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Log from 2007-10-16:
--- Day changed Tue Oct 16 2007
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00:18 <spidey> luke-jr: noone here cares about christian views except you, will you ever figure that out? :P
00:18 <spidey> or catholic
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00:25 <ct|kyle> like i said before luke-jr does not have his own mind.
00:27 <luke-jr> spidey: I'm not giving up ☺
00:27 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: or perhaps it is you who do not
00:28 <ct|kyle> I can think outside of Christianity therefore I have a mind of my own
00:34 <luke-jr> you cannot think inside Christianity
00:34 <luke-jr> I can think about fiction too
00:34 <luke-jr> but that does not change reality
00:37 <ct|kyle> I don't think inside Christianity because it makes no sense it is just a cult
00:37 <luke-jr> not true
00:37 <luke-jr> it is reality
00:40 <ct|kyle> prove for Christianity
00:40 <ct|kyle> you never have proof
00:44 <DrJoeTron> now now theres people who can and i tip my hat to those who can
00:44 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr just doesn't do the best job convincing.
00:44 <DrJoeTron> and reminds me how great it is not to be catholic
00:44 <spidey> pft
00:45 <spidey> people yelling, and swinging there hands, and yelling at the sky
00:45 <spidey> sounds like a psycho to me
00:45 <DrJoeTron> sounds like an irc channel to me
00:45 <spidey> if someone claims to have spoken to god, or a servant of god, we class them as psychos
00:45 <spidey> yet we don't exclude the possibility?
00:46 <DrJoeTron> what do you mean "we"
00:46 <spidey> the general population
00:46 <DrJoeTron> according to the 2004 elections
00:46 <DrJoeTron> general population doesn't exclude the possibility :V
00:47 <spidey> you mean according to the 10% of the population that voted?
00:47 <DrJoeTron> yup
00:48 <DrJoeTron> actually no
00:48 <spidey> my opinion is religion is a weak mans way of getting through life
00:48 <DrJoeTron> i mean the electoral college who voted
00:48 <luke-jr> spidey: then you are a fool
00:48 <spidey> luke-jr: u
00:51  * spidey hopes a real life zombie outbreak occurs
00:51  * spidey wants to fight off zombies with his wooden paddel
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01:25 <ct|kyle> one thing luke-jr will agree on is that linux pwns
01:25 <Gursikh> yeah but windows is much better\
01:25 <spidey> ct|kyle: os/2 pwns
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01:30 <spidey> luke-jr: Lucifer GodTodd wanna play a freeciv game with me and a friend of mine?
01:35 <luke-jr> maybe
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01:56 <ct|kyle> How do i make doxygen Docs for tron?
01:58 <luke-jr> by hand
01:58 <luke-jr> ☺
01:59 <ct|kyle> what commands do i need to use
02:00 <luke-jr> probably make
02:03 <ct|kyle> make doxy
02:04 <ct|kyle> make: *** No rule to make target `doxy'.  Stop.
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02:44 <ghableska> #weather 50266
02:44 <armabot> ghableska: The current temperature in West Des Moines, Iowa is 61.3°F (7:43 PM CDT on October 15, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 28.76 in 973.8 hPa (Rising).
02:49 <Gursikh> #weather 77381
02:50 <armabot> Gursikh: The current temperature in The Woodlands, Texas is 64.6°F (7:51 PM CDT on October 15, 2007). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 62.6°F. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising).
02:51 <Gursikh> cold, wet, and nasty ^^^ :-(
02:54 <luke-jr> just like GodTodd
02:54  * luke-jr hides
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03:04 <luke-jr> spidey: btw, IPv6 work yet?
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04:05 <Lucifer> spidey: you have friends?
04:06 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: luke-jr is his only friend
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04:19 <GodTodd> spidey has friends?
04:23 <ct|kyle> he does? other than luke-jr
04:24 <GodTodd> dunno
04:24 <spidey> Lucifer: ?
04:24 <GodTodd> tho...if luke-jr is your only friend you may as well have kevorkian on speed dial
04:25 <luke-jr> …
04:25 <spidey> luke-jr: on windows now
04:25 <spidey> last time i tried to setup ipv6 on windows, i timedout every 10 seconds
04:25 <luke-jr> …
04:25 <spidey> ...
04:26 <luke-jr> you were supposed to have deleted it
04:26 <spidey> i did
04:26 <spidey> then it didn't like my sound card
04:26 <spidey> so i deleted it
04:26 <spidey> 'er
04:26 <spidey> *nix didn't*
04:26 <spidey> it didn't like my onboard audio either
04:27 <luke-jr> bs
04:27 <spidey> u
04:27 <spidey> i finally got sound/alsa to work on the sound blaster live
04:27 <spidey> but then my mic wouldn't work
04:27 <spidey> after trying to get that working for about 2 hours i said fuck it :P
04:28 <spidey> onboard i couldn't even get to work
04:29 <spidey> it's a via ac97
04:29 <spidey> i tihnk
04:30 <luke-jr> works like a charm on all 2-4 systems of mine with it
04:30 <spidey> didn't for me
04:30 <luke-jr> bad hardware :D
04:31 <spidey> no
04:31 <spidey> it works on windows
04:31 <spidey> so does my sound blaster
04:32 <spidey> #bash would be so easy to abuse
04:34 <spidey> so, my origanol question
04:34 <spidey> Lucifer: luke-jr GodTodd civ?
04:35 <luke-jr> maybe
04:36 <Lucifer> spidey: no
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04:43 <GodTodd> spidey: nope
04:43 <ct|kyle> spidey: no
04:43 <spidey> ct|kyle: i didn' task you
04:43 <ct|kyle> i know :P
04:46 <luke-jr> ct|kyle: civ
04:46 <ct|kyle> luke-jr: Civ Sucks
04:46 <luke-jr> u
04:47 <ct|kyle> No
04:47 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: you suck
04:47 <ct|kyle> Lucifer: just is boring to me
04:47 <Lucifer> ct|kyle: that's because you suck
04:47 <ct|kyle> tronning is way more fun
04:48  * Lucifer has inadvertantly sprung one of his old mechanic jokes
04:48 <Lucifer> tech: I can't get these brake shoes off without the springs snapping into my fingers
04:48 <Lucifer> Lucifer: that's because you suck
04:49 <spidey> tronning is fun?
04:49 <spidey> after 4 years of pressing left and right, it's boring to me
04:50 <ct|kyle> still fun in secound year
04:50 <tramshed> still fun to me
04:50 <spidey> then one day you'll be like
04:50 <spidey> wtf?
04:51 <ct|kyle> almost my 3rd year
04:51 <spidey> you can only get so good at that game
04:52 <spidey> then it becomes overly boring
04:52 <tramshed> resentment!
04:53 <ct|kyle> different servers add a bit of a twist
04:53 <ct|kyle> then again i was in one for 2 matches 2nd match i won by far
04:54 <ct|kyle> first time i played the server
04:54 <spidey> ct|kyle: not really
04:54 <spidey> i adopted pretty well
04:54 <spidey> except on funky-retarded settings
04:54 <ct|kyle> like?
04:54 <spidey> like that cycle width test on bugfarm way back when :P
04:55 <ct|kyle> I never really played that bugfarm. I always would slide all around in there
04:56 <spidey> was fine for me
04:56 <spidey> and i generally had a 200ping
04:56 <ct|kyle> i don't know but for some reason Ct wild fort was more stable on my system than that
04:57 <spidey> seriously?
04:57 <spidey> i lagged pretty hardcore on cwf
04:57 <ct|kyle> yes
04:57 <ct|kyle> and that was 32 axes chico
04:58 <ct|kyle> I lag so much more in there now.
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05:29 <Lucifer> even though he's not here, I'll offer an explanation :)
05:29 <Lucifer> I think kyle lives in the UK, doesn't he?  So his connection to another UK server (cwf) is more stable than an overseas connection to germany (bugfarm)
05:30 <Lucifer> whereas US connections to that particular server were very stable (bugfarm), but US connections to the UK server (cwf) are unstable
05:37 <GodTodd> woot
05:37  * GodTodd loves his new vacuum :)
05:37 <GodTodd> #weather 75023
05:38 <armabot> GodTodd: The current temperature in Custer & Pleasant Valley, Plano, Texas is 61.2°F (10:34 PM CDT on October 15, 2007). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Rising).
05:49 <spidey> #weather 38256
05:49 <armabot> spidey: The current temperature in 5 mi NE of, Paris, Tennessee is 65.7°F (10:52 PM CDT on October 15, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Rising).
06:01 <GodTodd> you're definitely in BFE when your weather station is "5 mi NE of, Paris, Tennessee"
06:01 <GodTodd> ;)
06:13 <spidey> ?
06:17 <Lucifer> BFE = Butt-Fucking Egypt
06:18 <Lucifer> GodTodd: your roomba arrived, then?
06:18 <Lucifer> #weather 78717
06:18 <armabot> Lucifer: The current temperature in Brushy Creek, Austin, Texas is 67.6°F (11:17 PM CDT on October 15, 2007). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 60.8°F. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Rising).
06:18 <Lucifer> brrrr.  Gonna have to light up the fireplace soon
06:22 <GodTodd> Lucifer: yeah, friday
06:46 <spidey> *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̡̡ *̡͌l̡*
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06:55 <Lucifer> spidey: wtf?
06:57 <spidey> ?
06:57 <spidey> it's a house
06:58 <Durka> spidey: I added you to the roster ;)
06:59 <DrJoeTron> hurf durf
07:04 <Lucifer> joe hoe
07:05 <Lucifer> GodTodd: did you get one with the base station, or do you have to plug it in yourself?
07:05 <GodTodd> it's got a base station
07:06 <Lucifer> how does it work with the base station?  Does it go back to it on its own?
07:06 <GodTodd> yep
07:06 <GodTodd> it's rad :)
07:06 <Lucifer> that's cool.  We don't have a base station, so I'm pretty curious about it.  :)
07:07 <Lucifer> do you just hit a button to tell it to work, then?
07:07 <GodTodd> i hit max, it runs until it is low on battery, then it looks for the base station and goes home and charges
07:07 <GodTodd> yep
07:07 <Lucifer> I take it it's doing a good job :)
07:07 <Lucifer> how's it working with the two storeys?
07:07 <GodTodd> yeah...got to test it on mud tonight
07:08 <Lucifer> or do you just have it on the storey with the most shit and do the other one by hand still?  ;)
07:08 <GodTodd> well...we're working it in...we're clearing area by area to make it's job easier
07:08 <GodTodd> its*
07:08 <Lucifer> those fuckers are amazing.  I didn't think it would actually make an area very clean, and then it did and I was amazed :)
07:08 <GodTodd> right now he patrols the living room and kitchen
07:08 <GodTodd> same here
07:09 <GodTodd> jasper dragged mud in from the backyard...1 pass and it was gone
07:09 <Lucifer> it doesn't clean as deeply as a regular vacuum, but it can run many times and you don't do any work whereas a vacuum is work
07:09 <Lucifer> I want one that'll steam clean :)
07:10 <GodTodd> that's what i told karen...it may take a few passes to get the same job done but hitting a button isn't exactly work ;)
07:10 <GodTodd> yeah...karen and i were talking about that last night
07:10 <GodTodd> heh
07:10 <Lucifer> and you're guaranteed a pass every time you hit the button :)
07:10 <Lucifer> it's still worthwhile to vacuum yourself every now and then, I noticed, you just don't have to do it nearly as much
07:10 <Lucifer> 4-6 times a year compared to once a week; quite a difference
07:11 <GodTodd> right
07:11 <GodTodd> our house needs vacuumed 3-4 times a week
07:11 <Lucifer> well worth the money.  :)  They're down to ~$150 at frye's right now
07:11 <GodTodd> that's a lot of fucking work
07:11 <GodTodd> ours is a model or so up
07:11 <GodTodd> cuz it's designed for homes with pets
07:11 <Lucifer> no shit!  Man, I wish ours was still working well.  Running the robot used to be a good motivator for getting the kids to pick up :)
07:12 <GodTodd> hell...my 1 year old vacuumed today :)
07:12 <Lucifer> yeah.  :)  Ours is the lowest model they have, and it's old too
07:12 <Lucifer> I should look into spare parts, because we *can* fix it and run it without buying a new one
07:13 <Lucifer> my youngest tore the corner sweeper off, and it's nearly useless without it
07:13 <GodTodd> i was making dinner and suddenly heard Kryten running and conor was laughing and running from the base station :)
07:13 <Lucifer> haha
07:13 <Lucifer> not sure that's a bad thing, to be honest
07:13 <GodTodd> i think they sell spare side brushes on the irobot site
07:13 <GodTodd> they sell a lot of spare parts
07:13 <Lucifer> yeah, they do.  I need to look at it more thoroughly and make sure that's all it needs
07:14 <GodTodd> yep
07:14 <Lucifer> it is pretty worn, we've used it extensively
07:14 <Lucifer> hence my recommendation.  :)
07:14 <GodTodd> yeah...anytime my 1 year old wants to vacuum, i'll let him :)
07:14 <Lucifer> I want 3 roombas and a scooba
07:15 <GodTodd> it's still novel to us so i keep hitting the button periodically just for the hell of it
07:15 <Lucifer> I figure that'll ensure good coverage of the whole house
07:15 <GodTodd> ours came with a remote even
07:15 <Lucifer> well, to be honest, as much as the idea of having a robot vacuum sounds lazy, I found we were working harder to keep our house clean when it was in working condition
07:15 <Lucifer> simple logic, really.  You have to have a certain level of clean for the robot to be able to work
07:15 <GodTodd> yeah...i know i have been
07:16 <GodTodd> finally got all the fucking toys out of the living room on saturday
07:16 <GodTodd> heh
07:16 <Lucifer> and the cleaning you have to do is a lot easier and more interesting than vacuuming, so it's a good tradeoff I think
07:16 <Lucifer> heh
07:16 <GodTodd> yep
07:16 <Lucifer> we bought ours for $80 at best buy a couple of years ago, and it was an opened box missing the charger
07:16 <GodTodd> ah
07:17 <Lucifer> so it sat in the closet for a year before I finally convinced my wife to order the charger
07:17 <GodTodd> haha
07:17 <Lucifer> literally, the day after the charger arrived, we cleaned the whole house
07:17 <GodTodd> we've been debating the purchase for a couple of years
07:17 <Lucifer> after that, all I had to tell the kids was "make it clean enough for the robot to run" and they'd do it
07:17 <GodTodd> we finally decided to do it
07:18 <Lucifer> man, when we get ourselves set up with a little more income, I'm going to be all over a scooba
07:18 <Lucifer> I hate sweeping and mopping
07:18 <Lucifer> and that thing's supposed to wax, too?  Hell yeah!  ;)
07:18 <GodTodd> soon as we saw the one that was guaranteed to work on pet hair and read the reviews i got out the CC
07:18 <Lucifer> ours does ok with human hair, but I don't know if it could handle the load of pet hair
07:19 <Lucifer> it can't do our whole house on one charge anyway, and we don't have a base station for it
07:19 <GodTodd> yeah...we'll get a scooba, i'm aiming for within the year but we'll see ;)
07:19 <Lucifer> and my youngest tore open the room blocker thing that never seemed to work anyway
07:19 <GodTodd> the virtual wall?
07:19 <GodTodd> ours came with two and they are awesome
07:19 <Lucifer> well, you've gotta give this one time to make sure you can actually adapt your lifestyle to it, which means waiting for the novelty to wear off :)
07:19 <GodTodd> yep
07:19 <Lucifer> ours came with one and it never seemed to work
07:20 <GodTodd> that's weird...maybe they've improved them
07:20 <Lucifer> I think ours might have been bad from the get-go, actually.  It was an opened container, after all....
07:20 <GodTodd> truly
07:20 <Lucifer> but without being certain, it's hard to justify ordering a new one
07:20 <Lucifer> besides, we found other ways to block it easily
07:21 <Lucifer> want it to do a kid's room?  Just throw it in there and *shut* the door
07:21 <GodTodd> yep
07:21 <Lucifer> the problem we found with integrating it into our lifestyle had to do with the window of opportunity for the robot to run
07:22 <Lucifer> since it can't do the whole house on one charge, that means for it to do the whole house, we have to keep that window of opportunity open for two days
07:22 <Lucifer> sometimes that's just not possible :(
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07:22 <Lucifer> so we found that breaking the job down by room and making sure to run it at least twice a week worked fine
07:23 <MrBougo> ?
07:23 <Lucifer> man, don't come into the middle of a conversation and act confused
07:23 <GodTodd> see...ours charges itself so all we have to do is keep hitting the button
07:23 <Lucifer> takes time to charge, though
07:23 <GodTodd> i may eventually invest 60$ into the scheduler addon
07:23 <Lucifer> what I'm really interested in is the scheduler :)
07:24 <MrBougo> ok Luci, sorry :p
07:24 <Lucifer> but before I go and put money down on that, I'd like to see good, regular cleaning habits in my house
07:24 <Lucifer> and what we've got now is largely sporadic
07:24 <GodTodd> same
07:24 <Lucifer> I'm not asking for perfection, I just want to know that every night before bed the main living area will be clean
07:25 <Lucifer> can't run in the bedrooms while everyone is asleep, but can trigger it manually to clean those rooms for us
07:25 <GodTodd> yep
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07:26 <MrBougo> how is a scooba better than a roomba
07:26 <GodTodd> different applications...it's not a question of "better"
07:26 <Lucifer> scoobas do floors and roombas do carpets
07:27 <MrBougo> oh ok
07:27 <Lucifer> scoobas are supposed to detect when they're on carpet and not run, which is good because we have two tiled areas that are separated by a carpet
07:27 <GodTodd> that's like saying that kspread is better than kword
07:27 <MrBougo> :p
07:27 <GodTodd> tho...roomba is good at at least taking the sweeping part out of sweeping and mopping
07:28 <GodTodd> does a good job on our kitchen
07:28 <Lucifer> yes, it does good on ours, but there are issues with some of the things that might be on the floor that shouldn't be a problem for scooba
07:28 <GodTodd> right
07:29 <Lucifer> the other problem I had with it in the kitchen was that my wife would run it while i was cooking dinner, and cooking with a robot afoot is worse than dogs/cats/kids/etc.
07:29 <MrBougo> hehe
07:29 <MrBougo> because it's more expensive?
07:29 <MrBougo> oh shit
07:30 <MrBougo> i didnt see "kids"
07:30 <Lucifer> less predictable, and you can tell animals to get out :)
07:30 <GodTodd> yeah...i ran into that issue tonight when conor ran it
07:31 <GodTodd> it's fun watching it chase the dogs tho :)
07:31 <Lucifer> heh
07:31 <Lucifer> my kids try to play with it
07:31 <GodTodd> mine too
07:31 <Lucifer> for awhile they were treating it as a member of the family, so we'd find it in their bedrooms all dressed up and ready for bed
07:32 <GodTodd> haha
07:32 <GodTodd> they sell skins/costumes for them
07:32 <GodTodd> i want a robot mower too
07:32 <GodTodd> i want that bad
07:32 <Lucifer> me too
07:32 <Lucifer> I was considering wiring up an electric motor to my push-mower and writing a program to control it
07:33 <GodTodd> i want robots to do any menial task around the house that i can get them for :)
07:33 <GodTodd> the roomba packaging encouraged people to write custom routines :)
07:33 <Lucifer> oh yeah, a later series than mine even makes it easy to do so
07:33 <Lucifer> just plug into the interface
07:34 <Lucifer> the protocol is well-documented, even
07:34 <GodTodd> yeah...there's an s-video looking jack on ours
07:34 <MrBougo> wtf
07:34 <Lucifer> that's the one.  There's one for mine too, but it's an early series so that jack is a proprietary jack
07:34 <MrBougo> what's the purpose of this
07:34 <GodTodd> which?
07:34 <Lucifer> they changed it on later serieses, though, and all new ones for a couple of years should be able to
07:34 <GodTodd> the robot, or the reprogramming?
07:34 <MrBougo> s-video as s-video or as a simple cable
07:35 <Lucifer> I forget what you need to plug a compter into it, though
07:35 <MrBougo> not to send video, right?
07:35 <Lucifer> MrBougo: it looks more like a ps/2 plug
07:35 <MrBougo> oh ok
07:35 <Lucifer> but since ps/2 and s-video look the same.....  ;)
07:35 <GodTodd> yep
07:35 <MrBougo> it's any data cable
07:35 <GodTodd> well...not *any*...it's not usb
07:35 <GodTodd> :P
07:35 <Lucifer> nor is it rs-232
07:35 <MrBougo> couldv'e been parallel, usb or whatever
07:36 <Lucifer> I think it's a serial connection, but it's been awhile since i looked
07:36 <MrBougo> ok :p
07:36 <MrBougo> i'm out now
07:36 <MrBougo> school :/
07:36 <Lucifer> I found a circuit for hooking up a bluetooth receiver to mine
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07:36 <GodTodd> hell...i'm going into robotics so i figure it'll be good to learn with :)
07:36 <Lucifer> definitely
07:36 <Lucifer> I had similar reasoning for screwing with mine, but never managed to convince my wife it was worth it
07:37 <Lucifer> and since I didn't write the simulator for test programs, I didn't get far enough to show her it was worth it
07:37 <GodTodd> heh
07:37 <Lucifer> what I want is a simple world simulator that runs a robot program and connects to its stdin/stdout pipes
07:37 <Lucifer> then a library that provides an api for communicating to the world simulator, and a library that uses the same api to communicate with the roomba
07:38 <Lucifer> use that library and write for the simulator, then switch it to use the roomba library to run the physical robot :)
07:38 <GodTodd> :)
07:39 <Lucifer> you know, the simulator shouldn't be too hard to write now that I've fooled with pyqt
07:39 <Lucifer> use QGraphicsView to visualize it, QProcess to run the robots...
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07:42 <Lucifer> well, I've got to write this paper for government, it's due tomorrow
07:42 <GodTodd> so write it :P
07:42 <GodTodd> how many pages?
07:42 <Lucifer> not given
07:43 <GodTodd> hrmm
07:43 <Lucifer> standards are pretty lax, the purpose of the assignment is mostly to learn how to write a persuasive essay for some reason
07:43 <GodTodd> so, content dictates length?
07:43 <Lucifer> yep
07:43 <GodTodd> ah ok
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07:58 <GodTodd> Lucifer: http://www.irobot.com/sp.cfm?pageid=289 <----- i see nothing about a steam cleaning one...maybe we should invent it :)
08:19 <Durka> #m Lucifer what do we do if someone played in 2 different matches last weekend...suspend them for one week?
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10:42 <manuel_> Ping?
10:42 <manuel_> Hmm, odd, IRC is working, but HTTP isn't.
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10:46 <spidey> ?
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11:08 <tramshed> interesting error right there
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13:12 <DrJoeTron> http://www.fsckin.com/2007/10/15/how-to-run-team-fortress-2-half-life-2-hl2-ep-12-in-ubuntu-using-wine/ heh, im that much closer to switching to linux
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13:18 <akira__> hey joe!
13:18 <akira__> what happened to shrunk?
13:18 <akira__> no one willing to serve it?
13:22 <DrJoeTron> bwah?
13:22 <DrJoeTron> #serverinfo Shrunk
13:22 <armabot> DrJoeTron: Shrunkland in 2.8.2: No online players.
13:22 <DrJoeTron> looks there to me
13:22 <DrJoeTron> akira__
13:22 <akira__> oh
13:22 <akira__> didnt look anymore
13:22 <akira__> last times i were online it was down
13:22 <akira__> was*
13:23 <akira__> and yes.. linux is superior :)
13:23 <akira__> although i don't use it
13:24 <DrJoeTron> i don't either
13:24 <DrJoeTron> i havent had a reason untill now
13:24 <DrJoeTron> i had reasons NOT to use it
13:24 <akira__> o
13:25 <DrJoeTron> which were all of my programs i need use windows
13:25 <DrJoeTron> but if wine has come this far
13:25 <DrJoeTron> be' crazy not to try it now
13:43 <DrJoeTron> but yeah
13:43 <DrJoeTron> looks like I might be switching to ubuntu
13:55 <tramshed> DrJoeTron, push come to shove you can always run a virtual windows
13:56 <DrJoeTron> if it can run Direct X9 i'll gladly
13:56 <tramshed> ah well
13:57 <tramshed> virtualization and hardware acceleration dont exactly go hand in hand, heh
13:57 <tramshed> you would probably want cedega or something similar for that
13:58 <tramshed> what windows software you trying to run exactly?
13:58 <DrJoeTron> haha i just realized you showed up right after i posted a link
13:58 <tramshed> lol
13:59 <DrJoeTron> I'm trying to run steam/source engine, Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator.
13:59 <DrJoeTron> and maybe more DX9 games
13:59 <DrJoeTron> http://www.fsckin.com/2007/10/15/how-to-run-team-fortress-2-half-life-2-hl2-ep-12-in-ubuntu-using-wine/ This *really* fucking caught my eye though
13:59 <tramshed> photoshop doesnt use dx iirc, so that can emulate fine
14:00 <tramshed> I just dual boot myself for those games that wont work
14:00 <tramshed> only time im in windows is if im playing loki or moonbase
14:04 <DrJoeTron> heh
14:04 <DrJoeTron> yeah but see i'd rather completely switch
14:04 <DrJoeTron> because dual booting to me is going to be completely useless
14:04 <tramshed> then use gimp
14:05 <DrJoeTron> gimp won't get me far in my major
14:05 <tramshed> and emulate the games you can, and dont play the ones you cant
14:05 <DrJoeTron> i need adobe programs for class
14:05 <tramshed> ah, shitty
14:05 <tramshed> I run linux pretty much exclusively
14:05 <DrJoeTron> if i can't run 95% of my stuff i'm going to go back to windows
14:05 <tramshed> well, I will say this much
14:06 <tramshed> expecting 95% of your windows programs to work on linux is a bit much, though its likely they will
14:06 <spidey> you have to give stuff up
14:06 <DrJoeTron> yeah i looked into it and most of the stuff im asking for as good alternatives or works just about great
14:06 <spidey> but in the long run it's better
14:06 <tramshed> I can see where you are coming from though, when Im in windows it pisses me off because it doesnt have any of my software
14:07 <DrJoeTron> yeah which is exactly why i haven't switched to linux, cause I've had no reason to do so
14:07 <tramshed> there is a TON of great software for linux
14:07 <DrJoeTron> "DO IT CUZ TO FUCK M$ BU$$$$$hhhh"
14:07 <tramshed> just gotta dig it up
14:07 <spidey> DrJoeTron: not having to format every month is a reason
14:07 <spidey> i know i liked not having to
14:07 <DrJoeTron> i don't have to do that
14:07 <DrJoeTron> thats fucking crazy
14:07 <tramshed> I just use it because, for what I do, its a lot better platform to be using
14:08 <DrJoeTron> you formated once a month?
14:08 <tramshed> Ive seen windows get fucked up in a hurry, Ill say that much
14:08 <spidey> somertimes
14:08 <spidey> -r
14:08 <DrJoeTron> i've been using windows for a bit
14:08 <tramshed> I used to use it exclusively years ago
14:08 <DrJoeTron> this is probably the best install i've had
14:08 <tramshed> then I dabbled in linux
14:08 <DrJoeTron> i haven't crashed once
14:09 <tramshed> then finally I just switched
14:09 <DrJoeTron> my main requirements for me to switch
14:09 <tramshed> my first distro was slackware 7
14:09 <DrJoeTron> Adobe Programs have to work.
14:09 <spidey> they will
14:09 <DrJoeTron> Steam and the Source Engine have to work.
14:09 <spidey> also will
14:09 <DrJoeTron> im not saying they won't
14:09 <spidey> ;p
14:10 <tramshed> I dont see why adobe wouldnt, even if you just have to run a virtual machine
14:10 <tramshed> I should snag a copy and test it
14:10 <DrJoeTron> Google talk(voice over included)
14:10 <spidey> don't you have teamspeak for that? :P
14:10 <DrJoeTron> i can get alternatives to ts like you said
14:10 <tramshed> ts works on linux
14:10 <spidey> indeed
14:10 <DrJoeTron> yeah, but not google talk
14:11 <spidey> unless ubuntu doesn't like your sound card :(
14:11 <DrJoeTron> which i know is just jabber
14:11 <DrJoeTron> but the voice over was superb
14:11 <tramshed> et-libs/libjingle [ Masked ]
14:11 <tramshed>       Latest version available: 0.3.11
14:11 <tramshed>       Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
14:11 <tramshed>       Size of downloaded files: [no/bad digest]
14:11 <tramshed>       Homepage:    http://tapioca-voip.sourceforge.net/
14:11 <tramshed>       Description: Google's jabber voice extension library modified by Tapioca
14:11 <DrJoeTron> didnt luke-jr try it and it didnt work
14:11 <tramshed> Ive never tried it
14:11 <spidey> luke-jr's picky
14:11 <tramshed> if I had a mic id give it a shot
14:12 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/eclipsed/race/ecdmazed-1.aamap.xml: Resource by eclipsed
14:12 <DrJoeTron> those are the main things I HAVE to have work
14:12 <tramshed> the google thing might be tricky, but as he said, there are alternatives
14:13 <tramshed> im gonna see if I cant make it work
14:13 <DrJoeTron> haha cool thanks
14:13 <tramshed> I do have a mic, it just sucks and I have to yell into it
14:13 <spidey> and i'm gonna burn some slackware cd's
14:13 <tramshed> im a gentoo whore
14:13 <DrJoeTron> im gonna be running ubuntu 7.04
14:13 <spidey> <debian whore
14:14 <tramshed> one thing I will say about debian, thier packages are missing functionality sometimes
14:14 <tramshed> a friend of mine has been using it and has had to recompile a few things
14:14 <spidey> i love aptitude
14:14 <DrJoeTron> oh god... i'm wondering if i should try this
14:14 <tramshed> to add certain things which the debian packages dont have
14:15 <spidey> like?
14:15 <DrJoeTron> ah FUCK IT thats just nuts... nevermind im thinking out loud
14:15 <tramshed> DrJoeTron, lemme grab a photoshop iso from somewhere
14:15 <spidey> everything's worked for me
14:15 <tramshed> spidey, had some issues with mencoder
14:15 <tramshed> few other things I dont remember offhand
14:15 <tramshed> iirc it didnt have xvid compiled into it
14:15 <spidey> really
14:15 <DrJoeTron> i was gonna transfer my backup drive
14:15 <spidey> if there's a problem with a debian package
14:15 <DrJoeTron> to my primary drive
14:15 <spidey> it's the indevidual package manager's fault
14:15 <DrJoeTron> and install ubuntu on the slave and just try it out
14:16 <tramshed> the package worked, it just didnt have all the functionality as expected
14:16 <spidey> ah
14:16 <tramshed> hrm
14:16 <tramshed> what the IS google talk btw
14:16 <tramshed> I installed the lib and have no idea what program is supposed to use it, hehe
14:16 <DrJoeTron> google's gmail instant messager
14:16 <DrJoeTron> it uses jabber
14:16 <DrJoeTron> as well as voice over
14:16 <DrJoeTron> rediculous sound quality
14:17 <DrJoeTron> better than skypes
14:17 <tramshed> im gonna try gmail-jabber, dunno if it uses that, but Ill see
14:17 <tramshed> err
14:17 <tramshed> gnome-jabber
14:17 <DrJoeTron> talk.google.com
14:18 <armabot> armagetronad:  * resources/eclipsed/maze/ecdmazed-1.0.1.aamap.xml: Resource by eclipsed
14:18 <DrJoeTron> the server to connect to
14:19 <tramshed> hmm
14:19 <tramshed> according to this pidgin should be able to do it
14:21 <DrJoeTron> yeah it will work
14:21 <spidey> hm
14:21 <DrJoeTron> but the voice over is critical since thats used on a daily basis
14:21 <spidey> changed my mind
14:21 <spidey> i'ma go with freebsd this time
14:22 <tramshed> makin an account
14:23 <DrJoeTron> heh i appreciate you taking the time to do this, you don't really have to
14:23 <tramshed> hmm
14:23 <tramshed> they have a web client
14:23 <tramshed> which seems to work
14:23 <DrJoeTron> yeah i know
14:23 <tramshed> dunno if it can do voice though
14:23 <DrJoeTron> without voice over
14:24 <DrJoeTron> the only thing that supports it is the downloaded client
14:24 <DrJoeTron> the standalone*
14:24 <spidey> DrJoeTron: you should go with freebsd!
14:24 <DrJoeTron> hey hey hey
14:25 <DrJoeTron> lets walk before we run pal
14:25 <spidey> lol ;p
14:25 <DrJoeTron> im already feeling pretty uneasy doing this
14:25  * spidey has never used freebsd so he doesn't know what to expect
14:25 <DrJoeTron> I AM NOT TAKING THAT PLUNGE WITH YOU
14:25 <spidey> lol
14:26 <tramshed> hmm, I cant get pidgin to log in, but I think im doing something wrong
14:26 <tramshed> Ive got other stuff I gotta do at the moment, Ill screw with it when I get home
14:26 <DrJoeTron> haha cool thanks
14:26 <DrJoeTron> i dont know when im going to do this
14:26 <DrJoeTron> i hope very soon while the spark is there to do so
14:27 <tramshed> however, on a side note, Im almost positive that program would virtualize fine
14:27 <tramshed> and if you use seamless mode itll just be like another window on your desktop
14:27 <DrJoeTron> whats a good program to use
14:27 <DrJoeTron> for vmware
14:27 <tramshed> for virtualization?
14:27 <tramshed> I like virtualbox
14:27 <DrJoeTron> i guess
14:28 <DrJoeTron> something for someone like me
14:28 <tramshed> virtual box is easy enough
14:28 <DrJoeTron> ok
14:28 <DrJoeTron> yeah because im completely inept outside of OS X and Windows
14:28 <tramshed> you start it, make a new cirtual machine, pop in your isntall cd, start the machine
14:28 <tramshed> itll boot off the cd and itll be just like you are installing xp
14:28 <tramshed> because thats what you are doing, heh
14:28 <tramshed> its all graphical
14:28 <DrJoeTron> hah cool
14:29 <DrJoeTron> so long as i don't have to compile drivers
14:29 <tramshed> when I do I just make one of the sides of my cube run xp
14:29 <tramshed> it has a driver it compiles for you
14:29 <tramshed> you just have to load it, which is easy
14:29 <DrJoeTron> thank fucking goood
14:29 <tramshed> modprobe vboxdrv
14:29 <tramshed> and you can add the driver to autoload at boot, so you dont even have to do that
14:29 <spidey> DrJoeTron: compiling isn't as hard as it sounds
14:30 <DrJoeTron> god i feel like a 3rd grader again
14:30 <spidey> download the dependencies
14:30 <spidey> make
14:30 <spidey> make install
14:30 <spidey> download the software
14:30 <spidey> make
14:30 <spidey> well
14:30 <spidey> ./configure
14:30 <spidey> make && make install
14:30 <DrJoeTron> cause this is all so foreign to me
14:30 <tramshed> ./configure && make && make install
14:30 <tramshed> in a one liner.
14:30 <spidey> ya
14:34 <spidey> #night
14:34 <armabot> Good night spidey!
14:46 <DrJoeTron> how is win4lin
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16:15 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: Adobe stuff is complete trash on par with Microsoft; if you "need" it for class, those classes are a waste of time and money
16:15 <DrJoeTron> still need it for class you stupid fuck
16:15 <luke-jr> Adobe doesn't know how to write code for crap
16:16 <DrJoeTron> yeah i should drop the classes because some shit head on irc said i should
16:16 <DrJoeTron> good call :D
16:16 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: for Jingle support, I've tried the highly experimental support for Kopete and Psi, and also Asterisk 1.4
16:17 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: I don't recall if Kopete's worked, but Psi's and Asterisk's sure didn't
16:17 <DrJoeTron> what are those
16:18 <luke-jr> Kopete is a multiprotocol IM client
16:18 <luke-jr> Psi is a standards-only IM client that rocks
16:18 <luke-jr> Asterisk is a phone PBX
16:18 <DrJoeTron> ah ok
16:18 <DrJoeTron> i might check those out
16:18 <luke-jr> and yes, you should drop any classes that require Adobe or Microsoft because the teachers clearly are idiots
16:18 <DrJoeTron> i had a kernel problem with livecd
16:19 <luke-jr> let me guess: *buntu
16:19 <DrJoeTron> most graphic design firms use Adobe or Quark Xpress
16:19 <MrBougo> dont *buntu and *ntoo share the same kernel?
16:19 <MrBougo> luke-jr: dont be an opensource extremist
16:19 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: only if they're run by idiots
16:20 <DrJoeTron> i don't think theres many out there that use fucking gimp
16:20 <luke-jr> MrBougo: even ignoring the proprietary nature, their code SUCKS
16:20 <MrBougo> the world will never be free
16:20 <MrBougo> prolly
16:20 <MrBougo> but it works
16:20 <luke-jr> Adobe stuff crashes at least as often as Microsoft stuff
16:20 <luke-jr> slow, bloated, etc
16:20 <MrBougo> it shouldnt
16:20 <MrBougo> it shouldnt work, but there was some miracle
16:20 <luke-jr> MrBougo: I don't know what *buntu does to their kernel, but it has terrible hardware support
16:20 <MrBougo> :(
16:20 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: btw, I didn't say to use gimp
16:20 <DrJoeTron> i don't think i've EVER had adobe programs crash on me once
16:21 <DrJoeTron> cept when i was on OSX
16:21 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: you clearly haven't used them enough :þ
16:21 <DrJoeTron> not my fault you don't know how to use programs luke-jr  :V
16:21 <luke-jr> try Premiere
16:21 <DrJoeTron> the hell version did you use that crashed so much
16:21 <MrBougo> hehe
16:21 <DrJoeTron> 3?
16:21 <MrBougo> he ran it on WINE
16:21 <MrBougo> :p
16:22 <luke-jr> I don't remember what version
16:22 <DrJoeTron> oh well shit
16:22 <luke-jr> MrBougo: Win2k, actually
16:22 <DrJoeTron> i've been using photoshop cs since sophomore year of high school and I've never had it crash on me
16:23 <MrBougo> i've had CS2 crash
16:23 <luke-jr> KolourPaint + Krita pwn u
16:23 <DrJoeTron> yeah ok
16:23 <MrBougo> wanted to try how crappy that filter looked
16:23 <MrBougo> like*
16:23 <MrBougo> and it crashed
16:23 <MrBougo> yipee
16:23 <DrJoeTron> i never had cs2 crash either
16:23 <DrJoeTron> i've had illustrator crash
16:23 <DrJoeTron> i DONT like cs3
16:24 <DrJoeTron> mainly because adobe swallowed up macromedia and got rid of Imageready
16:24 <luke-jr> LOL
16:24 <DrJoeTron> FUCK fireworks >:(
16:24 <luke-jr> you think they're going to maintain an old version?
16:24 <DrJoeTron> of what
16:24 <luke-jr> CS2 < CS3
16:24 <DrJoeTron> CS > CS2
16:25 <MrBougo> in price, prolly
16:25 <luke-jr> …
16:25 <DrJoeTron> its true
16:25 <MrBougo> now what about CS compared to CS3
16:25 <DrJoeTron> in terms of compatibility wise
16:25 <luke-jr> wtf is "CS"
16:25 <MrBougo> CS1
16:25 <MrBougo> if you prefer
16:25 <DrJoeTron> CS1 dick
16:25 <luke-jr> I'm talking about version #
16:25 <DrJoeTron> 8.0
16:25 <luke-jr> 1 < 2 < 3
16:25 <luke-jr> …
16:25 <MrBougo> lol
16:26 <DrJoeTron> its essentially 7.0 with better font support
16:26 <DrJoeTron> and more compatibility
16:26 <MrBougo> use MS Paint
16:26 <MrBougo> it doesnt bug
16:26 <luke-jr> that is one thing I will never understand
16:26 <luke-jr> they're fscking letters
16:26 <DrJoeTron> CS?
16:26 <luke-jr> fonts
16:26 <DrJoeTron> creative suite?
16:26 <DrJoeTron> oh
16:26 <MrBougo> lol
16:27 <DrJoeTron> MrBougo i use MS Paint too
16:27 <MrBougo> it pwns ass
16:27 <luke-jr> KolourPaint > MS Paint
16:27 <DrJoeTron> please
16:27 <MrBougo> it edits pixels better than any program
16:27 <DrJoeTron> you know its funny
16:27 <DrJoeTron> vista comes out
16:27 <DrJoeTron> you'd think they'd upgrade fucking ms paint
16:27 <luke-jr> KolourPaint supports transparency!
16:27 <MrBougo> luke-jr: MS piant too!
16:27 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr obviously you suck at ms paint
16:27 <MrBougo> in its own way!
16:27 <luke-jr> MS Paint I used didn't
16:27 <DrJoeTron> because you can do transparency in ms paint too
16:28 <MrBougo> yea, but it looks black
16:28 <MrBougo> lawl
16:28 <MrBougo> can you use alpha?
16:28 <DrJoeTron> nah i got it to turn decient
16:28 <MrBougo> i know you can open a png then save it and it stays transparent
16:28 <DrJoeTron> thats different
16:28 <luke-jr> wtf
16:28 <DrJoeTron> photoshop does make everything 10x faster
16:28 <luke-jr> MS Paint I used only did BMP and PCX
16:28 <MrBougo> hehe
16:29 <MrBougo> that was the ms paint on 3.1
16:29 <luke-jr> no
16:29 <MrBougo> now ms paint handles jpeg
16:29 <luke-jr> 98 at least
16:29 <luke-jr> um
16:29 <MrBougo> it has the best jpeg encoder ever
16:29  * MrBougo is going ironic
16:29 <DrJoeTron> oh fuck you MrBougo
16:29 <luke-jr> jpeg doesn't HAVE pixels
16:29 <MrBougo> DrJoeTron: :p
16:29 <DrJoeTron> jpegs are monsters
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16:29 <DrJoeTron> i hate them
16:29 <MrBougo> FEAR THEM
16:29 <DrJoeTron> what better way to ruin a picture
16:30 <MrBougo> MS PAINT IS ANTI JPEG
16:30 <DrJoeTron> CALL THE ARCHAEOLOGISTS WE'VE GOT SOME ARTIFACTS HAR HAR HAR
16:30 <MrBougo> it outputs crap
16:30 <MrBougo> hehe DrJoeTron
16:30 <MrBougo> what format do you use
16:31 <luke-jr> KolourPaint supports JPEG2000!
16:31 <DrJoeTron> usually png, gif, or tiff,
16:31 <luke-jr> GIF sucks
16:31 <DrJoeTron> gif IS terrible
16:31 <DrJoeTron> unless im not going outside of 256 colors
16:31 <MrBougo> 2-bit gif is awesome
16:31 <DrJoeTron> photoshop does a great job with dithering
16:31 <MrBougo> heh, photoshop makes crazy gif's
16:31 <DrJoeTron> it really does
16:32 <luke-jr> KolourPaint has some crazy RGB cube thing
16:32 <MrBougo> lol
16:32 <DrJoeTron> CONVERT TO CMYK
16:32 <luke-jr> mplayer makes awesome GIFs
16:32 <MrBougo> ack
16:32 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: KolourPaint doesn't do CMYK
16:32 <DrJoeTron> haha
16:32 <luke-jr> you need to use Krita for that
16:32 <DrJoeTron> what a peice of shit
16:32 <MrBougo> CONVERT TO HEX
16:32 <luke-jr> …
16:33 <MrBougo> luke-jr: you're so #8000FF
16:33 <luke-jr> MrBougo: retard
16:33 <DrJoeTron> MrBougo> luke-jr: you're so retarded
16:33 <DrJoeTron> is whaat i aread
16:33 <MrBougo> :p
16:33 <DrJoeTron> fucking keyboard
16:33 <MrBougo> hehe
16:34 <luke-jr> actually, Photoshop made you type wrong
16:34 <luke-jr> :D
16:34 <MrBougo> blame adobe
16:34 <DrJoeTron> BU$$$$H
16:34 <DrJoeTron> i  mean
16:34 <MrBougo> adobe got me one day
16:34 <MrBougo> #quote get 46
16:34 <DrJoeTron> M$$$$$$$$$$$$
16:34 <armabot> MrBougo: Error: There is no Quote with id #46 in my database for #armagetron.
16:34 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: do you have an X11 server?
16:34 <MrBougo> #quote get 48
16:34 <armabot> MrBougo: Quote #48: "i'm a woindwos user --MrBougo" (added by Lucifer_arma at 09:12 AM, June 24, 2007)
16:34 <MrBougo> see what adobe did to me
16:34 <DrJoeTron> dont think so
16:34 <DrJoeTron> don't know what that is
16:35 <luke-jr> lame
16:35 <luke-jr> it's what programs connect to to draw windows
16:36 <luke-jr> so I could tell KolourPaint to connect to your X11 server and you could play with it
16:36 <DrJoeTron> ah ok
16:36 <DrJoeTron> but thats not gonna make go drop my classes luke-jr
16:36 <luke-jr> Krita too!
16:36 <DrJoeTron> but thats not gonna make go drop my classes luke-jr
16:36 <DrJoeTron> me
16:36 <DrJoeTron> me
16:37 <luke-jr> yes it is
16:37 <DrJoeTron> yeah ok
16:37 <DrJoeTron> are you going to give me college credits?
16:37 <luke-jr> sure
16:37 <DrJoeTron> o cool
16:37 <DrJoeTron> gimmie
16:38 <luke-jr> sure
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16:38 <luke-jr> what do you want it to say
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16:38 <DrJoeTron> want what to say
16:38 <MrBougo> windows xp's "add font" form looks retarded
16:39 <DrJoeTron> uh
16:39 <luke-jr> the worthless piece of paper
16:39 <DrJoeTron> what paper
16:39 <DrJoeTron> i just dragged and dropped my fonts into the fonts folder
16:39 <DrJoeTron> and it automatically installed them
16:42 <luke-jr> [09:40:15] <DrJoeTron> are you going to give me college credits?
16:42 <MrBougo> i know DrJoeTron :p
16:42 <DrJoeTron> yeah thats not paper
16:44 <MrBougo> does software also fall in the public domai,n
16:44 <MrBougo> domain*
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16:47 <luke-jr> nothing does anymore
16:48 <luke-jr> DrJoeTron: it's worthless
16:48 <DrJoeTron> luke-jr did you go to college
16:48 <luke-jr> yes
16:50 <MrBougo> everything's worthless
16:54 <DrJoeTron> did you get one of dem durgree
16:54 <DrJoeTron> s
16:54 <luke-jr> no, I figured out what a waste it was first
16:55 <luke-jr> a degree is a piece of paper saying you jumped through bs hoops, nothing more
16:58 <DrJoeTron> haha so what do you for a living now
17:01 <DrJoeTron> other than stealing money from 15 year olds on armagetron for servers
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17:02 <DrJoeTron> ahaha answers my question :V
17:03 <luke-jr> I'm in no mood for such stupid accusations
17:03 <DrJoeTron> lmbo
17:16 <DrJoeTron> welp I may just try this after akk
17:16 <DrJoeTron> all*
17:16 <DrJoeTron> bbl
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17:18 <epsy> #tea
17:18 <armabot> epsy: Fortress Café: No online players.
17:20 <GodTodd> [2007-10-16 10:03] <luke-jr> I'm in no mood for such stupid accusations <---- luke-jr's way of saying "i don't know what to say to make myself look superior" :D
17:24 <GodTodd> "college is a worthless waste of time" (paraphrasing)....i wanna see luke-jr agree to exploratory surgery with a doctor that didn't go to college
17:25 <luke-jr> GodTodd: fine, maybe *some* areas it might be necessary
17:25 <luke-jr> but certainly not in IT
17:26 <MrBougo> haha GodTodd
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17:28 <GodTodd> woah....i got luke-jr to admit a senseless generalization might be incorrect?
17:29 <GodTodd> that just made my day
17:29 <GodTodd> :)
17:29 <GodTodd> i contend, however, there are quite a few areas it is necessary
17:30 <noob7> like arts? /me chuckles
17:30 <GodTodd> and, agreed, in IT it is not *necessary* unless you want to work for a company that requires it
17:31 <GodTodd> and it's statistically proven that the average college graduate makes quite a bit more than the average high school graduate at the same ages
17:32 <luke-jr> age is also irrelevant
17:32 <luke-jr> compare based on experience
17:32 <luke-jr> and skills
17:32 <GodTodd> it's relevant for the comparison since it's easy for a 40 year old to make more than an 18 year old
17:32 <GodTodd> idiot
17:32 <GodTodd> :)
17:33 <luke-jr> arts is an area where college would most likely DEGRADE a person imo
17:33 <GodTodd> nope
17:33 <GodTodd> college arts is about exploration
17:33 <luke-jr> only if that 40 yr old is more skilled or has more experience
17:34 <GodTodd> sure...a 40 year old is totally unlikely to have more experience than an 18 year old
17:34 <luke-jr> not all do
17:34 <GodTodd> 22 years more
17:35 <luke-jr> 22 years more yes
17:35 <GodTodd> you didn't specify *what* experience idiot
17:35 <GodTodd> :)
17:35 <luke-jr> but that 22 years might be irrelevant
17:36 <GodTodd> the days where a computer geek can just walk in and dictate salary because they've been dicking around half their lives are gone for the most part
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18:04 <metos> #lastseen shell
18:05 <armabot> metos: timed out
18:05 <metos> #serverinfo AoC
18:05 <armabot> metos: AoC European CAPTURE THE FLAG server: No online players.
18:15 <epsy>  salut metos
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18:15 <MrBougo> hm
18:15 <MrBougo> interesting
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21:46 <genpfault> is there any way to cap the framerate and (hopefully) use less CPU?
21:49 <epsy> what is your fps ?
21:51 <genpfault> gimme a sec
21:52 <genpfault> oops, vsync *was* working
21:52 <genpfault> I'm a dumbass, disregard
21:52 <genpfault> sorry
21:52 <epsy> yw :PP
21:53 <genpfault> weird, glFinish() pegs my CPU even with force vsync
21:53 <genpfault> Fastest and Flush work as expected though
21:54 <genpfault> ah well, as long as my lappy CPU isn't pushing 70C I'm happy :)
21:55 <epsy> heh
21:56 <genpfault> yep, 5-15% CPU usage now, FPS is right around refresh (~85Hz)
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23:44 <epsy> http://tronicdonkeys.free.fr/index.php?c=5
23:45 <epsy> the colors sux :/
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