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Log from 2008-07-25: --- Day changed Fri Jul 25 2008 00:01 -!- G5 [n=G5@p57962758.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Over and out."] 00:02 -!- Monkey_arma [n=Monkey@unaffiliated/monkeyarma] has joined #armagetron 00:03 -!- emmy_arma [n=peiaeman@pc232133.static.is.airbites.ro] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:41 -!- MaZuffeR [i=MaZuffeR@dsl-hkibrasgw1-fea4de00-211.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:43 -!- samsoffes [n=samsoffe@66.142.200.231] has quit [] 00:50 <Flex> Lucifer, http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18566 00:51 <Lucifer> Flex: I hope you're telling me about that thread because you actually want me to ask you to just update the current tutorials on the wiki 00:51 <epsy> lol 00:51 <Lucifer> where fortress play was covered in depth a year ago or so, but hasn't been updated since 00:52 <Flex> more importantly.. something to end this thing about a tutorial.. 00:52 <Flex> brb 00:57 <luke-jr> Pathetique: Flash is utter trash 00:57 <Pathetique> That's nice. 00:57 <Pathetique> ¬.¬ 00:57 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr agreed 00:58 * Monkey_arma does not use flash 00:58 <Pathetique> /admin rename luke-jr Captain Buzzkill 00:58 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: you're not allowed to agree with me 00:58 * Monkey_arma disagrees with luke-jr 00:58 * Monkey_arma still does not use flash 00:59 <epsy> /admin ACCESS_LEVEL AGREE_WITH_LUKE 0 00:59 <Pathetique> I suggested flash because of the fact that almost every browser comes with it now and the fact that it is easy to animate things in 01:00 <Pathetique> Often times I've found myself playing against other teenagers, and nothing explains a concept like a picture 01:00 <Monkey_arma> Pathetique no not every browser comes with it 01:00 <Pathetique> I know 01:00 <Monkey_arma> its a separate plugin 01:00 <Pathetique> That's why I said almost 01:00 <Monkey_arma> im talking about firefox 01:00 <Monkey_arma> and probably others 01:00 <Pathetique> yes 01:00 <Pathetique> well 01:00 <Pathetique> lets not nitpick 01:00 <Pathetique> <.< 01:01 <Lucifer> if you don't want to nitpick, don't talk to luke-jr (hi there!) 01:01 <Pathetique> I wasn't...lol 01:01 <epsy> lol 01:01 <Monkey_arma> Pathetique> I suggested flash because of the fact that almost every browser comes with it no <--- NO that is NOT correct (dBd style btw) 01:01 <epsy> Liza, :O ! 01:01 <Pathetique> -.- 01:01 <Pathetique> Back on track. 01:02 <Monkey_arma> i dont think ANY browsers come with it 01:02 <epsy> Track on back! 01:02 <Liza> ? 01:02 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: not afaik 01:02 <Pathetique> Monkey, I get the point. 01:02 <luke-jr> Pathetique: you get that you're 100% wrong? 01:02 <Pathetique> I don't think there's any need to beat a dead horse, yaddamean? 01:02 <luke-jr> are you dead yet? 01:02 <Pathetique> ... 01:02 <luke-jr> if not, we can keep beating you 01:02 <luke-jr> :D 01:02 <Pathetique> Anyways. 01:03 <StickyNoob> Pathetique: on a side note i seem to remember that the jvm has better penetration than flash 01:03 <Pathetique> Flash is easy enough to animate with, and allows for step by step demonstrations of Fortress tactics that cannot be shown as such in the game. 01:03 <epsy> :O 01:03 <epsy> Liza, :O ! 01:03 <Monkey_arma> jvm = java virtual machine? 01:03 <Pathetique> yes 01:03 <StickyNoob> yeah 01:04 <epsy> jerking virtual motherfucker! 01:04 <Monkey_arma> oh noes java vs flash 01:04 <Monkey_arma> java ftL 01:04 <Monkey_arma> flash ftL 01:04 <StickyNoob> fd 01:04 <StickyNoob> oops 01:04 <StickyNoob> fair enough 01:04 <epsy> yeah but Liza ftw tho 01:04 <StickyNoob> each to his own 01:05 <luke-jr> Java at least isn't abused like Flash 01:05 <epsy> /admin ACCESS_LEVEL AGREE_WITH_LUKE 25 01:05 <Pathetique> But Java can be a huge resource whore. 01:05 <epsy> agreed 01:05 <StickyNoob> myth 01:05 <Pathetique> Poorly written java? 01:06 <Monkey_arma> java = c++ - speed + memory-waste -freedom_to_do_non_compatible_things_if_you_want_to 01:06 <luke-jr> StickyNoob: no, Java is a huge resource hog 01:06 <epsy> sun is about to free java 01:06 <luke-jr> epsy: about to? 01:06 <epsy> ..trough they didn't do it yet 01:06 <luke-jr> I thought they did 01:06 <StickyNoob> luke-jr: its a huge ram hog for small programs due to jvm 01:06 <luke-jr> months ago 01:06 <StickyNoob> for cpu its very competative 01:06 <epsy> no, they still have to rewrite some sound stuff or w/e 01:06 <Pathetique> This is true, Sticky. 01:06 <Monkey_arma> more importantly...who cares....java is not worth caring about 01:06 <luke-jr> StickyNoob: CPU isn't a matter of resources 01:07 <StickyNoob> p 01:07 <Pathetique> idk 01:07 <StickyNoob> cpu cycles are a resource 01:07 <Monkey_arma> java < c++ 01:07 <luke-jr> C++ < C 01:07 <epsy> xD 01:07 <Pathetique> TI-BASIC ftw. 01:07 <StickyNoob> well if you define resources as ram yes java is a hog 01:07 <Pathetique> lolz 01:07 <luke-jr> anyhow, neither C nor C++ are browser-embeddable 01:07 <Monkey_arma> c < visual basic 01:07 <Monkey_arma> (j/k) 01:07 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma wants to be hung 01:07 <epsy> luke-jr, are you sure? :P 01:07 <Pathetique> C < FORTRAN? 01:08 <epsy> Pathetique, Exactly! 01:08 <Pathetique> LOL! 01:08 <luke-jr> ECMAScript > Java > Flash 01:08 <StickyNoob> micro code ftw 01:08 <epsy> C < B 01:08 <Monkey_arma> > D 01:08 <Pathetique> lol epsy 01:08 <epsy> Motherfucker < Bitch 01:08 <epsy> Zomfg! 01:08 <Monkey_arma> luke-jr agreed 01:09 * Monkey_arma agrees in a disagreeing fashion just to please luke 01:09 <Pathetique> anyways, flash can be pretty, most everyone has it now (better? XP) 01:09 <Monkey_arma> if that guy in the forums can make tron in javascript.. 01:09 <Monkey_arma> enough said 01:09 <luke-jr> Pathetique: Flash must die 01:10 <luke-jr> Monkey_arma: it was buggy 01:10 <Pathetique> That's nice. 01:10 <Monkey_arma> but it was technical 01:10 <StickyNoob> it would probably be quite easy to do tron in java script 01:10 <Pathetique> At this point, luke, IDGAF. 01:10 <epsy> StickyNoob, it's already done 01:10 <luke-jr> Pathetique: you're fired 01:10 <luke-jr> StickyNoob: Arma protocol-compatibility would be 01:11 <luke-jr> difficult, that is 01:11 <StickyNoob> well yeah 01:11 <epsy> StickyNoob, http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18165&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60 01:11 <epsy> there: http://www.jangaron.net/ 01:12 <StickyNoob> hmm that site dosent work for me 01:12 <epsy> good start 01:12 <StickyNoob> "enter the grid" does nothing 01:13 <epsy> try the mini version maybe 01:13 <Pathetique> enter the grid takes you to something you can't control very easily 01:14 <luke-jr> StickyNoob: it's buggy 01:14 <luke-jr> it seems to work in Arora tho 01:16 <StickyNoob> think its FF3 it has a problem with 01:17 <StickyNoob> i need to get back into c++, been far too long 01:18 <Monkey_arma> me too 01:18 <Monkey_arma> c++ ftw 01:19 <Monkey_arma> oh and c ftw 01:19 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50872B71.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:22 <StickyNoob> there is far too much language elietism tho... http://xkcd.com/378/ just change all the editor names into languages 01:22 <Pathetique> LOL 01:23 <Monkey_arma> emacs ft LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL 01:24 <Monkey_arma> besides vim is faster than butterflies 01:24 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma clearly misses the point 01:24 <Monkey_arma> no i dont 01:24 <Monkey_arma> u miss the joking im doing 01:25 <Pathetique> lolz 01:25 <Monkey_arma> any way c++ 1z t3h h0nl3y 1337 w4y 2 d0 17 01:26 <luke-jr> StickyNoob: it never worked in Konq 3 01:28 <StickyNoob> hmm 01:32 <StickyNoob> hmm there is an iphone jailbreak 01:33 <StickyNoob> *3g 01:33 <Pathetique> already? o.0 01:33 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lckdscl@ip202-29-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit ["gone! quit! exit! etc."] 01:36 <StickyNoob> id still quite like an openmoko tho 01:38 <Pathetique> openmoko? 01:38 <StickyNoob> an open architecture phone 01:39 <Pathetique> ic 01:39 <StickyNoob> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko 01:40 <epsy> Pathetique, check out the forums, i put a link to an article linking to an article that links it 01:40 <Pathetique> Cool 01:40 <Pathetique> wut 01:40 <epsy> (the iphone jailbreak) 01:40 <Pathetique> oh 01:41 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:41 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron 01:42 <Lizmatic> I ordered the iPhone 3G :) 01:42 <Lizmatic> cant wait till it comes :| 01:43 * Pathetique turns off his brain for a few moments to avoid becoming jealous 01:44 * Pathetique reactivates 01:44 * epsy hopes Lizmatic hasnt made a bad deal 01:45 <StickyNoob> Pathetique: if you need to feel superior just look at your bank balance http://voices.allthingsd.com/files/2008/07/1125.jpg 01:46 <Pathetique> LMAO 01:47 <epsy> :D 01:47 <Pathetique> Is that true, though? 01:48 <epsy> that you will be millionnaire if you dont buy an iphone? 01:48 * Pathetique was going to get the 16 GB iPhone 3G :S 01:49 <Pathetique> No, that's a possible outcome from not getting it. 01:49 <Pathetique> And also they don't say how much you'd have to invest. 01:49 <Pathetique> Probably the amount you'd pay out in order to have the iPhone 01:49 <epsy> it's not meant to be accurate you know 01:49 <Pathetique> Sticky, that made my day. 01:49 <Pathetique> :D 01:50 <StickyNoob> it ignores the time value of money 01:50 <StickyNoob> when you retire 1000000 will be worth alot less than it is today 01:50 <Pathetique> Indeed. 01:50 <Pathetique> I was just about to say, "You mean inflation?" 01:51 <Pathetique> #roulette 01:51 <armabot> Pathetique: *click* 01:51 <epsy> #roulotte 01:51 <epsy> :O 01:52 <epsy> #alias ass roulotte echo $who: *click* 01:52 <epsy> #alias add roulotte echo $who: *click* 01:52 <armabot> epsy: The operation succeeded. 01:52 <epsy> that's a COMMON typo 01:52 <epsy> #roulotte 01:52 <armabot> epsy: *click* 01:52 <StickyNoob> also at 10% interest it would take almost 50 years for 10000 to turn into 1 million 01:54 <Pathetique> lol 01:54 <Pathetique> Exactly, by the time you retire. 01:54 <Pathetique> And that's assuming you don't have any money crisees 01:54 -!- Liza [n=Liza@p5B25E677.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Verlassend"] 01:54 <StickyNoob> only if you are 15 01:54 <Pathetique> ugh god AT&T is so fucking pushy 01:55 <Lucifer> well, if it's USD, then you'll actually lose 3/4 of it's value 01:55 <epsy> what did you think exactly 01:55 <Lucifer> so you're better off putting the same money into assets 01:55 <Pathetique> Indeed 01:55 <Lucifer> like a car that will be a classic in that time :) 01:55 <StickyNoob> Lucifer: what is us inflation atm? 01:55 <Pathetique> LOL 01:55 <Lucifer> StickyNoob: pretty high 01:55 <Pathetique> 1 Euro = something like $1.70 01:55 <epsy> nice comparison 01:55 <Pathetique> mhm 01:56 <Pathetique> raep 01:56 <Pathetique> is what its called 01:56 <Pathetique> there needs to be less "lets trade paper" and more "lets develop wealth through resources that are available to us" in this country >< 01:56 <StickyNoob> UK is doing ok since the banks are desperate for cash the banks are offering great interest rates on their accounts 01:57 <Pathetique> The key interest rate in the US is something like 2.75%, I think...so interest rates are down here, too... 01:57 <Pathetique> Which is bad, because my parents are going to be redoing the house soon 01:57 <Pathetique> and they have money left to them by my grandfather that is effected by the stock market 01:58 <StickyNoob> naa nows the time to sell, wait for the housing market to crash then buy again 01:58 <Pathetique> They already have a zoning variance...now they're just waiting on the architect. 01:58 <Pathetique> There's nothing within their price range in our town, and they really wanna stay here 01:59 <Pathetique> A house that would probabl go for $125k in a place like oklahoma or something would go for around $250k in my town 01:59 <Pathetique> Time to go make dinner. Bbl. 01:59 -!- Pathetique is now known as Pathetique_is_co 02:00 -!- Pathetique_is_co is now known as Path_is_cooking 02:00 <StickyNoob> well thats just property, the place i rent is probably worth 100k maby, in london it would probably be near 3-400 02:09 <epsy> sigh 02:11 -!- Rocky_Spirit [n=rocky@201009128067.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #armagetron 02:21 -!- akira_arma [n=chatzill@77.64.163.32] has quit ["To hell with you."] 02:24 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [".. but he will be back!"] 02:41 <Flex> only 100k? pff 02:43 <Flex> mines only on the 200k range.. 02:43 <Flex> considering the location 02:43 <Flex> pretty poor 02:44 <Flex> Lucifer, on that subject.. i'm not saying update the wiki or give me some sort of credit.. 02:45 <Flex> i'm talking about a proper FAQ guide/tutorial 02:45 <Flex> read the thread.. 02:50 <Flex> anyway.. i don't think there's anybody stepping up to do this.. i'm not prepared to write the whole thing.. i wanted people to contribute to the information 02:54 -!- Rocky_Spirit [n=rocky@201009128067.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:57 <Monkey_arma> Lucifer basically, the wiki sucks 02:57 <Monkey_arma> thats his point 02:57 <Monkey_arma> which i agree with 02:58 <Lucifer> but neither one of you can be bothered to write good, well-informed articles on the wiki 02:58 <Lucifer> I don't get it 02:58 <Flex> no, the wiki don't suck Monkey_arma! the wiki isn't visible.. 02:58 <Monkey_arma> i hate the wiki and wikis in general 02:58 <Flex> Lucifer, just like the screenshot section 02:58 <Lucifer> the whole point of having a wiki is that you people who complain there's no docs and want to make some can have a place to do so 02:58 <Flex> needs to be in a position where people can read it 02:58 <Flex> notice the "official stamp" 02:58 <Monkey_arma> when i do some docs they wont be going on the wiki thats for sure 02:58 <Flex> the part where the developers get involved.. 02:59 <Lucifer> of course not, you're not likely to contribute anything useful 02:59 <Lucifer> /ignore Monkey_arma 02:59 <Monkey_arma> if you wrote that wiki then fuck me 02:59 <Monkey_arma> back to your hole 02:59 <Flex> like i said Lucifer, there's no point to this if it just goes on the wiki.. it needs to have it's section like the screenshots page on the main site.. 02:59 <Lucifer> so, Flex, are you saying you don't want to edit the wiki because it looks too official? 02:59 <Lucifer> er, no 03:00 <Lucifer> if FOrtress was the only type of game, then yes, I'd agree with you 03:00 <Lucifer> there are plenty of ways to make it possible for people to slice the wiki and find what they're looking for 03:00 <Lucifer> but since that requires work, I guess it's not happening 03:00 <Monkey_arma> i will write better docs than you thx 03:00 * Lucifer goes back to reading about rockets, that's more interesting than more of "the wiki sucks, but I'm too lazy to do anything about it" conversation 03:01 <Monkey_arma> gl with that...maybe you can get one to fly u to the moon 03:01 <Flex> Monkey_arma, my thread is there 03:01 <Monkey_arma> where? 03:01 <Flex> contribute to the information.. 03:01 <Monkey_arma> flex at some point im gonna do complete doccs 03:01 <Flex> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=198002#198002 03:01 <Monkey_arma> i seen it 03:02 <Flex> so we need parts to that.. 03:02 <Monkey_arma> i dont work well mixed with other people 03:02 <Flex> haven't had the time to read 03:02 <Flex> LukeSky 03:02 <Monkey_arma> i will do my own docs 03:02 <Monkey_arma> others can do what they liek 03:02 <Flex> 's guide.. but that's pretty much what needs to be worked on 03:03 <Flex> see that's the problem.. there's no hope to this if people keep writing the same guides with different explainations everywhere 03:03 <Flex> but whatever.. GL to that 03:03 <Monkey_arma> thx 03:03 <Monkey_arma> my guides will be complete 03:04 <Lucifer> there's no hope to this if people keep writing the same guides with different explainations everywhere <--- then why won't you update the guide that's already on the wiki? 03:04 <Lucifer> [20:06] [Ignore] Added Flex!* to your ignore list. 03:04 <Flex> that's what i'm planning on you crackface 03:05 <Flex> is he retarded.. 03:05 <Monkey_arma> yes he is 03:05 <Monkey_arma> he makes luke-jr look just about acceptable 03:06 <StickyNoob> i think all these documentation efforts are misguided. i dont think anyone has entered Fort by reading a tutorial and thinking "yeah ill give it a go". the problem is people see a full server so wander in to take a look, then get shouted at and kicked 03:06 <StickyNoob> that is why there are almost no new players 03:07 <Monkey_arma> no thats not why 03:07 <Monkey_arma> people come to tron and either can see its for them or not 03:07 <Monkey_arma> just not many find out about tron 03:07 <Monkey_arma> the website need a severe overhaul for a start 03:07 <StickyNoob> are you talking about tron or fort here? 03:07 <Monkey_arma> both 03:08 <luke-jr> iPhone sux 03:08 <StickyNoob> ggod change of subject, but i agree 03:08 <StickyNoob> *good 03:09 <luke-jr> StickyNoob: usury is a sin 03:10 <StickyNoob> heh to those who believe in sin, yes 03:10 <luke-jr> and like Lucifer already pointed out, by the time you have a million, that million will be worthless :D 03:11 <StickyNoob> are you just summerising discussion with an hours lag? 03:11 <luke-jr> yes 03:23 <Flex> StickyNoob 03:23 <Flex> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080723-telco-wont-install-fiber-sues-to-keep-city-from-doing-it.html 03:26 -!- xfroggy_tr [i=4aa3e760@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1434192bb55465e6] has joined #armagetron 03:34 -!- samsoffes [n=samsoffe@ip72-198-97-139.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #armagetron 03:38 <luke-jr> Flex: FIOS is mostly marketting anyhow 03:39 <Flex> it's not that. i'm mostly interested in that they're suing because the local area is taking their "market" 03:50 -!- ky13 [i=47618fba@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-72f63186c4ac3263] has joined #armagetron 03:54 -!- ky13 [i=47618fba@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-72f63186c4ac3263] has quit [Client Quit] 04:03 -!- xfroggy_tr [i=4aa3e760@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1434192bb55465e6] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 04:03 -!- xfroggy_tr [i=4aa3e760@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-06722443aadfc62b] has joined #armagetron 04:26 -!- xfroggy_tr [i=4aa3e760@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-06722443aadfc62b] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 04:35 -!- xfroggy_tr [i=4aa3e760@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-50d9acd55a60ea0e] has joined #armagetron 04:35 -!- xfroggy_tr [i=4aa3e760@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-50d9acd55a60ea0e] has quit [Client Quit] 04:35 -!- xfroggy_tr [i=4aa3e760@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-353c654535a5df2c] has joined #armagetron 05:32 -!- 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#gentoo and noone answered 22:13 <epsy> how come i was sure you would say that 22:13 <epsy> forums? 22:14 <wrtlprnft> too lazy x_X 22:15 <epsy> that's the only way you will get them to speak 22:15 <wrtlprnft> i also have no explanation as to why the rescue system runs my binaries just fine 22:16 -!- madmax [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmax] has joined #armagetron 22:16 <epsy> you can easly guess that i dont have any better clue on that 22:17 <wrtlprnft> i don't really have a lot of time for this crap right now is the real problem 22:17 <epsy> hm 22:18 <epsy> guess that will be your last kernel update for a while 22:18 <wrtlprnft> well, the problem doesn't appear to be the kernel itself 22:18 <wrtlprnft> as my old kernels refuse to run as well 22:19 <wrtlprnft> or, they run, but init traps 22:19 <epsy> are you able to see any error message? 22:19 <epsy> hm :| 22:20 <wrtlprnft> invalid instruction in ld-x.so 22:20 <Monkey_arma> *cough* gentoo ftl *cough* 22:20 <wrtlprnft> gentoo is getting *really* sucky, you've got a point there 22:20 <epsy> did you try using the interactive mode (of init) when it would boot? 22:20 <wrtlprnft> err 22:21 -!- Lackadaisical [n=lckdscl@ip202-29-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:21 <wrtlprnft> init=/bin/echo traps 22:21 <epsy> eh 22:21 <wrtlprnft> init doesn't ever get to run 22:23 <epsy> at that point i would try a full reinstall 22:23 <epsy> the problem with full reinstalls is that you only figure out you forgot to backup something when you just deleted everything :P 22:24 <wrtlprnft> that's no problem, the second HD is free 22:24 <wrtlprnft> but a vanilla gentoo stage3 has the same problem for me 22:25 <epsy> do you own the machine or..? 22:25 <wrtlprnft> i don't own the machine, no 22:25 <epsy> may be a material fuckup 22:26 <epsy> :X 22:26 <wrtlprnft> and all the tests i can do is reboot it and see if it comes back up or boot it in qemu and see what happens there 22:27 <epsy> maybe you should ask hetzner to check it up 22:27 <wrtlprnft> hmm 22:27 <wrtlprnft> maybe i'll try installing one of their os images 22:27 <epsy> good idea, if these doesnt work you have a strong point 22:28 <wrtlprnft> but right now i'll go to bed 22:28 <epsy> good idea too :) gn 22:28 <wrtlprnft> #night 22:28 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft! 22:29 -!- emmy_arma [n=peiaeman@pc232133.static.is.airbites.ro] has joined #armagetron 22:30 -!- Bougo [n=MrBougo@ip-62-235-207-114.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #armagetron 22:36 -!- joda_bot [n=anonymou@dslb-084-061-041-204.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron 22:42 -!- madmax [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmax] has quit ["ø"] 22:46 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@ip-62-235-207-114.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:49 -!- G5 [n=G5@p57962677.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #Armagetron 22:50 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p508731FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron 22:55 <z-man> Haha, my wife was just declared 59 by Wii Sports :) 22:57 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23:57 * P4 doh 23:57 <ct|kyle> P4: spams 23:57 * xfroggy agrees 23:58 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: are you seconding my motion to +q p4? 23:58 <ct|kyle> no luke-jr 23:59 <luke-jr> then stfu 23:59 -!- akira_arma [n=chatzill@77.64.160.235] has quit ["To hell with you."]View entire month
is a site that has tools, maps, and other various items. It orignally only existed as a server control panel, but I slowly began adding stuff such as a homepage and tools.
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This is an LLM-free zone. In general, I am unwilling to use (fight with) any form of "GenAI" to write code for me. So, for the forseeable future, everything on this site will continue to be written by a very silly goose (wait that's me honk honk) with some parts written by other humans as well (silly hu-mon) rather than any plausible-series-of-words token-eating machine. Even my libraries are out of date, and suddenly that's a good thing!
(Although the style has changed several times and content has been added and changed, the base of this site has barely been updated since 2015. But it Ain't Broke!)
This site is also occasionally tested with older browsers, but compatibility is not guarenteed. Although, if you have an old obscure browser and something isn't working that previously did, I guess you can tell me (nelg) about it...
Gridder
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