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Log from 2009-02-14:
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00:12 <animuson> smoothice :)
00:42 <smoothice> animuson: Hi lol...
00:43 <animuson> i got times working on my server :)
00:43 <smoothice> W00t
00:43 <smoothice> Now integrate it with MySQL
00:43 <smoothice> lol
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02:19 <s0beit> Good afternoon =)
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02:51 <sinewav> anyone here think youtube is a crap service?
02:57 <ct|kyle> sinewav: use google video
02:57 <ct|kyle> sinewav: i decided youtube was crap when i saw screen recordings of news websites
02:59 <smoothice> ct|kyle: lol
02:59 <ct|kyle> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtioJMw86OQ
03:01 <smoothice> :O
03:01 <smoothice> NO way!
03:01 <smoothice> lol
03:01 <smoothice> that's crud
03:01 <ct|kyle> i think that is the last time i've went to youtube
03:04 <sinewav> ct|kyle: But Goolge just bought youtube, and things have gone downhill since
03:04 <smoothice> rly?
03:04 <sinewav> why?
03:06 <ct|kyle> i know sinewav, but google video seams a little nicer in my opinion
03:06 <smoothice> I think it depends
03:09 <smoothice> ct|kyle: I'm getting lost in all my pvp code that isn't commented anywhere
03:09 <sinewav> I guess I'm just pissed. I uploaded a high quality file, it worked for a few hours, then youtube disavled it.
03:09 <sinewav> disabled*
03:09 <ct|kyle> LOL
03:10 <ct|kyle> well that link i posted should never have been enables in the first place
03:23 <smoothice> ct|kyle: Oh it's running sty+ct 0213??
03:23 <smoothice> I get it now lol
03:25 <ct|kyle> lol smoothice 2 CTWF's up (buth they don't know)
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03:56 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+pvp] r911 Even more work on score counter
03:57 <ct|kyle> i think that is all smoothice does is score counter
04:11 <luke-jr> anything Flash is crap
04:13 <smoothice> ct|kyle: nope... I just finished everything else lol
04:14 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: same goes for java
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04:36 <maclover201> I've got a dev question for Mac
04:36 <maclover201> My question is: in Xcode, how do you enable the --enable-armathentication and --enable-respawn flags?
04:40 <smoothice> dlh isn't here
04:40 <smoothice> #seen dlh
04:40 <@armabot> smoothice: dlh was last seen in #armagetron 1 day, 4 hours, 34 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <dlh> The core of it was python, no it all is
04:41 <smoothice> maclover201: looks like you're out of luck for today
04:41 <maclover201> :/
04:41 <smoothice> you might want to stay on
04:41 <maclover201> ok
04:41 <smoothice> in case he comes
04:41 <ct|kyle> #google Xcode adding configuration options
04:41 <@armabot> ct|kyle: Search took 0.25 seconds: Tutorial: Building Configure /Make Projects in Xcode | MacResearch: <http://www.macresearch.org/tutorial_building_configure_make_projects_in_xcode>; Using Doxygen to Create Xcode Documentation Sets: <http://developer.apple.com/tools/creatingdocsetswithdoxygen.html>; Changes for Xcode 2.4.indd: <http://www.meandmark.com/xcode24update.pdf>; Using XL Fortran (3 more messages)
04:41 <smoothice> ct|kyle: lol
04:41 <smoothice> meh
04:42 <smoothice> ct|kyle: you don't do mac development
04:42 <smoothice> do you?
04:43 <ct|kyle> maclover201: maybe http://developer.apple.com/tools/xcode/xcodebuildsettings.html
04:43 <ct|kyle> smoothice: nope
04:45 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: Xcode doesn't use configure
04:45 <luke-jr> maclover201: I can help you. :D
04:45 <maclover201> Ooh how?
04:46 <luke-jr> edit src/macosx/config_common.h
04:47 <luke-jr> /* #undef KRAWALL_SERVER */
04:47 <luke-jr> change that line to
04:47 <luke-jr> #define KRAWALL_SERVER 1
04:47 <luke-jr> to enable Armathentication
04:47 <maclover201> ok, though I thought there was another authentication #difine
04:47 <luke-jr> and if you want respawn, use #define RESPAWN_HACK 1
04:47 <maclover201> #define
04:47 <luke-jr> (need to add that one)
04:47 <maclover201> ok
04:48 <luke-jr> note respawn is hacky and impossible to disable w/ config
04:48 <maclover201> Yeah
04:48 <luke-jr> so you probably don't want it for real
04:48 <maclover201> Meh, it's worked fine for me despite its hackiness
04:49 <luke-jr> btw
04:49 <luke-jr> everything I just told you
04:49 <luke-jr> I made up on the spot.
04:49 <luke-jr> :D
04:50 <maclover201> :D
04:50 <maclover201> lol
04:50 <smoothice> luke-jr: you're not kidding?
04:50 <smoothice> luke-jr: -.-
04:50 <luke-jr> LOL
04:50 <luke-jr> smoothice: it's obvious stuff
04:50 <smoothice> yeah
04:50 <smoothice> true
04:50 <smoothice> well
04:50 <smoothice> You _did_ develop hexatron...
04:50 <luke-jr> tbh, I just reread configure.ac over
04:50 <smoothice> and maps
04:50 <smoothice> lol
04:50 <luke-jr> and looked at what each of those flags did
04:50 <luke-jr> :P
04:51 <luke-jr> 10 seconds of grepping
04:53 <smoothice> Grep is for lame people
04:53 <smoothice> I use Xcode's project find
04:53 <smoothice> lol
04:54 <smoothice> WHich uses grep
04:54 <smoothice> but it's cooler since it;s a GUI
04:55 <luke-jr> //
04:55 <luke-jr> grep is a concept, not just a program
04:55 <luke-jr> technically, I was using the / command in less
05:08 <smoothice> ugh
05:09 <smoothice> I've entered if statement hell
05:09 <smoothice> I'm getting so lost in my completely-non-commented code
05:23 <luke-jr> :/
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06:01 <smoothice> ct|kyle: I don't know if I will be able to get 0.2.8-pvp finished ever
06:02 <ct|kyle> why smoothice?
06:02 <smoothice> I've been using so many if statements and unorganized functions
06:02 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+pvp] r912 Much more work on score counter
06:02 <smoothice> :;(
06:02 <smoothice> and committing unsure stuff like that ^^
06:02 <ct|kyle> lol
06:03 <smoothice> It needs major reworking
06:03 <smoothice> already
06:03 <smoothice> and unfortunately I don't have the C++ brain to do it :?
06:03 <smoothice> :/
06:03 <smoothice> which is why I said I might never get it done
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10:58 <arrow> hi all
10:58 <Lucifer> wow, a lot of my problems with kde4 went away when I started it as kde/openbox
10:58 <Lucifer> that's interesting
10:59 <arrow> whats kde?
10:59 <Lucifer> of course, that means no plasma, doesn't it?
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10:59 <arrow> #tea
10:59 <@armabot> arrow: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): -»|$øØ M (foom@ct), 1200, apparition, box (box@forums), Goodygumdrops, killerbees19 (killerbees19@forums), noobSaibot, owllwo, Yukon??, ~*DelTa*~, ¦×¦ Black_hat
11:00 <arrow> hm :)
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11:13 <Lucifer> ooo, cairo-dock is pretty neat
11:24 <PinkTomato> @linkladle
11:24 <teabot> Ladle : http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Ladle/Challenge_Board
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11:49 <arrow> #tea
11:49 <@armabot> arrow: Fortress Café: Players (8/32): (.)(.), 1200, apparition, Dr. Wulf, Goodygumdrops, PlayerNuby (PlayerNub@forums), Smoke_Weed, ~*DelTa*~
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13:05 <MrDudle> woot people
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14:14 <Concord> hey flex
14:14 <Flex> greetings
14:16 <PinkTomato> new playfortress skin? ^^
14:17 <Flex> i don't like the font.
14:17 <PinkTomato> please keep sans-serif ^^
14:17 <Flex> plus i think having different colours for the headings and text makes it easier to read.
14:17 <Flex> width is better though.
14:18 <PinkTomato> I don't see a difference in the width
14:19 <PinkTomato> I think keeping a fixed width is a good idea anyway, it feels more natural.
14:21 <PinkTomato> Concord:  "seen the sight in the past"  ^^
14:21 <Concord> heh
14:22 <PinkTomato> Concord: can you not customise the theme on wordpress?
14:22 <Concord> no
14:22 <Concord> #si cafe
14:22 <PinkTomato> :(
14:22 <@armabot> Concord: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): box, Ct_Concord (Concord@ct), Monkey.D.Luffy, o2.Lizmatic, Player 1.0, ~|DS|~zion
14:22 <PinkTomato> #sd -v cafe
14:22 <@armabot> PinkTomato: Fortress Café (armagetron.at:4539) running 0.2.8_alpha20090129 unix dedicated, url: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/, Description: “This is a fortress server. Expect to be kicked if you don't know how to play. To learn how to play try http://wiki.armagetronad.net/“, Players (7/32): box, Ct_Concord (Concord@ct), gtm, Monkey.D.Luffy, o2.Lizmatic, Player 1.0, ~|DS|~zion
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15:05 <Concord> Flex, PinkTomato, take a look @playfortress
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15:06 <PinkTomato> Concord: XD, I like the bike ^^
15:08 <Concord> I changed it (again)
15:08 <Concord> ;)
15:21 <MaZuffeR> wider columns doesn't really improve readability in my opinion, they actually make it harder to read since it's harder to know which line the text continues on
15:21 <MaZuffeR> Concord, ^^
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15:28 <Concord> hmm
15:28 <Concord> I like it, because it is closer to reading a piece of paper
15:28 <MaZuffeR> ever read a newspaper?
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15:32 <Concord> often
15:33 <MaZuffeR> and do you find it hard to read because of the narrow columns?
15:35 <Concord> we got many complaints, ey Flex
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15:49 <smoothice> oi everyone
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15:51 <Concord> hi
15:57 <smoothice> Concord: How's the nineteeth TRONIC ladle coming? :P
15:57 <Concord> huh
15:58 <smoothice> nineteenth TRONIC ladle
15:58 <smoothice> lol
15:58 <Concord> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Ladle/Challenge_Board
15:59 <smoothice> what's new with it?
16:02 <Concord> uh nothing
16:02 <Concord> its not my tournament its self organized
16:09 <smoothice> but
16:09 <smoothice> you seem to help a lot
16:09 <smoothice> lol
16:20 <smoothice> #svn
16:20 <@armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
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19:45 <Lizmatic> whats the comment of private messaging people later again?
19:45 <Lizmatic> command*
19:45 <Lizmatic> bah
19:46 <freako> not sure. search it on the wiki :)
19:46 <Lizmatic> #m Lizmatic tessstt?
19:46 <@armabot> Lizmatic: The operation succeeded.
19:46 <Lizmatic> oh got it
19:46 <Lizmatic> #m BabyBug need2talk :<
19:46 <@armabot> Lizmatic: The operation succeeded.
19:47 <sinewav> real private. maybe I'll just tell her when I see her next.
19:48 <freako> k-yo, Z-man: Do flower power/bugfarm tourney both work trough an external script?
19:48 <freako> lol both not here :/
19:48 <sinewav> fail
19:48 <freako> ;)
19:49 <sinewav> and I think the answer is yes, but I'm not 100% sure
19:51 <Lizmatic> sinewav, what's not private about it?
19:51 <Lizmatic> exactly, punk
19:51 <sinewav> I don't know, it seems like I shouldn't be able to see it
19:51 <Lizmatic> all I said was "need2talk" :S
19:52 <Lizmatic> keep your mouth shut next time so you don't look like a complete moron, thanks
19:52 <freako> LOL!
19:52 <sinewav> What? I'm just debating the "privacy" aspect of the PM I can read. Is that moronic? I think its insightful.
19:53 <Lizmatic> like I want it to be private? I want it to be delivered the next time she joins the channel
19:53 <Lizmatic> artard
19:54 <sinewav> I guess we're just using the word PM genericly. Sorry to say anything to you ever.
19:54 <sinewav> `my bad
19:54 <Lizmatic> indeed, your bad
19:55  * Lizmatic is cranky and will eat you all! rawr!
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19:55 <sinewav> I hope you feel better.
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20:15 <akira_arma> #tea
20:15 <@armabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
20:16  * akira_arma smirkes @ previous talk
20:17 <sinewav> :\
20:19 <Lizmatic> its smirks, but its k, you're spanish xD
20:20 <epsy> Lizmatic, and yeah, remember to not use #m for actually private stuff
20:20 <akira_arma> am I?
20:20 <epsy> #notes babybug
20:20 <@armabot> epsy: Sent 33 minutes ago: <Lizmatic> need2talk :<
20:21 <akira_arma> hmm i should have realized up to know that I am spanish..
20:21 <akira_arma> now*
20:21 <Lizmatic> epsy, whats the command that delivers a PM to a person when they join the channel again?
20:22 <Lizmatic> I only know #m but don't know if that even works lol
20:22 <epsy> « #later tell <person> <message> » will PM a person as soon as it talks
20:22 <epsy>  #m is an alias of #later tell
20:22 <epsy> (and it usually works fine)
20:23 <epsy> but remember, it's not meant as a form of private messaging
20:23 <epsy> anyone can check these out
20:23 <Lizmatic> ok well wasn't planning on saying anything private in a command ;p just that I need to speak with that person.
20:24 <epsy> just a reminder
20:27 <sinewav> That whole thing was my failit epsy, she was using the term "PM" generically. I didn't catch it.
20:27 <sinewav> fault*
20:27 <epsy> naw, it's always Lizmatic's fault.
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20:32 <Lizmatic> sinewav, I'm quite cranky and not feeling good, sorry that I blew up lol
20:32 <sinewav> I apologize as well ^^
20:32 <Lizmatic> :P
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21:08 <maclover201> Hi
21:09 <smoothice> yo
21:09 <smoothice> wassup
21:09 <maclover201> nothing
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21:54 <flea> sup with the master server browser list
21:55 <flea> nvm
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22:06 <freako> someone knows a nice name for a sumo server? :P
22:06 <Lizmatic> 'sumo server #534'
22:08 <cusco> lol
22:08 <cusco> suprasumo
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22:24 <freako> concord :)
22:24 <Concord> oi
22:25 <Concord> hoi
22:25 <freako> #1 fortress (testing...)
22:26 <freako> tweaking a bit/testing connec
22:27 <maclover201> :/
22:27 <maclover201> I am getting a strange compiler error on Xcode
22:27 <maclover201> even when I didn't even touch the file
22:28 <maclover201> In gCycle.cpp
22:28 <maclover201> #ifndef DEDICATED
22:28 <maclover201>     // keep rendering the cycle
22:28 <maclover201>     if ( ret && GOID() >= 0 )
22:28 <maclover201>     {
22:28 <maclover201>         tNEW( gCycleRenderer( this ) );
22:28 <maclover201>     }
22:28 <maclover201> #endif
22:28 <maclover201> it's having trouble with  tNEW( gCycleRenderer( this ) ); for some reason
22:29 <maclover201> error: expected type-specifier before 'gCycleRenderer'
22:29 <maclover201> error: expected `;' before 'gCycleRenderer'
22:29 <maclover201> :/
22:32 <maclover201> Any suggestions?
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22:44 <smoothice> maclover201: What's the line before the IF statement
22:44 <maclover201>     // keep rendering the cycle
22:44 <smoothice> before that
22:44 <maclover201> stuff under     //check for brake change (probably not the best place to do this)
22:45 <smoothice> hmmmm
22:45 <smoothice> k
22:45 <smoothice> I don't know
22:45 <smoothice> ct|kyle: Have you encountered anything like this before?
22:45 <smoothice> ct|kyle: While doing CT work
22:48 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+pvp] r913 Score counter sortof working, not really
22:48 <freako> someone knows, wich finish type fort needs? :)
22:48 <smoothice> 1 I think
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22:49 <freako> nope :/
22:49 <freako> tried it
22:50 <smoothice> What's wrong?
22:50 <freako> the game doesnt end, when there isnt a zone conquered
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23:19  * epsy wonders who a texan linux known game developer might be
23:19 <epsy> err
23:20  * epsy wonders who a well-known texan linux game developer might be
23:22 <Lucifer> John Carmack
23:23 <epsy> I knew someone would say that
23:23 <epsy> but I am rather doubtful about his recent enmployment at idsoftware
23:24 <Lucifer> employment?  He's the owner of id
23:24 <epsy> that's why I'm doubtful about this
23:24 <epsy> :)
23:25 <Lucifer> oh no, I lost my system tray :(
23:25 <epsy> alt+esc/f2 trayer
23:25 <Lucifer> wtf is that?
23:26 <Lucifer> trayer, hmmmm
23:26 <epsy> alt+f2 on gnome/kde starts the app launcher, if I remember correctly
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23:27 <epsy> ttimo said they employed a well-known linux game developer
23:27 <Lucifer> hmmm, not sure if trayer is better than the other
23:27 <epsy> or an experienced one at least
23:27 <Lucifer> who's ttimo?
23:27 <epsy> to work on QL
23:28 <epsy> one of id's staff
23:28 <Lucifer> I need a pager too
23:28 <Lucifer> got any ideas for a pager?  (trayer looks a little better than stalonetray)
23:28 <epsy> blah
23:29 <epsy> actually, I don't even have a pager on my 12 desks
23:29 <epsy> if I were to use one, I would just use e's
23:30 <Lucifer> hmmm, know what openbox's key command is to switch desktops?
23:31 <epsy> try the menus
23:31  * Lucifer isn't sure now if he likes trayer better than stalonetray
23:31 <epsy> openbox?
23:31 <Lucifer> menus work fine
23:31 <epsy> :<
23:31 <Lucifer> what's wrong with openbox?  ;)
23:31 <epsy> idk, never really liked all the boxes
23:32 <Lucifer> openbox looks like the best pure window manager outside of kwin/gnome that I've seen
23:32 <epsy> pure, as in, with the least features?
23:33 <epsy> because that's pretty much what I've seen with kwin/metacity, lol
23:33 <Lucifer> no, pure as in "doesn't bring a bunch of added crap like panels and menus and stuff"
23:33 <Lucifer> heh, I could be wrong, maybe metacity is a fine window manager
23:33 <epsy> so, a thing that you can fully control?
23:33 <Lucifer> but until I get my config app written, I'm going to go with openbox
23:34 <epsy> nah, it's pretty much the same as kwin
23:34 <epsy> very basic
23:34 <Lucifer> ultimately I want my own window manager, it's just that I want a usable desktop before then :)
23:34 <epsy> give a try to e :)
23:42 <Lucifer> grrr, no pagers
23:42 <Lucifer> I guess I'll have to write one :(
23:42  * Lucifer remembers pypanel having a pager and a systray in it
23:43 <epsy> or use a WM that includes a well-done page! *cough* *cough* *cough*
23:43 <Lucifer> heh
23:44 <Lucifer> I'm intending to have a config app that allows the user to select from whatever window managers are installed
23:44 <Lucifer> it'll make it easier for me to experiment with different window managers, I think ;)
23:44 <Lucifer> in fact, I'm about to start working on that config app
23:46 <epsy> WM has that I think
23:48 <Lucifer> gnome used to have it
23:49 <Lucifer> kde you have to hack to switch out window managers, but at least in kde3 it was fairly straightforward
23:49 <Lucifer> speaking of whiches, kde4 with openbox is almost usable
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23:53 <maclover201> Anyone have any info about the following linking error?
23:53 <maclover201> in Xcode?
23:53 <maclover201> ld: duplicate symbol .objc_category_name_NSString_ReplaceSubString in /Developer/Projects/armagetronad-0.2.8-superpatch/MacOS/build/Armagetron Advanced.build/Debug/Armagetron Advanced.build/Objects-normal/i386/SDLMain-9384EF3C.o and /Developer/Projects/armagetronad-0.2.8-superpatch/MacOS/build/Armagetron Advanced.build/Debug/Armagetron Advanced.build/Objects-normal/i386/SDLMain-0B065CA3.o
23:57 <epsy> hm
23:57 <epsy> superpatch?
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