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Log from 2008-09-28:
--- Day changed Sun Sep 28 2008
00:06 -!- Joshua_x_ [n=Joshua@99-195-7-249.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #armagetron
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00:40 -!- emmy_arma [n=peiaeman@pc232133.static.is.airbites.ro] has quit ["Leaving"]
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00:55 <Monkey_arma> guru3 is the forum registration working? One guy says his account does not exist but he registered and clicked the link in the email. He is a bit thick though.
00:55 -!- Liza [n=Liza@p5B25EFAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Verlassend"]
01:07 <guru3> afaik it works
01:10 <Monkey_arma> ok guru3 he says his email address is banned
01:10 -!- mkzelda [i=mkzelda@unaffiliated/mkzelda] has quit ["Server does not respond."]
01:10 <Monkey_arma> but he says he has never posted on those forums ever, under any name
01:10 -!- mkzelda [i=mkzelda@cpe-066-057-232-057.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
01:10 <guru3> what e-mail address is he using?
01:10 <Monkey_arma> this is dreadlord/Killer4you we are talking about
01:13 <Monkey_arma> angehogen.lauenau@web.de
01:13 <Monkey_arma> guru3
01:13 <guru3> hmm
01:13 <guru3> yeah registrations from that e-mail were banned
01:13 <guru3> probably because of several spam accounts using that as an email
01:14 <Monkey_arma> really?
01:14 <Monkey_arma> so what do i tell this guy?
01:14 <Monkey_arma> he is in CT you know
01:14 <Monkey_arma> has been playing quite a while
01:14 <Monkey_arma> well CTT
01:14 <guru3> to use a different email address
01:14 <guru3> because i'm not unbanning all of @web.de just for him
01:14 <Monkey_arma> does it mean his address has been hacked?
01:14 <guru3> no
01:14 <Monkey_arma> ahh
01:14 <Monkey_arma> its that domain
01:15 <guru3> it means a lot of spam accounts were created from web.de
01:15 <Monkey_arma> ok
01:15 <Monkey_arma> so he needs new email
01:15 <guru3> have him bitch at his email company
01:16 -!- hoax [n=hoax@dyn-62-56-74-147.dslaccess.co.uk] has joined #armagetron
01:16 <hoax> Monkey_arma unsilence me you fucking dick
01:16 <hoax> get a life bro
01:17 <Monkey_arma> hoax shut your damn mouth
01:17 <Monkey_arma> dont tell us all how to admin
01:17 <Monkey_arma> kyo should have banned you
01:17 <hoax> this is plain abuse
01:17 <Monkey_arma> shut up
01:17 <hoax> or what?
01:17 <hoax> you cant silence me here
01:17 <Monkey_arma> but i can ignore u
01:17 <Monkey_arma>  /ignore
01:18 -!- Lucifer [n=satan@cpe-70-113-115-39.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #armagetron
01:18 <hoax> eddiefantastic ABUSE
01:18 <Monkey_arma> sort yourself out, get some manners and people wont keep kicking you or silencing you
01:18 <Monkey_arma> eddiefantastic speak to kyo about hoax...
01:18 <hoax> you're such a small man monkey
01:18 <Monkey_arma> i am with kyo on this one
01:18 <Monkey_arma> you are ..youre a little runt
01:18 <hoax> get a life honestly
01:18 <Monkey_arma> thing your some bad boy
01:18 <hoax> silencing me for what? helping dread try to play
01:18 <Monkey_arma> get a life yourself
01:18 <Monkey_arma> for interfering always
01:19 <Lucifer> hey, can someone ping something for me?
01:19 <Lucifer> luciferarma.kicks-ass.net
01:19 <Lucifer> I need to know what IP address that resolves to, and for some reason can't
01:19 <Monkey_arma>
01:19 <hoax> maybe if you wernt a wasteman, or it was actually your server I would take it, you can run it how you want, but when it's not even your server I object to being blatantly badmined.
01:20 <Monkey_arma> shut up
01:20 <Monkey_arma> i object to your constant mouth
01:20 <hoax> didnt you ignore me?
01:20 <Monkey_arma> <Monkey_arma> but i can ignore u
01:20 <Monkey_arma> *can*
01:20 <hoax> so dont tell me to shut up foo this is a public irc channel
01:20 <Monkey_arma> learn to read
01:20 <Monkey_arma> shut up
01:20 <hoax> so stfu with 'shut up'
01:21 <Monkey_arma> shh now you are getting boring
01:21 <hoax> go diaf & save the uk gov 50quid a week
01:21 <Monkey_arma> guru3 ok thx he will do that
01:21 <Lucifer> er, I don't see eddiefantastic talking here
01:22 <Monkey_arma> he cant get a word in with hoax talking
01:22 <akira_arma_> O.O
01:31 -!- Joshua_x_ is now known as ratchet--
01:31 <ratchet--> =o
01:31 -!- ratchet-- is now known as Ratchet--
01:31 <Ratchet--> stop arguing
01:33 <luke-jr> no
01:34 <hoax> power trip ftl.
01:34 <Monkey_arma> hoax you are the only one here with power issues
01:39 <hoax> wow
01:39 <hoax> you actually left the server
01:39 <hoax> w/o even unsilencing
01:40 <hoax> ...
01:40 <Monkey_arma> ...
01:40 <Monkey_arma> it will do you good
01:40 <Monkey_arma> one day you may thank me...
01:40 <Monkey_arma> or you may not...
01:40 <hoax> everyone on the server is against your decision
01:40 <akira_arma_> indeed
01:40 <Monkey_arma> durka ?
01:40 <Monkey_arma> he is a great guy to talk
01:41 <Ratchet--> what server is this
01:43 <luke-jr> stfu
01:43 <Ratchet--> make me
01:44 <luke-jr> rly?
01:44 <luke-jr> /join #anime
01:49 <Ratchet--> how to accept
01:49 <Ratchet--> #accept
01:50 <luke-jr> /join #anime
01:51 <Ratchet--> can msn add gmail names
01:51 <luke-jr> no
01:51 <luke-jr> cuz  MSNsucks
01:53 <Ratchet--> kinda like you!
01:54 <Ratchet--> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Signature_book
01:54 <Ratchet--> sign it you dopes!
02:15 -!- sithy [n=sithy@gob75-5-82-231-181-76.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron
02:20 <luke-jr> stupid durka
02:30 -!- hoop [n=john@ip-157-98.sn2.eutelia.it] has joined #armagetron
02:31 <hoop> .tea
02:31 <tronner> hoop: Fortress Café - CT's clone: Players (0/32):
02:31 <hoop> .si sumo
02:31 <tronner> hoop: Wild West  =Sumo=: Players (4/14): Gnomerogue, ShåÐé1, skittles, {R3P>nat}
02:31 <Monkey_arma> fort
02:31 <hoop> .si taem sumo
02:31 <tronner> hoop: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “taem sumo” at the moment, sorry.
02:31 <hoop> .si team sumo
02:31 <tronner> hoop: [ omGroup.de ][ Team Sumo Server ][ #2 ]: Players (0/16):
02:31 <Monkey_arma> .si fort
02:31 <tronner> Monkey_arma: Fortress Authenticated: Players (15/15): 1200 (1200@forums), bit7 (bit7@forums), cTT|Dreadlord (dreadlord@forums), delarge (delarge@forums), Fault Finder (Minefield@forums), fingerbib (fingerbib@forums), Flex (Flex@forums), ghableska (Ghableska@forums), Monkey (Monkey@forums), radian (radian@forums), |x| viper (-viper-@forums), ~|DS|~zion (zion@forums),   Durka (DDMJ@forums), ¥|»shàq (1 more message)
02:31 <Monkey_arma> ..
02:32 <hoop> oO
02:44 <Ratchet--> i am requesting a good c++ compiler/editor/ide or whatnot for windows
02:45 <Ratchet--> if no one can help me find one thatfits me then i will just use msvs c++
02:48 <Monkey_arma> for editor i use vim
02:48 <Monkey_arma> some use jed
02:48 <Monkey_arma> or others
02:48 <Monkey_arma> kate
02:49 <Monkey_arma> ah thats linux
02:49 <Monkey_arma> vim is the best IMO but takes some learning
02:53 <luke-jr> …
02:53 <luke-jr> stupid durka
02:53 <hoop> Ratchet--: looks like code::blocks is good
02:53 <luke-jr> hoop: IDEs ftl
02:54 <Ratchet--> are there any for Forms applications?
02:54 <Ratchet--> with the interface maker mabob
02:54 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: C++ is fail
02:54 <luke-jr> and Forms is not C++
02:54 <luke-jr> Forms is .NET C# etc crap
02:55 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: get Qt
02:55 <Ratchet--> Forms can be done in C++
02:55 <Ratchet--> Kthx.
02:55 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: NO
02:55 <Ratchet--> luke-jr,  YES
02:55 <luke-jr> then it is .NET, not C++
02:55 <Ratchet--> SUCK IT
02:56 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: go do !loli again
02:56 <Ratchet--> no
02:56 <luke-jr> YES
02:57 <Ratchet--> ping monkey
02:57 <Ratchet--> ping hoop
02:57 <hoop> .seen monkey
02:57 <tronner> hoop: I have not seen monkey.
02:57 <luke-jr> hoop: plz shoot Ratchet-- for me kthx
02:57 <Ratchet--> hoop
02:57 <Ratchet--> can c++ make a forms application
02:58 <hoop> you mean GUIs?
02:58 <Ratchet--> i mean like windows calculator
02:58 <Ratchet--> notepad
02:58 <Ratchet--> etc something that runs on desktop
02:58 <hoop> those are GUI apps
02:58 <hoop> .g GUI
02:58 <tronner> hoop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_user_interface - Graphical user interface - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
02:58 <Ratchet--> can c++ make them
02:58 <luke-jr> no, C++ can't do GUI
02:58 <Ratchet--> -.-
02:58 <Ratchet--> then wtf is it used for..
02:59 <hoop> u mean on windows?
02:59 <Monkey_arma> ratchet?
02:59 <luke-jr> console apps?
02:59 <Ratchet--> you can't use it on websites...
02:59 <luke-jr> libraries?
02:59 <Ratchet--> that's like completely pointless
02:59 <Ratchet--> i want something where i  can make a program and run it with a window on desktop
02:59 <Ratchet--> yes on windows
02:59 <luke-jr> C++ is completely pointles, yes
02:59 <Monkey_arma> c++ can make apps
02:59 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: Qt
03:00 <Monkey_arma> but you need a toolkit to go with it
03:00 <Ratchet--> so it CAN make gui's?
03:00 <hoop> Monkey_arma: ping
03:00 <Monkey_arma> unless you want to make those tools yourslef
03:00 <Monkey_arma> which u dont trust me
03:00 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: C++ can't, no
03:00 <Ratchet--> monkey
03:00 <hoop> Ratchet--: learn making console apps first
03:00 <Ratchet--> can it make gui's with a tookit
03:00 <Monkey_arma> yes
03:00 <luke-jr> no
03:01 <Ratchet--> so for example
03:01 <luke-jr> the toolkit can make a GUI
03:01 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr ???
03:01 <luke-jr> but not C++
03:01 <Monkey_arma> yes it can
03:01 <luke-jr> C++ does non-GUI stuff
03:01 <Monkey_arma> wtf luke-jr ?
03:01 <Ratchet--> i could make a xchat if i knew how?
03:01 <Ratchet--> with toolkit
03:01 <Monkey_arma> i used c++ with motif to make gui apps
03:01 <Ratchet--> vectron
03:01 <Monkey_arma> dont listen to luke-jr he has lost the plot
03:01 <Ratchet--> what language is tht in
03:01 <hoop> c++
03:02 <Monkey_arma> nowadays Ratchet-- they use either gtk or QT toolkit for what you will care about
03:02 <Ratchet--> that's a program that runs on desktop
03:02 <Ratchet--> is it not
03:02 <Monkey_arma> but you wont be making those yet
03:02 <Monkey_arma> its too comples
03:02 <Monkey_arma> *x
03:02 <Monkey_arma> just make command line like hoop says
03:02 <Ratchet--> what good will that do me?
03:02 <Monkey_arma> teach you the basics
03:02 <Monkey_arma> a lot of c++ runs without guis
03:03 <hoop> Ratchet--: you get lost in gui programming without basics
03:03 <Monkey_arma> in the world
03:03 <Monkey_arma> look at arma itself
03:03 <Ratchet--> slow down and get what i'm saying
03:03 <Monkey_arma> we are
03:03 <Ratchet--> armabell
03:03 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: the point is C++ sucks, as does MFC and Forms
03:03 <Ratchet--> that was in c++ right?
03:03 <Monkey_arma> c++ sucks?????????????????????
03:03 <Monkey_arma> what is better  than c++ (other than c)
03:03 <Ratchet--> ARMABELL
03:03 <Ratchet--> WAS THAT IN C++?
03:03 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: Qt
03:03 <Monkey_arma> i dont know what it is ratchet
03:03 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr ?
03:04 <Monkey_arma> isnt that a toolkit luke?
03:04 <Ratchet--> okay vectron then
03:04 <Ratchet--> hoop
03:04 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: it can be used as one, but it is also a language
03:04 <Monkey_arma> hrm
03:04 <Ratchet--> hoop, vectron will be a program that runs and you make maps in it am i right?
03:04 <Monkey_arma> isnt Qt made in c++?
03:04 <Ratchet--> hoop,  if so then i am happy
03:04 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: just like C++ is made in C
03:04 <hoop> yes Ratchet--
03:05 <Ratchet--> k
03:05 <Ratchet--> then it can indeed run on desktop
03:05 <Monkey_arma> but c++ adds to c in fundamental ways
03:05 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: vectron will be Qt, not C++, IIRC
03:05 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: as does Qt
03:05 <Monkey_arma> hrm i struggle with that luke
03:05 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: why do you think Qt requires a compiler beyond GCC?
03:06 <hoop> luke-jr: abndoned Qt
03:06 <luke-jr> hoop: -.-
03:06 <Monkey_arma> tbh luke, i dont know or care
03:06 <Monkey_arma> i hate kde
03:06 <Monkey_arma> i dont use QT and doubt i will
03:06 <Ratchet--> if it takes it, I'll get Microsoft Visual Studio to do what I want with c++
03:07 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet-- i have heard of what hoop mentioned, code::blocks
03:07 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: just go get Qt
03:07 <Monkey_arma> no point paying when you can get free
03:07 <Monkey_arma> ignore that maniac
03:07 <Ratchet--> Microsoft is free
03:07 <Monkey_arma> !
03:07 <hoop> lol
03:07 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: http://trolltech.com/developer/downloads/qt/windows
03:07 <Monkey_arma> first, how is it free?
03:07 <Monkey_arma> second, microsoft is bad
03:07 <Monkey_arma> remember that
03:08 <hoop> does Bill Gates know that already?
03:08 <Ratchet--> www.microsoft.com/express/download
03:08 <luke-jr> http://www.trolltech.com/download?target=http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/X11/Qt/qt/source/qt-win-opensource-4.4.2-mingw.exe
03:08 <luke-jr> or skip that
03:08 <luke-jr> http://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/X11/Qt/qt/source/qt-win-opensource-4.4.2-mingw.exe
03:08 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet-- i would keep away from MS
03:08 <hoop> Ratchet--: microsoft is a closed world
03:08 <Ratchet--> well you see
03:09 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet-- ask that question on forums
03:09 <Monkey_arma> or read forums for already answered
03:09 <Ratchet--> they allow to make a form with buttons and etc etc which is what I want to do
03:09 <hoop> microsoft makes things for lazy people
03:09 <Ratchet--> well if it's the last resort I'll just be lazy
03:09 <Ratchet--> if nothing else can give what i want i'll gladly take the lazy path
03:09 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet-- C is easier than C++
03:09 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/source/qt-win-opensource-4.4.2-mingw.exe
03:09 <hoop> it's the last resort for lazy retard guys like you're now
03:09 <Ratchet--> idc
03:09 <Ratchet--> not learning c
03:09 <Monkey_arma> it might be good to learn that frist
03:10 <Monkey_arma> ??
03:10 <Monkey_arma> c++ is an extension to c
03:10 <Monkey_arma> if you learn c you can carry it over to c++
03:10 <Ratchet--> c will confuse the f out of me
03:10 <Monkey_arma> how?
03:10 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: not really, it's mostly just compatible with C
03:10 <Monkey_arma> its easier
03:10 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr you are not helping
03:10 <Ratchet--> i prefer just c++
03:10 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: yes I am
03:10 <luke-jr> ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/source/qt-win-opensource-4.4.2-mingw.exe <-- solution to Ratchet--
03:10 <Monkey_arma> the syntax of c is like c++ only much simpler
03:10 <luke-jr> it does exactly what he needs
03:11 <Ratchet--> is qt a language or u use c++
03:11 <hoop> Ratchet--: you want to build a house when you're not even able to build a lego, you understand?
03:11 <Monkey_arma> rathet not many people use Qt
03:11 <Ratchet--> understand this guys
03:11 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: download it and try it
03:11 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: more than use GTK crud
03:11 <Ratchet--> I do not want to waste time learning a jillion things
03:11 <Ratchet--> i want to know what i NEED to learn
03:11 <luke-jr> ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/source/qt-win-opensource-4.4.2-mingw.exe <-- solution to Ratchet--
03:11 <Monkey_arma> ratchet, c is really a part of c++
03:11 <Ratchet--> i aint going to learn c++ if i can't do what i want
03:11 <hoop> Ratchet--: wrong way
03:11 <Monkey_arma> if you learn c you waste nothing
03:12 <Monkey_arma> i wish i learnt c first
03:12 <Monkey_arma> but i went straight to c++
03:12 <hoop> anything you learn is not a waste of time
03:12 <hoop> never
03:12 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/ <-- documentation, tutorials, etc
03:12 <Monkey_arma> c is part of c++ in a way
03:12 <Monkey_arma> really i would consider it
03:12 <Ratchet--> just come to a complete answer to my simple question
03:12 <Monkey_arma> in fact, i may use c in the future as my number 1 language
03:12 <Ratchet--> with c++ can i make programs like windows calculator
03:12 <hoop> luke-jr: hard to understand Qt if you don't know c++
03:12 <Monkey_arma> many people do
03:12 <Monkey_arma> c++ is not necessarily better than cd
03:13 <Monkey_arma> *c
03:13 <Monkey_arma> i know a quite a few peole who prefer c to c++
03:13 <Ratchet--> monkey, hoop
03:13 <hoop> Ratchet--: try python for that
03:13 <luke-jr> hoop: perhaps, but he wants to write a GUI app… and neither C nor C++ provide GUI stuff
03:13 <Ratchet--> monkey. hoop.
03:13 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr ????
03:13 <Ratchet--> what msvc++ does
03:13 <hoop> Ratchet--: try python for that
03:13 <Ratchet--> is lets you make a form with buttons
03:13 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: Qt does everything MSVC++ does
03:13 <Ratchet--> is that the only program that allows?
03:14 <Ratchet--> ok luke
03:14 <Monkey_arma> dont listen to luke
03:14 <Monkey_arma> just pretend you ar
03:14 <Ratchet--> if i don't get the answer i want i'll just have to do that..
03:14 <Ratchet--> listen to me
03:14 <Ratchet--> Microsoft
03:14 <Ratchet--> windows form application
03:14 <Ratchet--> something like this very chatbox
03:14 <Ratchet--> runs on your screen
03:14 <luke-jr> http://trolltech.com/images/products/qt/qt_designer_linux <-- picture
03:14 <Ratchet--> buttons to click
03:15 <Ratchet--> can anything other than ms make that?
03:15 <Monkey_arma> in programming you will need one of: java/c++/c# and one of script languages: python/perl/ruby
03:15 <Monkey_arma> thats about it
03:15 <hoop> wtf RatchetPYTHON
03:15 <Monkey_arma> unless you want to do web stuff
03:15 <hoop> u blind?
03:15 <Monkey_arma> then html/xhtml, css, js, php
03:15 <Monkey_arma> python is the best scripting lang to learn on
03:16 <Monkey_arma> the langs all have similar syntax
03:16 <luke-jr> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/designer-getting-started.html#the-user-interface
03:16 <Monkey_arma> so c++, c, java, perl etc simolar
03:16 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr stfu already
03:16 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: I'm the only one giving him what he wants. You stfu
03:16 <hoop> also python is highly portable
03:16 <Monkey_arma> arma uses c++ and python
03:16 <luke-jr> hoop: not for anything GUI
03:16 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: Arma doesn't use Python
03:16 <Monkey_arma> ah no its ruby
03:16 <Monkey_arma> im thinking of bzr
03:16 <luke-jr> Ruby support is unused too
03:17 <hoop> luke-jr: ACME?
03:17 <Ratchet--> i know alot of ruby
03:17 <Ratchet--> or did
03:17 <Monkey_arma> well thats good
03:17 <luke-jr> hoop: ACME isn't a real GUI app
03:17 <hoop> what is it?
03:17 <Monkey_arma> i dont even know python, perl or ruby yet
03:17 <luke-jr> hoop: a game, supposedly
03:17 <Monkey_arma> i just know bash
03:17 <hoop> Lucifer's ACME?
03:17 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: Python is painful for some reason
03:18 <luke-jr> Perl <3
03:18 <hoop> but it's easy
03:18 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet-- really serious now, learn c first, and do some simple stuff in it, then progress to c++. you will waste no time becuase c++ contains pretty much all of c
03:18 <Monkey_arma> perl is highly flexible so i hear but harder
03:18 <Monkey_arma> idk
03:18 <hoop> Monkey_arma: console apps are boring for young lazy guys
03:18 <Monkey_arma> hehe
03:19 <Monkey_arma> although if he is on windows console is waste of time
03:19 <Monkey_arma> dosbox is not much
03:19 <Monkey_arma> so i understand that
03:19 <Ratchet--> my point exactly
03:19 <Ratchet--> i am not going to learn c+++ if all i can do is sit in a console
03:19 <Monkey_arma> but you really need to learn linux or get a mac
03:19 <Ratchet--> that's gay
03:19 <Monkey_arma> console is great
03:19 <Monkey_arma> but not in windows so much
03:19 <Monkey_arma> although they have improved it
03:20 <Monkey_arma> there is powershell or somti
03:20 <hoop> Ratchet--: c++ lets you make gui apps
03:20 <hoop> c++ libraries to be exact ><
03:20 <Monkey_arma> if you learn c and then c++ you will have all knowledge to go to any other language in a matter of minutes or hours at the mose
03:20 <Ratchet--> mk
03:20 <hoop> there are better ways than c++ to make gui apps
03:21 <Monkey_arma> i will be relearning c and c++ myself
03:21 <hoop> Ratchet--: Qbasic
03:21 <Monkey_arma> :0
03:21 <Monkey_arma> hoop bad
03:22 <hoop> totally useless but the most fun thing to learn programming
03:22 <Ratchet--> i think i'lll go ahead and use microsoft til i know 50%+ of c++
03:22 <Ratchet--> then possibly switch
03:22 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: btw, you know C types are abstraction?
03:22 <hoop> 50% ?
03:22 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr ?
03:22 <Ratchet--> basics
03:22 <Ratchet--> ..
03:22 <Ratchet--> 50% is basics
03:22 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: char, int, short, long, etc
03:22 <Ratchet--> 50% is expert
03:22 <Monkey_arma> ok and?
03:22 <Ratchet--> 100%
03:22 <Ratchet--> !
03:22 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: those are abstractions
03:22 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: the CPU only works in 32-bit integers
03:22 <Monkey_arma> yes of architecthure
03:22 <Monkey_arma> so what?
03:22 <Monkey_arma> do you have a point?
03:22 <luke-jr> :þ
03:22 <luke-jr> no
03:23 <hoop> lol
03:23 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: just get Qt and be happy
03:23 <Monkey_arma> nutcase lol
03:23 <hoop> luke-jr: isn't Lucifer's ACME a gui app?
03:23 <luke-jr> hoop: it's a SDL "game"
03:24 <hoop> luke-jr: it uses python + Qt afaik
03:24 <luke-jr> not unless he's made some major changes recently
03:24 <Monkey_arma> Ratchet-- in fact, if you learn c++ the basics are similar to c so fine if you must , go and learn c++ first, but learn how to do it well. Object oriented programming requires very careful designn
03:24 <luke-jr> hoop: last I checked it was PyGame
03:24 <Monkey_arma> Make sure you study how to choose good objects
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03:24 <hoop> luke-jr: last I checked it was an aamap editor :S
03:24 <luke-jr> …
03:24 <Monkey_arma> hi babybug
03:24 <luke-jr> hoop: PyGame for the interface I mean
03:24 <Ratchet--> mk
03:25 <BabyBug> Hi hun
03:25  * BabyBug cuddles Flex, Better now darling? =P
03:25 <hoop> luke-jr: what you mean
03:25 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: put it this way:
03:25 <Flex> lol
03:25 <luke-jr> if you want a GUI app, you need to either use Microsoft C++-and-more, or TrollTech C++-and-Qt
03:26 <luke-jr> Ratchet--: the latter of which will be nicer and work on Mac, Windows, and Linux
03:26 <luke-jr> (of course, you could use just Qt instead of C++-and-Qt if you want to…)
03:26 <Monkey_arma> back in bit...things to do
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03:31 <Flex> who was that
03:32 <ct|kyle> Flex: BabyBug
03:32 <hoop> Ratchet--: can you catch app's stdout on windows?
03:32 <Ratchet--> yes
03:32 <hoop> how?
03:32 <Ratchet--> that's standard output lib
03:32 <Ratchet--> std::cout i believe
03:32 <Flex> ct|kyle, that's weird
03:32 <hoop> forget c++
03:33 <Ratchet--> ..
03:33 <hoop> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18715&highlight=
03:33 <hoop> I'm asking something else
03:33 <Ratchet--> ohhhh
03:33 <Ratchet--> hm
03:33 <Ratchet--> no you cannot to my knowledge
03:33 <Ratchet--> unless application data folder does it
03:34 <hoop> meh, one reason more to forget windows
03:34 <Flex> ct|kyle hi
03:34 <ct|kyle> Flex: oi
03:34 <Flex> what are you up to?
03:36 <ct|kyle> trying not to ask hoop a question
03:36 <hoop> trying not to ask ct|kyle what question
03:38 <hoop> ct|kyle: damn u shoot it :P
03:38 <ct|kyle> hoop: no question needed (i should have read the readme and id did so it fixed it
03:38 <hoop> oh
03:38 <hoop> holy README
03:38 <hoop> --datadir ?
03:38 <ct|kyle> hoop: yup
03:39 <ct|kyle> Failed to load glade file `/usr/local/share/vectron/glade/vectron.glade'   before i found it :)
03:39 <hoop> yep, you'll need that until we set the install thingy
03:40 <ct|kyle> ya
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04:39 <hoop> Flex: any idea of what time we may play?
04:39 <hoop> oh, and where?
04:41 <Flex> not exactly sure hoop, if TR is playing us, then i guess next sunday is a good time for another practice, interested? rather than today
04:41 <Flex> if tr is not, then i guess you can call your team members for today
04:41 <ct|kyle> do you want to practice?
04:41 <hoop> Flex: better, it would've been hard to catch all tomorrow
04:41 <ct|kyle> for ladle?
04:42 <hoop> ct|kyle: is ct free tomorrow?
04:42 <Flex> ok, next sunday then hoop? you need to speak to lack about it and confirm it with him
04:42 <hoop> if tr won't tomorrow we may try too
04:42 <Monkey_arma> flex you do know we are playing wild west next sunday yes?
04:42 <Flex> i'm unsure what's happening today, and next sunday.. so none of this is final
04:42 <Monkey_arma> make sure you speak to lack before finalising anything
04:42 <Flex> fuck them.. i want real practice :D
04:43 <Monkey_arma> well its already arranged
04:43 <ct|kyle> hoop: next sunday we want to have a practice war
04:43  * hoop agrees
04:43 <Monkey_arma> and dont underestimate them
04:43 <Flex> why not?
04:43 <hoop> ct|kyle: ok I'll keep in mind
04:43 <Monkey_arma> quite a few of them come from sumo
04:43 <hoop> Flex: cuz u noob
04:43 <Monkey_arma> they arent complete noobs at fort physics
04:44 <hoop> but they're noob at strategy
04:44 <Monkey_arma> :0
04:44 <ct|kyle> we probably would not mind it tomorrow at 20 GMT depending on who shows up for CT
04:44 <hoop> perhaps
04:44 <hoop> ct|kyle: cool, we have irc anyway ;)
04:45 <ct|kyle> i'll be gone
04:46 <hoop> Monkey_arma: you have a server for practice?
04:46 <Monkey_arma> well lol no
04:46 <Monkey_arma> not for tomorrow
04:46 <hoop> don't mean 'you'
04:46 <Monkey_arma> you mean?
04:46 <hoop> neither vip's ?
04:47 <Monkey_arma> do you want a server or?
04:47 <hoop> no
04:47 <Monkey_arma> eddie has a server maybe that people can use
04:47 <Monkey_arma> ojh
04:47 <hoop> just asking: if we want a practice war, we'll need a server, don't we?
04:48 <Monkey_arma> ask flex
04:48 <Monkey_arma> ye we do
04:48 <Monkey_arma> are we playing ?
04:48 <hoop> Flex ^^
04:48 <Monkey_arma> lack is in charege
04:48 <Flex> yeah, let me bring out one of my servers from my pocket
04:48 <hoop> quick!
04:48 <Monkey_arma> flex dont fuck up lacks plans
04:48 <Flex> i'm not, "i'm unsure what's happening today, and next sunday.. so none of this is final"
04:49 <Monkey_arma> lack sent us emails telling us
04:49 <Monkey_arma> we play tr tomorrow
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04:49 <Monkey_arma> then ww next sunday
04:49 <hoop> I may get a usa server easily XD
04:49 <Monkey_arma> although i dont really want to play tr
04:49 <Monkey_arma> fuck them
04:49 <Monkey_arma> after durkas post man
04:49 <Flex> tomorrow we'll clear everything up, i'd rather play hoops team next sunday so if nothing is planned then why plan something Monkey_arma?
04:49 <Monkey_arma> lets play hoop tomorrow
04:49 <Flex> no hoop, europe only please. :)
04:49 <Monkey_arma> fuck tr
04:50 <ct|kyle> i asked for a 3rd CT server for ladle (but we decided 2 were enough)
04:50 <Monkey_arma> better talk to lack before you do annything flex
04:50 <Flex> hoop can't get a team by tomorrow
04:50 <hoop> *not sure*
04:50 <Monkey_arma> wild west is organised now
04:50 <Flex> ct|kyle can we borrow a server for today (sunday 28th) please
04:50 <Monkey_arma> we can play both
04:50 <Monkey_arma> first hoop then ww
04:50 <Monkey_arma> or other way round
04:50 <hoop> or together?
04:50 <hoop> XP
04:50 <ct|kyle> Flex: what time?
04:51 <hoop> Monkey_arma: you remember 'half team practice' last afl?
04:51 <hoop> that was cool
04:51 <hoop> if we can't bring the whole team
04:51 <Flex> not sure, 730 gmt
04:51 <Flex> utc
04:51 <hoop> each match one team only attacks and the other defences
04:52 <ct|kyle> for a half hour (then it is CT time
04:52 <hoop> oh wait, it was with TD
04:52 <hoop> Flex: you remember that?
04:52 <hoop> we played some TD vs X like that
04:53 <Flex> yeah, that was nice :)
04:53 <ct|kyle> at 8PM GMT CT is in charge of ladle fort but before that you can barrow it if you want, that will be CT ladle fort 1 in AFL
04:53 <Monkey_arma> hoop im sure if we can get a server we can play next sunday after or before we play ww
04:53 <Flex> ct|kyle, urm today?
04:53 <Monkey_arma> we just need to leave a decennt gap
04:53 <hoop> ok
04:54 <ct|kyle> if today is the 28th :)
04:54 <hoop> I'm asking my mates to be in irc as more as possible
04:54 <Flex> yes, what are they doing on 8pm gmt?
04:54 <Flex> the game wont finish till probably 9gmt if it starts at 730gmt
04:54 <Flex> at^
04:55 <ct|kyle> we are having our practice
04:56 <Concord> I'm around for whatever
04:56 <hoop> looking back at ww formation they're not noobs indeed
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06:54 <Ratchet--> cyberbuddeez
06:54 <Ratchet--> !1
07:18 <Ratchet--> ping hoop
07:18 <Ratchet--> ping hoop
07:18 <Ratchet--> ping ratchet--
07:19 <Ratchet--> ping Ratchet--
07:19 <Ratchet--> ping hoop
07:19 <Ratchet--> =-o
07:19 <Ratchet--> ping luke-jr
07:19 <Ratchet--> ping ivantis
07:27 <hoop> whatsup Ratchet--
07:28 <Ratchet--> YESS!
07:29 <Ratchet--> can we (attempt) to build tron on linux
07:29 <hoop> you can
07:29 <Ratchet--> i need halp
07:29 <Ratchet--> =-x
07:29 <hoop> try to
07:29 <Ratchet--> ..
07:29 <hoop> ask help when you really need
07:30 <Ratchet--> well i dont know any linux code
07:30 <Ratchet--> so i really need
07:30 <Ratchet--> =-\
07:30 <hoop> there are INSTALL adn README everywhere
07:30 <hoop> and google
07:30 <Ratchet--> -.--
07:30 <Ratchet--> what about the missing file
07:30 <hoop> install them
07:31 <Ratchet--> sigh
07:31 <hoop> it''s an easy process
07:31 <hoop> launch ./configure
07:31 <hoop> if something is missing install it
07:31 <hoop> back 1 step
07:32 <hoop> until configure reaches the end
07:33 <hoop> and please stop calling hoop hoop hoop hoop...
07:33 <hoop> that's just annoying
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07:41 <Ratchet--> =-o
07:44 <Lucifer> hoop: hoop (hi there!) hoop (hi there!)
07:44 <Lucifer> [00:33] <hoop> and please stop calling hoop hoop hoop hoop...
07:53 <hoop> :P
07:54 <Ratchet--> hoop
07:54 <Ratchet--> =-x
07:54 <Ratchet--> are you here
07:54 <hoop> not there, I'm here
07:54 <Ratchet--> =-o
07:55 <Ratchet--> i like totally just found install wireltem --> adminess driver in sys
07:55 <Ratchet--> system -- admin
07:55 <Ratchet--> *
07:55 <Ratchet--> let me retype that
07:55 <Ratchet--> i like totally just found install wireless driver in system --> administration
07:55 <Ratchet--> where might i find the driver in all these folders to install
07:57 <hoop> idk what you're talkin about
07:57 <Ratchet--> wireless internet
07:57 <hoop> btw I have no clue about wireless drivers
07:57 <Ratchet--> i have to install my driver
07:57 <Ratchet--> -.-
07:57 <hoop> ask Lucifer
07:58 <Lucifer> ask hoop, he knows all about how to do it without wires
07:59 <Ratchet--> lol
08:02 <hoop> Ratchet--: /join #ubuntu
08:02 <hoop> possibly be nice and patient
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09:03 <Ratchet--> hello
09:03 <Ratchet--> er what's the point of bluetooth on here
09:03 <Ratchet--> it don't work
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10:34 <Durka> eddiefantastic: hola
10:36 <epsy> Durka, this would be rather an ordened list
10:36 <epsy> :D
10:36 <epsy> rather be*, whups
10:36 <Durka> ?
10:36 <epsy> nvm
10:39 <Durka> hrhr
10:43 <Durka> Lackadaisical: ping
10:43 <Lackadaisical> pong
10:44 <Durka> I'm going to make a file for the exact ladle settings
10:44 <Durka> since theres like 6 different fort servers
10:44 <Durka> all have different settings
10:45 <Lackadaisical> yeah.. any idea what server to use?
10:46 <Durka> haha well i was thinking about Fort Auth
10:46 <Lackadaisical> maybe we can borrow one from eddie?
10:46 <Durka> then i realized
10:46 <Durka> it has auto-team switchup after each match
10:46 <Durka> thats no good
10:46 <epsy> haha
10:46 <Lackadaisical> that'd be pretty terrible
10:47 <Durka> :P
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10:48 <Durka> hi Goodygumdrops
10:48 <Goodygumdrops> hello Durka
10:48 <Durka> ok so, epsy Goodygumdrops Lackadaisical
10:48 <Durka> score_hole 0?
10:48 <Goodygumdrops> yeahhh
10:48 <epsy> no!
10:49 <Lackadaisical> undecided
10:49 <Durka> i say 0
10:49 <Goodygumdrops> I think that giving points every time someone goes through a hole is kind of silly...and abusable
10:49 <epsy> i say 1e10
10:49 <Durka> yes
10:49 <Goodygumdrops> and also using holes strategically is its own reward
10:49 <Durka> forexample
10:49 <Lackadaisical> yeah im with goody
10:49 <Durka> if the score is 99-97
10:49 <epsy> that would be an epic end
10:49 <Durka> and goody suicides into lacks wall
10:49 <Durka> to make it 99-99
10:49 <epsy> erm
10:49 <Goodygumdrops> lol
10:49 <Durka> and i go thru the wall
10:49 <Durka> cuz goody meant to do that
10:50 <Durka> +1
10:50 <Durka> 100-99 ftw
10:50 <epsy> you know, if you blow a hole in a teammate's wall
10:50 <Goodygumdrops> yeah, that's undesirable
10:50 <Durka> thats just stupid
10:50 <epsy> there is no hole point in this case
10:50 <pavelo> and is that such a bad thing ?
10:50 <Durka> lack is the oponent in my stupid exmple
10:50 <epsy> it's: ennemy wall + teammate hole from the view of the holer
10:50 <Durka> hoop: what do u think?
10:50 <hoop> this topic should be globally polled IMO
10:50 <Durka> hmm
10:51 <Durka> k
10:51 <Durka> well moving on
10:51 <hoop> how a bout a forums poll?
10:51 <Durka> fortress conquering?
10:51 <epsy> forum polls suck :x
10:51 <Durka> 10 points?
10:51 <Durka> or 6/4
10:51 <epsy> Durka, 2v2 conquerable
10:51 <Goodygumdrops> 10
10:51 <Lackadaisical> yeah someone should just talk about it on the forums at least
10:51 <Goodygumdrops> 2 v 2 unconquerable
10:51 <Durka> i think whoever thought of 6/4 is retarded tbh
10:51 <Lackadaisical> 2v2 unconq
10:51 <epsy> eddiefantastic:
10:51 <hoop> I dont like 2v2 conq
10:51 <Goodygumdrops> it's unintuitive, which bothers me
10:51 <epsy> 2v2 conquerable is way more challenging >.>
10:52 <hoop> ^^no :P
10:52 <Lackadaisical> no its not :S
10:52 <hoop> just unfair
10:52 <Goodygumdrops> well
10:52 <Goodygumdrops> if 2 v 2 is conquerable
10:52 <Goodygumdrops> why isn't 1 v 1?
10:52 <epsy> for the defenders it is
10:52 <hoop> good point Goodygumdrops
10:52 <Goodygumdrops> that is why I think it is unintuitive
10:52 <epsy> defenders have much advantage trough the whole rounds already
10:52 <Durka> yea
10:52 <hoop> not really
10:52 <Durka> im sadly agreeing with epsy
10:52 <Durka> heres why
10:52 <epsy> giving 2v2 unconquerable is giving them even more advantage
10:52 <Durka> in 2 v 2 conquerable
10:53 <Lackadaisical> but as soon as the defender is cut it's a loss
10:53 <hoop> defenders are constantly pressed
10:53 <Durka> say its 2 defenders 1 attacker
10:53 <Durka> and the 4th player is chillin in defense
10:53 <Lackadaisical> which just empahsizes the single defenders responsibility
10:53 <epsy> yes but they still have the advantage over the attackers
10:53 <Durka> if he atcks the, 2nd defender could sneak back and get the zone
10:53 <Lackadaisical> only when they play as a team and have another person there
10:53 <Durka> its a game of cat n mouse
10:54 <hoop> in 2v2 attackers are advantaged already cus they can leave the zone
10:54 <Goodygumdrops> I feel like making 2 v 2 conquerable means breaking def nearly always ends the round
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10:54 <Lackadaisical> i guess this should be discussed on theforums as well..
10:54 <Goodygumdrops> which means the defender becomes way too important
10:54 <Goodygumdrops> and takes focus off the team
10:54 <hoop> we need a dictator deciding that maybe
10:55 <Durka> i vote not monkey
10:55 <epsy> or we need to not decide that
10:55 <Lackadaisical> so what do you think hoop?
10:55 <Durka> btw epsy
10:55 <hoop> in 2v2 attackers are advantaged already cus they can leave the zone
10:55 <Durka> im looking thru fort settings
10:55 <Goodygumdrops> that's a good point, hoop
10:55 <Durka> whats ENEMY_TEAMMATE_PENALTY 9.5       # Penalty on the effective time in seconds if the influence is from a teammate
10:55 <epsy> it's about telling who's the guy who gets the point(or not)
10:56 <Durka> o ok
10:57 <pavelo> what about cycle width... i kinda miss that :)
10:58 <Goodygumdrops> booooo!
10:58 <Goodygumdrops> :-\
10:58 <Durka> haha
10:58 <Durka> ok
10:58 <Durka> winzone?
10:58 <Durka> i vote no completely
10:58 <pavelo> deathzone
10:58 <pavelo> a relatively quick one
10:58 <epsy> winzone, but only after 3 years
10:58 <Goodygumdrops> I don't think we need more than 2 zones on a fortress map
10:59 <Durka> haha good qoute
10:59 <K-Yo> yo
10:59 <hoop> yo
10:59 <Goodygumdrops> hi kyo
11:00 <hoop> i  vote for no additional zones
11:00 <Durka> Lackadaisical, epsy ?
11:01 <Lackadaisical> instant deathzone!
11:01 <Lackadaisical> or maybe no zone
11:01 <epsy> winzone, but only after 3 years
11:01 <epsy> (=disable)
11:02 <Goodygumdrops> I think freako is on sumo right now, should we get him in here?
11:02 <Lackadaisical> yeah
11:02 <Goodygumdrops> one sec
11:02 <Goodygumdrops> lemme see if he's still there
11:02 <Lackadaisical> he initiated this right?
11:02 <Durka> yep
11:02 <Durka> epsy
11:02 <Goodygumdrops> gone
11:03 <Durka> i have winzone set to 10 min
11:03 <Durka> its 0 size
11:03 <Durka> 0 expansion
11:03 <hoop> is the teammembers signing gonna be locked?
11:03 <epsy> nah
11:03 <epsy> that sucks
11:03 <Durka> it will say winzone activated
11:03 <Durka> everyone will be like wtf?
11:03 <Durka> where?!
11:03 <epsy> there will be "winzone popped up" messagess trough it's invisible for most ppl
11:03 <Durka> fine ill make it one hour
11:03 <epsy> yup
11:03 <Durka> if the round takes 1 hr
11:03 <epsy> make it 1234567
11:03 <Durka> we deserve to see that msg
11:03 <epsy> true
11:04 <hoop> is the teammembers signing gonna be locked????
11:04 <epsy> ?
11:04 <Goodygumdrops> the challenge board
11:04 <hoop> the wiki ladle page
11:04 <Goodygumdrops> I think he means
11:04 <hoop> that^^
11:04 <epsy> ah
11:04 <epsy> ask a wiki admin to do it
11:05 <epsy> guru3: ping
11:05 <hoop> I asking if that's planned
11:05 <K-Yo> are we deciding the config for ladle here?
11:05 <hoop> kinda
11:05 <Durka> kinda
11:05 <Lackadaisical> sort of..
11:05 <epsy> kinda
11:05 <Goodygumdrops> someone is deciding
11:05 <hoop> :P
11:05 <epsy> lol
11:05 <K-Yo> xD
11:05 <hoop> actually: YES
11:05 <epsy> nah..
11:05 <Durka> well i wanna play against lax team 2maro with the same cfg as ladle
11:05 <Durka> no shananigans
11:05 <Lackadaisical> today!
11:05 <Goodygumdrops> everything durka does qualifies as shenanigans
11:06 <Durka> LOL
11:06 <K-Yo> we have a training tonight, and I hear flex (has he a team?) has one too, we'll prob like to train with the right settings too
11:06 <Durka> ok i have all the settings in alphabetical order
11:06 <Lackadaisical> so what did you decide for 2v2, holepoints and win/deathzones durka?
11:06 <Durka> im gonna post them in a sec
11:06 <Durka> minus the good stuff
11:06 <Durka> after we decide
11:06 <Durka> 1) score_hole
11:06 <Durka> 2) conquering
11:06 <Durka> 3) dz
11:07 <Durka> 4) fortress scoring
11:07 <Durka> first, hole score
11:07 <Durka> i say 0
11:07 <hoop> post on forums?
11:07 <Durka> the problem is
11:07 <epsy> i say 1
11:07 <Durka> if it's 1
11:07 <Durka> it promotes dying
11:07 <Lackadaisical> i think we need more people able to vote though
11:07 <epsy> ;)
11:07 <K-Yo> holing makes the game less hard
11:07 <hoop>  /me too Lackadaisical
11:07 <Durka> like "oh zomg i can pwnz0r u llolol, o sh1t u killed me lolol, wait n0 mai teammate got me a po1nt baK 101"
11:07 <K-Yo> post on forums?
11:07 <hoop> ^^
11:08 <epsy> K-Yo, well, we're going to have holes anyway
11:08 <K-Yo> yeah
11:08 <Durka> MaZuffeR: ?
11:08 <hoop> explosion size 0!!!
11:08 <K-Yo> but without points, it will be less interesting (a bit)
11:08 <Durka> and
11:08 <K-Yo> nah, with holes, else we'll all get lost!
11:08 <Lackadaisical> negative points!
11:08 <Durka> Durka only operates in evens
11:08 <Durka> i like the negative idea
11:08 <Durka> if ur gonna blow a hole in the def
11:08 <Goodygumdrops> hmm
11:08 <Durka> and go thru it
11:08 <Goodygumdrops> I like 0
11:08 <epsy> Durka, divide everything by two then :D
11:08 <Durka> there should be a sacrifice
11:08 <Durka> 9/2 ?
11:09 <Goodygumdrops> the sacrifice is you died
11:09 <epsy> 9?
11:09 <Goodygumdrops> and your opponent got 2 points
11:09 <Durka> thats an odd number
11:09 <Durka> no
11:09 <epsy> that's not in fortress scoring
11:09 <Durka> and ur team gets into the zone
11:09 <Goodygumdrops> yeah, that's the reward
11:09 <Durka> thats what in saying ep ^
11:09 <Goodygumdrops> which is why points are silly
11:09 <epsy> and maybe just dies
11:09 <Durka> exactly
11:09 <Lackadaisical> usually the hole is an extra, because your teammate tried to attack and failed
11:09 <Durka> great point goody
11:09 <Goodygumdrops> yes, that's true lacka
11:09 <K-Yo> so, no points for hole?
11:09 <Durka> goody's right
11:09 <Durka> the reward isnt the +1
11:09 <Durka> its the zone
11:10 <Durka> that u've graciously entered into
11:10  * hoop agrees
11:10  * K-Yo agrees
11:10 <Lackadaisical> agrees
11:10  * Durka agrees
11:10  * Lackadaisical agrees
11:10 <Durka> ok
11:10 <Durka> settled
11:10 <epsy> what if you're not going in the enemis zone
11:10 <epsy> no i dun not agree
11:10 <Durka> then why get a point thats just stupid
11:10 <K-Yo> you shouldn't have holed then?
11:10 <Durka> if ur in the middle of the map
11:10 <Durka> whats the point
11:10 <epsy> K-Yo, for the point?
11:10 <Durka> yea
11:10 <hoop> epsy: who implemented score_hole?
11:10 <Goodygumdrops> it's like...you die on your opponents wall...they get two points
11:10 <K-Yo> you died because you got pwnt, no reason to get a point
11:11 <epsy> hoop, z-man most probably
11:11 <Goodygumdrops> then "so-and-so gets 1 point for a sacrfice for the good of the team"
11:11 <K-Yo> a suicide for one point? strange
11:11 <Goodygumdrops> if two people go through you r hole...all of a sudden it wasn't a sacrifice
11:11 <Goodygumdrops> you are back to even
11:11 <Durka> ok next
11:11 <epsy> i like hunting teammate holes :P
11:11 <Durka> 10 points
11:11 <Lackadaisical> i think you should post these setting which we settle on on the forums with how many people voted for/against and then keep the discussion open
11:11 <Durka> 6/4
11:11 <epsy> 5/5
11:11 <Goodygumdrops> 10
11:11  * K-Yo agrees with lack
11:11 <K-Yo> 6/4
11:11 <Lackadaisical> i think 10 has always been the ladle way
11:11 <hoop> we should at least be 1 member per team talking about this :P
11:12 <Goodygumdrops> I think it's dumb to win the round and get less than 10 points
11:12 <Durka> i say 10 because I don't see why the losing team should get the chance to grab 4 points from the other team at the last second
11:12 <Lackadaisical> we got ct, x, mc, ot, tr
11:12 <hoop> missing ww and kot
11:12 <K-Yo> we need a DSer, a Ww and a KO ?
11:12 <hoop> and ds
11:12 <epsy> :|
11:12 <Durka> does anyone agree with me ^
11:12 <Durka> its like
11:12 <K-Yo> lack: what's ur team name?
11:12 <hoop> DEMOCRACY
11:12 <Goodygumdrops> yes, I agree durka, 10
11:12 <Durka> u win the round and get 10 points (6+4)
11:13 <Lackadaisical> erm.. open team untill something better comes along
11:13 <K-Yo> Durka: reward for managing entering the zone
11:13 <Durka> but then the other team gets an extra 4 cuz they were 2nd?
11:13 <epsy> Durka, you can win by defending
11:13 <epsy> and get less points
11:13 <Durka> and it promotes attacking
11:13 <Durka> yea
11:13 <epsy> yes
11:13 <Durka> if anything 5/5
11:13 <hoop> The Lackamagical pffft
11:13 <K-Yo> 6/4 propotes attack yeah
11:13 <Durka> but thats stupid
11:13 <epsy> propotation!
11:13 <Durka> i say 10
11:13 <K-Yo> hoop: lool
11:13 <Durka> why give the other team points?
11:14 <Durka> of course ur not giving them to them
11:14 <epsy> why dieing?
11:14 <Durka> but they can get them
11:14 <hoop> wtf u talkin about :S
11:14 <Durka> ok listen
11:14 <Durka> end of the round
11:14 <Durka> heated battle in both zones
11:14 <Durka> 1 v 1 in both zones
11:14 <Durka> i kill epsy
11:14 <K-Yo> why not start a thread on forums, and each of us post a reply with the settings we want, we'll get them by democracy (one vote per team)
11:14 <Lackadaisical> 6-4 is a better representation of how the round went..
11:14 <Durka> i conquer zone
11:14 <epsy> Onoz! Onoz! Onozen!
11:14 <Durka> lack immediately dies and they get zone
11:14 <Durka> so i get 10 (6+4) and they get 4
11:14 <Durka> why?
11:14 <K-Yo> and here, we just need to make the list of the settings to vote for
11:14 <Durka> they lost
11:15 <Lackadaisical> the almost won
11:15 <Durka> yea
11:15 <Durka> but THEY LOST
11:15 <hoop> I agree: one vote per team
11:15 <Durka> the french almost beat michael phelps
11:15 <Durka> BUT THEY LOST
11:15 <Lackadaisical> and they got a silver medal
11:15 <epsy> that's gonna be a big mess hoop
11:15 <Durka> yes
11:15 <Durka> and the team that almost conquers the zone
11:15 <hoop> epsy: reason
11:15 <Durka> gets 2nd
11:15 <K-Yo> epsy: not if we ask one vote per team kindly
11:15 <hoop> ^^
11:16 <K-Yo> not that much spammerzs on aa forums
11:16 <epsy> hoop, half the teams wont even reply
11:16 -!- Lacrymosa [n=Lacrymos@p5484E29A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #armagetron
11:16 <Durka> true
11:16 <Durka> ^
11:16 <Lackadaisical> ah luzi
11:16 <Goodygumdrops> no reply: no vote
11:16 <Durka> \o Luzi
11:16 <hoop> epsy: their problem
11:16 <Lacrymosa> morning
11:16 <Lackadaisical> koz in the building
11:16 <K-Yo> we're all here, only Ww, DS and KOz lacking
11:16 <K-Yo> we can tell them
11:16 <epsy> the other ones will have healthy battles to decide what settings they want
11:16 <K-Yo> hi Lacrymosa
11:16 <epsy> so we'll end up with no votes
11:16 <K-Yo> now we only need Ww and DS
11:16 <Durka> ok
11:16 <epsy> no
11:16 <Durka> lets put that asie
11:16 <hoop> hi
11:16 <Durka> next one
11:16 <Durka> WINZONE
11:16 <epsy> half of the players from ct aren't here
11:16 <Lackadaisical> maybe we should compile a list with all pros and cons and leave the voting on the forums
11:16 <Durka> i say no winzone
11:17 <epsy> half the players from x aren't here
11:17 <epsy> etc
11:17 <Goodygumdrops> good idea, lacka
11:17 <K-Yo> epsy: I can contact them and get an answer in the day
11:17 <Durka> hey, i just wanna get a tenative list out there
11:17 <epsy> haha
11:17 <hoop> I don't agree with deciding things here STOP
11:17 <epsy> me neither
11:17 <K-Yo> same
11:17 <Durka> meh
11:17 <Durka> at least i started the discussion
11:17 <K-Yo> :P
11:17 <epsy> now we end it :D
11:17 <hoop> lol durk
11:17 <hoop> wd
11:17 <Lackadaisical> wd
11:18 <hoop> gj
11:18 <Lackadaisical> nt
11:18 <hoop> (nt)
11:18 <K-Yo> we can still post on forums, and if we don't get a representative part of the players, we will decide in another way?
11:18 <Durka> cycle_rubber
11:18 <epsy> Good game!
11:18 <Durka> i say 10
11:18 <Goodygumdrops> too low
11:18 <epsy> yes good idea
11:18 <Durka> 25?
11:18 <epsy> even better
11:18 <Goodygumdrops> yeah, that's better
11:18 <Durka> k good
11:18 <hoop> please listen my proposition
11:18 <K-Yo> hoop: ?
11:18 <hoop> each team will be asked to present
11:18 <epsy> i can't hear you!
11:18 <hoop> a list of votes
11:18 <Durka> o
11:19 <hoop> one vote per point
11:19 <Durka> and i think spam_protection should be 1
11:19 <epsy> :D
11:19 <epsy> why not -1 ?
11:19 <Lacrymosa> spectators should be silenced
11:19 <K-Yo> nah, cycle_rubber 0
11:19 <hoop> like HOLE 0, WINZONE no, etc
11:19 <K-Yo> score_hole, winzone, points, ... what else is to be decided?
11:20 <epsy> and spectator join messages should be shut off as well :x
11:20 <Durka> there are 4 things
11:20 <Lackadaisical> 2v2
11:20  * K-Yo agrees with epsy
11:20 <Durka> 1) score_hole
11:20 <Durka> 2) fortress conquering (2v2 issue)
11:20 <Durka> 3) scoring (10, 5/5, 6/4)
11:20 <Durka> 4) winzone
11:20 <K-Yo> yeah 2v2 conquerable too
11:20 <K-Yo> let's post and see how it goes
11:21 <Durka> keep in mind
11:21 <Durka> when u edit the setting to make 2 v 2 UNconquerable
11:21 <Durka> that changes most other scenarios
11:21 <Durka> and i beleve it makes conquering 2 v 1 take a lil longer, same as 1 v 0
11:21 <hoop> 1 vote per team, if one team misses that until a fixed date, its vote won't be counted
11:21 <Durka> not sure tho
11:21 <epsy> this wont work hoop
11:21 <K-Yo> hoop: they all have to be informed in time then
11:22 <Lackadaisical> i dont think a whole team can come to the same conclusions on all those points
11:22 <hoop> we have 2 weeks...
11:22 <Goodygumdrops> the only ones who aren't here have forums
11:22 <Goodygumdrops> ww and ds
11:22 <epsy> that's not much
11:22 <Goodygumdrops> we can tell them on their forums that they need to vote
11:22 <epsy> Goodygumdrops, no
11:22 <hoop> the team leader may decide
11:22 <Goodygumdrops> why not?
11:22 <epsy> ds refused to register on forums just to play on ed's
11:22 <Lacrymosa> why not leave the settings as they are
11:22 <epsy> so i doubt they have forum accounts
11:22 <Goodygumdrops> so they can register
11:22 <hoop> they won't voet than
11:22 <Goodygumdrops> it takes 2 seconds
11:22 <hoop> vote*
11:23 <K-Yo> or they can tell s1 that has an account
11:23 <hoop> we may fix the date to next sunday
11:23 <K-Yo> or they can tell it thru the wiki
11:23 <K-Yo> next sunday?
11:23 <Lackadaisical> oh i just heard from ds and ww that they all want to have 2v2 unconq
11:23 <epsy> hoop, that's WAY too short
11:23 <Goodygumdrops> lol
11:23 <Goodygumdrops> nice lacka
11:24 <Lacrymosa> I heard that as well ;)
11:24 <epsy> and it's exactly what Lackadaisical is saying that will happen
11:24 <hoop> epsy: scepticism ftw?
11:24 <Goodygumdrops> realism
11:25 <epsy> let's start nitpicking on realism vs scepticism
11:25 <Goodygumdrops> first
11:25 <hoop> do you mean that nobody in ds or ww will know there's a pending thread in forums?
11:25 <Goodygumdrops> I would like to nitpick on your spelling of skepticism
11:25 <epsy> balme it on hoop :d
11:25 <epsy> blame*
11:25 <Goodygumdrops> no, I think we will tell them, hoop
11:26 <hoop> so? what's the matter
11:26 <Goodygumdrops> I'm not sure, it is fine with me
11:26 <Lacrymosa> and if they dont vote, it's their fault
11:26 <Durka> http://durkas.info/ladle16.cfg
11:26 <hoop> ^^exactly
11:26 <Durka> thats what I have so far
11:26 <K-Yo> so, next sunday, or the sunday after?
11:26 <epsy> you will have internal clan/team conflicts appearing in the thread
11:26 <hoop> the sunday after we play
11:26 <Lacrymosa> once again, why dont we use the old settings
11:26 <K-Yo> ><
11:26 <K-Yo> true
11:26 <hoop> epsy: their problem
11:26 <Goodygumdrops> tell the clans to decide amongst themselves before they vote on the forums
11:26 <epsy> hoop, IN THE THREAD
11:26 <K-Yo> Lacrymose: we will I guess if there are not enough votes
11:27 <epsy> that's not only their problem if the thread gets fucked up
11:27 <Goodygumdrops> what are the old settings, lacrymosa?
11:27 <hoop> we don't really need a thread for that
11:27 <K-Yo> hoop: how will they vote then?
11:27 <epsy> excuse me, wtf were you saying 15 mins ago?
11:27 <hoop> email?
11:27 <Lacrymosa> erm, the ones used in the ladles before
11:27 <Goodygumdrops> I don't know what they are
11:27 <Goodygumdrops> do you?
11:27 <Goodygumdrops> :-)
11:28 <Goodygumdrops> I think they have changed over the years
11:28 <K-Yo> hoop: o_O, how could we check who said what, players could say "yeah I sent an email but u didn't read it!"
11:28 <Lacrymosa> no, but I'm sure there are people on the world who do know
11:28 <hoop> the team will provide the internal discussion itself, then present a list of votes
11:28 <Goodygumdrops> and some ladles have had different settings on different servers
11:28 <K-Yo> hoop: that is better
11:28 <Goodygumdrops> for instance, I remember playing a ladle that had score_hole 1 on some servers and 0 on others
11:28 <Goodygumdrops> certainly we know that orginally it was 0...since there was no setting
11:29 <epsy> until now, it has been: 1/ holing points depending on players and admin 2/ no winzone 3/ 2v2 conquerable and 4/ 10 pts all in one for winning
11:29 <K-Yo> done
11:29 <hoop> the team leader will be responsible to give durka, or who else the list before next sunday
11:29 <Goodygumdrops> until recently, it has been no holing points ever
11:29 <Durka> hoop
11:29 <Lacrymosa> I dont even know who my team leader is
11:29 <Goodygumdrops> haha, don't put durka in charge
11:29 <hoop> lol
11:30 <K-Yo> Lacrymosa xD
11:30 <Goodygumdrops> he's busy
11:30 <Durka> i dont think everyone should have a say
11:30 <Goodygumdrops> oh snap!
11:30 <Durka> what if all the teams decided
11:30 <hoop> not everyone: every team
11:30 <Durka> to increase the rubber to 15
11:30 <Durka> then what
11:30 <K-Yo> Here, we have to chose the settings for ladle 16.
11:30 <K-Yo> about these settings:
11:30 <K-Yo> [code]1) score_hole
11:30 <K-Yo> 2) fortress conquering (2v2 issue, conquerable or not)
11:30 <K-Yo> 3) scoring (10, 5/5, 6/4)
11:30 <K-Yo> 4) winzone (or deathzone, yes/no, when?)[/code]
11:30 <K-Yo> there is ONE vote per team on each of this settings, talk about this INTERNALLY, don't spam this thread with team talks.
11:30 <K-Yo> Please vote before October the 5th, and don't vote unless you're a team leader or had the agreement of your team leader to vote.
11:30 <Goodygumdrops> lol, it's a player-run tournament, durka
11:30 <epsy> pastebin >.>
11:30 <Lacrymosa> if the rubber will be increased, i'm out
11:30 <Goodygumdrops> same
11:30 <K-Yo> not that long
11:30 <hoop> Durka: we have 4 points to decide, nothing else
11:30 <epsy> K-Yo, how are we gonna c&p it?
11:30 <Goodygumdrops> if al lthe teams decide to ruin the settings, then Iw on't play
11:30 <Durka> Lacrymosa: im kidding obviously
11:30 <hoop> :P
11:31 <Goodygumdrops> let's have a win zone at the start of the round
11:31 <K-Yo> http://armagetron.pastebin.com/m266312b0
11:31 <Durka> LOL
11:31 <Goodygumdrops> and it gets smaller as the round goes on
11:31 <K-Yo> epsy: I can post it ;)
11:32 <K-Yo> why would team chose wuch stupid settings? open your eyes: tr, ct, ds, mc, lacks, x, ww, KO
11:32 <K-Yo> who would chose stupid settings?
11:32 <hoop> K-Yo: perfect
11:32 <K-Yo> or senceless
11:32 <epsy> me ?
11:32 <hoop> lol
11:32 <K-Yo> but there are 7 other teams
11:32 <Durka> keyo
11:32 <epsy> the first who finds the thread?
11:32 <Durka> dont post it
11:32 <Durka> plz dont
11:32 <K-Yo> ?
11:32 <Durka> im adding other stuff to it
11:32 <epsy> who are you going to email btw?
11:32 <K-Yo> ok
11:33 <hoop> only: the points should be explained
11:33 <K-Yo> yeah
11:33 <hoop> why should people spam it?
11:33 <K-Yo> Durka: show us before posting ;)
11:33 <Durka> i will
11:33 <epsy> before us posting Durka: show
11:34 <K-Yo> ;)
11:34 <hoop> Durka: quick!
11:34 <K-Yo> you forgot the ;) epsy
11:34 <epsy> i stripped it
11:34 <K-Yo> aah
11:35 -!- evaldusia [i=evaldusi@187-173-70.elekta.lt] has joined #armagetron
11:35 <K-Yo> hoop: people with no clan could want to talk about it, I asked not to spam the thread (no everyone finds this obvious)
11:36 <evaldusia> about what?
11:36 <hoop> true
11:36 <epsy> what do you mean, to not spam it?
11:36 <Goodygumdrops> we're talking about the best way to kidnap evaldusia
11:36 <hoop> epsy: forums post
11:36 <epsy> = to not post porn links?
11:36 <evaldusia> NO
11:36 <Goodygumdrops> we're going to vote on possible methods
11:36 <Durka> almost done
11:36 <hoop> Durka: timeout
11:37 <K-Yo> epsy: not to talk about this between team members on this thread
11:37 <epsy> @calc the number of seconds durka can stay online on irc
11:37 <teabot> epsy: The number of seconds Durka can stay online on irc = 30
11:37 <evaldusia> lol
11:37 <hoop> zomg thats not durka
11:37 <K-Yo> @calc?the?number?of?minutes?durka?can?stay?online?on?irc
11:37 <K-Yo> ah
11:37 <epsy> K-Yo, your client sucks
11:37 <K-Yo> yeah
11:37 <K-Yo> pidgin
11:37 <epsy> pidging suxxx
11:38 <epsy> lol
11:38 <K-Yo> coz of 1200
11:38  * hoop agrees
11:38 <Lacrymosa> since when do we have a teabot?
11:38 <K-Yo> and pidgin on windows sucks even more
11:38 <epsy> zomg cupofteaplz
11:38 <K-Yo> @pleasegimmetea
11:38 <epsy> zomg cupofteaplease
11:38 <teabot> Certainly, it would be a pleasure seeing as you asked so nicely.
11:39 <Lackadaisical> wait are we doing the one vote per team thing now?
11:39 <epsy> K-Yo, xchat anyone?
11:39 <K-Yo> zomg cupoftea
11:39 <hoop> yes
11:39 <K-Yo> K-Yo: had it, I'll prob put it back
11:39 <Lackadaisical> but i dont want to have to argue with monkey about these settings :(
11:39 <Goodygumdrops> hahaha
11:39 <K-Yo> but I use pidgin also for yahoo
11:39 <hoop> you decide
11:39  * epsy agrees with Lackadaisical 
11:39 <K-Yo> poor Lackadaisical
11:39 <Durka> ok now im officially done
11:39 <Lacrymosa> argueing with monkey is generally not a thing anybody wants to do
11:39 <epsy> K-Yo, i use pidging for msn/jabber etc
11:40 <epsy> not for irc
11:40 <K-Yo> show us, show us!
11:40 <epsy> because it sucks for irc
11:40 <hoop> Lacrymosa: 1200 ?
11:40 <Goodygumdrops> I can't convince some people to consider personalities when building their teams...
11:40 <hoop> Lackas team is not built at all
11:40 <Durka> http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/773/snapshot20080928024021ww0.png
11:41 <Durka> k look
11:41 <Durka> ^
11:41 <epsy> link?
11:41 <Goodygumdrops> looks good
11:41 <Lacrymosa> yeah
11:41 <Lacrymosa> but the colors suck
11:41 <Goodygumdrops> well...it doesn't LOOK good
11:41 <hoop> those points should be a bit explained imo
11:41 <Durka> i took a screenshot
11:41 <Goodygumdrops> I like what you ave written
11:41 <Durka> of the preview in arma forums
11:42 <Durka> gimme a break
11:42 <hoop> nvm
11:43 <Durka> ok
11:43 <Durka> so can i post it?
11:43 <epsy> Topic title: ZOMGLULZLADELSETTINGS
11:43 <hoop> no
11:43 <K-Yo> hoop: maybe just add: ask if you need more explainations?
11:43 <hoop> replace 'Please vote' with something stronger
11:43 <K-Yo> DO vote!
11:43 <Durka> k
11:43 <K-Yo> xD
11:43 <epsy> or just Vote
11:43 <Lacrymosa> Vote or die
11:43 <hoop> ^^
11:43 <epsy> VoD!
11:44 <Lacrymosa> lol
11:44 <K-Yo> or just put "if you don't vote, the other teams will be the ones choosing the settings"
11:44 <K-Yo> ><
11:44 <hoop> thats obvious
11:44 <Lackadaisical> am i the only one against one vote per team
11:44 <Lackadaisical> ?
11:44 <hoop> yes
11:44 <hoop> lol
11:44 <Lacrymosa> obviously
11:44 <K-Yo> seems so (among players here)
11:44 <hoop> what you'd do?
11:44 <Lackadaisical> meh
11:44 <hoop> one vote per player??
11:44 <Lackadaisical> take everones vote who's interested
11:44 <epsy> Lackadaisical, no
11:44 <Lackadaisical> yeah
11:44 <Lackadaisical> why not?
11:45 <K-Yo> Lackadaisical: make it democracycal in your team, so you won't get annoyed
11:45 <epsy> <Lackadaisical> am i the only one against one vote per team
11:45 <Lackadaisical> if they dont  vote they obviously dont care
11:45 <Lackadaisical> ah ok
11:45 <Lacrymosa> well, I dont mind if every player would be able to vote or not
11:45 <epsy> K-Yo, democracy IS annoying
11:45 <Durka> ok well i can edit my post
11:45 <Durka> but here
11:45 <Durka> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18717
11:45 <K-Yo> me neither, but there are some teams were we have more players than others
11:45 <epsy> you are the one with the most players atm
11:46 <K-Yo> we are obviously more in CT than in other teams, and I don't think anyone will be happy us having more votes than others
11:46 <K-Yo> (I don't mind personally)
11:46 <epsy> half of your team doesnt even know what the ladle is xD
11:46 <K-Yo> but I can tell them :D and get their votes
11:46 <Lackadaisical> well it's not like being in one team means you vote like all others in that team
11:46 <Lacrymosa> true
11:47 <hoop> also one vote per team would be simpler to parse
11:47 <Durka> i dont like this line
11:47 <K-Yo> let's do this: every player that wants to (and that plays in a team) votes, and we will do the average of each team
11:47 <Durka> Please talk about this internally (don't spam this thread with team discussions).
11:47 <K-Yo> then the avecrage of all teams averages
11:47 <Durka> I think ppl should be able to post their thoughts in that thread
11:47 <epsy> Lacrymosa, yeah
11:47 <epsy> Lackadaisical, *
11:47 <K-Yo> let's do it by player
11:47 <K-Yo> and make the calculus by team
11:47  * epsy agrees!
11:48 <K-Yo> by ourselves
11:48 <epsy> better
11:48 <Lackadaisical> durka maybe one place to vote, one thread to discuss?
11:48 <hoop> ?
11:48 <K-Yo> Lacagreed
11:48 <epsy> Lackadaisical, that would be 5 places
11:48 <K-Yo> ?
11:48 <hoop> <K-Yo> and make the calculus by team ??
11:48 <K-Yo> yeah
11:48 <Lacrymosa> I dont get that either hoop
11:48 <hoop> what does that mean
11:48 <K-Yo> if 10 cters voted and only 2 mc for eg
11:48 <Durka> ok im gonna BRB
11:48 <hoop> K-Yo: that would be ok
11:49 <K-Yo> the 2 mc choices will count as much as the 10 cters
11:49 <hoop> doesnt matter imo
11:49 <K-Yo> I do matter
11:49 <hoop> you do?
11:49 <epsy> yeah, (players from ct who voted yes)/(players from ct who voted)
11:49 <Lackadaisical> that would just make me not tell the others in m y team they can vote
11:49 <hoop> XD
11:49 <epsy> etc
11:49 <Lackadaisical> so my vote would count for 8!
11:49 <K-Yo> else we'll get annoyed for years because we ruined the ladle for chosing crappy settings
11:49 <Goodygumdrops> haha, lacka
11:49 <Goodygumdrops> if we do 1 vote per team
11:49 <Goodygumdrops> just don't tell them
11:49 <K-Yo> Lackadaisical: WE will tell them ;)
11:50 <epsy> Goodygumdrops, yup
11:50 <Lacrymosa> I'll just leave this voting stuff to my team cpt and focus on playing
11:50 <hoop> I am for 1 vote per player, don't care about teams
11:50 <Goodygumdrops> who's your captain?
11:50 <Goodygumdrops> lacry?
11:50 <epsy> Lacrymosa, but who is it?!
11:50 <Lackadaisical> isnt it 1200?
11:50 <Goodygumdrops> is he even registered on forums?
11:51 <Lacrymosa> I think he is
11:51 <Goodygumdrops> personally, I wouldn't leave anything up to 1200 haha
11:51 <K-Yo> is ANYONE against the one vote per player, without caring about teams?
11:52 <Goodygumdrops> I prefer one vote per team
11:52 <epsy> i'm not
11:52 <Lacrymosa> I dont mind
11:52 <epsy> or one vote per team, but each player can vote and then everything gets summed up
11:52 <hoop> ^^?
11:52 <Lacrymosa> we could out-sumo the settings as well
11:53 <epsy> player_1 settings
11:53 <K-Yo> okay, hoop and epsy anything against summing by team?
11:53 <K-Yo> hoop: you said u don't mind
11:53 <epsy> <epsy> or one vote per team, but each player can vote and then everything gets summed up
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11:53 <K-Yo> epsy: I don't know how we could do this, if CT votes, and 3 xers vote
11:53 <K-Yo> how will we do?
11:53 <Durka> back
11:53 <K-Yo> make the average of x, and count it as the team vote?
11:53 <epsy> divide by the number of people who voted
11:54 <Lackadaisical> one vote per players
11:54 <K-Yo> okay
11:54 <Lackadaisical> player*
11:54 <K-Yo> what is a "player"? someone that will be on the grid in one of the matches?
11:54 <pavelo> i don't know why you are making such a fuss about this thing... all the suggested settings still provide a symmetrical game, and don't change anything fundamental.... the only question is who can exploit them better...
11:54 <pavelo> if you took this time to invent strategies instead of arguing, you would be well better off
11:54 <K-Yo> :)
11:54 <Goodygumdrops> yeah
11:55 <Goodygumdrops> good call
11:55 <Goodygumdrops> I'm going to bed
11:55 <hoop> but it's funny :P
11:55 <Goodygumdrops> night
11:55 <Durka> ok
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11:55 <Lackadaisical> night
11:55 <Lacrymosa> night
11:55 <Durka> since freako's not around
11:55 <epsy> party time!
11:55 <Durka> i think ill just be in charge
11:55 <K-Yo> ok, let's just make people wote without much 'rules' and we'll see if a "major choice" comes up
11:55 <Durka> one vote per team
11:55 <Durka> thats it
11:55 <Durka> EOD
11:55 <hoop> ok
11:55 <epsy> how is the ladle YOURS ?
11:55 <Durka> i never said it was
11:55 <Durka> but i helped freako revive it
11:56 <epsy> ok so why are you insinuating that you and freako should decide?
11:56 <Lacrymosa> god bless america
11:56 <Durka> oO
11:56 <Durka> well
11:56 <K-Yo> I have some work to do
11:56 <K-Yo> later ;)
11:56 <Durka> cuz there wouldnt be a ladle in 2 weeks
11:56 <Durka> thats bad reasoning tho
11:56 <epsy> the main idea behind lidle is that everybody takes part in it's organization
11:56 <Durka> nonono
11:56 <epsy> the ladle*
11:56 <Durka> its that everybody takes part IN IT
11:57 <Durka> the idea is
11:57 <Durka> go to wiki challenge board
11:57 <Durka> throw ur name on a team
11:57 <Durka> show up
11:57 <Durka> play
11:57 <Durka> not to be involved with all the planning crap
11:57 <Durka> and settings, etc
11:57 <Durka> yes its player organized
11:57 <epsy> so why are we bothing with that?
11:57 <epsy> bothering*
11:57 <Durka> but that doesnt mean everyone has a say
11:57 <Durka> because i thought
11:57 <epsy> huh?
11:57 <Durka> the settings should be decided
11:57 <Lacrymosa> by the players
11:57 <Durka> since most every fort server has different ones
11:58 <Durka> so i came in here
11:58 <Durka> and asked u guys
11:58 <Durka> cuz i was making them tonight
11:58 <Durka> so 2maro, when we play vs OT, we have the ladle settings
11:58 <Durka> or something similar
11:58 <Durka> o
11:58 <Durka> and lack
11:58 <Durka> so for 2maro
11:58 <Durka> we have
11:58 <Durka> score_hole 0
11:58 <Durka> 10/0
11:58 <Durka> no winzone
11:58 <Durka> and 2 v 2 CONQUERABLE
11:58 <epsy> :)
11:58 <Lackadaisical> 2v2 unconq please
11:59 <hoop> lol
11:59 <epsy> it has always been 2v2 conquerable
11:59 <Durka> yes
11:59 <hoop> yea, time to change
11:59 <epsy> ..and fucking great like that, too
11:59 <Lackadaisical> time to change!
11:59 <Durka> well
11:59 <Lackadaisical> change we can believe in!
11:59 <Durka> thats why we have the bote
11:59 <Durka> BUT BUT BUT
11:59 <epsy> 2v2 unconquerable is sterile
11:59 <Durka> heres the problem
11:59 <Durka> actually nvr mind
11:59 <hoop> Durka: imo post that, 1 vote per team
12:00 <Durka> we'll see
12:00 <Durka> yea it is
12:00 <Durka> i already posted i thought
12:00 <hoop> right
12:00 <Lacrymosa> make a vote about the voting system
12:00 <epsy> no you didn't :d
12:00 <hoop> hehe
12:00 <epsy> Lacrymosa, how should we put up that poll?
12:00 <Lacrymosa> Either vote for a) Every player can vote or b) one vote per team
12:00 <Durka> no thats stupid
12:01 <Durka> we're wasting our time
12:01 <Durka> no
12:01 <Lacrymosa> really?
12:01 <Durka> wasting time
12:01 <Durka> besides
12:01 <Durka> we have to be logical
12:01 <Durka> if everyone voted score_hole 1
12:01 <Durka> but theres a clear reason why it should be score_hole 0
12:01  * hoop thought Lacrymosa was kidding
12:01  * Lacrymosa  was
12:01 <hoop> btw, I'd like to know if there's a deadline for signing up teammembers
12:02 <Durka> er, change everyone to 60%
12:02 <Lackadaisical> if everyone votes score_hole 1 we should go with score_hole 1
12:02 <epsy> hoop, in fact, you don't really have to
12:02 <Lackadaisical> even then
12:02 <Durka> if 60% vote score_hole 1
12:02 <Durka> blah w/e
12:02 <epsy> then we choose score_hole 1
12:02 <hoop> epsy: have to what?
12:02 <Lackadaisical> appearantly 60% of the voters think its logical to have hole_score 1
12:02 <Durka> yes
12:02 <Durka> but u have to realize
12:02 <epsy> <hoop> btw, I'd like to know if there's a deadline for signing up teammembers
12:02 <Durka> they might not be thinking logically
12:03 <Durka> notice how the fort population has declined?
12:03 <Lackadaisical> maybe the 40% isnt thinking logically
12:03 <epsy> do you think logically ?
12:03 <hoop> ok
12:03 <hoop> :P
12:03 <Durka> ppl dont see the big picture as to why to pick X setting
12:03 <Durka> well
12:03 <Durka> i think its safe to say
12:03 <Durka> ppl will pick no winzone
12:03 <epsy> to say 40% should win over 60%, probably isn't very logical itself
12:03  * Lacrymosa agrees with durka
12:04 <Lackadaisical> thats why i said we need another thread with discussion or a list with pros and cons
12:04 <Durka> as long as SP isnt voting ;P
12:04 <hoop> waitwait, how about we get 4 votes for scorehole and 4 against ?? oO
12:04 <Durka> then we'll address that at the time
12:04 <pavelo> well what's the big picture about hole scores, I'm really intereseted to hear that
12:04 <Durka> but i dont think we will
12:04 <Durka> ok here we go pav
12:04 <Durka> lets say ur in the middle of the map
12:04 <Durka> ur teammate crashes into lack
12:04 <Durka> u go thru the hole
12:04 <Durka> why should u get 1 point?
12:04 <Durka> moving on
12:04 <pavelo> why not ?
12:04 <epsy> for hunting a hole?
12:05 <Durka> ur attacking against madmax
12:05 <Lacrymosa> taking a hole is already an advantage
12:05 <Durka> he pwns u
12:05 <Lackadaisical> i think just the fact that there are people who are for and against score_hole 1 means that there is a bigger picture
12:05 <Durka> lack goes thru the hole
12:05 <Durka> now whats the reward we're looking at
12:05 <Durka> is it really the +1 ur concerned with?
12:05 <epsy> it gives the defender even less of an advantage
12:05 <Durka> NO
12:05 <Durka> the reward is getting into the zone
12:05 <Durka> which could potentially be +10
12:05 <epsy> he, by killing risks 1/ being holed and 2/ giving a point
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12:06 <Durka> exactly
12:06 <Durka> theres NO logical reason to pick score_hole 1
12:06 <Durka> if anything, it should be -2 or -1
12:06 <pavelo> what IS logical thinking? thinking the same way as you ?
12:06 <Durka> if ur gonna go thru the hole to get into their defense
12:06 <Durka> "the easy way"
12:06 <Durka> u should sacrifice some points
12:06 <Lacrymosa> no
12:07 <epsy> to give the attacker even more disadvantages? he is already penalied enough
12:07 <Durka> so its only +8 or +9 conquering
12:07 <Durka> but then thats stupid!
12:07 <Durka> so ZERO is the way to go
12:07 <Durka> agreed?
12:07  * Durka agrees
12:07 <Lacrymosa> zero ftw
12:07 <Durka> see guys, Durka agrees
12:07 <hoop> how about we get 4 votes for scorehole and 4 against ?? oO
12:07 <Durka> pavelo: yep
12:07 <Durka> im logical :D
12:07 <pavelo> hoop: worry about that later
12:07 <epsy> ur american :/
12:07 <Durka> hoop if that happnes
12:08 <Durka> epsy: im not republican
12:08 <Durka> bush ftl
12:08 <epsy> Durka, do not drink hot coffee!
12:08 <pavelo> you can always make it 0.5 pts (can you?)
12:08 <Durka> VPILF ftw?
12:08 <hoop> ok, no worries :P
12:08 <epsy> pavelo, no
12:08 <Durka> hoop
12:08 <Durka> if that happens
12:08 <pavelo> the scores are integral ?
12:08 <Lacrymosa> pav, that would lead to ugly scores
12:08 <hoop> epsy: change that setting to REAL too
12:08 <epsy> pavelo, score = int
12:08 <Durka> we'll just take the decision made here
12:08 <epsy> score_hole = int
12:08 <Durka> guys
12:08 <Durka> hoop brings up a good point
12:08 <Durka> IF the votes are tied
12:09 <Durka> we need a tie breaker
12:09 <Lacrymosa> me, me
12:09 <hoop> lol
12:09 <epsy> Durka, settings that were original
12:09 <Durka> i say the tie breaker be the decision we make RIGHT NOW
12:09 <Lacrymosa> flip a coin
12:09 <hoop> 'we' ?
12:09 <Durka> yes
12:09 <hoop> we who?
12:09 <Durka> we will take a vote right now
12:09 <pavelo> hoop: we = durka
12:09 <hoop> lol
12:09 <Durka> all who want to vote go to the ladle chanel
12:09 <epsy> Durka, no holes, 2v2 conq, no wz, and original scoring
12:09 <Durka>  /join #arma-ladle
12:09 <epsy> IE. what we had until recently
12:09 <Lackadaisical> tbh its always been like this, with 2020 usually taking the decision if noone else did
12:10 <Lacrymosa> why do we always need extra channels
12:10  * epsy proposes #armagetron.tourneys
12:10 <Lackadaisical> it's not like this one is being used for something else..
12:10 <Durka> to keep from the other 37 ppl voting
12:10 <Durka> o cmon just click the room
12:10 <Durka> are u that lazy
12:11 <hoop> vote for channel name now please
12:11 <hoop> Durka: pavelo is right: dont bother now about that
12:11 <hoop> that point may not even come up
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13:14 <K-Yo> guru3: maybe add a link to #armagetron.tourneys in this chan's topic
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14:38 <K-Yo> Flex: hoop: what are your GIDs?
14:39 <hoop> K-Yo: whats a GID?
14:39 <K-Yo> hoop@forums ?
14:40 <hoop> yes
14:40 <K-Yo> General ID
14:40 <K-Yo> ok
14:40 <K-Yo> you'll be mod on CT ladle fort
14:40 <K-Yo> I tihnk u have a match there no?
14:40 <hoop> do I? XD ok cool
14:41 <K-Yo> Flex: I used Flex@forums for you,tell me if I4m wrong
14:41 <hoop> K-Yo: our first match will be in a 'to be determined' server
14:43 <K-Yo> arf
14:43 <K-Yo> anyway, I mod 1 person per team
14:43 <K-Yo> and you know how to use the admin commands
14:44 <K-Yo> .si -v ladle
14:44 <tronner> K-Yo: Crazy Tronners Ladle Fortress ( running 0.2.8_alpha20080819 unix dedicated, url: http://www.crazy-tronners.com, Description: “AFL Fortress Settings.“, Players (1/26): cT¤K-Yo
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14:44 <K-Yo> this one
14:45 <hoop> ok =)
14:45 <Lackadaisical> K-Yo: are you going to use that server today?
14:45 <K-Yo> we have 2 lack
14:45 <Lackadaisical> we're looking for a server for our practice match tonight..
14:45 <K-Yo> .si -v fortress 2
14:45 <tronner> K-Yo: Crazy Tronners Ladle Fortress 2 ( running 0.2.8_alpha20080423 unix dedicated, url: http://www.crazy-tronners.com, Description: “Ladle Fortress Settings.“, Players (0/26):
14:46 <Lackadaisical> ah ok so we could use that one?
14:46 <K-Yo> there will be ladle fort, ladle fort 2 and prob fort café clone. we can't close café for one team, but there is prob on ladle fort who can be used by other players
14:46 <K-Yo> dunno, kyle is taking care of that
14:46 <K-Yo> I think flex already asked
14:46 <K-Yo> isn't he in ur team
14:46 <K-Yo> ?
14:46 <Lackadaisical> yeah
14:47 <akira_arma> when do we practice hoop?
14:47 <akira_arma> ;)
14:47 <Lackadaisical> he doesnt seem here atm but i guess he took care of it then, if you're giving him mod powers now
14:47 <K-Yo> lack: he has them on 1
14:48 <K-Yo> I"ll do the same for 2
14:48 <hoop> akira_arma: have you read the wiki discussion?
14:48 <akira_arma> no!
14:48 <hoop> akira_arma: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Talk:MATADO_CORE
14:49 <akira_arma> eh
14:49 <hoop> ;P
14:50 <akira_arma> we just need to find best spots for each
14:50 <akira_arma> ;)
14:51 <Lackadaisical> K-Yo: could i have them as well?
14:53 <K-Yo> Lack yep
14:53 <K-Yo> lack: only you or both of you?
14:53 <K-Yo> Lackadaisical@forums ?
14:53 <Lackadaisical> both of us preferably
14:53 <Lackadaisical> yeah
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14:58 <Ratchet--> h4llo
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15:07 <madmax> hi
15:07 <hoop> hi
15:08 <hoop> madmax: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18717
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15:14 <madmax> ah, just read that. I guess I'd pretty much agree with durka's settings, just not sure about the 10/6-4 scoring
15:15 <madmax> has any competition been played with 6-4?
15:16 <Monkey_arma> I like the 10 scoring system myself
15:16 <hoop> idk, I'd vote 6/4
15:19 <K-Yo> me too
15:19 <Lackadaisical> yeah there was a whole discussion on it
15:19 <Lackadaisical> i'd really rather not go through it again
15:19 <hoop> no!
15:19 <K-Yo> same
15:19 <hoop> I wanted to post it for madmax' pleasure but i can't get the logs :S
15:20 <K-Yo> hoop: I have them
15:20 <hoop> K-Yo: http://rafb.net/paste/
15:20 <madmax> where? here on the #?
15:20 <Lackadaisical> partly here, partly on #armagetron.tourneys which was then still #arma.ladle
15:21 <madmax> oh
15:21 <hoop> madmax: I'd make an average of teammembers' votes, let me know
15:21 <K-Yo> http://key3113.free.fr/2008-09-28.105410+0200CEST.html
15:22 <K-Yo> I left after / before
15:22 <K-Yo> I don't have everything
15:22 <K-Yo> but most of it
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15:25 <Lackadaisical> half of that discussion was deciding about how we were going to decide on settings
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15:27 <madmax> lol
15:27 <K-Yo> xD
15:27 <K-Yo> true
15:27  * madmax is reading it
15:27 <hoop> madmax: it's missing the best part though :S
15:31 <Lackadaisical> noone has a log of arma.ladle?
15:32 <K-Yo> hoop: the best part is before or after?
15:33 <hoop> in #arma-ladle
15:33 <pavelo> i can paste the thing if you reaaaaaaaaally want to
15:33 <hoop> hehe
15:34 <hoop> I can't get the log cause #arma-ladle is redirecting to #armagetron.tourneys :\
15:34 <K-Yo> I must haz it
15:35 <K-Yo> http://key3113.free.fr/2008-09-28.122440+0200CEST.html
15:35 <K-Yo> herez
15:36 <hoop> lol 80% Durkas
15:40 <madmax> meh, 6/4 I guess
15:40 <madmax> bbl
15:43 <hoop> ok cu
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16:31 <Concord> #aka candy concoction
16:31 <armabot> Concord: I don't know anything about 'candy_concoction'!
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16:38 <epsy> #aka b-bird
16:38 <armabot> epsy: I don't know anything about 'b-bird'!
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17:25 <hoop> hoax: is that on forum x clan's vote?
17:34 <ivantis> #aka ivantis
17:34 <armabot> ivantis: ¿15643 ivantis
17:34 <ivantis> #aka cybird
17:34 <armabot> ivantis: I don't know anything about 'cybird'!
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17:43 <epsy> there we go
17:47 <hoax> hoop, no just mine :o
17:48 <hoop> hoax: "but don't vote unless you're a team leader, or have the agreement of your team leader to vote"
17:49 <epsy> we have no team leader
17:49 <hoax> heh then ill update it once ive convinced epsy 6/4 is better than 10 :D
17:49 <hoop> gl
17:49 <epsy> actually, i don't care
17:49 <hoax> lol
17:50 <epsy> i prefer 10/0 or 5/5, but i'm fine if it's 6/4
17:50 <hoop> anyway it should be 1 vote per team
17:51 <hoax> Ok my post is x's vote.
17:52 <epsy> do we need, as xclan players, to confirm what hoax posted is our vote?
17:52 <Monkey_arma> hi corn
17:54 <hoop> hoax: just edit ur post specifing that it's x team's vote
17:55 <hoax> hoop, already done
17:55 <hoop> cooooool :P
17:56 <hoax> btw hoop if told u to wake up its bc you were afk at start <3
17:56 <hoop> did you?
17:56 <hoax> lol
18:01 <Corn> hey monkey
18:17 <ivantis>  
18:18 <ivantis> #corn
18:18 <ivantis> #corn
18:18 <armabot> CORN!
18:18 <Corn> yes?
18:18 <ivantis> no?
18:18 <Corn> sorry my arma client is on top of my irc
18:18 <ivantis> nl3993msd!
18:19 <ivantis> man
18:19 <Corn> sorry?
18:19 <ivantis> i havent played in a while
18:19 <ivantis> what server?
18:19 <Corn> playing on fortress cafe ct remake
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18:44 <_Ratchet> hi corn
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18:55 <Corn> hey ratch
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18:57 <K-Yo> anyone has the ability to lock this: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=19940 ?
18:58 <K-Yo> seems it's the only way to stop child-like acts ><
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19:03 <epsy> K-Yo, uhm...that topic is 3 years old
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19:04 <madmax> why would you want to close a thread about server artwork!! :(
19:04 <Monkey_arma> K-Yo lol
19:04 <madmax> anyway, tank is the only moderator
19:04 <Monkey_arma> and yes please do lock the thread
19:04 <epsy> now, can guru3 please split this off: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=199401#199401
19:04 <epsy> Monkey_arma, why would one lock that?!
19:05 <Monkey_arma> not that thread
19:05 <epsy> we are talking about « Breakfast artwork request »
19:05 <Monkey_arma> i dont think K-Yo meant that one
19:05 <epsy> <http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=19940>
19:05 <epsy> well that's what he wrote
19:05 <Monkey_arma> i know he did
19:05 <Monkey_arma> but i think he made an error
19:06 <epsy> why do you want to lock a topic, when you don't even know what topic we're talking about?!
19:08 <Monkey_arma> epsy i am pretty sure K-Yo means this one:
19:08 <Monkey_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=199404&sid=bf138245368d2095e9ab7771c29f9a65#199404
19:08 <epsy> your argument about w/e ?
19:08 <Monkey_arma> K-Yo agreed?
19:09 <K-Yo> I meant that one indeed
19:09 <K-Yo> arf, I missed the last char
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19:12 <hoop> that topic looks selflocked already, doesn't it?
19:13 <K-Yo> hoop: don't dream too much
19:13 <epsy> no, Monkey will keep arguing while it's obvious that he's lieing
19:13 <hoop> ehehe, I didnt read well indeed
19:13 <Monkey_arma> ok enough man we need to stop this
19:13 <Monkey_arma> lol
19:14 <epsy> because you got pwnt and have no way to prove anything?
19:14 <K-Yo> epsy: stfu plz ><
19:14 <K-Yo> it's ok
19:14 <Monkey_arma> epsy speak to wrtl if it really makes you happy otherwise, as K-Yo suggest, stfu
19:14 <K-Yo> just let it go
19:14 <K-Yo> both Monkey_arma and hoax are full totally wrong and we're done :D
19:14 <Monkey_arma> heh
19:14 <Monkey_arma> !
19:14 <K-Yo> Monkey_arma: stfu u too :P
19:14 <Ttech> 1000$$$$
19:14 <Ttech> 0ow0.
19:14 <Ttech> 20o2
19:14 <epsy> Monkey_arma, actually, i don't give a fuck, except if it's to ruin your point.
19:15 <Monkey_arma>  /ignore epsy: done
19:15 <epsy> WEEEEEEEEEEE!
19:15 <madmax> I think you need to do a full contact fight in order to sort things out. please do record it and put it in youtube though
19:15 <epsy> some freeness here!
19:15 <K-Yo> madmax: /me agrees
19:15 <epsy> no more arguing as soon as i talk!
19:15 <K-Yo> virtual talk-fight sucks
19:15 <epsy> forums suck
19:16 <madmax> indeed. there's too many of those K-Yo
19:16 <epsy> now i can say things about Monkey_arma in his back :o)
19:16 <hoop> lol
19:19 <epsy> while I'm still ignored, why doesn't http://monkey.mastercontrolprogram.de/vip/ lead anywhere now?
19:19 <hoop> Monkey_arma: me hopes you didn't take my opinion as personally against you, although your answer looks like that. I really have nothing against you, I just said what I think
19:19 <Monkey_arma> me too hoop
19:19 <Monkey_arma> i was just stating my view on modding
19:20 <Monkey_arma> i believe mod should not have to be popular but should use powers when people take the piss
19:20 <Monkey_arma> i do think you dont use it enough
19:20 <hoop> heh, not while I'm playing
19:20 <Monkey_arma> lazy ;)
19:21 <hoop> btw "I dont teach noobs" is the bigger lie ever :P
19:21 <Monkey_arma> a little u do but not a lot
19:21 <Monkey_arma> you just seem to get on with your playing
19:21 <hoop> what seems is not what it is
19:21 <Corn> why are you guys fighting, the issue is over
19:22 <Monkey_arma> but you are not a badmin, i am not saying that
19:22 <hoop> fighting?
19:22 <Monkey_arma> we not fighting
19:22 <Corn> arguing w/e
19:22 <hoop> whats wrong with arguuing
19:22 <Corn> didnt really mean you two
19:22 <hoop> k
19:22 <Monkey_arma> if you mean hoax then that is different but lets leave that alone
19:22 <hoop> nothing wrong with fighting too
19:22 <Corn> it can have its problems
19:23 <hoop> imo mostly fighting solves problems
19:23 <Corn> but sometimes starts them
19:23 <hoop> unless you use violence
19:23 <hoop> hehe, bullshits ftw
19:23 <Corn> violence isnt very possible over the internet
19:23 <epsy> <Clarence voice> come on we all know Monkey_arma wants is just trying to bash others to hide the fact that he's lieing all the way
19:24 <madmax> Corn: you could have access to a nuclear missile silo
19:24 <hoop> lolmax
19:24 <Corn> :P
19:25 <Corn> unless your bombing someones internets then thats violence in real life but w/e
19:25 <madmax> no no, bomb the guy's home!
19:25 <hoop> epsy: clearance voice doesn't need to be claimed
19:25 <Corn> lol
19:25 <epsy> clarence, i said clarence, not clearance
19:26 <Corn> thought it said clearance aswell :P
19:26 <hoop> I don't see the difference though XD
19:26  * hoop is a noob
19:26 <epsy> the reference might not be obvious
19:26 <epsy> it is not obvious, indeed
19:26 <Corn> whats it from? some movie? book?
19:27 <epsy> but well, if you don't get the reference, forget about it
19:27 <hoop> well, you know that I know what you know about what I mean
19:27 <Corn> "well, you know that I know what you know about what I mean"
19:27 <hoop> stoler
19:27 <hoop> stealer*?
19:27 <Corn> read that twice i dont have a clue what you are saying
19:27 <epsy> yes, stealer
19:28 <epsy> or thief
19:28 <hoop> man my eng sucks
19:28 <hoop> Corn: me neither
19:28 <hoop> neither me*?
19:29 <hoop> woooot warm chicken calling me bye :PPP
19:29 <epsy> K-Yo, VIP sucks doesn't it?
19:32 <Flex> wow you're a dick epsy
19:33 <epsy> Flex, was just proving K-Yo i'm on Monkey_arma's ignore
19:33 <Flex> that's how you prove it
19:34 <epsy> that's the best and probably only way to prove it
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19:45 <MrBougo> #help crazylate
19:45 <armabot> MrBougo: (crazylate <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "babelize spanish english [babelfish translate english spanish $*]".
19:45 <akira_arma> .tea
19:45 <tronner> akira_arma: Fortress Café - CT's clone: Players (2/32): CT_emmy, ~|DS|~G5 (G5@forums)
19:46 <Corn> akira wanna play fort
19:46 <akira_arma> hoop
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19:57 <pavelo> #crazylate akira wanna play fort
19:58 <armabot> pavelo: Error: Babelfish has foiled our plans by changing its webpage format.
19:58 <pavelo> :/
20:07 <Ttech> pavelo, yea its bint like that bor muchs?
20:08 <Monkey_arma> Ttech when are we going to see you playing fort?
20:08 <pavelo> Ttech, could you elaborate on that
20:09 <Ttech> Monkey_arma,  I was playing?
20:09 <Monkey_arma> Ttech you were?
20:09 <Monkey_arma> as?
20:09 <ivantis> someone tell me how this website im working on is coming
20:10 <Ttech> Monkey_arma, the_Doctor?
20:10 <Ttech> Err The Doctor
20:10 <Lackadaisical> what website?
20:10 <ivantis> im making a site for the extra-cirricular program at my school
20:10 <ivantis> http://pace.us.to
20:10 <Ttech> armabot, fetch pace.us.to
20:10 <armabot> Ttech: Error: 'pace.us.to' is not a valid url.
20:10 <Ttech> :(
20:10 <epsy> @ls the doctor
20:10 <Ttech> armabot, fetch http://pace.us.to
20:10 <teabot> epsy: timed out
20:11 <Ttech> I'm that notable!
20:11 <Ttech> woo
20:11 <epsy> teabot, fail
20:11 <armabot> Ttech: timed out
20:11 <Lackadaisical> dont see anything ivantis
20:11 <Ttech> !botjoin
20:11 <ivantis> the page is kind of, large
20:11 <Ttech> @help ls
20:11 <teabot> Ttech: (ls <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "lastseen $*".
20:11 <Ttech> @help lastseen
20:11 <teabot> Ttech: (lastseen <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "fetch [format concat http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/serverlist/lastseen.php?player= [format join + $*]]".
20:11 <ivantis> and i host it on a slow DSL connection
20:11 <Lackadaisical> i get a timeout
20:11 <ivantis> it probably wont load for you
20:11 <ivantis> what country?
20:11 <Lackadaisical> netherlands
20:11 <ivantis> uh
20:11 <Lackadaisical> ah k
20:11 <ivantis> no
20:11 <Ttech> USA?
20:11 <epsy> @fetch http://pace.us.to/
20:11 <ivantis> yeah
20:11 <teabot> epsy: '<html>\n<head><title>CJHS PACE Program</title>\n</head>\n<body bgcolor=#FF958E text=#320EFE>\n<center><h2>Central Jr. High School PACE Program</h2>\n<br />\n<!--Start-->HOME PAGE TEXT<!--End-->\n<br />\n<br />\n<hr />\n<a href=/about.html>About</a> | <a href=/events.html>Current Activities</a> | <a href=http://schools.usd497.org/cjhs/ target=_BLANK>School Website</a> | <a href=/index.html>Home (1 more message)
20:11 <Ttech> it still fails
20:12 <Ttech> :>
20:12 <epsy> #fetch http://pace.us.to/
20:12 <armabot> epsy: '<html>\n<head><title>CJHS PACE Program</title>\n</head>\n<body bgcolor=#FF958E text=#320EFE>\n<center><h2>Central Jr. High School PACE Program</h2>\n<br />\n<!--Start-->HOME PAGE TEXT<!--End-->\n<br />\n<br />\n<hr />\n<a href=/about.html>About</a> | <a href=/events.html>Current Activities</a> | <a href=http://schools.usd497.org/cjhs/ target=_BLANK>School Website</a> | <a (1 more message)
20:12 <ivantis> it just worked for armabot
20:12 <ivantis> and teabot
20:12 <ivantis> anyway
20:12 <Ttech> aah
20:12 <epsy> teabot is in USA
20:12 <Ttech> wacik
20:12 <ivantis> its just a start
20:12 <Ttech> epsy, So is The_Pastor
20:12 <Ttech> ~nick The_Pastor
20:12 <ivantis> how do you get supybot hosting epsy?
20:12 <epsy> @ls The_Pastor
20:12 <Lackadaisical> you should use css for styling
20:12 <Ttech> oh
20:12 <ivantis> #ls epsy
20:12 <teabot> epsy: timed out
20:12 <ivantis> css?
20:13 <ivantis> i just started the day before yesterday
20:13 <armabot> ivantis: =>FcT<=epsy has last been seen on Fortress Café - CT's clone 2 hours 58 minutes ago.
20:13 <ivantis> nothing serious yet
20:13 -!- Ttech is now known as The_Pastor
20:13 -!- The_Pastor is now known as Ttech
20:13 <ivantis> FcT?
20:13 <epsy> @ls -g epsy@xclan.armagetron.co.uk/member
20:13 <teabot> epsy: =>FcT<=epsy has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Open Sumo 3 hours 24 minutes ago.
20:13 <ivantis> epsy, what is that?
20:13 <ivantis> btw
20:13 <epsy> lol!
20:13 <ivantis> what is RINCLUDE?
20:13 <ivantis> how do i use that?
20:13 <pippijn> remote include, I suppose
20:13 <ivantis> right
20:13 <ivantis> but
20:13 <epsy> resource-include
20:13 <ivantis> how do i use it?
20:13 <ivantis> oh
20:13 <epsy> copy & paste?
20:13 <pippijn> oh
20:13 <ivantis> on the forums
20:14 <ivantis> it was
20:14 <pippijn> oh well
20:14 <pippijn> good guess I suppose :-D
20:14 <ivantis> RINCLUDE DDMJ@forums/some-file.cfg
20:14 <ivantis> how do i upload stuff to my forums account for that
20:14 <epsy> you can't, i'm currently just faking that
20:14 <ivantis> well, that would be a great idea
20:15 <epsy> but my job is to make that possible
20:15 <ivantis> does it work in 0.2.8
20:15 <ivantis> and sty?
20:15 <epsy> should work
20:15 <ivantis> kay
20:15 <epsy> epsy@epsy 0.2.8 $ ./armagetronad --doc | grep -i rinclude
20:15 <epsy> RINCLUDE                     Includes a file using the resource system. Use the direct link syntax to your profit here.
20:15 <ivantis> go to http://pace.us.to/admin
20:15 <epsy> [ note the very original network name ]
20:16 <ivantis> see if you can guess the password
20:16 <epsy> zomg title http://pace.us.to/admin
20:16 <teabot> epsy: HTTP Error 401: Authorization Required
20:16 <ivantis> see if you can guess the password is what i said
20:16 <ivantis> but it probably wont load for you
20:16 <epsy> hmm this just sounds like an invitation to run a BF attack
20:16 <ivantis> my hosting will probably be fine, the site is only going to serve people in my town
20:17 <epsy> what's the user name?
20:17 <ivantis> admin
20:17 <ivantis> whats the password?
20:17 <ivantis> password
20:17 <ivantis> how original is that?
20:17 <ivantis> password as the password
20:17 <epsy> quite a bit
20:17 <Ttech> query teabot
20:18 <Ttech> wait wtf
20:18 <ivantis> on my dads old computer, he didnt remember that there was a password on it
20:18 <Ttech> what features with the last seen does teabot / armabot have?
20:18  * Ttech can't figure out the last seen lengh thing that they use
20:18 <ivantis> and when he went to use it, he couldnt remember the password
20:18 <ivantis> the password was password
20:18 <ivantis> hahaha
20:18 <epsy> they are both using the same script currently
20:18 <ivantis> it was funny
20:18 <ivantis> anyway, epsy, you log in to it?
20:18 <epsy> i am logged in
20:18 <ivantis> edit.html
20:19 <ivantis> ZOMG DATS HAX ?
20:19 <ivantis> you is lame
20:19 <epsy> lulz
20:19 <ivantis> i wrote a perl script that lets them edit the thing without touching HTML
20:19 <ivantis> all the technophobe teachers
20:20 <Ttech> @last The_Doctor
20:20 <teabot> Ttech: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns (1 more message)
20:20 <epsy> should i have also entered the response hearders? it's timing out
20:20 <Ttech> ^^ that command
20:20 <Ttech> I don't think I have but what plugin is it a part of.
20:20 <Ttech> !botjoin
20:20 <epsy> Ttech, that's for chatlogs
20:20 <ivantis> response hearders??
20:20 <ivantis> huh?
20:20 <epsy> @plugin last
20:20 <teabot> epsy: The "last" command is available in the Misc plugin.
20:20 <Ttech> epsy, mmm custom then would assuem?
20:20 <epsy> @list misc
20:20 <Ttech> @help last
20:20 <teabot> epsy: apropos, help, last, list, more, ping, source, tell, and version
20:20 <teabot> Ttech: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; --nolimit returns (1 more message)
20:20 <Ttech> oh
20:20 <epsy> that's the default misc plugin, except some minor changes, if i remember correctly
20:21 <ivantis> EEEERRRZZZZZ 	SPPAAAMMM 	8?
20:21 <ivantis> was that you?
20:21 <Ttech> mmm
20:21 <epsy> hrhr
20:21 <Ttech> ivantis, what?
20:21 <ivantis> not you
20:21 <ivantis> epsy
20:21 <Ttech> no
20:21 <Ttech> oh
20:21 <epsy> i think you gotta have to change your passwords
20:21 <Ttech> ska
20:21 <epsy> because it was not me
20:21 <ivantis> http://schools.usd497.org/cjhs/
20:21 <ivantis> who the hell wrote that document?
20:22 <ivantis> they left the page title as "Untitled Document"
20:22 <ivantis> HTML noobs
20:23 <epsy> someone who uses Dreamlife ?
20:23 <epsy> or Gowaver, whatever
20:23 <ivantis> i just use gedit
20:23 <epsy> gvim for me
20:23 <ivantis> and i already made something better then that
20:23 <ivantis> gvim?
20:23 <ivantis> never heard of it
20:23 <Ttech> Nico Marquardt, a 13-year-old from Germany, was reported to have produced a collision estimate of 1 in 450 (100 times greater than NASA's calculation) in April 2008, by factoring in the possibility of Apophis running into one or more of the geosynchronous satellites orbiting Earth during its flyby on April 13, 2029. This estimate was allegedly then confirmed by ESA and NASA[21][22] but in an official statement[23], NASA denied having c
20:23 <Ttech> >:
20:24 <hoop> ivantis: kompozer's not bad
20:24 <Ttech> kompozzer
20:24 <ivantis> kompozer...
20:24 <epsy> kompozomger
20:24 <ivantis> isnt that a music thing?
20:24 <ivantis> it lets you edit music clips i think
20:24 <hoop> @g kompozer
20:24 <teabot> hoop: http://www.kompozer.net/ - KompoZer - Easy web authoring
20:24 <epsy> it's a fork of NVU
20:24 <ivantis> oh
20:25 <Ttech> how many porks of NVU are there?
20:25 <ivantis> eww
20:25 <ivantis> gvim is gross
20:25 <ivantis> i do not like it
20:25 <ivantis> <script type=text/javascript>document.write(LOLOLOL);
20:25 <ivantis> </script>?
20:25 <ivantis> epsy
20:25 <hoop> i use gedit too though
20:25 <Ttech> I hate givm
20:26 <Ttech> orim
20:26 <ivantis> quit being immature
20:26 <ivantis> and it didnt even work
20:26 <epsy> learn to sanitize your sql queries correctly, that's not my fault
20:26 <ivantis> sql?
20:27 <ivantis> i do not use sql
20:27 <Ttech> ivantis, me?
20:27 <Ttech> (
20:27 <epsy> or w/e, the "" just got stripped
20:27  * Ttech is failing to much.
20:27 <ivantis> because sql is for dorks
20:27 <ivantis> …
20:27 <ivantis> yes
20:27 <ivantis> i think it strips "s
20:27 <ivantis> for some reason
20:27 <epsy> it does
20:27 <ivantis> fuck!
20:27 <ivantis> that will be an issue
20:29 <ivantis> i think that should have fixed it...
20:29 <epsy> darn, links does not support http authing
20:30 <ivantis> wtf are you doing?
20:31 <epsy> trying to get a faster connection
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20:32 <noob13> hi!
20:33 <Durka> \o
20:34 <Durka> Lackadaisical: its in 56 minutes right?
20:34 <Durka> not 4 minutes ago
20:34 <epsy> hrhr
20:34 <Lackadaisical> yes
20:34 <Durka> k g00d
20:35 <Durka> i think we're going to have 5 maybe 6
20:35 <pavelo> do you need players ?
20:35 <ivantis> hi Dorka
20:35 <epsy> hrhr
20:36 <Durka> umm
20:36 <Durka> im sure we'll be fine
20:36 <Durka> we'll have at least 6 for the ladle
20:36 <Durka> most likely 7
20:36 <Durka> and if xfroggy shows up
20:36 <Durka> hes been gone for 11 days
20:36 <Durka> no one knows where
20:36 <Durka> he didnt tell us he was leaving oO
20:37 <epsy> :O
20:38 <pavelo> i was talking about today, not the ladle, but w/e
20:38 <Durka> can someone explain to me the arma tourneys channel
20:38 <Durka> er
20:38 <ivantis> man
20:38 <Durka> we'll play with our crew
20:38 <Durka> maybe lack needs one
20:39 <epsy> Durka, can you read our messages on #armagetron.tourneys ? Oo
20:39 <ivantis> my computer applications teacher is such a HTML noob
20:39 <Durka> no i cant
20:39 <epsy> Oo
20:39 <ivantis> well, not noob
20:39 <Durka> but it shows there're new msgs
20:39 <epsy> try to rejoin perhaps
20:39 <Durka> k
20:39 <ivantis> but he does everything like a slacker
20:39 <ivantis> he told us to do breaks <br>
20:39 <ivantis> lazy
20:39 <ivantis> it should be <br />
20:39 <Durka> haha
20:40 <ivantis> and he doesnt enclose anything with quotes unless it contains a space
20:40 <epsy> it's maybe colloquy which is handling channel redirections badly
20:40 <ivantis> and doesnt put # in front of color codes
20:40 <Durka> ivantis: thats why html sux
20:40 <Durka> xhtml ftw
20:40  * epsy agrees 100%
20:40 <ivantis> i wish the browser was like a C++ compiler
20:40 <epsy> that's what xml is for!
20:40 <ivantis> it would yell at you if you did anything wrong
20:40 <ivantis> see?
20:40 <epsy> you made a little typo? FAIL!
20:41 <ivantis> that would be so nice
20:41 <epsy> ivantis, that's what xml, and then it's application, xhtml were designed to be
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20:41 <ivantis> are there any odd versions of linux servers that dont have grep?
20:42 <epsy> install it?
20:42 <ivantis> grep and cat are common things to all linux, right?
20:42 <ivantis> no, i mean...
20:42 <epsy> http://www.gnu.org/software/grep/
20:42 <epsy> to GNU/Linux, yes
20:42 <ivantis> i will be transferring this site im making to a Linux server
20:42 <ivantis> owned by my school
20:42 <ivantis> and some of the scripts need grep
20:42 <epsy> now nothing prevents me from giving you a linux distrib with grep stripped
20:42 <ivantis> is perl common too?
20:43 <epsy> no
20:43 <epsy> but anyways, you can install it
20:43 <ivantis> no
20:43 <ivantis> i am not admin to my schools server
20:43 <ivantis> …
20:43 <epsy> ivantis, that resource repo @ xclan is versionned, and bzr wasn't installed
20:43 <ivantis> i just had a great idea
20:43 <epsy> it did not take much to install it on my account
20:44 <ivantis> ill bet my schools server has a better connection than any of luke-jr's
20:44 -!- Liza [n=Liza@p5B25EA8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #armagetron
20:44 <ivantis> i wonder if i could bribe someone to let me administrate a small part of it...
20:44 <ivantis> and then install an arma server and dominate in non-lag!
20:44 <Durka> flashyy!
20:44 <ivantis> luke would be jealous
20:44 <ivantis> ha
20:45 <epsy> Liza, ping! >.>
20:46 <ivantis> woah!
20:46 <ivantis> i had an even better idea!
20:46 <ivantis> to get peoples passwords to stuff
20:47 <ivantis> you know how people use the same password for most everything?
20:47 <Liza> hi Durka ^^
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20:47 <ivantis> …
20:47 <epsy> like..me, and everyone?
20:47 <ivantis> nevermind that wouldnt work
20:47 <ivantis> but the idea was
20:47 <epsy> AAGID!
20:47 <ivantis> make a script that scrambles theyre password
20:48 <ivantis> and then one to unscramble it
20:48 <ivantis> so it looks encrypted
20:48 <epsy> meh
20:48 <epsy> there's better stuff
20:48 <epsy> i'd like to use RSA authentication over http tbh
20:48 <ivantis> and they email the "encrypted" one to you, "unencrypt" it, and bang! you got it
20:48 <epsy> you know
20:48 <ivantis> that would be so mean though
20:49 <epsy> the best security with passwords
20:49 <pippijn> ivantis: that's phishing
20:49 <epsy> is to make them impossible to un-scramble
20:49 <ivantis> …
20:49 <ivantis> duh
20:49 <ivantis> thats what i used on the site you were just on
20:50 <ivantis> http://webinfo.inch.com/server/apache/htpasswd.html
20:50 <ivantis> that
20:50 <epsy> yes..i know that
20:50 <epsy> that's the same thing that's in place here <http://tst.armagetron.co.uk/>
20:51 <ivantis> what program does it use to do that?
20:51 <ivantis> This page is designed to spare you from having to generate your passwords form a Telnet session.
20:51 <epsy> don't try guessing the username/password, i don't even remember them myself
20:51 <ivantis> what program could you run
20:51 <epsy> ?
20:52 <epsy> to get passwords?
20:52 <ivantis> yes
20:52 <epsy> pshhh
20:52 <ivantis> to generate encryptions
20:52 <ivantis> bash: pshhh: command not found
20:52 <epsy> to make .htpasswd files i use..the htpasswd utility
20:52 <ivantis> oh
20:52 <pippijn> epsy: uuuh, nifty ;-D
20:56 <Durka> hey on a side note
20:56 <Durka> does anyone get prompted with a password
20:56 <Durka> when lucifer has posted in a topic
20:56 <Lackadaisical> yeah i do
20:56 <epsy> heh
20:56 <Durka> the image in his sig is from his site
20:56 <Durka> davefancella.com
20:56 <Durka> and thats pw protected :\
20:56 <epsy> i just get a timeout
20:57 <Lackadaisical> i sent him a pm
20:57 <epsy> Lucifer, ping, your siggy is fuxt!
20:57 <Lackadaisical> maybe just ping him in here
20:58 <epsy> zomg fetch http://www.davefancella.com/ilovepeopleeating.png
20:58 <teabot> epsy: timed out
20:58 <Durka> zomg
20:58 <Durka> is that the trigger?
20:58 <Durka> rofl
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20:59 <epsy> @, zomg, urmum
20:59 <epsy> and also # on other channels
20:59 <pippijn> epsy: it times out
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20:59 <epsy> pippijn, it indeed does time out
21:00 <ivantis> what happened to davefancella.com anyway?
21:00 <epsy> it's probably turned off
21:00 <Durka> yea idk
21:00 <ivantis> account expired
21:00 <ivantis> idk
21:00 <epsy> Durka, opera?
21:00 <Durka> safari
21:01 <Durka> Lackadaisical: see u in 15
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21:01 <ivantis> google still has it cached
21:01 <ivantis> http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:vN11cRBZALTYQM:http://www.davefancella.com/ilovepeopleeating.png
21:03 <ivantis> OMG!
21:03 <ivantis> i found the best site evah!
21:03 <ivantis> http://ava.us
21:04 <ivantis> what a jip!
21:04 <ivantis> http://www.co.cc/
21:05 <ivantis> $45 a year for a cruddy .co.cc domain?
21:05 <ivantis> thats more than i pay for a .net!
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21:44 <teabot> vectroncommits: [beta2] r25 implemented Polyline renderer...
21:51 <Corn> .tea
21:51 <tronner> Corn: Fortress Café - CT's clone: Players (11/32): 40 Watt Lamp, =>FcT<=epsy (epsy@xclan.armagetron.co.uk/member), Baby <3 Jenny, CT-Dazer, Jênny_Chan (jenny@ct), Minefield, Peter Fox 1.1, R3P . Corn (Corn1@forums), SteeleR, [nc] jc.bot, ¦×¦ Liza (Liza@xclan.armagetron.co.uk/member)
21:52 -!- emmy_arma [n=peiaeman@pc232133.static.is.airbites.ro] has joined #armagetron
21:53 <pavelo> hey guys, what's the deal with "," as the decimal separator in aa maps? is that legal?
21:56 <Lackadaisical> k-yo score settings are wrong..
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22:04 <K-Yo> Lackadaisical: arf
22:04 <K-Yo> Lackadaisical: these are Durka's for sure
22:04 <K-Yo> Lackadaisical: coming
22:08 <K-Yo> emmy_arma: wtf are you?
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23:17 <epsy> good night
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23:21 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8569 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (5 files in 3 dirs): epsy: allow an authority to claim one to be from another authority, as long as the two authorities share the same base domain
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23:24 <luke-jr> wtf?
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23:26 <Durka> gm's Flex, Lackadaisical, sithy, Monkey_arma, luke-jr
23:26 <Lackadaisical> gms
23:26 <Flex> gz
23:26 <Flex> we should of won that!
23:26 <Durka> we completely tanked it the first 2 matches
23:26 <Durka> idk what was going on
23:26 <Monkey_arma> ye gms
23:26 <Flex> we started messing around on the 3rd match
23:26 <Monkey_arma> you need to get your players to come i guess
23:27 <Durka> we tried to torpedo
23:27 <Durka> goody n sage bailed
23:27 <Monkey_arma> the issue with our team and yours is we both dont have many players
23:27 <Lackadaisical> without hole points :O
23:27 <Durka> well
23:27 <Durka> haha
23:27 <Durka> well the other issue is that yes our players didnt come
23:27 <Durka> so in turn
23:27 <Durka> we had to shuffle around our players to other positions
23:28 <luke-jr> …
23:28 <Durka> haha luke-jr
23:28 <Durka> but yea Monkey_arma that was fun the center battles
23:28 <luke-jr> It wasn't me…
23:28 <Durka> mustve been an imposter
23:28 <Monkey_arma> centre is hard work
23:28 <Durka> yea
23:28 <Durka> u were too predictable
23:28 <Durka> u blocked the same side first every time
23:29 <Monkey_arma> but our team needed to split early
23:29 <Durka> it was funny tho
23:29 <Monkey_arma> we arent an expert team, we need to keep it simple
23:29 <Durka> i had a few 4.8 4.9 and 4.7 grinds lol
23:29 <luke-jr> why is svn blame so slow?
23:29 <Durka> oO
23:29 <Durka> btw Lackadaisical
23:29 <Durka> the WW server doesnt have score_hole
23:30 <Durka> did anyone take screenshots?
23:30 <Lackadaisical> i didnt
23:30 <Flex> i did
23:30 <Durka> wanna send me them?
23:30 <Flex> sure
23:30 <Lackadaisical> are you goint to put them somewheree?
23:30 <Flex> you want them?
23:30 <Durka> well
23:30 <Lackadaisical> id like to see them as well
23:30 <Durka> i might put them up on our public page
23:30 <Durka> but im thinking of putting them on our private page
23:31 <Durka> or at least link to them
23:31 <Durka> i just setup like a private wiki for us so we'll see how that goes
23:31 <luke-jr> Durka: come to #anime and play !loli
23:32 <Durka> oO
23:34 <Durka> receiving
23:34 <luke-jr> sending
23:34 <Durka> no ur not
23:34 <Flex> hi luke-jr
23:34 <luke-jr> Flex: u wanna play !loli too?
23:34 <Flex> na
23:34 <Flex> how's it going
23:34 <luke-jr> Flex: Durka just got 17
23:35 <Durka> luke-jr: how many do u has?
23:35 <luke-jr> Durka: 21
23:35 <Durka> nowai
23:35 <Durka> can u lose lolis?
23:35 <Flex> there was no luke-jr there, Durka is bs'ing you
23:35 <luke-jr> my second account has 34
23:35 <luke-jr> Durka: yeah
23:35 <luke-jr> Durka: in battles
23:35 <Durka> 2nd account
23:35 <Durka> rofl
23:35 <luke-jr> ljrbot has 49 lolis
23:35 <ljrbot> luke-jr: Error: "has" is not a valid command.
23:35 <Flex> Lackadaisical
23:35 <Durka> haha
23:35 <luke-jr> ljrbot: liar
23:35 <Flex> http://www.zshare.net/download/195995831d08fa8d/
23:35 <ljrbot> luke-jr: Error: "liar" is not a valid command.
23:35 <Flex> Durka, that might be faster
23:35 <luke-jr> 2nd place is currently held by ljrbot :o
23:36 <Lackadaisical> ty
23:36 <Durka> whos 1st
23:36 <luke-jr> drantin is in 1st, but he cheated with a bug a few days ago
23:36 <Flex> anyway, gg's.. we should of won that.. i hate playing well and losing lol
23:36 <Durka> how much doe he has
23:36 <luke-jr> 56
23:36 <luke-jr> he cheated by attacking me twice in one day ☹
23:37 <Durka> sweet thnx flex
23:37 <luke-jr> nanobot fixed that bug tho
23:38 <luke-jr> freeciv anyone?
23:39 <Durka> no
23:39 <Durka> Lackadaisical: http://tr.1c3d.net/screenshots
23:39 <luke-jr> Durka: nm, I wasn't talking to you, you're not invited
23:39 <Lackadaisical> i think having two matches on ct at the same time is a bad idea
23:39 <Durka> :(
23:39 <Flex> hey we're not called LT!
23:39 <Lackadaisical> the tag actually looks kinda neat in flex' font
23:40 <Flex> we need a better one
23:40 <Flex> n stands for noobs :(
23:40 <Flex> well we are, but still
23:40 <Lackadaisical> no!
23:40 <Flex> it looks worse on your font Lackadaisical? omg!
23:41 <Lackadaisical> i mean it looks like an n in a box, in mine its just an n between two square brackets
23:41 <Lackadaisical> crazy
23:41 <Lackadaisical> or maybe not
23:41 <Durka> hey flex i have a question
23:41 <Flex> god, garisimo was quite annoying
23:41 <Durka> http://tr.1c3d.net/screenshots/TR-vs-LT-09-28-2008/match_1.png
23:41 <Flex> yeah
23:41 <Lackadaisical> well he did have a 250 ping
23:41 <Durka> why are there starts next to 2 ppl
23:41 <Lackadaisical> talking
23:42 <Flex> yeah
23:42 <Flex> or chatbot enabled
23:42 <Flex> you didn't know that?
23:42 <Durka> o
23:42 <Durka> no
23:42 <Durka> i dont use 0.3
23:42 <Flex> well, you suck!
23:42 <Lackadaisical> anyone notice how some people always have a star between rounds but never say anything? i always wonder what they might be doing
23:42 <Flex> Lackadaisical, can i see a screenshot of your game :)
23:43 <Lackadaisical> it's just the standard font
23:43 <Flex> tabbed out or pressing excape or something
23:43 <Flex> i mostly want to see if you're using my interface and how it looks :p
23:44 <Flex> lol
23:44 <Lackadaisical> hah ok ill make one quick
23:44 <Flex> thanks
23:44  * luke-jr ponders releasing Armagetron Advanced
23:44  * Flex has not touched v0.2.8 since he started playing
23:45 <luke-jr> and no developers have touched v0.3 since then either, I bet ;p
23:45 <Flex> :-(
23:45 <Flex> i use z-man's 2005 v0.3
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23:46 <luke-jr> 0.3.0?
23:46 <Flex> yes
23:46 <luke-jr> ancient
23:46 <Flex> aritifact
23:46 <luke-jr> I think it might even have known security holes
23:46 <Flex> :o
23:46 <Flex> what kind
23:46  * luke-jr h4x0rs Flex
23:47 <luke-jr> Flex: I don't remember, it's been a while… 3 years
23:47 <luke-jr> :þ
23:47 <Durka> ok
23:48 <Lackadaisical> http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot21sx7.png
23:48 <teabot> vectroncommits: [beta2] r26 AAWall and AASpawn loaders...
23:48  * luke-jr burps at Durka
23:48 <Lackadaisical> nvm thats an old one
23:48 <Flex> ahh, very old!
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23:49 <Flex> my v2 cockpit :p
23:49 <sithy> nice cockipit
23:49 <Durka> Lackadaisical: i 100% agree with u
23:49 <Flex> actually, i don't even have a v1 cockpit.. i skipped it
23:49 <Durka> u cant have 2 big matches on the same server
23:49 <Durka> look at this
23:49 <Durka> http://tr.1c3d.net/screenshots/TR-vs-LT-09-28-2008/match_3.png
23:49 <Durka> look at the pings
23:49 <Durka> gari's is 3rd worse for a change
23:50 <Flex> does it affect your game?
23:50 <Durka> obviously
23:50 <Lackadaisical> http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot27jq8.png
23:50 <Flex> i'm sorry to hear that..
23:50 <Durka> sarcasm?
23:50 <Flex> you americans must really own, because i can't handle having a 300ping..
23:50 <Durka> o_O
23:50 <Flex> unless i only play on american servers
23:51 <Durka> can we fix this issue for the ladle
23:51 <Durka> since the semis
23:51 <Durka> are on ct 1 and ct 2
23:51 <Flex> Lackadaisical, use font_size in console and reduce the size :p
23:51 <Durka> ...
23:51 <Lackadaisical> yeah i might do that.. but i kinda like the clunkyness
23:51 <Flex> durka, i think they're on different servers
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23:52 <Lackadaisical> ct has two servers?
23:52 <Durka> ill check Flex
23:52 <Flex> yes, plantpeanet or something
23:52 <Flex> and their crazy wild one
23:52 <Flex> nice walls though, Lackadaisical
23:52 <Durka> ok ur right
23:53 <Durka> CT 2 is on seperate server
23:53 <Flex> happy now? :p
23:53 <Durka> however
23:53 <Durka> CT 1 is on same server as
23:53 <Durka> CT open sumo
23:53 <Flex> lol
23:53 <Durka> ct wf lounge
23:53 <hoax> who won? was subz any good? lol..
23:53 <Durka> chicko styball
23:53 <Durka> thats it
23:53 <Lackadaisical> ah thanks for the tip flex, i always felt the text took too much space
23:53 <Durka> subz was alright i think
23:53 <Flex> more than alright
23:53 <Lackadaisical> subz owned my def a couple of times
23:54 <hoax> gd gd :P
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23:54 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r890 allow an authority to claim one to be from another authority...
23:54 <akira_arma> .tea
23:54 <tronner> akira_arma: Fortress Café - CT's clone: Players (0/32):
23:54 <Lackadaisical> but i gtg.. gnight
23:54 <Flex> gn
23:54 <hoax> wow gari actually played
23:54 <hoax> nn
23:54 <Flex> annoying fella
23:55 <hoax> garis safe
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23:55 <Flex> spam king
23:55 <hoax> did ya read the rulez!?
23:55 <hoax> :D
23:55 <Durka> <armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r890 allow an authority to claim one to be from another authority...> huh?
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23:58 <luke-jr> Durka: it's lameness!
23:58 <luke-jr> hopefully configurable lameness
23:58 <luke-jr> but as epsy ran from IRC before committing it, probably not1
23:59 <luke-jr> !
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23:59 <Durka> oO
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