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Log from 2008-08-26:
--- Day changed Tue Aug 26 2008
00:01 -!- Valathar [i=nat32@] has joined #armagetron
00:01 <Valathar> @cfg2 flag
00:01 <Valathar> .cfg2 flag
00:02 <tronner> Valathar: FLAG_BLINK_END: flag_blink_end_help || FLAG_BLINK_ESTIMATE_POSITION: flag_blink_estimate_position_help || FLAG_BLINK_ON_TIME: flag_blink_on_time_help || FLAG_BLINK_START: flag_blink_start_help || FLAG_BLINK_TIME: flag_blink_time_help || FLAG_BLINK_TRACK_TIME: flag_blink_track_time_help || FLAG_CHAT_BLINK_TIME: flag_chat_blink_time_help || FLAG_COLOR_B: flag_color_b_help || FLAG_COLOR_G: (2 more messages)
00:02 <Valathar> .more
00:02 <tronner> Valathar: flag_color_g_help || FLAG_COLOR_R: flag_color_r_help || FLAG_DROP_HOME: flag_drop_home_help || FLAG_DROP_TIME: flag_drop_time_help || FLAG_HOLD_SCORE: flag_hold_score_help || FLAG_HOLD_SCORE_TIME: flag_hold_score_time_help || FLAG_HOLD_TIME: flag_hold_time_help || FLAG_HOME_RANDOMNESS_X: flag_home_randomness_x_help || FLAG_HOME_RANDOMNESS_Y: flag_home_randomness_y_help || (1 more message)
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00:06 <Valathar> .more
00:06 <tronner> Valathar: FLAG_REQUIRED_HOME: flag_required_home_help || FLAG_TEAM: flag_team_help || SCORE_FLAG: score_flag_help
00:26 <Valathar> .cfg2 color
00:26 <tronner> Valathar: ALLOW_TEAM_NAME_COLOR: Allow a team to be named after a color || BUG_COLOR_OVERFLOW: Allows the player's colors to overflow and wrap around for the cycle, allowing different colors for cycle and trail. || COLORDEPTH: Color depth to use (0: 16 1: desktop 2: 24) || COLOR_STRINGS: Print colored strings || FILTER_COLOR_NAMES: Filter color codes from player names. || FILTER_COLOR_SERVER_NAMES: Filter (2 more messages)
00:26 <Valathar> .more
00:26 <tronner> Valathar: color codes from server names in the server browser. || FILTER_COLOR_STRINGS: Filter color codes from strings coming in over the network. || FILTER_COLOR_TEAM: Filter color codes from /team messages. || FILTER_DARK_COLOR_NAMES: Filter dark color codes from player names. || FILTER_DARK_COLOR_SERVER_NAMES: Filter dark color codes from server names in the server browser. || (1 more message)
00:26 <Valathar> .more
00:26 <tronner> Valathar: FILTER_DARK_COLOR_STRINGS: Filter dark color codes from strings coming in over the network. || FILTER_DARK_COLOR_TEAM: Filter dark color codes from /team messages. || FLAG_COLOR_B: flag_color_b_help || FLAG_COLOR_G: flag_color_g_help || FLAG_COLOR_R: flag_color_r_help || LAST_COLORDEPTH: Color depth, last successful init || PLAYER_RANDOM_COLOR: player_random_color_help
00:32 <Monkey_arma> Valathar If you PM tronner you can do those commands there (you don't need to put the initial '.' if you do commands in PM).
00:32 <Monkey_arma> Try PMing tronner and saying "cfg2 flag"
00:33 <epsy> i was gonna say that, but since the main point in this is for not spamming chatlogs..
00:33 <epsy> (and that we have no chatlogs currently)
00:33 <Monkey_arma> Well it spams the channel
00:33 <epsy> nobody is talking anyway
00:33 <Monkey_arma> its better to PM for large output...small output fuck it, do here
00:34 <epsy> so who cares
00:34 <Monkey_arma> It's more crap to go through when you get back to your computer
00:34 <Monkey_arma> I care
00:34 <Monkey_arma> and others too im sure
00:34 <Monkey_arma> keep your opinions to yourself
00:34 <Monkey_arma> We already discussed this with ivantis when Maz told him to not PM armaot
00:34 <epsy> \o/
00:34 <Monkey_arma> er to PM
00:36 <epsy> btw, you seem to be the one to be the most opposed to have a single player campain
00:36 <epsy> are you against a sp campaing or just against having a storyline behind it?
00:37 <Monkey_arma> Progress in arma is so slow. Any time spend coding/designing should be on multiplayer gameplay
00:37 <Monkey_arma> Maybe one day, in about 10 years when we can add a campaign
00:38 <Monkey_arma> hmm I speak english like a retard
00:39 <epsy> who said zonesV2 would come in years?
00:39 <epsy> it's ready
00:39 <luke-jr> it is?
00:39 <luke-jr> last time I checked it was unusable on the internet
00:39 <epsy> i heard ph fixed it
00:39 <luke-jr> I thought that was just backward compat with zonesv1
00:40 <epsy> there hasn't been much interest in that, since none cares about hosting a server hosting ZV2 maps
00:40 <Valathar> ty Monkey_arma ill remember that
00:40 <luke-jr> I don't think it's possible yet.
00:41 <epsy> Monkey_arma, things can go really fast and can go really slow too in arma
00:42 <epsy> Monkey_arma, think about the fuzz after auth was done, and compare it to now
00:42 <epsy> it can take 10 years as well as it can take 4 months
00:42 <Monkey_arma> Valathar no problem, I was not being rude or anything...it's just lots of people who come here dont know
00:43 <Monkey_arma> epsy I will link you a thread that shows you how slow arma is
00:47 <epsy> erm, when?
00:48 <luke-jr> lol
00:48 <luke-jr> Arma grows in spurts, IMO
00:49 <luke-jr> maybe because we get into too much talk/planning and little action
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01:04 <Monkey_arma> Im just reading a thread with this "pirate" guy lol
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01:07 <Monkey_arma> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=1707&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=assembler&start=0&sid=e7133a2e57359f1160384891a4f15837
01:07 <Monkey_arma> heh
01:08 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: i forget what way i voted on that one
01:08 <Monkey_arma> I would have said 'both' or 'medium'
01:12 <luke-jr> wtf
01:12 <luke-jr> C is about as low-level as you can reasonably get
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01:13 <epsy> lol
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01:14 <epsy> wireddd, that's some really high-level code you got there!
01:15 <wireddd> what?
01:19 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr Assembler is also known as assembly language. It's a language (or multiple languages) even if each is specific to the hardware.
01:20 <Monkey_arma> so C is higher than assembler but lower than OO langs.
01:20 <Monkey_arma> So i say medium
01:20 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: I said *reasonably*
01:20 <epsy> i wouldn't really consider assemly language
01:20 <luke-jr> writing applications in asm is not reasonable
01:20 <wireddd> sure it is
01:21 <Monkey_arma> Assembly languages are languages
01:21 <Monkey_arma> its not 'a' language becuase there are many types...each for one hardware
01:21 <luke-jr> applications should be portable
01:21 <luke-jr> asm is not portable
01:21 <Monkey_arma> yes i agree
01:21 <Monkey_arma> but it does not alter the fact
01:21 <luke-jr> it is unreasonable, therefore, to write an application in asm
01:21 <Monkey_arma> being low level means hardware specific
01:21 <wireddd> asm is somewhat portable, machine code is not
01:21 <epsy> Monkey_arma, would you go write a program in asm then report back
01:21 <luke-jr> therefore, C is the lowest reasonable level of application languages
01:22 <Monkey_arma> I dont care about writing in asm
01:22 <epsy> the matter of making a hello world program
01:22 <Monkey_arma> im stating a fact that its a language
01:22 <luke-jr> being low level means minimal abstraction
01:22 <Monkey_arma> mimimal abstraction is hardware specific
01:22 <wireddd> c is a high level language
01:22 <Monkey_arma> how can you get less minimal?
01:22 <luke-jr> C is abstracted only enough to provide portability
01:22 <Monkey_arma> no i think its slightly more than that
01:23 <luke-jr> like what
01:23 <luke-jr> well, there is the standard library…
01:23 <luke-jr> but you could ignore that
01:23 <luke-jr> and it is somewhat required for that portability requirement
01:24 <Monkey_arma> on the whole, "luke-jr> C is abstracted only enough to provide portability" is pretty close to the truth
01:24 <Monkey_arma> im not sure how low level "malloc" is
01:24 <wireddd> C is not low level at all
01:24 <Monkey_arma> hehe
01:25 <Monkey_arma> welcome to the debate
01:25 <luke-jr> malloc just asks the kernel for some memory
01:25 <epsy> luke-jr, while in many programs you have tons of stuff which handle memory for you
01:25 <epsy> best example being PHP
01:25 <Monkey_arma> wireddd http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=1707&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=assembler&start=0&sid=e7133a2e57359f1160384891a4f15837
01:25 <luke-jr> epsy: ?
01:25 <epsy> s/programs/languages/
01:25 <Monkey_arma> So i say C is a medium level...who can argue with that?
01:25 <luke-jr> epsy: that supports C being low-level
01:26 <epsy> yes
01:26 <epsy> i'm only considering languages i would ever code in
01:26 <Monkey_arma> but thats not the question
01:26 <epsy> since i wouldn't ever code in ASM, C is the next option
01:27 <Monkey_arma> if it was "is C a low level language of all the languages epsy would code with"
01:27 <luke-jr> I say f u to Monkey_arma and declare C low level. Who agrees?
01:27 <epsy> and what's right next to ASM, is low-level
01:27 <epsy> luke-jr, agreed :p
01:27 <epsy> Monkey_arma, epsy, or anybody that ain't just insane
01:28 <wireddd> C can be used to write things at the asm level, but that is not what it is designed for
01:28 <Monkey_arma> I was just about to point out that C has inline assembler
01:28 <Monkey_arma> you beat me to it
01:28 <luke-jr> wireddd: inline asm is not standards compliant
01:29 <epsy> here we go, C dialects
01:29 <wireddd> I know
01:29 <epsy> luke-jr, we'd better keep on -fpermissive for now :P
01:29 <luke-jr> no!
01:29 <luke-jr> --std=c99
01:30 <wireddd> C is a high level language, there is no debate about that
01:30 <Monkey_arma> hehe
01:30 <wireddd> it isn't direct machine code
01:30 <wireddd> so it is not a low level language
01:31 <Monkey_arma> it depends on the definition of high level
01:31 <Monkey_arma> that is what i was going on
01:31 <epsy> python is a supermegaskybutterflyhigh-level language then
01:31 <wireddd> unless you are making up your own definition of what a high level language is
01:31 <luke-jr> wireddd: we already concluded C is low level
01:31 <luke-jr> play again next year
01:31 <wireddd> well then you are wrong
01:31 <Monkey_arma> but i would put non machine code langs into medium or high catagories
01:31 <wireddd> these things are specifically defined
01:31 <wireddd> there is high level and low level
01:32 <wireddd> low level is as close as you can get to machine code
01:32 <epsy> without being stupid..?
01:32 <luke-jr> so you would say that asm isn't low-level?
01:32 <wireddd> if you have to use a compiler it is high level
01:32 <luke-jr> the difference between assembly and compiler is non-existent
01:33 <epsy> assembler code needs building in order to run
01:33 <epsy> assembler is highlever \o/
01:33 <wireddd> assembly is a high level language as well
01:33 <epsy> gotta quote that
01:33 <wireddd> about as low as you can get though
01:34 <epsy> @quote add <wireddd> assembly is a high level language as well
01:34 <teabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.  Quote #4 added.
01:34 <luke-jr> C is as low as you can reasonably get
01:34 <wireddd> no it isn't
01:34 <wireddd> machine code is
01:34 <luke-jr> yes it is
01:34 <luke-jr> machine code isn't reasonable
01:34 <wireddd> sure it is
01:34 <epsy> wireddd, go reasonably write machine code
01:34 <wireddd> been there done that
01:34 <luke-jr> wireddd: please write an app in machine code that will run on all my systems
01:34 <epsy> make it print hello world to stdout
01:35 <wireddd> luke-jr: that isn't the point of machine code
01:35 <luke-jr> epsy: that owuld be difficult
01:35 <luke-jr> wireddd: the app needs only allocate a string on the stack
01:35 <epsy> and thus not reasonable
01:35 <luke-jr> but it must run on all my systems
01:36 <luke-jr> this includes at least x86_32, x86_64, MIPS, ARM, and PowerPC
01:36 <wireddd> compile one C program that will do the same
01:36 <luke-jr> sure
01:36 <luke-jr> easily
01:36 <wireddd> ok
01:36 <wireddd> i'll wait for the single binary
01:36 <wireddd> ...
01:37 <Monkey_arma> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C--
01:37 <Monkey_arma> is THAT high or low level ;)
01:37 <wireddd> pretty much all languages are high level
01:38 <wireddd> asm is kinda grey area because compiling it is so simple
01:38 <Monkey_arma> <wireddd> assembly is a high level language as well
01:38 <Monkey_arma> nooooooooooooooooo
01:38 <wireddd> I mean asm is basically just a few find and replaces away from machine code
01:39 <Monkey_arma> assembly is definitely a low level language
01:39 <Monkey_arma> it represents machine instructions
01:39 <luke-jr> int main() { char *s = "Hello World"; }
01:39 <Monkey_arma> there is no abstraction, just clarity for humans
01:39 <luke-jr> there it is wireddd!
01:39 <wireddd> that doesn't execute
01:39 <luke-jr> wireddd: it does once you compile it
01:39 <epsy> don't forget -fpermissive :))
01:40 <luke-jr> gcc a.c -O0 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-pic -nostdlib -e main
01:40 <luke-jr> it will compile and run on any machine
01:40 <wireddd> ok, so which system can I compile that on that will produce a program that will run on all of my archs
01:42 <epsy> dude, the solution to all your problems is JAVA!
01:42 <luke-jr> wireddd: that is out of the scope
01:42 <wireddd> not at all
01:42 <luke-jr> the scope is C
01:42 <luke-jr> that C application will run on any system
01:42 <wireddd> C doesn't run on anything
01:43 <wireddd> compiled C does, therefor it is high level
01:43 <epsy> wireddd, there is no such thing as "compiled C"
01:43 <wireddd> ok, so what would you call your binary
01:43 <luke-jr> wireddd: that application is C; that application runs on any system; therefore, it is a C application that runs on any system
01:43 <epsy> machine code
01:44 <wireddd> right, so it is not C any more
01:44 <Monkey_arma> so basically wireddd is saying "low-level" = machine code
01:44 <epsy> nope
01:44 <wireddd> then it is high level
01:44 <Monkey_arma> what is the point of the phrase low level? why not just machine code?
01:44 <wireddd> it means pretty much the same thing
01:44 <luke-jr> http://pastebin.com/m7dc3c048  http://pastebin.com/m36639a9f  http://pastebin.com/m26cf6ecb
01:45 <luke-jr> guess what wireddd
01:45 <Monkey_arma> low level is a catagory, it would have been invented to hole more than one item in it
01:45 <luke-jr> machine code doesn't run natively either anymore
01:45 <luke-jr> it gets converted to some proprietary RISC bytecode on the fly now
01:45 <wireddd> there are thousands of different types of machine code
01:45 <luke-jr> ok, x86 in particular then
01:45 <Monkey_arma> yes for each hardware
01:45 <luke-jr> I guess x86_64 is not low level
01:46 <luke-jr> x86_64 is high level language
01:46 <wireddd> it is low level, the processor just translates form of machine code into another internally
01:46 <luke-jr> not only is x86_64 a high level language, Java bytecode is a low level language!
01:47 <luke-jr> guess what
01:47 <wireddd> translates one form of
01:47 <luke-jr> a compiler just translates from one language © into another (asm)
01:47 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr he is saying if you must compile it then it is high level
01:47 <luke-jr> and then the assembler just translates asm into machine code
01:47 <epsy> luke-jr, php and python too! they don't need you to compile them if you want to run them!
01:47 <luke-jr> epsy: …
01:48 <luke-jr> epsy: they don't run directly on hardware
01:48 <luke-jr> Java runs directly on hardware
01:48 <epsy> using wireddd's definition, php and python ARE low-level, since they do not need a compile
01:48 <luke-jr> http://ti.tuwien.ac.at/rts/teaching/lastsemester/jvmhw
01:48 <wireddd> luke-jr: when you make a processor that can directly execute C code I will concede that it is low level
01:48 <wireddd> epsy php and python are interpreted
01:48 <luke-jr> wireddd: I just linked info on a processor that can directly execute Java VM code
01:49 <wireddd> and what does vm stand for
01:49 <luke-jr> irrelevant, the CPU executes it in hardware
01:50 <wireddd> not at all
01:50 <luke-jr> yes it does
01:50 <wireddd> VM stands for: virtual machine
01:50 <wireddd> if you actually build it
01:50 <luke-jr> indeed, that language was originally designed for a VM
01:50 <luke-jr> but it now runs directly on a CPU
01:50 <wireddd> the only difference is that it isn't virtual anymore
01:50 <epsy> you will get something that runs in their VM and on the processor luke linked
01:50 <wireddd> you still have to compile java
01:51 <epsy> we're talking about java bytecode, not java
01:51 <epsy> since we're now making the difference
01:51 <wireddd> java bytecode is a low level language
01:51 <luke-jr> wireddd: do you admit to classifying x86_64 machine code as a high level language
01:52 <luke-jr> since there is not hardware anywhere that will execute it directly?
01:52 <wireddd> no, because you could build a processor that directly executes it
01:52 <luke-jr> you could build a processor that directly executes C if you wanted to
01:52 <epsy> one could build a crazy processor that does C too
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01:52 <wireddd> nope
01:52 <luke-jr> yep
01:53 <luke-jr> it would just need to do some funky stuff to cache symbol definitions
01:53 <luke-jr> and would probably be immensely inefficient
01:54 <wireddd> you would still be missing the whole point of the low/high language debate and that is abstraction
01:54 <luke-jr> ok, now you admit the real meaning of high/low
01:54 <luke-jr> ☺
01:54 <epsy> wireddd, you are missing the point of low-level/high-level languages
01:55 <wireddd> I never didn't admit it
01:55 <wireddd> C is very abstract
01:55 <epsy> put that into low level english please
01:55 <luke-jr> earlier you were arguing that "low level" inherently meant it's executed by metal
01:55 <epsy> double negations are high-level english :D
01:55 <luke-jr> C is the minimum abstraction for portable code
01:56 <luke-jr> epsy: actually, double negations are invalid English and only work with -fpermissive ☺
01:56 <epsy> :P
01:57 <BabyBug> Is there a cleaner way to send text to a detached screen rather than using eval stuff?
01:57 <BabyBug> Just to change the topic.
01:57 <BabyBug> ^^
01:58 <epsy> Caution: we might be nitpicking on the point of sending test to a detached screen session :D
01:58 <luke-jr> BabyBug: sounds ugly
01:58 <epsy> :D:D:D
01:59 <BabyBug> Piping the output of armagetron to a script. Rather than piping the output of the log. That way everything gets interpreted instantly. From what i've found anyway.
01:59 <luke-jr> maybe I should rewrite my services thing as part of Arma
01:59 <BabyBug> I've got a working way of sending text to a detached screener. Was just wondering if there's a cleaner way.
01:59 <luke-jr> BabyBug: I connect Arma's stdout to my script's stdin <.<
01:59 <luke-jr> and vice-versa
01:59 <epsy> piping text directly into arma's stdin?
01:59 <luke-jr> with a buffer in between so they can't deadlock
02:00 <BabyBug> But then if your script prints out a command,. that doesn't get piped into arma's stdin does it?
02:00 <BabyBug> Or it doesn't with me.
02:00 <epsy> if it outputs on stdin it would be sent to arma
02:00 <luke-jr> BabyBug: it does with my hosting ☺
02:00 <epsy> use stderr to your cenvenience here :)
02:01 <luke-jr> epsy: stdin isn't an output, idiot
02:01 <wireddd> english has no reasonable rules any more
02:01 <epsy> luke-jr, on arma's stdin :)
02:01 <epsy> well ok that wont make anymore sense
02:01 <epsy> s/stdin/stdout/
02:01 <luke-jr> lol
02:01 <luke-jr> no no epsy
02:02 <luke-jr> s/(?<=std)in/out/
02:02 <luke-jr> ☺
02:02 <epsy> ?<= ?
02:02 <BabyBug> And that's my Q to back out of the conversation again i think O.o
02:02 <epsy> that PCRE?
02:04 <epsy> BabyBug, inotail -fn1 /some/file/where/you/output/commands.to | arma | parser script > /some/file/where/you/output/commands.to
02:04 <epsy> there's probably a cleaner way with named pipes, but i've never tickled that stuff
02:04 <BabyBug> inotail?
02:04 <epsy> tail using inotify
02:04 <epsy> better efficiency
02:04 <luke-jr> epsy: no, not PCRE; Perl
02:04 <BabyBug> Ah ok =)
02:05 <wireddd> why don't you just add whatever it is into arma?
02:05 <epsy> wireddd, because it requires recompiling, except if he modifies the machine code
02:05 <epsy> hence what are modules for
02:05 <wireddd> so recompile it
02:05 <BabyBug> she* and not everyone is that clever ;)
02:06 <epsy> wireddd, and to restart the server, etc
02:06 <epsy> BabyBug, sorry :)
02:06 <luke-jr> BabyBug: wtf, we have a female in here?
02:06 <wireddd> yeah, or add in a decent scripting language
02:06 <epsy> two
02:06 <BabyBug> :o shock horror !!
02:06 <BabyBug> =P
02:06 <epsy> wireddd, there is support for ruby i heard
02:06  * wireddd suggest lua
02:06 <epsy> but it does nothing
02:06  * luke-jr suggest bash
02:06  * epsy suggests C++
02:07 <luke-jr> pfft
02:07 <luke-jr> C++ is too low-level to have good script interaction IMO
02:07 <luke-jr> best to provide a stdio API like is getting popular
02:07 <epsy> the only interpreted i know how to do clean code with is PHP blah
02:07 <epsy> luke-jr, it's easy to implement, that's it
02:07 <wireddd> lua is pretty easy
02:07 <BabyBug> Python <3
02:07 <epsy> java </3
02:08 <epsy> wireddd, best would be to have multiple scripting engines, but i don't know how well that would stick together
02:08 <wireddd> no, best to just pick a good one and go with it
02:08 <luke-jr> ♡ Perl
02:09 <luke-jr> every language can use a stdio API
02:09 <BabyBug> Someone loves ascii too much.
02:09 <wireddd> lua has really easy to use interpreter
02:09 <luke-jr> BabyBug: ASCII is fail
02:09 <epsy> BabyBug, no luke-jr is doped on UTF-8
02:09 <luke-jr> ASCII doesn't have stuff like ♡, ☒, ☆ etc
02:09 <luke-jr> heck, it doesn't even have ☠ or ☢
02:10 <BabyBug> You knew what i meant =.= sheeeesh!
02:10 <wireddd> UTF-32!
02:10 <epsy> wireddd, except that the only things i can really do, is C++ and PHP, so for a start, that will be C++ for me
02:10 <epsy> oh heresy
02:11 <epsy> UTF-8..too high-level
02:11 <epsy> needs parsing!!
02:12 <wireddd> I like php as well, I wrote an irc bot in it
02:12 <epsy> i wrote two arma logparsers with it Oo
02:13 <luke-jr> epsy wrote an Armagetron service in it
02:13 <luke-jr> PHP eats memory tho :x
02:13 <epsy> wasn't really complete
02:13 <epsy> and php hangs all the time, too X_x
02:13 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: btw, 0.3 does add automatic map rotation on the server side
02:14 <epsy> that code was, at my idea, perfect to be moved to its own modules/script/butterfly
02:14 <PinkTomato> 0.3 has map rotation, I used it till I switched to PHP script
02:14 <epsy> and it needs better integration, like for voting maps and so forth
02:15 -!- wireddd is now known as wire
02:15 <luke-jr> epsy: I might help with a Perl service bot
02:15 <luke-jr> but PHP has too much overhead
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02:15 <wire> that would be my irc bot
02:15 <wire> which is only about half finished
02:15 <epsy> KoR, help
02:16 <epsy> KoR, pizza
02:16 <KoR> 42 large pepperoni pizzas have been ordered for delivery to epsy (you are paying with cash right?)
02:16 <epsy> KoR, part
02:16 <epsy> :P
02:16 <luke-jr> KoR: die
02:16 <luke-jr> KoR: kick wire
02:16 <epsy> KoR, ts
02:16 <KoR> People in Lobby: Darkclaw
02:16 <epsy> KoR, servers
02:16 <KoR> AAA Knights of Reason.org is on tremor (2/22)
02:16 <KoR> AAA |KoR| Layouts is on atcs (9/22)
02:16 <KoR> AAA |KoR| Scrim Server is on atcs (0/16)
02:16 <KoR> AAA |KoR| TremX is on thermal (22/22)
02:16 <KoR> Most Wanted Clan Server is on niveus (0/22)
02:17 <epsy> oh, so that's the KoR i was thinking of
02:17 <epsy> KoR, help servers
02:17 <epsy> ;\
02:17 <wire> help isn't finished :P
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02:18 <wire> $brain
02:18 <KoR> I know 834 factoids. I have memorized 102 trivia questions. I understand 24 commands. I remember seeing 29 different people
02:18 <epsy> does it include qstat or it's fetched from somewhere?
02:18 <wire> I wrote my own connect code
02:19 <epsy> ah right
02:19 <wire> just opens a udp connection and gets the info from the server
02:19 <wire> that part is easy, it is a pain to parse though
02:19 <epsy> that's what qstat does, lol
02:19 <wire> yeah
02:20 <epsy> KoR, servers layouts
02:20 <KoR> AAA Knights of Reason.org is on atcs (4/22)
02:20 <KoR> AAA |KoR| Layouts is on atcs (9/22)
02:20 <KoR> AAA |KoR| Scrim Server is on atcs (0/16)
02:20 <KoR> AAA |KoR| TremX is on thermal (23/22)
02:20 <KoR> Most Wanted Clan Server is on niveus (0/22)
02:20 <epsy> does it prevent itself from spamming?
02:20 <wire> servers doesn't take any arguments
02:21 <epsy> is there a way i can ask for players?
02:21 <epsy> KoR, ping layouts
02:21 <KoR> pong
02:21 <wire> $find epsy
02:21 <KoR> wire: No Players Found.
02:21 <epsy> i mean players in a server
02:22 <wire> not yet, I could add one really quick
02:22 <epsy> well, i could just also fire up xqf lol
02:22 <wire> listing out all of the players would spam to much though
02:22  * luke-jr spams wire
02:23 <epsy> wire, heh yeah it's not like arma :P
02:23 <wire> tremx could have 64 people on it
02:23 <wire> if the server was full and then the entire clan joined
02:23 <epsy> i HATE tremX
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02:24 <wire> really? why
02:24 <epsy> the disease thingy, i don't know how you call it, most players call it AIDS
02:24 <wire> yeah, the biokit prevents that now
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02:25 <wire> tremx is still a work in progress
02:25 <BlueEight> I fidn that lame >_>
02:25 <BlueEight> find*
02:25 <BlueEight> Just promotes more camping :/
02:25 <BlueEight> afk
02:25 <epsy> wasnt mean to actually i guess :P
02:26 <wire> yeah, I don't know what the best way to deal with camping is
02:26 <epsy> wire, http://epsy.teamkilled.net:8080/~epsy/screenshots/trem/shot0215.jpg :D
02:26 <epsy> wire, that dominating thingy could work, just lacks players
02:27 <wire> I don't find that fun
02:27 <epsy> yeah, it doesnt fit the tremulous theme at all
02:27 <epsy> but makes'em move
02:27 <wire> I think I will just make kills made in your own base not count as stage kills
02:28 <epsy> how would you diff. an outpost(=good!) from a base?
02:28 <wire> powered by the reactor and not by a repeater
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02:29 <epsy> some places really near the base aren't powered
02:29 <wire> yeah, but most of the camp kills come from humans standing on turrets
02:30 <BlueEight> "wire: I think I will just make kills made in your own base not count as stage kills"
02:30 <BlueEight> That would make humans lose most of the time
02:30 <wire> i'll do the same to aliens
02:30 <Valathar> okay i have a howto question im wanting to change my existing ctf config to be single flag ctf and put a single flag in the middle of the arena where do i find the flag location settings are they cfg or map
02:30 <wire> right now humans usually win in tremx
02:30 <Monkey_arma> Valathar are you damein????
02:30 <Valathar> i am
02:31 <Monkey_arma> oh hi
02:31 <epsy> Valathar, i think there was an example config for it
02:31 <Monkey_arma> <-- Monkey (obviously)_
02:31 <Valathar> i figured out howto make the flag colourless and universal
02:31 <Valathar> but looking over the configs for both htf and ctf i assume the map is where the position data is stored
02:31 <epsy> the position of the flag depends on map
02:32 <Valathar> okay so i would have to do a custom map thats what i thought
02:32 <epsy> @dns beta.armagetronad.net
02:32 <teabot> epsy:
02:33 <Valathar> and hi Monkey i assumed it was you when you asked if i was Damein
02:36 <epsy> http://epsy46.free.fr/resource/Your_mom/clever/ctfsty-0.0.2-1flag.aamap.xml
02:38 <Valathar> ty epsy that saves a ton of time
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02:40 <epsy> Valathar, you can use the whole repo if you like
02:40 <epsy> trough i plan on moving what's there to xclan.armagetron.co.uk/resource/
02:41 <epsy> but what's there now will stay there
02:41 <Valathar> ok
02:41 <Valathar> whoever maintains the bzr sty versions should update the example config for 1flag ctf to use the right map
02:42 <Valathar> becouse in the example they define the default ctf map
02:43 <epsy> i will check
02:43 <epsy> for now, good night
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02:50 <Monkey_arma> Valathar make sure they update that config...I am a strong believer in keeping things updated.
02:54 <Valathar> hmm i cant seem to load this map
02:55 <Valathar> MAP_FILE Your_mom/clever/ctfsty-0.0.2-1flag.aamap.xml (http://epsy46.free.fr/resource/Your_mom/clever/ctfsty-0.0.2-1flag.aamap.xml)
02:55 <Valathar> is that syntax correct?
02:55 <luke-jr> no
02:56 <luke-jr> you fail at life
02:56 <luke-jr> better get a soldering iron and bore it through your eye and head
02:56 <luke-jr> <.<
02:56 <Valathar> >.>
02:56 <Valathar> mind giving me the correct syntax the wiki syntax givens a bit hard to get
02:57 <Valathar> "[./][directory[/directory[...]]]/filename [(fulluri[; fulluri[; fulluri[...]]])]" <---not easy to figure out
02:57 <luke-jr> actually, you did it right
02:57 <luke-jr> wtf
02:57 <luke-jr> wiki syntax is wrong
02:57 <luke-jr> but you did it right
02:57 <luke-jr> XD
02:58 <luke-jr> Author/Category/Name-Version.TypeExt
02:58 <luke-jr> with optional URI in parenthesis
02:58 <Valathar> [0] Resource Your_mom/dtd/map- not found in cache. Downloading it, please be patient...
02:58 <Valathar> 2: I/O error : failed to load external entity "Your_mom/dtd/map-"
02:58 <Valathar> ^
02:58 <Valathar> :3: validity error : Validation failed: no DTD found !
02:58 <Valathar> ="aamap" name="ctfsty" version="0.0.2-1flag" author="Your_mom" category="clever"
02:58 <Valathar> oops that didnt paste right
02:58 <luke-jr> ok
02:58 <luke-jr> that's why using the parenthesis thing is a bad idea
02:59 <Valathar> okay so how do i get this thing to load
02:59 <luke-jr> set the repo to something somehow
02:59 <luke-jr> #armaconfig repos
02:59 <luke-jr> armabot isn't here
02:59 <luke-jr> stupid bot
03:01 <Valathar> lol the only thing i could find about resource repos on the wiki
03:01 <Valathar> says to contact luke-jr
03:02 <luke-jr> <.<
03:03 <Valathar> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Resource_repository <---all i could find lol
03:08 <luke-jr> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18653
03:09 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: http://crazy-tronners.com/resource/voodoo/autokick.php
03:10 <Valathar> okay so theres no way to load this map atm?
03:10 <luke-jr> Valathar: there is
03:11 <Valathar> RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER <---whats the format for this
03:11 <luke-jr> URI
03:11 <Valathar> RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER http://epsy46.free.fr/resource/ <--that correct?
03:12 <luke-jr> RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER http://epsy46.free.fr/resource/
03:12 <luke-jr> yes
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03:14 <Valathar> awesome it works Great
03:14 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: that was the old authentication
03:15 <ct|kyle> kicked players if the server was locked to cters
03:15 <Valathar> i still need to redo the map a lil becouse its not exactly what i needed but it will do for now
03:16 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: it's an infinite download for me
03:17 <ct|kyle> ya
03:17 <ct|kyle> it would be
03:17 <ct|kyle> infinite errors
03:17 <luke-jr> XD
03:17  * luke-jr was trying to fetch the entire repo
03:17 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18653 <-- I posted it for you
03:17 <luke-jr> am I missing any DTDs?
03:20 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: what about Trusted users to upload them?
03:20 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: ⁇
03:22 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: btw my ct repository does not match my armagetronad one
03:23 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: trusted? trusted for what?
03:23 <luke-jr> and wtf does that mean
03:23 <ct|kyle> trusted to upload DTD's
03:23 <Valathar> Note: ty ct|kyle for having a more up to date version of prepatched sty on your repo then whats on the normal dev repo
03:23 <luke-jr> I wasn't talking about automatic DTD uploading
03:23 <luke-jr> they're rare enough for manual
03:24 <luke-jr> that poll is specifically addressing a single DTD right now
03:24 <luke-jr> AFAIK, there are no other DTDs in existence missing
03:24 <luke-jr> does CT have a DTD?
03:25 <ct|kyle> not sure
03:26 <ct|kyle> but i was not able to upload some of my maps for dtd errors
03:26 <luke-jr> what DTD?
03:26 <ct|kyle> this was a while ago
03:26 <ct|kyle> i forget now
03:26 <luke-jr> ]last --from ct|kyle --with dtd --nolimit
03:26 <ljrbot> luke-jr: [01:26:01] <ct|kyle> but i was not able to upload some of my maps for dtd errors and [01:23:34] <ct|kyle> trusted to upload DTD's
03:26 <luke-jr> ]more
03:26 <ljrbot> luke-jr: Error: That's all, there is no more.
03:27 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: i don't think i mentioned anything here
03:27 <ct|kyle> it was before i came here that often
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03:37 <luke-jr> actually, looks like the pig dtd somehow got into AATeam
03:37 <luke-jr> Valathar: if you change Your_mom in that map to AATeam, you can upload it to the main repo and forget about that setting
03:38 <Valathar> hmm i may do that in a bit
03:39 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: maybe that was my problem too
03:39 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: honestly, I don't know why it's under AATeam when no AATeam code can use it
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03:40 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: why not just add it to both places
03:40 <ct|kyle> the pigs map's used your_mom
03:40 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: well, Your_mom didn't make it
03:40 <luke-jr> so I'd want at least him to say "yeah, copy it there" ;p
03:40 <ct|kyle> your_mom helped the pig make it
03:41 <luke-jr> o
03:41 <luke-jr> hum
03:41 <ct|kyle> well ask your_mom and make sure it is OK but i don't think he'll have a problem with it
03:43 <luke-jr> interestingly, I suspect some maps in the repo won't work
03:43 <luke-jr> not sure how that happened :/
03:43 <ct|kyle> heh
03:44 <ct|kyle> maybe it was before it got changed?
03:48 <luke-jr> ?
03:48 <KoR> luke-jr: I think   is a space
03:48 <luke-jr> KoR: die
03:52 <Stewah> rofl
03:52 <Stewah> $forget
03:52 <Stewah> ?
03:52 <KoR> Stewah: I think   is a space
03:52 <Stewah> bastard.
03:52 <luke-jr> Lucifer: we have a pita bot!
03:52 <Stewah> :D
03:52 <Stewah> $ts
03:52 <KoR> TeamSpeak Server Empty
03:53 <Stewah> damn
03:53 <Stewah> :D
03:55 <luke-jr> @.@
03:55 <luke-jr> ._.
03:56 <xfroggy> ~.~
03:56 <xfroggy> ~.~
03:56 <xfroggy> erm..
03:59 <xfroggy> $_$
03:59 <ct|kyle> sudo rm xfroggy
04:00 <xfroggy> ct|kyle, rm: cannot remove `xfroggy': No such file or directory
04:00 <xfroggy> :D
04:06 <Valathar> xfroggy: or directory wouldnt be in there the directory flags in the rm cmd are -rf
04:06 <Valathar> >.>
04:07 <Valathar> damn im a nerd
04:07  * Valathar goes to eat
04:07 <xfroggy> huh?
04:08 <xfroggy> nerds make sense at very least ..... ur something else
04:08 <Valathar> i make sense see
04:08 <Valathar> root@destiny [~]# rm xfroggy
04:08 <Valathar> rm: cannot remove `xfroggy': No such file
04:08 <xfroggy> ...
04:09 <Valathar> the directory doesnt come into play unless u use the -rf flags
04:09 <Valathar> like rm -rf xfroggy
04:09 <xfroggy> ur stupid too
04:09 <xfroggy> xfroggy@brokenb0x ~ $ sudo rm xfroggy
04:09 <xfroggy> rm: cannot remove `xfroggy': No such file or directory
04:09 <xfroggy> there pwned
04:09 <Valathar> but i think the command he was going for was userdel
04:10 <Valathar> i suppose the message varies by distro
04:10 <Valathar> nonetheless
04:11 <ct|kyle> xfroggy: when are you ever going to fic your brokenb0x
04:11  * Valathar goes to eat anyways
04:11 <ct|kyle> fix*
04:11 <xfroggy> its broken....aka unfixable :D
04:11 <ct|kyle> xfroggy: dident upgrades fix it
04:12 <Valathar> silly sysadmin upgrades dont fix things they break them more <oh wait nvm thats windows>
04:12 <ct|kyle> Valathar: hardware
04:12 <ct|kyle> windows is always broken
04:13 <xfroggy> haha so true :D
04:13 <Valathar> ah nvm hw upgrades not sw upgrades
04:13 <ct|kyle> anyone know what MS silverlight is?
04:14 <Valathar> its some sort of media plugin isnt it?
04:14 <Valathar> like .net web media plugin shit
04:19 <ct|kyle> i have no clue, i'm just supposed to use it in school but my OS does not support it
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04:27 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: fire teh sux0r skool
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04:28 <Durka_tr> where the fuck is luke-jr when you need him?
04:28 <luke-jr> f u Durka_tr
04:28 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: ya i'll raise a lot of heck if my math class requires windows with Internet explorer
04:29 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: SilverLight is M$ Flash
04:29 <luke-jr> suck + suck = double suck
04:29 <Durka_tr> hey luke
04:29 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: the other class has too many linux users for them to force something like that
04:29 <Durka_tr> brb
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04:29 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: suck * suck =suck^2
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04:30 <ct|kyle> o0 dorka incomming
04:30 <ct|kyle> oi Durka (dorka)
04:43 <Monkey_arma> gtfo Durka you been here over 1 minute easily
04:43 <Durka> :D
04:43 <Monkey_arma> right tahts it i'm leaving in disgust
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04:44 <hoax> Durka pls come here more often
04:44 <Durka> oO
04:45 <Stewah> we missed you durka.
04:45 <hoax> no one else could make monkey leave....
04:45 <hoax> that easily anyway :D
04:45 <Stewah> most of the time you have to kick him.
04:45 <Stewah> and even then he comes back -.-
04:46 <ct|kyle> @quote get 3
04:47 <teabot> ct|kyle: Quote #3: "<Lucifer> I've always wondered if someone went psycho and kicked everybody from the channel, how long would it take for the channel to repopulate?" (added by epsy at 10:56 AM, August 19, 2008)
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04:54 <Durka> \o
04:57 <ct|kyle> #sd durka
04:57 <teabot> ct|kyle: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “durka” at the moment, sorry.
04:57 <ct|kyle> #sd d u r k a
04:57 <teabot> ct|kyle: - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | -: Players (0/16):
05:01 <Lucifer> well, I ordered a trunk
05:02 <Lucifer> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013498NM
05:15 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: so 17 days w/o smoking pays for it?
05:15 <Lucifer> hmmm
05:15 <Lucifer> it's 7 packs of cigarettes, isn't it?
05:16 <ct|kyle> i figured a pack a day
05:16 <Lucifer> yeah, 7 packs of cigarettes
05:16 <ct|kyle> at $4
05:16 <Lucifer> yeah, same here
05:16 <Lucifer> aha, $5 :)
05:16 <Lucifer> 7*5=35
05:16 <Lucifer> so, two people smoking...
05:16 <Lucifer> so it's 3.5 days w/o smoking pays for it
05:17 <ct|kyle> oh you had the rack i figured that in too
05:18 <Lucifer> oh, no, I already have a rack
05:19 <Lucifer> I have a rack that hooks up to the seat tube
05:19  * ct|kyle wonders is cigarettes are more expensive in TX
05:19 <Lucifer> American Spirit cigarettes
05:20 <Lucifer> they used to be more expensive than the regular brands
05:20 <ct|kyle> whatever is on the gas station sign is $3.72
05:20 <Lucifer> ok, yeah, cigarettes are more expensive here
05:20 <ct|kyle> marb____ donno how to speel it
05:20 <Lucifer> they added some taxes, and they keep taxing it more
05:21 <Lucifer> I've seen american spirits go for as much as $6.19
05:21 <ct|kyle> wow
05:22 <xfroggy> lol if u want to truly quit smoking, I believe NY is a good place to move
05:22 <ct|kyle> that is why i don't smoke the expanse and because of  my allergies
05:23 <Lucifer> well, let's see
05:23 <xfroggy> 9$ a pack makes u think if its really worth it
05:23 <Lucifer> today I rode all the way to work without stopping, 8.9 miles uphill :)
05:23 <Lucifer> my lungs have only started recovering, too
05:23 <ct|kyle> i'd be in  a puddle of swet if i did that
05:24 <Lucifer> I got rained on a few times too, it was that sort of day
05:24 <Lucifer> the ride home was much different, though
05:24 <Lucifer> still rode without stopping, but that's not unusual
05:24 <Lucifer> I did max out at 27mph, which was unusual
05:24 <ct|kyle> downhill
05:25 <Lucifer> the general trend is downhill, it's actually a hilly ride
05:29 <ct|kyle> so what was your average speed
05:30 <Lucifer> didn't compute it this time
05:30 <Lucifer> had my cell phone locked up because of the weather, so I didn't get a departure time
05:30 <Lucifer> not having a departure time meant it was worthless to grab the arrival time
05:30 <ct|kyle> ya
05:31 <Lucifer> on my list is a cycle computer that'll also compute average speed
05:31 <Lucifer> the one I've got doesn't do that
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13:34 <Monkey_arma> hi PinkTomato
13:34 <PinkTomato> Hi Monkey :)
13:36 <PinkTomato> Wondering, monkey, do you know how to configure arma so team colours stop cycling when people leave and enter?
13:48 <xfroggy> PinkTomato: bug_color_overflow 0 ? Oo
13:50 <PinkTomato> xfroggy: you have TEAM_1 and TEAM_2 and Team_3 names and colour,
13:50 <PinkTomato> well, I just want to use TEAM_1 and TEAM_2, but sometimes Team_3 is used when it switches from Single player mode to team mode
13:50 <xfroggy> o... :-/
13:51 <epsy> .cfg2 mode
13:51 <tronner> epsy: ARMAGETRON_LAST_SCREENMODE: Last screen resolution || ARMAGETRON_LAST_SCREENMODE_H: UNDOCUMENTED || ARMAGETRON_LAST_SCREENMODE_W: UNDOCUMENTED || ARMAGETRON_SCREENMODE: Screen resolution || ARMAGETRON_SCREENMODE_H: UNDOCUMENTED || ARMAGETRON_SCREENMODE_W: UNDOCUMENTED || BALL_TEAM_MODE: ball_team_mode_help || SWAP_MODE: Determines the commands used to sync graphics and input. 0: do nothing, 1: (1 more message)
13:51 <epsy> i forgot hew i called it >.<
13:51 <epsy> .cfg2 elimination
13:51 <tronner> epsy: Sorry, no matches :S
13:52 <epsy> TEAM_ELIMINATION_MODE        Defines the way ArmagetronAd should eliminate teams when there's more teams than TEAMS_MAX: Set to 0 it will try to keep as many players as possible, kicking teams that have the lowest score if teams are balanced; Set to 1 it will try to keep the best team colors (Team blue, then Team gold, then Team red, etc); Set to 2 it will kick out the teams that have the lowest score, regardless of balance.
13:53 <epsy> PinkTomato,
13:53 <PinkTomato> so TEAM_ELIMINATION_MODE 1?
13:53 <epsy> yeah
13:53 <PinkTomato> thanks so much!
13:53 <epsy> trough there's a bug
13:53 <PinkTomato> oh?
13:53 <epsy> well imagine all the guys from team Blue leaves
13:54 <epsy> so you have gold and red
13:54 <PinkTomato> right
13:54 <epsy> gold and red will be kept, since they are the only ones
13:55 <epsy> but in general it works, eg when you switch team sumo to fort, in general you will have blue and gold
13:55 <epsy> except in that particular case
13:55 <PinkTomato> ah ok :)
13:55 <epsy> i could try to fix it
13:55 <PinkTomato> I can't find it
13:55 <PinkTomato> typed team_el
13:56 <epsy> what sources are you using?
13:56 <PinkTomato> nothing appears. 0.2.8+sty+ct
13:56 <epsy> ah, hasnt been merged into their branch
13:56 <epsy> cant do anything about it, bother the CT guys
13:56 <PinkTomato> ok, ty anyway epsy :)
13:57 <epsy> yw, i'll try to fix that bug anyway
13:57 <PinkTomato> where is it in the trunk, or 0.2.8?
13:57 <epsy> only in .2.8 for now
13:57 <PinkTomato> ok
13:57 <epsy> you could still import the patch manually
13:58 <epsy> want me to explain?
13:58 <PinkTomato> ok :)
13:58 <PinkTomato> if that's ok :)
13:58 <PinkTomato> hope it's not too difficult
13:58 <epsy> ok, did you make a checkout (co) or a branch?
13:59 <PinkTomato> I bzr -lp:ct+sty
13:59 <PinkTomato> something like that
14:00 <epsy> you miss the most important part :P
14:00 <epsy> type bzr info
14:00 <PinkTomato> ok
14:00 <PinkTomato>  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Earmagetronad-ct/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty%2Bct/
14:01 <PinkTomato> i'm guess you want that?
14:01 <epsy> no, i want to know if it is bound to it or not
14:01 <epsy> if it's bound it means it's a checkout, so you would need to have write access on their tree
14:02 <epsy> in that case we should unbind it, so you can freely do operations on it
14:02 <PinkTomato> Standalone tree (format: rich-root-pack), Location: ,  branch root: .  parent branch:..
14:02 <epsy> ok, so it's not bound :)
14:02 <PinkTomato> right :)
14:03 <PinkTomato> is that good or bad?
14:03 <epsy> right, type in this: bzr pull -r 854..855 lp:armagetronad/0.2.8
14:03 <epsy> there's nothing really good or bad :P
14:04 <PinkTomato> directly into the armagetronad-sty-ct folder?
14:04 <epsy> yes
14:05 <PinkTomato> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/root/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct/lp:armagetronad/0.2.8/".
14:05 <epsy> er..
14:05 <epsy> bzr --version ?
14:05 <PinkTomato> Bazaar (bzr) 1.3.1
14:06 <epsy> you typed bzr pull -r 854..855 lp:armagetronad/0.2.8 and not bzr pull -r 854..855 lp:armagetronad/0.2.8/ ?
14:06 <epsy> @bzr
14:06 <teabot> bzr co lp:armagetronad(trunk) -OR- bzr co lp:armagetronad/0.2.8(0.2.8 branch)
14:06 <epsy> right, it's not me :p
14:06 <PinkTomato> xD, um...
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14:08 <PinkTomato> tried both with and without /
14:08 <epsy> try bzr pull -r 854..855 https://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Earmagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-work/
14:09 <PinkTomato> It's doing something :)
14:11 <epsy> once it's done there's two case
14:12 <epsy> either it succeeds and there is no conflict
14:12 <epsy> either it tells you that there are text conflicts and you should fix them
14:12 <PinkTomato> ah, so this is similar to using patch?
14:13 <epsy> that's how most vcs works, yes
14:13 <epsy> except that it's still a bit different with merge :)
14:15 <PinkTomato> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: while sending GET /%7Earmagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-work/.bzr/branch-format:
14:15 <PinkTomato> (110, 'Connection timed out')
14:15 <epsy> that's probably my fault
14:16 <PinkTomato> ?
14:16 <KoR> PinkTomato: I think   is a space
14:16 <epsy> PinkTomato, blah, go up one dir, and make a checkout of lp:armagetronad/0.2.8
14:17 <epsy> also, you should upgrade bzr if possible
14:20 <PinkTomato> Ok that's done :),
14:20 <epsy> do the same with the path to your new checkout instead
14:22 <Monkey_arma> PinkTomato the latest stable version of bzr is on the site but not in most Linux distros: http://bazaar-vcs.org/Download
14:23 <PinkTomato> Ok, i might need to do that, it say revision only takes one value
14:23 <epsy> try putting the -r part at the end perhaps
14:24 <PinkTomato> same.
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14:29 <PinkTomato> hmm upgraded bzr to 1.6 and still same --revision takes one value.  I'm typing: bzr pull /root/0.2.8 -r 854..855.
14:30 <epsy> wait.;
14:30 <PinkTomato> oh ok :)
14:30 <epsy> bzr merge -r 854.855 ../0.2.8/
14:30 <epsy> er
14:30 <epsy> bzr merge -r 854..855 ../0.2.8/
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14:33 <PinkTomato>  M  language/english_base.txt,  M  src/engine/eTeam.cpp. changed successfully :)
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14:34 <epsy> PinkTomato, you might want to cherry-pick some other changes
14:34 <epsy> mainly rev 865
14:36 <PinkTomato> ah, so i can look at revision log, I would use bzr merge -r 864..865 ../0.2.8/, for that right?
14:36 <epsy> yes
14:36 <epsy> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-work/changes
14:37 <PinkTomato> is there an ignore commited changes command?
14:37 <PinkTomato> as that error has appeared.
14:37 <epsy> hm?
14:38 <PinkTomato> bzr: ERROR: Working tree "/root/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct/" has uncommitted changes.
14:38 <epsy> ah yes, after a merge you need to commit
14:38 <PinkTomato> ah, that's only local right?
14:38 <epsy> bzr ci -m "Commit message"
14:38 <epsy> yes
14:38 <epsy> you can forget about the -m part
14:38 <epsy> in this case it will prompt you to enter one with $EDITOR
14:38 <PinkTomato> oh i see :)
14:39 <epsy> also, you can bzr revert, too
14:40 <epsy> which will revert to last commit
14:54 <PinkTomato> thanks epsy, got the function in the game :)
14:54 <epsy> yw
15:01 <eddiefantastic> PinkTomato: it's SP_TEAMS_MAX 2 or sumsuch
15:01 <eddiefantastic> to stop the 3rd team appearing
15:06 <Monkey_arma> eddiefantastic surely SP is for single player
15:06 <Monkey_arma> i think he wants TEAMS_MAX
15:07 <PinkTomato> It's when it switches from Single player mode to team mode, that the new player creates a whole new team using TEAM_3 name and colours
15:07 <Monkey_arma> PinkTomato, here is most commands: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Console_Commands
15:07 <eddiefantastic> PinkTomato: that's right
15:08 <eddiefantastic> the 3rd team is created in sp mode, but stays for multiplayer
15:08 <Monkey_arma> pfft thats crazy...
15:08 <Monkey_arma> surely thats a bug no?
15:08 <eddiefantastic> we had the same problem in ctwf till we added that setting
15:08 <eddiefantastic> it's still 2 teams
15:08 <eddiefantastic> just with the wrong names
15:08 <PinkTomato> Right, Well I used both SP_TEAMS_MAX 2 and TEAM_ELIMINATION_MODE 1 and it's working now :)
15:09 <PinkTomato> very happy thanks :)
15:09 <eddiefantastic> good :)
15:09 <Monkey_arma> eddiefantastic report it as a bug
15:09 <eddiefantastic> it's not a bug
15:09 <PinkTomato> I think a wiki guide on console team creation would be handy
15:10 <eddiefantastic> you may want a server with > 2 team in sp mode, but = 2 teams in multi mode, this makes it possible
15:11 <Monkey_arma> surely then TEAMS_MAX should come into effect immediately on multiplayer
15:11 <eddiefantastic> yes, it does. but the team names do not reset to team_1 name and team_2 name
15:12 <Monkey_arma> call me crazy but SP and multiplayer should be totally seperate
15:12 <eddiefantastic> so, instead gold v blue, you have gold v red or similar
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15:13 <eddiefantastic> I would happily lose all SP_* settings, but then I like scripting my servers
15:13 <eddiefantastic> and would probably write a script at some point to do the same thing
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15:25 <Lucifer> the only purpose for SP_* settings that I can see is to compensate for the bad AIs
15:25 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: ping
15:27  * Lucifer wonders how long before the craving first-thing-in-the-morning ceases
15:30 <eddiefantastic> I don't think it goes away, you just get used to it
15:32 <epsy> you should be able to load a config depending on the number of players when a player leaves or enters
15:32 <epsy> simply
15:32 <epsy> now, that depends on scripting
15:33 <epsy> also, i've never really noticed that bug
15:33 <eddiefantastic> if you use the original fortress map, that is setting is inside the map
15:33 <epsy> i enter a server..Armgagetron pops up on gold, then someone enters and is put on gold, armagetron leaves
15:33 <epsy> ah
15:33 <eddiefantastic> that's what got me too
15:34 <eddiefantastic> it's not in fortress_complete.cfg
15:34 <epsy> that shouldn't happen -> bug
15:35 <eddiefantastic> you could argue that fortress_complete uses that map
15:39 <epsy> ok i'm marking it as incomplete, i want to see it with my own eyes
15:39 <epsy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+bug/261469
15:41 <eddiefantastic> that's not exactly how it happens
15:41 <eddiefantastic> iirc it's something like this...
15:41 <epsy> feel free to edit
15:42 <eddiefantastic> 2 players on the server team_gold and team_blue, 1 player leaves, ai enters as team_red, new player arrives, ai leaves, player is now team red
15:43 <eddiefantastic> but it was a while ago
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15:43 <epsy> ah
15:44 <epsy> explains why team_elimination_mode fixes it
15:45 <PinkTomato> epsy: it fixed it in conjunction with SP_TEAM_MAX 2
15:45 <Lucifer> so, wrtlprnft was talking some time ago about making a resource-oriented map rotator in code, anybody know where that went?
15:45 <epsy> dunno
15:45 <Lucifer> I believe he was working on it with self destructo
15:46 <epsy> never heard about it
15:46 <eddiefantastic> wasn't the map rotator stripped out?
15:46 <Lucifer> this was probably before you opened your coccoon and learned english ;)
15:46 <epsy> :P
15:46 <Lucifer> tank's hacked map rotator was
15:46 <eddiefantastic> wasn't that what self destructo worked on?
15:46 <Lucifer> it was going to replaced by something self destructo was designing, and wrtlprnft was going to code it, and then I don't know what happened
15:46 <epsy> well, i have some ideas for a working-with-human map rotator and such
15:47 <epsy> next time he should use blueprints ;)
15:47 <Lucifer> that was before we were on launchpad :)
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15:47 <epsy> hence the smiley
15:47 <Lucifer> oh right, I thought that was just a random semicolon typo
15:48 <Lucifer> so I just want to know how far that effort got to see if we should borrow anything from it
15:48 <Lucifer> so, I guess we need to add return codes to maps
15:49 <epsy> well i personally don't know anything about these plans, best would be to make a new spec for it
15:49 <eddiefantastic> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=3393&highlight=map+rotate
15:50 <eddiefantastic> I never heard anything more about it
15:51 <epsy> we can start from that
15:51 <Lucifer> I love how these old links to the forums *always* link to a fight between me and luke-jr
15:51 <eddiefantastic> haha
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15:54 <Lucifer> I suppose we could hijack the match/round stuff to make different levels in a campaign
15:54 <epsy> :)
15:55 <Lucifer> well, like, say your campaign follows the standard 5 act formula
15:55 <eddiefantastic> with cut scenes?
15:55 <Lucifer> Then you can divide it into 5 matches, where each match is one act
15:55 <Lucifer> yeah, cut scenes, text, etc
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15:56 <Lucifer> although, admittedly, some of this will wind up being marked "/// todo: finish this", where once I'm happy with the resource system, I'm moving straight to the sound engine :)
15:57 <eddiefantastic> how about a <script /> tag, ready for when scripting support may become a reality
15:58 <epsy> <epsy> load tweak/Bugtracker
15:58 <epsy> <teabot> Error: No module named FeedParser
15:58 <epsy> smart bot
15:58 <Lucifer> that sounds like something that should be in all resource formats
15:59 <epsy> best would be to not put it until we actually HAVE scripting
15:59 <epsy> otherwise it will just confuse everyone
16:01 <Lucifer> so we could add it anytime then?
16:01  * Lucifer looks at the swig directory
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16:08 <Lucifer> man, all's I want to know is, does the local grocery store still stock bicycle tubes?
16:08 <Lucifer> I guess I should ride down to *my* local grocery store and see if they do
16:13 <teabot> armabugs: [261469] team red pops up when switching out from SP mode
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16:20 <eddiefantastic> so, you adding moviepacks as a resource?
16:23 <Lucifer> not right this minute :)
16:23 <Lucifer> I am hoping I'll have changed the resource system enough that someone else will add moviepacks as a resource whenever he gets back from the island ;)
16:24 <Lucifer> but right now, I've got to run a few errands
16:24  * epsy considers installing a newer version of TAR on this damn machine
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16:35 <epsy> hell, i hate python
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16:36 <epsy> yes that's why i can't keep myself from olesting teabot :)
16:36 <epsy> molesting*
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16:36 <P4> .echo "\x4c\x4f\x4c\x21"
16:36 <tronner> LOL!
16:36 <epsy> >.<
16:36 <epsy> if it wont load it now..
16:37 <epsy> succeed!!
16:37 <epsy> #success
16:37 <teabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
16:37 <epsy> !!!
16:37 <P4> well pwn :þ
16:37 <epsy> @list bugtracker
16:37 <teabot> epsy: add, list, remove, and rename
16:37 <P4> @author bugtracker
16:37 <teabot> P4: Dennis Kaarsemaker (Seveas) <dennis AT kaarsemaker DOT net>
16:38 <epsy> P4, i'll link it, second
16:38 <P4> @contributors bugtracker
16:38 <teabot> P4: The Bugtracker plugin was written by Dennis Kaarsemaker (Seveas) <dennis AT kaarsemaker DOT net> and has no additional contributors listed.
16:38 <PinkTomato> top
16:38 <P4> where?
16:38 <KoR> P4: I think where is the hint :P
16:38 <P4> where?
16:38 <KoR> P4: I think where is the hint :P
16:38 <P4> KoR: version
16:39 <P4> …
16:39 <epsy> its a bot lol
16:39 <P4> yes indeed
16:39 <P4> -.-
16:39 <P4> infobot…
16:39 <epsy> @bugtracker add lp malone https://launchpad.net/malone
16:39 <teabot> epsy: Error: Bugtrackers of type 'malone' are not understood
16:39 <epsy> wtf
16:39 <epsy> @bugtracker add malone malone https://launchpad.net/malone
16:39 <teabot> epsy: Error: Bugtrackers of type 'malone' are not understood
16:39 <epsy> OoOOoO
16:39 <epsy> @bugtracker add malone malone https://launchpad.net/malone Malone
16:39 <teabot> epsy: Error: Bugtrackers of type 'malone' are not understood
16:39 <P4> @join #supybot-bots
16:39 <teabot> P4: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
16:40 <epsy> pwnz0re
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16:40 <P4> .czesc Fleks
16:40 <tronner> Hello Fleks
16:43 <Flex> .czesc P4
16:43 <tronner> Hello P4
16:43 <epsy> @right, in the readme it says to use Malone, now in help it's launchpad
16:43 <epsy> er
16:43 <epsy> lol
16:44 <epsy> @bugtracker add lp Launchpad https://launchpad.net/malone Launchpad's bugtracker, the one arma is hosted on :)
16:44 <teabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
16:44 <P4> epsy: set defaultplugin list bugtracker
16:44 <epsy> no!
16:45 <P4> @list
16:45 <teabot> P4: Alias, Bugtracker, ChannelRelay, Factoids, Filter, Format, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Later, Misc, Nickometer, QGoogle, Quote, RSS, Scheduler, String, Time, User, Utilities, and Web
16:45 <epsy> why would i do that?!
16:45 <P4> :þ
16:45 <epsy> @plugin bugtracker add
16:45 <teabot> epsy: The "bugtracker add" command is available in the Bugtracker plugin.
16:45 <epsy> :P
16:47 <epsy> bug 261469
16:47 <epsy> bug #261469
16:47 <epsy> Oo
16:48 <P4> @bug 261469
16:48 <P4> epsy: do you know the channel #supybot-bots? it's for testing your supybot :)
16:49 <epsy> and for letting others looping it, meh
16:49 <P4> no
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16:53 <epsy> bug #261469
16:53 <teabot> Launchpad bug 261469 in armagetronad "team red pops up when switching out from SP mode" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261469
16:53 <epsy> better
16:54 <epsy> @bugtracker remove lp
16:54 <teabot> epsy: The operation succeeded.
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17:02 <Monkey_arma> emphasis (n=rolf   <--   mao?
17:04 <emphasis> huh what?
17:05 <Monkey_arma> emphasis are you t3h real rolf mao?
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17:06  * P4 is now playing: Hellfish - Wolfman (4:40)
17:08 <emphasis> whats mao?
17:08 <PinkTomato> an old Chinese president?
17:09 <emphasis> no, that not me  then :P
17:09 -!- hoax [n=hYpn0Goa@unaffiliated/hoax] has joined #armagetron
17:09 <emphasis> i am just a dutch guy :P
17:09 <PinkTomato> :)
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17:19 <Monkey_arma> emphasis, rolf mao is the second biggest pnwzor in Arma.
17:20 <epsy> but nobody knows him!
17:20 <emphasis> owh, my name in arma is same as my nickname here :P
17:20 <emphasis> never saw him btw
17:20 <epsy> seeing him on the grid announces apocalypse!
17:22 <eddiefantastic> who is the biggest pwnzor?
17:23 <epsy> it's pwnzor
17:24  * Lucifer hopes his trunk has been shipped already
17:24 <Monkey_arma> Show yourself oh mightiest pwnzor
17:24 <Monkey_arma> Your people are calling for you
17:25 <eddiefantastic> pwnzor and rolf mao? I'll keep an eye out for them
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17:25 <rolf_m_fao> yo
17:25 <KoR> yo
17:25  * rolf_m_fao > rolf_mao
17:25 <rolf_m_fao> *pwnt*
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17:26 <Monkey_arma> :0
17:26 <eddiefantastic> hmm
17:26 <StickyNoob> wtf iz wit all teh 1337 spe4k
17:26 <epsy> @aol [gnu [1337 wtf iz wit all teh 1337 spe4k]]
17:26 <teabot> epsy: GNU/[1337 GNU/wtf GNU/iz GNU/wit GNU/all GNU/teh GNU/1337 GNU/spe4k]:-):-):-)
17:27 <Monkey_arma> yes people, rolf m fao is the ultimate pwnzor
17:27 <epsy> @aol [gnu [l33t wtf iz wit all teh 1337 spe4k]]
17:27 <teabot> epsy: GNU/[l33t GNU/wtf GNU/iz GNU/wit GNU/all GNU/teh GNU/1337 GNU/spe4k]:):):)
17:27 <epsy> Oo
17:30 <Lucifer> what's taking it so long!?!?
17:30  * Lucifer wants his trunk *now*, but wasn't willing to pay for *now* shipping
17:31 <StickyNoob> whats in your trunk?
17:31 <Lucifer> nothing, it's empty!  :)
17:31 -!- kidanger_ is now known as kidanger
17:31 <Lucifer> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013498NM
17:31 <Monkey_arma> 571c|<Y|\|00|3, 1|= Y0|_| 4R3 90|\||\|a 5|^3a|< 1|\| 1337 7|-|3|\| |)0 17 |^R0|^3R1Y !!11oneoneeleventwelve
17:31 <hoax> LOL! Lucifer is a brilliant advert for why people should not try & quit smoking
17:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o Lucifer] by ChanServ
17:32 -!- mode/#armagetron [+b hoax!*@*] by Lucifer
17:32 -!- hoax was kicked from #armagetron by Lucifer [go fuck yourself]
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17:32 <StickyNoob> heh
17:32 <Lucifer> he can come back when he develops manners
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17:33 <epsy> kidanger_, GO TO HELL WITH AUTOAWAY
17:33 <kidanger_> epsy: dsl, c'est pas de l'autoaway, c'est du bug
17:34 <epsy> kidanger_, et bien arrete te changed de nom?
17:34 <epsy> Oo
17:34 <Lucifer> epsy: want me to boot him too?
17:34 <epsy> haha
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17:45 -!- mode/#armagetron [-b hoax!*@*] by Lucifer
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17:50 <Program6> #aka liquidblasted
17:50 <teabot> Program6: I don't know anything about 'liquidblasted'!
17:50 <Program6> @aka liquidblasted
17:50 <teabot> Program6: I don't know anything about 'liquidblasted'!
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17:50 <P4> lol
17:51 <P4> .ls -g p4@crazy-tronners.com
17:51 <tronner> P4: LiquidBlasted has last been seen on Old Europe =Fortress= 19 hours 32 minutes ago.
17:52 <hoax> I think freako wanted to know who you were :D
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18:01 <epsy> lol @ how he gets on the same bot twice
18:01 <epsy> #aka $#7
18:02 <teabot> epsy: I don't know anything about '$#7'!
18:02 <epsy> #aka $#2
18:02 <teabot> epsy: I don't know anything about '$#2'!
18:02 <epsy> or is it $#1?
18:02 <epsy> #aka 0:Weezer@forums
18:02 <teabot> epsy: I don't know anything about '0:Weezer@forums'!
18:02 <epsy> #aka 0:freako@forums
18:02 <teabot> epsy: ¿21133 lolzor freako xo-i 0:freako@forums
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18:03 <epsy> gah this charmap sucks
18:03 <epsy> @aka ¿123
18:03 <teabot> epsy: ¿26208 123
18:03 <epsy> @aka ¿1337
18:03 <teabot> epsy: ¿8459 x7dj3ee9sh 1337 no_clan|no_name reiden dob3rm4nn=- dob3rm4nn /dev/null/h /dev/null/zuri
18:03 <epsy> er
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18:06 <epsy> @aka ¿1337
18:06 <teabot> epsy: ¿1337 atm$$|elit_sun
18:06 <epsy> \o/
18:09 <epsy> #aka 0:Weazer@forums
18:09 <teabot> epsy: I don't know anything about '0:Weazer@forums'!
18:09 <epsy> #aka 0:Wezzer@forums
18:09 <teabot> epsy: I don't know anything about '0:Wezzer@forums'!
18:09 <epsy> should wwatch better next time
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18:15 <hoax> its wazza
18:15 <hoax> or waaza etc
18:15 <epsy> there was an r i this
18:15 <epsy> @aka 0xWazaa@forums
18:15 <teabot> epsy: I don't know anything about 'oxwazaa@forums'!
18:15 <epsy> @aka 0:Wazaa@forums
18:15 <teabot> epsy: I don't know anything about '0:Wazaa@forums'!
18:16 <epsy> @aka 0:Wazza@forums
18:16 <teabot> epsy: I don't know anything about '0:Wazza@forums'!
18:16 <epsy> @aka 0:Waaza@forums
18:16 <teabot> epsy: I don't know anything about '0:Waaza@forums'!
18:16 <hoax> is it case sensative
18:16 <epsy> yes
18:16 <epsy> @ls -g Wazaa@forums
18:16 <teabot> epsy: I haven't seen anyone matching “Wazaa@forums” yet, sorry.
18:16 <epsy> @ls -g Wazza@forums
18:16 <hoax> who says w is a capital :D
18:16 <teabot> epsy: I haven't seen anyone matching “Wazza@forums” yet, sorry.
18:16 <epsy> @ls -g Waaza@forums
18:16 <teabot> epsy: I haven't seen anyone matching “Waaza@forums” yet, sorry.
18:16 <epsy> seen it ><
18:16 <epsy> @ls -g Weezzer@forums
18:16 <teabot> epsy: I haven't seen anyone matching “Weezzer@forums” yet, sorry.
18:16 <epsy> @ls -g Weezer@forums
18:16 <teabot> epsy: I haven't seen anyone matching “Weezer@forums” yet, sorry.
18:17 <epsy> @ls -g Wezzer@forums
18:17 <teabot> epsy: I haven't seen anyone matching “Wezzer@forums” yet, sorry.
18:17 <epsy> ooOooOOo
18:18 <hoax> http://forums.armagetronad.net/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2748
18:18 <hoax> as bad as eachother
18:19 <epsy> @ls -g Wazza@forums
18:19 <teabot> epsy: I haven't seen anyone matching “Wazza@forums” yet, sorry.
18:19 <epsy> hrm
18:20 <epsy> @ls -g Wookie@forums
18:20 <teabot> epsy: I haven't seen anyone matching “Wookie@forums” yet, sorry.
18:21 <epsy> @ls -g Wahoo@forums
18:21 <teabot> epsy: I haven't seen anyone matching “Wahoo@forums” yet, sorry.
18:21 <epsy> @ls -g epsy@forums
18:21 <teabot> epsy: ¦×¦epsy has last been seen on Eddie's Armathenticating Fortress 13 days 21 hours 10 minutes ago.
18:21 <epsy> nice
18:22 <epsy> @ls epsy
18:22 <epsy> bang
18:22 <teabot> epsy: epsy in 0.2.8 has last been seen on Neo-Nexus OldSkool (NO RUBBER!) 21 hours 24 minutes ago.
18:22 <epsy> hoax, btw, i give up cross-compiling :(
18:23 <hoax> sweet
18:23 <epsy> o'rly?
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20:24 <luke-jr> ivantis: ping
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20:48 <Lucifer> well, that bike ride wasn't my best idea ever
20:49 <Lucifer> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=16909+Whitebrush+Loop,+Austin,+TX+78717&daddr=30.528997,-97.710857+to:1830+N+Mays+St,+Round+Rock,+TX+78664&mra=dpe&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=15&via=1&doflg=ptm&sll=30.526964,-97.71502&sspn=0.017079,0.025921&ie=UTF8&ll=30.521973,-97.720685&spn=0.01708,0.025921&z=15
20:49 <Lucifer> google says 5.4 miles
20:50 <Lucifer> cycle computer says 6.4 miles
20:50 <Lucifer> GOOGLE SUCKS!
20:50 <PinkTomato> I blame the cycle computer, myself :)
20:52 <Lucifer> heh
20:52 <Lucifer> when in doubt, trust direct measurement
20:52 <Lucifer> wouldn't have been such a killer if I'd had a better way to carry my tires, I think
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20:55 <Lucifer> Police search for three armed men seen fleeing a burglary  <-- shouldn't be hard to find men with three arms
20:55 <PinkTomato> lol :D
20:56 <Lucifer> I wanted to go down to the grocery store again and pick up some v8, but I think I'll pass on it
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21:50 <epsy> cedric \o
21:55 <Monkey_arma> who is cedric?
21:55 <Monkey_arma> ah
21:55 <Monkey_arma> just read that bit
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22:27 <xfroggy> .tronner help quote
22:27 <xfroggy> erm
22:27 <xfroggy> .help quote
22:27 <tronner> xfroggy: (quote <company symbol>) -- Gets the information about the current price and change from the previous day of a given company (represented by a stock symbol).
22:27 <xfroggy> .list quote
22:27 <xfroggy> .quote get 69
22:27 <tronner> xfroggy: (quote <company symbol>) -- Gets the information about the current price and change from the previous day of a given company (represented by a stock symbol).
22:27 <xfroggy> >.>
22:27 <epsy> LOL
22:28 <xfroggy> .quote list
22:28 <epsy> .list
22:28 <tronner> epsy: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Ctcp, CyborgName, Dict, Filter, Format, Freenode, Games, Herald, Insult, Internet, Karma, Later, Math, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Network, Nickometer, Owner, Plugin, Praise, RSS, Reply, Seen, Services, Sourceforge, Status, Stock, String, StringEncode, Supybot, Time, Todo, Topic, Unix, User, Utilities, Weather, Web, and Yahoo
22:28 <epsy> dude
22:28 <epsy> that's a shitload of plugins
22:28 <xfroggy> LOL
22:28 <xfroggy> .quote random
22:28 <epsy> .list quote
22:29 <xfroggy> right >.>
22:29 <epsy> xfroggy, in all that there is not quote plugin
22:29 <epsy> no*
22:29 <xfroggy> thats what I feared >.>
22:29 <xfroggy> .echo /me is useless
22:29 <tronner> /me is useless
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22:29 <epsy> @action is useful O:-)
22:29  * teabot is useful O:-)
22:29 <xfroggy> :D
22:30 <epsy> bug 36364
22:31 <teabot> Launchpad bug 36364 in xfroggy "xfroggy lets itself be kicked too easly" [Low,Wontfix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36364
22:31 <xfroggy> LOL
22:31 <epsy> ^^
22:32 <epsy> won't fix :O
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22:48 <Lucifer> something's wrong with that url
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23:29 <ct|kyle> xfroggy: http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1605/lolmq6.png
23:30 <xfroggy> ct|kyle, stop using linux and support M$
23:30 <ct|kyle> xfroggy: fuck that
23:31 <xfroggy> or u wont learn math :D
23:31 <ct|kyle> xfroggy: I know the fucking math, i don't need a fucking windows program to teach me it
23:32 <xfroggy> :D
23:32 <ct|kyle> i love how the recommend IE as browser but at least give you a link to click that says that that is the only supported one
23:34 <Lucifer> ies4linux will run that program
23:34 <Lucifer> at least, it did when my wife was taking a class through that group
23:34 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: cool i'll have to try
23:35 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: i could just do 3 times the work in the book though
23:40 <xfroggy> never even heard of it
23:42 <ivantis> dude
23:42 <ivantis> why is launchpad still not working?
23:43 <ivantis> when i try bzr push lp:~ivantis/whatever
23:43 <ct|kyle> ivantis: because your ISP blocked you
23:43 <ivantis> rly?
23:43 <ivantis> no its not
23:43 <ct|kyle> :
23:43 <ct|kyle> :P
23:43 <ivantis> ivantis@ivantis:~/bzr/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct$ bzr push lp:~ivantis/armagetronad/sty+ct+ivantis
23:43 <ivantis> bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
23:43 <ivantis> ivantis@ivantis:~/bzr/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct$
23:43 <ivantis> im trying to publish my modifications to sty+ct
23:44 <ct|kyle> i think your answer is that it won't make the directories
23:44 <ivantis> Lucifer had the problem too
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23:52 <Kunizaki> Hello
23:52 <KoR> hello
23:52 <Kunizaki> français ?
23:53 <Kunizaki> c'est Mort .......
23:53 <ivantis> epsy is french
23:54 <Kunizaki> Ok
23:54 <ivantis> (epsy speaks francais)
23:54 <Kunizaki> can you give me french serveurs ?
23:54 <Kunizaki> I speak little english
23:54 <ivantis> i think irc.fr maybe
23:55 <Kunizaki> thx, and How can I enter in this serveur ?
23:55 <ivantis> hold on, one moment
23:56 <ivantis> sil.polytechnique.fr	Ecole Polytechnique, France
23:56 <ivantis> salambo.Enserb.U-Bordeaux.Fr Universite Bordeaux I
23:56 <ivantis> IRC.Eurecom.FR		Institut Eurecom, Sophia Antipolis, France
23:56 <ivantis> irc.emn.fr		Ecole des Mines de Nantes
23:56 <ivantis> irc.enst.fr		ENST (Telecom Paris), France
23:56 <ivantis> other french servers
23:56 <ivantis> type /join irc.emn.fr
23:57 <ivantis> to join server irc.emn.fr
23:57 <Kunizaki> Ok ... I'm noob
23:57 <Kunizaki> xD
23:57 <ivantis> i mean
23:57 <ivantis>  type /server irc.emn.fr
23:57 <Kunizaki> thx for help
23:57 <ivantis> no problem
23:57 <Kunizaki> unknow commande
23:57 <ivantis> type /server
23:58 <Kunizaki> Arg this is Unknow they says
23:58 <ivantis> hmm
23:58 <Kunizaki> No problem
23:58 <ivantis> try /help
23:58 <Kunizaki> I tchat on this serveur for the moment
23:58 <ivantis> ok
23:59 <Kunizaki> what is  armagetron?
23:59 <ivantis> its a game
23:59 <Kunizaki> Realy ?
23:59 <ivantis> computer game
23:59 <Kunizaki> Fps ?
23:59 <ivantis> what?
23:59 <KoR> ivantis: I think what is that
23:59 <Kunizaki> MMORPG ,
23:59 <ivantis> kind of like that

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