Log from 2008-09-18:
--- Day changed Thu Sep 18 2008
00:08 <Monkey_arma> bhangra + jungle = noo
00:14 -!- MaZuffeR [n=mazuffer@darkmoor.sby.abo.fi] has quit ["Ex-Chat"]
00:20 <madmax> who the hell listens to bhangra?
00:26 <hoop> orly?
00:27 <Monkey_arma> *not* me
00:28 <hoax> got no asian mates?
00:29 <Monkey_arma> u like bhangra?
00:29 <Monkey_arma> indian food ftw
00:29 <Monkey_arma> indian music ftl
00:30 <Monkey_arma> btw hoax.....all your base are belong to us
00:30 <hoax> didnt say i listened to bhangra
00:30 <hoax> Monkey_arma all your bass is belong to moi
00:31 <Monkey_arma> its a tron joke nvm
00:32 <hoax> tron joke, teh whole internets joke
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00:37 <Acromatic> it's not even related to tron
00:37 <Acromatic> at all
00:37 <Acromatic> it's from commander keen
00:38 <Acromatic> 3 I think
00:38 <Acromatic> idk never played it myself
00:38 <epsy> firefox just saved me from wasting another hour reading stupid stories
00:38 <epsy> ..by crashing
00:38 <Acromatic> lol
00:38 <epsy> nighty
00:38 <Acromatic> firefox is awsome for that
00:38 <Acromatic> peace dude
00:38 <epsy> just realized it
00:38 <Monkey_arma> i was saying it in the context of tron and fort bases
00:39 <Monkey_arma> wake up
00:39 <Acromatic> I only read one line.. was playing the game
00:39 <epsy> and actually i'm not using anything branded "firefox" anymore
00:39 <Acromatic> lol
00:39 <Acromatic> I never went faux
00:39 <Acromatic> piece of shit
00:39 <epsy> mozilla says "firefox" is more stable than anything else not branded firefox
00:39 <Acromatic> lol and they lie
00:39 <Monkey_arma> firefox concerns me
00:39 <epsy> trough it just screws up everytime in a strange manner now
00:39 <Monkey_arma> its crashing
00:40 <Monkey_arma> a lot
00:40 <madmax> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us
00:40 <Acromatic> there isn't even a way to be sure of that
00:40 <epsy> swiftfox builds ftw
00:40 <madmax> from Zero Wing
00:40 <Acromatic> unless everything else is a total piece of unstable garbage
00:40 <Acromatic> zero wing.. whatever
00:40 <Acromatic> never played the imported trash
00:40 <epsy> zero wing..
00:40 <epsy> zerowing.idsoftware.com ?
00:40 <Acromatic> never owned a dos machine
00:41 <Acromatic> just because it's id software doesn't mean it's american made
00:41 <Acromatic> thats the whole point
00:41 <hoax> madmax u still on a dnb flex
00:41 <Acromatic> it was a shitty translation
00:41 <epsy> idk, zerowing.idsoftware.com is just a portal to id's linux/opensource works
00:41 <Acromatic> oh
00:42 <Acromatic> then why did you mention it?
00:42 <epsy> (including gtkradiant)
00:42 <epsy> that's the first and only thing zero wing made me think of
00:42 <Acromatic> oh
00:42 <madmax> hoax: been listening to Back of Beyond, Nu Tone
00:42 <Acromatic> well thanks for spewing your raw thoughts
00:42 <Acromatic> lol
00:43 <madmax> hoax: very randomly though :P
00:43 -!- _Ratchet [n=Joshua@99-195-28-213.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #armagetron
00:43 <_Ratchet> Er
00:43 <_Ratchet> Fixed it!
00:43  * epsy pumps a bit to get his thoughts on a higher level
00:43 <epsy> Good night!
00:43 <epsy> ah..
00:43 <hoax> ah, good man, say hello wave goodbye ftw :D
00:43 <_Ratchet> now all i have is a few internet setup things, and I got a linux :)
00:43 <epsy> alright
00:43 <hoax> nn pepsi
00:43 <Acromatic> uh... yeah lol thats not gonna work
00:44 <Acromatic> epsy thats the problem I'd assume
00:44 <hoax> can i haz a linux _Ratchet?
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00:44 <Monkey_arma> hoax, 君達の基地は がいただいた
00:44 <_Ratchet> idk can you hoax?
00:44 <madmax> hoax: system is pretty nice too
00:45 <_Ratchet> my dads good with computers and stuff so he fixed my computer
00:45 <hoax> Monkey_arma: ??
00:46 <_Ratchet> monkey
00:46 <_Ratchet> your message was
00:46 <_Ratchet> 君達の基地は がいただいた
00:46 <hoax> aye max
00:47 <ivantis> 君達の基地は がいただいた?
00:47 <ivantis> what that mean?
00:47 <_Ratchet> i duno
00:48 <hoax> max - http://0daymusiq.blogspot.com/2008/07/logistics-realitycheckpoint-nhs134cd.html
00:48 <ivantis> ?
00:48 <hoax> moar liquid
00:48 -!- _Ratchet [n=Joshua@99-195-28-213.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit ["Leaving"]
00:48 <Monkey_arma> hoax it translates to "arr ovva yorra base arr a berrongar to a us a"
00:49 <Acromatic> are u still going on about that?
00:49 <hoax> ahh wealy, i don speaka ina engrish sowwy
00:50 <Acromatic> teabot.. tea.. now damn it
00:50  * Acromatic slams teabot into a wall
00:52 <Monkey_arma> cup-of-tea-please
00:52 <Monkey_arma> .cup-of-tea-please
00:52 <Monkey_arma> ]cup-of-tea-please
00:53 <hoax> .stone P4
00:53  * tronner gives 2 long and slim joints for P4 and z-man-work
00:53 <hoax> .pwn Acromatic
00:53  * tronner slaps Acromatic around to the ground and kills him
00:53 <hoax> #kill Acromatic
00:53 <armabot> Acromatic will die on Thu Sep 18 00:53:33 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by hoax
00:53  * hoax agrees 100%
00:57 <hoop> btw firefox never crashed here :P
00:57 <Acromatic> appearently one should never fuck with a teabot
00:58 <hoax> you know this now
00:59 <Acromatic> #kill The messenger
00:59 <armabot> The messenger will die on Thu Sep 18 00:59:07 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by Acromatic
00:59 -!- arrow [n=user@adsl-dyn73.78-99-49.t-com.sk] has joined #armagetron
00:59 <Acromatic> it should ignore hours
01:00 <Acromatic> considering the Internet doesn't use them
01:00 <hoax> arrow
01:00 <ivantis> doesnt http://www.bugsby.net/TronRevolution/index.html look cool?
01:00 <ivantis> but it only runs on windows i think
01:01 <ivantis> written in C# i think
01:01 <arrow> evening hoax
01:01 <arrow> ^^
01:01 <arrow> just returned from city with wosty
01:01 <hoax> wosty in fort today :o
01:01 <hoax> :D
01:01 <arrow> no way
01:01 <arrow> he is in bratislava
01:01 <Acromatic> ogrenizer?
01:01 <arrow> waas some faker
01:01 <Acromatic> is that english?
01:01 <Acromatic> supposed to be*
01:02 <Acromatic> ivantis... is that a typo?
01:02 <ivantis> is what a typo?
01:02 <Acromatic> ogrenizor
01:03 <Acromatic> on that page
01:04 <ivantis> oh
01:04 <ivantis> idk
01:04 <Acromatic> but yeah
01:04 <Acromatic> it does look cool
01:05 <Acromatic> I showed a friend this game
01:05 <Acromatic> and he said it'd be cool if it had ramps
01:05 <Acromatic> well there ya go
01:07 <hoop> is there a C function like sqr(x) ?
01:07 <hoop> = x * x
01:07 <ivantis> what would be the point of that?
01:08 <hoop> ivantis: shorten the code
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01:08 <Acromatic> make one
01:08 <hoop> sqr( verylongnameforavariable + anotherverylongname )
01:08 <Acromatic> as a define
01:08 <Acromatic> as a macro it's the same
01:09 <ivantis> that would be simple
01:09 <hoop> just wondering if there's one already
01:09 <Acromatic> it would be correct
01:09 <Acromatic> yeah there probably is something like that
01:09 <ivantis> void sqr( int number ) { return number * number; }
01:09 <Acromatic> idk it though
01:09 <ivantis> wouldnt that be correct?
01:09 <hoop> <just wondering if there's one already>
01:10 <ivantis> void sqr( int number ) { return number * number; } would be correct?
01:10 <hoop> not a void man
01:10 <ivantis> …
01:10 <ivantis> what should it be?
01:10 <Acromatic> yes invan
01:10 <Acromatic> ivantis*
01:10 <hoop> it won't compile
01:10 <Acromatic> as a void?
01:11 <Acromatic> why not?
01:11 <ivantis> should it be an int instead of a void?
01:11 <Acromatic> it can be void
01:12 <Acromatic> yes it should be int because thats what it returns
01:12 <hoop> maybe in C, idk. I'm using C++
01:12 <Acromatic> I'm using c++ also
01:12 <hoop> ivantis, if you want to return an int, the return type should be an int of course
01:12 <Acromatic> and it would compile as a void
01:13 <Acromatic> it'd just be extra overhead
01:13 <Acromatic> for no reason
01:13 <hoop> maparea.cpp:420: error: return-statement with a value, in function returning 'void'
01:14 <Acromatic> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cmath/sqrt.html
01:14 <ivantis> #include <iostream>
01:14 <ivantis> using namespace std;
01:14 <ivantis> void sqr( int number )
01:14 <ivantis> {
01:14 <ivantis> return number * number;
01:14 <ivantis> }
01:14 <ivantis> int main()
01:14 <ivantis> {
01:14 <ivantis> cout << sqr(2) << " is the number\n";
01:14 <ivantis> }
01:14 <Acromatic> pay attention
01:14 <hoop> no sense if it would compile
01:14 <ivantis> that returns a bunch of errors
01:14 <Acromatic> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cmath/sqrt.html
01:14 <ivantis> on compilation
01:14 <hoop> sqrt is square root
01:14 <Acromatic> no shit
01:14 <Acromatic> isn't that what you want?
01:14  * ivantis goes to eat dinner
01:15 <Acromatic> or the reverse?
01:15 <hoop> scroll up
01:16 <Monkey_arma> #include <iostream>
01:16 <Monkey_arma> wrong
01:16 <Monkey_arma> #include <iostream.h>
01:16 <Monkey_arma> correct
01:16 <hoop> no monkey
01:16 <Monkey_arma> no?
01:16 <Monkey_arma> has c++ changed?
01:16 <Monkey_arma> i must be rusty
01:17 <Monkey_arma> wooo
01:18 <Monkey_arma> its not void
01:18 <Monkey_arma> its int
01:18 <Monkey_arma> int sqr( int number )
01:18 <Monkey_arma> and also better programming to do this:
01:19 <Monkey_arma> int squareroot = number * number;
01:19 <hoop> lol
01:19 <Monkey_arma> return squareroot ;)
01:19 <Monkey_arma> heh
01:19 <hoop> squareroot is something else
01:19 <Monkey_arma> oO
01:19 <Monkey_arma> well choose a name then
01:19 <hoop> just square ;)
01:20 <Monkey_arma> jaja
01:20 <Monkey_arma> squarert ;)
01:20 <Monkey_arma> square_root ;)
01:20 <luke-jr> hey dorks
01:20 <Monkey_arma> hey fool
01:21 <hoop> Monkey_arma, square root is another math, x * x is juat square
01:21 <hoop> just*
01:21 <Monkey_arma> oh man i must be tired
01:21 <Monkey_arma> lmao
01:21 <Monkey_arma> fuck me
01:21 <luke-jr> hoop: it's not that simple
01:21 <hoop> no thx XP
01:21 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: get a wife
01:21 <Monkey_arma> of course its square not root
01:22 <Monkey_arma> maths is one of my strengths, you wouldn't so would u
01:22 <Ttech> What do you think of the LHC?
01:23 <luke-jr> who wants leaked materials?
01:23 <Monkey_arma> what is this lhc everyone keeps talking about?
01:23 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: black hole generator
01:23 <hoop> lsd?
01:23 <Ttech> Lage Hadron Collider
01:23 <ct|kyle> Ttech: i wanna go in the black hole
01:23 <Monkey_arma> what is a black hole generator?
01:24 <Ttech> lol why? be dead?
01:24 <Ttech> Monkey_arma, read up... its not supposed to generate black holes, however it very well may
01:24 <ct|kyle> no we won't die
01:24 <Ttech> ct|kyle, How do you know?
01:24 <Monkey_arma> ttech why dont you ever play the game?
01:24 <ct|kyle> Ttech: how don't you know
01:24 <Ttech> ct|kyle, I don't want to find out
01:24 <Ttech> lol
01:24 <Ttech> Monkey_arma, I do?
01:25 <hoop> actually I have a lil black hole in my stomach
01:25 <Monkey_arma> you don't?
01:25 <Ttech> Monkey_arma, I do
01:25 <Monkey_arma> under what nick?
01:25 <Ttech> The Doctor, not for a month or so
01:25 <Monkey_arma> i have a brown hole, will that do?
01:25 <Monkey_arma> oh you are the doctor
01:25 <Ttech> Usually
01:25 <Monkey_arma> why not play as ttech?
01:25 <hoax> .ls doctor
01:25 <Ttech> Because
01:25 <tronner> hoax: The Doctor has last been seen on Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress. 2 hours 32 minutes ago.
01:25 <Ttech> Thats not me
01:25 <Ttech> >:
01:26  * Ttech cries
01:26 <hoax> ya
01:26 <Monkey_arma> hrm wtf?
01:26 <Ttech> someone took my nick
01:26 <hoax> theres one with weird lettering too..
01:26 <hoax> & hes german or smth
01:26 <Ttech> mmmmm
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01:39 <Monkey_arma> btw hoop i was right
01:39 <Monkey_arma> its include with .h
01:40 <hoop> no
01:40 <hoop> get a newer compiler
01:40 <hoop> /usr/include/c++/4.2/backward/backward_warning.h:32:2: warning: #warning This file includes at least one deprecated or antiquated header. Please consider using one of the 32 headers found in section 17.4.1.2 of the C++ standard. Examples include substituting the <X> header for the <X.h> header for C++ includes, or <iostream> instead of the deprecated header <iostream.h>. To disable this warning use -Wno-deprecated.
01:41 <Monkey_arma> oO
01:41 <Monkey_arma> so it has changed
01:41 <Monkey_arma> omg
01:43 <hoop> yea, like a billion hours ago
01:43 <hoop> + or -
01:51 <hoop> luke-jr, ever got this error with bzr push?
01:51 <hoop> Permission denied (publickey).
01:51 <hoop> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
01:52 <luke-jr> hoop: I have never used bzr push
01:55 <hoop> d'oh!
01:58 <Acromatic> lhc isn't a black hole generator
01:58 <Acromatic> at least thats not whats it's intention is nessesarily
01:58 <Acromatic> it's a particle accelerator... the by product is a miniture black hole
01:59 <Acromatic> what you do is smash particles and detect what flies out of it
01:59 <Acromatic> it's used to discover atomic and sub-atomic particles
02:00 <hoax> its not necessarily going to produce a black hole
02:00 <Acromatic> heres the skinny
02:00 <hoax> if it does though they say it will be so small hawkins radiation will swallow it up...
02:01 <hoax> or smth like that :)
02:02 <Acromatic> it can produce miniature black holes in it's process.. which are known to dissipate immediately.. some science fiction writers and theories suggested that it might be possible for one of these to sink into the earth and expand into a larger constant black hole that would erode the earth from the inside out
02:02 <hoop> :oooo
02:03 <hoax> meh,the media love a good story
02:03 <Acromatic> exactly
02:03 <Acromatic> well it was a theory
02:03 <hoop> can i has a black asshole
02:03 <Acromatic> ...
02:03 <hoax> i get pissed with this whole credit crunch shiz
02:04 <hoax> if they just stfu, people would act normal & continue thier normal spending habbits, thus not making things worse
02:04 <Acromatic> I'm too broke to pay attention to that
02:04 <hoax> heh join the club :P
02:05 <hoop> watch disney's the black hole grat movie
02:05 <arrow> i thikn its only way how we can get some major discoveries
02:05 <arrow> u all the time need to risk
02:05 <arrow> to tak advantage
02:05 <arrow> take
02:07 <Acromatic> risk is a small part
02:07 <Acromatic> but risking the entire world isn't worth discovery
02:08 <arrow> nah it is
02:08 <arrow> :D
02:08 <arrow> anyway
02:08 <Acromatic> if there is nobody around to discover then no it isn't
02:08 <arrow> they are so aware of this prob
02:08 <arrow> they will try to avoid it at all costs
02:08 <hoax> calculated risks ftw!
02:08 <Acromatic> as far as lhc there was never any risk
02:09 <Acromatic> science doesn't work that way
02:09 <Acromatic> thats bad science
02:09 <arrow> and dont forget
02:09 <arrow> on fermi lab
02:09 <arrow> which is just smaller version of lhc
02:09 <arrow> working for years
02:09 <arrow> with some major discoveries
02:10 <arrow> so its not so new field
02:10 <arrow> its just in bigger size
02:10 <Acromatic> otherwise john hutchison would have gotten a billion dollar grant by now
02:11 <arrow> i dont think so
02:11 <arrow> i think its definitly good way
02:11 <Acromatic> you don't seem to think much at all
02:11 <arrow> it can brings us a lot
02:11 <Acromatic> does it?
02:12 <arrow> i think yes
02:12 <Acromatic> name one invention resulting from atomic colliders
02:12 <arrow> definitly they will not do any experiment which will have at least few % of risk they will destroy world hehe
02:12 <arrow> wait
02:13 <Acromatic> the only risk in good science is that of the complete unknown
02:13 <arrow> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermilab
02:14 <arrow> this is smaller version of that big collider
02:15 <arrow> and nothing happend there
02:15 <arrow> why u think that
02:15 <arrow> that countries who putted cash to lhc
02:15 <arrow> thats almost whole world
02:15 <arrow> would like to risk to wipe out whole earth ?
02:15 <arrow> its just medialized phantom
02:17 <arrow> that collider was so expensive that us stopped works on their own
02:18 <arrow> so i dont think they want to fuck it whole
02:18 <arrow> also when they are building that thermal nuclear reactor
02:18 <arrow> which can destroy earth also it will be thermal nuclear reaction of sun
02:19 <Acromatic> lol
02:19 <Acromatic> you really think they would risk destroying earth?
02:19 <arrow> defintly not
02:19 <Acromatic> ok then
02:19 <arrow> thats why i am not afraid of that lhc
02:20 <Monkey_arma> i think scientists are not as clever as they think
02:20 <Monkey_arma> most things were discovered by chance
02:20 <Monkey_arma> i dont think they know all the risks with everything they do
02:21 <arrow> yes thats why they call it discovery
02:21 <Monkey_arma> look at asbestos, ok things have improved since then but still
02:21 <arrow> how u would find something without any luck
02:21 <Monkey_arma> some people worked out or estimated what they would find
02:21 <Monkey_arma> like mendeleev
02:21 <arrow> u never can discover which u dont know if can exists just when u calculate
02:21 <Monkey_arma> so thats BS
02:21 <arrow> u need to go to unknown
02:21 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: true but they had to be smart to cross the right (wtf did that one guy cross to learn dominate and receive traits)
02:21 <arrow> to get something
02:23 <Monkey_arma> there is often risk but sometimes/a lot of times scientist underestimate risks
02:23 <arrow> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power
02:23 <arrow> this can destroy planet also
02:24 <arrow> and when they invented nuclear power they thought same
02:24 <arrow> i think
02:24 <Monkey_arma> personally i dont like nuclear power
02:24 <Monkey_arma> it was so unnecessary
02:24 <ct|kyle> look at mars they build the observation lab to run for 2 months they sided up extending that more because of the time it took to get the ice dumped
02:24 <Monkey_arma> was and is
02:25 <arrow> i think we need nuclear power couse he have so big energy consuption like never had before
02:25 <arrow> just look
02:25 <arrow> how many electricity u burn everydau
02:25 <arrow> everyday
02:26 <arrow> withou nuclear power that would be so expensive
02:26 <hoax> hope u run em better than the they do in ua tho
02:26 <Monkey_arma> do you know what small percentage nuclear power accounts for?
02:26 <arrow> :D
02:26 <hoax> -the
02:26 <arrow> there were bigger disaster in russia years before ithknk
02:26 <Monkey_arma> with just a small amount of investment in alternative resources earlier on, like wind, waves ,etc
02:27 <Monkey_arma> they could have avoided nuclear
02:27 <arrow> i dont think so they sources are still expensive by technology in these days
02:28 <arrow> before it needed to be rly costly
02:28 <arrow> that times
02:28 <arrow> we hadnt so good steel etc like now
02:28 <Acromatic> arrow is correct there is a very tiny slight amount of unknown risk.. or an incalculable amount of risk in anything
02:29 <Acromatic> but scientists spend lots and lots of time working out what they can
02:29 <Acromatic> and even years in legislation trying to prove things are safer then they appear
02:29 <arrow> yep
02:29 <Acromatic> as science improves the risk is reduced
02:29 <arrow> so if they will see its too risky
02:29 <arrow> they will make law not to do that
02:30 <arrow> i thnk
02:30 <Acromatic> it's possible that it increases
02:30 <arrow> true
02:30 <Acromatic> take nuclear power for example
02:30 <Acromatic> nuclear power is calculated perfectly..
02:30 <Acromatic> but it's still dangerous
02:30 <Acromatic> so is gasoline
02:31 <Acromatic> so is the sun
02:31 <Acromatic> all of which is calculated
02:31 <arrow> yea
02:31 <arrow> but till u cant calculate it
02:31 <arrow> u dont know it
02:31 <Acromatic> tomarrow someone may accidentially discover a new thing.. like radiation.. which was a pure accident
02:31 <arrow> it exists at all
02:32 <arrow> i mean
02:32 <arrow> look for it from middle age
02:32 <arrow> they were burning ppl when they talked that earth its not flat
02:32 <Acromatic> you know how the Geiger counter was created?
02:32 <arrow> now we think that universe dont have end
02:32 <Acromatic> it was in the american gold rush
02:32 <arrow> hm
02:32 <arrow> dont know
02:32 <Acromatic> total accident
02:33 <arrow> hehe nice
02:33 <Acromatic> the universe doesn't have an end
02:33 <arrow> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayak
02:33 <Acromatic> to me it's instinctual or obvious
02:34 <arrow> this was bigger prob then chernobyl
02:34 <Acromatic> nothing can exist in nothing
02:34 <arrow> but it passed out
02:34 <arrow> but then it is something
02:34 <arrow> couse
02:34 <Acromatic> to exist at all requires an infinite loop
02:34 <arrow> energy cant disapear
02:34 <arrow> it needed to be transfered to something else
02:34 <Acromatic> a loop anyways
02:35 <arrow> can be
02:35 <arrow> but still
02:35 <Acromatic> just like programming
02:35 <Acromatic> just like mathmatics
02:35 <arrow> its more spiral i thnk
02:35 <Acromatic> mathematics*
02:35 <arrow> couse u cant calculate nothing to 100%
02:35 <arrow> when u leave that 1% out
02:35 <arrow> u will never reach perfect circle
02:35 <Acromatic> spiral.. nice yeah makes sense
02:35 <arrow> so its spinning
02:36 <arrow> or how to say it
02:36 <Acromatic> it's curved
02:36 <arrow> yep
02:36 <Acromatic> not nessesarily spinning
02:36 <arrow> but it cant be same loop all the time
02:36 <arrow> it need to change by time
02:36 <Acromatic> look at all known ultimate equations
02:36 <arrow> couse its not perfect so it cant repeat
02:36 <Acromatic> PI and general relativity
02:37 <Acromatic> elliptical in nature
02:37 <arrow> yep
02:37 <Acromatic> planets are spheres..
02:37 <Acromatic> economy, society.. all of these things are loops
02:37 <arrow> couse of gravitation and that it attracts gasses
02:38 <arrow> yes in some ways
02:38 <arrow> but they are all the tiem changed little bit
02:38 <Acromatic> loops, switches, and constents
02:38 <arrow> u can see it how fasion is getting back after years and years but assimilated for needs of that ppl
02:39 <Acromatic> heh fashion is a bit of a stretch
02:39 <Acromatic> but yeah essentially thats the idea
02:39 <Acromatic> karma
02:39 <Acromatic> balance
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02:41 <Acromatic> play spore and you can gather how impossible something like time travel is to modern society
02:41 <Acromatic> tribes don't have machines for example
02:41 <Acromatic> it may be possible
02:41 <Acromatic> but you need a gravity generator
02:41 <arrow> i know what u mean
02:41 <arrow> i was thinking about that for long time
02:41 <arrow> its like we invented wheel
02:42 <arrow> but some of races prob never did this
02:42 <Acromatic> well thats a good example
02:42 <arrow> but they found some other ways to get similar effect
02:42 <Acromatic> without the wheel you don't have progression
02:42 <Acromatic> interaction
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02:42 <Acromatic> it's too slow to advance quickly
02:42 <arrow> hehe :)
02:42 <arrow> lately i was speaking with friends
02:42 <Acromatic> science is a perpetual system.. as you learn the simpler things you work up to the advanced stuff
02:43 <arrow> and there is also some prob
02:43 <Acromatic> aliens might not have flash lights.. but they probably have the wheel
02:43 <teabot> vectroncommits: [trunk] r3 improvements to the zones tool... || [trunk] r2 set x,y coords when creating a zone...
02:43 <arrow> yep
02:43 <arrow> also prob they never invented radio communication
02:43 <Acromatic> it's a key that unlocks oppertunities
02:44 <Acromatic> right
02:44 <arrow> so prob we will never be able to talkt to them or even to know about them couse we will never know how to look for them
02:44 <Acromatic> they could have found fiberoptics instead
02:44 <Acromatic> or something different or better or worse
02:44 <arrow> but u still talking about technologies which are based on our predictions
02:44 <Acromatic> prediction is based on possability
02:45 <arrow> and our seeing that physics
02:45 <arrow> yes
02:45 <Acromatic> light has a spectrum, radiation has frequencies
02:45 <arrow> but also some races could do all these processes by natural form
02:45 <Acromatic> these were waiting to be discovered not invented by man
02:45 <arrow> by genetic mutation
02:45 <arrow> we cant do it so we are using technology instead
02:45 <Acromatic> thats another good point
02:46 <Acromatic> they might have telepathy for example
02:46 <hoax> Fancy-Jr. Is that luke-jr's metrosexual cousin?
02:46 <arrow> yes
02:46 <hoax> lol!
02:46 <Acromatic> and not require external communication
02:46 <arrow> so they will never need to have radio telecomunication
02:46 <arrow> hehe
02:47 <Acromatic> a being with the power of telepathy would be vastly different.. more sociel and more intelligent
02:47 <arrow> so prob we will never be able to talk with them
02:47 <arrow> prob also our signals are passing their planet for long time
02:47 <arrow> but they dont know they are there
02:47 <Acromatic> because thoughts could be conveyed accurately
02:47 <arrow> its same with us
02:47 <Acromatic> not this monkey bumbling we are doing now
02:47 <arrow> :D
02:47 <arrow> u need to take fact we are monkeys :>
02:47 <arrow> i still can climb tree :D
02:47 <Acromatic> nah
02:48 <Acromatic> monkeys evolved along side mankind
02:48 <arrow> prob
02:48 <Acromatic> they are cousins not parents
02:48 <Acromatic> homonid
02:48 <Acromatic> thats where man comes from and monkey
02:49 <Acromatic> it's just that it's relatively new information
02:49 <Acromatic> 1996 to be exact
02:49 <Acromatic> the discovery of lucy
02:49 <Acromatic> the missing link
02:49 <arrow> yep
02:49 <Acromatic> now it's fact
02:49 <Acromatic> we knew before
02:49 <Acromatic> now we have proof
02:50 <Monkey_arma> where do i come from?
02:50 <Acromatic> among many other important discoveries
02:50 <Acromatic> you are related to the sea slug
02:50 <Acromatic> lol
02:50 <arrow> :D
02:50 <Monkey_arma> woo acromatic
02:50 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-work] r888 winzone min rount/last death times are now REALs, allowing m...
02:50 <Monkey_arma> there was recent evidence with small humans that you may be wrong
02:50 <Acromatic> oh?
02:51 <Monkey_arma> yes
02:51 <Acromatic> please elaborate
02:51 <Monkey_arma> they still dont know shit about are exact relationship to monkeys
02:51 <arrow> acromatic
02:51 <arrow> http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn14690-water-bears-are-first-animal-to-survive-space-vacuum.html
02:51 <arrow> this is interesting reading
02:51 <Acromatic> you mean the possibility of mutation rather then lucy being a part of the gentic chain
02:51 <Acromatic> doesn't matter
02:52 <arrow> so basicaly related to this article living organism can evolve also directly in space
02:52 <Acromatic> it only goes as far as proof
02:52 <Monkey_arma> they used to think that homo erectus and homo sapian were parallel
02:52 <Monkey_arma> now they are not sure
02:52 <Monkey_arma> they found totally different type of homo erectus recently
02:52 <Monkey_arma> tiny little men
02:52 <Acromatic> I have all the proof I need.. watch the documentary called walking with cavemen and you'll have the answers to evolution
02:52 <Monkey_arma> hehe
02:52 <Monkey_arma> if its on tv it MUST be true
02:53 <Monkey_arma> not
02:53 <luke-jr> Acromatic: evolution is BS
02:53 <luke-jr> kthxbai
02:53 <Monkey_arma> luke is cristian haha
02:53 <arrow> :D
02:53 <arrow> evolution rlz
02:53 <Monkey_arma> ye right mate
02:53 <arrow> thats why u can talk now
02:53 <Monkey_arma> christ made us
02:53 <Monkey_arma> or god or w/e
02:53 <arrow> lol :D
02:53 <luke-jr> yeah sure
02:53 <Acromatic> evolution isn't bullshit.. btw I have a lot of study on religion aswell luke
02:53 <Acromatic> watch that
02:53 <Acromatic> trust me
02:53 <Monkey_arma> tell jesus i want some bread
02:53 <luke-jr> good thing "evolution" prefers Christians over atheists
02:54 <Acromatic> you'll forget about those fairy tales luke
02:54 <Monkey_arma> er nope
02:54 <arrow> hha luke
02:54 <arrow> why u think?
02:54 <luke-jr> atheists have 2 or 3 kids at most
02:54 <luke-jr> Christians have 10+
02:54 <Acromatic> he doesn't think arrow he believes
02:54 <Monkey_arma> StickyNoob christian vs atheist debate
02:54 <Monkey_arma> because christians are thick inbreds
02:54 <hoax> yeah & they all weak & hungry luke-jr :D
02:55 <Acromatic> luke
02:55 <Acromatic> who created god?
02:55 <luke-jr> God is
02:55 <Acromatic> no no
02:55 <Acromatic> god is a creator
02:55 <Acromatic> so who created him?
02:55 <luke-jr> God simply Is
02:55 <luke-jr> God was not created
02:55 <luke-jr> God is not creation
02:55 <Acromatic> ok then I would like to meet him
02:55 <Acromatic> can you arrange that?
02:55 <luke-jr> no, only you can, with His help
02:56 <Monkey_arma> as far as god goes, ok we cant say 100% its BS, but as far as the current religions go, we can...here is mathematic step theory to proove itt
02:56 <Acromatic> luke.. if god exists why did he create evolution?
02:56 <Monkey_arma> all religions are different
02:56 <Monkey_arma> different rules
02:56 <luke-jr> Acromatic: He didn't. atheist pseudo-scientists did
02:56 <arrow> i jsut rly dont believe there is any superior being with sueper natural powers couse when u look at it generaly it have big problem when humans invented gods couse they werent able to get that that is weather whats cousing their crops are good or bad and not that somekind of god who u willpray to him he will give u crop also this ppl when they would ever see soeone with flashlight or gun they would call him god couse they cant explain how he 
02:56 <Monkey_arma> but they all claim to be the word of god
02:56 <Monkey_arma> so at most only 1 can be right
02:57 <luke-jr> God is supernatural, of course
02:57 <Monkey_arma> which meanns that most of the people in the world are wrong
02:57 <Monkey_arma> (that have a religion)
02:57 <Acromatic> pseudo science is not the answer to why many herds of giant elk would simply run off of a cliff and be stripped to bone
02:57 <Acromatic> according to god
02:57 <Monkey_arma> so the probability is that that 1 religion is also BS
02:57 <Acromatic> man was not there to do this
02:57 <Acromatic> so obviously.. there is no god.. because this has taken place
02:57 <Monkey_arma> btw, God, cheers for cancer, multiple sclerosis, etc
02:58 <Acromatic> yes god is a wonderful thing
02:58 <Acromatic> to make so many suffer
02:58 <arrow> also couse of it there can be somekind of being which know far more then us about universe so he can appear to us like supernatural being
02:58 <Acromatic> better yet luke
02:58 <Acromatic> I hope god is real
02:58 <arrow> me too
02:58 <Acromatic> so when I go to heaven for being such a great guy
02:58 <arrow> i want to see that noob :D
02:58 <Acromatic> I can personally tell him to suck my dick for all the bullshit he puts humans threw
02:59 <Acromatic> now where is your god?
02:59 <luke-jr> bbl
02:59  * arrow agrees
02:59 <Monkey_arma> StickyNoob ..we have blasphemy going on, quick join in!
02:59 <Monkey_arma> arrow you atheist also?
02:59 <Acromatic> actually luke there is a god
02:59 <arrow> sure
02:59 <Acromatic> and it's name is not jesus
02:59 <Acromatic> it's man
02:59 <arrow> i rly dont believe to somekind of supernatural being
03:00 <Acromatic> it's not a matter of believe
03:00 <Acromatic> belief*
03:01 <Acromatic> it's a matter of comprehension
03:01 <Monkey_arma> it is a matter of belief
03:01 <Acromatic> no it's not
03:01 <hoop> you don't need to believe in good, you need to know it
03:01 <arrow> u need to have some proofs to believe which i think there will not be ever
03:01 <hoop> *god
03:01 <Monkey_arma> as far as the current religions go they are BS, but we cant say 100% that there is not something
03:01 <Monkey_arma> not 100%
03:01 <Acromatic> if god wants me to believe and he made me in his image then I should be able to manifest an apple out of shear will
03:01 <hoop> religion is far from god
03:01 <Acromatic> I can not
03:01 <Acromatic> there is no god
03:01 <Monkey_arma> hoop are you atheist?
03:01 <arrow> yep
03:02 <hoop> I am nothing
03:02 <Monkey_arma> so agnostic?
03:02 <arrow> i want to see how religions will survive acounter with another race which will be far more superior then ours
03:02 <hoop> I don't believe in god, I know god
03:02 <Monkey_arma> you know god?
03:02 <arrow> looking like they know everythinh
03:02 <arrow> pity i will not live that day :/
03:03 <hoop> we all know god, just need to accept that
03:03 <Monkey_arma> ???
03:03 <Acromatic> athiest implies that you don't believe in a god or gods... I think the entire thing is ridiculously ignorant therefor I'm not anti-theist I'm simply intelligent
03:03 <Monkey_arma> what do you mean know god?
03:03 <Acromatic> you are theist aswell monkey?
03:03 <hoop> know, feel
03:03 <arrow> hehe
03:03 <Monkey_arma> i am atheist
03:03 <hoop> god is just a little word
03:03 <arrow> nice said acrimatic
03:03 <Monkey_arma> hoop?
03:04 <hoop> the meaning of that word is over brain capacity
03:04 <Acromatic> I used to be theist, then athiest.. somewhere in between I've been baptised both christian and catholic
03:04 <hoop> brain is only a little part of us
03:04 <Acromatic> personally if I were god I'd have killed me by now
03:04 <Monkey_arma> when you were theist did you actually believe in god?
03:05 <arrow> i just see religion like thing which came when we werent able to explain things to us and we needed to sort them somewhere
03:05 <Monkey_arma> i never believed in god
03:05 <arrow> so we created superbeings which rule it all
03:05 <Acromatic> I've read the bible in many manifestations
03:05 <Acromatic> I don't find peace I find contradiction
03:05 <Monkey_arma> hoop so can you just clarigy "yes" or "no" to god
03:05 <Acromatic> I find more people dieing in the name of god then anything else in all of history
03:05 <Monkey_arma> the concept of god is not the same as religion
03:05 <hoop> clarigy?
03:05 <Acromatic> I'm not athiest I'm anti-stupid
03:05 <Monkey_arma> *clarify
03:06 <arrow> and another thing almost all religions on earth have lot of common and similar ages of birth
03:06 <Monkey_arma> Acromatic have you always been anti-stupid ,even when baptised?
03:06 <Acromatic> yes
03:06 <arrow> so prob it was same thing what happend to ppl around the earth
03:06 <Acromatic> I was baptised as a child
03:06 <hoop> religions try to interpret god, but they mess up everything
03:06 <Monkey_arma> against your will?
03:06 <Acromatic> and as a teenager out of respect for a friend
03:06 <Monkey_arma> so i take it hoop believes in god
03:07 <Monkey_arma> ah
03:07 <hoop> I don't need to believe
03:07 <Acromatic> against my will? I was too young to understand the first time
03:07 <arrow> i see ur point hoop i think
03:07 <Monkey_arma> at any age i never believed in god
03:07 <arrow> monkey sometimes u cant choose
03:07 <Monkey_arma> unless i was a baby where my brain was not even functioning for me to think
03:07 <arrow> in primary school i had classmae
03:07 <arrow> and her parents where in cult
03:07 <hoop> you can't use your brain to understand that
03:08 <arrow> and she wasnt able to do anything
03:08 <arrow> rly anythign
03:08 <Monkey_arma> yes i understand
03:08 <Acromatic> I've always questioned religion.. but I'm not ignorant to possibility.. and I like to be accurate in my proof against religion
03:08 <Monkey_arma> but what you do (because you have to) and what you really believe are diferent
03:08 <arrow> now she live out of them
03:08 <arrow> and she left whole that thing
03:08 <Acromatic> religion is different then god
03:08 <Monkey_arma> yes
03:08 <arrow> religion sucks generaly
03:08 <Acromatic> and the fact that most don't understand that is enough proof alone
03:08 <Monkey_arma> for sure religion sucks
03:09 <arrow> like christianity ppl were ruling with it and they burned everybody inteligent
03:09 <Monkey_arma> only luke would disagree ...which only strengthens our case
03:09 <Acromatic> religion is useful to some
03:09 <arrow> jsutone thing
03:09 <hoop> you dont need to believe in god as you don't need to believe in death
03:09 <Acromatic> but a burden to the rest
03:09 <Monkey_arma> hoop?
03:09 <arrow> death is unstoppable like ur birth
03:09 <Acromatic> oh no death is a fact
03:09 <hoop> exactly
03:09 <arrow> it comes togather
03:09 <Acromatic> heh
03:10 <Monkey_arma> hoop you are saying the existance of god is a fact?
03:10 <hoop> yea
03:10 <Monkey_arma> hrmm noo
03:10 <Acromatic> ok hoop prove it
03:10 <Monkey_arma> you certainly cant prove it
03:10 <hoop> not that god they claim, I mean the real concept of god
03:10 <Acromatic> if you can't prove it then it's not a fact
03:10 <Monkey_arma> we understand
03:10 <Acromatic> by definition alone
03:10 <hoop> I can prove it
03:10 <Acromatic> ok please do
03:10 <arrow> guys gn nice talking
03:10 <Monkey_arma> we mean just a god, not related to any current religion
03:10 <arrow> hf here :>
03:10 <Monkey_arma> gn arrow
03:10 <Acromatic> night arrow
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03:11 <Acromatic> god schmod
03:11 <Acromatic> without others to influence you you'd have no concern about deity
03:12 <hoop> death itself proves the existence of god
03:12 <Monkey_arma> how?
03:12 <Monkey_arma> it proves the existance of life
03:12 <Monkey_arma> not god
03:12 <Acromatic> you would however drink water and breath air or die and all of that is science not religion
03:12 <hoop> same thing
03:12 <Acromatic> death proves god?
03:13 <Acromatic> umm.. how?
03:13 <hoop> depends on what you mean by 'god'
03:13 <Acromatic> the bible never talks about death
03:13 <hoop> haven't read the bible
03:13 <Monkey_arma> i think bible and god can be separated here
03:13 <Acromatic> with god you are eternal so how does death prove god?
03:13 <Monkey_arma> forget any current religions and scripture
03:14 <Acromatic> hmm
03:14 <Monkey_arma> he means just a force
03:14 <Monkey_arma> or being
03:14 <Acromatic> fine.. forget them.. and with them the idea of god
03:14 <Acromatic> because that is the source
03:14 <Monkey_arma> some people say about a life force
03:14 <Monkey_arma> that is inbetween the two
03:14 <Acromatic> a soul?
03:14 <Acromatic> lol
03:14 <Monkey_arma> newton tried to prove that life force existed
03:14 <Monkey_arma> but his experiment failed
03:14 <Acromatic> I can make a robot that appears to have a soul
03:14 <Acromatic> how is that different then you or me?
03:14 <Monkey_arma> soul is not the same
03:14 <Monkey_arma> i mean life energy
03:15 <Acromatic> where is the proof of a soul?
03:15 <Acromatic> may I read this material?
03:15 <Monkey_arma> hey i dont believe in life energy
03:15 <hoop> soul, god, etc are word that changed their meanings
03:15 <Monkey_arma> im just saying
03:15 <Acromatic> hoop
03:15 <Acromatic> what is god to you?
03:15 <hoop> have no words to explain
03:16 <Acromatic> besides elaborate delusions
03:16 <Acromatic> hoop
03:16 <Acromatic> I have those feelings also
03:16 <hoop> do you think your being is you brain?
03:16 <Acromatic> most of which were passed on to me by others
03:16 <hoop> *your
03:16 <Monkey_arma> hoop i do
03:16 <Monkey_arma> look at vegetable people who have brain damage
03:16 <hoop> brain is a little part of your being
03:16 <Acromatic> but I don't associate my own minds ability to imagine with an all powerful entity
03:17 <Acromatic> not anymore
03:17 <hoop> so a vegetable doesnt 'be'=
03:17 <hoop> *?
03:17 <Monkey_arma> hoop dont forget brain is both conscious and unconscious
03:17 <Acromatic> never really did
03:17 <Monkey_arma> both parts
03:17 <Acromatic> good point monkey
03:17 <Monkey_arma> hoop, not a vegetable, a vegetative person
03:17 <Acromatic> hoop
03:17 <hoop> scientists say that
03:17 <Acromatic> do you believe in alien abduction?
03:17 <Acromatic> do you think those people know something or are crazy?
03:18 <Monkey_arma> i certainly think there is a huge chance that other beings live somewhere in the multiverse
03:18 <hoop> never met an alien :(
03:18 <Acromatic> thats not what I asked you
03:18 <Monkey_arma> not sure about most ufo sightings or abductions tho
03:18 <Acromatic> I asked if you believe those people know what they are talking about
03:18 <Monkey_arma> i met an alien
03:18 <hoop> I don't know
03:18 <Monkey_arma> ~|DS|~Alien
03:18 <Monkey_arma> harhar
03:18 <Acromatic> exactly hoop.. so how is what you are saying any different?
03:19 <Acromatic> it's not hoop
03:19 <hoop> different from?
03:19 <Acromatic> the manifestation of god
03:19 <Monkey_arma> hoop he is saying if you dont know about aliens you also dont know about god
03:19 <Monkey_arma> you have no actual proof
03:19 <Monkey_arma> just feeling
03:19 <hoop> myself is a manifestation of god, or anything conscious in the universe
03:19 <Acromatic> and feeling is known to be inaccurate
03:20 <Acromatic> both by scientists and religious
03:20 <hoop> I may say that god is the consciousness
03:20 <Acromatic> hoop
03:20 <Acromatic> do you believe in god because you think your body is amazing?
03:20 <Acromatic> divine?
03:20 <Acromatic> perfect?
03:20 <Acromatic> or forged out of perfection?
03:21 <hoop> I said myself, not my body
03:21 <Acromatic> you are your body hoop
03:21 <Acromatic> your mind is a machine
03:21 <hoop> that's what you think
03:21 <Acromatic> a very well constructed and slowly crafted machine nothing more
03:21 <hoop> because you think only using your brain
03:22 <Acromatic> is there another way to think?
03:22 <Monkey_arma> i think we have a problem in that hoop does not necessarily believe in god in the traditional sense
03:22 <hoop> sure
03:22 <Acromatic> let me barrow your brain and then lets ask these same questions
03:22 <Monkey_arma> hoop you are sounding a bit like believing in some kind of life force/energy
03:22 <Acromatic> see how well you do
03:22 <Acromatic> bet you ten bucks all you do is die
03:23 <hoop> I need my brain, as well as I need my heart
03:23 <Acromatic> hoop is acting on feeling alone.. he has manifested an alternate reality.. in psychology thats called diversion.. and this is exactly why religion is dangerous
03:23 <Acromatic> hoop if your god is so great
03:23 <hoop> psychology is dangerous
03:24 <Acromatic> why does he make me hate and distrust your judgement on this particular subject? or is that because I'm a lost child? or whatever fanciful idea you can imagine
03:24 <hoop> psycholgy tries to explain things that are unexplainable
03:24 <hoop> that's not god, that's you
03:24 <Acromatic> well first of all
03:24 <hoop> god does nothing
03:24 <Acromatic> you've construed god to meaning nothing already
03:25 <hoop> that's the point
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03:25 <hoop> it does mean nothing because brain itself can't handle that meaning
03:25 <Acromatic> I have no basis of argument because you don't.. you're caught in a perpetual mental trap you'll possibly never escape from.. sorry for you that you have wasted your opportunity to be a integral part of mankind
03:26 <hoop> brain is the trap
03:26 <Acromatic> and where will that take you hoop?
03:26 <Acromatic> the plane of Asuncion?
03:26 <Acromatic> lol
03:26 <hoop> lol
03:26 <hoax> Lag is a myth. It is only in your brain.
03:27 <Acromatic> cut your brain out.. it's a disease
03:27 <cool-jr> GoOn this way!  No that way!
03:27 <hoax> go for it :)
03:27 <Acromatic> thats what you have said to me
03:27 <hoop> no
03:27 <Acromatic> yes
03:27 <Acromatic> you said the brain is a trap
03:27 <hoop> I said brain is a part
03:27 <Acromatic> it's our only flaw right?
03:27 <Acromatic> cut it out
03:27 <hoop> why cut?
03:27 <hoop> open!
03:28 <Acromatic> if you can still communicate in signs I will shortly join you in oblivion
03:28 <hoax> lol whos cool-jr :D
03:28 <cool-jr> lol whose hoax :D
03:28 <hoax> whose me? :D
03:29 <cool-jr> me whose?
03:29 <ct|kyle> #cool-jr_work luke-jr
03:29 <cool-jr> EXACTLY!
03:29 <cool-jr> you got it kyle!
03:29 <Monkey_arma> hoax aer you atheist or not?
03:29 <Acromatic> oh goody
03:29 <Acromatic> I have brought reinforcements
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03:30 <Acromatic> we will reform and educate you hoop
03:30 <Acromatic> we will save you from yourself
03:30 <Acromatic> from mental illness
03:31 <Acromatic> will you let me help you hoop? no water involved I promise but we will cleanse you :D
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03:31 <Acromatic> lol
03:31 <Acromatic> yes
03:31  * Acromatic marks another on the board
03:31 <hoop> I just got out of madness, don't bring me in back
03:31 <Acromatic> you did?
03:31 <Acromatic> so no more god business?
03:31 <hoop> "madness"
03:31 <Acromatic> you no longer believe?
03:32 <hoop> never said I believe
03:32 <Acromatic> oh right.. no you're still in madness
03:32 <hoop> I'm sorry, not me
03:32 <Acromatic> you know why they call it madness?
03:32 <Acromatic> because it's crazily frustrating
03:32 <Acromatic> for me
03:33 <Acromatic> it's calm and makes perfect sense
03:33 <Acromatic> I know you seek this hoop and I am here to bring you into the light
03:33 <hoax> what's an 'atheist' monk
03:33 <Acromatic> an 11 letter phrase for total insanity?
03:34 <hoop> that's the tipical reaction from a tarpped brain that hides the truth
03:34 <Monkey_arma> someone that does not believe in god
03:34 <Acromatic> no wait I got it.. it's a term for those that have taken reality into the incoherent
03:35 <Acromatic> nvm this isn't devils dictionary
03:35 <Acromatic> I think even they would refuse "atheist monk"
03:35 <hoop> they call it madness when someone doesn't accept the trap in which humanity fit itself
03:36 <hoax> cuz 'atheist' has its own lil culture now
03:36 <hoax> but im not a big god person no
03:38 <Monkey_arma> no it doesnt
03:39 <Acromatic> he means me monkey
03:39 <Monkey_arma> you told me that before and i checked...
03:39 <Monkey_arma> hehe
03:39 <Acromatic> I make a bad name for athiests because I challange religion
03:39 <Monkey_arma> atheist is just a word meaning you dont believe in god
03:39 <bitplane> which god?
03:39 <Acromatic> but thats ONLY if you consider atheism a religion
03:40 <hoax> yeah, but some ppl have created more around it
03:40 <Acromatic> such as?
03:40 <bitplane> i'm agnostic to spinoza's god, but an atheist to abraham's god
03:41 <bitplane> and a devout preacher of Loki
03:41 <Monkey_arma> atheism is NOT a religion
03:41 <Acromatic> I'm just a guy observing and conflicting with the effects of human isolation
03:41 <Monkey_arma> oo hang on, prodigy remix..i like it
03:42 <hoax> no it aint Monkey_arma, but some ppl are pretty much making it into one :/
03:42 <hoax> Monkey_arma, of?
03:42 <Acromatic> I'm all alone in the universe and I have no friends.. so I'll invent one to comfort me.. or just barrow that dudes idea and mix it up until I've created barriers nobody can argue because of it's inherent philosophical origin
03:43 <Acromatic> physics speaks to me
03:43 <Acromatic> god doesn't
03:43 <Acromatic> I'll go chat with physics for awhile god is boring
03:45 <bitplane> organised religion is just the corporate version of personal faith. some people like britney spears, others like indie rock bands. no different, everyone believes something
03:45 <bitplane> arguing over it doesn't make much sense
03:45 <Monkey_arma> bitplane its not
03:46 <Monkey_arma> religion claims to be the one and only true word of god
03:46 <Monkey_arma> 100%
03:46 <Monkey_arma> where as there is no one true and only music type
03:46 <bitplane> no, just the newer abrahamic religions
03:46 <Monkey_arma> what about polytheistic religions?
03:47 <bitplane> there's millions of other religions that go back to before the written word
03:47 <Acromatic> lol.. without religion nobody knows the word god.. yet these days most will not affiliate with a religion yet claim their beliefs not only authentic but diverse... something doesn't add up and it makes me wonder how these people count the pennies they rob from average believers
03:48 <Acromatic> sorry I think that was lots of topics blended
03:48 <bitplane> mostly tribalism using the feeling of awe to hold the tribe to some system of ideals, but also to hold useful stories
03:48 <bitplane> religion probably played a huge part in the development of language, abstract ideas etc
03:49 <bitplane> just in recent history its been about making your tribe as big as possible. worked too, you couldn't have large countries without a shared faith
03:49 <Acromatic> religion is the side effects of language
03:49 <Acromatic> it's the sharing of abstract ideas.. which formed from the only singular abstract idea we all share
03:49 <Acromatic> "the feeling"
03:50 <bitplane> belief systems, systems of ideals etc.. there's always conflict when a new one comes in. right now we have this conflict between dawkins-esque militant atheism and the old religions
03:50 <Acromatic> I'm going to make it my life's mission to create a drug to cure you of this affliction.. but I think thats what Prozac was for honestly
03:50 <bitplane> i reckon in the future we'll have new battles between new ideas
03:51 <bitplane> you suffer from the same affliction! its just different ideas
03:51 <Acromatic> I doubt it.. I think most people are sick of the battles already
03:51 <Acromatic> I think it'd take a long long time to create new things to argue about with everyone so distracted by the ones we already have
03:52 <bitplane> BSD vs GPL :D
03:52 <bitplane> linux vs windows vs macs
03:52 <Acromatic> then again that might be exactly what forces people to seek out new arguements
03:52 <Acromatic> so I guess religion ftw wtf?
03:53 <bitplane> religion = valid human expression. like monkeys throwing their poop around
03:53 <Acromatic> lol
03:53 <Acromatic> nice
03:53 <bitplane> or art, or music, or wordplay
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03:53  * Acromatic marks another check
03:53  * Acromatic erases mark
03:54 <bitplane> part of the cultural richness of the human condition. doesn't matter if its "right" or "wrong", it's just a bunch of ideas passed between people
03:54 <bitplane> you can enjoy it all like you enjoy a painting or a story
03:54 <bitplane> knowing nobody is right because they are just apes that speak and think in worthless babbling noises
03:56 <Acromatic> ugh
03:56 <bitplane> you need to reject bigoted atheism too though, so you can enjoy that as just another more advanced argument put forth by apes who don't know jack shit
03:57 <Acromatic> I know giant elk don't cliff dive
03:57  * bitplane will stfu now
03:57 <Acromatic> reject it all you like
03:57 <Acromatic> pretty sure I'm right though
03:57 <bitplane> thats the point, everyone knows they're right
03:57 <Acromatic> I know religion says thats not possible
03:58 <Acromatic> the main religions for all you technicals
03:58 <Monkey_arma> i dont know im right
03:58 <Monkey_arma> i think im right
03:58 <bitplane> you need more self confidence.. i know i'm right ;)
03:58 <Acromatic> oh I don't know god doesn't exist I'm just pretty sure
03:58 <Acromatic> but I know the bible is wrong
03:59 <Acromatic> and I know giant elk don't cliff dive
03:59 <bitplane> i dont get the elk analogy
03:59 <Acromatic> watch walking with cavemen
03:59 <Acromatic> you'll get it
03:59 <Acromatic> you'll get everything at that point
04:00 <Acromatic> in fact
04:00 <Acromatic> I'm going to go find an online version
04:00 <Acromatic> :)
04:00 <Acromatic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jJgZO-I1kU
04:00 <bitplane> it's atheist propaganda?
04:00 <Acromatic> that was easy
04:01 <Acromatic> atheist? idk I guess it could be construed that way
04:01 <Acromatic> it's not really religion related at all.. except for the proof against it
04:01 <Acromatic> nope just a very informative documentary
04:02 <bitplane> well, that's kinda like preaching to the choir as i already believe all words are just worthless babbling noises made by people
04:02 <Acromatic> suit yourself your beliefs aren't a threat to me :D
04:03 <Acromatic> but for all you half believers
04:03 <bitplane> i already read the ancestors tale by dawkins, covers all "in and out of africa" theories and goes right back to the origins of life
04:03 <Acromatic> witness the true word of... god?
04:03 <Acromatic> just speculation really
04:03 <Acromatic> this is about facts
04:04 <bitplane> modern theists don't believe in the literal creation story anyway
04:04 <Acromatic> dawkins and darwin only got the ball rolling
04:05 <Acromatic> of course they don't.. because it was disproven
04:05 <bitplane> there are still philosophically strong arguments for christianity that don't violate any science
04:05 <Acromatic> so they jump to the next plan
04:05 <bitplane> attacking young earth creationists is like attacking cripples
04:05 <Acromatic> to maintain a hold on their monopoly
04:06 <Acromatic> I don't see it that way
04:06 <Acromatic> I see it more like healing the blind
04:06 <Acromatic> or educating a child
04:06 <bitplane> same way they see converting you to their faith
04:06 <Acromatic> I see science as exactly what religion has been trying to announce for the past thousands of years
04:07 <bitplane> because its all oh-so-obvious once you believe something
04:07 <Acromatic> it's just a shame they have lost all their faith
04:07 <Acromatic> I don't believe
04:07 <Acromatic> I know
04:08 <Acromatic> but yeah that is exactly what they say
04:08 <Acromatic> the difference is they are wrong lol
04:08 <Acromatic> and they are liars aswell
04:08 <Acromatic> and they know it
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04:09 <Acromatic> I'm not argueing religion because I'm trying to convert
04:09 <Acromatic> thats not really possible
04:09 <Acromatic> I'm just here to offer those who already know the constant they expect to exist
04:09 <Acromatic> so they know they are not alone in truth
04:10 <bitplane> http://www.mtnmath.com/implyh/implyh.html <- i'm pretty much sold on this belief system
04:10 <Acromatic> hmm
04:10 <Acromatic> I'm not smart enough to believe I guess
04:10 <hoax> bitplane wherebouts in the uk are ya
04:10 <bitplane> northwest
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04:10 <Acromatic> I know what I can see.. and I trust in some to bring me what I can not experience first hand
04:10 <hoax> Stewah :D
04:11 <bitplane> between liverpool and preston
04:11 <Acromatic> and that is why I take my own role
04:11 <Acromatic> to be the trusted
04:11 <hoax> up norf eh :d
04:11 <hoax> not a liv fan are u
04:11 <Acromatic> and to help assure the purity of that trust
04:11 <bitplane> you a southerner eh?
04:12 <hoax> yarp london
04:12 <Monkey_arma> bitplane what is your nick ingame?
04:12 <Acromatic> lol fight fight!
04:12 <hoax> not seen u in here before
04:12 <Acromatic> duke it out!
04:12 <Stewah> hrm?
04:12 <Acromatic> hahaha
04:12 <Monkey_arma> stewaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh
04:12 <hoax> Stewah wheres x'y? :/
04:12 <Stewah> I dunno
04:13 <Stewah> he dissapeared >.>
04:13 <Acromatic> monkey bitplane doesn't play this game
04:13 <Stewah> he's with that one crazy girl obviously :D
04:13 <hoax> importing more chicks I guess :x
04:13 <hoax> :P
04:13 <Acromatic> I invited him here to keep me in check
04:13 <Acromatic> I like to be spanked
04:13 <Acromatic> oops lol
04:13 <bitplane> monkey, haven't played online yet
04:14 <hoax> wrong chan? :D
04:14 <Acromatic> nah you can spank me sweety
04:14 <hoax> how u guys find this place
04:14 <Acromatic> :P
04:14 <Acromatic> I play the game
04:14 <Acromatic> how did you find this place?
04:14 <hoax> funilly enough..I play the game too
04:15 <hoax> unlike most ppl in here >.>
04:15 <Acromatic> wow really?
04:15 <Acromatic> no way!
04:15 <Acromatic> dude we should be best friends :D
04:15 <hoax> although the actually players are takin it back ;P
04:15 <Acromatic> we are indentical lol
04:15 <hoax> i know!
04:15 <Stewah> hrm
04:15 <Stewah> I wonder if I should start playing again :D
04:15 <Acromatic> whats yer beef stewy?
04:15 <hoax> dont be jealous stew u no u my no1
04:15 <Stewah> I want a best friend >.>
04:15 <Acromatic> hell yes you should stew
04:15 <Stewah> :D
04:16 <Acromatic> this game is da bestestest
04:16 <hoax> shoukdnt ur best friend be your missus? :D
04:16 <hoax> what servs u on Acromatic
04:16 <Acromatic> women can't be friends anymore then pets
04:16 <Stewah> pfft, she is my bestest bestest friend evar!
04:16 <Stewah> :D
04:16 <hoax> lol xD
04:17 <Acromatic> they don't have the intellect or a conscious
04:17  * Acromatic dodges frying pan
04:17 <Acromatic> primal creatures
04:17 <Stewah> >.>
04:17 <Acromatic> religion is right about them I think
04:18  * Acromatic feels a sudden pain in his mind.. it's ea.. it's eating me alive AHHHHH!
04:19 <hoax> gotta crash, peace ^^
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04:19 <Acromatic> I knew they had psy-chic powers damn fem fetales
04:20 <Acromatic> hoax I just started playing again today
04:20 <Acromatic> I play on low ping servers idc what their names are
04:20 <Acromatic> anything in the eastern united states region
04:20 <Acromatic> probably
04:21 <Acromatic> ...omfg I just realised
04:22  * Acromatic drop kicks teabot
04:47 <StickyNoob> awww i missed the blasphomy
04:50 <Monkey_arma> u sure did
04:51 <Monkey_arma> he's as severe as u
04:51 <StickyNoob> reading back i dissagree with him on many points
04:53 <Monkey_arma> like?
04:54 <Acromatic> really such as?
04:54 <Acromatic> I love watching people argue with the truth
04:54 <Monkey_arma> Acromatic he is a devout athiest
04:55 <Acromatic> pretty much :)
04:55 <Acromatic> oh him you mean
04:55 <Acromatic> same here
04:55 <Acromatic> sorta
04:55 <Acromatic> personally I think the labels are the problem
04:55 <Acromatic> once you give it a name it has weight
04:55 <Acromatic> god
04:56 <Acromatic> oh my god has bothered more people in my life then fuck you
04:56 <Acromatic> :/
04:56 <Acromatic> or was it jesus christ
04:56 <Acromatic> which is just a name
04:57 <StickyNoob> actualy maby i dont, i was misreading the section and i tohught he was saying athiesm is a religion, but i dont think he was
04:57 <Acromatic> definately not
04:57 <Acromatic> religion to me is nothing
04:58 <Acromatic> it's a term for an unspecified chain of actions
04:58 <Acromatic> every time I argue about god they have a different belief
04:58 <StickyNoob> ironicly its probably an evolutionary by products
04:58 <Acromatic> lol yeup.. it is so they tell me
04:59 <Acromatic> what really gets me is it's relation to intelligence
04:59 <Acromatic> the universe is ironic
05:00 <Acromatic> for me god is carrot top sitting on a toilet
05:01 <Acromatic> development has many levels though
05:01 <Acromatic> and that was towards the first
05:02 <Acromatic> symmetrical like god would have it... argh religion is a black hole
05:03 <StickyNoob> ive come to the conclusion i dont mind people having their belifs provided a few ground rules are accepted 1) people dont try to change laws on religious grounds 2) people dont expect their religous belifs to be protected more than any other belif 3) they dont try to change education based on religion
05:03 <Acromatic> and I'm a spaceship with ludicrous warp speed
05:04 <Acromatic> hmm.. are you american sticky?
05:04 <StickyNoob> no
05:04 <Acromatic> maybe you should be
05:04 <StickyNoob> why?
05:04 <Acromatic> because we don't do that here :D
05:05 <StickyNoob> i know you dont
05:05 <Acromatic> of course you do
05:05 <StickyNoob> hell UK isnt much better, we directly appoint members of the church to our government
05:06 <Acromatic> isn't much better??  wait a second did I make a typo?
05:06 <Acromatic> WE DON"T LET RELIGION TOUCH ANYTHING
05:06 <Acromatic> except little boys maybe
05:06 <Acromatic> hard to control that part
05:06 <StickyNoob> who is we? where are you from?
05:06 <Acromatic> lol
05:06 <Acromatic> america
05:07 <Acromatic> duh
05:07 <StickyNoob> ok
05:07 <Acromatic> in america even the religious agree that it has no place in government affairs
05:08 <Acromatic> and we even gave them freedom to be stupid so we aren't total bigots
05:08 <StickyNoob> does Bush agree with that?
05:08 <Acromatic> who cares?
05:08 <StickyNoob> true hes only the president
05:08 <Acromatic> fuck bush
05:08 <StickyNoob> not like his opinion matters
05:08 <Acromatic> lol
05:08 <Acromatic> it doesn't to me
05:09 <Acromatic> on that issue it doesn't matter what he thinks he can't change it
05:09 <Acromatic> not without starting a revolution
05:09 <Acromatic> on that subject I know it would happen
05:09 <Acromatic> anything else is iffy
05:10 <StickyNoob> but he does have influence
05:10 <Acromatic> so does hollywood and they are mostly atheist
05:10 <Acromatic> or at least agree on the subject
05:10 <StickyNoob> cut funding for stem cell research probably on religious grounds
05:10 <Acromatic> umm sorta
05:11 <StickyNoob> publicly said intelligent s
05:11 <Acromatic> mostly yes
05:11 <StickyNoob> *design is a valid theory
05:11 <Acromatic> well to some
05:12 <Acromatic> but most of the activists in this country are intelligent and atheist
05:12 <Acromatic> and would go crazy over that subject
05:12 <Acromatic> maybe not over stem cells which is still in heated debate
05:12 <Acromatic> and a new subject
05:12 <StickyNoob> so why is in god we true your national motto?
05:12 <StickyNoob> and on your currency?
05:12 <Acromatic> but as far as school or appointing say a preist to office.. no way
05:13 <StickyNoob> and in your pledge of aligence
05:13 <Acromatic> because when it was written everyone was religious
05:13 <StickyNoob> but you claimed you have a seperation of church and state
05:13 <Acromatic> just because it's a common belief doesn't mean that it's appropriate in certain areas
05:14 <Acromatic> we do
05:14 <Acromatic> by law
05:14 <StickyNoob> well that laws not working
05:14 <Acromatic> how so?
05:14 <Acromatic> nothing is done on religious terms
05:15 <Acromatic> the state isn't run by a church
05:15 <Acromatic> just a religious dickhead
05:15 <Acromatic> and sometimes atheist dickheads
05:15 <Acromatic> it's working as good as can be expected I'd say
05:15 <Acromatic> personally I feel like this nation is changing
05:16 <StickyNoob> other countries manage it far better(not UK)
05:16 <StickyNoob> look at france, now they know how to do atiesm
05:16 <StickyNoob> *athiesm
05:16 <Acromatic> people are becoming more educated and influenced by minorities they weren't influenced by before
05:16 <StickyNoob> or rather secularism
05:16 <Acromatic> namely atheists
05:16 <Acromatic> and the more scientific of the communities
05:17 <Acromatic> it's hard to argue with people that create everything you do
05:18 <StickyNoob> oh you are definately on the right track, the whole world is. generaly religious belif as been on a steady decline for hundreds of years. but dont fool yourself into thinking you live in a truely secular society
05:18 <StickyNoob> *has
05:18 <Acromatic> no I don't
05:18 <Acromatic> not by far
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05:18 <Acromatic> everyone I know is religious
05:19 <Acromatic> and they all agree it has no place in government
05:19 <Acromatic> here religion is diluted in most places
05:21 <StickyNoob> there are people who belive that the founding farthers concept of seperation of church and state means that the state cannot interfere with the church, it does not prevent the church interfereing with the state
05:21 <Acromatic> I think a combination of respect for the non-religious combined with personal knowledge that what they believe is truly not fact creates the acceptance of separated church and state
05:21 <Acromatic> yeah but they are dumbass hillbillies that nobody listens to
05:22 <Acromatic> I don't think most people believe in god
05:22 <Acromatic> I think most just believe in religion
05:24 <StickyNoob> i dont respect religious belif however believing in whatever you like is a fundamental right, so altho not explicitly respected i accept it as a persons right
05:26 <StickyNoob> anyway
05:26 <StickyNoob> bed
05:26 <StickyNoob> nn
05:27 <Acromatic> I respect ideas
05:28 <Acromatic> religion is something else
05:28 <Acromatic> it's a tool of power that needs to be destroyed
05:28 <Acromatic> like corporations that don't produce anything at all except act as an ignorance factory
05:29 <Acromatic> jesus christ superstar
05:34 <Acromatic> Babylon A.D.  - enough said
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06:42  * Lucifer is finally back
06:42 <Lucifer> well, sorta
06:42 <Lucifer> GodTodd: ping
06:42 <GodTodd> Lucifer, pong
06:43 <Lucifer> hey, can I borrow some money? :)
06:43  * Lucifer is $50 in the hole and having timesheet problems at work
06:43 <GodTodd> ummm i'd have to check to see what we can spare
06:43 <GodTodd> how soon would you need it?
06:43 <Lucifer> as soon as humanly fucking possible
06:44 <GodTodd> $50 we should be able to handle, i'd assume
06:44 <Lucifer> I've got $10 my sister gave me to see a counselor, and a few dollars extra that won't buy a pack of cigarettes
06:44 <Lucifer> and running on empty ;)
06:44 <GodTodd> if not we have some serious budgeting issues
06:45 <Lucifer> heh, I've got a program that can't help
06:45 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: you quit the smoking
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06:45  * Lucifer just discovered his stupid accountant's budgeting is broken
06:45 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: I relapsed last week
06:45 <Lucifer> divorce is immense stress
06:45 <GodTodd> actually, karen just got paid like two days ago
06:45 <GodTodd> middle check is our "buffer check" so you may be in luck :)
06:45 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: i figured you would with that
06:46 <GodTodd> Lucifer, you guys aren't fighting over custody stuff are you?  pretty much agreed on it?
06:46 <Lucifer> we're pretty much agreed on the settlement, I think
06:46 <Lucifer> unless she comes along and throws me a new curve ball
06:46 <GodTodd> heh
06:47 <Lucifer> that hasn't been a problem, really
06:47 <GodTodd> women *never* do that ;)
06:47 <GodTodd> my custody thing was pretty harsh
06:47 <Lucifer> heh
06:47 <GodTodd> you in a place now or still with your sis?
06:48 <Lucifer> well, my stbx isn't a bad person, and she respects and understands the value of the kids having relationships with both parents
06:48 <Lucifer> I'm in a new place, just moved in tonight
06:48 <GodTodd> good deal
06:48 <Lucifer> thinking of opening a bottle of wine, but that's a bad idea when you're depressed :(
06:48 <Lucifer> so I booted up my computer to see if there was an open router nearby, and I'm in luck :)
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06:48 <GodTodd> every new beginning is the result of an ending
06:48 <Lucifer> I'll find out from my roommate what I need to do to hook up into the right router tomorrow, or sometime
06:49 <Lucifer> yeah, that's true
06:49 <Lucifer> I'm depressed though because I talked to her earlier tonight
06:49 <GodTodd> that'll do it
06:49 <Lucifer> we just took care of business, no trouble or anything, even though there was some tension on both sides
06:49 <Lucifer> we did well this time :)
06:49 <Lucifer> but, see, I'm in the stage where I'm getting very angry after talking to her, and I don't like being mad at her, so then I get real sad that I'm mad
06:49 <Lucifer> it's a mess
06:49 <GodTodd> heh...my ex and i got *kicked out* of mediation
06:49 <Lucifer> fighting too much?
06:49 <GodTodd> yep
06:50 <Lucifer> as long as we can control our tempers, we should be fine
06:50 <Lucifer> we're both reasonable people, and we've stopped talking about how disappointed we are with each other
06:50 <GodTodd> yeah, i sometimes have trouble with that myself :)
06:51 <GodTodd> just make sure the kids are always out of the line of fire
06:51 <Lucifer> had I controlled my temper in a few places, this divorce either wouldn't be happening, or might have been reversed, I think
06:51 <Lucifer> yeah, we didn't do a good job of that when we were married, hopefully we'll do better when we're divorced
06:51 <Lucifer> we're setup to have one phone call a week with each other, email as needed (but limited as much as possible)
06:51 <GodTodd> i'm a firm believer that kids would rather be from a broken home than live in one
06:51 <Lucifer> she doesn't talk to me when she drops off the kids, and I don't talk to her
06:52 <Lucifer> actually, it depends, according to this book I've been reading
06:52 <Lucifer> if the divorce ends the conflict, the kids are better off
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06:52 <Lucifer> but if the divorce just leads to more conflict, particularly the escalations that can happen, kids are surprisingly better off living in the "broken home"
06:52 <GodTodd> well, yeah, obviously if you keep the conflict then the kids are messed up anyway
06:53 <Lucifer> that's what my stbx had with her parents, and why she's so hardcore about making sure we have a good divorced relationship
06:53 <Lucifer> we have to be good coparents, we don't have a choice on that
06:53 <Lucifer> and we're taking that seriously, and it appears that for now we've got our emotions under control during communication with one another
06:53 <Lucifer> so, the divorce is going swimmingly, and naturally I feel like shit :/
06:53 <GodTodd> mine ended up easy on that part...my ex hasn't seen our son since turkey day weekend of '04
06:54 <GodTodd> i just send my two emails a year offering visitation and that's it
06:54 <GodTodd> heh
06:54 <Lucifer> that could be a problem later for the kid :(
06:54 <Lucifer> might be right now, according to this book I've been reading
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06:55 <GodTodd> and don't go down the "if i had done things differently" road
06:55 <GodTodd> that road leads to madness
06:55 <Lucifer> I don't know if the feeling of abandonment is better or worse than continuing conflict after divorce
06:55 <Lucifer> well, there's always the implied "if she had done things differently" too
06:55 <Lucifer> it takes two people to have a bad marriage and get divorce
06:55 <Lucifer> always
06:55 <GodTodd> well...i'm in a special situation myself so if he has those problems i should have the expertise to talk about it with him
06:55 <Lucifer> in texas, those people are defined as 1 man and 1 woman
06:55 <Lucifer> you can relate, anyway
06:56 <GodTodd> yep
06:56 <Lucifer> that should help a lot, and it's not like nobody can have good kids in these situations
06:56 <Lucifer> it's just really hard, the deck is stacked against you
06:56 <Lucifer> but you can still pull a straight flush
06:57 <GodTodd> yep...but there are plenty of well-adjusted people that are the products of divorced parents
06:57 <Lucifer> most kids of divorced parents, apparently
06:57 <Lucifer> it's only like 30% of divorces that wind up in continuing conflict
06:57 <Lucifer> those just happen to be the horror stories we all hear
06:57 <GodTodd> and plenty of fuckups that are the result of continuously married parents
06:57 <Lucifer> yep
06:58 <Lucifer> kids are resilient, though, and as long as they have two dedicated and devoted parents, they should be ok
06:58 <GodTodd> my whole beef is the "stay married for the kids" crowd
06:58 <GodTodd> dipshits :)
06:58 <GodTodd> yep
06:58 <Lucifer> well, we were in the "try to work it out for kids" crowd
06:58 <Lucifer> as you can see, we're not in that other crowd
06:58 <GodTodd> oh, definitely, trying to work it out is just common sense
06:59 <GodTodd> staying with someone just until the kids hit the door at 18 is asinine :)
06:59 <Lucifer> man, I think I still want to work it out, and I think we can...provided *she* also wants to work it out
06:59 <Acromatic> whoa where did the god squad come in?
06:59 <Lucifer> but I need to be careful with that, she doesn't get all the blame for this
06:59 <Lucifer> there's no god squad here, is there?
06:59  * Lucifer wonders if luke's been talking during this conversation
06:59 <Acromatic> sure
06:59 <GodTodd> yeah, if she wants to work it out too i'd say go for it
06:59 <Lucifer> she doesn't
06:59 <Acromatic> lucifer and godtodd
06:59 <Acromatic> two gods
06:59 <Acromatic> = god squad
06:59 <Lucifer> oh, heh
06:59 <Lucifer> you're new here, aren't you?
07:00 <GodTodd> haha
07:00 <Acromatic> where the internet? no
07:00 <Lucifer> so, if you want to loan me some money, paypal will be the fastest way to get it to me
07:00 <Lucifer> Acromatic: this channel
07:00 <GodTodd> i can do that
07:00 <Acromatic> lol
07:00 <Acromatic> yup
07:00 <GodTodd> i've got an active CC set up on paypal
07:00  * Lucifer is a regular here, but has been absent for a little while
07:00 <GodTodd> i use it when i buy ebay junk
07:00 <Lucifer> paypal@davefancella.com
07:00 <Acromatic> hey I got paypal while you're handing it out
07:00 <Lucifer> I've got it linked to my current account
07:00 <Acromatic> lol
07:01 <Lucifer> but I'm $53 in the hole there, so.... (obvious implications)
07:01 <Acromatic> lucifer didn't you see our hours long debate about religion earlier?
07:01 <Lucifer> Acromatic: no, I just showed up here a few inutes ago
07:01 <Lucifer> too bad I wasn't here, I'd have shut it down :)
07:01 <Acromatic> thats odd you came immediately after
07:01  * ct|kyle wonders what an inute is
07:01 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: it's 1/60 of an our
07:02 <GodTodd> Acromatic, are you a friend i've had for 20 years that's having a rough time right now? :)
07:02 <Acromatic> luke might call that a sign
07:02 <ct|kyle> heh what is an our
07:02 <Acromatic> umm.. yes?
07:02 <Lucifer> luke hates me, why would he consider that a sign?
07:02 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: 1/24 of an ay
07:02 <Acromatic> our
07:02 <Acromatic> as in this is our time
07:02 <ct|kyle> what is a ay
07:03 <Acromatic> ay?
07:03 <Lucifer> 1/365 of an ear, or 1/366 of an eap ear
07:03 <Acromatic> idk what is an ay?
07:03  * Lucifer wonders if Acromatic is really as aware of conversations around him as he doesn't seem to be
07:03 <ct|kyle> booo  1/365.249...... of a ear
07:03 <Acromatic> isn't that what canadians say? ay?
07:03 <Lucifer> heh, but I couldn't make an eap ear crack if I did it *your* way
07:04 <Acromatic> nope not really
07:04 <ct|kyle> true
07:04 <Acromatic> I have selective vision
07:04 <Acromatic> actually I read that after
07:04 <Acromatic> I just assumed he was talking to me as he had asked me a simular question
07:05  * Acromatic wonders if Lucifer is really as aware of conversations around him as he doesn't seem to be
07:05 <Acromatic> I can only see in green
07:06 <Acromatic> sometimes red
07:06 <Lucifer> the thing I love most about long absences from this channel is when I come back and there's some new guy who thinks I'm the new guy
07:06 <Acromatic> I never said you were a new guy
07:06 <GodTodd> Lucifer, sent
07:07 <GodTodd> $200 enough?
07:07 <Lucifer> holy crap, $200 is plenty!  Thanks!
07:07  * Lucifer hugs GodTodd (hi there!) 
07:07  * ct|kyle needs to befriend GodTodd
07:07 <Acromatic> aww I want some :(
07:07 <GodTodd> np
07:08 <Acromatic> just mail me a dooby that'll be enough
07:08 <GodTodd> it comes of the credit cardd and we just pay it 30 days later :)
07:08 <GodTodd> all i have to do is tell karen your situation and she'll probably get mad for not giving more ;)
07:09 <Acromatic> wish I had friends like that
07:09 <GodTodd> takes 20 years and a bunch of shit for that :)
07:10 <Acromatic> my friends ask for "a hand" and then drag me onto a construction site and when I explain I have more important things to do they get angry and leave me stranded 20 miles from home :/
07:10 <Acromatic> with no phone
07:11 <Acromatic> it was a long walk
07:11 <Acromatic> lol
07:11 <Acromatic> and yeah
07:11 <Lucifer> let's see how long this "confirmed bank account" transfer takes
07:11 <Acromatic> it had been 20 years and a lot of shit
07:12 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: bob barr filed suit yesterday
07:12 <Lucifer> for what?
07:12  * Lucifer hasn't been following politics lately
07:12 <ct|kyle> to Kick McCain, Obama Off Texas Ballot
07:14 <ct|kyle> bob barr practically messed up his campaign the 9th and 10th, asked Ron Paul to be Vice president and then he did not show up for Ron Paul's press conference.
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07:17 <GodTodd> Lucifer, not sure how long it takes but ebay people always are pleased with how fast they get their money and it's showing on my CC account now
07:18 <Lucifer> paypal's already taken it, it's a question of how long it takes for paypal to send it to me
07:18 <GodTodd> yep
07:18 <Lucifer> normally it's 3-4 days for an unconfirmed account because they have to setup the transfer
07:18 <Lucifer> it *should* happen early tomorrow, though
07:18 <GodTodd> i've never received paypal payments so i'm not sure how long it takes
07:18 <GodTodd> mine's definitely confirmed :)
07:19 <Lucifer> it took a few days for me to get ed's
07:19 <Lucifer> but I confirmed the account and linked it and all that stuff at the same time
07:20 <GodTodd> hopefully it'll be fairly quick and painless
07:21 <Lucifer> it should be, my bank will be happy to get the money since it'll put me in a positive balance again
07:21 <GodTodd> heh
07:21 <Lucifer> I had charged some minutes for my phone, and thought it cleared, even saw a transaction that looked like it
07:21 <Lucifer> so I was sitting on $108
07:21 <Lucifer> then I registered my car for $100
07:21 <Lucifer> but it was a $20 minute purchase for my phone :(
07:21 <Lucifer> sucked a lot
07:22 <Lucifer> at least they didn't bounce, though.  My bank still paid them
07:22 <GodTodd> oh, i know how that shit goes
07:22 <Lucifer> but it charged a $40 nsf
07:22 <GodTodd> yep
07:22 <Lucifer> I *need* to do better, heh
07:22 <Lucifer> but now I'm in my place, I can get my affairs in order more easily
07:22 <Lucifer> I've got a buddy who's going to move in, too, so my rent will be $350
07:22 <GodTodd> yeah...the getting a roof over your head thing makes most other stuff insignificant
07:22 <Lucifer> and 1/3 of utilities, with the roommate that already lives here being a new friend
07:23 <GodTodd> house or apt?
07:23 <Lucifer> like brand new, met on craigslist while I was looking for a roommate ;)
07:23 <Lucifer> house
07:23 <GodTodd> cool
07:23 <Lucifer> the buddy that's moving in is one of the guys I went on my nasa trip with
07:23 <Lucifer> he was in my physics class last spring
07:23 <Lucifer> good guy
07:23 <Lucifer> so, my new roommate is 45, I'm 33, and my buddy is 23
07:24 <GodTodd> heh
07:24 <Lucifer> he got kicked out of his girlfriend's house at the beginning of summer and has been couch surfing since then
07:24 <Lucifer> so when I was suddenly looking for a place, he was an obvious person to call, oddly enough
07:24 <GodTodd> well, yeah
07:24 <Lucifer> I found this place, then called him and asked if he wanted to move in with me, hooked him up here and stuff
07:25 <Lucifer> my sister had a worry episode tonight when I was getting the rest of my stuff out of her house :)
07:25 <GodTodd> 3 bed house or do you have to put out? ;)
07:25 <GodTodd> worry? why?
07:26 <Lucifer> well, I moved in knowing I didn't have money for October's rent :)
07:26 <Lucifer> still waiting for income to ramp up, and it will increase a bit in the first paycheck in october, which is a week after rent's due
07:27 <Lucifer> being depressed off and on, I haven't ate much, so she's worried I won't eat
07:27 <GodTodd> ah
07:27 <Lucifer> wants me to come over once a week so she can make sure I'm at least eating that often :)
07:27 <Lucifer> that sort of thing
07:27 <GodTodd> big sister stuff :)
07:27 <Lucifer> she kept saying "I know you're 33, but I worry"
07:27 <Lucifer> she's a good big sister :)
07:27 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: a late fee is not that much though for only a few days
07:27 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: it's fine, two things
07:27 <GodTodd> ct|kyle, depends on the place
07:28 <Lucifer> 1) my new roommate is extremely understanding, having been through a nasty pseudo-divorce herself (broke up with a fiance, no kids)
07:28 <Lucifer> 2) my sister did write me a check for the rent, but because it's for the rent, I can't just stick it into my bank account
07:29 <Lucifer> so I've got rent now, a gift card to HEB for groceries, and GodTodd just gave me the money that should keep gas in my car, might buy a clutch, and should fend off other problems that may arise
07:29 <Lucifer> so it *finally* looks like I'll make it to October without having to live in my car :)
07:29 <ct|kyle> looks like it
07:30 <Lucifer> er, I forgot the part about 1.  1) so she is willing to front me the money for October's rent
07:30 <GodTodd> i tried to give a bit of a buffer for you...i know that i always liked having a *bit* of extra money
07:30 <Lucifer> but then I'm in catchup mode
07:30 <Lucifer> well, see, with my brother-in-law's dad dying of lung cancer from smoking, and me relapsing, to keep him comfortable helping me out, she had to do it in a way that prevented me from using the money for cigarettes
07:30 <GodTodd> i'm close enough to my "rock bottom" times to remember what it was like
07:31 <Lucifer> and seeing as how she was so proud of me quitting and so disappointed I relapsed, I think I don't mind her wanting to do that
07:31 <GodTodd> yep
07:31 <Lucifer> also, she's in arough spot.  She's been footing most of the bill for my brother's lawyer for *his* divorce, and her husband is unemployed right now
07:31 <Lucifer> this was really the worst possible timing for me to get a divorce
07:31 <Lucifer> just, all the way around
07:31 <GodTodd> ouch...i know how expensive that can get
07:32 <Lucifer> the only way it's good is that now I can apply to A&M seriously, because I'm not tied down anymore
07:32 <Lucifer> I still have to come back to see my kids at appropriate times, of course, but A&M is in easy driving range
07:32 <Lucifer> GodTodd: yeah, and *that* divorce is a hairy one
07:32 <GodTodd> yeah...it's when they're hairy that they get expensive
07:33 <Lucifer> my girl is happy I'll be able to go to A&M :)
07:33 <Lucifer> I'm just one letter of rec and a financial aid award letter from sending in my app
07:33 <GodTodd> cool :)
07:33 <Lucifer> (the financial aid award letter is to have the app fee waived)
07:34 <Lucifer> I've got three very strong letters of rec, and I'm just waiting for one more
07:34 <GodTodd> ah...i got around that by going to an orientation at UTD
07:34 <Lucifer> I don't think there's a way around it other than showing need, and a financial aid award letter from your previous school shows need
07:34 <Lucifer> for A&M, I mean
07:34 <GodTodd> right
07:35 <ct|kyle> well i'm off to bed, good to hear your in a house again Lucifer
07:35 <GodTodd> hell i had to pay UTD $137 to get a decent parking permit :/
07:35 <Lucifer> thanks ct|kyle (hi there!) ;)
07:35 <Lucifer> good night
07:35 <GodTodd> night ct|kyle
07:35 <Lucifer> egads, I hope I don't have to do something like that
07:35  * Lucifer is hoping to live on-campus
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07:36 <GodTodd> i wish i had had an opportunity to live on campus when i was younger
07:37 <Lucifer> I think I'm going to go in there and try to be a kid again ;)
07:37 <Lucifer> with two exceptions, obviously
07:37 <GodTodd> heh
07:37 <Lucifer> gotta go see my own kids, and won't do any drugs (except alcohol)
07:37 <Lucifer> and of course I'll have to mind my age around the youngsters when drinking
07:37 <GodTodd> and you'll study!
07:38 <Lucifer> oh yeah, and I'll get my fucking degree ;)
07:38 <Lucifer> I better, I'm sacrificing my marriage for it
07:39 <GodTodd> that was one of the issues?
07:39 <GodTodd> i know it was in my breakup
07:50 <Lucifer> it wasn't an issue directly
07:50 <Lucifer> at least, not nominally
07:50 <Lucifer> but I'm pretty sure it was an issue :(
07:56 <GodTodd> probably...i didn't know my schooling was an issue until after the fact
08:01 <Lucifer> well, it's been an issue that she always picks a fight with me right before finals
08:02 <Lucifer> I forced the issue finally, and nearly left her before christmas, and then she behaved for the spring just fine
08:02 <Lucifer> summer, not so fine
08:02 <Lucifer> but she spent the summer basically rejecting me, so....
08:02 <GodTodd> rejecting you?
08:02 <Lucifer> anyway, I don't know that I want to talk about it more right now.  Why we're splitting up isn't so important if she doesn't want to talk about getting back together, and I need to distance myself emotionally from her
08:03 <GodTodd> true
08:03 <Lucifer> rejecting me, doing all those little things that make you think you're not part of her family anymore (immediate family, that is)
08:03 <GodTodd> ah
08:03 <GodTodd> i got ya
08:03 <Lucifer> I don't mean that I'll not think about why we're splitting up, just that I want to meter the time so I don't obsess about it :)
08:04 <GodTodd> definitely :)
08:04 <Lucifer> I've got a new life to work on
08:04 <Lucifer> I started juggling yesterday :)
08:04 <GodTodd> i can juggle two things :)
08:04 <GodTodd> heh
08:04 <Lucifer> tomorrow I've got to go to a Friends of the Planetarium meeting so I can work their booth Saturday evening in the Pecan Street Festival
08:05 <Lucifer> that's a group I've wanted to get involved with but didn't because my wife wasn't interested
08:05 <Lucifer> See, for the size, austin doesn't have a planetarium, but should
08:05 <Lucifer> so this group is trying to raise money and interest to build and operate one
08:05 <GodTodd> ah
08:06 <Lucifer> talked to a girl today that works at Target
08:06 <Lucifer> I know it's only retail, but if she can get me in there, it'll make up the difference
08:07 <GodTodd> part timme?
08:07 <Lucifer> she's in one of the physics classes I'm working, and she's a manager at Target (probably an assistant manager)
08:07 <Lucifer> she says there's plenty of hours available
08:07 <Lucifer> I'm estimating I'll take home $1k from my current job(s), and I only need another $600 to hit my target (no pun intended)
08:07 <GodTodd> probably...and moreso the clooser you get to xmas
08:07 <Lucifer> 20 hours a week at $9 will be fine for me, but she says they can probably give me more
08:08 <Lucifer> if I can get 30 on my schedule, I'll be in good shape
08:08 <GodTodd> until you get back into school i'd be an hour hog
08:08 <Lucifer> won't leave a lot of time for social activities, but that also means there won't be a lot of time for sitting home alone with nothing to do, either
08:08 <GodTodd> yeah...idle time is your enemy right now
08:08 <Lucifer> yep
08:09 <Lucifer> which is what I've got right now ;)
08:09 <GodTodd> i know it helped me a bunch when i had to get a job right away
08:09 <Lucifer> haha, I got the "you transferred money from paypal" email before the "you've got funds" email
08:09 <GodTodd> haha
08:10 <Lucifer> wel, I think I've been suffering from some depression for awhile, definitely a problem in the marriage
08:10 <GodTodd> so is it there now? or is there another hoop it has to jump?
08:10 <Lucifer> more importantly, a problem that she didn't take seriously whenever I tried to talk to her about it, so it's untreated depression
08:10 <GodTodd> that's bad news
08:10 <Lucifer> yeah, it's already been there and I told it to transfer, just that paypal's notification email is late
08:10 <GodTodd> good
08:11 <Lucifer> but the depression is playing a role in my job search right now, so I think it's pretty damn important for me to get in somewhere quickly, anywhere, and get bills paid
08:11 <Acromatic> oh btw paypal takes a day
08:11 <Lucifer> I'll think about what to do after that
08:12 <GodTodd> yeah...it's important to get all set up before doing too much thinking
08:12 <Acromatic> and costs $3.. per hundred at least
08:12 <Lucifer> so, 3%?
08:12 <Acromatic> not sure
08:12 <GodTodd> haha
08:12 <Acromatic> I transfered $100 once and it took $3
08:12 <Lucifer> the transfer is free from my paypal to my checking, it's the transfer from GodTodd to me that costed money, iirc
08:12 <Acromatic> dunno if it's percentage or just flat rate
08:13 <Lucifer> it's a percentage, or else they wouldn't make any money off all the $20 ebay bids :)
08:13 <Acromatic> good point yeah I assumed as much
08:13 <Acromatic> but just because it was $3 doesn't nessesarily mean it's exactly 3%
08:13 <Lucifer> I'm a go grab a smoke, then I need to setup my alarm clock
08:14 <Lucifer> make my bed, etc
08:14 <Lucifer> thanks again GodTodd (hi there!) , hopefully this'll get me through this little rough spot
08:14 <Acromatic> could be 2.5% rounded up or something
08:14 <Acromatic> that'd seem more realistic
08:14 <GodTodd> Lucifer, np at all :)
08:15 <GodTodd> why would they round $2.50 up to $3?
08:22 <Acromatic> they wouldn't
08:22 <Acromatic> they'd round 2.5% up to three for transactions less then a certain amount
08:22 <Acromatic> so they clip smaller quantities for more profit
08:23 <Acromatic> common actually
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08:31 <GodTodd> it actually depends on how the receiving account is set up
08:40 <Lucifer> heya z-man (hi there!)
08:40  * z-man hides
08:41  * Lucifer fires a smoke bomb
08:42  * z-man puts on gas mask and hides even better
08:42  * Lucifer puts a light cycle in a box propped up by a stick
08:43 <z-man> oooh!
08:43 <z-man> that's fighting dirty.
08:43  * Lucifer smiles
08:43 <Lucifer> ok, I'm going to find my corker
08:45 <Lucifer> yay, I found it
08:46  * Lucifer needs to take inventory of the things he needs and post to freecycle for it
08:48 <Lucifer> holy crap, these bottles have crap in the bottom
08:48 <Lucifer> clearly the wine wasn't as clear as I thought it was when I bottled it
08:48 <Lucifer> I'm gonna have to decide if it's worth trying to save now, because I can't leave them bottled like that
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12:42 <epsy> z-man-work, if we change the 1st network layer to what you recently suggested on the forums..will that mean we would break compatibility ?
12:44 <z-man-work> Well, no. Just like now, client and server can negotiate the protocol they're going to use. As long as we keep the old code around, there's no compatibility breakage.
12:45 <epsy> hmm
12:48 <epsy> so that's no opporunity to break more stuff :P
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17:42 <Magnie> ivan you on?
17:42 <epsy> ivantis,
17:42 <epsy> try pressing <tab>
17:42 <Magnie> ivan for short
17:42 <epsy> ivantis does not get alerted when you type ivan
17:43 <Magnie> o
17:43 <Magnie> ivantis you on?
17:43 <epsy> and well, he's set on away
17:43 <Magnie> guess not
17:43 <epsy> so it's likely he's not here
17:43 <Magnie> wana go on arma?
17:43 <epsy> not now no
17:43 <Magnie> k
17:44 <Magnie> ima be on i have alot of names
17:44 <epsy> @sd names
17:44 <Magnie> if you want to see me ill ether be on ctf
17:44 <teabot> epsy: "<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_connect() [<a href='function.mysql-connect'>function.mysql-connect</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>2</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_select_db() [<a href='function.mysql-select-db'>function.mysql-select-db</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>3</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>: (2 more messages)
17:44 <epsy> gah
17:44 <Magnie> ?
17:44 <Magnie> what happened?
17:44 <epsy> @sd normally shows the players who are inside a server
17:45 <Magnie> @sd
17:45 <teabot> Magnie: "<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_connect() [<a href='function.mysql-connect'>function.mysql-connect</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>2</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_select_db() [<a href='function.mysql-select-db'>function.mysql-select-db</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>3</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>: (1 more message)
17:45 <Magnie> ...
17:45 <epsy> ..but it's b0rked
17:45 <Magnie> ok
17:45 <Magnie> ima go to Wild West CTF
17:45 <Magnie> bb
17:45 <epsy> hf
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17:50 <hoop> @sd
17:50 <teabot> hoop: "<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_connect() [<a href='function.mysql-connect'>function.mysql-connect</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>2</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>:  mysql_select_db() [<a href='function.mysql-select-db'>function.mysql-select-db</a>]: Too many connections in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>3</b><br />\n<br />\n<b>Warning</b>: (1 more message)
17:50 <hoop> @more
17:50 <teabot> hoop: mysql_select_db() [<a href='function.mysql-select-db'>function.mysql-select-db</a>]: A link to the server could not be established in <b>/www2/serverlist/connect.php</b> on line <b>3</b><br />\nUsage: #serverdetails [-v] {name}"
17:50 <hoop> @more
17:50 <teabot> hoop: Error: That's all, there is no more.
17:50 <ct|kyle> down again
17:50 <hoop> suxorz!
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18:06 <teabot> vectroncommits: [beta] r5 fixed issues with invalid pointer to layer causing seg fault...
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20:33 <noob13> #seen noob7
20:34 <armabot> noob13: noob7 was last seen in #armagetron 18 weeks, 3 days, 21 hours, 47 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <noob7> why? I dont get the fuss really...
20:35 <noob13> wow, thats a long time!
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20:54 <luke-jr> noobs
20:55 <rogue> sboon
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20:59 <noob13> noobs have more fun! 8D
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23:31 <Darth_Gimp> luke-jr you there?
23:32 <luke-jr> #armalukechat
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23:36 <ivantis> hey peeps
23:40 <ivantis> more like #armanoobchat
23:40 <ivantis> for you
23:41  * epsy 's vote on +b ivantis is still active
23:41 <ivantis> not enough possible voters, ignoring request
23:42 <epsy> i'm not starting a poll, the poll is still active
23:50 <hoop> +b?
23:50 <ivantis> +b = banned
23:51 <hoop> ooh, how do i vote?
23:51 <epsy> bannted
23:51 <epsy> /me votes for poll +b ivantis
23:51 <epsy> like that
23:51 <hoop> lol, no automated polling system?
23:51 <hoop> ivantis, what you thinkabout that?
23:52 <epsy> second, let me find a damn stupid supybot plugin
23:52 <epsy> @load Poll
23:52 <teabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
23:52 <ivantis> @poll -b ivantis
23:52 <ivantis> oh yeah, im still ignored
23:52 <hoop> yea, I think ivantis deserves an automated poll
23:53 <epsy> @poll open +b ivantis?
23:53 <teabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.  (poll #1 added)
23:53 <epsy> @poll add 1 Yes
23:53 <teabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
23:53 <epsy> @poll add 1 No
23:53 <teabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
23:53 <epsy> @vote 1 1
23:53 <teabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
23:53 <epsy> @poll 1
23:53 <teabot> epsy: Poll #1: "+b ivantis?" started by epsy. Options: #1: "Yes"; #2: "No".  Poll is open.
23:54 <epsy> @results 1
23:54 <teabot> epsy: Results for poll #1: "+b ivantis?" by epsy - "Yes": 1 and "No": 0
23:54 <ivantis> will you unignore me from teabot so i can vote?
23:54 <epsy> no
23:54 <epsy> vote cencoring ftw!
23:54 <epsy> whoops
23:54 <epsy> censoring!
23:54 <hoop> is the poll public?
23:54 <epsy> yes
23:54 <epsy> <epsy> @vote 1 1
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23:54 <epsy> == yes
23:54 <pavelo> how about a third option: silence
23:55 <epsy> the channel aint moderatored
23:55 <ivantis2> @vote 1 2
23:55 <epsy> ivantis2, fail
23:55 -!- ivantis2 is now known as sdhjk32lksd
23:55 <hoop> lol
23:55 <sdhjk32lksd> @vote 1 2
23:55 <sdhjk32lksd> you suck
23:55 <epsy> sdhjk32lksd, fail
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23:56 <hoop> autoban?
23:56 <epsy> /login-spamkick!
23:56 <hoop> orly?
23:56 -!- ivantis_ [n=ivantis@63-245-159-78.kitusa.com] has joined #armagetron
23:56 -!- ivantis_ is now known as jfksdljk3l2
23:56 <jfksdljk3l2> @vote 1 2
23:56 <teabot> jfksdljk3l2: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
23:56 <epsy> pwnntntntntnt
23:56 <jfksdljk3l2> you suck
23:56 -!- jfksdljk3l2 [n=ivantis@63-245-159-78.kitusa.com] has quit [Client Quit]
23:56 <ivantis> man
23:57 <epsy> @admin ignore add *!*@*.kitusa.com
23:57 <teabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
23:57  * ivantis got his ubuntu server edition install CD in the mail today
23:57 <ivantis> im gonna install it sometime soon
23:58 <epsy> i hope for you it's the human server edition
23:58 <ivantis> Ubuntu 8.04.1 LTS Server Edition
23:58 <ivantis> luke-jr better prepare for a world of question-asking
23:59 <epsy> hoop, fast, register and vote!
23:59 <epsy> we need guru3's wordcensors on irc :(

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