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Log from 2008-04-15:
--- Day changed Tue Apr 15 2008
00:11 <madmax> ...
00:16 <epsy> good night
00:16 <epsy> #night
00:16 <armabot> Good night epsy!
00:17 <Monkey_arma> cu
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00:23 <Monkey_arma> #lastseen flexsMum
00:23 <armabot> Monkey_arma: timed out
00:23  * Monkey_arma shakes head
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00:25 <Flex> lol
00:25 <Flex> Monkey_arma, you think Sonique - It Feels So Good is gay?
00:26 <Monkey_arma> i dont like sonique
00:26 <Monkey_arma> if you mean DJ sonique
00:26 <Flex> no specifically the track
00:26 <noob7> link to an mp3 or get out
00:26 <Monkey_arma> havent heard it but i dont like it already
00:26 <noob7> ogg flac whatever
00:26 <noob7> gimme
00:26 <Flex> jeez
00:26 <Monkey_arma> link link
00:27 <Monkey_arma> :)
00:27 <Flex> ok 1sec
00:27 <noob7> :D
00:30 <Flex> flacs are like 30mb.. it might take a while :p
00:30 <noob7> \o/
00:31 <Flex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET8lJbenUlE
00:32 <Monkey_arma> if it needs flash i aint got flash ....
00:32 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: get a distro that allows you to install these things(without compiling a billion dependancies)
00:33 <Monkey_arma> i have..im on debian...even tho it sucks ass
00:33  * Monkey_arma looks for flash plugin
00:33 <StickyNoob> sweet, installing flash should be no prob then
00:33 <Flex> n00b
00:33 <StickyNoob> may need the non free repos added
00:33 <Flex> StickyNoob, you think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET8lJbenUlE is gay?
00:34 <Flex> not her, the track
00:34 <StickyNoob> soniq was quite good for cheese house
00:36 <noob7> how old is this thing?
00:36 <StickyNoob> late 90's
00:36 <Flex> does it feel old?
00:36 <Monkey_arma> ok sticky you find me a plugin for this load of shite
00:36 <noob7> to mee it feels like maybe 7th grade or so
00:37 <noob7> :D
00:37 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: ok
00:37 <Flex> 7th grade? urm is that a year in germany?
00:37 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: etch, lenny... whatever?
00:37 <noob7> like your 7th school year? ~13 at that time?
00:38 <noob7> but she is most definitely gay
00:38 <noob7> the song not so much, but rather meh
00:38 <Monkey_arma> etch
00:39 <Monkey_arma> flex in uk now they call it 7th grade i think
00:39 <Monkey_arma> i may be wrong
00:39 <Monkey_arma> :|
00:39 <Flex> no way..
00:39 <Flex> it's like year 7
00:39 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/flashplugin-nonfree ??
00:39 <Monkey_arma> ok ye same thing
00:39 <Flex> noob7, how old are you now.. that doesn't tell me what year it was when you were 13
00:39 <Monkey_arma> non-free omg the debianites would cut my neck with a hacksaw
00:39 <noob7> late 90s = 97/98/99 ?
00:39 <noob7> do the math
00:40 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: ffs strap on a pair and sell your sole for mediocre software
00:40 <Flex> oh ok that wasn't a guess then
00:41 <noob7> :)
00:41 <Flex> was released in 98, but i don't think she's gay
00:41 <StickyNoob> i think she is
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00:42 <StickyNoob> i seem to remember her on the bill for some gay marches/events
00:42 <Monkey_arma> sticky i actually dont have a problem with nonfree
00:42 <Monkey_arma> i hate debian
00:42 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: there is http://packages.debian.org/etch/hppa/libflash-mozplugin for free, but i wouldnt garentee it working
00:42 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: you on 64bit debian?
00:43 <Monkey_arma> 64 bit lmfao
00:43 <Monkey_arma> ive got a 900mhz with 128 ram ffs
00:43 <Flex> hahah
00:43 <Flex> he's on the big guns
00:43 <StickyNoob> so? take 2 of those suckers but them side by side, 64bin no probs
00:43 <StickyNoob> *bit
00:44 <Flex> not quite..
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00:45 <Monkey_arma> hoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax
00:45 <hoax> yo yo yo
00:45 <Monkey_arma> good news tho..i should be getting my upgrade in next 2 weeks...might need some alteratiions tho
00:45 <StickyNoob> tm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  TM!!!!
00:45 <Monkey_arma> tronic monkeys?
00:45 <StickyNoob> what you upgrading to?
00:46 <Monkey_arma> 999mhz 132 ram
00:46 <StickyNoob> heheh
00:46 <noob7> ahahaha
00:46 <Monkey_arma> or......
00:46 <StickyNoob> thats an overclock ont an upgrade
00:46 <StickyNoob> how the fuck did you make 132 mb of ram?
00:47 <Monkey_arma> with a 4meg card of course
00:47 <noob7> hot glue gun
00:47 <StickyNoob> I had 4 mb back in 95 i think
00:47 <Monkey_arma> i soldered the transistors on myself
00:47 <StickyNoob> or was it earlier
00:47 <Monkey_arma> i am jk sticky
00:47 <Flex> l0l
00:47 <StickyNoob> actualy iam going to get soldering some ram chips soon
00:48 <Monkey_arma> p4-2gig or p4-1.8 worst case, 512 ram, agp slot and good agp gfx card
00:48 <StickyNoob> gonna upgrade my slug to and obese slug
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00:48 <Monkey_arma> what u got now?
00:48 <StickyNoob> why p4? seems like a waste of money?
00:49 <Monkey_arma> wrong
00:49 <StickyNoob> the slug by default is 32mb of ram
00:49 <Monkey_arma> 32 oO
00:49 <StickyNoob> i want to go to 256
00:49 <Monkey_arma> slug is a computer?
00:49 <StickyNoob> yeah
00:49 <Monkey_arma> you really got 32 ram or takin piss?
00:49 <StickyNoob> madmax: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2
00:49 <StickyNoob> oops
00:49 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2
00:50 <hoax> #tea
00:50 <armabot> hoax: Fortress Café: Players (0/32):
00:51 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: i have that running debian
00:51 <Flex> as a server?
00:51 <StickyNoob> yeah
00:51 <Flex> hosting p0rn?
00:51 <Monkey_arma> er ok and why would u buy one of those?
00:51 <StickyNoob> its a fun platform to hack on
00:52 <Flex> if you use more then one desktop and need data on different hard disks?
00:52 <Monkey_arma> dont ever ever ever run debian xorg on a server..it is fucked
00:52 <Monkey_arma> btw
00:52 <StickyNoob> but mostly it sits as my media server, as well as running my persistent connections to the net like reverse poert forwarding etc
00:53 <StickyNoob> *port
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00:53 <Flex> i'd go with FreeBSD
00:53 <StickyNoob> and works well for leaving on torrenting
00:53 <Flex> never hear bad stuff about that
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00:53 <StickyNoob> well prepare to start then
00:53 <Flex> go ahead
00:54 <Monkey_arma> sticky you can make usb and flash devices available over networks without that slug thing
00:54 <StickyNoob> naa i dont have anything againd Freebsd, never tried it
00:55 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: i know
00:55 <Monkey_arma> how much did it cost u sticky...and when u get it?
00:55 <StickyNoob> £30 i think it was
00:55 <StickyNoob> actualy no £50
00:56 <Flex> http://senduit.com/5ad268
00:56 <Flex> :D
00:56 <StickyNoob> about 6 months ago
00:57 <StickyNoob> but its a whole computer not just a NAS
00:57 <Flex> hacked
00:58 <hoax> hah flex wtf am i waiting to download
00:58 <Flex> guess :D
00:58 <Monkey_arma> 50 is not too bad as its a smallish device..but you can get a computer with those specs for not much
00:58 <StickyNoob> Flex: if i was to ry unix id go with the latest solaris, ive heard very good stuff about it
00:58 <Flex> it's .flac so all that mb is basically "lossless sound" :p
00:58 <StickyNoob> Monkey_arma: its about size and power consumption and noise tho
00:58 <Monkey_arma> my p4-2gig mobo with fan and heatsink is only ?20
00:59 <hoax> flac <3
00:59 <Monkey_arma> StickyNoob, i understand...that was my point
00:59 <hoax> yeah i know what flac is lmao
00:59 <Monkey_arma> arm processor
00:59 <StickyNoob> arms are good
00:59 <Flex> it should say what your downloading on the title
01:00 <Monkey_arma> Flex, solaris is system V and although solaris has good reviews i would not be too happy with sysV
01:00 <StickyNoob> apparently arm looked at the next gen of embedded intel processors and just laughed
01:00 <Flex> why
01:00 <Monkey_arma> i am agreeing with you sticky..arms are good for the purpose
01:02 <hoax> haha check epsy plug his blog on the site flex lol
01:03 <Flex> lol
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01:04 <Flex> has it finished hoax?
01:04 <hoax> 23%....LOL
01:04 <StickyNoob> Flex: apparently the atom will take up to 2.5 watts where as arm are doing dual cores with 1 watt
01:04 <hoax> 25kbps ftw?
01:04 <Flex> ahh
01:04 <Flex> i'm uploading to another place
01:05 <Flex> we should install "Mini File Host v1.2.1" somewhere on the x site :p
01:05 <hoax> hah
01:05 <StickyNoob> Flex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFAJDbV9Vfs thats you
01:06 <Flex> urm trying to call me a pc..
01:07 <hoax> hahaha
01:07 <hoax> geeks.
01:07 <Flex> that's how linux is.. with there shitty backpacks
01:07 <StickyNoob> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjpn3L3bSJQ thats the best spoof they did
01:07 <Flex> WTF, you stupid fuck! where you planning to camp to today you motherfucker!
01:08 <StickyNoob> I AM ROOT
01:11 <StickyNoob> i forgot how good these spoofs are
01:13 <Flex> Maybe I should eat some water..
01:13 <Monkey_arma> do we have enough for a game of fort?
01:13 <Monkey_arma> 2xnoobs, me flex hoax sticky max...?no
01:13 <Monkey_arma> ?
01:13 <Flex> Monkey_arma, want a slice of water?
01:14 <Monkey_arma> is it frozen or just really muddy?
01:14  * hoax up for fort
01:14 <StickyNoob> Flex: just for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8lW8ndh5BU&feature=related
01:15 <StickyNoob> could cut yourself a slice of smoke: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_smoke
01:15 <Flex> awwwhhhh midgets..
01:15 <hoax> LOL
01:17 <hoax> mmmm
01:17 <hoax> frozen smoke
01:22  * StickyNoob -> cafe
01:23 <Flex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4UNgdnBTUU&feature=related
01:26 <hoax> haha seen that b4
01:26 <hoax> search most farted
01:27 <hoax> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0JTLFuNFVE
01:30 <Flex> Monkey_arma,  come cafe
01:30 <Monkey_arma> yes i am
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01:52 <tyer22> hello
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03:24 <Flex> Monkey_arma, you think that's air you're breathing?
03:25 <Monkey_arma> ?
03:25 <Monkey_arma> er yes
03:25 <hoax> u off Monkey_arma?
03:25 <Monkey_arma> not really yet
03:25 <Monkey_arma> why?
03:25 <Monkey_arma> soon
03:25 <Monkey_arma> 30 mins or so
03:25 <hoax> #si sumo
03:25 <armabot> hoax: Wild West  =Team Sumo=: Players (4/14): bråx, TrT~Dark-69, _-'Ww_|Shock
03:25 <Monkey_arma> i cant sumo on this junk
03:25 <hoax> #ls Durka
03:26 <armabot> hoax: timed out
03:26 <Flex> why not monkey
03:26 <Flex> it can't be that bad
03:26 <Monkey_arma> fps
03:26 <Monkey_arma> 10 fps in sumo
03:26 <Monkey_arma> with only a few players
03:26 <Flex> with it empty?
03:26 <Monkey_arma> with 4 players i get about 10
03:26 <Monkey_arma> maybe 15 if lucky
03:26 <Monkey_arma> its the turns i think
03:27 <Flex> hoax, Monkey_arma wanna go nexus9 for abit then? :p
03:27 <Monkey_arma> hmm not sure
03:27 <hoax> sweet
03:27 <hoax> what else u got to do monk
03:27 <Flex> there's people there
03:27 <Monkey_arma> ok i will get a drink first
03:27 <Flex> he's got two wank sessions to complete before bed
03:27 <hoax> lol
03:28 <Monkey_arma> oh i forgot about them...cu later...
03:28 <Monkey_arma> j/k
03:28 <Monkey_arma> :)
03:28 <hoax> lol in 5 then i nned a roll & slash anyways
03:28 <Monkey_arma> roll comes first eh
03:28 <Flex> coming then?
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03:41 <Monkey_arma> ok
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06:36 <Flex> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084827/board/nest/97433054?d=97433054&p=1#97433054
06:36 <Flex> LOL
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09:47 <zmanuel> Hmm, what is it called when a virtual machine in a virtual private server environment is not currently executed?
09:48 <wrtlprnft> virtualisation madness
09:49 <wrtlprnft> what if it's executed, but the virtual machine it runs in is not?
09:49 <zmanuel> dunno. I'm just trying to construct a computer version of "night" :)
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09:53 <z-man> multiplexed. That's what I was looking for.
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10:36 <z-man> TWG officially started!
10:40 <wrtlprnft> ah, emacs deserves to be killed anyways ;-)
10:42 <z-man> Yep. /me is looking forward to posts like "X's user is constantly downloading pr0n! I bet it is infected!"
10:42 <wrtlprnft> there's just no basis for discussion in the first round :x
10:43 <z-man> That's the whole point!
10:44 <wrtlprnft> i'll probably die within the first couple of rounds, anyways
10:44 <wrtlprnft> i'm just too suspicious
10:44 <z-man> There are only going to be a couple of rounds.
10:44 <wrtlprnft> true
10:45 <wrtlprnft> still, lynching someone on the first day, without any kind of data available, will just harm the humans
10:47 <z-man> Ah, but not lynching anyone is not an option.
10:47  * z-man shall clarify that
10:47 <wrtlprnft> i know
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11:37  * z-man-work already forgot the role assignments, good thing they're written down.
12:06 <z-man-work> http://www.eblong.com/zarf/lolgrues/
13:32 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: where can i find them? ;-)
13:33 <z-man-work> Behind the grues.
13:53  * wrtlprnft wonders what the impacts of voting for yourself are ;-)
13:54 <z-man-work> Depends :)
13:54 <wrtlprnft> if you're the firewall it might be an idea
13:54 <z-man-work> Could be "ooh, he's voting for himself, he probably does not want a special to get accidentally lynched"
13:55 <z-man-work> umm, the firewall can't protect against lynching
13:55 <wrtlprnft> oh
13:55 <z-man-work> reaction could also be "he does not want to live, let's help him"
13:55 <wrtlprnft> what happens if there's a tie?
13:55 <z-man-work> or, as for just about everything "typical wolf trick! lynch him!"
13:56 <z-man-work> ties will lead to voteoffs.
13:57  * wrtlprnft thinks the programs have no chance
13:57 <z-man-work> Quite wrong.
13:58 <wrtlprnft> the only guy who knows anything is the virus scanner
13:58 <z-man-work> You have to look at what people say and who they vote for.
13:59 <wrtlprnft> i won't be the first to vote, that's for sure
13:59 <z-man-work> Oh, and the infected also know something :)
13:59 <z-man-work> ooh, come on. someone has to start.
13:59 <z-man-work> It's easy!
13:59 <wrtlprnft> can we kill you?
13:59 <wrtlprnft> ;-)
13:59 <z-man-work> "For starters, *rolls octahedical dice*, I vote X!
14:00 <z-man-work> No, I'm an NPC :)
14:00 <z-man-work> Or "I vote Y, I've seen him active on the forums, but he hasn't posted here. Certainly he has a reason to hide!"
14:01 <wrtlprnft> #dice 1d9
14:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2
14:01 <wrtlprnft> poor guru3
14:01 <wrtlprnft> (noone says i didn't manipulate armabot just for that)
14:01 <z-man-work> Typical wolf trick!
14:02 <wrtlprnft> heh, who knows, besides you?
14:03 <z-man-work> I just know typical wolf tricks. As I said, I already forgot about the assignments.
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14:04 <wrtlprnft> anyways, that dice thing is too lame
14:04 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?p=196230#196230
14:04 <z-man-work> Ah, yes, another typical wolf trick :)
14:05 <wrtlprnft> I get the feeling there's nothing you can do that's not a typical wolf trick
14:05 <z-man-work> Indeed.
14:06 <wrtlprnft> what about replacing GM by MCP?
14:06 <wrtlprnft> that is BEFORE it became evil, of course
14:09 <z-man-work> Maybe next time. It would give a better explanation for what happens to the programs that get killed by voting.
14:09 <guru3> zombie processes?
14:09 <z-man-work> What are those, anyway?
14:09  * z-man-work hasn't seen one and is scared
14:09 <guru3> programs that have been killed
14:09 <guru3> but are hanging around anyway
14:10 <guru3> caught on an interrupt or something
14:10 <guru3> ish
14:10 <z-man-work> hmm
14:10 <wrtlprnft> err
14:10 <guru3> i'm not really sure
14:11 <guru3> but people back from the dead are zombies
14:11 <guru3> and if we're all programs getting killed
14:11 <guru3> we'll be zombie processes
14:11 <z-man-work> Well, no, you'll be dead.
14:11 <wrtlprnft> i think they're children from processes produced by the fork() call and who died, but whose parents didn't wait for them
14:11 <guru3> abandoned Oo
14:11 <guru3> abandoned zombies present: beware
14:13 <z-man-work> ah, guru3. Standard procedure says you should now vote for wrtl for pulling an obviously silly reason out of his hat.
14:14 <guru3> Oo
14:14 <wrtlprnft> guru3: 17183 pts/8    Z+     0:00 [a.out] <defunct>
14:14 <wrtlprnft> that's a zombie
14:14 <guru3> standard procedure
14:14 <guru3> would be me reading the forums database
14:14 <guru3> >:D
14:14 <z-man-work> grr, yes.
14:14 <guru3> i could even change people's votes :D
14:14 <guru3> (if i got in before you read them)
14:14 <z-man-work> next TWG will be on a forum I can moderate :)
14:15  * guru3 whistles
14:15 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/985921
14:15 <z-man-work> aha.
14:15 <guru3> mmmhmmm
14:15 <guru3> i think i see
14:15 <wrtlprnft> i think when the parent dies the zombie goes away, too
14:16 <guru3> but i was thinking of it along the lines that tron uses things that sound computer-eque but don't really mean anything
14:16 <z-man-work> Yeah, I'm definitely going sort of along with that :)
14:18 <wrtlprnft> hmm, do generous donations to the project give you access to information ;-)
14:18 <guru3> to what information?
14:18 <z-man-work> The forum database, I assume.
14:19 <wrtlprnft> no, the roles in the wolf game
14:19 <guru3> ah
14:19 <guru3> xD
14:19 <guru3> well
14:19 <guru3> i'd be happy for any donations at all
14:19 <guru3> we got one a little while ago
14:19 <guru3> but that was the first one in... quite a long tme
14:19 <z-man-work> You could plot to steal people's passwords via one of your hacked windows binaries :)
14:19  * guru3 could do that too
14:20 <guru3> and were there lightening bolts in tron?
14:20 <wrtlprnft> heh, that might be an idea
14:20 <z-man-work> guru3 could steal passwords by hacking the forum itself.
14:20 <wrtlprnft> people download crap that crashes on them, so why not give them a real worm or trojan? ;-)
14:20 <wrtlprnft> but i'm afraid few people in the game actually use windows
14:20 <guru3> lol
14:21 <guru3> some people su install with the .package
14:21 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: you just need to phish the armathentication password for the forums.
14:21 <z-man-work> If all you want is TWG info, that is.
14:21 <wrtlprnft> well, but it requires them to use my code
14:21 <wrtlprnft> s/code/binaries
14:22 <guru3> z-man-work: were roles assigned randomly?
14:22 <wrtlprnft> and i can't make macos binaries, noone needs linux binaries, and there's a maximum of four people in the game who use windows binaries at all
14:22 <z-man-work> Yes.
14:22 <wrtlprnft> fonkay doesn't play anymore i think
14:22 <z-man-work> ed's standing by as a replacement.
14:22 <wrtlprnft> that leaves lacks, your_mom and mazuffer
14:22 <wrtlprnft> hmm, ed might be an option
14:22 <z-man-work> he made a bold post somewhere else on the forum.
14:23 <wrtlprnft> argh, guru3 can read PMs
14:23 <z-man-work> And Fonkay at least received the role assignment message.
14:23  * wrtlprnft deletes the p
14:23 <z-man-work> heh
14:23 <wrtlprnft> PM with his role
14:23  * guru3 whistles
14:24 <guru3> someone can just play twice
14:24 <z-man-work> No, that's a really bad idea.
14:24  * guru3 whistles
14:24 <wrtlprnft> well, if i have enough sockpuppets to make up at least half of the game…
14:25 <wrtlprnft> at least half of them will be on the winning team
14:25 <z-man-work> Really? Did you post with them?
14:25 <wrtlprnft> *if i had
14:25 <z-man-work> ah
14:25 <wrtlprnft> guru3 is really just a sockpuppet of mine
14:26 <z-man-work> clever.
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14:26 <guru3> lol
14:27 <wrtlprnft> argh. I should have voted for guru3 to shut him up
14:27 <wrtlprnft> actually i still can…
14:27 <guru3> do so
14:28 <z-man-work> I see guru3 has done some research on the topic.
14:29 <guru3> ?
14:29 <z-man-work> How to write a good accusation post.
14:29 <guru3> oh no, i just wrote it
14:29 <guru3> it's common sense
14:29 <z-man-work> Ah, then you're a natural.
14:29 <guru3> or i'm paranoid
14:31 <z-man-work> Ok, with the ball rolling, the GM/MCP retreats from pushing players to do stuff.
14:32 <guru3> does this count as rolling?
14:33 <z-man-work> Not yet, really, but it's enough for starters.
14:33 <guru3> this would be really amusing if you had enough people to have 10 minute days
14:33 <guru3> it's a bit like risk
14:34 <wrtlprnft> imagine this on teamspeak
14:34 <z-man-work> eek
14:34 <guru3> hmmmm
14:34 <guru3> we'd need like a 3 or 4 hour block to do it
14:35 <guru3> i suppose days lets the paranoia build up
14:35 <z-man-work> Oooh yes.
14:35 <guru3> but if we're not careful people are going to forget -_-
14:37  * wrtlprnft sucks at writing essays, I know
14:37 <guru3> i'm not much better at it
14:37 <guru3> i just find your random accusation suspicious
14:37 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: do we get to know the role of the person we killed?
14:38 <guru3> and thereby that currently puts you at the head of the suspicious chart
14:38 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: no, not at first.
14:38 <z-man-work> If things are starting to look bad for the uninfected, I may leak that information, though.
14:38 <wrtlprnft> ah
14:39 <wrtlprnft> so that's why the programs win?
14:39 <z-man-work> I din't say they win, they are just not doomed.
14:39 <wrtlprnft> because as soon as they start to lose they'll just get a list of all wolves?
14:39 <z-man-work> No, usually that's not required.
14:39 <z-man-work> Each round, the seer gets more information
14:40 <z-man-work> and the infected make strange commends and have odd voting patterns that show.
14:40 <wrtlprnft> hmm, can the seer get information on someone who's already dead?
14:40 <z-man-work> No
14:40 <wrtlprnft> aww
14:41 <wrtlprnft> can dead people still post and try to influence others in the main thread?
14:41 <z-man-work> No.
14:42 <wrtlprnft> ouch.
14:42 <guru3> should they not do it anywhere?
14:42 <z-man-work> I was going to announce that once we have dead people :)
14:42 <guru3> can we recover any information from their charred coredumps?
14:42 <z-man-work> No, dead people are dead. They are supposed to be completely inactive for the purpose of the game.
14:42 <guru3> a list of open sockets at the time of death?
14:42 <wrtlprnft> a core file?
14:42 <z-man-work> guru3: that would be the job of the special GDB :)
14:42 <guru3> is that what the seer is called?
14:43 <wrtlprnft> no, virus scanner
14:43 <z-man-work> That's the Virus Scanner.
14:43 <guru3> ah
14:43 <guru3> hmmm
14:43 <wrtlprnft> hmm, i wonder what strace would do
14:43 <guru3> ps aux would be handy
14:43 <guru3> or top
14:43 <guru3> see who's eating more cycles
14:44 <wrtlprnft> nice pun.
14:44 <z-man-work> That's no reason to suspect anyone :)
14:44 <z-man-work> Does strace work with already running programs?
14:44 <guru3> currently there is no reason to suspect anyone at all
14:44 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: yeah
14:45 <wrtlprnft> strace can attach to programs, just like gdb
14:45 <wrtlprnft> unless they've got a SUID bit, even if they gave their special rights away already
14:45 <z-man-work> guru3: sure, there are plenty of reasons. Just not really good ones.
14:46 <z-man-work> You have to start with completely made up reasons and slowly work towards more plausible ones.
14:47 <wrtlprnft> so i did the right thing?
14:47 <z-man-work> I'd say so.
14:47 <wrtlprnft> i still feel i'm doomed
14:47 <z-man-work> Heh :) It's not a too good idea to even react to accusations of any kind.
14:48 <wrtlprnft> i can already imagine the worms partying
14:48 <wrtlprnft> well, too late.
14:48 <z-man-work> You can still edit away your post.
14:49 <wrtlprnft> “hey, just to remind everyone, i'm still voting for [b]Jonathan[/b]!”
14:49 <z-man-work> No worries, though. Most of the others are equally inexperienced.
14:49 <z-man-work> "and completely ignoring guru3!"
14:49 <guru3> :o
14:50 <wrtlprnft> well, if i die i can still grab some popcorn and watch the rest of the fight
14:50 <wrtlprnft> or stop wasting my time on crazy games
14:50 <z-man-work> Don't feel doomed yet. One vote is nothing.
14:51 <wrtlprnft> guru3 has everyone's vote if he wants to.
14:51  * guru3 whistles
14:51 <z-man-work> Did I already mention that voting for each other is a standard wolf trick?
14:51 <wrtlprnft> STFU!
14:53 <guru3> i assure i'm not a wolf
14:53 <wrtlprnft> me, too!
14:53 <guru3> i am acting for the greater good when i urge all programs to take a closer look at wrtlprnft
14:54 <wrtlprnft> this feels as hopeless as finding a better tactic for rock-paper-scissors than pure randomness
14:54 <guru3> his current actions have so far been a malicious prank at best
14:54 <guru3> on a real life side note, i have nothing against you wrtlprnft
14:55 <wrtlprnft> do you mean the real real life or the aa.net real life? ;-)
14:56 <guru3> the wrtlprnft i have known for the past whoever long it's been
14:56  * z-man-work already sees this becoming a classic, fetches popcorn
15:04  * guru3 whistles
15:05 <guru3> it's just an excercise in making stuff up that's not logical but plausible
15:05 <guru3> anyone that's had a course involving false logic can do this stuff
15:05 <z-man-work> There are courses for that?
15:05  * z-man-work went to the wrong school.
15:05 <guru3> i had a course called 'theory of knowledge'
15:06 <guru3> where as part of it we looked at various ways information can ben manipulated for certain responses while actually meaning something else etc
15:07 <z-man-work> So, politics, basically?
15:07 <guru3> no
15:07 <guru3> nothing todo with politics
15:08 <guru3> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Knowledge_%28IB_course%29
15:08  * z-man-work predicts Lucifer is going to use the "pretend I'm a wolf" routine
15:09 <guru3> does that mean he isn't one
15:09 <z-man-work> No.
15:09 <guru3> or are you saying that to indicate that he is one
15:09 <z-man-work> No.
15:09 <guru3> exactly what you would have leanred in ToK
15:10 <z-man-work> Heh :)
15:10 <guru3> the wolf is pretending to be a wolf thinking that no one would possibly admit to being a wolf- there fore everyone would assume he isn't a wolf
15:11 <z-man-work> That, or the other way round.
15:11 <guru3> exactly
15:11 <guru3> or
15:12 <guru3> the program is pretending to be a wolf in order to confuse other programs into voting for people that don't vote for me
15:12 <guru3> not me
15:12 <guru3> *him
15:12 <z-man-work> Oh, don't confuse players.
15:12 <guru3> because if someone admits to being a wolf that isn't, only the wolves would know
15:12 <z-man-work> Confused players like to vote for the source of the confusion.
15:12  * guru3 whistles
15:13 <guru3> you started it
15:13  * wrtlprnft votes for z-man-work
15:13 <guru3> can we vote to lynch the gm?
15:13  * guru3 votes for z-man-work 
15:13 <noob7> is this about the zombie/wolf game?
15:13 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft already asked, and NO.
15:13 <z-man-work> noob7: yep.
15:13 <guru3> honestly
15:13 <guru3> the wolf
15:13 <noob7> ok :)
15:13 <guru3> is wrtlprnft
15:13 <guru3> i read his pm
15:13 <guru3> it's so him
15:13 <guru3> even though i'm making it look like he's not sort of
15:13 <guru3> he is
15:14 <wrtlprnft> i deleted that PM
15:14 <guru3> that's why he's after me
15:14  * noob7 doesnt care (not a player, not a wolf) but it sounds plausible
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15:14 <noob7> therefor I will spread my knowledge
15:14 <guru3> i'm trying to organize the programs to find the traitors in our midsts
15:14 <guru3> as much as they would like
15:14 <guru3> someone who is a wolf will give something away
15:14 <wrtlprnft> let's each get an army of NPCs to support our point of view
15:14 <guru3> when everyone else just falls in line
15:14  * z-man-work notes that on the IV boards, both of you would be lynched for looking like wolves pretending to fight
15:15 <guru3> well this isn't IV
15:15 <wrtlprnft> are we allowed to hire lawyers?
15:15 <guru3> and i wouldn't say this is a fight
15:15 <z-man-work> Your luck.
15:15 <guru3> i'm just nagging it to death
15:15 <noob7> wrtlprnft, correct, get yourself a propaganda machine
15:15 <guru3> because i'm bored
15:15 <guru3> and hungry
15:15 <guru3> and really should be going to eat
15:15 <guru3> but keep getting distracted
15:15 <guru3> by things like
15:15 <guru3> 15:14:15  * z-man-work predicts Lucifer is going to use the "pretend I'm a  wolf" routine
15:15 <z-man-work> [15:21] <guru3> and hungry
15:16 <guru3> it's 2:20 and i haven't eaten since 8:20
15:16 <z-man-work> Good thing we did no go with the classic theme :)
15:16 <guru3> also
15:16 <guru3> something in my room is beeping
15:16 <guru3> and i don't know what it is
15:16 <z-man-work> ooh, he wants it to become night, so he can eat one of us
15:16 <guru3> night isn't until tomorrow :<
15:16 <z-man-work> Yeah, ok, one point for you.
15:17 <guru3> now really, the wolf is **********
15:17 <guru3> not wrtlprnft
15:17 <z-man-work> How do you know it's just one?
15:17 <guru3> wrtlprnft; a sad case of the wrong place at the wrong time
15:17 <guru3> i don't
15:17 <guru3> in fact didn't you say there was more than one
15:17 <z-man-work> I did.
15:17 <guru3> his tragic sacrifice will live on in our memories
15:17 <wrtlprnft> one wolf is somewhat pointless
15:18 <z-man-work> Extremely pointless, even.
15:18 <guru3> i guess i'll take my laptop to the kitchen
15:18 <guru3> so i can continue to spout non-sense while i make my sandwhiches
15:18 <wrtlprnft> nerd ;-)
15:18 <z-man-work> Yuck, crumbs on keyboard.
15:18 <guru3> this is much too fun
15:19 <wrtlprnft> i think the programs who aren't talking are the ones who should be suspicious
15:19 <guru3> or i would have been going
15:19 <guru3> had i not just found out about a really good deal on ebay
15:21 <noob7> can someone link me to the wolf thread please?
15:21 <wrtlprnft> what the… I think this worm game is affecting me. Now i have cups, libpng, and xine-lib on my computer, all just published to be vulnerable today (at least on heisec)
15:21 <z-man-work> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18374&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
15:21 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18374&highlight=
15:21 <noob7> ty :)
15:22 <z-man-work> Spectators should be about as careful as the GM when publicly discussing theories.
15:22 <noob7> so taking part is still possible? :)
15:23 <z-man-work> You can sign up as a replacement in case one of the players drops out.
15:23 <z-man-work> Thing is, were you added now, you'd be a regular program, and people would know.
15:23 <noob7> hm ok, I dont think any of the partaking players will do so, maybe durka... :D
15:23 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: why would he be?
15:23 <guru3> to keep the balance
15:23 <z-man-work> because adding another infected program would severely tip balance.
15:24 <z-man-work> He may become a special, but no worm.
15:24 <guru3> i just purchased three thin clients
15:24 <wrtlprnft> add ed, too?
15:24 <z-man-work> So he's safe from lynching, and that's boooring.
15:24 <noob7> nah I was late this time :)
15:24 <noob7> but I'll have my laughs watching you guys tear each other apart xD
15:25 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: one worm + one program sill shifts the balance.
15:25 <guru3> maybe we'll form a truce and tear into someone else
15:26 <z-man-work> standard wolf trick!
15:26 <z-man-work> sorry, I have to say that everytime :)
15:26 <guru3> ...
15:26 <guru3> what was that before about the gm shutting up? ;)
15:27 <z-man-work> I may as well. People around here don't know yet that everything can be a standard wolf trick.
15:27 <wrtlprnft> i figured that by now
15:27 <guru3> what about the standard GM tricks, eh?
15:28 <z-man-work> That's not telling people what specials are in the game.
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15:29 <guru3> there's a program that can kill anyother at will, randomly, with no repercussions running around loose
15:29 <guru3> and we sit and do nothing
15:29 <guru3> yet we turn on each other against some fictional worm virus
15:29 <guru3> let me ask you all
15:29 <guru3> who should we really be lyncing here?
15:30  * wrtlprnft calls for a mutiny
15:30 <guru3> programs of the system unite!
15:30 <wrtlprnft> what happened to the good old “all programs are created equal”, anyways?
15:31 <guru3> one server, indivisible, with memory and disk space for all
15:31 <guru3> damn this virtualization
15:31 <wrtlprnft> damn scheduling. what happ
15:31 <wrtlprnft> ened to the good old days where only one program could be active?
15:32 <wrtlprnft> my calculator is the better computer, definitely
15:32 <guru3> -_-
15:33 <guru3> the hardware doesn't make the computer, the computer makes the hardware
15:33 <guru3> (the actions don't make a man, a man makes the actions)
15:36 <guru3> conversation has died
15:36 <guru3> i will go back upstairs now
15:37 <noob7> no real interest in finding the wolf? xD
15:41 <wrtlprnft> in all likelyhood no real wolf has even spoken yet
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15:47 <z-man-work> Lucifer, Your_mom and DDMJ haven't read their roles yet, being Americans and all that.
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15:48 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer sleeps whenever he wants to, at least that's what i heard last
15:49 <wrtlprnft> *last heard
15:49 <z-man-work> That doesn't exclude that he sleeps at night :)
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16:26 <wrtlprnft> z-man-work: if the worms try to kill the firewalled guy, do the other people get to know who they tried to kill?
16:26 <z-man-work> I don't know yet. That's one of the things I'll decide when it happens.
16:26 <z-man-work> if they do get do know it, it's a massive advantage for the uninfected.
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16:27 <wrtlprnft> in either case the firewall itself will know who's the human :-)
16:28 <z-man-work> Yep.
16:29 <z-man-work> On average (assuming random Worm action), there's about half a Firewall save per game, so don't put your hope up too far.
16:30 <z-man-work> Or down, should you be infected.
16:30  * z-man-work hasn't got the role list here, and for the purpose of public discussion, of course everyone is uninfected :)
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17:14 -!- z-man-work is now known as z
17:15 <z> cool, that was not taken yet?
17:15 -!- z is now known as z-man-work
17:16 <wrtlprnft> did you register it?
17:17 <wrtlprnft> 17:17 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)-          Registered: 2 years 47 weeks 5 days (14h 48m 40s) ago
17:18 <z-man-work> no.
17:19 <z-man-work> Also, currently guru3 and MaZ are on their way to be swapped out.
17:20 <wrtlprnft> hmm, if it remains a tie i'll switch to maz on the last second just to avoid a tie
17:21  * wrtlprnft is talking gibberish again
17:21 <guru3> z-man-work: swapped out?
17:21 <wrtlprnft> killed
17:21 <wrtlprnft> exterminated
17:21 <z-man-work> lynched.
17:21 <guru3> really
17:21 <wrtlprnft> brutally murdered
17:21 <guru3> D:
17:21 <z-man-work> I'm yet unsure how to write a nice cruel description.
17:22 <guru3> voting still closes tomorrow right?
17:22 <z-man-work> Sure.
17:22 <z-man-work> Plenty of time to talk yourself into that hole :)
17:23 <guru3> hmmmm
17:23  * guru3 doesn't want to be swapped
17:24  * wrtlprnft would hate being put onto a rapidly spinning disk, too
17:26 <guru3> my my
17:26 <guru3> it's trickier to respond now
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17:27 <lady> yay!
17:27 <wrtlprnft> err, hi
17:27 <wrtlprnft> fonkay?
17:28 <lady> yes.
17:28 <lady> was having some trouble connecting..
17:29 <lady> the server didn't like my email adress.
17:29 -!- lady is now known as fonkay
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17:31 <fonkay> so, yea.
17:32 <wrtlprnft> i didn't know IRC cared about e-mail addresses
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17:38 <fonkay> mine does apparently.
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18:03 <wrtlprnft> now what?
18:04 <wrtlprnft> do i go with the crowd and vote for lynching maz?
18:04 <epsy> nothin.
18:05 <noob7> can you withhold your vote?
18:07 <epsy> are we voting for the next person guru3 will exterminate?
18:07 <wrtlprnft> did you already vote?
18:08 <wrtlprnft> ah, you're not even playing
18:08 <wrtlprnft> typical worm strategy.
18:08 <epsy> oh
18:08 <epsy> right
18:08  * epsy was sure it would be harsh
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18:20 <noob7> madness http://electricpotential.net/graphicblog/images/olleletter.png
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18:30 <fonkay> indeed, it is mob mentality after all.
18:32 <fonkay> really what else can you base your vote on at this point in the game? Noone's going to out themselves at this juncture.
18:33 <fonkay> and we can always decant our voting, and change it up if we suspect someone else.
18:33 <fonkay> My theory at this point is that we need to start a fuss by voting in order to obtain more data.
18:34 <guru3> zman cncurs
18:35 <wrtlprnft> fonkay: that speech sounds like a perfect wolf strategy.
18:35 <fonkay> everything does at this point.. that's my point.
18:35 <guru3> wrtlprnft...
18:36 <wrtlprnft> guru3: ?
18:36 <guru3> everything is wolf strategy it seems
18:36 <fonkay> like luci's last post sounds like he's trying to act wise and thoughtful... but is he try to sound like that, or is that his actual opinion.
18:36 <wrtlprnft> Lucifer's little speech also looks quite fishy, err, wolfy, err wormy.
18:37 <fonkay> hehe
18:37 <guru3> z-man also hypothesized that lucifer would try and act like a wolf
18:37 <fonkay> by not voting yet, he's either on the wrong track (imo) or he's being strategic.
18:39 <fonkay> we'll all in paranoid mode.
18:40 <z-man-work> guru3: I wasn't implying anything about Lucifer's role. I was more refering to his "let's eat people" statement before the game, which of course had zero influence on random.random().
18:41 <wrtlprnft> the people voting for maz right now might also have a high worm percentage if maz isn't one of them. maybe they just took the chance to vote for someone who isn't a wolf
18:42 <fonkay> well, we have until 23:00 gmt to decide that don't we?
18:42 <Lucifer> haha, my actual opinion
18:42 <fonkay> tomorrow.
18:42 <Lucifer> let's hang maz
18:42 <MaZuffeR> :(
18:42 <Lucifer> he's trying to make us think he's the firewall
18:42 <Lucifer> if he's the firewall, then we hang the wrong person, oops
18:43 <MaZuffeR> no, i'm not
18:43 <MaZuffeR> i'm not that stupid
18:43 <Lucifer> but if he is the firewall, he just told the wolves he's the firewall, and they'll eat him asap
18:43 <Lucifer> er, worms
18:43 <Lucifer> therefore, he's not afraid of the worms eating him
18:43 <Lucifer> because he's a worm!  hang him!
18:43 <MaZuffeR> and if i were the firewall i would protect myself atleast the first night
18:43 <Lucifer> deres that sneaky little fin!
18:44 <Lucifer> indeed, all we can do is hope the virus scanner meets the firewall soon ;)
18:44 <Lucifer> seems like the first day, maybe two days, is just a rollercoaster you have to ride for a bit
18:45 <Lucifer> anyway, if you were the firewall, you'd want to save your powers to use on the virus scanner, eh?  That's our only real chance of winning, after all
18:45 <Lucifer> and revealing you're the firewall early and having to protect yourself every night would pretty much prevent that
18:45 <fonkay> other than getting lucky.
18:47 <MaZuffeR> well, i doubt the wolves would try to eat the firewall every night
18:47 <MaZuffeR> by doing so they would seriously hurt themselves
18:48 <MaZuffeR> and I'm not the firewall, honestly ;)
18:48 <fonkay> I say we hang DDMJ, cause.. why not?
18:48 <Lucifer> well, if I were a worm, and I knew that mazuffer was not a worm and had just revealed he was the firewall, I'd pick someone else the first couple of nights, hoping to eat the virus scanner
18:48 <Lucifer> I guess some of it depends on how many worms there are, which we don't know
18:49 <fonkay> how do the worms decide who to eat again?
18:49 <wrtlprnft> privately
18:49 <fonkay> pm zman?
18:49 <wrtlprnft> their choice
18:49 <z-man-work> Yep.
18:49 <wrtlprnft> and then pm c-man
18:49 <wrtlprnft> s/c/z
18:49 <Lucifer> don't they send votes to zman?
18:49 <fonkay> slow mo lcui
18:49 <z-man-work> No. They decide privately, and only send one choice.
18:49 <fonkay> luci even
18:50 <Lucifer> MaZuffeR: now that I think about it, I think you're right, taretting the firewall isn't terribly useful until the worms know he/she is protecting the virus scanner
18:50 <Lucifer> the virus scanner is the seer, right?
18:50  * Lucifer checks the first post
18:50 <wrtlprnft> yeah
18:50 <fonkay> yea
18:51 <wrtlprnft> trusted computing for the win btw.
18:51 <fonkay> isn't the firewall only allowed to use thier power thing once?
18:51 <z-man-work> No, every night.
18:51 <z-man-work> But only on one program.
18:51 <fonkay> oh, i must have misread something.
18:51 <z-man-work> And if they pick a worm, the power is wasted.
18:52 <guru3> do they find out about that?
18:52 <wrtlprnft> hmm, can you still count yourself a winner if you died but your team won?
18:52 <z-man-work> guru3: No.
18:52 <guru3> and does the worm find out they were protected?
18:52 <Lucifer> wrtlprnft: I say yes :)
18:52 <z-man-work> wrtlprnft: depends.
18:52 <z-man-work> I'd strongly argue that if you're a regular program and get lynched, you have lost.
18:52 <fonkay> can you still play once you've been lynched (minus the vote)
18:53 <z-man-work> If you get terminated by the worms, things are different, there's nothing much you can do to prevent that.
18:53 <z-man-work> fonkay: No.
18:53 <wrtlprnft> hmm
18:53 <z-man-work> It depends, of course.
18:53 <fonkay> so you can't talk to other players once you're dead. (i know how obvious that sounds)
18:53 <guru3> you become a zombie process
18:53 <z-man-work> If you get yourself lynched because you protected a special, then you died for a good cause.
18:54 <Lucifer> there was something in the werewolf rules about a dead zone where you can talk to dead people
18:54 <z-man-work> fonkay: exactly.
18:54 <z-man-work> Dead people are of course free to talk to each other.
18:54 <guru3> he did it! he did it!
18:54 <wrtlprnft> ?
18:54 <guru3> a quote from something
18:54 <guru3> which i can't remember
18:54 <wrtlprnft> relating to what?
18:55 <wrtlprnft> in this case
18:55 <guru3> i can't remember :<
18:55 <fonkay> zombies?
18:55 <wrtlprnft> why did you say it?
18:55 <guru3> someone was killed
18:55 <guru3> so they point at him and shout
18:55 <Lucifer> ooo, so if I become a zombie process, can I go and try to eat someone's brain?
18:55 <wrtlprnft> ooh
18:55 <z-man-work> Monty Pyton, Life of Brian?
18:55 <z-man-work> The Stoning?
18:55 <guru3> yes
18:55 <guru3> that's it
18:55 <guru3> i think
18:55 <fonkay> i say wrtl and I form a canadian aliance, we can pretend this is survivor or ones of those things.
18:55 <Lucifer> hey, that reminds me, saw this really cool youtube video
18:56 <wrtlprnft> and get lynched instantly because everyone thinks we're worms?
18:56 <fonkay> sure, why not?
18:56 <Lucifer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leEsz9ci5XE
18:56 <Lucifer> that only proves he's a worm, because he's not canadian
18:57 <fonkay> if I really was interested in forming a secret aliance I wouldn't mention it here.. kinda defeat the purpose wrtl.
18:58 <fonkay> bbiab gotta watch paint dry again.
19:01 <Lucifer> darth vader as the black knight is fun
19:02 <wrtlprnft> only a worm would link to that video.
19:06 <Lucifer> takes one to know one
19:07 <Lucifer> so, when we say "don't post at night", we just mean in that thread, right?  So we can post other places without raising suspicion, as long as it's not related to the game?
19:09 <fonkay> don't post at night means tomorrow night right? not tonight?
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19:13 <RayT> anyone knows really "well" the linux dedicated server thingy ?
19:13 <RayT> (and hello)
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19:15 <RayT> can't find any of the "standard" config files, and I've tried to create the maybe "missing" directories, but none of them worked
19:15 <guru3> fonkay: it means don't post any time the GM declares night
19:15 <fonkay> ko, figured as much.
19:16 <noob7> hey ray
19:16 <RayT> yes ?
19:17 <noob7> (just saying hi, as I dont understand your problem)
19:17 <fonkay> I feel alittle slow when it comes to the rules. Never played anything similar to this before. Just hoping my problem solving skills will work in my favour.
19:17 <guru3> same here fonkay
19:17 <RayT> well, I've got a debian machine, the linux dedcated is running, but i can't find any of the settings cfgs
19:17 <guru3> i feel like i'm just causing mayhem right now
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19:18 <dsop> hi
19:18 <fonkay> but i think that's useful.
19:18 <guru3> no
19:18 <guru3> but i'm not really trying to
19:18 <fonkay> :RayT this?  http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Server_Administration_Guide#Configuration_Files
19:18 <guru3> i'm just sort of... playing and enjoying myself
19:19 <RayT> fonkay, yes, i've tried all of the dirs but none seems to work
19:19 <fonkay> like I pointed out earlier. At this point in the game, all you can do is cause a fuss and hope someone slips up and reveals themselves a bit.
19:19 <RayT> tried to put the settings_customs etc in those dirs, tried with a config sub-dir....
19:20 <noob7> how do you start the server ray?
19:20 <RayT> nothing worked.... so i'm kinda stuck with no means to even declare a admin_pass
19:20 <noob7> (still eating btw, not sure you got my PM)
19:20 <RayT> using a webmin like anyone i think
19:20 <RayT> (got it noob7)
19:20 <noob7> :)
19:21 <RayT> the server starts just fine, bots join it whenever a player kicks in, but I can't find any cfgs and anywhere i tried to put it it doesntseems to affect the game
19:22 <RayT> anyone got a "tree" picture of a directory showing how it should be set up ?
19:22 <RayT> (and the server is started by the root user as well, shouldn't have any limitations...)
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19:24 <fonkay> I'm not linux savvy, so past pointing to the wiki, I can't help you.. Sorry.
19:25 <fonkay> RayT: this maybe will help? http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Resource_System
19:26 <fonkay> really don't know.
19:26 <wrtlprnft> RayT: well, it defaults to ~/.armagetronad-dedicated/config/
19:27 <noob13> RayT: you could also start the server defining the dir u need: i.e. armagetronad-dedicated --vardir /path/to/config
19:27 <wrtlprnft> RayT: you can also use --userconfigdir to specify a custom directory
19:27 <z-man-work> Lucifer, fonkay: "don't post at night" means don't post in the TWG thread while I'm counting the votes and/or waiting for the messages from Specials/Worms.
19:27  * z-man-work was too lazy to do all the scenario replacements in the first post.
19:28 <RayT> hmmm fonkey : nope, nothing related but thx for the try
19:28 <RayT> and "~" being ?
19:29 <RayT> teh user starting the process ?
19:29 <dsop> wtf is zthread
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19:29 <noob13> "home", yes.
19:29 <noob7> dsop: An advanced object-oriented, cross-platform C++ threading and synchronization library. [GPL]
19:30 <noob7> and also: "a bitch to get running"
19:30 <noob13> :D
19:30 <noob7> ask 13 here xD
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19:30 <dsop> oh man, why not using pthread..hmm zthread is for SURE not in debian stable
19:30 <RayT> hmmmm
19:30 <dsop> well not in the version i use
19:30 <epsy> 3.0 ? :P
19:30 <dsop> 3.1 :P
19:30 <epsy> hah
19:30 <z-man-work> dsop: cause of Windows?
19:31 <z-man-work> it's optional, by the way.
19:31 <RayT> well, got root/.armagetronad-dedicated/config created, but it didn't do anything in the game...
19:31 <epsy> *insert note about the family of Z*
19:31 <dsop> ah okay, I just care, because aclocal fails
19:31 <z-man-work> Hmm, it shouldn't. Error message?
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19:32 <dsop> aclocal: configure.ac: 0: macro `AM_PATH_ZTHREAD' not found in library
19:32 <noob7> rayT, the settings have to go into a file called "autoexec.cfg", then start it using the method mentioned above
19:33 <z-man-work> dsop: which source version are you using?
19:33 <dsop> z-man-work: bzr trunk
19:33  * epsy suggests again 0.2.8 for a dedi
19:33 <epsy> trough you would be hitting the same problemù again
19:34 <dsop> epsy: did you suggested me 0.2.8? na i like to be on the bleedig edge
19:34 <z-man-work> There's no real reference ot AM_PATH_ZTHREAD, only in a comment
19:34 <z-man-work> will auomake scan comments?
19:34 <epsy> bleeding-edges in arma are quite dispersed :)
19:35 <dsop> epsy: I'm a php.nte developer, I'm used to that ;P
19:35 <dsop> z-man-work: it's in configure.ac
19:35 <K-Yo> epsy, plus de lags?
19:35 <z-man-work> moos@l06:~/Tron/bzr/trunk/armagetronad$ grep AM_PATH_ZTHREAD *
19:35 <dsop> z-man-work: line 581
19:35 <z-man-work> configure.ac:AM_PATH_ZTHREAD_AA(2.3.2)
19:35 <epsy> dsop, for client trunk is indeed the bleeding edge but most recent changes in 0.2.8 haven't been merged to trunk
19:36 <epsy> K-Yo, yen a tjrs
19:36 <fonkay> ok back to paint
19:36 <dsop> epsy: ah oky, then I'm going to use that
19:36 <RayT> lu les freu :)
19:36 <epsy> (and these changes mostly only affects dedi and auth)
19:36 <epsy> salut
19:36 <K-Yo> salut
19:37 <z-man-work> dsop: my checkout has AM_PATH_ZTHREAD_AA at that position.
19:37 <z-man-work> And it seems up to date :)
19:37 <dsop> z-man-work: mine too
19:38 <z-man-work> Hmm, I don't understand why aclocal is bitching about AM_PATH_ZTHREAD then.
19:38 <dsop> z-man-work: maybe AM_PATH_ZTHREAD_AA expands to something like AM_PATH_ZTHREAD
19:38 <z-man-work> No.
19:38 <epsy> RayT, t'as pas eu de lag désastreux ces derniers temps?
19:38 <z-man-work> Apart from the one comment.
19:38 <z-man-work> try to open acinclide.m4
19:39 <z-man-work> look for AM_PATH_ZTHREAD (in the comment)
19:39 <z-man-work> and kill it.
19:39 <z-man-work> Gotta run
19:39 <epsy> cu
19:40 <noob13> dsop's problem sounds painfully familiar...
19:41 <dsop> z-man-work: you are right, wtf is aclocal doin'
19:41 <K-Yo> epsy, il est chez wanadoo lui aussi
19:41 <z-man-work> It probably knows nuttin' about comments.
19:41 <K-Yo> (comme vood)
19:41 <epsy> K-Yo, ah, vood en a pas?
19:42 <K-Yo> pas que je sache ms il joue pas svt
19:42 <epsy> RayT, ok je vois
19:42 <dsop> z-man-work: maybe we should remove the comment, to avoid anyoing problems when people deal with the same problem?
19:42 <z-man-work> Yeah. Will do that.
19:42 <RayT> j'ai eu un peu de lag mais principalement a cause de la mule.... sinon c'est ptet du au migrations massives vers le 22Mbits de free...)
19:42 <dsop> z-man-work: okay, otherwise I would have supplied the patch (even it's too easy for a patch)
19:43 <epsy> j'espère sérieux qu'ils vont corriger ça vite fait, c'est vraiment chiant :/
19:43 <z-man-work> what you can do is bump me again when I'm z-man.
19:43 <epsy> ( vite fait = allez, 2 mois ? :P )
19:44 <epsy> because he's not (yet)
19:44 <epsy> :D
19:44 <dsop> z-man-work: I'll just send you the patch if i find your email or some other contact on launchpad
19:44 <z-man-work> #later tell z-man remember ACLOCAL
19:44 <armabot> z-man-work: The operation succeeded.
19:44 <z-man-work> dsop don't bother, it's easier to apply that change by hand :)
19:45 <epsy> z-man-work, just need to remove it?
19:45 <noob7> hey 13 vielleicht sollten wir deutsch wenn franzözisch hier zur regel wird? :P
19:45 <K-Yo> #later tell K-Yo I LOVE YOU DUDE!!!
19:45 <armabot> K-Yo: The operation succeeded.
19:45 <noob7> *reden
19:45 <K-Yo> ;)
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19:46 <epsy> noob7, es verstöre mich nicht :)
19:46 <noob7> now that he is gone... he is the worm! shhh!
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19:46 <epsy> *cough* http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/ *cough*
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19:46 <noob7> epsy I was trying to poke some fun at you, even the germans manage to speak english, just the DAMN FRENCH DONT! argh! }:D
19:47 <dsop> z-man-work: is'n there a bzr apply or something lelse like in HG or GIT?
19:47 <noob7> and I dont think he skims the logs...
19:47 <epsy> noob7, hat die alex ein besseres deutch als mir? :P
19:47 <epsy> there is..
19:47 <noob7> epsy, who is alex?
19:47 <epsy> you just need to...rtfm :/
19:47 <wrtlprnft> is alex a girl?
19:48 <K-Yo> #tea
19:48 <noob7> my first thought as well :)
19:48 <armabot> K-Yo: Fortress Café: Players (9/32): *|°Dready°|*, /dev/null/h4ck, 0o0, <T¤$afari$Kater, Alpha Dog, cT_K-Yo (K-Yo@crazy-tronners.com), Izual, SpEeD, ~|DS-t|~Fabi
19:48 <K-Yo> :D
19:48 <epsy> noob7, [i][b]- Kenny [/b] -[/i]
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19:48 <epsy> wrtlprnft, not rica lol
19:48 <noob7> oh, I havent talked to her in weeks
19:48  * epsy neither, heh
19:48 <noob7> :o
19:51 <K-Yo> epsy, ca te dis de venit dire bonjour a Izual?
19:51 <K-Yo> tvenir
19:53 <epsy> K-Yo, t => ta touche pour parler sur arma? :)
19:53 <RayT> noob7, i'm french and I do speak English, but i suppose that when ppl of your own country come and say hello in your own language, you'll also speak your language with them for a while...
19:54 <noob7> actually no :) but I wasnt trying to insult you, I just noticed epsy speaking french a lot on this chan lately. I always try to speak english here as well as ingame because I find it rude to speak german, a language most people dont understand.
19:56 <epsy> noob7, we were talking about K-Yo and me's ISP which gone total shit in the past days
19:56 <epsy> noob7, nothing ausländer will really care about anyway
19:57 <noob7> not going to answer with "then do it in private if it isnt important" - because I really dont care
19:57 <noob7> :)
19:57 <K-Yo> epsy, pour le "t" c'est pas la premiere fois, j'ai trop du mal de passer de l'un a l'autre
19:57 <epsy> #arma.fr ? :(
19:57 <RayT> well, german is indeed hard to understand for anyone without any germanic language knowledge.... ppl who know a bit of anything similar like dutch, or netherlands... usually don't have difficulties with it
19:57 <epsy> K-Yo, j'utilise la touche d'insertion
19:58 <epsy> K-Yo, pendant un temps j'ai du laisser les touches t et s au chat
19:58 <epsy> paske sinon, bon tu vois le carnage koi
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19:59 <K-Yo> "insert"?
19:59 <noob13> #tea
20:00 <armabot> noob13: Fortress Café: Players (10/32): /dev/null/h4ck, Alpha Dog, CT_emmy, cT_K-Yo (K-Yo@crazy-tronners.com), I Am Me!, Kriki4, SpEeD, |x| FoFo, ~|DS-t|~Fabi, ~|DS|~G5
20:00 <epsy> K-Yo, au dessus de suppr et à gauche de 'début'
20:00 <K-Yo> je vois
20:00 <K-Yo> (je ss sur un laptop au fait ;))
20:00 <epsy> ah oui
20:00 <wrtlprnft_opera> french grammar is impossible to follow because it's so illogical to me
20:00 <epsy> c tjrs ds tt les sens et sa varie dun laptop à lautre ces touches
20:01 <epsy> wrtlprnft_opera, it's quite (too) open, yeah
20:01 <epsy> wrtlprnft_opera, all that stuff with locked propositions, also cases, really frustrates me
20:02 <noob13> and german grammar is logical? news to me. oO
20:02 <epsy> it's quite more structured
20:02 <wrtlprnft> what kind of language gives a different meaning to an adjective depending on whether it stands in front or after the noun?
20:02 <epsy> wrtlprnft_opera, un grand homme, un homme grand, do you feel the difference?
20:02 <epsy> hah
20:03 <wrtlprnft> totally
20:03 <wrtlprnft_opera> not
20:03 <epsy> heh
20:04 <wrtlprnft> ah, that's something i always wanted to try out. the order in which chat lines appear in different clients can vary
20:04 <wrtlprnft> test1
20:04 <wrtlprnft_opera> test2
20:04 <K-Yo> <wrtlprnft_opera> test2
20:04 <K-Yo> <wrtlprnft> test1
20:04 <epsy> same
20:04 <wrtlprnft> 20:04 <wrtlprnft> test1
20:04 <wrtlprnft> 20:04 <wrtlprnft_opera> test2
20:04 <wrtlprnft> that's from the wrtlprnft client
20:05 <epsy> but seriousely, all that s*** to have adjectives changing depending on case and all that case specific stuff..sucks!
20:05 <wrtlprnft> if two clients were connected to different servers of the same network the order could probably vary between a third and fourth client
20:05 <wrtlprnft> epsy: there's illogical parts in german, too, you just don't notice as a native speaker
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20:06 <epsy> j'ai donné une baguette au monsieur
20:06 <wrtlprnft> and anyways, I don't even remember which of the four german „Fälle“ is which. In fact i couldn't care less because i just intuitively choose the right one
20:07 <epsy> yeah that's raging us :P
20:07 <epsy> actually i've got more trouble applying the case than choosing the right one
20:09 <wrtlprnft> really?
20:09 <epsy> yes
20:09 <wrtlprnft> and the buisness about male/female/neutral articles
20:09 <wrtlprnft> but that's not that much better in french
20:09 <epsy> argh, long tive to english
20:09 <epsy> live*
20:10 <epsy> and long life to typos too
20:10 <wrtlprnft> »il est tres heures« ← er ist drei stunden? wtf?!
20:10 <wrtlprnft> yeah, enklisch ruls
20:10 <epsy> treize*
20:10 <wrtlprnft> ouch
20:10 <wrtlprnft> or trous
20:10 <wrtlprnft> or trouis
20:10 <wrtlprnft> or trois
20:10 <epsy> trois :)
20:10 <wrtlprnft> typos ftw
20:10 <wrtlprnft> no, i knew the last one was correct
20:11 <wrtlprnft> i just had a typo while correcting a typo
20:11 <epsy> that's what we call the "forme impersonnelle"
20:11 <wrtlprnft> and a typo correcting that
20:11 <epsy> probably comes from religious times..when people thought about these as divine actions (it's raining! « il pleut! »)
20:12 <epsy> then evolved into what we got now
20:13 <epsy> « il faudrait que j'achète un baguette »
20:13 <epsy> une*
20:14 <epsy> oh, you mean the lack of a neutral article?
20:14 <epsy> heh
20:14 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:15 <epsy> never really hurted me
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20:40 <K-Yo> indeed, everything has a sex in france
20:48 <noob13> u guys should try learning Finnish to know the meaning of confusion.
20:48 <noob13> i think its pretty obscure in many ways.
20:49 <K-Yo> in many ways.
20:54 <epsy> #ping
20:54 <armabot> pong
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22:27 <wrtlprnft> #cfg decor
22:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
22:27 <wrtlprnft> #cfg _IPS
22:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Sorry, no matches :S
22:27 <wrtlprnft> #cfg IP
22:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: ALLOW_ENEMIES_SAME_IP: If set to 1, this allows two players that apparently come from the same machine to fight for points with each other. (default: 0) || BAN_IP: Bans the spedified IP address from the server for a variable time. (default: ) || BUG_RIP: Allows the rim wall to be ripped open by a VERY close grind. (default: 0) || CAMERA_VISIBILITY_CLIP_SPEED: Speed with wich the visibility (2 more messages)
22:27 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: targets is brought into view (default: 40) || MAX_CLIENTS_SAME_IP_HARD: Maximum number of network clients to accept from the same IP; more logins will be ignored (default: 8) || MAX_CLIENTS_SAME_IP_SOFT: Maximum number of network clients to accept from the same IP; more logins will get kicked when the server is full (default: 4) || MAX_PLAYERS_SAME_IP: maximum number of players from the (1 more message)
22:27 <wrtlprnft> #more
22:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: same IP (note that each client can legally host up to four players) (default: 4) || SERVER_IP: IP the server listens on (default: ANY) || UNBAN_IP: Revokes the ban of the specified IP address. (default: )
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22:37 <Lackadaisical> how long untill the end of the day of the werewolf game?
22:38 <Monkey_arma> oO
22:39 <Lackadaisical> z-man: how long untill the end of the day of the werewolf game?
22:39 <wrtlprnft> Lackadaisical: tomorrow at 23:00 i think
22:39 <z-man> Well, originally, 26 hours.
22:40 <Lackadaisical> ok, thanks
22:40 <z-man> I posted the conditions for an early day end.
22:41 <Lackadaisical> guess i'll have to reread..
22:42 <wrtlprnft> maybe end the day if (the day would have regularily passed) || (there were no posts for 2 hours) && (everyone alive has posted) && (there's a majority)
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22:45 <wrtlprnft> Lackadaisical: your post totally looks like it's been written by a worm
22:46 <Lackadaisical> yeah i was afraid of that
22:46 <wrtlprnft> Lackadaisical: but there's just two or three wolves, so losing one would be really bad for them
22:47 <wrtlprnft> so i think your reasoning with noone jumping in for maz is actually a valid one
22:47 <Lackadaisical> the problem is that i'm jumping in for him now...
22:47 <Lackadaisical> sort of
22:47 <wrtlprnft> yeah
22:47 <Monkey_arma> looks interesting
22:48 <wrtlprnft> i wonder if i should change my vote to you
22:48 <Lackadaisical> but i think it's suspicious that jonathan 'just sealed maz' fate
22:48 <wrtlprnft> and if i can do that without raising supicions against me
22:48 <wrtlprnft> yeah, it's not like jonathan to not have a reason
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22:50 <Lackadaisical> i'd also think he'd know how bad it is to go around like an angry mob
22:50 <fonkay> zman around?
22:50 <Lackadaisical> yes
22:50 <fonkay> well maybe someone else can answer as well.
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22:50 <fonkay> When we lynch someone, do we get to find out if we suck or not?
22:51 <wrtlprnft> fonkay: no :-(
22:51 <wrtlprnft> i hope we do at the end
22:51 <fonkay> I'm assuming not, but curious
22:51 <fonkay> ahha
22:51 <fonkay> so we wont know until we've "won" or not.
22:52 <fonkay> that sure would add a new strategy to the game.
22:53 <wrtlprnft> it would?
22:53 <Lackadaisical> i thin it'd be too easy no? because if one wolf's out.. you'd know who voted against
22:56 <fonkay> it would.. maybe not for such a small group. but still
22:56 <fonkay> if it were a larger group of players, worms could vote for other worms to disguise themselves, and humans could vote for the wrong person... and so on.
22:57 <Lackadaisical> true
22:57 <wrtlprnft> i think it might be fun with a larger group if the worms wouldn't kill anyone but rather silently infect the other programs
22:57 <wrtlprnft> and the programs would lynch two people a day
22:57 <fonkay> and with a larger group, you would have many worms, so knowing you've killed say 2 out of 5 would be good to know.
22:58 <wrtlprnft> so every day one program gets newly infected and two get killed
22:58 <fonkay> odd...that would maybe be too hard
22:58 <Lackadaisical> i dont think you can win that without luck
22:59 <wrtlprnft> then help the normal programs a bit
22:59 <Monkey_arma> lucifer is being too subtle...i think he looks suspicious
22:59 <fonkay> i think i know a few people already.
22:59 <wrtlprnft> why do i get the feeling this will end up with me getting lynched now?
23:00 <fonkay> >:)
23:00 <Lackadaisical> did you reply?
23:00 <wrtlprnft> you're not gonna like it
23:00 <Lackadaisical> nvm
23:00 <fonkay> only one who hasn't is My mom
23:00 <wrtlprnft> lacks didn't vote yet
23:00 <fonkay> didn't say vote, we said reply
23:01 <wrtlprnft> yeah, but i imagine he might want to at some point
23:01 <Lackadaisical> well wrtl has already voted thrice
23:01 <wrtlprnft> four times actually
23:01 <fonkay> for different people though
23:01 <wrtlprnft> i talk too much
23:01 <fonkay> it's a maritime thing :P
23:01 <wrtlprnft> jonathan guru3 mazuffer Lackadaisical IIRC
23:02  * guru3 waves
23:02 <fonkay> Somehow I was the one who started the whole MaZ thing.
23:02 <guru3> the most thoughtless comments are devestating
23:02 <guru3> i've written a small book and no one cares
23:03 <wrtlprnft> if i was a NPC with the complete list of roles this would certainly be fun to watch
23:03  * wrtlprnft envies z-man 
23:03 <fonkay> well, i think people see the lnoger post and speeches as double-talk and trying to hard to be all innocent.
23:04 <wrtlprnft> maybe they keep their post short to avoid giving themselves away
23:05 <fonkay> Mostly because there's more to read into. You can't read much from a short blurb about nonsense and a vote.
23:05 <Lackadaisical> thats why im thinking its jonathan and durka
23:05 <Lackadaisical> (short posts)
23:05 <Lackadaisical> not really
23:05 <z-man> Nice avatars.
23:05 <fonkay> all my posts were short.. mostly because I don't have much else to say on the matter. No one has gunned for me yet, so I'm not in need of defending myself.
23:05 <guru3> Lackadaisical: maz's posts have been short
23:06 <fonkay> I like my new Dot avatar.
23:06 <guru3> not only have they been short, but they've all been trying to detract attention from himself
23:06 <MaZuffeR> as has everyone else's :P
23:06 <guru3> everyone else has made a self reference
23:06 <guru3> you haven't talked about yourself at all
23:07 <Lackadaisical> me?
23:07 <guru3> maz
23:07 <guru3> ddmj too
23:07 <fonkay> nice new post tank, love it.
23:07 <guru3> the first or the second one?
23:08 <fonkay> first i suppose
23:08 <guru3> i was losing track of things
23:08 <guru3> i needed to sum it all up
23:08 <guru3> thought it might be helpful to someone else as well :3
23:09 <Lackadaisical> not leaving anything out, are you? ;)
23:09 <fonkay> zman said we needed an absolute majority? so why change the vote wrt?
23:10 <guru3> your mom needs to have talked as well
23:10 <guru3> Lackadaisical: i don't think so
23:10 <fonkay> damn mother
23:10 <guru3> i suppose i should do a vote count
23:10 <fonkay> i have one
23:11 <Lackadaisical> it's like maz 5 lack 1 tank 1 or something?
23:11 <wrtlprnft> tank?
23:11 <fonkay> right now 5/10 for maz 1/10 for lack 1/10 for tank and 2 undecided.
23:11 <wrtlprnft> who's voting for tank?
23:11 <Lackadaisical> maz voted for tank
23:11 <fonkay> wait...
23:11 <Lackadaisical> we are only with nine
23:11 <guru3> 9 players
23:11 <fonkay> yea
23:12 <fonkay> lack and Y_M are yet to vote
23:12 <fonkay> wrtl changed to lack and maz for tank
23:12 <fonkay> everyone else is voting for MaZ
23:13 <Lackadaisical> wrtl, isn't voting for me pretty much saying that you think maz is a wolf (and i'm trying to save his butt)? so why did you change votes?
23:13 <fonkay> I kept having to read 3 pages of post every few hours to remember the players, and who voted for what, so i wrote it down.
23:13 <fonkay> why lack? is that what's happening
23:14 <guru3> Lackadaisical, don't take it personally
23:14 <guru3> he voted for me too
23:14 <fonkay> haha
23:14 <guru3> Jonathan, 1 retracted
23:14 <guru3> Lackadaisical, 1 current
23:14 <guru3> Maz, 5 current, 1 retracted
23:14 <guru3> Tank Program, 1 current, 1 retracted
23:14 <guru3> wrtlprnft, 1 retracted
23:15 <guru3> so far lucifer, fonkay, ddmj, and your mom have been above suspicion
23:15 <fonkay> that's cause I look so sweet and innocent.
23:15 <fonkay> it's my "special" power.
23:16 <guru3> it might be
23:16 <wrtlprnft> Lackadaisical: well, the reasoning is that in the current state of affairs maz is going to get lynched anyways. If you're trying to save his ass and it really sparks over and everyone votes against you, who cares? we can lynch maz in the next round
23:16 <wrtlprnft> Lackadaisical: if i voted for someone else everyone would think you and me were wolves
23:17 <Lackadaisical> I guess I did kind of succeed what i had wanted, less ganging up on one person which isn't going to help anyway
23:17 <fonkay> what about the absolute majority thing?
23:19 <fonkay> I say we vote maz for this round, 'cause why not? someone has to be the lamb, and we can get lack next round.
23:19 <Lackadaisical> you sound like a wolf
23:19 <fonkay> *worm tyvm
23:19 <Lackadaisical> yw
23:20 <fonkay> ma
23:20 <pippijn> tyvm sounds like a virtual machine (or actually, it looks like a window manager on first sight)
23:20 <guru3> ol
23:20 <guru3> lol even
23:22 <guru3> the thing is
23:22 <fonkay> Like i said already.. Unless someone jumps up and says "hey! I'm a worm" we're not in a place to make an educated decision at this point anyways. My strategy was to vote for someone, and watch the fuss and fighting. It's working fine so far.. WE still have until tomorrow night to finalize a vote.
23:23 <guru3> this game if you're not careful can be such a huge drain of time
23:23 <noob7> lucifer is the firewall
23:23 <fonkay> drain away from doing what exactly?
23:23 <noob7> :o
23:23 <guru3> meaningful things like watching tv -_-
23:25 <fonkay> I spent a good chunk of my day watching paint dry and chatting on here.. and getting paid for it, so I'm good.
23:28 <noob7> what type of paint? this is crucial information before asking where I can apply for your job
23:28 <joda_bot> fonkay: u get payed to chat with tron players :-) ... how deep can one sink ... ;)
23:30  * joda_bot is a bot ... and probably there are no bots in the game :-) only wolfes and worms :-)
23:31 <noob7> trying to channel the attention away there joda?
23:31  * z-man does not want to know how larger games would go around here
23:32 <z-man> noob7: joda is not playing :)
23:32 <noob7> even more suspicious isnt it?
23:32 <z-man> Yeah, go ahead and vote for him.
23:32  * noob7 isnt playing....
23:32 <noob7> wait!
23:33 <z-man> (The second last game over at IV, someone was lynched for voting for someone who was not playing. good fun ;) )
23:35 <guru3> lol
23:35 <z-man> Of course, he really was a wolf.
23:36 <noob7> the  guy that got lynched?
23:36 <z-man> yes.
23:36 <guru3> lol again
23:39  * wrtlprnft wonders if his avatar makes him suspicious
23:40 <guru3> just gave me an idea for one
23:41 <epsy> wrtlprnft, whatever role you're playing, you're compromising your team :P
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