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Log from 2009-02-12:
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00:03 <noob13> #tea
00:03 <@armabot> noob13: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
00:05 -!- smoothice [n=smoothic@97-118-164-240.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #armagetron
00:06 <smoothice> Wassup y'all!
00:06 <nsh22> WWWAAAZZZZZUUUUPPPP!!?!?!??!
00:06 <ct|kyle> sup smoothice
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00:11 <smoothice> wassup ct|kyle
00:11 <smoothice> I need to crack down on my pvp plugin
00:18 <smoothice> wassup nsh22
00:19 <nsh22> lol
00:19 <nsh22> why cant you use msn lol
00:21 <epsy> msn is a closed network
00:21 <epsy> avoid using it when possible
00:21 <nsh22> your a closed network!
00:21 <nsh22> :P
00:21 <BabyBug> you're*
00:21 <epsy> my a closed network?
00:21 <smoothice> your mom is a closed network
00:21 <smoothice> lol
00:22 <nsh22> ty babybug
00:22 <nsh22> my mom is dead
00:22 <nsh22> not rly but you should always assume that
00:22 <smoothice> nsh22 your mother is dead?
00:22 <nsh22> no
00:22 <epsy> you're mother is dead?
00:22 <nsh22> read
00:23 <nsh22> <nsh22> not rly but you should always assume that
00:23 <nsh22> you should assume that, and basically not say mom jokes
00:23 <epsy> oh you're mother is not really d8?
00:23 <nsh22> my friends mom is actually dead
00:23 <nsh22> its sad
00:24  * ct|kyle agrees stay away from MSN, then just might suspend your account for no reason 
00:24 <epsy> you are promoting evil stuff, demoniac
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00:27 <epsy> good night
00:27 <nsh22> night
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01:28 <flea> hey
01:28 <flea> whats the variable name for puke
01:30 <nsh22> ?
01:31 <nsh22> anyways....gnite
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01:42 <sinewav> Has there ever been a serious attempt made to promote Armagetron? What are the pros and cons?
01:44 <BabyBug> interesting q sinewav...
01:45 <sinewav> I can understand why you would want to keep the game underground, but is there any benefit to having a larger audience?
01:45 <BabyBug> Why would you want to keep the game underground?
01:47 <flea> anyone down for ctf?
01:47 <sinewav> flea: Not right now thanks.
01:48 <sinewav> BabyBug: I think the current devs like the smaller community. Am I wrong about this?
01:49 <BabyBug> sinewav, oh erm, no idea ^^
01:50 <BabyBug> one benefit of a larger audience could be....possibility more people want to dev? which would mean arma would progress faster
01:51 <sinewav> Yes, but may progress in strange ways. hmm...
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01:52 <sinewav> larger audience could also mean more of your favorite servers full of people, but also more noobs and trolls. hmm...
01:53 <sinewav> oh yeah, my "arma video" is almost done. I might upload it tonight. probably this weekend though.
01:53 <BabyBug> the kicking system in arma needs to be altered....sometimes it's impossible to get rid of people...especially in ctwf
01:54 <sinewav> yeah, that's a problem
01:57 <madmax> as long as more people meant more servers...
01:58 <sinewav> haha, we don't have enough!
01:58 <BabyBug> no rubber is the only game type where noobs don't ruin the game!
01:58 <sinewav> wow, that's true.
01:58 <sinewav> I got my friend hooked on arma and nexus is the only place he plays
01:59 <madmax> pfff, lots of campers on N9 :<
01:59 <BabyBug> imo that's a serious flaw in the design of the game
01:59 <BabyBug> or rather, a design of the game types
01:59 <sinewav> but, alpha's other game variations were a flop!
01:59 <BabyBug> flop is an understatement :P
02:00 <BabyBug> or overstatement
02:00 <sinewav> yeah, you're right
02:00 <BabyBug> depending at which way you look
02:00 <sinewav> well, I modeled flag fortress after the one game in Team Gauntlet.
02:00 <BabyBug> it's slightly annoying that N9 is the only no rubber server aswell
02:01 <sinewav> I have a "1 rubber" server. I'd be happy with more of thoes.
02:01 <BabyBug> which one?
02:01 <sinewav> AI Challenge
02:01 <sinewav> you have an AI there
02:02 <BabyBug> oh that one
02:02 <BabyBug> The one with AI_BabyBug in \o/
02:02 <sinewav> I wish I could get people to play in an arma server with default settings.
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02:03 <sinewav> \o/
02:03 <BabyBug> i find it a little boring
02:03 <BabyBug> mainly because there isn't enough people in them
02:04 <BabyBug> for the default game mode to be fun, the server needs to be full
02:05 <sinewav> yes, I agree.
02:06 <BabyBug> but then for people to start joining it needs to be fun....It's the chicken and the egg scenario ^^
02:06 <sinewav> that scenario doesn't hold water anymore. It's been solved. egg came first
02:07 <BabyBug> chicken!
02:07 <sinewav> http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A2116577
02:08 <sinewav> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/nottinghamshire/5019682.stm
02:08 <ct|kyle> sinewav: i think you are correct in that the current developers like it small
02:09 <sinewav> yeah, thought so
02:09 <BabyBug> sinewav, guru3 has shown that the BBC have no clue what they're talking about :P
02:10 <sinewav> it's not the BBC, it's a philosophical approach considering what we know about biology.
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02:11 <sinewav> hi conc
02:11 <BabyBug> that's only a theory anywhoo
02:11 <Concord> heya
02:11 <BabyBug> So it's not solved
02:11 <BabyBug> That's like saying our origin is solved :P
02:12 <sinewav> no, it's saying "reason was due to the fact that genetic material does not change during an animal's life". egg first. solved.
02:14 <BabyBug> it's still a theory!
02:14 <BabyBug> No proof
02:16 <Concord> the atom is a theory
02:17 <BabyBug> and if you knew everything about every single atom in the entire universe, at any one time...You'd be able to predict the future!
02:18 <flea> i can predict the past
02:18 <Concord> your head would also explode, I think ;)
02:18 <flea> i can predict the past
02:19 <BabyBug> sinewav, what's this "arma video" actually for?
02:20 <sinewav> BabyBug: btw, tons of proof. Biology is science. you are misteken about the word "theory"
02:20 <BabyBug> science is all theory!
02:20 <sinewav> yes, and it's true to the best of our knowledge
02:21 <BabyBug> but 50 years ago, our knowledge was completely different
02:21 <sinewav> yes, and because of that we can now solve the egg riddle
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02:22 <BabyBug> but in 50 years time it could be disproved =)
02:23 <sinewav> I'm happy with the answer until then, and I'll welcome a better answer.
02:23 <sinewav> oh, and the video is like a promotional video
02:24 <BabyBug> and besides...You blew the whole thing out of proportion by sparking a debate from the simple use of a metaphor! =P
02:24 <sinewav> I wanted to make something like a game trailer for arma
02:24 <BabyBug> oh right, cool =)
02:26 <BabyBug> hrmph...the arma3d client is borked =(
02:30 <BabyBug> #help ls
02:30 <@armabot> BabyBug: (ls <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "lastseen $*".
02:30 <BabyBug> #help lastseen
02:30 <@armabot> BabyBug: (lastseen <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player=@1+@2+@3+@4+@5+@6+@7+@8+@9".
02:32 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+pvp] r907 Added area to put score counter code
02:35 <Concord> #lastseen Hay-Lin
02:35 <@armabot> Concord: timed out
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02:59 <ct|kyle> sinewav: ready for the weather to get cold again :)
03:04 <sinewav> hate it
03:11 <Concord> I saw part of a soccer field for the first time in months today
03:11 <Concord> it was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen
03:11 <Concord> smelled really bad though
03:13 <sinewav> haha
03:15 <flea> where is the arma teamspeak server?
03:15 <sinewav> there isn't one, officially
03:15 <sinewav> Wild West has one I think
03:16 <flea> sinewav, u know what i mean tho right?
03:16 <flea> when u get drunk and wanna fight people
03:16 <sinewav> say what??? :o
03:17 <flea> sinewav, u got a effin problem
03:17 <sinewav> yeah, I think we should take it outside. like real men
03:18 <flea> hold on let me get my gun
03:18 <flea> oops almost forgot my beird
03:18 <sinewav> not very manly methinks...
03:18 <sinewav> bare knuckles
03:18 <flea> oh hold on u
03:19 <flea> let me get my knuckels
03:19 <flea> sinewav, u know who rhianonon is
03:19 <sinewav> is that your woman? she a hoe.
03:20 <sinewav> no idea actually
03:20 <flea> she got what ur gonna get
03:20 <flea> herpes
03:20 <sinewav> I'll add that to the HPV I got from your sister
03:20 <flea> shes doin fine, the kid says hi
03:21 <flea> o wait
03:21 <flea> says he will own u at tron
03:21 <flea> he said if u win, he might call u dad
03:21 <flea> o wait
03:21 <flea> he says
03:21 <flea> or maybe even father
03:22 <sinewav> I'll go easy on the little tike.
03:22 <flea> he syas where
03:22 <flea> and he says your a bastard for making him a bastard
03:23 <flea> and he inheritied down syndrome from u
03:23 <sinewav> lol
03:23 <flea> haha
03:23 <flea> ok where sinewav
03:23 <flea> hey
03:23 <flea> sis says hi
03:23 <flea> but she aint doin that thing to yer butt anymore
03:24 <sinewav> with the candle? aww. my favorite.
03:24 <flea> she is on the phone now
03:24 <flea> she says you might need to see a dr for that
03:24 <flea> also she is embarrased to say it, but she said she might sell the pics of you getting scat to the internet
03:25 <flea> dayum
03:25 <flea> dude that sounds rough
03:27 <sinewav> well, I wish I could say it was worth it, but that girl can't even move her thang right. I had to tie her up and abuse her.
03:28 <flea> she said your sex abuse was weak like yer tron
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03:28 <flea> she is awfully embarrassed
03:30 <BabyBug> What does >> do in PHP? anyone?
03:30 <sinewav> Yeah, it's hard to get up for the likes of her because she kind of looks like you. I felt gheyer than shit, especially when I flipped her over.
03:31  * BabyBug tickles Lucifer, perhaps you know ^^
04:10 <ct|kyle> #google >> PHP
04:10 <armabot> ct|kyle: Search took 0.12 seconds: PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor: <http://www.php.net/>; PHP : Downloads: <http://www.php.net/downloads.php>; PHP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP>; PHP Tutorial: <http://www.w3schools.com/PHP/DEfaULT.asP>; PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor: <http://us2.php.net/>; PHP | Parents Helping Parents: <http://www.php.com/>; PHP :: (1 more message)
04:12 <flea> BabyBug, >> is to append a message in queue for Parent Helping Parents
04:13 <BabyBug> Uhhhh..hrmph...What would i call it? so i can google for a more in depth description?
04:18 <flea> BabyBug, is it divide by X^2
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04:33 <BabyBug> *growls*
04:34 <ct|kyle> o0
04:34 <ct|kyle> /me backs away from BabyBug
04:35  * sinewav thinks she should be named BabyBear instead.
04:36 -!- BabyBug is now known as BabyBear
04:36 <BabyBear> \o/
04:36 <sinewav> lol!
04:36 <ct|kyle> babyhippo would be more accurate :P
04:36 <sinewav> :\
04:36 <armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+pvp] r908 Changes on if statement conditionals
04:36 <BabyBear> i'm too small to be a hippo!
04:36 <ct|kyle> :P
04:37 <ct|kyle> lier
04:37 <sinewav> I bet you're more cuddly too.
04:37 <BabyBear> ^^
04:37 <ct|kyle> i don't like 30 mph winds (45-50 km/h)
04:38 <ct|kyle> #g 30 mph in km/h
04:38 <armabot> ct|kyle: 30 mph = 48.28032 km/h
04:38 <ct|kyle> :)
04:38 <sinewav> yeah it sucks outside today
04:39 <ct|kyle> the wind is almost soo cold that its like ice coming down
04:41 <sinewav> I agree
04:42 <ct|kyle> good thing my transmission line broke yesterday instead of today (25 minutes from home)
04:42 <sinewav> wow, lucky (as far as car problems go)
04:43 <ct|kyle> somewhat lucky that we already fixed it once so it did not take too long
04:44 <ct|kyle> anyone up for some wild fort lounge?
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05:13 <akira_arma> ohay :(
05:13 <akira_arma> ohay*
05:13 <sinewav> hi
05:13 <akira_arma> ohayo*
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05:18 <ct|kyle> oi s0beit
05:18 <s0beit> aloha!
05:19 <s0beit> how are you?
05:19 <s0beit> =)
05:20 <ct|kyle> somewhat sick :/
05:20 <s0beit> I hope you get feeling better
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05:20 <s0beit> Good evening BabyBug
05:20 <BabyBug> Morning
05:21 <smoothice> oi s0beit
05:21 <s0beit> Hey smoothice :)
05:21 <smoothice> wassup?
05:21 <s0beit> Just got home from work.
05:21 <s0beit> How was your day?
05:21 <smoothice> Meh
05:21 <smoothice> Not bad
05:21 <smoothice> I've got senioritis
05:21 <smoothice> It's a school disease
05:22 <s0beit> Good to hear.  I have to work six days straight until Sunday.  Then I finally get a day off.
05:22 <ct|kyle> i thought that only effected the 12th grade
05:22 <s0beit> Ah, getting ready to graduate or move on to a Senior?
05:23 <smoothice> ct|kyle: I'm at the end of my school's years
05:23 <s0beit> Do you plan to go to college?  If so, what will you study?
05:24 <smoothice> Computer science
05:24 <smoothice> definitely
05:24 <s0beit> Nice, I've thought about it.
05:24 <smoothice> Yeah
05:24 <smoothice> I have to go practice my musical instrument of choice
05:24 <smoothice> Later dudes
05:24 <smoothice> :P
05:24 <s0beit> Good night
05:24 <smoothice> night
05:24 <ct|kyle> see you
05:25 <smoothice> bye kyle
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05:25 <s0beit> Kyle, whats a fun server to go play in?
05:25 <ct|kyle> wild fortress lounge :)
05:25 <s0beit> #si wild fortress lounge
05:25 <armabot> s0beit: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress Lounge: Players (0/14):
05:25 <ct|kyle> #si wild fortress lounge
05:25 <armabot> ct|kyle: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress Lounge: Players (0/14):
05:25 <s0beit> Want to go?
05:26 <ct|kyle> let me fix 2 errors there first :)
05:26 <s0beit> OK.
05:29 <ct|kyle> s0beit: ok
05:29 <s0beit> I'm coming.
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05:40 <Lucifer> #math calc (-98.42 + 4.15*36 - 0.082*158)/158
05:40 <armabot> Lucifer: 0.240658227848
05:41 <Lucifer> well, according to that formula, I'm just barely at "acceptable" body fat percentage
05:41 <Lucifer> #math calc (-98.42 + 4.15*32 - 0.082*158)/158
05:41 <armabot> Lucifer: 0.135594936709
05:42 <BabyBug> Lucifer, when are you going to port wrtl's php client to python? cause i want it and i can't do it o:) *big bug hug*
05:43 <Lucifer> when my body fat percentage is below 17%
05:43 <Lucifer> #math calc 100*((-98.42 + 4.15*32 - 0.082*158)/158)
05:43 <armabot> Lucifer: 13.5594936709
05:43 <BabyBug> >.<
05:43 <s0beit> Uh...
05:43 <Lucifer> er
05:43 <Lucifer> #math calc 100*((-98.42 + 4.15*36 - 0.082*158)/158)
05:43 <armabot> Lucifer: 24.0658227848
05:44 <Lucifer> wait, I took my waist measurement at the wrong place
05:45 <Lucifer> #math calc 100*((-98.42 + 4.15*35.4 - 0.082*158)/158)
05:45 <armabot> Lucifer: 22.4898734177
05:47 <BabyBug> sockets are evil ='(
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05:47 <Lucifer> are not
05:47 <Lucifer> in any case, you should get the pbuffers branch and generate your message packing stuff from there
05:47 <Lucifer> google's pbuffers supports writing python code
05:48 <Lucifer> I think I'm going to add a sheet for body fat percentage to my spreadsheet
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05:48 <BabyBug> yes they are!
05:49 <BabyBug> stupid things just don't work right
05:52 <BabyBug> or i'm doing it wrong.. =x
05:52 <ct|kyle> you doingitwrong
05:52 <BabyBug> prove it!
05:53 <ct|kyle> 42
05:53 <ct|kyle> pwnt :)
05:53 <BabyBug> wrong
05:53 <ct|kyle> #g the answer to life the universe and everything
05:53 <armabot> ct|kyle: the answer to life the universe and everything = 42
05:53 <ct|kyle> see
05:54 <BabyBug> I didn't ask for an answer
05:54 <BabyBug> I asked you to prove it
05:55 <ct|kyle> what are you using sockets in?
05:55 <BabyBug> python
05:55 <BabyBug> i've practically copied wrtl's php thingymajig word for word...but it doesn't work >.<
05:55 <BabyBug> So my conclusion is sockets are evil
05:56 <BabyBug> Granted, it may help a little if i had an understanding of them...
05:56 <ct|kyle> you are doing it wrong
05:56 <ct|kyle> I use them all the time
05:57 <ct|kyle> ah you are converting his php server information script to python?
05:57 <BabyBug> yesh
05:57 <ct|kyle> i thought about doing that once
05:58 <ct|kyle> that is sort of what i am using them for though
05:58 <BabyBug> i've give up cause it refuses to just work...and i've no clue how to figure out why ^^
05:58 <ct|kyle> send me code, I'll look at it sometime
05:59 <BabyBug> no! my work...cheater
06:00 <ct|kyle> your work with a grade of an F, so i thought maybe i could improve it to a B (at least)
06:00 <sinewav> :o
06:00 <BabyBug> I don't do grades!
06:00 <sinewav> well, do you do pass/fail? because...
06:00 <BabyBug> Newp
06:00 <BabyBug> Only pass!
06:00 <BabyBug> =x
06:00 <sinewav> haha
06:01 <BabyBug> Perhaps it'd help if i knew what the descriptor thingy is meant to be
06:01 <BabyBug> *prods ct|kyle*
06:02 <ct|kyle> but BabyBug lisa is not here so you can cuddle me instead
06:02 <BabyBug> Is that your way of avoiding the question because you don't know?
06:02 <ct|kyle> :)
06:02 <BabyBug> arficles
06:03 <BabyBug> ah well...at least i learned what the struct module can do
06:04 <Lucifer> struct module is very handy!
06:04 <Lucifer> you did use dgram sockets, right?
06:05 <BabyBug> yes i used dgram sockets
06:05 <Lucifer> code?
06:05 <Lucifer> :)
06:05 <BabyBug> it seems to send ok...Just when receiving...the descriptor thingy should be 5 according to wrtl's php one...but on mine when it receives it, it's 768 =x
06:05 <Lucifer> yay, now I have a weight tracker that computes both body mass index and body fat percentage
06:05 <BabyBug> i'll pastebin
06:06 <Lucifer> only requires me to take two measurements
06:06 <sinewav> if only your workout was as efficient as your spreadshett, right?
06:06  * Lucifer guesses it's fairly crude socket use, because wrtlprnft kinda threw it together in an afternoon or something like that
06:06 <Lucifer> heh
06:07 <Lucifer> sinewav: don't knock it, I've lost 50 pounds since August
06:07 <BabyBug> well then it's fairly crude socket use combined with fairly crude code.. =x
06:07 <sinewav> wow dude, that's amazing. I lost 30 pounds last year and gained 20 back.
06:07 <Lucifer> maybe you need a better spreadsheet?  ;)
06:07 <sinewav> ;)
06:07  * Lucifer admits losing most of that weight without a spreadsheet at all
06:08 <Lucifer> which is sad because it'd be nice to have a pretty chart showing my progress
06:08 <Lucifer> but I'm nto about to gain a bunch of weight just to have the pretty chart
06:10 <sinewav> I wish I could get motivated to start working out again. Winter sucks hard for me. Totally makes me hibernate.
06:10 <Lucifer> ahhh, I've been riding my bike again
06:10 <Lucifer> I love Texas winter
06:10 <Lucifer> running on days I don't ride
06:10 <Lucifer> it's beautiful weather for it, high 60s/low 70s
06:11 <sinewav> Imma move there in september I think
06:11 <BabyBug> Lucifer, http://rafb.net/p/0DIsLR55.html =x
06:12 <BabyBug> at that point...on wrtls descriptor should be 5 and len should be 25!...unless i'm understand the whole thing completely wrong
06:14 <ct|kyle> sinewav: move like the birds lol
06:14 <BabyBug> I'm guessing my severe lack of knowledge is going to haunt and embarrass me here =x
06:14 <Lucifer> I don't like this code at all
06:14 <BabyBug> see =P
06:14 <ct|kyle> see BabyBug FAIL
06:14 <Lucifer> sorry, it's not your fault
06:15 <BabyBug> HA! ct|kyle fail
06:15 <Lucifer> if you're just translating some php thingee that I'm prety sure was hacked together
06:16 <ct|kyle> that is eactly what i thought of the php code LOL
06:16 <ct|kyle> exactly*
06:18 <Lucifer> explicitly set the socket to blocking
06:18 <Lucifer> sock.setblocking(True)
06:18 <Lucifer> right after creating it
06:18 <Lucifer> then, also, make sure you're telling the struct about the endianness
06:19 <Lucifer> so, add a ! to the beginning of each struct format string
06:19 <Lucifer> that tells i "network" byte order, which is for people who can't remember that the network is big endian
06:19 <BabyBug> okies
06:19 <Lucifer> I assume z-man coded it originally to encode to big endian packets, I can't think of why he wouldn't do that
06:21 <BabyBug> YAY! descriptor 5
06:21 <BabyBug> Love you Lucifer <333333
06:22 <Lucifer> great, you love me until I tell you to use select on sockets
06:22 <Lucifer> you're going to hate me then
06:22 <BabyBug> also, he did use big endian, i just looked and realised it was a translation error by me
06:22 <BabyBug> select on sockets?
06:23 <Lucifer> yeah
06:23 <Lucifer> it's a little tricky to get your head wrapped around it, but once you do, socket programming is easy
06:23 <BabyBug> *confused*
06:23 <Lucifer> basically, you set sockets to nonblocking, then you write a loop that, on every iteration, calls select on the socket
06:23 <Lucifer> select tells you if a socket is ready to read, ready to write, or has an error
06:24 <Lucifer> then you read from the ones ready to read, write to the ones ready to write, and handle errors from the ones that have errors
06:24 <Lucifer> all the rest of your code just puts messages into outgoing queues and reads messages into incoming queues
06:24 <Lucifer> I've got some python code somewhere that shows it, but sadly all of my repositories are currently out of commission
06:25 <Lucifer> but if you ever feel like writing a pirate game, I've got one that needs work, and would like to work on it :)
06:25 <BabyBug> a pirate game? lol
06:25 <Lucifer> (I think it's pyqt4, but I may have started it with pygame, I don't remember)
06:25 <Lucifer> yeah, really waht I want is simulated ship-to-ship combat in the age of sail
06:26 <Lucifer> pirating is just a convenient wrapper for it ;)
06:26 <Lucifer> networked of course
06:26 <BabyBug> i used to know how pygame quite well...until i forgot it all =x
06:26 <BabyBug> I made a sewing game!
06:27 <BabyBug> age of sail? O.o
06:27 <Lucifer> yeah, big galleons going across the ocean with nothing but sails and cannons
06:27 <Lucifer> like pirates of the caribbean, only with an attempt to be historically accurate
06:27 <BabyBug> lol
06:28 <BabyBug> but pirates the of Caribbean is cool!
06:28 <Lucifer> I was thinking networked players could team up in little groups of pirate ships and fight against each other, or fight against spanish/british navy
06:28 <Lucifer> you could decide to just trade instead of being a pirate if you want
06:29 <Lucifer> if you've ever played oolite, basically the same game only networked, and set in the late 1500s
06:29 <BabyBug> mmmm, do you actually have anything written down to read? about design etc..? :P
06:29 <Lucifer> no, but I have code somewhere, heh
06:29 <BabyBug> *face palms*
06:30 <Lucifer> er, had code
06:30 <Lucifer> I don't know what this code is supposed to do
06:30 <Lucifer> oh wait, I remember now, heh
06:30 <Lucifer> ok, I don't have anything written down to read, and all this code did was initiate a login
06:30 <Lucifer> no gui toolkit has been chosen
06:31 <Lucifer> although pyqt4 is a good one to use, I might prefer pygame for it
06:31 <BabyBug> okies..
06:31 <Lucifer> since this project is soooooo unwritten, it might be a good time to learn about pbuffers :)
06:31 <BabyBug> pbuffers?
06:32 <Lucifer> google's protocol buffers
06:32 <BabyBug> oh
06:32 <Lucifer> takes care of writing all the messages so you just have to handle the sockets and the upper layer stuff
06:32 <Lucifer> so it's a tool that writes the middle network layer for you
06:32 <BabyBug> oh i see =)
06:32 <Lucifer> I have socket handling code I can steal from another project
06:32 <Lucifer> written in python, of course
06:33 <sinewav> I can't handle it. I'm gonne leave.
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06:33 <BabyBug> O.o
06:35 <Lucifer> hmmmm, I want to get my desktop environment going too, though
06:37 <BabyBug> and start working your job, and start the sound thingie
06:37 <ct|kyle> and fix 3d tron :P
06:38 <BabyBug> nah, i'll moan at guru3 for that
06:38 <BabyBug> or maybe z-man
06:38 <BabyBug> I think his protobuf thingie broked it
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07:22 <_TheBeyonder_> google checkout is cheaper :(
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07:37 <BabyBug> Friday 13th tomorrow! =x
08:09 <wrtlprnft> no good day to play nethack
08:10 <akira_arma> indeed
08:10 <akira_arma> btw
08:10 <akira_arma> http://clivecrous.lighthouseapp.com/projects/11277/downloads
08:11 <akira_arma> nethack GUI
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13:23 <madmax> inglorious basterds trailer out \o/
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14:03 <madmax> akira_arma: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/02/chinas_lantern_festival_and_an.html check out the building on fire
14:03 <madmax> the steel didn't melt ;D
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16:06 <cage> hi
16:06 <cage> could anyone explain me what INSTA means ?
16:07 <cage> sorry if it's dumb
16:07 <z-man> nah, it's not
16:07 <z-man> INSTA is short for INSTAnt kill
16:07 <z-man> they happen on high rubber servers
16:07 <z-man> (which the developers don't like)
16:08 <cage> thanks !
16:08 <z-man> when two players collide and the one with higher ping kills the one with lower ping without the rubber of the lower ping's player saving him.
16:09 <cage> ok that makes sense !
16:09 <cage> they seem to argue a lot about whether it's insta or not...
16:10 <z-man> yeah, just like they argue about lag and luck. let them :)
16:10 <cage> I will
16:10 <cage> thank you !
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16:30 <epsy> is it me or youtube is being buggy?
16:31 <z-man> IT'S YOU
16:31 <z-man> YOUTUBE IS FINE
16:32 <z-man> Unless you get all black videos only.
16:52 <Lizmatic> RACIST
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17:16 <epsy> ah, 2020's vid works again
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17:17 <epsy> actually, no
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18:32 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
18:32 <armabot> armagetronad: Anticipating serverside lag compensation to prevent misprediction
18:32 <armabot> armagetronad: of lag slides.
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19:19 <wrtlprnft> no more visble lag slides?
19:19 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8964 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gCycle.cpp): Manuel Moos: Reverted accidental change.
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20:02 <akira_arma> #tea
20:02 <armabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
20:02 <Corn[1]> ill play
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20:16 <BabyBug> \o
20:23 <arrow> .tea
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20:26 <arrow> fort someone?
20:27 <epsy> perhaps
20:27 <epsy> @tea
20:27 <teabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
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21:13 <nsh22> hey hey
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21:35 <Lucifer> #math calc 205.8-(0.685*34)
21:35 <armabot> Lucifer: 182.51
21:36  * BabyBug tickles Lucifer 
21:36 <Lucifer> #math calc ((183-66) * 0.85) + 66
21:36 <armabot> Lucifer: 165.45
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21:39 <nsh22> hey lucifer
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22:07 <arrow> gn
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22:14 <TaZ_> hey sinewav :)
22:15 <sinewav> hi there
22:17 <flea> hey
22:17 <TaZ_> hey
22:18 <flea> purple hey's to all
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22:25 <Lucifer> today's valentines day?
22:26 <nsh22> no
22:26 <nsh22> 2 days
22:29 <Lucifer> well that's neat, I don't have to change anything in my direct deposit
22:29 <Lucifer> even though I changed accounts
22:29 <Lucifer> what's not neat is that I only got $47 :(
22:30 <sinewav> ew. new job is workin out ok though, right?
22:30 <nsh22> ew why only 47?
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22:34 <Lucifer> they started garnishing wages
22:34 <Lucifer> new job hasn't started yet
22:34 <Lucifer> I'm skeptical that those people are ever going to start me :(
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22:34 <Lucifer> #fetch http://www.davefancella.com
22:34 <armabot> Lucifer: '<?xml version="1.0"\n?>\n<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">\n<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">\n<head>\n<title>Dave Fancella</title>\n<meta name="generator" content="http://txt2tags.sf.net" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style/main.css" />\n<link rel="stylesheet" (5 more messages)
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22:36 <ivantis2> #fetch http://space-lab.us
22:36 <armabot> ivantis2: '<html>\n<head><title>My home webserver</title>\n</head>\n<body>\n<a href="/index.php">PHP test page</a><br>\n<a href="/index.cgi">CGI test page</a><br>\n<a href="/index.pl">PL test page</a><br>\n<a href="http://irclogs.space-lab.us/">FreeNode IRC logs</a><br>\n<a href="http://cpan-mirror.space-lab.us/">Space-lab.us\' CPAN Mirror</a><br>\n<a href="/stats.php">SPACE-LAB Shooting! (1 more message)
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22:37 <BabyBug> Lucifer, no! valentines day is saturday :@
22:37 <epsy> same day than physics test
22:38 <ivantis2> physics test on caturday?
22:38 <ivantis2> dont take it
22:38 <sinewav> caturday! take your cat for a walk on caturdays
22:38 <ivantis2> take...your cat...for a walk? no
22:39 <sinewav> buy it a new fuzzy mouse toy on caturday
22:39 <ivantis2> putting a cat on a leash is a crime
22:39 <sinewav> a lot of cats don't care
22:39 <ivantis2> but cats dont enforce that law
22:40 <sinewav> yes, when they bite you.
22:42 <sinewav> caturday night fever
22:42 <nsh22> lol?
22:43 <madmax> that could well be a that 70's show episode
22:44 <sinewav> ha!
22:50 <madmax> hmm, does anyone know if you need to have your paypal account "verified" with a credit card for a normal bank transfer to it to complete?
22:50 <sinewav> http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/11590231500781.jpg
22:51 <nsh22> it shouldnt... you need to verify the bank account tho
22:51 <sinewav> I think neal is right
22:51 <nsh22> look for two deposits (of like 0.58 or some small #)
22:51 <nsh22> from paypal
22:52 <madmax> on paypal it only says that your name must match the one of the bank account :/
22:53 <nsh22> is there something that says unverified
22:53 <MaZuffeR> you don't need to verify your bank account (at least i didn't have to)
22:53 <madmax> MaZuffeR: yes, but I thought that was only to remove the transfer limits
22:53 <nsh22> if your using a bank account you do
22:53 <madmax> er, I meant nsh22
22:54 <nsh22> no
22:54 <nsh22> you need it to take money from the account
22:54 <nsh22> i think
22:54 <sinewav> madmax is in a hurry to get a new hello kitty vibrator
22:54 <sinewav> jk
22:54 <nsh22> lol
22:54 <madmax> lol
22:54 <BabyBug> a new hello kitty vibrator? O.o
22:55 <epsy> teabot, BabyBug
22:55 <sinewav> http://www.kittyhell.com/2007/11/04/hello-kitty-vibrator-reborn/
22:55 <BabyBug> =.=
22:55 <epsy> teabot, answer!
22:55 <madmax> MaZuffeR: do you have a CCard associated or it wasn't needed to complete the transfer?
22:55 <nsh22> um you have that link why?
22:55 -!- teabot [i=xclan@fiji.dreamhost.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
22:55 <MaZuffeR> i don't even have a credit card
22:56 <sinewav> it scared me, and excited my in an uncomfotable way.
22:56 <madmax> hmm, ok thanks
22:56 -!- teabot [i=xclan@fiji.dreamhost.com] has joined #aRmAgEtROn
22:56 <MaZuffeR> np
22:56 <epsy> teabot, BabyBug
22:56 <nsh22> #weather innisfil
22:56 <BabyBug> ...
22:56 <armabot> nsh22: The current temperature in Innisfil, Innisfil, Ontario is 33.6°F (4:56 PM EST on February 12, 2009). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 30.2°F. Windchill: 26.6°F. Pressure: 28.76 in 973.8 hPa (Rising).
22:57 <epsy> oh yeah I forgot I fucked up the factoids plugin
22:57 <nsh22> lol wd
22:57 <epsy> it's just that I started work on it, but never finished
22:58 <nsh22> lol
22:58 <nsh22> so what does it do, display a random blurb you create about the one person?
22:58 <BabyBug> If it's created, it's not exactly random ^^
22:59 <epsy> yes, kinda
22:59 <nsh22> im saying what he creates is random in nature
22:59 <epsy> the supybot default can only do one type of them (is)
22:59 <epsy> so I'm expanding it to be able to use has, was, wants, needs etc
23:00 <nsh22> ah
23:01 <ivantis2> #factoid
23:01 <ivantis2> #factoid ivantis2
23:01 <ivantis2> ??
23:01 <nsh22> #ping
23:01 <epsy> ivantis2: stfu
23:01 <armabot> pong
23:02 <ivantis2> #help factoid
23:02 <armabot> ivantis2: Error: There is no command "factoid".
23:02 <ivantis2> #list factoid
23:02 <armabot> ivantis2: Error: 'factoid' is not a valid plugin.
23:02 <nsh22> it isnt installed
23:02 <ivantis2> @list factoid
23:02 <teabot> ivantis2: Error: 'factoid' is not a valid plugin.
23:02 <ivantis2> on teabot?
23:02 <ivantis2> on teh master?
23:02 <epsy> first of all, it's called factoids
23:02 <ivantis2> ~list factoid
23:02 <nsh22> ]list factoid
23:02 <ljrbot> nsh22: Error: 'factoid' is not a valid plugin.
23:03 <ivantis2> @list factoids
23:03 <epsy> second, read up, because I won't repeat
23:03 <teabot> ivantis2: Error: 'factoids' is not a valid plugin.
23:03 <ivantis2> #list factoids
23:03 <epsy> SHUT UP
23:03 <armabot> ivantis2: Error: 'factoids' is not a valid plugin.
23:03 <ivantis2> where is it?
23:03 <ivantis2> i want my blurb
23:03 -!- K-Yo [n=K-Yo@unaffiliated/k-yo] has quit ["Quitte"]
23:03 <epsy> leanr to read next time
23:03 <epsy> yes, I made a typo
23:03 <sinewav> you made K-Yo quit. happy?
23:05 <epsy> nsh22, and also perhaps merging it with Herald, too :)
23:05 <ivantis2> hey you guys, maybe i should stay signed into IRC all teh time?
23:05 <epsy> no
23:05 <ivantis2> on teh G1
23:06 <epsy> you should not
23:06 <ivantis2> so whenever someone beeps me it vibrates and i can answer if a teacher isnt looking
23:06 <epsy> none wants to beep you
23:06 -!- PinkTomato [n=sam@hn-33-170.brookes.ac.uk] has joined #armagetron
23:06 <ivantis2> no one except everyone
23:07 <epsy> who here wants to beep ivantis2 ?
23:07 <ivantis2> what if you wanted to ask me something?
23:07 <ivantis2> if i had been doing that last week, i wouldnt have gotten k-lined
23:08 <ivantis2> because staff couldnt contact me
23:08 <sinewav> shh
23:08 <epsy> you were better when K-Lined
23:09 <ivantis2> you mean you realized that you missed me while i was k-lined
23:09 <epsy> no, I don't
23:09 -!- joda_bot [n=anonymou@dslb-084-061-013-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron
23:09 <ivantis2> no, you dont realize it now
23:10 <epsy> I realize I should let you back on my ingnore list
23:10 <ivantis2> so that you can realize that you miss me again? cool
23:10 <sinewav> haha
23:10 <epsy> Welcome to my ingore list, you are ignored mask #1 !
23:11 <ivantis2> oy i have a major brain-ache
23:11 <epsy> right
23:11 <epsy> let's hope I don't go crazy when seeing the bots act alone
23:11 <ivantis2> i have been wondering how public keys work
23:12 <ivantis2> how can the other key not be derived from the public one?
23:12 <ivantis2> math magic
23:14 <ivantis2> epsy: ping
23:15 <joda_bot> ivantis2: ignore list ?
23:15 <ivantis2> i was pinging it, to see if i was on ignore
23:15 <ivantis2> s/it/him/
23:16 <joda_bot> "pinging it" :D hehe poor epsy
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23:17 <ivantis2> maybe there should be a pronoun for anything
23:17 <ivantis2> like referring to boy, girl, object
23:17 <epsy> joda_bot, hrm, you don't highlight me :<
23:17 <epsy> *bot*
23:18 <ivantis2> donations are already at 116.13/150? cool
23:18 <ivantis2> who donated 13 cents?
23:18 <joda_bot> ep sy: sorry :D
23:18 <ivantis2> or maybe an uneven transfer from another currency
23:19 <madmax> Mr. Obvious
23:19 <ivantis2> @g (116.13/150)*10
23:19 <teabot> ivantis2: http://clearclimatecode.org/import/2008-07-14/ghcn/v2.prcp.inv - 10160354001 ALGIERS ALGERIA 36.70 3.60 290 10160355000 SKIKDA ...
23:19 <ivantis2> wah?
23:19 <ivantis2> failed
23:19 <epsy> joda_bot, I mean, you can't highlight me, because of the "bot" in your nick
23:19 <joda_bot> highlight ?
23:19 <joda_bot> whatever :D
23:20 <epsy> joda_bot, <-- this is a highlight
23:20 <joda_bot> Good to know, I'm half way to the ignore list :-P
23:20 <epsy> ie. the red blink and stuff
23:20 <joda_bot> epsy: My client does not blink :-), I got a GUI and am not using Console IRC :D
23:21 <ivantis2> already 77.42%
23:21 <epsy> since I don't want to be highlighted by bots, I've set *bot*'s to never be able to be highlighted by bots
23:21 <epsy> and I just realized you fell into that catergory :<
23:21 <BabyBug> Lucifer, ping! armabot 8-)
23:21 <flea> joda_bot,  highlight
23:21 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o armabot] by ChanServ
23:22 <BabyBug> ^^
23:22 <flea> joda_bot, epsy blocked u
23:22 <joda_bot> epsy: I'm fine with that I can change nicks to get your attention :D
23:22 <Lucifer> no, he blocked bots
23:22 <Lucifer> it's not epsy's fault joda is a bot
23:22 <joda_bot> hehe :-)
23:22 <joda_bot> hi Lucifer
23:23 <Lucifer> hey joda_bot (hi there!)
23:23 <Lucifer> gotta run, ltns and all
23:23 <flea> hey Lucifer
23:23 <joda_bot> run Lucifer run :-)
23:23  * joda_bot feels like some Forrest Gump character :-P
23:23 <flea> jenny's dad?
23:24 <nsh22> lawl
23:26 <flea> so i was just looking at the authentication bits that have been added
23:26 <flea> i dont update often
23:26 <flea> is there a reason why authentication db isnt on the master server?
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23:27 <epsy> authentication db?
23:27 <nsh22> hey concorsd
23:27 <flea> if i register a username, it goes to the server i'm on correct?
23:27 <epsy> through LOCAL_USER, ues
23:27 <epsy> yes*
23:28 <flea> i'm not familiar with local_user
23:28 <epsy> what did you do so far?
23:28 <flea> ?
23:29 <epsy> what do you mean with registering an username ?
23:29 <flea> if i register 'flea' on server1 and server2
23:29 <flea> i will have redundant registrations?
23:29 <epsy> describe the process of registration
23:30 <flea> i dont know the process entirely
23:30 <flea> i'm mostly asking
23:30 <epsy> because i'm not sure what you exactly mean
23:30 <Concord> hey neal
23:30 <epsy> well, either they are local accounts created with LOCAL_USER and they won't ever leave the server,
23:31 <epsy> either they are on an external authority
23:32 <flea> ah, so there is already in place a central location for registered names?
23:32 <joda_bot> epsy,flea : you've a misunderstanding
23:32 <epsy> no, there is nothing central
23:32 <flea> joda_bot, i do
23:32 <joda_bot> ok, misunderstanding recognized :D
23:32 <epsy> except if you consider DNS as central
23:33 <epsy> flea, I guess I'll simply put up an example
23:33 <epsy> let's say I register at xclan forums
23:34 <epsy> so, I have epsy for username at authority x
23:34 <epsy> epsy@x for short
23:34 <ivantis2> #echo epsy, unignore ivantis! he is bored without you! and wont annoy you any more!
23:34 <@armabot> epsy, unignore ivantis! he is bored without you! and wont annoy you any more!
23:34 <@armabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r1027 Bending the time the client claims to have turned the cylce ...
23:34 <ivantis2> #echo he promises
23:34 <@armabot> he promises
23:34 <luke-jr> #kick ivantis2 ignore evasion
23:34 -!- ivantis2 [n=ivantis@63-245-159-78.kitusa.com] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "ignore evasion"]
23:34 <dlh> heh
23:34 <flea> hah
23:34 <nsh22> lol ty luke :P
23:35 <epsy> now if I register epsy at official forums, I would have username epsy at authority forums, so epsy@forums
23:35 -!- ivantis2 [n=ivantis@63-245-159-78.kitusa.com] has joined #armagetron
23:35 <ivantis2> you see what just happened here?
23:35 <epsy> flea, see epsy@x and epsy@forums wouldn't collide
23:35 <epsy> luke-jr, ty
23:35 <luke-jr> :D
23:35 <nsh22> yes u evaded ignore and got kicked
23:35 <ivantis2> luke-jr, just said that he doesnt completely hate me
23:35 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50871681.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
23:35 <nsh22> and appropriatly so
23:35 <BabyBug> #kick ivantis2 yup! and it looks like fun!
23:35 -!- ivantis2 [n=ivantis@63-245-159-78.kitusa.com] has left #armagetron [requested by armabot: "yup! and it looks like fun!"]
23:35 <nsh22> lol
23:36 -!- ivantis2 [n=ivantis@63-245-159-78.kitusa.com] has joined #armagetron
23:36 <flea> epsy, i assumed unknowingly that the username auth was to lock down 'player names' to actual owners to avoid ladder skewage
23:36 <ivantis2> no babybug didnt just say the same thing
23:36 <ivantis2> it was different when luke-jr did it
23:36 <nsh22> ivantis, kickjs are hints to STFU
23:36 <luke-jr> flea: no, ladder does not use nicknames for auth'd people
23:36 <epsy> actual screen names are only handled at server admin level
23:37 <flea> oh ok
23:37 <flea> who runs wild west ctf?
23:37 <nsh22> manta
23:37  * luke-jr should really isolate auth and non-auth in ratings
23:37 <nsh22> theres no auth on WW servers
23:37 <luke-jr> lame
23:37 <dlh> There also is a way to reserver a name, RESERVE_SCREEN_NAME
23:37 <flea> luke-jr, epsy thanks
23:37 <epsy> flea, why?
23:37 <luke-jr> dlh: no global way
23:37 <flea> so, whats the real purpose then of LOCAL_USER
23:38 <epsy> except if server admins pair up
23:38 <dlh> right, no global way. just on individual servers
23:38 <luke-jr> flea: LOCAL_USER is just annoying
23:38 <BabyBug> there should be a global way
23:38 <luke-jr> flea: but it can be used for admin rights if you hate global ID
23:38 <epsy> BabyBug, no
23:38 <flea> ^ agrees
23:38 <BabyBug> epsy, why?
23:38 <epsy> BabyBug, a /shared/ way is OK, but a global is not
23:38 <flea> i dont want to have membership / allegiance to a forum
23:38 <epsy> flea, make your own or use local users
23:39 <luke-jr> flea: that's WHY there is no global way
23:39 <BabyBug> a global way to stop your nick being used? i don't see what's wrong with that...
23:39 <dlh> A shared way would be fine. then server admins could opt in to it if they want
23:39 <luke-jr> global way = membership/allegiance to a forum
23:39 <luke-jr> current way allows anyone to run their own authority
23:39 <epsy> BabyBug, I'll assign the BabyBug nickname to luke-jr then
23:39 <flea> luke-jr, or just a flat file list on a master server :/
23:39 <luke-jr> someone should fix RINCLUDE to make a shared way ;)
23:39  * dlh registers Player 1 on global auth
23:39 <epsy> luke-jr, what is wrong with it?
23:39 <flea> Are you the real Player 1
23:39 <epsy> dlh, I was there first!
23:40 <luke-jr> epsy: it's resource-based, which works for resource-style stuff
23:40 <luke-jr> but it means the file content can never change for any identifier
23:40 <luke-jr> we still don't have dynamic redirect resources ☹
23:40 <epsy> maybe implement something in the likes of a "-latest" configs
23:40 <luke-jr> eg, NameReserveCoalition/config/reserves-LATEST.cfg
23:40 <dlh> Player 1 is online 109.1% of the time according to http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/playerstats2.htm
23:40 <epsy> should be designed
23:40 <luke-jr> which redirects to
23:40 <luke-jr> NameReserveCoalition/config/reserves-20090212.cfg
23:41 <epsy> or whatever's last
23:41 <luke-jr> epsy: haha, same thought
23:41 <luke-jr> epsy: too bad it'd totally break backward compat, but for server stuff that matters less
23:41 <luke-jr> epsy: redirects are saner IMO
23:41 <luke-jr> "whatever's last" requires an intelligent client
23:42 <luke-jr> it also requires a means to list resources
23:42 <luke-jr> which we don't have now
23:42 <epsy> which we need
23:42 <luke-jr> agreed
23:42 <luke-jr> but as a separate thing ☺
23:42 <epsy> also too bad for the guy who publishes resources with "latest" as revision
23:42 <luke-jr> I think using HTTP redirects for LATEST is more ideal
23:42  * luke-jr notes uppercase for a reason ☺
23:42 <luke-jr> we could also use some unicode char
23:42 <luke-jr> like …
23:42 <epsy> lol
23:43 <luke-jr> or the infinity char
23:43 <luke-jr> ☺
23:43 <epsy> that would be real fun
23:43 <luke-jr> infinity char is best IMO
23:43 <luke-jr> it also forces us to get unicode resources working right
23:43 <luke-jr> who knows the current state of that
23:43 <luke-jr> bbiab
23:43 <epsy> last character ever would be terribly appropriate, haha
23:43  * nsh22 is listening to judas preist
23:44  * epsy is listening to nsh22's crap message he doesn't care about
23:44 <nsh22> you listen to writing?
23:44 <flea> yea
23:44 <flea> i'm interested
23:44 <flea> festival?
23:44 <epsy> meh, voice synth :<
23:45 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50871681.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
23:45 <flea> i am a bot, sit on my face
23:45 <epsy> is there any opensauce voice synth around? I doubt it
23:45 <flea> festival
23:45 <epsy> ah ?
23:46 <flea> oh well not sure if its oss
23:46 <epsy> similar to BSD
23:46 <epsy> says wp
23:46 -!- MaZuffeR [n=mazuffer@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
23:49 <luke-jr> Festival sucks tho ☹
23:49 <epsy> :(
23:49 <madmax> text to speech is illegal dude™
23:49 <flea> luke-jr, thats because you're using george bush voices
23:49 <luke-jr> Cepstral is easy to crack if you care ;)
23:50 <epsy> do we want media in armagetron produced with cracked proprietary software?
23:50 <luke-jr> so make any voice synth modular w/ Festival, and have some unofficial illegal Cepstral one
23:50 <flea> what is arma developed in?
23:50 <epsy> C++
23:50 <luke-jr> oh, media?
23:50 <epsy> like, Team blue wins!
23:50 <luke-jr> not actual on-demand synth?
23:50 <flea> haha
23:50 <luke-jr> nsh22 made us sounds
23:50 <epsy> could be on-demand
23:51 <luke-jr> on-demand will need a plugin interface
23:51 <nsh22> i did what?
23:51 <epsy> though I'm not sure that's really effective
23:51 <luke-jr> if you want to make an illegal plugin
23:51 <flea> sounds hard on clients
23:51 <luke-jr> flea: in theory, servers could synth it
23:51 <luke-jr> and stream to clients
23:51 <flea> oh that would be great
23:51 <flea> i got lag cause someone died and the server sent me a wav saying so
23:51 <epsy> and DrJoeTron could send them crap music, too
23:51 <nsh22> luke-jr: what did i do?
23:51 <luke-jr> nsh22: sounds
23:51 <luke-jr> or was it smoothice?
23:51 <nsh22> wasnt me lol
23:52 <epsy> or rather sine.wav ?
23:52 <nsh22> or i have some malware
23:52 <luke-jr> oh yeah
23:52 <luke-jr> sine.wav
23:52 <luke-jr> that's who
23:52 <nsh22> lol
23:52 <nsh22> ironic isnt it
23:52 <flea> sine.wav haha
23:52 <epsy> I guess I'll ask around nexuiz/warsow people about their announcers, I guess they are just edited real voices
23:53 -!- G5 [n=G5@cl-506.dus-01.de.sixxs.net] has quit []
23:53 <flea> probably mkzelda's voices
23:53 <luke-jr> lol
23:53 <epsy> eh
23:53 <flea> mkzelda : punisher of nexuiz
23:54 <luke-jr> epsy: you want to work on an infinity redirector, or me?
23:54 <epsy> I would like to rate the spec
23:54 <luke-jr> epsy: IMO, we need a general-purpose redirector too
23:54 <epsy> but I don't think having time to properly work on this
23:54 <luke-jr> so infinity would be a repository-side thign
23:54 <epsy> luke-jr, please consider a resource nickname concept
23:55 <luke-jr> …
23:55 <luke-jr> wtf?
23:55 <flea> kinda like how some people call an apple an orange
23:55 <epsy> let's say, resource repos should give their clients a list of their resources
23:55 <epsy> hmmmmm
23:55 <epsy> forget, this idea needs to forge
23:56 <epsy> actually, resource name will just fit the purpose
23:56 <nsh22> oh like for a map, it wouled be like:neals map23 insteqad of neal/race/whatever?
23:56 <epsy> screen name may be useful, tho
23:57 <epsy> nsh22, well, I'd prefer to type /vote map awesomerace than /vote map epsy/race/awesomerace-0.2.aamap.xml
23:57 <nsh22> i know, i was just wondering if thats where you were goin
23:59 <epsy> actually, it could be generated from server cache if resource repo doesnt provide it, or if server admin doesnt want

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