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Log from 2007-11-22: --- Day changed Thu Nov 22 2007 00:04 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 gfduxitgerhyuiovfg<hqiùHMhAU_IGHIUDRLGHUGYgyhugbysgfæÊ€æÊ»þýýûÎî"] 00:04 -!- Cid06 [n=Cid@bar06-3-82-230-99-34.fbx.proxad.net] has left #armagetron ["Leaving"] 00:05 -!- noob34 [i=16816773@gw1-nat-064.roburnet.sk] has joined #armagetron 00:11 -!- madmax [n=madmax@unaffiliated/madmax] has quit ["leaving"] 00:27 -!- akira_ [n=chatzill@dslb-088-072-167-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron 00:33 -!- akira_ [n=chatzill@dslb-088-072-167-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.7/2007091417]"] 00:54 <cusco> vinavil: hello 00:55 <cusco> irssi rocks 00:55 <vinavil> it is the first irc client i have used 00:56 <P4> cusco: ? 00:57 <cusco> P4: hello 00:57 <cusco> vinavil: what, irssi? 00:58 <vinavil> cusco: yes, irssi 00:58 <cusco> wanna now? me was ircle 00:58 <cusco> and first script was acidjazz 00:59 <vinavil> im on colloquy now. it seems ok 01:00 <cusco> there is irssi for macs x 01:01 <vinavil> really' 01:01 <vinavil> ? 01:01 <cusco> -_- 01:02 <cusco> even if there wasn't, there is the fink project 01:03 <vinavil> sorry, im just new. second day :) 01:04 <cusco> ouch! 01:04 <cusco> apple has good products 01:04 <cusco> its a shame they're so expensive 01:04 <cusco> gotta go now! bye 01:04 <vinavil> cu 01:10 -!- z-man [n=manuel@p50871ACC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:34 -!- liberfiasco [n=libervis@89-172-45-83.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #armagetron 01:35 -!- libervisco [n=libervis@tuxhacker/libervisco] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:42 -!- noob34 [i=16816773@gw1-nat-064.roburnet.sk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:04 -!- akira_ [n=chatzill@dslb-088-072-045-102.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron 02:04 -!- akira_ [n=chatzill@dslb-088-072-045-102.pools.arcor-ip.net] has 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16:21 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@216.25-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #armagetron 16:22 <MrBougo> dammit, i hate them 16:22 <MrBougo> fucking protons 16:23 <GodTodd> things'd fall apart mighty fast without 'em 16:24 <MrBougo> true 16:24 <MrBougo> but why the hell didnt my physics teacher use freaking neutrons instead 16:24 <MrBougo> dammit 16:24 <MrBougo> we had a test 16:25 <MrBougo> about momentum 16:25 <MrBougo> and he put electrostatics in it 16:26 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@HSI-KBW-085-216-060-101.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #armagetron 16:27 <MrBougo> i had not enough time to think about this exercise which involved two protons 16:27 <MrBougo> "colliding" as he dais 16:27 <MrBougo> said* 16:27 <MrBougo> HOW ON EARTH CAN TWO PROTONS COLLIDE WITHOUT TOUCHING EACHOTHER 16:27 <MrBougo> fluck 16:28 <luke-jr> … 16:28 <MrBougo> got the answer, luke-jr ? 16:29 <luke-jr> for extremely large definitions of "collide"? 16:29 <deja_vu> hehe 16:29 <luke-jr> it's like how 2+2=5 16:29 <luke-jr> for very large values of 16:29 <luke-jr> 2 16:29 <MrBougo> err 16:29 <luke-jr> lol 16:29 <MrBougo> he said that the protons collided, without touching eachother 16:29 <luke-jr> ok 16:30 <luke-jr> maybe "collide" means they had some effect 16:30 <MrBougo> i guess that's what he meant 16:30 <MrBougo> but it confused me for a minute :o 16:33 <MrBougo> ok, i was right, the kinetic energy wasnt constant 16:34 <MrBougo> and that was so obvious btw 16:36 -!- akira_ [n=chatzill@dslb-088-074-228-102.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron 16:50 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron 17:18 -!- P4|away is now known as P4 17:19 -!- Bougo [n=MrBougo@216.25-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #armagetron 17:37 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@216.25-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:40 <GodTodd> #later tell MrBougo protons "collide" without touching because they have the same charge. think of it magnetically. if you want a "perfectly" elastic collision between, for instance, two carts on a track you can put opposite magnets in each one and when the fields collide they will repel each other which is a collision. in this way, kinetic energy is conserved rather than being lost to heat, sound, etc. 17:40 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded. 17:42 <deja_vu> hm.. some kinetic energy would probably still get lost due to accelerating charges.. ;) 18:05 <zmanuel> GAAA, that shopkeeper only sold me cursed stuff! 18:05 -!- Cid06 [n=Cid@bar06-3-82-230-99-34.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #armagetron 18:05 -!- Bougo is now known as MrBougo 18:05 -!- vinavil [n=vinavil@85-18-66-26.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #armagetron 18:06 <MrBougo> GodTodd: but... how can kinetic energy be conserved 18:06 <MrBougo> let's say that it's unidimensional 18:06 <MrBougo> w e have two carts with the magnets 18:09 <MrBougo> they both progress (cant find the word) 18:09 <MrBougo> dammit 18:11 <MrBougo> GodTodd: help me! 18:11 <MrBougo> how can you say that 18:11 -!- GodTodd [n=TheTruth@pool-71-123-205-72.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 18:11 <MrBougo> .................... 18:11 <MrBougo> luke-jr: 18:11 <MrBougo> help me 18:11 <MrBougo> my english is poor 18:11 <MrBougo> how can i say that 18:11 <MrBougo> the two carts go like.... 18:12 <Sticky_> shit off a shovel 18:12 <MrBougo> |__| ----> <---- |__| 18:12 <MrBougo> they go like that 18:12 <MrBougo> gah 18:12 <Sticky_> collide? 18:12 <MrBougo> neh 18:12 <MrBougo> the movement 18:12 <Sticky_> towards? 18:12 <MrBougo> before they collide 18:12 <Sticky_> approach 18:12 <MrBougo> and in a sentence? 18:12 <MrBougo> :o 18:13 <Sticky_> the two cards move towards each other 18:13 <Sticky_> carts even 18:13 <MrBougo> :o thank you 18:13 -!- ToddKitchen_ [n=DaTroof@pool-71-123-205-72.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #armagetron 18:13 <MrBougo> works with cards too :o 18:13 <MrBougo> toddKitchen_ 18:13 <MrBougo> so the two carts move towards each other (ty Sticky_), but because of the magnets they lose speed 18:14 <Sticky_> ok 18:14 <MrBougo> so how can the kinetic energy stay the same all the time 18:14 <MrBougo> it's converted in magnetic potential energy 18:15 <MrBougo> "when the fields collide" => aren't these just infinite? 18:15 <Sticky_> hmm too physicsy for me 18:15 <MrBougo> :) 18:16 <zmanuel> yep, the fields have infinite extension, sort of. 18:16 <MrBougo> sort of, because they're very very weak after a certain distance 18:16 <zmanuel> you can imagine the proton-proton collision to be mediated by the exchange of a photon. 18:16 <Sticky_> express it using electronics and i may have a chance 18:16 <MrBougo> errr i'm no talking about nuclear physics :p 18:16 <MrBougo> that's just a mechanics problem zmanuel 18:16 <MrBougo> hehe Sticky_ 18:17 <zmanuel> same on a macroscopic scale ;) just imagine lots of more photons. 18:17 -!- ToddKitchen___ [n=DaTroof@pool-71-123-205-72.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:17 <MrBougo> meh i didn't talk about photons :o 18:17 <zmanuel> but protons. 18:17 <MrBougo> that's just... two positive bodies with a mass, full stop :) 18:18 <zmanuel> ok, then, Do you understand newtonian gravity? 18:19 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man 18:19 * z-man puts on physics instructor hat 18:19 <MrBougo> eek 18:19 <luke-jr> uhoh 18:19 <MrBougo> we could neglect newtonian gravity here 18:20 <MrBougo> compared to electrical fields it was just tiny 18:20 <z-man> yes, but the interaction between two protons works the same way as the interaction of celestial bodies works, just that the force goes into the opposite direction. 18:20 <MrBougo> of course 18:20 <z-man> anyway, in many cases, you don't have to understand the details of the interaction. 18:21 <z-man> some things can be calculated only using energy and momentum conservation. 18:21 <MrBougo> yep 18:21 <z-man> for example, if two bodies of equal masses interact... 18:21 <z-man> one is initialy at rest, the other moving... 18:21 <MrBougo> that's what's happening 18:22 <z-man> and you know that the initialy resting particle moves into the same direction as the initially moving particle after the interaction... 18:22 <z-man> you know it will also have the same speed and the initialy moving particle will be at rest. 18:23 <z-man> no other way to keep both energy and momentum conserved. 18:23 <MrBougo> okay 18:23 <MrBougo> um, momentum is always conserved in such a case, isn't it? 18:23 <z-man> and in every single case, the two particles will be moving perpendicular to each other after the interaction. 18:24 <z-man> yes, momentum and energy are always conserved globaly. 18:24 <z-man> sometimes, there is an "absorber" in place, for example if one particle is fixed relative to the earth. 18:24 <MrBougo> oh, what about that perpendicularity? 18:25 <z-man> the perpendicularity is just one of the curious things you can prove :) 18:25 <z-man> the energy of two particles is proportional to the sum of the squares of their momenta. 18:26 <z-man> and the total momentum is just the vector sum of the momenta. 18:27 <z-man> so momentum conservation implies that the vector sum of the particles after the interaction is equal to the initial momentum of the incoming particle. 18:27 <MrBougo> yup 18:27 <z-man> and energy conservation mandates that the sum of the squares of the momenta after the interaction is equal to the square of the initial momentum... 18:28 <z-man> and that is equal to the square of the sum of the momenta after the collision. 18:28 <z-man> so the momenta after the collision are two vectors whose squares summed equal their sum squared. 18:28 <MrBougo> oh right, that's just pythagoras 18:28 <z-man> and vectors with this property are always perpendicular, right, pythagoras :) 18:29 <MrBougo> brb 18:29 <MrBougo> thank you z-man :) 18:29 <z-man> np 18:29 <z-man> back into the 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<MrBougo> z-man: that's supposing that the interaction will end some day, isn't it? 19:32 <z-man> right. 19:33 <MrBougo> good 19:33 <MrBougo> i can't believe this... i didnt think of this 19:34 <MrBougo> yeaa... aight... no potential energy if that ever happened, so full kinetic... 19:34 <MrBougo> but... wait 19:34 <MrBougo> let's consider the starting situation, the two particles not so far from eachother, one going <kind of> towards the other 19:35 <MrBougo> there's potential energy in that initial situation 19:35 <spidey> happy thanksgiving nubs =D 19:36 <vinavil> no sound in 0.3? or it is just mac version? 19:36 <xfroggy> Happy Turkey Day guys!!! :-D 19:36 <vinavil> lol 19:37 <xfroggy> Happy pizza day, vinavil? :D 19:37 <vinavil> noy yet, i'll suggest it :D 19:37 <MrBougo> FROGLEGS FTW 19:37 <xfroggy> then Happy spaghetti & meatballs day! XD 19:38 <xfroggy> hey I tried "D 19:38 <xfroggy> MrBougo, turkey legs today :'( 19:38 <vinavil> i would like you to taste some italian food, i'll cook it for you 19:38 <xfroggy> I still want to hop today :D 19:39 <MrBougo> z-man ? (sry to interrupt anything you're doing) 19:39 <MrBougo> err whatever* 19:39 <xfroggy> vinavil, you cook and send it FedEx overnight :D 19:39 <MrBougo> not anything, whatever* 19:40 <vinavil> xfroggy, FedEx? it may arrive hot... 19:40 <xfroggy> exactly ^^ 19:40 <vinavil> hihi 19:40 <xfroggy> or you cooking cold food? lol 19:40 <vinavil> we must do an armagetron international meeting one day 19:40 <vinavil> i'll take care of food 19:41 <MrBougo> hehe 19:41 <MrBougo> i wont come 19:41 <vinavil> and some people from belgium will take care of beer :) 19:41 <xfroggy> LAN party! :D 19:41 <MrBougo> cuz i just suck at english 19:41 <MrBougo> for some reason, i sometimes talk to myself, and i'm kind of fluent 19:41 <vinavil> nah, real party in z-man's house :D 19:41 <MrBougo> but when i talk to someone it just goes crap 19:41 <xfroggy> MrBougo, when you have been, you speak beer language, fuck English :P 19:42 <xfroggy> *when you got beer 19:42 <MrBougo> lol 19:42 <vinavil> nice MrBouge, you will take care of recording everything with a video camera then 19:42 * MrBougo doesnt drink beer 19:42 <MrBougo> wtf vinavil 19:42 <vinavil> lol 19:43 <xfroggy> well we got our designated driver ( MrBougo ) :D 19:43 <vinavil> so you can keep talking with yourself :D 19:43 <MrBougo> wtf, i don't drive either 19:43 <MrBougo> :o 19:43 <MrBougo> stfu about that 19:43 <xfroggy> MrBougo, just make sure you bring the beer then.... 19:43 <MrBougo> i should've shut up 19:43 <MrBougo> sure, i'm belgian 19:43 <vinavil> indeed 19:43 <vinavil> i love leffe 19:43 <MrBougo> i wont come though 19:43 <xfroggy> yea that's what makes this part weird u Belgian and you dont drink beer :D 19:44 <vinavil> so just send the beers 19:44 <MrBougo> heh, do belgian babies drink beer and eat fries? 19:44 <z-man> MrBougo: yes, the assumption is that the potential energy before and after the interaction is equal enough so that the difference can be neglected. 19:44 <MrBougo> oh ok 19:44 * xfroggy thinks it will be funny watching MrBougo talking to himself in fluent English :D 19:44 <MrBougo> so if it isn't, i've got to calulate the initial potential energy 19:44 <MrBougo> xfroggy: stfu 19:44 <MrBougo> it's not even fluent 19:45 <xfroggy> MrBougo, :-) 19:45 <MrBougo> but... it's less... laggy? 19:45 <vinavil> he said nothing about the party. so he probably agree to make it at his house 19:46 <MrBougo> stfu 19:46 <MrBougo> :p 19:46 <vinavil> MrBougo, if you keep saying stfu to everybody, i see why you talk with yourself 19:46 <MrBougo> DAMMIT argh 19:46 <MrBougo> ok ima stfu myself 19:46 <vinavil> lol, just relax man 19:46 <xfroggy> hahahahaha 19:46 <xfroggy> :-D 19:47 <xfroggy> MrBougo, we luv ya :D 19:47 <MrBougo> so do i 19:47 <vinavil> we do :D 19:47 <MrBougo> we all agree there 19:47 <MrBougo> i'm so smart, i talk to myself 19:47 <xfroggy> :@) 19:47 <xfroggy> haha :D 19:47 <MrBougo> if i wasnt smart i wouldnt give a sh*t about talking to myself 19:47 <MrBougo> who would talk to his unsmart self 19:48 <xfroggy> yea I'm guessing it's an advantage finding a friend within yourself 19:48 <xfroggy> do you guys argue? :P 19:49 <MrBougo> sure 19:49 <MrBougo> no we don't 19:49 <MrBougo> YES WE DO 19:49 <MrBougo> dammit you're right, we are, atm 19:49 <MrBougo> sigh 19:49 <xfroggy> lol :) 19:50 <MrBougo> HEH he slapped me! 19:50 <xfroggy> O_o 19:51 <xfroggy> MrBougo, make sure you don't have any firearms in the house, so you won't get him pissed off.... 19:51 <vinavil> he started hitting instant chat 6 in game and see him now 19:51 <xfroggy> lol 19:51 * xfroggy loads a shotgun 19:51 <MrBougo> what's IC 6 again? 19:52 <xfroggy> ight I"m gonna go 'turkey shopping' ....if anything will be left after a shot... 19:52 <xfroggy> :-D bbl 19:52 <vinavil> bye n00b, take care of yourself 19:52 <MrBougo> have a nice turkey shopping 19:52 <vinavil> and avoid pressing instant chat 6 19:52 <MrBougo> what's IC 6 19:52 <vinavil> lol 19:53 <MrBougo> no, that's IC 4 19:59 <cusco> ello dudes 20:00 <MrBougo> harr 20:05 <vinavil> hello 20:29 <xfroggy> :-D 20:29 -!- MrBougo [n=MrBougo@216.25-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [] 20:51 <cusco> :D 20:54 -!- Novocaine_ [n=novocain@adsl-84-227-52-152.adslplus.ch] has joined #armagetron 20:54 -!- |zion| [n=pinkpant@dslb-088-073-057-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #armagetron 20:54 <|zion|> hi all 20:59 <vinavil> hey zion 21:19 -!- deja_vu [n=deja_vu@HSI-KBW-085-216-060-101.hsi.kabelbw.de] has quit ["leaving"] 21:45 -!- |zion| [n=pinkpant@dslb-088-073-057-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 23:21 -!- vinavil [n=vinavil@85-18-66-26.ip.fastwebnet.it] has left #armagetron [] 23:37 -!- epsy [n=epsy@mar75-4-82-227-65-72.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:57 -!- Novocaine_ [n=novocain@adsl-84-227-52-152.adslplus.ch] has quit []View entire month
is a site that has tools, maps, and other various items. It orignally only existed as a server control panel, but I slowly began adding stuff such as a homepage and tools.
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This is an LLM-free zone. In general, I am unwilling to use (fight with) any form of "GenAI" to write code for me. So, for the forseeable future, everything on this site will continue to be written by a very silly goose (wait that's me honk honk) with some parts written by other humans as well (silly hu-mon) rather than any plausible-series-of-words token-eating machine. Even my libraries are out of date, and suddenly that's a good thing!
(Although the style has changed several times and content has been added and changed, the base of this site has barely been updated since 2015. But it Ain't Broke!)
This site is also occasionally tested with older browsers, but compatibility is not guarenteed. Although, if you have an old obscure browser and something isn't working that previously did, I guess you can tell me (nelg) about it...
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