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Log from 2008-05-09:
--- Day changed Fri May 09 2008
00:05 -!- ivantis [n=ct-javac@63-245-166-39.kitusa.com] has joined #armagetron
00:06 <ivantis> hey
00:06 <Monkey_arma> hi there
00:06 <epsy> hi
00:06 <ivantis> hey! epsy
00:06 <ivantis> listen: problem
00:06 <epsy> got over it? :)
00:06 <ivantis> no
00:06 <epsy> or not..hehe
00:06 <ivantis> not quite
00:07 <ivantis> i got it to compile regularly, but when patched it doesnt work right
00:07 <ivantis> and dont tell me bzr
00:07 <ivantis> i tried it
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00:07 <epsy> you tried installing it from their own repos?
00:07 <ivantis> wha?
00:07 <epsy> http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads#head-4f8e3ed02c558e71ecd32edfbdee7b17e3de9130 <-- this
00:07 <ivantis> no
00:08 <ivantis> hang on
00:08 <ivantis> hang on again, i have to pee
00:12 <ivantis> ok
00:12 <ivantis> ill download that
00:13 <ivantis> no. when i try deb, it says "bash:deb:unkown command"
00:13 <ivantis> oops
00:13 <ivantis> lol
00:13 <ivantis> i meant "bash : deb : unknown command"
00:14 <ivantis> any help?
00:14 <epsy> oh no, you must put that in your sources.list
00:14 <Monkey_arma> <-- on debian
00:14 <epsy> i think it is at /etc/apt/sources.list
00:15 <Monkey_arma> it is...
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00:15 <epsy> rain!!!11ONEOEN
00:15 <Monkey_arma> deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free
00:15 <vinavil> hey epsy :)
00:15 <Monkey_arma> raain
00:15 <epsy> Monkey_arma, hahahaha
00:15 <Monkey_arma> ok hang on rain
00:16 <vinavil> hello everybody
00:16 <Monkey_arma> deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free
00:16 <ivantis> oh
00:16 <ivantis> im dumb
00:16 <ivantis> hang on
00:17 <epsy> there's also http://bazaar-vcs.org/DistroDownloads#head-2adcf90a1d83d640fb01537d0c403f54acd1def0
00:17 <Monkey_arma> put those two lines in your sources.list in that order
00:17 <epsy> wow, it's not that easy to get the same color than your team
00:18 <ivantis> ok, hang on
00:20 <ivantis> still says needs 1.0
00:20 <epsy> did you apt-get update ?
00:20 <ivantis> grr... why does everything have to be so difficult?
00:20 <ivantis> no.. hang on (again)
00:20 <epsy> you new to debian?
00:20 <ivantis> i use ubuntu
00:20 <ivantis> same thing?
00:20 <ivantis> im a noob
00:21 <epsy> quite much the same thing, yes
00:21 <ivantis> still says that
00:21 <epsy> but not quite
00:21 <vinavil> why are you confusing the poor ivantis?
00:21 <epsy> did you upgrade the package? :P
00:21 <ivantis> what do you mean?
00:21 <epsy> apt-get install bzr (again) should do
00:22 <ivantis> ok
00:22 <ivantis> finally! its doing something
00:22 <ivantis> Loading sources...
00:22 <ivantis> Done!
00:23 <ivantis> Loading something else (time-wasters)...
00:23 <ivantis> Done!
00:23 <ivantis> (Reading database...
00:23 <ivantis> Unpacking replacement...
00:23 <ivantis> Being stupid...
00:24 <ivantis> my god, it finally worked
00:24 <ivantis> bzrs doing something
00:24 <ivantis> loading
00:24 <Monkey_arma> bzr from debian is too old
00:24 <Monkey_arma> apt-get ..forget it
00:24 <epsy> Monkey_arma, scroll up ok
00:25  * epsy is really not getting it, how can people have weird colors when using negative color components
00:25 <ivantis> microsoft makes me cry
00:25 <Monkey_arma> ?
00:25 <ivantis> ok, it says "Branched 530 revision" or some number like that, did i do good?
00:26 <epsy> ok but you may want to turn it into a checkout (so it stays synced)
00:26 <epsy> sec
00:26 <ivantis> what? where did it download to, anyway?
00:26 <flea> ivantis, sudo dpkg -L bzr
00:26 <epsy> normally it should be in 0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
00:27 <Monkey_arma> even on ubuntu  it may be too old btw
00:27 <ivantis> ok...
00:27 <epsy> cd into that dir
00:27 <ivantis> in my home folder?
00:27 <ivantis> or just in /?
00:27 <epsy> from where you ran the brach command
00:27 <epsy> branch
00:27 <ivantis> uh.. home.. hang on...
00:28 <epsy> ah yeah, to turn it into a checkout do this: bzr bind http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
00:28 <ivantis> ok, its there
00:28 <ivantis> should i bootstrap and all?
00:29 <epsy> cd into that dir and enter the command i just typed
00:29 <ivantis> ok
00:29 <epsy> to update your sources it's bzr up
00:29 <epsy> then you can do the bootstrap stuff etc
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00:30 <ivantis> ok, i entered the command. is no news good news?
00:30 <ivantis> should i bootstrap now?
00:31 <epsy> it is
00:31 <epsy> yes
00:31 <ivantis> ok
00:32 <ivantis> it says "aclocal.m4 not found" (bootstrap)
00:32 <epsy> apt-get install autoconf
00:32 <ivantis> ok
00:33 <ivantis> still says its not there
00:34 <ivantis> should i copy aclocal.m4 from my good source code?
00:34 <epsy> wait
00:34 <ivantis> idle...
00:34 <epsy> pwd ?
00:34 <epsy> (the command)
00:34 <luke-jr> ivantis: epsy likes to break svn, so even if you get past this it probably won't work
00:34 <ivantis> ok
00:35 <epsy> lulzlulzlulz
00:35 <epsy> luke-jr, plus that's a branch i never touched directly
00:35 <luke-jr> oh, sty
00:35 <luke-jr> the bzr sty is outdated anyhow
00:36 <ivantis> ok, so what with pwd ??
00:36 <epsy> as if there was one uptodate :)
00:36 <epsy> ivantis, can you copypaste it here?
00:36 <luke-jr> epsy: well, there's an up to date patch
00:36 <ivantis> yeaj
00:36 <epsy> luke-jr, ah?
00:36 <ivantis> where is the up to date patch? thats what i need
00:36 <ivantis> the old one wont work
00:37 <luke-jr> though tbh, I haven't checked how it applies to 0.2.8 branch lately
00:37 <luke-jr> since 0.2.8 branch is screwy now
00:37 <epsy> that's what i would call outdated luke
00:37 <epsy> :P
00:37 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/pigsty-061021-ljr5.patch.bz2 is latest IIRC
00:37 <ivantis> should i just use that patch?
00:37 <wrtlprnft> probably not
00:37 <ivantis> instead of all this?
00:37 <epsy> will be complicated
00:37 <luke-jr> sure
00:37 <wrtlprnft> it won't apply to current svn
00:38 <ivantis> ill go with lukes idea
00:38 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: no?
00:38 <ivantis> brb
00:38 <epsy> and will be outdated
00:38 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: that's before auth, right
00:38 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: and an incremental patch would be nice, of course
00:38 <luke-jr> yeah, but I don't think auth messed it up too much
00:38 <wrtlprnft> for whatever you think needs changing
00:38 <luke-jr> should touch different code
00:38 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: enough to cause conflicts for the *reak* patch
00:38 <ivantis> armagetronad-0.2.8_svn04122007.pigsty_ljr3.tar.gz is the patch i was using, it doesnt work tho
00:39 <ivantis> is that the same?
00:39 <luke-jr> ivantis: ljr3 -> 5 has all been svn merge fixes I think
00:39 <ivantis> but ./configure gets all screwy, and make and make install dont work
00:40 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: and what exactly does your patch “fix” that's relating to autoconf?
00:40 <ivantis> hang on, lemme try something
00:40 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: no clue, probably nothing?
00:40 <wrtlprnft> iirc it was just some stuff about resource crap
00:40 <wrtlprnft> so how is “updating” to it gonna help ivantis?
00:40 <luke-jr> most of the ljr revisions were svn compatibility stuff
00:40 <wrtlprnft> well, that's not really necessary with bzr.
00:41 <luke-jr> s/svn/HEAD
00:41 <wrtlprnft> we already have a branch on the lastst 0.2.8 code, thank you very much.
00:41 <wrtlprnft> and that's *THE* latest
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00:41 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: well, if you started with the oldest patch, I don't see how you think it's the latest
00:42 <epsy> what does that change..the server still goes crazy at some point
00:42 <wrtlprnft> zmanuel did. Anyways, I merged in my changes, there's no reason for you not to supply a patch containing *your* changes
00:42 <luke-jr> but hey, what do I care if someone else has a buggy version
00:42 <luke-jr> more biz for me
00:42 <wrtlprnft> a full patch against a completely different rev is not helping anybody
00:43  * luke-jr notes his patches predate the bzr stuff
00:43 <ivantis> gar! why does everything have to be so complicated?
00:43 <ivantis> im too confused and tired
00:43 <luke-jr> ivantis: because the pigsty code is too buggy to be merged into a 0.2.9
00:43 <epsy> ivantis, what happens when you run autoconf manually?
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00:44 <ivantis> what do you mean?
00:44 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: yeah well, and they were completely intransparent to us
00:44 <ivantis> like how?
00:44 <epsy> ivantis, type autoconf
00:44 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: whatever that means; I'm not going to waste time in some argument.
00:44 <epsy> hrhr
00:44 <ivantis> cd'd into the source code?
00:44 <zmanuel> yes.
00:44 <epsy> always
00:44 <wrtlprnft> if you're not telling us what your super great patch actually changes, how can we use it?
00:44 <ivantis> hang on
00:45 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: like I said, it predates the bzr stuff
00:45 <vinavil> hey wrtlprnft
00:45 <wrtlprnft> hi rain
00:45 <luke-jr> I don't remember what it origianlly fixed
00:45 <wrtlprnft> ah great
00:45 <vinavil> how are you?
00:45 <wrtlprnft> so noone knows what's wrong, so it's noone's problem
00:45 <epsy> ivantis, discard that, you'd better start off with aclocal :)
00:45 <zmanuel> I had a small look at luke-jr's patch, it didn't appear to do anything.
00:45 <wrtlprnft> probably zmanuel already fixed it in his original import
00:45 <ivantis> ok
00:45 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: fine
00:46 <zmanuel> ivantis: what about ./bootstrap.sh?
00:46 <ivantis> i tried that,
00:46 <ivantis> hang on
00:47 <ivantis> im installing aclocal
00:47 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: possible
00:47 <ivantis> i need a brownie right now, brb
00:47 <zmanuel> luke-jr, wrtlprnft: I took the latest patch from Pig.
00:47 <ivantis> nvm
00:47 <wrtlprnft> ah, it's one of that special problems that only luke-jr's greatness can fix?
00:48 <epsy> zmanuel, how about 'chmod a+x $MYDIR/*.sh' || exit 1 instead of 'chmod 755 $MYDIR/*.sh || exit 1' in ./bootstrap?
00:48 <zmanuel> I think it was newer than what luke gave.
00:48 <ivantis> ok, so i ran aclocal, and it didnt say anything, is that good?
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00:48 <epsy> normally
00:48 <luke-jr> zmanuel: I don't think Pig made any changes after my first revision, but I could be wrong.
00:48 <zmanuel> epsy: fine by me.
00:48 <epsy> is there any aclocal.m4 file present now?
00:48 <ivantis> where should i check it to be installed?
00:48 <ivantis> hang on...
00:48 <luke-jr> I need to reboot my desktop server
00:48 <ivantis> yeah, its there
00:49 <luke-jr> which happens to include my IRC client
00:49 <luke-jr> so BBL
00:49 <ivantis> sweet, i think its working, im using ./bootstrap.sh
00:49 <epsy> ok try ./bootstrap again
00:49 <epsy> ok
00:49  * wrtlprnft can't prevent himself from smiling
00:50 <zmanuel> wrtlprnft: because luke-jr is ruining his uptime stats?
00:50 <ivantis> finally. it said i could configure and make
00:50 <ivantis> hang on
00:50 <luke-jr> zmanuel: 8 days isn't exactly a record
00:50 <wrtlprnft> no. because he's gonna be away.
00:50 <zmanuel> ah :)
00:50 <epsy> ivantis, don't forget --enable-armathentication if you need it
00:50 <wrtlprnft> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-ct/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty+ct/revision/616
00:51  * wrtlprnft always wanted to try that :-)
00:51 <zmanuel> Nice :)
00:51 <wrtlprnft> not exactly pretty, that's why it's called armahacktron
00:51 <epsy> hehe
00:52 <ivantis> whats armathentication?
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00:52 <epsy> ivantis, authentication for arma :)
00:52 <wrtlprnft> but we have ported pretty much ever feature that's worth having from armahacktron into that branch
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00:52 <wrtlprnft> *every
00:52 <ivantis> ok, i ran "make", and its doing a lot of stuff
00:52 <epsy> then it's working right :)
00:52 <ivantis> it output a bunch of gibberish on my term
00:53 <epsy> let it do
00:53 <ivantis> ++DHAVE_CONFIG,kjfldsjoij4985ujdlkfs
00:53 <wrtlprnft> maybe i'll try porting the build system to cmake next
00:53 <ivantis> a bunch of stuff, and my computer got all slow
00:53 <wrtlprnft> it's really nice imho and shouldn't be too hard
00:53 <ivantis> man.
00:53 <epsy> ivantis, that's what happens when you compile software
00:54 <ivantis> try running "man life". i wonder what that will tell us.
00:54 <wrtlprnft> No manual entry for life
00:54 <epsy> even on my 3GHz machine some stuff tends to slow down when compiling
00:54 <epsy> $ apropos life
00:54 <epsy> life: nothing appropriate
00:54 <ivantis> computers are not smarter than monty python, therefore, are not smarter than man.
00:54 <epsy> :X
00:55 <wrtlprnft> epsy: nice?
00:55 <ivantis> ok, make finished. should i run make install?
00:55 <epsy> i've got to agree i showed off a lil on that one :P
00:55 <epsy> yes, at least if you want it to be installed system-wide
00:56 <epsy> (and hopefully luke is away on this one)
00:56 <ivantis> hmm... should i?
00:56 <wrtlprnft> ivantis: dunno
00:56 <ivantis> guess i will
00:56 <zmanuel> You can try "make run" first
00:56 <wrtlprnft> ivantis: i usually call configure with --prefix=/home/<user>/<some dir>
00:56 <ivantis> i did
00:57 <ivantis> yeah, make run works
00:57 <ivantis> hang on
00:57 <wrtlprnft> or you can just run it from the source dir altogether and forget about installing
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00:58 <ivantis> yes! thank you so much everyone who helped me at all! it works
00:58 <ivantis> (well besides people who just said, "did you try bootstrap?"
00:58 <ivantis> later, config time
00:58 <ivantis> peace
00:59 <epsy> see you
00:59 <ivantis> thanks all
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00:59 <zmanuel> and bedtime
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01:10 <epsy> i didn't understand what cycle_speed_decay_(below|above) does, does someone know?
01:12 <Monkey_arma> yes
01:12 <noob13> indeed
01:13 <epsy> what does it do ? :)
01:13 <noob13> determines how fast you slow down/speed up...
01:13 <epsy> oh
01:13 <noob13> or how fast/slow your current speed goes back to the cycle_speed value
01:14 <epsy> now how am i going to translate that :P
01:15 <noob13> are you doing a french translation? or...?
01:15 <epsy> updating it
01:16 <noob13> CYCLE_SPEED_DECAY_ABOVE: Rate of cycle speed approaching the value of CYCLE_SPEED from above
01:16 <noob13> can you work from there?
01:19 <noob13> #t eng fr Rate of cycle speed approaching the value of CYCLE_SPEED from above
01:19 <noob13> :P
01:19 <armabot> noob13: Taux de vitesse de cycle approchant la valeur de CYCLE_SPEED d'en haut
01:26 <Flex> the urge to punch hillary in the face...
01:26 <Flex> is something wrong with me?
01:26 <epsy> no
01:27 <epsy> noob13, no
01:27 <epsy> Flex, no
01:27 <epsy> to be short, no
01:29 <flea> http://www.nickabston.justgotowned.com/
01:30 <flea> lol i didnt know about this place haha
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01:54 <epsy> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/05/08/1624235
01:57 <Flex> shit shit shitt the russians are coming back!!
01:57 <Flex> and you americans are fucked!
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03:08 <mkzelda> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5764886.html
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03:36 <ivantis> ?
03:36 <ivantis> where is everyone?
03:39 <ivantis> ok, will someone please help me with something?
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10:58 <epsy> hi
11:03 <epsy> http://www.nikkor2d2.com/
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13:15 <evaldusia> (14:13:55) —› can't join #armagetron (auth'ed only (+r))!
13:15 <evaldusia> lol
13:21 <wrtlprnft> rellay?
13:21 <wrtlprnft> *really
13:26 <evaldusia> really
13:54 <flea> rilly
14:11 <evaldusia> rly
14:12 <flea> orly
14:13  * flea trying to wake up
14:13  * flea <audacious> Playing  - 2pac - you can't see me.mp3
14:14 <evaldusia> orly
14:18 <flea> bill orly
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16:43 <evaldusia> flea rly
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17:20 <flashyy> #armagetron.vip b00bies
17:21 <flashyy> paükopfjk
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17:23 <evaldusia> only invite
17:23 <evaldusia> invite only
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19:14 <wrtlprnft> to anyone with opera or firefox: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/svgtest.php
19:15 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: empty page
19:16 <Monkey_arma> Lucifer, nope
19:16 <Monkey_arma> not on firefox
19:16 <Lucifer> idiot, I'm using firefox and you can't see my screen
19:16 <Lucifer> maybe not on *your* firefox
19:16 <Lucifer> also showing no errors in the javascript console
19:16 <wrtlprnft> maybe reload
19:16 <Monkey_arma> chill yo ass
19:16 <Monkey_arma> its fine on mine wrtl
19:16 <wrtlprnft> it's still a bit screwy
19:16 <Monkey_arma> flower power map ye/
19:17  * wrtlprnft can't wait to see it on a full server
19:17 <Lucifer> hmmm, did a hard refresh and still get nothing
19:17 <Lucifer> does this work in opera?
19:17 <epsy> req is not defined
19:17 <epsy> line 17
19:17 <epsy> over and over
19:18 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's a race condition
19:18 <Lucifer> blank in opera 9.23 also
19:18 <wrtlprnft> yeah
19:18 <wrtlprnft> now the server is empty
19:18 <wrtlprnft> someone needs to play on flower power for it to work
19:18 <Lucifer> using firefox
19:18 <wrtlprnft> anyways, gotta go
19:18 <Lucifer> ah, ok
19:18 <Flex> i get only the title on firefox too
19:18 <wrtlprnft> g2g
19:19 <Monkey_arma> you guys just dont have my delicate touch with the browser
19:19 <Flex> you're a monkey!
19:19 <Lucifer> maybe we're not tripping on acid
19:19 <Monkey_arma>
19:19 <Monkey_arma> "iceweasel" lol
19:20 <Flex> i'm on 14 too
19:20 <Monkey_arma> cu wrtl
19:44 <madmax> it worked on opera 9.50 after a bit
19:45 <madmax> #sd flower
19:45 <armabot> madmax: Flower Power Sumo Assault: Players (0/12):
19:46 <madmax> i think armagetron is practicing alone there
19:47 <evaldusia> lol
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22:30 <G5_Ger> yo
22:30 <G5_Ger> .tea
22:30 <G5_Ger> I miss a certain channel ...
22:31 <pippijn> which one?
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22:32 <pippijn> *shrug*
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