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Log from 2008-03-19:
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00:17 <epsy> wrtlprnft, shuffling up still works for everyone
00:40 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/c4ca48e3f55825092d55c8e6ddc03412.txt
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00:58 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8346 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/: Manuel Moos: Empty merge to keep the peace between svn and bzr.
00:58 <z-man> Should be the last of this kind for now.
01:03 <armabot> armagetronad: nemostultae * r8347 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/MacOS/Armagetron Advanced.xcodeproj/project.pbxproj:
01:03 <armabot> armagetronad: * Removed rDisplayList.h from Copy Headers task
01:03 <armabot> armagetronad: * Moved tColor.cpp to tools/ subgroup
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01:39 <pippijn> z-man: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/1151661041ed1442c4cede7972c340d1.txt
01:45 <pippijn> z-man: coroutines in C++ :-)
01:51 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8348 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/sync.sh): Manuel Moos: Better error recovery: start again from known good backed up branch state instead of the broken branch states of the last failed operation.
01:52 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8349 /tools/bzr/trunk/ (. synctools/bzr-merge.sh synctools/sync.sh): Manuel Moos: Better conflict and criss-cross merging support through weave based merging.
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03:01 <pippijn> good night
03:02 <Monkey_arma> cu
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05:29 <luke-jr> http://txrx.dyndns.org/lolcat2161333.jpg
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08:19 <flex> can I live now?
08:19 <flex> oops
08:19 <flex> where am i?
08:20 <flex> poops
08:42 <flex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGilx2SgCFA
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09:04 <wrtlprnft> ä
09:04 <wrtlprnft> #later tell epsy* yeah, too many people complained :-(
09:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
09:07 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: doesn't something similar exist in python?
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09:26 <z-man> pippijn: cool, how does it handle the stack?
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11:01 <wrtlprnft> #ls novocaine
11:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: timed out
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12:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8350 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eVoter.cpp: Fixed one-off error with kick vote to suspend vote transmogrification, converted epsy's TABS to spaces.
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12:25 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: yes
12:26 <pippijn> z-man: I use ucontext
12:26 <pippijn> z-man: ucontext provides an api where I can simply malloc a stack and let ucontext do the rest
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13:15 <wrtlprnft> torres: int foo(va_list ap) {function *f = va_arg(ap, function *); for(int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) f->suspend(i); return -1;} int main(function f(foo); for(int i = 0; i < 20; ++i) std::cout << f(2); }
13:15 <torres> missing template arguments before '*' token
13:16 <wrtlprnft> what's the 2 in f(2), btw, pippijn
13:17 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: the parameter passed
13:17 <pippijn> torres doesn't have it
13:18 <pippijn> but it would be trivial to add if you want to play with it
13:18 <wrtlprnft> http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/c4ca48e3f55825092d55c8e6ddc03412.txt
13:18 <wrtlprnft> whate does it use the parameter?
13:18 <pippijn> it doesn't
13:18 <pippijn> but it could
13:18 <pippijn> by doing int i = va_arg (ap, int);
13:18 <wrtlprnft> s/whate/where/
13:18 <wrtlprnft> ah
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13:34 <pippijn> torres: int count (va_list ap) { coroutine *f = va_arg (ap, coroutine *); int num = va_arg (ap, int); while (num++ <= 10) f->yield (num); f->yield (-1); return 0; } int main () { coroutine f (count); int ret; while ((ret = f (4)) != -1) cout << ret << ' '; return 0; }
13:34 <torres> 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
13:34 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: now it uses the parameter
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13:35 <pippijn> torres: int count (va_list ap) { coroutine *f = va_arg (ap, coroutine *); int num = va_arg (ap, int); int s = 2 * num; while (num <= s) f->yield (num); f->yield (-1); return 0; } int main () { coroutine f (count); int ret; while ((ret = f (4)) != -1) cout << ret << ' '; return 0; }
13:35 <torres> Timeout: /t
13:35 <pippijn> torres: int count (va_list ap) { coroutine *f = va_arg (ap, coroutine *); int num = va_arg (ap, int); int s = 2 * num; while (num <= s) f->yield (num++); f->yield (-1); return 0; } int main () { coroutine f (count); int ret; while ((ret = f (4)) != -1) cout << ret << ' '; return 0; }
13:35 <torres> 4 5 6 7 8
13:36 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: this returns the numbers between n and 2n including the boundaries
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13:47 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: crazy stuff…
13:53 <pippijn> it's snowing!
13:53 <pippijn> :-D
14:17 <epsy> #date
14:17 <armabot> I was just gonna say, eight o'clock?
14:17 * epsy slaps armabot
14:17 <epsy> #time
14:17 <armabot> epsy: 02:52 PM, March 19, 2008
14:18 <epsy> O_o
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14:45 <flex> #pinh
14:45 <flex> #ping
14:45 <armabot> pong
14:46 <Stewie-arma> poing
14:46 <Stewie-arma> woops
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14:47 <eddiefantastic> #date
14:47 <armabot> I was just gonna say, eight o'clock?
14:47 <eddiefantastic> #help date
14:47 <armabot> eddiefantastic: (date <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "echo I was just gonna say, eight o'clock?".
14:47 <z-wt> heh
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14:50 <wrtlprnft> epsy: fixed my server's clock
14:50 <wrtlprnft> was running quite a bit early
14:51 <epsy> wrtlprnft, that was all the sliding's cause?
14:51 <wrtlprnft> err, this is another server
14:51 <wrtlprnft> and no
14:52 <epsy> oh
14:52 <epsy> lol
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17:51 <K-Yo> #svn
17:51 <armabot> svn co https://armagetronad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/armagetronad/armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad <dirname>(more information: http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php/Working_with_SVN)
18:01 <K-Yo> when I get all the svn stuff in my directory
18:01 <K-Yo> I have to run ./bootstrap.sh right?
18:02 <K-Yo> Here is what it says... I think I have to install something but I don't remember what:
18:02 <K-Yo> Running aclocal...
18:02 <K-Yo> ./bootstrap.sh: 15: aclocal: not found
18:04 <eddiefantastic> K-Yo: apt-get install automake
18:04 <K-Yo> thanks ;)
18:05 <eddiefantastic> sudo apt-get install build-essential automake subversion libboost-dev libxml2-dev libsdl-image1.2-dev libsdl-mixer1.2-dev ftgl-dev libglew-dev bison pkg-config
18:05 <eddiefantastic> that's all the deps for a clean ubuntu install
18:05 <K-Yo> that are main compiling stuff?
18:05 <K-Yo> ok
18:05 <K-Yo> all in one will be faster :P
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18:19 <epsy> but...who is <email address hidden> ? :þ
18:20 <epsy> oh
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19:09 <z-man> Yep, 0.2.8.2.1 is affected.
19:09 <wrtlprnft> :-(
19:09 <wrtlprnft> does it send anything usable?
19:09 <z-man> The ID of the advanced vote items is not read from the server message.
19:10 <z-man> Yeah, it sends the vote result just fine, only with a wrong ID.
19:10 <z-man> it slipped testing beacuse it doesn't do anything wrong in typical testing scenarios.
19:12 <z-man> A chat vote interface would be easier than having the server second guess the client's response, I think.
19:12 <z-man> something like
19:13 <wrtlprnft> tell the user every round to /approve or /reject the vote
19:13 <z-man> server: new vote item "suspend Z-Man, say "/approve 54" if you agree and "/reject 54" if you disagree.
19:13 <epsy> what if there's more than one vote?
19:13 <epsy> :)
19:13 <wrtlprnft> z-man: maybe
19:13 <z-man> or "/vote approve/reject"
19:13 <wrtlprnft> z-man: maybe send the first vote regularily and all others as chat votes?
19:14 <z-man> Well, the wrong ID on the client side also means that the client has no clue when a vote has timed out.
19:14 <z-man> It's supposed to get informed about that.
19:14 <wrtlprnft> goddamnit.
19:15 <z-man> So even if only one advanced vote is active on the server, many of them may be lingering on the client.
19:15 <wrtlprnft> eventually the user will get tired of seeing the message each round and just vote, though
19:15 <z-man> epsy: AI names still are blank in the score table in network games.
19:16 <wrtlprnft> so it would be possible in theory. Whether it would be worth it is another question, of course
19:17 <z-man> Well, it would be only for a short transition period.
19:17 <z-man> We should at least count the number of clients that do really support the new vote types and only let them count so votes have a chance of getting through.
19:18 <wrtlprnft> you know very well that half of our users will just complain how much more laggy|slow|sucky|whatever the new release is and refuse to upgrade for half a year
19:18 <wrtlprnft> *how much <something> they think it is
19:19 <wrtlprnft> *how much <something> they imagine it to be
19:19 <epsy> z-man, does client know if a player is an ai or not?
19:20 <wrtlprnft> it knows that its ID is 0.
19:20 <z-man> Yeah, and giving them a chat interface will let them stick to the old version even longer :)
19:20 <epsy> give it to everyone?
19:20 <z-man> 0.2.8.3 won't need it.
19:21 <epsy> voting instants could make their way
19:21 <z-man> With pre-filled correct vote ID?
19:21 <epsy> hmm
19:22 <epsy> well you could make it harsh to <0.2.8.3 users, so they wont ever want to keep using that at all :)
19:22 <z-man> Of course, if only one vote is active, the ID could be left out
19:22 <wrtlprnft> z-man: make sure votes have IDs like 42553 or 37610 or 44061
19:22 <epsy> exactly
19:22 <wrtlprnft> or require them to enter the md5sum of the ID
19:22 <z-man> And require the user to hand in three signed copies of the vote :)
19:23 <epsy> also, prefix them with a ¦ and suffix then with ÷
19:23 <epsy> them*
19:23 <wrtlprnft> bbl, supper
19:24 <flex> supper for weaks
19:26 <flex> actually, ever thought of adding a "none decided" or "don't care" to the vote choice? so allowing a vote to expire rather then just sit there and wait for people to vote after afew rounds..
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19:32 <epsy> screw that X_x
19:48 <wrtlprnft> flex: just vote against, there's no difference between doing that and letting it expire
19:48 <wrtlprnft> except that it's over sooner if you vote against
19:51 <z-man> Gaa, who left lots of breakpoint calls all over the place?
19:51 * z-man suspects epsy
19:51 * wrtlprnft gently points z-man to svn praise
19:51 <wrtlprnft> err, blame
19:52 * z-man knows, but wanted to supect epsy anyway :)
19:52 <z-man> great, svn blames bazaarmagetron
19:53 * Stewie-arma suspects it was, THE GOPHER!
19:53 <wrtlprnft> svn log -r <rev>?
19:53 <Stewie-arma> erp I mean wtrl
19:53 <wrtlprnft> note that epsy's log messages look the same as yours for some reason
19:53 <z-man> oops, bzr blames me?
19:54 * z-man blames the back-and-forth merging of last night
19:55 <wrtlprnft> as i said, epsy's commits carry your name
19:55 <wrtlprnft> so it had to blame you as only you and epsy actively commit to the bzr branch
19:55 <epsy> they got comitted times didn't they
19:55 <epsy> 2*
19:56 <epsy> so..back on web auth..
19:56 <z-man> epsy: yeah, that was some messup of the syncing script.
19:58 <epsy> #ping
19:58 <armabot> pong
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20:01 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8351 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/engine/eVoter.cpp:
20:01 <armabot> armagetronad: Only clients really supporting the new votes get them now, and only they count for the totals.
20:01 <armabot> armagetronad: Undesired side effect so far: MIN_VOTERS is not taken into account properly, that still uses the total number of voters.
20:02 <epsy> meh..
20:03 <wrtlprnft> anyways, i disabled automatic kick poll to suspend poll conversion
20:03 <wrtlprnft> on café, that is
20:03 <wrtlprnft> polls rarely get accepted because few people can vote
20:03 <epsy> i meant meh @ http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~armagetronad-dev/armagetronad/0.2.8-armagetronad-work/revision/770
20:03 <MrBougo> because few people can vote
20:03 <MrBougo> how so?
20:04 <MrBougo> arma has the best poll vote system i've seen on a game
20:04 <MrBougo> spams you :p
20:04 <MrBougo> did it change since 0.2.8.2?
20:04 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8352 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/src/tools/tString.cpp: Removing annoying debug breakpoints.
20:04 <wrtlprnft> MrBougo: because the new suspend votes don't work properly with old clients
20:04 <MrBougo> aw
20:04 <epsy> z-man, now that's conflicting X_x
20:04 <wrtlprnft> the kick votes still work I hope
20:05 <z-man> wrtlprnft: don't worry, suspend votes will be transformed to look like kick votes for the broken clients.
20:05 <z-man> epsy: well, a good test for the scripts :)
20:06 * z-man goes to see what it's doing
20:06 <epsy> z-man,
20:06 <epsy> oops
20:06 <epsy> pressed enter instead of del
20:07 <wrtlprnft> happens to me all the time
20:08 * wrtlprnft wonders what idiot put the backspace key right next to the return key
20:08 <wrtlprnft> and the right shift key, for that matter
20:08 <epsy> the enter key must be right alone
20:08 <epsy> how many times did i miss it while typing a password :þ
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20:09 <epsy> z-man, so what is it doing?
20:09 <wrtlprnft> the enter key should be on the bottom side of the keyboard
20:09 <z-man> No errors so far.
20:09 <epsy> so it's still sleeping? :|
20:09 <z-man> Of course, that's not really good, we don't really want it to just run over conflicts :)
20:10 <z-man> But apparently, that's what it did.
20:10 <epsy> now what do i do..
20:11 <z-man> You do nothing.
20:11 * epsy does nothing
20:12 <z-man> Aha, it ignored my commit.
20:12 <z-man> Or rather, it recognized it as changes to lines someone else had deleted.
20:12 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8353 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/ (10 files in 5 dirs):
20:12 <armabot> armagetronad: Paste support: press ctrl-v in any place that expects text to paste the
20:12 <armabot> armagetronad: clipboard contents. Tested on linux and windows, it should work on macos, too,
20:13 <armabot> armagetronad: in theory. No clue if it really does, though, someone will need to test that.
20:13 <armabot> armagetronad: The code for getting the clipboard contents comes from http://www.libsdl.org/projects/scrap/ and is released in the public domain
20:13 <z-man> cool
20:13 <z-man> SVN is a bit slow today.
20:14 <wrtlprnft> err, that's just the cia bot that's slow
20:14 * wrtlprnft wonders why cia has just one bot in #commits
20:14 <z-man> No, some commits just hang.
20:14 <wrtlprnft> oh
20:15 <z-man> for example the one that's just trying to push epsy's changes to SVN.
20:16 <epsy> it conflicted
20:16 * epsy 's gonna undo-redo
20:17 <z-man> ? where did it conflict?
20:17 <epsy> the debugging breakpointq
20:17 <epsy> s*
20:18 <epsy> you again stole my commit ? :D
20:18 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8354 /armagetronad/trunk/winlibs/libxml2/ (13 files in 2 dirs):
20:18 <armabot> armagetronad: Updated libxml2. No clue if the release fixes any bugs that affect us, but I did
20:18 <armabot> armagetronad: the update because it fixed something that turned out to be our own fault. It
20:18 <armabot> armagetronad: compiles and runs fine, so i guess there's no reason not to commit it.
20:18 <z-man> epsy: what does "bzr whoami" say?
20:19 <epsy> epsy
20:19 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8355 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/win32/code_blocks/ArmagetronAd.cbp: Add new files for copy and paste support
20:20 <z-man> Odd. bzr isn't supposed to do such things.
20:21 <epsy> r771 showed as being committed by "epsy" at first time
20:24 <epsy> altrough it semt to we that it was r770 at first..
20:25 <z-man> Yep, the svn commit needed to be pushed in between, because svn doesn't support revision reordering.
20:26 <wrtlprnft> meh. can someone tell me where they see two possible divs by 0 in
20:26 <wrtlprnft> if(ta == NAN && tb == NAN) return fabs((m_reference-a).NormSquared()) < fabs((m_reference-b).NormSquared());
20:26 <z-man> Easy, NAN is #defined as 0/0 :)
20:26 <wrtlprnft> argh
20:26 <z-man> Compiling on Windows?
20:26 <wrtlprnft> yeah
20:26 <wrtlprnft> it's annoyed me for ages
20:27 <wrtlprnft> s/ages/a month/
20:27 <z-man> me too.
20:27 <wrtlprnft> isn't NAN defined in math.h?
20:28 <z-man> Dunno, probably, yeah.
20:28 <z-man> ugh, pushing epsy's change to SVN failed.
20:28 <z-man> let's see what happens on the next attempt.
20:29 <wrtlprnft> oh well, at least i can ignore that warning now without having to question my sanity
20:31 <z-man> Ah, /me knows what happened
20:31 <z-man> the script only got my first commit from svn
20:31 <z-man> then fetched epsy's commit from bzr
20:32 <z-man> and then got into trouble trying to push it to svn, because my second commit, the conflicting one, came afterwards.
20:32 * wrtlprnft knows why he does not want to be an admin for this project ;-P
20:32 <wrtlprnft> poor fellows.
20:33 <z-man> Heh, gues who, for sheer lack of other candidates, is currently nr 1 on the admin replacement list :)
20:34 <wrtlprnft> :-(
20:34 <Monkey_arma> DrJoeTron
20:36 <luke-jr> O.o
20:36 <wrtlprnft> why not luke-jr?
20:36 <armabot> armagetronad: wrtlprnft * r8356 /www/beta/trunk/www-aabeta/releases.php: New windows build for people to test pasting
20:36 <armabot> Executed aauptest: /home/supybot/a
20:36 <luke-jr> why is there an admin replacement list at all?
20:37 <z-man> To annoy you.
20:37 <wrtlprnft> in case there's too many buses on the street?
20:37 * wrtlprnft thinks people should ride trains instead of buses
20:37 <wrtlprnft> or just ride a bike.
20:37 <z-man> No, in fact, we don't have a list.
20:37 * luke-jr thinks people should just invent a teleporter
20:37 <wrtlprnft> z-man: don't tell them about the secret triumvirate forum
20:37 * z-man sees some more spurious revisions
20:38 <z-man> bzr rebase is probably a bad idea.
20:38 <wrtlprnft> heh, keep the CIA stats up!
20:39 <z-man> I'd rather have a clean svn log.
20:39 <wrtlprnft> we can do better than 3.73 hours per message
20:39 <wrtlprnft> (you're right, of course)
20:41 <spidey_> http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=626548&st=0&#entry589279661
20:43 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8357 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: Fixed AI player names in client and removed debug breakpoints from tColoredString:RemoveColors
20:44 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8358 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/: Manuel Moos: Empty merge to keep the peace between svn and bzr.
20:44 * z-man stole more of epsy's commits
20:44 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8359 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: undo
20:45 <armabot> armagetronad: bazaarmagetron * r8360 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/ (. src/engine/ePlayer.cpp): Manuel Moos: redo
20:46 <wrtlprnft> undo/redo? are those yours or did bazaarmagetron do those on its own?
20:46 <z-man> Those are epsy's.
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20:47 * wrtlprnft wants his commits to appear as z-man's, too, so everyone blames him
20:47 <wrtlprnft> that's the true spirit of “we”
20:47 <z-man> haha
20:47 <epsy> was a hopeless try to resolve the conflict :þ
20:47 <epsy> #ping
20:47 <armabot> pong
20:47 <flex> #ping
20:47 <armabot> pong
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20:49 <Monkey_arma> this little bit from debian@uncyclopedia is so funny its a must read...
20:49 <Monkey_arma> http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Debian#Debian_IRC_support
20:50 <flex> is PST -7 GMT?
20:50 <wrtlprnft> z-man: text_out reset itself to 0 again, for some reason. Why is this a permanent setting again?
20:50 <z-man> Dunno, can't remember.
20:51 <z-man> Ah, because it is available via a menu.
20:51 <Stewie-arma> flex, yes it is
20:52 <flex> thanks :)
20:52 <Stewie-arma> since sunday ;P
20:52 <flex> always end up forgetting
20:52 <wrtlprnft> z-man: oh, it is? never seen it
20:53 <flex> Monkey_arma, LOL UR TOTAL N00b. RTFM u f4g. go kill ur self.
20:53 <z-man> In "Misc Stuff"
20:54 <Monkey_arma> heh
20:55 <flex> :*
20:55 <wrtlprnft> meh, you'd think there were few enough ingame menus so you could know them all after years of playing
20:55 <wrtlprnft> i might have hit that by accident
20:55 <flex> lol ;(
21:00 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8361 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/tank_todo-halffinnished.txt: Test commit from svn.
21:05 <flex> haha monkey, i tried it in #debian :p
21:06 <wrtlprnft> what happened?
21:06 <flex> "[20:07:02] <stew> flex: lose the caps. do you have an actual question?"
21:06 <flex> and "[20:07:19] <pipatron> flex: 1) crash, 2) crash, 3) anything"
21:06 <flex> lol
21:07 <z-man> what exactly did you ask?
21:07 <flex> OMG! DEBIAN IS SO PATHETIC! IT CAN'T ________, BUT WINDOWS CAN _____ JUST BY CLICKING _______!
21:07 <z-man> you were supposed to fill in something.
21:08 <flex> couldn't be bothered :p
21:08 <MrBougo> hehe
21:09 <Monkey_arma> hehe lol flex
21:09 <Monkey_arma> didnt they get the joke?
21:09 <wrtlprnft> OMG! DEBIAN IS SO PATHETIC! IT CAN'T CRASH, BUT WINDOWS CAN CRASH JUST BY CLICKING ANYWHERE!
21:09 <MrBougo> rofl
21:09 <MrBougo> OMG! DEBIAN IS SO PATHETIC! IT CAN'T ________, BUT WINDOWS CAN _____ JUST BY CLICKING _______!
21:09 <MrBougo> is that the censored version?
21:09 <Monkey_arma> i actually saw that behaviour for real yesterday in a linux channel
21:10 <flex> lol MrBougo, no it's the "do it yourself" version
21:10 <hoax> dcc send debian_fireworks :)
21:10 <MrBougo> the "do it yourself censored version"
21:10 <flex> where do i get the "LOL UR TOTAL N00b. RTFM u f4g. go kill ur self." responses :(
21:11 <Monkey_arma> i just read what they said in #debian ...heeh
21:11 <flex> lol
21:12 <Monkey_arma> they're so anal some of them...
21:27 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r8363 /armagetronad/branches/0.2.8/armagetronad/tank_todo-halffinnished.txt: Undid test commits.
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21:42 <K-Yo> did a revision recently changed keyboard policy?
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22:02 <wrtlprnft> K-Yo: ?
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22:22 <K-Yo> wrtlprnft, ye?
22:22 <K-Yo> I had my keyboard configured a way, but now it's another
22:22 <K-Yo> after compiling
22:23 <K-Yo> it has some WORLD 64 keys etc
22:26 <epsy> wrtlprnft, when do we get support for text selection?
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22:30 <epsy> btw, you all have a new message, cya
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22:47 <z-man> what message did epsy mean?
22:47 * wrtlprnft has no idea
22:47 <flex> have no idea..
22:48 * spidey_ has a idea
22:48 * wrtlprnft hopes he's not responsible for K-Yo's bug
22:49 <spidey_> wrtlprnft, what firmware is your router running?
22:49 * K-Yo has no idea
22:50 <wrtlprnft> spidey_: why do you care?
22:51 <spidey_> because i'm trying to put dd-wrt on mine
22:51 <wrtlprnft> openwrt white russian
22:52 <spidey_> do they have a list of brands/modles they support?
22:53 <K-Yo> http://openwr.firmwares.com
22:53 <luke-jr> yes
22:53 <luke-jr> http://wiki.openwrt.org/TableOfHardware
22:53 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: why White Russian?
22:54 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: because it works just fine, kamikaze isn't stable yet, and I'm too lazy to update and redo all my settings?
22:54 <luke-jr> hm
22:54 * luke-jr ponders if downgrading would fix his problems
22:55 <luke-jr> btw, White Russian isn't stable either :þ
22:55 <wrtlprnft> and afaik kamikaze still would still use a 2.4 kernel on my hardware
22:55 <luke-jr> someone stupidly decided to drop support for WR and it is now "unsupported" :/
22:57 <wrtlprnft> also, the documentation on installing kamikaze is quite thin at the moment
22:57 <wrtlprnft> 1.1 Getting started
22:57 <wrtlprnft> 1.1.1 Installation
22:57 <wrtlprnft> 1.1.2 Initial configuration
22:58 <wrtlprnft> something changed. the doc for whiterussian was much more helpful.
22:58 <spidey_> mm
22:58 <spidey_> they don't even have my model listed
22:58 <spidey_> =/
23:00 <spidey_> er
23:01 <spidey_> dd-wrt doesn't have the model number listed either =/
23:01 <wrtlprnft> get a wrt54gl
23:01 <spidey_> i miss read my "9" as a "7"
23:01 <wrtlprnft> it's a great box.
23:01 <luke-jr> get a Buffalo
23:01 <luke-jr> they're illegal to import tho
23:01 <luke-jr> :þ
23:02 <spidey_> i have a belkin
23:02 <spidey_> it's a canadian company, which explains why i've had to buy a new one every 3-6 months
23:03 <wrtlprnft> maybe i should install dd-wrt
23:03 <wrtlprnft> looks like it's more actively developed
23:04 <spidey_> well
23:04 <spidey_> this explains it all...i think
23:04 <wrtlprnft> on the other hand openwrt runs great
23:04 <wrtlprnft> and i love its web interface
23:04 <wrtlprnft> based on shellscripts :D
23:04 <spidey_> the model i'm using, people have said the firmware is really buggy
23:05 <spidey_> explains why i can only use it as a switch
23:05 <spidey_> but my since i switched to cable, my cable modem only assigns lan ip's if it has no connection =/
23:05 <spidey_> (surfboard, it's like my isp is begging me to uncap it)
23:07 <spidey_> oh nice
23:07 <spidey_> the firmware my router's running has a exploit O.o
23:07 <wrtlprnft> oh, what's the firmware?
23:07 <wrtlprnft> where's the exploit
23:07 <spidey_> pft
23:08 <spidey_> http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=155809&sid=3de34a5a99fb1ba0642abdbd3afd0fdc
23:08 <wrtlprnft> would you mind visiting http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx to see if it displays correctly in your browser?
23:08 <spidey_> ...
23:08 <spidey_> only works if remote administration is enabled :P
23:08 <wrtlprnft> can you enable it?
23:09 <wrtlprnft> (who in their right mind would enable that, anyways?)
23:09 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: works for me
23:09 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: I enable remote SSH
23:10 * wrtlprnft just sshs into a host running behind the router, and from there to the router
23:11 <luke-jr> well, I have WAN IPs on everything
23:12 <spidey_> luke-jr, you pay for extra ip's?
23:12 <wrtlprnft> no
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23:12 <wrtlprnft> ipv6
23:12 <luke-jr> spidey_: no
23:12 <spidey_> o
23:12 <wrtlprnft> i have an ip i can remember.
23:12 <luke-jr> I bypass the ISP's limit
23:12 <wrtlprnft> and that does not contain colons
23:12 <spidey_> i need to get a static ip
23:12 <spidey_> i miss it :(
23:13 <luke-jr> actually
23:13 <luke-jr> RoadRunner just has 4 WAN IPs with their basic plan
23:13 <luke-jr> v4 even, wrtlprnft
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23:16 * wrtlprnft could have a /29 subnet with his dedicated server provider
23:16 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: i still don't get what i'd need those IPs for
23:17 <wrtlprnft> #night
23:17 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
23:17 <flex> hey z-man/z-man-work, here?
23:18 <z-man> no
23:18 <flex> aw
23:18 <z-man> what's it?
23:19 <z-man> ^^^ joking
23:19 <z-man> I am here.
23:19 <flex> the ping issue i was talking about, it seems like it's resolved.. but i'm not quite sure if it was the server
23:20 <flex> cafe has been acting up for quite a while so i couldn't test it on there clearly, so i tried it on flower power, and that seems to have login disabled.. but you say it has nothing to do with auth but i have like a theory it's abit to do with auth (ignore that last statement for now)
23:20 <z-man> Well, the only way to test is to go to the same server with an old and new client.
23:20 * z-man ignores the last bit
23:20 <flex> yeah, i did/do test it like that
23:21 <z-man> Of course, effects can vary from server to server, it also depends on how the server measures the ping.
23:21 <flex> the thing is, after one match of looking, it never jumped on old client, but on new client it jumped only twice and it reached 70.. standard is 45-55
23:22 <flex> so maybe it was just my network jump, or it was the client, but two jumps isn't anything frequent
23:27 <flex> so... am i being paranoid and irrational because it's been solved or do you think it still exists?
23:28 <z-man> Dunno really. I'm pretty sure the order things are done during the game is as good as it can get.
23:29 <z-man> Between rounds, things can be different, and the ping can jump up; and the number the client shows is only what the server tells it in odd intervals.
23:35 <flex> so far, i'm going to carry on using this client (r8355) and see how it works out
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