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--- Day changed Sun Feb 03 2008
00:02 <luke-jr> pfft
00:02 <luke-jr> player:tell("Hello World");
00:02 <pippijn> is moo object oriented?
00:03 <pippijn> z-man: http://www.xinutec.org/html/namespacerona.html
00:04 <pippijn> typesafe printf for up to 10 parameters
00:05 <pippijn> the problem with typesafe printf is that there are no compile-time format string tests
00:06 <pippijn> z-man: my typesafe printf is 40% faster than boost's
00:07 <pippijn> luke-jr: http://pip.one09.net/files/txt/79548b1f9a7e2ca676fa1d98c90b421d.txt
00:08 <pippijn> luke-jr: hate me already?
00:08 <z-man> pippijn: luke-jr means a different MOO
00:09 <pippijn> luke-jr: http://pip.one09.net/files/txt/a8f58a55c76514a0a61096d13cdc4157.txt
00:09 <pippijn> luke-jr: now you probably do hate me :-D
00:09 <pippijn> z-man: don't worry, I won't do that to armagetron
00:09 <luke-jr> pippijn: yes, MOO is OO
00:10 <luke-jr> pippijn: prototype-based, to be specific
00:10 <z-man> I hope :)
00:10 <pippijn> z-man: but it really is the fastest possible way to convert an integer to a string
00:10 <z-man> And impossible to get to run on a local test environment, I may add.
00:10 <pippijn> at least the fastest way I can think of
00:10 <pippijn> yes, you are missing a key function :P
00:11 <pippijn> http://pip.one09.net/files/txt/66811746320ad7a584cda3064c6c4daa.txt <- this one
00:11 <pippijn> and you don't have my typedefs either
00:12 <pippijn> http://pip.one09.net/files/up/itoa.C
00:12 <pippijn> try that
00:13 <z-man> I was talking about MOO :)
00:13 <pippijn> oh okay
00:13 <luke-jr> z-man: ?
00:13 <z-man> Your memory is short, luke-jr.
00:13 <luke-jr> no, your context just doesn't make sense ☺
00:14 <z-man> Back when you were proposing MOO as AA scripting language, you tried to help me getting a MOO system set up.
00:14 <z-man> it didn't work.
00:14 <luke-jr> z-man: I did?
00:14 <z-man> Well, what counts as help from you :)
00:14 <luke-jr> you mean I had you connect to a MOO?
00:14 <luke-jr> what didn't work, exactly?
00:14 <z-man> random shouts of RTFM and the occasional link.
00:14 <luke-jr> :þ
00:14 <z-man> Everything?
00:15 <luke-jr> everything works for me
00:15 <K-Yo> we have a problem
00:15 <z-man> Getting something on my local machine where I could enter and run moo code?
00:15 <z-man> K-Yo: we?
00:15 <luke-jr> z-man: not difficult at all
00:15 <K-Yo> i mean you don't
00:15 <K-Yo> i do
00:16 <K-Yo> and several players probable
00:16 <K-Yo> probably
00:16 <pippijn> what problem?
00:16 <z-man> What is it?
00:16 <z-man> luke-jr: yes, extremely dificult, because the only frigging doc that was findable was the quacking duck tutorial.
00:17 <K-Yo> http://wiki.armagetronad.net/index.php?title=Ladle-13/Challenge_Board
00:17 <K-Yo> |x| switched teams with ct
00:17 <K-Yo> without asking any cter
00:17 <flex> what
00:17 <K-Yo> that upsets me
00:17 <flex> urm lol
00:17 <flex> explain
00:17 <K-Yo> explain what?
00:17 <luke-jr> wget http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gammamoo/download/gammamoo-1.8.2g4.tbz2 && tar xjvpf gammamoo-1.8.2g4.tbz2 && cd MOO-1.8.2g4 && ./configure && make && wget http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/jhcore/JHCore-DEV-2.db.gz && gzip -d <JHCore-DEV-2.db.gz >new.db && ./moo new.db new.db & telnet localhost 7777
00:17 <flex> i don't understand what you mean
00:18 <K-Yo> ct is supposed to play vs °°ps
00:18 <luke-jr> wget http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gammamoo/download/gammamoo-1.8.2g4.tbz2 && tar xjvpf gammamoo-1.8.2g4.tbz2 && cd MOO-1.8.2g4 && ./configure && make && wget http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/jhcore/JHCore-DEV-2.db.gz && gzip -d <JHCore-DEV-2.db.gz >new.db && { ./moo new.db new.db & telnet localhost 7777; }
00:18 <flex> and who is x meant to play?
00:19 <luke-jr> depends on gperf and bison
00:19 <K-Yo> |x| was firstly registered as team 6
00:19 <K-Yo> everything is on history
00:19 <luke-jr> wget http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gammamoo/download/gammamoo-1.8.2g4.tbz2 && tar xjvpf gammamoo-1.8.2g4.tbz2 && cd MOO-1.8.2g4 && ./configure && make && wget http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/jhcore/JHCore-DEV-2.db.gz && gzip -d <JHCore-DEV-2.db.gz >new.db && { ./moo new.db new.db & sleep 10; telnet localhost 7777; }
00:19 <z-man> Well, you did not give me that the last time :)
00:19 <luke-jr> z-man: I don't recall you needing it local :þ
00:19 <z-man> I was complaining several times that MOO is MUD only.
00:19 <K-Yo> flex, who is "Alex" ?
00:19 <epsy> well we weren't going to play on wild west at registration time
00:19 <epsy> ...
00:20 <K-Yo> that is the person who changed it
00:20 <K-Yo> epsy, that's not our problem, we're not either
00:20 <K-Yo> we put ct's name on team 2
00:20 <K-Yo> no |x| er has to change it
00:20 <luke-jr> z-man http://www.lisdude.com/moo/
00:21 <K-Yo> without ct consent
00:21 <flex> urm epsy why the fuck is that an issue?
00:22 <flex> K-Yo, Alex is rico and he says: i wanted the final to be x vs tr/kod whatever
00:23 <flex> is that a justifiable reason?
00:23 <K-Yo> no
00:23 <K-Yo> i don't think so
00:24 <K-Yo> |x| put their name on team 6
00:24 <flex> so?
00:24 <K-Yo> we put ours on team 2
00:24 <flex> it's not cheating..
00:24 <flex> just changing around the first game positions..
00:24 <K-Yo> i change it back then
00:24 <K-Yo> and he changes it again
00:24 <K-Yo> and i change it again
00:24 <z-man> Right, shouldn't be an issue if you change it back :)
00:25 <K-Yo> and i don't think rico has the right to change our position
00:25 <flex> well rico is gona change it too
00:25 <flex> he has the right to change his teams position
00:25 <K-Yo> it has always been a first here first served
00:25 <K-Yo> yes
00:25 <K-Yo> but he hasn't the right to change ct's position
00:25 <z-man> I would say so, too.
00:26 <flex> i don't see the problem though..
00:26 <flex> what's he wanting position 2 for?
00:26 -!- earplugs [n=earplugs@user-514dd54d.l4.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #armagetron
00:26 <z-man> That's not the point :)
00:26 <K-Yo> he wants the final to be vs KoD/tr
00:26 <flex> so?
00:26 <K-Yo> but that's not the point indeed
00:26 <flex> what is the point exactly..
00:26 <z-man> The point is that if you allow everyone to change the team order at any time, there is chaos.
00:27 <K-Yo> the point is we are playing vs °°ps and not you
00:27 <flex> well it's soon going to be locked isn't it z-man
00:27 <K-Yo> what?
00:27 <earplugs> what?
00:27 <K-Yo> hi earplugs
00:27 <earplugs> hi
00:27 <flex> ok sort it out please..
00:27 <K-Yo> we're talking about that change
00:27 <flex> what's the problem?
00:27 <K-Yo> there is no problem if you let ct as team 2
00:28 <flex> your point is being you don't want to change, but that's not a explaination of why but of "because"
00:28 <earplugs> the point of the challenge board is that youre allowed to change it
00:28 <K-Yo> <z-man> The point is that if you allow everyone to change the team order at any time, there is chaos.
00:28 <flex> that doesn't make any sense
00:28 <K-Yo> we can create chaos
00:28 <flex> seeing as how everyone can change it whenever they feel like
00:28 <epsy> my grandmother died half an hour ago
00:28 <epsy> hm
00:28 <flex> :o
00:28 <earplugs> :|
00:29 <z-man> The guidelines write:  Only the Team-Captain is authorised to place your team on the board. S/He may alter this whenever they wish
00:29  * earplugs hugs epsy
00:29 <flex> sorry of your lose epsy
00:29 <z-man> note: they say the captain can PLACE the team and CHANGE THAT.
00:29 <earplugs> well i added x in the first place
00:29 <z-man> It does not say the captain can move other teams around at will.
00:29 <earplugs> so i can change it
00:29 <K-Yo> but he can't change any other team's place
00:29 <z-man> yes, you can change x, but not ct.
00:29 <earplugs> so whys it been done before then
00:29 <K-Yo> and ct was team 2 at first place
00:29 <earplugs> and not by me
00:30 <z-man> you are free to hop to another place.
00:30 <z-man> if it is free.
00:30 <z-man> What has been done before?
00:30 <earplugs> teams moving around
00:30 <flex> dude, can we stop arguing about the rights and legalaities of why and how it can be changed and focus on why we are changing or why they don't want to change. Please.
00:30 <K-Yo> maybe they agreed
00:31 <earplugs> it was done ages ago, i believe in a ladle involving tui
00:31 <z-man> When did this already happen?
00:31 <earplugs> like a year ago
00:32 <K-Yo> flex, u are changing to fight KoD/tr in final we don't want to change to have a chance to get to final. but this has nothing to do with the problem
00:32 <z-man> Well, maybe back then, it was done with both teams' consent?
00:32 <flex> or maybe nobody cared?
00:32 <earplugs> likely that it wasnt, z-man
00:32 <z-man> And obviously now, ct has objections?
00:32 <earplugs> ct doesnt, one cter does
00:32 <K-Yo> $ol isn't here right now
00:32 <z-man> so you have asked all of ct?
00:32 <K-Yo> how can you talk for ct?
00:32 <K-Yo> no
00:33 <z-man> Who's the Captain of CT for Ladle purposes, anyway?
00:33 <K-Yo> anyway
00:33 <earplugs> sol is, hes not here
00:33 <flex> z-man, why should he ask all of ct? CT should all be objecting
00:33 <epsy> K-Yo, DS > CT anyway..
00:33 <K-Yo> has |x| asked ct to change?
00:33 <flex> not the other way round
00:33 <flex> k-yo you have no authority of ct?
00:34 <K-Yo> what do you mean?
00:34 <z-man> So if you make a change five minutes before the deadline, it's CT's duty to notice it, get together, and ALL object?
00:34 <flex> it's an open challenge board..
00:34 <z-man> Bound by the guidelines I quoted.
00:34 <flex> ok so X isn't happy with it's position.. what is the options?
00:35 <z-man> Ask CT/sol for a switch.
00:35 <earplugs> k, whats the big deal... even this way youd get a bye straight to round 2
00:35 <z-man> Or make the switch and mark it as provisional, and give CT enough opportunity to revert it if they object.
00:35 <flex> well that's how it is zman..
00:36 <flex> isn't it?
00:36 <earplugs> zz-man: thats what we did...
00:36 <K-Yo> i like the topic you let on our forums saying "we changed it"
00:36 <flex> k-yo is the one objecting alone..
00:36 <z-man> Sort of, apart from the fact that I don't see the opportunity for CT to revert.
00:36 <K-Yo> flex, i'm the one who saw it
00:36 <flex> lol what opportunity are we denying z-man?
00:36 <flex> sol can easily come and say something
00:36 <K-Yo> that would be stupid of us to stay at pos team 6
00:37 <flex> why?
00:37 <z-man> If he notices it.
00:37 <earplugs> whym you get a bye to round 2
00:37 <K-Yo> why don't YOU stay here then?
00:37 <earplugs> we want an extra warmup match
00:37 <earplugs> if you like ill change oops with ct, so we play you in round one
00:37 <earplugs> hows that?
00:37 <K-Yo> °°ps has to agree
00:37 <flex> no, not agree, disagree
00:37 <flex> wtf?
00:37 <K-Yo> it's always the same
00:38 <flex> it's an open challenge board
00:38 <z-man> bound by the guidelines.
00:38 <earplugs> why leave it open then
00:38 <flex> z-man first come first serve?
00:38 <z-man> because it's just a WIKI, and you can only allow or deny all change.
00:38 <K-Yo> earplugs, it's open to allow team to write their names
00:38 <flex> didn't x sign up first?
00:38 <earplugs> sure, and thats what i did
00:38 <K-Yo> tthere is an historic to check who was here first
00:38 <z-man> yes, I would interpret the guidelines as "first come, first server"
00:39 <flex> yeah well we signed up bofore right earplugs?
00:39 <K-Yo> tyeah
00:39 <earplugs> yah
00:39 <z-man> But for spot 6.
00:39 <K-Yo> and u signed as team 6
00:39 <K-Yo> tyou were the firsts on sopt 6
00:39 <flex> so we want to move to a position where we get to actually play a team..
00:39 <K-Yo> we were the firsts on spot 2
00:39 <z-man> You don't get the right to shuffle all around just by being first.
00:39 <flex> well zman if there's no team how can we choose where to play?
00:40 <flex> anyway point is it's unjustified to argue over positions, they have just as much rights as we have over positions
00:40 <z-man> You could have waited for the second team to sign up, and then decite to switch to the empty spot beside it?
00:40 <z-man> No, CT has more rights on position 2, because they were there first.
00:41 <z-man> Was there any action from x, aside from editing the wiki page, regarding the change?
00:41 <earplugs> what do you mean, any action
00:41 <z-man> Like informing CT of it.
00:42 <flex> a thread i beleive
00:42 <flex> right earplugs?
00:42 <K-Yo> where?
00:42 <z-man> linky?
00:42 <K-Yo> nothing on ct forums anyway
00:43 <earplugs> um
00:43 <earplugs> hang on
00:44 <flex> guess there is no thread then
00:45 <earplugs> there was a topic about it in the x members only area
00:45 <K-Yo> ah too bad i missed it
00:45 <z-man> There you go :) Post about it on the CT forums, and give them additional time to object, and everything is fine.
00:46 <z-man> Since the official deadline for changing the challenge board ends in five minutes, I'd say you should give them at least time until 3 hours before the Ladle starts.
00:47 <earplugs> doesnt the CB get locked though?
00:47 <z-man> It only affects your two teams, and the one game either of you is going to have is on my server, so I would not object of all of you just coming there and letting the team captains discuss it right before the decision is needed.
00:48 <z-man> Yes,  but we can mark the change as "pending"
00:48 <earplugs> ...right
00:49 <flex> earplugs when was your first change?
00:49 <z-man> around 15:00 today
00:49 <earplugs> earlier
00:49 <earplugs> i think
00:49 <flex> z-man where does it say we need approvel by the other team captain?
00:50 <flex> k-yo is the only one objecting..
00:50 <flex> not the captain
00:50 <z-man> In the guidelines. They say you can pick YOUR position and change that.
00:50 <z-man> So far, se seems to be the only one who KNOWS about it.
00:51 <K-Yo> flex, it's also common sense...
00:51 <flex> yes we picking our position and changing it..
00:51 <z-man> Do you know how I hate it if I have to repeat myself?
00:51 <earplugs> no
00:51 <z-man> You not only changed your position, but CTs position too.
00:52 <flex> so again where does this have anything to do with approval.. we're changing our teams, exactly how it says we can.. he';s the one objecting to it
00:52 <flex> we're going in circles.. if you wanna argue about rules, i'm reading them with what your saying and i can see we are still doing it by the book..
00:53 <flex> it doesn't say we can't change anyones position if it means we we wan't to be in that specific position..
00:53 <z-man> No, you are not, and you're violating basic courtesy rules as well.
00:53 <z-man> Apply some common sense then?
00:54 <z-man> So CT has the right to change it back?
00:54 <K-Yo> <flex> we're going in circles..<- guess who's fault?
00:54 <z-man> Then you have the right to change it back?
00:54  * z-man agrees with K-Yo.
00:54 <flex> we have to apply common sense when you're ignoring all basic common sense as A. he's not the captain. B it was changed more then 3 hours ago..
00:54 <z-man> Oh, and you check the challenge board every hour to see what has changed?
00:54 <K-Yo> <K-Yo> i change it back then
00:54 <K-Yo> <K-Yo> and he changes it again
00:54 <K-Yo> <K-Yo> and i change it again
00:54 <K-Yo> <flex> well rico is gona change it too
00:54 <flex> k-yo you should of found your captain.. that's not the issue here..
00:55 <earplugs> ill gladly change it if CT themserlves or at least the captain comes and complains
00:55 <earplugs> not just one noob
00:55 <K-Yo> :*
00:55 <flex> z-man, it's unfair to us that we do not have a first round
00:55 <K-Yo> why shoud CT resent it?
00:55 <flex> why are you removing all signs of courtesy to us z-man?
00:55 <earplugs> noone signed up in our bracket and we want a first round match
00:55 <z-man> You could have jumped to a place that has a competitor earlier.
00:56 <flex> we are..
00:56 <z-man> flex: because you did not even have the decency to inform CT about the change.
00:56 <earplugs> how, when we were first to register?
00:56 <z-man> If your goal is to drive me insane, you're doing well.
00:56 <K-Yo> look back 1h later?
00:56 <flex> we first registered, we bothered to look if we are happy with our position, we are here argueing
00:56 <flex> Not the captain, not CT
00:57 <earplugs> just one person. if CT or CTs captain comes and complains, ill change it back
00:57 <earplugs> gladly change it
00:57 <earplugs> but until then... -.-
00:57 <flex> z-man i was just about to drop this and take 6, but it's not fair on how things are going on about this..
00:57 <z-man> You know what? FUCK YOU. I'm off, and if tomorrow, CT shows up on my server and they want to play, I'm going to let them play.
00:57 <flex> lol
00:58 <earplugs> hhahah
00:58 <z-man> Unless you manage to actually show you talked to them.
00:58 <flex> what if they don't come online before z-man?
00:58 <z-man> That's your problem, you should have brought it up earlier.
00:58 <flex> K-Yo Why the fuck did you take things into your own hands? Could you not have found the time to find any captain?
00:59 <z-man> (Same as with the player number reduction, really)
00:59 <flex> our problem? K-Yo with no authority was changing it back
00:59 <earplugs> like i said, ill happily change it if ct or at least a captain of ct comes and complains
00:59 <Stewie-arma> woo I am confused!! yay
00:59 <earplugs> but until then................
00:59 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50872080.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
00:59 <earplugs> bye z-man
00:59 <flex> Seriously, we don't need that position badly, neither does CT, and it looks like we wan't it more
01:00 <K-Yo> <flex> Seriously, we don't need that position badly
01:00 <flex> NEITHER DO YOU
01:01 <flex> and I mean YOU, not CT
01:01 <K-Yo> i'm keeping that ;)
01:01 <flex> don't be a retard.
01:01 <Stewie-arma> [16:05]  <flex> Seriously, we don't need that position badly, neither does CT, and it looks like we wan't it more
01:01 <Stewie-arma> I'm keeping that
01:01 <flex> suck my fucking cock?
01:01 <Stewie-arma> K-Yo working on your PR
01:02 <flex> It would be really funny if CT actually got knocked out but the team they really wanted to play..
01:02 <K-Yo> on my PR?
01:02 <earplugs> thats right k-yo just take half the text
01:02 <Stewie-arma> public relations
01:03 <K-Yo> ah ;)
01:03 <flex> jeeez
01:03 <K-Yo> that's how hte worl works ^^
01:03 <K-Yo> i didn't make it
01:03 <flex> clearly you're not in it..
01:03 <earplugs> lol
01:03 <K-Yo> and i'm not the only one following those rules :P
01:04 <Mixnetwork_> somebody experience with version 3 server and map change?
01:04 <Stewie-arma> K-Yo yeah, it's you and the rest of the people in prison isn't it?
01:05 <K-Yo> :p
01:05 <K-Yo> not in prison
01:05 <K-Yo> in Asylum
01:07 <Stewie-arma> but still, you're being a douche
01:07 <flex> luke-jr
01:07 <flex> http://savas.lf.dashjr.org/art/mario.html
01:07 <flex> :D
01:08 <epsy> g2g cya
01:08 <flex> cya epsy
01:08 <earplugs> cya
01:08 <epsy> http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk/competitions_experimental.php?c=2214
01:08 <epsy> :)
01:08 <earplugs> you know what K-Yo, just take youre fucking position 2 back... and ill fucking laugh when you cant even get past oops
01:09 <K-Yo> ok
01:09 <K-Yo> have a nice laugh then ;)
01:09 <epsy> ty
01:09 <Stewie-arma> probably wont
01:09 <earplugs> fuckin retard
01:09 <epsy> lol
01:09 <K-Yo> i'm glad you kept your calm :D
01:10 <earplugs> yeah, now stfu
01:10 <Stewie-arma> K-Yo I'm not glad you're such a douche
01:11 <earplugs> stewie: that made no sense
01:11 <Stewie-arma> exactly...
01:11 <flex> well atleast he said he's a douche
01:11 <Stewie-arma> dun dun dunanana
01:11 <Stewie-arma> aaaaaaaa
01:11 <Stewie-arma> sorry, it's suspenseful music
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01:12 <earplugs> kyo did you fuckin change it back or what
01:12 <flex> earplugs, change it back
01:12 <K-Yo> dunno
01:12 <K-Yo> i didn't
01:12 <earplugs> fool
01:12 <earplugs> guess ill have to do it then...
01:12 <K-Yo> flex, that is one of the maturest thing you said tonight ><
01:12 <flex> put combine back with 7
01:12 <K-Yo> do whatever you want
01:13 <K-Yo> i didn't change anything
01:13 <flex> K-Yo, dude don't be a retard
01:13 <K-Yo> from now on i let CT's ambassadors and admin to change it
01:13 <earplugs> x fuckers, very mature
01:13 <earplugs> nice edit
01:13 <earplugs> oh wait
01:13 <ct|kyle> flex: we are playing as team 2 End of story
01:13 <earplugs> no
01:14 <flex> kyle the dicussion is over, go fuck yourself :D
01:14 <K-Yo> x fuckers wasn't necessary ct|kyle
01:14 <ct|kyle> flex: we are showing up at Z-mans
01:14 <flex> dude turn up
01:14 <flex> whatever
01:14 <flex> we already gave up with this hassle
01:14 <earplugs> ill just laugh when you dont even get past round one. at least the other way youd have had a bye to round 2
01:15 <flex> the point was we wanted to play there.. if CT wanted to take position 2 we couldn't take it. It's not up to K-Yo to repesent CT.
01:15 <ct|kyle> there is says x
01:15 <K-Yo> kyle is here doing it now
01:16  * luke-jr stabs flex
01:16 <flex> ok nice vandalism..
01:16 <flex> fucking dicks, shall i just go remove you from the whole ladle :D
01:16 <earplugs> its all fucking changed now
01:16 <ct|kyle> flex: you guys changed it on us.
01:16 <earplugs> jeez
01:16 <flex> "Team 5 is... -¦x¦- fuckers [Aeon, "
01:16 <K-Yo> Oh and taking emmy and I of TST proves you can organize tourneys in a mature way too :x
01:16 <ct|kyle>  Team 5 is... -¦x¦- [Aeon, Cid, Earplugs, Epsy
01:17 <earplugs> i changed it back fle
01:17 <K-Yo> F5
01:17 <earplugs> and kyo wtf does that mean
01:17 <flex> Why do it in the first place you rtard?
01:17 <ct|kyle> I changed it back to x
01:17 <K-Yo> <epsy> http://xclan.armagetron.co.uk/competitions_experimental.php?c=2214
01:17 <earplugs>  no, i did, you cock
01:17 <ct|kyle> i guess we both did earplugs
01:17 <Stewie-arma> woo, bitch bitch moan moan
01:17 <earplugs> K-yo: wtf are you on about
01:18 <flex> urm 16 teams is limit?
01:18 <flex> i see 16teams
01:18 <Stewie-arma> just STFU it was resolved several minutes ago...
01:18 <flex> no Stewie-arma, he's whining about something else
01:18 <Stewie-arma> oh
01:18 <Stewie-arma> then continue
01:18  * Stewie-arma grabs some popcorn
01:19 <earplugs> haha
01:19 <earplugs> k-yo is just being french
01:19 <Stewie-arma> oh he's french?
01:19 <earplugs> im surprised hes not got a white flag already
01:19 <flex> haha
01:19 <K-Yo> earplugs, you have 3 frenchs in your clan
01:19 <Stewie-arma> yes and they are the gay ones...
01:20 <earplugs> so what the fuck are you about the tst for
01:20 <flex> K-Yo you're on the list
01:20 <flex> what's your fucking point
01:20 <earplugs> answer my fucking question not some retarded comment
01:20  * Stewie-arma munches on his popcorn
01:21  * xfroggy stabs Stewie-arma in the back with a knife and runs away laughing like a deranged psychopath 
01:21  * Stewie-arma ponders the seriousness of tron drama...
01:21 <Stewie-arma> NO.U!
01:21 <earplugs> haha
01:21 <earplugs> sup X
01:21 <Stewie-arma> go blow up a yellow van you damn terrorist
01:22 <Stewie-arma> sorry
01:22 <Stewie-arma> hacker on steroids**
01:22 <flex> # Z-Man's TST Server
01:22 <flex>     * flashy & epsy
01:22 <flex>     * Viper & Legit
01:22 <flex>     * Cid & Hay-Lin
01:22 <flex>     * Emmy & K-Yo
01:23 <Stewie-arma> wtf?
01:23 <Stewie-arma> viper and legit?
01:23 <Stewie-arma> when the hell did that happen?
01:23 <earplugs> yesterday
01:23 <Stewie-arma> when did those two become friends?
01:23 <earplugs> stewie who tf are you anyway
01:23 <Stewie-arma> I am stewie...
01:23 <Stewie-arma> aka HellBlade
01:23 <Stewie-arma> aka BeaR
01:23 <xfroggy> hi earplugs
01:24 <earplugs> oh rite
01:24 <Stewie-arma> aka AngryOverlord
01:24 <earplugs> MOAR MUDKIPZ
01:24 <flex> K-Yo, I'm waiting for you to retract your retarded comment "and I of TST proves you can organize tourneys in a mature way too :x"
01:24 <Stewie-arma> hmmm rule fucking 2
01:24 <earplugs> LOL WUT
01:24 <K-Yo> -"and I of TST proves you can organize tourneys in a mature way too :x"
01:24 <K-Yo> done ;)
01:24 <flex> wd
01:24 <flex> "Oh and taking emmy and I of TST proves you can organize tourneys in a mature way too :x"
01:24 <K-Yo> you were right
01:24 <earplugs> now respond
01:24 <xfroggy> O.o
01:25 <xfroggy> tron drama, so exciting :D
01:25 <earplugs> wtf were u having a go at us for
01:25 <earplugs> yeah x, its just some inbred frenchman
01:25  * Stewie-arma passes xfroggy some popcorn
01:25  * xfroggy sits lays back on the couch next to Stewie-arma 
01:25  * K-Yo enters on the stage
01:25 <xfroggy> u got butter with that?
01:25  * Stewie-arma stabs K-Yo in the face with a soldering iron
01:25  * Stewie-arma sits back down on the couch
01:26  * earplugs passes xfroggy a TV remote
01:26  * K-Yo avoid it and smile to his fans
01:26 <Stewie-arma> oh yeah here you go xfroggy
01:26  * xfroggy thinks from this point on everyone is going to type with /me
01:26  * Stewie-arma passes some buttah
01:26 <earplugs> fans? no cters have fans
01:26 <flex> K-Yo, you might wanna thank me for that copy & paste, you would of probably not turned up on time :)
01:26 <K-Yo> you are right
01:26 <K-Yo> thank you flex
01:26  * K-Yo wonders if he has to add anything
01:26 <flex> aw how sweet
01:27 <K-Yo> do you need a blowjob?
01:27  * K-Yo did
01:27 <flex> this can't get any idotic
01:27  * xfroggy passes jager shot to Stewie-arma 
01:28 <Stewie-arma> why aren't we analyzing this xfroggy?
01:28 <earplugs> omg jager
01:28 <earplugs> FTW
01:28 <earplugs> fuck the shots, pass me a bottle
01:28 <xfroggy> hehe :D
01:28  * xfroggy we are Stewie-arma 
01:28 <xfroggy> erm
01:28 <xfroggy> :|
01:28 <earplugs> lol?
01:28  * Stewie-arma thinks that when she said "do you need a blowjob?" it had a symbolic meaning of "I'm a fag please fuck me in the ass"
01:28 <earplugs> haha
01:28 <xfroggy> ;D
01:29 <Stewie-arma> oh crap that's the other end...
01:29  * xfroggy is starting going insane cuz of silence
01:29 <earplugs> zomgz
01:29  * Stewie-arma keeps munching on the popcorn
01:29 <xfroggy> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
01:30 <earplugs> moar mudkipz plz kthxbai
01:30 <K-Yo> #uninsane xfroggy
01:30 <xfroggy> that was it?! O.o
01:30 <Stewie-arma> kthx RULE 2!!!!
01:30 <earplugs> FUCK YEAH MAGIKARP
01:30 <earplugs> etc
01:30  * xfroggy kills earplugs for mentioning mudskipz
01:30 <Stewie-arma> well atleast you aren't braking rule 1
01:31 <earplugs> orly
01:31 <Stewie-arma> xfroggy I remember when it was just you and me.
01:31 <earplugs> haha you gays
01:31 <xfroggy> lmfao, that was fun :D
01:31 <Stewie-arma> then some gay orgy came in and ruined it all
01:31 <xfroggy> back in the day...
01:31 <Stewie-arma> why do fags always have to ruin everything?
01:32 <xfroggy> LOL
01:32 <xfroggy> their nature of being loud :D
01:32 <earplugs> bah
01:32 <earplugs> you are teh fagzorz
01:32 <Stewie-arma> NO.U!
01:32  * xfroggy sees a bunch of rainbow colors flying around #armagetron 
01:32 <earplugs> nevar
01:32 <Stewie-arma> no that's |x|...
01:33 <earplugs> whats ¦x¦?
01:33 <Stewie-arma> "a bunch of rainbow colors flying around"
01:34 <earplugs> uhm
01:34 <Stewie-arma> earplugs: sorry it's the frenchies that make it so.
01:35  * earplugs burps at stewie
01:35  * Stewie-arma continues to munch on his popcorn
01:35 <Stewie-arma> oh nice touch of butter
01:35 <earplugs>  
01:35 <earplugs>  
01:35 <earplugs>  
01:35 <earplugs>  
01:36 <earplugs> gtg
01:36 <earplugs> gnite
01:36 <K-Yo> so we're ok?
01:36 <earplugs> whos ok?
01:36 <K-Yo> no change?
01:37 <earplugs> you got your fucking pos 2 back
01:37 <Stewie-arma> I'm okay...
01:37 <earplugs> now stfu about it
01:37 <K-Yo> perfect
01:37 <earplugs> jesus christ
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01:37 <K-Yo> good night
01:37 <Stewie-arma> hey earplugs don't bring him into this!
01:37 <earplugs> who/
01:37 <earplugs> dont bring who
01:37 <Stewie-arma> Jesus Christ
01:37 <ct|sol> are the kindergarten kids still here?
01:37 <K-Yo> lol
01:38  * K-Yo was lolling at the Jesus Chris joke
01:38 <K-Yo> +t
01:38 <xfroggy> Stewie-arma, WWJD?
01:38 <earplugs> why are cters the only people in irc with clantags
01:38 <Stewie-arma> shoot you in the fucking head!
01:38 <earplugs> i find it funny
01:38 <flex> what ct|sol?
01:39 <xfroggy> O.o
01:39 <earplugs> here we go again
01:39  * earplugs hands out more popcorn
01:39 <Stewie-arma> yay!
01:39 <xfroggy> woo!
01:39  * Stewie-arma munches on his popcorn
01:39 <Stewie-arma> hey xfroggy can you pass the buttah
01:39  * xfroggy chills out again
01:39 <xfroggy> fu u laid back already
01:39 <earplugs> sol? kyo?
01:39  * K-Yo would like to join th epubli
01:39  * K-Yo looks for a place down there
01:40 <xfroggy> Stewie-arma, ask earplugs to pass it
01:40 <Stewie-arma> earplugs pass the butter!
01:40 <ct|sol> just one thing alex. get a life.
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01:40 <earplugs> LOL
01:40 <xfroggy> LOL
01:40 <xfroggy> wtf was that all about?!
01:40 <Stewie-arma> aww that was cute
01:40 <earplugs> haha i rofled
01:40 <xfroggy> omg, LOL @ sol
01:41 <Stewie-arma> btw xfroggy why did durka join TKR?
01:41 <xfroggy> no idea
01:41 <Stewie-arma> I'm so behind in the tron clan statistics
01:41 <xfroggy> i told him to go fuck himself
01:41 <earplugs> lol
01:41 <flex> sol, your two lines was both insults.. come lol
01:41 <earplugs> he left
01:41 <Stewie-arma> flex he left
01:41 <flex> ah
01:41 <xfroggy> flex is a little behind on times
01:41 <xfroggy> :D
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01:42 <Stewie-arma> did you miss the line after "[16:45]  <ct|sol> just one thing alex. get a life."
01:42 <flex> i never looked
01:42 <flex> was busy :p
01:42  * Stewie-arma keeps munching on his popcorn
01:42 <xfroggy> Stewie-arma, how much you fucking got?!
01:42 <Stewie-arma> A HOLE FUCKING LOT!
01:42 <xfroggy> :D
01:43 <earplugs> is it true ct stands for cock teasers?
01:43 <xfroggy> LOL
01:43  * K-Yo wonders if http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/armalogs/ has a size limit
01:43 <Stewie-arma> nope
01:43 <K-Yo> perfect :D
01:43 <xfroggy> the funniest nickname I heard so far was LoD's
01:43 <flex> hahah cock teasers :p
01:43 <xfroggy> Lemons on Drugs :D
01:44 <earplugs> lol?
01:44 <K-Yo> lol
01:44 <xfroggy> remember lod clan Oo
01:44 <earplugs> sure
01:44 <Stewie-arma> lemons on drugs clan?
01:44 <earplugs> ladies of destruction
01:44 <earplugs> etc
01:44 <xfroggy> lmao lemons was the funniest yet for em :D
01:44 <earplugs> pff
01:44 <Stewie-arma> lepar's offsprings dying?
01:45 <earplugs> ha
01:45 <earplugs> its leper, btw
01:45 <Stewie-arma> no one gives a shit
01:45 <earplugs> i do
01:45 <K-Yo> indeed
01:45 <earplugs> and apparently ds stands for dicksuckers and sp for small pricks
01:46 <Stewie-arma> yeah that could be agreed with...
01:48 <Stewie-arma> and apparently x stands for french fags
01:48 <earplugs> hardly, as french fags doesnt start with x
01:48 <Stewie-arma> yes it does
01:48 <Stewie-arma> see right there----->french fags
01:48 <K-Yo> !gaytest
01:48 <Stewie-arma> passed
01:48 <K-Yo> ah shit it doesn't work here :(
01:48 <Stewie-arma> btw you have aids also
01:49 <Stewie-arma> #gaytest
01:49 <Stewie-arma> still thinking.
01:49 <K-Yo> about gaytest?
01:50 <earplugs> gnite
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02:41 <flex> luke-jr
02:41 <luke-jr> f u
02:42 <flex> :o
02:42 <flex> why
02:53 <GodTodd> because luke is a slut who wants to f everyone
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03:35 <luke-jr> u
03:50 <GodTodd> <sarcasm>niiiiiiiiice comeback...that sure put me in my place.</sarcasm>
03:55 <flex> weak
04:04 <luke-jr> u
04:06 <flex> u
04:06 <flex> luke-jr f
04:06 <flex> u
04:06 <luke-jr> u
04:06 <flex> u
04:07 <flex> i win kkthxbye
04:07 <flex> gn
04:17 <ct|kyle> flex: Fu no u's back
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04:59 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
04:59 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr is 139th with a rating of 1465-1562 (from 1150-1850)
04:59 <luke-jr> :/
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11:41 <wireddd> #rating wireddd
11:41 <armabot> wireddd: I don't know anything about 'wireddd'!
11:42 <wireddd> heh
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11:49 <Mixnetwork> hi all
11:49 <pippijn> hi
11:50 <Mixnetwork> pippijn? map change works now
11:50 <pippijn> cool
11:50 <Mixnetwork> only 1 thing , he does not change settings
11:51 <Mixnetwork> some maps need diffrent size
11:51 <Mixnetwork> but he soes not change
11:51 <Mixnetwork> does
11:52 <Mixnetwork> and without MAP_ROTATION it does not work
11:52 <Mixnetwork> though i set it in the configs
11:53 <pippijn> oh.. strange
11:53 <pippijn> you can put the settings into the maps, then
11:53 <Mixnetwork> ?
11:53 <Mixnetwork> size settings into the maps?
11:54 <Mixnetwork> that would be good if that works
11:54 <Mixnetwork> you know where to put them?
11:54 <pippijn> into the settings block of the map
11:55 <Mixnetwork> and i get always one error message for wrong path, but path is ok, can't find the problem there
11:56 <Mixnetwork> sp_size_factor and size_factor in settings of map
11:56 <pippijn> well
11:56 <pippijn> your map looks like this:
11:56 <pippijn> <Resource type=...>
11:56 <pippijn>    <Map version="7">
11:56 <pippijn>       <Settings>
11:57 <pippijn>          <Setting name="size_factor" value="10"/>
11:57 <pippijn>          <Setting name="sp_size_factor" value="10"/>
11:57 <pippijn>       </Settings>
11:57 <Mixnetwork> <!DOCTYPE Resource SYSTEM "map-0.2.8_beta3.dtd">
11:57 <Mixnetwork> <Resource type="aamap" name="space_6" version="2002.0.1" author="space_6" category="polygon/regular">
11:57 <Mixnetwork>  <Map version="0.2.8">
11:57 <Mixnetwork>        <Settings>
11:57 <pippijn>       <World>
11:57 <pippijn> etc
11:57 <Mixnetwork>    	<Setting name="TEAMS_MIN" value="2" />
11:57 <Mixnetwork>    	<Setting name="TEAMS_MAX" value="12" />
11:57 <Mixnetwork>    	<Setting name="SP_TEAMS_MIN" value="2" />
11:57 <Mixnetwork>    	<Setting name="SP_TEAMS_MAX" value="12" />
11:57 <Mixnetwork>     </Settings>
11:57 <Mixnetwork>   <World>
11:57 <Mixnetwork> like this
11:57 <pippijn> yes
11:57 <pippijn> like that
11:57 <pippijn> and you just put size_factor there, as well
11:58 <Mixnetwork> oh ok, more easy that way
11:58 <Mixnetwork> I try right away now :)
11:58 <pippijn> good
11:58 <pippijn> be aware that your client will probably have cached the map
11:58 <pippijn> and maybe your server as well
11:59 <pippijn> so it might not work without emptying those
11:59 <Mixnetwork> OK i do that
11:59 <pippijn> unless you give it a new version number
11:59 <Mixnetwork> i gave new version numbers
11:59 <pippijn> then you need no emptying of caches
12:01 <wrtlprnft> atgh, don't put SIZE_FACTOR into maps!
12:02 <wrtlprnft> it leads to the server parsing the map with the new size_factor, while the client parses it with the old one (at least in the first round)
12:05 <pippijn> oh
12:05 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: that's not good
12:05 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: that needs changing
12:07 <wrtlprnft> just don't do it
12:07 <wrtlprnft> the settings in map files were never meant for that kind of thing
12:08 <wrtlprnft> http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=7381
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12:10 <wrtlprnft> maybe this little tool can help you: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/maptransform.py/maptransform
12:10 <wrtlprnft> (i hope it still works)
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12:45 <Mixnetwork> ooops
12:45 <Mixnetwork> what i read now
12:45 <Mixnetwork> size settings not in maps
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12:59 <Mixnetwork> pippijn?
12:59 <pippijn> hm?
12:59 <Mixnetwork> size_factor not in MAP?
12:59 <pippijn> wrtlprnft says so
13:00 <Mixnetwork> argh, now i chaged all maps
13:03 <Mixnetwork> MAP_ROTATION_TYPE 1 DOES not WORK ALSO
13:03 <Mixnetwork> only 2 works
13:03 <pippijn> uhm..
13:03 <pippijn> it's ROTATION_TYPE iirc
13:03 <Mixnetwork> yepp
13:04 <Mixnetwork> does not work the setting 1
13:04 <pippijn> strange
13:04 <pippijn> it works here
13:04 <Mixnetwork> if i set it to 1 nothing happes at all
13:05 <Mixnetwork> could you take a look on teh server, i get a failure for map path, but i can't fin the failure
13:06 <pippijn> what server?
13:06 <Mixnetwork> forumula 1
13:29 <Mixnetwork> hmm what is wrong now? if i login to the server he says waiting for real players only spectators online??
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14:09 <flex> "Today this market is increasingly dominated by one player. Together, Microsoft and Yahoo! can offer a competitive choice while better fulfilling the needs of customers and partners," Redmond's press statement said today.
14:09 <flex> lol, abit hypocritical there :p
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15:00 <wrtlprnft> epsy: i'll remove that TST ad, then.
15:01 <epsy> wrtlprnft, yes
15:01 <epsy> unless you want to promote 2008.03 :P
15:03 <wrtlprnft> nah, not yet ;)
15:03 <epsy> :P
15:15 <Mixnetwork> pippijn?
15:15 <Mixnetwork> there?
15:15 <pippijn> not really
15:15 <Mixnetwork> lol
15:15 <pippijn> I'm working
15:15 <pippijn> anything quick?
15:15 <epsy> I'm "working"*
15:15 <Mixnetwork> well settings in mpa file messed up all , so i deleted that again
15:16 <pippijn> okay
15:16 <epsy> jesus, all that TST registration went so fast...
15:16 <Mixnetwork> any idea how to change the grid size for each map?
15:16 <pippijn> you could use the map transform tool
15:16 <pippijn> 12:15 < wrtlprnft> maybe this little tool can help you: http://wrtlprnft.ath.cx/python/maptransform.py/maptransform
15:17 <Mixnetwork> how does that work?
15:17 <epsy> ...i'm wondering how could we organize it with 20players/5 servers
15:17 <pippijn> I don't know
15:18 <Mixnetwork> hmm, don't know what to do there
15:18 <epsy> Mixnetwork, resize your map
15:18 <Mixnetwork> but how
15:19 <epsy> enter your map code in, use scale feature
15:19 <epsy> then click transform
15:19 <epsy> (after having clicked the scale button ofc)
15:20 <Mixnetwork> hmm but what he does than? because some maps must be in size of 8 and some 6 ot 7
15:21 <epsy> you want a bigger grid ? slow down players and scale the map down
15:21 <wrtlprnft> the real scale factor is 2 ^ (SIZE_FACTOR / 2)
15:22 <epsy> wrtlprnft, intrested in challenge board grid organization? :P
15:22 <Mixnetwork> hmmm
15:22 <Mixnetwork> don't understand this stuff
15:23 <Mixnetwork> for map change in version 3 he takes the cfg files for each map?
15:23 <Mixnetwork> 1,2,3,4,5 and so on
15:24 <wrtlprnft> epsy: ?
15:24 <Mixnetwork> CONFIG_ROTATION 1.cfg;2.cfg;3.cfg;4.cfg;5.cfg;6.cfg;7.cfg;8.cfg;9.cfg;10.cfg;11.cfg;12.cfg;13.cfg;14.cfg;15.cfg;
15:24 <epsy> wrtlprnft, i'm currently thinking about how to organize the next TST with 5 servers
15:25 <Mixnetwork> why does he take only the map change in that file and not the settings
15:27 <wrtlprnft> what's the problem with that?
15:28 <epsy> then i need semi-finals and querter-finals
15:28 <epsy> quarter*
15:29 <wrtlprnft> CRAP!
15:29 <wrtlprnft> my e-mail client just decided to refetch every email from one of my accounts
15:29 <wrtlprnft> so i have tons of unread duplicates
15:29 <epsy> huh
15:30 <epsy> i get that with the rss feed it reads
15:31 <wrtlprnft> (that was totally unrelated to the stuff you're talking about)
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15:45 <flex> so who was t4nk epsy?
15:45 <epsy> idk
15:46 <flex> why were you so concerned? :p
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16:05 <epsy> flex,
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16:20 <Mixnetwork> has someone experience with poker for ubuntu
16:20 <Mixnetwork> want a server , does that existst
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16:24 <z-man> > emerge bazaar
16:24 <z-man> (hours later)
16:25 <z-man> This package installs the "baz" utility. If you are looking for
16:25 <z-man>  * the "bzr" utility, use "emerge bzr".
16:25 <z-man> Gaaa!
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16:27 <z-man> I was wondering why a python tool had so many dependencies, really.
16:27 <pippijn> what's baz?
16:28 <z-man> I don't know, and I don't care :)
16:28 <z-man> I wanted bzr.
16:29 <pippijn> :)
16:29 <z-man> http://bazaar-vcs.org/
16:29 <pippijn> Baz (baz) is a deprecated implementation of the GNU Arch protocol, designed for usability and performance. You're welcome to use Baz, though we highly ...
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16:30 <z-man> Looks like the version of bzr in portage is horribly outdated anyway.
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16:30 <wrtlprnft> tried ~arch?
16:31 <z-man> No, I specifically want to test bzr's svn-plugin.
16:33 <wrtlprnft> i meant the version portage considers unstable
16:33 <wrtlprnft> * dev-util/bzr Available versions:  0.17 ~0.92-r1 {bash-completion curl emacs sftp test}
16:33 <wrtlprnft> note the difference between 0.17 and 0.92
16:33 <z-man> yesl, i tried that.
16:34 <z-man> hmm, maybe I should update my repository :)
16:34 <z-man> But the current version is 1.1.
16:39 <wrtlprnft> no clue then
16:40 <wrtlprnft> gentoo sucks more every day :-(
16:42  * z-man agrees
16:43 <z-man> It's not a big problem here, both bzr and bzr-svn are setup.py projects that install in a breeze.
16:44 <z-man> But I'll also need svn-1.5, it seems, and python bindings for that. Oh well.
16:44 <wrtlprnft> that only makes it more surprising that they aren't in portage
16:44 <z-man> Lazy maintainers or overworked testers, perhaps.
16:44 <z-man> Or lack of interest.
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16:50 <z-man> Hmm, maybe I should do the experiments on my other PC with Kubuntu. Looks like the svn packages there are prepared for what I need.
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17:08 <Mixnetwork> ehm, what do i need to get ladder stats of version 3
17:10 <z-man> a) it's version 0.3
17:11 <z-man> b) there is no ladder, you need to push your ladderlog to luke to get included in his ranking stuff.
17:13 <z-man> (we're picky about our version numbers :) )
17:15  * pippijn keeps his ladderlog :P
17:16 <pippijn> z-man: I think everybody except sun is picky about version numbers
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17:42 <mkzelda> forced to use excel here, does anyone know how to change the default for urls in a field
17:43 <mkzelda> it defaults to click once to open, shift click to edit
17:43 <mkzelda> i've used the opposite before so i know it can be changed, but i cant find that option
17:47 <K-Yo> in excel?
18:02 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7716 /armagetronad/trunk/ (. armagetronad/configure.ac): Disabled Ruby by default. (Also, testing bzr-svn in our real world scenario)
18:02 <pippijn> z-man: great!
18:03 <wrtlprnft> finally i can forget how that configure switch was called
18:04 <wrtlprnft> because neither --disable-ruby nor --no-ruby seems to work, it's something else (already forgot)
18:04 <pippijn> without-ruby?
18:05 <wrtlprnft> something like that, yeah
18:06 <z-man> really? I thought i was --disable-ruby.
18:06 <z-man> Oh, it was both, and I only disabled one, I think.
18:07 <z-man> Ah no, the --with-ruby was only to tell the system where to find ruby.
18:08  * z-man needs a second small change to test bzr-svn
18:08 <z-man> Any suggestions?
18:09 <wrtlprnft> --enable-ladder?
18:10 <wrtlprnft> although --enable-zonesv2 would be far more useful
18:10 <z-man> That wouldn't be a small change :)
18:10 <wrtlprnft> that's why i made that other suggestion
18:11 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7717 /armagetronad/trunk/ (. armagetronad/configure.ac): Silly change to test bzr-svn again.
18:11 <wrtlprnft> aww
18:11 <z-man> heh :)
18:11 <pippijn> z-man: why do you want bazaar?
18:11 <z-man> That one took only 30 seconds.
18:11 <z-man> For development branches.
18:11 <pippijn> ah
18:11 <z-man> SVN is not really good for those.
18:12 <pippijn> indeed
18:12 <z-man> SVN is OK for stabilization branches, where you fix bugs, and merge them back to the parent branch.
18:12 <z-man> It can't support two way merges, that's the problem.
18:13 <z-man> And the advantage of development branches in an external VCS is that after you're done, you can throw them away.
18:13 <wrtlprnft> moving to svn seemed to at least spark tons of new useful commits
18:13 <pippijn> yes
18:13 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: did it?
18:13 <wrtlprnft> let's move to bazaar, maybe we'll finally get flying cycles
18:13 <Mixnetwork> wher can i get the files for ladder stats
18:14 <pippijn> actually I would like to see 3d movement of cycles
18:14 <Mixnetwork> can't find it
18:14 <pippijn> but I think that's not possible
18:14 <pippijn> Mixnetwork: ladderlog.txt
18:14 <Mixnetwork> the files to push i mean
18:14 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: there was lots of development right after we moved to svn. apparently people wanted to test it with something useful
18:14 <z-man> pippijn: hah! let's see about that.
18:14 <pippijn> wrtlprnft: would it be possible with the current engine in theory?
18:14 <Mixnetwork> that i know
18:14 <wrtlprnft> the current engine is using a 2d coordinate class
18:14 <z-man> No, of course not :) It's strictly 2d.
18:14 <pippijn> hm
18:15 <pippijn> would it be hard to change?
18:15  * z-man is off to make his patented, egg-free pancake dough
18:15 <wrtlprnft> pippijn: probably.
18:15 <z-man> depends. In principle, you can just slap on the third coordinate, but many operations need to know the current "up" direction.
18:16 <Mixnetwork> someody know where i can get this : you need to push your ladderlog to luke to get included in his ranking stuff.
18:16 <wrtlprnft> multiple planes to move on would be nice already
18:16 <wrtlprnft> bridges and cubes and stuff
18:17 <wrtlprnft> Mixnetwork: i can give you the URI for the script
18:17 <Mixnetwork> kk
18:17 <Mixnetwork> thx
18:17 <wrtlprnft> but you'll need to ask luke-jr for an account
18:17 <Mixnetwork> oh, ok
18:17 <vinavil> wrtlprnft: am i supposed to change fts in ladle café. or you are going to host the ladle do it in fortress café? because i'm not sure i'll be able to manage with hacks.
18:17 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: ping
18:18 <wrtlprnft> hacks?
18:18 <wrtlprnft> Mixnetwork: http://dashjr.org/~armastats-srv/download/
18:18 <Mixnetwork> thx
18:18 <wrtlprnft> but as i said, it's useless w/o an account
18:18 <Mixnetwork> ok
18:18 <vinavil> do you remember that epsy changed for me the scoring in the code?
18:18 <wrtlprnft> oh, ok
18:19 <wrtlprnft> is there a match on ¦x¦?
18:19 <wrtlprnft> because if there is, you probably don't want to use either server
18:20 <vinavil> indeed, i just want to avoid confusion
18:22 <wrtlprnft> does x have any other server besides the sumo one?
18:23 <wrtlprnft> because the sumo server is on the same physical machine as café and fts
18:23 <wrtlprnft> and i don't know how it will cope with four full teams
18:27 <vinavil> i hope they are changing it soon
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18:28 <vinavil> epsy: you are right, but i'm trying to get another job at the moment, so i'm quite busy. sorry
18:35 <K-Yo> hi
18:35 <K-Yo> i have a question to devs and mathematicians
18:35 <K-Yo> for*
18:36 <K-Yo> i need to find an interesting topic to work on
18:36 <K-Yo> but i can't find something i don't know yet :s
18:37 <K-Yo> does any of you has an idea of topic where math aren't coarse but not too hars still ^^?
18:39 <vinavil> positive and negative
18:48 <K-Yo> hum
18:49 <K-Yo> that sound too deep or too light ><
18:53 <epsy> bbl i'ill be back for ladle
19:05 <z-man> K-Yo: Fractals are nice.
19:06 <K-Yo> i've thought a bit about it earlier
19:06 <K-Yo> i'll ask my teacher if it's not too "famous"
19:07 <K-Yo> because i'll show my work in front of a jury
19:07 <K-Yo> and they egt bored if you do the same thing as anyone else ><
19:07 <z-man> Like vocanos and solar systems on the science fair?
19:08 <K-Yo> ?
19:08 <K-Yo> what does "fair" mean?
19:08 <z-man> exhibition.
19:09 <z-man> Children do science projects and show them off to the teachers and other parents.
19:09 <z-man> Another nice subject are the various levels of infinity.
19:10 <flex> lol
19:10 <z-man> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_number
19:10 <z-man> you can do lots of interesting riddles with that :)
19:10 <z-man> http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/12/04/infinite-hotel
19:13 <K-Yo> "The infinite hotel can only accommodate a countably infinite number of guests" XD
19:15 <z-man> Yep. If aleph-1 guests arrive, there is no way you can fit them in.
19:15 <K-Yo> i'll keep that one in my list ;)
19:15 <z-man> However, countably many busses with countably many guests in each are no problem, even if the hotel is already full.
19:16 <K-Yo> the thing is there doesn't seem to be much things about it in french, i'll check in the library too
19:16 <K-Yo> thanks for the idea ;)
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19:17 <StickyNoob> when does ladel start?
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19:21 <z-man> StickyNoob: 7:30 GMT
19:21 <z-man> One hour.
19:21 <wrtlprnft> z-man: so you can't put a bus containing all real numbers into the hotel. aww.
19:22 <K-Yo> z-man what is your ladle fort port?
19:22 <StickyNoob> z-man: thanks
19:22 <z-man> Not in that one. On the next exit, there is the aleph-1 hotel. It's slightly more expensive, though, and not all rooms have windows with a nice view.
19:22 <K-Yo> lol
19:23 <z-man> K-Yo:4549
19:23 <K-Yo> ty ;)
19:23 <K-Yo> argh i can't through custom connect ><
19:23 <K-Yo> i'll go through server browser :D
19:24 <z-man> Server bookmarks work :)
19:24 <K-Yo> ah
19:24 <K-Yo> i'll have to delete one then
19:28 <wrtlprnft> z-man: nice write-up, though :-)
19:28 <wrtlprnft> > sking exactly how much larger is a good way to get mathematicians to swear at each other, and combined with a few rounds at the bar, can lead to predictably disastrous results.
19:28 <wrtlprnft> s/^> /&A/
19:29 <flex> what's the highest number ever counted? :D
19:29  * z-man will read it during the bring sieges on the ladle.
19:30 <wrtlprnft> the highest number ever used in a mathemathical proof is probably graham's number
19:30 <wrtlprnft> and A(G_64,G_64) makes your head explode
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19:39 <vinavil> any cter?
19:40 <flex> wrtlprnft, Quarter Finals - 7:30pm/11:30pm/2:30pm wont have cafe and |x|server playing at the same time so it's not an issue
19:40 <flex> then on the semi finals |x|server isn't gona be used i think?
19:43 <wrtlprnft> i don't care
19:43 <wrtlprnft> just make sure that you leave café in a playable state
19:44 <flex> lol
19:45 <K-Yo> vinavil, u need a cter?
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19:50 <StickyNoob> wrtlprnft: you can be comforted in the knowledge that no matter how good the server is people will complain
19:50 <StickyNoob> and probably blame it for them loosing
19:51 <Goodygumdrops> *probably* ?
19:51 <Goodygumdrops> :-D
19:51  * StickyNoob prepairs his LLLLAAAAGGGGG instant chats
19:52 <wrtlprnft> StickyNoob: well, i want to be able to say that it's not my fault
19:52 <wrtlprnft> or at least not be right when saying it anyways
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19:53 <Durka_> #hello
19:53 <armabot> Hello Durka_ :) Quote #29: "It was like playing a game with a ping of 3000. -- John Carmack, Founder, Armadillo Aerospace" (added by GodTodd at 05:34 AM, October 29, 2006)
19:53 <Goodygumdrops> durka shouldn't you be drunk by now?
19:53 <flex> hi durka
19:53 <pippijn> how can I send wave data to the microphone input?
19:53 <Durka_> dude
19:53 <Durka_> who does rain think is admining in WW fort?
19:53 <pippijn> I want to send some audio data over skype
19:53 <Goodygumdrops> haha, idk
19:53 <Durka_> o goody
19:53 <Goodygumdrops> if the login is the same
19:53 <Durka_> u use irc?
19:54 <Durka_> o_O
19:54 <Goodygumdrops> I can admin our match
19:54 <Durka_> ok
19:54 <Durka_> but there's a semi-final match
19:54 <Goodygumdrops> but 2nd round match I have no idea
19:54 <Durka_> on ww
19:54 <Goodygumdrops> yeah
19:54 <Goodygumdrops> no clue there
19:54 <Durka_> anyways
19:54 <Durka_> i can't play obviously
19:54 <Durka_> cya <3
19:54 <Goodygumdrops> bye
19:54 <StickyNoob> ive just completed medal of honor air born, ffs the games industry is making games shorter and shorter
19:54 <flex> pippijn urm the channels in the settings can be changed to hear sound
19:54 <Durka_> #m Lucifer_bed sup
19:54 <armabot> Durka_: The operation succeeded.
19:54 <flex> if that makes sense
19:55 <Durka_> ok well, someone has to give someone on °°ps or CT the password
19:55 <Durka_> goody knows it so o well
19:55 <Durka_> im out
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19:56 <Goodygumdrops> someone on oops?
19:56 <Goodygumdrops> manta's on oops
19:56 <Goodygumdrops> wtf is durka talkin about
19:56 <pippijn> flex: makes no sense
19:56 <pippijn> flex: what settings?
19:56 <flex> line out/in settings
19:56 <pippijn> where?
19:56 <pippijn> alsamixer?
19:56 <flex> i actually don't know..
19:57 <flex> i had issues with my microphone producing my speaker sounds with my speakers muted.. so there was interference somewhere
19:57 <pippijn> maybe just have the card capture output and send it to input?
19:57 <flex> so i guess it's possible
19:57 <flex> yeah something like that
19:57 <pippijn> but how? :)
19:57 <flex> lol :p
19:58 <flex> oh plug the microphone into the stero input? :p
19:58 <flex> stereo^
19:58 <pippijn> no..
19:59 <flex> i'm sure there's software also
19:59 <flex> have a look
20:00 <K-Yo> z-man u here?
20:00 <pippijn> flex: I looked at the alsa docs
20:00 <pippijn> didn't find anything
20:01 <pippijn> and jack can't do it
20:01 <vinavil> durka: mm?
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20:02 <flex> pippijn, you could always just put the microphone close to the speaker.
20:02 <Goodygumdrops> hi lacrymosa
20:02 <Lacrymosa> hi goody
20:02 <flex> voip isn't that clear to make a massive difference?
20:03 <vinavil> any doubt about ladle?
20:03 <Lacrymosa> does anybody know team combine?
20:03 <vinavil> no, i don't
20:03 <Goodygumdrops> only vaugely
20:03 <Goodygumdrops> I think 1200 is the captain
20:03 <Lacrymosa> c?
20:03 <Lacrymosa> aha
20:06 <P4> #si z-man
20:06 <armabot> P4: Z-Man's Ladle Fortress: Players (12/16): .:] flash, 1200, CtxWoned, ct|SeBoL158, CT׶4, cT¤K-Yo, i Am TeEn, °°AshitakA, °°Chuck, °°Concord, °°Hay-Lin, °°rain
20:06 <P4> server still up?
20:07 <K-Yo> i can't connect to it either
20:07 <vinavil> i do not know
20:08 <K-Yo> #si z-man
20:08 <armabot> K-Yo: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “z-man” at the moment, sorry.
20:08 <vinavil> errr
20:08 <vinavil> z-man, check the server please
20:09 <pippijn> 20747 pippijn   15   0 95760  28m 4764 S   11  1.4   6:33.47 skype
20:09 <pippijn> it eats 11% cpu
20:09 <pippijn> now 18%
20:10 <pippijn> fluctuating around 17-18%
20:10  * pippijn kicks skype
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20:11 <K-Yo> does anyone know what is "/promote" for?
20:13 <vinavil> z-man, server chrashed
20:13 <vinavil> crashed*
20:13 <vinavil> and it is not listed anymore
20:13 <z-man> No, it didn't, it's still running
20:13 <P4> #si z-man
20:13 <armabot> P4: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “z-man” at the moment, sorry.
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20:14 <z-man> Ah, now it timed everyone out.
20:14 <vinavil> z-man, we cannot see it
20:14 <vinavil> thx
20:15 <vinavil> server is up, cters join
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20:16 <joda_bot> hi all
20:16 <joda_bot> sry no one showed up for SP ... they DID not read the rules
20:16 <joda_bot> Can we still register for laddle ?
20:16 <joda_bot> ah work channel ;)
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20:17  * joda_bot is here and waits for instructions on where to find laddle cafee
20:19 <joda_bot> Your_mom_arma: ping
20:19 <Your_mom_arma> pong
20:19 <joda_bot> Lucifer_bed: Your_mom_arma: wrtlprnft: z-man: z-man-work: who is coodinating servers ?
20:19 <joda_bot> ah ;)
20:19 <joda_bot> cool
20:20 <Your_mom_arma> I guess z-man or rain
20:20 <joda_bot> aha ... rain ? is he here ?
20:20 <z-man> Nobody is coordinating
20:20 -!- freako [n=freako@cp601025-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #armagetron
20:20 <z-man> just look at the challenge board.
20:20 <vinavil> what?
20:21 <joda_bot> ;)
20:21 <joda_bot> ok, are we going to play on fortress cafe or will laddle cafe be up ?
20:22 -!- SP|freak [n=Admin@p54A18E73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #armagetron
20:22 <SP|freak> good evening ;)
20:22 <freako> fuck were only with 5 now :(
20:22 <freako> hi freaky :P
20:23 <SP|freak> hey freako :D
20:23 <freako> blargh stupid lacka and luzi :(
20:23 <Lackadaisical> im there
20:23 <freako> LACKA!!!!
20:24 <joda_bot> z-man Your_mom_arma vinavil: Will we play on fortress cafe or will laddle cafe be up
20:24 <vinavil> joda, fortress café
20:24 <freako> bbl
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20:24 <joda_bot> ok
20:25 <joda_bot> vinavil: will the server be locked ?
20:25 <joda_bot> vinavil: or moderated ?
20:25 <vinavil> i cannot help you in this, sorry
20:26 <joda_bot> vinavil: ok ... we're moving to DS server as it seems
20:26 <vinavil> perfect
20:26 <vinavil> i'm closing here
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20:31 <Stewie-arma> hmmm I see the ladle has gone to ruins again...
20:35 <Lackadaisical> well its the first one in a long time
20:35 <Lackadaisical> and without 2020..
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20:36 <Stewie-arma> damn that 2020!!!!
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21:07 <flex> vinavil, where is x playing..
21:08 <Lackadaisical> ladle cafe wasnt up was it?
21:11 <Lackadaisical> thats why ds and sp are playing at ds
21:14 <Goodygumdrops> is anyone from |x| here?
21:14 <joda_bot> right
21:19 <joda_bot> we lost 2:1 to DS
21:19 <Lackadaisical> anyone who concerns, is it ok  if we play the semis in zmans instead of ladle cafe since it isnt up?
21:19 <Lackadaisical> (x vs tkr)
21:20 <Lackadaisical> TKR vs .com 2:0 btw
21:20 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: I guess it is ... if empty ..
21:20 <K-Yo> CT won 2:1 vs °°ps
21:21 <P4> ^^
21:21 <joda_bot> haha.. just saw players dropping from server
21:21 <joda_bot> and  wondered ;)
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21:21 <joda_bot> wb vinavil
21:21 <vinavil> ty
21:21 <joda_bot> Lackadaisical: asked if "anyone who concerns, is it ok  if we play the semis in zmans instead of ladle cafe since it isnt up?"
21:21 <P4> hi joda_bot, ltns
21:21 <vinavil> °°ps lost
21:21 <joda_bot> hey P4
21:21 <vinavil> joda: ask z-man. for me it is ok
21:22 <joda_bot> z-man: thx for recording ... love to see some matches later
21:22 <z-man> sorry, gotta reboot the server really quickly
21:22 <joda_bot> :-)
21:22 <z-man> how much time for the semis?
21:22 <z-man> 15 minutes?
21:22 <joda_bot> already 15min late ;)
21:23 <joda_bot> don't worry
21:23 <joda_bot> should have started 21:15
21:23 <joda_bot> finals are scheduled for 22:00
21:23 <z-man> Oh :)
21:23 <z-man> oh dear
21:24 <Goodygumdrops> anyone from |x| here?
21:24 <Lackadaisical> i found them at x server
21:24 <Goodygumdrops> zman do you mind if we play semis in your server?
21:24 <Lackadaisical> theyre going to zmans now
21:24 <Goodygumdrops> great
21:25 <Goodygumdrops> my connexion to zman's just dropped :-\
21:25 <armabot> fts_feedback: Concord - that sucked
21:25 <z-man> Server is up.
21:25 <Goodygumdrops> cool
21:25 <Lackadaisical> (09:28:00 PM) z-man: sorry, gotta reboot the server really quickly
21:26 <Goodygumdrops> oh okay XD
21:26 <P4> #lastseen manta
21:26 <armabot> P4: °°Manta has last been seen on Z-Man's Ladle Fortress, Match in Process. 9 minutes ago.
21:26 <z-man> So who is going to play there again?
21:26 <joda_bot> good luck and have fun
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22:21 <z-man> Any news from the other semi? CT vs ?
22:24 <P4> CTvsDS 1:0 in matches
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22:34 <P4> CTvsDS 2:0
22:34 <Lackadaisical> x vs trk 2:1
22:35 <P4> CT vs X then :)
22:35 <Lackadaisical> with how many are you?
22:35 <flex> honestely what's up with all this ohhhh we beat you guys and we was only 6
22:36 <Lackadaisical> mm?
22:36 <flex> ever tried doing a 1v1 and only attacking? let's see what scores you get
22:36 <Lackadaisical> relax
22:36 <flex> na dude
22:36 <Lackadaisical> i was just asking how many ct had
22:36 <flex> not you lack
22:36 <flex> others
22:38 <Mixnetwork> hi all
22:39 <Mixnetwork> what is recommended for server setting DEDICATED_IDLE 0 or 24?
22:39 <flex> oh nice holding up the left side lack :)
22:39 <flex> usually you left 1 or 2 in
22:39 <Lackadaisical> haha
22:39 <flex> or right side
22:39 <flex> whatever
22:44 <Goodygumdrops> yeah, my next ladle team will have only two players, both attackers
22:44 <Goodygumdrops> I'm pretty sure we'll win
22:44 <Lackadaisical> haha
22:44 <Lackadaisical> i thought flash was attacking?
22:45 <Goodygumdrops> she was
22:45 <Goodygumdrops> and you and I were some
22:45 <Lackadaisical> yeah
22:45 <Goodygumdrops> I guess we should have realized that leaving sage alone on def was probably the best strategy
22:45 <Goodygumdrops> idk why we couldn't htink of that, man
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22:47 <Lackadaisical> well it kinda depends if x wouldve felt the need to torpedo, which they might not do if we weren't on def with so many people
22:47 <Goodygumdrops> it's really hard to say, but as far as I can tell, we started the match with 2 attackers and 4 on def
22:47 <Goodygumdrops> and if you have an 8 person team
22:47 <Goodygumdrops> 4 attack 4 def makes sense
22:47 <Goodygumdrops> and you sure wouldn't pull players off of def first
22:47 <Goodygumdrops> then we only had 5 start dropping back after torpedo attacks started and we were doing double def
22:47 <Goodygumdrops> that's my recollection
22:48 <Lackadaisical> yeah, i dont think three sweepers is unreasonable
22:48 <Goodygumdrops> not at all, even on an 8 person team
22:48 <Goodygumdrops> in fact we often did 3 sweepers in afl matches
22:48 <Goodygumdrops> and those were 6 v 6
22:50 <Goodygumdrops> anyways, thanks for playing with us lack
22:50 <Goodygumdrops> we'd love to play with you again sometime :-)
22:50 <Lackadaisical> yeah, you dont want to have more attackers on you than sweepers
22:50 <Lackadaisical> heh, yeah who knows ;) i had some good games
22:51 <Goodygumdrops> yep, food time, see you on the grid
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22:51 <Lackadaisical> cya later
22:53 <P4> 1:0 for CT :>
23:23 <Lackadaisical> what's the score now P4?
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23:43 <K-Yo> we lost
23:43 <K-Yo> 2:3
23:43 <K-Yo> ;)
23:43 <flex> urm 2?
23:43 <flex> you guys only won 1
23:43 <flex> i think?
23:43 <K-Yo> nope
23:43 <flex> we let 2 go?
23:43 <K-Yo> ur torp helped us win the second :P
23:43 <flex> ohh
23:43 <flex> ouch
23:43 <K-Yo> that was funny
23:43 <flex> how was that possible
23:43 <flex> lol
23:44 <K-Yo> i don't know
23:44 <K-Yo> still it is memorable XD
23:45 <flex> Lackadaisical, were you not there when kod on the afl1 were only 4maned?
23:45 <flex> they were only defending.. we never holed.. and it was quite close after they got used to the tactics
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