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Log from 2007-12-30:
--- Day changed Sun Dec 30 2007
00:01 <eddiefantastic> wb
00:01 <vinavil> ty
00:01 <vinavil> can you repeat please
00:01 <vinavil> what do i have to do?ù
00:03 <eddiefantastic> ungroup the eclipse
00:03 <eddiefantastic> I think that might actually be enough
00:04 <eddiefantastic> t worked for me
00:04 <eddiefantastic> *that worked for me
00:06 <eddiefantastic> I need to go now, bye and good luck
00:06 <eddiefantastic> send us an email if you need help with anything
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00:07 <vinavil> ok, thx eddie
00:07 <eddiefantastic> yw
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00:23 <luke-jr> eddiefantastic:
00:40 <vinavil> luke-jr: why is the repo so slow?
00:44 <vinavil> i bet i can eat a hamburger meanwhile it loads
00:44 <vinavil> or 2
00:46 <vinavil> well, maybe 3...
00:46 <vinavil> 6 minutes to load it
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01:04 <vinavil> anybody want to try FTS?
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01:10 <K-Yo> rain u here?
01:10 <K-Yo> i can't join at all
01:11 <K-Yo> it loads settings then says that the map oculd not be loaded
01:11 <vinavil> odd
01:11 <K-Yo> ERROR: ctxt is NULL
01:11 <vinavil> the others are in there
01:11 <vinavil> try to restart arma
01:11 <K-Yo> i'm trying dl it normally
01:11 <K-Yo> i tryed
01:11 <K-Yo> i tried with old version too
01:11 <K-Yo> meybe it's wista ;)
01:12 <K-Yo> http://resource.armagetronad.net/resource/rain/fortress/fortress-0.2.aamap.xml
01:12 <K-Yo> is thiis the good url?
01:13 <vinavil> of course
01:13 <zmanuel> Stop bashing vista for no good reason, plskthnx.
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01:14 <z-man> there are plenty of good reasons :)
01:14 <vinavil> heh
01:14 <vinavil> z-man, i'm redrawing the fortress map
01:15 <vinavil> but it seems to be buggy actually
01:15 <vinavil> fortress test server
01:16 <z-man> wrtl's?
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01:27 <fonkay> Hello
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01:32 <vinavil> z-man, are there "necessary" commands to be put in the map?
01:37 <vinavil> found the bug, sorry
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02:05 <armabot> armagetronad: z-man * r7432 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Whoops :)
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04:30 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7433 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/unitTest/Makefile: This file should only exist unit the main makefile can be modified to have a unittest target
04:38 <armabot> armagetronad: philippeqc * r7434 /armagetronad/trunk/armagetronad/src/tools/ (4 files in 2 dirs): a few fixes on the unit test of tPolinomial. Serialisation unit test still fails, probably due to the mocking used.
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12:22 <philippeqc> morning!
12:22 <K-Yo> morning!
12:23 <K-Yo> hul
12:23 <K-Yo> m
12:23 <K-Yo> masters servers 3 and 1 are down according to my version of arma, is this normal?
12:23 <philippeqc> i dont recall meeting you, so I'll welcome you to the community just in case you have joined during the year
12:24 <philippeqc> humm, good question.
12:24 <philippeqc> z-man : K-Yo: masters servers 3 and 1 are down according to my version of arma, is this normal?
12:25 <philippeqc> better pass the question to someone who has much more of a clue
12:25 <K-Yo> the master 3 has always been down (0.3 - vista) but the 1 down, is more recent
12:25 <K-Yo> yeah ;)
12:25 <K-Yo> ty
12:26 <philippeqc> i wouldnt think its normal, I dont recall seing any scheduled downtime
12:26 <K-Yo> ok
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12:42 <MrBougo> philippeqc: register on nickserv :o
12:42 <MrBougo> -NickServ-           Last Seen: 1 year 20 weeks (16h 46m 5s) ago
12:43 <MrBougo> you must have forgotten your pwd
12:43 <MrBougo> #freenode to drop it and re-regiter it philippeqc :p
12:49 <philippeqc> sorry MrBougo, I dont understand you
12:49 <philippeqc> o yeah, I know
12:49 <philippeqc> how do I change that!
12:50 <philippeqc> (sorry, though you where talking about the master servers gone missing, not the right to be called by my uniquely uninteresting nick
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16:43 <eddiefantastic> luke-jr: you wanted me?
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19:02 <z-man> philippeqc, K-Yo: Master 1 is definitely running and showing activity.
19:03 <K-Yo> and about master 3?
19:03 <z-man> Dunno, that's not mine
19:03 <z-man> basic ping to it works
19:04 <z-man> And Bugfarm Sumo has no problem sending its info to any of the masters.
19:05 <z-man> What are your symtoms?
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19:15 <wrtlprnft> philippeqc, K-Yo, z-man: master3 appears to be running just fine
19:16 <K-Yo> when i try connecting
19:16 <K-Yo> it just shows DSN error when client tries master server 3 or more recently 1
19:17 <wrtlprnft> resolves just fine for me
19:18 <K-Yo> maybe it's vista
19:18 <K-Yo> or 0.3 :s
19:18 <wrtlprnft> IP address of master3.armagetronad.net is
19:18 <wrtlprnft> IP address of master1.armagetronad.net is
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19:31 <K-Yo> where can i see if arma has the right adresses?
19:36 <z-man> You enter "ping master1.armagetronad.net" at the command prompt
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19:38 <K-Yo> ok
19:39 <K-Yo> "unknown command" maybe u meant... bla bla
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19:40 <z-man> vista doesn't have ping?
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19:40 <K-Yo> ah in cmd in vista
19:40 <K-Yo> sry
19:41 <K-Yo> he doesn't find master1.armagetronad.net
19:42 <z-man> but master2 and master4 work?
19:42 <K-Yo> i tried pin it does not work
19:42 <K-Yo> yep 2 works
19:43 <z-man> That's normal, I don't accept pings.
19:43 <K-Yo> ah no, 2 doesn't work
19:43 <K-Yo> but i got the ip of master2
19:43 <K-Yo> i mean, cmd gave me the ip
19:43 <K-Yo> and luciferarma.kicks-ass.net
19:44 <K-Yo> 1° master 1 isn't found, same for master 3
19:44 <K-Yo> 2° master 2 is found but no answer to ping
19:45 <K-Yo> 3° master 4 answers
19:45 <z-man> no ping response is fine.
19:45 <z-man> and lucerferarma is fine, too.
19:45 <K-Yo> nice
19:46 <K-Yo> but it stills doesn't find 1 and 3
19:46 <z-man> But odd, becasue master1 should resolve to armagetron.kicks-ass.net the same way as master2
19:46 <K-Yo> may it be my internet provider?
19:46 <z-man> and it's absolutely the same service.
19:47 <z-man> We've got reports from others on the forum about beta.armagetronad.net not resolving properly.
19:47  * z-man is tempted to blame Vista, indeed.
19:47  * K-Yo too ^^ it's so easy
19:48 <K-Yo> but if i try with the cmd in vista, it has nothing to do with my bersion of arma
19:48 <K-Yo> i'll try on xp
19:48 <K-Yo> downstairs
19:48 <z-man> good idea.
19:49 <K-Yo> exactly same answers
19:50 <K-Yo> i use the same provider as epsy and i'm  at less than 10 km of his home
19:50 <K-Yo> i don't think he has these problems :s
19:51 <K-Yo> oh!
19:51 <K-Yo> master 1 just answered
19:51 <K-Yo> on arma
19:52 <K-Yo> but on in cmd window
19:53 <K-Yo> oh and master 3 answers perfectly on arma and cmd
19:53 <z-man> No ping answer from master1 and 2 is still perfectly normal.
19:53 <z-man> So, we have ideed to blame Vista, goody :)
19:54 <K-Yo> no more answers
19:54 <z-man> Of course, that does not get us closer to a solution.
19:54 <K-Yo> :'(
19:54 <K-Yo> yeah ur right ;)
19:59 <K-Yo> you know why they answered once?
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20:07 <z-man> Nope. Answering to the standard pings really is optional.
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20:39 <epsy> O_o
20:43 <Lucifer_bed> in case this conversation is still going, I restarted my master server, so K-Yo (hi there!) should be able to see servers again with it
20:43 <Lucifer_bed> yesterday I put a new desk in my bedroom which required turning off and physically moving the server
21:05 <K-Yo> ok
21:05 <K-Yo> ty
21:05 <K-Yo> ;) hi there
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21:26 <Lucifer> z-man: you still kicking?
21:31 <z-man> Yep.
21:31 <Lucifer> so, remember Durka having problems resolving the master servers?
21:31 <Lucifer> this was awhile ago, maybe even a year ago
21:32 <z-man> No, I don't remember that.
21:32 <Lucifer> his solution in the end was to just put the hosts the cnames all pointed to
21:32 <z-man> K-Yo: you're not Neutrino by any chance?
21:32 <Lucifer> I know you want to blame vista, but I want to blame ISPs :)
21:33 <z-man> K-Yo did a double check with XP and that had no problems.
21:33 <z-man> Same ISP, I assume.
21:33 <Lucifer> anyway, we never figured out Durka's problem, and our own setup hasn't changed.  Too bad durka's not here right now, we could ask him what he did
21:33 <Lucifer> um, the chatlog I read looked like he said XP had the same problems
21:33 <z-man> Nah, the same problems are just that the pings are not answered
21:33 <Lucifer> [19:50] <K-Yo> i'll try on xp
21:33 <Lucifer> [19:50] <K-Yo> downstairs
21:33 <Lucifer> [19:51] <z-man> good idea.
21:33 <Lucifer> [19:52] <K-Yo> exactly same answers
21:33 <Lucifer> epsy uses linux, iirc
21:34 <z-man> [19:54] <K-Yo> master 1 just answered
21:34 <z-man> [19:54] <K-Yo> on arma
21:34 <z-man> [19:54] <K-Yo> but on in cmd window
21:34 <z-man> [19:55] <K-Yo> oh and master 3 answers perfectly on arma and cmd
21:34 <Lucifer> ah, I see.  I guess I read that wrong.  :)
21:34 <z-man> Yeah, that's IRC chatlogs.
21:35 <Lucifer> it kinda feels like an off by one error, where the amount of redundant data found following the chain to master2 would make it work in an off-by-one case
21:35 <Lucifer> so I was wanting to point a finger at a particular ISP's caching DNS servers, where epsy and K-Yo would have to be on different subnets
21:36 <Lucifer> but I guess I can't do that if K-Yo (hi there!) had it working in XP
21:36 <K-Yo> back
21:36 <Lucifer> I'll try to quit thinking about it, but I'm thinking what we really need is a packet-sniffer on the dns requests from the vista machine and the working xp machine
21:37 <z-man> Hmm, but only the last link in the DNS cname chains changes, the one that finally points at the IP
21:37 <z-man> all the cnames are quite static.
21:37 <z-man> yep, some good old fashioned sniffing could help.
21:38 <z-man> Only, I hardly know how to do that with Unix tools (means, I don't know at all, but would be able to find out)
21:38 <Lucifer> if it's definitely a vista problem, the problem has to be in the dns request itself resulting in different data returned from the dns server, how the requests are cached internally waiting for the application to receive them,
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21:38 <Lucifer> or directly at the api call we make to connect
21:38 <Lucifer> which is the winsock library, iirc.
21:39 <Lucifer> if he ran a local caching dns server, it would be pretty trivial, I suspect.  Probably ubuntu has a turn-key package to do it.  :)
21:39 <z-man> Yep. I bet it is a combination of ISP and Vista in the end.
21:39  * z-man runs a private bind server, maybe that's why he is not affected
21:39 <Lucifer> heh, me too.  :)
21:40 <K-Yo> i have the same with xp
21:40 <K-Yo> the same problem
21:40 <Lucifer> the same what?  The same results with arma not being able to talk to master servers?
21:40 <K-Yo> tthat's why i don't think it's vista's fault
21:40 <Lucifer> if that's the case, then we blame your ISP and move on
21:40 <Lucifer> epsy: ping
21:41 <z-man> Umm, the text I quoted from you suggests otherwise.
21:41 <z-man> epsy had the same problem?
21:41 <K-Yo> yeah epsy has the same ips
21:41 <vinavil> what is the point in using microsoft operating systems?
21:41 <K-Yo> "proxad"
21:41 <K-Yo>  /whois epsy
21:41 <Lucifer> I remember epsy having a dns problem at some point in the last 6-9 months, but I don't remember what it was, and at this distance I could be associating the wrong user to a problem
21:42 <Lucifer> vinavil: you like it when people steal your identity?
21:42 <Lucifer> vinavil: you're basically an exhibitionist?
21:42  * z-man detects a tangent
21:42 <vinavil> Lucifer: what are you talking about?
21:42 <Lucifer> vinavil: reasons you'd run microsoft operating systems?
21:43 <z-man> K-Yo: I may have misunderstood you. Could you paste the exact output of Windows XP when you enter "ping master1.armagetronad.net"?
21:43 <vinavil> Lucifer: oh, you were sarcastic
21:43 <Lucifer> vinavil: no, I was serious, that's what you get when you run microsoft operating systems, so that has to be the point, right?
21:43 <Lucifer> epsy's never here, he's just a lurker :(
21:44 <epsy> ?
21:44 <Lucifer> epsy: have you had any anomalies with dns lookups?
21:44 <vinavil> Lucifer: the funniest thing is that if a linux/mac user blames MS 1 time, Windows users are complaining 20 times.
21:45 <epsy> sometimes
21:45 <vinavil> so why do they use it
21:45 <K-Yo> ok zman, wait
21:45 <Lucifer> vinavil: basic PHB mentality, they need something other than themselves to blame
21:46 <Lucifer> epsy: you're running linux, right?  Do you have your own dns server, or just use your ISPs?
21:46 <Lucifer> heh, why don't I just ask what i want to know.  :)
21:46 <vinavil> Lucifer: PHB?
21:46 <Lucifer> Have you experienced anything like K-Yo (hi there!) , who swears you've got the same ISP and live within 10km of each other
21:46 <Lucifer> vinavil: pointy-haired boss
21:46 <vinavil> hahahah
21:48 <K-Yo> z-man, it's in french, i translate: the ping request couldn't find host master1.armagetronad.net.check the name and try again
21:48 <epsy> er
21:49 <epsy> what's the dns config file already
21:49 <z-man> K-Yo: ah. But it worked in arma?
21:49 <K-Yo> once only
21:49 <K-Yo> then it didn't work anymore
21:50 <epsy> /etc/resolv.conf, right?
21:50 <Lucifer> yeah, er, maybe
21:50 <Lucifer> yeah, that's it
21:50 <Lucifer> should list IPs for dns servers
21:50 <epsy> # Generated by dhcpcd for interface eth0
21:50 <epsy> nameserver
21:50 <epsy> nameserver
21:51 <epsy> no clue if it was really generated by dhcpcd or not
21:51 <z-man> I'll try what happens If I hijack epsy's dns servers
21:51 <epsy> haha
21:52 <epsy> do you need anything else from me ?
21:52 <z-man> Your DNS servers don't like requests from outside, it seems.
21:53 <epsy> then they are my ISP's
21:54 <z-man> Figured as much :)
21:54 <K-Yo> Free Haut débit
21:54 <K-Yo> DNS Primaire :
21:54 <K-Yo> DNS Secondaire :
21:55 <epsy> pas étonnant, ils vont pas tt mettre sur les memes serveurs
21:55 <K-Yo> ca c les DNS officielles
21:55 <K-Yo> enfin, je crois
21:56 <epsy> ça c'est TES dns officielles ;)
21:56 <K-Yo> http://www.commentcamarche.net/faq/sujet-1496-serveurs-dns-des-principaux-fai#free-haut-debit
21:57 <epsy> ben j'utilise pas un serveur de free mais qui rejete la connexion de z-man
21:57 <K-Yo> c bizarre
21:58 <epsy> t'as qu'a utiliser les miens tiens
21:58 <K-Yo> je vais voir
21:58 <epsy> ouais
21:58 <epsy> highlight moi, jsuis sur assault
22:00 <K-Yo> ok
22:05 <K-Yo> epsy, master1 found but master3 still not
22:11 <epsy> t'arrives à faire un ping sur master3?
22:13 <K-Yo> nan
22:13 <K-Yo> des que je le demande il me dit qu'il existe pas
22:14 <epsy> et wrtlprnft.ath.cx
22:14 <epsy> en web
22:14 <epsy> sa marche?
22:15 <K-Yo> atta
22:17 <K-Yo> je fais quoi sur le site?
22:17 <epsy> juste connecte toi
22:17 <epsy> es-ce que ça marche
22:17 <epsy> apres fais la meme chose avec l'autre adresse
22:17 <epsy> celle en master3
22:18 <K-Yo> oui le site j'y ai acces
22:18 <epsy> pareil avec master3.armagetronad.net?
22:18 <K-Yo> att
22:18 <K-Yo> http://master3.armagetronad.net/
22:18 <K-Yo> ?
22:18 <K-Yo> ca me fait erreur de chargeùent
22:21 <K-Yo> master1 works from arma now
22:23 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/rain/fortress/fortress-0.3.aamap.xml: Resource by rain
22:23 <vinavil> ok, i fixed the FTS map
22:23 <epsy> K-Yo, remplace dans ton master.srv master3 par wrtlprnft.ath.cx
22:24 <K-Yo> c ds les files d'arma?
22:25 <epsy> ouais
22:26 <vinavil> epsy and anybody else could come for a try?
22:28 <vinavil> well, after dinner :)
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23:40 <epsy> gn
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23:41 <vinavil> wrltprnft: maybe café needs a restart
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