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Log from 2008-06-20:
--- Day changed Fri Jun 20 2008
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00:41 <BmK|mcp> :O
00:41 <BmK|mcp> :O
00:41 <BmK|mcp> :O
00:41 <BmK|mcp> :O
00:41 <BmK|mcp> :O
00:41 <BmK|mcp> :O
00:41 <BmK|mcp> :O
00:41 <BmK|mcp> :O
00:42 <BmK|mcp> :O
00:42 <BmK|mcp> :O
00:42 <Monkey_arma> hi
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00:43 <K-Yo> loool
00:54 <Flex> lol
00:56 <ct|kyle> heh
00:57 <pippijn> sad
01:06 <K-Yo> :(
01:08 <ct|kyle> ;(
01:09 <Flex> ):
01:10 <madmax> #sd flag fort
01:10 <armabot> madmax: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “flag fort” at the moment, sorry.
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01:17 <z-wt> :
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03:09 <akira_arma> #armaservers
03:09 <armabot> akira_arma: This data is 7 seconds old; Wild West  =Capture The Flag= (10/10), [{PHC--MEGATRON--}] (9/32), Swampland Mud Puddle (5/8), ~*SpeederS*~ Server (5/12), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (5/14), Wild West  =Team Sumo= (4/14), Wild West  =Fortress Shootout= (4/12), |FA| BLACK ICE (3/16), -=}ID< -=}Immortal Dynasty< -=}High Rubber < (3/12), Norm's Place (3/12), Fortress Café (3/32), |Forgotten (1 more message)
03:09 <akira_arma> #tea
03:10 <armabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (3/32): <V>Dan, Corn, Player 1
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07:51 <luke-jr> "IRC stands for Internet Relay Connection, it is an IM company but it's a lot better than AOL, MSN, etc.. I am always on and I even have my oun room. If you want to downlaod IRC, which I encourage you to do, then go to http://www.mirc.com (copy and paste). Once you get there go ahead and download/install mIRC."
07:54 <Stewie-arma> ...
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08:29 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: good research there, I didn't know so much detail about IRC
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12:22 <armabot> lpbugs: [241593] bot quits when spectator enters
12:44 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8491 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): epsy46: fixed redundant " is not allowed to rename to <name>" messages on the client
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13:23 <evaldusi> damn
13:24 <evaldusi> DAMN
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16:13 <Monkey_arma> #aka knox
16:13 <armabot> Monkey_arma: I don't know anything about 'knox'!
16:14 <Monkey_arma> #aka .:]knox
16:14 <armabot> Monkey_arma: Error: Spurious "]".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
16:14 <madmax> is there a list somewhere of all requirements to build 0.2.8/trunk?
16:14 <Monkey_arma> like libraries?
16:15 <z-wt> knox = kirb
16:15 <Monkey_arma> ah ok z-wt
16:15 <z-wt> .:] Kirb :D
16:15 <Monkey_arma> curb even?
16:15 <Monkey_arma> as in curbside
16:20 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: Stewie-arma and you don't know what quotation marks mean?
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16:25 <z-wt> luke-jr's girl friend
16:25 <z-wt> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYuWWTOOFOY
16:25 <z-wt> :)
16:26 <luke-jr> z-wt: you have a death wish?
16:27 <z-wt> :0
16:28 <luke-jr> stfu kthx
16:29 <z-wt> how unfriendly :(
16:31 <epsy> z-wt, what you said wasn't very friendly either i think
16:31 <epsy> :-P
16:31 <epsy> <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8491 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): epsy46: fixed redundant " is not allowed to rename to <name>" messages on the client
16:32 <epsy> that will make you happy z-wt :)
16:32 <z-wt> I thought It was :(
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16:33 <epsy> hi 1000Grams :)
16:33 <Lackadaisical> meh
16:33 <Lackadaisical> can you keep it to yourself next time?
16:36 <epsy> mmmm
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16:46 <madmax> #tea
16:46 <armabot> madmax: Fortress Café: Players (11/32): .:] xfroggy, Cinema Cheater, CTxGonZaP, cT¤K-yo (K-Yo@crazy-tronners.com), gryzor (ed@forums), JoeThePharmer, Midnight, Monkey, Player 1, van Nelle, ¦×¦ liza (flash@x)
16:47 <hoax> haha epsy exposing the hos
16:47 <hoax> & luke what u gona do kill him?
16:48 <xfroggy> she's a bit little for luke no
16:48 <xfroggy> or are we speaking about the bunny :D
16:48 <Monkey_arma> epsy well done for uncovering smurfs!
16:48 <Monkey_arma> ban smurfing!!
16:49 <epsy> ..lol..
16:50 <hoax> epsy +1 arma pointz for u
16:51 <epsy> /admin slap epsy -1 ? :)
16:51 <StickyNoob> anyone know who the guys in the pQ clan are?
16:53 <hoax> pQ?
16:53 <StickyNoob> #lastseen [pQ]
16:53 <armabot> StickyNoob: [pQ]Hero has last been seen on ¦×¦.Team.Sumo.Server 18 hours 51 minutes ago.
16:54 <StickyNoob> yeah a few guys that have been in fort/sumo they are good so im just wondering if its regulars that are starting up a clan using new names
16:55 <Monkey_arma> #aka hero
16:55 <armabot> Monkey_arma: ¿6779 noob` ~3 galaxy fag kick_me hero ksjhdjksghkjhqw {usa} one ~|ds|~_plag he's_back! who's_bad? laserbeams |pwncarnage pimp_mobile sex pie i'll_tkill_you please_k please_kick_me
16:55 <Monkey_arma> #aka ]Hero
16:55 <armabot> Monkey_arma: Error: Spurious "]".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
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16:56 <Monkey_arma> #aka "]Hero"
16:56 <armabot> Monkey_arma: I don't know anything about ']hero'!
16:57 <Lackadaisical> #aka Lackadaisical
16:57 <armabot> Lackadaisical: ¿27451 -b-_lckdscl lackadaisical 0:Lackadaisical@forums
17:00 <epsy> #aka 1000Grams
17:00 <armabot> epsy: ¿28272 si.1ooograms 1ooograms
17:00 <hoax> 1000grams of what lack?
17:00 <epsy> #aka 0:epsy@x
17:00 <armabot> epsy: ¿3796 pep|x|y 0:epsy@x
17:00 <epsy> it's some stupid cereals thingy
17:01 <hoax> lol ^^
17:01 <hoax> #ls hoax@x
17:01 <epsy> #aka 0:z0mgz0r@z0mgz0rz
17:01 <armabot> hoax: timed out
17:01 <armabot> epsy: ¿29191 |x|flash 0:flashy@forums 0:z0mgz0r@z0mgz0rz
17:01 <epsy> hoax, #ls -g
17:01 <epsy> O_O
17:01 <hoax> thats the 1
17:01 <epsy> hell, we share the same stats lol
17:02 <hoax> -g after or before
17:02 <hoax> #ls -g hoax@x
17:02 <armabot> hoax: I haven't seen anyone matching “hoax@x” yet, sorry.
17:02 <hoax> lol
17:02 <hoax> oh
17:04 <wrtlprnft> Lackadaisical: and you don't know what irony means
17:05 <hoax> luke-jr* ?
17:05 <epsy> #ls -g Hoax@x
17:05 <armabot> epsy: I haven't seen anyone matching “Hoax@x” yet, sorry.
17:06 <epsy> huh
17:06 <hoax> from when does it start
17:08 <epsy> ask wrtlprnft
17:09 <epsy> and i think he actually meant Lackadaisical :P
17:10 <hoax> hrm
17:10 <epsy> z-man, did you use an hacked arma to eliminate teams on score?
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17:10 <z-man> On elimination sumo? No.
17:10 <epsy> i don't see where it selects the team with the lowest score in eTeam::Enforce
17:11 <z-man> But a recent SVN/BZR version was required.
17:11 <z-man> It doesn't do that explicitly :)
17:11 <epsy> err?
17:11 <z-man> It just selects one team, and they're sorted so that this team is the lowest scoring team.
17:11 <epsy> oh
17:13 <epsy> also, how do i know which colorTeam is a random team? should i compare it/it's pointer to each one in sg_ColoredTeams?
17:20 <Lackadaisical> wrtlprnft: mm?
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17:35 <epsy> s/sg_Colo/se_Colo
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17:59 <Monkey_arma> right ive just got my other 128 meg stick
17:59 <Monkey_arma> just pus left :P
17:59 <Monkey_arma> *psu
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18:00 <akira_arma> 128...
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18:21 <Monkey_arma> ok xfroggy has a bug with his card..its making him move and even cross the line of def as if by magic...wtf
18:22 <madmax> is he selling it?
18:23 <wrtlprnft> Lackadaisical: ?
18:23 <xfroggy> when I get enough money to get a new pc
18:23 <Lackadaisical> (05:05:27 PM) wrtlprnft: Lackadaisical: and you don't know what irony means
18:24 <wrtlprnft> err
18:24 <wrtlprnft> i meant luke-jr 
18:24 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: and you don't know what irony means
18:24 <wrtlprnft> sorry
18:24 <Monkey_arma> ye i often confuse luke and lack ??????
18:24 <Lackadaisical> ok.. np
18:24 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: gfy
18:26 <wrtlprnft> …
18:26 <Flex> w00ts going on
18:29 <Monkey_arma> #tea
18:29 <armabot> Monkey_arma: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): .:] xfroggy, akira, CTxGonZaP, freako, Hamlet, Monkey (Monkey@x), Turbo
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21:38 <runemaste644> I dont see any sign of my server on the server list
21:39 <Monkey_arma> do you have TALK_TO_MASTER 1 in your server_info.cfg?
21:40 <Monkey_arma> runemaste644:
21:40 <runemaste644> i dont see server info.cfg but thats in settings_custom.cfg
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21:41 <runemaste644> where is server_info.cfg on linux x86
21:41 <Monkey_arma> well for a start really you should have only game settings in settings_custom.cfg
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21:41 <Monkey_arma> any server settings you *should* put in server_info.cfg
21:41 <Monkey_arma> you might have to make it yourself
21:42 <Monkey_arma> can you custom connect to your server?
21:42 <runemaste644> is /usr/local/etc/games/armagetronad-dedicated/ an appropriate place
21:42 <Monkey_arma> its the default i guess...seems ok
21:42 <runemaste644> i think i could at one point, that was a long time ago though
21:43 <Monkey_arma> what is the IP for you server?
21:43 <Monkey_arma> and what port is it on?
21:44 <runemaste644>
21:45 <Monkey_arma> you need SERVER_PORT to be set also in your config file
21:45 <runemaste644> would talk to master, server dns and name, dedicated idle and client/server port all be server settings?
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21:45 <Lackadaisical> #tea
21:45 <armabot> Lackadaisical: Fortress Café: Players (7/32): Beerman |AoS|, Bishop, Hex, Longball|MBC, madmax, Sweeper, Tony Montana
21:46 <Monkey_arma> yes they would all be server settings
21:46 <Monkey_arma> so all would go in SERVER_INFO.cfg
21:46 <runemaste644> and include is a game setting, right?
21:46 <Monkey_arma> er...without caps
21:46 <Monkey_arma> includes are usually game settings ye
21:47 <Monkey_arma> ok and your server is up?
21:47 <Monkey_arma> your server is not responding
21:47 <Monkey_arma> i cant custom connect
21:48 <runemaste644> let me restart server real quick
21:49 <runemaste644> ok now try
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21:50 <runemaste644> i see in list now
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21:51 <runemaste644> runemaste644.dyndns.org should work as well
21:52 <Monkey_arma> custom connect still not working
21:52 <runemaste644> Yay! i see revolution of chaos server on the list (my server name)
21:52 <Monkey_arma> does you IP change ever time you reboot?
21:53 <runemaste644> every time i unplug my dsl modem
21:53 <runemaste644> but, nevertheless, i have a dynamic IP
21:53 <Monkey_arma> because that IP you gave me does not work with custom connect
21:54 <runemaste644> try runemaste644.dyndns.org
21:55 <runemaste644> oh and the version is
21:56 <runemaste644> but if nobody but me can connect, what does that mean?
21:57 <epsy> that means you should either
21:57 <epsy> 1/ disable your firewall
21:57 <epsy> 2/ redirect your ports
21:57 <Monkey_arma> (router most likely)
21:57 <Monkey_arma> do you have a router?
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21:58 <runemaste644> yes
21:58 <Monkey_arma> aha
21:58 <Monkey_arma> good guess
21:58 <Monkey_arma> with a webmin interface no doubt
21:58 <runemaste644> yes
21:58 <epsy> haha
21:58 <Monkey_arma> ^^
21:58 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8492 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/engine/eTeam.cpp):
21:58 <armabot> armagetronad: epsy46: TEAM_ELIMINATION_MODE defines the way ArmagetronAd should eliminate
21:58 <armabot> armagetronad: teams when there's more teams than TEAMS_MAX: Set to 0 it will try to keep as
21:58 <armabot> armagetronad: many players as possible, kicking teams that have the lowest score if teams are
21:58 <armabot> armagetronad: balanced; Set to 1 it will try to keep the best team colors (Team blue, then
21:58 <armabot> armagetronad: Team gold, then Team red, etc); Set to 2 it will kick out the teams that have
21:58 <armabot> armagetronad: the lowest score, regardless of balance. Copy-paste ftw.
21:59 <epsy> ..40 mins to get on svn..bah
22:00 <Monkey_arma> ok cant custom connect to that addres
22:00 <runemaste644> i think i did the port forwarding stuff a long time ago
22:00 <Monkey_arma> what is the value of SERVER_PORT in your config file?
22:00 <runemaste644> ill reboot server again
22:00 <epsy> Monkey_arma, how does the error look like?
22:00 <epsy> timeout?
22:00 <runemaste644> yes
22:01 <Monkey_arma> "SERVER DOES NOT ANSWER"
22:01 <epsy> .."after ten seconds" ? :)
22:01 <runemaste644> i doubt this has anything to do with it but im running the server as root
22:01 <Monkey_arma> after about 10 yes
22:01 <Monkey_arma> ok well dont run as root btw
22:01 <Monkey_arma> for security
22:01 <epsy> runemaste644, that's bad but it should still work
22:02 <Monkey_arma> yes it should work
22:02 <Monkey_arma> what is the value of SERVER_PORT in your config file?
22:02 <epsy> resolveip: Unable to find hostid for 'runemaste644.dyndns.org': host not found
22:02 <runemaste644> 4534
22:02 <epsy> can't even resolve that address
22:03 <Monkey_arma> ok well i would check your router settings
22:03 <Monkey_arma> do you run a firewall or packet filter also?
22:03 <runemaste644> firestarter
22:04 <epsy> ..ah
22:04 <Monkey_arma> ok first thing is to disable firewall like epsy said
22:04 <epsy> ssecond thing is to get something that resolves
22:04 <runemaste644> firestarter is now disabled
22:04 <Monkey_arma> i guess your router is your packet filter anyway
22:04 <epsy> because runemaste644.dyndns.org doesn't
22:05 <Monkey_arma> doesnt the firewall/router setup affect whether or not resolution can take place (indirectly)
22:05 <epsy> no
22:05 <runemaste644> can i find my router webmin page thru network-admin?
22:05 <Monkey_arma> if he can fix firewall/router stuff then maybe dyndns.org will be able to communicate with his comp
22:06 <epsy> resolveip translates a DNS address into an IP
22:06 <epsy> maybe
22:06 <Monkey_arma> i would bet on router/firewall issus
22:06 <Monkey_arma> *issue
22:06 <epsy> i'm not sure, runemaste644, do you have a dynamic IP ?
22:06 <Monkey_arma> yes
22:06 <runemaste644> yes
22:06 <Monkey_arma> he uses dyndns
22:06 <epsy> so you're using dyndns to get something fixed
22:07 <epsy> Monkey_arma, i used to use dyndns, not for that kind of service, trough
22:07 <Monkey_arma> i cant see why it wouldnt work with arma
22:07 <Monkey_arma> i think he just needs to alter settings
22:07 <runemaste644> found webmin screen
22:07 <Monkey_arma> ok restart server  with firewall off
22:07 <Monkey_arma> ok do webmin first
22:08 <runemaste644> what do i do in the webmin screen
22:08 <runemaste644> (its a bellsouth router)
22:08 <Monkey_arma> is there no docs?
22:10 <runemaste644> if im trying to do the port forwarding stuff, i have done that
22:10 <epsy> http://portforward.com/
22:10 <runemaste644> yeah ive done that
22:10 <epsy> then the problem is the resolving of your IP
22:10 <runemaste644> which means...
22:10 <epsy> can you try a resolveip runemaste644.dyndns.org
22:11 <epsy> translating "runemaste644.dyndns.org" into an IP you can connect to
22:11 <runemaste644> you mean reverse DNS lookup?
22:11 <epsy> what dos that do?
22:11 <epsy> does*
22:12 <runemaste644> i mean dns lookup (no reverse
22:12 <epsy> i guess
22:12 <epsy> just type resolveip runemaste644.dyndns.org
22:13 <runemaste644> (this might just be dyndns's IP)
22:13 <runemaste644> ill reboot server now
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22:13 <epsy> Monkey_arma, can you try?
22:14 <runemaste644> its done restarting
22:14 <Monkey_arma> epsy  you mean resolveip runemaste644.dyndns.org?
22:14 <epsy> yes
22:15 <Monkey_arma> no resolveip command
22:15 <Monkey_arma> i'll ping it
22:15 <epsy> must be in iptool
22:15 <epsy> must be in iptools
22:15 <Monkey_arma> ping: unknown host runemaste644.dyndns.org
22:15 <Monkey_arma> na
22:15 <Monkey_arma> wont resolve
22:16 <epsy> [ Searching for file(s) resolveip in *... ]
22:16 <epsy> dev-db/mysql-5.0.26-r2 (/usr/bin/resolveip)
22:16 <epsy> wtf?!
22:16 <Monkey_arma> haha
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22:17 <runemaste644> but if im the only one who can connect, what does that mean
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22:17 <Monkey_arma> you can connect to that address?
22:18 <Monkey_arma> wb flashyy
22:18 <runemaste644> well i can connect to
22:18 <flashyy> ty :)
22:18 <Monkey_arma> of course you can connect to
22:18 <Monkey_arma> that means localhost
22:18 <runemaste644> i know
22:18 <Monkey_arma> its the address of your computer
22:18 <Monkey_arma> but not via the internet
22:18 <Monkey_arma> all computers have a localhost of
22:19 <Monkey_arma> it just means "my computer"
22:19 <Monkey_arma> so you need a proper IP or address
22:20 <Monkey_arma> it looks like if you get dyndns working your server will work
22:20 <runemaste644> well i cant connect to my real ip (
22:20 <Monkey_arma> right exactly
22:20 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8493 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (6 files in 3 dirs): epsy46: UNLOCK_ALL_TEAMS
22:20 <Monkey_arma> you need to get dyndns working
22:23 <runemaste644> hold on
22:23 <epsy> works fine
22:24 <runemaste644> now try dyndns
22:25 <Monkey_arma> PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
22:25 <Monkey_arma> 64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=160 ms
22:25 <Monkey_arma> yep it does
22:26 <Monkey_arma> PING runemaste644.dyndns.org ( 56(84) bytes of data.
22:26 <Monkey_arma> 64 bytes from adsl-4-163-220.gsp.bellsouth.net ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=45 time=167 ms
22:26 <Monkey_arma> ok you are back in business
22:26 <runemaste644> i see my dyndns in the menu but it doesnt work
22:27 <Monkey_arma> still cant connect to server
22:27 <runemaste644> console says nothing
22:27 <Monkey_arma> have you restarted server?
22:27 <runemaste644> yes
22:27 <runemaste644> i can restart it again
22:27 <runemaste644> if it helps
22:27 <Monkey_arma> wait a sec
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22:28 <Monkey_arma> try restarting
22:28 <Monkey_arma> then we will try other stuff
22:29 <runemaste644> its restarted
22:31 <runemaste644> i dont see it in the server browser
22:31 <Monkey_arma> still not connecting
22:31 <Monkey_arma> wait a sec
22:34 <Monkey_arma> What OS are you on?
22:34 <runemaste644> linux x86 on a core 2 duo 2.2ghz
22:35 <Monkey_arma>  32bit linux?
22:35 <runemaste644> yes
22:35 <Monkey_arma> do you have "DEDICATED_IDLE 1" in your config file?
22:36 <runemaste644> i have dedicated idle 0
22:36 <Monkey_arma> change to 1
22:36 <Monkey_arma> then restart server
22:36 <runemaste644> done.
22:37 <runemaste644> it might work now!
22:38 <runemaste644> i see the name but it says unreachable
22:38 <runemaste644> and gives the server does not answer error
22:39 <runemaste644> no activity in the shell
22:39 <Monkey_arma> right i would say reinstall the server from scratch. keep your config files that you need and scrap everything else
22:40 <runemaste644> ok
22:40 <runemaste644> do i put the config files in another directory or should they remain intact?
22:41 <Monkey_arma> you can move them to be safe but i dont think they will get overwritten
22:41 <Monkey_arma> i would move them then total uninstall and delete any files and folders left after uninstall
22:43 <runemaste644> shouldnt i be able to just download and install the latest server
22:50 <runemaste644> autopackage is a pain in the butt
22:53 <Monkey_arma> im sure you can yes
22:53 <Monkey_arma> if its . you want you can just download that
22:53 <Monkey_arma> what distro you on?
22:54 <runemaste644> ubuntu
22:55 <runemaste644> but autopackage wants the system password (my password) but it says its wrong
22:56 <xfroggy> what u trying to do?
22:56 <Monkey_arma> autopackage???
22:56 <Monkey_arma> just download the source
22:56 <Monkey_arma> and compile
22:56 <Monkey_arma> i can walk you through the steps
22:57 <Monkey_arma> the binary stuff is an arse so compiling source is way better
22:57 <xfroggy> autopackage takes less than 5 sec to install though :D
22:57 <Monkey_arma> on his computer it should take 3 mins to compile
22:58 <xfroggy> see how much time u can save lol
22:59 <Monkey_arma> well if he wants it to work :)
22:59 <xfroggy> lol thats a completely different question :D
23:00 <P4> gnight (http://albaani.org/sekavaa/tennis.jpg)
23:00 <xfroggy> lol ^^
23:04 <runemaste644> i dont see a tar.gz for the server
23:04 <Monkey_arma> the source is all one
23:04 <Monkey_arma> when you compile you choose whether server or client etc
23:04 <Monkey_arma> if you want to do autopackage then do it...if that dont work we can do source
23:04 <runemaste644> o
23:05 <Monkey_arma> i wouldnt touch autopackage with a barge pole
23:05 <Monkey_arma> giving system passwords etc pff
23:05 <akira_arma> #tea
23:05 <armabot> akira_arma: Fortress Café: Players (12/32): Flex, JoeThePharmer, Lackadaisical, madmax, newbÎe, PHC:C-Monster, Root, solja kid, z3r0, |x| FoFo, ~|DS|~zion, ¦×¦ liza (flash@x)
23:06 <xfroggy> lol
23:06 <xfroggy> autopackages installs everything into ~/ if u dont give system password :/
23:08 <runemaste644> says i need SDL
23:08 <runemaste644> obviously doesnt know i want the server
23:08 <xfroggy> did u specified it during ./configure?
23:09 <runemaste644> specify what?
23:09 <xfroggy> that u want server
23:09 <runemaste644> hoe
23:09 <xfroggy> hoe?
23:09 <runemaste644> how
23:09 <xfroggy> oh
23:09 <xfroggy> erm
23:09 <runemaste644> typo
23:09 <xfroggy> type
23:09 <xfroggy> ./configure --help
23:10 <runemaste644> theres nothing specific for the package
23:10 <xfroggy> 1 sec
23:11 <xfroggy> Monkey_arma, got lost lol
23:11 <Monkey_arma> runemaste644:  are you using autopackage or source?
23:11 <Monkey_arma> xfroggy: :)
23:11 <runemaste644> src
23:11 <Monkey_arma> ok i'll take you step by step dont rush ahead
23:11 <Monkey_arma> what have you typed?
23:12 <xfroggy> runemaste644,   --enable-glout          enable graphical output; otherwise, compile a
23:12 <xfroggy>                           dedicated server (default=enabled)
23:12 <runemaste644> ive gotten to the directory of the package and tried configure
23:12 <Monkey_arma> ok dont configure yet
23:12 <Monkey_arma> type ./configure --help
23:13 <Monkey_arma> that will be of use to you
23:13 <Monkey_arma> i'll tell you what you *need* from those options
23:13 <runemaste644> theres nothing package specific
23:13 <xfroggy> runemaste644, read Optional Features
23:14 <xfroggy> runemaste644, 3rd option under
23:14 <luke-jr> runemaste644: --disable-glout
23:14 <xfroggy> pff luke-jr
23:14 <xfroggy> we trying to make him understand :-/
23:15 <runemaste644> all i see is enable glout
23:15 <Monkey_arma> luke relax please
23:15 <luke-jr> runemaste644: ok, have fun being stupid
23:15 <epsy> ...
23:16 <luke-jr> lol
23:16 <xfroggy> luke-jr, I thought Christians are suppose to be nice
23:16 <luke-jr> xfroggy: honest, too
23:16 <xfroggy> lmfao
23:16 <Monkey_arma> ok runemaste644 you need to make sure these packages are installed in ubuntu
23:16 <runemaste644> ./configure --enable-glout doesnt work
23:16 <Monkey_arma> dont do it!
23:16 <runemaste644> i have sdl
23:16 <Monkey_arma> wait and listen
23:16 <luke-jr> LOL
23:16 <Monkey_arma> install these:
23:17 <xfroggy> man..this kid like skipped half the chat
23:17 <runemaste644> because i was fooling with autopackage
23:17  * luke-jr has a scroll bar
23:17 <xfroggy> runemaste644, u on ubuntu, starts listening
23:17 <xfroggy> *start
23:17 <Monkey_arma> libxml2-dev
23:17 <Monkey_arma> libsdl1.2-dev
23:17 <Monkey_arma> libsdl-image1.2-dev
23:17 <Monkey_arma> xlibmesa-gl-dev
23:17 <Monkey_arma> libboost-dev
23:17 <Monkey_arma> libogg-dev
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libsmpeg0
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libsdl-mixer1.2
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libvorbisenc2
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libvorbis-dev
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libsmpeg-dev
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libsdl-mixer1.2-dev
23:18 <Monkey_arma> ftgl-dev
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libglew-dev
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libglew1
23:18 <Monkey_arma> bison
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libc6
23:18 <runemaste644> in one line please
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libgcc1
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libglu1-xorg | libglu1
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libjpeg62
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libsdl-image1.2
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libsdl1.2debian
23:18 <Monkey_arma> libstdc++6
23:18 <Monkey_arma> xlibmesa-gl | libgl1
23:18 <Monkey_arma> if all of those are installed we are ready to rock and roll
23:18 <Monkey_arma> the | means one or the other
23:18 <Monkey_arma> do you know aptitude?
23:18 <runemaste644> i use apt-get
23:19 <Monkey_arma> ok for a start use aptitude or they will get uninstalled at some point
23:19 <Monkey_arma> aptitude remembers which programs were manually installed
23:19 <xfroggy> Monkey_arma, btw lol
23:19 <xfroggy> aptitude blows
23:19 <Monkey_arma> its better than apt-get
23:19 <runemaste644> aptitude uninstalls some stuff for no reason
23:19 <Monkey_arma> not that i like debain
23:19 <xfroggy> i tried it once, it pulled half the damn kde desktop just to install k3b
23:19 <Monkey_arma> no no its your fault
23:19 <xfroggy> with apt-get only like 3-4 packages
23:19 <xfroggy> my fault?
23:20 <xfroggy> aptitude install k3b makes it my fault?
23:20 <Monkey_arma> you should have unmarked your autopackages and vice versa
23:20 <xfroggy> ...
23:20 <luke-jr> someone kick Monkey_arma for flooding
23:20 <Monkey_arma> someone kick luke for being himself
23:20 <luke-jr> runemaste644: aptitude doesn't uninstall stuff for no reason, it does it for good reason
23:20 <Monkey_arma> ok i will PM you runemaste644
23:20 <Monkey_arma> and paste it there
23:20 <xfroggy> runemaste644, sudo apt-get install armagetronad-dedicated
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23:20 <luke-jr> runemaste644: apt-get is too stupid to record that you WANT those things installed
23:21 <Monkey_arma> no froggy he must use aptitude
23:21 <xfroggy> lol
23:21 <Monkey_arma> or he will regret it later
23:21 <xfroggy> i regreted it already lol
23:21 <luke-jr> Debian should remove apt-get
23:21 <runemaste644> aptitude uninstalls stuff against my will
23:21 <runemaste644> apt-get doesnt
23:21 <xfroggy> idk personally aptitude pulled more garbage and half of it got left there
23:22 <Monkey_arma> rune and froggy you have to mark packages as manual
23:22 <xfroggy> apt-get autoclean & autoremove removed most of the deps for me compared to aptitude
23:22 <Monkey_arma> do this:
23:22 <xfroggy> wait
23:22 <xfroggy> u mean aptitude itself?
23:22 <Monkey_arma> waht?
23:23 <Monkey_arma> let me watch this penalty shoot out
23:23 <xfroggy> u using aptitude in cml or as a browser?
23:23 <Monkey_arma> i'll be back after
23:23 <luke-jr> runemaste644: no, apt-get just lies about your will
23:23 <Monkey_arma> aptitude is command line best
23:23 <luke-jr> if aptitude removes k3b, it's because your computer says you don't want k3b
23:24 <luke-jr> and aptitude says "wtf is it installed then?"
23:24 <luke-jr> and sees nobody needs it
23:24 <xfroggy> luke-jr, wait what?
23:24 <runemaste644> The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:
23:24 <xfroggy> aptitude installed half the damn kde with k3b
23:24 <luke-jr> when apt-get installs stuff, it forgets to tell the system you want it
23:24 <Monkey_arma> correct
23:24 <Monkey_arma> we will sort it out in a bit
23:24 <xfroggy> by any chance debian & ubuntu apt-get different?
23:25 <luke-jr> so if you do
23:25 <luke-jr> apt-get install foobar
23:25 <Monkey_arma> 10 mins will be enough for penalties
23:25 <luke-jr> your system still doesn't know you want foobar
23:25 <runemaste644> ubuntu apt-get has super cow powers
23:25 <luke-jr> aptitude install foobar, however, installs it AND tells the system you want it
23:25 <runemaste644> apt-get moo
23:25 <epsy> You have unused icons on your desktop.
23:25 <luke-jr> then when aptitude (or anything else) goes and sees why foobar is installed, they see "oh, my boss wants it"
23:26 <luke-jr> and leaves it alone
23:26 <xfroggy> hrm
23:26 <runemaste644> aptitude uninstall 50 packages for no reason
23:26 <luke-jr> runemaste644: because the system says those 50 packages are not used
23:27 <xfroggy> hrm whats a good package to try
23:27 <runemaste644> as in never used or not recently used
23:27 <luke-jr> runemaste644: as in not currently
23:27 <luke-jr> as in, nobody says they want it there
23:27 <luke-jr> aptitude will leave stuff alone if somebody wants it
23:28 <runemaste644> so i can do aptitude reinstall packages and itll leave them alone
23:28 <luke-jr> but if it's not on your "list of packages I want", nor any of those package's "list of things I need", nobody needs it
23:28 <luke-jr> runemaste644: sure
23:28 <luke-jr> it'll just add them to your "list of packages I want" so it knows they're needed
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23:30 <runemaste644> well i still dont trust aptitude
23:30 <luke-jr> f u too
23:30 <Monkey_arma> you are wrong
23:30 <Monkey_arma> you just need to tell aptitude which packages from your apt-get days you want to keep
23:30 <luke-jr> runemaste644: you really shouldn't be compiling source code
23:30  * Monkey_arma agrees
23:31 <luke-jr> you've got about 2 years more learning before you get to that point
23:31 <runemaste644> i only use apt-get or graphical package managers
23:31 <Monkey_arma> ok runemaste644 use autopackage
23:31 <xfroggy> luke-jr, why 2 years of learning?
23:31 <runemaste644> i ve known how to compile source ever since i switched to linux
23:32 <luke-jr> xfroggy: cuz he's stubborn
23:32 <xfroggy> LOL
23:32 <luke-jr> xfroggy: otherwise it might only be a few months
23:33 <runemaste644> and if anyone here is stubborn its luke jr
23:33 <Monkey_arma> haha
23:33 <luke-jr> runemaste644: you're the retard refusing to do things rihgt
23:34 <Monkey_arma> runemaster...you are going to need to do aptitude for the dependencies on armagetron even if you use autopackage i think
23:34 <Monkey_arma> i dont use autopackage so im not sure
23:34 <runemaste644> i dont use autopackage
23:34 <runemaste644> i just tried it
23:34 <xfroggy> man
23:34 <runemaste644> and its crap
23:34 <Monkey_arma> ok well lets get your system sorted out with aptitude
23:35 <xfroggy> do u even listen runemaste644 what we been talking for the last few minutes? lol
23:35 <luke-jr> runemaste644: just like you?
23:35 <Monkey_arma> its ok he's listening
23:35 <runemaste644> someone kick luke-jr
23:35 <xfroggy> LOL
23:35 <xfroggy> hahahahahaha
23:35 <xfroggy> yea he's listening alright
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23:36 <runemaste644> on second thought ill just /ignore
23:36 <xfroggy> wow
23:36 <xfroggy> so much for trying to help out, huh? luke-jr lol
23:38 <runemaste644> ok luke talk all u want i cant see what ur saying
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23:40 <runemaste644> ok so whats the aptitude stuff i need to do
23:41 <Monkey_arma> how well do you know apt-get?
23:41 <runemaste644> i can do all the basic installing and uninstalling
23:41 <Flex> Monkey_arma,
23:42 <runemaste644> and i can use the super cow powers
23:42 <Monkey_arma> yes flex?
23:46 <runemaste644> well what do i do
23:51 <Monkey_arma> well
23:51 <Monkey_arma> 2 options
23:51 <runemaste644> option 1?
23:52 <Monkey_arma> 1) find all packages on system and mark the ones you want to be kept *no matter what* as "manual" or "noauto"
23:52 <runemaste644> how
23:52 <Monkey_arma> 2) reinstall the packages you want to keep, with aptitude and it will mark them for you
23:52 <runemaste644> i want to keep them all
23:53 <Monkey_arma> yes but thats not what i mean
23:54 <Monkey_arma> if you mark packages as manual/noauto it means that even if nothing depends on them...if you remove stuff later on....you still keep them on your system
23:54 <runemaste644> cool aptitude allows mouse use
23:54 <runemaste644> *and* it has minesweeper!
23:54 <Monkey_arma> we want the command line not that mode!
23:54 <Monkey_arma> so:
23:55 <Monkey_arma> aptitude search .* | grep -E '^i'
23:55 <FoFoLiNo> monk plz :)
23:55 <Monkey_arma> that will show you what are installed
23:56 <xfroggy> Monkey_arma, lets go :)))
23:56 <runemaste644> may i finish playing minesweeper first? :P
23:56 <xfroggy> yes sure
23:56 <xfroggy> go wild
23:56 <hoax> Monkey_arma we starting get ur arse to the serv
23:56 <Monkey_arma> you need to mark the ones in that list that you always want keep even if they arent needed as "noauto"
23:56 <Monkey_arma> ok i gtg now
23:56 <Monkey_arma> so do that
23:56 <Monkey_arma> or you can just reinstall all of those packages
23:56 <Monkey_arma> that is easier
23:57 <Monkey_arma> so just do "aptitude reinstall ... ... ... ... ... ...etc"
23:57 <Monkey_arma> where each package name is one that you have on your system that you want to keep no matter about dependencies
23:59 <runemaste644> is the ^i a control+i?

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