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Log from 2008-01-06:
--- Day changed Sun Jan 06 2008
00:02 <wrtlprnft> what the hell is a joyball?
00:02 <epsy> idk
00:02 <epsy> was wondering myself
00:02 <wrtlprnft> wikipedia doesn't know about it
00:02 <wrtlprnft> so it can't exist
00:03 <epsy> hrhr
00:03 <wrtlprnft> “„if it's not in the archives, it doesn't exist”
00:03  * wrtlprnft should stop quoting star wars
00:11 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft should stop quoting the bad part of star wars mostly!
00:11 <epsy> heh
00:12 <wrtlprnft> missa thinkin…
00:12 <wrtlprnft> or is it messa thinking?
00:13 <philippeqc> its exactly the kind of thing one doesnt want associated with his nick for as long as Internet exist!
00:13 <wrtlprnft> meh.
00:14 <philippeqc> Rule 17 of Internet: Don't quote Jar-Jar. Ever!
00:15 <philippeqc> it actually pushed down "Don't write using only caps!". Thats how important it is!
00:15  * epsy writes only lowercase
00:15 <madmax> maybe it's a ... trackball?
00:15 <wrtlprnft> HAHA LOLZ WTF OMG!!!
00:16 <philippeqc> you managed to spell it wrong!
00:17 <philippeqc> in CAPS-TALK, 3 exclamations points are always folled by at least a '1'.
00:17 <epsy> !!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111ONE11111
00:17 <wrtlprnft> i deliberately omitted that
00:17 <wrtlprnft> to annoy you
00:17 <philippeqc> When do you think OpenOffice and MS-Word will have a CAPS-TALK spell-checker?
00:17 <philippeqc> ;)
00:18 <epsy> when someone does it?
00:18 <wrtlprnft> those 1337 p33p5 don't use word
00:20 <philippeqc> Well, they do have a copied version on their hard-drive, so someone of them is bound to use it at some time.
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00:40 <philippeqc> http://www.theonion.com/content/video/in_the_know_is_the_government
00:41 <philippeqc> Should you be doing more to help your Paranoid Schizophrenic friends?
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00:58 <wrtlprnft> #night
00:58 <armabot> Good night wrtlprnft!
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01:51 <vinavil> #lastseen epsy
01:51 <armabot> vinavil: ¦×¦epsy has last been seen on Fortress Test Server 12 minutes ago.
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03:10 <luke-jr> #rating "°°rain"
03:11 <armabot> luke-jr: oorain is 317th with a rating of 1530-1569 (from 1529-1568)
03:13 <StickyNoob> #rating sticky
03:13 <armabot> StickyNoob: I don't know anything about 'sticky'!
03:13 <StickyNoob> heh
03:13 <StickyNoob> #rating "|x| sticky"
03:13 <armabot> StickyNoob: |x|_sticky is 261st with a rating of 1541-1588 (from 1519-1570)
03:14 <StickyNoob> woo, /me kicks rains ass
03:15 <StickyNoob> #rating "|x| fofo"
03:15 <armabot> StickyNoob: |x|_fofo is 88th with a rating of 1609-1650 (from 1599-1645)
03:15 <StickyNoob> humph
03:16 <StickyNoob> #rating madmax
03:16 <armabot> StickyNoob: madmax is 120th with a rating of 1592-1645 (from 1597-1653)
03:16 <StickyNoob> where is it getting these from?
03:16 <StickyNoob> is there a web interface?
03:19 <luke-jr> http://ratings.armagetronad.net
03:21 <StickyNoob> hmm mostly dominated buy rubber players
03:21 <StickyNoob> suppose there is sasha there
03:22 <luke-jr> well, since most servers are rubber, that makes sense
03:22 <luke-jr> people are "forced" to play rubber even when they're better without it
03:22 <StickyNoob> isnt the score normalised to the amount of time you have played for?
03:23 <luke-jr> amount of time played does not affect ratings directly
03:23 <StickyNoob> hmm
03:23 <luke-jr> though the RD defaults to a large value
03:23 <StickyNoob> i would have thought total points/time played would be a good heuristic
03:23 <luke-jr> #rating wrtltest1
03:24 <armabot> luke-jr: wrtltest1 is 2754th with a rating of 1150-1850
03:24 <luke-jr> 1150-1850 is the default range
03:24 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
03:24 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr is 896th with a rating of 1438-1484 (from 1468-1512)
03:24 <luke-jr> ☹
03:24 <StickyNoob> whats the range?
03:25 <luke-jr> it is 95% likely a person's skill level falls within the range
03:25 <StickyNoob> any chance of getting the raw data that generates these stats?
03:25 <luke-jr> what raw data?
03:25 <StickyNoob> generated on the fly?
03:25 <luke-jr> yes
03:25 <StickyNoob> hmm dam
03:26 <luke-jr> the database stores 8 values per player+system
03:26 <luke-jr> internal official: rating, deviation, volatility
03:26 <luke-jr> internal live: rating, deviation, volatility, v, delta
03:27 <StickyNoob> i still recon i can train a neural network to identify good play and rate people
03:27 <luke-jr> the latter two are the variables used by the endless loop of a player's rating
03:28 <luke-jr> tbh, I really don't understand how it works myself ☺
03:28 <luke-jr> http://math.bu.edu/people/mg/glicko/glicko2.doc/ if you want to try
03:29 <luke-jr> that is the algorithm I've implemented
03:29 <StickyNoob> hmm the maths dosent look too bad, but TRUELY understanding these things is always difficult
03:31 <luke-jr> I don't even try to truly understand it
03:31 <luke-jr> it was designed by a math professor for crying out loud! :þ
03:31 <StickyNoob> heh
03:31 <luke-jr> I'm just happy I understand what those symbols mean
03:32 <luke-jr> so I can turn them into code
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03:32 <luke-jr> and then after 3 or 4 refactors, have something where it computes the values on the fly
03:32 <StickyNoob> one of the best things i deal with is a statistical filter called the kalman filter, you can piss off anyone who works with them by asking them how they work, half the time the reply is magic
03:33 <luke-jr> O.o
03:33 <luke-jr> you a maths guy?
03:33 <StickyNoob> not realy, an enginner
03:33 <luke-jr> ok
03:34 <luke-jr> you can get the Glicko2 values with the raw_rating cmd tho
03:34 <luke-jr> via telnet or such
03:35 <luke-jr> heh
03:35 <StickyNoob> telnet?
03:35 <luke-jr> to ratings.armagetronad.net port 9999
03:35 <luke-jr> it would be cool to hack Arma so instead of showing a cycle's name, it also shows a % chance of winning against them
03:36 <luke-jr> so I can get away from the pros and pwn people I have 65%+ chance at
03:36 <StickyNoob> hhmmm i get "Connected to hachi.dashjr.org" then nothing
03:37 <luke-jr> raw_rating |x|_sticky
03:37 <StickyNoob> ahh
03:37 <StickyNoob> thats just durka durka land and CTWF
03:38 <luke-jr> read_rating and rank_rating does more processing
03:38 <luke-jr> I don't think DDL is participating
03:39 <luke-jr> two of the Swamplands, Eclipsed (non-trainer), Xzl/new, and a few others
03:56 <luke-jr> #rating goodkoen
03:56 <armabot> luke-jr: goodkoen is 2627th with a rating of 1181-1380 (from 1182-1379)
03:56 <luke-jr> #rating epsy
03:56 <armabot> luke-jr: epsy is 279th with a rating of 1538-1579 (from 1543-1586)
03:56 <luke-jr> #rating free-zombie
03:56 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about 'free-zombie'!
03:56 <luke-jr> :O
03:56 <luke-jr> #rating zion
03:56 <armabot> luke-jr: zion is 3634th with a rating of 968-1270
03:57 <luke-jr> #rating lackadastical
03:57 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about 'lackadastical'!
03:57 <luke-jr> #rating lackadaisical
03:57 <armabot> luke-jr: lackadaisical is 146th with a rating of 1582-1630 (from 1581-1629)
03:57 <luke-jr> #rating mazuffer
03:57 <armabot> luke-jr: mazuffer is 496th with a rating of 1499-1651 (from 1500-1650)
03:57 <luke-jr> so Lack's pretty much got Group 2 pwnt
03:57 <luke-jr> #rating Durka
03:57 <armabot> luke-jr: durka is 614th with a rating of 1479-1621 (from 1480-1621)
03:57 <luke-jr> #rating mkzelda
03:58 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about 'mkzelda'!
03:58 <luke-jr> #rating ender
03:58 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about 'ender'!
03:58 <luke-jr> stupid clans
03:58 <luke-jr> #rating dragon
03:58 <armabot> luke-jr: dragon is 1363rd with a rating of 1374-1538 (from 1375-1537)
03:58 <luke-jr> #rating Jose
03:58 <armabot> luke-jr: jose is 3563rd with a rating of 997-1508
03:58 <luke-jr> hey, I might actually win Group 4
03:58 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
03:58 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr is 897th with a rating of 1438-1484 (from 1468-1512)
03:58 <luke-jr> though both of them have a higher potential
04:10 <GodTodd> liar
04:13 <luke-jr> wtf?
04:22 <GodTodd> wtfw?
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08:39 <DrJoeTron> fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
08:41 <GodTodd> uuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
08:43 <DrJoeTron> hay hi
08:45 <GodTodd> yo
08:46 <DrJoeTron> whas happenin
08:48 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: you should start a paint story wiki
08:49 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah
08:49 <DrJoeTron> whys that
08:49 <luke-jr> it'd be cool?
08:50 <DrJoeTron> oh
08:50 <GodTodd> that means it'd be lame :/
08:52 <luke-jr> GodTodd must be a Windows user cuz I like Linux, eh?
08:55 <DrJoeTron> if u type in hacker
08:55 <DrJoeTron> lunex cums up
08:55 <DrJoeTron> my bro told me
08:56  * GodTodd notes he probably used linux before luke-jr even knew what it was...
08:59 <DrJoeTron> i just added a 500gb hard drive to my pc
08:59 <GodTodd> i added a 500gb external to my network
08:59 <DrJoeTron> mst3k takes up a shit load of space :(
08:59 <GodTodd> i bet
09:00 <DrJoeTron> 141GB for the entire series
09:00 <GodTodd> i wanted an external so's i could put all my video and audio on a portable storage device so's when we go on trips I gots all my entertainment thingamajigs and don't have to decide what to take :)
09:01 <DrJoeTron> heh thats why I kinda wanted to get one
09:01 <DrJoeTron> but i dont have the desk space
09:01 <DrJoeTron> i need to reaarange my desktop so i can fit my tablet right
09:01 <DrJoeTron> i
09:01 <GodTodd> i have it under my coffee/computer table right now...i'll probably share it from the upstairs fileserver tho
09:01 <DrJoeTron> 'm right handed with my mouse
09:02 <DrJoeTron> but i write and draw left handed
09:02 <GodTodd> wrong handed*
09:02 <DrJoeTron> dumb handed*
09:02 <GodTodd> i don't generally use a mouse...'less'n i hafta do somthing on one of the desktop peecees
09:03 <GodTodd> smth*
09:04 <GodTodd> man...the simplest shit hangs you up when planning out a novel :/
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09:10 <DrJoeTron> i hate this headset
09:10 <DrJoeTron> my other one just shat out on earlier this morning
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09:15 <GodTodd> i only have a broke ass headset
09:15 <GodTodd> heh
09:16 <GodTodd> stupid fucking photo keychain people
09:16 <GodTodd> who makes it fat32?
09:16 <GodTodd> bah
09:18 <GodTodd> i'ma try and convert it to ext3....it was only $10 anyways if i mess it up somehow ;)
09:24 <DrJoeTron> oh yeah
09:24 <DrJoeTron> i have no idea why they still do fat32
09:25 <GodTodd> well these people are nazi anyway...you can't even put pics on it in windows without using their software
09:26 <GodTodd> so i'm trying to get it seen on linux as a usb storage device
09:26 <GodTodd> :)
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09:33 <luke-jr> #rating ~>oo<~
09:33 <armabot> luke-jr: ~>oo<~ is 1385th with a rating of 1374-1750 (from 1150-1850)
09:47 <luke-jr> #rating epsy
09:47 <armabot> luke-jr: epsy is 282nd with a rating of 1539-1580 (from 1543-1586)
09:48 <luke-jr> #rating Fear
09:48 <armabot> luke-jr: fear is 1594th with a rating of 1348-1611 (from 1150-1850)
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09:48 <philippeqc> good morning!
09:50 <luke-jr> #rating epsy
09:50 <armabot> luke-jr: epsy is 266th with a rating of 1541-1582 (from 1543-1586)
09:50 <luke-jr> morning philippeqc
09:51 <philippeqc> I think I'm on my way to have a fix for zone v2
09:51 <philippeqc> at least i have a class that would allow better network updates!
09:55 <philippeqc> its a polynomial class. Sadly, its only for well, single value polynomial, so no sin or cos.
09:55 <philippeqc> but now that I have isolated the prob, someone might be able to exchange this class for a more general equation one.
09:55 <philippeqc> and how are you?
09:56 <philippeqc> (my mind is fuzzy, spent many later hours on that yesterday)
10:00 <luke-jr> #rating fear
10:00 <armabot> luke-jr: fear is 744th with a rating of 1463-1638 (from 1150-1850)
10:01 <philippeqc> luke-jr: what are the range values?
10:02 <luke-jr> I think the term is 95th percentile?
10:03 <luke-jr> 95% likelihood of the skill being in that range, compared with others
10:03 <luke-jr> #rating philippeqc
10:03 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about 'philippeqc'!
10:03 <luke-jr> philippeqc: you should play more :D
10:03 <philippeqc> yep, I know
10:04 <philippeqc> The old problem. If I'm awaken enough to play, I'm awaken enough to code. The trunk is majorly broken because of me. Difficult for me to enjoy a nice game then!
10:04 <luke-jr> heh
10:06 <luke-jr> #rating epsy
10:06 <luke-jr> he's pwning me ☹
10:06 <armabot> luke-jr: epsy is 254th with a rating of 1545-1586 (from 1543-1586)
10:06 <luke-jr> he's pwning me ☹
10:06 <luke-jr> #rating epsy
10:06 <armabot> luke-jr: epsy is 257th with a rating of 1545-1585 (from 1543-1586)
10:07 <freako02> #rating freako
10:07 <armabot> freako02: freako is 378th with a rating of 1522-1564 (from 1526-1565)
10:07 <luke-jr> :x
10:07 <freako02> wich servers this was based on?
10:07 <freako02> #rating tarrot
10:07 <luke-jr> freako02: a bunch
10:07 <armabot> freako02: tarrot is 958th with a rating of 1432-1512 (from 1433-1511)
10:07 <freako02> #rating .Fzx
10:07 <armabot> freako02: .fzx is 378th with a rating of 1522-1564 (from 1526-1565)
10:07 <luke-jr> #aka freako
10:07 <freako02> #rating heavoc
10:08 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿2141 gcc krat kratos freako .fzx
10:08 <armabot> freako02: I don't know anything about 'heavoc'!
10:08 <luke-jr> :o
10:08 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: actually, is there a list somewhere?
10:08 <luke-jr> you're sharing ratings with gcc?
10:08 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: a list?
10:08 <wrtlprnft> of servers
10:08 <freako02> lol
10:08 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: not really
10:08 <freako02> #rating gcc
10:08 <armabot> freako02: gcc is 378th with a rating of 1522-1564 (from 1526-1565)
10:08 <luke-jr> freako02: want me to break that link for you?
10:08 <freako02> ?
10:09 <luke-jr> so your rating isn't damaged by the bot
10:09 <freako02> no , doesnt matter ;)
10:09 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: actually, does it blindly believe any rename?
10:09 <freako02> think so
10:09 <freako02> im on 7x morelees
10:10 <freako02> is this on fort or sumo servers 2?
10:10 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: you have a better idea?
10:10 <epsy> it does :(
10:10 <luke-jr> freako02: yes
10:10 <freako02> im finally 1 at flower power though :)
10:10 <freako02> only that name is not on your ladder :(
10:10 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: not really
10:11 <wrtlprnft> as you don't have the IPs at your disposal
10:12 <epsy> freako02, Heavoc?
10:12 <luke-jr> Flower is participating last I checked
10:12 <freako02> duh,, of course im heavoc :/
10:12 <freako02> ;)
10:13 <freako02> #aka freako
10:14 <armabot> freako02: ¿2141 gcc krat kratos freako .fzx
10:14 <freako02> #aka .Fzx
10:14 <armabot> freako02: ¿2141 gcc krat kratos freako .fzx
10:14 <luke-jr> http://ratings.armagetronad.net/?system=ed <-- top 10 on flower power
10:14 <luke-jr> #aka .fzx
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10:14 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿2141 krat kratos freako .fzx
10:15 <luke-jr> deleted gcc ☺
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10:15 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: btw, your "flaw" is quite understandable if you think about it-- you gave it two unknowns and said one was better than the other ☺
10:15 <freako02> is it ok if i stick with the older one? were im 1 at? gimme some moment alone with it, dont ruin it for 10 mins with your ladder :(
10:15 <luke-jr> it kinda needs interaction from a known before it can be any use
10:16 <luke-jr> freako02: eh?
10:16 <freako02> nvm
10:16 <freako02> #aka heavoc
10:16 <armabot> freako02: I don't know anything about 'heavoc'!
10:16 <freako02> strange
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10:16 <luke-jr> clan tag?
10:16  * wrtlprnft wants to see a huge graphviz graph showing who dumped whom how many times
10:17 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: O.o
10:17 <luke-jr> not sure how you could visualize that
10:17 <freako02> heavoc should aka with me :(
10:17 <luke-jr> freako02: enter a server with your name, and rename to heavoc
10:17 <luke-jr> while you're there
10:17 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: emerge graphviz && man neato
10:17 <freako02> oh does it work like that :)
10:17 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: neato doesn't do many-to-many IIRC
10:17 <luke-jr> or maybe it does
10:17 <luke-jr> feel free to code it ;p
10:17 <wrtlprnft> it will probably look chaotic
10:18 <wrtlprnft> but it can do any number of connections
10:18 <wrtlprnft> maybe just take the top 100
10:18 <freako02> #aka heavoc
10:18 <luke-jr> do note I am not saving the info in that detail
10:18 <armabot> freako02: I don't know anything about 'heavoc'!
10:18 <wrtlprnft> x_X
10:18 <luke-jr> freako02: make sure it's freako->heavoc and nice vice versa
10:18 <freako02> #aka freako
10:18 <freako02> should work now. then
10:19 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: I save 8 values per server, and 8 values globally
10:19 <armabot> freako02: ¿2141 krat kratos freako .fzx
10:19 <luke-jr> nice=not
10:19 <luke-jr> freako02: make sure it's in a participating server too
10:19 <freako02> oh ok
10:19 <luke-jr> ;)
10:20 <luke-jr> I can't very well guess at renames occurring in others
10:20 <wrtlprnft> boo.
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10:21 <luke-jr> I should really add UID->FancyName associations sometime
10:21 <luke-jr> pulling from that XML of online players when I see a new one
10:21 <philippeqc> that would be neat!
10:22 <philippeqc> maybe even make a separate string for clan name and user name
10:22 <freako02> #aka freako
10:22 <armabot> freako02: ¿2141 krat kratos freako .fzx
10:22 <luke-jr> or better yet, poll the server in question when there's a new one
10:22 <luke-jr> so I get something current
10:22 <luke-jr> freako02: where are you attempting?
10:22 <wrtlprnft> i've got a hacky PHP arma client :)
10:22 <luke-jr> O.o
10:23 <luke-jr> AJAX Arma? XD
10:23 <wrtlprnft> it can read configutations, scores, all console messages and even chat :D
10:23 <wrtlprnft> no physics anywhere, though
10:23 <wrtlprnft> all i need to do someday is clean it up
10:23 <luke-jr> reverse engineered, I presume?
10:23 <wrtlprnft> from the source cod
10:23 <wrtlprnft> e
10:24 <luke-jr> o
10:24 <luke-jr> didn't know it was that readable
10:24 <luke-jr> lol
10:24 <wrtlprnft> actually it's fine once you figure out where to start
10:24 <luke-jr> heh
10:25 <freako02> wich servers is it participating? then i can up my rank a little, it sux now :(
10:25 <luke-jr> freako02: the only one with people playing is Xzl/new I think
10:25 <luke-jr> tho some wa!ze just entered another
10:25 <freako02> lol i tried it in Xzl old :(
10:26 <wrtlprnft> the problem is that i had an attempt at refactoring it and now it stopped working properly
10:26 <wrtlprnft> and i have no idea why
10:26 <luke-jr> tbb
10:26 <luke-jr> freako02: bug SD to get the script running on old :þ
10:28 <luke-jr> freako02: …
10:28 <luke-jr> freako02: you'd have just messed up 'freako' if I didn't exclude 'player_1' from renames
10:29 <freako02> lol cafe is in this rating 2?
10:29 <freako02> didnt know :(
10:30 <luke-jr> ah, is that which one it is? :þ
10:31 <freako02> yep ;)
10:35 <luke-jr> going to rename to heavoc?
10:35 <freako02> playing there
10:35 <luke-jr> …
10:36 <luke-jr> that's not what I asked :þ
10:36 <freako02> cokok
10:36 <freako02> i rename :(
10:36 <freako02> master*
10:36 <luke-jr> :þ
10:36 <luke-jr> #aka freako
10:36 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿2141 krat kratos freako .fzx heavoc
10:36 <freako02> hehe
10:37 <freako02> #ake heavoc
10:37 <luke-jr> #aka heavoc
10:37 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿2141 krat kratos .fzx heavoc freako
10:37 <luke-jr> interesting, it seems ordered by the most recent used last
10:38 <luke-jr> coincidence, really
10:38 <luke-jr> I'm not storing use times :þ
10:38 <freako02> haha, but still you are right with the ordering
10:39 <freako02> #lastseen legio
10:39 <armabot> freako02: timed out
10:39 <luke-jr> if I move the db to MySQL at some point, that might cease to be true
10:39 <freako02> how its storen now then?
10:40 <luke-jr> right now, I'm using Sqlite
10:40 <luke-jr> it's a 4.1 MB database
10:43 <freako02> but why would MySQL do it wrong? If it goes wrong there can be assigned numbers to every rename, keeping it in order
10:44 <luke-jr> who said it was wrong?
10:44 <luke-jr> there is no reason it should be in any order
10:44 <luke-jr> MySQL could store it differently for efficiency reasons, and it wouldn't be violating any rule
10:45 <luke-jr> for example, it might store it alphabetically to quicken locating names
10:45 <freako02> why are we doing this? does the order matter? we both think not?
10:46 <freako02> how many names it stores actually?
10:46 <luke-jr> ?
10:46 <luke-jr> 5284 names
10:46 <freako02> how much names it stores and can show with aka?
10:47 <luke-jr> 4103 UIDs
10:47 <luke-jr> any number of names can be associated with a uid
10:48 <wrtlprnft> at most 2^120 names per userid actually
10:48 <luke-jr> ?
10:49 <freako02> wrtl that would be xtreme :(
10:49 <luke-jr> SELECT name FROM names WHERE uid = ?
10:49 <luke-jr> that's the query aka uses
10:49 <wrtlprnft> well, there's ac tually less than 2^120 possible names in arma
10:49 <wrtlprnft> far less, come to think about it
10:49 <luke-jr> heh
10:49 <luke-jr> not once you add that utf8 code
10:49 <luke-jr> and filtered names are permitted utf8 chars
10:50 <luke-jr> I think
10:50 <wrtlprnft> well, we don't have utf8 support yet
10:50 <luke-jr> when will it be merged?
10:50 <luke-jr> I forget what the blockers were?
10:51 <luke-jr> just backward compatibility, maybe
10:53  * luke-jr ponders purging the unnamable uids
10:53 <freako02> #lasteen legio
10:53 <luke-jr> #aka ¿2511
10:53 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿2511
10:53 <luke-jr> like that one
10:55 <wrtlprnft> luke-jr: dunno actually
10:56 <luke-jr> 173 of those right now
10:56 <wrtlprnft> one problem iirc is that the connection type that's used for the server browser doesn't carry the client's version
10:57 <wrtlprnft> so the server can't know whether to send utf-8 names or not
10:57 <wrtlprnft> actually the request to get a server's name doesn't carry any info at all
10:57 <wrtlprnft> it's 6 bytes long :P
10:58 <wrtlprnft> of which 2 bytes indicate the request's length, 2 indicate that you want to get the server info, and 2 bytes are unused
10:59 <wrtlprnft> on the other hand, two extra bytes shouldn't harm old servers
11:00 <luke-jr> wrtlprnft: so XMPP at the same time would work
11:00 <wrtlprnft> /* no comment */
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11:01 <luke-jr> since ideally it would involve changing the server browser to use the XMPP standards for such things
11:01 <luke-jr> then the old protocol could be kept latin1
11:01 <epsy> wtf...
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11:02 <wrtlprnft> maybe it's just because the current trunk is unusable enough already
11:02 <luke-jr> i c
11:02 <luke-jr> is it a branch from trunk, then?
11:02 <wrtlprnft> yeah
11:04 <luke-jr> how does the branch handle server lists right now?
11:04 <luke-jr> does it assume UTF-8, or Latin-1?
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11:19 <wrtlprnft> latin-1, of course
11:23 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: what is in the 6 bytes to get a server name?
11:23 <philippeqc> maybe there is some place for a client version, or a size field that could be used to grow the size of the request
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11:47 <epsy> hmm
11:48 <epsy> my browser seems to interpret &#x3C; as <
11:48 <epsy> i mean, as if i was opening a tag
12:04 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: actually there is. it's just a normal nMessage
12:05 <wrtlprnft> you could increase the size and append a short indicating the version number
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13:01 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7477 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/ (16 files in 5 dirs): tPolynomial succesfully used to update a zone rotation
13:02 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft, luke-jr or anybody else: could you update your trunk and compile it?
13:21 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc: in progress…
13:21 <philippeqc> good
13:21 <philippeqc> hopefully, the server ip is the proper one now
13:22 <philippeqc> i get in my bookmarks here! Firewalled and all
13:22 <wrtlprnft> you mean that new build can connect to a 0.2.8 server?
13:22 <wrtlprnft> with zones
13:22 <philippeqc> nope
13:22 <philippeqc> didnt say that
13:23 <philippeqc> i used a trunk client and tried to bookmark my own server
13:23 <philippeqc> i even reached it and could play on it, which made me worried!
13:24 <wrtlprnft> ok, it built!
13:24 <philippeqc> good
13:24 <philippeqc> named "zonev2"
13:25 <wrtlprnft> #sd -v zonev2
13:25 <armabot> wrtlprnft: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “zonev2” at the moment, sorry.
13:25 <philippeqc> #sd -v zoneV2 teste
13:25 <armabot> philippeqc: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “zonev2 teste” at the moment, sorry.
13:25 <philippeqc> #sd -v zoneV2 test
13:25 <armabot> philippeqc: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “zonev2 test” at the moment, sorry.
13:26 <epsy> #sd -v test
13:26 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Test Server ( running 0.2.8_alpha20080101 unix dedic, url: http://www.armagetronad.net, Description: ““, Players (3/16): b0mBaA, Tr³zz, ¦×¦epsy
13:26 <philippeqc> #sd -v "zoneV2 test"
13:26 <armabot> philippeqc: There doesn't seem to be a server matching “zonev2” at the moment, sorry.
13:26 <epsy> #sd -v 2
13:26 <armabot> epsy: Shrunkland in 2.8.2 ( running unix dedicated, url: http://www.swamplords.com, Description: “Small grid, no brakes“, No online players.
13:26 <epsy> pf
13:26 <wrtlprnft> can't find one in my client, either
13:26 <philippeqc> weird, I could see it on the master list!!!
13:27 <wrtlprnft> ok, connected manually
13:27 <wrtlprnft> the server terminated our connection
13:27 <wrtlprnft> Resource philippeqc/fortress/newRotation-a.aamap.xml not found in cache. Downloading it, please be patient...
13:27 <wrtlprnft> Downloading http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/philippeqc/fortress/newRotation-a.aamap.xml ...
13:27 <wrtlprnft> ERROR: Return value 404 : File not found.
13:27 <philippeqc> try again
13:27 <philippeqc> wait!
13:28 <philippeqc> MAP_FILE philippeqc/fortress/newRotation-a.aamap.xml (http://www.geocities.com/philippeqc/maps/newRotation-a.aamap.xml)
13:28 <philippeqc> should get the geocities link
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13:28 <wrtlprnft> no space!
13:29 <philippeqc> ok
13:29 <philippeqc> MAP_FILE philippeqc/fortress/newRotation-a.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/philippeqc/maps/newRotation-a.aamap.xml)
13:29 <wrtlprnft> MAP_FILE is a nConfItem<tString> which means it can't contain spaces
13:29 <philippeqc> MAP_FILE philippeqc/fortress/newRotation-a.aamap.xml(http://www.geocities.com/philippeqc/maps/newRotation-a.aamap.xml)
13:29 <wrtlprnft> maybe do that on the server?
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13:29 <philippeqc> done it
13:30 <wrtlprnft> Downloading http://www.geocities.com/philippeqc/maps/newRotation-a.aamap.xml ...
13:30 <wrtlprnft> ERROR: Return value 404 : File not found.
13:31 <philippeqc> found it, fixing the file name on geocities
13:31 <philippeqc> ok
13:31 <wrtlprnft> now the server is down
13:31 <wrtlprnft> nvm
13:31 <wrtlprnft> mathias lost 2 points since it caused a general protection fault.
13:31 <wrtlprnft> Armagetron Advanced: [BUG] Segmentation fault
13:32 <wrtlprnft> lol?
13:32 <philippeqc> my client died
13:32 <philippeqc> how do you kill the server from its command prompt?
13:32 <wrtlprnft> server down
13:32 <wrtlprnft> QUIT
13:32 <wrtlprnft> or ctrl-c
13:33 <philippeqc> tried and tried, took 30+ sec for it to die
13:33 <philippeqc> now up again
13:33 <wrtlprnft> 0x08109b5f in zZone::Render2D (this=0x8ee9d8c, scale={x = 8.75044727, y = 8.75044727}) at tron/zone/zZone.cpp:679
13:33 <wrtlprnft> 679         shape->render2d(scale);
13:33 <wrtlprnft> (gdb) p shape
13:33 <wrtlprnft> $1 = {target = 0x0}
13:34 <wrtlprnft> http://wrtlprnft.pastebin.ca/843753
13:34 <philippeqc> strange
13:34 <philippeqc> connect once more plz
13:35 <wrtlprnft> wait a sec
13:35 <wrtlprnft> i think it's the HUD code
13:35 <philippeqc> it is
13:35 <philippeqc> render2d
13:35 <philippeqc> well, could be zShape code too
13:36 <wrtlprnft> still crashes without a hud map
13:36 <philippeqc> got it too, but only if you are there
13:37 <wrtlprnft> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
13:37 <wrtlprnft> 0x081102be in zShape::TimeStep (this=0x0, time=0.0170842502) at tron/zone/zShape.cpp:150
13:37 <wrtlprnft> 150         lasttime_ = time;
13:37 <wrtlprnft> not a hud problem now :D
13:37 <philippeqc> wow
13:38 <wrtlprnft> #1  0x0810a8cf in zZone::Timestep (this=0x8ed9b8c, time=0.0170842502) at tron/zone/zZone.cpp:445
13:38 <wrtlprnft> 445         shape->TimeStep( time );
13:38 <wrtlprnft> if that matters
13:38 <wrtlprnft> this->shape is null there
13:38 <philippeqc> shape seems to be null
13:38 <philippeqc> yes
13:39 <philippeqc> while playing alone agains it, never had such issue! Strange
13:39 <philippeqc> doesnt help to debug  much
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13:48 <Vanhayes> #ping
13:48 <armabot> pong
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13:50 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: zZone sends update about the shape, but the receiving code doesnt know yet about the shape, and seems to discard them, leaving the shape to null.
13:54 <wrtlprnft> can't it queue unused shapes somehow and wait for the corresponding zone to arrive?
13:55 <philippeqc> good question, I have no idea!
13:55 <philippeqc> this is REALLY old code
13:56 <philippeqc> read sync shape 2206
13:56 <philippeqc> Received zShape::ReadCreate with id 2205 2205
13:56 <philippeqc> read sync shape 2161
13:56 <philippeqc> Received zShape::ReadCreate with id 3 3
13:57 <philippeqc> they should be the same numbers!
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14:05 <philippeqc> wait, apple and oranges! those are id of zone and shape, not only of shape!
14:17 <philippeqc> fixed all the references to null shapes!
14:18 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7478 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tron/zone/ (zShape.cpp zZone.cpp): Verify that the shape is defined before using it
14:19 <philippeqc> zShapes arrive AFTER their zones, and that cause a small possible window where the HUD would be updated, trying to refer to a null pointer
14:19 <philippeqc> wrtlprnft: it should work now
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14:24 <madmax> #sd nexus
14:24 <armabot> madmax: Nexus9 (NO RUBBER!): No online players.
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14:34 <philippeqc> I'd need help from anyone that can compile the trunk and connect to my server
14:35 <cusco> that is doable, my internet connection is slow tho
14:36 <philippeqc> ok
14:36 <cusco> ok hold on
14:36 <philippeqc> that will actually be good.
14:36 <philippeqc> it might show up more problems
14:37 <cusco> updating from svn... zzzzz
14:37 <philippeqc> ;)
14:38 <cusco> bootstrapping
14:38 <philippeqc> not so slow afterward!
14:38 <cusco> its ok
14:38 <cusco> dl speed 10K p sec
14:39 <philippeqc> dial-up ?
14:39 <philippeqc> so it compares to dial-up?
14:39 <cusco> no... itsuposed to be 6Mb connection
14:39 <cusco> but... its rubbish.. dobn't ask
14:41 <philippeqc> k
14:42 <cusco> make clean takes long :/
14:43 <philippeqc> my it sure does!
14:43 <cusco> hehe nearly there
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14:50 <wrtlprnft> back
14:50 <cusco> philippeqc: whats the server
14:50 <wrtlprnft> updating…
14:50 <philippeqc> zoneV2 test
14:50 <wrtlprnft> cusco: src/armagetronad_main --connect c83-250-137-7.bredband.comhem.se
14:50 <wrtlprnft> ;)
14:51 <philippeqc> ??? wrtlprnft
14:51 <cusco> thats your ip allright
14:51 <cusco> .se?
14:52 <philippeqc> yes
14:52 <philippeqc> yes sweden
14:58 <Vanhayes> #sd cafe
14:58 <armabot> Vanhayes: Fortress Café: Players (16/32): DePleTed, !RyRy!, Beta, Colos, Concord, CTT-Gonzap, cttK-Yo, CTT_emmy, earplugs, eSchumi, Mukaltin, sin, ~|DS-T|~G5, ~|DS|~ Plage, ~|DS|~ segv, ~|DS|~|Alien|~
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15:04 <Vanhayes> #armaservers
15:04 <armabot> Vanhayes: This data is 118 seconds old; Fortress Café (13/32), Fortress Café (12/32), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (11/14), Crazy Tronners Wild Fortress (10/14), SPACEZONE III (9/15), Wild West  =Capture The Flag=  ~Multi~Mode~ (8/16), WILDCAT (8/8), SPACEZONE III (8/15), Wild West  =Capture The Flag=  ~Multi~Mode~ (8/16), WILDCAT (8/8), Norm's Place (6/12), Norm's Place (6/12), Tigers Network (2 more messages)
15:05 <g5vc> #serverinfo
15:05 <armabot> g5vc: Usage: #serverdetails [-v] {name}
15:05 <g5vc> #serverdetails norm
15:05 <armabot> g5vc: Norm's Place: Players (6/12): Ange Noir, easytiger, killerbees19, name, Old Sitch FR, ¦A¦¦--->
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15:08 <philippeqc> thanks for the help!
15:11 -!- madmax_ is now known as madmax
15:12 <madmax> yello Vanhayes :-D
15:12 <madmax> where have you been?
15:18 <armabot> pld: blekot * SPECS/armagetronad.spec:
15:25 <epsy> blekot? O_o
15:25 <epsy> er
15:25 <epsy> >.>
15:25 <epsy> think -> write not write -> think
15:28 <K-Yo> >>
15:28 <K-Yo> ><
15:28 <epsy> Exactly!
15:41 <Vanhayes> hey madmax, im in alberta working right now, havent had internetécomputer for a while
15:41 <Vanhayes> internet/computer*
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15:53 <Vanhayes> bbl maybe
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16:02 <epsy> wow finally solved the FTS bugs :)
16:03 <guru3> antivirus for windows, what do people use?
16:04 <epsy> linux
16:04 <guru3> ... yes, now that you've played the obvious card, do you have a serious answer?
16:04 <epsy> avast?
16:04 <epsy> sorry, i meant "Avast!"?
16:05 <guru3> ok
16:05 <epsy> it's free but you4ill need to register
16:05 <guru3> indeed
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17:14 <luke-jr> btw, is it true Vista Ultimate has a builtin X server?
17:16 <luke-jr> #rating g5vc
17:16 <armabot> luke-jr: g5vc is 131st with a rating of 1586-1779 (from 1653-1868)
17:16 <luke-jr> #aka g5vc
17:16 <armabot> luke-jr: ¿3954 g5vc
17:17 <g5vc> omg
17:17 <g5vc> whatta..
17:17 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
17:17 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr is 703rd with a rating of 1470-1514 (from 1453-1495)
17:18 <epsy> 200 ranks wow
17:18 <luke-jr> g5vc
17:18 <luke-jr> epsy: ?
17:18 <g5vc> wtf:(
17:18 <epsy> luke-jr, yesterday you were 900th :p
17:18 <luke-jr> g5vc: stop pwning me
17:18 <luke-jr> epsy: a LOT of people around the same rating as me
17:18 <luke-jr> each rank is like 0.001 different
17:19 <epsy> rofl
17:20 <luke-jr> epsy: do me a favour?
17:20 <luke-jr> say g5vc randomly
17:20 <g5vc> oowow
17:20 <epsy> g5vc randomly
17:20 <luke-jr> …
17:20 <g5vc> lol
17:20 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
17:20 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr is 716th with a rating of 1469-1512 (from 1453-1495)
17:20 <luke-jr> if you don't, that # goes up
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17:24 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
17:24 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr is 681st with a rating of 1473-1517 (from 1453-1495)
17:25 <luke-jr> #rating Aurora
17:25 <armabot> luke-jr: aurora is 158th with a rating of 1578-1808 (from 1503-1915)
17:25 <g5vc> :D
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17:32 <luke-jr> #rating ct_ky13
17:32 <armabot> luke-jr: ct_ky13 is 469th with a rating of 1505-1556 (from 1507-1554)
17:32 <g5vc> #rating g5vc
17:32 <armabot> g5vc: g5vc is 161st with a rating of 1576-1733 (from 1653-1868)
17:33 <g5vc> #rating g5vc
17:33 <armabot> g5vc: g5vc is 166th with a rating of 1575-1727 (from 1653-1868)
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17:44 <K-Yo> #rating cttK-Yo
17:44 <armabot> K-Yo: cttk-yo is 374th with a rating of 1521-1603 (from 1430-1539)
17:44 <K-Yo> #rating |<
17:44 <armabot> K-Yo: |< is 374th with a rating of 1521-1603 (from 1430-1539)
17:45 <K-Yo> yeah, me and my shadow have the same rank^
17:45 <K-Yo> .aka cttk-yo
17:45 <K-Yo> #aka cttk-yo
17:45 <armabot> K-Yo: ¿4190 cttk-yo2 tan cttk-yo |<
17:47 <luke-jr> #rating "the news"
17:47 <armabot> luke-jr: the_news is 1112th with a rating of 1414-1756 (from 1150-1850)
17:48 <luke-jr> K-Yo: same person
17:48 <K-Yo> thank you luke-jr T.T
17:50 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
17:50 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr is 613th with a rating of 1480-1523 (from 1453-1495)
17:55 <luke-jr> #rating g5vc
17:55 <armabot> luke-jr: g5vc is 215th with a rating of 1558-1697 (from 1653-1868)
17:55 <K-Yo> #rating gameboo
17:55 <g5vc> 215 wtf?
17:55 <armabot> K-Yo: I don't know anything about 'gameboo'!
18:02 -!- ghableska [n=ghablesk@12-214-219-145.client.mchsi.com] has joined #armagetron
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18:04 <luke-jr> #rating g5vc
18:04 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
18:04 <armabot> luke-jr: g5vc is 236th with a rating of 1551-1678 (from 1653-1868)
18:04 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr is 562nd with a rating of 1490-1531 (from 1453-1495)
18:07 -!- fonkay [n=dreamboa@hlfxns0161w-142068050039.pppoe-dynamic.ns.aliant.net] has joined #armagetron
18:16 <K-Yo> #rating ctxp4
18:16 <armabot> K-Yo: ctxp4 is 352nd with a rating of 1526-1583 (from 1528-1583)
18:16 <K-Yo> #rating |<
18:16 <armabot> K-Yo: |< is 378th with a rating of 1521-1603 (from 1430-1539)
18:16 <K-Yo> ':(
18:16 <K-Yo> :'(
18:16 <K-Yo> #rating ctxwoned
18:16 <armabot> K-Yo: ctxwoned is 473rd with a rating of 1505-1556 (from 1507-1554)
18:16 <K-Yo> =D
18:31 <luke-jr> #rating "<St|> Yo Momma"
18:31 <armabot> luke-jr: <st|>_yo_momma is 1078th with a rating of 1417-1537 (from 1395-1522)
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18:38 <luke-jr> #rating g5vc
18:38 <luke-jr> he killed frozen :o
18:38 <armabot> luke-jr: g5vc is 203rd with a rating of 1565-1670 (from 1653-1868)
18:39 <g5vc> yes, but i had lag there
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18:39 <g5vc> 200+
18:39 <g5vc> bad luke.
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18:42 <luke-jr> #rating .dro
18:42 <luke-jr> #rating lm80
18:42 <armabot> luke-jr: .dro is 204th with a rating of 1563-1935 (from 1150-1850)
18:42 <armabot> luke-jr: lm8o is 1619th with a rating of 1347-1501 (from 1294-1458)
18:49 <luke-jr> #rating noob_saibot
18:49 <armabot> luke-jr: noob_saibot is 3746th with a rating of 944-1335
18:50 <l1eNeG> бля
18:52 <l1eNeG> хде вы все епть
18:53 <luke-jr> #rating lm80
18:53 <armabot> luke-jr: lm8o is 1793rd with a rating of 1320-1461 (from 1294-1458)
18:55 <cusco> #rating madmax
18:55 <armabot> cusco: madmax is 116th with a rating of 1594-1646 (from 1597-1644)
18:59 <l1eNeG> [~]D
18:59 <l1eNeG> пейти пиво
19:00 <epsy> #tea
19:00 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: Players (6/32): $atm$:I.C.U @.@, CTT_rugkei, DePleTed, H4ck3r, Serpente915, °°pixel
19:00 <P4> пиво ftw :)
19:01 <epsy> sure
19:01 <l1eNeG> пем все сень празьник
19:01 <P4> l1eNeG: english please
19:02 <l1eNeG>  ok
19:06 <luke-jr> #rating .dro
19:06 <armabot> luke-jr: .dro is 522nd with a rating of 1497-1665 (from 1150-1850)
19:09 <luke-jr> #rating .dro
19:09 <armabot> luke-jr: .dro is 849th with a rating of 1449-1606 (from 1150-1850)
19:09 <luke-jr> wow
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19:34 <wrtlprnft> epsy: your rss feed works like a charm :)
19:35 <wrtlprnft> although i think it has too few messages in its queue
19:35 <wrtlprnft> might be easy to miss one if you don't update really often
19:36 <epsy> 40 is too few ?
19:36 <wrtlprnft> doesn't look like 40 to me
19:37 <wrtlprnft> or did you prune it manually
19:37 <epsy> wrtlprnft, btw allow_team_shuffle_up 0 sucks
19:37 <epsy> yes
19:37 <epsy> on restart it gets back to 0
19:37 <wrtlprnft> epsy: everyone tells me something different…
19:37 <epsy> lol
19:37  * wrtlprnft goes reenable it
19:38 <wrtlprnft> until somone asks me to disable it, that is
19:38 <wrtlprnft> will be enabled at the next server restart
19:38 <wrtlprnft> Posted at Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:46:15 GMT by °°Concord with ip actually -1 idk
19:39 <wrtlprnft> what triggers it to interpret something as feedback?
19:40 <madmax> shuffle_up 0 rocks!
19:40  * wrtlprnft will ignore further requests for a couple of hours
19:40 <wrtlprnft> epsy: how much did you hack the server?
19:40 <madmax> :-(
19:40 <wrtlprnft> because ¦x¦ is running on the same code
19:41 <epsy> i didn't touch the server itself why?
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19:41 <wrtlprnft> oh, ok
19:41 <wrtlprnft> 19:40 <vinavil> now we have the whole epsy hack
19:41 <wrtlprnft> that's why i thought you hacked the server
19:42 -!- Concord [n=Mrpresid@pool-72-93-80-138.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron
19:42 <epsy> ah
19:42 <epsy> lol
19:43 <vinavil> sorry, he said he needed to, so i thought he did :)
19:43 <Concord> who?
19:44 <vinavil> concord: i was telling to wrtl :)
19:44 <epsy> wrtlprnft, wish the bot could announce it :O
19:44 <wrtlprnft> announce what?
19:44 <wrtlprnft> the rss feed?
19:44 <Concord> oh, /me
19:45 <epsy> wrtlprnft, yes
19:45 <vinavil> epsy: can you add !score that print the actual scoring system?
19:46 <wrtlprnft> actually it's possible
19:46 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot
19:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: That registry variable has no value.  Use the list command in this plugin to see what variables are available in this group.
19:46 <wrtlprnft> #list supybot
19:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Error: 'supybot' is not a valid plugin.
19:46 <wrtlprnft> #config list supybot
19:46 <Concord> that'd be good, especially when the scoring is going to be in flux
19:46 <armabot> wrtlprnft: @abuse, @capabilities, @commands, @databases, @debug, @directories, @drivers, @log, @networks, @nick, @plugins, @protocols, @replies, @reply, alwaysJoinOnInvite, defaultIgnore, defaultSocketTimeout, externalIP, flush, followIdentificationThroughNickChanges, ident, pidFile, snarfThrottle, upkeepInterval, and user
19:46 <epsy> vinavil, ok
19:47 <vinavil> epsy: i'll post an example of it in #vinavil
19:47 <epsy> wrtlprnft, do not publish the feed url neither the itm's description pls :/
19:48 <wrtlprnft> itm?
19:48 <epsy> *item
19:48 <wrtlprnft> i thought you wanted the feed to be announced here
19:48 <epsy> the feed's *contents*
19:49 <wrtlprnft> well, i can't tell armabot to announce it here without publishing the URI
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19:49 <epsy> let's say i publish a second feed with ips stripped
19:49 <wrtlprnft> i suggest you make a stripped down version and move the original one somewhere safer
19:49 <epsy> ^^
19:49 <madmax> what's the feed about?
19:50 <wrtlprnft> the current location isn't exactly hard to find
19:50 <wrtlprnft> epsy: and note that i stripped the IP of the one entry i pasted in here
19:50 <epsy> heh
19:51 <epsy> well i don't really know where else to put it
19:51 <wrtlprnft> put it into a subdir under an obscure name
19:52 <wrtlprnft> and use .htaccess to disable autoindexing
19:52 <vinavil> madmax: feedback from Fortress Test Server: feed://www.armagetron.at/~rain/feedback.rss
19:52 <wrtlprnft> lol
19:52 <wrtlprnft> poor epsy 
19:52  * wrtlprnft didn't do it!
19:52 <epsy> lol
19:52  * epsy slaps vinavil hard
19:52 <vinavil> why?
19:52 <vinavil> is it a secret?
19:53 <epsy> there are sensible information in it
19:53 <wrtlprnft> it contains the ips of the people who are in it
19:53 <epsy> IPs
19:54 <wrtlprnft> epsy: why don't you just get rid of the ips altogether?
19:54  * madmax just asked what was it about
19:54 <wrtlprnft> you can still look them up if you really need them
19:54 <madmax> nice idea
19:54 <epsy> ok
19:54 <wrtlprnft> oh, and do escape < and >, please
19:54 <epsy> i did
19:55 <wrtlprnft> one of the first entries wasn't escaped
19:55 <wrtlprnft> actually it was in the title, but not in the message
19:55 <wrtlprnft> <i has dum nik> - bug u still ?
19:55 <wrtlprnft> Posted at Sun, 06 Jan 2008 10:28:45 +0000 by with ip bug u still ?
19:55 <vinavil> sorry, i forgot about IPs
19:55 <epsy> yes i was actually testing it :p
19:56 <wrtlprnft> ah
19:56 <epsy> now it's fixed
19:57 <vinavil> can we fix the characters? it shows °° as a. doesn't it use utf8?
19:57 <epsy> i see it fine
19:57 <vinavil> which browser?
19:58 <epsy> firefox
19:59 <vinavil> mmm
19:59 <wrtlprnft> the file is in latin-1 and served as latin-1
19:59 <vinavil> :(
19:59 <vinavil> why not utf8?
19:59 <wrtlprnft> because arma doesn't use utf-8
20:00 <wrtlprnft> as the uri is already published…
20:00 <wrtlprnft> #help rss add
20:00 <armabot> wrtlprnft: (rss add <name> <url>) -- Adds a command to this plugin that will look up the RSS feed at the given URL.
20:01 <epsy> stripped IPs
20:01 <wrtlprnft> #rss add fts_feedback http://www.armagetron.at/~rain/feedback.rss
20:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:01 <wrtlprnft> #fts_feedback
20:01 <armabot> wrtlprnft: Concord - I like no holes || °°rain - you will be eradicated! || Concord - cool || Concord - there should be /score cmd that displays the scoring system || °°rain: longball - to leave feedback about this server || Longball|MBC - this server suck || Longball|MBC - scoring needs to give credit to individuals || Longball|MBC - make small holes || Longball|MBC - make small holes || °°Concord - (1 more message)
20:02 <wrtlprnft> #channel #armagetron plugins.RSS.announce fts_feedback
20:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:02 <wrtlprnft> #channel #armagetron plugins.RSS.announce
20:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: fts_feedback
20:02 <wrtlprnft> someone willing to test it?
20:02 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod
20:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: 2
20:02 <wrtlprnft> #config supybot.plugins.RSS.waitPeriod 60
20:02 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:03 <epsy> done :P
20:03 <wrtlprnft> it *should* notify us within 60 seconds…
20:03 <epsy> hrhr
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20:03 <armabot> New news from fts_feedback: ¦×¦Player 1 2.0 - this epsy sucks i want a new epsy =(
20:04 <wrtlprnft> INFO 2008-01-06T20:06:49 Checking for announcements at <http://www.armagetron.at/~rain/feedback.rss>
20:04 <wrtlprnft> ah, there you go
20:04 <epsy> magic :O
20:04 <vinavil> so,
20:04 <wrtlprnft> #channel #armagetron plugins.RSS.announcementPrefix ""
20:04 <armabot> wrtlprnft: The operation succeeded.
20:04 <madmax> this could be used to announce match results on ladles, afls…
20:04 <wrtlprnft> to get rid of the “New news from ”
20:05 <vinavil> i said it once and got slapped, but you are repeating it endless :D
20:05 <epsy> vinavil, !help so you can have multiple help messages, working on it :)
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20:05 <vinavil> i'm banned
20:05 <vinavil> huh
20:05 <wrtlprnft> vinavil: well, you said it once, anyone who wants to know it can get it
20:06 <wrtlprnft> so i'll just repeat it however often i want
20:06 <vinavil> so, i gave you the possibility to repeat t :)
20:06 <wrtlprnft> and i'm counting on epsy to get rid of the IPs
20:06 <vinavil> hehe
20:06 <epsy> wrtlprnft, if you speak of the way athentificating admins, it's already done
20:06 <vinavil> epsy: what about !match to reconfigure the server for tournament matches
20:07 <epsy> one thing at a time :«
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20:07 <vinavil> epsy: sorry :D
20:07  * wrtlprnft spoke of nothing O_o
20:07 <vinavil> epsy: i think wrtl meant only the rss part of it
20:07 <epsy> wrtlprnft, the IPs where ?
20:07 <wrtlprnft> in the feed
20:07 <luke-jr> #rating opo
20:07 <epsy> where do you see IPs? :D
20:07 <armabot> luke-jr: opo is 1708th with a rating of 1334-1434 (from 1301-1409)
20:08 <wrtlprnft> ah
20:08 <vinavil> epsy: wtf, you are too fast
20:08 <vinavil> drink less coffee
20:08 <epsy> lool
20:08 <madmax> yeah, some weird chars in NetNewsWire here
20:09  * epsy is thinking about the !help source file
20:09 <epsy> just dummy hp or...
20:09 <epsy> *php
20:09 -!- Concord [n=Redwood@pool-72-93-80-138.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit]
20:09 <vinavil> why isn't arma written in utf8?
20:10 <epsy> because it's old?
20:10 <vinavil> ah
20:10  * epsy hides
20:11 <wrtlprnft> there's a branch that supports utf-8
20:11 <wrtlprnft> but we're not merging it because the trunk is already broken enough
20:12 <madmax> why do players use odd looking chars on their nicks? :-)
20:12 <wrtlprnft> it's my fault that they can :-(
20:12 <wrtlprnft> bbl
20:14 <luke-jr> lol
20:14 <luke-jr> #rating madmax
20:14 <armabot> luke-jr: madmax is 118th with a rating of 1592-1648 (from 1594-1646)
20:14 <luke-jr> :o
20:14 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr
20:14 <armabot> luke-jr: luke-jr is 529th with a rating of 1496-1537 (from 1486-1526)
20:15 <luke-jr> I'm gettin better
20:18 <madmax> does it consider long absence periods?
20:18  * vinavil wonders how to be unbanned
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20:31 <epsy> vinavil, ask me ?
20:31 <epsy> :P
20:31 <vinavil> heh
20:31 <vinavil> i've been unbanned :)
20:32 <epsy> vinavil, you should be unbanned now
20:32 <vinavil> heh
20:32 <vinavil> epsy: stop to spam the feed :D
20:32 <epsy> next time it happens echo "UNBAN_IP ip" >> console_input.txt
20:33 <epsy> that's really abusing the purpose of console_input.txt but blah
20:33 <vinavil> ah epsy, you made it go new line in feedbacks, perfect
20:34 <epsy> yes :)
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23:06 <luke-jr> #rating ::a
23:07 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about '::a'!
23:07 <luke-jr> #rating luke-jr:live
23:07 <armabot> luke-jr: I don't know anything about 'luke-jr:live'!
23:07 <luke-jr> hm
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