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Log from 2007-11-22:
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00:54 <cusco> vinavil: hello
00:55 <cusco> irssi rocks
00:55 <vinavil> it is the first irc client i have used
00:56 <P4> cusco: ?
00:57 <cusco> P4: hello
00:57 <cusco> vinavil: what, irssi?
00:58 <vinavil> cusco: yes, irssi
00:58 <cusco> wanna now? me was ircle
00:58 <cusco> and first script was acidjazz
00:59 <vinavil> im on colloquy now. it seems ok
01:00 <cusco> there is irssi for macs x
01:01 <vinavil> really'
01:01 <vinavil> ?
01:01 <cusco> -_-
01:02 <cusco> even if there wasn't, there is the fink project
01:03 <vinavil> sorry, im just new. second day :)
01:04 <cusco> ouch!
01:04 <cusco> apple has good products
01:04 <cusco> its a shame they're so expensive
01:04 <cusco> gotta go now! bye
01:04 <vinavil> cu
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03:21 <liberfiasco> http://www.nuxified.org/topic/chart_of_registered_and_confirmed_participants_in_gamefest
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03:56 <QUARG> hello is lukejr there?
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16:22 <MrBougo> dammit, i hate them
16:22 <MrBougo> fucking protons
16:23 <GodTodd> things'd fall apart mighty fast without 'em
16:24 <MrBougo> true
16:24 <MrBougo> but why the hell didnt my physics teacher use freaking neutrons instead
16:24 <MrBougo> dammit
16:24 <MrBougo> we had a test
16:25 <MrBougo> about momentum
16:25 <MrBougo> and he put electrostatics in it
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16:27 <MrBougo> i had not enough time to think about this exercise which involved two protons
16:27 <MrBougo> "colliding" as he dais
16:27 <MrBougo> said*
16:27 <MrBougo> fluck
16:28 <luke-jr> …
16:28 <MrBougo> got the answer, luke-jr ?
16:29 <luke-jr> for extremely large definitions of "collide"?
16:29 <deja_vu> hehe
16:29 <luke-jr> it's like how 2+2=5
16:29 <luke-jr> for very large values of
16:29 <luke-jr> 2
16:29 <MrBougo> err
16:29 <luke-jr> lol
16:29 <MrBougo> he said that the protons collided, without touching eachother
16:29 <luke-jr> ok
16:30 <luke-jr> maybe "collide" means they had some effect
16:30 <MrBougo> i guess that's what he meant
16:30 <MrBougo> but it confused me for a minute :o
16:33 <MrBougo> ok, i was right, the kinetic energy wasnt constant
16:34 <MrBougo> and that was so obvious btw
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17:40 <GodTodd> #later tell MrBougo protons "collide" without touching because they have the same charge.  think of it magnetically. if you want a "perfectly" elastic collision between, for instance, two carts on a track you can put opposite magnets in each one and when the fields collide they will repel each other which is a collision.  in this way, kinetic energy is conserved rather than being lost to heat, sound, etc.
17:40 <armabot> GodTodd: The operation succeeded.
17:42 <deja_vu> hm.. some kinetic energy would probably still get lost due to accelerating charges.. ;)
18:05 <zmanuel> GAAA, that shopkeeper only sold me cursed stuff!
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18:06 <MrBougo> GodTodd: but... how can kinetic energy be conserved
18:06 <MrBougo> let's say that it's unidimensional
18:06 <MrBougo> w e have two carts with the magnets
18:09 <MrBougo> they both progress (cant find the word)
18:09 <MrBougo> dammit
18:11 <MrBougo> GodTodd: help me!
18:11 <MrBougo> how can you say that
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18:11 <MrBougo> ....................
18:11 <MrBougo> luke-jr:
18:11 <MrBougo> help me
18:11 <MrBougo> my english is poor
18:11 <MrBougo> how can i say that
18:11 <MrBougo> the two carts go like....
18:12 <Sticky_> shit off a shovel
18:12 <MrBougo> |__| ---->     <---- |__|
18:12 <MrBougo> they go like that
18:12 <MrBougo> gah
18:12 <Sticky_> collide?
18:12 <MrBougo> neh
18:12 <MrBougo> the movement
18:12 <Sticky_> towards?
18:12 <MrBougo> before they collide
18:12 <Sticky_> approach
18:12 <MrBougo> and in a sentence?
18:12 <MrBougo> :o
18:13 <Sticky_> the two cards move towards each other
18:13 <Sticky_> carts even
18:13 <MrBougo> :o thank you
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18:13 <MrBougo> works with cards too :o
18:13 <MrBougo> toddKitchen_
18:13 <MrBougo> so the two carts move towards each other (ty Sticky_), but because of the magnets they lose speed
18:14 <Sticky_> ok
18:14 <MrBougo> so how can the kinetic energy stay the same all the time
18:14 <MrBougo> it's converted in magnetic potential energy
18:15 <MrBougo> "when the fields collide" => aren't these just infinite?
18:15 <Sticky_> hmm too physicsy for me
18:15 <MrBougo> :)
18:16 <zmanuel> yep, the fields have infinite extension, sort of.
18:16 <MrBougo> sort of, because they're very very weak after a certain distance
18:16 <zmanuel> you can imagine the proton-proton collision to be mediated by the exchange of a photon.
18:16 <Sticky_> express it using electronics and i may have a chance
18:16 <MrBougo> errr i'm no talking about nuclear physics :p
18:16 <MrBougo> that's just a mechanics problem zmanuel
18:16 <MrBougo> hehe Sticky_
18:17 <zmanuel> same on a macroscopic scale ;) just imagine lots of more photons.
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18:17 <MrBougo> meh i didn't talk about photons :o
18:17 <zmanuel> but protons.
18:17 <MrBougo> that's just... two positive bodies with a mass, full stop :)
18:18 <zmanuel> ok, then, Do you understand newtonian gravity?
18:19 -!- zmanuel is now known as z-man
18:19  * z-man puts on physics instructor hat
18:19 <MrBougo> eek
18:19 <luke-jr> uhoh
18:19 <MrBougo> we could neglect newtonian gravity here
18:20 <MrBougo> compared to electrical fields it was just tiny
18:20 <z-man> yes, but the interaction between two protons works the same way as the interaction of celestial bodies works, just that the force goes into the opposite direction.
18:20 <MrBougo> of course
18:20 <z-man> anyway, in many cases, you don't have to understand the details of the interaction.
18:21 <z-man> some things can be calculated only using energy and momentum conservation.
18:21 <MrBougo> yep
18:21 <z-man> for example, if two bodies of equal masses interact...
18:21 <z-man> one is initialy at rest, the other moving...
18:21 <MrBougo> that's what's happening
18:22 <z-man> and you know that the initialy resting particle moves into the same direction as the initially moving particle after the interaction...
18:22 <z-man> you know it will also have the same speed and the initialy moving particle will be at rest.
18:23 <z-man> no other way to keep both energy and momentum conserved.
18:23 <MrBougo> okay
18:23 <MrBougo> um, momentum is always conserved in such a case, isn't it?
18:23 <z-man> and in every single case, the two particles will be moving perpendicular to each other after the interaction.
18:24 <z-man> yes, momentum and energy are always conserved globaly.
18:24 <z-man> sometimes, there is an "absorber" in place, for example if one particle is fixed relative to the earth.
18:24 <MrBougo> oh, what about that perpendicularity?
18:25 <z-man> the perpendicularity is just one of the curious things you can prove :)
18:25 <z-man> the energy of two particles is proportional to the sum of the squares of their momenta.
18:26 <z-man> and the total momentum is just the vector sum of the momenta.
18:27 <z-man> so momentum conservation implies that the vector sum of the particles after the interaction is equal to the initial momentum of the incoming particle.
18:27 <MrBougo> yup
18:27 <z-man> and energy conservation mandates that the sum of the squares of the momenta after the interaction is equal to the square of the initial momentum...
18:28 <z-man> and that is equal to the square of the sum of the momenta after the collision.
18:28 <z-man> so the momenta after the collision are two vectors whose squares summed equal their sum squared.
18:28 <MrBougo> oh right, that's just pythagoras
18:28 <z-man> and vectors with this property are always perpendicular, right, pythagoras :)
18:29 <MrBougo> brb
18:29 <MrBougo> thank you z-man :)
18:29 <z-man> np
18:29 <z-man> back into the Dungeon of Doom
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19:06 <libervisco> AA forums are often inaccessible..
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19:32 <MrBougo> z-man: that's supposing that the interaction will end some day, isn't it?
19:32 <z-man> right.
19:33 <MrBougo> good
19:33 <MrBougo> i can't believe this... i didnt think of this
19:34 <MrBougo> yeaa... aight... no potential energy if that ever happened, so full kinetic...
19:34 <MrBougo> but... wait
19:34 <MrBougo> let's consider the starting situation, the two particles not so far from eachother, one going <kind of> towards the other
19:35 <MrBougo> there's potential energy in that initial situation
19:35 <spidey> happy thanksgiving nubs =D
19:36 <vinavil> no sound in 0.3? or it is just mac version?
19:36 <xfroggy> Happy Turkey Day guys!!! :-D
19:36 <vinavil> lol
19:37 <xfroggy> Happy pizza day, vinavil? :D
19:37 <vinavil> noy yet, i'll suggest it :D
19:37 <MrBougo> FROGLEGS FTW
19:37 <xfroggy> then Happy spaghetti & meatballs day! XD
19:38 <xfroggy> hey I tried "D
19:38 <xfroggy> MrBougo, turkey legs today :'(
19:38 <vinavil> i would like you to taste some italian food, i'll cook it for you
19:38 <xfroggy> I still want to hop today :D
19:39 <MrBougo> z-man ? (sry to interrupt anything you're doing)
19:39 <MrBougo> err whatever*
19:39 <xfroggy> vinavil, you cook and send it FedEx overnight :D
19:39 <MrBougo> not anything, whatever*
19:40 <vinavil> xfroggy, FedEx? it may arrive hot...
19:40 <xfroggy> exactly ^^
19:40 <vinavil> hihi
19:40 <xfroggy> or you cooking cold food? lol
19:40 <vinavil> we must do an armagetron international meeting one day
19:40 <vinavil> i'll take care of food
19:41 <MrBougo> hehe
19:41 <MrBougo> i wont come
19:41 <vinavil> and some people from belgium will take care of beer :)
19:41 <xfroggy> LAN party! :D
19:41 <MrBougo> cuz i just suck at english
19:41 <MrBougo> for some reason, i sometimes talk to myself, and i'm kind of fluent
19:41 <vinavil> nah, real party in z-man's house :D
19:41 <MrBougo> but when i talk to someone it just goes crap
19:41 <xfroggy> MrBougo, when you have been, you speak beer language, fuck English :P
19:42 <xfroggy> *when you got beer
19:42 <MrBougo> lol
19:42 <vinavil> nice MrBouge, you will take care of recording everything with a video camera then
19:42  * MrBougo doesnt drink beer
19:42 <MrBougo> wtf vinavil
19:42 <vinavil> lol
19:43 <xfroggy> well we got our designated driver ( MrBougo ) :D
19:43 <vinavil> so you can keep talking with yourself :D
19:43 <MrBougo> wtf, i don't drive either
19:43 <MrBougo> :o
19:43 <MrBougo> stfu about that
19:43 <xfroggy> MrBougo, just make sure you bring the beer then....
19:43 <MrBougo> i should've shut up
19:43 <MrBougo> sure, i'm belgian
19:43 <vinavil> indeed
19:43 <vinavil> i love leffe
19:43 <MrBougo> i wont come though
19:43 <xfroggy> yea that's what makes this part weird u Belgian and you dont drink beer :D
19:44 <vinavil> so just send the beers
19:44 <MrBougo> heh, do belgian babies drink beer and eat fries?
19:44 <z-man> MrBougo: yes, the assumption is that the potential energy before and after the interaction is equal enough so that the difference can be neglected.
19:44 <MrBougo> oh ok
19:44  * xfroggy thinks it will be funny watching MrBougo talking to himself in fluent English :D
19:44 <MrBougo> so if it isn't, i've got to calulate the initial potential energy
19:44 <MrBougo> xfroggy: stfu
19:44 <MrBougo> it's not even fluent
19:45 <xfroggy> MrBougo, :-)
19:45 <MrBougo> but... it's less... laggy?
19:45 <vinavil> he said nothing about the party. so he probably agree to make it at his house
19:46 <MrBougo> stfu
19:46 <MrBougo> :p
19:46 <vinavil> MrBougo, if you keep saying stfu to everybody, i see why you talk with yourself
19:46 <MrBougo> DAMMIT argh
19:46 <MrBougo> ok ima stfu myself
19:46 <vinavil> lol, just relax man
19:46 <xfroggy> hahahahaha
19:46 <xfroggy> :-D
19:47 <xfroggy> MrBougo, we luv ya :D
19:47 <MrBougo> so do i
19:47 <vinavil> we do :D
19:47 <MrBougo> we all agree there
19:47 <MrBougo> i'm so smart, i talk to myself
19:47 <xfroggy> :@)
19:47 <xfroggy> haha :D
19:47 <MrBougo> if i wasnt smart i wouldnt give a sh*t about talking to myself
19:47 <MrBougo> who would talk to his unsmart self
19:48 <xfroggy> yea I'm guessing it's an advantage finding a friend within yourself
19:48 <xfroggy> do you guys argue? :P
19:49 <MrBougo> sure
19:49 <MrBougo> no we don't
19:49 <MrBougo> YES WE DO
19:49 <MrBougo> dammit you're right, we are, atm
19:49 <MrBougo> sigh
19:49 <xfroggy> lol :)
19:50 <MrBougo> HEH he slapped me!
19:50 <xfroggy> O_o
19:51 <xfroggy> MrBougo, make sure you don't have any firearms in the house, so you won't get him pissed off....
19:51 <vinavil> he started hitting instant chat 6 in game and see him now
19:51 <xfroggy> lol
19:51  * xfroggy loads a shotgun
19:51 <MrBougo> what's IC 6 again?
19:52 <xfroggy> ight I"m gonna go 'turkey shopping' ....if anything will be left after a shot...
19:52 <xfroggy> :-D bbl
19:52 <vinavil> bye n00b, take care of yourself
19:52 <MrBougo> have a nice turkey shopping
19:52 <vinavil> and avoid pressing instant chat 6
19:52 <MrBougo> what's IC 6
19:52 <vinavil> lol
19:53 <MrBougo> no, that's IC 4
19:59 <cusco> ello dudes
20:00 <MrBougo> harr
20:05 <vinavil> hello
20:29 <xfroggy> :-D
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20:51 <cusco> :D
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20:54 <|zion|> hi all
20:59 <vinavil> hey zion
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