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Log from 2008-05-10:
--- Day changed Sat May 10 2008
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00:31 <K-Yo> epsy, ya ton amoureix que café :P
00:33 <K-Yo> ds le
00:33 <K-Yo> mais il vient de se faire kicker :/
00:34 <epsy> oui mntnt il est ici
00:37 <luke-jr> f u 2
00:37 <epsy> g v 3
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00:44 <K-Yo> :D
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02:46 <Traveler72> is anyone on?
02:47 <Traveler72> its ivantis
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02:53 <Traveler05> hello?
02:53 <Traveler05> dangit, brb
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02:53 <luke-jr> lol
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02:56 <Traveler62> ok
02:56 <Traveler62> its ivantis here
02:56 <Traveler62> i cant get it to get my username right
02:57 <Traveler62> is anyone here?
02:57 <luke-jr> no
02:57 <Traveler62> oh, i guess i should leave
02:57 <Monkey_arma> he is joking
02:57 <Monkey_arma> hi
02:57 <Monkey_arma> whats up with your username?
02:57 <Traveler62> i was joking to
02:57 <Traveler62> im using a weird browser on a different computer
02:58 <Traveler62> and it wont submit data between html and applets
02:58 <Traveler62> i got the Sty patch to work
02:58 <Traveler62> finally
02:58 <Monkey_arma> ok good
02:58 <Traveler62> and unfortunatley (why do they have to make things so difficult?!?!) i need help again
02:58 <Monkey_arma> http://www.mibbit.com
02:59 <Monkey_arma> that will solve the name thing
02:59 <Traveler62> it wont let any clients below alpha in
02:59 <Traveler62> the sty patched server
02:59 <Traveler62> and alpha doesnt even exist
02:59 <Traveler62> grr
03:00 <Monkey_arma> it wont let clients in below alpha?
03:00 <Monkey_arma> hmm
03:01 <Monkey_arma> there are some settings that you need in some  cases for older clients
03:03 <Monkey_arma> but im no expert on sty
03:03 <Monkey_arma> :\
03:04 <Monkey_arma> i still thought that even . clients work on most servers
03:04 <Monkey_arma> so sorry :)
03:04 <Monkey_arma> if you can link your settings_custom.cfg i can look at it
03:05 <Monkey_arma> and how do you know it dont let any clients in except alpha?
03:06 <StickyNoob> is the ubuntu deb dedicated server package a bit broken?
03:06 <Traveler62> kind of
03:06 <Traveler62> broken
03:06 <Traveler62> you cant enter server commands through the terminal its in
03:07 <StickyNoob> hmm keeps complaing about permitions to files it deffinately has permistions too
03:07 <Traveler62> so you have to edit settings_dedicated.cfg and make ADMIN_PASS something good
03:08 <Traveler62> um... i think that the reason it doesnt let clients in below alpha is because it wont let them in before the servers version, which appears to be alpha
03:08 <Traveler62> and i dont know how to fix it
03:10 <Traveler62> ok, so what is the server on mibbit?
03:10 <Traveler62> im gonna connect thru there
03:12 <Monkey_arma> freenode
03:12 <Monkey_arma> its in the  list
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03:12 <Monkey_arma> hi
03:12 <ivantis> oh, good, does my name show up right?
03:12 <ivantis> good
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03:13 <Monkey_arma> yes ivantis
03:14 <Monkey_arma> you can even use  all the irc commands
03:23 <ivantis> srry, i was somewhere for a sec
03:23 <ivantis> ok
03:23 <noob13> does it not even let ppl in with the default settings and no custom map_file ivantis?
03:24 <ivantis> so, i need help getting the sty-patched server to allow clients from before alpha in. anyone help me?
03:24 <ivantis> um
03:24 <ivantis> what do you mean?
03:25 <noob13> a map could block out older clients for example
03:25 <noob13> wondering if its the settings or the server
03:25 <ivantis> no...
03:25 <ivantis> im pretty sure it because the server appears to be running version alpha
03:25 <noob13> ok, is it running atm?
03:26 <ivantis> i could try recompiling from my good patched source
03:26 <ivantis> atm?
03:26 <noob13> at the moment.
03:26 <noob13> :)
03:26 <ivantis> no
03:26 <noob13> did you do a bzr checkout on this install?
03:26 <ivantis> my computer is off, im using my other one
03:26 <ivantis> i can turn it on
03:26 <noob13> try, i'll be around for another hour or so
03:26 <ivantis> but it might yell at me, i accidentally pulled the plug out of the wall
03:27 <noob13> this is a unix dedicated server, right?
03:27 <ivantis> yeah, running on ubuntu
03:27 <ivantis> hang on, brb, im being summoned
03:27 <noob13> ok.
03:30 <ivantis> ok, back
03:30 <ivantis> 0xf00d is delicious
03:31 <ivantis> um, im gonna try to turn my server-machine on, hang on, its really slow at starting up
03:32 <noob13> all good.
03:32 <ivantis> hang on, i have to get into my firewall and unblock the server ports too
03:32 <noob13> remember arma uses udp or somesuch
03:33 <ivantis> yeah
03:35 <ivantis> ok, i think its unblocked, try custom connecting to ivantis.ath.cx with the regular port
03:35 <noob13> 4534 that is?
03:35 <ivantis> yeah
03:37 <ivantis> ok, are you connected?
03:37 <noob13> seems to have worked...yes
03:38 <ivantis> i see you on the server thing
03:38 <noob13> my ping is about 500 tho :P
03:38 <noob13> where are you located?
03:38 <ivantis> ok, will you try 4535? see if the next port works too
03:38 <ivantis> im in kansas, us
03:38 <noob13> works
03:38 <ivantis> my net-monitor is flashing a bunch right now
03:39 <ivantis> oh, good, the more ports work
03:39 <ivantis> excelent
03:39 <ivantis> ok, ill put up the patched server
03:40 <noob13> #sd -v space-lab
03:40 <armabot> noob13: SPACE-LAB (ivantis.ath.cx:4535) running unix dedicated, url: http://arma.ivantis.net/, Description: “Anyone can play. quite fun. good rubber, good speed, nice brakes, all of it. have fun! Hosted by ivantis.net (Luigi's super server).“, Players (1/16): noob13
03:41 <noob13> sure, ok.
03:46 <ivantis> what does that do? #sd?
03:47 <noob13> the # triggers armabot, sd is an alias for 'server details' and -v is probably 'verbose'
03:47 <ivantis> oh, cool
03:48 <ivantis> #sd -v durka durka land
03:48 <armabot> ivantis: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “durka durka land” at the moment, sorry.
03:48 <ivantis> must be broken
03:48 <noob13> #ddl -v
03:48 <armabot> noob13: - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | -: Players (2/16): natural_brew, violent unicorn
03:48 <ivantis> oh
03:48 <noob13> #sd -v d u r
03:48 <armabot> noob13: - | D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d | - ( running unix dedicated, url: http://DurkaDurkaLand.com, Description: “Medium rubber, tight double binds, good brakes, medium speed, & more...(Hosted by Angel)“, Players (2/16): natural_brew, violent unicorn
03:48 <ivantis> oh, it has spaces
03:49 <ivantis> um, ok, ill put up the alpha server, see if you can get in
03:49 <noob13> go for it
03:50 <noob13> #lastseen ivantis
03:50 <armabot> noob13: timed out
03:50 <ivantis> ok, its up at 4536
03:50 <noob13> ok
03:50 <noob13> seems to have worked
03:56 <noob13> #lastseen ivantis
03:56 <armabot> noob13: ivantis has last been seen on De5t!Ny's Sumo Treasure Island 1 day 0 hours 7 minutes ago.
03:57 <noob13> oO
04:29 <Lucifer> ok, the gloves are off
04:30 <Lucifer> I'm sick and tired of random people sending me PMs on the forums asking me to do all sorts of work for them when they're just too lazy to read all the material we've all already put in thousands of hours to make available to them
04:30 <Lucifer> talk about ingratitude, really
04:31 <luke-jr> Lucifer: you could offer them a rate for private consultation :þ
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04:43 <Lucifer> guru3: hey, when you get a chance, can you unlock this topic:  http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18133   ?
04:43 <Lucifer> or edit the post yourself.  :)
04:43 <Lucifer> I want to put some text in there explicitly telling people *not* to send private messages or personal emails to developers or anybody else on the forums asking for help
04:43 <Lucifer> that they instead need to post publicly, where they can get the most help
04:44 <luke-jr> Lucifer: if they really read that, they wouldn't have the opportunity to PM anyone
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05:11 <noob13> ivantis: you might wanna take a look at http://beta.armagetronad.net/resource-browser/resource/
05:11 <noob13> and http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Making_Maps_by_Hand
05:12 <noob13> #gn
05:12 <ivantis> you still there?
05:12 <noob13> hardly.
05:12 <ivantis> yeah, i put up the test server and all
05:12 <ivantis> it uses Your_mom's repeat map
05:12 <ivantis> pretty cool
05:13 <ivantis> ok, yawn, i might go to bed soon, im a tired
05:16 <ivantis> hey, has anyone else here had problems with maps?
05:17 <ivantis> when i go to a server thats map is at resource.armagetronad.net, it wont load the map because resource.armagetronad.net and beta.armagetronad.net are blocked or something to my internet
05:17 <ivantis> but when i go to them through something like ijapan.org/red/, it works
05:24 <ivantis> ok, i have to go. l8rZ
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10:19 <epsy> hi
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10:39 <Goodygumdrops> anybody ever see ~ X ~?
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11:05 <Goodygumdrops> :-(
11:06 <guru3> Lucifer: done, say when to relock it
11:06 <luke-jr> Goodygumdrops: xfroggy here
11:07 <Goodygumdrops> whoa
11:07 <Goodygumdrops> what?
11:07 <Goodygumdrops> you're lukejr
11:08 <luke-jr> ~ X ~ is xfroggy on IRC
11:08 <Goodygumdrops> what channel?
11:08 <Goodygumdrops> oh wait
11:08 <Goodygumdrops> yes
11:08 <Goodygumdrops> I know
11:08 <luke-jr> here, when he's online
11:08 <Goodygumdrops> but he's not here
11:08 <Goodygumdrops> whatever
11:08 <Goodygumdrops> have you seen him?
11:08 <Goodygumdrops> xfroggy?
11:09 <luke-jr> #last --from xfroggy
11:09 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 50000 messages.
11:09 <luke-jr> not lately
11:09 <Goodygumdrops> yikes!
11:09 <Goodygumdrops> me neither
11:15 <epsy> #seen xfroggy
11:15 <armabot> epsy: xfroggy was last seen in #armagetron 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 37 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <xfroggy> I guess I touched your sensitive side :D
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11:36 <wrtlprnft> sent 1855839041 bytes  received 5473674 bytes  1108254.07 bytes/sec
11:36 <wrtlprnft> total size is 1840699387  speedup is 0.99
11:36 <wrtlprnft> that's probably a bad thing, right?
11:36 <guru3> doesn't 0.99 mean it slowed down?
11:36 <wrtlprnft> that's what i was wondering about
11:38 <wrtlprnft> epsy: darn uppercase letters
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13:00 <armabot> gentoo: vapier * gentoo-x86/games-action/armagetronad/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
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13:28 <kbblak> hi all
13:29 <kbblak> epsy, with this antilagsettings it is more laggy ;)
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13:31 <epsy> when did you check last time?
13:31 <epsy> kbblak,
13:31 <kbblak> yesterday
13:32 <kbblak> it was really laggy
13:32 <epsy> ah
13:32 <epsy> yeah
13:32 <epsy> tht was a try in the wrong direction
13:32 <epsy> i tried sth else this working and it seems good
13:33 <epsy> but well, we'll need to see if it stays ok with 12 players
13:33 <kbblak> ok
13:33 <kbblak> i ll look for it
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14:58 <Monkey_arma> hi there
14:58 <FDX> Hi
14:58 <Monkey_arma> cool
14:59 <FDX> http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/9945/wtfih3.jpg
14:59 <FDX> That's the bug
14:59 <Monkey_arma> ok this is the main armagetron channel..come here for help or even we all just chat sometimes
14:59 <Monkey_arma> sure
14:59 <FDX> okay
15:00 <Monkey_arma> so how did you manage to find g5 test server?
15:00 <FDX> Random selection^^
15:01 <FDX> I only selected one and joined xD
15:01 <Monkey_arma> hah
15:01 <Monkey_arma> ok well for a start i dont know why you have 2 local hosts on there
15:01 <Monkey_arma>
15:01 <Monkey_arma> but anyway
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15:02 <Monkey_arma> what client version are you using?
15:02 <FDX> Now 3.0 but I also tried with 2.8
15:02 <Monkey_arma> on what OS?
15:02 <FDX> Vista
15:02 <FDX> Home Premium
15:02 <Monkey_arma> :\
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15:02 <Monkey_arma> hi pav
15:03 <FDX> On xp armagetron worked fine
15:03 <pavelo> hi
15:03 <FDX> but now...
15:03 <FDX> Hi
15:03 <Monkey_arma> yes vista is kind of the wooden spoon of OSs
15:03 <FDX> But my friend has also vista and there he can play without this bug
15:03 <FDX> :(
15:04 <Monkey_arma> same vista as u?
15:04 <FDX> Yes
15:04 <pavelo> Monkey_arma: try , I'm really interested to see how it works
15:04 <Monkey_arma> ok what is taht?
15:04 <Monkey_arma> server on your comp?
15:04 <pavelo> my server ?
15:04 <Monkey_arma> ok
15:04 <pavelo> yep
15:04 <Monkey_arma> i just help this guy if i can first
15:05 <pavelo> cool
15:05 <Monkey_arma> well if i cant help you FDX someone here should be able to..its
15:05 <FDX> okay
15:05 <FDX> it's?
15:06 <Monkey_arma> what version of tron does your friend use?
15:06 <FDX> 0.3.0 too
15:06 <Monkey_arma> and you say you have tried the stable .
15:06 <FDX> yes
15:06 <FDX> the same bug
15:07 <Monkey_arma> and you have never seen the names not even once on vista
15:07 <FDX> yes
15:07 <Monkey_arma> yes as in you have not ever seen them
15:07 <Monkey_arma> ?
15:07 <Monkey_arma> ok
15:08 <Monkey_arma> http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/9945/wtfih3.jpg
15:08 <Monkey_arma> pav check that too
15:08 <Monkey_arma> well you should not have 2 localhosts at the top
15:08 <FDX> yes
15:08 <Monkey_arma> means "your computer"
15:08 <FDX> I know
15:09 <noob13> have u scrolled through the entire list to see if the ones with names are at the bottom or so?
15:09 <pavelo> Monkey_arma: localhosts are not that strange, some servers with strange configs advertise as their address
15:09 <FDX> yes
15:10 <FDX> Always there are no names
15:10 <FDX> sry, im afk
15:10 <Monkey_arma> but why 2?
15:10 <pavelo> FDX: what kind of connection do you have ?
15:10 <Monkey_arma> hmm ok if u say
15:11 <pavelo> Monkey_arma: they usuallly end up on bottom since you can't ping them though
15:11 <Monkey_arma> ok ..i have never seen any but if you say so
15:11 <noob13> why does the version number on his localhost say pre_0.2.5?
15:12 <pavelo> noob13: because it is unreachable
15:12 <pavelo> Monkey_arma: they are there even now, just look at the bottom of the list
15:12 <noob13> ok..
15:12 <noob13> i see so its not actually HIS localhost
15:12 <pavelo> yes
15:12 <noob13> but rather someone with SERVER_IP
15:12 <noob13> k :P
15:13 <Monkey_arma> there is 1 localhost on my masterlist
15:13 <Monkey_arma> FDX, have you tried pressing "r"
15:13 <Monkey_arma> to refresh?
15:13 <Monkey_arma> in the master list
15:13 <pavelo> can he connect to the servers ?
15:14 <Monkey_arma> yes
15:14 <Monkey_arma> he was on with us at G5 server
15:14 <Monkey_arma> but he selected randomly
15:15 <pavelo> if he's behind a nat or sth, it may not like the massive pinging arma does when refreshing the list, so the servers show up as unreachable
15:15 <Monkey_arma> maybe
15:16 <Monkey_arma> if he is on vista....i doubt it
15:16 <noob13> i would not be surprised
15:16 <pavelo> doubt what ?
15:17 <Monkey_arma> also look how the right hand side is messed up
15:17 <noob13> thats probably because its windowed
15:18 <pavelo> don't know, i never saw a german arma
15:18 <Monkey_arma> look at the columns
15:18 <pavelo> i see
15:18 <Monkey_arma> its is a large window
15:18 <Monkey_arma> i am testing in windowed..i dont get that even at start
15:21 <Monkey_arma> unless the columns start like  that and then get moved
15:23 <noob13> u aren't using the 0.3 branch tho are you?
15:23 <noob13> i'd suggest FDX tries the latest stable client:
15:23 <Monkey_arma> he has
15:23 <Monkey_arma> read up ;)
15:23 <noob13> right..
15:23 <noob13> and same problem?
15:23 <Monkey_arma> yes
15:23 <Monkey_arma> :)
15:23 <pavelo> i suggest he throws vista out of the window
15:24 <Monkey_arma> hah me too
15:24 <noob13> then its probably some pre-installed firewall software on his machine that needs configuring
15:24 <Monkey_arma> could be
15:24 <Monkey_arma> packet filter or w/e
15:25 <Monkey_arma> although i thought if it cant get to servers it displays "server cant be reached messages"
15:26 <Monkey_arma> or similar for other way round
15:26 <pavelo> what does "nicht erreichbar" mean ?
15:26 <pavelo> sounds like unreachable to me
15:26 <Monkey_arma> me too
15:26 <noob13> can't be reached..
15:26 <noob13> #t ger eng nicht erreichbar
15:26 <armabot> noob13: not attainable
15:26 <noob13> :P
15:26 <pavelo> close enough
15:27 <Monkey_arma> how odd that only one is unreachable..the others searching
15:28 <noob13> the others would probably time out eventually as well
15:28 <pavelo> they would probably become unreachable soon
15:28 <Monkey_arma> with broadband it takes no time
15:28 <noob13> timing out does..
15:29 <Monkey_arma> hmm
15:29 <noob13> as its waiting for reply for some given time of seconds
15:29 <Monkey_arma> not on mine
15:30 <FDX> I'm back
15:30 <FDX> I already tried to disable my firmware
15:30 <pavelo> firewall you mean ?
15:30 <Monkey_arma> firmware?
15:30 <noob13> windows firewall too?
15:30 <FDX> firewall, yes xD
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15:30 <FDX> both
15:30 <FDX> Windows fw and Norton fw
15:31 <Monkey_arma> fdx do you have broadband?
15:31 <FDX> DSL 6000
15:31 <FDX> Is that broadband?
15:31 <noob13> yes
15:31 <FDX> I don't know
15:31 <FDX> okay
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15:31 <Monkey_arma> yes if  dsl
15:31 <pavelo> FDX: have you tried any other OS on that machine ?
15:31 <Monkey_arma> yes pav he did xp
15:31 <Monkey_arma> and it worked
15:31 <pavelo> oh
15:32 <FDX> before I got my notebook I layed on my old pc which had XP
15:32 <pavelo> then go back to xp :P
15:32 <FDX> No^^
15:32 <noob13> its an upgrade!
15:32 <FDX> ?
15:32 <Monkey_arma> so FDX have you tried totallly disabling firewalls then ?
15:32 <Monkey_arma> XP > Vista
15:32 <FDX> Total disable, yes
15:32 <noob13> Norton can be a bitch i hear..you should make sure its not running in any form
15:33 <noob13> ok, good
15:33 <Monkey_arma> do you have any routers or packet filters or anything like that?
15:33 <Monkey_arma> what device do you use to  connect ? adsl modem?
15:33 <FDX> Only the router where my laptop is connected to
15:33 <Monkey_arma> ok
15:33 <FDX> em
15:33 <Monkey_arma> router will have modem in it
15:33 <FDX> Which router? I don't know
15:34 <Monkey_arma> your router could be setup to packet filter
15:34 <FDX> I have no rights to open the configuration to the router
15:34 <Monkey_arma> there should be a way of accessing the setup from your browser
15:34 <FDX> Yes
15:34 <Monkey_arma> how come no rigghts?
15:34 <noob13> hmm..
15:34 <FDX> Password
15:35 <Monkey_arma> hah
15:35 <FDX> My father set a password
15:35 <FDX> xD
15:35 <Monkey_arma> :)
15:35 <Monkey_arma> oh noes
15:35 <madmax> did you use the same router when you had XP?
15:35 <FDX> He don't want that i play with the config^^
15:35 <FDX> Yes
15:35 <noob13> hmm
15:35 <Monkey_arma> but his father may have altered config when setting up xp
15:35 <Monkey_arma> er vista
15:36 <Monkey_arma> well..first thing is speak to your father
15:36 <pavelo> do you still have the old comp lying around ?
15:36 <FDX> pavelo: no
15:36 <FDX> monkey: okay
15:36 <FDX> I'll try
15:39 <FDX> Now I disabled norton and windows fw
15:39 <FDX> But again the bug
15:39 <Monkey_arma> well router can do its own packet filtering
15:40 <Monkey_arma> but it may not be the router
15:40 <FDX> But I have the router since 1 year
15:40 <pavelo> it has to be very strange filtering if he can connect normally
15:40 <Monkey_arma> but maybe your father has changed config when installing Vista
15:40 <FDX> I got my nb 4 days ago
15:41 <Monkey_arma> nb?
15:41 <FDX> Why should he change the config?
15:41 <FDX> nb = notebook
15:41 <FDX> I connected the nb to the router and everything worked fine - without changing the config
15:41 <Monkey_arma> so you have tried xp on the nb with arma?
15:42 <FDX> No
15:42 <FDX> But I haven't xp as a full functional cd
15:42 <Monkey_arma> oO
15:42 <FDX> It's only a recovery cd
15:42 <FDX> xD
15:42 <Monkey_arma> harsh
15:42 <Monkey_arma> have you ever thought of trying ubuntu?
15:42 <madmax> heh it's unlikely there was a config change
15:42  * Monkey_arma agrees
15:43 <FDX> I had ubuntu
15:43  * Monkey_arma is just plucking at straws
15:43 <Monkey_arma> and?
15:43 <FDX> But the latest version don't install
15:43 <FDX> I tried
15:43 <Monkey_arma> you are the third person with ubuntu  issues
15:43 <Monkey_arma> yes
15:43 <FDX> I can't boot with ubuntu
15:43 <madmax> was looking at the forums but can't find the same problem
15:44 <pavelo> what does it say ?
15:44 <Monkey_arma> maybe we can help you to install
15:44 <FDX> menu.xxx (I don't know the extension) was not found
15:44 <FDX> Or something similar
15:44 <Monkey_arma> grub issue it seems?
15:44 <pavelo> lst ?
15:44 <FDX> yes, lst
15:44 <FDX> Grub issue
15:44 <pavelo> (grub sucks)
15:44 <Monkey_arma> <-- lilo
15:45 <FDX> I used wubi to install ubuntu
15:45 <FDX> wubi 8.04
15:45 <pavelo> how about you just use a regular cd ?
15:45 <FDX> bootable cd?
15:45 <pavelo> yep
15:46 <FDX> That works
15:46 <FDX> But then I can't install packages
15:46 <pavelo> why ?
15:46 <FDX> bootable cd
15:46 <FDX> On a cd it can't write down files
15:46 <pavelo> i don't mean a livecd
15:47 <FDX> oh
15:47 <pavelo> just a bootable cd that will instal linux on your disk
15:47 <FDX> hmm.
15:47 <FDX> I haven't tried that
15:47 <FDX> only live cd and wubi
15:48 <noob13> the livecd usually has an icon for "Install Ubuntu" on the desktop
15:48 <noob13> have you got an extra partiotion you could use?
15:48 <FDX> no
15:48 <noob13> hmm..
15:48 <pavelo> care to make one ?
15:48 <Monkey_arma> the good  thing about linux is that you can often find a way around issues because you have choice. The bad thing is its messy.
15:48 <FDX> yes
15:49 <Monkey_arma> can he not do a flash bootable?
15:49 <noob13> he could..buut..
15:49 <FDX> You mean I could try to start the live ubuntu on a usb-stick?
15:50 <noob13> he means you could install it on the flash drive..
15:50 <FDX> So that I can install packages etc.?
15:50 <FDX> flash drive?
15:50 <noob13> usb-stick
15:51 <FDX> ah
15:51 <noob13> it's possible, but u should have a rather large stick
15:51 <FDX> I haven't an usb stick but I can try it with my p4 player
15:51 <FDX> #mp4
15:51 <noob13> hehe..
15:51 <FDX> 4 GB
15:51 <FDX> is that large? xD
15:51 <pavelo> i think a hard disk install would be simpler
15:52 <MrBougo> omg it's pavelo
15:52  * noob13 agrees 100%
15:52 <pavelo> no shit
15:53 <FDX> Sry, I have to go
15:53 <FDX> cu later
15:53 <noob13> ok, bye
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15:54 <pavelo> Monkey_arma: noob13: anyone else: want to try now
15:54 <Monkey_arma> sure pav
15:54 <noob13> ok...
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15:56 <Monkey_arma> yo
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15:59 <Monkey_arma> lol hi lack
15:59 <lckdscl> hi
15:59 <Monkey_arma> mibbit/
15:59 <Monkey_arma> ?
15:59 <lckdscl> yeah, i'm not at home atm
16:00 <Flex> new name? :p
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16:19 <noob13> pavelo: what setting did you change? my client is too old for it.. :P
16:19 <pavelo> oh, that's what happened
16:19 <pavelo> the entire blue team left :)
16:19 <noob13> hehe
16:19 <pavelo> cycle_width
16:19 <epsy> cough it's norton's fault cough
16:20 <noob13> epsy you should let a doctor look at that cough of yours..
16:20 <noob13> its not sounding too healthy
16:21 <Flex> could be lung cancer
16:21 <epsy> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=196840#196840
16:21 <epsy> is this the appropriate answer?
16:21 <Flex> or liver disease, or was that kidney
16:24 <Monkey_arma> haha
16:24 <Monkey_arma> man tron going downhill
16:25 <epsy> yes, of course
16:25 <Monkey_arma> and he is american?
16:26 <Monkey_arma> his english is poooor
16:26 <epsy> ah, that
16:26 <Flex> you know what's more sad.. epsy's response
16:27 <Flex> why don't you start speaking in l33t and act like a snob constantly
16:27 <Flex> oh wait..
16:27 <epsy> no, i didn't want to offend you with the guy who has no hair Flex
16:34 <Monkey_arma> :0
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18:58 <K-Yo> How can I compile a server on my ubuntu computer?
18:58 <K-Yo> a dedicated
19:00 <noob13> best way is to use the bzr checkout
19:00 <noob13> here are the different branches https://code.launchpad.net/armagetronad/+branches
19:01 <noob13> u should install bzr and all other dependencies
19:01 <K-Yo> okay
19:01 <K-Yo> I already have the svn commands
19:01 <K-Yo> is bzr better than svn?
19:02 <Monkey_arma> well they are using bzr now it seems
19:02 <Monkey_arma> K-Yo, http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Server_Administration_Guide
19:02 <Monkey_arma> that has some useful stuff after you get it installed
19:02 <K-Yo> Monkey_arma, I read that
19:02 <Monkey_arma> hehe...its lacking :)
19:03 <epsy> K-Yo, http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/mozinor/video/x2rsw8_archives-mix-audio-2001-tron_creation
19:03 <Monkey_arma> if you know svn, you can learn bzr
19:03 <K-Yo> Monkey_arma, i guess i will ;)
19:03 <Monkey_arma> it also allows decentralised style of version control
19:03 <K-Yo> and which branch is the dedicated server?
19:03 <Monkey_arma> but just use the centralised for now
19:03 <K-Yo> they all have strange names
19:04 <Monkey_arma> ?
19:04 <Monkey_arma> what do you want?
19:04 <Monkey_arma> trunk or a .2.8  variant?
19:05 <K-Yo> trunk
19:05 <K-Yo> the trunk works?
19:05 <Monkey_arma> im on it for client
19:05 <Monkey_arma> so yes
19:05 <K-Yo> ;)
19:05 <K-Yo> me too
19:05 <Monkey_arma> and pav was on server earlier with trunk
19:05 <noob13> sty+ct version is there..
19:05 <noob13> and they all work as dedicated servers if you install them correctly
19:05 <Monkey_arma> so K-Yo you just need to do a checkout
19:06 <epsy> ~bzr
19:06 <epsy> #bzr
19:06 <armabot> bzr co lp:armagetronad (bzr >= 1.0)
19:06 <epsy> :)
19:06 <K-Yo> Monkey_arma, I do have the source for the dedicated server?
19:06 <Monkey_arma> you will do if you do that
19:06 <Monkey_arma> yes
19:06 <Monkey_arma> then we can help you from there
19:06 <K-Yo> I compiled it, and I do "make run" to play
19:06 <Monkey_arma> oO
19:07 <Monkey_arma> that was quick
19:07 <epsy> K-Yo, the sources for cleint and dedi are same
19:07 <K-Yo> I already have the svn version
19:07 <K-Yo> oh
19:07 <K-Yo> then how can I use it as a server now?
19:07 <Monkey_arma> you just run it with different options
19:07 <K-Yo> if possible with auth
19:07 <K-Yo> okay
19:07 <Monkey_arma> noob13, will tell you what options
19:07 <epsy> ./configure --disable-glout --enable-armathentication
19:07 <Monkey_arma> maybe he needs bootstrap.sh first?
19:07 <noob13> and for armathentication u should install zthread..
19:08 <Monkey_arma> or he has done that
19:08 <epsy> mé obtient un truc assez récent
19:08 <Monkey_arma> oh and to get thread to work you must do --prefix /usr
19:08 <K-Yo> je vais faire un ptit co
19:08 <K-Yo> svn is up to date right?
19:08 <Monkey_arma> on ubuntu
19:08 <epsy> yea but bzr is better
19:08 <noob13> Monkey_arma: on ubuntu it worked normally
19:08 <noob13> we'll see
19:08 <K-Yo> i'll install bzr then I guess
19:08 <epsy> because the link between bzr and svn often breaks
19:09 <K-Yo> #bzr
19:09 <armabot> bzr co lp:armagetronad (bzr >= 1.0)
19:09 <epsy> with this you get trunk btw
19:09 <Lucifer> guru3: thanks, you can lock it again now.
19:09 <epsy> for dedis currently it's best to use 0.2.8
19:09 <epsy> lp:armagetronad/0.2.8 :)
19:11 <K-Yo> ok
19:11 <K-Yo> dlin
19:11 <K-Yo> g
19:11 <K-Yo> what is disabling glout for?
19:11 <epsy> enableing dedicated
19:11 <guru3> dedicated server
19:11 <K-Yo> okay
19:11 <Monkey_arma> glout is graphics i guess
19:11  * epsy suggests genocide of --disable-glout incase we get no-visual client
19:12 <guru3> a ncurses based UI
19:12 <epsy> or none at all.
19:12 <K-Yo> is it written on the wiki this glout stuff? i never saw that
19:12 <guru3> somewhere it should be
19:12 <Lucifer> it's in the docs that ship with the game
19:12 <K-Yo> okay thx Lucifer
19:12 <Lucifer> which you should really be looking at *first*  :)
19:13 <K-Yo> :P
19:13 <K-Yo> I always look once nothing works anymore
19:13 <K-Yo> I know it's baaad
19:13 <Lucifer> anyway, at some point it'd be nice if we changed it to something more obvious, like --enable-client --enable-dedicated-server --enable-master-server
19:14  * K-Yo agrees
19:14 <epsy> I agree
19:14 <K-Yo> what is master server for?
19:14 <epsy> or even remove -server
19:14 <K-Yo> it never host a game right?
19:14 <epsy> K-Yo, "server lists"
19:14 <epsy> no
19:14 <K-Yo> okay
19:14 <Lucifer> yeah, it's what your client talks to when it wants to know about other servers it can join
19:14 <K-Yo> there are only 4 or smthing right
19:15 <epsy> 5 or 6 i think
19:15 <guru3> 4 on 5 domains
19:15 <Lucifer> 4 or 5, I forget the exact count
19:15 <epsy> there's also z-man-work 's tourney master
19:15 <K-Yo> okay
19:15 <guru3> there was a good reason for the 5th one
19:15 <guru3> which ive forgotten now
19:15 <guru3> but it was a good reason
19:15 <epsy> haha
19:15 <K-Yo> lol guru3
19:15 <Lucifer> it was something like "we've had two master server operators go awol, we need some more servers!"
19:16 <guru3> i think that was part of of it
19:16 <Lucifer> or mine was broke and we had another go awol, something like that
19:16  * Lucifer thinks his is still running
19:16  * Lucifer hasn't checked it in awhile
19:16 <Lucifer> that's what we need now, a tool to monitor the master servers and report to us when one of them is down for more than an hour or so
19:17 <guru3> yeah
19:17 <guru3> not a bad idea
19:17 <guru3> esp considering 4 & 5 are the same machine
19:17 <guru3> if the one dies
19:17 <guru3> if it dies
19:17 <guru3> that'd be bad
19:18 <Lucifer> takes out two servers
19:18 <epsy> K-Yo, http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/mozinor/video/x2fnlo_imf-larchitecte_creation haha
19:18 <guru3> yeah
19:18 <guru3> whoops
19:18 <guru3> i was planning on running the 5th someplace else
19:18 <guru3> i think
19:18 <Lucifer> heh
19:18 <Lucifer> well, at this point, the way my lan is setup, it doesn't make sense for me to adopt another master server
19:18 <Lucifer> because if my server goes down, my whole lan goes down
19:19 <guru3> yeah... lots of things like that
19:19 <K-Yo> I launched it
19:19 <guru3> there was a good reason
19:19 <guru3> there really was
19:19 <guru3> for adding #5
19:20 <Lucifer> wasn't it so if one of the others went awol for some time, you could replace it with #5 while we looked for someone to step up and take it over?
19:20 <pavelo> perhaps you should add aalib as an output option... that way even Monkey_arma could play with a a decent framerate
19:20 <Lucifer> I remember that being the reason you started a master server, but I don't rememberwhich it was exactly
19:21 <guru3> yeah
19:21 <guru3> but the 5th server
19:21 <guru3> isn't in the rotation for anything other than trunk i think
19:21 <K-Yo> epsy, lol
19:21 <Lucifer> alphas?
19:22 <guru3> it's not in the 0.2.8 branch on svn
19:25 <K-Yo> "authentication via global ID not available onthis server"
19:26 <epsy> GLOBAL_ID 1
19:26 <epsy> in other words, rtfm :)
19:26 <K-Yo> :D
19:26 <Monkey_arma> pavelo, ?????
19:27 <Monkey_arma> oh haha
19:28 <Monkey_arma> its ascii yes?
19:28 <Monkey_arma> great idea
19:28 <pavelo> yep, try mplayer -vo aa
19:29 <Monkey_arma> i have played a game in ascii...what was it called...hmm
19:29 <Monkey_arma> begins with i
19:30 <Lucifer> infocom?
19:30 <Monkey_arma> no
19:30 <Lucifer> they were a company
19:30  * Lucifer played lots of infocom games
19:30 <Monkey_arma> its some guy running around shooting people..like  a platformer
19:30 <Lucifer> hmmm, I don't know
19:30 <MaZuffeR> overkill?
19:30 <Monkey_arma> they used to have servers like we do for tron
19:30 <Monkey_arma> YES
19:30 <Lucifer> nethack?
19:31 <Monkey_arma> maz nice one
19:31 <Monkey_arma> :)
19:31 <Monkey_arma> overkill
19:31 <Monkey_arma> ok not i lol
19:31 <Lucifer> maybe you played the apple verison, iOverkill
19:31 <Monkey_arma> heh
19:32 <Monkey_arma> its a great idea though..using ascii
19:32 <K-Yo> where is the fucking manual??? I mean about auth etc...
19:33 <epsy> help about configuration is in the configuration folder
19:33 <epsy> :)
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19:58 <K-Yo> epsy, one thing: about the map :/ why does it always comes back to square?
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20:21 <epsy> KeY_3113, ?
20:21 <KeY_3113> oui
20:21 <KeY_3113> c'est bizarre
20:21 <epsy> jpige pâs
20:21 <KeY_3113> ca revient tjrs a la mm carte
20:21 <epsy> tu essayes de faire koi
20:21 <Lucifer> muis bizarre
20:21 <KeY_3113> bah viens tu va voir
20:21 <KeY_3113> de changer de map
20:21 <KeY_3113> d'en mettre une que j'ai moi mm uploadé
20:21 <epsy> dsl sa marche pas quand je me branche à unaffiliated/k-yo :)
20:22 <Lucifer> quiche de rouge en Anglais mas tout suite
20:22 <Monkey_arma> :0
20:22 <KeY_3113> .si k-yo -v
20:22 <KeY_3113> #si k-yo -v
20:22 <armabot> KeY_3113: K-Yo tryout ( running 0.2.8_alpha20080510 unix dedicated, url: http://crazy-tronners.com, Description: “All settings at default values.“, Players (2/16): CT_emmy (peiaemanuel@crazy-tronners.com), cT_K-Yo (K-Yo@crazy-tronners.com)
20:30 <epsy> #ping
20:30 <armabot> pong
20:30 <epsy> KeY_3113, ?
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20:48 -!- kidanger [n=kidanger@] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
20:53 <wrtlprnft> #ping
20:53 <armabot> pong
20:54 <Monkey_arma> #wrtlpwnft
20:54 <Monkey_arma> #wrtlprnft
20:54 <Monkey_arma> Oo
21:12 -!- ivantis [i=3ff5a627@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-9fedda9d9f70bad1] has joined #armagetron
21:13 <ivantis> i love <s>-| D u r k a  D u r k a  L a n d |-</s> Fortress Cafe!
21:13 <ivantis> anyone home?
21:13 <Monkey_arma> some of use are yes
21:13 <Monkey_arma> hi
21:14 <ivantis> oh hey
21:14 <pippijn> I'm home, too
21:14 <ivantis> well, i finally got shooting to work and accept old clients
21:14 <ivantis> im a happy duck
21:14 <epsy> quack
21:14 <ivantis> moo
21:15 <ivantis> when my computer beeps at me, its a quack
21:15 <Flex> http://lolcat.com/pics/takethis.jpg
21:15 <ivantis> how do you put in pictures?
21:16 <Flex> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/joeyblue/motivator363367.jpg
21:16 <ivantis> oh, another thing, how do you specify a map from an URL?
21:16 <epsy> ..lol http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/c/c2/Not-again-picard2.jpg
21:16 <epsy> ivantis, 2 ways
21:16 <epsy> ivantis, there's one clean way, having the map on a resource repositry
21:16 <Flex> ivantis, same as linking an image
21:17 <ivantis> yeah
21:17 <epsy> and there's the dirty way
21:17 <epsy> <resourcepath>(<real URL>)
21:17 <ivantis> how about the clean way?
21:18 <Flex> i used to have a hamster :(
21:18 <Flex> http://lolcat.com/images/lolcats/1215.jpg
21:18 <epsy> sec
21:18 <ivantis> so i should set it to MAP_FILE <http://maps.ivantis.net/something/something->?
21:18 <Flex> ivantis, do you think this is sweet
21:18 <Flex> http://lolcat.com/images/lolcats/1215.jpg
21:18 <Flex> would you kill it?
21:18 <epsy> without the <>
21:18 <ivantis> what is it?
21:18 <epsy> but there..no
21:19 <epsy> what you are doing is the dirty way here
21:19 <epsy> sec
21:19 <epsy> wiki is laggying
21:19 <ivantis> hang on, i have to pee
21:19 <Flex> it's like a mouse or something
21:19 <Flex> not sure the species
21:20 <Flex> but this evil person called Monkey_arma kills them daily
21:20 <Monkey_arma> :)
21:21 <Flex> tell the world!
21:21 <Monkey_arma> ok epsy say about the time here plesae
21:21 <Monkey_arma> how i got pwned
21:21 <epsy> pff u nub
21:22 <ivantis> ok, what?
21:23 <epsy> hm i'd better explain it myself
21:23 <ivantis> hey, whats a good IRC client for ubuntu?
21:23 <epsy> ok the clean way, is to have a resource repository
21:23 <Flex> ivantis, Monkey_arma must die
21:23 <epsy> xchat
21:23 <Flex> ivantis, Monkey_arma must die
21:23 <ivantis> i dont like the one at mibbit
21:23 <ivantis> resource repository?
21:23 <ivantis> what is dat?
21:23 <Monkey_arma> well its better than nothing and you can do all irc commands
21:23 <Monkey_arma> but the smilies are crazy
21:23 <Monkey_arma> check this out ivantis
21:23 <epsy> a resource repository is a place that contains ressources, like maps, cockpits and such
21:23 <ivantis> you mean like resource.armagetronad.net
21:24 <Monkey_arma> :0 :) ;) :P
21:24 <Monkey_arma> hah
21:24 <Flex> that is the place where epsy LIVES
21:24 <epsy> a bit like that yes
21:24 <ivantis> ok, how do i do this?
21:24 <Flex> they have a special room for him with straps
21:24 <epsy> ivantis, a plain webserver will do
21:24 <epsy> ivantis, just be sure to have the files placed correctly
21:24 <manuel__> Is anyone here good with breaking simple codes?
21:25 <ivantis> ok, i have apache2 running on my host machine, is that good enoguh?
21:25 <manuel__> Simple as in, should be decodable without a computer.
21:25 <epsy> manuel__, abc123 ?
21:25 -!- manuel__ is now known as z-man
21:25 <z-man> something like that :)
21:25 <epsy> yes, more than enough :)
21:25 <Flex> like cryptography?
21:25 <epsy> ressource_base/<author>/<category>/<map>-<version.<resourcetype>.xml
21:25 <z-man> http://forums.introversion.co.uk/introversion/viewtopic.php?p=53600#53600
21:25 <ivantis> um, try looking at it on ivantis.ath.cx, see if it broadcasting throughout the world
21:25 <epsy> ivantis, ressource_base/<author>/<category>/<map>-<version.<resourcetype>.xml
21:26 <z-man> Flex: cryptography and, obviously, steganography :)
21:26 <epsy> with these things from what you defined in the <Resource> tag from your map
21:26 <z-man> It's a regular plain text.
21:26 <Flex> what do we get if we do it
21:26 <Flex> cake?
21:26 <ivantis> what? im to tired
21:26 <z-man> The joy of having solved a riddle?
21:26 <epsy> #fetch http://ivantis.ath.cx/
21:26 <armabot> epsy: 'Hello, world!\n'
21:26 <Flex> the joy of cake?
21:26 <z-man> Of having outsmarted me :)
21:26 <Flex> outsmarted cake?
21:26 <epsy> ivantis, seems to work :)
21:27  * z-man is gnawling on it for some hours already.
21:27 <ivantis> #fetch http://ivantis.ath.cx/test.cgi
21:27 <armabot> ivantis: CGI-TEST, if you see this, CGIs work, place them in and in all subdirectories of /var/www/, permissions should be 777.
21:27 <ivantis> #fetch http://ivantis.ath.cx/test.pl
21:27 <armabot> ivantis: PL-TEST, if you see this, .PLs work, place them in and in all subdirectories of /var/www/, permissions should be 777.
21:27 <ivantis> good, my web server works
21:28 <epsy> now just put up a resource folder (you can still put itat the root of the webserver but that's a bad idea)
21:28 <ivantis> um, what is a good map for soccer?
21:28 <epsy> and use that as base folder
21:28 <ivantis> thats what i need
21:28 <epsy> soccer as in styball?
21:28 <ivantis> yeah
21:28 <epsy> there are some already existing
21:28 <epsy> sec
21:29 <ivantis> resource.armagetronad.net is blocked on my internet
21:29 <ivantis> idk why
21:29 <epsy> http://resource.crazy-tronners.com/resource/ed/capture/
21:30 <epsy> http://resource.crazy-tronners.com/resource/ed/capture/soccersty-0.1.3.aamap.xml
21:30 <epsy> i remember i made some, too
21:31 <ivantis> so i could just set it to MAP_FILE http://resource.crazy-tronners.com/resource/ed/caputre/soccersty-0.1.3.aamap.xml, right?
21:31 <epsy> no, no and no :)
21:31 <ivantis> how then?
21:31 <epsy> you have one resource repository, here it's http://resource.crazy-tronners.com/resource/
21:31 <epsy> so, set RESOURCE_REPOSITORY_SERVER to match it
21:32 <Flex> it's more of a riddle then anything, z-man is it talking about NORAD?
21:32 <epsy> then, use MAP_FILE ed/caputre/soccersty-0.1.3.aamap.xml
21:32 <ivantis> oh, i get it
21:32 <epsy> now i wonder how come i cant access my repo
21:32 <ivantis> hang on
21:34 <ivantis> but that doesnt work, its just a square box again!
21:34 <Flex> nm probably off topic
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21:34 <Flex> that's aint even anything, that's some gay message board game!
21:35 <Flex> wow i'm slow
21:35 <epsy> took you that long to notice
21:35 <Flex> i just read it
21:36 <epsy> ivantis, how can i reach your server?
21:36 <hoop_tron> hi nerds
21:36 <ivantis> will someone custom connect to ivantis.ath.cx, port 4537 and help me?
21:36 <epsy> i see one at ... grm
21:36 <epsy> ivantis, can't reach
21:36 <ivantis> garg, thats my lagg
21:37 <ivantis> my computer has issues with ping
21:38 <epsy> http://epsy46.free.fr/resource/epsy/styball/ :)
21:38 <Flex> banners!¬
21:38 <Flex> cheap!
21:38 <epsy> the near-far one doesnt really work
21:38 <epsy> Flex, lol
21:38 <luke-jr> epsy fail
21:39 <Flex> epik faiJ
21:39 <epsy> they at least look nice!
21:39 <Flex> how..
21:40 <epsy> you're still ooking at the banner from my ISP?
21:40 <Lucifer> yay, I voted
21:40 <Flex> smashing!
21:40 <Flex> voted for.....
21:40 <Lucifer> acc annexing the rest of round rock independent school district
21:40 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr!
21:40 <Lucifer> which will allow them to build a new campus out here
21:41 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft!
21:41 <epsy> luke-jr, btw, the dns of that serv works, at least
21:41 <Lucifer> it was all that was on the ballot this time.  :/  I live in the county, so while Round Rock had city council positions and judges up for grabs, all my precinct had was the ACC vote
21:41 <luke-jr> epsy: not my fault your DNS is buggyt
21:42 <Lucifer> big ballot, little bit of text, and only two circles, and I was only allowed to fill in one of them ;)
21:42 <ivantis> hogwash, everything is luke-jrs fault
21:42 <Flex> i agree
21:42 <ivantis> isnt that right
21:42 <Lucifer> ivantis: you're totally correct
21:42 <ivantis> but my real question was, how to set a map to an URL
21:43 <Flex> did you say burn luke-jr?
21:43 <ivantis> i see it done in the Wild West
21:43 <Flex> it was common
21:44 <Lucifer> yeah, cowboys used to do that all the time so they could share easily with one another where all the good houses of ill repute were located
21:44 <Flex> yeah that's right
21:44 <ivantis> ha..ha, but i want to know how
21:44 <epsy> ivantis, so, you set your RES.._REPO.._SERVER to http://resource.crazy-tronners.com/resource/
21:44 <epsy> ivantis, btw, WITH the end /
21:44 <ivantis> huh?
21:45 <ivantis> whats the ful setting name?
21:45 <Lucifer> yeah, we don't use os.path.join()
21:45 <ivantis> oh, k
21:45 <ivantis> resource.armagetronad.net is blocked to me
21:45 <epsy> Lucifer, to get http://resource.crazy-tronners.com/resource\ed/capture/soccersty-0.1.3.aamap.xml
21:45 <epsy> ?
21:45 <epsy> ivantis, blame luke-jr
21:45 <hoop_tron> would it be easy changing the zones transparency?
21:46 <epsy> hoop_tron, i tried that; it sucked
21:46 <Lucifer> er, epsy, you've got a \ in there that shouldn't be there
21:46 <epsy> the zone's colors weren't right at all
21:46 <epsy> Lucifer, exactly
21:46 <wrtlprnft> fully transparent zones rock!
21:46 <epsy> :)
21:46 <epsy> wrtlprnft, now that's real gfx!
21:46 <hoop_tron> I imagine that, but whats the file?
21:46 <epsy> gWinZone.cpp
21:47 <hoop_tron> ok =)
21:47 <hoop_tron> is zone color so important?
21:48 <wrtlprnft> woo
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21:48 <wrtlprnft> t! moreutils is in mainline portage now!
21:48 <wrtlprnft> no more sunrise ebuild
21:48 <epsy> hoop_tron, in sumo
21:48 <epsy> hoop_tron, i'll suggest you sth else
21:49 <luke-jr> ivantis: resource.armagetronad.net only blocks spammers and exploit attempts; are you a spammer?
21:49 <epsy> hoop_tron, what v. are you using?
21:49 <hoop_tron> 2.8,.2
21:49 <epsy> ivantis, and people who have "broken" DNS
21:49 <epsy> hoop_tron, ok
21:49 <luke-jr> epsy: that's not a block, that's your computers being brokne
21:50 <epsy> that's one of the hacks i was using :)
21:50 <ivantis> no, im no spammer
21:50 <wrtlprnft> really?
21:50 <Flex> liar
21:50 <epsy> brokne yourself
21:50 <ivantis> its weird, it just got blocked, like a year ago
21:50 <wrtlprnft> only spammers say they're not spammers
21:50 <ivantis> on all of my computers
21:50 <epsy> im not a spammer
21:50 <epsy> (at least not anymore)
21:50 <luke-jr> ivantis: what's your IP?
21:50 <Flex> liar
21:50 <Lucifer> epsy's the biggest spammer
21:50 <ivantis> im doing sumpsing, hang on
21:51 <Lucifer> ivantis: get a new ISP then, because obviously you're a comcast customer
21:51 <wrtlprnft> <GM> voting has started, you have twelve hours to vote for the person you want to lynch for being the spammer
21:51 <luke-jr> Lucifer: does Comcast have broken DNS?
21:51 <Lucifer> YEAH!!!
21:51  * Lucifer votes for epsy
21:51 <Flex> let's burn him
21:51  * luke-jr votes for ivantis
21:51 <Flex> it's quite common
21:51 <luke-jr> even if he's not a spammer, he's sure annoying.
21:51  * wrtlprnft votes for *epsy*
21:51 <Lucifer> unless he gives us some champagne
21:51 <ivantis> i dont use comcast, i use KITUSA.com
21:51 <hoop_tron> epsy: "hoop_tron, i'll suggest you sth else"
21:52 <Flex> ivantis, good for you!
21:52 <epsy> hoop_tron, blame the others for distracting me, now i'm trying to remember that ascii art font program
21:52 <hoop_tron> :Z
21:52 <Lucifer> so, when some stupid game left my terminal text a greyish color, how do I make it white again?
21:52 <wrtlprnft> reset?
21:53 <Lucifer> ahhh, thanks :)
21:53 <ivantis> fix sane
21:53 <wrtlprnft> yw
21:53 <ivantis> or some command like that
21:53 <ivantis> term sane
21:53 <ivantis> i think
21:53 <luke-jr> stty sane, idiot, and it doesn't do colours
21:53 <epsy> hoop_tron, look for sr_alphaBlend
21:53 <ivantis> whatever
21:53 <Lucifer> so, about boost
21:54 <Lucifer> did anybody (besides me) ever figure out how to remove the huge build dependency that makes boost so annoying?
21:54 <hoop_tron> epsy: ascii art? talkin about zones... I dont get it
21:54 <epsy> hoop_tron, look for sr_alphaBlend in gWinZone.cpp
21:54 <wrtlprnft>   OOO
21:54 <epsy> g- is in tron, not game
21:54 <wrtlprnft>  O   O
21:54 <ivantis> ok, i set my RESOURCE..._REP..._... to something else, and it says NO DTD found
21:54 <epsy> wrtlprnft, pwned
21:54 <wrtlprnft> O     O
21:54 <wrtlprnft> O     O
21:54 <wrtlprnft>  O   O
21:54 <wrtlprnft>   OOO
21:54 <wrtlprnft> there you go, a zone!
21:55 <epsy> lol
21:55 <hoop_tron> wow
21:55 <luke-jr> ivantis: did you really save characters typing that?
21:55 <epsy> wrtlprnft, now blend it
21:55 <Flex> O <-- better zone
21:55 <ivantis> no
21:55 <wrtlprnft>   ...
21:55 <wrtlprnft>  .    .
21:55 <luke-jr> Flex: lol
21:55 <hoop_tron> I just want the zones to be transparent so i can see better what im doing
21:55 <wrtlprnft> .     .
21:55 <wrtlprnft> .     .
21:55 <wrtlprnft> .     .
21:55 <wrtlprnft>  .    .
21:55 <wrtlprnft>   ...
21:55 <luke-jr> wr
21:55 <Lucifer> ======  <-- zone from zones v2
21:55 <wrtlprnft> epsy: there you go.
21:55 <z-man> SPAM!
21:55 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft:
21:55 <epsy> hoop_tron, look for sr_alphaBlend in gWinZone.cpp
21:55 <Lucifer> hey, I had a serious question :)
21:55 <Lucifer> did anybody (besides me) ever figure out how to remove the huge build dependency that makes boost so annoying?
21:55 <luke-jr> z-man: we voted to lynch epsy I think
21:56 <wrtlprnft> not me
21:56 <hoop_tron> epsy: okok
21:56 <epsy> hoop_tron, we'd better continue this in PM i think
21:56 <wrtlprnft> does it depend on anything?
21:56 <Lucifer> yes and no
21:56 <wrtlprnft> it just takes ages to compile for me
21:56 <z-man> No, but it's huge.
21:56 <Lucifer> boost really is a big header library with a few things that can be built
21:56 <z-man> About a day for me :(
21:56 <Flex> hoop_tron, why isn't the command that makes it translucent enough?
21:56 <wrtlprnft> and more ram than my server can dream of
21:56 <Lucifer> what you should do is go and download the release from the boost website and just follow their instructions to install it *without building it*
21:56 <ivantis> if a train stops at a train station, what happens at a workstation?
21:56 <Lucifer> or see if there's a use flag or something fo ryou gentoo people
21:57 <luke-jr> uh, binaries?
21:57 <Lucifer> then build arma and remove the boost link flags (if it has any)
21:57 <hoop_tron> Flex: what command? never heard
21:57 <Flex> refers to epsy:
21:57 <Lucifer> it should build, because what we're using is just a header with a template in it, afaik
21:57 <wrtlprnft> i think it's more than that.
21:57 <ivantis> yawn, i think its time to play tetris, later
21:57 <Flex> haha
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21:57 <Lucifer> pulling out that one header is a pain because of boost inner dependencies
21:58 <wrtlprnft> does arma link if you pull out -lboost?
21:58 <Lucifer> but those are still just headers with templates in them, so the simplest and most straightforward approach is to *gasp* do what the boost guys tell you and don't build it
21:58  * Lucifer hasn't tested arma to see if that would work
21:58 <Lucifer> but just untar it somewhere and put the path to that somewhere in your include paths
21:59 <Lucifer> now, the tarball for boost is still pretty big, heh
22:00 <Lucifer> but if we don't have to build the few libraries that get built, the size of the tarball is manageable
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22:01 <wrtlprnft> hmm, what does arma/win do about boost?
22:01 <wrtlprnft> it does compile somehow
22:02  * Lucifer doesn't know what arma/win does
22:02  * Lucifer suspects someone followed the boost instructions for it
22:02 <Lucifer> maybe they found dll's and put them in winlibs?
22:02 <wrtlprnft> i don't think so
22:03 <Lucifer> maybe boost ships with mingw?  ;)
22:03 <Lucifer> (that wouldn't be minimalist, however)
22:03 <Lucifer> I think I need to add the sender to the datagram objects in my robot
22:03 <wrtlprnft> nvm, it's in winlibs
22:04 <wrtlprnft> z-man: any idea why things like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/trunk-winlibs-work/files/svn-v3-list-QlpoOTFBWSZTWZvbKhsAAAdRgAAQABK6798QIABURMgAAaeoNT1TxT1DQbKaeobXKiyAmlWT7Y5MkdJOtXDtB7w7DOGFBHiOBxaUIu7HQyyQSvxdyRThQkJvbKhs%3A7d95bf1e-0414-0410-9756-b78462a59f44%3Aarmagetronad%252Ftrunk%252Fwinlibs%3A8354?file_id=4982%407d95bf1e-0414-0410-9756-b78462a59f44%3Aarmagetronad%252Ftrunk%252Fwinlibs%3Aboost still fail?
22:04 <wrtlprnft> errm
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22:04 <wrtlprnft> nice URI lp has there.
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22:04 <wrtlprnft> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/trunk-winlibs-work/files (any directory link there)
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22:05 <Lucifer> I decided I needed boost::shared_ptr<> in my robot before my brain went mushy trying to manage the datagram instances and thought it was worth it to get it in there
22:05 <z-man> You mean, why they don't work?
22:05 <z-man> It has something to do with the import process. Things that haven't been touched were unbrowsable in other branches, too.
22:06 <z-man> So make a trivial change, and they should start to work :)
22:06 <wrtlprnft> but i did :-)
22:06 <wrtlprnft> the revs aren't at 1 anymore
22:06 <z-man> That doesn't count :)
22:06 <z-man> You need a post-import change.
22:07 <z-man> I think. That was the case in the other branches.
22:07 <wrtlprnft> ah, ok, thanks
22:07 <wrtlprnft> not much point in browsing winlibs anyways
22:07 <z-man> no :)
22:07 <wrtlprnft> and i g2g, won't be back for two weeks
22:07 <Lucifer> oh yeah?
22:07 <Lucifer> well, have fun wherever you're going ;)
22:08 <epsy> hf
22:08 <wrtlprnft> well, briefly if i get internet access somewhere
22:08  * Lucifer has just been given two weeks with too much time on his hands
22:08 <wrtlprnft> to sort out potential trouble, but not to make trivial commits
22:10 <Lucifer> eek, I forgot to add pinging :/
22:15 <Flex> wrtlprnft, where to?
22:16 <Flex> hoop_tron, epsy give him the command!
22:16 <Flex> to make the zone transparent
22:16 <hoop_tron> flex: done thanks =)
22:16 <Flex> that works right
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22:30 <flea> #rank
22:30 <flea> /rank
22:31 <flea> /bin/rank
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23:15 <spidey_> lucifer, freeciv? (don't tell luke-jr, he was bugging me about it last night ;s)
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23:19 <vinavil> it seems there is something interesting in x sumo
23:20 <Flex> no there isn't
23:20 <hoop_tron> :-_
23:21 -luke-jr:#armagetron- You have new Server Mail. Type /server newmail to read it.
23:21 <pippijn> :P
23:21 <pippijn> luke-jr: aha
23:22 <epsy> lol?
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23:30 <Flex> <Monkey_arma> i kill little mice
23:30 <Flex> <Monkey_arma> i kill little mice
23:30 <Flex> <Monkey_arma> i kill little mice
23:31 <Flex> i rest my case
23:31 <epsy> why three times?
23:32 <pippijn> epsy: it's very important
23:32 <Monkey_arma> kick for spam?
23:32 <epsy> <em>phasis
23:32 <Monkey_arma> please  use a pastebin flex
23:32 <Monkey_arma> ;)
23:32 <luke-jr> #spam
23:33 <armabot> G5_Ger noob7_away epsy guru3 kbblak Flex joda_bot Lucifer_bed Ttech z-man Lucifer Flex wrtlprnft StickyNoob liberfiasco spidey_ epsy z-man-work guru3 emphasis madmax z-wt z-man-work armabot hoop_tron z-wt torres MaZuffeR
23:33 <Flex> #spam
23:33 <armabot> guru3 noob13 Lucifer Ttech torres wrtlprnft guru3 kbblak liberfiasco epsy MaZuffeR Lucifer epsy kbblak ct|kyle z-man z-man StickyNoob epsy eddiefantastic pippijn luke-jr Stewie-arma noob13 z-man-work pippijn joda_bot g5vc
23:33 <Flex> nice, this is easy
23:33  * z-man slaps luke-jr and Flex
23:33 <pippijn> Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex Flex
23:33 <ct|kyle> #spam +Flex
23:33 <Flex> YEAAA
23:33 <Flex> i rocked your boats!
23:34 <epsy> #help spam
23:34 <armabot> epsy: (spam <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick $randomNick".
23:34 <ct|kyle> #echo "[spam] Flex"
23:34 <armabot> [spam] Flex
23:34 <luke-jr> …
23:34 <luke-jr> ct|kyle fail
23:34 <Flex> n00b
23:34 <ct|kyle> works with tronner
23:35 <Flex> g0 k1ll ur sef
23:35 <ct|kyle> #echo [spam] Flex
23:35 <ct|kyle> no armabot hates me
23:35 <luke-jr> try #plzpwn
23:35 <epsy> ct|kyle, try #echo hi
23:36 <ct|kyle> #echo hi
23:36 <epsy> luke-jr, can you bring your bot here
23:36 <luke-jr> epsy: no
23:36 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: try #plzpwn
23:36 <ct|kyle> lo
23:36 <epsy> ljrbot: you suck!
23:36 <epsy> o
23:36 <epsy> :(
23:36 <luke-jr> epsy: not his fault
23:36 <Monkey_arma> LIMIT_SCORE: End the match when a player reaches this score (default: 100)
23:36 <luke-jr> blame guru3
23:36 <ct|kyle> #help plzpwn
23:37 <armabot> ct|kyle: Error: There is no command "plzpwn".
23:37 <Monkey_arma> z-man, is that a mistake
23:37 <Monkey_arma> ?
23:37 <epsy> blame his owner?
23:37 <epsy> talking to luke
23:37 <ct|kyle> #echo [spam] Flex
23:37 <Flex> g0 k1ll ur sef
23:37 <epsy> #rape ct|kyle
23:37 <armabot> epsy is a child molestor
23:37 <epsy> blargh
23:37 <luke-jr> LOL
23:37 <Flex> lol kyle
23:37 <Flex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU
23:38 <Flex> u g0t
23:38 <Flex> R
23:38 <Flex> I
23:38 <Flex> C
23:38 <Flex> K
23:38 <Flex> R
23:38 <Flex> O
23:38 <Flex> L
23:38 <Flex> L
23:38 <Flex> E
23:38 <Flex> D
23:38 <luke-jr> Flex: stfu
23:38 <epsy> lol
23:38 <Flex> no u
23:38 <epsy> nooo not rick roll
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23:38 <luke-jr> epsy: #plzpwn tells you who to h4x0r
23:38 -!- mode/#armagetron [+o guru3] by ChanServ
23:38  * epsy prefers picard
23:39 <epsy> #help plzpwn
23:39 <armabot> epsy: (plzpwn <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Please hack this IP: $host".
23:39 -!- Flex was kicked from #armagetron by guru3 [thou shalt not be an idiot]
23:39 -!- mode/#armagetron [-o guru3] by guru3
23:39 <ct|kyle> is noob7_away always away?
23:39 <epsy> #plzpwn
23:39 <armabot> Please hack this IP: mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net
23:39 <epsy> that's not an IP
23:39 <epsy> that's a hostmask
23:39 <epsy> pfff
23:39 <luke-jr> try now
23:39 <epsy> #help plzpwn
23:39 <armabot> epsy: (plzpwn <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Please hack this host: $host".
23:39 <epsy> lol
23:40 <epsy> #hack [plzpwn]
23:40 <luke-jr> #help hack
23:40 <armabot> luke-jr: Error: There is no command "hack".
23:40 <luke-jr> #help alias add
23:40 <armabot> luke-jr: (alias add <name> <alias>) -- Defines an alias <name> that executes <alias>. The <alias> should be in the standard "command argument [nestedcommand argument]" arguments to the alias; they'll be filled with the first, second, etc. arguments. $1, $2, etc. can be used for required arguments. @1, @2, etc. can be used for optional arguments. $* simply means "all remaining arguments," and cannot (1 more message)
23:40 <luke-jr> #alias add hack echo $*
23:41 <armabot> luke-jr: The operation succeeded.
23:41 <luke-jr> :þ
23:41 <luke-jr> #hack haha
23:41 <armabot> haha
23:41 <epsy> 1337
23:41 <hoop_tron> epsy: try zone_alpha .5 with zon_alpha_toggle 1
23:41 <luke-jr> epsy: so try plzpwn plz
23:41 <epsy> hoop_tron, sr_zoneAlpha is a bool
23:41 <epsy> er
23:42 <epsy> #hack [plzpwn]
23:42 <armabot> Please hack this host: mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net
23:42 <luke-jr> blah
23:42 <luke-jr> try again
23:42 <epsy> hoop_tron, because there is any zone_alpha setting?
23:42 <epsy> #hack [plzpwn]
23:42 <armabot> Please hack this host: mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net
23:42 <luke-jr> again
23:42 <hoop_tron> fsure
23:42 <epsy> why
23:42 <luke-jr> ☺
23:42 <epsy> hoop_tron, what does it do
23:42 <epsy> #help hack [plzpwn]
23:42 <armabot> epsy: Error: There is no command "hack pleasehackthishost:mar754822276572.fbx.proxad.net".
23:42 <epsy> #help hack
23:42 <armabot> epsy: (hack <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo $*".
23:43 <epsy> now wtf
23:43 <luke-jr> #help plzpwn
23:43 <armabot> luke-jr: (plzpwn <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Please hack this host: $host".
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23:44 <epsy> #help hack
23:44 <armabot> epsy: (hack <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo $*".
23:44 <epsy> #help plzpwn
23:44 <armabot> epsy: (plzpwn <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Please hack this host: $host [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette]".
23:44 <epsy> ...
23:44 <luke-jr> aww
23:44 <luke-jr> lol
23:44 <epsy> #plzpwn
23:44 <armabot> Please hack this host: mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click*
23:45 <epsy> #plzpwn
23:45 <armabot> Please hack this host: mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click*
23:45 -!- torres [n=torres@pD9E9EE6B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #armagetron
23:45 <epsy> #plzpwn
23:45 <armabot> Please hack this host: mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click*
23:45 <luke-jr> broken!
23:45 <epsy> loool
23:45 <hoop_tron> zone_alpha set zone's opacity
23:45 <epsy> hoop_tron, i guessed that
23:45 <luke-jr> #help plzpwn
23:45 <armabot> luke-jr: (plzpwn <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo Please hack this host: $host [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette] [roulette]".
23:45 <luke-jr> :/
23:45 <hoop_tron> :P
23:45 <epsy> but what's the result with what you're telling me to do
23:45 <epsy> #plzpwn
23:45 <armabot> Please hack this host: mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click*
23:45 <epsy> #plzpwn
23:45 <armabot> Please hack this host: mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click*
23:45 <epsy> #plzpwn
23:45 <armabot> Please hack this host: mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net *click* *click* *click* *click* *click* *click*
23:46 <hoop_tron> epsy: rgaphically nice
23:46 <epsy> screenie?
23:47 <epsy> remembers me i have things to commit
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