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04:39 <Monkey_arma> #kill hoax
04:39 <armabot> hoax will die on Mon Mar 24 04:43:45 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by Monkey_arma
04:40 <hoax> #insult Monkey_arma
04:40 <armabot> Monkey_arma - You are nothing but a hacked-up mound of vain slurpee-backwash.
04:40  * hoax agrees %100
04:41 <Monkey_arma> #insult hoax
04:41 <armabot> hoax - You are nothing but a malodorous pile of elf-skinned cold.
04:43 <hoax> armabot, Monkey ftw?
04:43 <armabot> Monkey's a twat.
04:43  * hoax agrees %100
04:44 <Monkey_arma> :0
04:44  * Monkey_arma slaps armabot
04:45 <Monkey_arma> how vary dare you
04:46 <hoax> armabot, going to take that?
04:46 <armabot> Shut up Monkey, noob.
04:46 <Monkey_arma> lmao
04:47 <Monkey_arma> damn the AI gets better in this game...i just been done
04:47 <hoax> #night
04:47 <armabot> Good night hoax!
04:47 <hoax> :)
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08:27 <wrtlprnft> #later tell ady* epsy can't edit forum posts made by others, neither can i.
08:27 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
08:40 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: is there a branch with authentification AND the latest styball memory fixes ?
08:41 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: nice you're getting up early ;)
08:41 <joda_bot> -getting
08:44 <wrtlprnft> not THAT early
08:44 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: i think there is, wait a sec
08:44 <wrtlprnft> https://code.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
08:45 <wrtlprnft> someone would need to merge the new stuff into this branch
08:45 <wrtlprnft> maybe i'll do it after breakfast
08:45 <joda_bot> why isn't that branch on armagetronad ?
08:51 <wrtlprnft> ?
08:52 <wrtlprnft> we're using bazaar for it because svn isn't really suited for it
08:53 <joda_bot> yeah just noticed when reading through what baza and launchpad is about
08:53 <wrtlprnft> z-man mostly commits over bzr these days
08:53 <joda_bot> so sf svn is out of date and will only contain release versions ?
08:53 <wrtlprnft> no, they're synced
08:54 <joda_bot> hm, ok ... where should user report bugs etc ?
08:54 <joda_bot> this gets kind of confusing ,)
08:55 <wrtlprnft> to launchpad
08:55 <joda_bot> but the branch u mentioned is not on sf
08:55 <joda_bot> so the sync is partial
08:55 <wrtlprnft> we're trying to move off SF, mostly
08:55 <joda_bot> ah ok
08:55 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: no, there's a 0.2.8 branch, too, without pig stuff, and that's always in sync
08:56 <joda_bot> probably I failed to notice are there pointers to the new repository / bug reporting site ?
08:56 <joda_bot> a news entry on sf might help to explain where to report bugs , too
08:56 <wrtlprnft> on the wiki
08:56 <joda_bot> i read the sf news ... but did not go to the wiki
08:56 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: gotta ask z-man, guru3 or Lucifer_bed about that, I'm not an admin
08:56 <joda_bot> ok
08:57 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: i'm currently trying to merge the latest 0.2.8 into the pig stuff
08:57 <wrtlprnft> later, anyways. breakfast
08:58 <joda_bot> thx good hunger
08:59 <joda_bot> #later tell z-man* I did notice the new launchpad repository. Pointers to the new repository / bug reporting site on SF news and other prominent places might help to explain where to report bugs, look for code (example styball)!
08:59 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
08:59 <joda_bot> #later tell luci* I did notice the new launchpad repository. Pointers to the new repository / bug reporting site on SF news and other prominent places might help to explain where to report bugs, look for code (example styball)!
08:59 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
08:59 <joda_bot> #later tell guru* I did notice the new launchpad repository. Pointers to the new repository / bug reporting site on SF news and other prominent places might help to explain where to report bugs, look for code (example styball)!
08:59 <armabot> joda_bot: The operation succeeded.
09:25 <joda_bot> #help
09:25 <armabot> joda_bot: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
09:27 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: ok, i'm finished merging, the commit should be on lp soon
09:28 <wrtlprnft> to get it use bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
09:28 <joda_bot> how stable is that branch ?
09:28 <joda_bot> bazaar damn... just painfully compiled svn
09:28 <joda_bot> where can I get the source ?
09:30  * wrtlprnft has no clue about bzr on windows
09:30 <wrtlprnft> if that's what you want
09:30 <wrtlprnft> and on linux you should just use your distribution's package manager
09:31 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: no I'm trying to improve nixda's server setup to be able to pull current bug fixes
09:31 <joda_bot> for sty ball server
09:31 <joda_bot> it's quite nasty, because the bash env is limited and allows only minimal forks with 4 servers running
09:31 <joda_bot> that's why I had to shutdown nixda's servers
09:31 <joda_bot> should put them back up soon
09:31 <wrtlprnft> oh…
09:32 <wrtlprnft> get another machine to do the fetching from svn/bzr?
09:34 <joda_bot> yeah might be an idea
09:39 <flex> With great power comes great responsibility
09:40 <flex> This is my gift, my curse. Who am I? I'm Spider-man.
09:40 <flex> [insert soundtrack]
09:42 <joda_bot> flex: Did you try to comment on our discussion or was that totally unrelated ?
09:42 <joda_bot> - try to
09:43 <flex> tried to :(
09:44 <joda_bot> I wrote "tried to" because I did not understand what exactly u wanted to say with that quotation
09:44 <joda_bot> did u try to say "I should be careful when setting up the server ?"
09:44 <flex> lol no
09:44 <flex> I just finished watching Spiderman 1 again ;)
09:45 <flex> felt i'd share the last sentance
09:45 <joda_bot> ahhh ok ;)
09:45 <joda_bot> see so it was not related ;)
09:47 <flex> true, but hey, it's c00l
09:49 <joda_bot> flex: No objection, but I watched the old cartoon series before the movies so I still prefer the old cartoon series somehow...
09:50 <flex> oh yeah, i agree
09:50 <joda_bot> because the cartoon allows for more charater development I guess ... the movie is abit shorthanded on that part
09:50 <flex> right
09:50 <flex> but don't you think the movie was very well done
09:51 <flex> it hit the spot in my opinion of how a spiderman movie can possibly do it.
09:55 <joda_bot> yeah they did the best effort to press much of the story into the 2h+ movie time
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09:55 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: epsy: anyone good with python ?
09:56 <joda_bot> I have a python 2.4 installed but no python-devel any chance I can get distutils.core without being able to install pyhton-devel ?
09:56  * wrtlprnft doesn't know python very well
09:57 <epsy> we both left over binary distros :þ
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12:25 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: would I do a bzr pull or bzr checkout ?
12:25 <joda_bot> or how ever will I get the data
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12:32 <wrtlprnft> Download URL:http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
12:33 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft:  eh got it done ;)
12:33 <wrtlprnft> and after that you just do bzr pull
12:33 <joda_bot> I branched it using bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-sty
12:33 <wrtlprnft> sorry, been away
12:33 <joda_bot> it was what the website suggested
12:33 <wrtlprnft> sorry, i pasted the wrong thing, anyways
12:33 <wrtlprnft> i wanted to paste what the website suggested :-)
12:33 <joda_bot> Yeah, but it was too small to catch my attention
12:34 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: do u know what version of python arma requires right noe ?
12:34 <joda_bot> now
12:36 <wrtlprnft> arma itself doesn't require python at all
12:36 <joda_bot> I know
12:36 <wrtlprnft> the only thing that requires python is the resource sorter
12:36 <joda_bot> but the build process does
12:37 <wrtlprnft> nothing too recent
12:37 <joda_bot> ok will check that later
12:37 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: any idea how to get the differences between your styball branch and crazy tronners armahacktron ?
12:38 <joda_bot> I got both a local folder and now I'm wondering how to best compare both
12:41 <joda_bot> I guess I solved my prob
12:41 <joda_bot> hehe --- let's see how much bazaar can handle
12:42 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: feel free to create a bzr branch for armahacktron
12:42 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: something like that I'm about to do
12:42 <wrtlprnft> that would enable us to merge all the armathentication and other changes into it
12:42 <joda_bot> but I guess I need to register and sign up to commit
12:42 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:43 <wrtlprnft> send a request to join armagetronad-dev, too, so an admin can confirm it
12:49 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: does it usually take long for the registering process ?
12:50  * wrtlprnft only did it once
12:50 <wrtlprnft> no, it doesn't
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12:50 <wrtlprnft> ah, there's the guy you need to ask for membership in armagetronad-dev
12:50 <joda_bot> zmanuel: good day and happy easter
12:51 <zmanuel> Oh, Hi joda :_)
12:51 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8380 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. language/english_base.txt src/engine/ePlayer.cpp):
12:51 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft: /rtfm now respects serverside silencing and the spam protection, plus
12:51 <armabot> armagetronad: there's an announcement to everyone if someone uses it (but only the sender and
12:51 <armabot> armagetronad: receiver get spammed with the complete help text, of course). I don't really
12:51 <armabot> armagetronad: understand the code to make a message silencable by the client, though :-(
12:51 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
12:52 <z-man> armagetronad-dev on launchpad, I assume?
12:52 <wrtlprnft> yeah
12:52 <joda_bot> but I can't register as it seems
12:52 <joda_bot> because they won't send me an email :-P
12:53 <joda_bot> email seems to be snail mail nowadays
12:53 <wrtlprnft> graylisting probably
12:54 <joda_bot> on arcor.de ?
12:54 <joda_bot> or university ?
12:54 <wrtlprnft> gotta hate the guy who invented it
12:54 <z-man> Nah, it's useful.
12:54 <wrtlprnft> no clue who uses it, except that too many providers use it
12:54 <joda_bot> ok arcor uses greylisting
12:55 <wrtlprnft> why? so now you get the same spam multiple times because spambots don't bother checking if their mail actually got greylisted?
12:56 <joda_bot> no idea why
12:56 <joda_bot> Just googled it ... and someone complained about arcor using greylisting
12:56 <joda_bot> => arcor probably uses greylisting
12:57 <z-man> Umm, no, that's not what greylisting does AFAIK, it just refuses mail from new peers for the first time with an intermediate "try again later" error.
12:57 <joda_bot> oh the why went to z-man ;)
12:57 <wrtlprnft> z-man: so what spambots do these days is send each message twice with some time delay
12:58 <wrtlprnft> increasing the load on the servers even further, and causing a delay for legetimate mail
12:58 <z-man> Yeah, of course, it was only a question of time before spammers would adapt :)
12:59 <wrtlprnft> so now we have the same amount of spam AND mails tend to take forever to arrive
13:00 <z-man> You can instruct your spam filter to ignore exact duplicates, and email was never a realtime message system.
13:01 <wrtlprnft> it was still handy when it was almost instantaneous
13:01 <z-man> It all depends on the implementation. Whatever Strato changed lately, it reduced the spam hitting my filters by a factor of 5 or so.
13:01 <z-man> And I still get important messages as soon as I fetch them.
13:01 <wrtlprnft> yeah, probably
13:02  * wrtlprnft ponders about a telephone spam filter
13:06  * joda_bot ponders about the amounts of changes between armahacktron and styball 0.2.8 ;)
13:06 <joda_bot> fills screens of text ;)
13:07 <joda_bot> patch of 1,2 MB ;)
13:07 <joda_bot> but this is wrong direction ;)
13:07 <joda_bot> I copied wrtl's styball branch and pasted the armahacktron files into it ;)
13:07 <wrtlprnft> you need to find out the revision at which armahacktron was branched off
13:07 <joda_bot> now I got all the wrong diffs ;)
13:08 <wrtlprnft> *z-man's styball branch
13:08 <joda_bot> because all new changes are also included
13:08 <joda_bot> ok ;)
13:08 <wrtlprnft> i'd do the following:
13:09 <wrtlprnft> - get a 0.2.8 SVN checkout at the revision armahacktron was forked off
13:09 <wrtlprnft> - copy armahacktron over it
13:09 <wrtlprnft> - svn up
13:09 <wrtlprnft> - resolve conflicts
13:09 <wrtlprnft> - resolve more conflicts
13:09 <wrtlprnft> - copy the result over a bzr styball checkout
13:09 <joda_bot> let me check the exact version
13:10 <wrtlprnft> push that checkout into a new bzr branch
13:10 <wrtlprnft> from there on it should be easy to merge new changes
13:10 <joda_bot> can't I merge the sty-ball branch over the trunk one ?
13:10 <z-man> Not on bzr, no.
13:10 <joda_bot> and then push that result to bzr ?
13:10 <z-man> For bzr, 0.2.8 and trunk are unrelated.
13:11 <z-man> That's basically because they were branched when we were still using CVS.
13:11 <wrtlprnft> note that the trunk still has broken zone parsing
13:11 <joda_bot> yes, crazy tronner is based on VERY old trunk
13:11 <z-man> It has? Where's the bug tracking entry? :)
13:11 <joda_bot> I guess
13:12 <joda_bot> I know it's trunk based ;9
13:12 <wrtlprnft> z-man: at least any zonesv1 map you load with a client is missing the zones
13:12  * wrtlprnft makes a bug tracker entry to make z-man happy.
13:12 <z-man> Thanks :)
13:12  * z-man is happy
13:13 <joda_bot> hmmm strange svn folders on armahacktron
13:14 <joda_bot> seems like there is no release / build entry left
13:14 <joda_bot> isn't there a file with the exact svn build thing for the root directory
13:14 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: ed moved armahacktron to a new local svn repository IIRC
13:14 <joda_bot> oh damn
13:15 <joda_bot> so all I got is useless svn data
13:15 <wrtlprnft> let me try something
13:15 <joda_bot> and the hint from svn_update that it is trunk based
13:15 <joda_bot> eh update_svn
13:16 <wrtlprnft> Last Changed Rev: 7210
13:16 <wrtlprnft> maybe check if that's plausible
13:17 <wrtlprnft> it's an old dir i found on the CT server
13:17 <joda_bot> how did u get that info -- ah ok
13:17 <epsy> bbl
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13:19 <wrtlprnft> z-man: errm, how DO i add a bug
13:19  * wrtlprnft has been clicking around lp for 10 minutes now
13:19 <wrtlprnft> nvm
13:19 <wrtlprnft> i was in ~armagetronad-dev all the time
13:20 <z-man> yeah, that's a bit of a UI problem on launchpad
13:20  * z-man was trying to add epsy to the developers and was on the project page all of the time
13:20  * wrtlprnft had to modify the URI in his browser because he didn't see a link
13:22 <joda_bot> got on lauchpad and applied
13:24 <joda_bot> z-man: bump ;)
13:24 <z-man> username?
13:24 <z-man> ah, ok
13:24  * wrtlprnft wonders why they don't link the ladybug at the top-right that has “linked to a bug report” to a page that shows the bugs the branch is linked to
13:25 <wrtlprnft> s/has/says
13:26 <joda_bot> z-man: got more than one subscription ?
13:26 <z-man> No, I just missed the bit that you had applied to join armagetronad-dev
13:27  * z-man approved it
13:27 <joda_bot> :-9
13:27 <wrtlprnft> Recently approved
13:27 <wrtlprnft> yarrt (yarrt)
13:27 <pippijn> what's armagetronad-dev
13:27 <z-man> wrtlprnft: the docs even hint that it does such a link.
13:27 <z-man> pippijn: the developer group on launchpad.
13:27 <pippijn> ah
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13:29 <wrtlprnft> z-man: 205977
13:30 <z-man> got it
13:30 <z-man> Fix in progress? You're taking care of it?
13:31 <wrtlprnft> err, i didn't do anything to the bug's status
13:31 <wrtlprnft> must be the default
13:32 <wrtlprnft> you can probably do it faster as you merged the two zone systems together
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13:33 <wrtlprnft> it does appear as “new” to me
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13:37 <joda_bot> is there a linux tool which detects pc line breaks and converts them to unix ?
13:39 <wrtlprnft> vim?
13:40 <wrtlprnft> dos2unix?
13:41 <wrtlprnft> sed 's/^M$//' being a more primitive alternative
13:43 <joda_bot> dos to unix I guess was what I remembered
13:44 <joda_bot> but problem it should recognize binary files / images or something similiar ;)
13:44 <joda_bot> so I do it only on the source
13:44 <joda_bot> should be enough
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13:45 <joda_bot> ah dos2unix has an option not to modify binary files
13:51 <pippijn> what is a binary file?
13:54 <wrtlprnft> probably something that contains too many zero bytes and other control chars
13:55 <wrtlprnft> although a REAL binary file can of course only contain 0x30 and 0x31 ;-)
13:57 <pippijn> no, that's an ascii file
13:59 <joda_bot> wrtlprnft: do u know or can check with Ed and CT that none is not working on merging armagetron auth with his armahacktron
13:59 <joda_bot> because it seems like the job that needs to be done ?
13:59 <joda_bot> to get a styball compatible version with auth and latest fixes
14:01 <wrtlprnft> joda_bot: noone is as far as i know
14:02 <wrtlprnft> i'll try to get them to use your branch as soon as it's there, though :-)
14:02 <wrtlprnft> so further development gets done there
14:02 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: do you know perl?
14:02 <wrtlprnft> (which would obviously require ed, voodoo and p4 to get commit access to the branch)
14:03 <wrtlprnft> less than python
14:03 <pippijn> how well do you know python?
14:03 <wrtlprnft> the only p<something> i know relatively well is PHP
14:03 <pippijn> http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/f25035d6e51b31acb1ce622a66c25f4f.txt <- how would you improve this?
14:03 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: the basics, but nothing fancy
14:03 <wrtlprnft> is this a job interview?
14:03 <pippijn> no
14:03 <wrtlprnft> just feels like one ;-)
14:04 <pippijn> I am in no position to offer jobs
14:04 <pippijn> (yet
14:04 <pippijn> )
14:04 <wrtlprnft> wow, i finally understand why perl is regarded to be write-only
14:05 <pippijn> :-D
14:06 <pippijn> I use perl as my C, make and ocaml preprocessor
14:06 <pippijn> or even as my perl preprocessor
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14:07  * wrtlprnft wonders how many languages (besides C) have a feature-complete compiler/interpreter written in itself
14:08 <armabot> lpbugs: [205977] Trunk can't parse v1 zones from map files
14:08 <pippijn> rio
14:08 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/9e4b8cb18de575f42525fd7eae04f5c0.txt
14:08 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: that's ocaml code to be preprocessed by perl
14:09 <flex> Does a ticking hard drive mean it's a bomb and I should exit very quickly?
14:09 <pippijn> flex: how old is it?
14:09 <pippijn> is the ticking regular?
14:09 <flex> warrenty hasn't even passed
14:09 <flex> no it's only when it starts up
14:09 <pippijn> is it a lot of ticking with very short intervals?
14:10 <flex> urm it's hard ticks with atleast 1second intervals
14:10 <pippijn> ah
14:10 <joda_bot> bbl
14:10 <pippijn> that's the head hitting the stopper
14:10 <flex> right, is that only a physical fix?
14:10 <flex> or can i fix it myself..
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14:11 <wrtlprnft> you just need a very strong magnet
14:11 <pippijn> if you didn't change anything, it's likely physical
14:11 <wrtlprnft> hi Novocaine 
14:11 <Novocaine> Heya.
14:11 <wrtlprnft> does tronwatch work again?
14:11 -!- Novocaine is now known as Novocaine-
14:11 <pippijn> you may want to try removing cleaning the connectors
14:11 <flex> actually the most important question would be, can i actually access the data to backup
14:11 <pippijn> -removing
14:11 <flex> tried that
14:12 <pippijn> flex: if you can't, xinutec can
14:12 <flex> it's from an external disk, and i happened when i shut down the computer some way i can't remember
14:12 <flex> wrtlprnft, strong magnet?
14:12 <wrtlprnft> just kidding
14:12 <pippijn> yeah, so you lose all your data
14:12 <flex> urm wouldn't that effect the data too?
14:12 <flex> lol
14:12 <flex> right
14:12 <Novocaine-> Neh, didn't get around (my webhoster doesn't feel like hosting it anymore, they just blocked my cronjobs without saying anything). Anyway, node7 was gonna host it for a while until I switched to another hoster.
14:12 <pippijn> a degausser could help, too
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14:13 <pippijn> and it would certainly help making your hard disk unusable forever
14:13 <wrtlprnft> because pippijn's analysis of the sound sounded like a BOFH (BAFH actually) episode
14:13 <flex> urm, wondering how exactly it got to that stage..
14:13 <flex> (the head hitting the stopper)
14:14 <pippijn> if you want to get rid of a hard disk, use a persistent temperature thermistor
14:14 <flex> i've filed an rma with WD so it's not an issue of getting that hd space.. just i kind of have credentials stored on that
14:14 <pippijn> and a small coil
14:15 <wrtlprnft> Novocaine-: just get another server to send a http request to yours that runs the “cronjob”?
14:15 <pippijn> flex: is there no way by software to get to the data?
14:15 <pippijn> flex: have you tried a different hdd controller?
14:15 <flex> urm you tell me.. i tried accessing but i'm getting a "unreadable"
14:15 <Novocaine-> Did that, they took away the permissions to the directory where the file is in ;P
14:15 <pippijn> what did you use to access it?
14:16 <wrtlprnft> o_O
14:16 <wrtlprnft> without telling you anything at all?
14:16 <Novocaine-> Yup.
14:16 <flex> normal way of trying to get to a secondary disk
14:16 <wrtlprnft> definitely get another hoster.
14:16 <pippijn> can you use a forensics tool like winhex to access the disk?
14:17 <Novocaine-> Sadly I still have 4 months paid or something.
14:17 <flex> never tried winhex but i tried Active@ File Recovery
14:17 <flex> best i've used so far..
14:17 <flex> can't say i 100% know what i was doing, but i couldn't actually even "touch" the disk on it
14:17 <pippijn> you could not?
14:18 <flex> no it wouldn't scan the disk
14:18 <pippijn> hm
14:18 <flex> but it found the right name "wd external"
14:18 <flex> and also device manager found the correct name also
14:18 <flex> "wd external bla bla"
14:18 <pippijn> 14:19 < pippijn> flex: have you tried a different hdd controller?
14:18 <flex> i tried a laptop, and i also tried to disconnect the actual disk from the external and connected it to the pc
14:19 <flex> gave me blue screen so couldn't get onto windows
14:19 <pippijn> ah
14:19 <pippijn> try a real OS then
14:19 <flex> lol
14:19 <flex> dunno if ide and sata can work together..
14:19 <flex> or some how they were conflicting to take the master
14:19 <flex> or something
14:20 <pippijn> if so, the bios would have choked
14:20 <pippijn> windows choking on it is due to bad design
14:20 <pippijn> try a linux recovery disk
14:20 <wrtlprnft> Novocaine-: > Das Betreiben von Diensten, welche die betrieblichen Ressourcen von MN AG Hoststar nachteilig beeinflussen, sind nicht erlaubt. […] Welche Inhalte unter einen dieser Punkte fallen, liegt im Ermessen von MN AG Hoststar.
14:20 <flex> if it's physical right, how would i even be able to access the disk?
14:20 <Novocaine-> I know.
14:20  * wrtlprnft doesn't think it should fall under that point, though.
14:21 <flex> i kinda jumped boat once i figured out that that ticking was the header hitting something
14:21 <wrtlprnft> one request per minute isn't exactly demanding to the server
14:21 <Novocaine-> I'm not sure, my MySQL skills aren't that good, I think it might be a bit slow with a lot of data, haven't tested it locally though.
14:21 <pippijn> in computer mechanics, that's called "head"
14:21 <pippijn> and the thing it hits is the "stopper"
14:21 <flex> right lol
14:22 <wrtlprnft> Novocaine-: what kind of structure are you using?
14:22 <wrtlprnft> i know the structure i'm using on my server is terrible, but i'm too lazy to do something better
14:22 <pippijn> flex: you should really try a linux live cd
14:22 <flex> i tried afew
14:22 <pippijn> disconnect all disks except for the one you deem broken
14:22 <Novocaine-> I actually know what I'd have to change to make it more efficient.
14:23 <Novocaine-> But... lazy.
14:23 <flex> hmm, i could try that
14:23 <Novocaine-> And I haven't exactly got too much time on my hands lately.
14:23 <flex> again pippijn, if it's a physical thing, why am i bothering..
14:23 <Novocaine-> Anyway, afk.
14:23 <pippijn> flex: it's not necessarily a physical thing
14:23 <pippijn> but it does sound like one
14:24 <pippijn> the hitting is likely to be caused by a loose contact in the head controller inside the case
14:25 <flex> i'm likely not going to get the data back without a recovery right..
14:25 <pippijn> yes
14:25 <flex> i might as well just send it back and get a replacement.. i'm not going to die without the data
14:26 <flex> just i feel stupid for not backing up abunch of credentials i sometimes used..
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15:01 <z-man> wrtlprnft: I'll see if I can make /rtfm respect clientside silencing. It's basically just a matter of sending the output not as a plain console output, but as a server controlled chat message.
15:02 <z-man> Ah, you already noticed that :)
15:03 <wrtlprnft> ;-)
15:04 <wrtlprnft> i know it's a matter of se_ServerControlledChatMessageConsole, i just don't want to be the one who gets the client version checking wrong
15:05 <z-man> Yeah, I'll see if I can wrap it into a neat function a la sn_ConsoleOut.
15:05  * z-man is a bit scared himself
15:06 <wrtlprnft> that would be neat
15:11 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8381 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/tron/gCycleMovement.cpp): Manuel Moos: corrected comment.
15:11 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8382 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Corrected access level given in rtfm_denied message.
15:14 <wrtlprnft> what did i mess up this time? :o
15:15 <wrtlprnft> meh, that's what you get if you copy and paste even a single line.
15:29 <z-man> Oops, typo
15:29 <z-man> embarrasing if you fix a screwup and screw up even worse ;)
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15:33 <wrtlprnft> se_rtfmUpAccessLevel :D
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15:53 <z-man> Aww, crap, the existing send-as-chat functions apply spam_max_len to everything that is sent.
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16:03 <mkzelda> http://forum.netcoders.cc/announcements/14061-unerring-punkbuster.html#post152071
16:04 <wrtlprnft> even on the server side?
16:06 <flex> ouch
16:07 <z-man> wrtlprnft: yeah, never trust the client is our motto :)
16:08 <z-man> I just override the setting during the /rtfm call.
16:12  * wrtlprnft assumed the server would do that when getting the message
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16:24 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8384 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Duplicate login errors now go to the player trying to log in, not the one who already is logged in.
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18:46 <Mixnetwork> hi
18:47 <Mixnetwork> problem, cann't install server version -0.2.8.2.1. on ubuntu, could someone help me there?
18:47 <Ttech> <Ruby> i am away (no reason) but private messages will be later, for the time to install kbattleship Or Armagetron Advacned
18:47 <Ttech> <scott> o.0
18:47 <Ttech> Mixnetwork,  About time
18:48 <Ttech> Where have you been
18:48 <Ttech> lol
18:48 <Ttech> *bean
18:48 <Mixnetwork> lol
18:48 <Mixnetwork> busy
18:48 <Ttech> Reember me?
18:48 <Ttech> ;)
18:48 <Mixnetwork> nope
18:48 <Mixnetwork> oh wait
18:48 <Ttech> yes
18:48 <Ttech> The Doctor, Ttech, the noob. ;)
18:48 <Ttech> lol
18:48 <Mixnetwork> lol
18:48 <Ttech> Who wanted to update your site
18:48 <Mixnetwork> yes, i remmeber
18:48 <Ttech> lol
18:48  * Ttech has been hiding here
18:48 <Mixnetwork> now i have big prob
18:49 <Ttech> Building robots
18:49 <Mixnetwork> i had server version 0.30 installed  but i deinstalled it and want to have -0.2.8.2.1.
18:49 <Mixnetwork> i can get it installed
18:49 <Mixnetwork> on ubuntu
18:50 <Ttech> apt?
18:50 <Ttech> Whats hte issue
18:50 <Mixnetwork> depedecies failed
18:50 <Mixnetwork> with apt i get only version 2.17 or so
18:50 <Mixnetwork> not -0.2.8.2.1.
18:51 <Mixnetwork> people are sending me messages whats with my servers because all off them are off now :(/
18:51 <cusco> apt - debian - testing - Version: 0.2.8.2.1-9
18:52 <Mixnetwork> command not found
18:52  * cusco wasn't reading from the beginning
18:53 <cusco> sudo apt-get install armagetronad-dedicated
18:53 <Mixnetwork> armagetronad-dedicated: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5) but 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.5 is to be installed
18:53 <Mixnetwork>                           Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2-20070208) but 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
18:53 <Mixnetwork>                           Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.2-20070208) but 4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
18:53 <Mixnetwork>                           Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.6.27) but 2.6.24.dfsg-1ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
18:54 <Ttech> Mixnetwork,  err
18:54 <Ttech> Whats the error its going to install that
18:54 <Mixnetwork> ?
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18:55 <Mixnetwork> thats the error above
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18:58 <Mixnetwork> no help??
19:02  * wrtlprnft has no clue about the apt stuff
19:02 <hoax> get the dependencies :P
19:02 <hoax> & the the dependencies for those
19:03 <hoax> & those...
19:03 <hoax> & then some
19:06 <Mixnetwork> pfff
19:06 <cusco> Mixnetwork: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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19:18 <Ttech> wrtlprnft,  lol
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19:32 <zmanuel> I'm a bit afraid wrtl's color chat protection will get users of the famous instachat kicked in one go :)
19:33 <ct|kyle> how shall i answer this question:    _____ is perhaps Microsoft’s best attempt to date at creating a reliable operating system that is ideal for both business and home use.
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19:34 <ct|kyle> 98, 2000 or xp are the options
19:35 <Mixnetwork> could somebody help me get dedicated server installed version  0.2.8.2.1 on ubuntu? can get it work
19:35 <flex> tried the package manager?
19:35 <Mixnetwork> is none installed its a v-server
19:36 <ct|kyle> #svn
19:36 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
19:36 <z-man> kyle: 2000 is best for business use, xp best for home use.
19:36 <hoax> did you update ubuntu yet Mixnetwork
19:36 <Mixnetwork> yes i did
19:37 <ct|kyle> z-man: ya lol it is multiple choice.
19:38 <Mixnetwork> hmmm
19:40 <wrtlprnft> z-man: err, it has four color codes
19:40 <wrtlprnft> #g log(6)/log(2)
19:40 <armabot> wrtlprnft: log(6) / log(2) = 2.5849625
19:40 <wrtlprnft> that should still be fine
19:40 <z-man> And it is quite long
19:40 <z-man> Default chat spam settings are quite harsh :)
19:41  * z-man just got kicked at the second chat
19:41 <wrtlprnft> oh, i was talking about fortress policies
19:41 <wrtlprnft> i rarely play on other servers
19:41 <z-man> Mix: have you tried compiling from source? Works for me.
19:41 <wrtlprnft> #g log(1.5+4)/log(1.5)
19:41 <armabot> wrtlprnft: log(1.5 + 4) / log(1.5) = 4.20442612
19:42 <wrtlprnft> even worse. d'uh
19:42 <wrtlprnft> make an exception for that one string ;-D
19:43 <Mixnetwork> no, i don't know hoew to do that
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19:46 <z-man> Mixnetwork: is there a version available from the official ubuntu repositories? If yes, have you tried it?
19:47 <Mixnetwork> only 2.7
19:47 <Mixnetwork> i had 3.0 installed but
19:47 <z-man> Really? The client is version 0.2.8.2.1.
19:47 <Mixnetwork> i need server
19:48 <z-man> Well, then, have you tried our autopackage installer?
19:48 <Mixnetwork> no whre to get
19:48  * epsy wants to be sure he isn't doing a big mistake
19:48 <Mixnetwork> v
19:48 <Mixnetwork> The autopackage support code could not be installed.
19:48 <epsy> an opening quote is like two 6 and a closing one like two 9, right?
19:49 <Mixnetwork> The version of glib needs to be upgraded to version 2.0 or higher.
19:49 <Mixnetwork> these messages i get
19:49 <z-man> Is your server 64 bit?
19:49 <Mixnetwork> no
19:50 <z-man> Hmm, odd. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/armagetronad/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8.2.1.i686-generic-linux-gnu.package?download would be the link to the 0.2.8.2.1 installer.
19:51 <Mixnetwork> i have that one
19:51 <z-man> What may work better for you are the pre-0.2.8.3 alpha versions, they're built on ubuntu.
19:51 <epsy> ok, seems i'm not wrong :-) http://www.englishdiscourse.org/block.quotes.htm
19:52 <z-man> Minxnetwork: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/armagetronad/armagetronad-dedicated-0.2.8_alpha20080308.i486-generic-linux-gnu-c++6.package?modtime=1205010864&big_mirror=0
19:53 <Mixnetwork> get on all same messages
19:54 <Mixnetwork> The version of glib needs to be upgraded to version 2.0 or higher.
19:54 <Mixnetwork> The autopackage support code could not be installed.
19:54 <Mixnetwork> It can be manually downloaded and installed by running the
19:54 <Mixnetwork> installation script located in the downloaded archive.
19:59 <z-man> Mixnetwork: what does 'gcc -dumpmachine' say?
19:59 <Mixnetwork> lol, what taht :d
19:59 <Mixnetwork> whats that
19:59 <z-man> a command line :)
20:00 <Mixnetwork> i486-linux-gnu
20:00 <z-man> Hmm, and your ubuntu version is?
20:01 <Mixnetwork> how can i find out?
20:02 <Mixnetwork> MSK 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
20:02 <Mixnetwork> is also there
20:03 <Mixnetwork> 2.6.9-023stab046.2-enterprise
20:06 <z-man> What's that?
20:08 <luke-jr> Durka's a liar
20:09 <wrtlprnft> wow, what woudl we do without luke-jr's helpful and topic-related comments?
20:09 <luke-jr> :D
20:09 <luke-jr> Mixnetwork: cat /etc/*-release
20:09 <epsy> *B0rka
20:09 <epsy> a common typo.
20:09 <Mixnetwork> permission denied
20:10 <luke-jr> Mixnetwork: then be root
20:10 <Mixnetwork> i am root
20:10 <pippijn> Mixnetwork: cat /etc/issue
20:10 <Mixnetwork> Ubuntu 6.06.2 LTS \n \l
20:10 <Mixnetwork> hi pippijn
20:10 <pippijn> hi
20:11 <luke-jr> root doesn't get permission denied
20:11 <Mixnetwork> want to install server version 0.2.8.2.1 don't work
20:11 <Mixnetwork> my root does ;)
20:14 <Mixnetwork> pippijn we get version 3.0 to work why not the other version?
20:14 <Mixnetwork> got
20:14 <luke-jr> there is no version 3.0
20:15 <Mixnetwork> 0.3 than
20:19 <z-man> Well, HOW did you get 0.3 to work?
20:19 <Mixnetwork> with help of pippijn making an install
20:20 <Mixnetwork> get these errors while installing now
20:20 <Mixnetwork>  dpkg -i armagetronad-dedicated_0.2.8.2.1-4_i386.deb
20:20 <Mixnetwork> Selecting previously deselected package armagetronad-dedicated.
20:20 <Mixnetwork> (Reading database ... 144260 files and directories currently installed.)
20:20 <Mixnetwork> Unpacking armagetronad-dedicated (from armagetronad-dedicated_0.2.8.2.1-4_i386.deb) ...
20:20 <Mixnetwork> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of armagetronad-dedicated:
20:20 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad-dedicated depends on libc6 (>= 2.5-5); however:
20:20 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.5.
20:20 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad-dedicated depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2-20070208); however:
20:20 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libgcc1 on system is 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5.
20:20 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad-dedicated depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.2-20070208); however:
20:20 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libstdc++6 on system is 4.0.3-1ubuntu5.
20:20 <duudii> ...
20:20 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad-dedicated depends on libxml2 (>= 2.6.27); however:
20:20 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libxml2 on system is 2.6.24.dfsg-1ubuntu1.1.
20:20 <Mixnetwork> dpkg: error processing armagetronad-dedicated (--install):
20:20 <Mixnetwork>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
20:20 <Mixnetwork> Errors were encountered while processing:
20:20 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad-dedicated
20:21 <z-man> Well, stands to reason, the build was done with a later ubuntu version that is incompatible.
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20:24 <Mixnetwork> oh, well, Arma sucks really, installing on linux, with all independicies and so on.... I think I stop running my servers, have too much trouble there...
20:25 <z-man> The alpha package just worked fine on 6.06 which I have at work, but what do I know...
20:26 <Mixnetwork> lol
20:26 <Mixnetwork> argh
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20:39 <Mixnetwork> pippijn?
20:39 <Mixnetwork> could you help me again making an install from 0.2.8.2.1?
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20:45 <luke-jr> Mixnetwork: you're using an old Ubuntu version
20:45 <luke-jr> that's why it only includes an old Arma
20:46 <Mixnetwork> i know, but i cann't upgrade it its a v-server
20:55 <cusco> Mixnetwork: donwloa the source and compile it its not that bad
20:55 <cusco> or download a ubuntu package from getdeb.net
21:01 <Mixnetwork> i downloaded the spurce but don't know how to do that :( i am not familiar with that
21:01 <Mixnetwork> source
21:03 <cusco> sudo apt-get build-dep armagetronad
21:04 <cusco> this will install dependencies
21:04 <cusco> wait
21:04 <cusco> before that
21:04 <cusco> have you tried installink this package?
21:04 <cusco> http://www.getdeb.net/download.php?release=764&fpos=0
21:05 <Mixnetwork> I try now
21:07 <luke-jr> cusco: someone should upload that
21:09 <Mixnetwork> dpkg -i armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb
21:09 <Mixnetwork> Selecting previously deselected package armagetronad.
21:09 <Mixnetwork> (Reading database ... 144260 files and directories currently installed.)
21:09 <Mixnetwork> Unpacking armagetronad (from armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb) ...
21:09 <Mixnetwork> dpkg: error processing armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb (--install):
21:09 <Mixnetwork>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/games/armagetronad/resource/included/AATeam/map-0.2.8.0_rc4.dtd', which is also in package armagetronad-common
21:09 <Mixnetwork> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
21:09 <Mixnetwork> Errors were encountered while processing:
21:09 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb
21:09 <wrtlprnft> get rid of armagetronad-common?
21:10 <Mixnetwork> how
21:17 <Ttech> Mixnetwork,  apt-get remve
21:18 <Mixnetwork>  apt-get remove
21:18 <Mixnetwork> Reading package lists... Done
21:18 <Mixnetwork> Building dependency tree... Done
21:18 <Mixnetwork> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 13 not upgraded.
21:21 <cusco> dpkg -P armagetron-common
21:21 <cusco> to purge conf files
21:21 <Mixnetwork> ok, worked
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8385 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (6 files in 5 dirs):
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: author: Manuel Moos
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: Implemented wrtl's suggestion for color code penalty to spam.
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: To compensate a bit, the default spam settings are now a abit nicer, and
21:21 <armabot> armagetronad: there are at least three warnings (configurable) before you get kicked by spam.
21:22 <Mixnetwork> still cann't install
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21:22 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8386 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Implemented wrtl's suggestion of reduced spam level for /team messages, and also reducing the time during which you cannot say the same thing twice by the same factor.
21:22 <cusco> what's the error this time?
21:23 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8387 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. NEWS): Manuel Moos: Documented the last two changes so people know what wrtl's suggestions actually were :)
21:23 <Mixnetwork> dpkg -i armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb
21:23 <Mixnetwork> (Reading database ... 144222 files and directories currently installed.)
21:23 <Mixnetwork> Unpacking armagetronad (from armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb) ...
21:23 <Mixnetwork> dpkg: error processing armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb (--install):
21:23 <Mixnetwork>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/games/armagetronad/resource/included/AATeam/map-0.2.8.0_rc4.dtd', which is also in package armagetronad-common
21:23 <Mixnetwork> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
21:23 <Mixnetwork> Errors were encountered while processing:
21:23 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb
21:23 <Mixnetwork> hmm i delete that manually
21:24 <cusco> rm -r /usr/share/games/armagetronad
21:25 <Mixnetwork> did not work
21:25 <cusco> how come
21:25 <Mixnetwork> delete in manually already
21:25 <Mixnetwork> lol
21:25 <Mixnetwork> but install dows not work still
21:25 <Mixnetwork> same message
21:26 <luke-jr> Mixnetwork: if you were using aptitude instead of apt-get, it would have taken care of the -common for you
21:26 <cusco> he's not ussing niehter
21:26 <Mixnetwork> hmmm
21:26 <cusco> he is using dpkg
21:26 <Mixnetwork> jepp
21:26 <luke-jr> that's… dumb :þ
21:26 <cusco> no?
21:26 <cusco> he downloaded the file manually
21:26 <luke-jr> so?
21:26 <cusco> lol
21:26 <luke-jr> aptitude still works fine
21:26 <cusco> might...
21:27 <luke-jr> aptitude purge armagetronad-common
21:27 <luke-jr> Mixnetwork: ^^
21:27 <luke-jr> but
21:27 <luke-jr> read what it says it is going to do
21:27 <luke-jr> if it says it's going to remove a bunch of stuff you want, say no
21:28 <Mixnetwork> nope
21:28 <Mixnetwork> he di only deinstall common
21:28 <Mixnetwork> dpkg -i armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb
21:28 <Mixnetwork> (Reading database ... 144135 files and directories currently installed.)
21:28 <Mixnetwork> Unpacking armagetronad (from armagetronad_0.2.8.2.1-0~getdeb1_i386.deb) ...
21:28 <Mixnetwork> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of armagetronad:
21:28 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1); however:
21:28 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.5.
21:28 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.2); however:
21:28 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libgcc1 on system is 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libgl1-mesa | libgl1; however:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Package libgl1-mesa is not installed.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Package libgl1 is not installed.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libglu1-mesa | libglu1; however:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Package libglu1-mesa is not installed.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Package libglu1 is not installed.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4); however:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libpng12-0 on system is 1.2.8rel-5ubuntu0.3.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libsdl-image1.2 (>= 1.2.5); however:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libsdl-image1.2 on system is 1.2.4-1.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libsdl1.2debian on system is 1.2.9-0.0ubuntu2.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.2); however:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libstdc++6 on system is 4.0.3-1ubuntu5.
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad depends on libxml2 (>= 2.6.27); however:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>   Version of libxml2 on system is 2.6.24.dfsg-1ubuntu1.1.
21:29 <Mixnetwork> dpkg: error processing armagetronad (--install):
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
21:29 <Mixnetwork> Errors were encountered while processing:
21:29 <Mixnetwork>  armagetronad
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21:30 <Bougo> SPAM
21:30 <cusco> htats ok not interrupting anyone
21:30 <Bougo> I know
21:30 -!- Bougo is now known as MrBougo
21:30 <MrBougo> I just don't like idling :p
21:30 <cusco> Mixnetwork: sorry perhaphs you oughta compile it instead :P
21:30 <Ttech> Mixnetwork, pastebin?
21:31 <Monkey_arma> latest version is 0.2.8.2.1..damn so many releases i just cant keep up
21:31 <Mixnetwork> pastbin??
21:31 <hoax> monkey wtf are you running then?
21:31 <cusco> Mixnetwork: you would have to: apt-get build-dep armagetronad-dedicated
21:31 <MrBougo> futurebin is better
21:31 <cusco> to install the building dependencies
21:31  * Monkey_arma is making a crack at the very long release time for stable versions
21:32 <cusco> then download the source
21:32 <Mixnetwork> E: Unable to find a source package for armagetronad-dedicated
21:32 <Monkey_arma> on  a serious note it may be a good idea to release a stable version more often
21:32 <cusco> hmm then you will need to install dependencies manually one by one I guess
21:33 <cusco> after you get the source
21:33 <cusco> change into its dir
21:33 <Mixnetwork> you know how to mak an install from tar.gz source
21:33 <cusco> and run: ./configure
21:33 <hoax> heh i found 2.5 in an old folder the other day ;>
21:33 <Monkey_arma> the debian releases are even older
21:33 <Monkey_arma> no surprise there tho
21:33 <cusco> Mixnetwork: the same way you install the other sourced stuff
21:33 <cusco> Monkey_arma: that is wrong
21:33 <Monkey_arma> well they were about 2.7
21:33 <Monkey_arma> when i last used them
21:33 <cusco> Version: 0.2.8.2.1-9
21:33 <cusco> Replaces: armagetron
21:33 <Mixnetwork> lol, thats the point i don#t know how to do that
21:34 <Monkey_arma> ahem....
21:34 <Monkey_arma> Package: armagetron
21:34 <Monkey_arma> State: not installed
21:34 <Monkey_arma> Version: 0.2.7.0-1.1
21:35 <Monkey_arma> thank you
21:35 <cusco> im using debian testing
21:35 <Monkey_arma> i did use the word "stable" :)
21:35 <cusco> ahw
21:36 <cusco> Mixnetwork: sudo -s; cd /usr/src/; wget http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/armagetronad/armagetronad-0.2.8.2.1.src.tar.bz2
21:36 <Monkey_arma> when i looked at sid a while ago it was also the same version as sarge
21:36 <cusco> Mixnetwork:  tar jxvf armagetronad-0.2.8.2.1.src.tar.bz2; cd armagetronad-0.2.8.2.1
21:37 <cusco> Mixnetwork: then run ./configure
21:37 <Mixnetwork> donr
21:37 <Mixnetwork> done
21:37 <Mixnetwork> configure: error: You need the library SDL to compile Armagetron. Read the file doc/install_linux.html.
21:37 <cusco> there
21:37 <cusco> you know now that you need libsdl
21:38 <cusco> apt-cache search libsdl
21:38 <Monkey_arma> there are 3 files i think that you need
21:38 <wrtlprnft> zmanuel: on
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21:38 <cusco> Monkey_arma: then apt-get install package-name
21:39 <wrtlprnft> zmanuel: one problem: things like 00xffff7fx<color code> now get counted twice, which may be a little harsch
21:39 <cusco> then: ./configure
21:39 <cusco> again
21:39 <wrtlprnft> *harsh
21:40 <MrBougo> oh wow
21:40 <MrBougo> I suck at arma
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21:41 <Mixnetwork> hmmm
21:41 <wrtlprnft> zmanuel: but don't get me wrong, I think it's going to work great. Thanks for implementing it
21:42 <cusco> Mixnetwork: getting there?
21:42 <Mixnetwork> nope
21:43 <Mixnetwork> don't know how to go further
21:43 <cusco> did it configure OK?
21:43 <cusco> you only want the server right? I dunno if there is some configure flag to use the server only
21:44 <cusco> is there luke-jr ?
21:44 <Mixnetwork> error
21:44 <Mixnetwork> only server yes
21:44 <cusco> what error?
21:44 <luke-jr> cusco: uh, the only way to get a server is to disable the client
21:44 <Mixnetwork> don't hav a client
21:44 <cusco> yet
21:44 <cusco> so there is some flag --use-client=no
21:45 <cusco> or something
21:46 <Mixnetwork> no
21:46 <Mixnetwork> still get configure: error: You need the library SDL to compile Armagetron.
21:47 <cusco> ok
21:47 <Monkey_arma> mixnetwork you need about 3 libs
21:47 <Monkey_arma> * i think *
21:47 <cusco> Mixnetwork: Im not using ubuntu I dunno what are the package names of the libs that you need
21:47 <cusco> apt-cache search libsdl
21:47 <cusco> will list you some packages
21:48 <cusco> install the one that is the library SDL (images)
21:49 <Mixnetwork> apt-cache search libsdl
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-image1.2 - image loading library for Simple DirectMedia Layer 1.2
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-image1.2-dev - development files for SDL 1.2 image loading libray
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-mixer1.2 - mixer library for Simple DirectMedia Layer 1.2
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21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-mixer1.2-dev - development files for SDL1.2 mixer library
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-ttf2.0-0 - ttf library for Simple DirectMedia Layer with FreeType 2 support
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-ttf2.0-dev - development files for SDL ttf library (version 2.0)
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2-dev - Simple DirectMedia Layer development files
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2debian - Simple DirectMedia Layer
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2debian-all - Simple DirectMedia Layer (with all available options)
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2debian-alsa - Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and ALSA options)
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2debian-esd - Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and esound options)
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2debian-oss - Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and OSS options)
21:49 <Mixnetwork> lgeneral - A "Panzer General" - like game
21:49 <Mixnetwork> gstreamer0.8-sdl - SDL videosink plugin for GStreamer
21:49 <cusco> sudo apt-get install libsdl-image1.2-dev
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-console - console that can be added to any SDL application
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-console-dev - development files for libsdl-console
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-erlang - Erlang bindings to the Simple Direct Media Library
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-gfx1.2-4 - drawing and graphical effects extension for SDL
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-gfx1.2-dev - development files for SDL_gfx
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-net1.2 - network library for Simple DirectMedia Layer
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-net1.2-dev - Development files for SDL network library
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-ocaml - OCaml bindings for SDL - runtime files
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-ocaml-dev - OCaml bindings for SDL - development files
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-perl - SDL bindings for the Perl language
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-ruby1.8 - Ruby/SDL interface for Ruby
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-sge-dev - development files for libsdl-sge
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-sgec2 - extension of graphic functions for the SDL multimedia library
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21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-sound1.2 - Decoder of several sound file formats for SDL
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-sound1.2-dev - Development files for SDL_sound
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-stretch-0-2 - Stretch functions for Simple DirectMedia Layer
21:49 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-stretch-dev - Development files for SDL_stretch library
21:50 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-ttf1.2 - TrueType font library for Simple DirectMedia Layer
21:50 <Mixnetwork> libsdl-ttf1.2-dev - development files for libsdl-ttf1.2
21:50 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2debian-arts - Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and aRts options)
21:50 <cusco> zzzzzzz
21:50 <Mixnetwork> libsdl1.2debian-nas - Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and NAS options)
21:50 <Mixnetwork> armagetronad: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1) but 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.5 is to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.2) but 1:4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libgl1-mesa but it is not going to be installed or
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                          libgl1
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libglu1-mesa but it is not going to be installed or
21:50 <cusco> im freaking out
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                          libglu1
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4) but 1.2.8rel-5ubuntu0.3 is to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libsdl-image1.2 (>= 1.2.5) but 1.2.4-1 is to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but 1.2.9-0.0ubuntu2 is to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.2) but 4.0.3-1ubuntu5 is to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                 Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.6.27) but 2.6.24.dfsg-1ubuntu1.1 is to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>   libsdl-image1.2-dev: Depends: libsdl1.2-dev (>= 1.2.2-3.3) but it is not going to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                        Depends: libjpeg62-dev but it is not going to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                        Depends: libpng12-dev but it is not going to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork>                        Depends: libtiff4-dev but it is not going to be installed
21:50 <Mixnetwork> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
21:50 <cusco> Mixnetwork: sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
21:50 <Mixnetwork> better to use teamviewer ;)
21:50 <Monkey_arma> ok i will tell you what to Mixnetwork
21:50 <cusco> Mixnetwork: sudo apt-get install -f
21:51 <Monkey_arma> just install all of these
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libxml2-dev
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libsdl1.2-dev
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libsdl-image1.2-dev
21:51 <Monkey_arma> xlibmesa-gl-dev
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libc6
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libgcc1
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libglu1-xorg | libglu1
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libjpeg62
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libsdl-image1.2
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libsdl1.2debian
21:51 <Monkey_arma> libstdc++6
21:51 <Monkey_arma> xlibmesa-gl | libgl1
21:51 <Monkey_arma> you cant go wrong
21:51 <cusco> he is using ubuntu
21:51 <Mixnetwork> i did this now sudo apt-get install -f
21:51 <cusco> yes that is good
21:51 <cusco> dont paste stuff here
21:51 <Mixnetwork> ok
21:51 <cusco> paste it on http://rafb.net/paste
21:52 <Mixnetwork> yep
21:52 <cusco> and return us the URL
21:52 <Monkey_arma> oh ye because this channel is so full of useful talk
21:52 <Monkey_arma> :)
21:52 <Mixnetwork> and nmow?
21:52 <Mixnetwork> now?
21:52 <cusco> 20:56:12 < cusco> and return us the URL
21:52 <Mixnetwork> what must i do now?
21:53 <cusco> dude
21:53 <cusco> your system is out of date!
21:53 <cusco> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
21:54 <cusco> you cannot compile it because you cannot install the needed libs (unless you compile them too)
21:54 <cusco> try #ubuntu ask them how to install the armagetronad package
21:54 <Mixnetwork> done
21:54 <cusco> sudo apt-get install libsdl-image1.2-dev
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21:55 <Mixnetwork> done
21:55 <cusco> did it work?
21:55 <Mixnetwork> yepp
21:55 <cusco> awh!
21:55 <cusco> not everything is lost
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21:55 <cusco> what would happen if you... sudo apt-get install armagetronad
21:55 <cusco> ?
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21:56 <Monkey_arma> its called armagetron
21:56 <Monkey_arma> not ad
21:56 <cusco> NO
21:56 <Mixnetwork> well ./configure workes now
21:56 <cusco> then don't install it
21:56 <cusco> ok
21:56 <cusco> till the end?
21:56 <Mixnetwork> yep
21:57 <cusco> make && make install
21:57 <flex> you silly monkeyjunky
21:57 <Monkey_arma> you silly flexywexy
21:57 <flex> £>
21:57 <Monkey_arma> #insult flex
21:57 <armabot> flex - You are nothing but a motley-mind ooze of pointy-nosed eel.
21:57 <flex> #kiss Monkey_arma
21:58 <cusco> hehe
21:58 <Monkey_arma> oO
21:58 <flex> someone should add #kiss
21:58 <flex> Monkey_arma #arma.fff
21:58 <Monkey_arma> ok
21:59 <Mixnetwork> done
21:59 <Mixnetwork> and now?
22:00 <flex> death by.... ooohh a dollar!
22:01 <Mixnetwork> cusco
22:01 <Mixnetwork> ?
22:09 <Mixnetwork> how to install now?
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22:09 <zmanuel> Mixnetwork: "make install" ?
22:09 <Mixnetwork> already done
22:09 <zmanuel> then it is installed.
22:10 <Mixnetwork> oh ok
22:10 <Mixnetwork> thx
22:10 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
22:11 <Mixnetwork> hmm
22:11 <Mixnetwork> armagetronad-dedicated: command not found
22:12 <z-man> Wait, did you pass '--disable-glout' to configure?
22:12 <Mixnetwork> ??
22:13 <wrtlprnft> z-man: is there any pattern behind z-man and zmanuel? Just wondering
22:17 <flex> i know!
22:17 <flex> the z-man part
22:21 <Mixnetwork> shit installed wrong one i think
22:21 <Mixnetwork> was the client
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22:28 <z-man> Mixnetwork: know how to fix it yourself?
22:29 <cusco> Mixnetwork: apt-cache search armagetron server
22:29 <cusco> ah nevermind
22:29 <cusco> asljf
22:29 <Mixnetwork> now sry don't know
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22:30 <cusco> sorry I never run the server, I dunno
22:30 <Mixnetwork> never mind, thx anyway for your help
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22:31 <Mixnetwork> i try to install 0.3 again
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22:32 <Mixnetwork> lol
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22:32 <Mixnetwork> that one runs
22:32 <Mixnetwork> strange
22:33 <flex> pippijn, here?
22:34 <pippijn> yes
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22:34 <flex> got a question :)
22:34 <pippijn> then ask
22:35 <flex> experiencing some weird stuff with arma, stuttering every second, even on lan.. using a 32bit system, i then tried 64bit and the stuttering changed from major freezing but still stable, just freezing afew seconds
22:36 <flex> i then removed the page-store thingy that uses hard drive ram, and it solved the problem
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22:36 <flex> the issue doesn't accure when the os is freshly installed
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22:36 <flex> what do you think is causing all this?
22:36  * Ttech is cryping
22:36 <Ttech> :/
22:36 <flex> onboard graphics as i should mention too
22:36 <pippijn> is it windows?
22:36 <flex> yes
22:36 <pippijn> hrm
22:37 <pippijn> first of all you should know that I never really used windows
22:37 <flex> i thought it was a kernel memory error or something
22:37 <flex> it could be an os related, but i don't play on linux alot to experience it
22:37 <Monkey_arma> flex i have had some random stuttering too
22:37 <flex> Monkey_arma, this stuttering is like every second
22:38 <z-man> Mixnetwork: to build and install the server, you do the same thing you did to install the client from source, but instead of plain "./configure", you call "./configure --disable-glout".
22:38 <flex> like freeze(0.5second) normal freeze(0.5second)
22:38 <flex> ect
22:38 <Monkey_arma> when i had stuttering it was almost every second
22:38 <z-man> Mixnetwork: you need to call "make clean" if you want to build in the same directory.
22:38 <flex> how did yours fix?
22:38 <flex> pippijn, it's internal graphics and also it uses ram for it's gpu ram
22:39 <Mixnetwork> hmm i just had the old dir and did a mak install from there server is running now
22:39 <pippijn> it's unlikely due to the graphics
22:39 <flex> the weird thing is, it kind of solved the problem on the 32bit system when i disabled the vertual ram (on hd)
22:39 <flex> and solved it completely on the 64bit
22:39 <flex> as i'm using an amd 64bit, i thought i'd try it atleast
22:40 <flex> well not completely, as i kind of get it when i switch between arma and something else
22:40 <flex> pippijn, so what would be your guess?
22:41 <pippijn> have you checked the VM stats in the task manager?
22:41 <flex> nothing out of the ordinary, apart from "page fault" going crazy
22:42 <wrtlprnft> epsy: i'm gonna be away till sunday, in the unlikely event that café should go down completely feel free to start a new one on rain's account
22:42 <flex> but i think that's just normal
22:42 <epsy> wrtlprnft, cmd?
22:42 <pippijn> flex: I don't know..
22:42 <pippijn> sorry
22:42 <flex> np, i'm totally lost to what it could be too
22:43 <flex> but if you had to guess, what would yours be?
22:43 <pippijn> new OS fixes it?
22:44 <flex> i'm kind of used to windows.. there's no need for me to switch to linux.. also my sound card isn't supported on linux :p
22:44 <flex> i try it now and then anyway, feels some how weird when i play arma on it :p
22:44 <pippijn> ;-)
22:45 <flex> here's something else
22:45 <flex> see the kernel memory
22:45 <flex> it basically jumps the same time the stutter happens
22:45 <flex> but when it settles down, the game doesn't stutter
22:45 <pippijn> jumps?
22:45 <pippijn> like.. memory usage?
22:46 <flex> like it zigzags accordingly to the game stutter.. no, not memory usage, "kernel time"
22:47 <flex> i think
22:47 <pippijn> ah
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22:47 <pippijn> hm
22:47 <flex> when it settles down the game doesn't stutter, so i'm quite sure it's something to do with it
22:47 <pippijn> it is possibly a kernel bug introduced by a service pack
22:50 <flex> after this FFF tourny i think i'll just move over to linux :p
22:50 <flex> wanna try opensuse
22:50 <pippijn> :-)
22:51 <flex> what you using?
22:51 <pippijn> debian gnu/linux
22:51 <flex> any specific reason?
22:52 <pippijn> hm
22:54 <pippijn> high configurability
22:54 <pippijn> no magic tools that start overwriting manual configuration
22:54 <pippijn> little magic overall
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23:11 <wrtlprnft> epsy: no cmd, just copy the config files to make a new, temporary server
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23:12 <wrtlprnft> epsy: i hope it won't happen. cya
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23:39 <K-Yo> nice work on voting stuff on bugfarm
23:40 <Monkey_arma> flex, i HIGHLY recommend using ubuntu or kubuntu
23:41 <flex> fuck that
23:42 <flex> ubuntu is gay na kubuntu is boring :p
23:42  * K-Yo uses ubuntu
23:43 <flex> how did you solve your stuttering Monkey_arma by the way..
23:43 <Monkey_arma> well my stuttering just solved itselff
23:43 <flex> lucky for you then
23:43 <Monkey_arma> fuck knows is the answer :)
23:43 <flex> it was probably a background cpu usage
23:43 <flex> nothing like mine i assume
23:45 <Monkey_arma> is it every time u play?
23:45 <flex> yes
23:45 <flex> or "
23:45 <flex> 'was'
23:45 <Monkey_arma> have you tried reinstalling or using a different version?
23:46 <flex> of the game? yes. of the os? yes, i'm using a 64bit version of windows now and now same thing but no stuttering
23:46 <flex> just major freezes
23:46 <flex> same shit on how it started in the first place..
23:46 <flex> randomly starts, fucks the whole system up as well
23:46 <flex> not just the game
23:46 <Monkey_arma> why dont u like the ubuntus?
23:47 <flex> it's fine, just don't really like it
23:47 <flex> nothing against it actually
23:47 <flex> i'm gona try opensuse and see if i like it :p
23:47 <Monkey_arma> :|
23:47 <Monkey_arma> i have issues with the "middle distros"
23:47 <flex> i have issues with sound drivers..
23:48 <Monkey_arma> flex, violence towards computers sometimes helps
23:49  * K-Yo agrees
23:49 <flex> i have a 7.1 system, and i paid good cash for it.. i'm not really up for moving os for something that's going to brake it
23:49 <K-Yo> as long as your computer is not brand new :P
23:50 <Monkey_arma> #kill flex's computer
23:50 <armabot> flex's computer will die on Mon Mar 24 23:54:55 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by Monkey_arma
23:51 <flex> creative x-fi elite pro and creative gigaworks
23:51 <flex> linux turks that to a stereo system
23:51 <flex> turns^
23:51 <Monkey_arma> ive got intel builtin sound so linux cant really fuck it up
23:52 <Monkey_arma> because it is already fucked up...
23:53 <flex> #kill flex
23:53 <armabot> flex will die on Mon Mar 24 23:57:39 2008 due to being stabbed in the eye by flex
23:53 <flex> sweet
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23:56  * K-Yo needs a teammate on |x|.team.sumo.server
23:57  * K-Yo found one
23:58 <Monkey_arma> i think we should have a game of fort a bit later
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