:05 <s0beit> \o luke-jr
06:07 <luke-jr> wtf is that
06:07 <s0beit> the o is the head of a person and the \ is him waving
06:07 <s0beit> \o/
06:09 <s0beit> ct|kyle, What do you think of my first flash intro?  http://vcl-clan.com/
06:09 <luke-jr> ..
06:10  * ct|kyle hates intro's. but that does not look that bad
06:10 <s0beit> =)
06:10 <s0beit> ty!
06:11 <s0beit> I wanted to put something simple and short up
06:11 <s0beit> Instead of that confusing mess I had up before
06:11 <s0beit> I finally got my new theme set for the 2009 year :)
06:13 <s0beit> #night
06:13 <@armabot> Good night s0beit!
06:14 <s0beit> If you have time ct|kyle, I would be happy if you registered on the site =), gnight everyone, sleep well
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06:19 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: what do you think of tScopedPush? :D
06:20 <ct|kyle> what luke-jr?
06:20 <luke-jr> { tScopedPush v(defaultColor, rColor(1, 0, 0, 1)); doSomething(); } // the defaultColor is automatically popped
06:22 <ct|kyle> i donno
06:23 <luke-jr> unfortunately, it doesn't accomplish what my goal was
06:23  * luke-jr ponders
06:23 <ct|kyle> heh
06:23 <luke-jr> or maybe it does
06:23 <ct|kyle> i gtg
06:23  * luke-jr tweaks
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06:25 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r870 make defRotation a tPolynomial before its too late || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r869 default color/rotation stacks
06:32  * luke-jr redesigns
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07:29 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r871 make tScopedPush a little more flexible
08:14 <luke-jr> blah
08:29 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r872 working map-load variable stack
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09:29 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
09:29 <@armabot> Lucifer: '<?xml version="1.0"\n?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n<title>Dave Fancella</title>\n<meta name="generator" content="http://txt2tags.sf.net" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style/main.css" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" (5 more messages)
09:33 <@armabot> armacommits: [bugfarm-scripts] r15 Fixed start error... || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r875 sadly, tScopedPush is not used now... so it will be removed || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r874 remove dead code || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r873 successfully moved zone default colours to effector module
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09:52 <litb> hi all
09:52 <litb> i wonder how i can get 3.0 ?
09:52 <litb> i heard it shows maps?
09:57 <litb> hmm looks like there is no 0.3 yet
09:59 <luke-jr> ………
09:59 <luke-jr> 0.3.0 is ancient
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10:12 <luke-jr> ]later tell smoothice my zones-v1v2 branch should now be an excellent starting point for a zones v2 sty
10:12 <ljrbot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
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10:38 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1045 Ammendment to object ID recycling bugfix: sending object cre... || [armagetronad-zones-v1v2] r876 zones v2 should now be extensible enough for C++ "scripts" i... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1044 Removed small hickup detection in regular debug builds....
11:02 <Durka> anyone here?
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11:14 <tramshed> IM
11:14 <tramshed> So wasted.
11:42 <litb> luke-jr: what?
11:43 <litb> why is 0.3 ancient when 0.2 is current?
11:43 <@armabot> armacommits: [bugfarm-scripts] r16 Tuning....
11:44 <litb> or does the version number follow some weird scheme like "get to PI" or stuff?
11:51 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8999 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/: Manuel Moos: Removed small hickup detection in regular debug builds.
11:52 <@armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r9000 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/network/nNetObject.cpp src/network/nNetwork.cpp):
11:52 <@armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
11:52 <@armabot> armagetronad: Ammendment to object ID recycling bugfix: sending object create and
11:52 <@armabot> armagetronad: delete messages in alternating bursts now. Pending deletes should not
11:52 <@armabot> armagetronad: block creations indefinitely.
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11:58 <tramshed> I be lolin
11:58 <tramshed> at your  bot patrollin
11:58 <tramshed> channel is full of cli fail
11:58 <tramshed> you should fork the channel
11:58 <tramshed> one for talkin
11:58 <tramshed> and one for stupid bot shit
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12:05 <litb> lol
12:06 <litb> i agree it annoys. im here for just around 30 mins and it already sucks haha
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12:15 <epsy> what is NIL in ruby?!
13:07 <litb> can u script armagetron with ruby?
13:07 <epsy> not yet
13:23 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
13:23 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: Donation Drive! $139.96 / $150 http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=19025 | Latest Version: | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | Gentoo? layman -ka armagetron | pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste/ | Logs: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys
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13:42 <BabyBug> \o/
13:47 <epsy> /o\
13:48 <Lizmatic>  /o
13:48 <BabyBug> fail hunni!
13:50 <akira_arma> lol german politicians are totally dumb..
13:50 <akira_arma> instead of persecuting child pronography they want to install a blocking list
13:50 <akira_arma> yea sure 1984 is greeting :)
13:52 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1047 No more respawining while death/winzone is active.... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1046 Fixed cycle extrapolator getting permanently stuck....
13:52 <akira_arma> sometimes i just want to leave this planet :/
13:52 <litb> lol
13:53 <akira_arma> our ministry of family cited norway as an exmplae for blocking... yet they got very silent when someone told them a majority of servers with such content is lcoated ion germany
13:54 <akira_arma> i mean do they think the population is THAT dumb..
13:55 <akira_arma> and the blocking doesnt do anything about dns wildcards or use of proxies
13:55 <akira_arma> goddamn.
13:55 <akira_arma> ok i shut up
13:57 <flea> who wants it
13:58 <akira_arma> ?
13:58 <akira_arma> soon all EU states will incorporate such ISP-sided lists
13:58 <flea> who wants it
13:58 <akira_arma> people in power probably
13:59 <flea> who wants to get core dumped
13:59 <akira_arma> using their frontline organizations to push the agenda
13:59 <akira_arma> bah
13:59 <MaZuffeR> in Finland they blocked a site arguing against the censorship... http://lapsiporno.info/english-2008-02-15.html
14:02 <flea> #check messages
14:02 <@armabot> flea: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
14:02 <flea> #check voicemail?
14:02 <@armabot> flea: No spelling suggestion made.  This could mean that the word you gave is spelled right; it could also mean that its spelling was too whacked out even for Google to figure out.
14:03 <epsy> http://wikileakhttp://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Finlands.org/wiki/Category:Finland
14:03 <epsy> http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Finland
14:03 <epsy> (xchat likes to lag when pasting)
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14:33 <akira_arma> yea MaZ
14:33 <akira_arma> we are drifting into some fascist world order day by day :(
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15:56 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1048 Implemented a variant of RLBOT simulating tripple binds. Use...
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16:29 <nsh22> yay i got colour in my frame!
16:29 <nsh22> wewt
16:30 <epsy> woo woo frames!
16:30 <nsh22> woo woo?
16:45 <nsh22> ok i thinkthats finnally done
16:46 <Concord> lol?
16:46 <nsh22> lol
16:47 <Concord> lol
16:47 <nsh22> ive been working on thisstupid project for like an entir e week
16:47 <nsh22> stupid website
16:47 <nsh22> wanna see it?
16:49 <BabyBug> .si bugfarm
16:50 <BabyBug> #si bugfarm
16:50 <@armabot> BabyBug: Bugfarm Elimination Sumo: Players (0/16):
16:50 <BabyBug> #ctos
16:50 <@armabot> BabyBug: Crazy Tronners Open Sumo: Players (12/12): -»|$øØ M, box, chÜck, CT_emphasis, cT¤speed, Flex, Kiliz, myth, Nikk¦A¦, saffi., Th3r0z3r, ~*$u<k°*~
16:50 <BabyBug> hrmph
16:50 <nsh22> oh no its a bug!
16:50 <BabyBug> #ctwf
16:50 <@armabot> BabyBug: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress.: Players (7/14): $T.N00b, 23, bencorm, Makerman, pruHell-lo, Sargeras, SL°???
16:57 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1051 Name lenght limit now also applies to admin renames. Silly a... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1050 Added emergency code to hopefully catch the invulnerability ... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1049 Don't leave the cycle driving straight on on the server just...
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17:01 <Concord> nsh22, yes I do
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17:02 <nsh22> www.thefoodsite.x10hosting.com
17:02 -!- iccleoldme is now known as BabyBug
17:05 <Concord> nice
17:05 <Concord> my high score is 1575
17:05 <Concord> lol
17:05 <BabyBug> ewwww Frames? O.o
17:06 <Concord> http://tronic-cup.co.cc/
17:06 <Concord> i need to get back to work on that
17:07 <nsh22> ys frames
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17:21 <Concord> hoi
17:21 <ct|kyle> oi
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17:57 <Concord> dlh, I'm getting a bunch of errors with the trunk, all related to FTFont
17:58 <dlh> What release of the osx-libs are you running? You can find out my opening the README.txt file
17:58 <dlh> in /Library/Frameworks/ArmagetronAdvanced*
17:59 <Concord>  Version 2008-03-10
17:59 <dlh> Yeah, you need to update that :)
17:59 <Concord> ok
17:59 <Concord> i'll update the link on the wiki too
17:59 <dlh> Just link to the package page, not a specific file: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=110997&package_id=266788
18:00 <Concord> oh right :P
18:01 <Concord> success!
18:01 <Concord> thnx
18:01 <@armabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r839 Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8996 to 9004:... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r838 Merging branch 0.2.8 from revision 8964 to 8996:...
18:02 <nsh22> hey hey im back
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18:05 <sinewav> hey hey, it's neal.
18:06 <nsh22> hey hey its sine lol
18:06  * nsh22 has homemade mac and cheese
18:06 <sinewav> is there bacon in it?
18:06 <nsh22> there can be
18:07 <sinewav> go for the bacon
18:07 <nsh22> next time
18:07 <sinewav> enjoy it for me, I don't eat meat anymore
18:07 <nsh22> oooh i just thought of an idea for it
18:07 <nsh22> your a vegitarian?
18:09 <sinewav> no, I just cut back on meat a lot. I still allow myself to eat it, just infrequently
18:09 <sinewav> like once a month
18:09 <nsh22> ah, if you were i would say...get out
18:12 <sinewav> It's hard to not eat sushi, and curry chicken
18:12 <nsh22> not for those who do it frequently
18:12 <sinewav> that was the extent of my meat cinsumption anayway
18:13 <sinewav> consumpion*
18:13 <sinewav> wrong again, sigh
18:13 <nsh22> was or is?
18:13 <sinewav> I guess is.
18:13 <nsh22> meh
18:14 <nsh22> any particular reasons for it or you just think you should cut down on consumption?
18:14 <sinewav> Well, red meat makes me sick. Not mentally, physically.
18:14 <nsh22> ah
18:14 <nsh22> that happens to some ppl
18:14 <nsh22> its odd
18:14 <sinewav> and I'm kind of sensitive to animals
18:15 <nsh22> ah
18:15 <sinewav> It's ok to kill and eat them, I just can't do it
18:15 <sinewav> You can do it all you want though
18:15 <nsh22> i c
18:16 <nsh22> i like your outlook, you dont limit others
18:16 <sinewav> I'm not an animal right preacher, but I'm a buddhist
18:16 <nsh22> i hate ppl who do
18:16 <sinewav> yeah me too
18:16 <nsh22> your buddist?
18:17 <sinewav> kind of
18:17 <nsh22> cool
18:17 <nsh22> #si ctwf
18:17 <@armabot> nsh22: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “ctwf” at the moment, sorry.
18:17 <nsh22> #si -v ctwf
18:17 <@armabot> nsh22: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “ctwf” at the moment, sorry.
18:18 <nsh22> #si -v fort
18:18 <@armabot> nsh22: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress. (crazy-tronners.com:4534) running 0.2.8_alpha20070830 unix dedicated, url: http://www.crazy-tronners.com, Description: “There's like all these weird maps, man.“, Players (7/14): .fdx, Gummi maci, jaquer, l_dommel, Robert, Roel, R_C_S
18:18 <nsh22> #si -v ladle
18:18 <@armabot> nsh22: Crazy Tronners Ladle Fortress 1 ( running 0.2.8-sty+ct_alpha20090118 unix dedicated, url: http://www.crazy-tronners.com, Description: “Ladle Fortress Settings. Brought to you by Crazy Tronners“, Players (0/24):
18:18 <nsh22> #si -v ladle2
18:18 <@armabot> nsh22: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “ladle2” at the moment, sorry.
18:18 <nsh22> #si -v ladle 2
18:18 <@armabot> nsh22: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “ladle 2” at the moment, sorry.
18:18 <nsh22> im looking for any F! member, do you know their website?
18:19 <PinkTomato> nsh22: http://durkadurkaland.com/index.php?c=45&sid=2ca03c9f9d5b0d6dc10f5a6207e50f46
18:20 <PinkTomato> or it is: http://www.fight-clan.wwwd.name/
18:21 <nsh22> no it led to F!
18:22 <PinkTomato> well isn't that what you are after?
18:23 <nsh22> i was saying your first one was correct
18:23 <nsh22> :P
18:23 <PinkTomato> well that's there old one
18:23 <ct|kyle> o0 ladle 2 not up
18:24 <ct|kyle> #si -v ladle 2
18:24 <@armabot> ct|kyle: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “ladle 2” at the moment, sorry.
18:25 <luke-jr> z-manuel: does increasing max-object-id use memory?
18:26 <luke-jr> z-manuel: could Armagetron simply use an incrementing object-id and not recycle at all until it gets to MAX_INT?
18:26 <z-manuel> Not currently. Objects are stored in arrays.
18:27 <z-manuel> So yes, increasing max_object_id uses more memory
18:27 <z-manuel> Not much, though.
18:27 <luke-jr> litb: 0.2.8 is "current stable", and 0.3 is "development"; 0.3*.0* is the last development release, from like 2 years ago
18:27 <ct|kyle> z-manuel: it seams like i get  "Got unknown nMessage with descriptor id 12" everytime the server binds to port
18:27 <luke-jr> litb: upcoming releasing are "stable" and 0.3.1 "development"
18:27 <epsy> MrBougo, /connect on trem
18:27 <z-manuel> kyle: those are coming from trunk clients.
18:27 <MrBougo> epsy, lol
18:28 <litb> oh i see
18:28 <MrBougo> epsy, noway :(
18:28 <litb> so x.y when y is odd then it's devel?
18:28 <ct|kyle> ah ok, i see, so when i entered i got it
18:28 <epsy> MrBougo, whai?
18:28 <luke-jr> litb: yes
18:28 <akira_arma> #tea
18:28 <@armabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): -»t|boo, -»|$øØ M, Wequar
18:28 <litb> u know when 0.4 will be out?
18:28 <luke-jr> litb: when we decide development has enough features, we will start working toward either 0.4 or 1.0
18:28 <z-manuel> 2017.
18:28 <litb> oh
18:28 <sinewav> lol
18:29 <luke-jr> at which time, focus will be on fixing bugs instead of improving the game
18:29 <MrBougo> epsy, I don't have arma
18:29 <MrBougo> or the will to play it
18:29 <epsy> trem not arma
18:29 <luke-jr> litb: development is progressing slow lately; do you know C++?
18:29 <sinewav> 0_o
18:29 <litb> luke-jr: yeah
18:29 <litb> but im not good with 3d and math stuff
18:29 <MrBougo> epsy, same for trem
18:29 <luke-jr> litb: neither am I, and I'm better at C than C++
18:29 <MrBougo> I don't have it :p
18:29 <epsy> MrBougo, even on defrag? :(
18:29 <luke-jr> litb: but every little bit of help counts ;)
18:29 <litb> luke-jr: oh ok. so when u got a c++ q then just ask litb haha
18:30 <MrBougo> epsy, defrag on trem?!
18:30 <epsy> tefrag!
18:30 <MrBougo> even worse
18:30 <litb> luke-jr: oh ok
18:30 <luke-jr> litb: I'm currently porting fortress to 0.3/trunk
18:30 <epsy> but overbounce doesnt seem to work :o
18:31 <luke-jr> z-manuel: speaking of which, v1v2 now has a plugin interface that should be good enough for fortress/sty
18:31 <z-manuel> interesting.
18:32 <epsy> bbl
18:32 <litb> im rather n00bish still with armagetron hehe
18:32 <litb> this fortress stuff looks interesting. hearing about it the first time now :p
18:32 <luke-jr> litb: could start with small bugs to get familiar ☺
18:32 <litb> hehe
18:33 <luke-jr> litb: or there's a new feature I designed, but haven't implemented yet
18:33 <luke-jr> for dynamic resources
18:33 <litb> oh ok
18:33 <luke-jr> my current goal is to work toward the cube
18:34 <luke-jr> http://beta.armagetronad.net/design/reboot.html <-- cube
18:34 <nsh22> cube ftw
18:34 <luke-jr> https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad <-- bugs
18:34 <litb> i have to look into capture-the-flag and sumo
18:34 <litb> both thingies are still black magic to me lol
18:34 <mkzelda> luke-jr: i'd love to see that happen
18:34 <luke-jr> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/armagetronad <-- blueprints
18:34 <litb> how they move on and do weird stuff
18:34 <luke-jr> litb: CTF is sty
18:34 <mkzelda> i loved reboot
18:35 <luke-jr> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+spec/dynamic-resources -- not-very-complex blueprint I mentioned ;)
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18:35 <luke-jr> mkzelda: beware, I know nothing of OpenGL
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18:35 <luke-jr> mkzelda: my implementation will probably just be a lot of teleporting
18:35 <mkzelda> awesome
18:35 <luke-jr> with hints to whoever wants to fix rendering ;()
18:35 <luke-jr> ;)*
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18:35 <litb> hmm
18:40 <luke-jr> litb: it's easy to get started on development ☺
18:40 <luke-jr> 1. sign up with Launchpad
18:40 <luke-jr> 2. bzr branch lp:armagetronad lp:~litb/armagetronad/armagetronad-trunk-<goal>
18:40 <luke-jr> 3. bzr co lp:~litb/armagetronad/armagetronad-trunk-<goal>
18:40 <litb> never worked with bzr
18:41 <litb> is it the bazar vcs?
18:41 <luke-jr> as long as you do it that way, it's almost the same as using Svn
18:41 <luke-jr> the main difference is you can branch w/o access ;)
18:42 <litb> oh it's launchpad. i see
18:43 <litb> so you are trying to make this fortress game mode working with the trunk agt ?
18:43 <luke-jr> basically
18:43 <luke-jr> zones were rewritten
18:43 <litb> what is the shortcut of "armagetronad" anyway? i don't like writing it all the way everytime haha
18:43 <luke-jr> to be more flexible on the config side
18:44 <luke-jr> once you checkout you shouldn't need to write it again :p
18:44 <luke-jr> AA
18:44 <litb> oh ok
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19:01  * wrtlprnft thinks we should have spiced up repository paths by using armagetronadmap instead of aamap
19:01 <nsh22> ya, about that
19:01 <wrtlprnft> will 3d maps be .a3map.xml?
19:02 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: the current map format already is designed to extend to 3D
19:03 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: btw, your resource mirror is broken!
19:04 <wrtlprnft> meh :D
19:04 <luke-jr> …
19:05 <wrtlprnft> err
19:05 <wrtlprnft> wtf
19:05 <wrtlprnft> no it's not
19:05 <wrtlprnft> three.resource.aa.dashjr.org is just pointing to the wrong host
19:07 <nsh22> is there a new current 3d windows binary ?
19:08 <wrtlprnft> no
19:09 <wrtlprnft> there's no working build system for aa/protobuf/win
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19:36 <nsh22> #weather innisfil
19:36 <@armabot> nsh22: The current temperature in Innisfil, Innisfil, Ontario is 31.1°F (1:36 PM EST on February 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 5.0°F. Windchill: 24.8°F. Pressure: 29.38 in 994.8 hPa (Steady).
19:37 <smoothice> #weather innisfilz
19:37 <@armabot> smoothice: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
19:37 <smoothice> fail
19:37 <nsh22> you fail smooth :P
19:37 <nsh22> ugh im getting kicked off
19:37 <nsh22> pce
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19:38 <smoothice> luke-jr: Should I branch zones-v1v2 and name it 0.3-armagetronad-sty-zonesv2
19:39 <smoothice> luke-jr: But why branch armav1v2 if it's going to be merged into trunk?
19:39 <luke-jr> …
19:40 <smoothice> ?
19:40 <luke-jr> smoothice: afaik, it shouldn't hurt to merge v1v2 into the current 0.3-sty
19:40 <luke-jr> bzr is supposed to be merge-smart
19:40 <smoothice> so
19:40 <smoothice> should I try it?
19:40 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: ?
19:40 <luke-jr> smoothice: sure
19:41 <luke-jr> what's 0.3-sty bzr?
19:41 <smoothice> umm
19:41 <smoothice> one sec luke-jr
19:41 <smoothice> luke-jr: lp:~armagetronad-sty-0.3/armagetronad/0.3-armagetronad-sty
19:42 <smoothice> It probably should be merged with trunk first
19:42 <smoothice> The last time I did it was  Feb 7.
19:43 <luke-jr> nah
19:43 <luke-jr> that'd be part of v1v2 merging
19:43 <smoothice> alright
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19:46 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: !
19:47 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: (wrtlprnft.ath.cx) ≠ (armagetron.at)
19:48 <wrtlprnft> the former never hosted an aa repository
19:49 <luke-jr> o
19:50 <smoothice> luke-jr: So are you going to attempt the merge or should I?
19:50 <luke-jr> smoothice: 1 sec
19:51 <smoothice> luke-jr: Alright
19:52 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: '
19:53 <luke-jr> #fetch http://three.resource.aa.dashjr.org/
19:53 <@armabot> luke-jr: '<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"\n        "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">\n<html lang="en" xml:lang="en" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n<title>Wrtlprnft\'s home server</title>\n<style type="text/css">\n@font-face {\n  font-family: "Armagetronad";\n  src: (5 more messages)
19:53 <luke-jr> #fetch http://three.resource.aa.dashjr.org/resource/
19:53 <@armabot> luke-jr: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
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19:58 <luke-jr> smoothice: merged cleanly; commti?
20:01 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p5087104B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
20:01 <smoothice> luke-jr: sure
20:03 <wrtlprnft> s/luke-jr/LUKE-JR/
20:04 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1053 Fixed deleted objects from lingering around on the client to... || [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1052 Removed annoying debug breakpoints....
20:04 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: no
20:04 <luke-jr> #fetch http://three.resource.aa.dashjr.org/resource/
20:04 <@armabot> luke-jr: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
20:04 <luke-jr> #dns three.resource.aa.dashjr.org
20:04 <@armabot> Host not found.
20:04 <luke-jr> …
20:04 <luke-jr> wtf?
20:04 -!- G5 [n=G5@cl-506.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has joined #armagetron
20:04 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: it should point to armagetron.at
20:05 <luke-jr> smoothice: pushed
20:05 <wrtlprnft> not my home server
20:05 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: it does now
20:05 <wrtlprnft> then my dns is outdated
20:05 <luke-jr> three.resource.aa.dashjr.org. 300 IN    A
20:05 <luke-jr> ]fetch http://three.resource.aa.dashjr.org/resource/
20:05 <ljrbot> luke-jr: '<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">\n<html>\n <head>\n  <title>Index of /resource</title>\n </head>\n <body>\n<h1>Index of /resource</h1>\n<pre><img src="/icons/blank.gif" alt="Icon "> <a href="?C=N;O=D">Name</a>                    <a href="?C=M;O=A">Last modified</a>      <a href="?C=S;O=A">Size</a>  <a href="?C=D;O=A">Description</a><hr><img src="/icons/back.gif" (5 more messages)
20:05 <luke-jr> ]more
20:05 <ljrbot> luke-jr: alt="[DIR]"> <a href="/">Parent Directory</a>                             -   \n<img src="/icons/folder.gif" alt="[DIR]"> <a href="AATeam/">AATeam/</a>                 26-Aug-2008 03:35    -   \n<img src="/icons/folder.gif" alt="[DIR]"> <a href="AL/">AL/</a>                     25-Jun-2007 13:38    -   \n<img src="/icons/folder.gif" alt="[DIR]"> <a href="Aang/">Aang/</a> (4 more messages)
20:06 <wrtlprnft> mathias@colin $ nc -v armagetron.at 80                                                                                                                                           ~
20:06 <wrtlprnft> DNS fwd/rev mismatch: armagetron.at != arma
20:06 <wrtlprnft> armagetron.at [] 80 (http) open
20:06 <wrtlprnft> GET /resource/ HTTP/1.0
20:06 <wrtlprnft> Host: three.resource.aa.dashjr.org
20:06 <wrtlprnft> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
20:06 <wrtlprnft> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 20
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20:08 <luke-jr> …
20:08 <luke-jr> anyhow
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20:09 <wrtlprnft> maybe i should not have used -v
20:11 <smoothice> ]fetch http://resource.armagetronad.net/sdfsf
20:11 <ljrbot> smoothice: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
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20:11 <luke-jr> btw, zones-v1v2 adds __deprecated :p
20:11 <smoothice> so it allows 0.2.8 clients?
20:11 <luke-jr> for compatible zones, of course
20:11 <Corn1> concord get back on 3d i want to play with you
20:12 <Concord> kk
20:12 <Concord> oh wait
20:12 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i thought z-man added that in protobuf
20:12 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: and I added it in v1v2 as well, independently implemented
20:13 <Concord> Corn, give me a sec, I need to compile it
20:13 <smoothice> dlh: I'm still having problems compiling trunk (or branches of trunk) with Xcode
20:14 <Corn1> yeah i know, i just did compile it :P its a pain because you can only play on 3d test with that client
20:14 <smoothice> dlh: Both SDL_opengl.h and SDL.h cannot be find. I have the AA framework installed
20:14 <wrtlprnft> Corn1: err, you shoul be able to play anywhere
20:15 <Corn1> Are you sure?
20:15 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: I don't think so
20:15 <wrtlprnft> with the latest one, yes
20:15 <wrtlprnft> that's the point of protobuf
20:15 <Corn1> well i may need to recompile a more recent version 1 sec
20:17 <Concord> what should be my target, protobuf?
20:18 <wrtlprnft> no, 3d
20:18 <wrtlprnft> armagetron3d
20:18 <dlh> smoothice: Did you modify the project or any other files?
20:18 <Concord> kk
20:18 <Concord> thats what i though
20:19 <smoothice> dlh: I just branched 0.3-armagetronad-sty
20:19 <smoothice> dlh: It happened a couple of revisions back when I merged with trunk
20:19 <smoothice> dlh: but no I didn't change anything
20:19 <dlh> and a clean trunk build doesn't work?
20:20 <dlh> use a pastebin and paste the errors from the build log
20:20 <smoothice> A whole bunch of SDL errors but they seem to be caused by SDL.h and SDL_opengl.h not being found
20:22 <dlh> I need to see the whole build log. I can't really diagnose the problem without it
20:23 <smoothice> dlh: ok
20:23 <smoothice> dlh: one thousand or so errors :/
20:24 <dlh> well, it keeps building so errors accumulate. It is really only just one
20:26 <Concord> wrtl, I can't get off level 0 in the server
20:26 <Concord> and the bot freezes
20:26 <smoothice> dlh: Here's like 500 of the 1777
20:26 <smoothice> dlh: http://armagetron.pastebin.com/m123a16cd
20:26 <wrtlprnft> Concord: the server crashes
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20:27 <Concord> oh
20:27 <wrtlprnft> probably guru3 isn't done with his protobuf port
20:27 <wrtlprnft> but you should be able to play elsewhere :-)
20:27 <Concord> whats the map file?
20:28 <wrtlprnft> just fortress
20:29 <wrtlprnft> with a custom hack to spawn the zones somewhere else (their locations are hardcoded)
20:29 <Concord> i mean, where is the map file ;)
20:29 <Concord> oh
20:29 <Concord> nvm
20:29 <wrtlprnft> :-)
20:31 <smoothice> dlh: Does there need to be a new release of the osxlibs?
20:34 <dlh> smoothice: open up the Armagetron Advanced target inspector, and search for the "header search paths" value. What is it?
20:35 <dlh> Or just paste the entire build log.
20:35 <smoothice> ok
20:35 <dlh> The raw build transcript, that is
20:35 <dlh> everything including the "setenv ... " stuff
20:35 <smoothice> dlh : $(SHARED_HEADER_SEARCH_PATHS)
20:36 <dlh> Are you sure you didn't edit that? It should have more
20:40 <luke-jr> ]later tell guru3 https://launchpad.net/~guru3/+editlocation
20:40 <ljrbot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
20:42 <dlh> smoothice: the 0.3 sty branch works fine for me. Maybe you have an uncommited revision, "bzr stat". Or maybe you have missing pushed revisions "bzr missing --this"
20:43 <luke-jr> z-man: why is the LP 0.2.8 series labelled "Pre-release Freeze" instead of "Current Stable"?
20:43 <dlh> ah wait, you're building the dedicated target
20:44 <dlh> I fixed that bug in the protobuf branch, which isn't merged yet
20:49 <luke-jr> heh
20:49 <luke-jr> I highly suspect zones-v1v2 won't build w/o zonesv2 enabled btw
21:01 <smoothice> dlh: Should I merge with protobuf branch?
21:01 <luke-jr> smoothice: that won't be clean
21:02 <smoothice> luke-jr, dlh: should dlh commit the fix to 0.3-armagetronad-sty then?
21:02 <luke-jr> smoothice: I'd wait until protobuf merges into trunk
21:02 <smoothice> ok
21:03 <luke-jr> and until zones-v1v2 hits trunk too probably
21:03 <luke-jr> OS X isn't important :D
21:04 <smoothice> >.<
21:04 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1054 Fixed removal of wrong delete info.... || [0.3-armagetronad-sty] r809 merge zones-v1v2 branch
21:04 <smoothice> I'm going to go download Ubuntu and put in a VM Then
21:04 <smoothice> since nobody here except dlh cares about osx
21:05 <luke-jr> >_<
21:05 <smoothice> why are you mad?
21:05 <luke-jr> mad?
21:05 <smoothice> >.< = mad
21:06 <luke-jr> liar
21:06 <smoothice> ok
21:06 <smoothice> >.< = sigh then
21:06 <sinewav> >.< = doh!
21:06 <smoothice> -.- = >.< ?
21:07 <luke-jr> no
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21:07 <smoothice> omg
21:07 <smoothice> Debian 5.0 released!
21:07 <luke-jr> wtf?
21:07 <luke-jr> no wai
21:07 <smoothice> http://www.debian.org/
21:08 <smoothice> Released on Saturday
21:08 <pikey> "Most users ever online was 497 on Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:38 pm"
21:08 <pikey> @ arma forums
21:08 <pikey> lol?
21:09 <smoothice> he Debian Project is pleased to announce the official release of Debian GNU/Linux version 5.0 (codenamed Lenny) after 22 months of constant development.
21:09 <luke-jr> ROFL
21:09 <luke-jr> smoothice: it includes KDE 3.5!
21:09 <smoothice> Lmao!!!!!!!
21:10 <smoothice> Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 Lenny is dedicated to Thiemo Seufer, a Debian Developer who died on December 26th, 2008 in a tragic car accident.
21:10 <smoothice> :;(
21:10 <smoothice> :'(
21:10 <smoothice> That’s pretty sad...
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21:13 <smoothice> luke-jr: p:~luke-jr/armagetronad/armagetronad-zones-v1v2-fortress
21:13 <smoothice> wtf is that?
21:14 <luke-jr> smoothice: a branch I just made
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21:15 <smoothice> luke-jr: for what purpose?
21:15 <smoothice> oh
21:15 <smoothice> fortress support
21:16 <smoothice> Isn't it already supporte?
21:16 <smoothice> d
21:19 <guru3> luke-jr: ?
21:19 <luke-jr> smoothice: no
21:20 <smoothice> oh
21:20 <smoothice> why not?
21:20 <luke-jr> guru3: set your location :p
21:20 <luke-jr> smoothice: nobody's ported it
21:20 <luke-jr> smoothice: same reason sty isn't
21:20 -!- iccleoldme is now known as BabyBug
21:20 <smoothice> Ohhh
21:20 <smoothice> It is now..
21:20 <smoothice> :D
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21:21 <luke-jr> smoothice: no, you have a zones v1 sty integrated into 0.3
21:21 <luke-jr> smoothice: that's not the same
21:21 <smoothice> oh
21:21 <luke-jr> zones v1 is scheduled for deletion ;p
21:21 <smoothice> FRICK
21:21 <smoothice> lol
21:22 <luke-jr> zones v1 is strictly historical now
21:22 <smoothice> well whose going to port it?
21:22 <luke-jr> the goal of zones-v1v2 is to delete it entirely
21:22 <luke-jr> I'm porting fortress
21:22 <luke-jr> you're porting sty
21:22 <luke-jr> enjoy
21:22 <smoothice> Fortress is so much easier
21:22 <smoothice> -.-
21:22 <luke-jr> not really
21:23 <smoothice> yeah...
21:23 <smoothice> CONQUEST_RATES
21:23 <luke-jr> same exact concepts
21:23 <smoothice> mathematical
21:24 <smoothice> luke-jr: I'm torrenting 5.0
21:24 <smoothice> w00t!
21:25 <luke-jr> …
21:25 <luke-jr> smoothice: want a Debian 5 VPS?
21:25 <smoothice> I have a VPS already?
21:26 <guru3> wrtlprnft: dedicated server of armagetron3d protobuf crashes?
21:30 <luke-jr> smoothice: not Debian 5!
21:30 <smoothice> I'm sure my VPS company will release a Debian 5 image in the next few days
21:30 <smoothice> I'm postivie
21:31 <wrtlprnft> guru3: yeah
21:31 <guru3> :/
21:31 <guru3> i only ever tested listen servers
21:31 <wrtlprnft> quite reproducably every time someone tries to go up
21:31 <wrtlprnft> that's the point of protobuf!
21:32 <guru3> can you run the server in gdb and the next time it crashes to a backtrace?
21:33 <akira_arma> haha cafe just went boom
21:33 <smoothice> luke-jr: Installing Parallels in VM now :D
21:33 <smoothice> so exciting!
21:33  * akira_arma slaps wrtlprnft
21:35 <wrtlprnft> err
21:35 <wrtlprnft> oops
21:35 <wrtlprnft> sorry
21:35 <luke-jr> smoothice: well my VPS are cheaper and better :P
21:35 <wrtlprnft> i wanted to start 3d test in debug mode
21:35 <wrtlprnft> not cafe
21:35 <wrtlprnft> sorry
21:35 <akira_arma> LOL
21:35 <smoothice> luke-jr: lets not start this argument again lol
21:35 <akira_arma> well you properly nuked the server
21:35 <wrtlprnft> akira_arma: back up, i'll try to leave it alone
21:36 <luke-jr> smoothice: …
21:36 <luke-jr> smoothice: there's no argument to be had
21:37 <wrtlprnft> guru3: well, now it didn't crash
21:37 <guru3> oy vey
21:37 <wrtlprnft> but it produced really weird behavior
21:37 <guru3> is this debug mode
21:37 <wrtlprnft> as in random teleport
21:37 <guru3> or just regular happening to run in gdb
21:37 <wrtlprnft> regular
21:37 <guru3> :S
21:37 <wrtlprnft> but i wanted to see it crash first
21:38 <luke-jr> sigh
21:38 <luke-jr> and I had just finished making the VPS template including the Armagetron control panel
21:38 <luke-jr> now I need to remake it with Debian 5
21:39 <smoothice> fail
21:40 <smoothice> luke-jr: My VPS company has a Debian 5 image
21:40 <luke-jr> smoothice: they charge more tho
21:40 <smoothice> debian-5.0-i386-minimal
21:40 <smoothice> luke-jr: prove it..
21:40 <luke-jr> http://lightfoot.dashjr.org/?page=vps
21:41 <luke-jr> $11/mo for 128 MB RAM + 5 GB disk + 32 GB transfer
21:41 <luke-jr> and $1/mo more for 256 MB RAM + 8 GB disk + 64 GB transfer
21:41 <smoothice> I have 512 MB RAM
21:41 <z-man> luke-jr: because "Freeze" describes the current state better.
21:41 <smoothice> for $10
21:41 <luke-jr> smoothice: where? :O
21:42 <luke-jr> z-man: it does?
21:42 <smoothice> luke-jr: fsckvps.com
21:42 <wrtlprnft> guru3: i'll rebuild with debug just in case
21:42 <wrtlprnft> #tea
21:42 <guru3> it's something with syncing
21:42 <@armabot> wrtlprnft: Fortress Café: Players (2/32): Eclipse, o2.Radian
21:42 <guru3> i just don't get what
21:43 <wrtlprnft> luckily i just nuked café, so they're not gonna hate me for compiling while it's full
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22:06 <@armabot> armacommits: [armagetronad-zones-v1v2-fortress] r877 --enable-fortress option
22:09 <epsy> more ./configure options!
22:10 <wrtlprnft> --enable-cycles
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22:18 <epsy> #list match
22:18 <@armabot> epsy: Error: 'match' is not a valid plugin.
22:18 <epsy> #list math
22:18 <@armabot> epsy: base, calc, convert, icalc, rpn, and units
22:26 <dlh> z-man: Would you accept a patch into 0.2.8 that marks messages with a common prefix as spam? This would stop the abuse of players putting their clan-tag in an instant chat, like ">Some Clan< \", and using it for chat.
22:26 <epsy> sinewav, http://www.contextfreeart.org/ Not sure if you find your heaven there, or even if it is new to you :) If you use arch I've even built some packages for it
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22:27 <epsy> dlh, maybe propose it as a pending merge?
22:27 <z-man> dlh: knock yourself out :) I've been annoyed by that too.
22:27 <epsy> brb
22:27 <wrtlprnft> so we'd have *SPAM* annoyingPlayer: <<<annoyingTag>>> message?
22:27 <z-man> Especially the ugly WW proefix.
22:27 <z-man> No, so they get kicked :)
22:27 <epsy> haha
22:27 <wrtlprnft> oh, i understand what you mean now
22:28 <wrtlprnft> the more often you chat something with the same prefix, the more spammy it is?
22:28 <epsy> like, heck, spam protection
22:28 <z-man> dunno what algorithm dlh has in mind.
22:28 <wrtlprnft> hah, i can see people using all the available instant chats for slightly different color codes to cycle through
22:28 <z-man> but as long as it also catches color text spam, I'll love it.
22:28 <dlh> could strip the colors to get around that :)
22:29 <z-man> why whould one want that? :)
22:29  * sinewav supports this wonderful idea.
22:29  * BabyBug agrees!
22:29 <dlh> was in response to wrtlprnft, about people using different color codes for the prefix to get around it
22:30 <dlh> I'm not sure how you would stop people who change their chat text color. Is there a way to tell when it is legitimate?
22:30 <z-man> it never is.
22:31 <z-man> Usually, the server is responsible for adding the color.
22:31 <z-man> If the chat string from the client starts with 0x, it's an annoyingly colored chat string.
22:33 <dlh> even like /team 0xff0000 Defense dead!
22:33 <dlh> ?
22:33 <luke-jr> dlh: sounds like a trunk feature
22:33 <luke-jr> imo
22:33 <dlh> the prefix checker sounds like a 0.2.8 feature. People are abusing it now.
22:33 <z-man> dlh: that one starts with /team, not 0x :)
22:34  * wrtlprnft 0xfoobar
22:34 <luke-jr> z-man: if you don't strip the colours, they can simply have a different colour for each spam
22:34 <z-man> yes, but they'll have to press a different key every time.
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22:34 <z-man> if they want to go to so much trouble, let them.
22:34 <smoothice> #ubuntu
22:34 <@armabot> sudo aptitude install bzr (or subversion) build-essential automake libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config autoconf autotools-dev
22:34 <z-man> Right now, they define an insta '0xannoying MYCLANPREFIX\'
22:34 <luke-jr> prefix checker sounds like a bug source, that's mainly why I think it's better suited for trunk
22:35 <z-man> and bind their regular chat key to that.
22:35 <z-man> make it optional and off by default.
22:35 <luke-jr> besides, more reasons for servers to move to trunk = good
22:35 <z-man> I can agree with that.
22:35 <BabyBug> Erm...but do you really want servers moving to the unstable version?
22:36 <z-man> Spambots are fun :)
22:36 <smoothice> yes
22:36 <luke-jr> encouraging servers to run 0.2.8 only encourages people to continue forking 0.2.8 with new enhancements
22:36 <BabyBug> hrmm ok, i can see that point
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22:36 <luke-jr> I suspect 0.2.8 has moved from "current stable" to "stable, wanting abandonment" ;p
22:37 <luke-jr> due to trunk deviating to the extent that merges are difficutl
22:37 <BabyBug> What are the odds of people actually upgrading the servers though?...
22:37 <BabyBug> It's just not going to happen :P
22:38 <epsy> well, it happened
22:38 <luke-jr> not for this maybe
22:39 <luke-jr> perhaps a 0.4 plan is in order
22:39 <BabyBug> You plan 20 years in advance? :s
22:39 <epsy> bueh
22:39 <epsy> let's get our base stuff working, before talking about stable
22:39 <smoothice> trunk is stable!
22:40 <smoothice> I believe in trunk
22:40 <epsy> speaking about it's label, not it's effective state
22:41 <BabyBug> exactly, so hurry up with eevent thingy epsy =P
22:41 <luke-jr> epsy: meaning? :p
22:41 <luke-jr> oh
22:41 <epsy> make me a timebending machine
22:41  * luke-jr hasn't been following eEvent
22:42 <epsy> there's not a lot to follow :)
22:42 <fonkay> Lucifer: how was day 3?
22:42 <epsy> everything that's on the branch at lp should be on the wiki as well
22:42 <BabyBug> Not alot? There's nothing...
22:42 <epsy> BabyBug, same thing
22:43 <BabyBug> Merge the trunk into the eevents branch!
22:43 <epsy> let me check
22:43 <epsy> nah
22:43 <epsy> that would be useless with the upcoming protobuff stuff
22:44 <BabyBug> ...
22:46 <epsy> second, I need to find out how to link to boost >.>
22:46 <BabyBug> you still haven't done that? ><
22:47 <epsy> no clue where to begin with that
22:47 <smoothice> z-man: /me is awaiting trunk + protobuf merge
22:47 <epsy> autohell is just so akward
22:47 <BabyBug> autohell?
22:48 <smoothice> lol
22:48 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:48  * wrtlprnft agrees with epsy
22:48 <wrtlprnft> cmake appears to be real nice :-)
22:48 <epsy> someone apparently hacked stuff in to not allow the boost cxxflags to get through, and now I fail to see how to bring them back
22:49 <BabyBug> Who was that someone?
22:49 <BabyBug> I'll slap em! :@
22:49 <luke-jr> epsy: what exactly is eEvents? ☺
22:49 <epsy> the one who linked to boost
22:49 <BabyBug> Yay! i know more than luke-jr for once \o/
22:49 <epsy> luke-jr, high-level mix of nDescriptor, and of a hooking system
22:49 <luke-jr> we could always target 0.4 without it? ;)
22:49 <epsy> luke-jr, for now only the nd part
22:49 <luke-jr> err, isn't nDescriptor going away?
22:50 <epsy> with what then?
22:50 <luke-jr> zones v2
22:50 <epsy> and no sound?
22:50 <luke-jr> no sound? ☺
22:50 <luke-jr> I hear music with trunk
22:50 <epsy> can you put a beep sound on chat?
22:50 <epsy> can you hear your motor?
22:51 <sinewav> epsy: btw, thanks for the link to Context Free Art. I'm interested!
22:51 <luke-jr> no, the music is too loud ;)
22:51 <epsy> haha luke
22:51 <epsy> sinewav, yw
22:52 <BabyBug> when is someone going to complete redo the menu's for arma? :@
22:52 <BabyBug> 100% cpu usage on the menus is not nice :@
22:52 <epsy> when we all get updated to multibabybugthreading
22:52 <sinewav> hahah
22:52 <epsy> er, how did babybug come in that word
22:52 <BabyBug> =.=
22:53 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: in another year is the translation
22:54 <epsy> bueh, let me just drop this diff
22:55 <epsy> so, back on the hooking branch, huh
22:56 <smoothice> luke-jr: 0.3-sty still rejects old clients
22:56 <epsy> cos they suck!
22:56 <smoothice> unsupported CVS build
22:56 <smoothice> luke-jr: I thought you said you fixed that?
22:57 <BabyBug> I'm i right in assuming trunk rejects old clients? But luke's branch is fixing that?
22:57 <luke-jr> smoothice: I fixed the practical side of things.
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22:57 <smoothice> ?
22:57 <luke-jr> I did not fix 0.2.8's bug that it "expires"
22:57 <luke-jr> BabyBug: that is not the goal of my branch
22:57 <BabyBug> but it will achieve it?
22:57 <animuson> anyone know how to have a death zone move along a defined path of points?
22:57 <luke-jr> "unsupported CVS build" is a bug in the 0.2.8 client
22:57 <smoothice> Client?
22:58 <smoothice> You mean server?
22:58 <luke-jr> BabyBug: no
22:58 <luke-jr> no
22:58 <luke-jr> the server is fine with it
22:58 <luke-jr> the client refuses to connect
22:58 <smoothice> oh
22:58 <luke-jr> -DNOEXPIRE disables the buggy client code
22:58 <luke-jr> build with it
22:58 <smoothice> k
22:58 <smoothice> Is it fixed in
22:58 <smoothice> Apparently not..
23:00 <BabyBug> Is there a way to stop people who haven't crashed, from seeing spectator messages?
23:00 <smoothice> luke-jr: I'm runnin an 0.3-sty server... any zones v2 SQUARE maps I could test?
23:00 <epsy> BabyBug, yet not
23:02 <luke-jr> smoothice: dunno, make one
23:02 <BabyBug> epsy, someone should do that!
23:02 <epsy> the the way you mean it
23:02 <epsy> not *
23:02 <smoothice> luke-jr: So you haven't actually tested your branch
23:02 <smoothice> lol
23:02 <akira_arma> #tea
23:02 <@armabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
23:02 <BabyBug> epsy, why? How do i mean it? And what way should it be done?
23:03  * akira_arma slaps epsy
23:03 <epsy> akira_arma, now it is not possible
23:03 <epsy> BabyBug, togglable consoles
23:03 <akira_arma> awww
23:03 <akira_arma> when is it time for some personal spanking?
23:03 <BabyBug> ooooo
23:03 <akira_arma> O.o
23:03 <epsy> BabyBug, though one could script it to appear/hide on spawn/death events
23:03 <akira_arma> sorry i said that
23:03  * akira_arma is afk
23:04 <BabyBug> Why script? Something like those options should be built in :P
23:05 <epsy> @aawikis what went wrong
23:05 <teabot> epsy: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=What_Went_Wrong_in_Armagetron - What Went Wrong in Armagetron - Armagetron Advanced Wiki
23:06 <BabyBug> i don't get it..
23:06 <epsy> Il ne faut pas mettre la charrue avant les boeufs.
23:06 <epsy> find the english for it
23:08 <BabyBug> ...
23:12 <epsy> come on, I've put wayy too many hints!
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23:12 <BabyBug> nooo
23:12 <BabyBug> you spoke french
23:12 <BabyBug> that's not a hint
23:13  * epsy wasn't talking about that
23:13 <epsy> gah...where did my flag go?!
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23:21 <epsy> I think I'll just grab a shiny new boost m4
23:22 <BabyBug> cheater
23:22 <epsy> then do it yourself
23:22 <BabyBug> no!
23:22 <epsy> so?
23:22 <epsy> grm, git
23:24 <smoothice> luke-jr: WIll it be easy to port sty to zones v2?
23:25 <luke-jr> smoothice: easier with my changes now
23:26 <luke-jr> smoothice: my branch doesn't change square zones
23:26 <luke-jr> it only deals with circles
23:26 <smoothice> ok
23:26 <smoothice> so
23:27 <smoothice> Where can I find some sample code to base things off of?
23:27 <epsy> like, trunk?
23:27 <smoothice> where in trunk?
23:27 <smoothice> gWinZone?
23:28 <epsy> zonesV2 have their own zones/ directory under tron/
23:29 <smoothice> oh
23:29 <smoothice> right..
23:29 <smoothice> luke-jr, does your branch have the zones dir
23:33 <smoothice> luke-jr: since it is zonesv1-v2 mix
23:36 <luke-jr> zones dir?
23:36 <luke-jr> smoothice: there is no sample yet
23:37 <smoothice> what do you mean
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23:47 <smoothice> luke-jr: once sty and fortress are working in zones v2 are you going to remove the v1 part of "zonesv1v2"
23:48 <smoothice> luke-jr: Or how will that work...
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