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00:02 <epsy> then i should find out why ld is dropping it all
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00:16 <Monkey_arma> epsy yes winter
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00:22 <epsy> so this monday it will be winter?
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00:23 <xfroggy> Oo
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00:40 <ivantis> luke-jr: ls -s says "total 816"
00:40 <ivantis> is that too much?
00:40 <luke-jr> du -hs
00:40 <ivantis> 1.3M	.
00:43 <epsy> $ ls -hs | grep total
00:43 <epsy> total 17G
00:43 <epsy> :o
00:49 <ivantis> what happens when STDIN is called in like a web-cgi?
00:49 <luke-jr> wtf?
00:49 <ivantis> like in a perl-cgi, if there is this line: $somevar = <STDIN>;
00:50 <epsy> STDIN doesn't get called, it's not a function, macro or w/e
00:50 <ivantis> whatever
00:50 <ivantis> i mean used
00:51 <ivantis> internal server error evidently
00:52 <epsy> well yes, i doubt the server will let you access his STDIN
00:53 <ivantis> that would be cool if it would
00:53 <ivantis> and it was like a text box
00:53 <epsy> nope, that would be severly insecure
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01:03 <ivantis> why?
01:03 <ivantis> how would it be insecure?
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01:27 <Valathar> anyone know the console command to change team names in a ctf game
01:27 <P4> .cfg2 team_name
01:27 <tronner> P4: ALLOW_TEAM_NAME_COLOR: Allow a team to be named after a color || ALLOW_TEAM_NAME_PLAYER: Allow a team to be named after the leading player || TEAM_NAME_1: name of team 1 || TEAM_NAME_2: name of team 2 || TEAM_NAME_3: name of team 3 || TEAM_NAME_4: name of team 4 || TEAM_NAME_5: name of team 5 || TEAM_NAME_6: name of team 6 || TEAM_NAME_7: name of team 7 || TEAM_NAME_8: name of team 8
01:28 <Valathar> TEAM_NAME_1 Unknown Command
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01:28 <Monkey_arma> Valathar in the console if you don't know a command you can guess and it will show you a list of possibilities
01:28 <Monkey_arma> for example, in console type:   cycle_rubb
01:28 <Monkey_arma> then enter
01:29 <epsy> Valathar, TEAM_NAME_1 (, 2, 3, etc) TEAM_RED_1, same for green and blue
01:29 <Monkey_arma> you can use any part of word, not just starting from the front
01:29 <P4> what version of tron do you use, Valathar?
01:30 <epsy> don't forget to use quotes with TEAM_NAME_1
01:30 <P4> Quotes? oO
01:30 <epsy> otherwise it will be truncated to the first word
01:30 <epsy> P4, TEAM_NAME_1 "Crazy Tronners"
01:30 <P4> but player_1 Crazy Tronner
01:30 <Valathar> tried the truncating it for the nelp to kick in
01:31 <Valathar> am not seeing that command
01:31 <epsy> P4, but TEAM_NAME_1 "Crazy Tronners" :)
01:31 <epsy> Valathar, too old version
01:31 <epsy> is the server running windows?
01:31 <P4> what is the server name? ^^
01:31 <Valathar> nope
01:32 <epsy> linux? what flavor?
01:32 <Valathar> fc7
01:32 <epsy> the package manager is ..er..yum, right?
01:32 <Valathar> server name last survivors clan server (CTFS)
01:32 <epsy> well, i will suppose you know how to use it
01:32 <Valathar> yes yum and rpm
01:33 <epsy> first check what version of bzr fedora has
01:34 <Valathar> hmm bzr doesnt have a version switch
01:34 <Valathar> how annoying
01:34 <epsy> bzr --version should work
01:34 <Valathar> 1.3.1
01:34 <epsy> ok
01:35 <epsy> now you have two choices, either you take CT's updated sty sources, either the merly maintened (but still updated) original sty
01:36 <epsy> for the first, do a bzr co lp:~armagetronad-ct/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct
01:36 <epsy> for the latter, use bzr co lp:~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
01:37 <ivantis> im looking at macintosh laptops on ebay
01:37 <epsy> these sources are already patched with the sty patch, soyou will just need to do the ./bootstrap.sh && ./configure --disable-glout --enable-authentication && make
01:37 <ivantis> what kind do you suggest?
01:37 <epsy> ivantis, macbookprol33th4cs
01:37 <ivantis> no
01:37 <ivantis> i want a powerbook g4
01:37 <ivantis> my dad has one, theyre nice
01:38 <epsy> how do you want me to suggest anything if you already know what you want?
01:38 <ivantis> btw, do any linux distros work with airport cards?
01:38 <ivantis> idk
01:38 <epsy> yes
01:38 <ivantis> which?
01:38 <Valathar> ok ty epsy
01:38 <epsy> since it's the only apple one, it's 99% sure you will find a driver
01:38 <Valathar> when i built first i used http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
01:38 <tronner> Title: ~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty : changes (at bazaar.launchpad.net)
01:38 <ivantis> oh
01:38 <ivantis> yellow dog?
01:38 <epsy> it's probably out of date then, heh
01:39 <epsy> ivantis, that's for playstations
01:39 <ivantis> you should use sty+ct
01:39 <epsy> or xboxes, can't remember
01:39 <ivantis> or even better, sty+ct+ivantis
01:39 <ivantis> no
01:39 <epsy> or bother me to upgrade 0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
01:39 <ivantis> its for macs with PPCs
01:39 <Valathar> lol
01:39 <ivantis> im pretty sure
01:40 <epsy> @g yellow dog inux
01:40 <teabot> epsy: http://groups.google.com/group/antinecvinjykbohod/web/ps3-inux-game-server - Ps3 Inux Game Server - b11mh | Google Groups
01:40 <epsy> @g yellow dog linux
01:40 <epsy> hrhr
01:40 <ivantis> what?
01:40 <teabot> epsy: http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/ - Terra Soft -- Linux for PowerStation, Playstation, PS3, QS22 ...
01:40 <ivantis> bah
01:40 <epsy> ivantis, pwned? :)
01:40 <ivantis> well, i was reading a book, it said yellow dog is for macs
01:40 <ivantis> but ubuntu runs on powerbooks and such right?
01:40 <epsy> probably used to be
01:40 <epsy> yes yes
01:41 <ivantis> will it have a driver for airport card?
01:41 <epsy> ivantis, i think the PS runs a PPC
01:41 <ivantis> ill google it
01:41 <epsy> not sure tho
01:41 <Valathar> okay last question how do you /msg someone when u cant type thier name
01:41 <ivantis> yeah, PS3 runs PPC
01:41 <epsy> ivantis, probably sure
01:41 <Valathar> damn ascii crap
01:41 <epsy> use the username in /players
01:41 <epsy> except if you use auth
01:42 <ivantis> i think you can /msg them by doing /players, then /msg <the number next to their name>
01:42 <ivantis> or, if it is a non-teams server, press tab and /msg <the team they are on>
01:42 <Valathar> k ty
01:42 <ivantis> which filters their name
01:43 <epsy> Valathar, i'm at it, if you care
01:43 <ivantis> epsy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=862
01:43 <tronner> Title: Airport Extreme - Ubuntu Forums (at ubuntuforums.org)
01:43 <ivantis> you still sure?
01:44 <epsy> oO
01:44 <epsy> strange
01:44 <ivantis> but, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-help/71986-ubuntu-airport-wireless-help.html
01:45 <ivantis> maybe it works now
01:45 <ivantis> and that other topic is just old
01:45 <epsy> 2004 heh
01:45 <epsy> duh, bzr is complaining about launchpad not being up-to-date
01:45 <epsy> psh
01:46 <Valathar> epsy ty mucho
01:46 <epsy> yw
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01:50  * epsy points finger at EXA
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01:57 <ivantis> luke-jr: where is the main resource repository hosted? i remember something like one.resource.dashj.org or something like that
01:57 <ivantis> it worked for a me a while ago
01:58 <epsy> ivantis, there is not one, but more repositories :)
01:58 <ivantis> where is one?
02:02 <epsy> the only i can remember is armagetron.at
02:02 <ivantis> which is down
02:02 <epsy> (but it's down atm)
02:02 <epsy> yes
02:03 <epsy> woohoo only one set of conflicts
02:04 <epsy> ill check if it compiles then pull
02:08 <epsy> *push :o
02:24 <ivantis> grr
02:27 <epsy> Valathar, 0.2.8-armagetronad-sty should be updated
02:28 <epsy> gn
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02:41 <Monkey_arma> in MESSAGE_OF_DAY messages, if you put a colour code does it apply to the rest of the line it is on or all following lines until another there is another colour code?
02:42 <Monkey_arma> in MESSAGE_OF_DAY messages, if you put a colour code does it apply only to the rest of the line it is on or also all following lines until another there is another colour code?
02:42 <Monkey_arma> (second is worded slightly better)
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02:45 <luke-jr> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=How_to_become_a_resource_repository_mirror
02:45 <ct|kyle> only on 1 lines
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02:57 <luke-jr> http://resource.armagetronad.net/
02:57 <luke-jr> what mirror do you guys get?
03:03 <luke-jr> just setup six on lightfoot-ct
03:19 <ivantis> i just do RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_CLIENT http://ivantis.net/cgi/resource.php?map= now
03:19 <ivantis> a little slow, but it works
03:24 <ct|kyle> ivantis: Warning:  fopen("http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/mayhem/", "r") - Address family not supported by protocol in /www/cgi/resource.php on line 4
03:24 <ct|kyle> Address not found
03:24 <ivantis> hold on
03:24 <ivantis> im fixing that right now
03:25 <Valathar> :< he left
03:25 <ivantis> who left? epsy?
03:25 <Valathar> <epsy> Valathar, 0.2.8-armagetronad-sty should be updated <---didnt work
03:25 <Valathar> lol
03:25 <Valathar> oh well ill try the ct one
03:25 <ivantis> yeah
03:25 <ivantis> its cool
03:26 <teabot> armacommits: [0.2.8-armagetronad-sty] r880 fixed unseen conflicts
03:26 <ct|kyle> .ctwf
03:26 <tronner> ct|kyle: Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress: Players (0/14):
03:26 <ivantis> ct|kyle: try it now
03:27 <ivantis> fixed
03:27 <ct|kyle> now if it displayed the XML text
03:28 <ivantis> i could do a headers thing...
03:28 <ivantis> so it would be in XML format
03:28 <ct|kyle> why not make ti like http://crazy-tronners.com/resource/Levi/fortress/Nederland-1.0.1.aamap.xml
03:29 <luke-jr> why doesn't ct make a proper mirror?
03:29 <ivantis> its only cters
03:29 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: what do you mean
03:29 <ivantis> maps
03:29 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: [19:45:22] <luke-jr> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=How_to_become_a_resource_repository_mirror
03:30 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: maybe when we move our stuff
03:31 <ct|kyle> we are moving our web vm's in the next month
03:33 <Valathar> hmm
03:34 <Valathar> okay i give up :s
03:34 <luke-jr> WHY
03:34 <Valathar> tried the newly updated src that he updated specifically for me as well as the ct one
03:34 <Valathar> theres still no team name change commands
03:35 <ct|kyle> so luke-jr if we add maps to our repository will they upload to official?
03:35 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: …
03:35 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: http://beta.armagetronad.net/addmaps.php
03:35 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: that is crappy
03:35 <ct|kyle> + i forgot my password i think
03:35 <luke-jr> … wtf do you expect it to do?
03:36 <luke-jr> it's an uploader
03:38 <ivantis> ct|kyle: http://ivantis.net/cgi/resource.php?repo=resource.crazy-tronners.com
03:38 <ivantis> i added repo and dir
03:39 <ct|kyle> actually luke-jr my username and password don't work anymore on map uploader
03:39 <ivantis> the defaults if not given are repo=resource.armagetronad.net and dir=resource
03:39 <luke-jr> sweet
03:39 <luke-jr> a free open proxy
03:39 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: why not?
03:40 <ivantis> luke-jr: theres a bunch of free open proxy
03:40 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: your system who knows what you did
03:40 <ivantis> sides, its not my system at steak
03:40 <luke-jr> ivantis: yeah, but this one gets *you* banned
03:40 <ivantis> me banned? how?
03:40 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: you probably changed your password and forgot
03:40 <ivantis> just assign him a new one
03:40 <ivantis> mr. sysadmin
03:41 <luke-jr> like HcLwmS?
03:41 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: never mind i misread and misstyped what it said
03:41 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: ok
03:42 <ct|kyle> but still the uploaded sucks
03:42 <luke-jr> …
03:42 <ivantis> why not just run your own like me?
03:42 <ivantis> http://resource.space-lab.us/resource/
03:43 <ct|kyle> ivantis: that is what we do
03:43 <luke-jr> ivantis: probably because he doesn't want to be retarded like you
03:43 <ivantis> whatever
03:44 <ct|kyle> and luke-jr i think the problem was out dtd's would not work with your uploader
03:44 <ivantis> wait...
03:44 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: so what happened to asking in the dev forum for the DTD to be added?
03:44 <ivantis> i cant upload because i cant get to those sites
03:44 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: takes time to do that
03:44 <luke-jr> ivantis: I thought you changed to a working DNS server
03:45 <ivantis> luke-jr: it didnt work
03:45 <ct|kyle> when luke-jr we can just have it with ours
03:45 <ivantis> anyway, how come it doesnt work?
03:45 <luke-jr> that's a good question
03:46 <ivantis> off subject: do subdomains work on IPs?
03:46 <luke-jr> …
03:46 <luke-jr> wtf does that mean
03:46 <ivantis> like if i wanted something.63.245.159.128
03:46 <ivantis> or whatever my new IP is
03:48 <ivantis> where do i upload stuff?
03:49 <ivantis> i use webdico.com/red for a proxy
03:50 <luke-jr> ivantis: http://beta.armagetronad.net/addmaps.php
03:50 <luke-jr> and no, you can't put arbitrary data in from of an IP
03:50 <luke-jr> and yes, I did find a problem with the DNS setup
03:50 <ivantis> did you fix it?
03:50 <luke-jr> and I just fired off an email yelling at Dreamhost
03:50 <luke-jr> it's not something I can fix
03:50 <ivantis> oic
03:51 <luke-jr> Dreamhost is claiming to be authoritative for dashjr.org
03:51 <luke-jr> when they're not
03:51 <luke-jr> idiots
03:51 <ivantis> btw, why can i not make the domain (example, space-lab.us) a CNAME?
03:51 <luke-jr> because SLDs can't be CNAMEs
03:51 <ivantis> only subdomains of it, like www.space-lab.us
03:51 <ivantis> why not?
03:52 <ivantis> and whats an SLD?
03:52 <luke-jr> because CNAMEs don't work the way you think they do
03:52 <Valathar> damnit
03:52 <luke-jr> Second-Level-Domain
03:52 <ivantis> ah
03:52 <Valathar> well since the update ive gotten the feature i wanted to work
03:52 <Valathar> BUT
03:52 <ivantis> dont throw your butts at me
03:52 <ivantis> but what?
03:53 <Valathar> now the server no longer shows on the server list and talk with master is on
03:53 <Valathar> :<
03:53 <luke-jr> Valathar: you should just get a server from http://lightfoot.dashjr.org
03:53 <ivantis> hey, just like what happened to me
03:53 <ivantis> luke-jr, check your master server log
03:53 <luke-jr> I don't have a master server dummy
03:53 <ivantis> dont you host MS 1?
03:53 <luke-jr> no
03:53 <ivantis> who does?
03:54 <luke-jr> probably z-man
03:54 <ivantis> yeah
03:54 <ivantis> germany-hosted?
03:54 <luke-jr> no clue
03:54 <luke-jr> what's its IP?
03:54 <ivantis> idk
03:54 <ivantis> @dns master1.armagetronad.net
03:54 <teabot> ivantis: 80.135.45.42
03:55 <luke-jr> @dns 80.135.45.42
03:55 <teabot> luke-jr: p50872D2A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de
03:55 <luke-jr> yeah
03:55 <luke-jr> German
03:55 <luke-jr> Köln
03:55  * luke-jr ponders
03:55 <ivantis> @dns 63.245.166.124
03:55 <teabot> ivantis: 63-245-166-124.kitusa.com
03:55 <luke-jr> @dns [dns google.com]
03:55 <teabot> luke-jr: py-in-f99.google.com
03:56 <ivantis> how do ISPs setup DNS like that?
03:56 <luke-jr> …
03:56 <Valathar> hmm ran in verbose it says it succeeded in MS 1 and failed in MS2 and yet the servers not in the list
03:56 <ivantis> like my DNS is <ip, dots replaced with dashes>.kitusa.com
03:56 <luke-jr> …
03:57 <luke-jr> learn what a PTR record is
04:04 <Valathar> aha got it
04:05 <ivantis> my dtd cant pass validation
04:05 <Lucifer> that's odd, I thought I"d removed shttpd from the game already
04:05 <luke-jr> ivantis: english
04:05 <ivantis> ?
04:06 <Lucifer> wel, I just watched it compile, and I could have sworn I'd pulled it out
04:06 <ivantis> i tried to upload my dtd which contains the zone type teleport, and it said
04:06 <ivantis> ...
04:06 <ivantis> ERROR: Validation failed!
04:06 <ivantis> map-0.2.8_hax.dtd:2: parser error : StartTag: invalid element name
04:06 <ivantis> <!ELEMENT Resource (Map)>
04:06 <ivantis>  ^
04:06 <ivantis> map-0.2.8_hax.dtd:2: parser error : Extra content at the end of the document
04:06 <ivantis> <!ELEMENT Resource (Map)>
04:06 <ivantis>  ^
04:07 <luke-jr> ivantis: you can't upload DTDs with that
04:07 <ivantis> why?
04:07 <luke-jr> it can't validate DTDs
04:07 <luke-jr> DTDs need to be submitted on the Development forum
04:08 <ivantis> like how? just add an upload to it?
04:08 <luke-jr> make a post asking to have it made official
04:08 <ivantis> ok
04:09 <ivantis> wait, can i use like on the map for the DTD field, ivantis/dtds/map-0.2.8_hax.dtd(host)?
04:10 <ivantis> like...
04:11 <ivantis> <!DOCTYPE Resource SYSTEM "ivantis/dtds/map-0.2.8_hax.dtd(http://resource.space-lab.us/resource/ivantis/dtds/map-0.2.8_hax.dtd)">
04:11 <luke-jr> no
04:12 <ivantis> hmm?
04:12 <luke-jr> …
04:12 <ct|kyle> like i said muh better not being official
04:12 <ivantis> oh
04:17 <ivantis> luke-jr: why dont you just make resource.armagetronad.net a CNAME to one.resource.aa.dashjr.org? that one works for me
04:18 <luke-jr> ivantis: because that would defeat the purpose of having mirrors
04:18 <luke-jr> and wouldn't work any better
04:18 <ivantis> oic
04:20 <ivantis> should resource.armagetronad.net one.resource.aa.dashjr.org be in my /etc/hosts file then?
04:20 <luke-jr> no
04:20 <ivantis> what should it be?
04:21 <luke-jr> ..
04:22 <Lucifer> why can't I push my branch?  :(
04:22 <ivantis> maybe the launchpad servers are messed up
04:22 <ivantis> i couldnt push mine either
04:23 <ivantis> today
04:23 <Monkey_arma> thanks for answering ...much appreciated
04:23 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: wh diden't you tell me to use python
04:23 <Monkey_arma> i'll ask things regularly in here
04:23 <Monkey_arma> nice
04:23 <Lucifer> er, when?
04:24 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: you read what i said right?
04:24 <ct|kyle> Monkey_arma: it only takes effect on the 1 line
04:24 <Monkey_arma> ye
04:24 <Monkey_arma> thx
04:25 <ct|kyle> i donno Lucifer :D, i just started Wednesday, i am liking it though
04:26 <ivantis> Lucifer: do you get this error?
04:26 <ivantis>  bzr push lp:~ivantis/armagetronad/sty+ct+ivantis
04:26 <ivantis> bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()
04:26 <Lucifer> yeah, that's the error I'm getting
04:26  * Lucifer suspects either permissions problems or key problems
04:27  * ivantis suspects that someone screwed up big-time with a major typo
04:27 <ivantis> in a server config file
04:28  * ivantis is thinking of getting a nice fast internet connection to host his and friends websites, what company should he turn to?
04:29 <ivantis> and then my server wont be in lag hell, yay!
04:29  * luke-jr suspects ivantis has no clue about what to suspect
04:30 <ivantis> what company, and what speed should i get for that kind of thing?
04:30 <luke-jr> ivantis: you can't get a low-latency connection at a residential address
04:30 <ivantis> why not?
04:30 <luke-jr> you'd just end up paying 2-3 times for the same service
04:31 <ivantis> thats stupid
04:31 <luke-jr> because low-latency generally needs them to run a dedicated wire
04:31 <luke-jr> or something
04:31 <luke-jr> yes, it is stupid
04:31 <luke-jr> that's why all the game servers I host are not at home
04:31 <ivantis> generally, but why cant it be a not dedicated wire?
04:31 <luke-jr> because then you need a modem
04:32 <luke-jr> I guess
04:32 <luke-jr> and modems add latency
04:32 <ivantis> whats wrong with that then?
04:32 <ivantis> just a little more latency
04:33 <ivantis> and why cant it be a residential address?
04:33 <luke-jr> it's not a "little" more
04:33 <ivantis> yeah sure, its a lot more
04:34 <ivantis> but wouldnt it only be more for the setup fee?
04:36 <ivantis> here is a quote from c10uds hosting site: NOTE: My server's are on a commercial cable connection, which is fine most of the time, but if you need a server hosted at a datacenter, check out luke-jr's hosting .
04:36 <ivantis> his are probably in his home right?
04:36 <ivantis> you can get commercial cable connections like that i think
04:36 <luke-jr> ivantis: it's still cable, not any faster
04:37 <luke-jr> you're just "allowed" to run servers
04:37 <ivantis> ? what do you mean "allowed" to run servers?
04:39 <luke-jr> usually they say it's against the rules
04:39 <ivantis> the ISP?
04:40 <luke-jr> yes
04:41 <ivantis> they havent yelled at me
04:41 <luke-jr> most don't
04:41 <ivantis> anyway, i think his connection is definetly faster than mine
04:41 <luke-jr> unlikely
04:42 <ivantis> i can only host 1 8-slot server, and still huge lags and network time-outs
04:42 <luke-jr> well, then maybe your ISP just sucks
04:42 <ivantis> yeah
04:43 <ivantis> thats what i though
04:43 <ivantis> t
04:43 <ivantis> i only pay $20 a month for internet
04:43 <ivantis> what do you think c10ud pays?
04:43 <ct|kyle> ivantis: his is not at home
04:43 <ivantis> he gets it from road runner, which is not available in my area
04:43 <ivantis> ct|kyle: where then?
04:44 <luke-jr> oh right
04:44 <ct|kyle> ivantis: it is at his dads church
04:44 <ivantis> o
04:44 <luke-jr> at a church
04:44 <ct|kyle> ya
04:44 <Lucifer> aha, had to login :)
04:44 <ivantis> oh yeah, if you just go to the plain IP of flynnsarcade.net, its the church website
04:44 <ivantis> his dads the pastor i think
04:45 <luke-jr> but still, I think an ISP would consider a church as a residential address probably
04:45 <ivantis> why?
04:45 <ivantis> no one lives there
04:45 <luke-jr> it's not on a business street?
04:45 <luke-jr> zoning and stuff
04:46 <ivantis> so if they think youre not a business, they charge you more?
04:46 <luke-jr> …
04:46 <luke-jr> no
04:46 <ivantis> ?
04:46 <luke-jr> if they think you're a business, they charge you more
04:46 <ivantis> oh
04:46 <luke-jr> but the cable is still the same
04:46 <ivantis> wait, what?
04:46  * ivantis is confused
04:47 <ivantis> so it would be cheaper if i wasnt a business?
04:47 <luke-jr> yes
04:47 <luke-jr> what you're paying now
04:48 <ivantis> really?
04:48 <ivantis> and probably faster
04:48 <ivantis> but the internet company here, Sunflower Broadband, is a huge monopoly of cable, telephone. internet
04:49 <ivantis> they try and bribe you with their "Supreme package"
04:49 <luke-jr> usual story
04:49 <ivantis> theres an AT&T building, but i dont think they do internet service yet
04:49 <ivantis> i get my net from out of town
04:49 <ivantis> kitusa.com
04:50 <ivantis> know what would be a cool job? being an ISP
04:50 <luke-jr> my uncle does that
04:50 <ivantis> cool
04:51 <Valathar> ok yet another dumb question on this ctf server with the default ctf cfg file in single player mode its letting me pick up BOTH flags mins and the enemy teams
04:51 <Valathar> how do i fix that
04:53 <ct|kyle> .cfg2 flag
04:53 <tronner> ct|kyle: FLAG_BLINK_END: flag_blink_end_help || FLAG_BLINK_ESTIMATE_POSITION: flag_blink_estimate_position_help || FLAG_BLINK_ON_TIME: flag_blink_on_time_help || FLAG_BLINK_START: flag_blink_start_help || FLAG_BLINK_TIME: flag_blink_time_help || FLAG_BLINK_TRACK_TIME: flag_blink_track_time_help || FLAG_CHAT_BLINK_TIME: flag_chat_blink_time_help || FLAG_COLOR_B: flag_color_b_help || FLAG_COLOR_G: (2 more messages)
04:53 <ct|kyle> .more
04:53 <tronner> ct|kyle: flag_color_g_help || FLAG_COLOR_R: flag_color_r_help || FLAG_DROP_HOME: flag_drop_home_help || FLAG_DROP_TIME: flag_drop_time_help || FLAG_HOLD_SCORE: flag_hold_score_help || FLAG_HOLD_SCORE_TIME: flag_hold_score_time_help || FLAG_HOLD_TIME: flag_hold_time_help || FLAG_HOME_RANDOMNESS_X: flag_home_randomness_x_help || FLAG_HOME_RANDOMNESS_Y: flag_home_randomness_y_help || (1 more message)
04:54 <ct|kyle> .more
04:54 <tronner> ct|kyle: FLAG_REQUIRED_HOME: flag_required_home_help || FLAG_TEAM: flag_team_help || SCORE_FLAG: score_flag_help
04:54 <ct|kyle> Valathar: probably flag_team
04:54 <ct|kyle> most likely that needs to be 1 if it is 0
04:58 <Monkey_arma> Did you hear that some girl uploaded a 3D pinball game onto a file share site and the game makers/publishers traced her and she got fined £16,000!?
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05:03 <arrow> e.commail googl
05:26 <Lucifer> weee, sometime in the next 3 hours, I'll hit 48 hours since my last cigarette
05:27 <Lucifer> it's important because the physical withdrawal is supposed to peak between 48 and 72 hours, and end around 100 hours or so
05:28 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-armagetronad-work] r699 Factored tResource and tResourceManager into their own place...
05:28 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: you read too much
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05:28 <Lucifer> ?
05:28 <Lucifer> why do you say that?
05:28 <ct|kyle> you read too much
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06:05 <Valathar> .cfg2 axes
06:05 <tronner> Valathar: ARENA_AXES: In how many directions a cycle can turn 4 is the default, 6 is hexatron || ARENA_AXES_OVERRIDE: Block out older clients when ARENA_AXES differs from its default? || AXES_INDICATOR: Should the Axis Indicator be rendered?
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12:44 <kidanger> #ls hoop
12:44 <teabot> kidanger: hoop has last been seen on TESTING 5 hours 13 minutes ago.
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19:47 <Lucifer> it annoys me that every time I change tResourceManager.h, half the game has to be rebuilt
19:52 <epsy> after two days i could finally find out how to import this from svn, woohoo
19:54 <Lucifer> ?
19:54  * Lucifer managed to push back to lp:armagetronad
19:54 <epsy> i got to hit a lot of weird stuff, just from using bzr to merge some svn stuff into a bzr branch
19:55 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: how is your critical day going?
19:55 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: critically
19:55 <epsy> in fact, i was getting negative revision numbers instead of a merge Oo
19:55 <Lucifer> this is the day physical withdrawal is supposed to peak, and its peaking alright
19:55 <Lucifer> heh, negative revision numbers...  ;)
19:56 <Lucifer> well, it's now theoretically possible to register a resource type with the resource manager
19:56 <Lucifer> it's not yet possible to retrieve registered types, though
19:56 <Lucifer> heh
19:56 <epsy> haha
19:57 <epsy> right, let's see how lp likes it when i push without asking it first..
19:57 <epsy> great :)
20:00 <Lucifer> I think I'm gonna pull tResourcePath out of that file too
20:01  * Lucifer wonders why it's in there now
20:02 <Lucifer> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
20:03  * Lucifer thinks tResourcePath needs to be dismantled and put into tResource
20:35 <epsy> what does tResourcePath do?
20:49 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-http-auth-server-work] r2 Merged from svn || [trunk-http-auth-server-work] r1 Empty commit to not make bzr merge screw up || [trunk-http-auth-server-work] redirects back... || [trunk-http-auth-server-work] moar typos... || [trunk-http-auth-server-work] fixed bugs typos and turtles... || [trunk-http-auth-server-work] typo || [trunk-http-auth-server-work] some old stuff i forgot to commit...
20:50 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: still on your tea / water /juice cycle?
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22:26 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: somehwat
22:26 <Lucifer> why?
22:26 <Lucifer> it's supposed to taper off today
22:26 <Lucifer> right now I"m on my "Where the fuck is my wife?" cycle
22:26 <Lucifer> she said she'd be back "soon", she's been gone all day
22:26 <Lucifer> storm blowing in, and if she doesn't hurry back, I won't be able to ride today
22:27 <ivantis> "Why must there always be a problem?" --George Costanza
22:27 <ivantis> From "The Frogger"
22:31 <luke-jr> Lucifer: she's out spending all your money
22:40 <ivantis> did you know that Apple Inc.'s street address is 1 Infinite Loop, Cupertino, CA 95014?
22:41 <ivantis> a stupid made-up street name, just like that tire place here is on 4 Wheel Drive
22:44 <ivantis> fantastic
22:44 <ivantis> right when i have a school project, due tomorrow, that needs to be printed, my printer is out of colored ink
22:47 <ivantis> anyone have a 78 HP Tri-color Print Cartridge? e-send it to me
23:00 <luke-jr> ivantis: time to put in that spare
23:00 <ivantis> the one that doesnt exist?
23:01 <luke-jr> oh right
23:01 <luke-jr> HP doesn't allow you to buy spares
23:01 <luke-jr> sucks to be you
23:01 <luke-jr> print in greyscale
23:01 <ivantis> no
23:01 <ivantis> it has to be color
23:01 <ivantis> but, wth, im failing social studies already anyway...
23:06 <ivantis> why do interpreted programs not work as a shell for users?
23:06 <epsy> because you forgot to but #!/path/to/interpreter ?
23:10 <ivantis> no
23:10 <ivantis> not because of that
23:10 <ivantis> compiled programs work, but interpreted just returns to the old prompt
23:10 <ivantis> oh well
23:10 <ivantis> what did you say the C++ library was for the system() line?
23:14 <epsy> @man system
23:14 <teabot> epsy: http://man.gnusquad.org/?q=system&exact=1
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23:39 <ivantis> @sd space-lab
23:39 <teabot> ivantis: SPACE-LAB Shooting!: Players (0/8):
23:39 <ivantis> @sd -v space-lab
23:39 <teabot> ivantis: SPACE-LAB Shooting! (63.245.159.78:4537) running 0.2.8_alpha20080719 unix dedicated, url: http://arma.ivantis.net, Description: “Some Lag, some Bugs, some Idiots.“, Players (0/8):
23:39 <ivantis> odd
23:40 <ivantis> i wonder why the DNS isnt armaserver.space-lab.us like i told it to be
23:42 <epsy>  did you set it in the config files?
23:42 <ivantis> yeah
23:42 <epsy> SERVER_DNS ivant.us ?
23:43 <ivantis> like that
23:43 <ivantis> yeah
23:43 <ivantis> but i want ivant.is
23:43 <ivantis> .is is for iceland
23:43 <epsy> good luck with that
23:43 <epsy> @dns ivant.is
23:43 <teabot> epsy: Host not found.
23:44 <ivantis> @dns nic.is
23:44 <epsy> maybe it's a sanity check
23:44 <teabot> ivantis: 193.4.58.17
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23:44 <ivantis> you have to live in iceland to have one tho
23:44 <ivantis> @cctld iceland
23:44 <epsy> haha pwnt
23:44 <teabot> ivantis: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
23:44 <ivantis> @cctld land
23:44 <teabot> ivantis: '    * .ac \xe2\x80\x93 Ascension Island *    * .an \xe2\x80\x93 Netherlands Antilles\n    * .ax \xe2\x80\x93 \xc3\x85land Islands\n    * .bv \xe2\x80\x93 Bouvet Island (not in use; no registrations)\n    * .cc \xe2\x80\x93 Cocos (Keeling) Islands *\n    * .ch \xe2\x80\x93 Switzerland *\n    * .ck \xe2\x80\x93 Cook Islands *\n    * .cx \xe2\x80\x93 Christmas Island *\n    * .fi \xe2\x80\x93 Finland\n    * (3 more messages)
23:44 <ivantis> @more
23:44 <teabot> ivantis: .fk \xe2\x80\x93 Falkland Islands\n    * .fo \xe2\x80\x93 Faroe Islands\n    * .gl \xe2\x80\x93 Greenland *\n    * .gs \xe2\x80\x93 South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands *\n    * .hm \xe2\x80\x93 Heard Island and McDonald Islands *\n    * .ie \xe2\x80\x93 Ireland\n    * .is \xe2\x80\x93 Iceland *\n    * .ky \xe2\x80\x93 Cayman Islands\n    * .mh \xe2\x80\x93 Marshall Islands\n    * .mp \xe2\x80\x93 (2 more messages)
23:45 <ivantis> yeah
23:45 <ivantis> iceland
23:45 <ivantis> @cctld Iceland
23:45 <teabot> ivantis:     * .is – Iceland *
23:45 <ivantis> mm hmm
23:45 <ivantis> @cctld .is
23:45 <teabot> ivantis: '    * .af \xe2\x80\x93 Afghanistan    * .bv \xe2\x80\x93 Bouvet Island (not in use; no registrations)\n    * .cx \xe2\x80\x93 Christmas Island *\n    * .gw \xe2\x80\x93 Guinea-Bissau\n    * .io \xe2\x80\x93 British Indian Ocean Territory *\n    * .is \xe2\x80\x93 Iceland *\n    * .kn \xe2\x80\x93 Saint Kitts and Nevis\n    * .pk \xe2\x80\x93 Pakistan *\n    * .sj \xe2\x80\x93 Svalbard and Jan Mayen islands (1 more message)
23:46 <ivantis> @dns nic.bv
23:46 <teabot> ivantis: Host not found.
23:46 <ivantis> hmm
23:46 <ivantis> i want a .bv one too
23:46 <ivantis> @.com
23:46 <ivantis> @cctld .com
23:46 <teabot> ivantis: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
23:46 <ivantis> @cctld .us
23:46 <teabot> ivantis: '    * .at \xe2\x80\x93 Austria *    * .au \xe2\x80\x93 Australia\n    * .bv \xe2\x80\x93 Bouvet Island (not in use; no registrations)\n    * .by \xe2\x80\x93 Belarus\n    * .cy \xe2\x80\x93 Cyprus\n    * .mu \xe2\x80\x93 Mauritius *\n    * .ru \xe2\x80\x93 Russia *\n    * .sj \xe2\x80\x93 Svalbard and Jan Mayen islands (not in use; no registrations)\n    * .tp \xe2\x80\x93 East Timor (deprecated (1 more message)
23:47 <ivantis> how do i make grep not recognize .'s as wildcards?
23:47 <epsy> \.
23:48 <ivantis> @cctld \.us
23:48 <teabot> ivantis: '    * .at \xe2\x80\x93 Austria *    * .au \xe2\x80\x93 Australia\n    * .bv \xe2\x80\x93 Bouvet Island (not in use; no registrations)\n    * .by \xe2\x80\x93 Belarus\n    * .cy \xe2\x80\x93 Cyprus\n    * .mu \xe2\x80\x93 Mauritius *\n    * .ru \xe2\x80\x93 Russia *\n    * .sj \xe2\x80\x93 Svalbard and Jan Mayen islands (not in use; no registrations)\n    * .tp \xe2\x80\x93 East Timor (deprecated (1 more message)
23:48 <epsy> @cctld "\.us"
23:48 <teabot> epsy: '    * .at \xe2\x80\x93 Austria *    * .au \xe2\x80\x93 Australia\n    * .bv \xe2\x80\x93 Bouvet Island (not in use; no registrations)\n    * .by \xe2\x80\x93 Belarus\n    * .cy \xe2\x80\x93 Cyprus\n    * .mu \xe2\x80\x93 Mauritius *\n    * .ru \xe2\x80\x93 Russia *\n    * .sj \xe2\x80\x93 Svalbard and Jan Mayen islands (not in use; no registrations)\n    * .tp \xe2\x80\x93 East Timor (deprecated \xe2\x80\x93 (1 more message)
23:48 <epsy> @cctld '\.us'
23:48 <teabot> epsy:     * .us – United States *
23:48 <epsy> :)
23:50 <ivantis> @cctld .us
23:50 <teabot> ivantis: '    * .at \xe2\x80\x93 Austria *    * .au \xe2\x80\x93 Australia\n    * .bv \xe2\x80\x93 Bouvet Island (not in use; no registrations)\n    * .by \xe2\x80\x93 Belarus\n    * .cy \xe2\x80\x93 Cyprus\n    * .mu \xe2\x80\x93 Mauritius *\n    * .ru \xe2\x80\x93 Russia *\n    * .sj \xe2\x80\x93 Svalbard and Jan Mayen islands (not in use; no registrations)\n    * .tp \xe2\x80\x93 East Timor (deprecated (1 more message)
23:50 <ivantis> dangit
23:50 <ivantis> @cctld \.us
23:50 <teabot> ivantis: '    * .at \xe2\x80\x93 Austria *    * .au \xe2\x80\x93 Australia\n    * .bv \xe2\x80\x93 Bouvet Island (not in use; no registrations)\n    * .by \xe2\x80\x93 Belarus\n    * .cy \xe2\x80\x93 Cyprus\n    * .mu \xe2\x80\x93 Mauritius *\n    * .ru \xe2\x80\x93 Russia *\n    * .sj \xe2\x80\x93 Svalbard and Jan Mayen islands (not in use; no registrations)\n    * .tp \xe2\x80\x93 East Timor (deprecated (1 more message)
23:50 <ivantis> ?
23:50 <epsy> dude
23:50 <epsy> you can't even read
23:50 <ivantis> @cctld .us
23:50 <teabot> ivantis:     * .us – United States *
23:51 <ivantis> aha
23:51 <ivantis> now it works
23:51 <ivantis> bad line in my code
23:51 <ivantis> @cctld .com
23:51 <teabot> ivantis: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
23:51 <ivantis> @cctld .org
23:51 <teabot> ivantis:     * .so – Somalia * (down, still is delegated to Monolith [ml.org] Philadelphia, an entity defunct since end-1998)
23:51 <epsy> whoa, launchpad's ATOM feeds sucks :x
23:51 <ivantis> @cctld .ep
23:51 <teabot> ivantis: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
23:51 <ivantis> @cctld .os
23:51 <teabot> ivantis: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
23:51 <epsy> takes hours before commits show up
23:51 <ivantis> @cctld .oc
23:51 <teabot> ivantis: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
23:52 <ivantis> @cctld .co
23:52 <teabot> ivantis:     * .co – Colombia
23:52 <ivantis> @cctld .pi
23:52 <teabot> ivantis: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
23:52 <ivantis> @cctld sy
23:52 <teabot> ivantis: '    * .ye \xe2\x80\x93 Yemen    * .yt \xe2\x80\x93 Mayotte\n'
23:52 <ivantis> @cctld .sy
23:52 <teabot> ivantis:     * .sy – Syria *
23:52 <ivantis> ep.sy
23:52 <epsy> @cctld .mg
23:52 <teabot> epsy:     * .mg – Madagascar
23:52 <ivantis> buy that one
23:52 <epsy> @dns zo.mg
23:52 <teabot> epsy: Host not found.
23:52 <epsy> :D
23:52 <ivantis> and buy that one
23:53 <epsy> and buy and buy and buy
23:53 <ivantis> @cctld .4
23:53 <teabot> ivantis: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
23:53 <ivantis> @cctld .ch
23:53 <teabot> ivantis:     * .ch – Switzerland *
23:53 <ivantis> bit.ch!
23:53 <epsy> ivant.us!
23:53 <ivantis> ivantis.is
23:53 <epsy> /ghey
23:53 <ivantis> ivant.is**
23:53 <ivantis>  /
23:53 <epsy> @dns ep.sy
23:53 <teabot> epsy: Host not found.
23:54 <epsy> @g wikipedia .sy
23:54 <teabot> epsy: http://mg.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia - Wikipedia - Wikipedia
23:54 <ivantis> @cctld .biz
23:54 <teabot> ivantis: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
23:54 <ivantis> @cctld .ss
23:54 <epsy> now how come it gets on mg
23:54 <teabot> ivantis: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
23:54 <teabot> armacommits: [trunk-http-auth-server-work] r3 config.php -> config.php.example || [trunk-http-auth-client-work] r3 config.php -> config.php.example || [trunk-http-auth-client-work] r2 added config.php to .bzrignore || [trunk-http-auth-client-work] r1 Initial import
23:55 <WelshDragon> teabot is such a spammer
23:55 <ivantis> @cctld .on
23:55 <teabot> ivantis: Error: I tried to send you an empty message.
23:55 <ivantis> @cctld .me
23:55 <teabot> ivantis:     * .me – Montenegro
23:55 <ivantis> blow.me
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23:56 <ivantis> i think Lcuifer said that one already
23:56 <ivantis> http://resource.plantpeanuts.co.uk/resource/
23:56 <epsy> WelshDragon, only when spammed
23:56 <ivantis> @dns resource.plantpeanuts.co.uk
23:56 <teabot> ivantis: 87.106.101.25
23:57 -!- G5_ [n=G5@p57962587.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Over and out."]
23:57 <ivantis> http://resource.plantpeanuts.co.uk/
23:57 <epsy> ivantis, that's their own repo, not a mirror
23:57 <ivantis> o
23:57 -!- G5 [n=G5@p57962587.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #Armagetron
23:58 <epsy> @dns resource.armagetronad.net
23:58 <teabot> epsy: 65.18.192.127
23:58 <epsy> bah
23:58 <ivantis> still doesnt work

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