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Log from 2008-12-18:
--- Day changed Thu Dec 18 2008
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00:57 <TaZ> hey corn
00:57 <Corn> hey
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01:27 <mib_q5zqkw> any color codes
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02:42 -!- Nickname_ is now known as Cloaket
02:42 <Cloaket> Hayyyy
02:43 <Cloaket> Wotsup guise
02:44 <Cloaket> Ass Niggers
02:46 <Corn> dude your really annoying
02:46 <Corn> #kill Cloaket
02:46 <armabot> Cloaket will die on Thu Dec 18 02:46:45 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by Corn
02:51 <Cloaket> Cawnbread
02:52 <Cloaket> Corn is shy
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02:55 <e_n_d_e_r> has anyone compiled in windows?
02:56 <Cloaket> Compiled what?
02:56 <Cloaket> Tron source code?
02:56 <e_n_d_e_r> a dedicated
02:56 <e_n_d_e_r> 4yes
02:57 <Cloaket> Maybe
02:57 <e_n_d_e_r> lol
02:57 <e_n_d_e_r> so you havent
02:57 <Cloaket> You have to include something else
02:57 <e_n_d_e_r> ?
02:57 <Cloaket> Tron was originally compiled on unix I'm pretty sure.
02:57 <e_n_d_e_r> codeblocks
02:58 <Cloaket> What about code blocks?
02:58 <e_n_d_e_r> ive followed the wiki info and im stuck
02:58 <Cloaket> Skiddieboy
02:58 <Cloaket> Give up
02:58 <e_n_d_e_r> well, i dont want to
02:59 <e_n_d_e_r> id really like to apply some hacks to my server
02:59 <Cloaket> I'd really like to apply some hacks to every other server and fuck everything up.
02:59 <e_n_d_e_r> ok...
03:00 <e_n_d_e_r> so you cant/wont help
03:00 <Cloaket> Wont
03:00 <e_n_d_e_r> thanks
03:00 <Cloaket> I have no reason to.
03:01 <e_n_d_e_r> well then im not asking you
03:01 <Cloaket> Then gtfo
03:01 <e_n_d_e_r> nope
03:01 <e_n_d_e_r> you
03:01 <Cloaket> Make me.
03:01 <Corn> ...
03:01 <Cloaket> Corn
03:01 <Cloaket> Suck my cornbreyawd.
03:01 <Corn> Crocket
03:02 <Cloaket> Corn
03:02 <Cloaket> Come on TS
03:02 <Corn> Team sumo?
03:02 <Cloaket> veary
03:02 <Cloaket> wild west public TS server
03:02 <Corn> Fine.
03:03 <Corn> @ls Clocket
03:04 <teabot> Corn: timed out
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Corn> will you piss off
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:04 <Cloaket> SORRY
03:04 <Corn> if you are interested....
03:05 <Cloaket> DAT WUZ JUST A TEST
03:05 <Corn> @ls corn
03:05 <Cloaket> SORRY IF I OFFENDED ANY WUN
03:05 <Cloaket> XDDDDDDDDDDDD
03:05 <teabot> Corn: .:] Corn has last been seen on Nexus9 Deathmatch (NO RUBBER!) 1 hour 41 minutes ago.
03:05 <madmax> Lucifer: hello
03:05 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:05 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:05 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:05 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:05 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:05 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
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03:06 <Cloaket> lul
03:06 <e_n_d_e_r>  oh yay wb
03:06 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:06 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:06 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:06 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:06 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
03:06 <Cloaket> Nigger Monkey Monkey
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03:07 <Corn> that kid needs a hobby
03:07 <e_n_d_e_r> haha
03:07 <madmax> a hobby like smashing his head against a wall
03:07 <e_n_d_e_r> that would work
03:09 <hoax> am I a bad person for not liking the lack of physical violence you can use on the internet
03:09 <madmax> no.
03:09 <hoax> :D
03:09 <e_n_d_e_r> hehe
03:10 <madmax> http://bash.org/?4281
03:10 <hoax> damn white geeky usa kids, nigga this nigga that
03:10 <madmax> yeah not very creative
03:11 <hoax> haha yeah like that quote
03:11 <e_n_d_e_r> i guess i should just get linux
03:12 <madmax> theres was someone trying to build on windows on the forums
03:12 <madmax> you could try following that thread
03:13 <e_n_d_e_r> i dont think they were successful either lol
03:13 <hoax> doesn't wrtlprnft build windows
03:14 <madmax> no idea…
03:16 <madmax> well I'm out, gnight
03:17 <e_n_d_e_r> night
03:17 <hoax> nn
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03:18 <madmax> oh wait, before that, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0Yryb15n0s
03:19 <hoax> lol ye, multi fail
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03:29 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/slyshot/respawn-1.aamap.xml: Resource by slyshot
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03:48 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/slyshot/respawn-2.aamap.xml: Resource by slyshot
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04:17 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer] by ChanServ
04:17 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b help!*@*] by Lucifer
04:17 <@Lucifer> er., pp[s
04:17 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b help!*@*] by Lucifer
04:18 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!user@75.2.254.45] by Lucifer
04:18 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer] by Lucifer
04:21 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: pointless to do that, IP is dynamic :P
04:22 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: you don't really believe that bans are a long-term solution, do you?
04:23 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: nope, but i was just looking into that IP range earlyer
04:23 <Lucifer> ahhh, heh
04:23 <Lucifer> one of the reasons we try not to ban too much (and hopefully regularly review the banlist and remove old bans) is because they're dynamic
04:23 <Lucifer> most people, even with dynamic IP addresses, take several days at least before it changes
04:23 <ct|kyle> i was thinking if i banned 75.*.*.* i would be banning a lot more tron players than just him
04:24 <Lucifer> that's usually long enough to make the point, and whoever the smeghead is will give up
04:24 <ct|kyle> that range can change within the day
04:24 <Lucifer> anyway, the ban I laid on was pretty weak anyway, because he can just change his username and come back
04:24 <Lucifer> well, that's why I said "most people"
04:25 <Lucifer> it's usually worth it, if you can ban someone within a few hours, to go ahead and do that
04:25 <Lucifer> it's best to get them at the moment, because they seem to cool off quicker
04:25 <Lucifer> but nobody was here to do it when he was here
04:25 <Lucifer> anyway, no ban here is permanent because most people have dynamic IP addresses
04:26 <ct|kyle> heh, ya he was on CTWF today, and that IP was not used
04:26 <Lucifer> afaik, there's at least two people who might be using that name
04:27 <ct|kyle> that is the person related to http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18793&start=0
04:27 <Lucifer> grrr, why is it taking so long for my beard to grow back?  :(
04:28 <Lucifer> yeah, that's the one
04:28  * Lucifer yawns
04:28  * Lucifer is sleepy
04:39  * e_n_d_e_r is so frustrated
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05:07 <luke-jr> wow
05:07 <luke-jr> the current trunk still contains significant code from rev 2 (z-man's initial commit0
05:09 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: naturally it would
05:09 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: not necessarily
05:09 <luke-jr> I was only expecting insignificant stuff like blank lines and copyrights
05:10 <ct|kyle> ah
05:14 <ct|kyle> RichiH: Everything is fine here now, we did have a spammer an hour or so ago
05:15 <ct|kyle> wow that auto PM's for away on a staff member
05:18 <luke-jr> wow, we had a troll?
05:19 <luke-jr> a stupid troll at that, talking back to staff XD
05:19 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: yes, (21:06:53) Cloaket: Nigger Monkey Monkey
05:21 <luke-jr> yeah, just read
05:22 <luke-jr> Lucifer: try shaving it more
05:22 <luke-jr> shaving seems to make it grow faster
05:23 -!- Nickname [n=user@adsl-75-2-254-45.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #armagetron
05:23 <Nickname> veary
05:23 -!- Nickname is now known as Cloaket
05:23 <luke-jr> err
05:23 <Cloaket> By an veary
05:23 <luke-jr> RichiH: looks like we do still need you
05:23 <Cloaket> Don't
05:23 <Cloaket> I want to be friend now
05:23 <Cloaket> :)
05:23 <luke-jr> too late?
05:23 <luke-jr> you're ban evading
05:23 <Cloaket> So?
05:24 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer] by ChanServ
05:24 <Cloaket> I just want to be friend
05:24 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b *!*@*.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] by Lucifer
05:24 -!- Cloaket was kicked from #armagetron by Lucifer [Lucifer]
05:25 <luke-jr> wtf is 0irc?
05:25 <ct|kyle> i told you Lucifer
05:25 <@Lucifer> you saw his hostmask this time?
05:25 <@Lucifer> totally different than last time :)
05:26 <ct|kyle> not really
05:26 <ct|kyle> just different IP in it
05:26 <@Lucifer> user@adsl-75-2-254-45.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net vs user@75.2.254.45
05:26 -!- nalioth [i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth] has joined #Armagetron
05:26 <@Lucifer> same IP actually
05:27 <@Lucifer> maybe I should deop and let the staffers handle it?  ;)
05:27 <ct|kyle> n=user@adsl-75-2-254-45.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net  i had that the first time
05:27 <nalioth> who? what?
05:28 <@Lucifer> ct|kyle just gave the hostmask
05:28 <@Lucifer> I didn't have that the first time, I had the other one
05:28 <luke-jr> nalioth: Lucifer kickbanned him, but he's been K-lined twice today
05:28 <luke-jr> will likely be back shortly
05:28 <nalioth> not from the same IP, i'll wager
05:28 <@Lucifer> hmmm, anybody with admin/owner privileges with armabot?
05:29 <luke-jr> nalioth: ADSL dynamic it seems
05:29 <hoax> Lucifer: wrtlprnft :|
05:29 <nalioth> orly?
05:30 <luke-jr> n=user@adsl-75-3-4-241.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net  n=user@75.3.4.241  n=user@adsl-75-2-254-45.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net  n=user@75.2.254.45  n=user@adsl-75-2-254-45.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net
05:30 <@Lucifer> wrtlprnft is never here at this time
05:30 <nalioth> someone can PM me the IPs used today by this gentleman?
05:30 <nalioth> or that
05:30 <luke-jr> curious the RDNS is flaky, it seems
05:30 <luke-jr> really 2 IPs total
05:30  * Lucifer has noticed that
05:31 <@Lucifer> I hate to suggest more police, but it seems an op-bot might be helpful here
05:32 <luke-jr> or guru3 could op more people and set a policy to only kick trolls/flooders
05:32 <@Lucifer> nah, guru3 knows the first rule of command :)
05:32 <@Lucifer> never give an order that won't be obeyed
05:32 <luke-jr> heh, in #anime we op everyone pretty much
05:32 <luke-jr> works out decent
05:32 <@Lucifer> but a bot that manages ops would help a lot, because we could let lots of people do op things through the bot
05:33 <luke-jr> ah, I see what you're saying
05:33 <@Lucifer> then if an op gets out of hand, kill the bot
05:33 <nalioth> easy solution:  ban 75.2.* and 75.3.* in here
05:33 <nalioth> just don't forget to take it off in a couple of days
05:33 <@Lucifer> nalioth: our general concern is banning other armagetron players that are from teh same range
05:34 <ct|kyle> nalioth: that bans a bunch of chicago, I know quite a few players in those ISP ranges
05:34 <nalioth> Lucifer: i used my super cow powers and only found one user on one of those IPs
05:34 <nalioth> you can always +q instead of +b
05:34 <@Lucifer> wow, you have super cow powers?
05:34 <nalioth> mooooo
05:35 <luke-jr> nalioth: really? I found about 50 FreeNode users on that range.
05:35 <luke-jr> /who adsl-75-2* /who adsl-75-3*
05:35 <@Lucifer> ah, he's probably only checking this channel users
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05:35 <nalioth> yes, we're only concerend with this channel
05:35 <luke-jr> oops, forgot a -
05:35 <luke-jr> 2 people across FreeNode actually
05:36 <@Lucifer> is it possible to explicitly exclude particular IP's?
05:36 <nalioth> Lucifer: no comprende
05:36 <@Lucifer> so, like, we could do a little redirect to a different channel where people who aren't trolling could ask us to let them in
05:36 <@Lucifer> it's too much work for this particular troll, so I'm asking for future problems ;)
05:36 <xfroggy> don't worry about luke-jr, I'm here now, we will prove your innocence...don't tell them nuttin
05:36 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you asking for PM spam?
05:36 <luke-jr> xfroggy: wtf?
05:36 <@Lucifer> luke-jr: no, anybody who can PM wouldn't need the redirect
05:37 <xfroggy> it's all going to be alright, I believe you didn't do it luke-jr
05:37 <@Lucifer> xfroggy: he's guilty as sin, as usual
05:37 <luke-jr> Lucifer: ah, true; I forget cuz I allow PMs from un-regged ppl
05:37 <xfroggy> no he ain't!
05:37 <nalioth> luke-jr: of course.  a forwarding ban will work fine for that
05:37 <luke-jr> nalioth: but can we place specific-IPs in a ban-exception list?
05:38 <nalioth> sure you can
05:38 <nalioth> For tips and information on channel and user modes and management, see http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
05:38 <nalioth> join #ubuntu and see how mibbit users are treated
05:39 <nalioth> it's mode +e (but don't give it out too freely, as it's a 'get out of jail free' card from any bans/quiets, etc)
05:39 <@Lucifer> heh, what's wrong with mibbit users?  ;)
05:39 <nalioth> nothing
05:39 <xfroggy> mibbit racists
05:40 <nalioth> it's the ban avoiding mibbit using trolls we don't like
05:41 <@Lucifer> well, I'm going to eat and watch some star trek
05:41 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o luke-jr] by Lucifer
05:41 <@Lucifer> you do something :)
05:42 <xfroggy> jeez how I ended up missing out on #arma trolls :-/
05:42 <@Lucifer> if you want to ban the ip range for a few hours until the troll cools down, I'm cool with that, just say something so someone can remember to unban
05:42 <@luke-jr> ok
05:42 <@luke-jr> I'll wait and see if he rejoins
05:42 <@Lucifer> I'll be here, so y'all can ping me if you need to
05:42 <nalioth> yes, quite.
05:43 <nalioth> you know staff isn't ion the access list here, right?
05:43 <@Lucifer> it's going to be Shore Leave tonight
05:43 <@Lucifer> I did not, are they supposed to be?
05:43 <@luke-jr> nalioth: I don't think anyone present can change that.
05:43 <@Lucifer> no, only guru3
05:43 <@luke-jr> Lucifer: if we want FreeNode staff to assist in here, beyond K-lines, I think
05:44 <@luke-jr> s/beyond/other than/
05:54  * hoax runs away now luke-jr haz powah :|
05:54 <@luke-jr> -.-
05:54 <xfroggy> nah ah, now its time to boycott, not run away
05:54 <hoax> :D
05:55 <@luke-jr> ……
05:56 <xfroggy> ...
05:56 <xfroggy> @_@
05:56 <hoax> x_X
05:57 <xfroggy> :|
05:58 <hoax> xfroggy u check any decent manga recently
05:58 <xfroggy> manga...pff who watches that
05:59 <hoax> i thought u were into that shite etc
06:00 <xfroggy> :-/
06:00 <xfroggy> ...im into frogs
06:00 <hoax> get luke to hook you up :D
06:01 <xfroggy> now there's a scary thought
06:07 <@luke-jr> I used to like frogs.
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06:15 <xfroggy> :D
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08:08 <Durka_> Lucifer: ping
08:08 <@luke-jr> Durka_: PON
08:08 <@luke-jr> G
08:09 <Durka_> luke-jr: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/trunk-armagetronad-work/revision/713
08:09 <Durka_> why the hell did Lucifer do that
08:09 <Durka_> what was the point?
08:09 <@luke-jr> he wanted to f u up
08:09 <@luke-jr> no idea why that's in trunk as an ifdef
08:09 <@luke-jr> he should have made it remotely exploitable
08:10 <@luke-jr> and customizable too
08:10 <@luke-jr> so it can work with any name
08:11 <@luke-jr> might be a good idea to have an undocumented NO_ALWAYS_WIN setting to "fix" it too ;)
08:13 <Durka_> :\
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08:25 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8666 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/AUTHORS:
08:25 <armabot> armagetronad: fix AUTHORS file to cat nicely at 79 width
08:25 <armabot> armagetronad: Remove extraneous space from AUTHORS file
08:26 <armabot> armagetronad: luke-jr * r8667 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (AUTHORS textures/font.ttf): Remove GPL-incompatible Bitstream Vera font (we have our own now anyway)
08:27 <@luke-jr> I guess that makes 0.3.0 technically illegal :o
08:28 <@luke-jr> well, grey-area I suppose
08:28 <@luke-jr> maybe
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08:48 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r715 Remove GPL-incompatible Bitstream Vera font (we have our own... || [trunk-armagetronad-work] r714 fix AUTHORS file to cat nicely at 79 width...
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11:11 <babygirl> hi room
11:12 <BabyBug> hiya \o
11:13 <babygirl> hi
11:14 <armabot> armagetronad: guru3 * r8668 /www/mainsite/ (archive.php index.php): happy 5th birthday news!
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11:17 -!- guru3 changed the topic of #armagetron to: Happy 5th Birthday forums! | Latest Version: 0.2.8.2.1 | http://www.armagetronad.net/ | Gentoo? layman -ka armagetron | pastebin: http://rafb.net/paste/ | Logs: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/ | Tournaments: #armagetron.tourneys
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11:18 <BabyBug> Hrmm a news post? Someone must be ill =)
11:18 <MaZuffeR> there always a news post when something important happens ;)
11:19 <MaZuffeR> +is
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13:13 <Monkey_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=201247&sid=2238c3c03ac7588806df29e9e527ed40#201247
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13:16 <BabyBug> \o/
13:17 <PinkTomato> why such cheer?
13:17 <BabyBug> <Monkey_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=201247&sid=2238c3c03ac7588806df29e9e527ed40#201247
13:17 <BabyBug> * Monkey_arma is now known as Monkey_silent
13:19 <PinkTomato> .cfg USER_LEVEL
13:19 <tronner> PinkTomato: Sorry, no matches :S
13:19 <PinkTomato> oh.
13:19 <BabyBug> the \o/ was a joke fyi...
13:20 <BabyBug> lol
13:20 <BabyBug> the \o/ was cause you joined =P
13:20 <PinkTomato> lol :D hehe
13:20 <PinkTomato> it's silent here anyway :)
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13:34  * BabyBug pokes epsy with wepsy
13:35 <epsy> huh?
13:35 <BabyBug> exactly!
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14:05 <zmanuel> Lucifer: interesting revision 8663 :)
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14:43 <epsy> Lucifer: by the way, since you are one of the first who will have to use eEvent, I'd really like to hear your input about eEventHandler.. do not want it to be harsh to use
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14:48 <BabyBug> ct|kyle <3
14:48 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: why did you give me strep throat
14:49 <BabyBug> whut?
14:52 <ct|kyle> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strep_throat
14:52 <akira_arma> deep?
14:53 <ct|kyle> ?
14:53 <BabyBug> Well that was stupid to get that now ct|kyle
14:54 <ct|kyle> i don't wanna go to the doctor either :(, they stick a long tube to scrape the back of the throat, to verify it is strep
14:55 <ct|kyle> LOL, I wonder if my feet stink
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15:20 <TaZ> hi
15:28 <TaZ> @ls -=VcL.TaZ
15:28 <teabot> TaZ: -=VcL.Tazelle has last been seen on  Wild West  =Team Sumo= 11 hours 26 minutes ago.
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16:48 <BabyBug> ct|kyle, your feet always stink
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17:21 <Lizmatic> o/
17:23 <epsy> hi Lizmatic
17:26  * BabyBug cuddles Lizmatic 
17:27 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: how did you know :P
17:27 <BabyBug> cause i can smell them all the way here!!
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17:32 <ct|kyle> you sure you arn't smelling your own (or your baby)
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17:33 <BabyBug> Yes.... ><
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17:54  * Lizmatic just made lasagna \o/
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17:57 <BabyBug> clever gurl! \o/ xD
17:57  * PinkTomato loves lasgna \o/
17:57 <Lizmatic> tron-lasagna party at my house! \o/
17:58 <@luke-jr> of Arma hosting, sine.wav has the top bandwidth usage so far XD
17:58 <@luke-jr> average 3.5 GB/mo
17:58 <@luke-jr> he has 4 servers hosted tho
17:59 <@luke-jr> VcL clan, with only one server, is averaging 2.11 GB/mo
17:59 <Lizmatic> sine.wav hosts servers?
17:59 <@luke-jr> and my special 0-slot test server is averaging 80 MB/mo
17:59 <@luke-jr> Lizmatic: Adventures in TRON
17:59 <epsy> of *
17:59 <@luke-jr> o
18:00 <Lizmatic> ah
18:00 <BabyBug> luke-jr, got a pricing scheme based on bandwidth yet?
18:00 <@luke-jr> BabyBug: probably not until mid January
18:00 <@luke-jr> might cut Delicious Desserts a deal sooner tho
18:00 <@luke-jr> they had a lot of servers, so per-slot wouldn't work out well for them
18:01 <@luke-jr> have*
18:01 <PinkTomato> you can't give us a deal cheaper :P
18:01 <@luke-jr> oh; someone chatting in Race II the other day was acting interested XD
18:01 <PinkTomato> ah, interesting :)
18:02 <PinkTomato> considering {DD} don't pay for hosting :)
18:02 <@luke-jr> I guess their concern was some {DD} servers that were no longer up?
18:02 <@luke-jr> dunno
18:03 <PinkTomato> Oh right, Yeah, some of them did close down, mainly because no one used them
18:03 <@luke-jr> lol
18:03 <@luke-jr> apparently 1 person did XD
18:04 <Lizmatic> I want a server too, caleld "LizMania"
18:04 <Lizmatic> :(
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18:05 <PinkTomato> LizMania?
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18:05 <Lizmatic> LizMania!
18:05 <BabyBug> lol
18:05 <BabyBug> LizCrazy more like =D
18:05 <epsy> no moar op for luke :o
18:06 <PinkTomato> hmm.. what sort of server would LizMania?
18:06 <PinkTomato> be?
18:06 <luke-jr> hm
18:06 <luke-jr> swampland cancelled, but I forgot to stop them :x
18:06 <luke-jr> wtf happened
18:07 <PinkTomato> 104 Read error
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18:08 <Lizmatic> PinkTomato: a really cool and popular server
18:08 <Lizmatic> \o/
18:09 <PinkTomato> \o/!
18:13 <P4> Lizmatic: send some naked pics in ascii-art every round and you get the server full :)
18:16 <Lizmatic> idk.. BabyBug has copyright on my naked pics, so I might be facing some legal issues
18:16 <BabyBug> shhhhhhh
18:16 <BabyBug> lol
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18:26 <luke-jr> hrm
18:26 <luke-jr> I get the feeling bandwidth-based will sink me
18:27 <PinkTomato> set a MAX fee limit?
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18:27 <luke-jr> while it would reduce the cost a bit for low-usage servers, at least sine.wav and djvision would be nearly doubled
18:27 <luke-jr> which means they'd probably shutdown
18:27 <luke-jr> sine.wav and vcl*
18:27 <luke-jr> I might get a lot more smaller servers
18:28 <luke-jr> but they won't make up for the cost of the higher-usage ones
18:28 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: a max fee limit would be pointless
18:28 <luke-jr> then I would have to compensate for the higher-bandwidth users by raising the per-GB prices
18:28 <luke-jr> and I'm effectively back at per-slot
18:29 <PinkTomato> depends a customer paying less is better than no customer at all
18:29 <luke-jr> PinkTomato: if I lose the higher-paying customers, I go out of business
18:30 <luke-jr> it would take maybe 50 of these lower-bandwidth customers to cover the costs
18:32 <PinkTomato> hence, set them at max fee. If your server can handle the new low-payers, and if it does not increase hosting charges, having a low-popularity tier can surely only increase business?
18:32 <luke-jr> hm
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18:33 <luke-jr> the problem is, my statistics imply the low-usage customers are covering part of the cost for the high-usage customers
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18:34 <BabyBug> luke-jr, you say bandwidth based would sink you...You're not exactly afloat as you are =P
18:34 <PinkTomato> well that doesn't matter if low-usage customers are prepared to pay that
18:35 <PinkTomato> Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it.
18:36 <TaZ> Lucifer: did you check chacha.com yet?
18:37 <TaZ> btw hi PinkTomato :)
18:37 <PinkTomato> hi TaZ :)
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19:17 <luke-jr> ah, the joys of badmining
19:18 <luke-jr> unfortunately, the n00bs in DD HR don't seem to enjoy it :/
19:18 <luke-jr> retards w/ no sense of humour
19:18 <PinkTomato> dayman is going to leave a forum post
19:19 <luke-jr> you mean Sunshine
19:19 <luke-jr> :D
19:19 <PinkTomato> lol :D
19:19  * PinkTomato checks logs to see the havoc that was caused
19:24 <luke-jr> I only adminkilled once today, cuz he basically told me to
19:25 <PinkTomato> ah, so you weren't a completely badmin :)
19:25 <luke-jr> nah, just renamed everyone
19:26 <luke-jr> like I said, they have no sense of humour
19:26 <luke-jr> "omg my clan tag is gone ☹((("
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19:37 <TaZ>  luke-jr come play sumo
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19:39 <luke-jr> TR2N looks like it will suck :/
19:41 <PinkTomato> luke-jr: I have only seen that small little person with camera video, so not sure what it is about :). Haven't actually seen tron either...
19:41 <luke-jr> o
19:41 <luke-jr> well, it *looks* like the light cycles are mostly just used as ordinary bikes now
19:41 <PinkTomato> I suppose because that's more akin to video games of the current era
19:42 <luke-jr> meh
19:42 <PinkTomato> 90degree turns are better though :)
19:42 <luke-jr> reminds me of those speeders on the Ewok planet in Star Wars 6
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19:43 <luke-jr> z-man: What do you think?
19:43 <luke-jr> I just saw the TR2N trailer, and I think it suggests TR2N will suck
19:44 <z-man> Is a full trailer out?
19:44 <luke-jr> the leaked one
19:44 <luke-jr> z-man: they just use the lightcycles as ordinary bikes
19:44 <z-man> The one filmed off screen where you can barely make out anything?
19:44 <luke-jr> yeah
19:44 <z-man> yep. suckery.
19:44 <luke-jr> smashing side-by-side to try to knock the other guy off ☹
19:52 <TaZ> .google youtube tr2n
19:52 <tronner> TaZ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZL1W5gwN7g - YouTube - TR2N
19:52 <TaZ> ya, it will suck
19:53 <TaZ> But you know what won't suck. Terminator Salvation.
19:54 <epsy> luke-jr, haha :D
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19:56 <luke-jr> TaZ: wtf?
19:57 <TaZ> luke-jr: ?
19:57 <epsy> graphics-wise it won't suck, that's all I can tell, other than they are quite breaking out of the original theme
19:57 <luke-jr> Terminator Salvation?
19:57 <TaZ> Hell yea
19:57 <TaZ> .google youtube terminator salvation
19:57 <tronner> TaZ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riyZ7a2bnAc - YouTube - Terminator 4 (Salvation: The Future Begins) is Coming 2009
19:58 <TaZ> Hmm
19:58 <TaZ> .google youtube terminator salvation trailer
19:58 <tronner> TaZ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyI7R1M2lt4 - YouTube - Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins Teaser Trailer
19:58 <TaZ> Watch the second one.
20:00 <BabyBug> Lucifer...yooohooooo
20:03  * TaZ hopes people over in Europe watch Terminator.
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20:08  * luke-jr wonders if Foundation will be any good.
20:08 <P4> guys, can you unban 18Dec08 052438 * Lucifer sets mode: +b *!*@*.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net ?
20:09 <P4> sinewav is trying to join
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20:10 <luke-jr> Lucifer: I lost my ops somehow, need you
20:10 <epsy> n=sinewav@adsl-76-197-249-128.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net .. cloaket hadn't had a 76. address
20:10 <epsy> guru3: ping
20:10 <guru3> pong, but i have to go to dinner now
20:10 <P4> cloaked got 75 afair
20:10 <epsy> yeah
20:10 <luke-jr> guru3: need that ban removed I think
20:10 <guru3> just leave me a pm aboot it, g2g
20:11 <luke-jr> guru3: -.-
20:11 <luke-jr> op me and I'll do it
20:11 <luke-jr> he obviously wants to join now
20:11 <epsy> guru3: /mode +e n=sinewav@adsl-76-*.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net
20:16 <TaZ> luke-jr: Foundation?
20:18 <luke-jr> TaZ: yes
20:18 <luke-jr> 2011
20:19 <luke-jr> based on the best sci-fi series of all time
20:20 <luke-jr> the Foundation story was mainly about psychohistory
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20:31 <ct|kyle> BabyBug: my feet don't stink, i don't have strep
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20:40 <TaZ> hmm
20:41 <TaZ> I have heard of foundation before though...
20:42 <Lizmatic> congratz
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20:42 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!*@*.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net] by Lucifer
20:43 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b *!user@75.2.254.45] by Lucifer
20:44 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: blocking all of chicago?
20:45 <@Lucifer> ct|kyle: those are ban removals :)
20:45 <@Lucifer> those are the ones I set that you said were useless
20:45 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: just realized that
20:45 <@Lucifer> see?  They were useful, they kept sinewav from joining :)
20:45 <TaZ> aww
20:46 <TaZ> Sinewav>Lucifer :D
20:46 <ct|kyle> i did not see that *!*@*.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net
20:50 <@Lucifer> epsy: I haven't been seeing your segfault in the trunk
20:50 <epsy> will distclean then
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20:57 <epsy> Lucifer, regarding eEventHandler, the biggest deal is handling of arguments through each step, and what to etablish for a callback's signature
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20:59 <epsy> I thought of just passing the eEventType and the list of arguments, or a new object that also handles argument's types
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21:01 <epsy> but I'm not sure it is very convenient
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21:20 <@Lucifer> epsy: generally speaking, in an event-based system, the only argument passed is the event
21:20 <@Lucifer> and you make special event types for cases where the base event isn't good enough
21:21 <@Lucifer> you cast them to the base type for passing, and event handlers generally have to cast them to their real type
21:21 <@Lucifer> OR
21:21 <epsy> the event type is basically something like "frag" or "base_conquered"
21:21 <@Lucifer> you can have the event dispatcher cast the event before calling the handler
21:21 <@Lucifer> well, the base event type shoudl be prepared to handle all events that don't require special arguments
21:22 <@Lucifer> in which case it'll have a member that tells you what type it is
21:22 <@Lucifer> consider in a windowing system
21:22 <@Lucifer> a mouseclick event needs to include the location, the button pressed, and is usually separated into mouseup and mousedown events
21:22 <@Lucifer> but window resize event only needs the new size in it
21:22 <@Lucifer> so thsoe are usually two different types
21:23 <epsy> I thought of templates, which would say "argument 1 is a team, argument 2 is a number"
21:23 <@Lucifer> I imagine that most of our events will be just the type, the player involved, possibly a list of affected players, and the location on the grid
21:23 <@Lucifer> all the sound events will need those, and that's it, afaict
21:24 <epsy> well, if we can recognize a player from an event's argument, you should be abble to fetch it's position
21:25 <@Lucifer> true, but the event should have a position for where the event happens
21:25 <@Lucifer> imagine a situation where a player triggers an event that happens on the other side of the grid
21:25 <@Lucifer> like in shooting, heh.  :)  The player that caused the event is the shooter, the affected player is the one that gets hit
21:26 <@Lucifer> but the position of the event is the position of the shot, not the player that shot
21:26 <epsy> yeah, that's a frag
21:27 <epsy> so we basically have "frag_shot: pro noob"
21:27 <epsy> frag_shot's template says both arguments are players
21:28 <epsy> and uhm, you have to guess the second argument died
21:29 <@Lucifer> that sounds like more work than is needed
21:29 <@Lucifer> seriously, make two members, one that's a gPlayer*, and one that's tList<gPlayer*>
21:29 <@Lucifer> (I think it's gPlayer, might be ePlayer*)
21:29 <@Lucifer> then you don't need arguments to solve the problem, they're in the event
21:31 <epsy> so you would make inheriters from eEvent instead of eEventHandler
21:31 <epsy> err
21:31 <epsy> instead of eEventArgumentList
21:31 <@Lucifer> subclasses :)
21:31 <@Lucifer> I haven't looked closely at your code, so I can't answer that well :/
21:31  * Lucifer goes and looks around
21:31 <epsy> perhaps should the base class have no arguments by default
21:32 <epsy> that'd be the sanest
21:33 <epsy> now what about binding to other languages as C++ ? I don't know much about that but I really doubt we can make subclasses of C++ classes
21:34 <@Lucifer> sure we can, we can do it in ruby right now
21:34 <@Lucifer> bindings are useless if you can't subclass like that
21:34 <@Lucifer> at least, when the bindings are to other OOP languages
21:34 <@Lucifer> but it's a one-way street, you can't bind a non-OOP language to an OOP language, although you can go the other way around
21:35 <epsy> so you think it may work in most OO programing languages, such as ruby, python and php?
21:36 <@Lucifer> yes, it does, and SWIG handles the details for us
21:36 <@Lucifer> I've done plenty of subclassing of wxWidgets classes in python, and also of Qt classes in python, it works fine :)
21:37 <@Lucifer> (PyQt doesn't use swig, it uses something else, but wxPython uses swig)
21:37 <epsy> I see
21:37 <@Lucifer> ok, I'm not getting the flow of an event from reading eEvent.h
21:38 <@Lucifer> is there a blueprint that goes into detail about this?  ;)
21:38 <epsy> so I could access http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=EEvent#General_Concept_Overview
21:38 <epsy> woops
21:38 <epsy> so I could access tString and such from Ruby?
21:38 <dlh> yes
21:40 <@Lucifer> not just access, you can subclass tString and such
21:40 <@Lucifer> some of us are looking forward to subclassing the AI classes :)
21:40 <epsy> well, that's quite much less stuff to worry about
21:41  * Lucifer remembers dlh experimenting with that at some point
21:41 <dlh> well it is all in trunk
21:41 <epsy> ok, trunk seems to run
21:41 <@Lucifer> at some point, I started writing an event dispatch class
21:42 <epsy> Lucifer, by the very end of the file there should be a test example
21:44 <@Lucifer> it looks kind of backwards
21:44 <@Lucifer> generally, you want, in your main loop, something that collects all generated events
21:44 <@Lucifer> an event dispatcher :)
21:45 <@Lucifer> it has a list of event types associated with event handlers, and it calls every handler, passing it the event
21:45 <@Lucifer> it looks like you've got the event itself knowing it's handlers
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21:45 <epsy> that's quite resource-intensive, isn't it?
21:45 <@Lucifer> anyway, then there's parenting relationships, where when you have an object tree (which we don't), you pass the event to the parent, and then walk the tree until someone says they've handled the event
21:45 <epsy> should one part of the code need to listen for some kinds of events, it should just ask
21:45 <@Lucifer> it's not too resource-intensive
21:46 <@Lucifer> keep in mind that every GUI app you use has an event loop in it
21:46 <@Lucifer> and it likely works much as I've described :)
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21:47 <@Lucifer> there are ways to optimize it when needed, by setting event priorities and stuff
21:47 <@Lucifer> you know delegate particular events to be handled in a later iteration because we have too many events that need to be handled right now
21:48 <@Lucifer> but don't fall into the trap of premature optimization, event loops are central enough to gui programming that it's really pretty much decided they're not too intensive
21:48 <epsy> I can hardly understand why the map rotator would care about a player turning, see what I mean?
21:49 <@Lucifer> no, because the map rotator wouldn't have told the dispatch that it cares about the player turning
21:49 <@Lucifer> so it won't know about it at all
21:49 <epsy> yeah, that's basically what I had in mind
21:49 <@Lucifer> for something to handle an event, it has to first tell the event dispatcher what events it's listening for, and what method to call when they're received
21:50 <epsy> yeah
21:54 <@Lucifer> hmmm, I'd already written a header for an event dispatcher, but it appears to be gone :/
21:55 <@Lucifer> z-man: now we need to get someone to build a server like that :)
21:55 <Lizmatic> .tea
21:55 <tronner> Lizmatic: Fortress Café: Players (14/32): -=Lo||, <<~luAp~>>, CTxGonZaP, CtxWoned, CT_emmy, Desolate (Desolate@forums), Eddie, Flex, free kill, madmax, Tiger, ubuntu_us3r, ~*OmegA*~
21:55 <Lizmatic> yayy
21:55 <epsy> tEventManager.h perhaps?
21:55 <Lizmatic> gogogoog
21:56 <@Lucifer> I don't see such a file anywhere
21:57 <epsy> tEventQueue?
21:57 <@Lucifer> I also got a conflict when I pulled eevent
21:58 <@Lucifer> tEventQueue looks like your stuff
21:58 <@Lucifer> tEventManager.h sounds familiar, but doesn't appear to exist anymore
21:58 <@Lucifer> if it does, it somehow didn't make it into my branches on my hard drive
21:58 <epsy> err..is eEventNotification growl stuff?
21:59 <@Lucifer> I don't know, what's growl?
21:59 <dlh> yes it is
21:59 <@Lucifer> oh, some mac thing
22:00 <epsy> off-topic: does growl support DBus ?
22:01  * Lucifer guesses not
22:01 <epsy> hrm
22:01 <@Lucifer> would we want to support dbus as an alternative to growl for non-mac users?
22:02 <dlh> http://the.taoofmac.com/space/Projects/DBUSGrowl ?
22:02 <dlh> looks like it does
22:02 <epsy> blah, it's not expecially needed anyway, is it?
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22:26 <Zombie> Hello.
22:27 <Zombie> Is there a way to get Joypad support in Armagetron?
22:28 <epsy> in stable you can't except if you map joypad input to keyboard input
22:28 <Zombie> Thats unacceptable.
22:28 <Zombie> This is part of a WahCade Cabinet.
22:28 <epsy> what?
22:29 <Zombie> Are you familiar with the concept of a Mame Cabinet?
22:29 <epsy> anyway, on the trunk, and from 0.3 on, joypad support should be straight forward
22:29 <Zombie> I guess I have to wait for 0.3
22:30 <epsy> 0.3.x is unstable
22:30 <epsy> odd version numbers means unstable
22:31 <Zombie> How unstable?
22:31 <epsy> well, not guarranted to always work, and not officially released
22:33 <Lizmatic> cafe crashed.
22:33 <Lizmatic> again.
22:33 <dlh> did cafe just crash, or did I time out
22:33 <Lizmatic> ^
22:34  * BabyBug blames lisa
22:34  * Lizmatic kicks BabyBug in the genitals
22:34 <Lizmatic> come back everyone :>
22:34 <epsy> same thing again
22:34  * BabyBug returns the favour to Lizmatic 
22:34 <epsy> #notes wrtlprnft
22:34 <armabot> epsy: Sent 1 day, 3 hours, and 10 minutes ago: <epsy> café now crashed at least 6 times since yesterday, with return code 0, according to your logs and Sent 1 day, 3 hours, and 1 minute ago: <epsy> 7 times now
22:34  * Lizmatic enjoys it
22:35 <BabyBug> oo la la
22:35 <epsy> and wrtl is still at "work", considering his away message :)
22:35 <Zombie> How long until 0.3 reaches a stable mark, is it anywhere close?
22:35 <dlh> is the server hosted on resource-limited vps?
22:35 <BabyBug> Zombie, 7 years
22:35 <BabyBug> maybe more
22:36 <epsy> Zombie, when it gets branded as 0.4
22:36 <Zombie> Don't patronize me.
22:36 <hoax> woot that means it's not me crashing stuff
22:36 <epsy> IE. when it is ready
22:36 <BabyBug> Zombie, i'm not...they take forevvvverrrr
22:36 <Zombie> I've been dealing with different developer teams for this WahCade Cabinet for a while.
22:39 <Lizmatic> you left me BabyBug..
22:39 -!- antric [n=anonymou@S0106001839c1653e.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
22:39 <BabyBug> it crashed
22:39 <BabyBug> my client
22:39 <Lizmatic> aww
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22:57 <@Lucifer> sounds like different developer teams have been dealing with Zombie's ego for awhile, too
22:58 <BabyBug> lol two faced =P
22:59 <@Lucifer> ?
22:59 <BabyBug> waiting till after he left to say that =P
22:59 <@Lucifer> ahh, check the time he left and the time I said that
22:59 <@Lucifer> clearly you haven't been here long enough, I'd have said it if he were still here :)
23:00 <@Lucifer> or I'd have said something directly to him about it, something like that
23:00 <BabyBug> mmmhmmm...So what about all them people you moan about in PM to me then? You don't anything straight to them =P
23:01 <@Lucifer> liar!  liar!
23:01 <@Lucifer> you're so lying!
23:01 <BabyBug> hehehe
23:01  * Lucifer isn't worried, if anybody here doesn't yet know that Lucifer prefers *not* to talk in PM, then they should be kicked
23:02 <@Lucifer> luckily, Im' bullet proof
23:02 <@Lucifer> nobody ever gets away with accusing me of two-faced behavior :)
23:02  * PinkTomato has no cafe
23:02  * PinkTomato is sad :(
23:02 <BabyBug> cafe crashed again ><
23:02 <Lizmatic> i'm not going back
23:02 <Lizmatic> bs..
23:02 <PinkTomato> no lizmatic! :'(
23:03 <BabyBug> Lucifer, Surely there must be some things you like to talk in PM about...
23:03  * Lizmatic wiggles her eyebrows
23:03 <@Lucifer> hmmmm, no
23:04 <BabyBug> cyber sex? ^^
23:04 <@Lucifer> although, mostly people who PM me are spamming me with tech support questions that need to be asked here...
23:04 <@Lucifer> cyber sex?  I never understood the point of that
23:04 <@Lucifer> oooo, I'm supposed to type sexy things one-handed while someone else does the same, and that's going to get me off?
23:04 <BabyBug> lol
23:05 <@Lucifer> maybe if I were still 12 it would work
23:05 <Lizmatic> was that an invitation BabyBug?
23:06 <BabyBug> nooooooooooo no no no no
23:07 <@Lucifer> now, web cam might be different, never tried that
23:07 <@Lucifer> don't know where any of mine are right now, though
23:07 <PinkTomato> people can do disgusting things with webcams...
23:09 <BabyBug> webcams are always a bad idea...
23:09 <BabyBug> Unless you enjoy the risk of being humiliated \o/
23:09 <@Lucifer> wear a mask?  ;)
23:09  * Lucifer looks around for his Darth Vader mask
23:09 <BabyBug> haha
23:09 <@Lucifer> oh yeah, I gave it to my son
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23:15  * BabyBug pokes luke-jr 
23:19  * Lizmatic has a cam in her beautiful iMac screen
23:19 -!- cusco [n=Tiago@25.98.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
23:19 <Lizmatic> can't really get rid of it xD
23:20 <PinkTomato> use duck tape
23:20 <@Lucifer> show your boobs to it
23:20 <@Lucifer> cameras hate that
23:20 <@Lucifer> wait, let me hack into your computer real quick before you try that
23:22 -!- Corn [n=Corn@pool-71-252-54-130.washdc.east.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
23:22 <Lizmatic> ha
23:22 <Lizmatic> but no.
23:22 <Lizmatic> :D
23:24 <Corn> hey guys
23:24 <@Lucifer> are you the great Cornholio?
23:25 <Corn> but yes
23:25 <@Lucifer> would you like some tp for your bunghole?
23:25 <Corn> haha
23:26 <Corn> did you see monkey's thread
23:26 <Corn> :P
23:28 <epsy> yeah, and he's not away here anymore, it seems
23:29 <Corn> i bet he'd like to put in his 2 cents too bad hes a monkey_silent
23:30 <epsy> yeah, flex hasn't renamed, though
23:31 <Corn> ?
23:31 <Flex> oh, i need to rename?
23:31 <epsy> see first reply
23:31 <@Lucifer> he doesn't have to rename
23:31 <epsy> shh, you're silent
23:31 <@Lucifer> he just doesn't have to talk
23:31 <@Lucifer> I'm not silent!
23:31 <Corn> Silence!
23:31 <PinkTomato> no!
23:31 <@Lucifer> when I want to play arma without talking, I pick a random name
23:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [+m] by Lucifer
23:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [+v Monkey_silent] by Lucifer
23:32 <@Lucifer> haha
23:33 -!- mode/#armagetron [-v Monkey_silent] by Lucifer
23:33 -!- mode/#armagetron [-m] by Lucifer
23:33 <epsy> lol
23:33 <@Lucifer> ok, that was funny for about 5 seconds
23:33 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o Lucifer] by Lucifer
23:33 <epsy> we couldn't laugh with :O
23:33 <BabyBug> ...
23:33 <epsy> BabyBug demands takeover
23:34 <BabyBug> horrah!
23:34 <Lucifer> what does she want me to take her over?
23:34  * z-man packs the laptop, see you in two weeks!
23:34 <epsy> bobai
23:34 <Lucifer> have fun z-man
23:34 <Lucifer> give my love to the Lisbions
23:34 <PinkTomato> on holiday?
23:35 <PinkTomato> have a nice one :)
23:35 <ct|kyle> o0 z-man is leaving us for that long
23:35 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50873012.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"]
23:35  * Lucifer can see z-man walking around Lisbon saying "Lucifer wanted me to give you his love"
23:35 <madmax> lol
23:35 <ct|kyle> heh
23:35 <epsy> so, two more weeks for which .2.8.3 is guarranted not to be released
23:36 <Lucifer> yeah, only in version numbers, the leading 0 is significant
23:36 <ct|kyle> epsy: is 0.2.8.* stable enough for me to remerge CT+sty into it?
23:36 <epsy> so, two more weeks for which 0000.0002.0008.0003 is guarranted not to be released
23:36 <Lucifer> haha, smart-ass
23:37 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: the problem has always been CT+sty isn't stable enough :)
23:37 <Flex> now that monkey's crusade is over, (helping the community) he's free now.. was it worth it monkey? :p
23:37 <epsy> ct|kyle, stable enough for ct+sty, as luci says
23:37 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: :), fixing some other stuff in it comes next
23:37 <epsy> uhm, more seriousely..
23:37  * Monkey_silent ...
23:37 <ct|kyle> o0
23:38 <Flex> lol
23:38 <Flex> speaking of free, i'm free too! :p
23:38 <epsy> dude it gets funnier as it goes
23:38 <Lizmatic> Monkey_silent: sssh
23:39 <epsy> Monkey_silent: we are too shitty for you
23:39 <Flex> that's nice
23:40 <epsy> ct|kyle, https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_supervisor=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.milestone%3Alist=1116&field.omit_d
23:40 <epsy> upes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch.used=&field.has_cve.used=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&search=Search
23:40 <epsy> holy
23:40 <Lucifer> wtf?
23:41 <epsy> ct|kyle, https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bugs?orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.milestone%3Alist=1116&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&search=Search
23:42 <epsy> damn extra long URLs O_o
23:42 <Lucifer> damn them!
23:42 <Lucifer> damn them straight to New Jersey!
23:49 <Flex> monkey is talking in the vip channel.. you're all missing out
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23:51  * epsy got tricked
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23:53 <K-Yo> #ls emmy
23:53 <armabot> K-Yo: CT_emmy seems to be on  Wild West  =Sumo= right now.
23:53 <K-Yo> haha
23:53 <epsy> fail, I'd say
23:53 <epsy> @as
23:53 <epsy> #armaservers
23:53 <armabot> epsy: This data is 10 seconds old; |FA| Devils Rings! (15/16), Wild West  =Sumo= (10/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (10/10), - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | - (9/16), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress. (8/14), internalDrive -=- iD Tech Camps (8/16), Crazy Tronners Open Sumo (7/12), |FA| BLACK TAR (6/16), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}Dog Fight< (DF) (6/12), The YELLOW Submarine (6/16), (2 more messages)
23:54 <epsy> I have a bash alias for killing teabot..
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23:56 <K-Yo> @as
23:56 <epsy> takes time to sync
23:56 <teabot> K-Yo: This data is 49 seconds old; |FA| Devils Rings! (16/16), Wild West  =Sumo= (10/14), Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (10/10), |FA| BLACK TAR (8/16), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}Dog Fight< (DF) (8/12), - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | - (8/16), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress. (8/14), internalDrive -=- iD Tech Camps (8/16), {Delicious Desserts} Racing II (7/14), The YELLOW Submarine (7/16), {Delicious Desserts} (1 more message)
23:56 <epsy> zomg moar K-Yo
23:56 <teabot> epsy: High Rubber (6/10), ~*SpeederS*~ Server (6/12), Crazy Tronners Open Sumo (6/12), [] Cheers! [] The friendly server. (6/12), SPACEZONE III (6/15), Swampland Mud Puddle (5/8), SOJOWY (4/3), AfroTHUNDER! (3/10), ~bZ. By Panda ~Boozker.  "Fun-ny!" (3/8), {D}Server Deathmatch (3/8), FRO Clan High Rubber (1/10), SPACEZONE II S (1/15)
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