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Log from 2008-09-25:
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00:52 <hoop> should 'bzr co' let me update a local branch?
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00:59 <Monkey_arma> yes
00:59 <Monkey_arma> guru3: time to ban someone:
00:59 <Monkey_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18711&highlight=&sid=36de3f572e91d26357896ec44330ce0e
01:01 <guru3> ?
01:03 <luke-jr> …
01:03 <luke-jr> looks pretty clear to me, guru3
01:04 <guru3> well i can't click the link right now
01:04 <guru3> so i was hoping someone would elaborate
01:04 <luke-jr> guru3: it's spam on the forum
01:07 <Monkey_arma> yes its blatant spam
01:07 <guru3> ok
01:07 <guru3> i'll sort it out shortly
01:08 <Monkey_arma> its advertising some pay sites for phone stuff
01:08 <Monkey_arma> no rush, just informing
01:15 <Monkey_arma> ivantis u there?
01:15 <ivantis> yeah
01:15 <ivantis> what?
01:15 <Monkey_arma> got a present for you
01:15 <ivantis> …
01:15 <ivantis> go on?
01:15 <Monkey_arma> http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/School:Computer_science
01:16 <Monkey_arma> The computer programming section is especially useful to you i would guess
01:16 <Monkey_arma> wikiversity ftw
01:16 <ivantis> whats wikiversity?
01:16 <Monkey_arma> its quite new
01:16 <Monkey_arma> its from the makers of wikipedia
01:17 <Monkey_arma> the whole organisation is called "wikimediafoundation"
01:17 <Monkey_arma> wikipedia and wikiversity are just 2 of its projects
01:18 <Monkey_arma> wikiversity = wiki + university
01:18 <ivantis> yeah
01:20 <ivantis> monkey, do you program?
01:20 <ivantis> like C++?
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01:22 <ivantis> ooh, i love books with exercises in them. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C%2B%2B_Programming/Exercises/Variables_and_types
01:23 <Monkey_arma> i used to program in C++ but not for a long time
01:24 <Monkey_arma> at the moment i only do Bash scripting really but I will be doing much more in the future.
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01:27 <ivantis> you should learn perl
01:27 <ivantis> great language
01:30 <ivantis> Write a program that asks the user to type 5 integers and writes the average of the 5 integers. This program can use only 2 variables.
01:30 <ivantis> is that possible?
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01:32 <Monkey_arma> yes
01:32 <ivantis> now that i think about it
01:32 <ivantis> yes
01:32 <Monkey_arma> *but* the *best* way to program it would use more
01:33 <Monkey_arma> about 3 i think
01:35 <ivantis> done!
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01:36 <ivantis> time for my boyscout troop meeting soon
01:36 <ivantis> g'night
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01:40 <Monkey_arma> gn
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02:56 <akira_arma> O.O
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03:05 <deletreado> hola
03:05 <hoax> me n hoop goin fort who's comin
03:13 <akira_arma> hmm
03:13 <akira_arma> lol
03:13 <akira_arma> late!
03:13 <akira_arma> .tea
03:13 <tronner> akira_arma: Fortress Café - CT's clone: Players (3/32): hoop, Legit, ¦×¦ Hoax (Hoax@forums)
03:13 <akira_arma> :O
03:17 <deletreado> ochenteros
03:20 <ct|kyle> .teas
03:20 <tronner> ct|kyle: Fortress Café - CT's clone (5/32): Team gold (26): Legit (8), ¦×¦ Hoax (2); Team blue (2): hoop (2), -=}ID< ¦Lìght¦ (0), akira (0)
03:20 <teabot> vectroncommits: [beta2] r9 got rid of warnigs... || [beta2] r8 updated README;...
03:24 <Monkey_arma> deletreado hola
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03:26 <ct|kyle> hoop: :(  ./autogen.sh: line 15: gnome-autogen.sh: No such file or directory
04:28 <hoop> ct|kyle: get gnome-common (~98 Kb)
04:29 <ct|kyle> hoop: 63 kb
04:33 <ct|kyle> hoop: quit button has no function?
04:45 <hoop> ct|kyle, menu?
04:47 <hoop> program's being rewritten so nothing really works atm
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04:59 <ct|kyle> hoop: ya i noticed :P
04:59 <ct|kyle> hoop: looks nice though
04:59 <hoop> :)
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12:38 <teabot> vectroncommits: [beta2] r10 started Object class implementation...
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13:45 <hoop> epsy, present?
13:46 <epsy> absent!
13:46 <hoop> I was reading arma blueprints, and found yours about settings
13:46 <epsy> not very finished
13:46 <epsy> it's not sure it even gets in :)
13:46 <hoop> I had an idea about it, time ago
13:47 <hoop> when I was working on zones mod
13:47 <hoop> I had to deal with sanity checks
13:48 <hoop> and tried change settings class to let me assign a min/max value
13:48 <hoop> so it will be chacked everytime it's changed
13:48 <hoop> che*
13:48 <hoop> and only
13:48 <epsy> it will be chicked?
13:48 <hoop> :P
13:49 <epsy> the menu entries have that
13:49 <hoop> woudl that help?
13:49 <epsy> no
13:49 <epsy> well
13:49 <epsy> what is "that"?
13:50 <hoop> the max/min member
13:50 <hoop> well, I wanted to share tihs idea, not sure it's useful though
13:50 <epsy> can be useful
13:50 <hoop> not that special idea too
13:50 <hoop> you know that mod I was working about?
13:51 <epsy> but it wont be a main feature of the new setting structure i proposed, but i will think about it
13:51 <epsy> no?
13:51 <epsy> your crazy-race mod?
13:51 <hoop> no, the zones rendering
13:51 <epsy> oh yeah, that
13:52 <epsy> you got a "mode" setting and you don't want people to enter random numbers, right?
13:52 <hoop> yes, I'd had to check for values not to be bad in zone::render function, but it didn't look nice
13:53 <epsy> yeah, i'll think of "enum" settings too :)
13:53 <hoop> oO
13:55 <hoop> btw settings restructuration as you proposed it is a nice thing, wd
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13:55 <epsy> wowow i detailled about nothing of it
13:56 <hoop> I had another idea looking at kyo's blueprint
13:56 <hoop> I'd like to work on it but I can't atm
13:57 <epsy> what's your idea?
13:57 <hoop> It'd be cool an automated matches engine
13:57 <epsy> yes, that's one of the concepts in mind
13:57 <hoop> something like vip, but not closed and related to forums accounts
13:58 <hoop> I know, it's banal idea, I was wondering how it would be realizable
13:58 <epsy> but K-Yo and me agreed on not detailling the behaviour of MCSs, to let people make something as simple as a server that gets it's matches from mysql tables which are manually managed to a full-fledged match/tournament organizing website
13:59 <hoop> ya, that's cool
14:01 <hoop> I was also wondering, has 0.3 being rewritten from beginning?
14:03 <epsy> no it has not
14:03 <epsy> it heavily differs from 0.2.8 but it's still from the same sources
14:04 <hoop> I don't get why either 0.2.8 and 0.3 are being revisioned
14:05 <hoop> is 2.8 like a place where to test things that will be put on .3
14:05 <epsy> you mean why are they in diff. branches?
14:05 <epsy> it should be the opposite
14:05 <epsy> lol
14:05 <hoop> XD
14:05 <epsy> but currently, it's going this way
14:05 <hoop> why should be opposite
14:06 <hoop> isn't 0.3 the future?
14:06 <epsy> trunk is meant to be unstable and 0.2.8 stable
14:06 <epsy> heck, 0.2.8 has a critical bug open
14:06 <hoop> orly
14:07 <hoop> wouldn't be more efficient to focus on only one trunk?
14:07 <epsy> yes
14:08 <hoop> what's that critical bug?
14:09 <epsy> bug 272398
14:09 <teabot> Launchpad bug 272398 in armagetronad "pthreads not working/not used" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272398
14:10 <hoop> is pthread meant to substitute zthread?
14:10 <epsy> zthread is meant to substitue pthreads
14:11 <epsy> but zthread is 1/ an exotical library and 2/ does not compile without -fpermissive
14:11 <epsy> ideally, trunk will be using boost
14:19 <epsy> z-man, bug 253978 is waiting for your opinion by the way
14:19 <teabot> Launchpad bug 253978 in armagetronad ""Max port" and "Min port" not saved on exiting client." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253978
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19:50 <teabot> vectroncommits: [beta2] r11 - added examples and resources/dtd folders...
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20:27  * K-Yo didn't know about #luke-jrisanasshat before 5 minutes ago!
20:28 <mkzelda> i didnt know it was back/still around
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21:32 <hoop> epsy, is it possible to have teabot in #vectron ?
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21:49 <akira_arma> .tea
21:49 <tronner> akira_arma: Fortress Café - CT's clone: Players (10/32): <V>BâTTLê, AshitakA, CTxTadd, cT¬safarisKater, Saxon, van Nelle, _-`Ww_Negative, ~|DS|~zion,   GoInVeR, ¦×¦ Hoax (Hoax@forums)
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21:55 <teabot> vectroncommits: [beta2] r12 fixed a small error -- copy-pasting someties sucks...
21:58 <epsy> @join #vectron
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22:24 <K-Yo> .cfg2 suspend
22:24 <tronner> K-Yo: ACCESS_LEVEL_VOTE_SUSPEND: Minimal access level required to issue suspend votes. || SUSPEND: Suspend a player from playing for the following N rounds (default: 5) || UNSUSPEND: Removes a player suspension. || VOTING_BIAS_SUSPEND: Add virtual voters that oppose every suspend vote. || VOTING_SUSPEND: Suspends voting for n minutes. || VOTING_SUSPEND_DEFAULT: Default value for VOTING_SUSPEND. || (1 more message)
22:25 <K-Yo> .more
22:25 <tronner> K-Yo: VOTING_SUSPEND_ROUNDS: The number of rounds "/vote suspend " suspends a player for. || VOTING_UNSUSPEND: Allows voting again.
22:29 <K-Yo> .cfg2 access_level
22:29 <tronner> K-Yo: ACCESS_LEVEL: Changes the access level of a configuration item to make it available to lower ranked users || ACCESS_LEVEL_ADMIN: Minimal access level for /admin command. || ACCESS_LEVEL_CHAT: Minimal access level for chatting. || ACCESS_LEVEL_CHAT_TIMEOUT: Time in seconds between public announcements that someone wants to chat, but can't. Set to 0 to disable the public warnings. || (5 more messages)
22:33 <epsy> K-Yo, looking for..?
22:34 <K-Yo> epsy: I though access level wasn't working, but I already entered it :P
22:35 <hoop> it seems I didn't guess
22:35 <K-Yo> epsy: what is VOTING_SUSPEND_DEFAULT ?
22:35 <K-Yo> oh forget it I get i
22:35 <K-Yo> tt
22:35 <hoop> it's confusing though
22:35 <epsy> it's when you don't enter a number of rounds yourself
22:35 <hoop> it's not
22:36 <epsy> er
22:36 <epsy> voting_ >.>
22:36 <K-Yo> nope, number of minutes
22:36 <epsy> minutes?!
22:37 <K-Yo> VOTING_SUSPEND does NOT exist in the version I have :/
22:37 <hoop> epsy, the one you mean is voting_suspend_rounds
22:37 <hoop> btw, is it that kyo?
22:37 <epsy> K-Yo, upgrade
22:39 <Monkey_arma> VOTES_CANCEL
22:39 <epsy> VOTING_SUSPEND_DEFAULT is for VOTES_SUSPEND
22:39 <Monkey_arma> VOTES_SUSPEND
22:39 <Monkey_arma> kuyo
22:39 <epsy> mainly because i forgot to change that
22:40 <hoop> VOTING_SUSPEND_ROUNDS: The number of rounds "/vote suspend " suspends a player for.
22:40 <hoop> does that work for '/admin suspend <player>' too?
22:40 <epsy> i changed the _help text naming but not the setting
22:40 <epsy> bii
22:40 <epsy> boo*
22:40 <hoop> oh
22:42 <hoop> erm so, how do you set the /admin suspend default rounds?
22:42 <epsy> i think you can't, I will check
22:43 <epsy> hardcoded >.>
22:43 <hoop> bii
22:43 <epsy> fu ^^
22:43 <hoop> 5 is too long :P
22:45 <hoop> o wait
22:46 <hoop> I didn't mean that, the default for /admin suspend is not important
22:46 <hoop> does VOTING_SUSPEND_ROUNDS do what the help says?
22:46 <epsy> tell me
22:47 <epsy> yes
22:48 <hoop> the name is confusing with VOTING_SUSPEND though
22:49 <epsy> VOTING_SUSPEND was moved
22:49 <epsy> to VOTES_SUSPEND
22:49 <hoop> ok, missed that ^^
22:49 <epsy> it's just that i forgot about VOTING_SUSPEND_DEFAULT
22:55 <epsy> $ ./armagetronad --doc |grep -i suspend
22:55 <epsy> SUSPEND                      Suspend a player from playing for the following N rounds (default is set by SUSPEND_DEFAULT_ROUNDS)
22:55 <epsy> SUSPEND_DEFAULT_ROUNDS       Sets default round timeout for SUSPEND.
22:55 <epsy> UNSUSPEND                    Removes a player suspension.
22:55 <epsy> VOTES_SUSPEND                Suspends voting for n minutes.
22:55 <epsy> VOTES_SUSPEND_DEFAULT        Default value for VOTES_SUSPEND.
22:55 <epsy> VOTES_UNSUSPEND              Allows voting again.
22:55 <epsy> VOTING_BIAS_SUSPEND          Add virtual voters that oppose every suspend vote.
22:55 <epsy> VOTING_SUSPEND_ROUNDS        The number of rounds "/vote suspend <player>" suspends a player for.
22:55 <epsy> good now? :)
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22:59 <madmax> woo didn't know that --doc one
22:59 <madmax> 927 settings >_<
23:00 <epsy> @aawikis console commands
23:00 <teabot> epsy: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Console_Commands - Console Commands - Armagetron Advanced Wiki
23:01 <epsy> the first thing said there is that it was generated from armagetronad --doc
23:01 <epsy> :P
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23:06 <K-Yo> epsy: upgrade?
23:09 <akira_arma> which version is the latest?
23:09 <akira_arma> i have some probs with the development version
23:09 <akira_arma> crashes + sound
23:10 <K-Yo> epsy: saw that
23:10 <epsy> K-Yo, <epsy> good now? :)
23:10 <K-Yo> what's good?
23:10 <K-Yo> arf
23:10 <K-Yo> I forgot what I needde now
23:11 <K-Yo> but it seems quite clear to me :D
23:11 <epsy> can i commit?
23:11 <K-Yo> is cfg2 dynamically updated?
23:11 <K-Yo> epsy: what is votes_suspend for?
23:12 <K-Yo> what is it worth?
23:12 <hoop> K-Yo, didnt u use that last night?
23:12 <epsy> K-Yo, poll wars?
23:13 <K-Yo> epsy: right
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23:13 <K-Yo> hoop: nope, I used votes_cancel I think
23:14 -!- _Ratchet is now known as Ratchet--
23:14 <Ratchet--> hello
23:15 <K-Yo> hi Ratchet--
23:15 <epsy> er, i forgot to mention the thing hoop suggested
23:18 <hoop> K-Yo, right, I confused
23:18 <hoop> epsy, what thing?
23:19 <hoop> hi Ratchet--
23:19 <epsy> non-hardcoded default val for that other thing
23:19 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50872248.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
23:20 <epsy> aka the SUSPEND command
23:21 <hoop> k
23:21 <epsy> <epsy> z-man, bug 253978 is waiting for your opinion by the way
23:21 <teabot> Launchpad bug 253978 in armagetronad ""Max port" and "Min port" not saved on exiting client." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253978
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23:21 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8568 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (4 files in 3 dirs): epsy: fix some confusion with VOTES_SUSPEND and VOTING_SUSPEND
23:22 <Ratchet--> Z-man
23:22 <Ratchet--> are you here z-man
23:22 <epsy> again, bazaarmagetron is faster than the rss feeds ;)
23:22 <hoop> what's bazaarmagetron?
23:23 <epsy> it's z-man hurrying up as fast as possible to merge changes from bzr to svn
23:23 <z-man> what, what, what?
23:23 <epsy> he pretexts it's a bot, thus the name
23:24 <z-man> It is a bot.
23:24 <epsy> :)
23:24 <hoop> lol
23:24 <z-man> The max/min port thing is by design, but that design may be broken :)
23:25 <z-man> Feel free to add config items for it, but make sure you can't reduce the range to something non-functional.
23:25 <epsy> shouldn't it be at least a tSettingItem ?
23:26 <epsy> hmm, hoop's idea becomes useful now
23:26 <ct|kyle> should (-2x+3) (-3-4x) always be written as (2x-3) (4x+3)
23:27 <ct|kyle> good math question for z-man :)
23:28 <z-man> kyle: well, the second one is more readable, but there's no rule enforcing it.
23:28 <z-man> and in fact, if the individual expressions as seen on the left have a meaning, you should leave it like that.
23:28 <ct|kyle> z-man: ya that is what i thought then my math teacher docked me a point
23:28 <z-man> epsy: a tSettingItem can't hurt.
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23:29 <epsy> z-man, we can still go trough dead ways
23:29 <z-man> dead ways?
23:29 <epsy> a sanity check in the menu might come handy..but...
23:30 <epsy> z-man, min port 5000, max port 4000 ?
23:30 <epsy> or does the eMenuSomething do sanity checks itself?
23:34 <hoop> damn I've lost that patch
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23:36 <ct|kyle> thanks z-man for the confirmation that my math teacher is stupid :)
23:36 <z-man> epsy: nope, eMenu does not do any smart checks.
23:36 <hoop> ct|kyle, not all math techers are
23:37 <z-man> It can do range checks, but not check "menu value 1" > "menu value 2".
23:37 <epsy> i mean eMenuItemInt, or something alone these lines
23:37 <epsy> kk
23:37 <hoop> wops, I meant *all* math teachers are
23:41 <ct|kyle> i know
23:45 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r889 fix some confusion with VOTES_SUSPEND and VOTING_SUSPEND...
23:48 <akira_arma> hmm
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23:48 <akira_arma> can anyone help me with the custom camera settings in 0.2.8.3?
23:48 <akira_arma> 0.3*
23:48 <akira_arma> :)
23:48 -!- PinkTomato [n=sam@hn-33-24.brookes.ac.uk] has joined #armagetron
23:49 <akira_arma> i think i just annoyed the whole fortress server with that
23:49 <Monkey_arma> that explains it
23:49 <Monkey_arma> akira LOL
23:49 <akira_arma> :D
23:49 <akira_arma> you are easy to piss off monkey
23:49 <akira_arma> ;)
23:49 <Monkey_arma> u2
23:49 <akira_arma> yea i admit that
23:49 <akira_arma> hotblooded
23:49 <akira_arma> anyways
23:50 <akira_arma> how do i make it work more like the old one?
23:51 <Monkey_arma> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Custom_Camera
23:52 <madmax> akira_arma: these are my conclusions on 0.3's camera: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18521
23:52 <akira_arma> thanks
23:52 <hoop> PinkTomato, heya :)
23:53 <PinkTomato> hey hoop :)
23:53 <Monkey_arma> also, if you type CAMERA_CUSTOM in the console it will list all commands
23:53 <Monkey_arma> (more than the wiki)
23:53 <Monkey_arma> FAR more
23:53 <Monkey_arma> oh and CAMERA_GLANCE
23:55 <madmax> #seen meriton
23:55 <armabot> madmax: meriton was last seen in #armagetron 1 year, 49 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, 48 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <meriton> hi
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